#raspberrypi IRC Log


IRC Log for 2014-03-22

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[0:01] <dRbiG> whaazzzup!
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[0:14] <Heyo14> Hi,
[0:14] <Heyo14> Just a quick question,
[0:14] <dRbiG> hah
[0:14] <dRbiG> go on :)
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[0:15] <Heyo14> If I want to activate a device, a solenoid, by multiple methods, how do I do it?
[0:15] <dRbiG> mhm
[0:15] <Heyo14> I am doing face recognition but I also want keypad option.
[0:15] <dRbiG> nice
[0:16] <dRbiG> i'll be probably not-so-nice, but
[0:16] <Heyo14> Something like an 'OR' switch?
[0:16] <dRbiG> eh
[0:18] <shiftplusone> since you'll need to attach the keypad to the pi anyway, you can do it all in software.
[0:18] <Heyo14> How would I do it..?
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[0:18] <dRbiG> Heyo14: first let us make it clear, the umber in your nick has nothing to do with your age?
[0:18] <Heyo14> Yes it does..
[0:18] <Heyo14> I thought rPi was for all ages.
[0:19] <dRbiG> Heyo14: then it makes a difference
[0:19] <dRbiG> Heyo14: well, it is, and I'd be glad to help you
[0:19] <AbbyTheRat> I'm going to not attach keyboard to my pi :D
[0:19] <dRbiG> just give me a moment ;)
[0:20] <AbbyTheRat> well, I will to start with, just to get it setup
[0:20] <AbbyTheRat> then it be all remote stuff
[0:20] <Heyo14> @abby Just ssh :)
[0:20] <AbbyTheRat> shiftplusone: I got my pi today
[0:20] <AbbyTheRat> not messed with it yet, had other things to do
[0:20] <AbbyTheRat> it's on my desk, staring at me with sorry eyes
[0:20] <shiftplusone> I saw when I glanced at the scrollback, congratulations
[0:20] <Heyo14> Model A or B?
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[0:21] <AbbyTheRat> I saw so many pictures of it and now that I have it, I'm still surprised by how small it is
[0:21] <dRbiG> Heyo14: 1) first thing: ' activate a device, a solenoid, by multiple methods' is like: activate it anyway's working!
[0:22] <Heyo14> Well, I want to make sure the project is doable before I buy parts.
[0:22] <dRbiG> Heyo14: 'I am doing face recognition but I also want keypad option.' like: how do I read enter, but i want to have terminal input
[0:22] <dRbiG> Heyo14: moral being: take it slow, one thing at a time
[0:23] <Heyo14> I understand,
[0:23] <Heyo14> But if the solenoid lock fails, I am locked out of the room
[0:23] <Heyo14> And I can't just touch wires.. it would be on the inside.
[0:24] <dRbiG> Heyo14: good point there is realiabilty
[0:24] <Heyo14> A keypad failsafe would be to ensure I can get in in case of a failure in face recognition.
[0:24] <dRbiG> whatever it's spelled
[0:24] <dRbiG> heh
[0:24] <Heyo14> ALTHOUGH...
[0:24] <Heyo14> Idea...
[0:25] <dRbiG> Heyo14: too fast
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[0:25] <dRbiG> yeah
[0:26] <dRbiG> i wish i'd knew english when I was 14 and had access to a decent internetZ
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[0:26] <dRbiG> ;)
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[0:27] <Heyo14> If solenoid was connected by GPIO
[0:27] <dRbiG> Heyo14: don't
[0:27] <Heyo14> I could always manually activate it by SSH
[0:27] <Heyo14> Right?
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[0:27] <Heyo14> I'm just saying, I can always manually control GPIO from the terminal?
[0:28] <dRbiG> Heyo14: you may, or may not
[0:28] <Heyo14> So in the case of a lock-out, I can SSH in.
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[0:28] <Heyo14> why not?
[0:28] <dRbiG> Heyo14: the more important question is what exactly do you mean by a seleonoid
[0:29] <dRbiG> and how you connect it
[0:29] <Heyo14> solenoid lock
[0:29] <Heyo14> I'm going to power it externally via DC
[0:29] <dRbiG> Heyo14: does it have digital input?
[0:29] <Heyo14> It has two wires.
[0:30] <Heyo14> It needs 12V and 1a
[0:30] <dRbiG> as in ground and voltage(!)
[0:30] <dRbiG> ...
[0:30] <dRbiG> 1a as in 1 ampere?
[0:30] <dRbiG> :D
[0:30] <Heyo14> amp, yes
[0:30] <dRbiG> aye
[0:31] <Heyo14> But my problem is that it's not a component.
[0:31] <Heyo14> It activates purely on the application of power.
[0:31] <dRbiG> so you know you won't be powering that with rpi
[0:31] <Heyo14> Yes
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[0:31] <Heyo14> I need the rPi to control the power to the solenoid
[0:31] <dRbiG> Heyo14: you don't have problems; you have understandable lack of understanding ;)
[0:33] <dRbiG> Heyo14: i didn't do any seleonoids, but i'd look first for transistors, but that would almost surely by a semi-crappy way to do it
[0:33] <dRbiG> Heyo14: for inductive load you'll need a bit more
[0:34] <dRbiG> Heyo14: i'd assume it'll be similar to driving a dc engine
[0:35] <dRbiG> Heyo14: if you must now, then a transistor for powe switching plus a diode for the inducted current should suffice - but i'm no exper here
[0:36] <dRbiG> i treat analog stuff with respect
[0:36] <Heyo14> mhm
[0:36] <Heyo14> Problem is servos have three wires and controllable input
[0:36] <dRbiG> it involves a lot more math thatn i'd like to take on daily-distraction-hack-it basis
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[0:37] <dRbiG> Heyo14: servos take pwm input most of the planet here
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[0:37] <dRbiG> Heyo14: i have a better idea for you
[0:37] <Heyo14> ?
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[0:38] <dRbiG> Heyo14: grab yourself a 4x20 lcd and interface that with Pi
[0:38] <Heyo14> Why? I use a monitor.
[0:38] <dRbiG> for the electronics of it
[0:39] <dRbiG> it's much less likely to fry anything
[0:39] <Heyo14> So how does this lock the door?
[0:39] <dRbiG> it doesn't :)
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[0:40] <Heyo14> ..?
[0:40] <dRbiG> you can go ahead right now and lock the door with a key, and presumably your hand
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[0:41] <Heyo14> And I could make an email on my computer rather than having a smartphone
[0:41] <dRbiG> Heyo14: what i'm trying to say there is no one sentence answer to 'i wanna lock my door wi pi'
[0:41] <dRbiG> with*
[0:42] <dRbiG> except for 'you and the key' there won't be simple answers
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[0:47] <dRbiG> heh
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[0:48] <dRbiG> nobody else here?
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[1:00] <Vektor> Good evening everyone! Any C-knowledgable person around that could help me understand why this is happening? http://pastebin.com/pqh9CN4F
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[1:03] <dRbiG> Vektor: better question is: what's the purpose of all that crap
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[1:06] <dRbiG> Vektor: btw. it looks ok to me
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[1:08] <dRbiG> Vektor: do you even care?
[1:10] <thomasreggi> Anyone know where I can get my hands on a split-flap display?
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[1:12] <dRbiG> thomasreggi: split-flap?
[1:13] <pksato> thomasreggi: this type http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Split-flap_display ? No idea... On junkyard?
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[1:13] <thomasreggi> dRbiG: yeah
[1:13] <thomasreggi> dRbiG: so no ready solution
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[1:17] <shiftplusone> Vektor, try ##c
[1:19] <dRbiG> nice...
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[1:31] <thomasreggi> http://www.smiirl.com/
[1:31] <thomasreggi> I want to just buy individual boxes =[
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[1:35] <shiftplusone> thomasreggi, you should be able to. look up split flap displays
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[1:35] <thomasreggi> shiftplusone: Can't find any!
[1:35] <shiftplusone> hm
[1:37] <shiftplusone> might have to go to an airport or a train station and do some... maintenance.
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[1:39] <thomasreggi> shiftplusone: i was thinking of a more modern solution
[1:39] <shiftplusone> Google spits out lots of ways to make your own
[1:40] <shiftplusone> But I am surprised that such displays are hard to find. =/
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[4:20] <foxtrotniner> I'm trying to connect a 2.5" hard drive to my rpi, but all the hard drive specs say it requires 1A of current, if so how does this connector work? http://www.amazon.com/KingWin-USB-SATA-Adapter-ADP-07/dp/B004MN7D2E
[4:20] <foxtrotniner> doesn't a usb 2.0 port supply only 500mA of current?
[4:21] <foxtrotniner> usually you would need something like this: http://www.amazon.com/Patuoxun-Converter-Adapter-Cable-Drive/dp/B008ASF5MC/ref=pd_sim_sbs_e_2?ie=UTF8&refRID=1AMC4X4JJW2YWEPWN6Q9
[4:22] <[Saint]> foxtrotniner: there's no way you're going to get an ampere of draw out of the pi
[4:22] <[Saint]> you will *absolutely* need a powered hub for this.
[4:22] <[Saint]> No way around it.
[4:22] <foxtrotniner> so the rpi would give even less current than 500mA
[4:23] <[Saint]> assuming you're feeding the pi its max input current, you can afford about 900mA of draw total.
[4:23] <shiftplusone> foxtrotniner, to answer the question you asked, the cable is split for two ports, so you get 1000 mA in total (according to the specs). However, nobody follows the specs to the letter. Most modern USB ports will happily give an amp anyway. Keep in mind that the raspberry pi is not such a device.
[4:24] <[Saint]> Yeah, USB ports that follow spec are like unicorns.
[4:24] <foxtrotniner> ok so for example say a normal motherboard usb 2.0 port, it would also give 500mA
[4:24] <[Saint]> I have one device in my house that conforms to spec.
[4:24] <foxtrotniner> what would happen if such a drive decided to take 1A
[4:24] <[Saint]> It couldn't.
[4:24] <[Saint]> And the system would fall over.
[4:25] <[Saint]> You'd likely brown out as soon as it tried to spin up.
[4:25] <foxtrotniner> good lord, then this seagate external usb drive is gonna die as it does not have an external power supply
[4:25] <shiftplusone> foxtrotniner, in practice, it may supply it, it may shut the port down, or it may try its best and fail.
[4:25] <[Saint]> foxtrotniner: get a powere hub
[4:25] <[Saint]> *powered
[4:26] <foxtrotniner> i seem to have this drive http://www.amazon.com/Seagate-Backup-Portable-External-STBU1000100/dp/B00829THO6
[4:26] <[Saint]> that's nice.
[4:26] <foxtrotniner> and it doesn't even have a power connector
[4:26] <[Saint]> You need a powered hub. :)
[4:26] <shiftplusone> In case nobody has mentioned it yet, get a powered hub.
[4:26] * [Saint] has an awesome 2A x10 port hub
[4:26] * shiftplusone has dejavu
[4:27] <[Saint]> (expensive as almighty Hell, though)
[4:27] <foxtrotniner> yes for the rpi, but its amazing as this drive's spec sheet says 1A max current draw
[4:27] <foxtrotniner> and the spec for usb 2.0 is 500mA
[4:27] <shiftplusone> foxtrotniner, why is that amazing?
[4:27] <foxtrotniner> must be drawing the other 500mA out of thin air then
[4:28] <[Saint]> I...gah. Yep. Ok.
[4:28] <shiftplusone> or... as mentioned earlier, that's why they provide a split cable and why most ports DON'T FOLLOW THE SPECS
[4:29] <foxtrotniner> yes i understand
[4:29] <shiftplusone> I would like to get my hands on the USB specs though
[4:29] <shiftplusone> it seems like you can only get a stripped down version without paying =/
[4:30] <foxtrotniner> can anyone recommend a powered hub?
