#raspberrypi IRC Log


IRC Log for 2014-03-21

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[0:16] <justinzane> is there anyone who has a Pi and Pi Camera working on Arch-ARM?
[0:17] <ShorTie> i've taken a few pictures with arch
[0:17] <ShorTie> if that counts
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[0:28] <ectospasm> I have questions about the RPi polyfuse
[0:28] <ShorTie> it's green
[0:28] <ectospasm> Some would say it can take days for it to cool down and liquify
[0:29] <ectospasm> er, crystallize
[0:29] <ectospasm> when it gets too hot it melts and causes the resistance to go up
[0:29] <ShorTie> i don't think days
[0:29] <ectospasm> well, depending on whether you disconnect power in it
[0:30] <ShorTie> if it is gonna reset i would an hour at the most
[0:30] <ectospasm> I stuck my RPi in the freezer for three hours since I didn't want to wait.
[0:30] <ectospasm> Seems to have done the trick
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[0:33] <blockh34d> what did you have to do to get that fuse to trip?
[0:33] <blockh34d> i didn't think it was even possible to work the chip that hard
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[0:34] <ShorTie> over drawing the usb port is most likely the easiest way
[0:34] <shiftplusone> the chip doesn't have to do much, you can just draw from the 5v or 3.3v lines on gpio or usb
[0:35] <ectospasm> I'm not rightly sure... I think I was stressing over a suspect SD card, tore the SD card out without thinking, and maybe disconnected power suddenly
[0:36] <ShorTie> don't really see much there to cause it to trip
[0:37] <ectospasm> no, that's why I said I don't know.
[0:37] <ShorTie> sure power supply is only supplying 5v, or 5.3v at absolute max
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[0:38] <ectospasm> I can't find my voltmeter
[0:38] <ectospasm> Or at least, can't be bothered to go find it.
[0:38] <shiftplusone> What's the question though? "I have questions about the RPi polyfuse" I am not sure if I am blind or if you haven't asked anything yet.
[0:38] <ectospasm> I bet its battery is dead
[0:39] <ectospasm> OH! The question! Have I done any harm to my RPi by putting it in the freezer for three hours? The only thing I could think of is condensation/frost, but it's a frost-free freezer afaict
[0:40] <blockh34d> shiftplusone: i thought so! someone said you couldnt tax the chip too much the other day and the usb drivers were the first thing that came to mind
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[0:42] <shiftplusone> ectospasm, possible, but unlikely.
[0:42] <ectospasm> that's what I thought.
[0:42] <ectospasm> I'm watching my test video on it now
[0:42] <shiftplusone> (well, not possible if you haven't turned it on without... drying)
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[1:01] <justinzane> ShorTie: Using the RPi and its camera (not a webcam or gpio cam)
[1:01] <ShorTie> yes sir
[1:02] <justinzane> Would you be willing to gist/pastebin your config.txt and cmdline.txt files for me, please, ShorTie
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[1:03] <justinzane> and maybe a "vcgencmd version" as well?
[1:04] <ShorTie> they are stock except for adding the camera to config.txt
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[1:05] <ShorTie> can i ask what your trying to do or accomplish ??
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[1:07] <justinzane> ShorTie: What do you mean adding the camera? What would diff config.txt.stock and config.txt.camera look like?
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[1:07] <justinzane> ShorTie: I'm trying to get the camera to work on Arch-ARM
[1:08] <justinzane> It works on raspian, but I cannot get it to work on Arch
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[1:08] <ShorTie> there are 3 lines you need to add to config.txt to intialize it
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[1:10] <ShorTie> oops 2 lines
[1:11] <ShorTie> echo "start_file=start_x.elf" >> /boot/config.txt
[1:11] <ShorTie> echo "fixup_file=fixup_x.dat" >> /boot/config.txt
[1:11] <justinzane> Ok, I've got "start_file=start.elf\nfixup_file=fixup.dat"
[1:11] * ShorTie was counting the space, echo "" >> /boot/config.txt
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[1:12] <justinzane> I've tried both versions (with and without _x), to no avail.
[1:13] <justinzane> That is what confuzelles me.
[1:13] <ShorTie> you sure it is seeing the \n for a carrige return/line feed
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[1:13] <justinzane> I've edited it in "nano" on an arch box on two lines. Just did not want to paste multiline on irc.
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[1:15] <ShorTie> don't know if nano knows a \n, make sure they are on different lines
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[1:29] <jdanna> hi, is there an easy way in raspian to change the default framebuffer device
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[1:29] <jdanna> i have a adafruit touchscreen isntalled, but its /dev/fb1
[1:29] <jdanna> and i want it to boot up with X automatically running on that device
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[1:31] <plugwash> hmm, is there an option in the x configuration for that........................
[1:31] <plugwash> (just guessing here)
[1:31] <jdanna> hoenstly i havent used a linux X server since xfree86
[1:31] <jdanna> i have no idea how to configure it :P
[1:31] <jdanna> all my machines are solaris these days
[1:32] <jdanna> hoenstly i was thinkgin of just rm /dev/fb0
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[1:32] <jdanna> and ln -s /dev/fb1 /dev/fb0
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[1:32] <jdanna> i know thats a hack
[1:33] <jdanna> but i wonder if it will even work
[1:36] <jdanna> nope
[1:36] <jdanna> i thin it remakes the devices when it boods
[1:36] <jdanna> boots
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[1:39] <sney> perhaps you can tell udev to name the adafruit screen as /dev/fb0 with a rule
[1:40] <jdanna> that would be perfect
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[1:41] <jdanna> no idea how
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[1:46] <jdanna> im trying an rc.local hack now
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[1:47] <ectospasm> rc.local is always a hack, depending on the OS
[1:48] <sney> jdanna: http://www.reactivated.net/writing_udev_rules.html
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[1:48] <shiftplusone> jdanna, edit /usr/share/X11/xorg.conf.d/99-fbturbo.conf
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[1:48] <shiftplusone> the framebuffer device is defined there
[1:49] <shiftplusone> (assuming you're running fbturbo)
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[1:49] <jdanna> im not, the touchscreen instructions specifically said not to
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[1:50] <shiftplusone> have you tried FRAMEBUFFER=/dev/fb1 startx?
[1:50] <jdanna> yea that works fine, but i want it to be on startup since i wont have a keyboard plugged into this
[1:50] <shiftplusone> ah sure, you need to specify th fbdev option in a xorg config file
[1:51] <shiftplusone> so you can base something on 99-fbturbo.conf and strip out everything but the stuf that Option "fbdev" "/dev/fb1" would be nested in
[1:51] <jdanna> my raspian didnt even have fbtubo.conf
[1:52] <jdanna> (its a pretty old install)
[1:52] <shiftplusone> can someone pastebin it?
[1:52] * sney looks
[1:53] <shiftplusone> should be /usr/share/X11/xorg.conf.d/99-fbturbo.conf
[1:53] <jdanna> nope, nothing there
[1:54] <shiftplusone> jdanna, I mean that for someone who has fbturbo installed.
[1:54] <jdanna> oooh
[1:54] <jdanna> ;)
[1:54] <shiftplusone> I am just not sure what section that option goes under, so need something to compare to.
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[1:55] <shiftplusone> I think it should be nested in Section "Device" ... EndSection
[1:55] <sney> got it, gimme a second to paste
[1:56] <sney> had a brief auth confusion wherein I forgot I didn't have the default 'pi' user anymore
[1:57] <sney> http://paste.debian.net/88807/
[1:58] <shiftplusone> thanks
[1:58] <jdanna> bingo!
[1:58] <shiftplusone> so... you need to do something like that
[1:58] <jdanna> just change fbturbo to fbdev
[1:58] <jdanna> and get rid of the other options
[1:58] <jdanna> boots right into it
[1:58] <jdanna> thanks so much
[1:58] <shiftplusone> awesome
[1:58] <jdanna> one more dumb question
[1:58] <jdanna> any easy way to disable mouse cursor
[1:59] <jdanna> like if i ran startx -- -nocursor
[1:59] <shiftplusone> sec, googling
[2:01] <shiftplusone> can't find a relevant xorg.conf option for that =/
[2:01] <shiftplusone> are you using lightdm?
[2:01] <shiftplusone> or rather, how are you starting X in the first place?
[2:02] <jdanna> yea me either
[2:02] <jdanna> http://raspberrypi.stackexchange.com/questions/2092/hide-cursor-in-raspbian im gonna try this
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[2:06] <jdanna> seems to work, lets see if i can autostart it );)
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[2:07] <jdanna> !
[2:07] <jdanna> works perfectly
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[2:08] <jdanna> now i have a touchscreen dashboard for my kegerator
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[2:11] <jdanna> shiftplusone: http://imgur.com/a/7VJ6a in case your interested in what you just got working for me
[2:11] <jdanna> the pi is gonna be mounted in the wall above the tap
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[2:13] <Jeebiss> jdanna: thats really impressive
[2:13] <jdanna> thanks
[2:13] <jdanna> its been a long long road
[2:14] <Jeebiss> Its awesome that you took pictures as you went
[2:14] <shiftplusone> jdanna, nice!
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[2:14] <jdanna> im taking a few shitty cellphone pics of the pi with the touchscreen on it and the latest dashboard code
[2:14] <shiftplusone> jdanna, keep in mind the channel's family friendly nature though.
[2:14] <jdanna> ill take real once once i get a bezel made for it
[2:14] <jdanna> wait what
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[2:16] <shiftplusone> check /topic (referring to language, not... refrigeration)
[2:17] <jdanna> ooooh sorry
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[2:17] <jdanna> i thought for a second i accidently had something in the pictures
[2:17] <jdanna> wasnt even thingking]
[2:17] <shiftplusone> heh
[2:18] <blockh34d> man... trying to help this guy with some python, its just liek pulling teeth
[2:18] <shiftplusone> I really like the build though. If you sent it to Liz, I am sure it would get on the front page.
[2:18] <blockh34d> i guess i see why people just flat out refuse to help people with their jobapp questions
[2:19] <jdanna> front page of what?
[2:19] <blockh34d> gonna try to load it again
[2:19] <blockh34d> imgur keeps crashing iceweasel
[2:19] <shiftplusone> raspberrypi.org (they tend to feature such things)
[2:19] <jdanna> http://i.imgur.com/ucfO4cs.jpg http://i.imgur.com/ktMY5RW.jpg http://i.imgur.com/MSJBHkG.jpg
[2:19] <jdanna> quality is terrrible but you get the idea
[2:20] <jdanna> shiftplusone: hopefully within a week or so i should have a bezel done and it in the wall
[2:20] <jdanna> i wonder, can i power a pi off of another pi's USB port?
[2:20] <jdanna> cause if i can ill daischain this one right to the one running the server
[2:20] <blockh34d> oh thanks thats much easier
[2:21] <shiftplusone> You can, but I am not sure you'll get enough power through for the pi + lcd without shorting out the polyfuse.
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[2:21] <jdanna> hrm, ok forget that ill just get another usb wallwart
[2:21] <jdanna> not worth messing with
[2:21] <shiftplusone> If the wallwart is good enough, you can split its output instead
[2:21] <jdanna> yea thats true
[2:21] <shiftplusone> or use an atx supply
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[2:22] <jdanna> im gonna use like
[2:22] <jdanna> a square of black acrylic
[2:22] <jdanna> to mount this to the wall
[2:22] <jdanna> so its a nice bezel that matches the gloss black tile
[2:22] <blockh34d> yah thats is really cool!
[2:22] <jdanna> and itll go right about the tap
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[2:22] <blockh34d> maybe you could get weight sensors in the mix to estimate how much beer remains?
[2:22] <jdanna> thought about it
[2:23] <jdanna> they arent accurate enough
[2:23] <jdanna> unfortunatly
[2:23] <jdanna> some guys use flow sensors
[2:23] <blockh34d> yah i dunno what else you could do
[2:23] <jdanna> but i dont like that cause the impellers could be a nice place for bacteria to hide
[2:23] <blockh34d> kegs dont have a floater in them right?
[2:23] <jdanna> nope
[2:23] <blockh34d> maybe you could keep it in something that as it gets empty it floats in, and then measure how much its floating?
[2:24] <blockh34d> ie make the whole keg a floater
[2:24] <blockh34d> meh i dunno, someday
[2:24] <jdanna> what fill the kegerator with water?
[2:24] <blockh34d> what you got is already awesome
[2:24] <jdanna> hoenstly i dont think it would support the weight
[2:24] <jdanna> that would be heavy
[2:24] <jdanna> also it would be a mess to keep clean and maintain
[2:24] <blockh34d> yah i don't even really know what a kegerator looks like honestly
[2:24] <blockh34d> i just picture a keg
[2:24] <blockh34d> with some hookups
[2:24] <chris_99> load cells don't work well at measuring something unless you take it off every now and again to re-cal
[2:24] <jdanna> blockh34d: you said imgur wasnt working?
[2:25] <blockh34d> well i'm on a pi
[2:25] <jdanna> ah
[2:25] <jdanna> ohld on
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[2:25] <blockh34d> i used wget to get the .jpg links
[2:25] <blockh34d> it was much easier to deal with
[2:25] <jdanna> http://i.imgur.com/hZ59TbX.jpg
[2:25] <blockh34d> flash is a dream killer
[2:25] <blockh34d> on pi
[2:26] <jdanna> http://i.imgur.com/4PFzclW.jpg
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[2:26] <jdanna> shiftplusone: if you think i should submit this to the site thats cool but im gonna wait until i get the second pi moutned in the wall
[2:27] <jdanna> so itll be totally done
[2:27] <blockh34d> oh i see
[2:27] <blockh34d> pretty nifty
[2:27] <blockh34d> do they make one for coffee? thats my drink :)
[2:28] <blockh34d> yah forget about floating that
[2:28] <jdanna> brb gotta put the baby to bed
[2:28] <shiftplusone> It was just an idea (and a compliment). It's always good to see what people are using their pis for.
[2:29] <blockh34d> maybe a studfinder?
