#raspberrypi IRC Log


IRC Log for 2014-03-23

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[0:00] <AbbyTheRat> if none, just let the player select the move
[0:00] <AbbyTheRat> None is a good for "this value isn't set yet"
[0:00] <AbbyTheRat> in this case, it isn't until the player have selected their first move
[0:00] <Raynerd> You see I set it to 0 but old-new postion = 0 right before any move takes place
[0:00] <Raynerd> forcing you to select 1,1 first move
[0:01] <Raynerd> SO SO so.. based on what you have just said.
[0:01] <Raynerd> The only possible reason validMove = 0 is if new and old position are both zero, i,.e initialisation at the start of the game. So I can make that check
[0:02] <AbbyTheRat> that's also another way to do it :)
[0:02] <Joel> Is there a way to kick off a generic dialog in X on the pi?
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[0:03] <shiftplusone> xdialog?
[0:03] <Joel> shiftplusone, thanks, will google.
[0:03] <shiftplusone> this is for a bash script, right?
[0:03] <AbbyTheRat> anyway, shiftplusone - I can setup raspberry pi headless for first time setup or do I need to do everything connected to start with?
[0:04] <shiftplusone> AbbyTheRat, without NOOBS, you can go headless.
[0:04] <shiftplusone> even with NOOBS, but that requires a little extra work.
[0:04] <Raynerd> direct install yes
[0:04] <AbbyTheRat> ah, I got noobs XD
[0:05] <Raynerd> AbbyTheRat - what is the other way?
[0:05] <AbbyTheRat> cause I am a noobs :D
[0:05] <AbbyTheRat> setting old position as None to start with and checking for the value None
[0:05] <AbbyTheRat> if it's None then it means the player not moved at all
[0:06] <AbbyTheRat> but your way works as nice
[0:06] <Raynerd> yes, I`m just ending up with loads of embeded if statements.
[0:06] <AbbyTheRat> happens
[0:07] <Raynerd> AbbyTheRat - think I`m going to give up for the evening. Head is hurting and I can`t see where I`m going.
[0:07] <AbbyTheRat> no worries, sound like a plan
[0:07] <AbbyTheRat> attack at it with a fresh start
[0:07] <Raynerd> Thanks for the help. Time for an hour of Game of Thrones before bed :-)
[0:07] <shiftplusone> The best solution to complicated problems
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[0:08] <Raynerd> haha. with kids throwing breakfast everyone! Fresh = nighttime
[0:08] <AbbyTheRat> xD
[0:09] <AbbyTheRat> everywhere*
[0:09] <AbbyTheRat> I can tell you're tured, Raynerd and I know, I got a 22 month old right here
[0:09] <Raynerd> exactly! bed needed
[0:09] <AbbyTheRat> we're both sick with parvo currently
[0:10] <Raynerd> I have 14 month and 5 y/o - 6am get up I expect
[0:10] <AbbyTheRat> I'm lucky
[0:10] <AbbyTheRat> my kid a late sleeper now
[0:10] <AbbyTheRat> 8:30-9:00am
[0:10] <Raynerd> !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
[0:10] <Raynerd> Its my 5yo daughter that gets up and wakes my son up! Grrrr.
[0:11] <AbbyTheRat> anyway, go to bed!
[0:11] <AbbyTheRat> Dream sweet!
[0:11] <Raynerd> ha, gnight
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[0:24] <phelix> AbbyTheRat: http://blog.petrockblock.com/retropie/ think this is what I was looking for.
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[0:31] <AbbyTheRat> phelix: looks awesome :)
[0:31] <AbbyTheRat> good find, phelix
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[1:25] <olalonde> weird
[1:25] <olalonde> my rasp always boots in safe mode
[1:25] <shiftplusone> try adding a boot delay in config.txt
[1:25] <shiftplusone> or just force disable safe mode there.
[1:31] <olalonde> it's not a problem with my SD card it works fine on another RPi
[1:31] <olalonde> ok
[1:31] <olalonde> I tried this before but i think it may be a hardwarre problem
[1:31] <olalonde> because i tried the SD card on another same model RPi and it works fine
[1:33] <[Saint]> can't think of a HW problem that would mask itself as bridged pins on the GPIO header
[1:34] <[Saint]> assuming that's the case: "that 'aint good, yo".