[4:31] <shiftplusone> http://elinux.org/RPi_Powered_USB_Hubs
[4:31] <foxtrotniner> the rpi forums seem to suggest the china made ebay ones are garbage
[4:31] <shiftplusone> affordable hubs are just garbage in general
[4:31] <shiftplusone> but they work
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[4:33] <shiftplusone> Ah, USB specs seem to be available without having to pay silly amounts.
[4:33] <[Saint]> what the nuts apt?
[4:34] <[Saint]> "can't install foo; foo relies on package foo"
[4:34] <[Saint]> Thanks.
[4:34] <shiftplusone> so install foo and then install foo >.>
[4:34] <foxtrotniner> circular depdendency
[4:34] <foxtrotniner> the solution is to not install foo
[4:34] <[Saint]> :)
[4:35] <shiftplusone> need more foo
[4:35] <shiftplusone> You'd love gentoo >.>
[4:35] <foxtrotniner> yes got tired of emerge
[4:35] <foxtrotniner> emerge moo
[4:35] <[Saint]> Ah. Its the wine ppa not playing nice with trusty sources
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[4:42] <[Saint]> Well...heck. I wasn't expecting that to work so easily.
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[4:43] <[Saint]> BF2 in Wine on Ubuntu, passed through the etherwaveynets to a raspi and on to my television.
[4:43] <[Saint]> (its the first part that amazed me the most, really)
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[4:47] <shiftplusone> Hm, apparently normal usb devices (<100mA) have to work properly on 4.4V (minimum), or on 4.75V when in high-power mode (500mA).
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[4:47] <shiftplusone> I'd suspect that most devices wouldn't function properly on 4.4v, but hey O_o
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[4:48] <piney0> the manufacturers don't even bother with the standards
[4:48] <shiftplusone> well, it's nice to learn what they are anyway, to make sure I am not just parroting what I've seen others say. >.>
[4:49] <[Saint]> with the way its implemented across the board, it really is a bloody miracle that you can plug in so many USB devices and have them "just work".
[4:49] <[Saint]> Though, there are indeed outliers.
[4:49] <shiftplusone> "The maximum voltage drop for all cables between upstream and downstream on GND is 125 mV (V GNDD )" heh.... I've seen cables that easily drop half a volt >_<
[4:50] <shiftplusone> oh, that's on gnd... I don't even know how that works, nvrm.
[4:50] * [Saint] looks at his 20m usb CABLE
[4:50] <[Saint]> ...and his caps key.
[4:51] <shiftplusone> Hell, hubs are allowed to drop 350mV from their power input to the USB ports.
[4:53] <shiftplusone> hell, that's all at steady state. Under transient conditions, the voltage is allowed to drop to 4.07v
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[4:58] <shiftplusone> Hm, we tend to say that 500mA is the spec, like anything that draws more is out of spec. To be fair, 500mA is the minimum a high power port should provide.
[4:58] <shiftplusone> oh never mind... it also happens to be the maximum a device should take in high-power mode. >.>
[4:59] <foxtrotniner> confusing ya?
[4:59] <shiftplusone> and in any case, the device should ask before drawing anything over 100mA.
[5:00] <shiftplusone> It's confusing because the main document is over 600 pages and then you have 20 other documents with amendments and such =/
[5:01] <[Saint]> and, technically, a port shouldn;t supply any more than 100mA to anything that doesn't enumerate.
[5:01] <[Saint]> so...there's that, too.
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[5:01] <shiftplusone> yeah
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[7:10] <blockh34d> lol RaptorJesus i have a statue of Jesus riding a t-rex i made, it's pretty awesome i bet you'd dig it
[7:10] <blockh34d> if i can scan it in i might sell it somewhere or post it on thingiverse or something
[7:11] <shiftplusone> heh
[7:11] <blockh34d> seen that wiki page?
[7:11] <blockh34d> 'jesus and the dinosaurs coexisted' hahahahahaha
[7:12] <shiftplusone> nope
[7:12] <blockh34d> oh it's a classic. sec i'll find it
[7:12] <blockh34d> maybe the single dumbest thing i've seen on the internet presented as 'fact'
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[7:15] <blockh34d> "Creation science posits that dinosaurs lived in harmony with other animals, eating only plants, that pairs of dinosaur were taken onto noah's ark
[7:15] <blockh34d> www.conservapedia.com/Dinosaur
[7:15] <blockh34d> that spurred the creation of many a funny fark photo, of jesus riding dinosaurs, raptor jesus (jesus holding a baby raptor), etc
[7:16] <shiftplusone> meh
[7:17] <blockh34d> it made me laugh, it still does
[7:17] <blockh34d> people believe some crazy stuff
[7:17] <shiftplusone> making fun of creationists is about as fun as picking a fight with a toddler. It saddens me more than anything now.
[7:17] <RaptorJesus> have you seen the Obama on a raptor pic?
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[7:17] <blockh34d> i'd leave them alone but they're picking a fight with science
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[7:18] <blockh34d> no
[7:18] <blockh34d> to be honest i don't really care about obama
[7:18] <blockh34d> just another plant
[7:18] <[Saint]> I was always taught that it was rude to make fun of the mentally ill. So I leave the religious alone.
[7:18] <Nexuist> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=77pnVFLkUjM
[7:18] <blockh34d> oh i'm religious
[7:19] <blockh34d> i'm just sane, imo
[7:19] <blockh34d> i believe in Jesus the pothead, not jesus the zombie
[7:19] <blockh34d> to each their own.
[7:20] <blockh34d> i think we're getting off topic, my bad
[7:20] <RaptorJesus> http://img.myconfinedspace.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/11/obama-on-a-raptor-700x373.jpg
[7:21] <RaptorJesus> AMERICA
[7:21] <blockh34d> i don't really trust anti-obama links
[7:21] <blockh34d> too many viruses
[7:21] <RaptorJesus> it's just a .jpg
[7:21] <shiftplusone> I don't think falling into the trap of lumping all religious people into the same category is smart either. You have the westboro types, the creationists, the pro-life, anti-equality and all kinds of crazies, but you also have brilliant geniuses and normal people who believe in God, they just keep it to themselves usually.
[7:21] <blockh34d> yah it can still give you a virus.
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[7:22] <blockh34d> nsa has some very black tech
[7:22] <blockh34d> i'll wget it
[7:22] <shiftplusone> but, yeah religion and politics is not something this channel gets into.
[7:22] <blockh34d> agreed didn't mean to get so off topic
[7:22] <blockh34d> just think raptorjesus is a funny nick
[7:23] <blockh34d> looks like my app might eventually get approved
[7:23] <shiftplusone> hurray for eventually
[7:23] <blockh34d> i guess indiecity is splitting rpistore off as seperate thing and my app submission got misfiled?
[7:23] <blockh34d> something like that i dunno
[7:23] <RaptorJesus> I say fuck it
[7:24] <RaptorJesus> open the borders
[7:24] <[Saint]> *ahem*
[7:24] <shiftplusone> RaptorJesus, family friendly channel.
[7:24] <RaptorJesus> mah bad
[7:25] * shiftplusone isn't sure how to read the headline "NYC boy 'shot dead bus bystander'"
[7:26] <blockh34d> a bus died?!?
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[7:26] <blockh34d> is it a pirate who became a ghost or a ghost who also pirates?
[7:27] <shiftplusone> oh, they changed it by the time I opened the link "Boy, 14, charged with shooting dead bystander on New York City bus"
[7:27] <blockh34d> why does that even make the news?
[7:27] <blockh34d> its sad but does not seem like national news, hardly even local news at this point
[7:28] <shiftplusone> BBC World News
[7:28] <blockh34d> oh thats why
[7:28] <blockh34d> in america that is not news
[7:28] <Nexuist> wait what
[7:28] <Nexuist> "charged with shooting dead bystander"
[7:28] <blockh34d> seriously, firest reaction from me: 'only one?'
[7:28] <shiftplusone> yeah, go figure.
[7:28] <Nexuist> i
[7:28] <shiftplusone> at least it's better than dead bus bystander.
[7:28] <Nexuist> what
[7:29] <blockh34d> i would have expected nicer grammar from bbc
[7:29] <shiftplusone> who was probably sitting, anyway.
[7:29] <Nexuist> they care more about the boy who shot the dead guy and not about how the dead guy died?
[7:29] <RaptorJesus> Free thought and critical thinking lead to provable answers. Practice common etiquette, while not wallowing in fear of the unknown. Stop thinking with your feelings.
[7:29] <blockh34d> dead bus bystander is some ny daily news / national enquirer headlines
[7:30] <blockh34d> RaptorJesus: not that I'm a big fan of plato but perhaps you should look into his 'muses'
[7:30] <blockh34d> it's important to understand the magnitude of what you don't know
[7:30] <RaptorJesus> i know I know nothing
[7:31] <blockh34d> well thats a start :)
[7:31] <blockh34d> i'm a big fan of cynic philosophy
[7:31] <RaptorJesus> I know a good amount but I know there's always somebody out there better than me
[7:31] <blockh34d> the idea that nature is #1, and from that truth, and self - evident reality is probably the most important thing we can be aware of
[7:32] <RaptorJesus> I'd really like to meet these challengers.
[7:32] <blockh34d> why does it have to be a conflict?
[7:33] <blockh34d> that's my problem with debate, a lot of things don't need debated but they do need discussed
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[7:33] <RaptorJesus> i'm for keeping it proper
[7:34] * [Saint] parses that news headline as someone shooting someone else who was already dead.
[7:34] <blockh34d> it's like cavemen argueing C vs Python
[7:34] <RaptorJesus> http://blogs-images.forbes.com/shenegotiates/files/2011/09/A-Flowchart-to-Help-You-Determine-if-Yoursquore-Having-a-Rational-Discussion.jpg
[7:34] <[Saint]> ultramurder
[7:34] <blockh34d> they really need to stop and learn how to make a transistor first
[7:34] <shiftplusone> blockh34d, debates are good for those on the fence or as introduction to the differing points of view. They are not intended to convert the opponent or to convince the convinced.
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[7:35] <blockh34d> thats a good point
[7:35] <blockh34d> i guess it's why i prefer rhetoric over debate
[7:35] <blockh34d> rhetoric has a bad rep but its actually a pretty awesome thing
[7:35] <AbbyTheRat> huh
[7:35] <blockh34d> prior to rhetoric, swords is how you changed minds
[7:35] <AbbyTheRat> so I finally was able to test out the pi
[7:35] <blockh34d> oh ya? any luck
[7:35] <AbbyTheRat> the mirco usb power doesn't fit
[7:35] <AbbyTheRat> <_<
[7:36] <blockh34d> at the case or the jack?
[7:36] <AbbyTheRat> jack
[7:36] <blockh34d> do you have powered hub? i power my rpi from the usb jac
[7:36] <blockh34d> that's troubling
[7:36] <AbbyTheRat> I use this same one for other mirco usb, such as my phone, and special headphones
[7:36] <shiftplusone> AbbyTheRat, I am sure I don't need to say it... but are you sure you got it the right way around? =P
[7:36] <blockh34d> you of course know of the differnce between mini and micro usb or whatever the two very small usb hookups are?
[7:36] <AbbyTheRat> (it's more of a box that loop around my next that provide signal to my hearing aids)
[7:37] <AbbyTheRat> I wonder if the jack is a mini?
[7:37] <shiftplusone> it's micro
[7:37] <AbbyTheRat> mini is bigger?
[7:37] <shiftplusone> yes
[7:37] <AbbyTheRat> huh, all this time
[7:37] <blockh34d> yah there's two very similarly sized small usb hookups
[7:37] <blockh34d> ones kinda taller
[7:37] <AbbyTheRat> that's the mini
[7:38] <AbbyTheRat> well now
[7:38] <AbbyTheRat> erm
[7:38] <blockh34d> do you have a powered hub?