[2:29] <blockh34d> up against the actual keg inside the housing
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[2:31] <blockh34d> really is a very neat project. Good luck with the plate i bet that will polish it off nicely
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[2:36] <jdanna> thanks
[2:37] <jdanna> the arduino+pi over usb serial combo is realllly nice
[2:37] <blockh34d> i bet
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[2:37] <blockh34d> a project i want to do looks a little similar maybe
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[2:38] <blockh34d> instead of temp sensors it would be maybe 5-10 range sensors, ultrasonic
[2:38] <blockh34d> arranged in a ring, you'd wear them like a headband
[2:38] <blockh34d> they'd know the range to nearby obstacles and at first just display that range with chart like you've done with temp
[2:39] <blockh34d> but then once thats sorted, use the distance in any direction to modulate the pressure of a bladder of air mounted in that same direction
[2:39] <blockh34d> and implementa system of compressed air and vacuam in seperate chambers to allow rapid inflation/deflation of any of those blatters
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[2:40] <blockh34d> so it'd be like a sonar helmet for blind people
[2:40] <blockh34d> and as things get closer, little sacks of air would push against their forehead a little in that direction
[2:40] <blockh34d> project: daredevil
[2:40] <Jeebiss> Can anyone tell me why my pi hangs up when booting? It displays a bunch of jibberish to me.
[2:40] <Jeebiss> https://www.dropbox.com/s/fakt3uipp2njdbf/2014-03-20%2021.38.10.jpg
[2:41] <Jeebiss> I have a freshly installed NOOBs Raspbian, and all I have done is install wiringpi
[2:41] <shiftplusone> sure does look like jibberish to me, but I don't understand backtraces.
[2:42] <blockh34d> yah all i can make of that is that the boot up rocess is taking a really long time
[2:42] <blockh34d> 240+ seconds? soemting went very wrong
[2:42] <shiftplusone> My uneducated guess is that your sd card got corrupted.
[2:42] <Jeebiss> Bah
[2:42] <Jeebiss> I just redid the damn thing lol
[2:42] <blockh34d> i would second that guess
[2:43] <blockh34d> but maybe you could try first unplugging every single thing you can from the rpi
[2:43] <blockh34d> then unplugging it from power and give it a sec
[2:43] <blockh34d> then try again
[2:43] <Jeebiss> Good call, Ill give that a go
[2:43] <blockh34d> couldnt hurt
[2:44] <blockh34d> i should crank an aurdino or two back up here soon
[2:44] <Jeebiss> Ill grab a picture of where is stops the first time
[2:44] <blockh34d> they're fun
[2:44] <Jeebiss> Oh wait
[2:44] <Jeebiss> now it booted
[2:44] <Jeebiss> properly.
[2:44] <blockh34d> success
[2:44] <blockh34d> what changed?
[2:44] <Jeebiss> I unplugged all my usb and i/o
[2:44] <blockh34d> there ya go
[2:44] <blockh34d> some usb interferes with boot for me too
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[2:45] <Jeebiss> Ive had the same usb stuff for a long time now with no issues.
[2:45] <blockh34d> so i have to unplug it all during boot. I use a external powered hub with its own switch so thats pretty easy
[2:45] <Jeebiss> Ah, my pi is on the hub with everything else
[2:45] <blockh34d> thats weird
[2:45] <blockh34d> ahhh
[2:45] <blockh34d> did you know you can plug the hub into the pi and it will get power through that connection?
[2:45] <blockh34d> powered hubs anyways
[2:46] <Jeebiss> You mean power through the usb port?
[2:46] <blockh34d> yah
[2:46] <blockh34d> so you don't need anything plugged into the rpi power socket
[2:46] <Jeebiss> Yeah, thats super sketchy way to do it haha
[2:46] <blockh34d> works for me
[2:46] <Jeebiss> You lose your power protection stuff that way
[2:46] <blockh34d> for months now. what makes it sketchy?
[2:46] <blockh34d> oh
[2:46] <blockh34d> i should probably look into that
[2:46] <Jeebiss> I am no expert, but I have read some horror stories about it
[2:47] <blockh34d> well i'm an enthusiast so i'd like to know, i'll check it out
[2:47] <blockh34d> i love these lil rpi's
[2:47] <Jeebiss> My hub doesnt back feed like that, so I just run a usb cord to the pi's power right from the hub.
[2:47] <blockh34d> i can't wait for new ones, and a bigger / better gams market
[2:47] <Jeebiss> gams?
[2:47] <blockh34d> games even
[2:47] <Jeebiss> ah gotcha
[2:47] <blockh34d> yah i think rpi is a great games machine if done right
[2:48] <blockh34d> not fancy games
[2:48] <blockh34d> but your games and my games
[2:48] <blockh34d> they be fun because we made em
[2:48] <blockh34d> they'd even
[2:48] <blockh34d> so i'm working on a library, kinda helps with that some
[2:48] <blockh34d> so people could make a game with minimal interaction with backend stuff, and a kinda standardized way to handle the larger mechanics of gameplay management
[2:49] <blockh34d> input management, state management, networking, etc
[2:49] <blockh34d> no one really cares about that stuff they just want it to work. i think i got it covered pretty good, so people could use that as a starting point.
[2:50] <blockh34d> i think thats whats gonna help motivate the chiltens to lern them some coding
[2:50] <blockh34d> they'll want to make/improve games to share with their friends, if those games are multiuser and playable from start (which my framework would allow)
[2:50] <blockh34d> i think it'd have a minecraft effect
[2:50] <Jeebiss> This may be a dumb question, but when I move my stepper motor around, it skips steps...
[2:50] <blockh34d> dang i talk a lot. ok gonna go do something else.
[2:51] <Jeebiss> What would cause that?
[2:51] <blockh34d> i have never done much with steppers
[2:51] <blockh34d> the reprap guys might be able to help
[2:51] <blockh34d> #reprap
[2:52] <blockh34d> they love them some stepper motors
[2:52] <Jeebiss> Ill give that a shot
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[2:55] <blockh34d> oh well, worth a shot
[2:55] <blockh34d> maybe sparkfun has a channel?
[2:56] <shiftplusone> it does
[2:56] <blockh34d> that would be my next guess then
[2:57] <shiftplusone> I haven't been folowwing the conversation, but ##electronics is a very active channel.
[2:57] <shiftplusone> *following
[2:57] <blockh34d> oh cool
[2:57] <blockh34d> jeebis is having stepper motor troubles
[2:57] <blockh34d> and i'm bored
[2:57] <blockh34d> not really helpful so i'm just trying to stay out of the way :)
[2:58] <blockh34d> i should get some stepper motors, figure them out good
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[2:59] <blockh34d> anyone have any idea how someone could implement multiple picam's from one pi?
[2:59] <blockh34d> even if only one at a time
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[3:29] <shiftplusone> blockh34d, I think physical switching is the only way that can currently work.
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[3:29] <blockh34d> i think you're right
[3:30] <blockh34d> i daydream about a breakout board though, that plugs into the one socket provided now and allows up to say, 4 cameras
[3:30] <blockh34d> even if at a lower res, or a limited number availabe at once
[3:31] <shiftplusone> sounds like a kickstarter idea for you
[3:31] <blockh34d> maybe for you, good luck
[3:31] <shiftplusone> heh
[3:31] <blockh34d> if i try to make that happen it will fail to spite me
[3:32] <blockh34d> my experiences with kickstarter have been less than awesome so far
[3:33] <blockh34d> but i can't complain, they provide an awesome service, i guess it can't always workout
[3:35] <blockh34d> i wonder if cameras could be hotswapped if you loaded/unloaded the drivers mabye or something between switchs
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[3:35] <shiftplusone> I've backed a few things that have failed, and in hindsight, it was stupid to back them in the first place so... lesson learned, I guess.
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[3:36] <shiftplusone> ah, so the problem is that even with physical switching, there are issues?
[3:37] <blockh34d> well i havent tried it yet
[3:37] <blockh34d> but it seems like there owuld be
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[3:37] <blockh34d> since i think the camera has its own little boot up process
[3:37] <blockh34d> i think
[3:38] <blockh34d> i should figure that out
[3:38] <blockh34d> probably going to fry a camera
[3:38] <shiftplusone> hm
[3:38] <blockh34d> maybe i could keep several powered up at once and just cycle the data lines
[3:39] <blockh34d> so their whozits are all charged and such
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[3:57] <tonsofpcs> hi, I'm looking at the GPIO connectors and I'm a bit confused. Pins 4/9/14/17/20/25 are listed as "DNC" on Rev 1 and 5v (pin 4) and ground (rest) on rev2. Are they not connected on rev1 or are they connected but there was concerns about using them?
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[3:58] <tonsofpcs> specifically, I built an interface against a v2 board that is having issues and I have a v1 on hand to replace it but I need a ground on pin 14. I was wondering if I could expect it to work or if I could wire pins 6 and 14 together or if it was a lost cause.
[3:58] <shiftplusone> their use wasn't finalised, but they were connected
[3:58] <tonsofpcs> are they pinned the same as v2?
[3:58] <tonsofpcs> (other than pin 13 which was a noted change)
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[3:59] <shiftplusone> Don't remember, I'd have to look at the schematics. just pin 6 and 14 are the ones you're interested in?
[3:59] <tonsofpcs> pin6 is marked as gnd on both. Pin 14 is the one of concern
[4:00] <shiftplusone> yup, it's grounded on rev1 too
[4:00] <tonsofpcs> awesome, thanks.
[4:00] <shiftplusone> http://www.raspberrypi.org/wp-content/uploads/2012/04/Raspberry-Pi-Schematics-R1.0.pdf http://www.raspberrypi.org/wp-content/uploads/2012/10/Raspberry-Pi-R2.0-Schematics-Issue2.2_027.pdf
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[4:03] <tonsofpcs> replaced :)
[4:04] <tonsofpcs> I find it interesting that my rev 2 board that's been having fault issues (hard crashes, various SD cards, various uses, various linuxes) has solder filling some of the P5, P2, and P3 holes while the rev2 board without issues does not...
[4:05] <shiftplusone> eh?
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[4:07] <tonsofpcs> the reason I'm replacing the v2 board with the v1 is that it has been hard crashing. I originally had it working running openelec but it would hard crash after 15 - 20 minutes of playing back HD shows sometimes. I replaced it with a different v2 board and had no issues, moved it to use a a thermost at and it hard crashed yesterday in the middle of writing a line of text to a log (single print command in python, piped > with bash)
[4:07] <shiftplusone> same power supply and cable?
[4:08] <tonsofpcs> i've tried various power supplies and cables
[4:09] <shiftplusone> =/
[4:09] <shiftplusone> odd
[4:09] <tonsofpcs> other pis work fine with the same psu and cable in the same places, etc.
[4:09] <tonsofpcs> it's definitely a problem pi
[4:09] <shiftplusone> did you return it for a refund?
[4:10] <tonsofpcs> I just disconnected it about 10 minutes ago.
[4:10] <shiftplusone> well, will you?
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[4:10] <tonsofpcs> will they still do that a year and a half after I bought it?
[4:10] <shiftplusone> nuh
[4:10] <tonsofpcs> and honestly, I'm probably going to just order another pi and put this one at the makerspace as a development test board with a note not to put it into production.
[4:11] <shiftplusone> fair enough
[4:11] <tonsofpcs> it works fine for 20 minutes at full load and probably 28 hours at light load
[4:12] <shiftplusone> have you measured the voltage when it fails? Maybe the polyfuse is tripping for some reason?
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[4:12] <tonsofpcs> I just noticed on removing it though that P2/3/5 have solder filling some of the pin holes and the good rev2 pi that's running openelec now has no such solder
[4:12] <tonsofpcs> I thought there was no polyfuse on rev2?
[4:12] <shiftplusone> no polyfuses on USB side, but there's still the main one
[4:13] <tonsofpcs> ah
[4:13] <tonsofpcs> and it's interesting failure modes. I can't tell the recent one, but when it was in HTPC mode, sometimes the fault would take out the output video (but push black iirc... been a while, I suppose I could test again) and sometimes it would just freeze the output video. all i/o would be halted as well in either state.
[4:13] <tonsofpcs> (HDMI)
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[4:14] <shiftplusone> hm
[4:16] <tonsofpcs> oh well, new old [v1] pi is in place as thermostat, running a relay test now...
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[4:17] <tonsofpcs> once I have it working, I'll need to figure out a way to take my logged data and generate charts of temperature, target temperature, target tolerances, and status (hold-off, warming, cooling)...
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[4:56] <tonsofpcs> hmm, apparently I'm only getting 4.2v on pin2....
[4:56] <shiftplusone> sounds about right if you're having stability issues
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[5:00] <tonsofpcs> this is on the rev1 pi...
[5:00] <tonsofpcs> it's not throwing the relay. the rev2 was.
[5:00] <tonsofpcs> (it is lighting the LED)
[5:00] <shiftplusone> it still sounds like you've got a bad power supply or you're tripping your polyfuse.
[5:00] <shiftplusone> While you're at it, measure the voltage across the polyfuse
[5:01] <shiftplusone> (the green thing under the microusb connector)
[5:01] <tonsofpcs> under, meaning on the backside?
[5:02] <shiftplusone> aye
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[5:03] <AbbyTheRat> Rawr! I'm sick! ph34r me
[5:04] <shiftplusone> =(
[5:04] <AbbyTheRat> and still no pi yet
[5:04] <AbbyTheRat> *Sniff*
[5:05] <shiftplusone> at least you've got one coming
[5:05] <AbbyTheRat> true, just be nice to get my hand on it, tis all
[5:06] <shiftplusone> aye
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[5:06] <AbbyTheRat> although I discovered this http://www.reddit.com/r/raspberry_pi/comments/20qk05/finally_finished_raspberry_pi_wifi_radio_ive/
[5:07] <AbbyTheRat> I might include a radio into my pi.. it would work
[5:07] <shiftplusone> nice
[5:07] <shiftplusone> tonsofpcs, how goes the investigation?