[1:34] <shiftplusone> No, it's a firmware issue with certain pis
[1:34] <shiftplusone> It's a relatively old one, isn't it?
[1:34] <[Saint]> I seem to recall reading about this somewhere now you mention it, yes.
[1:36] <olalonde> "as bridged pins on the GPIO header" how would i see that?
[1:36] <olalonde> it's an old PI but i ordered another pi at the same time and the other one works ok
[1:36] <shiftplusone> yeah, well known 'issue'
[1:36] <[Saint]> You wouldn't see it, as its nigh on impossible. That was my point.
[1:37] <[Saint]> It was a backwards way of pointing out that its almost certainly not HW.
[1:37] <olalonde> ah i should also mention that it used to boot correctly in the past
[1:37] <olalonde> according to my friend
[1:37] <[Saint]> Who would have no reason to lie ;)
[1:38] <shiftplusone> yeah, none of that is relevant, just disable safe mode and forget it happened. IIRC, if you need safe mode, you can add a boot delay to get around the issue as well. Or use ancient firmware maybe.
[1:38] <olalonde> well, yeah he gave it for free
[1:39] <oldtopman> shiftplusone: What's safe mode, and where's the info on it?
[1:39] <[Saint]> Google can answer both those questions.
[1:39] <shiftplusone> oldtopman, it's the emergency kernel which you can boot by shorting two GPIO pins. http://www.raspberrypi.org/forum/viewtopic.php?f=29&t=12007 http://elinux.org/RPI_safe_mode
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[1:40] <shiftplusone> (in case you mess up config.txt or something)
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[1:44] <shiftplusone> However, due to the gpio switch between rev1 and rev2 boards, the firmware may mistake a rev2 board for a rev1 board and think the pin is low when it isn't.
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[1:47] <olalonde> ok weird
[1:47] <oldtopman> shiftplusone: Interesting - haven't heard of that.
[1:50] <shiftplusone> yeah, it's not a common issue and safe mode isn't something mortals use.
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[1:51] <olalonde> ok, im pretty sure there's a hardware problem with my GPIO port
[1:51] <olalonde> guess I'll just buy a new one
[1:51] <olalonde> to run those pretty miners
[1:51] <olalonde> haha
[1:51] <shiftplusone> or you can just do what I said and disable safe mode.
[1:52] <olalonde> i did boots fine
[1:52] <olalonde> miners undetected
[1:52] <shiftplusone> ah
[1:52] <olalonde> as i tried before
[1:53] <olalonde> there's probably a short circuit somewhere
[1:54] <shiftplusone> unlikely
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[1:57] <shiftplusone> Oh, hurray... GOG is going to support Linux =)
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[1:57] * [Saint] wonders why people don't mine on real hardware
[1:57] <ShorTie> GOG ??
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[1:58] <[Saint]> y'know, hardware that actually stands a chance of making a profit before you die.
[1:58] <K-77> Good Old Games
[1:58] <K-77> part of the company that made Witcher actually
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[1:58] <ShorTie> oh, thankz
[1:58] <shiftplusone> ShorTie, http://www.gog.com (they sell old dos and scummvm games as well as new DRM-free games)
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[1:59] <plugwash> [Saint], nowadays most serious mining is done with ASICs, the host computer (be it a Pi or otherwise) doesn't really have to do much
[1:59] <K-77> they made them fit newer systems not always thru dosbox or scummvm
[1:59] <ShorTie> never been much of a gamer .. :/~
[1:59] <[Saint]> plugwash: but the total throughput on the pi is *awful*.
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[1:59] <shiftplusone> but given that their dos games actually run inside dosbox, I bet that's all they are going to support on linux to start with anyway
[1:59] <[Saint]> its a poor candidate considering all the other low cost boards out there.
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[2:00] <shiftplusone> ShorTie, What, not even back in the day?
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[2:03] <ShorTie> not even pong
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[2:04] <shiftplusone> You must be a very productive individual =)
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[2:05] <ShorTie> at times, the repetitive stuff i get board with
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[2:06] <ShorTie> if i gotta do it more then 2 or 3 times, i'm lookin for a way to fix it, lol.
[2:06] <shiftplusone> heh
[2:08] <[Saint]> start shuffling cards then.
[2:08] <[Saint]> you'll never get bored of that. statistically, you'll never repeat the same actions in a lifetime.
