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IRC Log for 2014-03-18

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[0:00] <Tacker> but raspbian still shows a black screen
[0:00] <Tacker> replace boots with 'shows an output'
[0:02] <shiftplusone> what's the output of tvservice -s ?
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[0:03] <Tacker> hmm i cant connect through ssh on raspbmc. maybe I habe to activate it somewhere
[0:06] <shiftplusone> not in raspbmc, but in raspbian
[0:06] <shiftplusone> the output of that command in raspbmc wouldn't be anything useful for figuring out what's going wrong with raspbian
[0:06] <Tacker> oh ok yeah makes sense
[0:06] <Tacker> ^^
[0:08] <DoctorD90> guys? raspberry has a bios with boot options?
[0:08] <shiftplusone> DoctorD90, not exactly
[0:09] <DoctorD90> what do you mean? :)
[0:09] <shiftplusone> I mean 'no' in the direct sense, but 'maybe' in the sense that you can get a menu with some boot options if you want it.
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[0:10] <DoctorD90> so i havent to type canc of F10 or esc...
[0:11] <shiftplusone> Nuh, that's x86 stuff.
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[0:11] <DoctorD90> yep xP for this i was asking...
[0:11] <Tacker> state 0x120016 dvi cea(4) rgb lim 16:9 1280x720 @ 60hz progressive
[0:11] <DoctorD90> what do you mean with msybe?
[0:12] <shiftplusone> Tacker, so it is outputting on HDMI and the only way that can happen is with your config.txt
[0:13] <shiftplusone> DoctorD90, the pi is fairly dumb in that sense. It just loads whatever is on the sd card. So you can put a bootloader on the card which will allow you to display the sort of menu you're talking about.
[0:13] <Tacker> earlier on you talked about three config files
[0:13] <DoctorD90> ah
[0:13] <shiftplusone> The official version of such a thing is 'NOOBS', but there is 'BerryBoot' as well, and for the more advanced, uboot.
[0:13] <DoctorD90> grub or similar great
[0:13] <Tacker> could it be the third file and if so where is it stored
[0:13] <Tacker> ??
[0:14] <DoctorD90> but so i can easly run dd (linux) to install img on sd
[0:14] <shiftplusone> Tacker, on the fat32 partitions of the card.
[0:15] <DoctorD90> or set grub or.other....ah great
[0:15] <shiftplusone> DoctorD90, not grub exactly, but that sort of thing.
[0:15] <DoctorD90> but rpi read only from sd? i cant use usb?
[0:15] <Tacker> and where would that be ?
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[0:15] <shiftplusone> DoctorD90, the pi can read usb fine, it just can't boot directly off it. You can install an OS to USB and just use the sd card for booting.
[0:16] <DoctorD90> why not grub? (reply before Tacker , i will wait ^^)
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[0:16] <Tacker> hehe :)
[0:16] <shiftplusone> Tacker, My psychic powers don't extend that far.
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[0:17] <Tacker> you say on the partitions. how can i acces them from within raspbian
[0:17] <Tacker> ??
[0:17] <shiftplusone> DoctorD90, Grub is designed for x86 computers. There may be some ARM ports, but I haven't seen anything like that used on a pi.
[0:18] <shiftplusone> Tacker, you shouldn't have to. The specific file you're after is on /boot. But, if you want to check anyway, you would check the partition table using something like cfdisk or gparted, then mount the relevant partition using the 'mount' command.
[0:18] <DoctorD90> ah ok understand issue
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[0:19] <shiftplusone> Tacker, note that NOOBS adds text to the bottom of the config file. So if you have a line commented out at the top or conflicting with what's at the bottom, it won't have any affect, so make sure you check the whole file.
[0:19] <Tacker> oh ok. hmm but the file i edited and commented the hdmi output line is the exact file. But raspbmc is working right now, so i got that going on for me.
[0:19] <Tacker> i'll try to fix this tomorrow. thanks a lot. i learned something today ;)
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[0:19] <shiftplusone> good luck
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[0:33] <DoctorD90> thx shiftplusone
[0:33] <DoctorD90> last one.before.go to bed
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[0:35] <DoctorD90> if i connect rpi to hdmi it auto set hdmi?
[0:35] <shiftplusone> what do you mean by auto set?
[0:36] <Laseryoda> If I have a wall outlet adapter which outputs 5V DC, 2.1A, will a USB 2.0 chord suffice to power the RPI?
[0:36] <shiftplusone> Laseryoda, yup.
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[0:38] <Laseryoda> "A device may draw a maximum of 5 unit loads (500 mA) from a port in USB 2.0; 6 (900 mA) in USB 3.0."
[0:38] <Laseryoda> on wikipedia
[0:38] <Laseryoda> If I have a model b, won't I need a USB 3.0 chord?
[0:38] <DoctorD90> shiftplusone: i mean, once i get rpi, can i connect to rca or.hdmi, and it auto choice the rigth output?
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[0:39] <shiftplusone> Laseryoda, If you can find a usb cable which can't handle the current drawn by a pi, I'll send you $10.
[0:40] <shiftplusone> DoctorD90, usually, yes. NOOBS does something silly by forcing HDMI, but you can change that.
[0:40] <VoidFox> DoctorD90: depends on your configuration, but it should on default settings
[0:40] <Laseryoda> shiftplusone: I really don't know anything about electrics. :D
[0:40] <phire> shiftplusone: hmm, that sounds like a challenge
[0:41] <shiftplusone> phire, to AliExpress! =D
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[0:41] <VoidFox> shiftplusone: i win that.. got one with only 3 pins left lol
[0:42] <Laseryoda> "Typically, the model B uses between 700-1000mA", what's the point if USB 2.0 only supports 500mA?
[0:42] <shiftplusone> heh
[0:42] <shiftplusone> Laseryoda, those specs are for devices, not for the cables.
[0:42] <DoctorD90> Laseryoda: usb is just a cable. 1.0 1.1 2.0 3.0. it is just for transfering data, not for electric. find a good usb cable, and use it;
[0:43] <shiftplusone> note that there are many terrible usb cables which won't work on the pi.
[0:43] <shiftplusone> some have a high resistance, so you lose half a volt or even more in the cable alone.
[0:43] <Laseryoda> Will https://www.komplett.se/hama-universalladdare/618824 work?
[0:43] <DoctorD90> Voltage must be the same as required from rpi (5V) but amper can be what you want, from 700mA (0,7A) to 1milion amper....understand ;) ?
[0:44] <VoidFox> if u want to connect a couple hdds & other extras u better look up http://elinux.org/RPi_Powered_USB_Hubs
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[0:46] <shiftplusone> Laseryoda, there's not much information on that page. As a general rule, genuine phone chargers from Samsung, Apple, HTC and so on work pretty well (with the exception of one specific US model of an Apple charger).
[0:46] <DoctorD90> shiftplusone: .... 0.50€ euro is.bad cable xD 1-2€ are good enough to not get so great attenuation of volt :P
[0:47] <shiftplusone> can't always tell just by looking at the price, but yeah.
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[0:47] <DoctorD90> cheap cable maybe bad...a normale price for.a.good.enough cable is some.euro/dollar
[0:48] <DoctorD90> this is what i mean :)
[0:48] <Laseryoda> Hmmm.. ampere makes no sense to me :(
[0:48] <Laseryoda> I found another one, http://www.deltaco.eu/en/product/(USB-AC37)/Deltaco-USB-AC37---Power-adapter/
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[0:51] <DoctorD90> by the way, so i can connect hdmi or rca without issues, and without set manually nothing?
[0:51] <DoctorD90> Laseryoda: For charger=
[0:51] <DoctorD90> volt must be OUTPUT 5V and up to 0.7Ampere
[0:51] <DoctorD90> charger can give 1k amper, but raspberry will get only what he need ;)
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[0:51] <DoctorD90> more or less your.charger has to output 1ampere
[0:52] <shiftplusone> As an analogy, a table may support 500kg, but that doesn't not mean you weight 500kg if you sit on it.
[0:52] <Laseryoda> DoctorD90: that adapter says 5V 1A, should be good, no?
[0:52] <shiftplusone> yes
[0:52] <shiftplusone> (assuming it is reliable)
[0:53] <DoctorD90> rpi needs 0.7A, but if you attach keyboard or something else.it.may shutdown
[0:53] <DoctorD90> yes great
[0:53] <shiftplusone> DoctorD90, The pi itself only uses about 300-400mA. The 0.7A is taking into account that you will attach stuff.
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[0:55] <DoctorD90> ah, i remeber that it get 0.7
[0:57] <shiftplusone> Laseryoda, why are you looking for an adapter when you already have one anyway?
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[0:57] <Laseryoda> shiftplusone: U mean the one from before?
[0:57] <Laseryoda> it's for my phone :P
[0:57] <DoctorD90> guys, best site where i get rpi at the best price, what is? (im.from italy)
[0:57] <shiftplusone> ah
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[1:07] <phire> DoctorD90, the power adapter probally won't shut down, it will just reduce the voltage to compensate
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[1:15] <shiftplusone> (and in turn, hang the pi)
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[1:18] <DoctorD90> phire, i would mean, if connected stuff that requires much more.than electric that rpi needs to work, it will shutdown(or in electric so go work xP)
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[1:18] <phire> yes...
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[1:20] <DoctorD90> i have some not very clearly questions, maybe becausei dont full umderstand english home madr guide
[1:21] <DoctorD90> in gpio i have 3.3V and 5V ....but everywhere i read that gpio doesnt give 5V and.it is very danger to use 5V instead 3.3v pin....why?
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[1:22] <phire> the 5v pin supplies 5v power
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[1:22] <phire> but the actual gpio pins which are connected to the main chip run at 3.3v
[1:22] <phire> and they aren't 5v tolerant
[1:23] <DoctorD90> ...again...the same.stuff.i.find.wrote xD ....i havent well understand xF
[1:23] <phire> so putting too much 5v power through them will fry those pins
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[1:23] <phire> written, not wrote
[1:24] <DoctorD90> so i can get 5V from 5V pin, and 3.3 form 3.3 pin, but i have to be care (sorry my bad english) thay devices not go up to 5v?
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[1:25] <phire> the other pins on the header, the gpio pins must not be connected to 5v in any way
[1:25] <DoctorD90> and take care that 3.3 is in 3.3 pin and, 5at 5v?
[1:25] <phire> those pins supply power
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[1:26] <DoctorD90> so 5V -> ground and no other connections ?
[1:26] <phire> I wouldn't connect the 5v directly to ground
[1:26] <phire> what exactly are you trying to do?
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[1:27] <DoctorD90> understand issue to not burn it when i will buy it xP
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[1:28] <DoctorD90> but.with 5v -> Ground, i meant, with no other connection to other pins
[1:28] <phire> you supply power directy into the micro usb port
[1:28] <DoctorD90> all.pins are 3.3v, only 5v are 5volt
[1:28] <DoctorD90> yes
[1:28] <DoctorD90> charger->usb of rpi
[1:28] <DoctorD90> ok
[1:28] <DoctorD90> 5v 1a
[1:28] <DoctorD90> im ok until here...
[1:29] <phire> don't touch the gpio header in less you are building a device to interface directly with it
[1:30] <DoctorD90> ah! yea sorry! i mean: i would like to play with gpio to make some.circuits! sorry for.bad explaination
[1:30] <phire> what kind of circuits?
[1:30] <DoctorD90> reading about make cirtuits, on internet, i read about warning to use of 5v pin
[1:30] <DoctorD90> if you google, you will find many on/off led
[1:31] <DoctorD90> i start reading them, and.go on with i2c
[1:31] <phire> so that 5v pin is capable of supply 5v power to your circuit
[1:31] <phire> But
[1:32] <phire> none of the other pins are capable of working with 5v power
[1:32] <DoctorD90> ah! finally.clear!
[1:32] <DoctorD90> all pins are 3.3v
[1:33] <DoctorD90> and all are connected directly to arm processor..so if i connect v>3.3v , i burn cpu
[1:33] <phire> yes
[1:33] <DoctorD90> oh! finally...so 5v is.just as supply output
[1:33] <DoctorD90> for some circuit instead of external gauge
[1:33] <phire> yeah
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[1:34] <phire> you can include a 3.3v to 5v level shifter in your circuit
[1:34] <DoctorD90> ah understand...it is so easy for.me xD 3.3 is 3.3, 5 is 5 ....why they would complicate my life? 3.3 in3.3, 5in5! obliuvlsy!
