#raspberrypi IRC Log


IRC Log for 2014-03-20

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[0:01] <K1Hedayati> ok, i guess the problem was with my router
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[0:02] <K1Hedayati> i connected rpi to laptop and i had connection all the time
[0:05] <blockh34d> hey cool
[0:05] <blockh34d> maybe you need to change a setting in your router's config
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[0:08] <K1Hedayati> blockh34d: like what? but i also connected that port to my laptop and didn't have problem with laptop
[0:08] <K1Hedayati> :(
[0:09] <blockh34d> hmm what's that one upmp? icmp? something like that
[0:09] <blockh34d> it's a sort of network plug and play i guess, that might be a factor
[0:10] <K1Hedayati> blockh34d: you say that i should change icmp setting in my router?
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[0:10] <blockh34d> nono you could get in some troubles if you're not careful
[0:10] <blockh34d> it's not icmp anywyas thats something else
[0:10] <blockh34d> sec lemme look a second
[0:10] <K1Hedayati> ok, thanks
[0:11] <blockh34d> who made your router?
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[0:11] <K1Hedayati> tp-link
[0:11] <isasha> wtf my space key doesn't work
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[0:11] <blockh34d> UPnP is the setting
[0:11] <isasha> itjustblinkswheneverIpushspace
[0:11] <blockh34d> if its on, try turning it off. if its off, try turning it on.
[0:11] <K1Hedayati> r u sure?
[0:11] <isasha> any ideas?
[0:11] <K1Hedayati> why?
[0:12] <isasha> right now I have to paste space :/
[0:12] <blockh34d> for the answer to that and many other questions I would suggest googling UPnP
[0:12] <blockh34d> it would be my next guess based on the problems you have described
[0:12] <blockh34d> isasha no hah thats lil screwy eh
[0:12] <blockh34d> borked up that terminal i'd say, new window!
[0:13] <isasha> yeah but I just realised that I meant to type this in the #ubuntu channel seeing as this is on my laptop, sorry
[0:13] <blockh34d> K1Hedayati: maybe something else on the network is affecting your router, like if you have internet connection sharing enabled on a windows machine how it tries to become a router? sometimes that can mess up your network in subtle ways, sometimes not so subtle
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[0:14] <K1Hedayati> there was security issue about this and i have disables UPnP
[0:14] <blockh34d> well there you go, mystery solved.
[0:14] <K1Hedayati> I have linux
[0:14] <K1Hedayati> I should enable it>
[0:14] <K1Hedayati> ?
[0:14] <ppq> you can also try a different firmware for your router. openwrt is great
[0:14] <sventoby> Do powered USB 3.0 hubs not work with pi? people in the comments for what I bought said it did but mine doesn't seem to be recognized
[0:15] <blockh34d> i keep thinking about trying that ppq
[0:15] <K1Hedayati> ppq: it is awsome but i can't :(
[0:15] <K1Hedayati> not supported
[0:15] <ppq> K1Hedayati, is your device not supported or why is that
[0:15] <ppq> blockh34d, do it, it's worth the time
[0:15] <K1Hedayati> my device not supported
[0:15] <blockh34d> sweet i think that's gonna motivate me to do it
[0:15] <blockh34d> for years its sounded like a good project
[0:16] <blockh34d> my network has been mostly one or two devices tho lately, hardly worth the effort lol
[0:16] <ppq> that actually is the way i got into embedded linux things
[0:16] <blockh34d> right on rpi is my first with embedded linux
[0:16] <blockh34d> but i've admin'd servers remotely since 90's, so it's similar, and I used ubuntu for a long time
[0:17] <blockh34d> i LOVE my rpi
[0:17] <blockh34d> it's so freaking cool i use it more than any of my other 'real' computers even though they are all more powerful
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[0:17] <blockh34d> the rpi goes to the big screen nicely, makes no noise, it's just great.
[0:18] <blockh34d> also I actually think it plays a 1080p rip better than my laptops can
[0:19] <K1Hedayati> http://www.upnp-hacks.org/
[0:19] <K1Hedayati> http://www.forbes.com/sites/andygreenberg/2013/01/29/disable-a-protocol-called-upnp-on-your-router-now-to-avoid-a-serious-set-of-security-bugs/
[0:19] <K1Hedayati> http://www.howtogeek.com/122487/htg-explains-is-upnp-a-security-risk/
[0:19] <K1Hedayati> http://www.zdnet.com/how-to-fix-the-upnp-security-holes-7000010584/
[0:20] <blockh34d> best security: unplug everything from everything else, power it down, go fishing
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[0:21] <K1Hedayati> blockh34d: +1
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[0:21] <blockh34d> hah thanks. just saying, life is full of risks
[0:22] <blockh34d> maybe you could see what UPnP is doing behidn the scenes and then do that manually
[0:22] <blockh34d> i honestly don't know
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[0:23] <blockh34d> the pages i'm reading on upnp say its only a risk outside of hte lan. so enabled only for lan, if thats an option, should be "safe"
[0:23] <blockh34d> theres really no such thing as security though
[0:23] <blockh34d> your keyboard could have a government funded spy device built into it
[0:24] <[Saint]> There's really no way to safely implement UPnP.
[0:24] <K1Hedayati> not in my country :))
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[0:24] <[Saint]> K1Hedayati: hah...yeah, you keep thinking that.
[0:25] <blockh34d> [Saint]: haha took the words out of my mouth
[0:25] <blockh34d> NSA installs cottonmouths on mostly outbound machines
[0:25] <blockh34d> infrastructure for internation large networks
[0:25] <[Saint]> This comical view that only the US/UK governments are spying on their citizens is amusing at best.
[0:25] <[Saint]> And people often forget which countries their communications are routed through.
[0:26] <blockh34d> well the us/uk spy on far more than jsut their citizens
[0:26] <blockh34d> we're pretty much watching everyone now, I guess.
[0:26] <sney> some governments have pretty big limits on how much spying they can afford to fund
[0:26] <blockh34d> except the watchers. no one watchs the watchers
[0:26] <blockh34d> that is why it will all burn down
[0:26] <[Saint]> sney: which is why they collaborate.
[0:26] <K1Hedayati> blockh34d: no diffrence, network halted again :(
[0:27] <blockh34d> hmm well you're on the trial anyways
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[0:27] <blockh34d> so whats different between those two setups?
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[0:27] <K1Hedayati> blockh34d: nothing actually
[0:27] <[Saint]> That link is amusing.
[0:28] <[Saint]> "How to fix UPnP security holes"
[0:28] <blockh34d> google 'cottonmouth nsa' for interesting photos of what we install in HP servers etc when they're shipping overseas
[0:28] <[Saint]> ...hahaha, yeah, sure.
[0:28] <blockh34d> K1Hedayati: nah there's something. One works and the other doesnt, thats a good starting point :P
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[0:29] <[Saint]> blockh34d: heh, yeah - when that story blew up a did a big "Awwwwwwwwwwww yissss!"
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[0:29] <[Saint]> People had been telling me I was nuts for years for building my own cables.
[0:30] <blockh34d> haha just cause you think they're all out to get you doesn't mean they're not.
[0:30] <blockh34d> there is so much freaky black tech out now
[0:31] <blockh34d> makes me want to make all my own everything, from the ground up, 3d printing, custom circuit boards, etc.
[0:31] <blockh34d> but even then i gotta use someones chips, and they'd prolly sneak it in the gpu or something
[0:31] <blockh34d> you know they can install virus's that hide in the bios and can survive complete reformats?
[0:31] <blockh34d> security is a myth
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[0:32] <[Saint]> The really fun one is HDD controllers thatcan run linux and provide MITM attacks.
[0:32] <blockh34d> gonna have to look into that, new one to me
[0:32] <blockh34d> sounds like it coudl be right brutal though
[0:32] <[Saint]> http://spritesmods.com/?art=hddhack
[0:33] <blockh34d> cottonmouth honestly makes me want to riot though
[0:33] <blockh34d> why the heck would tax dollars every pay for that stupidity
[0:33] <blockh34d> what good could possibly come of it? absurd.
[0:33] <[Saint]> Because citizens are the enemy of every government.
[0:34] <blockh34d> unfortunate
[0:34] <blockh34d> anarchy ftw
[0:34] <blockh34d> it's jsut better anyways. If we're all the same, we all fall to the same magic bullet
[0:34] <blockh34d> but if we're all wildly different, it will take many different magic bullets to take us all out
[0:35] <K1Hedayati> damn! no way. i am tired and this not working
[0:35] <blockh34d> K1Hedayati: maybe other fix?
[0:35] <K1Hedayati> it's 3 am here, i have to sleep
[0:35] <blockh34d> hacky fix
[0:35] <K1Hedayati> blockh34d: i don't know, i should spend time on that
[0:35] <blockh34d> you make it sound like once some transfer has happened, it works
[0:35] <K1Hedayati> and see where is the problem
[0:36] <blockh34d> so i would think, have rpi start transfer, a little, when it boots
[0:36] <blockh34d> or something like that
[0:36] <K1Hedayati> may be
[0:36] <blockh34d> you should sleep though
[0:37] <blockh34d> everything easier with rest
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[0:37] <blockh34d> good luck!
[0:37] <K1Hedayati> yes
[0:37] <K1Hedayati> thank you for help
[0:37] <blockh34d> thanks for conversation
[0:37] <K1Hedayati> have nice day :)
[0:37] <blockh34d> the ghetto is boring!
[0:38] <K1Hedayati> ow, you are italian?
[0:38] <blockh34d> no, american, in Ohio
[0:38] <blockh34d> Ohio is mostly one big ghetto now
[0:38] <K1Hedayati> OIC
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[0:39] * [Saint] finds it hard to follow that thought process.
[0:39] <blockh34d> between outsourcing and oxycontin, ohio got pretty messed up
[0:39] <K1Hedayati> ok, have boring day there :D
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[0:39] <blockh34d> haha bet
[0:39] <[Saint]> "the ghettos is boring"; "are you Italian?"
[0:39] <[Saint]> ...wut? 0_o
[0:39] <blockh34d> lol ok so it's not just me
[0:40] <K1Hedayati> ok, i am going to sleep, good night ;)
[0:40] <blockh34d> anyone want to beta test my video audio player app? I'll send a copy to anyone that sends a request to greyworld@gmail.com
[0:40] <blockh34d> gnite
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[0:41] <blockh34d> i think it's pretty snazy, for a little python script.
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[0:57] <TheBison> Is there any way I can dev on an emulated environment and export an image of the disk to an SD card when I'm ready to run on live hardware? I'm constantly maxing out resources when I do things like compiling binaries. Very frustrating.
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[0:58] <shiftplusone> there's always cross-compiling
[0:58] <TheBison> Well, even tasks like apt-get upgrade are frustrating to wait so long for...
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[0:58] <shiftplusone> even QEMU on a half decent computer runs faster than a pi overlocked to 1GHz
[0:59] <TheBison> QEMU...
[0:59] <TheBison> It'll emulate the arm architecture?
[0:59] <shiftplusone> not much you can do about apt-get, it's just going to be slow. It's not too bad in a qemu chroot (usermode emulation), but I am not sure it's worth it.
[0:59] <shiftplusone> yeah qemu copes with the pi's cpu just fine.
[1:00] <TheBison> I'm thinking of spinning up a high-CPU/memory instance AWS EC2 instance or something... Whatever it takes to speed up my development.
[1:01] <shiftplusone> I think a combination of cross-compiling and a qemu chroot is what you're after.
[1:01] <shiftplusone> it'll take a bit of learning to get it going though
[1:02] <TheBison> Thanks! I'm going to look into that.
[1:02] <[Saint]> One thing you might want to look at is making /tmp a RAMdisk
[1:04] <TheBison> I set up a 1GB swap file... Still really slow for most of the tasks I'm trying to perform.
[1:04] <shiftplusone> swap on a pi is not a good thing
[1:05] <TheBison> I'm aware of the implications of flash memory wear, but I figured it would be OK as a temporary solution just while I'm trying to develop. SD cards are cheap enough.
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[1:07] <[Saint]> swapping is a *really* bad idea on the pi.
[1:07] <[Saint]> This is likely one of the reasons why you're running into trouble.
[1:08] <[Saint]> If you *must* use swap...make it a tiny RAMdisk.
[1:08] <[Saint]> swap on sd? Yeah...no thanks.