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[2:09] <ShorTie> but they fling everywhere, then it becomes 52 pickup
[2:10] <olalonde> shiftplusone: i have 2 PIs same production batch… one boots fine and the other one boots to safe mode (and used to boot normally before).. what else could it be if not a hardware problem?
[2:11] <[Saint]> same image on both?
[2:11] <shiftplusone> and how do you know it's the same batch (ordering and receiving them at the same time doesn't count). Do they both report the same revision in cpuinfo?
[2:12] <[Saint]> have you checked cpuinfo as well?
[2:12] <[Saint]> ahhh...c'mon.
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[2:12] <[Saint]> /nick TooSlowGuy
[2:13] <[Saint]> bah.
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[2:15] <olalonde> [Saint]: yes, same SD card
[2:16] <[Saint]> And the second question?
[2:16] <olalonde> well can't know if it's same batch but anyways it doesn't really matter.. I think the more important point is that it used to boot correctly before
[2:16] <[Saint]> you most certainly can know that.
[2:16] <[Saint]> and, it does matter.
[2:17] <[Saint]> blowing off questions other though important enough to ask doesn't help you.
[2:17] <olalonde> ok let's forget about the other RPi for a moment and just consider that it used too boot correctly and now it doesn't :)
[2:17] <shiftplusone> firmware changes
[2:18] <[Saint]> You're forgetting the firmware changed.
[2:18] <[Saint]> lets forget what you think, and try answering the questions posed.
[2:18] <olalonde> ah ok. when does the update happen?
[2:18] <shiftplusone> always
[2:18] <olalonde> [Saint]: I don't have access to the other RPi at the moment
[2:18] <olalonde> probably not when it's shutdown?
[2:19] <shiftplusone> it's the same sd card and you never ran apt-get upgrade ?
[2:19] <olalonde> shiftplusone: yes
[2:19] <shiftplusone> and you never ran rpi-update?
[2:19] <olalonde> never
[2:19] * [Saint] finds that somewhat difficult to believe
[2:20] <shiftplusone> then it's magic.
[2:20] <[Saint]> But, this is irrelevant as there (apparently) no access to the device.
[2:20] <olalonde> or a hardware problem...
[2:20] <shiftplusone> more likely magic
[2:20] <[Saint]> Come back and poke us when you have it.
[2:20] <olalonde> [Saint]: you misunderstood. I have access to the RPi
[2:21] <shiftplusone> [Saint], I don't think we can really help here anyway. If it doesn't work, it doesn't work and it doesn't really matter to much what the problem is assigned to.
[2:21] <olalonde> [Saint]: I don't have access to the other one I tested my SD card with
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[2:21] <olalonde> yes anyways, I'm going to order another one
[2:21] <olalonde> i might have damaged the card
[2:23] <olalonde> rpi-update updates the firmware?
[2:23] <shiftplusone> among other things, yes.
[2:23] <olalonde> ok I'll try that see if it helps
[2:23] <shiftplusone> (to untested, bleeding edge firmware, which is not the best idea)
[2:24] <AbbyTheRat> they should stop testing the edge on themselves
[2:24] <AbbyTheRat> then it wouldn't be so bleeding
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[2:24] * ShorTie snickers
[2:24] <[Saint]> shiftplusone: I thought rpi-update pulled from head?
[2:24] <shiftplusone> O_o
[2:24] <AbbyTheRat> which ask the questions, if it's untested how can it be bleeding?
[2:25] <[Saint]> You need to specifically *tell* it you want git tip, no?
[2:25] <shiftplusone> [Saint], yeah it's not from 'next', but it's not much better
[2:25] <ShorTie> try a apt-get update/upgrade first though
[2:25] <olalonde> well at this point my RPi is good for the garbage so nothing much to lose
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[2:25] * plugwash would hope the foundation do at least some testing before pushing new firmware to github
[2:25] <shiftplusone> it's a bit like updating all your software every time there's a git commit in the dev branch (not good for a stable system)
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[2:26] <shiftplusone> Yeah, the foundation call it "cutting, but not quite bleeding, edge".
[2:26] <[Saint]> git head should be perfectly safe.
[2:26] * timatron|afk is now known as timatron
[2:26] <[Saint]> read: _should_.