[5:10] <AbbyTheRat> I might include this into the project as well - http://www.pi-supply.com/product/pi-supply-raspberry-pi-power-switch/ (as learned from the reddit thread)
[5:10] <AbbyTheRat> it seems useful, considering I'm enclosing my project a bit
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[5:14] <AbbyTheRat> but this is another option that I'm thinking about, http://www.pi-supply.com/product/upis-advanced-uninterruptable-power-intelligent-supply/ since it's a alarm clock, it be important to keep it alive.
[5:14] <AbbyTheRat> Just more costly
[5:14] <shiftplusone> they both seem a bit costly for what they are =/
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[5:18] <AbbyTheRat> true �\_(?)_/� I wouldn't know
[5:18] <AbbyTheRat> what I know about eletrotic prices is limited
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[5:20] <shiftplusone> it's a fair price taking into account it's not mass produced china crap, but I'd just go for a generic usb battery pack thing and make my own switch.
[5:23] <tonsofpcs> 0v43
[5:23] <tonsofpcs> shiftplusone: ^
[5:23] <shiftplusone> so you're losing half a volt there?
[5:23] <tonsofpcs> apparently.
[5:24] <shiftplusone> so... you're drawing too much from your pis then.
[5:25] <shiftplusone> the relay is powered from GPIO's 5v line with no aux supply?
[5:25] <tonsofpcs> shiftplusone: that's how it's wired right now but I think I'm going to change that.
[5:25] <tonsofpcs> that said, the measurement I just made was with the pin low...
[5:26] <shiftplusone> it takes ages to reset
[5:26] <shiftplusone> so it will have a high resistance for a while.
[5:26] <AbbyTheRat> shiftplusone, I'd do that but as I said, my knowledge is currently limited, what I know is what I read from varies crap.. I'm not orginal :/
[5:27] <shiftplusone> heh
[5:27] <AbbyTheRat> even my python codes is bodged together from tutionals I could find that matches what I want
[5:27] <AbbyTheRat> <_<
[5:28] <AbbyTheRat> let say bug glore!
[5:28] <shiftplusone> many of us start as copy/paste programmers
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[5:29] <blockh34d> lol when i started there was no copy and paste, and it was true anyways
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[5:29] <blockh34d> i had to literally type in lines of code from the back of magazines
[5:29] <AbbyTheRat> which is why I'm struggling with my python cause it gotta do so much on sockets.. people say twisted but Googles Library is all oauth and there's no examples for it
[5:29] <AbbyTheRat> been finding it very byond my abilities and #python was very elitist at me, ugh
[5:30] <blockh34d> my dad was too lazy to do it so he paid me a penny a line, and i learned by figuring out how to debug the problems that made it pass the editors
[5:30] <blockh34d> oh yah its horrible in there sometimes
[5:30] <blockh34d> eveyroens got some weird axe to grind
[5:30] <AbbyTheRat> I'm extremely good at debugging. I'm good at bodging codes together if they are similar enough
[5:30] <blockh34d> i do ok with python i'll answer any questions if you want
[5:30] <shiftplusone> I joined #python for a bit.
[5:30] <shiftplusone> saw the topic and figured it wasn't for me
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[5:31] <AbbyTheRat> The story how I learned java, went like this
[5:31] <AbbyTheRat> there was a werebot hanging around on the internet, it had a bit of a nasty bug in it, I was using it in my #werewolf channel
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[5:32] <AbbyTheRat> I took it on.. fixed the bug then figured.. this was crap and ended up rewriting it
[5:32] <AbbyTheRat> it was so much better, well it was until I went too far and lost interest, ha
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[5:32] <blockh34d> yes the quest for the brass ring... elusive
[5:33] <blockh34d> it always looks so close, but the closer you get, the farther away it is
[5:33] <shiftplusone> AbbyTheRat, are you familiar with python basics? Difference between tuples, lists and dictionaries, how loops and conditional statements work and all of that?
[5:33] <AbbyTheRat> tuples/list and dictionaries took a while.. still not familier :D
[5:33] <AbbyTheRat> but I got to grips with them
[5:33] <blockh34d> same, i muddle through it
[5:33] <AbbyTheRat> conditional statements is kinda easy thou
[5:33] <blockh34d> for me it's always going to be arrays, objects, strings
[5:33] <blockh34d> other stuff calls it other things but thats what it is in my head
[5:34] <AbbyTheRat> yeah, that's why it took me a wahile
[5:34] <AbbyTheRat> everything in Python is objects thou
[5:34] <AbbyTheRat> even the array is
[5:34] <blockh34d> yah lists are arrays
[5:34] <AbbyTheRat> not to much of a problem but still
[5:34] <blockh34d> just called lists for some reason
[5:34] <AbbyTheRat> the naming just.. argh!
[5:34] <blockh34d> sets are like lists but the don't change, ever
[5:34] <blockh34d> so they're faster
[5:34] <blockh34d> and dictionaries are like objects, name based storage
[5:35] <blockh34d> mydict["mykey"] = someval
[5:35] <blockh34d> what is a tuple though
[5:35] <AbbyTheRat> sets are stil objects thou
[5:35] <blockh34d> beats me
[5:35] <shiftplusone> tuple is what you called a set
[5:35] <blockh34d> shiftplusone knows
[5:35] <blockh34d> oh ok
[5:35] <shiftplusone> or is there something called a set in python as well?
[5:35] <blockh34d> awesome, i do know what a tuple is
[5:35] <shiftplusone> Ah, I see there are sets as well....
[5:35] <blockh34d> i've heard it called a set somewhere
[5:36] * shiftplusone gets the manual out.
[5:36] <AbbyTheRat> turples is er.. *tries to remember the name*
[5:36] <blockh34d> must have stuck better than 'tuple'
[5:36] <AbbyTheRat> key/value array
[5:36] <AbbyTheRat> Java had a name for it but off the top of my head I can't remember
[5:36] <blockh34d> i think key/value is dict
[5:36] <blockh34d> in python
[5:36] <shiftplusone> ^ yup
[5:36] <AbbyTheRat> I actually use it in one of my project, the weather part
[5:36] <AbbyTheRat> see! I suck! D:
[5:37] <blockh34d> nah pythons just got a lot of little gotchas
[5:37] <AbbyTheRat> but here, this is where I'm stuck, I gotta somehow make this work with an interface and my knowledge of sockets is just like
[5:37] <blockh34d> the terminology is a bit much
[5:37] <AbbyTheRat> they are mostly blocking unless you code to avoid it
[5:37] <blockh34d> i didn't understand how important the tabbing was at first... nothing but problems
[5:38] <blockh34d> oh you are really going 0->100 there
[5:38] <blockh34d> from hello world to async sockets
[5:38] <AbbyTheRat> yeeep!! :D
[5:38] <AbbyTheRat> people were like "twisted is great"
[5:38] <blockh34d> maybe you'd have better luck with twisted web
[5:38] <blockh34d> yah thats what people say
[5:38] <AbbyTheRat> problem is there's nothing, for Oauth
[5:38] <blockh34d> i wouldnt know i've never used twisted
[5:38] <AbbyTheRat> I got it working for my weather project
[5:39] <AbbyTheRat> but Google calendar part.. .....
[5:39] <blockh34d> i made my own async server
[5:39] <AbbyTheRat> ****..
[5:39] <blockh34d> it was a colossal pita
[5:39] <blockh34d> full of weird tweaking
[5:39] <blockh34d> took forever
[5:39] <blockh34d> eventually ran great
[5:39] <blockh34d> forever, super stable, was great
[5:39] <blockh34d> wish i still had the code, ugh
[5:40] <shiftplusone> blockh34d, after consulting the docs. What you described as sets sounds like tuples... an immutable lists (for example, days of the week). Sets, on the other hand are mutable and unordered. It's more akin to mathematical sets.
[5:40] <AbbyTheRat> okie, now imagine that, plus no tutional, plus no examples for OAuth for twisted and modifying codes somehow to work with twisted
[5:40] <blockh34d> oh ok thanks
[5:40] <AbbyTheRat> it blew my mind
[5:40] <blockh34d> i'm bad with the terminology
[5:40] <blockh34d> heres what sunk in for me
[5:40] <blockh34d> if you use [] it might be slower than using ()
[5:41] <AbbyTheRat> so I needed to figure out a more simple way of solving the blocking problem
[5:41] <AbbyTheRat> there's also {}
[5:41] <shiftplusone> yeah
[5:41] <blockh34d> myobj = [something, another, soemtingelse], slower than myobj = ( 0, "12", True)
[5:41] <AbbyTheRat> otherwise I'll have a nasty lag on pressing buttons
[5:42] <AbbyTheRat> and updating the displa
[5:42] <blockh34d> ok well for cheap hacks...
[5:42] <AbbyTheRat> so I thought maybe just two threads
[5:42] <blockh34d> how about putting the code that triggers the network event in a seperate python script
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[5:42] <AbbyTheRat> one to fetch data and do my best to make it as non-blocking as possible and store it to a cache of sort
[5:42] <blockh34d> than calling that script with pexpect
[5:42] <blockh34d> which will run it within its own thread and you won't evne know its there
[5:42] <blockh34d> i think
[5:43] <blockh34d> never tried it but thats my suspicion from using pexpect a lot for my video palyer
[5:43] <AbbyTheRat> and main thread handle the display and everything else, receiving the info as needed from the cache
[5:43] <blockh34d> i dont know your scenario can you describe the exact functionality a little more?
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[5:44] <blockh34d> yes i think your plan is good
[5:44] <blockh34d> i havent done a lot with threads in python yet
[5:44] <AbbyTheRat> I SO need to put this into a post or something, I said my project like 35 times now
[5:44] <blockh34d> so i can't help a whole lot there
[5:44] <AbbyTheRat> yeah #python was all like if twisted was hard, threads is worse
[5:44] <blockh34d> i do know i like how pexpect handles all that
[5:44] <AbbyTheRat> I .. ugh.. way to be helpful!
[5:44] <blockh34d> pexpect makes it one line
[5:45] <blockh34d> pexpect.run("some terminal command")
[5:45] <blockh34d> then you can monitor that commands stdout
[5:45] <blockh34d> to a string variable
[5:45] <blockh34d> err you want pexpect.spawn() for that but its the same
[5:45] <blockh34d> spawn just does it and continues, non blocking
[5:45] <AbbyTheRat> it be nice if I could just twisted for everything, it would be less intenstive on CPU and ram
[5:45] <blockh34d> so put your update stuff in one .py, call it from the other using pexpect
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[5:46] <blockh34d> yah i havent used any twisted
[5:46] <blockh34d> but
[5:46] <blockh34d> i keep thinking about it
[5:46] <blockh34d> maybe this would motivate me
[5:46] <AbbyTheRat> Anyway my project,
[5:46] <blockh34d> my game needs a multiplayer server, i dont want to reinvent the async wheel, it sucked teh first 3 times
[5:46] <AbbyTheRat> it's a alarm clock that connects to google calendar
[5:47] <blockh34d> thats cool
[5:47] <AbbyTheRat> it'll pick up wake event from google calendar
[5:47] <AbbyTheRat> and since I have other issues in my life, I'm going to get it to pick up reminders as well
[5:47] <AbbyTheRat> and display any events for the day
[5:47] <AbbyTheRat> reminders, say like.. take my pills
[5:47] <blockh34d> one bell for dinner, two bells for work
[5:48] <blockh34d> you're one food bowl away from being whats his faces dogs
[5:48] <blockh34d> kaprovs dogs?
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[5:48] <blockh34d> i dunno you know lol
[5:48] <AbbyTheRat> since I need it to connect to the internet, I went ahead and figure.. why not display the weather as well
[5:48] <blockh34d> thats cool though
[5:48] <blockh34d> sure, makes sense
[5:48] <AbbyTheRat> And even more, using a LCD display to fit into a case to display this info instead of a full mointor
[5:48] <tonsofpcs> hmm, now the LED isn't lighting... .where'd i put that volt meter...
[5:48] <blockh34d> you could even have ambient sound effecst that mimic the outside, for ambience
[5:48] <blockh34d> liek if its raining, it plays the sound of rain
[5:49] <AbbyTheRat> and then I might as well connect speakers so I can have a much louder sounds
[5:49] <AbbyTheRat> which is important cause I'm deaf
[5:49] <blockh34d> its an alarm
[5:49] <blockh34d> seems like its not optional
[5:49] <blockh34d> gotta have some speakers
[5:49] <AbbyTheRat> and here's the REAL trick that I gotta figure out and haven't yet
[5:49] <blockh34d> when did you add the disco ball?
[5:50] <AbbyTheRat> I got some viberating alarm pads with alarm clocks.. be nice if I could connect that up
[5:50] <blockh34d> not so hard
[5:50] <AbbyTheRat> I'm very preific about what I want thou
[5:50] <blockh34d> relays i think
[5:50] <blockh34d> fancy word there i can't afford it
[5:50] <AbbyTheRat> it's everything that be really useful for me when I wake up and stuff
[5:51] <AbbyTheRat> useful cause my wake times aren't the same everyday
[5:51] <blockh34d> preific?
[5:51] <AbbyTheRat> can't spell :D
[5:51] <tonsofpcs> yup, wrong pin
[5:51] <blockh34d> oh i thought that was a real word
[5:51] <AbbyTheRat> doh, tonsofpcs
[5:51] <AbbyTheRat> means .. a selected set
[5:52] <blockh34d> i think you'd want a relay for the vibrating pads
[5:52] <blockh34d> or ... they have another name for that, i forget
[5:52] <AbbyTheRat> most likely, but I want to do it one step at a time
[5:52] <blockh34d> basically small voltage enables larger voltage across other pins
[5:52] <AbbyTheRat> See, one of my other clocks is broken sorta
[5:52] <blockh34d> drive the vibrating pads energy through the larger line naturally
[5:52] <AbbyTheRat> it all works except a few switches are broken (plastic stuff)
[5:53] <AbbyTheRat> so I though.. if I can reverse engineer it and steal the LCD from that as well
[5:53] <blockh34d> i think now you're going too far :P
[5:53] <AbbyTheRat> I have a display for just the clock, to go along side.. 20x4 RGB display
[5:53] <blockh34d> tell me you successfully did that i wil be very impressed
[5:54] <AbbyTheRat> well, I connect it to the right pins on the raspberry pi, and record the outputs when I do different things
[5:54] <blockh34d> i think it sounds like a good plan but he reality of grafting onto existing tech is so cumbersome its hard to get a nice finish that way
[5:54] <AbbyTheRat> butt.. I believe I eneed to step down the voltage
[5:55] <AbbyTheRat> indeed, but damn this LCD is nice!