[7:38] <AbbyTheRat> insert a few beeping here
[7:38] <blockh34d> it will power a pi without anything plugged into the power jack of the pi
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[7:38] <AbbyTheRat> nope
[7:39] <AbbyTheRat> not a few beeps, just one really
[7:39] <blockh34d> bedeep
[7:39] <blockh34d> yah i think you're outta luck till you get the right jack hooked up then
[7:39] <AbbyTheRat> twp
[7:39] <blockh34d> can pi power through lan jack?
[7:39] <AbbyTheRat> yep*
[7:40] <blockh34d> that'd be a neat trick
[7:40] <AbbyTheRat> don't think so..
[7:40] <blockh34d> yah me either
[7:40] <blockh34d> but i didnt expect it to draw power through it's usb either
[7:40] <AbbyTheRat> USB not uncommon to draw power from
[7:40] <AbbyTheRat> LAN kinda yeah
[7:40] <blockh34d> yah theres no way it gets power though lan
[7:41] <blockh34d> only in magicland
[7:41] <shiftplusone> well, there is PoE, but the pi doesn't support it.
[7:41] <blockh34d> oh
[7:41] <blockh34d> cool well that'd be a cool feature to add
[7:41] <AbbyTheRat> blockh34d: you made me totally think of this - http://weknowgifs.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/03/its-magic-shia-labeouf-gif.gif
[7:42] <AbbyTheRat> shiftplusone: I was thinking of it, still common thou
[7:42] <AbbyTheRat> unless you go for big business
[7:42] <AbbyTheRat> uncommon*
[7:42] <blockh34d> lol
[7:42] <blockh34d> Magic!
[7:43] <AbbyTheRat> yeah, don't need to know lip-reading all that good to be able to read his
[7:43] <blockh34d> haha no
[7:43] <blockh34d> too bad about his name
[7:43] <shiftplusone> AbbyTheRat, can you read lips by the way?
[7:43] <blockh34d> he's actually a pretty ok actor but his name is just really hard to stomach
[7:44] <AbbyTheRat> yeah
[7:44] <shiftplusone> Oh yeah, what am I saying?
[7:44] <blockh34d> like going to mcdonalds and ordering a frappe... you just feel dumb for saying it, imo
[7:44] <AbbyTheRat> just enough to cover what I miss with my hearing aids
[7:44] <blockh34d> that'd be a sweet google glass app
[7:44] <AbbyTheRat> all together, I learned to speak better then someone with more hearing then I do
[7:44] <blockh34d> auto lip reader
[7:45] <AbbyTheRat> the problem is.. there's just so many ways to say one thing
[7:45] <blockh34d> more magic
[7:45] <blockh34d> yah it's basically impossible
[7:45] <blockh34d> but maybe if the AI could get really used to a particular person
[7:45] <AbbyTheRat> not impossible
[7:45] <shiftplusone> Just what google and nsa need >_<
[7:45] <AbbyTheRat> just not going to be accurate
[7:45] <blockh34d> yah i meant in terms of a broadly usable app that works on google glass
[7:45] <blockh34d> gonna need better tech or a smaller sample size
[7:46] * AbbyTheRat stares at her raspberry pi and sigh
[7:46] <blockh34d> maybe a small mountain of glasses could do it
[7:46] <shiftplusone> AbbyTheRat, you don't have a few more cables to try?
[7:46] <blockh34d> i really like the idea of designing accessibiliy hardware
[7:46] <AbbyTheRat> http://www.academia.edu/852581/Lip_Reading_Mechanism_Using_Artificial_Intelligence_and_Machine_Learning
[7:47] <blockh34d> i have a headset in mind for the vision impaired, i think it would give them a sort of sonar
[7:47] <blockh34d> it could run off a rpi and use basically cheap off the shelf parts
[7:47] <shiftplusone> Bah, so much JunkScript on that page.
[7:47] <blockh34d> i hate all the filler script anymore
[7:47] * shiftplusone is not a fan of web pages that need to enable lots of scripts just to display content
[7:48] <blockh34d> i hated it on real computers but its just totally unaccpetable on a pi browser
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[7:48] <AbbyTheRat> yeah but it is a techinal source
[7:48] <blockh34d> pdf would be better for a paper imo
[7:48] <AbbyTheRat> as in, someone actually doing research into it
[7:48] <AbbyTheRat> it is pdf
[7:49] <AbbyTheRat> just.. instead of just using a simple adobe or something
[7:49] <AbbyTheRat> they done it in a funny way
[7:49] <blockh34d> yah its wrapped in some scumware
[7:49] <blockh34d> or junkware or whatever
[7:49] <blockh34d> if its adobes, its scumware
[7:50] <blockh34d> you really can't trust anything on the internet anymore
[7:50] <AbbyTheRat> http://www.ai.mit.edu/courses/6.899/papers/nips93_bregler_om.pdf
[7:50] <blockh34d> all the big names have been subverted
[7:50] <blockh34d> ms, google, adobe, all have little NSA backdoors
[7:50] <shiftplusone> I like 'JunkScript' for unnecessary use of JavaScript. I coined it yesterday and hope it will catch on. >.>
[7:50] <blockh34d> yah thats a winner i'll go with that one
[7:50] <blockh34d> copyright it and we'll get you some royalties.
[7:51] <shiftplusone> heh
[7:51] <blockh34d> heard of a 'cottonmouth'?
[7:51] <AbbyTheRat> so many websites want you to "like their facebook page" I always just close it and try to avoid letting it get to me D:
[7:51] <blockh34d> anyone who hasnt should google for nsa and cottonmouth
[7:51] <blockh34d> very interesting
[7:51] <AbbyTheRat> there's one thing that really get to me
[7:51] <blockh34d> i dont facebook
[7:51] <AbbyTheRat> when I copy/paste something, there's junkscipe to add more infomation in
[7:51] <blockh34d> i dont recommend it, i never have
[7:51] <AbbyTheRat> I won't recommend it either
[7:52] <blockh34d> so much pointless stuff on the inet imo
[7:52] <AbbyTheRat> but I live about 3000 miles away from my parents
[7:52] <blockh34d> i'm fine with the protocols established in the mid90s mostly
[7:52] <blockh34d> with the exception of bittorrent i think we had almost all the important stuff figured out well before 2000
[7:52] <AbbyTheRat> and my parents are comforable with facebook
[7:53] <AbbyTheRat> so I keep things updated on facebook so she can read them
[7:53] <blockh34d> yah my mom keeps trying to get me to use it or pinterest
[7:53] <shiftplusone> nuh, I like 'rich web applications', but only when it's appropriate.
[7:53] <AbbyTheRat> we only chat on skype a couple of times a month
[7:53] <blockh34d> i'd use pinterest but it required facebook so, no go
[7:53] <blockh34d> but she's only a 100 miles away and i'm fixing up a property she just bought anyways so it's not like we dont see each other
[7:53] <AbbyTheRat> I miss my parents :(
[7:54] <blockh34d> i probably would use facebook to keep in touch if i had to
[7:54] <AbbyTheRat> not long after I moved, I found out my dad has parkingson :(
[7:54] <blockh34d> so i dont mean to sound elitist or something
[7:54] <blockh34d> thats sad i'm sorry to hear that
[7:55] <blockh34d> i cant wait until medicine really kicks into overdrive
[7:55] <AbbyTheRat> they've visited twice, once to see how I'm settled
[7:55] <AbbyTheRat> and once not long after the baby was born
[7:55] <AbbyTheRat> and that will most likely be the last time
[7:55] <AbbyTheRat> the parkingson progcessed to the point where they now manage it with meds
[7:55] <blockh34d> as soon as we can expand our lifespans enough our eggheads really get a chance to flex their mind muscles, our medicine will skyrocket in effectiveness and immediacy
[7:56] <blockh34d> keep hoping for the best, it's a powerful force
[7:56] <AbbyTheRat> I don't have any other cables
[7:56] <blockh34d> who knows what the future holds
[7:56] <shiftplusone> blockh34d, I think we're kind of at the limit of our life expectancies anyway.
[7:57] <blockh34d> no way we haven't even scratched teh surface!
[7:57] <blockh34d> we'll live for thousands of years and soon
[7:57] <blockh34d> maybe within our lifetimes
[7:57] <AbbyTheRat> Cancer and brain dieases is the biggest problem with us
[7:57] <AbbyTheRat> but they are fixing it slowly
[7:57] <blockh34d> look at a chart of average lifespan over the last 500 years
[7:57] <AbbyTheRat> and there's research going on with mole rats
[7:57] <shiftplusone> yeah... no.
[7:57] <shiftplusone> We're not mole rats.
[7:57] <blockh34d> it pretty much doubles every hundred years... pretty soon we'll be extending our lifespans faster than they end
[7:58] <AbbyTheRat> last I heard, it given researchers some ideas
[7:58] <AbbyTheRat> but anyway
[7:58] <blockh34d> already we can grow spare organs in our stomach and transplant them into place
[7:58] <AbbyTheRat> I think we're completely off topic
[7:58] <AbbyTheRat> way way off topic
[7:58] <blockh34d> thats existing technology. That fixes a lot right there, and then we can focus on the really tricky problems of the mind (nanobots)
[7:58] <blockh34d> yah i'm horrible about that
[7:59] <shiftplusone> we don't really enforce the topic here unless it drowns out pi related questions.
[7:59] <shiftplusone> or if it goes into the religion/politics/drugs area.
[7:59] <AbbyTheRat> so dem weeds
[7:59] <shiftplusone> aye
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[7:59] <blockh34d> i can't wait until the singularity arrives
[7:59] <blockh34d> that is what i have heard people call that moment in history
[7:59] <AbbyTheRat> do you pull it, use weedkiller or some natural method?
[7:59] <blockh34d> it's coming... soon
[8:00] <blockh34d> pull it
[8:00] <blockh34d> if i had a goat i'd let the goat deal with it
[8:00] <AbbyTheRat> I let it grow and encourge insect life
[8:00] <AbbyTheRat> only problem is, this is a rented prop
[8:01] <shiftplusone> blockh34d, as far as life expectancy goes. Even without cancer, without diseases or any kind, people don't live long after 100. When life expectancy increases, the maximum life span of humans stays about the same.
[8:01] <AbbyTheRat> with a nasty landlady who we have a case going against her
[8:01] <blockh34d> i have 4 pets so... i'd rather keep my backyard flea population down
[8:01] <AbbyTheRat> I miss our last landlord
[8:01] <blockh34d> oh i hate scummy landlords
[8:01] <AbbyTheRat> that's easy, cut the grass high every so often
[8:02] <shiftplusone> I hate to say it, but the Bible called it =P (Genesis 6:3)
[8:02] <blockh34d> i kind of am the landlord now at my current place, it's really weird for me
[8:02] <AbbyTheRat> fleas usually comes from other aniamls
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[8:02] <AbbyTheRat> no religion~
[8:02] <shiftplusone> >=/
[8:02] * shiftplusone grumbles and goes to sleep.
[8:02] <blockh34d> i dunno shiftplusone
[8:02] <blockh34d> i think we've only begun
[8:03] <AbbyTheRat> I have no cables that I can use, I think
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[8:03] <blockh34d> maybe you could power it straight off the gpio's?
[8:03] <blockh34d> sounds liek ahorrible idea
[8:03] <AbbyTheRat> no powered hub either.. and I doubt I can get my computer to supply it and even then, no male to male USB
[8:03] <blockh34d> unless someone who knows says it works, than who knows
[8:03] <blockh34d> oh don't run off computer usb thats just failure waiting ot happen
[8:03] <blockh34d> for me anyways
[8:03] <shiftplusone> blockh34d, Powering through GPIO is almost the same as backfeeding.