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[2:27] <shiftplusone> and it normally is, I just don't think it's a good practice, unless you have specific reason to run the firmware (for example, to test new features not in the repo yet)
[2:27] <olalonde> or maybe i could use my multimeter to see if there's a bad contact with the gpio
[2:27] <AbbyTheRat> but anyway, since I got distracted, did anyone send any links on how to setup raspberry pi for the first time in headless with NOOBS?
[2:28] <shiftplusone> AbbyTheRat, oh, check the github page, it's there.
[2:28] <[Saint]> I use 'next' on raspbian and "raspi-firmware-current" (or whatever it is) on arch so I don't need to do anything out of the ordinary for my wireless dongles to work.
[2:28] <[Saint]> People put themselves through hell trying to get wireless working on these things when a new kernel does it all for 'em.
[2:28] <ShorTie> i don't think headless and NOOBS go together very well
[2:29] <shiftplusone> AbbyTheRat, https://github.com/raspberrypi/noobs#how-to-automatically-install-an-os
[2:29] <[Saint]> NOOBS is a mixed bag of bad idea all round if you ask me.
[2:29] * ShorTie concours
[2:29] <shiftplusone> AbbyTheRat, in a nutshell, delete all other distros and edit the flavours file to only have 1 flavour, then add silentinstall to the file it mentions.
[2:29] <AbbyTheRat> oh
[2:29] <AbbyTheRat> hmm
[2:30] <AbbyTheRat> well now, I guess I have to give it a head after all
[2:30] <shiftplusone> But it makes more sense to just install the raw image.
[2:30] <AbbyTheRat> no card reader
[2:30] <[Saint]> How that is any easier than "dd distro of choice to sd" is beyond me.
[2:30] <shiftplusone> oh then yeah.
[2:30] <[Saint]> Aha, yes. Indeed.
[2:30] <AbbyTheRat> which is why I spent the extra few dollars to have noobs
[2:30] <[Saint]> You...what?
[2:30] <[Saint]> Oy.
[2:30] <shiftplusone> AbbyTheRat, should've spent the few dollars on a reader XD
[2:31] <[Saint]> Buying sometime freely available is a bit of a new one on me.
[2:31] <[Saint]> Wanna buy some air? Goin' cheap.
[2:31] <AbbyTheRat> well I didn't know, I went off by the raspberry pi offical page
[2:31] <ShorTie> lol.
[2:31] <olalonde> makes sense if you have a shitty connection
[2:31] <AbbyTheRat> saying noobs is best for newbie
[2:32] <[Saint]> That is somewhat of a fallacy.
[2:32] <shiftplusone> olalonde, family friendly channel
[2:32] <[Saint]> (debateable)
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[2:32] <[Saint]> ...eeek, timing. Not the family friendly bit - that's not debateable at all.
[2:32] <olalonde> oops didn't know sh*tty is was not family friendly :o
[2:32] <[Saint]> NOOBS being "noob friendly" I meant.
[2:33] <[Saint]> olalonde: annnnnnd, you just violated the rules again.
[2:33] <AbbyTheRat> I went off the offical raspberry pi page
[2:33] <[Saint]> :)
[2:33] <AbbyTheRat> ssooo
[2:33] <shiftplusone> olalonde, again, read the rules /topic.
[2:33] <AbbyTheRat> olalonde, it's very very touchy, worse then any family friendly channel I've ever had ^_^.. basically even a fully filtered one is bad
[2:33] <olalonde> the rules are blocked by Great Firewall :(
[2:34] <AbbyTheRat> basically don't even type it out
[2:34] <olalonde> haha ok
[2:34] * [Saint] hands olalonde a VPN.
[2:34] <olalonde> i kind of suck at telling what's family friendly or not
[2:34] <olalonde> english is not native language
[2:35] <AbbyTheRat> olalonde - you're aware of what's cussing is?
[2:35] <ozzzy> well this is boring
[2:35] <shiftplusone> olalonde, I think you will find very few people who agree on what's family friendly and what's not, regardless of language or culture.