[1:35] <DoctorD90> ah! yea! level shifter! my next question!
[1:35] <DoctorD90> i read it about on....adafruit page or robotarm site pages....
[1:35] <phire> I'm guessing that you didn't understand the word tolerant
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[1:35] <DoctorD90> i understood that:
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[1:37] <DoctorD90> 3.3v has some sort of protection against error.of connection (v>3.3) . 5v hasnt protection
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[1:38] <DoctorD90> tolerant was my problem xP ...level shifter, that cost 7$ on adafruit if i remeber well...what exactly do?
[1:38] <DoctorD90> check for v in each pin?
[1:38] <pksato> DoctorD90: if you set a some pin to input (or output) and connect it to 5v, you destroy internal circuit of CPU.
[1:39] <phire> Level shifting is complicated.
[1:40] <pksato> and, 5V is a standard voltage used on TTL (1970) tecnology.
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[1:40] <pksato> Lots of device use 5V.
[1:41] <phire> Also, some chips are 5v tolerant, like the common AVR chips. They can take 5v on their input when running on 3.3v power
[1:41] <pksato> but, today tecnology use other voltages, like 3v3, 1v8 and less.
[1:42] <pksato> RPi use 3v3 and 1v8. 5v remain due USB power are 5V.
[1:42] <pksato> and, also 3v6.
[1:42] <DoctorD90> (1v8 where?)
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[1:42] <phire> it's the core voltage of the arm soc
[1:43] <DoctorD90> ah
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[1:43] <phire> (I don't know where 3v6 goes)
[1:43] <DoctorD90> i read now (entropy of univers) about adafruit level shifter
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[1:44] <pksato> some chips can handle voltage above it power supply.
[1:44] <DoctorD90> it down grade 5v to 1v8/3v3
[1:44] <pksato> but, rpi Chip can not.
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[1:45] <DoctorD90> so we use this stuff to interface with othet devices that may burn my arm
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[1:46] <pksato> DoctorD90: on theory, all other circuits connected to RPi GPIO must be work at 3v3.
[1:46] <DoctorD90> understand....but it is a chip. not a plc/plc(a board pre mounted) ...so i can find it at my eletrconic shop in my town too
[1:46] <Matt> just treat the gpio lines as 3.3V, if you need to talk to 5V devices, put level shifters in there
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[1:47] <DoctorD90> great
[1:48] <DoctorD90> so purchasing a level.shifter: is a chip with which i level.differences between rpi and devices....but only if i need...i cant leave always it there....great
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[1:49] <DoctorD90> my other question if i can: my target is to manage 4 indipendet dc engine
[1:49] <DoctorD90> i need sda pin, pwm. but on rpi i have only 1. so u have go play with i2c standard
[1:49] <pksato> DoctorD90: if now know http://www.themagpi.com/
[1:50] <phire> an i2c pwm chip would probably be ideal
[1:50] <Matt> if you're doing I2C, make sure you use an apropriate level shifter
[1:50] <Matt> they can't all do I2C
[1:50] <DoctorD90> and use some chip/board that manage multiple devices...can you suggest me a good/board/chip?
[1:50] <DoctorD90> matt what do you mean?
[1:51] <DoctorD90> i will you pin of i2c ONLY as signal
[1:51] <DoctorD90> i will.get a power supply for dc engines
[1:51] <pksato> dc engines? motors?
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[1:52] <Matt> if your i2c devices are 3.3V, you're good
[1:52] <pksato> RPi is not good for power control.
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[1:52] <Matt> if you need to talk at 5V, use something like http://www.adafruit.com/products/757 that's specifically spec'ed for i2c
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[1:54] <pksato> use 3v3 devices.
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[1:54] <DoctorD90> pksato yes motors
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[1:54] <pksato> avoid 5v device.
[1:54] <DoctorD90> i have ONLY manage 'rotation' of motors
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[1:55] <DoctorD90> im plotting one.of that 4helic helicopter :p
[1:55] <pksato> A big one?
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[1:55] <DoctorD90> nono...just a home.made one...just.to do some thing in spare time :)
[1:55] <pksato> see magpi #13
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[1:56] <DoctorD90> improve.my skill in programming and learn about hardware/eletric
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[1:56] <pksato> ops. #19
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[1:56] <DoctorD90> but i have purchase this weekly books?
[1:56] <DoctorD90> because i have seen donate
[1:56] <DoctorD90> and.from phone i habe seen well
[1:57] <DoctorD90> is a normal weekly edition or similar, or.guys.that love rpi and write in spare time?
[1:57] <pksato> no. magpi is free. but, you can buy a printed version.
[1:57] <DoctorD90> ah
[1:58] <DoctorD90> so i could donate what i.want :)
[1:58] <DoctorD90> i will.do i think ^^
[1:58] <DoctorD90> #19 eh? ...i will remember...
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[1:58] <DoctorD90> im enjoy a lot
[1:59] <DoctorD90> i can use.it as download station
[1:59] <DoctorD90> a web home server
[1:59] <pksato> http://www.themagpi.com/issue/issue-19/
[1:59] <DoctorD90> a desktop test center for hardware experiments...rpi i love it ^^
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[2:02] <DoctorD90> yea! quad copter! ...lol! december 2013...someone has stolen my idea xD
[2:02] <DoctorD90> im think about latest summer xD
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[2:06] <DoctorD90> looking for some.other distro for arm processor, i have seen ARMHEL and ARMFEL or similar....i have.understand that there is different type of arm processors. what it the type of rpi?
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[2:09] <DoctorD90> armhf and armel...this is kind i have found...what.is the differences, and.how i know what kind will be mine?
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[2:24] <DoctorD90> guys, im tired...it late for me...thx of all support!!! i think i.will handle.here! thx of all :) good nigth!
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[2:56] <tonsofpcs> trying to gpio write and I get an error that there is no access to /dev/mem, try running as root... is there any option other than running as root?
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[3:02] <[Saint]> Wow.
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[3:02] <phire> tonsofpcs, I think you can do it with wiringpi
[3:03] <[Saint]> There's a rather disturbing amount of raspberry pis out there using the default user/password combination for the distro.
[3:03] <tonsofpcs> [Saint]: that's why I switch the user/pass! :-p
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[3:03] * phire checks his pi
[3:04] <[Saint]> I've only been scanning for a few hours, and I've managed to find a few dozen.
[3:04] <phire> yep default user/pass
[3:04] <[Saint]> If it touches the net...that's a really bad idea.
[3:04] <phire> but it's not exposed externally
[3:04] <[Saint]> Aha. Right.
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[3:05] <[Saint]> I'm only trying the default Raspbian and ALARM user/pass combinations, and only via ssh on the default port (22).
[3:06] <[Saint]> If I widened my scope a bit, I'm willing to believe I could find some more.
[3:06] <phire> I always suspected they would be out there
[3:06] <[Saint]> Considering the grander scale of things, and how many of these devices are out there in the world, finding a few dozen left wide open and net connected doesn't surprise me too much.
[3:07] <[Saint]> Also the rather low barrier to entry probably plays a part in this.
[3:07] <[Saint]> One can trivially start messing around on a raspi whilst having absolutely zero understanding of network security.
[3:07] <[Saint]> ...and apparently quite a few people do this. :)
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[3:09] <[Saint]> I should probably stop this, as the legality (varies by locale) and morality (assumedly a global constant) are very questionable.
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[3:10] <[Saint]> I would *really* love to drop a file in the user dir stating what happened and how - but that definitely crosses the line and could well wind me up in prison.
[3:10] <phire> Try setting up an ssh sandbox
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[3:10] <phire> see if anyone is currently scanning for that user/password combo
[3:11] <zz_Kymru> [Saint], scanning?
[3:12] <[Saint]> I would like to dump a "README.txt" file in ~ with content along the lines of "If you're reading this, you left SSH open and are still using the default password for the username of this account. You should definitely not do this. Here are some steps you should consider taking: ..."
[3:12] <VoidFox> ...suicide
[3:13] <[Saint]> But, yeah. Modifying a users filesystem remotely without permission...nope nope nope.
[3:13] <zz_Kymru> what are the chances of someone reading the README.txt file, i get them all the time with torrents and just ignore them
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[3:14] <[Saint]> zz_Kymru: just a simple script I knocked up to recurse through a range of addresses trying the default username/password combinations via ssh on port 22.
[3:15] <[Saint]> It does 4 attempts at a time, an attempt takes roughly a few seconds.
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[3:16] <VoidFox> found anything beside honeyboxes?
[3:16] <[Saint]> I don't go looking, I just log success/fail.
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[3:17] <VoidFox> hm still think theres not many finds
[3:18] <[Saint]> Just under two dozen after letting it run for slightly over 2 hours.
[3:19] <phire> [Saint], you modified their file system just by opening the ssh port
[3:19] <phire> (logs)
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[3:20] <VoidFox> without entering that number still is really unreliable
[3:20] <[Saint]> Well...technically, yes. But that's leaps and bounds away from dropping an "I pwnd U, lulz" file in their home directory. :)
[3:21] <zz_Kymru> [Saint], did you try that IP?
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[3:23] <[Saint]> Hmmm?
[3:23] <zz_Kymru> its my IP
[3:23] <[Saint]> Which?
[3:23] <zz_Kymru> PM'ed you it
[3:23] <[Saint]> Didn't get it.
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[3:24] <zz_Kymru> hmm
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[3:25] <zz_Kymru> [Saint], send me a pm
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[3:41] <Kymru> well im off to bed, night
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[4:08] <tonsofpcs> yay, raspberry pi thermostat is functional! (at least, in test mode, about to figure out how to hook it up for real)
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[4:40] <tonsofpcs> so, what's the best web server I can run to serve up a html5 page with two buttons on it each of which will end up just calling a shell script? is tomcat enough?
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[6:39] <Taylor> Are brackets to group commands valid in crontab?
[6:39] <Taylor> http://paste.ee/r/NeDXa
[6:39] <Taylor> Something like that
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[6:42] <Jusii> I'd assume no
[6:42] <Taylor> or should I use &&
[6:42] <Jusii> all has to be on one line
[6:42] <Jusii> or make a script of it
[6:42] <Jusii> and call that
[6:43] <Jusii> or use ; command1 ; command2 etc
[6:43] <Jusii> and maybe mkdir -p so it won't complain if dir exists
[6:44] <Taylor> Ah thanks
[6:44] <Jusii> and one more question, why use cron for that?
[6:44] <Jusii> maybe just init.d script to be run on boot?
[6:45] <Taylor> Are there benefits to using init.d over crontab?
[6:46] <Jusii> that's the way it should be done
[6:46] <Jusii> standard way, and lighttpd comes with a script already
[6:46] <Jusii> or is this something else than raspbian?
[6:47] <Taylor> I'm not completely familiar with how init.d works, are the contents executed on boot?
[6:47] <Taylor> I'm running Raspbian, yes
[6:48] <Taylor> ah
[6:48] <Taylor> I can just hard code mkdir into lighttpd in init.d
[6:48] <Jusii> all scripts are in /etc/init.d and then by runlevel they're executed from /etc/rc2.d for example
[6:48] <Jusii> right
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[6:51] <Taylor> What language is this?
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[6:57] <Jusii> scripts?
[6:57] <Taylor> Is it just bash?
[6:57] <Taylor> er
[6:57] <Jusii> first line tells you
[6:57] <Jusii> #!SOMETHING
[6:57] <Taylor> Ah I see
[6:58] <Taylor> handy
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[7:06] <Taylor> one fi for every if?
[7:07] <Taylor> It seems to think I'm missing one somewhere but afaik there's a fi
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[7:07] <Taylor> Scrath that
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[7:07] <Taylor> scratch
[7:08] <Taylor> Alrighty sudo service lighttpd start works fine now
[7:08] <Taylor> That's cleaner than what I was doing lol
[7:09] <Jusii> a bit... :)
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[8:19] <rahul__> Hii al
[8:19] <rahul__> I am trying to pair my BT headphones with Pi.. But its not performing..
[8:19] <rahul__> :(
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[9:15] <rahul__> I got an article but still there is written that we need to execute bluetoothctl but as i am executing i am getting command not found
[9:16] <rahul__> what to do
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[10:01] <Kymru> rahul__, any luck with the hradphones?
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[10:28] <klock> what's consensus on controlling big loads with a pi? mosfet?
[10:30] <gordonDrogon> klock, whatever your more familiar with.