[8:04] <blockh34d> it sounds like a bad idea right
[8:04] <shiftplusone> not if you know what you're doing
[8:04] <AbbyTheRat> "almost but not quite"
[8:04] <blockh34d> i dunno maybe if its an action movie and the world is doomed, unless we can power up the rpi, then maybe
[8:04] <shiftplusone> you're just bypassing the polyfuse and moving further away from TVSD
[8:04] <AbbyTheRat> aka if you f... er.. mess up then boom
[8:04] <blockh34d> i would watch that movie
[8:05] <blockh34d> speaking of, ever seen primer?
[8:05] <AbbyTheRat> man, I'm sorta of a mod in a game and even there I 'm allowed to swear
[8:05] <shiftplusone> AbbyTheRat, I hate to point you to the channel rules D=
[8:05] <blockh34d> primer2 would feature a scene like i mentioned, no problem
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[8:06] <AbbyTheRat> sorta mod, more of a helper really but I'm all visible and the like
[8:06] <blockh34d> I love the movie primer and highly recommend it to all the rpi community
[8:06] <shiftplusone> what game?
[8:06] <AbbyTheRat> Guns of Icarus
[8:06] <blockh34d> it's a movie made for inventors and gadget heads
[8:06] <shiftplusone> ah
[8:06] <AbbyTheRat> Online
[8:07] <AbbyTheRat> I'm a CA, Community Ambassdor
[8:07] <blockh34d> whats that game about?
[8:07] <blockh34d> strategy, shooter?
[8:07] <AbbyTheRat> airships battles, basically
[8:07] <AbbyTheRat> in a steampunk like setting
[8:07] <blockh34d> cool
[8:07] <AbbyTheRat> not really sure what genre to list it in
[8:08] <blockh34d> hey anyone tried that one game in pistore umm looks like freelancer?
[8:08] <blockh34d> rpi needs a freelancer kind of game, that'd be sweet
[8:08] <AbbyTheRat> I don't think I have
[8:08] <blockh34d> its a space shooter sec i'll find name
[8:08] <blockh34d> ever tried freelancer?
[8:08] <AbbyTheRat> I've the only freelancer like game I played was freelancer
[8:08] <blockh34d> awesome. I'm a big fan of that game
[8:08] <AbbyTheRat> unless you count eve-online
[8:09] <blockh34d> which i keep thinking about
[8:09] <blockh34d> but i think my computer is not good enough for
[8:09] <blockh34d> iridium rising
[8:10] <blockh34d> actually looks pretty promising
[8:10] <[Saint]> Its the real-world money that makes it an issue, IMO.
[8:10] <blockh34d> eve online can be played free though i hear
[8:10] <blockh34d> like you can earn the credits needed to play within the game
[8:11] <[Saint]> it can be, sure. but then its monotonous.
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[8:11] <AbbyTheRat> problem is it takes at LEAST 6 month to get the skills needed to start doing that
[8:11] <blockh34d> oh i see
[8:11] <blockh34d> yah i haven't tried it yet but i could imagine
[8:11] <blockh34d> yah i want to make a similiar way for people to get any of my games free
[8:12] <blockh34d> like you get the demo free and if you play it like a boss online a lot, you get a free copy eventualy with everything unlocked
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[8:12] <blockh34d> or maybe if you host a gameserver for a month, i give a free copy of the game
[8:13] <shiftplusone> 'night
[8:13] <blockh34d> gnite
[8:14] <AbbyTheRat> and since my pi is currently resting too
[8:14] <AbbyTheRat> I'm going to sleep too
[8:14] <AbbyTheRat> will have to think how to solve this problem
[8:14] <blockh34d> yah you need a new power supply
[8:14] <AbbyTheRat> either go to a store (which store?) or just order it online and once again.. wait for shipping
[8:14] <blockh34d> but they're very common
[8:14] <VoidFox> blockh34d: can u give me the links to your games
[8:14] <AbbyTheRat> which is worse cause it's DA WEEKEND!
[8:14] <VoidFox> blockh34d: boooored
[8:15] <blockh34d> voidfox: oh i would love to but i don't have anything published yet
[8:15] <blockh34d> i'll give you a copy of the app i just released though
[8:15] <blockh34d> it's a media player maybe you can help me beta test it
[8:15] <blockh34d> i think you'll like it if your frustrated with omxplayer
[8:16] <blockh34d> my game isn't ready yet but i'll save your email if you want and send you a copy when it is
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[8:16] <blockh34d> its hasnt been approved in store yet so i'd have to send you a copy
[8:17] <blockh34d> if you'd rather wait for it in the store, it's called 'Scamp AV Player'
[8:17] <blockh34d> its free so either way doesnt matter
[8:17] <blockh34d> i do need beta testers though, having some problems i'd like to sort out
[8:17] <AbbyTheRat> andd anyway
[8:17] * AbbyTheRat sleeps
[8:17] <AbbyTheRat> gooodnight
[8:17] <blockh34d> gnite
[8:18] <VoidFox> um im online using 3g.. makes downloading stuff a pain
[8:18] * AbbyTheRat sleeps ontop of the sleeping shiftplusone
[8:18] <VoidFox> @msg
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[8:18] <blockh34d> yah i understand. Well it's a very small file fyi since it's basically just some python
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[12:05] -tomaw- [Server Notice] This server will be momentarily offline over the weekend. Please reconnect to chat.freenode.net to ensure continuity of service. Thanks!
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[12:57] <[SLB]> i saw this script somewhere to check the wifi link, and if down, it restarts the interface https://github.com/dirttech/SmartMeter/blob/master/wifi_drop.sh
[12:57] <[SLB]> i took the while loop off so i can use it with cron, doing so http://pastebin.com/7VLkYKcv
[12:58] <[SLB]> but it seems to kill the interface even when the link is up
[12:58] <[SLB]> i'm probably missing something stupid i guess
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[12:59] <[SLB]> unless that script is bugged by itself to begin with
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[13:00] <MrFishfinger> There needs to be a test that determines whether the wifi is up or not
[13:00] <MrFishfinger> I haven't read the script, but always restarting the interface regardless of its state will give you that behavior
[13:01] <[SLB]> the test it uses is if ifconfig wlan0 | grep -q "inet addr:" ; then
[13:01] <[SLB]> the restart is on the else branch
[13:02] <[SLB]> in the then branch there's nothing
[13:02] <Jusii> maybe it's missing path
[13:03] <[SLB]> hm, of?
[13:03] <Jusii> cron by default has limited $PATH
[13:03] <[SLB]> oh
[13:03] <[SLB]> you mean to call the script?
[13:03] <Jusii> and maybe sudo get's roots path
[13:03] <Jusii> in the script
[13:03] <Jusii> try /sbin/ifconfig
[13:03] <[SLB]> ah thanks, okie
[13:03] <Jusii> or declare path on start of the script
[13:04] <MrFishfinger> depends on cron's user
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[13:04] <MrFishfinger> but yeah, it's always prudent to use absolute paths in cron scripts
[13:04] <[SLB]> i was running it as myself, if i run ifconfig from shell, that grep gives me false if the link is up
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[13:04] <[SLB]> actually, i think it always gives false, hm..
[13:05] <[SLB]> thanks i'll try that too
[13:05] <Jusii> or put something like: PATH=$PATH:/sbin:/bin:/usr/bin:/usr/sbin
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[13:06] <[SLB]> thanks
[13:07] <[SLB]> let's see
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[13:07] <ectospasm> easier to us absolute paths
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[13:16] <[SLB]> weird though, since i can reach the command as my user already, i thought that cron ran as the same user could do the same
[13:16] <[SLB]> but again, i really never used cron before eheh
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[13:23] <ectospasm> it's a security feature
[13:23] <[SLB]> ah oks
[13:24] <[SLB]> good to know :3
[13:24] <ectospasm> if an attacker knows you put a full-blown user path in cron, your cron jobs could use compromised binaries
[13:24] <[SLB]> makes sense
[13:24] <ectospasm> especially if the directories aren't secure, like /usr/local/* or . ...
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[13:25] <[SLB]> eheh
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[13:26] <blockh34d> i wish any of that made sense to me
[13:26] <blockh34d> but you lost me right after chron tab
[13:26] <ectospasm> yeah, it boggles my mind that some people put . in their path
[13:26] <ectospasm> crontab*
[13:26] <blockh34d> crontab even, thanks
[13:26] <ectospasm> cron is a UNIX scheduling subsystem
[13:27] <blockh34d> yah i used it for webserver stuff back in the day
[13:27] <ectospasm> crontab is a file that tells cron what to do and when to do it
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[13:27] <ectospasm> now, if these jobs are not to be repeated, use at
[13:27] <[SLB]> yea
[13:27] <blockh34d> so i know about that but as far as putting different kinds of paths in there and the security implications... outta my paygrade now
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[13:28] <blockh34d> mind explaining about the full blown user path vs (other option)?
[13:28] <blockh34d> cause i don't know what most of that meant
[13:29] <ectospasm> absolute path to the binary or file you want to run, like /sbin/ifconfig, or /path/to/configuration file
[13:29] <blockh34d> i think i'll read up the buffer
[13:29] <blockh34d> prolly answer a lot of questions
[13:29] <blockh34d> i just like to learn and when it comes to security and linux i'm still pretty fuzzy
[13:30] <ectospasm> absolute paths always begin with /
[13:31] <ectospasm> although if PATH security is your only line of defense, your system is lost
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[14:07] <[SLB]> it seems to work so far with the full path for ifconfig, thanks
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[14:07] <[SLB]> i also added a log file so i can see what's going on
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[14:34] <ectospasm> good on you!
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[14:45] <_ynk> hello, I'm planning to buy a rasbpi model B, and I have a question about it. I noticed it does not have internal memory (not ram, storage memory). so where is the operating system installed to?
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[14:45] <_ynk> also, are there any resources recommended to read before using it (that is installing the OS on it and so on)
[14:46] <Jusii> sdcard
[14:46] <Jusii> has everything
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[14:47] <ClarusCogitatio> Hey guys, the RPi was release quite a while ago... is there an expected spec bump or a new release going to be anytime?
[14:47] <ClarusCogitatio> It's been 2 years or so
[14:48] <Jusii> atleast not very soon, that's what the foundation has said
[14:48] <ClarusCogitatio> i see, thanks.
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[14:48] <_ynk> Jusii: so without an SD card I won't be able to use the rasbpi (makes sense, just making sure I got it right)
[14:48] <ClarusCogitatio> does anyone know a channel for parallel/similiar boards to the pi?
[14:48] <ClarusCogitatio> Micro-Computing?
[14:48] <Jusii> _ynk: right, it can only boot from sdcard
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[14:48] <_ynk> Jusii: thanks.
[14:48] <CDR`> ClarusCogitatio have you tried /list and seeing what pops up?
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[14:49] <ClarusCogitatio> haven't found anything live
[14:49] <_ynk> ClarusCogitatio: #arudino?
[14:49] <ClarusCogitatio> An arduino is not a general purpose computer
[14:49] <_ynk> ClarusCogitatio: true
[14:49] <nStensen> ClarusCogitatio: #beagle ? ;)
[14:49] <ClarusCogitatio> I'm interested in microcomputing, not embedded
[14:49] <ClarusCogitatio> i'll try that nStensen, thanks
[14:49] <nStensen> np
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[17:42] * Set by ShiftPlusOne!~Shift@unaffiliated/shiftplusone on Sun Aug 04 19:59:52 CEST 2013
[17:42] <K-77> total noob here, do rapsberry pi will work with ILI 9338? It's screen from a device called Dingoo as you may know, thanks in advance for any answers
[17:43] <DoctorD90> thx pksato :) i will check for it ;)
[17:43] <markvandenborre> this means wget doesn't work with https on the pi for the moment
[17:43] <markvandenborre> which means it's not possible to run rpi-update
[17:43] <markvandenborre> in quite a few configurations
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[17:49] <pksato> K-77: for quick search, is possible, need to port kernel module and connect to rpi GPIO.