[2:35] <[Saint]> when its not your native language, I imagine its rather difficult, AbbyTheRat
[2:35] <AbbyTheRat> yeah but I agree with you, it's easy to figure out intent behind a word but not so much when it's an adjuctive to mean bad
[2:35] <AbbyTheRat> but anyway
[2:36] <AbbyTheRat> *hunting around for a spare keyboard and crap*
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[2:36] <ShorTie> and stuff
[2:36] <[Saint]> Hey hey now...family friendly channel AbbyTheRat ;)
[2:37] <shiftplusone> crap, hell, damn and so on are fine >_<
[2:37] <shiftplusone> and by so on I mean... that's probably about it. *sigh*
[2:38] <olalonde> I only know Americans don't like F and N words, don't know the other rules :P
[2:38] <ShorTie> i just don't understand the 2nd 1 is ok, but a thing of nature that every animal does daily is not
[2:38] <[Saint]> Fun, and Nice?
[2:38] <olalonde> haha
[2:38] <[Saint]> But that's what families are all about!
[2:38] <shiftplusone> Anyway, before people leave in droves at the silliness of it all... You can't use the keyboard and screen you're using right now?
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[2:39] <[Saint]> <3 Synergy
[2:40] <[Saint]> http://synergy-foss.org/
[2:40] <AbbyTheRat> screen is DVI
[2:40] <shiftplusone> Not much good for NOOBS
[2:40] <shiftplusone> if you get the key sequence right, no need for a screen >.>
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[2:40] <AbbyTheRat> I just stole the HDIM connection to my DVD into TV
[2:40] <AbbyTheRat> so I have display
[2:40] <AbbyTheRat> just need input now
[2:40] <shiftplusone> ah
[2:40] <olalonde> if anyone happens to be in Shenzhen, I'm giving away my RPi
[2:41] <AbbyTheRat> how come?
[2:41] <shiftplusone> damn.... I was there 2 years ago
[2:41] <[Saint]> Don't say that too loudly. That's a little too much freedom for Shenzen.
[2:41] <olalonde> AbbyTheRat: the GPIO port doesn't seem to work
[2:41] <Joel> I'm not super pi familiar, I ran rpi-update, now my machine no longer boots to X? Thoughts on how to change that?
[2:41] <AbbyTheRat> sucky
[2:41] <AbbyTheRat> sadly, I'm not in shenzen
[2:42] <ShorTie> dag, i was never there
[2:42] <AbbyTheRat> oh this is no good
[2:42] <AbbyTheRat> I can't see the screen from here
[2:42] <shiftplusone> Joel, rpi-update wouldn't do it, but you can run raspi-config to disable boot to x, or do it manually by disabling lightdm
[2:42] <AbbyTheRat> *sigggh*
[2:42] <olalonde> shiftplusone: traveling or work?
[2:42] <shiftplusone> olalonde, travelling.
[2:42] <olalonde> cool
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[2:43] <shiftplusone> My brother used to go to Guangzhou for business and ended up living there for a bit, so my ex and I decided to visit and then tour a bit of China.
[2:43] <Joel> shiftplusone, that's all that's changed, I just ran reboot.
[2:43] <Joel> shiftplusone, rpi-update ; reboot
[2:44] <shiftplusone> Joel, I believe you, but rpi-update doesn't do anything that could possibly enable lightdm.
[2:44] <[Saint]> Odd. Usually rpi-update results in a trashed /boot and inabilty to boot at all.
[2:44] <[Saint]> X dying is a little bit too specific.
[2:44] <shiftplusone> oh... sorry
[2:44] <shiftplusone> I misread
[2:44] <shiftplusone> I thought you said it boots to x when it shouldn't, rather than that it fails to boot to X
[2:44] <shiftplusone> yeah, that sounds like rpi-update alright.
[2:44] <Joel> [Saint], f. is it known for trashing the file system?
[2:45] <[Saint]> 'tis indeed.
[2:45] <ShorTie> try resetting it with raspi-config
[2:45] <ShorTie> to boot to desktop
[2:45] <shiftplusone> Best to pastebin xorg.log
[2:46] <AbbyTheRat> I'll get a card reader in the future
[2:46] <Joel> ShorTie, k, testing now.
[2:46] <AbbyTheRat> although thinking about it, I think my other half laptop has one
[2:47] <AbbyTheRat> that went well
[2:47] <AbbyTheRat> I messed up
[2:48] <AbbyTheRat> already
[2:48] <AbbyTheRat> now just boots to a blank screen, haha
[2:48] <AbbyTheRat> *goes to steal other half's laptop*
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[2:50] <Joel> I'm guessing this would be my issue: https://gist.github.com/jjshoe/87d1c4134d36b2495ed8
[2:51] <shiftplusone> I I recall correctly, no that's not an issue
[2:51] <shiftplusone> it's just something fbturbo spits out
[2:51] <Joel> The console is complaining "No protocol specifieD"
[2:52] <shiftplusone> I may be wrong. I don't remember which file fbturbo complains about
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[2:52] <shiftplusone> but it says "error: something about a file" and then works fine.