[10:30] <klock> i'm not >.>
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[10:30] <klock> just looking for the 'best'
[10:30] <klock> or easiest
[10:30] <gordonDrogon> klock, and it depends on the load. DC or AC..
[10:30] <klock> or whatever
[10:30] <klock> let's say DC
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[10:31] <gordonDrogon> a PiFace with the relays is very easy.
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[10:31] <klock> why thank you
[10:31] <klock> that does look nice
[10:32] <gordonDrogon> personally I'd not use it to switch mains voltages as I feel the terminals are a bit close to the Pi, but I have seen it donw.
[10:33] <gordonDrogon> for low (ish) voltage& current DC the uln2003 darlington driver is popular - with 7 or 8 outputs.
[10:33] <gordonDrogon> for a single output - a power mostfet might be a good choice.
[10:33] <gordonDrogon> it all depends on your abilitys to wire it up & what you know ...
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[10:34] <rahul__> Kymru: No..
[10:34] <ShorTie> what cha trying to control if i may ask ??
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[11:50] <dakira> Hi. I'm looking to run a raspberry pi 24/7 for backup. Anything to consider? I've seen people use heatsinks. Will model B rev1 be enough to run a nightly (large) rsync?
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[11:55] <gordonDrogon> dakira, it'll be fine without heatsinks.
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[11:56] <gordonDrogon> rsync will be slow as the Pi isn't the fastest at encryption - if it's on a LAN and peer to peer encryption isn't an issue you might want to look at using rsh rather than ssh, but it's no big deal.
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[12:02] <dakira> gordonDrogon: thanks. any reason to use model b rev2 (i.e. with 512MB RAM)? If it makes a difference I'll buy it but I have a couple of unused rev1 models that I'd rather put to good use.
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[12:05] <DoctorD90> hello guys! someone know anything about rpi like this video? http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=pX1cO2XhMrg
[12:06] <DoctorD90> i would like make an extruder 3d..not a printer, that "shoots" liquid plastic....someone has ever hear about?
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[12:07] <gordonDrogon> dakira, only as it has more RAM, but really, rsync, etc. will be fine on a Rev 1.
[12:08] <gordonDrogon> rsync can eat a lot of RAM when building up the directory structure though - it keeps a copy of both sides in RAM before the copy starts.
[12:09] <gordonDrogon> DoctorD90, you describe what most people would think of a 3D printer - one that extrudes melted plastic... there are many out there - make you own - easy if you can do the mechanicals.
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[12:20] * SpeedEvil wants a 4D printer.
[12:20] <DoctorD90> gordonDrogon: i dislike melted plastic...i like a drill (like in video) that erase exceed material...
[12:20] <SpeedEvil> It would help a _lot_ with the procrastination issues.
[12:20] <DoctorD90> SpeedEvil: +1
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[12:21] <DoctorD90> creat a T.A.R.D.I.S. XD
[12:21] <gordonDrogon> DoctorD90, so you want liquid plastic, but not melted plastic. do you mean light sensitive liquid polymers?
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[12:25] <DoctorD90> gordonDrogon: problem is my bad english...wait...
[12:25] <gordonDrogon> ok
[12:25] <gordonDrogon> the lego is one typically called a mill or router.
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[12:27] <dakira> gordonDrogon: great.. I'll give it a try!
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[12:33] <DoctorD90> gordonDrogon: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pyFZKc356eQ < i dislike something like this
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[12:34] <gordonDrogon> DoctorD90, ok - well, that what most 3D printers are. So the alternative is to mill out the plastic you don't want - just like that lego printer.
[12:34] <DoctorD90> i would give it a cube of solid plastic (like mouse pc plastic) and it erase all exceeded material,like in lego nxt video...
[12:34] <DoctorD90> yea
[12:34] <gordonDrogon> all you need is some Lego...
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[12:34] <gordonDrogon> but the "proper" device is a CNC Mill.
[12:34] <DoctorD90> so im looking for a mill printer?
[12:35] <dakira> DoctorD90: what exactly are you trying to accomplish?
[12:35] <DoctorD90> cnc mill..ok! and have you ever seen something madr with rpi? :)
[12:35] <gordonDrogon> well - printer implys printing something - putting something on a base. you're "subtracting" material.
[12:35] <DoctorD90> dakira, the cnc mill printer...
[12:35] <DoctorD90> yes
[12:35] <dakira> DoctorD90: for CNC and printers arduinos/atmels are way more popular.
[12:35] <gordonDrogon> I'm sure people have done it but I've not seen a CNC mill myself.
[12:36] <gordonDrogon> running off a Pi that is - seen plenty not using a Pi...
[12:36] <dakira> DoctorD90: no. i mean what are you trying to accomplish. What do you want to have as a result.
[12:36] <DoctorD90> ...but i will purchase RPi, not arduino xP
[12:37] <gordonDrogon> you may need arduino to do the actual control with the Pi doing the design.
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[12:37] <DoctorD90> a mill printer dakira....give it a,cube of plastic and it erase plastic to get object
[12:37] <dakira> DoctorD90: i've built several CNC mills and I can tell you, you are making it harder on yourself by using pis instead of arduinos.
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[12:37] <dakira> DoctorD90: okay. sratch the "printer". It is just a mill. ;)
[12:37] <gordonDrogon> the Lego mill there mills stuff called oasis - phenolic foam.
[12:38] <gordonDrogon> it's very very soft.
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[12:38] <DoctorD90> xD dakira, i think too.....
[12:38] <dakira> DoctorD90: let me get you a design of a mill we built.. just a second ;)
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[12:40] <doGet> Hi, I am using raspbian How should I run a script automatically on boot ?
[12:41] <DoctorD90> thx dakira
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[12:41] <DoctorD90> i love modelism, so i've thougth to make by myself some little pieces for my models
[12:42] <dakira> doGet: either read up on debian init scripts (update-rc.d) or put what you need in /etc/rc.local
[12:42] <DoctorD90> but 3d printer, use a plastic and it is not very accurated belong to me, and all depend by plastic and quality of 'hardware'
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[12:43] <DoctorD90> so i can spend 999$ and get a stuff sure better of mine....so i've thougth to miller....some motors, a drill and game is over...
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[12:44] <DoctorD90> but i havent the 'converter' from cad, to coordinate...and i havent skill to code it...2d maybe, but 2d is an easy driller...and it is useless xP
[12:45] <birabijan> Hi. My TV doesn't passthrough surround via SPDIF, and my receiver has only SPDIF (no HDMI). Should I look for HDMI -> HDMI+SPDIF extractor or there are any cheap USB soundcards supported by Rpi with spdif out?
[12:46] <DoctorD90> i have to purchase rpi yet, so i can make a cart with all chip/card i need ^^
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[12:49] <pksato> birabijan: http://dx.com/p/2-ch-5-1-ch-hdmi-audio-extractor-black-278833
[12:49] <dakira> DoctorD90: sorry. couldn't find a picture on my phone. anyway, what you usually want (for a 3-axis mill): 1. a table to put your material on that can be moved forward and backward by motors. 2. an arc over the table with guides an the side so that you can move your mill up and down. 3. a horizontal guide that allows your mill to be moved left and right. connect all the motors to an arduino and use the free visicut software to control it.
[12:50] <pksato> or http://dx.com/p/hdmi-2-ch-5-1-ch-audio-digital-stereo-extractor-splitter-w-spdif-fiber-coaxial-3-5mm-jack-300151
[12:50] <DoctorD90> yes dakira, my problem is software xD ...
[12:51] <DoctorD90> now.with MILL word i.have find this: http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=JoPAs7mzBDw
[12:51] <DoctorD90> once i.will be from pc, i will see it too..but i think that it is what im looking for...
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[12:51] <birabijan> pksato: yeah, seen that already, I'm not sure whether it supports all formats (AC3 isn't mentioned in desc.). Second one just has 3D support additionally, right?
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[12:53] <pksato> birabijan: it is just a audio extractor, dont process audio stream.
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[13:05] <Raynerd> Hi guys... my Raspberry pi running my weather station has stopped again and the SD card has been corrupted and I only get a red light on the Pi - no boot. Obviously, I mean using a new good SD card, just a red light on the Pi!
[13:05] <Raynerd> Checked the fuse and that is OK.
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[13:15] <DoctorD90> guys, exist a 'card', and adapter to connect mini pci card(from my broken netbook) to rpi?
[13:15] <DoctorD90> a shield or something similar'
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[13:15] <DoctorD90> ?*
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[13:40] <DoctorD90> guys, how i know if raspberry is armel or armhf?
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[13:41] <ShorTie> uname -a maybe
[13:42] <ShorTie> opps, nop, what os ??
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[13:43] <ShorTie> gcc -v maybe
[13:43] <SirLagz> DoctorD90: using Raspbian ? dpkg --print-architecture
[13:43] <SirLagz> or Debian
[13:43] <DoctorD90> oh...great! thx :)
[13:43] * ShorTie thinkz nifty
[13:45] <ShorTie> --with-float=hard, tells too i guess
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[13:56] <gordonDrogon> does minecraft on the Pi need a bigger gpu mem split than 16MB?
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[14:03] <gordonDrogon> yes, is the answer.
[14:04] <SirLagz> answer to what ?
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[14:06] <gordonDrogon> the question I just posted.
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[14:07] <gordonDrogon> now I need to know how to get the mouse out of a minecraft game without pausing it. or maybe I don't. new to all this.
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[14:10] <SirLagz> gordonDrogon: I didn't see your question...
[14:10] <SirLagz> gordonDrogon: also, open inventory, then you can take mosue out of minecraft
[14:10] <SirLagz> without pausing
[14:11] <gordonDrogon> the question was: does minecraft on the Pi need a bigger gpu mem split than 16MB?
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[14:11] <gordonDrogon> and it seems it does - 64MB.
[14:12] <SirLagz> oh right
[14:12] <SirLagz> well thanks, now I know :D
[14:12] <pjhartz64> are there servers for minecraft pi, or is it offline only?
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[14:13] <gordonDrogon> thanks for the inventory tip.
[14:14] <gordonDrogon> there must be another way though - how to people type commands into the python terminal while viewing the game...
[14:14] * gordonDrogon ponders.
[14:14] <gordonDrogon> pjhartz64, AIUI, it's local creator mode only.
[14:15] <gordonDrogon> but I think others can connect into your game, so maybe there's more to it.
[14:15] <pjhartz64> thanks :)
[14:15] <gordonDrogon> what do I know - I'm just trying to write an interface to it in BASIC.
[14:15] <gordonDrogon> :-)
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[14:18] <gordonDrogon> a-ha! Alt+Tab.
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[14:19] <pjhartz64> does anyone know the game "Meridian 59"? Its a MMO with Mode 7-like graphics, and its opensource. Wonder if that could be compiled on the Pi. I actually just find stuff about compileing it with visual studio.
[14:19] <gordonDrogon> m ... m ... mmmm .... mode 7 ?
[14:20] <pjhartz64> pseudo 3d like seen in the early doom games, or wolfenstein 3d
[14:20] <gordonDrogon> doubleheight blinky yellow characters on a blue background :)
[14:20] <pjhartz64> or early mario kart games
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[14:21] <pjhartz64> it has sources on git but dunno how to compile it
[14:22] <pjhartz64> and it was originally designed for windows
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[14:22] <gordonDrogon> I suspect that might be the initial stumbling block.
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[14:25] <pjhartz64> thought about many ways running this game on pi. like compiling wine , using qemu and so on. but no idea yet :D
[14:26] <pjhartz64> the pi should be capable of doing the graphics stuff, but as far as i see there is noone else having interest in this game except me :D
[14:27] <DeliriumTremens> if you plan on running windows in qemu on a pi to play a game, you're gonna have a bad time
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[14:28] <pjhartz64> lol yes :D i had too much time a few days ago and started win95 and win98 in dosbox. nice nostalgic picture-show, nothing more :D
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[14:29] <pjhartz64> well it works, but its completely unusable
[14:29] <gordonDrogon> wine won't work as it assumes its already running on x86.
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[14:29] <gordonDrogon> and qemu is going to be far too slow )-:
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[14:29] <gordonDrogon> might emulate an original 8MHz IBM PC if you're lucky :)
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[14:31] <pjhartz64> lol but it grinds the pi's gears.... when starting qemu with some image / iso its a matter of luck to be able to close it again :D
[14:32] <pjhartz64> usually it completely hangs the whole pi until its rebooted, not even able to kill the process via commandline
[14:32] <DeliriumTremens> i emulated DOS 6.22 in qemu to run a BBS on my pi
[14:32] <DeliriumTremens> even that was slow
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[14:35] <pjhartz64> there was just one game i could emulate properly in DOS. Crimefighter thats more of a text-style game
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[14:37] <pjhartz64> the pi needs an mmo :) planeshift would be fine haha
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[14:48] <AndreeeCZ> hi! whats the dac resolution on rpi?