[1:08] <TheBison> Well, gcc was running out of memory and terminating when I wasn't using a swap file.
[1:09] <[Saint]> rasbian, by default, manages its own swap anyway.
[1:09] <[Saint]> (but tries VERY hard not to use it)
[1:10] <[Saint]> It uses dphys swap, with a swapfile, not a partition.
[1:10] <[Saint]> So you might find you have a swapfile left over hanging around.
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[1:11] <[Saint]> You also probably want to install ccache
[1:11] <TheBison> hm, I'm looking at ccache now.
[1:11] <sventoby> question: will a USB 3.0 hub work with pi if it says it's 1.1/2.0 backwards compatible?
[1:12] <ShorTie> ccache is ok, but not really needed
[1:12] <[Saint]> ShorTie: spoken like someone that doesn't do much compiling.
[1:12] <[Saint]> ccache is invaluable.
[1:12] <ShorTie> it will not fix a gcc running out of room
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[1:12] <[Saint]> Find me where I said it would.
[1:13] <[Saint]> I'll wait.
[1:13] <ShorTie> i really never saw much difference with it
[1:13] <ShorTie> never said you did, sorry
[1:14] <[Saint]> Basically, if <object> didn't change? WHy compile it again. Pull it from cache and move on.
[1:14] <[Saint]> This can speed up compilation *immensely*
[1:15] <TheBison> Well, I'm looking into QEMU right now... If I go that route for development, can I literally create an image of the FS, write it to an SD card and it will run fine on the Pi?
[1:15] <ShorTie> i think it was ffmpeg i neded to install the dphys swap file to get to compile
[1:15] <[Saint]> TheBison: Yes.
[1:16] <TheBison> Great, that sounds like the best option at this point. Can scale up to as much compute power as I need on an EC2 instance.
[1:16] <ShorTie> ya, it can speed things up, if your compiling the same thing over and over and over again
[1:16] * [Saint] notes that ccache won't make a lick of difference the /first/ time you compile something.
[1:16] <[Saint]> subsequent times, however.
[1:18] <[Saint]> Oh. Awesome. Disembodied bird head. Nice. Thanks, cat.
[1:19] <[Saint]> Just what I neded.
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[1:24] <shiftplusone> TheBison, i think you will find qemu pretty slow
[1:24] <TheBison> :/
[1:25] <[Saint]> Pretty slow, but, faster than the pi itself.
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[1:25] <[Saint]> Depending how much computing power the host can throw at it.
[1:25] <shiftplusone> it will work for all your apt needs, but not so much when you want to compile quicly
[1:25] <shiftplusone> *quickly
[1:25] <TheBison> I've been waiting about an hour for bitcoind to finish compiling... There has to be something better than this.
[1:25] <[Saint]> It _should_ still be quicker than native compilation.
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[1:26] <shiftplusone> on qemu you will wait 45 minutes instead of an hour.
[1:26] <shiftplusone> maybe 55
[1:26] <[Saint]> Depends on the host.
[1:27] <shiftplusone> hence the 45-55 minute range =P
[1:27] <TheBison> EC2 scales up pretty high. We'll see how it performs.
[1:27] <shiftplusone> but yeah, give it a go
[1:27] <shiftplusone> and then do it properly. >.>
[1:27] <[Saint]> crosscompilation really is the go here, yes.
[1:27] <[Saint]> But that does nothing to solve the apt woes.
[1:28] <[Saint]> Hilariously, though, it may well be that dd'ing the image back and forth negates any time saved.
[1:28] <[Saint]> ANd of course you also need to add a few hours for setup that you won't get back...
[1:28] <shiftplusone> I suppose the idea is to dd only once you're thoroughly happy with the image.
[1:29] <[Saint]> makes updating a PITA.
[1:30] <TheBison> dd is rough, yeah... but
[1:30] <[Saint]> apt-get update is the bit that really hurts, and you can't know whether its worth updating on or off the device until after its done.
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[1:30] <TheBison> I can use an SD card duplicator like this instead of dd, once I have an image I'm happy with: http://www.amazon.com/Systor-Systems-microSD-Drive-Duplicator/dp/B001D8GEEE
[1:30] <[Saint]> you'd need to have a LOT of packages pending to warrant doing it off device.
[1:30] <shiftplusone> quite an investment
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[1:32] <Jeebiss> Could someone quickly take a look at this and explain why my 2 embedded loops only seem loop once
[1:32] <Jeebiss> http://pastebin.com/U2DBbkC0
[1:32] <shiftplusone> j in range.... 48 or 0, 48 ?
[1:33] <hybr1d8> because you are 'break'ing out at the end of the first run
[1:33] <Jeebiss> oohhh
[1:33] <Jeebiss> duh
[1:33] <shiftplusone> ah, whoops
[1:33] <[Saint]> the break.
[1:33] <[Saint]> ah, crap.
[1:34] * [Saint] once again, is "too late guy".
[1:34] <shiftplusone> python syntax is weird
[1:35] <Jeebiss> That seems to have fixed it
[1:35] <Jeebiss> shiftplusone: i agree fully
[1:36] <shiftplusone> especially when it comes to decorators and the way list filtering works... and using dictionaries instead of a switch statement. O_o
[1:37] <[Saint]> “It took us 2,000 years to find Noah's Ark. Do we ever find flight 370?”
[1:37] <[Saint]> Hahahaha...Fox.
[1:37] <shiftplusone> rofl!
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[1:38] <ShorTie> get tired of hearing all the guessing on it really
[1:39] <shiftplusone> good for ratings and everything
[1:39] <shiftplusone> who needs actual news
[1:39] <ShorTie> ya, really
[1:39] <ShorTie> spoil our minds
[1:39] <[Saint]> "Y'all gots anymore of them...facts?" <-- Every news station right now.
[1:40] <[Saint]> I want a LOST type ending. Where we find out all the passengers were already dead.
[1:41] <[Saint]> And Flight 370 is limbo. Errr. SOmething. I didn't really think this through.
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[1:47] <Jeebiss> So I have a spinning motor now.
[1:47] <Jeebiss> However it seems to inconsistently skip steps =\
[1:47] <Jeebiss> http://pastebin.com/xNnkJZLU
[1:47] <Jeebiss> Thats my current code.
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[1:48] <Jeebiss> The loop itself fires each time, but the motor skip steps
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[1:54] <pksato> Jeebiss: stepper motor?
[1:54] <Jeebiss> Yeah, using an EasyDriver
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[1:55] <pksato> EasyDriver?
[1:55] <Jeebiss> https://www.sparkfun.com/products/10267
[1:55] <Jeebiss> I really hoped this thing would be the solution to my stepper driving problems.
[1:56] <pksato> ok... need to send a direction and step pulse.
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[1:57] <Jeebiss> Right, that part seems to be working
[1:57] <Jeebiss> It just randomly doesnt step
[1:57] <Jeebiss> This may be a loose wiring issue, hold on
[1:58] <pksato> code seen to ok.
[1:58] <pksato> Its is for bipolar motor.
[1:58] <pksato> four wires.
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[1:59] <Jeebiss> Right
[1:59] <Jeebiss> It is bipolar, and I identified the 2 coils
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[2:01] <Jeebiss> I think i have crappy solder connections
[2:02] <pksato> or one of coils are inverted.
[2:02] <Jeebiss> Wouldnt that make it not turn at all?
[2:05] <pksato> or skip step, or revert. I dont know, I never used a bipolar motor. Only unipolar.
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[2:35] <shiftplusone> Ouch, sparkfun have to destroy 2000 multimeters worth 20k D=
[2:37] <hybr1d8> serves them right for making them yellow - everyone know yellow multimeters are made by some random other company that no-one cares about :P
[2:38] <shiftplusone> Hey, I like my Fluke D=
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[2:39] <shiftplusone> Mostly because it was given onto me by the almighty Dave Jones of EEVBlog, but still >.>
[2:39] * [Saint] only just realized what D= is
[2:40] <[Saint]> Apparently I need to go to emoji school.
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[2:40] * [Saint] considers said emoji to be "backwards" and therefore had a very hard time "seeing" it.
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[2:41] <shiftplusone> (=
[2:41] * nx5 is now known as nx5_off
[2:41] <[Saint]> ...I'm on to you now. Won't work.
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[2:42] <shiftplusone> damn
[2:43] * [Saint] just laughed way to hard to himself imagining the visually impaired being all like "D equals what? WHAT!?!"
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[2:44] <shiftplusone> heh
[2:45] <Poison[BLX]> [Saint]: It could be worse. First time I made sense of the non-sideways written, non-kirby style... I actually had to give up and ask the person wtf I was looking at...
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[2:46] <[Saint]> Now that I think of it more, I imagine that emoji are awful for screen readers.
[2:47] <[Saint]> "Haha, yeah lol semicolon slash p"
[2:48] <[Saint]> Make Internet people seems less literate than they are already.
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[2:53] <Poison[BLX]> is that even possible?
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[4:26] <blockh34d> just curious, do many people here still use/watch the pistore for app/game additions?
[4:26] <[Saint]> Did anyone ever?
[4:27] <[Saint]> (for a broad definition of "anyone")
[4:27] * shiftplusone couldn't care less about pistore.
[4:27] <[Saint]> I always got the impression that about 3 people used it.
[4:27] <[Saint]> and "used" is a deliberate past tense there.
[4:28] <[Saint]> "apt-cache search" is my pistore. :)
[4:28] <shiftplusone> It could've been good if they based it on something like ubuntu software centre rather than... a web browser. Even then I still would use apt directly.
[4:29] <tonsofpcs> pistore, that's where I send money to make MPEG2 work, right?
[4:29] <[Saint]> Its a place you can do so, yes.
[4:29] <tonsofpcs> I'm pretty sure that's its only purpose (well, that and VC1)
[4:29] <shiftplusone> tonsofpcs, no
[4:29] <[Saint]> s/work/work with hardware assistance/
[4:29] <shiftplusone> tonsofpcs, pistore has nothing to do with the codecs.
[4:30] <[Saint]> ShorTie: I'm pretty sure you could buy licenses from there at one point.
[4:30] <[Saint]> Or, possibly still.
[4:30] <[Saint]> errr, shiftplusone, even.
[4:30] <[Saint]> (sorry ShorTie)
[4:30] <tonsofpcs> shiftplusone: oh
[4:30] <tonsofpcs> then what's the 'store' that sells licenses?
[4:31] <shiftplusone> just raspberrypi.com
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[4:31] <tonsofpcs> ah, "Raspberry Pi Store" v "The Pi Store"...
[4:31] <shiftplusone> simple
[4:32] <shiftplusone> no possibility of confusion at all
[4:32] <[Saint]> Right, that's what I was remembering.
[4:32] <tonsofpcs> and not the same TLD and 2LD either... oh, wait...
[4:32] <[Saint]> Yeah, that is confusing as Hell.
[4:32] <tonsofpcs> maybe I should sell my thermostat code on the pi store
[4:33] <[Saint]> Then all 3 people that use it will see it!
[4:33] <tonsofpcs> [Saint]: you, shiftplusone, blockh34d, and myself - that's 4! :-p
[4:34] <tonsofpcs> this guy is making a killing selling his app: http://store.raspberrypi.com/projects/timewaster
[4:34] <[Saint]> The thing that irks me is that ~90% of the products and applications marketed "for raspberry pi" are really "for linux".
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[4:35] <[Saint]> And it creates a weird bubble where people can't find what they're looking for as they assume it needs to be pi specific.
[4:35] <tonsofpcs> eh, my thermostat ues the gpio library.
[4:35] <[Saint]> Right. But you know what I mean I hope.
[4:36] <[Saint]> Like, "wireless dongle for raspberry pi"...only ~50% markup from a similar generic product that would also work.
[4:36] <[Saint]> WHat a bargain!
[4:38] <[Saint]> It seems like you can take any generic linux code, product, hardware, service, whatever, add "for Raspberry Pi" to it, and charge 50~100% more for it.
[4:38] <[Saint]> Preying on the unaware/uninformed/uninitiated.
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[4:39] <mdszy> Wish the pi worked with 5V logic :C
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[4:39] <[Saint]> trivial to work around.
[4:39] <mdszy> True, but it's another part I'm gonna need to buy.
[4:41] <[Saint]> Pffffffft. Just start pulling wire from your neighbors house while they're out and start making coils until you've built yourself a resistor.