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[2:53] <Joel> it's a full disk
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[2:53] <shiftplusone> ah
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[2:54] <snaphuman> hello everybody!
[2:54] <shiftplusone> hello
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[2:54] <snaphuman> hello @shiftplushone:
[2:55] <snaphuman> Good to see a large community here in IRC :)
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[2:55] <[Saint]> Yeah, a whole 1 (edit: 2) people have talked to you now.
[2:55] <[Saint]> *Huge* community. :)
[2:55] <ozzzy> tough crowd
[2:56] <shiftplusone> heh
[2:56] <snaphuman> yea :[Saint]
[2:57] <shiftplusone> *sigh*.... can't find any good linux games to kill an hour on.
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[2:57] <[Saint]> AssaultCube
[2:58] <shiftplusone> nuh
[2:59] <snaphuman> Guys, i have a question, may be you can giveme an advise
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[3:00] <[Saint]> Pro tip: You need to ask the question first.
[3:01] <snaphuman> I have a rbpi model b, and after triying with raspbian or archlinux also noobs, buy It does not boot
[3:01] <snaphuman> yeah sorry
[3:01] <shiftplusone> snaphuman, just a red light without the ACT LED flashing at all?
[3:02] <snaphuman> the only led working is the pdw one
[3:02] <snaphuman> I have a 8GB class4 micro sd card
[3:03] <shiftplusone> pdw==red?
[3:03] <snaphuman> yes pwd==red
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[3:03] <Joel> shiftplusone, [Saint], 80M being sucked up by /root/.rpi-firmware. eww.
[3:04] <shiftplusone> snaphuman, if you unplug the power, then press the sd card against the board with your thumb (to ensure better contact), as you power it up, does the ACT LED flash at all?
[3:05] <[Saint]> Might be time for a new sdcard if ~80MB is a make it or break it type arrangement, Joel.
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[3:05] <snaphuman> yes, I ensured good contact in the board
[3:05] <shiftplusone> Joel, or.....*shameless plug* http://www.raspberrypi.org/phpBB3/viewtopic.php?f=66&t=72644
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[3:07] <shiftplusone> snaphuman, what's happening is that the pi can't read the firmware off the sd card. Than can be because the card is not prepared properly, because the contact with the card is bad, or because it's just an incompatible card (Gordon from the foundation claims that he has not come across such a thing and I believe him).
[3:08] <snaphuman> It seems to be something wrong with the type and size of my SD card, it works with a 4 GB card well
[3:08] <[Saint]> Yeah, I'm inclined to believe (until such time as I am presented with one to examine) that "incompatible sdcards" are a fallacy.
[3:08] <snaphuman> well
[3:08] <snaphuman> I prepared the sd card giving it Fat 32 format also
[3:09] <[Saint]> Ugh. NOOBs. Yay.
[3:09] <[Saint]> Have you tried using a raw image instead?
[3:09] <shiftplusone> I had a pi where some cards just would not work no matter what I did. Then I replaced the sd card slot and it started working... go figure.
[3:10] <snaphuman> [Saint] yes, I tried different raw images
[3:10] <snaphuman> also different versions of raspbian net installer
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[3:12] <snaphuman> May be I have to get another SD card from other fabricant as I see in this specification http://elinux.org/RPi_SD_cards
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[3:13] <[Saint]> All the sdcard info there on "working" and "non-working" cards is heresay.
[3:14] <shiftplusone> I thought you said heresy.... O_O
[3:14] <[Saint]> To this date I don't think anyone from the foundation has been presented with a *truly* incompatible sdcard. Just endless user failures.
[3:14] <shiftplusone> I, for one, blame the sd card slot.
[3:14] <[Saint]> (and legitimately broken cards that won't work anywhere, not just in the pi proper)
[3:14] <shiftplusone> (and the dd of=/dev/mmcblk0p1 thing people do)
[3:15] <[Saint]> But as far as I am concered "raspberrypi incompatible sdcards" are a non-thing.