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[17:50] <K-77> thanks this is knowledge what I needed to go forward
[17:50] <K-77> which*
[17:51] <chunkyhead> can anyone help me with the memory problem im facing..
[17:51] <chunkyhead> i have a 8gb memory card running archlinux-arm. du -m at / gives me 1640. but df -m shows root full :|
[17:52] <K-77> how long raspi would run on battery like this? 3.7V 2300mAh
[17:52] <[SLB]> chunkyhead, do you have raspi-config?
[17:53] <Darkwell> think u need to switch up the voltage
[17:53] <chunkyhead> [SLB]: i dont know what that is
[17:53] <K-77> kinda obvious ;)
[17:53] <[SLB]> run raspi-config as root or with sudo and resize the partition
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[17:53] <pksato> K-77: two hours.
[17:53] <[SLB]> if you don't have it, sudo apt-get install raspi-config
[17:53] <chunkyhead> [SLB]: im runngin archlinux
[17:54] <[SLB]> oh ok missed that
[17:54] <[SLB]> you can resize the partition of he sd on another machine?
[17:54] <[SLB]> (i don't know arch but it should also have some equivalent tool)
[17:55] <chunkyhead> [SLB]: it does
[17:55] <[SLB]> nice :)
[17:55] <chunkyhead> partitions are proper. let me share a screenie
[17:55] <[SLB]> hm, ok lets see
[17:55] <chunkyhead> http://screencloud.net/v/ujpv
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[17:56] <Darkwell> P = UI . 3.7x2.3 = 8.51... then account loss at the switch about .7 =5.9
[17:56] <Darkwell> so my guess is 1 hor because of 5watt use of the rpi
[17:56] <chunkyhead> [SLB]: http://screencloud.net/v/ujpv
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[17:57] <[SLB]> i don't quite get the size there of the partitions, so they sum up to 8gb?
[17:58] <ShorTie> resizing sdcard on arch is tricker cause they use a extenend partition
[17:58] <chunkyhead> that's exactly what i was wondering
[17:58] <chunkyhead> what's the use of extended partition?
[17:59] <chunkyhead> ShorTie: ^
[17:59] <ShorTie> i didn't make the image, not sure why thet changed up
[17:59] <ShorTie> they*
[18:00] <[SLB]> is that the output of parted btw? mine looks different and clearly tells me the size in mb
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[18:01] <ShorTie> ya, that has extended partition 2 with partition 5 inside it
[18:01] <pksato> but, is easy, use standar fdisk or other, delete partition 5, and recreate using same start point, and full size end point. write/quit and run resize2fs.
[18:01] <[SLB]> i think in this case you have to first resize p2
[18:02] <ShorTie> see those start value, those are the key, you need to set them the same after you delete them
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[18:02] <pksato> oh... yes. p2 need to resize too.
[18:02] <chunkyhead> [SLB]: i think you are right. turns out only around 2gb goes to my root O.o
[18:02] <chunkyhead> http://screencloud.net/v/ELHb
[18:03] <ShorTie> you need to delete 2, and then recreate 2 & 5 with same starting points
[18:03] <[SLB]> yeap
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[18:04] <chunkyhead> so. p2 and p5 both will start at 188416
[18:04] <pksato> no
[18:04] <chunkyhead> i delete p2 and p5 is also deleted O.o wtf
[18:05] <pksato> same original start point.
[18:05] <chunkyhead> as in?
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[18:05] <chunkyhead> pksato: i cant delete p5 because thats where my root is right?
[18:05] <[SLB]> 186368 and 188416
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[18:06] <chunkyhead> what are you triyng to say
[18:06] <chunkyhead> im unable to comprehend
[18:06] <pksato> at moment, you not deleting any. just making a new partition table.
[18:07] <chunkyhead> pksato: that would help me how
[18:07] <pksato> if make mistake, just quit without writing.
[18:07] <chunkyhead> pksato: make new partition table, with same p1 p2 p5?
[18:07] <chunkyhead> starting and ending points?
[18:08] <[SLB]> this is not for arch but it has some steps to follow that may clarify a bit https://projects.drogon.net/raspberry-pi/initial-setup1/
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[18:08] <ShorTie> ending points will come upto full size of sdcard, no worries for that
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[18:09] <ShorTie> that is old, i wouldn't really follow it to the T
[18:09] <chunkyhead> [SLB]: alright
[18:10] <[SLB]> yea just the concept of deleting and creating the partition and what numbers to use
[18:10] <chunkyhead> yea thanks
[18:10] <ShorTie> notice how the patitions are different, primary/extended vs. primary/primary/swap
[18:11] <chunkyhead> will let u know when im done :)
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[18:20] <chunkyhead> not booting
[18:20] <chunkyhead> :\
[18:20] <chunkyhead> any other ideas to fix it now?
[18:20] <[SLB]> i guess check the sd partitions on another machine if you can
[18:21] <chunkyhead> [SLB]: yea that's what im doing right now :D
[18:21] <[SLB]> eheh
[18:21] <[SLB]> and let's see those numbers :)
[18:21] <ShorTie> double check starting points
[18:22] <chunkyhead> http://screencloud.net/v/cEN9
[18:22] <chunkyhead> let me try starting from 188416. which was root
[18:22] <ShorTie> you didn't remake partition 5 did you ??
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[18:23] <chunkyhead> the guide said dont?
[18:23] <ShorTie> i believe i said that guide was old, and follow to the T
[18:23] <chunkyhead> ShorTie: oh wait.. that was swap
[18:23] <ShorTie> and don't follow it to the T
[18:23] <chunkyhead> my bad didnt read properly
[18:23] <[SLB]> sorry i guess i confused you with that link more than persuade you
[18:24] <chunkyhead> no no it's alright
[18:24] <chunkyhead> i didnt read properly. it is my fault
[18:24] <chunkyhead> no harm done. partitions can be resized :)
[18:24] <ShorTie> just make pertition 5
[18:24] <[SLB]> eheh
[18:24] <chunkyhead> can i make 2 paritions starting from the same block?
[18:25] <chunkyhead> just asking
[18:25] <ShorTie> no, it starts at 186416 from your picture
[18:25] <chunkyhead> it says no free sectors available
[18:25] <[SLB]> your new p2 though is primary
[18:26] <ShorTie> oh, you made partition 2 a primary not an extended
[18:26] <[SLB]> it was extended
[18:26] <chunkyhead> why cant i just create p2 from 188416?
[18:26] <[SLB]> it's to preserve the data on the sd
[18:26] <[SLB]> you start exactly as before
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[18:29] <chunkyhead> alright booted
[18:29] <chunkyhead> let me see disk usage
[18:31] <chunkyhead> still the same error
[18:32] <[SLB]> i think if you have gparted on the second machine that would be easier, but what's the problem now, still showing 1.7gb?
[18:34] <chunkyhead> [SLB]: yep
[18:34] <[SLB]> when you created p2 and p5, after choosing the start point, i guess it asked about the end point too
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[18:35] <[SLB]> what did it propose for that value? i think you could've used the whole available size at that point
[18:35] <chunkyhead> http://screencloud.net/v/ffcc
[18:35] <chunkyhead> i did
[18:36] <chunkyhead> p2 is extended. p5 is logical
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[18:36] <pksato> df -h show that?
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[18:36] <chunkyhead> oh wait
[18:36] <[SLB]> it looks good to me?
[18:36] <chunkyhead> i have to run resize :\
[18:36] <[SLB]> oh
[18:37] <chunkyhead> http://screencloud.net/v/sx2s
[18:37] <pksato> after partition edit, need to tell to kernel reread table.
[18:37] <pksato> or reboot.
[18:37] <pksato> and, resize.
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[18:38] <justaguy> had a feeling to become a mirror of raspbian , sad fact = it takes a long time to download all those files
[18:38] <pksato> p5 noy p2
[18:38] <chunkyhead> me stupid
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[18:38] <chunkyhead> ok done
[18:39] <chunkyhead> thanks guys :)
[18:39] <chunkyhead> one more thing
[18:39] <[SLB]> nice :)
[18:39] <chunkyhead> since i havent made any user on rpi, it is just root. where wil all the config files be stored?
[18:39] <chunkyhead> eg .bashrc
[18:40] <[SLB]> if you're root, in /root
[18:40] <[SLB]> defaults are in /etc
[18:40] <[SLB]> generally, not sure in arch, but i guess it's the same
[18:40] <chunkyhead> i thought so too, but when i create .bashrc in root it doesnt change anything
[18:40] <ShorTie> put it in etc
[18:41] <ShorTie> DIR_COLORS too if you have 1
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[18:42] <chunkyhead> ShorTie: bash defaults will be stored in which file
[18:42] <chunkyhead> in /etc/
[18:43] <ShorTie> .bashrc
[18:43] <chunkyhead> there is no .bashrc in my etc
[18:43] <chunkyhead> anywhere else the defaults will be stored?
[18:43] <chunkyhead> will/can be
[18:44] <justaguy> /home/yourusername/.bashrc
[18:44] <[SLB]> i have bash.bashrc in raspbian
[18:44] <chunkyhead> [SLB]: found it :)
[18:44] <[SLB]> same name there too?
[18:44] <[SLB]> eheh
[18:46] <chunkyhead> do i need to restart bash after i make changes in .bashrc?
[18:46] <[SLB]> relog or source the config file
[18:46] <chunkyhead> how would i do that
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[18:47] <[SLB]> source /path to/bashrc
[18:47] <[SLB]> i think it needs to have executable permission, not sure, or just relog
[18:47] <[SLB]> typing exit
[18:47] <[SLB]> and log back in
[18:47] <chunkyhead> [SLB]: souce works
[18:47] <chunkyhead> thanks
[18:47] <[SLB]> nice :)
[18:48] <chunkyhead> just wanted ls --auto=color to work :P
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[18:48] <[SLB]> eheh
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[18:54] <limitz-ARSNL> does anyone have experience connecting two, mcp23017 to the raspberry pi?
[18:54] <limitz-ARSNL> im not sure how to bias the a0, a1, and a2 pins on the 2nd device
[18:55] <limitz-ARSNL> on the first device, all 3 are grounded to give an address of 0x20
[18:55] <lvispy> do you know any script to optimize raspbian? i want to remove the unecessary stuff
[18:58] <awestroke> lvispy: remove packages you don't want
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[18:58] <chunkyhead> it's difficult to remove unecessary stuff, what's important for you might not be for someone else. and vice-versa.
[18:58] <chunkyhead> lvispy: ^
[18:58] <lvispy> sure, but it's easier using a script
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[18:59] <lvispy> there was a script that removed a lxde a while back, but i cannot find it anymore
[18:59] <chunkyhead> lvispy: it's easy if you identify what packages you dont want.
[18:59] <lvispy> lxde and other GUI stuff
[18:59] <ShorTie> hifi has scripts that work the otherway .. :/~
[19:00] <lvispy> ok, i'll try pibang a raspbian fork
[19:01] <ShorTie> https://github.com/hifi/raspbian-ua-netinst
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[19:04] <lvispy> a minimal one is good as well :D thanks ShorTie
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[20:15] <linguini> I just discovered that my raspbian system has a ton of illegal blocks on its file system.
[20:16] <linguini> I discovered this after 'apt-get install' failed saying an inode had an illegal value.
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[20:17] <linguini> I'm running fsck, and it reports a *lot* of problems. E.g. Illegal block #315343 (2147483648) in inode 7. IGNORED. . . .
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[20:17] <SuperLag> Do any of you use your Pi as a NAS? is that possible/practical?
[20:19] <linguini> SuperLag: I have some git repositories on mine.
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[20:19] <linguini> But note, I just discovered a file system corruption problem.
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[20:21] <SuperLag> linguini: I got fs corruption in the past, but that was from improper shutdowns, from as far as I could tell
[20:21] <linguini> SuperLag: Did you fix them?
[20:22] <linguini> That is, was the corruption fixable for you?