[4:41] <[Saint]> (hint: don't do this)
[4:42] <mdszy> lol
[4:42] <mdszy> I wish it were as simple as a voltage divider, only I need this to go two ways.
[4:42] <[Saint]> Ah.
[4:43] <[Saint]> Yeah, right. That further complicates things.
[4:43] <[Saint]> There's readymade plug-and-go solutions for this, but...additional cost, indeed.
[4:43] <mdszy> mhm.
[4:43] <mdszy> Thankfully logic shifters exist.
[4:44] * [Saint] wants this kickstarter campaign to hurry up and be a thing and for his Microview to ship
[4:44] <[Saint]> I've been thinking of a number of things I could display on its tiny OLED
[4:45] <SirLagz> like ?
[4:45] <[Saint]> Primary use case for me is for pending IRC notifications when no clients are online.
[4:45] <SirLagz> you actually get IRC notifications ? I don't haha
[4:46] <[Saint]> SirLagz: this one's free
[4:46] <[Saint]> Next one'll cost 'ya.
[4:46] <SirLagz> I need a free SMSing service.
[4:46] <SirLagz> so I can get an SMS whenever one of my servers go down
[4:46] <[Saint]> People still use SMS?
[4:47] <SirLagz> why wouldn't they >?
[4:47] <ryt0l> PEOPLE TEXT MESSAGE, WUT?!
[4:47] <[Saint]> I don't think I've sent an SMS in a year or so.
[4:47] <SirLagz> hell of a lot easier for someone to SMS me their address than for them to tell it to me for me to write it down :P
[4:47] <[Saint]> Possibly longer.
[4:48] <[Saint]> Right, but...mobile data.
[4:48] <blockh34d> yah so pistore not getting a lot of use
[4:48] <SirLagz> Right, but free texts...
[4:48] <blockh34d> bummer i gotta make some money i was scoping it out for invasion
[4:48] <SirLagz> save my data for important things like IRC: P
[4:48] <tonsofpcs> I actually found a bunch of 14 pin multiple-transistor ICs in parts bins from work (now at the makerspace) rated for 'high voltage' (up to like 50VDC). AKA microcomputer relay driver chips
[4:48] <blockh34d> i think it needs some good unique games
[4:49] <[Saint]> SirLagz: Oooooh, right, are you in one of the backwards places where having to limit mobile data is an actual thing?
[4:49] <SirLagz> [Saint]: ahahah. yes.
[4:49] * [Saint] forgets such places still exist
[4:49] <tonsofpcs> (they're old enough that when they were made the idea of a computer running in an office was farfetched)
[4:49] <blockh34d> thats something a rpi specific store would be good for anyways, so developers would know exactly what the hw specs were going to be
[4:49] <SirLagz> [Saint]: It's called Australia. :P
[4:49] <[Saint]> I am constantly amazed that NZ is beating the pants off AU wrt: tech adoption
[4:49] <SirLagz> [Saint]: so am I.
[4:49] <[Saint]> We were in your shadow for so long.
[4:49] <[Saint]> So long.
[4:49] <tonsofpcs> blockh34d: market penetration is so low, there's no reason to make anything pi-specific
[4:50] <SirLagz> bloody government holding us back
[4:50] <shiftplusone> A 200MB mobile plan doesn't get me far.
[4:50] <ryt0l> isn't AU full of right wing religious nuts?
[4:50] <[Saint]> The fiber rollout is really bloody embarrasing.
[4:50] <blockh34d> tonsofpcs: thats what i'm thinking
[4:50] <SirLagz> [Saint]: the Au NBN ?
[4:50] * [Saint] nods
[4:50] <shiftplusone> ryt0l, just the current government.
[4:50] <blockh34d> so i'm wondering about a broader sort of game client that works on a variety of rpi like machines
[4:50] <SirLagz> ryt0l: isn't *everywhere* full of right wing religous nuts ? :P
[4:50] <hybr1d8> I'm hopefully getting it in the new few weeks (finally)
[4:50] <blockh34d> ie what if i made something that was cross compatible with beaglebone black
[4:50] <SirLagz> [Saint]: yep. I hate the government for the retarded internet we have now.
[4:51] <SirLagz> Though I'm finally back up to around 12mbit
[4:51] <blockh34d> and had a windows / desktop client that could play the same games
[4:51] <blockh34d> i get that far in the idea of a plan and i think nah that stoo much never see a return off that much development
[4:52] <SirLagz> wait no...back down to 8mbit :(
[4:52] <[Saint]> I was talking about this a while ago with a friend of mine, and he noted the same thing, regarding the government and its shortcomings. But then I pointed out that well before fiber was considered economically viable, AU had absolutely zero interest in upgrading the copper infrastructure to handle VDSL.
[4:52] <[Saint]> And, VDSL would be greatly appreciated in AU right now methinks.
[4:52] <hybr1d8> Better than here - 1.5Mbit 3g connection is all I can get currently
[4:52] <[Saint]> But now there's this whole "But...but...fiber" mentality.
[4:52] <SirLagz> [Saint]: it wasn't AU had no interest. Telstra owned all the infrastructure, and no one wanted to pay telstra for the upgrade
[4:52] <blockh34d> lol timewaster app wtf
[4:52] <[Saint]> So no one wants to do the necessary upgrading that should have been done a decade ago.
[4:53] <SirLagz> and telstra didn't want to upgrade it without them being paid to upgrade it
[4:53] <SirLagz> it's been on and off since 2003
[4:53] <[Saint]> We have the same massive telecom monopoly here.
[4:53] <SirLagz> [Saint]: is the incumbent government owned or private ?
[4:53] <[Saint]> Except out telco noted that faster lines and less congestion equals happier customers.
[4:53] <hybr1d8> A monopoly is not the problem - A lazy monopoly is
[4:54] <[Saint]> And happier customers directly equates to more revenue.
[4:54] <SirLagz> except Telstra was charging the most out of all ISPs, and were blocking other ISPs from accessing exchanges, and all this other crap
[4:54] <[Saint]> AU seemed to have got their copper up to a point where it was "good enough" for basic telephony, and then stopped.
[4:55] <[Saint]> Whatever the reason behind it, its sucks for the consumer.
[4:55] <SirLagz> rather than laying proper cables to new estates, they would install pair gain systems
[4:55] <SirLagz> which would then limit ADSL access
[4:55] <SirLagz> If AU Government had never sold off Telstra, we'd be in a much better place.
[4:56] <SirLagz> or had sold off Telstra's Retail arm, and kept the infrastructure arm
[4:57] <SirLagz> Telstra's been rolling out Fibre for years. but none of the other bigger providers wanted to pay for the infrastructure when they could use Telstra's at a much cheaper price.
[4:57] <SirLagz> Telstra's copper infrastructure that is
[4:57] <[Saint]> I see it as a bit of a no brainer. A telco is only ever going to be as good as its lines and infrastructure allow.
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[4:57] <SirLagz> bingo.
[4:57] <[Saint]> One would think keeping up with advances there benefits all.
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[4:58] <SirLagz> One of the main reasons why Telstra's Mobile network is actually pretty damn good. They've kept up with technology - mostly
[4:58] <[Saint]> I must admit I was surprised when AU managed to roll out LTE coverage before we did.
[4:59] <SirLagz> yeah I hate Telstra's Price for mobiles, but love the speed of 4G
[4:59] <[Saint]> But we were held back by our dinosaur attitude towards terrestrial television.
[4:59] <[Saint]> We needed to clear up the spectrum first.
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[4:59] <SirLagz> we only finished that last year i think, or this year
[4:59] <[Saint]> We were still very attached to analogue transmission up until very recently.
[4:59] <[Saint]> A few spots in NZ still are.
[4:59] <SirLagz> my 4G mobile is faster than my ADSL at home lol...
[5:00] <[Saint]> Is LTE "officially" 4G now?
[5:00] <SirLagz> they've been calling it LTE 4G in AU.
[5:00] <[Saint]> I remember AU getting into hot water about those claims a while back.
[5:00] <SirLagz> er
[5:00] <SirLagz> They've been calling LTE 4G
[5:00] <[Saint]> Its really more like 3.5G
[5:01] <SirLagz> true
[5:01] <SirLagz> but it's been 3.5G since HSPDA+
[5:01] <[Saint]> Probably actually something like 3.5.1G :)
[5:01] <SirLagz> really
[5:01] <SirLagz> haha yeah
[5:01] <[Saint]> Do you guys actually do HDSPA+?
[5:01] <SirLagz> I was working at telstra when HSDPA was first being rolled out
[5:01] <SirLagz> back in the days when 3.6MBit was awesome wireless speed
[5:01] <SirLagz> [Saint]: Telstra do
[5:02] <SirLagz> not sure about the other providers
[5:02] <[Saint]> Aha. TIL.
[5:02] <SirLagz> TIL ?
[5:02] <[Saint]> We have a similar situation here, where Telecom does HDSPA+, but no other providers do.
[5:03] <[Saint]> Possibly something to do with the fact that it is literally impossible to send any form of telecommunications without touching Telecom's network.
[5:03] <[Saint]> They probably have a "thou shalt not" claus.
[5:03] <SirLagz> from what I remember, the other providers jumped onto LTE without doing the intermediate HSDPA+ stuff
[5:03] <[Saint]> TIL "Today I Learned"
[5:03] <SirLagz> I could be wrong though
[5:04] <SirLagz> ah right
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[5:05] <[Saint]> Its rather sad in a way that no one seems to make the connection that all the other providers in NZ are leasing Telecom's lines, infrastructure, cell towers, all of the above...and obviously they need to pay for this, and they can still give very competitive prices, and still pay their staff, fund advertising campaigns, etc. etc., and obviously they aren't taking a loss, else they wouldn;t exist.
[5:06] <[Saint]> Moral of the story being "The price of telecommunications, is too damn high!"
[5:06] <rahul__> Hii all
[5:06] <rahul__> I got my Bluetooth headphones worked there :D
[5:06] <rahul__> Over Rpi..
[5:07] * [Saint] waits for the "but..."
[5:07] <shiftplusone> rahul__, please, this is a telecommunications channel now... apparently.
[5:07] <[Saint]> :)
[5:07] <rahul__> But it isn't recordin audio, I did arecord --device=bluetooth -r 48000 -f s16_le test.wav
[5:07] <rahul__> its making a file test.wav but no audio there
[5:07] <rahul__> [Saint]: :D
[5:08] <[Saint]> I knew it. No one ever comes in and says "Hi guys, I did this and everything works as intended and I need no further assistance at all." :)
[5:09] <SirLagz> [Saint]: too right.
[5:09] <SirLagz> [Saint]: bloody telecomms needs to be overhauled
[5:10] <rahul__> [Saint]: B'coz, we are under assistance, and what knowledge we gains, if anyone needs here we help :/
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[5:11] <[Saint]> rahul__: have you tried capture at a different sample rate?
[5:11] <[Saint]> I would be surprised if the headset outputs at 48kHz.
[5:11] <rahul__> [Saint]: i tried 16000 instead..
[5:12] <rahul__> [Saint]: but it isn't giving any output in test.wav
[5:12] <rahul__> just a blank file
[5:13] <rahul__> [Saint]: what must be the sample rate for BT headphones?
[5:14] <[Saint]> I'm guessing its going to be either 22kHz or 44.1kHz
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[5:15] <[Saint]> But realistically this shouldn;t matter.
[5:15] <rahul__> yes
[5:16] <rahul__> me too think so,
[5:16] <rahul__> do i have to add some thing more in my asoundrc file/
[5:16] <rahul__> ?
[5:16] <tonsofpcs> hmm, my thermostat pi just hard crashed and isn't booting now... this is the same pi that kept hard crashing running openelec...
[5:17] <rahul__> [Saint]: http://pastebin.com/w0E8Lqe5 this is my asoundrc file
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[5:19] <tonsofpcs> interesting, failed in the middle of writing a line to the log file
[5:22] <blockh34d> tonsofpc's i guess you already checked your power supply?
[5:22] <blockh34d> then you rechecked it? twice?
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[5:22] <tonsofpcs> blockh34d: I think it's a bad pi. I replaced it with a different one for openelec and haven't had any issues with the other
[5:22] <blockh34d> i had some issues once with my pi not wanting boot while some stuff was plugged into usb. unplugging everything fixed it
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[5:23] <tonsofpcs> oh, I got it to boot again, just let it sit for a few minutes
[5:23] <tonsofpcs> it isn't a happy pi
[5:23] <[Saint]> I'm guessing this is more of an "sdcards are a really crappy idea for an operating system storage medium" thing.