[5:55] <blockh34d> i wouldnt know but you might need a resistor in there too to reduce current?
[5:55] <blockh34d> i'm kind of an electronics newb
[5:55] <blockh34d> i know electronics but i don't really do it enough so i forget so don't trust me on any of it
[5:55] <AbbyTheRat> that would be what I need
[5:55] <AbbyTheRat> I think you're thinking of a protometor?
[5:55] <AbbyTheRat> failed spelling
[5:56] <AbbyTheRat> it's an adjustable resistor
[5:56] <blockh34d> potentiometer?
[5:56] <blockh34d> i think thats it
[5:56] <blockh34d> POT
[5:56] <blockh34d> lets call it pot
[5:56] <AbbyTheRat> don't do weeds, mkay!
[5:56] <blockh34d> cause then we can talk about pot
[5:56] <blockh34d> and its still family friendly!
[5:56] <AbbyTheRat> Nah, kidding, I don't judge at all.
[5:56] <blockh34d> so yeah about that
[5:57] <blockh34d> oh i think it should be legal, 100%
[5:57] <AbbyTheRat> Rightt.. I keep forget.. shiftplusone, I fear I might be a bad mod here :D
[5:57] <blockh34d> but thats anoither convo
[5:57] <AbbyTheRat> forgetting*
[5:57] <blockh34d> someday we'll regret prohibition
[5:57] <AbbyTheRat> my standard is WAY too low, shiftplusone
[5:58] <AbbyTheRat> anyway.. I can't find the pictures of what I want to use.. sooo TIME TO TAKE MORE PICS
[5:58] <blockh34d> i think i would start with bigish resistors and keey trying smaller ones until you can get a bar to light up
[5:58] <blockh34d> how many total segments? i don't know if you'll have neough pins
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[5:59] <rikkib> Reostatrheostat
[5:59] <rikkib> Opps
[5:59] <rikkib> rheostat
[6:00] <AbbyTheRat> pins? there's ways to expand it :)
[6:00] <blockh34d> yah but i think if you needed more pins theres better wyas to control multi segment displays
[6:00] <rikkib> Think that may be the original name for potentiometer
[6:00] <blockh34d> they take a few input lines and multiplex em or whatever you'd say
[6:00] <AbbyTheRat> there's only going to be two display
[6:01] <blockh34d> right but one is made of many leds ya?
[6:01] <blockh34d> maybe i misundersand
[6:01] <blockh34d> i picture normal alarm clock display with seven segment led digits
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[6:16] <cul> yay
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[6:18] <blockh34d> my game gets 40fps even with omxplayer playing a HD video at the same time, output to top corner... rpi is really impressive i think
[6:19] <blockh34d> i you told me last year i'd be surfing the writing apps on a soupped up arduino, i would not have believed you
[6:19] <blockh34d> -surfing
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[6:20] <AbbyTheRat> http://imgur.com/a/MZbbA blockh34d this is one of the LCD I want to use
[6:20] <AbbyTheRat> not shown in pictures, the other board of the alarm clock
[6:21] <blockh34d> imgur crashes me out here on this pi...
[6:21] <blockh34d> do you mind copy/pasting the jpg link ?
[6:21] <blockh34d> i can wget it much easier
[6:21] <AbbyTheRat> this is the other LCD - http://www.adafruit.com/products/498
[6:21] <AbbyTheRat> cause, pff
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[6:22] <tonsofpcs> ok, this is /really/ interesting now
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[6:22] <tonsofpcs> if I run it from 5v directly from the PSU and 3v3 signaling + ground from the rpi, it has the same symptoms as before - LED lights when high but nothing happens
[6:23] <tonsofpcs> if I provide it 5v and GND from the PSU and 3v3 signaling from the pi, the LED is lit without the relay thrown with the pin low and the LED lights bright with the relay thrown when pulled high...
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[6:23] <blockh34d> ok yah that looks like you can maybe reuse it
[6:24] <blockh34d> i pictured something from the old school clocks
[6:24] <AbbyTheRat> http://pastebin.com/W0mvs0Pm
[6:24] <tonsofpcs> I'm going to swap PSUs to rule that out, but this seems VERY strange, unless the polyfuse is on the ground side maybe?
[6:24] <blockh34d> maybe the freezer was not a good idea?
[6:25] <AbbyTheRat> good idea to try, tonsofpcs
[6:26] <AbbyTheRat> yeah, I would need to polish the plastic, it got a bit scratched but I have a good idea how to do that
[6:26] <blockh34d> maybe toothpaste?
[6:26] <AbbyTheRat> toothpaste
[6:26] <AbbyTheRat> bingo :)
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[6:26] <blockh34d> maybe a fuzzy dremel on low speed?
[6:26] <AbbyTheRat> not got dremel >_>
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[6:27] <AbbyTheRat> toothpaste and eblow grease
[6:27] <blockh34d> i found it a very handy tool over the years, i recommend getting one, or a knock off, whatever works
[6:27] <AbbyTheRat> I bet I will too, but there's a lot of tools I need to finish my project
[6:27] <blockh34d> that would be an excellent thing for people to make with 3d printers
[6:28] <AbbyTheRat> although I may end up taking the pi and sticking it into a different case to what I was thinking of
[6:28] <blockh34d> yah pi is so small, easy to tuck into existing housing somewhere
[6:28] <AbbyTheRat> it going to depend of a few things
[6:28] <blockh34d> you could put a picam in it
[6:28] <AbbyTheRat> but I'll wait and see :)
[6:28] <blockh34d> with survailance
[6:28] <AbbyTheRat> :P
[6:29] <AbbyTheRat> nah, that's going beyond what I need
[6:29] <blockh34d> very discreetly too ibet
[6:29] <blockh34d> remote access
[6:29] <blockh34d> with audio
[6:29] <AbbyTheRat> but could be a second project if I get a second pi
[6:29] <blockh34d> thats now a pretty pimped out alarm clock
[6:29] <AbbyTheRat> not that it matters
[6:29] <AbbyTheRat> I already have one cam
[6:30] <blockh34d> with a motion activated alarm, it could act as a room-size alarm system
[6:30] <AbbyTheRat> again, I already got a secuity cam
[6:30] <AbbyTheRat> they are cheaper then baby mointors
[6:30] <blockh34d> for maybe, a coat room at a party? or a kids no-go zone?
[6:30] <AbbyTheRat> again.. too much :P
[6:30] <blockh34d> yah
[6:31] <blockh34d> i'm interested in picams and real time image processing
[6:31] <AbbyTheRat> the pi is set for bedside
[6:31] <blockh34d> so its the direction my mind goes
[6:31] <blockh34d> i want to make a fully encased bullet proof helmet
[6:31] <AbbyTheRat> with speakers fitted into the case
[6:31] <AbbyTheRat> I already got speakers I can take apart and reuse
[6:31] <blockh34d> with picams to route images to headset display
[6:31] <blockh34d> i have the headset optics built
[6:31] <AbbyTheRat> the cabinet I Was thinking of is huge thou.. hard to move around
[6:32] <blockh34d> stereo displays, a half dozen comeras
[6:32] <AbbyTheRat> but I could easily fit a second pi in there and have it act as the media center
[6:32] <blockh34d> eventually i'd like it to have a ring of cameras it uses, and it creates additional views like google streetview
[6:32] <AbbyTheRat> which is the orignal idea for the cabinet
[6:32] <blockh34d> yah that'd be cool
[6:32] <blockh34d> or...
[6:32] <AbbyTheRat> it's perfect to fit a tv on
[6:33] <blockh34d> its off composite now right?
[6:33] <AbbyTheRat> what is? my secuity camera?
[6:33] <blockh34d> no the alarm clock
[6:33] <blockh34d> two displays, one led based on gpio pins, other off composite barrel plug connector?
[6:33] <AbbyTheRat> *googles composite*
[6:33] <AbbyTheRat> oh.. er
[6:33] <blockh34d> the not-hdmi connector, sometimes called an rca
[6:34] <AbbyTheRat> �\_(?)_/�
[6:34] <blockh34d> the old school a/v hookup
[6:34] <AbbyTheRat> I think they both be off the same gpio
[6:34] <[Saint]> (in this instance, just v :))
[6:34] <AbbyTheRat> I linked the the other LCD I'm using
[6:34] <blockh34d> what does your alarm clock lcd panel plug into on the pi?
[6:35] <AbbyTheRat> I'm planning to use as well
[6:35] <blockh34d> well heres what i was thinking
[6:35] <AbbyTheRat> [01:21:51] <AbbyTheRat> this is the other LCD - http://www.adafruit.com/products/498
[6:35] <blockh34d> you could run the hdmi output to yoru tv, so one pi does it all
[6:35] <blockh34d> and it toggles the composite display off to use the hdmi output, but always keeps the gpio based clock running
[6:36] <AbbyTheRat> I think it's going to be doing enough.. and it's for a future project
[6:36] <AbbyTheRat> right now, the alarm clock is just the alarm clock
[6:36] <blockh34d> yah they're so cheap, why bother right
[6:36] <AbbyTheRat> it need to fill a important need I have right now
[6:36] <blockh34d> i am always amazed how much my rpi handles easily
[6:36] <blockh34d> right up until it runs out of memory, runs like a ch amp
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[6:37] <AbbyTheRat> the space/case I'm thinking of fitting has so much space that I'm pretty sure I can fit, maybe 4 pi plus parts
[6:37] <[Saint]> Most people carry around a avstly more powerful machine every day.
[6:37] <[Saint]> *vastly
[6:37] <blockh34d> yah
[6:37] <blockh34d> microcontrollers are getting crazy powerful
[6:37] <AbbyTheRat> so I'm not worried about fitting it all onto on pi anyway
[6:37] <blockh34d> desktops are doomed
[6:37] <AbbyTheRat> secondly..
[6:37] <[Saint]> My phone is approximately 8 pis stuck together.
[6:37] <AbbyTheRat> meh, desktop still has a place :)
[6:37] <blockh34d> i laugh at my desktops incredibly oversized formfactor next to a pi
[6:38] <[Saint]> desktops are very, very, very far from "doomed".
[6:38] <[Saint]> I laugh at that about as much as I laugh every time I hear "<year> is the year of the Linux desktop!"
[6:38] <Scar3cr0w> lol @ [Saint] my phone's only 6 :/
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[6:38] <AbbyTheRat> *pats her desktop computer* there there, don't listen to blockh34d
[6:38] <blockh34d> haha
[6:38] <AbbyTheRat> he/she is a meanie
[6:38] <blockh34d> lol it's inevitable
[6:39] <AbbyTheRat> Anyway
[6:39] <[Saint]> So far I think every year since 1994 has been "the year of the linux desktop"
[6:39] <AbbyTheRat> So, I was thinking with my project is reusing the LCD to display the time, leaving more space on the 20x4 to display infomation from google calendar, and the weather plus anything else that seem useful to know at a glance
[6:39] <blockh34d> yah
[6:39] <blockh34d> i loved ubuntu for a while
[6:40] <blockh34d> its still pretty cool but i think it got a little bloaty
[6:40] <blockh34d> whats a good choice now for linux desktop? mint?
[6:40] <blockh34d> minimal
[6:40] <AbbyTheRat> Linux is best at fitting a need
[6:40] <blockh34d> light weight and minimal
[6:40] <[Saint]> Even with the ridiculous amount of people jumping ship from XP's end-of-life, its still got a long way to go before I would start making claims about it being the year of linux desktops.
[6:40] <AbbyTheRat> Windows is a good at being everything
[6:40] <blockh34d> yah but look how microsoft struggles so hard to shoot itself in the foot?
[6:40] <AbbyTheRat> good, not best
[6:40] <blockh34d> i don't know how linux isn't totally dominating already
[6:40] <[Saint]> No.
[6:41] <AbbyTheRat> it is.. it depends on where you look
[6:41] <[Saint]> Windows isn;t even any good at it.
[6:41] <[Saint]> People just don't think they have other options.
[6:41] <blockh34d> yah linux seesm as good or better in almost every way any more
[6:41] <AbbyTheRat> Ok, give me a machine that can run.. Guns of Icarus Online
[6:41] <AbbyTheRat> out of the box
[6:41] <[Saint]> MS gained its market dominance by molding peoples perception of what a desktop is.
[6:42] <blockh34d> rpi with game streaming
[6:42] <[Saint]> "desktops run Windows" <-- Every Joe Average ever.
[6:42] <AbbyTheRat> I don't agree with that
[6:42] <blockh34d> cloud gaming
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[6:42] <AbbyTheRat> but meh
[6:42] <AbbyTheRat> If I wasn't so lazy, I'd dual boot
[6:42] <AbbyTheRat> and do my python coding in linux
[6:42] <blockh34d> i code on my rpi
[6:42] <AbbyTheRat> I would
[6:42] <blockh34d> i love it! its a great coding machine
[6:43] <AbbyTheRat> if I had it i my hand
[6:43] <AbbyTheRat> I'm still waiting for it to be delivered
[6:43] <[Saint]> blockh34d: until compile time...
[6:43] <blockh34d> on a hd display, its the biggest desktop i have.
[6:43] <blockh34d> ah for little python coding its ok
[6:43] <blockh34d> AbbyTheRat: do you know about Geany?
[6:43] <AbbyTheRat> nope
[6:43] <blockh34d> it's my fav python coding ide
[6:44] <AbbyTheRat> ah :)
[6:44] <AbbyTheRat> I've seen a few options
[6:44] <blockh34d> well apt-get yourself a copy i'm s ure youll like it better than leafpad
[6:44] <AbbyTheRat> not even used leafpad <_<
[6:44] <blockh34d> its very minimal, loads quick, runs well
[6:44] <AbbyTheRat> currently pycharm
[6:44] <blockh34d> oh cool i dont know that one
[6:44] <blockh34d> its nice?