[20:22] <SuperLag> I reinstalled.
[20:22] <linguini> I haven't turned off my pi intentionally, but the power has gone out once.
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[20:22] <SuperLag> I have my pi connected to a UPS.
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[20:23] <SuperLag> I just pulled the plug when I was moving it around.
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[21:01] <basketball> how do i get unbanned from the google plus page
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[21:03] <woooden> i’m having issues getting sudo apt-get updgrade to work. it tries to connect to mirrors.cat.pdx.edu but fails every time. i can ping mirrors.cat.pdx.edu no problem but when it comes to downloading package upgrades from it, it fails time after time
[21:04] <woooden> is there a way to force it to try a different mirror? or even just try a different mirror if the first mirror fails?
[21:04] <shiftplusone> you could try manually switching the mirror to something close to you
[21:04] <woooden> well that’s the thing - the pdx mirror is about 5 miles from my house...
[21:04] <woooden> i live in portland, that mirror is the Portland State University mirror
[21:04] <shiftplusone> So.... walking distance then. Go and kick their admin.
[21:05] <woooden> heh, wouldn’t that be nice
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[21:05] <woooden> i emailed them about this about a month ago and received no response
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[21:05] <shiftplusone> could leave an angry note at their footstep. Or just use a different mirror anyway.
[21:05] <shiftplusone> *doorstep >_<
[21:06] <linguini> woooden: FYI: I have the same problem.
[21:06] <shiftplusone> same mirror?
[21:06] <linguini> Indeed.
[21:06] <woooden> i wonder if it’s a problem on their end or if my router is just blocking it for some reason
[21:07] <shiftplusone> are you able to just wget packages?
[21:07] <woooden> pinging it works though…
[21:07] <woooden> yeah
[21:07] <woooden> well, wget works in general. haven’t tried to wget a package from the pdx mirror
[21:07] <shiftplusone> I mean specifically from their mirror.
[21:07] <woooden> trying right now...
[21:08] <woooden> doesn’t look promising, it’s still attempting to connect
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[21:12] <woooden> Resolving mirrors.cat.pdx.edu (mirrors.cat.pdx.edu)..., 2610:10:20:208::29
[21:12] <woooden> Connecting to mirrors.cat.pdx.edu (mirrors.cat.pdx.edu)||:80... failed: Connection timed out.
[21:12] <woooden> Connecting to mirrors.cat.pdx.edu (mirrors.cat.pdx.edu)|2610:10:20:208::29|:80... failed: Address family not supported by protocol.
[21:12] <SuperLag> woooden: hooray for PDX. I'm a Portlander too. Suburbs, though.
[21:13] <woooden> ’tis a good town with a crappy debian mirror :P
[21:13] <SuperLag> I use Ubuntu and Arch. No issues there.
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[21:13] <SuperLag> And OSU for as many mirrors as I can.
[21:14] <SuperLag> Corvallis.
[21:14] <woooden> ah yes
[21:14] <woooden> well i just got accepted into psu’s ECE grad school so maybe i’ll go b*tch em out about it one of these days…
[21:14] <SuperLag> woooden: totally. I'd do that, yesterday. Especially, being in the program.
[21:15] <woooden> lol
[21:15] <SuperLag> woooden: I was looking at the MS CS program, but it assumes you have an undergrad CS degree... and I studied business.
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[21:16] <woooden> do they not allow you to prove your worth in other ways?
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[21:19] <SuperLag> woooden: not without lots of math
[21:20] <SuperLag> which I suck at
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[21:20] <woooden> you could always take some math classes and see where your strengths are and focus on what you don’t know well
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[21:20] <woooden> (of course, assuming you have the time. hah..)
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[21:28] <woooden> sent them another email with some error logs… maybe they’ll read it this time.
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[21:29] <woooden> in the mean time, hawaii’s mirror seems to be working out just fine....
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[21:38] <AbbyTheRat> Soo, anyway, shiftplusone I had to take my kid to ER last night.. his fever got too high for comfort.. well turns out he has parvo virus
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[21:39] <AbbyTheRat> and the last 2 weeks, I was also feeling stiff and random general crappiness.. yep.. parvo too
[21:39] <AbbyTheRat> but anyway, I went out and got the mirco USB that I need.. now to turn it on .. finally <_<
[21:39] <Raynerd> Anyone about - first day with pygame and I have something together, some of it my own code but the grid formation taken from the net. http://pastie.org/8959771 At the moment, each player has a max of four goes then it moves to the other player. I want to make it so that the 4 goes have to be in cells next to each other
[21:39] <Raynerd> not diagonal
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[21:40] <ectospasm> AbbyTheRat: no dogs I trust?
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[21:40] <AbbyTheRat> no
[21:40] <AbbyTheRat> I do have degus
[21:40] <AbbyTheRat> so I am slightly worried but as far as I Can tell, they are fine
[21:41] <ectospasm> Well, anyone who moves into your current dwelling will have to inoculate their dogs against parvo, lest they die
[21:41] <ectospasm> Parvo kills dogs fast
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[21:41] <ectospasm> and parvo hangs out for a loooooooong time
[21:41] <AbbyTheRat> yeah well, that be down to the landlady
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[21:42] <ectospasm> heh, maybe she won't want dogs living there
[21:42] <ectospasm> seems kinda harsh
[21:42] <AbbyTheRat> hate the landlady and I don't think she would clean up
[21:42] <AbbyTheRat> she's trying to kick us out and not legally so far
[21:42] <ectospasm> Cill the Land(lady)
[21:42] <ectospasm> squat, then
[21:43] <AbbyTheRat> we already got a case building up against her anyway
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[21:43] <AbbyTheRat> we keep to ourselves, and document everything she does
[21:44] <AbbyTheRat> not only can we fight against her if she decide to finally go to the tennant boarding thingy to evict us, we have record to show that she only want to kick us out, not that she any valid reasons. And if she does that, then we have enough of a case to counter sue for haressment
[21:44] <AbbyTheRat> (legal aid, for the win!)
[21:46] <Raynerd> !?
[21:46] <AbbyTheRat> Raynerd: I've been thinking about your issue, you have access to the coding right?
[21:46] <Raynerd> sure... I linked to it
[21:47] <AbbyTheRat> I'm blind, looking at it now
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[21:48] <Raynerd> I should only ask one q at a time...BUT,, the other issue is that you can multiply select a square - as in, you can select it, then select it again. I need to lock out the square once it has been selected.
[21:49] <AbbyTheRat> Okie, add a check after the player move that that only one number changed (meaning it went only one direction, not diagonal
[21:49] <AbbyTheRat> if a a playe rmove diagonal then there be two number changed
[21:49] <AbbyTheRat> understand me, Raynerd?
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[21:50] <Raynerd> AbbyTheRat - yes, I understand you concept... just not sure how to code... I`ll have to have a think but you have given me the answe!
[21:50] <Raynerd> answer!
[21:50] <ShorTie> that is good for across, but what about up/down
[21:52] <AbbyTheRat> yeah you know the position of your piece, look at the x,y of the what the player want to move to
[21:52] <AbbyTheRat> Shortie, ? if the piece went up, then X would change, but y stays the same
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[21:52] <AbbyTheRat> if they went across,X stays the same, but 7 changes
[21:52] <blockh34d> man #opengl is just full of jerks anymore
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[21:52] <blockh34d> can't even talk about opengl
[21:53] <AbbyTheRat> if they went diagonal, both x and y changes
[21:53] <ShorTie> true
[21:53] <AbbyTheRat> so to you test x and y and see if one or both has changed (or neither and count it as an invaild move if you want to add more checks)
[21:53] <Raynerd> But... if they moved TWO spaces up from the last move, only one value would have changed but it`d be a false move!
[21:54] <blockh34d> i code lots of little games and stuff too btw Raynerd
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[21:54] <blockh34d> so if you're ever stuck and looking for answers you can msg me and maybe i can help
[21:54] <blockh34d> i don't mind i'm bored and chatty
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[21:54] <AbbyTheRat> as for locking the square.. set a boolean as "firstSelected" then ignore any more clicks after that until the move is done?
[21:54] <AbbyTheRat> does that work, Raynerd?
[21:54] <Raynerd> I`ve just stuck three RasPi in our library and this is a game our kids came up with and they asked me to help code it with them last week
[21:55] <Raynerd> I`ve no idea what I`m doing so thought I`d spend my weekend testing :-S
[21:55] <AbbyTheRat> then you can do this
[21:55] <AbbyTheRat> then count how much x and y has changed
[21:55] <AbbyTheRat> so what you want is
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[21:56] <AbbyTheRat> if orginal.x - des.x > 1 or <-1 then invalid move
[21:57] <AbbyTheRat> then you check to see if y is valid, then see if both of them have changed
[21:57] <blockh34d> ever use codepad.org to post code?
[21:57] <blockh34d> you could post the source code and then we could tweak it out for you
[21:58] <AbbyTheRat> distance.x != 0 and distance.y != then invalid move
[21:58] <blockh34d> btw hi AbbyTheRat
[21:58] <AbbyTheRat> heya blockh34d
[21:58] <AbbyTheRat> blockh34d: he did, but I'm in the mindset of letting him figure the code changes out himself :)
[21:58] <Raynerd> http://codepad.org/9Ibt0vXA
[21:58] <blockh34d> how about you add up the amount moved in each direction into one sum, and if that sum is not 1, its not a valid move
[21:58] <AbbyTheRat> learn by doing
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[21:59] <blockh34d> yah taht's probably better
[21:59] <blockh34d> slow though
[21:59] <blockh34d> lot to learn
[21:59] <blockh34d> maybe we give lil boost
[21:59] <AbbyTheRat> blockh34d: good idea :)
[21:59] <Raynerd> haha :-)
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[21:59] <AbbyTheRat> let him try first, then if he's really struggling, maybe ^_^;
[22:00] <blockh34d> yah good better for him to explain to the chiltens how to do it
[22:00] <AbbyTheRat> chillten?
[22:00] <blockh34d> otherwise they could ask questions and who knows?
[22:00] <blockh34d> children
[22:00] <AbbyTheRat> children *
[22:00] <blockh34d> said in the voice of i forget who
[22:00] <blockh34d> black movie actor
[22:00] <blockh34d> kinda older guy
[22:00] <blockh34d> worried about the chiltens
[22:00] <AbbyTheRat> why did him being black was important to know?
[22:00] <Raynerd> please bear in mind I`m a Chemistry teacher - I`m making no pretence to anyone I teach computing or coding!!!
[22:00] <blockh34d> cause he was saying it in a black voice
[22:01] <blockh34d> if he was speaking in a black voice as a white man, that'd be racist
[22:01] <AbbyTheRat> could just say he was doing it in an accent
[22:01] <blockh34d> but since he is black, sounding quite black, its natural
[22:01] <blockh34d> yah maybe
[22:01] <AbbyTheRat> so an american saying something in a British voice is racist?
[22:01] <blockh34d> well i'm not racist i'm not down with that
[22:01] <AbbyTheRat> accent*
[22:01] <blockh34d> a little
[22:01] <Raynerd> Why is describe him as black irrelevant?
[22:02] <blockh34d> frankly i think an american speaking in pitched voices about other americans could be racist, or, bigotted anyways
[22:02] <blockh34d> like how gays are pitched as effiminate nancy boys that mince around everywhere
[22:02] <blockh34d> not true
[22:02] <ShorTie> 'Chemistry teacher', your learning the chemistry of 0 and 1's, hehe
[22:02] <blockh34d> kind of degrading if you ask me
[22:02] <AbbyTheRat> nor am I but I'm in the mindset of that making a note of some race unless you have to describe a person is racist anyway
[22:02] <AbbyTheRat> we're all equal
[22:02] <AbbyTheRat> which you agree, just being nitpicky
[22:02] <blockh34d> we're born equal
[22:02] <blockh34d> we may not die equal
[22:03] <blockh34d> your actions define your worth imo
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[22:03] <Raynerd> So we should ignore ones race?