[5:23] <blockh34d> could still be buggy powersupply actually
[5:23] <tonsofpcs> I'll grab one of my spares from the makerspace tomorrow.
[5:23] <blockh34d> maybe the newer pi just has slightly better machining
[5:23] <tonsofpcs> blockh34d: I've used 4 different power supplies
[5:23] <blockh34d> and SD cards?
[5:23] <tonsofpcs> the replacement pi for openelec is actually an older one
[5:23] <tonsofpcs> yes, many different SD cards.
[5:24] <blockh34d> well then it's sounding liek hardware failure ya
[5:24] <tonsofpcs> I have four pis, this is the only one (other than one I received DOA that I swapped out) that I've ever had such issues with and I've now had issues in two different situations
[5:24] <blockh34d> thats funny though i haven't seen a whole lot of that with these
[5:24] <tonsofpcs> I didn't catch when it failed just now but when openelec was failing on it, it felt like all the chips were baking
[5:24] <tonsofpcs> even tried heatsinks, that didn't help. replacement pi works without heatsinks (although I do have a bag I should put some on it)
[5:25] <blockh34d> hmmm yah heat could be an issue
[5:25] <blockh34d> how overclocked is it?
[5:25] <blockh34d> none by now i guess eh
[5:25] <[Saint]> heat syncs do very little due to the part of the SoC you actually want to cool being several layers down on a stacked chip.
[5:26] <blockh34d> what would be a better way to cool that [Saint] ? air flow?
[5:26] <[Saint]> you can afford to lap a few tenths of a millimeter off the SoC, though.,
[5:26] <[Saint]> blockh34d: it shouldn't need any cooling at all.
[5:27] <[Saint]> 85C, the thermal shutdown limit, is *well* within the safe operating range for the SoC.
[5:27] <blockh34d> i've had slight issues with fully overclocked rpi's running opengl apps at 100% cpu for long times
[5:27] <[Saint]> It feels hot to a human, heck, even 40C feels hot to a human, but, the hardware couldn;t care less.
[5:27] <blockh34d> slight enough i couldnt for sure say it was thermal issue
[5:28] <blockh34d> but it was an issue, it was fatal, and the chip was hot. Keeping it cooler, the issue has not recurred
[5:28] <[Saint]> Sounds more like confirmation bias.
[5:28] <blockh34d> ok good to know thanks
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[5:28] <blockh34d> is that like placebo?
[5:28] <[Saint]> Kinda.
[5:29] <blockh34d> gotcha yah could be
[5:29] <blockh34d> insuffecient data
[5:29] <blockh34d> anyone know about hooking up multiple cameras to one rpi?
[5:29] <blockh34d> even if only accessing maybe one at a time?
[5:29] <blockh34d> although multiple at once would be perfect
[5:30] <[Saint]> If the SoC gets anwhere near an unsafe temperature it will firstly disable overclocking and dynamic scaling (at 80C), and secondly *panic* and thermal shutdown (85C).
[5:30] <blockh34d> talking about rpi cam btw not webcam
[5:30] <blockh34d> ic thats good to know, thanks
[5:30] <[Saint]> But those temperatures are well inside the operational range of the SoC.
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[5:31] <[Saint]> I usually ask people to consider cellular phones.
[5:31] <[Saint]> At first, that can cause puzzlement.
[5:31] <blockh34d> i have arrived at puzzlement
[5:31] <[Saint]> But people often quickly note that their phone can be massively more compute intensive, and is crammed into a tiny plastic shell with no air flow whatsoever.
[5:32] <blockh34d> yah i guess that's true
[5:32] <blockh34d> cellphones still puzzle me though
[5:32] <blockh34d> and magnets. HOW DO THEY WORK?
[5:33] <[Saint]> I don't think its any coincidence that the first three letters of magnet and magic are the same. #magnetconspiracytheory
[5:34] <blockh34d> i've got most of a sweet headset made
[5:34] <blockh34d> it's got stereo displays, one rpi per eye and one camera per ye
[5:34] <blockh34d> and its currently bullet resistant
[5:35] <blockh34d> i'd like to get it more like predators helmet though
[5:36] <blockh34d> where each eye actually has several kinds of cameras it can cycle between
[5:36] <[Saint]> Sounds like a recipe for an epileptic fit machine.
[5:36] <blockh34d> oh yah just wearing the prototype around a few minutes made me crosseyed i think
[5:36] <blockh34d> but it was really cool
[5:37] <blockh34d> it was like i was standing right there! except... I was!
[5:37] <blockh34d> i think i'd have to write my own camera app though if i want to do any sort of processing of the data
[5:37] <blockh34d> and that's when rpi would be not enough to get the job done
[5:38] <[Saint]> I find headsets are weird with head tilting, as your eyes level themselves gyroscopically across the horizontal plane (seriously, look in a mirror and try it!), whereas the cameras don't.
[5:38] <blockh34d> hmm good point
[5:38] <blockh34d> my thought was to use a ring of cameras and reconstruct the view ala google street view
[5:39] <blockh34d> not sure how much that would change things
[5:39] <[Saint]> That's one of the reasons people get motion sickness with headset rigs.
[5:39] <blockh34d> also i thought maybe the helmet would be totally fused to the upper body, like juggernauts helmet a little
[5:39] <[Saint]> it messes up what you see compared to what you feel.
[5:39] <blockh34d> then inside that helmet you wear a smaller headset and can move your head around freely
[5:40] <[Saint]> regarding self levelling eyes, if you haven't seen the effect, I highly advice looking into a mirror right now to try it. Tilt your head to either side whilst maintaining eye contact with yourself.
[5:40] <[Saint]> Your eyes auto-level. Its kinda creepy looking.
[5:40] <blockh34d> i will try that, it sounds neat
[5:41] <blockh34d> but not right now, because i am lazy
[5:41] <[Saint]> :)
[5:41] <blockh34d> hey
[5:41] <blockh34d> gimme app ideas
[5:41] <blockh34d> what does the rpi need
[5:41] <blockh34d> i will make any app if enough people make it clear they want it
[5:42] <blockh34d> thinking about 3d scanning apps, maybe i could make a knock off of david laserscanner especially for rpi's
[5:42] <[Saint]> http://www.app-o-tron.com/
[5:42] <blockh34d> or maybe a sorta strippped down fruityloops for rpi?
[5:42] <blockh34d> does anyone floop anymore?
[5:43] <blockh34d> i think i'm the last person that likes techno anywhere in this hemisphere
[5:43] <[Saint]> Dubstep's where its at now, brah.
[5:43] <blockh34d> omg appotron where have you been my whole life
[5:43] <blockh34d> haha dubstep was
[5:43] <blockh34d> then fidget came in
[5:43] <blockh34d> and was cool for about a week
[5:44] <blockh34d> until moombahton totally killed it
[5:44] <blockh34d> and now its back to techno
[5:44] <blockh34d> lol i just call all that crap techno
[5:44] <blockh34d> i love it but it all sounds the same to me
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[5:45] <blockh34d> appotron says "Don't Touch the Frogs Revenge"... PERFECT
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[5:46] <[Saint]> I got "Meat bicycle surgery"
[5:47] <blockh34d> don't forget their 20% of the profits
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[5:47] <blockh34d> they did all the work you couldnt
[5:47] <blockh34d> big picture types
[5:47] <blockh34d> so are people flying around drones with rpi's yet?
[5:48] <blockh34d> seems like a great usage for them
[5:48] <blockh34d> slap a gps on that thing and it's ready to guide a cruise missle
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[5:48] <[Saint]> Snowball would be a better candidate.
[5:48] <blockh34d> guided snowball?
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[5:48] <[Saint]> It already has GPS, BT, gyroscope, accelerometer...etc.
[5:49] <blockh34d> !google snowball
[5:49] <blockh34d> oh well
[5:49] <blockh34d> if i google snowball some sorta porn is gonna pop up
[5:49] <blockh34d> and it's probably gross
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[5:50] <[Saint]> http://malideveloper.arm.com/develop-for-mali/st-ericssons-nova-a9500-snowball-low-cost-development-board/
[5:50] <blockh34d> hey thanks
[5:51] <[Saint]> currently HEAVILY discounted.
[5:51] <[Saint]> (1/6 original price)
[5:51] <[Saint]> $50 USD (35 EUR)
[5:52] <blockh34d> wow that'd be perfect
[5:52] <blockh34d> i should slap one of those onto a camera
[5:52] <blockh34d> for perfect 3d overlays
[5:52] <blockh34d> ohhh there's a cool rpi project
[5:52] <blockh34d> cause rpi cameras are surprisingly nice
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[5:53] <blockh34d> rpi plus gps plus accelerometer = 3d tracking camera
[5:53] <blockh34d> those snowballs look sweet though
[5:53] <blockh34d> 50 bucks is dirt cheap for that
[5:54] <blockh34d> waht would be a good board to handle many camera inputs all at once?
[5:54] <blockh34d> or if not many, several
[5:54] <blockh34d> or if not several, an ability to select one at a time from several
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[5:55] <blockh34d> haha it's got a pressure sensor
[5:56] <blockh34d> that's a real all purpose device there
[5:56] <[Saint]> http://www.calao-store.com/epages/61428605.sf/en_GB/?ViewObjectPath=%2FShops%2F61428605%2FProducts%2F905-00024-B01
[5:56] <[Saint]> here 'ya go, practically impossible to find where to buy from from STE/Linaro themselves.
[5:56] <[Saint]> At 35.00 €, its hard to not buy one.
[5:56] <blockh34d> bookmarked, thanks
[5:57] <[Saint]> (approx $51 USD)
[5:57] <blockh34d> what's that like beans or chickens or something?
[5:57] <blockh34d> what do yall use for money over there? beads?
[5:57] <blockh34d> lol j/k i like to make fun of all things foreign because its dumb
[5:57] <[Saint]> Here? NZD. :)
[5:57] <blockh34d> dumb people do that so i like to make fun of it
[5:58] <blockh34d> i'm so jealous
[5:58] <blockh34d> i would love to live in NZD
[5:58] <blockh34d> gotta be one of the prettiest places in the world
[5:59] <blockh34d> i think parts of south carolina could actually give it a run for its money though
[5:59] <blockh34d> seen hunger games? south carolina
[5:59] <blockh34d> are there any sort of raspberry pi jobs? maybe teaching or something?
[6:00] <blockh34d> i totally addicted to mine, it's awesome.
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[6:04] <[Saint]> There's plenty of people trying to milk money from raspberryp pi's success in the education sector
[6:05] <[Saint]> too many, in fact.
[6:05] <[Saint]> The hilarious thing is that very, very, very little of what is taught is raspberry pi specific.
[6:06] <shiftplusone> ...which is a good thing
[6:06] <[Saint]> But, the raspberry pi managed to do a really good job of being a "must have" accessory.
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[6:06] <shiftplusone> If it was all about teaching pi-specific stuff, it wouldn't be of much use now, would it.
[6:06] <[Saint]> As much as I hate mass market uneducated consumerism, geting linux into so many homes is an awesome side effect.
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[6:07] <[Saint]> shiftplusone: the problem is, a lot of people mistakenly think it *is* pi specific.
[6:07] <[Saint]> ANd some misguided educators even teach this.
[6:08] <shiftplusone> no harm is learning more than they thought they were
[6:08] <shiftplusone> *in
[6:08] <[Saint]> Someone tried telling me that Python was a pi-specific language the other day.
[6:08] <shiftplusone> bahaha
[6:08] <shiftplusone> 'course... where do you think the py in python comes from? =P
[6:08] <[Saint]> Their justification? "My tutor said so, and they both have py/pi in the name"
[6:09] <[Saint]> Hahahaha, yeah, snap.
[6:09] <shiftplusone> heh
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[6:22] <tonsofpcs> shiftplusone: monty ;)
[6:23] <vlt> Hello. I have an odp presentation with transitions. How to play it on a raspberry pi?
[6:23] <shiftplusone> =)
[6:23] <vlt> Is there a lightweight odp player?
[6:24] <shiftplusone> maybe, but can you export it as something more sensible? (I don't know what that might be)
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[6:25] <shiftplusone> I suspect that the most sensible (yet still terrible) option will be to just use impress to play it.