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[14:48] <AndreeeCZ> i thought its 12bit, but people around me tell me its 8bit
[14:50] <gordonDrogon> AndreeeCZ, what DAC? it doesn't have any.
[14:50] <gordonDrogon> or do you mean the analog sound output?
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[14:50] <AndreeeCZ> gordonDrogon: well the audio output?
[14:50] <AndreeeCZ> yes
[14:50] <gordonDrogon> it's a PWM system - thought to be equivalent to an 11 bit DAC, but quality is subjective...
[14:52] <AndreeeCZ> gordonDrogon: thanks
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[15:46] <rahul__> Hii all
[15:47] <rahul__> i am over the vnc viewer and trying to open blueman-applet but it is showing error AttributeError: 'NoneType' object has no attribute 'prepend_search_path'
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[15:50] <gordonDrogon> http://unicorn.drogon.net/minecraft1.jpg <- BASIC connecting to Minecraft on a Pi. (But I suspect that photographing a screen is somewhat sub optimal!)
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[15:54] <rahul__> Any one got the same error
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[16:05] <DoctorD90> guys, on gpio, i find 3v3 x2, 5v x2, and Ground x5. there are differences or advising about using them?
[16:07] <DoctorD90> can i use both 5v or both ground? same for 3v3? (remembering warn about NOT connect 5v to others pin)
[16:07] <DoctorD90> or i have use each one for different purpouse?
[16:07] <gordonDrogon> DoctorD90, use what's easiest to use.
[16:08] <gordonDrogon> internally all the Gnd's are connected together as are the 5v and 3.3v pins.
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[16:09] <gordonDrogon> on the Rev 1 docs. the additional 5v, 3.3v and Gns pins were marked "do not connect", but since they never used them on the Rev 2's then they said "ok, do connect if you need them".
[16:10] <DoctorD90> so i can get 3v3 from both pin 3v3 without issue...they are in parallel so...great
[16:11] <DoctorD90> all pieces of puzzle, take its position finally....
[16:11] <DoctorD90> gordonDrogon: are you pratice of PWM? (sda/scl)?
[16:11] <DoctorD90> i2c
[16:12] <[SLB]> oh hm, where can i find an updated gpio scheme with the tension values for the old do not connect pins?
[16:13] <DoctorD90> elink site i think [SLB]
[16:13] <[SLB]> let me see
[16:13] <DoctorD90> i get a very usefull image of gpio from there
[16:13] <DoctorD90> search raspberry gpio
[16:14] <[SLB]> found thanks
[16:14] <DoctorD90> and looking for a link that send to low level connection at elink site
[16:14] <[SLB]> http://elinux.org/File:GPIOs.png
[16:14] <DoctorD90> image has a green background
[16:14] <[SLB]> yup thanks :)
[16:14] <DoctorD90> it seems the rigth link ^^
[16:15] <[SLB]> eheh
[16:15] <DoctorD90> from what i have learnt, only sda/scl pins, (3&5) has a resistor
[16:15] <DoctorD90> other ar direct
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[16:16] <DoctorD90> uh...a my parent quit...bye D30 xP
[16:16] <[SLB]> lol
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[16:18] <gordonDrogon> DoctorD90, you want PWM on the I2C pins? You can do it in software in wiringPi: http://wiringpi.com/
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[16:19] <DoctorD90> gordonDrogon: my target is control MULTIPLE motors...to do that im seeing tutorials and howto...
[16:19] <DoctorD90> until now i have find.....4ways
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[16:20] <DoctorD90> but im not an eletric expert...and i hoped to find someone that understand differences between each ways(and maybe explain them to.me xP)
[16:20] <gordonDrogon> what kind of motors and what language are you programming in?
[16:21] <DoctorD90> i know only TCL as language of programming XD i have found also package to manage gpio/i2c ....not remain hardware issue xP
[16:22] <DoctorD90> i'd like make some devices, just as spare time. some stepped motors, and a quadcopter
[16:22] <gordonDrogon> ok. sounds fun.
[16:22] <DoctorD90> last nigth a guy here linked me MagPi #19
[16:22] <DoctorD90> with the bases for a quad copter...
[16:23] <DoctorD90> but i dislike 'copy' stuff...i like to make stuff by me, learning howto...
[16:23] <DoctorD90> so i would learn differences between some chip, very often used in eletric motors managemente
[16:24] <DoctorD90> managent*
[16:24] <DoctorD90> management*
[16:25] <DoctorD90> but i havent 'skill' to understand immediatly electric stuff...it would be an hobby..if i have to start seriusly studies, i will find some other hobby xD
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[16:25] <smikey> hey guys
[16:26] <DoctorD90> i have found: L293D, ULN2803, PCA9685, and MCP23017/08
[16:26] <DoctorD90> but....what are the differences xD ?
[16:27] <smikey> has anyone some gpu-stuff working already?
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[16:38] <AbbyTheRat> *pokes shipping*
[16:38] <AbbyTheRat> so late
[16:38] <AbbyTheRat> so slow, I mean
[16:39] * IT_Sean blows up AbbyTheRat's package
[16:39] <AbbyTheRat> ;-;
[16:39] <AbbyTheRat> I waited so long for it! I only could just afford it
[16:39] * AbbyTheRat cries her eyes out
[16:39] <IT_Sean> don't worry... they will send another.
[16:39] <IT_Sean> What was it, anyway?
[16:40] <AbbyTheRat> raspberry pi
[16:40] * IT_Sean tosses AbbyTheRat a Model A raspi, with a removed composite video connector, in a PiBow case
[16:40] <AbbyTheRat> >_>
[16:41] <IT_Sean> Will this be your first raspi?
[16:41] <AbbyTheRat> yes
[16:41] <IT_Sean> Awesome.
[16:43] <AbbyTheRat> mhm
[16:43] <AbbyTheRat> and then hopefully I can finally remember to take my pills
[16:43] <IT_Sean> (O_o)
[16:43] <AbbyTheRat> get up on time and other things
[16:44] <IT_Sean> Are you going to make some sort of Bionic Alarm Clock of Death?
[16:44] <AbbyTheRat> sorta
[16:44] <IT_Sean> AWESOME! :D
[16:44] <AbbyTheRat> alarm clock with connection into google calendar for event info
[16:44] <IT_Sean> Will there be an LCD display? There should be an LCD display.
[16:44] <AbbyTheRat> have it pick up key words, (so wake, reminder)
[16:44] <AbbyTheRat> yeah, later
[16:45] <IT_Sean> And mebbe some blinking LEDs or something.
[16:45] <AbbyTheRat> just want it working
[16:45] <AbbyTheRat> I plan to get the RGB 20x4 LCD from adafruit
[16:45] <IT_Sean> When the time comes, Adafruit sell a really nice 2 line ... damn, you beat me to it.
[16:45] <AbbyTheRat> and 4 buttons there too
[16:45] <AbbyTheRat> of what, I haven't decided
[16:45] <AbbyTheRat> maybe 5
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[16:46] <IT_Sean> I have the 2 line RGB backlit LCD from Adafruit, for the Pi. It's a nice little display.
[16:46] <IT_Sean> And yeah, it's got 5 buttons.
[16:46] <IT_Sean> < > ^ V and Menu
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[16:46] <IT_Sean> 'course, you can do whatever you want with 'em.
[16:46] <AbbyTheRat> mhm
[16:46] <AbbyTheRat> and since I'm going to go down the route of being connected to google calendar
[16:47] <AbbyTheRat> I'm having it get weather updates too
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[16:47] <AbbyTheRat> first step, getting the pi and the data fetching code working
[16:47] <IT_Sean> Right.
[16:47] <AbbyTheRat> which should give me enough time to wait until next payday
[16:47] <smikey> AbbyTheRat: I've some kind of that working on a 10" tft.. google-calendar, weather forecast and newticker
[16:48] <AbbyTheRat> we've been broke for SOOOO long, I've forgotten what it's like to have money, ha
[16:49] <AbbyTheRat> still have to repair the hole made by being broke which will take a few months so still have to live like money isn't avaiablite for a bit longer but at least I can spend on small things
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[16:54] <DoctorD90> someone that know L293D, MCP230XX or similar stuff?
[16:55] <DoctorD90> IT_Sean: (are you italian?)
[16:55] <IT_Sean> No.
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[16:55] <IT_Sean> I am not.
[16:55] <DoctorD90> ah sorru
[16:55] <DoctorD90> y*
[16:56] <IT_Sean> As well you should be.
[16:56] <Nexuist> dammit
[16:56] <Nexuist> now i want spaghetti
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[17:09] <rahul__> can't able to run aplay
[17:09] <rahul__> over raspbian
[17:09] <rahul__> i got my BT headphones connected but still
[17:09] <rahul__> can't play sound via aplay
[17:09] <rahul__> any suggestions
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[17:21] <AbbyTheRat> get a new one and give thatone to me >_> (helpful suggestion(!)), nah I'm kidding. Interesting issue
[17:21] <AbbyTheRat> does it work on another device?
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[17:21] <AbbyTheRat> does aplay still play sounds with other headphones/speakers?
[17:21] <IT_Sean> You really cannot wait to get your hands on a pi, can you? :p
[17:22] <AbbyTheRat> IT_Sean: whatever make you think tht?
[17:22] * IT_Sean almost feels guilty for having two raspis.
[17:22] <AbbyTheRat> don't be
[17:22] <AbbyTheRat> I think I Want two meself
[17:23] <IT_Sean> Okay, i won't! Thanks! :D
[17:23] <AbbyTheRat> one to stick in a case
[17:23] <AbbyTheRat> and another to dev work on
[17:24] <tonsofpcs> yay, got logging working. now to figure out how to trend graph my temperature readings along with highlighting for the 'mode' of the thermostat (heating, cooling, hold-off, stable)
[17:25] <tonsofpcs> rahul__: it could be in the wrong sample rate (or other mode)
[17:25] <tonsofpcs> this could cause odd sounds or no output at all.
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[17:25] <tonsofpcs> ( /me has made audio io systems with rpis)
[17:26] <IT_Sean> AbbyTheRat: Decided on a case yet?
[17:26] <SpeedEvil> Me too. You bandsaw them up, and you can make them into glockenspiels.
[17:26] <rahul__> tonsofpcs: how to make it right?
[17:27] <AbbyTheRat> IT_Sean sorta, yes
[17:27] <IT_Sean> WHich one?
[17:27] <AbbyTheRat> homemade
[17:27] <IT_Sean> Ah
[17:27] <IT_Sean> I see.
[17:27] <IT_Sean> I'm kinda partial to the PiBow, personally.
[17:27] <AbbyTheRat> I got a cabinet that's got a blocked in area
[17:27] <IT_Sean> Oh, nice.
[17:27] <AbbyTheRat> was thinking maybe fitting it in that area or remaking that faceplace and putting the pi on
[17:28] <AbbyTheRat> only thing is, it's a cabient and I'm not sure it's tall enough to be visible from bed when laying on my side
[17:28] <SpeedEvil> Bricks.
[17:28] <SpeedEvil> Solve any height issues.
[17:29] <AbbyTheRat> maybe I'll cut and sink it into the top part so it can been seen from above but then I Would need to find a nice sized cover
[17:29] <AbbyTheRat> maybe and I'm thinking I'm going down this route, is to get two LCD, one on top and one on the side
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[17:29] <tonsofpcs> rahul__: I don't have my audio code accessible from here so I'm not entirely sure, but there's an alsa mixer that you can run to configure settings through a ui or an alsa config utility you can run from the command line
[17:29] <rahul__> tonsofpcs: http://pastebin.com/y1VgtRRE
[17:29] <IT_Sean> Nah... hide it away, but desolder the LEDs and put new ones on the face of the cabinet.
[17:29] <IT_Sean> Blinkenlights = win
[17:30] <AbbyTheRat> possible seperating and sending two different info to each of them
[17:30] <tonsofpcs> rahul__: that sounds like the WAV file is not actually LPCM or it's in a LPCM format that isn't recognized by the playout system (say 48k and the playout can only handle 44k1)
[17:30] <AbbyTheRat> or just.. I dunno dividing the signal up and just having it share the same address.. if possible
[17:30] <AbbyTheRat> *brainstorms*
[17:30] <tonsofpcs> rahul__: are you using the pi onboard sound playout or are you using an external device?