[6:44] <AbbyTheRat> it's linux and windows
[6:44] <AbbyTheRat> it's ok
[6:45] <blockh34d> you have pycharm on rpi or windows?
[6:45] <[Saint]> vi for me.
[6:45] <blockh34d> someday
[6:45] <[Saint]> nano if I really /have/ to.
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[6:45] <Scar3cr0w> nano ftw!
[6:46] <AbbyTheRat> I'm lazy
[6:46] <blockh34d> every time i try vi i can barely figure out how to exit, tail between my legs
[6:46] <blockh34d> lol <3 nano
[6:46] <[Saint]> and sublime if I have a GUI available.
[6:46] <AbbyTheRat> ctrl + c.. wasn't it?
[6:46] <[Saint]> Can't really beat sublime.
[6:46] <blockh34d> why do people hate at nano? its awesome
[6:46] <Scar3cr0w> sublime is pretty
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[6:46] <[Saint]> pretty, and bloody useful.
[6:46] <blockh34d> i should get sublime, i love the band sublime, its a natural progression
[6:46] <AbbyTheRat> this is my horrible code currently for the googleside of things
[6:46] <AbbyTheRat> https://github.com/AbbyTheRat/RaspberryPiAlarm
[6:47] <AbbyTheRat> https://github.com/AbbyTheRat/twistedweather the weather side of things
[6:47] * mpmc is now known as mpmc[BNC4FREE]
[6:47] <AbbyTheRat> and yes, I'm aware my code sucks big time
[6:47] * [Saint] dons his pitchfork proof suit of armor
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[6:47] <[Saint]> "EMACS is the best editor ever"
[6:47] <AbbyTheRat> Yeah, it's bad.. very little comments <_<
[6:47] <blockh34d> haha
[6:47] <AbbyTheRat> [Saint]: why a quote?
[6:47] <AbbyTheRat> are you trying to troll us?
[6:48] <Scar3cr0w> the only thing I like emac's for is having my irc and text editing too
[6:48] <blockh34d> i'm watching rambo right now
[6:48] <AbbyTheRat> do we need to kick you for trying to cause drama
[6:48] <blockh34d> when he's putting the arrow heads on the arrows
[6:48] <blockh34d> i pictured an angry villager screwing explosive barbs onto a pitchfork
[6:48] <blockh34d> watch out!
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[6:48] <blockh34d> if rambo was amish
[6:49] <[Saint]> The thing I don't like about emacs is that at the end of the day it almost seems as though the host OS is simply another emacs plugin. :)
[6:49] <blockh34d> i was thinking about making a text editor
[6:49] <Scar3cr0w> lol
[6:49] <blockh34d> kinda like nano but with a little bit more of a UI
[6:49] <[Saint]> Its too damn feature complete. It does *everything*.
[6:49] * Scar3cr0w nod's
[6:50] <Scar3cr0w> and if it doesn't someone has an extension built that will
[6:50] <[Saint]> Hahahahaha, yep.
[6:50] <blockh34d> thats what i'd like to setup with my video player
[6:50] <blockh34d> so it could have tabs that go from basic media playback to a broader spectrum of time wasting activities
[6:50] <blockh34d> like games, torrents, webbrowsing, etc
[6:50] <[Saint]> I am a fan of some of the sillier emacs plugins, though.
[6:50] <[Saint]> like vi, vim and nano...for emacs.
[6:51] <blockh34d> i have never used emacs at all so its greek to me
[6:51] <Scar3cr0w> hahaha totally useful!
[6:51] <blockh34d> what does emacs do that is so awesome, as an example?
[6:51] <[Saint]> It would probably be easier to list the things it doesn't do.
[6:51] <[Saint]> Which is why its the butt of many jokes.
[6:52] <AbbyTheRat> I know how to starts a debate
[6:52] <blockh34d> well between emacs and netcat i guess that about covers it all then eh
[6:52] <blockh34d> cause netcat can do half of anything
[6:52] <AbbyTheRat> any of you ever written anything in lol code?
[6:52] <blockh34d> no whats that? sounds like whitespace
[6:53] <AbbyTheRat> http://lolcode.org/
[6:54] <blockh34d> your code looks nice to me
[6:54] <blockh34d> got your decorators and everything!
[6:54] <blockh34d> my code is like, bare wires
[6:55] <blockh34d> no comments, lucky if theres any extra carraige returns lol
[6:55] <AbbyTheRat> yeah but it's not pep8 at all
[6:55] <tonsofpcs> hrm, switching PSUs worked... for now... back to +5v direct, 3v3 switched by pi, gnd from pi.
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[6:56] <blockh34d> so AbbyTheRat what is currently blocking with the code
[6:56] <blockh34d> what funciton
[6:56] <AbbyTheRat> I don't know directly, but it's in the google codes
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[6:57] <blockh34d> my guess would be get_events(..
[6:58] <AbbyTheRat> I bet before that too
[6:58] <AbbyTheRat> with the OAuth stuff
[6:59] <blockh34d> so i think i'd have one script do the auth and event transaction, then serialize the output and write it to a flatfile
[6:59] <blockh34d> then half the first constantly watch that flatfile
[6:59] <blockh34d> err the first / the main
[6:59] <AbbyTheRat> that's what I was thinking about doing with child thread
[6:59] <[Saint]> wotcha' doin'?
[7:00] <blockh34d> yah you're a brave one... threads ugh
[7:00] <Scar3cr0w> add some useful settings and enhanced syntax highlighting to nano: https://badsectorsecurity.com/blog/power-up-nano-for-long-term-use/
[7:00] <AbbyTheRat> having it run too all the data I want to fetch in one thread and store in caching
[7:00] <blockh34d> if you use pexpect it will be easy
[7:00] <blockh34d> pip install pexpect
[7:00] <blockh34d> pexpect.spawn("python myotherscript.py")
[7:00] <blockh34d> done
[7:02] <AbbyTheRat> interesting, the command line could work
[7:02] <AbbyTheRat> I'll give it a go when I get the pi here and start coding again
[7:02] <AbbyTheRat> although I think I want to try and get the LCD clock working for fun
[7:02] <blockh34d> its a quick hack, but i think it works prety well for a lotta stuff
[7:03] <blockh34d> yah i think that would be cool, i was down on the idea earlier cause i was thinking of a different display
[7:03] <blockh34d> if its backlit you can maybe modulate the backlight in fancier ways
[7:03] <AbbyTheRat> yeah well, while I would LOVE to do things properly this is a person project that has to fill a need. It's not getting released, nor is anyone going to see the codes
[7:03] <blockh34d> pulsing/etc
[7:04] <AbbyTheRat> blockh34d: dunno for the clock
[7:04] <AbbyTheRat> but the LCD I do want to get is
[7:04] <AbbyTheRat> different clocks
[7:04] <AbbyTheRat> I'm curious to how I'll control the colour on the 20x4 :).. I see examples for the single one
[7:04] <blockh34d> several at once? or one of a few types?
[7:05] <AbbyTheRat> uh? what do you mean?
[7:05] <blockh34d> can you run a command prompt from one of those 4x20's
[7:05] <AbbyTheRat> did you ever look at the link I posted? XD
[7:05] <blockh34d> oh how airports have multiple clocks to different timezones
[7:05] <AbbyTheRat> [01:35:26] <AbbyTheRat> [01:21:51] <AbbyTheRat> this is the other LCD - http://www.adafruit.com/products/498
[7:05] <blockh34d> well i looked at the imgur one
[7:06] <blockh34d> but then it killed my browser
[7:06] <AbbyTheRat> I pasted the single lines, blockh34d
[7:06] <blockh34d> oh i missed that sorry
[7:06] <blockh34d> thanks
[7:06] <AbbyTheRat> [01:24:15] <AbbyTheRat> http://pastebin.com/W0mvs0Pm <- has links to each image
[7:06] <blockh34d> oh nice, yah missed that entirely. Rambo.
[7:07] <AbbyTheRat> bare in mind! I have the clock but I've yet to buy the LCD
[7:07] <blockh34d> i got little 2.4" lcd's for my headset
[7:07] <blockh34d> they have an awesome display, work great with the pi
[7:07] <AbbyTheRat> trying to slow myself down to a crawl, plus I only just got out of a bad fincinal sitation and still got a way to go yet
[7:08] <AbbyTheRat> so buying slowly to spread the cost out a bit
[7:08] <blockh34d> ok so i'm looking at lolcode
[7:08] <blockh34d> just yesterday i was joking about exactly that
[7:08] <[Saint]> If you really want to bend your mind, try BF>
[7:09] <AbbyTheRat> (other half had a job but it wasn't enough hours.. then she finally got a new job that's full time and now we can start to pay down our credit debt... should take a couple of pay check then we be saving again. Then I'm going to so happy again
[7:09] <[Saint]> s/>/./
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[7:09] <AbbyTheRat> BF> ?
[7:09] <AbbyTheRat> linkie?
[7:10] <blockh34d> had never heard of it but my ironic suggestion was basically exactly what they did
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[7:10] <blockh34d> props to them for taking a joke to a way out extreme. does it compile?
[7:10] <AbbyTheRat> [Saint]: oh I guess that > wasn't intional and you replaced it with regexp to . ?
[7:10] <AbbyTheRat> not that I can understand regexp very well
[7:11] <blockh34d> no one understands regexp well
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[7:11] <[Saint]> AbbyTheRat: correct.
[7:11] <[Saint]> I can't really state the actualy name of the language in here due to the channel policy
[7:11] <[Saint]> So "BF" will have to do.
[7:11] <AbbyTheRat> Ah, took me a while to figure it out
[7:11] <blockh34d> haha
[7:11] <AbbyTheRat> but I get it now, yeah.. I saw it.. quite a brain scratcher
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[7:12] <blockh34d> oh they got me
[7:12] <blockh34d> i'm sold on BF
[7:12] <[Saint]> Its a langauge that lives up to its name, that's certain.
[7:12] <[Saint]> Sadly, I'm fluent in it.
[7:12] <blockh34d> i love all things flagrantly vulgar
[7:12] <blockh34d> needless vulgarity? yes please
[7:13] <blockh34d> freedom of speech, its important
[7:13] <blockh34d> gotta troll the norms, let em know we're still kicking!
[7:13] <[Saint]> So convoluted:
[7:13] <[Saint]> http://pastebin.com/1sBAd69H
[7:13] <[Saint]> BF "holloworld.txt"
[7:13] <[Saint]> *hello, even.
[7:13] <AbbyTheRat> yeah, copy/paste from wiki
[7:14] <AbbyTheRat> so here's a question for the mod, if someone is sharing a link that happens to have cussing in but it's educational..
[7:14] <[Saint]> Well, I sure as heck wasn't going to type it out by hand. :)
[7:14] <AbbyTheRat> how the hell do you handle that?
[7:14] <AbbyTheRat> no, I agree with you there
[7:14] <blockh34d> is it liek, verbose assembler or something?
[7:15] <AbbyTheRat> it's like lolcode, whitespace
[7:15] <AbbyTheRat> it's just very very very mininalist
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[7:15] <AbbyTheRat> however you spell it all.
[7:15] <blockh34d> whitespace is my fav weird language
[7:15] <blockh34d> oh i was reading the comments like they were code i see now
[7:16] <AbbyTheRat> it's a copy/paste from wiki, so google brainf (I hope you can figure the rest out)
[7:16] <AbbyTheRat> it mess with your mind, thus a bf
[7:16] <blockh34d> i gotta figure out a better web browsing experience
[7:16] <blockh34d> thinking about lynx
[7:16] <AbbyTheRat> use..
[7:16] <AbbyTheRat> a desktop.. computer..
[7:17] <blockh34d> haha yah maybe i should
[7:17] <blockh34d> i have a netbook sittin next to me
[7:17] <blockh34d> and i dunno, 3 to 6 desktops sitting in a pile next to that
[7:17] <blockh34d> they sound like a small hurricaine when you turn them on
[7:17] <AbbyTheRat> honestly, if I'm going to use my raspberry pi to sit on IRC and browsers and stuff
[7:17] <swiss> anyone here bought a cubox-i yet?
[7:17] <AbbyTheRat> I'd turn it into a small router and host ZNC on it
[7:17] <AbbyTheRat> (an IRC bouncer, basically)
[7:17] <blockh34d> irc it handles great
[7:17] <swiss> blockh34d: luakit?
[7:17] <Scar3cr0w> znc rocks
[7:17] <blockh34d> browsers... not so much
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[7:18] * Scar3cr0w is using it now in fact :)
[7:18] <blockh34d> luakit is? browser?
[7:18] <swiss> blockh34d: i used luakit on my inspiron 300m
[7:18] <swiss> it's a browser, yes
[7:18] <blockh34d> oh cool
[7:18] <AbbyTheRat> Scar3cr0w: indeed, I should set one up..
[7:18] <swiss> built on webkit, extremely minimal
[7:18] <blockh34d> i used lua a bit for some old game engine stuff
[7:18] <blockh34d> its that lua?
[7:18] <swiss> you have to be comfortable with vim keybinds
[7:18] <Scar3cr0w> it's almost too easy really, compared to eggdrop or the likes
[7:18] <blockh34d> which i'm not
[7:18] <swiss> yes, it's just the config and stuff format that made it "luakit"
[7:18] <blockh34d> but i can pretend
[7:18] <swiss> lol, as long as you can pretend :P
[7:18] <Scar3cr0w> and I love the "partyline" feature
[7:19] <swiss> but it worked on my 300m until i got a new laptop
[7:19] <blockh34d> see i think i'm hosing up my browser with stuff
[7:19] <blockh34d> like gnash
[7:19] <blockh34d> i need to uninstall that
[7:19] <[Saint]> Scar3cr0w: I recommend dropping ZNC and going for quassel-core/quassel-client setup
[7:19] <[Saint]> I haven't looked back
[7:19] <Scar3cr0w> but to keep my ip's safe I just host mine on aws
[7:19] <blockh34d> its a noble idle but it's killing me here
[7:19] <Scar3cr0w> I have tried quassel
[7:19] * AbbyTheRat checks out cubox-i
[7:20] <blockh34d> noble idea even
[7:20] <blockh34d> so far iceweasel and chromium do ok until they run out of memory and die a hideous death
[7:20] <blockh34d> i'll try luakit
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[7:20] <blockh34d> but if all else fails... lynx
[7:20] <blockh34d> i'm not scared
[7:20] <Scar3cr0w> and it's sweet
[7:20] <[Saint]> I just run my quassel-core from home (my server has ~98.2% uptime) and then jump into the core from any number of clients I have dotted around.