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[6:26] <shiftplusone> but I'll shut up and let someone who'd not just guessing answer
[6:26] <shiftplusone> *who's
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[6:27] <blockh34d> whats odp file?
[6:27] <vlt> shiftplusone: Thank you ;-)
[6:27] <blockh34d> can omxplayer play it?
[6:28] <shiftplusone> looks like pdf and flash are the only options worth considering. with one, you will lose transitions, with the other, it won't work on a pi... so...
[6:28] <shiftplusone> blockh34d, libreoffice/openoffice impress files... (powerpoint)
[6:28] <blockh34d> oh ok thanks
[6:28] <vlt> Hmmm … I could recordMyDesktop it o_O
[6:28] <shiftplusone> are the transitions THAT crucial? most people find them annoying
[6:29] <blockh34d> you could just give em the old jazz hands
[6:29] <blockh34d> and it's about the same
[6:29] <shiftplusone> did you try running it straight on the pi. too laggy?
[6:30] <vlt> shiftplusone: I have no loffice on the pi yet.
[6:30] <vlt> I wanted to know whether there was a better solution.
[6:31] <vlt> shiftplusone: In this case the transitions are crucial. It’s for a theater production.
[6:31] <shiftplusone> is this for digital signage slash dentists office sort of thing.... oh theater...
[6:31] <shiftplusone> hm
[6:32] <blockh34d> can you do a frame by frame dump to mpg?
[6:32] <shiftplusone> that recordmydesktop idea doesn't seem so stupid now
[6:32] <shiftplusone> (but it's still pretty silly)
[6:32] <blockh34d> no that sounds like aw inner to me too
[6:32] <blockh34d> espcially if it can do frame accurate grabs
[6:32] <vlt> I did it and it looks surprisingly fine.
[6:33] <blockh34d> loffice ran it good?
[6:33] <blockh34d> or the recordmypc?
[6:33] <vlt> No, the recoryMyDesktop dump looks fine on the non-Pi machine.
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[6:33] <blockh34d> cool there ya go
[6:33] <blockh34d> do you use omxplayer for video playback?
[6:34] <shiftplusone> Out of curiosity... why was this an odp file in the first place? Seems like the wrong application for it.
[6:34] <vlt> Yes, omxplayer via ssh.
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[6:35] <vlt> shiftplusone: Because someone did it. It contains only of text in typewriter font. The letters appearing one after another.
[6:35] <blockh34d> maybe you'd like to try my omxplayer gui app? i works via ssh since its text with mouse support
[6:35] * shiftplusone has primary school flashbacks D=
[6:35] <blockh34d> i jsut added it to pistore but it hasnt been approved yet
[6:36] <blockh34d> if you send me an email to greyworld@gmail.com i'll send you a copy free
[6:36] <shiftplusone> vlt, when the letters appear, does it make that loud typewriter slap sound?
[6:36] <blockh34d> i would appreciate the input
[6:37] <vlt> shiftplusone: Huge white typewriter letters in full HD on a black stage background wall can be look amazingly non-primary-schoolish :-D
[6:37] <blockh34d> it supports playlists,has a normal regular playback window (progress par, forward back buttons, etc), has shuffle and can que up a directory worth of files easy
[6:37] <shiftplusone> vlt, heh, good to hear.
[6:37] <shiftplusone> blockh34d, are you sure you are not required to release the source code anyway?
[6:37] <blockh34d> i don't know shiftplusone i've given it some thought
[6:38] <blockh34d> in certain scenarios i'd release the source code now
[6:38] <shiftplusone> what libraries are you linking to?
[6:38] <blockh34d> for pistore review maybe, or for confirmation that theres no nasties in it
[6:38] <blockh34d> its python with some pexpect
[6:38] <blockh34d> i don't think either requires anything particular of me
[6:38] <blockh34d> it uses some figlet on the side and wmctrl
[6:38] <blockh34d> and of course omxplayer
[6:38] <shiftplusone> what about the gui bit? gtk or anything?
[6:39] <blockh34d> no just curses
[6:39] <blockh34d> it's a console app
[6:39] <blockh34d> the gui is all in ascii art
[6:39] <blockh34d> so it works from ssh
[6:39] <vlt> THAT sounds nice!
[6:39] <blockh34d> thanks i think it's pretty sweeet
[6:39] <vlt> I need an all black screen the whole time.
[6:39] <shiftplusone> and are you releasing the .py file, .pyc file or some other form of compiled python?
[6:39] <blockh34d> i have an installer all made up, say the word and I'll send a copy over you can try it out
[6:40] <blockh34d> yes this can do that
[6:40] <blockh34d> you wont see it on the rpi at all, only the ssh window
[6:40] <vlt> No embarrasing mouse pointer or gui appearing.
[6:40] <blockh34d> whatever was on the wscreen anyways
[6:40] <blockh34d> so you may want another app running in the background that just displays a fullscreen image of black screen
[6:41] <blockh34d> or make sure the desktop is totally empty and black? i would probably do the image thing
[6:41] <vlt> I have an empty tty1 for that.
[6:41] <blockh34d> would you like this app? Its basic but i think it works well.
[6:41] <vlt> blockh34d: Yes.
[6:42] <blockh34d> if email is a problem i could maybe give your account a copy though pistore.. i haven't tried tha tyet.
[6:42] <blockh34d> either msg me an email address or send an email to greyworld@gmail.com
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[6:47] <shiftplusone> blockh34d, after a bit of digging, I also think you're not required to provide the source code (but it would take 1 minute to get it anyway)
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[6:48] <blockh34d> i'm really on the fence about going open source anyways
[6:48] <blockh34d> thing is... i'm such a mooch off my parents
[6:49] <blockh34d> they pay for so much in my life it would be really jerkish of me to not at least try to make some money
[6:49] <blockh34d> even if i personally hate the stuff
[6:49] <shiftplusone> heh
[6:51] <blockh34d> i'm trying to find a happy middle ground though
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[6:52] <blockh34d> so what i thought i'd do is sell my work for some limited time, then release it open source
[6:52] <shiftplusone> Good plan
[6:52] <blockh34d> and until then i'll make it available for limited closed review by 'authorities' if it makes people feel better about it
[6:52] <blockh34d> its understandable i don't like running closed source either
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[6:52] <shiftplusone> not to be a jerk, but I don't think it will sell (due to the nature of pistore), but it's certainly worth seeing where it goes.
[6:53] <blockh34d> oh well i'm selling it for 0 dollars for now
[6:53] <blockh34d> just accepting donations
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[6:53] <blockh34d> but if put it out there open source i might not even get those donations
[6:53] <rikkib> Damn... I destroyed my compass module trying to move the sil plug from top to bottom... Should have soldered it on the right way first up... Drats
[6:53] <blockh34d> it'd just get absorbed into some other guys project
[6:53] <blockh34d> ahh bummer
[6:54] <blockh34d> did you let the magic smoke out?
[6:54] <rikkib> No
[6:54] <blockh34d> i thought what i might do is make a very fancy version that optionally uses gtk for pretty ui
[6:54] <rikkib> destroyed a track on the cicuit board
[6:54] <blockh34d> and i'd charge for that one, and give the console mode one away
[6:55] <blockh34d> think you could redraw it?
[6:55] <blockh34d> conductive ink?
[6:55] <blockh34d> i dunno the player app is more for my dad anyways
[6:55] <blockh34d> he got a pi but CBA to type in filenames he just wants to use it as a media center
[6:55] <blockh34d> can't talk him into XBMC cause it's got xbox in the name
[6:56] <blockh34d> i was hoping to sell more games
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[6:56] <blockh34d> i think theres a game market waiting to be tapped with the pies, just gotta design around the hardware
[6:57] <blockh34d> people have made more out of less than the PI's capabilities for a long long time
[6:57] <blockh34d> i picture something liek a poor mans COD
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[6:57] <blockh34d> $3, one time charge, multiplayer deathmatch from then on free. BUT... it's overhead, primitive style graphics, and hosted by the users
[6:58] <blockh34d> the RPI can handle that and it would be fun
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[6:59] <blockh34d> to me the #3 isn't even about the game it's more about hte network that provides the multiplayer experience
[7:00] <blockh34d> i think the real expense to something there is the long term networking costs
[7:00] <blockh34d> so i was trying to figure a good fix for that
[7:01] <blockh34d> what if you could get a free copy of the game in exchange for running a dedicated server some presset period of time
[7:01] <blockh34d> so if you run a dedicated server for a month, your demo becomes a full version automatically
[7:01] <blockh34d> does that seem like a fair trade?
[7:02] <blockh34d> maybe people who run dedicated servers get more resources in the game, to encourage that
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[8:06] <vlt> Hello. Any idea how to trigger the screen saver in X?
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[8:23] <rahul__> my BT headset is not recording audio..
[8:24] <rahul__> It is playing music fine, But No audio recording from its microphone.. help
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[8:28] <blockh34d> hi users
[8:28] <blockh34d> i need more beta testers
[8:28] <blockh34d> my first unfortunate user had no luck with the app and i can not figure out why
[8:29] <blockh34d> i'd like to see if its a reproducable error, if anyone feels brave.
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[8:33] <hideo> blockh34d: no, we won't beta test your new panties
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[8:34] <blockh34d> alpha
[8:34] <blockh34d> these panties are not ready for primteime :(
[8:34] <blockh34d> what a bummer
[8:34] <blockh34d> it works perfect here
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[10:48] <N3sh108> hello guys\
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[10:49] <N3sh108> I have a question: what is the best way to send an image (a frame from the webcam) to a PC from a raspberry pi?
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[10:49] <N3sh108> I need it to be extremely fast. I am currently using Java for an application, would that do?
[10:50] <N3sh108> I thought of using sockets, but that might not be the optimal solution
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[10:57] <gordonDrogon> you need to work out if you want to push it from the Pi, or pull it from the PC.
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[10:57] <gordonDrogon> pushing it might ultimately be faster - but you'll need a co-operating program on the PC to be running at the time of the push.
[10:57] <gordonDrogon> and preferably on the same LAN, so no NAT issues, etc.
[10:57] <gordonDrogon> (or IPv6)
[10:58] <N3sh108> the idea is to have a small server application on the PC which just listens to the connection
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[10:59] <N3sh108> whenever a new image is received, it will take it and do stuff with it
[10:59] <gordonDrogon> so just push it with something that talks to the server on the PC.
[10:59] <N3sh108> I have just found something called usbnet (host-to-host) for Linux but I need to check whether I can access it from Java, perhaps I don't even need java
[10:59] <blockh34d> i used netcat for that and mplayer
[10:59] <gordonDrogon> personally I'd do it in C...
[11:00] <blockh34d> during a seession it would start at about 2 seconds latency but then it got to nearly no lag
[11:00] <N3sh108> yeah, I am also thinking that for this task I could use C
[11:00] <N3sh108> and then just use Java for the Server
[11:00] <gordonDrogon> I'd also use C for the server, but that's because I know C more than Java...
[11:01] <blockh34d> what are you doing with the image once you get it? display and discard?
[11:01] <linuxstb> N3sh108: What do you mean by "extremely fast" ? You want to send a lot of frames per second, or you need low latency?
[11:01] <N3sh108> a lot of frames per second
[11:01] <N3sh108> with a low latency? :/
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[11:02] <linuxstb> latency = the time between the image being taken on the Pi, and the time it arrives at the PC
[11:02] <N3sh108> yep, I also need that
[11:03] <linuxstb> Sounds like you should encode it to a h264 stream and just broadcast that. I'm sure there are already solutions around for that.
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[11:03] <linuxstb> Then use something like ffmpeg on the PC to decode to access the original frames.
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[11:07] <N3sh108> ok, let me check :)
[11:07] <N3sh108> Im gonna do some tests using VLC
[11:07] <N3sh108> and let's see :D
[11:08] <linuxstb> N3sh108: Are you using the dedicated Pi camera, or just a usb webcam?
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[11:10] <N3sh108> just a usb webcam
[11:10] <N3sh108> with v4l2
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[11:26] <blockh34d> picam so much better
[11:26] <blockh34d> unbelievably better
[11:27] <blockh34d> i've been trying to get mulitple simulataneous cameeras going with rpi. no luck but i tried a lot of cameras. picam the best by far
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[11:34] <skeggs> Any idea how to optimize raspistill so that you can run the timelapse at a more frequent rate? Mine is skipping frames if I try to capture more often than every .7 second
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[11:36] <blockh34d> i captured straight to mpg stream
[11:36] <blockh34d> thats not ok for your usage?