[3:15] <[Saint]> Until such time as I am presented with one, I'll keep stating this.
[3:15] <[Saint]> Or, until such time as anyone manages to present one to someone, instead of just claiming it.
[3:16] <Xark> [Saint] I think the initial firmware/Linux had some issues, but they were resolved.
[3:16] <shiftplusone> or you can... withold judgement until presented with evidence, rather than jump to the opposite position >_<
[3:16] <[Saint]> Pffffffft. No fun in that. ;)
[3:16] <AbbyTheRat> okie, after deaing with my messup, raspbain is installed
[3:16] <AbbyTheRat> now to move onto next step
[3:17] <shiftplusone> world domination?
[3:17] <AbbyTheRat> that's several steps away yet
[3:17] <shiftplusone> oh
[3:17] <shiftplusone> take a nap?
[3:17] <AbbyTheRat> second step is, setting up remote
[3:17] <shiftplusone> ah
[3:17] <AbbyTheRat> and lesson learned, don't use NOOBS
[3:18] <AbbyTheRat> still using it, I figured out how I messed up and how to fix it
[3:18] <shiftplusone> There's nothing wrong with NOOBS.
[3:18] <shiftplusone> Having the recovery option and ability to edit config.txt and cmdline.txt is good. I don't see what the problem is, other than wasted space, which is not really an issue.
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[3:24] <Jeebiss> When using an EasyDriver through the gpio, should I connect my Pi's ground to my external power's ground?
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[3:25] <shiftplusone> do you have a schematic for this easydriver of yours?
[3:25] <Jeebiss> https://dlnmh9ip6v2uc.cloudfront.net/datasheets/Robotics/EasyDriver_v44.pdf
[3:26] <shiftplusone> Yeah, looks like it, unless I am missing something.
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[3:28] <Jeebiss> shiftplusone: alright, I'll add that jumper in
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[3:36] <shiftplusone> Jeebiss, did it blow up?
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[3:36] <Jeebiss> Everything seems intact
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[3:37] <shiftplusone> odd
[3:37] <shiftplusone> I mean... good.
[3:37] <Jeebiss> https://www.dropbox.com/s/a6907cri8yblnay/2014-03-22%2019.32.25.jpg
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[3:38] <shiftplusone> those are some meaty looking motors
[3:38] <Jeebiss> They will ideally be the motors for the wheels of a self balancing robot
[3:38] <shiftplusone> nice
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[3:39] <shiftplusone> and why are they on solder wick and solder rolls? =S
[3:39] <Jeebiss> if you look at the one on the right, you can see the circuit board hangs down over the edge
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[3:39] <Jeebiss> so they dont sit flat :(
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[3:40] <shiftplusone> ah
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[3:41] <Jeebiss> Think I should worry about pulling upwards of 0.5A through the ribbon cable I am using?
[3:41] <Jeebiss> I think its an old IDE cable
[3:42] <AbbyTheRat> I'm ssh'd in
[3:42] <AbbyTheRat> woo
[3:42] <AbbyTheRat> *plug tv*
[3:42] <AbbyTheRat> unplug*
[3:42] <AbbyTheRat> screw plugging cable back into dvd.. for now
[3:43] <shiftplusone> Jeebiss, I don't know, but I don't think it's a problem. You should be able to feel it heating up before anything happens.
[3:44] <Jeebiss> shiftplusone: thats kind of what i figured, i havent notice any heat
[3:44] <Jeebiss> noticed*
[3:45] <pksato> Jeebiss: eletricity flow over closed loop. battery + -> circuit -> battery -.
[3:47] <Joel> what is wolfram-engine used for?
[3:47] <shiftplusone> mathematica
[3:47] <pksato> And, I see only 4 wire connecting rpi and drivers, where is return line?
[3:47] <shiftplusone> (safe to remove and save half a gig)
[3:47] <Joel> ah good, there's an easy 422M to save.
[3:47] <shiftplusone> Joel, removing Java is another good decision.
[3:48] <Jeebiss> pksato: I added it after that picture, however it didnt seem necessary
[3:48] <Jeebiss> which is why I asked originally about combining the grounds
[3:49] <AbbyTheRat> keepass so awesome
[3:50] <shiftplusone> 'tis
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[3:50] <Jeebiss> anywho, i am off to bed
[3:50] <pksato> Jeebiss: Kirchhoff's circuit laws
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[3:50] <Joel> shiftplusone, I would if impress didn't need it :\
[3:50] <Joel> shiftplusone, any other large packages that can go?