[7:21] <blockh34d> thats cool so a thin client sort of approach?
[7:21] <Scar3cr0w> I ended up using znc as I can just connect to it using any irc client I want, mobile etc
[7:21] <Scar3cr0w> bittlebee works with quassel too right?
[7:22] <[Saint]> I don't think so.
[7:22] <Scar3cr0w> bummer
[7:22] <blockh34d> how fast are screen updates etc?
[7:22] <blockh34d> bnc speed?
[7:22] <AbbyTheRat> yeah, I like KIRC
[7:22] <blockh34d> bnc? vnc?
[7:22] <AbbyTheRat> I've tried Qussal before
[7:22] <blockh34d> i can never remember
[7:22] <AbbyTheRat> I've tried a lot of IRC, but for me personally, I keep going back to KVIRC
[7:22] <Scar3cr0w> vnc is like remote desktop, bnc is an irc bouncer
[7:23] <blockh34d> hey is qussal irc or web browsing?
[7:23] <Scar3cr0w> irc
[7:23] <blockh34d> oh ok
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[7:23] <blockh34d> dang
[7:23] <[Saint]> Well, for me, its pretty much impossible for me to tell that I'm not using a monolithic client.
[7:23] <blockh34d> i thought you were saying it was like a web broweser you use through the network
[7:23] <AbbyTheRat> irc, that you can use as just a client or as a bouncer + client
[7:23] <Scar3cr0w> *bitlbee
[7:23] <blockh34d> which actulaly sounds kinda nice
[7:23] <blockh34d> so i could have a beastmode machine run somewhere far away from me and remote to it for snazzy browsing on a rpi
[7:24] <Scar3cr0w> there are web clients too blockh34d, like kiwiirc mibbit etc
[7:24] <AbbyTheRat> we're talking about browering
[7:24] <[Saint]> Uuuuughhhh...mibbit.
[7:24] <blockh34d> i'm using irssi now
[7:24] <Scar3cr0w> weechat > znc for me
[7:24] <AbbyTheRat> cause he's having problems browsering on the pi
[7:24] <[Saint]> I only use irssi on the days where I truly hate myself.
[7:24] <[Saint]> ;)
[7:24] <Scar3cr0w> and sadly, weechat on cygwin > znc
[7:25] <[Saint]> CygWin?
[7:25] <[Saint]> Oh, you poor thing.
[7:25] <Scar3cr0w> yea
[7:25] <AbbyTheRat> irssi, I love it and hate it XD
[7:25] <[Saint]> Why on Earth?
[7:25] <blockh34d> yah browsing is a underwhelming experience on a pi i gotta admit
[7:25] <Scar3cr0w> lol
[7:25] <blockh34d> feels like maybe some better software could sort that out but i don't know how
[7:25] <blockh34d> web pages are hideous anymore
[7:25] <Scar3cr0w> I just can't not have my nano! ;)
[7:25] <[Saint]> An Arch VM is pretty much guaranteed to be faster than a native CygWin install.
[7:26] <Scar3cr0w> you know, that's not a bad point...
[7:26] <Scar3cr0w> and it has been a while since playing with arch
[7:26] <blockh34d> well i gottta go
[7:26] <Scar3cr0w> (other then minepeon)
[7:26] <blockh34d> work in the am, gnite all
[7:26] <Scar3cr0w> which is pretty much already good to go out of the box
[7:26] <Scar3cr0w> night blockh34d
[7:27] <[Saint]> Most linix distros will be faster than CygWin to be honest, but Arch or a debian netinst give you the opportunity to make a truly minimal install with ease.
[7:27] <[Saint]> CygWin is horrendously slow.
[7:27] <AbbyTheRat> WeeChat seems very much like Qussal only more like issir
[7:27] <Scar3cr0w> works good in a pinch as I can keep it on my thumbdrive
[7:28] <[Saint]> you can keep a bootable linux distro on a thumb drive too :)
[7:28] <Scar3cr0w> yea but that's larger, and I have to boot from it
[7:28] <AbbyTheRat> with a big enough thumbdrive you could do anything <_<
[7:29] <[Saint]> You could also take the WUBI route with Ubuntu.
[7:29] <Scar3cr0w> I can't just throw it on a running client's machine and have my tools ready to go
[7:29] <Scar3cr0w> yea I suppose I could
[7:29] <[Saint]> (its like Ubuntu installed as an application)
[7:29] <Scar3cr0w> but cygwin makes it too easy
[7:29] <AbbyTheRat> although.. can I connect to Weechat with another IRC client?
[7:29] <Scar3cr0w> and doesn't leave anything behind
[7:29] <[Saint]> Nor does Wubi
[7:30] <Scar3cr0w> how long does wubi take to start?
[7:30] <Scar3cr0w> does it run from a precompiled image?
[7:30] <Scar3cr0w> or does it need to set itself up
[7:30] * Scar3cr0w is open to new/better ways
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[7:30] <AbbyTheRat> I keep getting confused how is Weechat anything like ZNC?
[7:31] <Scar3cr0w> it's not
[7:31] <[Saint]> Once installed its pretty much exactly the same as a standard Ubuntu install.
[7:31] <Scar3cr0w> persistant storage?
[7:31] <AbbyTheRat> so.. why did you say weechat > ZNC when..
[7:31] <[Saint]> Scar3cr0w: yes.
[7:31] <AbbyTheRat> they are different things? I'm horrible confused by your statement :P
[7:31] <Scar3cr0w> I'm using weechat to connect to my znc server
[7:31] <AbbyTheRat> oh connected to, not greater than
[7:31] <Scar3cr0w> correct, sorry for the confusion
[7:32] * AbbyTheRat took a few extra seconds to make sure she used the correct then/than
[7:32] <Scar3cr0w> god I hate having to do that
[7:32] * Scar3cr0w is horrible at defaulting to then instead of than which is used so much more often
[7:32] <AbbyTheRat> been doing that with there/their/they're for a while
[7:33] <AbbyTheRat> and you're/your
[7:33] <Scar3cr0w> Oh god, I just pick one and run with it and wait for someone else to tell me which one I should have used lol
[7:33] <AbbyTheRat> so much so that I correct everyone else which all better pratices for me to get better at my english :D
[7:34] <AbbyTheRat> another one I'm now fixing is should of, should have
[7:37] * AbbyTheRat is currently looking up the different bnc that's avaiable now
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[7:40] <rahul__> What is the cost of Touch screen with Rpi ?
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[7:41] <AbbyTheRat> http://www.adafruit.com/products/1601
[7:42] <Scar3cr0w> kinda just come's down to how you want to work, quassel and znc would be my 2 recommendations to really look into, psybnc is imo old and not as feature packed but still viable
[7:42] <AbbyTheRat> yeah, looks like I be with znc still ^_^
[7:42] <AbbyTheRat> I just thought I switch to something else but.. meh..
[7:43] <Scar3cr0w> always fun to try something new :)
[7:43] <AbbyTheRat> Okie, I think we should talk about raspberry pi, we've been off topic for a while
[7:43] <AbbyTheRat> although it be an interesting idea to host a bouncer on the raspberry pi
[7:43] <quench> AbbyTheRat: that's cute
[7:43] <Scar3cr0w> it'll do that just fine
[7:43] <quench> the Pi would certainly be able to handle a bouncer
[7:44] <quench> IRC has got to be one of the might lightweight protocols ever
[7:44] <Scar3cr0w> and run the idlebot alongside too
[7:44] <AbbyTheRat> mhm
[7:44] <quench> there's probably cheaper little LCD available if you don't want the nice Adafruit feel
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[7:45] <AbbyTheRat> Okie, I am sick.. I Should actually lay down and sleep
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[7:45] <AbbyTheRat> instead of punishing my body with staying up to 3am
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[7:46] <AbbyTheRat> quench: and I love cute ;)
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[7:46] <quench> fair enough.
[7:47] <quench> could go smaller, you can get absolutely minuscule LCD from old camcorders.
[7:47] <AbbyTheRat> I have a strange taste for what is cute
[7:47] <AbbyTheRat> for example lolcode is cute to me
[7:47] <quench> or even more awesome would be a CRT camcorder screen, they're less than an inch wide but still high resolution
[7:48] <AbbyTheRat> sounds interesting :) but YES BED FOR THIS GIRL!
[7:48] <AbbyTheRat> goodnight
[7:48] <quench> 'night.
[7:48] <Scar3cr0w> night
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[12:45] <N3sh108> hello, I am having issues on my raspberry pi. For some reason, now the keyboard and mouse don't work anymore when the X is running
[12:45] <N3sh108> while the rasp is booting, I can type, but not when it has fully booted...
[12:46] <N3sh108> I had just installed a driver for my WiFi adapter, that might be the issue (I don't think so, but that's the only reasonable explanation)
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[12:50] <N3sh108_> back :D
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[14:38] <SrRaven-work> Hey there, if I use a chromebook and use the raspberry pi as an Online IDE, will the performance be any good ?
[14:39] <Encrypt> I don't think it will be good at all... :/
[14:40] <SrRaven-work> :(
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[14:40] <MrVector> Out of curiosity, what do you mean by using the pi as an online IDE?
[14:41] <Encrypt> SrRaven-work, BTW, nothing's better than an "hand-written" code
[14:41] <Encrypt> I don't like IDEs
[14:41] <MrVector> IMO there doesn't have to be a difference
[14:41] <blockh34d> i like Geany on PI
[14:41] <SrRaven-work> because Encrypt a chromebook doesnt have much coding possibilities
[14:41] <blockh34d> it runs really well, basically a soupped up notepad
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[14:43] <gordonDrogon> you can code directly on a Pi - but it all depends on the environment you like.
[14:43] <gordonDrogon> I use vim and Makefiles - rather than some GUI type IDE.
[14:43] <SrRaven-work> well for starters in semester 1 of my Coding class, I will need to racket for 3 months and java the next 3
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[14:44] <gordonDrogon> that lends itself to working well via a simple ssh login if I'm not in-front of it with screen/keyboard.
[14:44] <gordonDrogon> racket?
[14:44] <SrRaven-work> yes
[14:44] <blockh34d> well i'm coding in python so it's pretty easy on the 'compiler'
[14:44] <gordonDrogon> never heard of it... will google..
[14:44] <SrRaven-work> scheme bullshit
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[14:45] <gordonDrogon> http://racket-lang.org/
[14:45] <gordonDrogon> SrRaven-work, family friendly channel, please.
[14:45] <blockh34d> i was thinking about making something like geany that works in console mode
[14:45] <gordonDrogon> SrRaven-work, http://tiny.cc/h7za1w please read the rules.
[14:46] <SrRaven-work> sorry sorry, its just raining outside and I got to ride my bycicle home :s
[14:46] <gordonDrogon> You can do python with a simple editor - nano/vim/emacs.
[14:46] <gordonDrogon> wonder why racket when you'll never ever get a job programming in it ...
[14:47] <blockh34d> yah but my code gets really long
[14:47] <blockh34d> i like that python object browser geany provides, much easier to move around in the code
[14:48] <blockh34d> after 1000+ lines a normal scrollbar just isn't cutting it anymore
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[14:49] <gordonDrogon> you really need to be in-front of the Pi to run it though - although a VNC connection shouldn't be too bad.
[14:50] <SrRaven-work> because my university wants us to learn racket, and thats sadly the end of the discussion on that matter.
[14:50] <gordonDrogon> SrRaven-work, that sort of sucks - however it's probably a good learning experience. I coudl say the same about java, but at least you can get jobs in it.
[14:50] <MrVector> gordonDrogon, hah, had not read that before, I like the bit about the filesystem check :-)
[14:50] <gordonDrogon> also read this - http://teachcomputing.wordpress.com/2014/02/21/how-do-we-teach-programming-in-schools/
[14:50] <SrRaven-work> the thing is that java and racket/scheme are so different,that getting your head aroung both can be a pain
[14:50] <MrVector> I might just start telling people to check their filesystems
[14:51] <gordonDrogon> Hrmmm..
[14:52] <SrRaven-work> and sadly im a poor CS student, but I do have a Pi as a server hooked up. So I thought that may be a solution :(
[14:52] <gordonDrogon> sure.
[14:52] <SrRaven-work> I dont own any kind of laptop, so a chromebook would be a cheap solution to have some kind of mobility
[14:52] <gordonDrogon> although I'm not sure the Pi will run racket...
[14:52] <blockh34d> i still love my netbook
[14:53] <blockh34d> seems like everyone hates at em but whatever ,great for coding
[14:53] <SrRaven-work> I had a netbook a long long time ago
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[14:53] <blockh34d> cheap too, 200 bucks? probably less now, if you can find one at all
[14:53] <gordonDrogon> well look into using ssh to connect to the Pi via LAN/Wi-Fi or use VNC for a remote desktop on the laptop/chromebook (if it supports VNC)
[14:53] <blockh34d> yah for sure
[14:53] <gordonDrogon> I still use my little Acer Aspire one netbook - it's a bit small, but handy for something lightweight with a usable keyboard.
[14:54] <blockh34d> i think i use tinyvnc on the remote machine and ssvnc as a client on the rpi
[14:54] <blockh34d> works great
[14:54] <gordonDrogon> tightvnc works on the Pi.
[14:54] <blockh34d> i should try that out
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[14:54] <blockh34d> ssvnc works ok though, so far. is tightvnc better?
[14:54] <gordonDrogon> it's fastr than using ssh and X forwarding as there's no encryption.
[14:54] <blockh34d> i havent used the x forwarding yet
[14:55] <SrRaven-work> I could just use my work server for it...but I think that might get me fired :P
[14:55] <gordonDrogon> anything involving encryption on the Pi is going to be a bit slower.