[11:36] <blockh34d> maybe you could try capturing the images to a samba share or a ram disk
[11:36] <blockh34d> usb write speed is horrible
[11:36] <skeggs> you're using mjpg streamer?
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[11:36] <blockh34d> i used netcat and i think raspicam
[11:37] <blockh34d> been a while sinc ei had it plugged in
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[11:37] <blockh34d> is it evne raspicam? i think thats the name
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[11:37] <skeggs> if by the 'official' raspi camera module, then yes
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[11:38] <blockh34d> well i mean the actual app
[11:38] <blockh34d> theres raspistill and another one i think, for video
[11:38] <blockh34d> i think thats raspicam, and its what i used
[11:38] <skeggs> raspivid
[11:38] <blockh34d> there ya go
[11:38] <blockh34d> thats the one
[11:38] <blockh34d> raspivid and netcat, thats what i was using
[11:38] <blockh34d> and mplayer on the remote end
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[11:38] <blockh34d> worked pretty good
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[11:39] <blockh34d> weird to setup but once you got it, surprisingly fast for being highdef 1080p
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[11:39] <blockh34d> where do you save the images to now? rpi local storage?
[11:39] <skeggs> Aye
[11:39] <blockh34d> could be a big bottleneck right there
[11:40] <skeggs> I want a push configuration though
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[11:40] <skeggs> the SD card is as fast as they get
[11:40] <blockh34d> but for writing?
[11:40] <blockh34d> my write speeds are atrocious
[11:41] <blockh34d> i think you might get better performance passing the files off to a samba share with write access
[11:41] <blockh34d> save it on a 'real' computer
[11:41] <blockh34d> how many frames could a rpi hold anyways? even if it was a lot, the extra wear it puts on the disk... seems problematic to me
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[11:42] <skeggs> Wear and tear is not an issue, as long as it's able to thump out images at a higher rate ;)
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[11:42] <skeggs> But yeah, I'll try storing it externally
[11:42] <blockh34d> what do you do with the images? save? process then save? display and discard?
[11:42] <blockh34d> you know rpi creates a ramdrive by default?
[11:43] <blockh34d> saving to it is super fast
[11:43] <blockh34d> but its only 20 megs or so
[11:44] <blockh34d> theres some changes you can make to your smb.conf too that seem to help, for reading anyways
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[11:45] <blockh34d> i found if i was reading samba data from wifi, it would be very slow, slower than wifi by a lot. seems like it was temp caching the data on the local usb drive
[11:45] <blockh34d> using a wired connection but otherwise same networking gave infinetly faster frame rates
[11:45] <blockh34d> err cache rates i should say
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[11:54] <gordonDrogon> best speed via ethernet is 100Mb/sec - that's 10MBytes/sec. SD should be able to be written a bit faster than that (but not much).
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[11:55] <gordonDrogon> USB storage might be faster.
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[11:58] <N3sh108> hey guys, I have tried streaming the video from a usb camera on the raspi
[11:58] <N3sh108> and I can't seem to be able to get anything out...
[11:59] <N3sh108> I have tried to use vlc both with v4l2 and raspivid
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[11:59] <N3sh108> has anyone ever managed to do it?
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[12:44] <N3sh108> at the end I went for mjpg-streamer = Amazing!
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[13:38] <xrosnight> hello guys:)
[13:38] <xrosnight> evening
[13:38] <xrosnight> I am hanging around here
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[13:54] <caioketo> Hello there, any tutorial on working with lcd tft, sending custom drawings?
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[14:32] <SirLagz> has anyone tried a "LASER" branded wireless mouse on the Pi ? I can't seem to get mine working =/
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[14:36] <SirLagz> and everytime I unplug this PS2 -> USB adapter, the display goes off =/
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[15:36] <steve_rox> got fun?
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[15:39] <SirLagz> always got fun
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[15:40] <steve_rox> thats good then
[15:41] <IT_Sean> fun = good
[15:42] <IT_Sean> and good = good
[15:42] <steve_rox> :-)
[15:42] <IT_Sean> so... good = fun ?
[15:43] <SirLagz> any ideas on why my mouse won't respond on my Pi ? power is fine, mouse works on another PC
[15:43] <SirLagz> gets detected on my Pi
[15:43] <IT_Sean> Is it a basic USB mouse? Or is it a big fancy gaming mouse with eleventy dozen buttons and lights on it?
[15:43] <SirLagz> basic wireless mouse
[15:43] <IT_Sean> RF or BT?
[15:43] <SirLagz> RF
[15:44] <IT_Sean> that /SHOULD/ work.
[15:44] <SirLagz> indeed.
[15:44] <steve_rox> i have issues in X with my wireless keyboard lately
[15:44] <IT_Sean> Are you plugging the dongle directly into the pi, or into a powered hub?
[15:44] <steve_rox> works on the other rpi tho
[15:44] <SirLagz> IT_Sean: into a powered hub
[15:44] <IT_Sean> does the dongle work when plugged directly into the pi?
[15:44] <SirLagz> this is on a 256MB Model B if it matters
[15:44] <SirLagz> don't think so...haven't tried the top usb port actually
[15:44] <SirLagz> might give it a shot in there
[15:45] <IT_Sean> is it a whacking great big dongle, or a wee little 'un?
[15:45] <SirLagz> medium one ?
[15:45] <SirLagz> well
[15:45] <SirLagz> about as big as a small flash drive
[15:45] <IT_Sean> Probably needs the powered hub then.
[15:46] <IT_Sean> In general (i.e. not necessarily raspi related) i have seen issues with wireless mice & keyboards in hubs... i would try that dongle, in that hub, on your desktop PC. See if that works.
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[15:50] <SirLagz> I don't want to un-zip-tie the hub from the Pi =/ lol
[15:50] * IT_Sean shrugs, then
[15:50] <IT_Sean> so.... don't? Just move the whole damn thing over to the PC?
[15:50] <IT_Sean> and replug some wires?
[15:50] <SirLagz> oh right. derp.
[15:51] <SirLagz> wonder if i have a wire long enough
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[15:55] <nicdev> my current DAC for RPi is Behringer UCA222, it's USB 1 and I get stitic from it which is annoying but not show stopper. I know I can change the USB speed but I don't want to do that. What's a good but not so expensive DAC I could upgrade to?
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[15:57] <SirLagz> IT_Sean: seems you were right about the hub
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[15:57] <IT_Sean> HA!
[15:58] <SirLagz> IT_Sean: next question. Why does my Pi not have a display until I plug in this 2xPS2 -> 1x USB adapter in...lol
[15:59] <SirLagz> IT_Sean: but it didn't work when it was plugged straight into the Pi either lol
[15:59] <IT_Sean> It shows no video until you plug un a PS2 adapter?
[15:59] <SirLagz> IT_Sean: yes.
[15:59] <IT_Sean> Okay... that's just weird.
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[15:59] <SirLagz> haha I know right
[15:59] <IT_Sean> Like... really weird.
[15:59] <IT_Sean> Strange, even.
[15:59] <SirLagz> yeah. It's gotten me buggered
[15:59] <IT_Sean> Bordering on bizarre.
[16:01] <SirLagz> IT_Sean: You're going to laugh when I say this
[16:01] <SirLagz> IT_Sean: I was using the wrong dongle for the mouse
[16:01] <SirLagz> IT_Sean: the mouse works with that hub on my main rig,
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[16:01] <IT_Sean> (o_o)
[16:01] <SirLagz> lol, sorry
[16:01] <SirLagz> I have 2 identical dongles and mislabled one
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[16:01] <SirLagz> bahaha
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[16:02] <IT_Sean> You are an apocalyptic dolt.
[16:02] <SirLagz> haha. tired and sick does that to you
[16:02] <IT_Sean> you are sick!?
[16:02] <IT_Sean> EEEW!
[16:02] * SirLagz sneezes all over IT_Sean
[16:03] <SirLagz> now. to plug that back into my Pi
[16:03] * IT_Sean douses SirLagz in several gallons of alcohol-based disinfectant gel, then sets him on fire
[16:03] <SirLagz> good thing i had my flame suit on
[16:04] * IT_Sean poked holes in it
[16:04] <SirLagz> AAAARGGHH
[16:04] <SirLagz> i have no display. stupid thing
[16:04] <SirLagz> aaand now i have a display
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[16:05] <SirLagz> aaand mouse works now...wth =/
[16:05] <SirLagz> buut my keyboard doesn't anymore
[16:05] <SirLagz> shtoopid thing
[16:05] * IT_Sean installs a 2 line character LCD on SirLagz's raspi, and forces him to perform all interactions with the device via that display
[16:05] <SirLagz> haha
[16:06] <SirLagz> at least that would be reliable
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[16:08] <IT_Sean> Oh, you also get 5 buttons... but i was too lazy to solder them, so, you will need to short the button contacts to ground to simulate a button press.
[16:08] * IT_Sean hands SirLagz an unbent paper clip
[16:08] <SirLagz> bahahahaha
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[16:09] <SirLagz> for some odd reason, this PS2->USB adapter works in my other Pi and not this one
[16:10] <SirLagz> might try plugging it striaght into the Pi actually, it's plugged into the hub atm
[16:11] <SirLagz> and hope i still get a display =/
[16:12] <SirLagz> oo i do get a display
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[16:14] <SirLagz> but no keyboard.
[16:14] * SirLagz stops talking to himself
[16:14] * IT_Sean puts SirLagz in the padded room
[16:15] * SirLagz sighs. I should really learn to check things
[16:15] <IT_Sean> How long did you spend troubleshooting the wrong dongle?
[16:16] <SirLagz> IT_Sean: you don't want to know.
[16:17] <SirLagz> well. I have a keyboard working, and a mouse working. at least that's progress
[16:18] <SirLagz> if i had the do$h, I'd get that addon board for the Pi that adds VGA to the Pi so I could use my KVM lol
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[16:47] <Getty> hiho! I attached (or my dad for me hehe) a bluetooth chip on the AMA0, but we wanna use it in the "server" mode so that others attach to it, so... now i set the baud rate proper on the device in the boot config, but...
[16:47] <Getty> when i use minicom i get... nothing, even tho also no error or so, but also nothing else. I lag somehow finding informations about what to expect, or if i might miss something that i need to care about here
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[17:10] <MarcN> Anyone have problems with ca-certs when running rpi-update today?
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[17:12] <MarcN> my ca-certificates are up to date and my time is set properly.
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[17:14] <psiklops> Hi. I am looking for a HowTo on bridging wlan0 with eth0 to share internet connection through eth0. Is this possible ?
[17:16] <psiklops> Better said, i've read about bridging the other way around "turn your raspberrypi into a wireless accesspoint/router" ... but i'd rather have it as a lan-cable network
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[17:17] <MarcN> psiklops, sure -- just swap wlan0 and eth0 in the configuration steps.
[17:18] <psiklops> MarcN, sure ? :-) i will not get an error: can't add wlan0 to brideg br0 ?
[17:19] <MarcN> psiklops, hmm.
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[17:22] <MarcN> psiklops, strange. Got link of what you are following? Can't think why it would, but could be wrong.
[17:24] <psiklops> MarcN, http://www.raspberrypi.org/phpBB3/viewtopic.php?t=39269
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[17:26] <psiklops> MarcN, i recall trying this in the past on a Laptop... and i could not bridge the devices... however i've heard about bridging 2 networkcards and binding wlan0 to them or such
[17:26] <psiklops> but, i do not have 2 network cards :-)
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[17:58] <blockh34d> hi i was wondering, any idea how someone would scan for special keys on keyboards like 'play, pause, next/prev, volume up/down'?
[17:58] <blockh34d> i'm told evdev is something i should look into
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[18:35] <rahul__> Hii all
[18:35] <blockh34d> hi
[18:36] <rahul__> I need to record sound via my headset. It is playing music fine.
[18:36] <rahul__> but is not recording sound..
[18:39] <gordonDrogon> blockh34d, You can generally read then via an application that uses the SDL libraries, so there must be other ways.
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[18:41] <blockh34d> hmm maybe pygame can get at it
[18:41] <blockh34d> thats on pi's standard
[18:41] <gordonDrogon> pygame uses SDL.