[17:30] <AbbyTheRat> and bricks is no good when you have to worry about safety
[17:30] <rahul__> tonsofpcs: I have connected my BT headset
[17:30] <IT_Sean> safety is overrated
[17:31] <AbbyTheRat> IT_Sean: I like to at least be REASONABLE safe for a 2 yr old
[17:31] <rahul__> tonsofpcs: using bluez-simple-agent hci0 .....
[17:31] <IT_Sean> Ooooh, i see... you have spun up a child process.
[17:31] <IT_Sean> I still safety is overrated.
[17:31] <AbbyTheRat> a brick is just too much of a risk for him dropping it on it toe
[17:31] <AbbyTheRat> IT TOE!
[17:31] <AbbyTheRat> MY KID IS AN IT! ZOMG!
[17:31] <tonsofpcs> rahul__: good. set up the output and input to be the BT headset using alsamixer, then run arecord to generate a .wav file from that input, then try aplaying it. It should make a compliant file, if it plays you can then make your files match (either by telling aplay to convert on the fly or by actually converting them)
[17:32] <IT_Sean> your kid is an it?
[17:32] <AbbyTheRat> apparently
[17:32] * IT_Sean sends AbbyTheRat the three page PDF entitled "determining your child's gender in four easy steps"
[17:32] <rahul__> tonsofpcs: but it is also giving an error
[17:32] <AbbyTheRat> it's news to me
[17:32] <AbbyTheRat> last I checked, it was a boy
[17:33] <IT_Sean> They can be trouble.
[17:33] <IT_Sean> Or so I am told.
[17:33] <tonsofpcs> IT_Sean: can you make a blinkenlight box for my thermostat? I need four panel-mount LEDs, two plastic lightpipes to extend LEDs from the relay boxes (or two additional panel mount and I'll just extend them) and space for a pi and two of the sparkfun relay control kits (KIT-11042)
[17:33] <AbbyTheRat> yeah, it can cause problems for the parent thread. Specially if you don't think about thread safety
[17:33] <tonsofpcs> oh, and a four terminal barrier strip
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[17:34] <AbbyTheRat> and a well manage code helps to keep the child thread under control
[17:34] <IT_Sean> tonsofpcs: you cannot afford my hourly rate, m8.
[17:34] <rahul__> tonsofpcs: http://pastebin.com/7i6Kh9RU
[17:34] <IT_Sean> AbbyTheRat: that's why i always use a reliable firewall when transmitting peer to peer network information
[17:34] <AbbyTheRat> I can't afford any thing XD
[17:35] <Kymru> i can offord things for myself, but when it comes to the wife...im skint!!!
[17:35] * AbbyTheRat blinks
[17:35] <AbbyTheRat> What happen if I'm the wife and I have a wife?
[17:36] <IT_Sean> AbbyTheRat: careful... that's only legal in some states.
[17:36] <Kymru> same thing
[17:37] <AbbyTheRat> Yeah, whatever state the child thread is in, it's fine cause it's mostly fedual. He spawned in a Canadabox
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[17:37] <IT_Sean> Ahhhhhhhhhhh
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[17:42] <tonsofpcs> IT_Sean: eh, I was just going to model one in Lightwave and send it to the 3d printer...
[17:43] <tonsofpcs> rahul__: killall pulseaudio
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[17:46] <rahul__> tonsofpcs: done, Now?
[17:46] <tonsofpcs> try everything I said again
[17:46] <rahul__> same error geting
[17:48] <tonsofpcs> have you tried every possible sample rate and depth setting?
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[17:54] <rahul__> tonsofpcs: No
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[17:54] <rahul__> tonsofpcs: i am not getting why my BT light blinks and stops
[17:55] <rahul__> it is connecting fine from here
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[17:55] <rahul__> tonsofpcs: and output of arecord -l is null
[17:56] <rahul__> there is no capture hrdware there
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[18:00] <rahul__> And the same i am oing in ubuntu (laptop) it is working fine
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[18:01] <rahul__> huh :/
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[18:01] <rahul__> Its 5 hours sspent over this,..
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[18:04] <rahul__> tonsofpcs: are you there?
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[18:11] <tonsofpcs> rahul__: does alsa support it?
[18:11] <rahul__> tonsofpcs: dont know
[18:11] <rahul__> tonsofpcs: how to test it
[18:12] <rahul__> tonsofpcs: Usage: /usr/sbin/alsa {unload|reload|force-unload|force-reload|suspend|resume}
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[18:13] <K1Hedayati> hi, i have problem with my raspery, somtimes i does not get ip from my router
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[18:13] <K1Hedayati> seems it's random
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[18:14] <K1Hedayati> but lan lights are up in my router and raspery
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[18:15] <x^2> If i attempt to attach something to a GPIO pin which needs more current than the pin can give, is there any risk of damaging my Pi?
[18:15] <x^2> or will the device just not work as designed
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[18:17] <ShorTie> ever hear of that old song, pop goes the wesel ??
[18:17] <x^2> Yes
[18:18] <ShorTie> or in that case, pop goes the rPi
[18:18] <x^2> why would that be?
[18:18] <ShorTie> if your lucky it will only take out 1 gpio pin
[18:18] <x^2> mk
[18:18] <x^2> im very new to electronics
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[18:18] <x^2> so when i consider devices i want to attach
[18:19] <x^2> for example, i've just got a couple LED's on it now with a resistor, which i know is safe
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[18:19] <x^2> but for other devices, what do i need to consider?
[18:19] <ShorTie> 15ma is like that recommended current draw
[18:19] <x^2> so i shouldnt exceed that
[18:19] <IT_Sean> correct
[18:19] <IT_Sean> Do not apply more than 3.3v to any input.
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[18:20] <x^2> i know that part
[18:20] <x^2> i'm talking more about writing data to pins
[18:20] <x^2> rather than reading anything back
[18:20] <x^2> which is why i was confused
[18:20] <x^2> not entirely sure why overdrawing a pin would kill it
[18:20] <x^2> just because i don't know much about this stuff yet, but im learning
[18:21] <IT_Sean> too much current = too much heat = tiiiiny little traces going POOF
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[18:21] <IT_Sean> that's why overdrawing a pin kills it.
[18:21] <x^2> ahhh i gotcha.
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[18:22] <x^2> i guess im just surprised that there isn't something to prevent giving more current than will kill the pin
[18:22] <x^2> but i assume that's intentional
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[18:22] <x^2> and a good thing
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[18:23] <gordonDrogon> we're supposed to be inteligent in that department.
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[18:23] <x^2> just to make sure im doing this right
[18:23] <x^2> you said this: <ShorTie> 15ma is like that recommended current draw
[18:23] <x^2> so for example ive got this LED labeled 2.8V
[18:23] <x^2> and a 270 ohm resistor
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[18:23] <x^2> i just punched that into a calculator and it gave me 0.01 amps
[18:23] <gordonDrogon> that'll be ok.
[18:23] <x^2> so that's how i know it's safe
[18:24] <x^2> ok
[18:24] <x^2> so if i have a device with X voltage and a resistor of Y ohms that lets me have a safe amperage
[18:24] <x^2> that's really all i need to pay attention to, in order to avoid overdraw?
[18:24] <gordonDrogon> more or less.
[18:25] <x^2> okay, cool.
[18:25] <x^2> i'm very new to this stuff so im still learning the basics, but now i know what's safe at least.
[18:25] <gordonDrogon> jut stick to under 15mA.
[18:25] <x^2> mk
[18:26] <x^2> thank you very much for the help everyone, i understand now.
[18:26] <gordonDrogon> the reason there is no protection is because it's designed to be used by people who understand the limitations.
[18:26] <x^2> right
[18:26] <x^2> i think that's a good thing
[18:26] <gordonDrogon> protections costs money and when you need to sell 10,000,000 of them then it all adds up.
[18:26] <ShorTie> much more then an led, you most likely need some kind of device as an output buffer type thing
[18:26] <x^2> i just want to understand what i'm doing so i don't fry my new baby :)
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[18:26] <x^2> ShorTie: what do you mean?
[18:27] <x^2> what's much more than an LED
[18:27] <ShorTie> like a transistor, mosfet, opto-coupler....
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[18:28] <ShorTie> much more current then an led
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[18:28] <x^2> ah
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[18:31] <gordonDrogon> I saw someone drive motors directly off a Pi recently.
[18:31] <gordonDrogon> no transistors, mofets, etc.
[18:31] <gordonDrogon> they worked quite well too.
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[18:32] <ShorTie> 3-phase ??
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[18:33] <ShorTie> i could see using the gpio to pulse a little lrk type motor
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[18:41] <x^2> gordonDrogon:
[18:41] <x^2> i was going to try to use a small motor with mine.
[18:41] <x^2> very tiny one.
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[18:47] <x^2> one more question
[18:47] <x^2> say i have a GPIO pin controlling an LED
[18:48] <x^2> if i stick another LED next to it, so the GPIO pin just controls both at once
[18:48] <x^2> that doesn't increase my draw, does it?
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[18:49] <IT_Sean> yes, if you are driving two LEDs you will be drawing additional current.
[18:49] <x^2> okay
[18:49] <x^2> to calculate the draw
[18:49] <IT_Sean> think of adding the 2nd LED as opening a 2nd water tap in your house.
[18:49] <x^2> would i literally just add their two voltages together?
[18:49] <x^2> ah, okay. i like that analogy.
[18:49] <IT_Sean> you are "pulling" more "powah"
[18:50] <x^2> that analogy tells me i probably would just add the voltages together
[18:50] <ShorTie> all depends on how you hook them up, series or parallel
[18:50] <x^2> parseries
[18:50] <x^2> series8
[18:51] <x^2> essentially the current runs out the GPIO, to one LED, to the next LED, and then back to the ground
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[18:52] <shiftplusone> correct, you add the voltages together, but the current stays the same.
[18:52] <ShorTie> series they may not light, cause that is a voltage divider too
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[18:53] <x^2> they do light
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[18:53] <x^2> although when i add their two voltages together
[18:53] <x^2> using a 270 ohm resistor, that is 20 mA
[18:53] <ShorTie> parallel would keep the voltage up, but would double the current draw
[18:53] <x^2> so i probably shouldn'tdo that
[18:54] <shiftplusone> voltage isn't current.
[18:54] <x^2> right
[18:54] <x^2> what i meant to ask was, does my current increase
[18:54] <x^2> if i have two in series
[18:54] <x^2> so i assume it doesn't then
[18:54] <shiftplusone> no
[18:54] <x^2> okay, cool
[18:54] <shiftplusone> x^2, memorise V=I * R (voltage is equal to current times the resistance).
[18:55] <x^2> alright
[18:55] <x^2> so then basically if i have a ton of LED's in series
[18:55] <shiftplusone> but do not apply it to LEDS, they don't have a resistance. Apply it to the resistor you have to figure out the voltage drop across is. Then whatever is left over is shared by the two leds.
[18:55] <x^2> off one GPIO pin, with a resistor
[18:55] <x^2> the only thing that's going to happen is they wont light up
[18:56] <shiftplusone> you won't have enough voltage to light them up.
[18:56] <x^2> right
[18:56] <x^2> i have a resistor
[18:56] <x^2> okay ,i understand then
[18:56] <shiftplusone> (the voltage an LED needs depends on its colour, mostly)
[18:56] <ShorTie> is not the 2 led's dimmer then the single led
[18:56] <x^2> yes
[18:56] <x^2> they are
[18:56] <x^2> that's why i didn't think it affected current.
[18:56] <x^2> and only affected voltage
[18:56] <ShorTie> that is because there is less voltage
[18:57] <ShorTie> correct, series is a voltage divider
[18:57] <ShorTie> where parallel is a current divider
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[18:58] <x^2> mhm
[18:58] <x^2> that makes perfect sense
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[19:02] <shiftplusone> x^2, can you follow this? You have a 270 ohm resistor and you should have a predefined volage drop across an LED. Let's say it's 1.2. You are supplying 3.3v from the pin and losing 1.2V in the LED. Meaning you have 2.1V left over. Then the current through the resistor (and therefore the whole line) is i=v/r = 2.1/270=7.7mA. If you add another LED, you are losing 2.4V to the LEDs, meaning you h
[19:02] <shiftplusone> ave 0.9V across the resistor. Then the current in the line is 0.9/270=3.3mA (so they are dimmer)
[19:03] <shiftplusone> In short, there is a change in current, but it's caused by the change in voltage.