[14:55] <blockh34d> sounds cool but i don't really do a lot of GUI remoting
[14:55] <gordonDrogon> I wish I could turn encryption off on ssh...
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[14:55] <blockh34d> yah i don't know if i would
[14:55] <blockh34d> ssh without encryption is basically telnet ya?
[14:56] <blockh34d> telnet is horrible security risk iirc
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[14:56] <blockh34d> i dunno i'm probably off on the details there
[14:56] <webdev007> that's the whole point of ssh. secure shell
[14:57] <webdev007> with that said, your encryption layer could be elsewhere
[14:57] <webdev007> and you could go straight to it like gordon said
[14:57] <SrRaven-work> or i'll just resort to always lending the work macbook
[14:59] <gordonDrogon> ssh without encryption is more like rsh than telnet - what ssh does have is a good authentiction mechanism, but sometimes the encryption part isn't needed - especially when using it for e.g. rsync to/from slow processors with no hardware encryption support. e.g. the Pi.
[14:59] <gordonDrogon> and sometimes, on a private LAN, encryption (or lack of it) isn't an issue.
[14:59] <blockh34d> oic, thanks for the explanation
[15:00] <gordonDrogon> WAN or insecure links, sure - use encryption.
[15:00] <blockh34d> yah thats how i got into it
[15:00] <blockh34d> doing remote server admin for webserver
[15:00] <blockh34d> would be suicidal not to use ssh there
[15:00] <gordonDrogon> well.. would it?
[15:00] <blockh34d> yes, yes i think so
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[15:00] <gordonDrogon> for the past 20 years I've been using a telnet link to connect to a system - plaintext username and password.
[15:00] <blockh34d> but maybe you have some secret mojo that makes it safe
[15:01] <blockh34d> better not let southeast asia find out
[15:01] <blockh34d> or the nsa
[15:01] <blockh34d> both will hack you just to do it
[15:01] <gordonDrogon> I'm sure GCHQ already know.
[15:01] <blockh34d> is gchq like uk nsa?
[15:01] <gordonDrogon> however I only ever use that username/password on that one system - and it's never been compromised, nor have I seen evidence of them being used to try to access other systems.
[15:01] <gordonDrogon> blockh34d, yes.
[15:01] <gordonDrogon> sort of.
[15:01] <blockh34d> gotta be better than NSA
[15:02] <blockh34d> NSA is a bunch of traitors, they should all be fired and/or incarcerated.
[15:02] <gordonDrogon> they work together - if you believe all the recent press...
[15:02] <blockh34d> yes i do
[15:02] <blockh34d> i think its worse than they let on too
[15:02] <blockh34d> CIA and mi6 big time blackmailers
[15:02] <blockh34d> to get that blackmail... they do dirty stuff
[15:02] <blockh34d> but that doesnt have much to do with rpi's
[15:03] <gordonDrogon> I'm more concerend about commercial hacking than the government.
[15:03] <blockh34d> well southeast asia attacks all server ips all the time
[15:03] <gordonDrogon> but yes - little to do with Pi's :)
[15:03] <blockh34d> 24/7 brute force
[15:03] <blockh34d> take care
[15:03] <gordonDrogon> I run some VoIP systems - they get targetted from all over the world.
[15:03] <gordonDrogon> all the time )-:
[15:04] <blockh34d> yah the internet is brutal. most people don't know what a warzone it is
[15:04] <blockh34d> even irc, take no prisoners sometimes
[15:04] <blockh34d> rpi sure is a hackers dream though
[15:05] <blockh34d> what a great man-in-the-middle
[15:06] <gordonDrogon> what a slow man in the middle...
[15:06] <gordonDrogon> I'll have 300Mb Internet by the end of next year..
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[15:06] <blockh34d> ah yeah it wouldnt be ablet o hanndle that very well
[15:07] <blockh34d> i guess
[15:07] <blockh34d> i dunno i'm always amazed out how capable this little micro is
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[15:07] <blockh34d> still feels like a soupped up arduino to me, blows my mind i'm on a 1920x1080 desktop controlled by a MC
[15:08] <gordonDrogon> except that it's designed to do full HD - that was the original purpose of the SoC.
[15:08] <gordonDrogon> it's still pretty good though.
[15:08] <blockh34d> better than the 4.77mhz 8086 XT i learned on
[15:08] <blockh34d> by a lot
[15:08] <gordonDrogon> and remember the ARM code is something like < 10% of the total die size - the rest of GPU goodness.
[15:09] <gordonDrogon> 4.77MHz? Luxury! :)
[15:09] <gordonDrogon> http://unicorn.drogon.net/lode.jpg
[15:09] <blockh34d> haha back in the day it sure was
[15:09] <blockh34d> 4 luxuriant shades of green
[15:09] <blockh34d> in simulated genuine extremely low definition graphics
[15:09] <blockh34d> CGA lol
[15:10] <gordonDrogon> that's my Apple II. Not the first computer I used, but the one I used most when I was learning.
[15:10] <blockh34d> someday i'll be able to afford EGA and all 16 shades of glory!
[15:11] <blockh34d> holy crud i had no idea anyone ever owned or used a apple II outside of a school
[15:11] <gordonDrogon> I was at school at the time....
[15:11] <gordonDrogon> 1978.
[15:11] <blockh34d> i learned on a ti994a before i got access to a 8086
[15:11] <blockh34d> i was 2yo in 1978
[15:11] <blockh34d> still a little early for me to be hackin teh gibson
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[15:13] <blockh34d> well i gotta go bye all
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[16:09] <cvtsx> Hello
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[16:32] <[SLB]> hm first time this happens
[16:32] <[SLB]> running rpi-update
[16:32] <[SLB]> Unable to establish SSL connection.
[16:32] <[SLB]> !!! Failed to download update for rpi-update!
[16:32] <[SLB]> !!! Make sure you have ca-certificates installed and that the time is set correctly
[16:32] <[SLB]> is it an issue on my side?
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[16:47] <[SLB]> i had to wget it from another machine
[16:47] <[SLB]> so maybe something wrong with the certificates on the pi
[16:47] <sney> did you make sure the time was set correctly
[16:48] <[SLB]> i checked it with date and it was meaningfully correct, but maybe not precisely? how do i make exactly sure it is?
[16:48] <sney> well if it was the right day/year that should be sufficient for a cert
[16:49] <sney> can you ssh otherwise?
[16:49] <[SLB]> yes minutes were also ok with my desktop machine
[16:49] <[SLB]> yes everything works, just the wget from github didn't
[16:49] <sney> github's problem then
[16:49] <[SLB]> i thought too but my desktop machine could wget the file
[16:49] <sney> also, it's not recommended to use rpi-update on raspbian unless you absolutely need it for some reason
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[16:50] <blkno1> someone posted same issue, wanted to pull down new firmware for camera improvements.
[16:50] <[SLB]> hm, i've always been doing it since i got my pi over a year ago, some problem arised along the way with rpi-update that's not recommended?
[16:50] <[SLB]> yes blkno1 exactly for the camera me too eheh
[16:51] <[SLB]> i solved it by downloading the file with another machine and overwriting the pi one with the newly downloaded file
[16:52] <[SLB]> i found this topic googling that error http://www.raspberrypi.org/phpBB3/viewtopic.php?&t=43060
[16:52] <[SLB]> but it's quite old now
[16:52] <[SLB]> same issue
[16:52] <[SLB]> maybe just github acting up eheh
[16:54] <[SLB]> rebooting now, if i'm back, it means it worked :p
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[16:56] <[SLB]> \o/
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[16:58] <sney> [SLB]: it just doesn't respect the package manager so you can end up with a misbehaving system
[16:59] <[SLB]> ah ok eheh
[16:59] <sney> it's gone from being an "everyone" tool to an "if you know what you're doing" tool
[16:59] <[SLB]> i see, makes sense
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[17:43] <BeBored> hi there
[17:44] <Encrypt> Hi BeBored o/
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[17:45] <zaccanasta> hi guys, anyone able to install rtc clock on pidora?
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[17:51] <BeBored> i am using an adafruit thermal printer with my pi and i used that setup: http://learn.adafruit.com/pi-thermal-printer/pi-setup-part-2
[17:52] <BeBored> but when i try the printer.py testpage, its only printing like random characters
[17:52] <BeBored> any idea?? :)
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[18:23] <BeBored> when i try to change the keyboard layout i get the error: insserv: warning: script 'mathkernel' missing LSB tags and overrides
[18:24] <BeBored> could that be the problem?
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[18:28] <Getty> i never understand the raspberry pi guys and that minecraft rush
[18:28] <Getty> like if they get sponsored by them or something
[18:28] <Getty> which i doubt
[18:29] <AbbyTheRat> Hell yeah! My pi has arrived :)
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[18:29] <zz_Kymru> AbbyTheRat, thought you already had one
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[18:30] <AbbyTheRat> really? cause I didn't, I only had just enough money to get one a week ago
[18:31] <zz_Kymru> oh ok, well enjoy your pi
[18:31] <AbbyTheRat> Thanks ^^
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[18:33] <zz_Kymru> what have you got planned for it first?
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[18:34] <AbbyTheRat> alarm clock with google calendar connection to get wake event plus event reminders (two different kinds of alert style), such as pill reminders. Connects to a LCD clock that I going to steal from a work clock that has broken parts(plastic bits), to a 20x4 RGB display from Adafurit that I will get later.
[18:35] <AbbyTheRat> and since I have net connection for pi, I'll grab weather info and anything that might be useful to know in the mornings
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[18:36] <zz_Kymru> now that sounds like a good idea, any ideas on what you will use for a case?
[18:36] <AbbyTheRat> also to do later is figure out a way to connect one of my exisiting viberation pads from the other alarm clocks I have to the pi clock so I can still have something to wake me in the mornings instead of really really loud speakers
[18:36] <AbbyTheRat> still connecting the speakers up cause during the day I am wearing my hearing aids
[18:37] <AbbyTheRat> for case it's up in the air at the moment
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[18:38] <AbbyTheRat> I actually have a cabinet project I've been sorta working on for the last 4 years.. there's a large space where an old radio use to be, was thinking maybe I fit it in there
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[19:11] <gordonDrogon> it seems excessive to use a Pi as an alarm clock, but I know it's been done...
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[19:12] <gordonDrogon> but then, it's probably excessive to use a mobile phone as an alarm clock, but I've been doing that since I first owned a mobile phone...
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[19:12] <SpeedEvil> It's arguably excessive to use an alarm clock as an alarm clock.
[19:13] <IT_Sean> ^ aye
[19:13] <IT_Sean> Why have a dedicated device to wake you up when your phone can, and you already have a phone anyway.
[19:14] <SpeedEvil> I mean - given that there is a preexisting ball of fusing hydrogen.
[19:15] * SpeedEvil wonders what the sun is composed of in Equestria.
[19:16] <gordonDrogon> the trouble with that preexisting ball of fusing hydrogen is that it doesn't get turned on at convenient times....
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[19:23] <IT_Sean> ^ that
[19:23] <IT_Sean> If it were possible to schedule the activation of the ball of fusing hydrogen on a per day basis, it would be a useful means of waking onesself
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[19:28] <gordonDrogon> per day is fine... but not at the current time of approx. 5:30am when the local jackdaws decide to wake with it.
[19:29] <gordonDrogon> we have a town population of about 3 million jackdaws.
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[19:29] <gordonDrogon> I'll get a photo one morning...
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[19:29] <gordonDrogon> I tried the other morning, but when I opened the window the sky went from grey to black and it got a bit noisy...
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[19:33] <gordonDrogon> Hm. I appear to have just discovered 2048.
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[19:45] <chris_99> does anyone know if there is a way to read from i2c from the pi without specifiying an address
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[19:51] <SpeedEvil> Fundamentally umpossible as you can't do a I2C read without specifying an adress
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[19:53] <gordonDrogon> it's possible to read multile bytes from I2C, but only once a device has been addressed. You really need to know how many bytes to read though.
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[19:54] <SpeedEvil> yeah
[19:54] <gordonDrogon> I dislike I2C.
[19:54] <tonsofpcs> anyone have a 3d printer handy and want to test an STL for a wall-mount pi case for me?
[19:54] <gordonDrogon> tonsofpcs, I wish ...
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[20:01] <chris_99> i'm just trying to tap the data SpeedEvil
[20:01] <chris_99> from an I2C communication
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[20:07] <gordonDrogon> you could bit bang the lines - use the Pi's SCL line and sample that, then sample the SDA line... At 100Khz you ought to be able to keep up.
[20:07] <gordonDrogon> however the Pi's I2C pins have 1K8 pull-ups, so you might want to use 2 other pins in input mode (3.3v)
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[20:09] <chris_99> hmm im confused why it needs an addrss to read
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[20:09] <SpeedEvil> chris_99: because it's part of the protocol.
[20:10] <SpeedEvil> The host sends out the address it wants to read from, and then clocks the data in
[20:10] <SpeedEvil> the host must first write the adress.
[20:10] <SpeedEvil> If your question is 'how do I snoop the I2C bus' - then that's a rather different one - the I2C unit may not be capable of it, meaning you need to do it in hardware
[20:10] <gordonDrogon> chris_99, what's your aim? Are you snooping I2C between other devices?
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[20:11] <alesan> Hi!!!
[20:11] <chris_99> yeah just snooping
[20:11] <alesan> anybody knows if there is a gstreamer sort of plugin for the H.264 ENCODER in the raspberry pi?
[20:12] <gordonDrogon> ok - so for snooping you might be able to poll the clock & data lines but be aware of the on-board resistors a I mentioned above.
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[20:12] <alesan> I'd like to use a gstreamer pipeline to encode data from a webcam to H.264
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[20:14] <chris_99> ok, cheers, seems like polling is the only option then
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[20:15] <chris_99> alternatively could i use the SPI bus
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[20:15] <chris_99> and use the clk & data line
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[20:15] <chris_99> and treat it as input to SPI
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[20:20] <gordonDrogon> that won't work - the Pi is SPI master only.
[20:20] <gordonDrogon> it can't take an external clock.