[18:41] <blockh34d> there ya go then eh.. i'll try it out thanks
[18:41] <gordonDrogon> I have a C program that uses SDL - that can scan all keys.
[18:41] <blockh34d> i used xev to get the scan keys
[18:42] <rahul__> gordonDrogon: Any suggestion regarding HSP on Rpi for my BT headset
[18:42] <rahul__> :(
[18:42] <blockh34d> i want to link the media buttons to my av player
[18:42] <gordonDrogon> rahul__, I've never used bluetooth on a PC (other than android phone)
[18:42] <blockh34d> pretty impressed you even got BT working
[18:42] <blockh34d> i got bt working on rpi but it was such a pita
[18:42] <blockh34d> and it never really worked... great...
[18:43] <blockh34d> very much prefer rf wireless for rpi
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[18:43] <rahul__> blockh34d: It is streaming music fine. simple to use
[18:43] <rahul__> :D
[18:43] <rahul__> :)
[18:43] <blockh34d> awesome
[18:44] <blockh34d> that's great, i had issues using my bt keyboard
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[18:44] <blockh34d> not really rpi's fault though. prolly just a bad idea to use bt kb on nix
[18:44] <blockh34d> anyone want to help me beta my app some? i need test users to iron out the bugs with
[18:45] <blockh34d> its kind of like winamp
[18:45] <blockh34d> uses omxplayer for playback, but has playlists etc
[18:45] <blockh34d> if anyone feels brave email greyworld@gmail.com and i'll send over the install zip
[18:46] <rahul__> blockh34d: whats that?
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[18:47] <rahul__> blockh34d: do it also plays videos?
[18:47] <blockh34d> yes
[18:48] <blockh34d> audio and video
[18:48] <blockh34d> has fullscreen toggle and can select between languages for multilanguage
[18:48] <blockh34d> also it works from ssh/putty
[18:48] <blockh34d> works the exact same
[18:48] <rahul__> blockh34d: Great :)
[18:49] <rahul__> actually i have a issue on Video.
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[18:49] <rahul__> I need to get each frame of it..
[18:49] <blockh34d> you know about 'step' in omxplayer?
[18:49] <blockh34d> my app uses it too if needed
[18:49] <rahul__> blockh34d: No
[18:49] <blockh34d> you can pause and then 'step' between frames one at a time
[18:50] <blockh34d> i think S is the key for that
[18:50] <blockh34d> it's in the omxplayer help and in my app the shortcut is the same
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[18:51] <blockh34d> yah actually theres a 'take screenshot' too in omxplayer i think
[18:51] <blockh34d> with screenshot and step i think you can do what you want, each frame to a seperate image
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[18:51] <blockh34d> although i'm sure... 100% certain... there are btter ways to do exactly that
[18:51] <blockh34d> ffmpeg probably
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[18:52] <blockh34d> anyone know how to switch windows in irssi beyond window 10?
[18:52] <blockh34d> i know about alt-0-9 but how to get to window 11?
[18:53] <blockh34d> rahul you want to try this out? msg me your email address or send a email to greyworld@gmail.com
[18:53] <blockh34d> ugh that's probably gonna get logged and spammed now.... oh well
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[18:54] <steve_rox> i still havent figured out windows in irssi myself yet
[18:54] <blockh34d> alt 0-9 switches between the first 10
[18:54] <blockh34d> after that... i dunno
[18:54] <steve_rox> dunno how to create new window
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[18:55] <blockh34d> maybe i shoudl try bitchx
[18:55] <blockh34d> thats another nix irc client ya?
[18:55] <sney> it's /win number
[18:55] <blockh34d> ohh thanks!
[18:55] <steve_rox> hmm
[18:55] <blockh34d> how to close that window?
[18:55] <blockh34d> /close?
[18:55] <sney> /wc
[18:55] <blockh34d> great
[18:55] <blockh34d> thanks a lot
[18:55] <steve_rox> create window button?
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[18:56] <sney> it creates a window if you /msg someone or join a channel etc, I don't know if there's one to create an empty window
[18:56] <steve_rox> oh i see
[18:57] <sney> I mostly use hexchat so I only know a little bit about irssi
[18:57] <steve_rox> i wanted to see if i could make it create multi server sessions in other windows
[18:57] <blockh34d> if a window is open, typing /join #thechanname again will just focus the window
[18:57] <sney> http://irssi.org/documentation
[18:57] <blockh34d> is hexchat more or less user friendly than irssi?
[18:57] <blockh34d> steve_rox: you know about using screen with irssi?
[18:58] <blockh34d> i really don't but i'm aware of the idea
[18:58] <sney> hexchat is a gui client
[18:58] <blockh34d> maybe thats how you could multiserver/multiwindow
[18:58] <blockh34d> lightweight enough for pi?
[18:58] <steve_rox> not sure
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[18:58] <blockh34d> so i've thought about making my own sort of XBMC
[18:59] <sney> yeah it works on the pi. I have it packaged if you want to try it. I haven't done any extended tests so it might need the buffer shortened, but it's pretty efficient on most systems
[19:00] <sney> http://drubo.net/files/hexchat-bpo/raspbian/ for anyone interested.
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[19:05] <blockh34d> i think someone could make a super simple mix of media playback, a simple games menu, a torrent app, and a irc client
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[19:05] <blockh34d> so i'm kicking it around... i picture something where it starts up and you can control all of it with a mouse, a remote, or a gamepad (or a keyboard of course).
[19:06] <sney> combining all those different things tends to be the opposite of simple
[19:06] <blockh34d> well thats the trick of it
[19:06] <blockh34d> how do you keep it simple and accessible
[19:06] <blockh34d> i think tabs are the key
[19:06] <blockh34d> a limited number of key tabs
[19:06] <blockh34d> kind of like xbox360's home screen i guess?
[19:06] <blockh34d> more simple than that even, and no ads or anything like it
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[19:08] <blockh34d> just | Torrents \ Browser \ Irc \ Games \ Media \ Help \
[19:08] <blockh34d> then each tab has its own page of stuff and all of it is running concurrently
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[19:09] <blockh34d> missing any important tabs there that anyone can think of?
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[19:09] <blockh34d> for certain users I think that covers 99% of what they want to use a RPI for
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[19:13] <Muchoz> Does someone know how to seperate the disks inside of a RAID-0 so I can get one of the computer and use it elsewhere?
[19:14] <Muchoz> And keep the files btw.
[19:17] <steve_rox> polymorph is a most fun plastic substance
[19:18] <steve_rox> got rpi monitoring its tempature too
[19:18] <ShorTie> got another hd handy Muchoz ??
[19:18] <ShorTie> just copy them to it maybe
[19:18] <Muchoz> ShorTie, yes. But all of them I can't get out of the PC they're in.
[19:19] <Muchoz> 400 Gb copy, fun
[19:19] <ShorTie> so it's no, lol.
[19:19] <Muchoz> That PC will have to be running for a couple of days I guess :/
[19:19] <ShorTie> all i'm saying is it would be a way i guess
[19:20] <Muchoz> There is a NAS on my network but it's damn slow.
[19:20] <Muchoz> That's why I want to set my Pi up as a NAS.
[19:20] <Muchoz> A personal NAS instead of the other one.
[19:21] <ShorTie> rPi's do not make good file servers if you have a lot of trafic
[19:22] <ShorTie> usb and lan use the same bandwidth
[19:23] <Encrypt> Muchoz, The RPi won't be better than a NAS
[19:23] <IT_Sean> Indeed... the raspi is not great at getting NAS-ty
[19:23] <Muchoz> Encrypt, the problem is that the other NAS is used by multiple people.
[19:23] * IT_Sean waits for someone to see what he did there
[19:24] <Encrypt> As a file server, it's a good idea
[19:24] <Encrypt> But the perfs are not here for streaming
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[19:29] <Muchoz> Encrypt, I'll might create something myself using the libtorrent for it to auto download torrents placed inside a folder if that doesn't exist already.
[19:30] <Muchoz> libtorrent library*
[19:30] <Encrypt> Yes, why not :)
[19:30] <Muchoz> Is there a cheaper way to connect a SATA hard drive to a USB port beside a HDD case?
[19:31] <Muchoz> Like SATA -> USB cable
[19:32] <Encrypt> Muchoz, Here is what I have: https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/19626172/RPi.jpg
[19:32] <Encrypt> There are cheap USB to SATA adapters however
[19:33] <atouk> that workstation is too clean. at least throw a random paperclip or sd card on there
[19:33] <Encrypt> atouk, Mine? :p
[19:34] <Muchoz> Encrypt, I was planning on putting it into a random box behind my closet where my LAN cable 'source' is at because the cable isn't used anyway and it's annoying anyway. No need for a case.
[19:34] <Encrypt> Ok
[19:34] <atouk> so rpi-update is borked?
[19:34] <Muchoz> Would a 3.5" case work for a 2.5" too?
[19:35] <IT_Sean> with the right adapter bracket
[19:35] <blockh34d> is libtorrent hard to work with?
[19:35] <blockh34d> was just thinking about building a minituare torrent client into another app
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[19:36] <Muchoz> blockh34d, depends how good you're at C++ or Python.
[19:36] <blockh34d> libtorrent is a client? sounded liek a library
[19:36] <Muchoz> It's a library.
[19:36] <blockh34d> pretty snazzy with both actually
[19:36] <blockh34d> fair to middlin at the c++
[19:36] <Muchoz> But it comes with a client
[19:36] <blockh34d> oh i see
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[19:37] <blockh34d> think i could make a console based version easy enough?
[19:37] <blockh34d> thats basically all i'm after
[19:37] <blockh34d> maybe something that has it's own search function it calls other website indexes with
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[19:37] <Muchoz> There are some command line programs available if that's what you're looking for.
[19:37] <Muchoz> I'll might just use those.
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[19:37] <blockh34d> maybe that'd be good
[19:37] <blockh34d> i visualize a sort of XBMC arrangement
[19:38] <blockh34d> where most functionlity is just stripped away down to minimum
[19:38] <Muchoz> No offense, but I hate XBMC atm.
[19:38] <blockh34d> media playback, list of some games, a web browser, and a torrent client
[19:38] <blockh34d> oh i don't use it
[19:38] <Muchoz> It can't play a single media file of me and the subtitle downloading is horrible.
[19:38] <blockh34d> thats why i'm talking about something else, but with a similar appeal
[19:39] <blockh34d> hey i made a media player 'app' i'm trying to beta test maybe you'd like to give it a shot?
[19:39] <blockh34d> it's basically a wrapper for omxplayer
[19:39] <Muchoz> I'd love to make something personal for downloading torrents with subtitles
[19:39] <blockh34d> but it has playlists, a progress/seek bar, random shuffle, fullscreen toggle, and multilanguage selection, all from a gui that works in X or tty (since its actually text mode using Curses for ascii art)
[19:39] <Muchoz> But not release it because of legal stuff I guess
[19:40] <blockh34d> i thought that my app would really fit in well with a torrent app
[19:40] <blockh34d> it could wrok well as a plugin for it i think
[19:40] <Muchoz> Did anyone work with Plex before?
[19:40] <blockh34d> sounds familiar
[19:40] <blockh34d> maybe i'm thinking of plone though
[19:40] <Muchoz> I was planning on buying a chromecast perhaps.
[19:40] <Muchoz> It'll be soon available in other European countries.
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[19:40] <Muchoz> It takes ages for Google products to reach Europe.
[19:40] <blockh34d> well i think you might like my app i'd love to give it a shot. It plays back 1080p no problem
[19:41] <blockh34d> even through a network connection / samba share
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[19:41] <Muchoz> I first need to get that HDD and stuffout
[19:41] <Muchoz> But I guess I'm too lazy to even start it
[19:41] <Muchoz> and I don't want to spend the money on an adapter
[19:41] <blockh34d> ok if you'd like a copy just email greyworld@gmail.com from the email you want me to send the zip to
[19:41] <Muchoz> What program?
[19:42] <blockh34d> it's called Scamp and it's an AV player i wrote in python
[19:42] <Muchoz> Using AVBin?