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[19:04] <x^2> would the 'predefined voltage drop' across the LED be the voltage marked on the LED?
[19:05] <shiftplusone> it would be in the datasheet, but it's hard to find one without knowing the exact part number and manufacturer.
[19:05] <x^2> hmm ok
[19:05] <shiftplusone> so you can often estimate by the colour of the LED.
[19:05] <x^2> these ones just say 2.0V (red) and 2.1V (green) on the package
[19:05] <x^2> because they're bicolor
[19:06] <shiftplusone> So they're really operating out of spec then, as there's not enough voltage coming from the pin to power both of them.
[19:06] <x^2> You are supplying 3.3v from the pin and losing 1.2V in the LED. Meaning you have 2.1V left over
[19:06] <x^2> hmm
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[19:07] <x^2> ok
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[19:08] <x^2> although according to what was said
[19:08] <shiftplusone> that comes from Kirchoff's voltage law (the sum of all voltages in a closed circuit add up to 0). So you know the supply voltage (3.3v), you know the drop in one of the components. The difference between the two is what must be dropped in the rest (the resistor)
[19:08] <x^2> operating them outside of the spec would just make them dimmer
[19:08] <x^2> Ah, okay!
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[19:08] <shiftplusone> I would actually have predicted that if the LED says 2.0V on it, it would not light up if you put two of them in series.
[19:08] <IT_Sean> all this talk of electron herding is bringing back bad memories of EE101
[19:09] <x^2> it certainly does
[19:09] <x^2> just dimmer
[19:09] <x^2> lol, IT_Sean: i'm actually a computer science student myself
[19:09] <x^2> so i haven't learned any of this formally
[19:09] * IT_Sean hasn't been a student for a while
[19:09] <x^2> just a hobbyist
[19:09] <x^2> ah
[19:10] <x^2> well ive got a bachelors in 2 months
[19:10] <x^2> so im with ya soon
[19:10] * shiftplusone hasn't been a student for 4 months =D
[19:10] <x^2> hah
[19:10] <x^2> lucky you
[19:10] <x^2> :)
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[19:10] <x^2> did you study EE or something, shiftplusone
[19:10] <x^2> or just a hobbyist
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[19:10] <shiftplusone> Yeah, EE + Business Management. =/
[19:10] <x^2> hm cool
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[19:13] <trohrt> Would it be possible to tether (for lack of better word) my raspberry pi and use the internet from my raspberry pi via ethernet?
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[19:13] <shiftplusone> yes
[19:13] <trohrt> To my desktop computer running debian
[19:13] <shiftplusone> wait... depends
[19:14] <shiftplusone> where is the pi getting the connection from and how do you intend to pass it on?
[19:14] <trohrt> The pi has a wifi dongle connected to my router
[19:14] <shiftplusone> if the pi is getting its connection over wifi, you can forward it to the PC through ethernet, for example.
[19:14] <x^2> then yes
[19:14] <x^2> what i would do
[19:14] <trohrt> I'd like to connect the ethernet cable to the pi and then to the desktop
[19:14] <x^2> i would just ssh into it
[19:15] <x^2> unless you actually want the DE too
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[19:15] <trohrt> Nah, i just stay on the tty
[19:15] <linuxstb> So your Debian computer doesn't have internet access?
[19:15] <trohrt> Nope
[19:15] <x^2> oh..
[19:15] <trohrt> My debian desktop doesn't have a wireless card yet
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[19:15] <x^2> can't you plug ethernet cable into it?
[19:15] <trohrt> My router is downstairs, and my desktop is upstairs
[19:16] <x^2> well if you have no way of connecting your desktop to the internet, i don't see how you could connect
[19:16] <x^2> umm
[19:16] <x^2> one possibility
[19:16] <x^2> you could use one of those adapters that goes from the pins to USB
[19:16] <trohrt> I host a web server on my pi, so it needs to be connected to the internet full time
[19:17] <x^2> and then use Screen to get into it.
[19:17] <x^2> that'sprobably your best bet
[19:17] <trohrt> So the usb wifi dongle needs to be plugged into the raspberry pi full time
[19:17] <x^2> right
[19:17] <trohrt> I use my desktop for general web browsing/gaming/coding
[19:17] <x^2> if you did what i just said it would still work without internet on the desktop
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[19:17] <linuxstb> You can just connect the Pi and Desktop via an ethernet cable. You then need to configure both appropriately...
[19:17] <trohrt> Right
[19:17] <x^2> no idea how to do that
[19:17] <x^2> lol
[19:17] <trohrt> I have no idea to configure it
[19:17] <trohrt> Lol
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[19:18] <linuxstb> Does your Pi have a public IP address, or are you just port forwarding the web port (80) from your router?
[19:19] <shiftplusone> keep in mind you're not going to get great speeds.
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[19:19] <trohrt> I just need it for browsing the internet
[19:19] <x^2> http://pihw.wordpress.com/guides/direct-network-connection/
[19:19] <atouk> you may have to host on 8080 because some ISPs block 80
[19:19] <x^2> that's a guide for connecting the Pi and your computer w/ an ethernet cable
[19:20] <x^2> not sure if it works but im gonna try it later
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[19:21] <trohrt> I want to get my internet connection from my raspberry pi, not the other way around.
[19:21] <x^2> Oh.
[19:21] <x^2> really not sure then, im sorry
[19:21] <x^2> i would google around a little maybe
[19:21] <trohrt> That's fine, thanks for trying!
[19:21] <x^2> that sounds like something people might've done
[19:23] <x^2> hey shiftplusone i just wrote out what you said earlier about Kirchoff's law and calculating the mA
[19:23] <x^2> and i understand it now
[19:23] <x^2> and i have a follow up question
[19:24] <x^2> if i have one of these 2.0V LEDs in the circuit, then i have 1.3V 'Left over', so my current is 1.3/270 (since ive got a 270 ohm resistor)
[19:24] <x^2> so that's 0.004 amps, or 4mA
[19:24] <x^2> but
[19:24] <x^2> if i have two of those LEDs
[19:24] <x^2> i would apparently have negative voltage 'left over'
[19:24] <x^2> meaning that equation would give me a negative current
[19:24] <x^2> so..what does that mean
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[19:25] <SpeedEvil> x^2: The LEDs don't light
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[19:25] <x^2> SpeedEvil: but they do
[19:26] <x^2> and i'm using a 3.3V pin with a 270 ohm resistor
[19:26] <x^2> what i would expect to happen is that they wouldnt light
[19:26] <SpeedEvil> Are the LEDs in series?
[19:26] <x^2> yes
[19:26] <SpeedEvil> Are they blue LEDs?
[19:26] <gordonDrogon> they get dim...
[19:26] <x^2> they get dim
[19:26] <SpeedEvil> Otherwise they will likely somewhat light
[19:26] <x^2> but they light
[19:26] <SpeedEvil> Read the datasheet.
[19:26] <x^2> maybe im looking at the wrong voltage on the package
[19:26] <SpeedEvil> If it's a decent datasheet, it will give a current/voltage curve
[19:27] <x^2> hmm
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[19:27] <x^2> so is their voltage on the package not the voltage they actually use?
[19:27] <SpeedEvil> No.
[19:27] <shiftplusone> x^2, you would not actually have 'negative voltage'. It means you don't have enough voltage, which is why I predicted they wouldn't light up.
[19:27] <x^2> what is it then?
[19:27] <SpeedEvil> It's the voltage at maximum current
[19:27] <x^2> okay
[19:27] <SpeedEvil> or nominal current - 20mA
[19:27] <x^2> so in practice it might very well be lower
[19:27] <x^2> and that's why it lights up at all
[19:27] <SpeedEvil> At low current - .1mA say - it may be 80% or whatever of nominal.
[19:27] <SpeedEvil> But still quite visible
[19:28] <x^2> hmm, okay.
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[19:28] <x^2> so when i'm using voltage to calculate the current required from a pin
[19:28] <x^2> to power whatever i have hooked up to it
[19:28] <x^2> should i go by the max voltage on the package to be safe?
[19:28] <x^2> or would you normally actually look up the data sheet
[19:28] <x^2> and go by whatever's on that
[19:29] <SpeedEvil> If you apply the nominal current, you can expect the nominal voltage.
[19:29] <SpeedEvil> If you apply less than the nominal current then the voltage may drop. If it drops far enough, the LED won't be visible.
[19:29] <x^2> gotcha
[19:29] <SpeedEvil> (well, visible under its own light)
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[20:14] <Jeebiss> Hey guys, anyone have experience using an easydriver with a pi?
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[20:25] <Laseryoda> Hey everyone. How limited am I, power-wise, when using a HDD that is powered through USB?
[20:26] <IT_Sean> You will need a powered USB hub
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[20:26] <IT_Sean> Or will otherwise have to externally power the HDD
[20:26] <Laseryoda> So I cant just plug it in the RPI?
[20:26] <ShorTie> nop
[20:26] <Laseryoda> ok
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[20:28] <IT_Sean> No, the raspi will be unable to power it
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[20:30] <Laseryoda> So, technically, 3.5" HDD (externally powered) is simpler?
[20:30] <Laseryoda> U just gotta power it then plug it in the RPI?
[20:31] <Laseryoda> This RPI project is gonna cost more than I expected :(
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[20:33] <malfunct> how fast is the ethernet port on the pi?
[20:33] <ppq> malfunct, it's really slow
[20:33] <Laseryoda> The RPI has max transfer speeds of 2-7 Mbit/s right?
[20:35] <Laseryoda> through ethernet
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[20:36] <Laseryoda> MB/s*
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[21:30] <x^2> shiftplusone:
[21:30] <x^2> i have another question if you don't mind
[21:30] <x^2> what am i doing if i wire a 3V3 pin as the input to two LEDs in parallel
[21:31] <x^2> and then have one ground linked to both of them in parallel
[21:31] <shiftplusone> with 1 resistor for both or two?
[21:31] <x^2> one resistor for both
[21:31] <x^2> i assume im just increasing the current'
[21:31] <x^2> but m not sure
[21:31] <shiftplusone> you're right
[21:32] <x^2> it turns out before, those two LEDs were set up in the way i just described
[21:32] <x^2> so that's why they were alight
[21:32] <x^2> when i actually set them up in series correctly, they don't light up
[21:32] <x^2> which makes sense
[21:32] <shiftplusone> hurray, I am not crazy.
[21:32] <x^2> haha
[21:33] <x^2> i wont do that anymore
[21:33] <x^2> i doubt i was exceeding 15 mA by much
[21:33] <x^2> if at all
[21:33] <rikkib> 6mA per pin
[21:33] <x^2> someone just told me not to exceed 15m
[21:33] <x^2> 15 mA per pin
[21:33] <x^2> you're saying 6?
[21:33] <rikkib> 6mA per pin to be safe
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[21:34] <x^2> wow
[21:34] <shiftplusone> rikkib, where are you pulling that from?>
[21:34] <x^2> now i don't know what to believe, haha
[21:34] <rikkib> Buffers are required for RPi gpio
[21:34] <rikkib> The e wiki
[21:34] <x^2> don't i only need buffers if im going to exceed that amperage?
[21:34] <shiftplusone> x^2, I suggest you go to the source and get the information from the horses mouth.
[21:34] <x^2> if im really only hooking up like, a single LED per gpio pin
[21:35] <shiftplusone> x^2, http://www.scribd.com/doc/101830961/GPIO-Pads-Control2
[21:35] <x^2> then i dont see an issue
[21:35] <x^2> oooo
[21:35] <shiftplusone> " All the electronics of the pads are designed for 16mA. That is a safe value under which youwill not damage the device. Even if you set the drive strength to 2mA and then load it so16mA comes out that will not damage the device. Other than that there is no guaranteedmaximum safe current."
[21:35] <shiftplusone> but do not exceed a total of 50mA from all pins
[21:35] <x^2> thats good to know
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[21:36] <IT_Sean> basically, the GPIO is designed to interface with a controller... it is not designed to directly drive high-current devices such as servos, or motors, etc...
[21:37] <rikkib> at 16 mA per pin = 3 pins driven or sinking
[21:37] <x^2> i do know that, IT_Sean
[21:37] <gordonDrogon> note that "drive strength" doesn't mean what you think it might mean...