[22:03] <AbbyTheRat> anyway, dangerous thing to tread so lat move on
[22:03] <blockh34d> your actions and your intentions
[22:03] <Raynerd> yup, Python!
[22:03] <blockh34d> haha
[22:03] <blockh34d> yes
[22:03] <hideo> what's with the social commentary in #raspberrypi
[22:03] <blockh34d> good call
[22:03] <blockh34d> thats me i'm a nut
[22:04] <blockh34d> i try to stay on topic but i'm just kinda nuts so i rant
[22:04] <AbbyTheRat> what social commentary?
[22:04] <AbbyTheRat> we're not talking about anything here, just raspberry pi and python
[22:04] * AbbyTheRat waves her hand
[22:04] <Raynerd> python and raspberry pi no less!
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[22:04] <blockh34d> i'll go
[22:04] <blockh34d> sometimes i just can't really be around people i guess
[22:04] <Raynerd> her hand .... I won`t pick up on gender there ;-P
[22:05] <Raynerd> :-)
[22:05] <AbbyTheRat> Raynerd, did you understand my answer about stopping a person from selecting many blocks?
[22:05] <blockh34d> bbl cya
[22:05] <Raynerd> no, admittedly I didn`t. But I did get your concept of moving in only one direction!
[22:05] <Raynerd> so I think with a little struggle and effort I can do that.
[22:06] <AbbyTheRat> awesome, okie the blocking of a move is a bit more simple
[22:06] <AbbyTheRat> you know what a boolean is?
[22:06] <Raynerd> & !
[22:06] <AbbyTheRat> and not?
[22:06] <Raynerd> ok
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[22:07] <AbbyTheRat> boolean is a value of trule or false
[22:07] <AbbyTheRat> (or 1 and 0)
[22:07] <Raynerd> yes sure!
[22:07] <AbbyTheRat> so when a player select a block, you set a value as true
[22:07] <Raynerd> if block is true: move invalid
[22:08] <AbbyTheRat> so next time a player select something, unless it's the same block, you can just ignore the input :)
[22:08] <AbbyTheRat> or that :)
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[22:08] <AbbyTheRat> if the person select the same block
[22:08] <AbbyTheRat> you can unselect it and set the value back to false
[22:09] <AbbyTheRat> I think there be a value in the code that you can test for if a block is selected or not
[22:09] <Raynerd> admittedly, the bit I`m struggling with is the grid formation as I took the code for that off the net!
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[22:10] <AbbyTheRat> so if block is not selected and perviousblocksselected is not true, then select the block
[22:10] <Raynerd> acually... let me give that a go!
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[22:10] <AbbyTheRat> if block is selected then set perviousblockselected to false and unselect block
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[22:11] <AbbyTheRat> don't forget to reset the value for the next player
[22:11] <AbbyTheRat> otherwise you might have an interesting time of debugging it :)
[22:12] <AbbyTheRat> Raynerd, admittedly, modifying codes to make simple changes is a good way to learn programming
[22:12] <AbbyTheRat> providing you're working with a well commented codes
[22:13] <Raynerd> OK ...on a similar concept. If I`m already colouring in the blocks by setting them to 1 or 2 (to give them a colour) - can I not just do a check, if block 1 or 2: false move
[22:13] <AbbyTheRat> I should mention a few tips, try and follow the same style as the rest of the codes and add comments to your coding so that it help you learn even more and it'll stick in memory :)
[22:13] <AbbyTheRat> could do that, Raynerd :)
[22:13] <AbbyTheRat> I'm guessing 1 is one colour for not selected
[22:13] <AbbyTheRat> and 2 is selected colour?
[22:14] <Raynerd> no - 1 is red and 2 is green.
[22:14] <AbbyTheRat> ok, flip my answer then :P
[22:14] <AbbyTheRat> or are you talkig about something else?
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[22:14] <Raynerd> I`m looking in my code, still can`t see where to do the check
[22:15] <AbbyTheRat> I'm guessing - mouse button down event
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[22:17] <Raynerd> if grid[row][column] == 1 or 2
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[22:23] <AbbyTheRat> I say under "if playerTurn == 1"
[22:24] <AbbyTheRat> under "elif event.type == pygame.MOUSEBUTTONDOWN:"
[22:24] <Raynerd> http://pastie.org/8959901
[22:24] <Raynerd> It didnt like what I just did! Won`t allow me to make any move!
[22:25] <AbbyTheRat> each move is invalid?
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[22:25] <Raynerd> yes... ALL moves
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[22:26] <AbbyTheRat> try print "invalid move - grid is already set to ", grid[row][column]
[22:27] <AbbyTheRat> that way you can see what the actual value is
[22:27] <rikkib> Raynerd, Did you get the instruction I sent from paypal?
[22:27] <Raynerd> rikkib - hi mate. Yes, I`ve ordered your sensor, I just need to claim your cash :-)
[22:28] <rikkib> Just add the currency (NZD) and it should go through.
[22:29] <AbbyTheRat> I think I have a good idea why it's not working but I want to show you how to debug your codes, Raynerd
[22:29] <Raynerd> AbbyTheRat - The cell is set to 0 !! not one or two so something is wrong with the statement
[22:29] <AbbyTheRat> bingo, so what's wrong with the statement?
[22:30] <AbbyTheRat> want me to read out the if statement out in english so you can see the problem?
[22:30] <rikkib> Raynerd, Do you have anything to measure wind direction. I am working on a home made one using a electronic compass, mc9s08 and nRF24.
[22:31] <Raynerd> AbbyTheRat - I can`t see what is wrong :-( but cheated and said if > 0 and it now works
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[22:31] <AbbyTheRat> haha
[22:32] <Raynerd> but I`m keen to know why if == 1 or 2 didnt work!
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[22:32] <rikkib> I have the S08 and nRF24 taling to a RPi
[22:32] <rikkib> Talking
[22:32] <AbbyTheRat> Okie, Raynerd, let me read it out for you how it is in english
[22:32] <AbbyTheRat> if this grid I got is equal to one
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[22:32] <AbbyTheRat> or if 2
[22:33] <Raynerd> :-S ?
[22:33] <AbbyTheRat> read it carefully, if this grid I have is equal to 1 or if 2
[22:33] <rikkib> if ((x == 1) || (x == 2))
[22:33] <Raynerd> rikkib - I`m counting the revs directly on the pi
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[22:34] <AbbyTheRat> shush!!
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[22:34] <AbbyTheRat> I was giving him a chance to figure out himself! XD
[22:34] <Raynerd> No!!! That looks correct!!!!!! :-(
[22:34] <Raynerd> if the cell is 1 or 2 print and ignore the move
[22:34] <AbbyTheRat> ok.. seperate the statement seperately
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[22:34] <AbbyTheRat> one before if and one after if
[22:34] <rikkib> Raynerd, Wind direction I am talking about.
[22:35] <AbbyTheRat> let say I decided I want to ignore the first part of the or statement and took that out
[22:35] <Raynerd> rikkib - No,i`m not doing direction with the school stations.
[22:35] <AbbyTheRat> what would the last part read as?
[22:35] <AbbyTheRat> if 2, right?
[22:35] <Raynerd> if the grid is equal to 2!
[22:35] <Raynerd> yes
[22:35] <AbbyTheRat> nope
[22:36] <AbbyTheRat> it reads "if 2
[22:36] <AbbyTheRat> the first part read if grid is equal to 1
[22:36] <AbbyTheRat> but the second part if 2
[22:36] <Raynerd> AHHH!
[22:36] <Raynerd> ooops
[22:36] <rikkib> Raynerd, Once I get something going I will let you know.
[22:36] <Raynerd> please... that would be good!
[22:36] <AbbyTheRat> you didn't tell the computer what you're comparing 2 to :)
[22:36] <AbbyTheRat> so if 2 is always true
[22:37] <AbbyTheRat> cause it's greater then 0
[22:37] <Raynerd> yes!
[22:37] <AbbyTheRat> (anything not 0 is true)
[22:37] <Raynerd> :-9 head hung in shame
[22:37] <AbbyTheRat> it's ok! A lot of us made mistakes like that!
[22:37] <AbbyTheRat> For real
[22:37] <Raynerd> that said, now it is working but I`ve killed the function of 4 goes per player
[22:38] <AbbyTheRat> now you understand why your change works as well :)
[22:38] <AbbyTheRat> you want to count invalid move as a move?
[22:39] <AbbyTheRat> or give them another chance to go again?
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[22:40] <Raynerd> Ooops! I see my error. Typo.
[22:40] <Raynerd> No, I want to block it and allow them to continue
[22:40] <Raynerd> that works nicely
[22:41] <AbbyTheRat> ah, okie ^_^, you got it figured out anyway :)
[22:41] <Raynerd> Next one is the harder job of making sure the 4 are connected
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[22:42] <Raynerd> AbbyTheRat - each grid is made as grid[][]. how would I add up the two values of x and y
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[22:43] <AbbyTheRat> like as long as it's connected to a move they already made
[22:43] <AbbyTheRat> so up/down/left/right on any re done blocks?
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[22:43] <Raynerd> yes, of the last block they placed. So like an L would be fine
[22:43] <Raynerd> BUT
[22:44] <Raynerd> I do like the idea that someone suggested before of adding up the co-ordinates and just check the new co-ord has not increased by more than 1.
[22:44] <AbbyTheRat> that be my suggestion XD
[22:45] <AbbyTheRat> ok, looking at the code, the first thing you have to do is record the last known postion selected
[22:46] <Raynerd> ok, let me try this. I have a plan before I take more of your time. One sec
[22:47] <AbbyTheRat> kid asleep, I got time
[22:47] <AbbyTheRat> *mess with her newly up and running pi*
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[22:47] <AbbyTheRat> raspberry pi don't have a hostname to start with?
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[22:50] <Raynerd> is there a way to ignore a negative value.... like I don`t care if it is -1 or 1 or -2 or 2 ...I just want it as a positive value
[22:51] <AbbyTheRat> hmm
[22:51] <AbbyTheRat> why postive?
[22:51] <AbbyTheRat> let say the user is on 4,5 x,y on the grid
[22:51] <AbbyTheRat> if they moved left
[22:52] <AbbyTheRat> it be 3,5 (man the x/y thing is backwards on the grid)
[22:52] <AbbyTheRat> so they moved -1, 0
[22:53] <AbbyTheRat> (I think backward.. maybe it's me that's backward.. meh)
[22:53] <AbbyTheRat> that way if you want them to only be able to move in one direction, you can figure it out
[22:54] <AbbyTheRat> as to ignore a negative value and just treat is as postive
[22:54] <AbbyTheRat> not off the top of my head, I'm not familier with python but I'm sure there's a way
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[22:57] <Raynerd> I believe I`m talking about the absolute value
[22:57] <AbbyTheRat> absolute value of what?
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[22:58] <AbbyTheRat> you're talking about the grid?
[22:58] <Raynerd> the outcome of my sum. Let me keep going... think I`m getting there. Or I might be miles away. Who knows!
[22:58] <phelix> I am thinking about purchasing one of these. I want it only for setting it up to be an emulator for games. Is this possible to do?
[22:58] <AbbyTheRat> yeah, negivate value means that the player moved one way
[22:58] <AbbyTheRat> and postive mean they moved the opposite
[22:58] <Raynerd> abs(number)
[22:59] <AbbyTheRat> but I understand what you mean, you don't care about the direction
[22:59] <Raynerd> abs(-2) returns 2
[22:59] <AbbyTheRat> (so not that the number is negivate of postive)
[22:59] <Raynerd> abs(2) returns 2
[22:59] <AbbyTheRat> thanks for the info Raynerd! :)
[22:59] <AbbyTheRat> you're going beyond the Mistress! :D
[22:59] <phelix> basically what iam trying to figure out before i purchase this is. Once I get it setup and working properly. Can I connect it to a TV where it will only have access to a game controller. And with only the controller could you turn the unit on and get to load up a emulator and play games on it?