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[20:24] <Heyo14> hi there
[20:25] <Heyo14> are you guys open to questions and help requests?
[20:25] <SpeedEvil> No, we just kill people.
[20:26] <Heyo14> lol
[20:26] <eggy> looks like you aim to please =]
[20:26] <Heyo14> *dials 999*
[20:27] <shiftplusone> Heyo14, how can we help you?
[20:27] * shiftplusone gets the chainsaw.
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[20:27] <Heyo14> Well, I'm a kind-of newbie to the pi.
[20:28] <chris_99> awh that's really annoying it doesn't support SPI slave
[20:28] <Heyo14> But as a starter project, I want to make a face recognition solenoid door lock.
[20:28] <eggy> We all have to start some place =]
[20:28] <Heyo14> I found a guide which d
[20:28] <Heyo14> explains the face recognition software and gets it to work with a servo.
[20:29] <Heyo14> I'm not sure how I would use this with a solenoid lock, and how I'd get the door to lock again.
[20:31] <shiftplusone> I haven't used them, but if I had to guess, you apply a current to unlock and when you turn it off, it springs back shut... but I haven't used one.
[20:31] <SpeedEvil> First. Can you display a simple 'unlock/lock' box on the screen
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[20:31] <SpeedEvil> If you can - then the problem resolves to 'how do I drive a solenoid'
[20:32] <Heyo14> what do you mean 'unlock/lock box'
[20:32] <SpeedEvil> I mean - do you understand how to display a simple dialog that the door should be locked or unlocked
[20:33] <Heyo14> A button? GUI? output? The guide doesn't mention that
[20:33] <SpeedEvil> Have you fully understood the face recognition part
[20:34] <Heyo14> I believe sl.
[20:34] <Heyo14> so
[20:35] <Heyo14> It's simply configuring it to recognise pictures from the camera.
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[20:35] <SpeedEvil> have you got that part working?
[20:35] <Heyo14> I just don't have a clue how to make it work with a solenoid rather than a servo.
[20:36] <Heyo14> I haven't done it yet!
[20:36] * SpeedEvil sighs at retarded walkthroughs.
[20:37] <Heyo14> My problem: Solenoid instead of servo, and how to connect the solenoid to GPIO.
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[20:38] <Getty> arghl i get crazy running that bluetooth on the serial
[20:38] <shiftplusone> Heyo14, you attach a mosfet and relay and an aux supply with whatever voltage the solenoid needs to activate. At least that would be my starting point.
[20:38] <SpeedEvil> https://www.google.co.uk/search?q=solenoid+raspberry+pi
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[20:39] <shiftplusone> ah, looks like relay is not required
[20:39] <shiftplusone> http://www.davidhunt.ie/?p=2770
[20:39] <SpeedEvil> It's on eway
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[20:42] <Heyo14> I am going to use a 5V solenoid - can this run from GPIO?
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[20:43] <shiftplusone> how much current does it need?
[20:43] <Heyo14> 1.1A
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[20:44] <shiftplusone> nope, way more than you can get through a pi
[20:44] <Heyo14> D:
[20:44] <shiftplusone> but you can split the output of the supply and use that
[20:44] <Heyo14> What should I do
[20:44] <shiftplusone> as long as the supply can provide enough current for the pi and the solenoid.
[20:45] <Heyo14> I use micro usb
[20:45] <Heyo14> How do I power the solenoid then..? It's DC 5V with two wires coming from it.
[20:45] <shiftplusone> you cut the usb cable
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[20:46] <Heyo14> Then what?
[20:46] <IT_Sean> really?
[20:47] <shiftplusone> Then split the output, one going to the pi as before and the other going to the transistor.
[20:48] <Heyo14> Why do I need a transistor?
[20:48] <Heyo14> Is it to control the solenoid?
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[20:48] <shiftplusone> it will be how you switch it on and off
[20:49] <Heyo14> Okay,
[20:49] <shiftplusone> if you just connect the 5v to the solenoid.. well, it will be always on.
[20:49] <Heyo14> How many wires are in the micro usb?
[20:49] <IT_Sean> 4
[20:49] <shiftplusone> 4, but only 2 are of interest
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[20:50] <IT_Sean> you want the red and black ones.
[20:50] <Heyo14> 2 data 2 power?
[20:50] <IT_Sean> Ignore the white and green.
[20:50] <Heyo14> Which one do I connect to the transistor/solenoid. Red or black?
[20:50] <shiftplusone> both
[20:51] <Heyo14> So red positive, black negative?
[20:51] <shiftplusone> Have you read this? http://www.davidhunt.ie/?p=2770
[20:51] <Heyo14> And the white and green ones power the pi?
[20:51] <shiftplusone> no and no
[20:51] <gordonDrogon> the easier way would be to buy a PiFace and use a relay on that to trigger the solenoid.
[20:52] <IT_Sean> the red and black wires will be powering both the transistor/solenoid arrangement and the pi
[20:52] <Heyo14> How?
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[20:52] <Heyo14> The pi receives power by micro usb
[20:53] <shiftplusone> Heyo14, take some time to think it over and google a bit.
[20:53] <Heyo14> By rewiring red and black to resistor we're removing the power
[20:53] <shiftplusone> what resistor?
[20:53] <IT_Sean> Heyo14: here is a hint... you can have more than one thing on a pair of wires.
[20:53] <shiftplusone> you don't remove anything you SPLIT! into two.
[20:54] <Heyo14> I don't get it... if it's just two wires how do i split them into 4
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[20:55] <thomasreggi> Is there an equivalent nodejs lib for raspberry pi like http://semu.github.io/noduino/
[20:56] <thomasreggi> I work with nodejs I'm trying to figure out which I should by, the classic arduino v raspberry pi debacle I guess
[20:56] <thomasreggi> thoughts?
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[20:57] <shiftplusone> Heyo14, well, you go in and you solder on an extra wire and insulate it. If that's too much, just use those ready-made usb splitter cables which comes with usb hard drives and such.
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[20:59] <shiftplusone> So he just leaves? O_o
[21:02] <IT_Sean> Apparently
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[21:03] <gordonDrogon> I do think you might have been making it hard for him ...
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[21:03] <shiftplusone> gordonDrogon, and how would he use the piface without an aux supply?
[21:03] <gordonDrogon> there are plenty of small boards with uln2003's on them now.
[21:03] <Getty> damn it, now i really removed all user usages of AMA0 and still i dont get anything back from the bluetooth
[21:03] <Getty> i get insane
[21:04] <gordonDrogon> yea, you still need external power, but for the switching part - 1 amp - use a relay on a PiFace, etc.
[21:04] <shiftplusone> he got that part, I think he was confused about the actual power bit.
[21:04] <gordonDrogon> not sure you can pull 1 amp out of a usb socket, but who knows....
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[21:05] <shiftplusone> I did tell him that's only an option if the supply can handle it.
[21:05] <shiftplusone> but ah well
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[21:06] <gordonDrogon> indeed.
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[21:06] <gordonDrogon> and I seem to have lost a class 10 SD card I had lying about my desk. this is a bother.
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[21:07] <shiftplusone> microusb?
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[21:07] <gordonDrogon> I need to swap it with a c4 that's causing my working Pi to be somewhat "clunky".
[21:07] <Raynerd> Bizzare issue!
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[21:07] <shiftplusone> bah, microsd*
[21:07] <atouk> gordon, check your pant cuffs
[21:08] <Raynerd> I can't login my pi because the raspbErry e letter is coming out as a square solid filled, so incorrect password!!
[21:08] <shiftplusone> eh? O_o
[21:08] <atouk> ssh, or direct
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[21:09] <gordonDrogon> atouk, translation failure... I think you mean trouser turn-ups....
[21:09] <Raynerd> Direct
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[21:09] <shiftplusone> Raynerd, and why do you still have the default password, sir?
[21:09] <atouk> go in ssh, and do a pw change
[21:09] <gordonDrogon> atouk, I'm not wearing trousers and the ones I own don't have turn ups...
[21:09] <atouk> then get a hanner and hit yoru keyboard until it acts properly
[21:09] <Raynerd> Just do.
[21:09] <shiftplusone> for shame
[21:10] <gordonDrogon> wheres the best uk place to get SD cards from? (not ebay/amazon)
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[21:10] <shiftplusone> gordonDrogon, why not the foundation?
[21:10] <rigo88> hi. is there a way to make the rbpi play the dts-hd truehd formats?
[21:10] <shiftplusone> hm, they don't seem to have them anymore =S
[21:10] <Raynerd> Still.. It keeps saying incorrect login! When I typed in raspberry for the username, just to view what was coming out, it is a square instead of a letter e
[21:11] <shiftplusone> Raynerd, wipe down the e key to make sure there's no smudge making it a square. >.>
[21:12] <Raynerd> Num lock light comes On when I press it
[21:12] <atouk> do alt codes work with the pi?
[21:12] <atouk> e = alt 101
[21:13] <shiftplusone> depends on what the composite key is set to. I don't remember how it works out of the box
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[21:13] <gordonDrogon> shiftplusone, no idea - didn't know they sold them.
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[21:13] <shiftplusone> gordonDrogon, http://swag.raspberrypi.org/collections/frontpage/products/noobs-8gb-sd-card
[21:13] <Raynerd> Ahh lost connect, last message was me sending one
[21:14] <atouk> checked my pi. logitech wireless using us kemapping. alt-101 = e
[21:14] <gordonDrogon> doesn't say what class it is, not the make. anyone got one?
[21:15] <shiftplusone> gordonDrogon, class 4, samsung
[21:15] <shiftplusone> I think
[21:15] <shiftplusone> *class 6, actually
[21:15] <shiftplusone> http://www.raspberrypi.org/archives/5989
[21:16] <Raynerd> atouk: Legend, that helps!
[21:16] <Raynerd> Still don't get why it is doing it
[21:17] <atouk> low battery in keyboard?
[21:17] <gordonDrogon> shiftplusone, thanks - that's exactly what I'm after..
[21:17] <shiftplusone> excellent
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[21:20] <gordonDrogon> Ordered - plus a mug :)
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[21:22] <gordonDrogon> that'll save me swapping the contents of a c4 SD card with a c6 one. I can wait a few days...
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[21:23] <gordonDrogon> Hm. rain. lots of it. if it's rainig tomorrow I will probably give the exeter Pi Jam a miss. it's a 15 minute walk to the location from the car park )-:
[21:23] <MarcN> I've upgraded the firmware for the picamera today using rpi-update and appear to be capturing at 90fps using raspivid. But the v4l2-ctl commands to allow other apps to run at that speed fail. the v4l2-ctl -p 90 says no /dev/video0 (correct). Ideas?
[21:23] <MarcN> ref: http://www.raspberrypi.org/archives/6475?utm_source=rss&utm_medium=rss&utm_campaign=new-camera-mode-released
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[21:27] <Joel> http://www.raspberrypi.org/phpBB3/viewtopic.php?f=27&t=39808 - Does anyone know what this does on the backend?
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[21:32] <MarcN> Joel, maybe some udev reconfiguration
[21:32] <SpeedEvil> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rBmnQN78aZU - For those interested in high performance electric vehicles. (well, sort-of)
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[21:33] <atouk> really? has to put belt on a can to measure? can't do teh math?
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[21:38] <MarcN> figured out my own problem with the new picamera fw -- needed to install uv4l from out of debian repos to get a /dev/video0
[21:38] <MarcN> http://www.linux-projects.org/modules/sections/index.php?op=viewarticle&artid=14
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[21:41] <Joel> MarcN, can't find a udev rule for it :\
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[21:45] <MarcN> Joel, sorry don't know
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[21:48] <shiftplusone> Joel, I think it uses udisks + gvfs
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[22:27] <Laseryoda> Can I test "sudo rm -rdf /" on my pi if I'm planning on reinstalling linux anyway
[22:27] <sney> yes
[22:27] <Laseryoda> !..!.(-.-).!..! rock'n'roll
[22:27] <sney> but first answer this question:
[22:27] <sney> what does sudo do?
[22:28] <Laseryoda> super user
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[22:28] <sney> sorry, that's not the answer we were looking for! better luck next time.
[22:28] <Laseryoda> que?
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[22:29] <sney> when you use a tool like sudo every day, maybe you should read its man page so you know all the things it can do. instead of slapping it on everything, even when you're just talking in IRC, like some ubuntu kiddie who thinks it's the magical root button.
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[22:29] <plugwash> admittedly the way the foundation have things configured it pretty much is a "magical root button"
[22:30] <Jusii> and useless use of -d !
[22:30] <Laseryoda> i'm new to this shit, calm ye titties
[22:30] <rikkib> I normally set a root password
[22:31] <sney> I use sudo all the time! sudo is great. but I'm familiar with what it does and how it's configured, because I try to learn things if I'm going to use them all the time. It's a practice that hasn't let me down yet
[22:31] <rikkib> By the way this a family friendly chan
[22:32] <Laseryoda> i apologize
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[22:37] <Laseryoda> Is it possible to power this fan http://imgur.com/NPm15ch with the RPI?
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[22:38] <plugwash> Laseryoda, do you just want to power it or do you also want to control it?
[22:38] <plugwash> do you need it to run at full speed or is reduced speed acceptable?
[22:39] <Laseryoda> Mainly just power it
[22:39] <Laseryoda> any speed works
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[22:42] <plugwash> connect the red wire to the 5V pin on the GPIO header, connect the black wire to the ground pin on the GPIO header
[22:42] <plugwash> leave the yellow wire disconnected
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[22:46] <zaccanasta> hi guys, anyone able to install rtc clock on pidora?
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[22:50] <zaccanasta> i have a RasClock i need to compile the driver (module)
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[22:53] <Laseryoda> plugwash: What happens if I connect them wrong?
[22:53] <Laseryoda> Nothing?
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[22:57] <plugwash> depends on what you connect them to..............
[22:57] <plugwash> potentially misconnecting stuff could put 5V on an IO line and fry it so be carefull
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[23:11] <zaccanasta> ok, i've been able to compile the module in this machine, i'll try later on pidora
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[23:59] * m8 (~m@unaffiliated/m8) Quit (Quit: Sto andando via)

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