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[21:37] <x^2> thats why i'm only using it for LEDs right now, heh.
[21:37] <x^2> i figure i won't blow my toy up with that :p
[21:37] <gordonDrogon> you can pull 35ma out of a Pi pin (or push it into it)
[21:37] <x^2> o_O
[21:37] <gordonDrogon> and more...
[21:37] <shiftplusone> (but don't)
[21:37] <x^2> that sounds like a bad idea from my 2 days of experience
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[21:38] <rikkib> 6mA = 8 pins
[21:38] <gordonDrogon> most of the time it causes the Pi to reboot.
[21:38] <x^2> really
[21:38] <gordonDrogon> most of the time.
[21:38] <x^2> breaking the pins in the process?
[21:38] <gordonDrogon> some of the time it caues the magic black smoke to leave.
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[21:38] <x^2> or is that a safety mechanism to prevent that
[21:38] <x^2> ah
[21:38] <rikkib> I can vouch for that...
[21:39] <gordonDrogon> the "drive strength" is the amount of current you call pull out of a Pi's pin and guarantee that pin is still at a logic 1 level.
[21:39] <rikkib> < current = reboot as long it is momentary
[21:39] <gordonDrogon> the default drive strength allows for 8mA.
[21:40] <gordonDrogon> when you pull more than 8mA then the output voltage starts to fall to a level lower than what's considered logic 1.
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[21:40] <gordonDrogon> so pulling 16mA is fine, but that's not fine if you also connect another 3.3v logic device to it - it may not see a logic 1 - despite LEDs being lit up.
[21:41] <rikkib> 8mA hence safe level fr buffers about 6mA
[21:41] <x^2> so when people are driving like, stepper motors w/ these things
[21:41] <x^2> they're normally using a controller to do it
[21:41] <gordonDrogon> yes.
[21:41] <x^2> or just putting the load somewhere in between
[21:41] <x^2> thought so
[21:41] <rikkib> Anyway that is what I aim for due to the fact I drive lots
[21:41] <x^2> the most i really want to hook up is like a temperature/moisture sensor
[21:41] <x^2> not sure which common ones are suitable, if any
[21:41] <gordonDrogon> get the cheap rht03 or equivalents.
[21:42] <gordonDrogon> they take virtually no current and are ok.
[21:42] <x^2> so people directly control them w/ gpio?
[21:42] <x^2> if they use that little current
[21:42] <gordonDrogon> the rht03's yes.
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[21:42] <rikkib> I only draw a little 3.3v power from gpio (nR24 atm). Everthing else is powered externally
[21:42] <x^2> i just looked up the RHT03, it says it's only 1-1.5mA measure current
[21:42] <x^2> that is really low
[21:43] <rikkib> I ha an AM2302
[21:43] <gordonDrogon> http://unicorn.drogon.net/pi17leds.jpg
[21:43] <gordonDrogon> I think the am2302 is compatible.
[21:43] <x^2> that's a lotta LEDs
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[21:43] <gordonDrogon> that 17 LED picture is pulling off the 3.3v supply.
[21:43] <rikkib> Works no prob with Gordons s/w
[21:43] <gordonDrogon> about 10mA per LED.
[21:43] <x^2> each one connected to a different pin, right?
[21:44] <rikkib> wow
[21:44] <x^2> hard to tell
[21:44] <x^2> from the picutre
[21:44] <gordonDrogon> so there's 170mA going through the Pi on the 3.3v rail.
[21:44] <gordonDrogon> yes. one on each of the 17 GPIOs.
[21:44] <x^2> isnt that bad
[21:44] <x^2> to have 170mA going out total
[21:44] <rikkib> extremely
[21:44] <x^2> sounds like you might fry it
[21:44] <x^2> ...
[21:44] <gordonDrogon> *shrugs*
[21:44] <rikkib> Fatal one could say
[21:44] <gordonDrogon> I did a lot of testing in the early days.
[21:45] <gordonDrogon> That was my first Pi. It took some abuse.
[21:45] <IT_Sean> and released some magical blue smoke as i recall, gordonDrogon. :p
[21:45] <gordonDrogon> no.
[21:45] <x^2> im sure mine will take some abuse as well
[21:45] <IT_Sean> No? None?
[21:45] <gordonDrogon> I've yet to have a Pi of my own actualyl fai.
[21:45] <x^2> my setup looks a lot like yours
[21:45] <IT_Sean> Not even a single pin?
[21:45] <x^2> little tiny breadboard and some random leds
[21:45] <gordonDrogon> nope. all still working.
[21:45] <x^2> just not as many
[21:45] <x^2> :p
[21:45] <IT_Sean> huh
[21:45] <gordonDrogon> I have one Pi that won't reboot though - needs a power cycle.
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[21:46] <gordonDrogon> so something might have gone awol somewhere, but ..
[21:46] <rikkib> I have 9 RPi. Abusing them is expensive
[21:46] * IT_Sean has two
[21:46] <rikkib> Plus all the stuff that go with them
[21:47] <gordonDrogon> I have 7 right now. I gained one a few weeks ago at a show.
[21:47] <gordonDrogon> old Rev 1 with a missing capacitor.
[21:47] <gordonDrogon> actually, I might do a test to the death on it.
[21:47] <IT_Sean> I have a (lightly modified) Model A, and a pretty much bone stock Model B.
[21:47] <gordonDrogon> but I've shorted gpio pins in the past. The Pi comes with a GPIO pin handilly shorted for testing too...
[21:47] <rikkib> http://www.zlham.geek.nz/images/news/rpi-sys1.jpg
[21:47] <rikkib> Update pic
[21:48] <gordonDrogon> that's hosted on a Pi, isn't it...
[21:48] * gordonDrogon waits for the photo to load... slowly...
[21:48] <rikkib> No
[21:48] <gordonDrogon> you have dialup then?
[21:48] <rikkib> only have 100Kbps adsl
[21:48] <rikkib> out
[21:49] <rikkib> 1Mbps in
[21:49] <gordonDrogon> a-ha.
[21:49] <rikkib> adsl 1
[21:49] <IT_Sean> you have potatonet
[21:49] <rikkib> its a big pic
[21:49] <IT_Sean> adsl 1 = potato internet
[21:49] <rikkib> NZ has bad service
[21:50] <rikkib> run down
[21:50] <ryt0l> speaking of hosting sites on a pi, is there anyone here I can ask a couple questions regarding that?
[21:50] <rikkib> focus on rural atm to get high speed wireless
[21:50] <IT_Sean> just ask your questions, ryt0l. If someone can answer, they will.
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[21:50] <rikkib> country towns like mine get what thet are given
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[21:51] <rikkib> with no time line for upgrade
[21:52] <ryt0l> I have Wordpress installed on my Pi. I'm able to open port 80 on my router, but when I go to my IP it loads EXTREMELY slow and with no style to the page, it looks like HTML only
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[21:53] <ryt0l> browsing around my Wordpress install by using my Pi's ip on another computer on my network is speedy
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[21:57] <ShorTie> almost sounds like your provider has it either throttled or blocked if it works ok locally, but just a guess
[21:57] <ryt0l> that's what I was wondering
[21:58] <ShorTie> normally need a commercial account for port 80 to work right, you know, the old money thingy
[22:00] <ryt0l> i assumed it would be an all or nothing type of thing
[22:00] <rikkib> I have fixed ip adls with rDNS
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[22:01] <rikkib> I run all my own services accept dns which I still have full control via registrar web interface
[22:01] <rikkib> Breakfast in NZ 10am
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[22:09] <shiftplusone> aah! aaaah! just ran rm * in a directory I wasn't meant to run it! Two days of work! D=
[22:10] <ShorTie> oops
[22:10] <Nexuist> and that my friends is why you never rm * before pwd
[22:11] <ShorTie> ya, pwd is your friend
[22:12] <dakira> ShorTie: backups, too.
[22:12] <ShorTie> true true
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[22:15] <x^2> ugh
[22:15] <x^2> that sucks man
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[22:16] <Nexuist> although setting up daily backups for a pi seems a bit extreme
[22:16] <rikkib> OK... I know the nRF24 I have hooked to my MC9S08 devel board is working and in PRX mode as it is resetting the micro when I ping it from a RPi. Interrupts are enabled in the S08 which COP's out as interrupt routing not right...
[22:17] <rikkib> routine
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[22:18] <rikkib> Must be just a few lines of code to get a ping pong thnigy going
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[22:21] <shiftplusone> well... recovered half of it at least.
[22:21] * ShorTie hopes it was the good hafe
[22:21] <shiftplusone> no, the other one =(
[22:22] <ryt0l> so if port 80 is blocked by my ISP, is there a way of circumventing that and still be able to host a site on the pi
[22:22] <ShorTie> port 8080 normally works
[22:22] <shiftplusone> you can always host on another port
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[22:24] <ryt0l> that still needs to be port forwarded right?
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[22:24] <ShorTie> yup.
[22:25] <ryt0l> seems kind of stupid that they would block port 80 because they don't want you hosting sites on a residential connection but leave other ports open for you to do it on?
[22:27] <nid0> why? not many people host sites on non-standard ports, and if they do theyre probably not sites intended to be public and so isp's dont care so much
[22:27] <ShorTie> they just trying to stop you from having a normal com, org, net .... site
[22:27] <plugwash> well not being able to use port 80 means that everyone wanting to visit has to use the port number
[22:27] <ryt0l> ah
[22:27] <ryt0l> lol
[22:28] <ryt0l> that kind of defeats the purpose then
[22:28] <nid0> you could always see if 443 is open and if so just use ssl
[22:28] <nid0> or get a better isp
[22:28] <plugwash> Having to type a port number is tolerable for remote admin pages etc but not many people would want to do it for a public website
[22:28] <ryt0l> most ISPs block 80 from what I've read
[22:28] <ryt0l> also, you have a choice in ISP, I'm jealous
[22:28] <nid0> they dont
[22:28] <nid0> not in the uk at least
[22:29] <nid0> only cheap crummy ones do
[22:29] <ryt0l> I'm not in the UK
[22:29] <ryt0l> yeah I wanted a public website
[22:30] * plugwash looks and notes ryt0l is on comcast
[22:30] <nid0> time to host it elsewhere then
[22:30] <ryt0l> I've read that people can still hose from the pi even when port 80 is blocked, I just don't understand how they're doing it.
[22:30] <plugwash> you might want to look at comcast buisness, from what I gather it doesn't have silly restrictions on servers and depending on locality it's often not much more expensive
[22:30] <ShorTie> or kick up the extra bucks for a commercial account
[22:31] <ryt0l> i may as well buy hosting if im gonna do that
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[22:32] <ryt0l> if you've ever had to deal with comcast, you wouldn't ever want to deal with Comcast again for any reason
[22:33] <nid0> its ok, we've only been waiting 15 years for browsers to start supporting SRV records and make things like silly port restrictions go away, give it another decade or 3 and we might get there
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[22:45] <clever> is it safe to connect a 4.7k pullup to 5v on a gpio pin?, the resistor should limit the current, but does it limit it enough to prevent damage?
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[22:46] <clever> it would be under 1mA under even the worst conditions
[22:46] <shiftplusone> a pullup from 3.3v pin to 5v ?
[22:47] <clever> shiftplusone: the pullup on the device is wired to the 5v bus
[22:47] <clever> the source itself is open collector
[22:48] <clever> shiftplusone: https://www.sparkfun.com/datasheets/Widgets/OBD-II-UART-v13.pdf pin 14 on the first page
[22:49] <clever> if my math is right, it would be drawing 1.064mA if i set the gpio to output low, and even less if its set as an input
[22:49] <shiftplusone> It will work, but it's a bad idea. Current doesn't affect the dielectric strength of the silicon oxide.
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[22:49] <clever> does it have any clamping diodes like the avr?
[22:49] <shiftplusone> Hang on, there was a definitive answer on this from gert, lemme go find it.
[22:50] <clever> i suppose i could put a diode inline with it to drop the voltage some, but that may not work with the open collector stuff
[22:51] <shiftplusone> IIRC there are diodes, but they're not enough. The pi was designed to be 5v tolerant for very specific applications and gert used to tell people that if they connect a series resistor, they won't damage the pi, but the broadcom people said no, it's not 5v tolerant and should not be treated as such. But let me find the technical details.