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[19:42] <blockh34d> it basically uses omxplayer to play videos but provides a UI
[19:42] <blockh34d> also a playlist, some other functions that were missing
[19:42] <blockh34d> like fullscreen toggle etc
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[19:42] <blockh34d> i dunno avbin i should look into that
[19:43] <blockh34d> i just got tired of typing a million things to make omxplayer work
[19:43] <blockh34d> my app can be controlled entirely via mouse
[19:43] <blockh34d> soon by gamepad and remote control too
[19:43] <blockh34d> also scamp works really nicely from a putty session
[19:43] <blockh34d> so the rpi doesnt' show any of the UI, just the media plays back on it
[19:44] <MarcN> could someone try 'rpi-update'? Fails for me a at least one other person today. Says either old ca-certificates or check time. Neither seem wrong on my system.
[19:44] <blockh34d> if it succeeds is it going to try to update my bios or something weird?
[19:44] <blockh34d> i actually don't use rpi-update much at all, i think once when i first set this machine up
[19:45] <MarcN> blockh34d, there is new firmware for at least the camera module for faster times.
[19:45] <blockh34d> ok its running
[19:45] <blockh34d> nope
[19:46] <blockh34d> failed to estblish ssl connection
[19:46] <MarcN> the wget fails, right?
[19:46] <MarcN> yeah thats what I see
[19:46] <blockh34d> GnuTLS: A TLS warning alert has been received
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[19:46] <blockh34d> i'm sure that means something to someone
[19:46] <steve_rox> prob
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[19:47] <blockh34d> how can we grow the raspberry pi gaming community?
[19:47] <blockh34d> i think thats something rpi foundation should focus on
[19:47] <blockh34d> should be 100% indy
[19:47] <steve_rox> make some version of steam run on it heh
[19:47] <blockh34d> i keep thinking about it
[19:48] <blockh34d> see i got most of a game engine written out of pi3d
[19:48] <blockh34d> it works from X or main console
[19:48] <blockh34d> and i think well what if i give away the engine, and set up a game browser for peopel thats super easy to use
[19:48] <blockh34d> like pistore but of games and much healthier market than pistore
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[19:49] <blockh34d> should allow people to make a game, or some/part of a game, and put it out there for other people to play almost immediately
[19:49] <blockh34d> almost like little big planet
[19:49] <steve_rox> pitty we cant get steam on it, its own platform
[19:49] <blockh34d> really is
[19:49] <blockh34d> i just wish i could get opengles2 running a little bit better
[19:50] <steve_rox> even a steam clone probly wouldent cut it
[19:50] <blockh34d> too many polygons moving every frame is killing it
[19:50] <blockh34d> probably not
[19:50] <blockh34d> but i was thinking
[19:50] <blockh34d> rpi has such a focus on learning programming
[19:50] <blockh34d> why not graft that onto a game based learnign curriculum
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[19:51] <blockh34d> i used to teach computers back in highschool (i was in school at the time), and i used games instead of that boring crud teachers usually use for examples
[19:51] <blockh34d> everyone loved it, really loved it we learned everything encessary and it never felt like school
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[19:51] <blockh34d> i think rpi could focus in that direction, and then provide a place for people to showcase what they've made, even if those things are very basic and simple
[19:52] <blockh34d> it would be liek one part 80's video arcade, one part CS 101 class
[19:54] <blockh34d> i wonder if you could trick kids into learning programming by making them unlock certain parts of the OS with certain programming based learning challenges
[19:54] <blockh34d> like if you can correctly structure a for...loop, you get a new game unlocked
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[19:54] <steve_rox> would drive me nuts in no time :-D
[19:54] <blockh34d> haha
[19:54] <steve_rox> rather type impulse 101 in the console
[19:55] <blockh34d> i don't know impulse 101
[19:55] <blockh34d> is that a thing?
[19:55] <steve_rox> is in halflife1 and above
[19:55] <blockh34d> o
[19:55] <blockh34d> i'll have to check that out
[19:55] <blockh34d> i havent played a whole lot of halflife
[19:56] <steve_rox> its a give all weapons command etc
[19:56] <blockh34d> its cool and all i'm just kinda bored with all that kind of game
[19:56] <blockh34d> gotcha lol
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[19:56] <blockh34d> well the ui unlocks would be permanent
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[19:56] <blockh34d> so you figure it out once, from then on, you have these buttons now etc
[19:57] <blockh34d> maybe kids could have to pass a basic internet safety test before it lets them use a browser
[19:57] <blockh34d> like it pretends to be a stranger=danger scenario and tests that they correctly respond, soemthing liek that
[19:57] <steve_rox> yeah so my solution to the loop challence is to spawn all weapons and blow it up
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[19:57] <blockh34d> kobayishi maru
[19:57] <blockh34d> should definately be in there
[19:57] <blockh34d> spelling it wrong but i'm sure you know what i mean
[19:57] <steve_rox> hehe
[19:58] <steve_rox> just do what kirk did
[19:58] <blockh34d> i think it could be like minecraft
[19:58] <blockh34d> people love that game and i don't know why
[19:58] <blockh34d> it's neat but whats the point? people are bored... really bored
[19:58] <steve_rox> heh my friends drag me into minecraft each day
[19:59] <blockh34d> i think education needs to find a way to tap into that boredom
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[19:59] <blockh34d> am i missing something with it?
[19:59] <blockh34d> i keep thinking theres a punchline to playing minecraft and no one filled me in on it yet
[19:59] <steve_rox> need creativity
[19:59] <blockh34d> like if you hold down magic keys, monsters and/or powerups appear
[20:00] <blockh34d> yah i built a house, underground complex, torches/windows/doors/ladders etc
[20:00] <blockh34d> kinda fun in a legos sort of way
[20:00] <blockh34d> would be more fun with phsyics though, and some sort of missions
[20:00] <IT_Sean> You are totally missing the point.
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[20:01] <blockh34d> i know!
[20:01] <blockh34d> thats what i just said
[20:01] <blockh34d> fill me in
[20:01] <blockh34d> is it fun in a zen garden sort of way?
[20:01] <blockh34d> embrace the nothingness?
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[20:02] <blockh34d> what minecraft needs is a good tower defense mod
[20:02] <blockh34d> and a particle destruction system
[20:02] <blockh34d> like scorched earth a little
[20:03] <blockh34d> has anyone tried scorched earth on rpi here?
[20:04] <blockh34d> i bet tetrinet runs great too, that was another super fun nix game
[20:06] <blockh34d> who wants to play tetrinet?
[20:06] <blockh34d> sudo apt-get install tetrinet-client
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[20:07] <steve_rox> brb maybes
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[20:17] <Muchoz> blockh34d, I still simply use omxplayer -r -o hdmi --align center "Filename"
[20:18] <IT_Sean> pardon my ignorance, but, what is tetrinet?
[20:19] <Muchoz> Google seems to say it's Tetris 6 player multiplayer.
[20:19] <IT_Sean> (O_o)
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[20:23] <blockh34d> Muchoz: yes its easy enough but I like my player better, it lets you specify the output window in pixels or fullscreen and you can toggle during playback
[20:23] <blockh34d> omxplayer you can't its annoying
[20:23] <blockh34d> yes tetrinet is multiplyaer tetris
[20:24] <blockh34d> its awesome you should tottaly try it out right away
[20:24] <blockh34d> i'm trying to find a nicer client though, this text mode is kind hmm
[20:24] <Muchoz> blockh34d, can it still run at 1080p without lagg when there is all of the UI stuff is being done in the background?
[20:25] <blockh34d> yep absolutely
[20:25] <blockh34d> the ui is in text mode
[20:25] <blockh34d> it uses 0.3% of cpu on my machine
[20:26] <blockh34d> still mouse compatible
[20:26] <blockh34d> uses special terminal mode mouse support
[20:26] <blockh34d> works with ssh too
[20:26] <blockh34d> i run fullscreen 1080p video and it doesnt use half my cpu
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[20:47] <gordonDrogon> blockh34d, minecraft you say?
[20:47] <gordonDrogon> http://unicorn.drogon.net/minecraft1.png
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[20:52] <sunri5e> Can anyone tell me why this script: https://www.dropbox.com/s/oyq8dtc9zs28r03/Screenshot%202014-03-20%2020.50.14.png doesnt work as sudo crontab (https://www.dropbox.com/s/uqjvcpg7p4esfeq/Screenshot%202014-03-20%2020.50.42.png). The backups will get created but arent delted if the number is over 3...
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[20:53] <sunri5e> The error-mail i receive:
[20:53] <sunri5e> 4000+0 records in
[20:53] <sunri5e> 4000+0 records out
[20:53] <sunri5e> 4000000000 bytes (4.0 GB) copied, 759.938 s, 5.3 MB/s
[20:53] <sunri5e> rm: missing operand
[20:53] <sunri5e> Try `rm --help' for more information.
[20:53] <sunri5e> ~
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[20:54] <sunri5e> "/usr/local/bin/raspiBackup.sh: line 13: service: command not found
[20:54] <sunri5e> 4000+0 records in
[20:54] <sunri5e> 4000+0 records out
[20:54] <sunri5e> 4000000000 bytes (4.0 GB) copied, 759.938 s, 5.3 MB/s
[20:54] <sunri5e> "/usr/local/bin/raspiBackup.sh: line 33: service: command not found
[20:54] <sunri5e> "/media/hdd1/backup ~
[20:54] <sunri5e> rm: missing operand
[20:54] <gordonDrogon> pastebin, please.
[20:55] <gordonDrogon> but the reason is probably because there is no $PATH set.
[20:55] <gordonDrogon> It will work from the command-line as you have a $PATH, but you get minimal/no $PATH from cron.
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[21:00] <sunri5e> gordonDrogon
[21:00] <sunri5e> How could i fix it?
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[21:01] <sunri5e> The script @pastebin http://pastebin.com/rga7XV0s
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[21:03] <gordonDrogon> type: echo $PATH
[21:03] <gordonDrogon> and put that path at the start of you script.
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[21:10] <sunri5e> like this: PATH="/usr/local/sbin:/usr/local/bin:/usr/sbin:/usr/bin:/sbin:/bin:/usr/local/games:/usr/games:/opt/jdk1.8.0/bin" ==
[21:10] <sunri5e> ?
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[21:13] <gordonDrogon> yes.
[21:15] <sunri5e> kay, thanks :)
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[22:25] <gordonDrogon> Davespice, you there?
[22:26] <gordonDrogon> Davespice, http://unicorn.drogon.net/aws.jpg and http://unicorn.drogon.net/aws1.jpg and http://unicorn.drogon.net/aws2.jpg Arduino sending wireless data back to a Pi.
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[23:10] <Raynerd> Hi, is the chap I am purchasing this wind sensor for on? I know your real name but not you irc name!!
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[23:11] <Raynerd> :-/
[23:12] <Datalink-M> Raynerd, not the most exact name... maybe you could e-mail your question to him?
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[23:12] <edjuh_> :D
[23:12] <Raynerd> I don't get you.
[23:12] <Raynerd> If I had his email I'd have used that wouldn't i!!
[23:13] <CDR`> How did you meet them in the first place?!
[23:13] <Raynerd> This is a joke right,,,
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[23:13] <CDR`> You met someone, know their real name, but have no other contact details for them?
[23:13] <Raynerd> Yes, I'm sorry. Silly me to think I'd catch the chap I promised to purchase a wind sensor for on the raspberrypi irc chat!
[23:14] <CDR`> When did you first speak to him
[23:14] <CDR`> seeing this is the first time you've joined the channel in the past 20 hrs
[23:14] <Raynerd> He is on all the time... You aren't him.
[23:14] <CDR`> Correct observations.
[23:15] <CDR`> I definately am not
[23:17] <Raynerd> rikkib: You about?
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[23:20] <justinzane> Hello all
[23:20] <Raynerd> rikkib: Hope I've got the right person, send me an email about wind sensor if it is you. The paypal you sent, it won't let me claim the payment and I can't email you as it says ur email isn't verified or something...
[23:20] <Raynerd> Hi
[23:20] <justinzane> I need some assistance troubleshooting the RPi camera on arch-arm
[23:21] <rikkib> Hi
[23:21] <Raynerd> Hi! Right person yes???
[23:21] <rikkib> I will send paypal an email
[23:21] <Raynerd> Cheers
[23:22] <Raynerd> Apparently you can cancel it if you like, i definately cant claim it!
[23:22] <rikkib> Are you not able to send me email at pwb at bencom?
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[23:22] <Raynerd> Ahhh! Sorry, forgot we had made email corresepondance.
[23:23] <rikkib> Send me an email... With any error is you can.
[23:23] <rikkib> if
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