[23:00] * AbbyTheRat blinks at phelix
[23:00] <AbbyTheRat> Errrr
[23:00] <AbbyTheRat> you want the raspberry pi to register signals from yoru controller?
[23:00] <AbbyTheRat> your*
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[23:01] <AbbyTheRat> so you're talking about having the controller connected to your raspberry pi?
[23:01] <phelix> Well, I basically want it just for a game emulator so I can load a bunch of roms for different games like sega and SNES etc. And if once this was setup could I move it to a TV that only had a game controller and could it go from turning on to playing games with only the controller?
[23:01] <phelix> ya
[23:02] <AbbyTheRat> Don't quote me directly but I believe so. You would have the software load up on raspberry pi startup
[23:02] <phelix> So this thing is basically just a linux computer? No differently than if i had linux installed on a pc?
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[23:02] <AbbyTheRat> I'm sure someone will correct me later if I'm wrong (I'm new to raspberry pi)
[23:02] <AbbyTheRat> yes
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[23:03] <AbbyTheRat> so if you set the software to run automatically
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[23:03] <AbbyTheRat> then move it to TV, it should work with just a controller
[23:03] <phelix> Is there a single emulator that will play all different types of roms or do you have to run different programs to play different types of games or roms?
[23:03] <AbbyTheRat> Errr... *takes a look*
[23:04] <AbbyTheRat> I think I remember hearing there's an emulator that can handle a lot of roms
[23:05] <phelix> really. hmm
[23:05] <pksato> phelix: http://pimame.org/
[23:05] <AbbyTheRat> it's what a lot of software uses
[23:05] <AbbyTheRat> I mean .. gah I messed up
[23:05] <AbbyTheRat> thanks pksato, for coming to my rescue :)
[23:06] <phelix> sweet.. So I could set that to run on boot and with that program loaded it can all be controlled with a game controller?
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[23:07] <JoeSpanks> im looking for inspiration for my new pi project. can anybody share something like a resource list of ideas for projects? bonus points for included 'how-tos'
[23:07] <JoeSpanks> :)
[23:08] <AbbyTheRat> http://readwrite.com/2014/01/21/raspberry-pi-great-projects#awesm=~ozhjkJgBelgnUu JoeSpanks, based on a quick google on "things to do with raspberry pi"
[23:09] <JoeSpanks> thanks ive seen that too.
[23:10] <Raynerd> AbbyTheRat - I have an interesting outcome!
[23:10] <phelix> If I need a couple different emulators could the controller work like a mouse? Where I could use the joystick to move the mouse and then click on the icon with one of the buttons to load another emulator ?
[23:10] <Raynerd> I can`t select the connected cell! lol, exactly what I`m trying not to achieve!
[23:10] <AbbyTheRat> phelix, I believe so, you might need a second software to handle the input from a controller, and then pimame handle the roms :)
[23:10] <AbbyTheRat> pastie the code :)
[23:11] <AbbyTheRat> and I'll take another look see what changes you've made :)
[23:11] <AbbyTheRat> I think I Already have a good idea what the bug is too
[23:11] <phelix> ok, any ideas on a good controller to use for the system? Can it be wireless bluetooth or does it have to be usb controller plugged into the usb port?
[23:11] <AbbyTheRat> wireless bluetooth works but would need a USB dongle.. if I understand/remember things correctly :)
[23:12] <AbbyTheRat> as for a good controller, do a google search.. here.. let me do that for you
[23:13] <AbbyTheRat> you can use Xbox controller
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[23:13] <AbbyTheRat> PS3 controller
[23:13] <phelix> thats what it seems that most people are using.
[23:13] <phelix> been googling also
[23:13] <AbbyTheRat> SNES controller too
[23:14] <phelix> So do you think the raspberry pi would be hte best solution for me if I just want a system that basically lets me play a bunch of different types of games from multiple different systems?
[23:14] <AbbyTheRat> so you have an option for what controller you feel comfortable with, phelix
[23:15] <AbbyTheRat> phelix, the support for that is there but as for best solution.. I couldn't really say, I'm not experienced or knowledgable about that kind of things
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[23:15] <phelix> k, well thank you. I think that this may actually work perfectly for what I want, if I can get it configured properly before hand
[23:15] <AbbyTheRat> it be good if you want to build a case and having a small case and stuff
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[23:16] <AbbyTheRat> there maybe systems out there that's comes pre-configured. (Ouya comes to mind)
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[23:16] <JoeSpanks> AbbyTheRat, do you figure the raspberry pi can support an IRC server? there seems to be lots of mixed information about what kind of loads it could handle
[23:16] <AbbyTheRat> oh yeah, easily
[23:17] <AbbyTheRat> not sure how MUCH it can.. as in.. what's the limit in users
[23:17] <linguini> It appears I'll need to reinstall (pi won't boot; corrupt inode probable cause).
[23:17] <linguini> I wonder if I should use a more resilient file system this time...
[23:17] <AbbyTheRat> changes are, it be limited to bandwidth but again, I'm not knowledable in this area..... I only JUST got the pi today!
[23:17] <AbbyTheRat> my first one XD
[23:17] <AbbyTheRat> chances*
[23:18] <JoeSpanks> lol
[23:18] <JoeSpanks> does anybody have experience making a pi IRC server?
[23:18] <AbbyTheRat> worse come to worse, you could go for an advance setup and make a cluster of IRC servers
[23:18] <AbbyTheRat> with a loadbalancer
[23:19] <AbbyTheRat> IRC servers in general, I do have knowledge in :)
[23:19] <AbbyTheRat> and you have an option to what kind of IRC server you want :)
[23:19] <JoeSpanks> what are the options in th.at regard?
[23:20] <JoeSpanks> (i cant afford a cluster, as cheap as it would be)
[23:20] <AbbyTheRat> I don't think there's really much different (unless you pick an advance setup) to what you pick in the pi
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[23:20] <AbbyTheRat> start with 3 pi and then you could expand it when you need more users
[23:20] <JoeSpanks> oh you mean like unrealIRC vs IRCd vs HybridIRC etc?
[23:20] <AbbyTheRat> but anyway
[23:20] <AbbyTheRat> yes, JoeSpanks
[23:20] <JoeSpanks> oh ok
[23:20] <JoeSpanks> i guess im not picky
[23:21] <AbbyTheRat> pi is a linux box so you can install just about anything that would install on linux..mostly
[23:21] <AbbyTheRat> *shifty eyes*
[23:21] <JoeSpanks> it would be my first server, but i have an eggdrop bot that handles my help rooms and employee chat rooms, etc
[23:22] <ectospasm> yeah, they don't have a Windows kernel or OS X kernel that will run on ARM yet, do they?
[23:22] <ectospasm> They might have a FreeBSD kerne
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[23:22] <ectospasm> s/$/l/
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[23:23] <JoeSpanks> a freeBSD OS for pi?
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[23:29] <AbbyTheRat> possible
[23:29] <AbbyTheRat> *takes a look*
[23:30] <Raynerd> AbbyTheRat - you still about
[23:30] <Raynerd> yes you are :-)
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[23:30] <Encrypt> I've found something great for portable applications with a Raspberry Pi \o/
[23:30] <AbbyTheRat> JoeSpanks: https://wiki.freebsd.org/FreeBSD/arm/Raspberry%20Pi answer to your question :D
[23:30] <Encrypt> http://www.horizonfuelcellshop.com/europe/product/hydrofill/
[23:30] <Encrypt> It works with Hydrogen
[23:31] <JoeSpanks> oh i was wondering if thats what ectopasm thought my solution was
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[23:33] <Raynerd> http://pastie.org/8960032#22
[23:33] <AbbyTheRat> so what's the problem now?
[23:34] <Raynerd> All was going well..I went for a cup of tea, changed a line and now I keep getting invalid syntax on line 22. else:
[23:34] <AbbyTheRat> er, I think it's to do with the commented line above it
[23:35] <AbbyTheRat> give me a moment to read it all
[23:36] <Raynerd> OK, just deleted that comment line and still an error.
[23:36] <Raynerd> I also corrected the error a oldpositionCheck c to C
[23:36] <AbbyTheRat> I can see why you have a problem with the the result
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[23:37] <AbbyTheRat> also, why not do "validMove = abs(positionCheck - oldpositionCheck)
[23:37] <AbbyTheRat> then you don't have to enclose the validMove with abs each time
[23:38] <Raynerd> yes
[23:38] <Raynerd> OK, I see that.
[23:38] <Raynerd> Why the issue though/
[23:38] <AbbyTheRat> unless you want to keep the old value still
[23:39] <AbbyTheRat> you should flip the sum around
[23:39] <AbbyTheRat> I think, hang on
[23:39] <AbbyTheRat> I think you want to do old move - new move
[23:39] <AbbyTheRat> instead of new move from old move
[23:39] <AbbyTheRat> cause math
[23:40] <Raynerd> that has been working OK... it was ALL working!
[23:40] <Raynerd> I`m totally confused
[23:40] <AbbyTheRat> okie well, you don't care about the direction
[23:41] <AbbyTheRat> so it's not going to effect you either way
[23:41] <AbbyTheRat> but if you do, then yeah.. need to flip now for bug
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[23:42] <Raynerd> The only thing that didn`t work was if you selected an invalid square, it took that as the "old selection"... so I just shifted that line and it killed everything!
[23:42] <AbbyTheRat> yeah I'm looking at it
[23:42] <Raynerd> I thought I`d put it back and now I just keep getting syntax error with else:
[23:42] <Raynerd> which was working fine!
[23:43] <AbbyTheRat> oh
[23:43] <AbbyTheRat> I finally see it :)
[23:43] <AbbyTheRat> look at line 20
[23:43] <AbbyTheRat> compare it to line 25
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[23:44] <AbbyTheRat> Raynerd: ?
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[23:45] <Raynerd> one second
[23:45] <Raynerd> sorry
[23:45] <Raynerd> baby woke up
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[23:45] <AbbyTheRat> no worries :)
[23:45] <AbbyTheRat> mine did too
[23:46] <Raynerd> oooops!
[23:47] <AbbyTheRat> see it too?
[23:47] <AbbyTheRat> are you coding in notepad or something?
[23:47] <Raynerd> yes
[23:47] <Raynerd> leafpad
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[23:48] <AbbyTheRat> ah, I see
[23:48] <AbbyTheRat> doesn't do much syntax checking
[23:49] <Raynerd> is there anything I could use that is better for the pi
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[23:50] <shiftplusone> 'morning
[23:50] * ozzzy codes in nano or vi
[23:50] <ozzzy> [shrug]
[23:51] <Raynerd> good evening
[23:52] <Raynerd> vi?
[23:52] <JoeSpanks> i love using bluefish
[23:52] <shiftplusone> Raynerd, what did you break today?
[23:52] <Raynerd> haha ... I started using pygame :-)
[23:53] <shiftplusone> ah, nice.
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[23:57] <Raynerd> AbbyTheRat - you gone?
[23:57] <AbbyTheRat> am I?
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[23:58] <Raynerd> :-) I have one new issue.
[23:58] <AbbyTheRat> awesome, one step at a time, Raynerd :D
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[23:58] <AbbyTheRat> what's next?
[23:58] <Raynerd> On the very first selection, it takes the old position as 0.
[23:58] <Raynerd> which consequently means rather than anywhere on the entire board, you can only select 1,1
[23:59] <Raynerd> I do have a sloppy fix for this, but don`t know if there is a better way
[23:59] <AbbyTheRat> yep, so set it as None
[23:59] <AbbyTheRat> to start with
[23:59] <AbbyTheRat> and when you check do the check, to see if the value is None
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[23:59] <AbbyTheRat> or has an old move

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