[22:51] <clever> thats why i thought a 4.7k resistor on the pullup would maybe be safe
[22:52] <clever> same idea as a series resistor
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[22:54] <shiftplusone> clever, I think they're not allowed to say exactly what is and isn't present in terms of the clamping diodes, and the short answer is "It is NOT safe!"
[22:54] <clever> ah
[22:54] <shiftplusone> (but in practice, it will work... I don't know for how long though)
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[22:54] <clever> if i put a diode in backwards, so it blocks all of the 5v, and then add my own 3.3v pullup on the pi side
[22:55] <clever> the open collector tx should pull thru the diode and gnd that 3.3v pullup also
[22:55] <clever> i could also desolder R25 and just modify it to be a 3.3v pullup
[22:56] <clever> dang, no part id on the silkscreen!!
[22:56] <ShorTie> the resistor is a current limiting device, has nothing to do with voltage
[22:56] <shiftplusone> where could you put the diode without modifying the actual module?
[22:56] <clever> shiftplusone: between the pi and the module
[22:57] <clever> so current can only flow from the pi rx into module tx
[22:57] <ShorTie> it doesn't work if you just use 3.3v in stead of 5v ??
[22:57] <clever> ShorTie: onboard 5v reg, from 12v
[22:57] <shiftplusone> ShorTie, the module has 5v hard-wired
[22:57] <ShorTie> oh
[22:57] <clever> it takes 12v directly from the car, and makes its own 3.3v and 5v bus
[22:58] <clever> the tx pullup is wired to 5v
[22:58] <clever> ShorTie: i was thinking along the lines of the current going thru the gate transistor, to make it register as a high signal
[22:58] <ShorTie> and of course it's a sureface mount not thru hole
[22:58] <clever> that current would be enough to keep the voltage from building up to dangerous levels
[22:59] <shiftplusone> clever, you can also find a rather heated discussion on this here http://www.raspberrypi.org/phpBB3/viewtopic.php?f=28&t=63362
[22:59] <clever> and with a 4.7k series resistor, it would not have enough current to do so
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[23:04] <clever> 'Going back to this particular circuit - the resistor DOES NOT decrease voltage to 3.3V, but limits the current through the protection diode mentioned above. In other words, this resistor might save protection diode not to blow, but DOES NOT prevent chip core to be stressed with 5V as long as you provide logic "1" on the input.'
[23:04] <clever> shiftplusone: and with a 4.7k resistor, thats 0.362mA of extra power going into the vcc rail
[23:04] <clever> which will raise vcc to 5v and fry the chip if its not consumed somewhere
[23:05] <clever> but the pi is consuming over 300mA, and that should also raise the voltage at the regulator, causing it to servo and output less current, keeping the voltage at a sane level
[23:06] <clever> the biggest issue i can see, is if you happen to do this when the pi is unpowered
[23:06] <clever> it would try to draw a full 1.064mA thru that pin and power the entire system
[23:06] <clever> but even 1.064mA doesnt feel like it would damage the protection diode?
[23:06] <shiftplusone> NASA also has a rather detailed paper dealing with dielectric breakdown http://trs-new.jpl.nasa.gov/dspace/bitstream/2014/40791/1/08-05.pdf
[23:07] <clever> if it was drawing 1.064mA, then you would have a 5 volt drop across the resistor
[23:07] <clever> so the voltage at the pi would be 0
[23:07] <clever> no dielectric breakdown possible at 1.064mA
[23:09] <clever> and the reply after the one i quote agrees with me
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[23:11] <basketball> only red power light turns on
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[23:11] <shiftplusone> basketball, sd
[23:11] <basketball> what do you mean
[23:12] <basketball> i am remaking sd now
[23:12] <shiftplusone> I don't know, you didn't give much to go by. D=
[23:12] <shiftplusone> Is this a raw image or NOOBS?
[23:13] <basketball> raw raspbian
[23:13] <shiftplusone> win32diskimager or dd?
[23:13] <basketball> dd
[23:13] <clever> shiftplusone: hmmm, the reply on the 16th at 11:51 am says that his pi lacks protection diodes!!
[23:13] <basketball> dd bs=1M if=2014-01-07-wheezy-raspbian.img of=/dev/mmcblk0p1
[23:14] <clever> basketball: you must write it to the raw disk, not partition 1
[23:14] <basketball> oh
[23:14] <basketball> how do i do that
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[23:14] <clever> drop the p1 at the end of that command
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[23:14] <basketball> ok i am running that
[23:14] <shiftplusone> clever, the reply from awagner?
[23:15] <clever> shiftplusone: yeah
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[23:15] <shiftplusone> the guy is arrogant and makes a lot of assumptions, so I wouldn't trust what he says too much, although he is an academic and does that sort of thing professionally.
[23:15] <phire> aren't the protection diodes built into the SOC?
[23:16] <clever> phire: no datasheets telling us a solid answer
[23:16] <clever> also, wb!
[23:17] <clever> shiftplusone: there is then another quote that seems to back up what you said, 'Gert has said that the ESD protection on the BCM2835 is not rated for any continuous current: viewtopic.php?p=126547#p126547'
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[23:18] <shiftplusone> I don't care to think about it too much, since it just seems like bad design in the first place.
[23:19] <phire> So those protection diodes will protect you from ESD, and absolutely nothing more
[23:19] <shiftplusone> and given that it's a major point of disagreement within the professional community, I doubt I will come to some enlightened conclusion.
[23:19] <clever> phire: thats the impression i'm getting from this port
[23:20] <clever> post*
[23:20] <phire> if you need proper protection diodes for any reason, add external ones
[23:21] <clever> i'm trying to use a board that has an open collector tx pin
[23:21] <clever> but they added a 5v 4.7k pullup on it
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[23:23] <plugwash> I guess the wire cutters option doesn't appeal?
[23:24] <clever> surface mount 4.7k
[23:24] <clever> and the silk screen doesnt say which one
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[23:28] <basketball> clever, i just did to raw sd and it still only power light
[23:29] <clever> basketball: after you dd it over, does fdisk list a valid partition table?
[23:29] <basketball> shiftplusone,
[23:29] <basketball> clever, how do i check
[23:29] <clever> fdisk -l /dev/mmcblk0
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[23:30] <basketball> http://paste.ubuntu.com/7116723/
[23:30] <clever> yeah, that looks valid
[23:30] <clever> now mount the 1st partition and check that it contains the boot files
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[23:31] <basketball> command
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[23:33] <basketball> clever,
[23:33] <plugwash> clever, add an 8.2K pull down
[23:33] <clever> plugwash: ah, that may work
[23:34] <basketball> clever, what do i run
[23:34] <phire> mount /dev/mmcblk0p1 /mnt/
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[23:35] <basketball> phire, mount: you must specify the filesystem type
[23:36] <phire> odd, usually it auto-detects
[23:36] <clever> yeah
[23:36] <Zylinx> wow usb cables actually do make a huge difference :o
[23:36] <shiftplusone> that would indicate it's borked.
[23:36] <phire> eject the card and re-insert
[23:36] <shiftplusone> or maybe he doesn't have fat32 support for some reason.
[23:37] <shiftplusone> ah, ejecting the card... good idea (partprobe would've also worked)
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[23:38] <Zylinx> can anyone recomment a good PSU for the raspberry pi ?? i have like 3 adapters here rated betwene 750ma and 2.1 A and none seem to hold up niceley
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[23:38] <shiftplusone> Zylinx, what country?
[23:38] <basketballl> phire, now what
[23:38] <Zylinx> south africa
[23:38] <shiftplusone> no idea then
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[23:38] <phire> basketballl, it probally mounted automatically
[23:39] <Zylinx> i can order online tho, just the make/model
[23:39] <basketballl> phire, ok so now what do i run
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[23:40] <shiftplusone> Zylinx, any Samsung/HTC >1A charger, most Apple chargers, a powerpax charger, something UL listed, something from Farnell. In short, a power supply from a company that you can sue if it burns down your house.
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[23:41] <Zylinx> thanks shiftplusone :)
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[23:41] <phire> basketballl, type mount to see what has been mounted
[23:42] <basketballl> http://paste.ubuntu.com/7116765/
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[23:43] <basketballl> phire, ^^
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[23:44] <shiftplusone> basketballl, First do what clever and phire are saying to make sure the card is sane. However, I actually think it's just an incompatible card. You can try plugging it into the pi and holding it down to the board with your thumb as you power it up and see if the ACT LED flashes at all. But first listen to the others.
[23:45] <basketballl> shiftplusone, i have used this card before
[23:45] <basketballl> i am just reinstalling as i havent used pi in like 6 months
[23:46] <phire> yeah, lets plug it in and test
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[23:47] <Zylinx> my pi keeps rebooting but i cant tell if its the voltage coz my multimeter doesnt update very fast its just an average. but it seems to sit at 4.82 to 4.93. should i continue to investigae power issues? in XBMC i set the performance profile to super (it was on normal) but it didnt seem to become MORE unstable
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[23:47] <kay-z> Evening
[23:48] <Zylinx> and if i backpower the Pi aswell i can get up to 4.95 V and it still reboots :|
[23:48] <kay-z> I'm trying to get avahi to broadcast it's presesence to my local network but so far no dice. are there special things that have to be done to enable it on a 'pi ?
[23:49] <clever> kay-z: when i installed it, it just worked
[23:49] <shiftplusone> Zylinx, are you plugging a wifi stick in or anything like that?
[23:49] <Zylinx> yes wifi dongle
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[23:49] <Zylinx> it gets pretty hoy
[23:49] <Zylinx> hot*
[23:49] <shiftplusone> no powered hub?
[23:49] <kay-z> clever: what os?
[23:49] <clever> kay-z: rasbian
[23:49] <Zylinx> i have a powered hub as i mentioned backpowering thats when i connect the powered hub
[23:50] <shiftplusone> Zylinx, strange =/
[23:50] <kay-z> clever: me too. I don't ever see it show up on the sidebar of my mac's finder and going to pi.local fails
[23:50] <clever> kay-z: i would check with the command line tools next, avahi-browse -a
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[23:50] <clever> but mac may not have that?
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[23:51] <Zylinx> ie Tablet charger(1.6A) + backpower from powered hub (2.1A) i get around 4.95V but still reboots when messing around in the menus quikly while content is playing
[23:52] <Laseryoda> Hey all. Will http://www.seagate.com/gb/en/external-hard-drives/desktop-hard-drives/expansion-hard-drive/?sku=STBV2000200#specs work well as a HDD for RPI?
[23:53] <Zylinx> maybe its my SD card? its the second one iv had to buy (this time a very expensive one for me) its a SanDisk Extreme 8GB SDHC I class 10 card
[23:54] <kay-z> clever: mac equiv found it.
[23:54] <kay-z> clever: weird that it doesn't show up
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[23:54] <clever> kay-z: ps aux|grep avahi
[23:55] <clever> is it running on the pi?
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[23:55] <shiftplusone> Zylinx, the sd wouldn't cause reboots.
[23:55] <kay-z> clever: yep. avahi-daemon running [rpi.local] and avahi-daemon: chroot helper
[23:56] <clever> kay-z: try restarting the service maybe?
[23:56] <shiftplusone> Zylinx, a reboot implies a surge of power that the supply and circuitry can't cope with. Does it happen without the wifi stick?
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[23:56] <kay-z> clever: well, i got it responding to rpi.local for ssh, but not the x session
[23:57] <basketballl> clever, phire and shiftplusone ok it finished dd what do i do
[23:57] <phire> Zylinx, 4.95v should be fine
[23:57] <basketballl> shiftplusone, yes the act blinked green
[23:57] <Zylinx> phire what about 9.81 is that calling it close ?
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[23:58] <shiftplusone> Zylinx, you'll only see problems under 4.75, and even then it won't be reboots, but hanging.
[23:58] <DoctorD90> guys, what is the real difference between a pin ...any pin of gpio, and sda pin?
[23:58] <phire> my pi is running fine at 4.53v
[23:58] <phire> (which I'm not entirely about)
[23:58] <phire> (which I'm not entirely *happy* about)
[23:59] <shiftplusone> phire, without ethernet, right?
[23:59] <phire> with ethernet
[23:59] <shiftplusone> and it's stable?
[23:59] <Zylinx> shiftplusone, ok thanks, i think first im going to find some kind of stress test script so i can reproduce my reboots corectly
[23:59] <DoctorD90> sda is used for pwm, but if i set in my code to change value of a pin, with a timer, it will change each X ms ....i dont very understand
[23:59] <phire> it's stable
[23:59] <shiftplusone> phire, that's odd. O_o

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