[3:51] <shiftplusone> Joel, depends on your use case. Python and python-related packages take up a fair bit.
[3:51] <shiftplusone> Are you sure impress required java rather than just... uses it for some optional things?
[3:52] <Joel> shiftplusone, I suppose I can issue a remove, and see what it tries to take with it :)
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[3:53] <Joel> I'm doing a museum presentation setup, unlike the one common deal out there that does it, this just takes power points
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[3:53] <Joel> makes it a lot easier for the end users
[3:53] <[Saint]> Joel: considered using Arch?
[3:53] <Joel> [Saint], ?
[3:53] <[Saint]> Or raspbian netinst?
[3:54] <[Saint]> Its much easier to start from a minimal install than whittle a full install back to the bones.
[3:54] <Joel> Oh, totally agree, I'm working on a test bed pi.
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[3:54] <[Saint]> Add what you need, instead of removing what you don't. Etc.
[3:54] <Joel> it's got some huge ass sd card, but only 2gigs is partitioned away
[3:54] <shiftplusone> *ahem* http://xecdesign.com/minimal-raspbian-server-xfce-editions/
[3:54] <Joel> I just keep hitting the limit trying to get some stuff going
[3:55] * [Saint] looks at his tiny 32MB Arch/busybox/RAMdisk image
[3:55] <shiftplusone> custom made or can Arch be that small without removing essentials?
[3:56] <[Saint]> Custom made.
[3:56] <shiftplusone> ah
[3:56] <Joel> heh I saved 150MB just by removing a bunch of locale's I'll never need
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[3:57] <shiftplusone> apt-get clean might clear up some space
[3:57] <[Saint]> Arch is ~300MB from a default install IIRC.
[3:57] <Joel> yeah, it saved me a similar sized chunk
[3:57] <shiftplusone> sounds about right
[3:57] <[Saint]> autoclean, no?
[3:58] <[Saint]> (runs check too, iirc.)
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[3:58] <Joel> https://github.com/jjshoe/pi_presentation
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[4:09] <snaphuman> Ok. I finally booted archlinux in my pi :)
[4:09] <shiftplusone> how?
[4:09] <snaphuman> There was somethin grong with the micro sd card, so I had to use a different one
[4:10] <shiftplusone> same adapter?
[4:10] * [Saint] is putting his money on poor contacts
[4:10] <snaphuman> As I was using a micro sd card, there was someting wrong with the card adapter
[4:10] <[Saint]> perhaps said card is a hair to thin.
[4:11] <snaphuman> and I used a SD (no adapted needed)
[4:11] <shiftplusone> ah, you said micro, so I figured they were both micro.
[4:11] <snaphuman> yes is very delicated and the adapter can fail
[4:12] <snaphuman> no, the second card was just SD
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[4:13] <snaphuman> I thought that I messed up the micro SD after partitioning and formating several times
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[4:13] <[Saint]> Uuuuughhh. I knew it would be terrible. Why did I start watching this. They crammed all the best bits into the cinematic trailer to trick me.
[4:13] <[Saint]> re: Gravity
[4:14] <snaphuman> but later, after removing and putting it back to the card reader, the card has locked and my SO said input output error :EEE
[4:14] <shiftplusone> I thought it was alright once you get past the bits which don't make sense physically.
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[4:15] <[Saint]> ...all of it, then? ;)
[4:15] <snaphuman> finally, I tested a different SD card and the archlinux image booted fine
[4:16] <shiftplusone> bah.... still can't find any good linux games. Might need a fix of windows. =/
[4:16] <snaphuman> Guys, thanks for your help, now I'll go onto next step
[4:16] <snaphuman> have a dinner ;)
[4:17] <JoeSpanks> as a hobby astrophysicist, that film was offensive
[4:17] <shiftplusone> given that real astrophysicists and astronauts liked it, meh.
[4:17] <[Saint]> I switched off as soon as Stone's rate of spin started declining after the initial accident.
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[4:19] <JoeSpanks> for starters: http://www.theguardian.com/film/2013/oct/08/gravity-science-astrophysicist
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[4:19] <shiftplusone> I don't think anybody is going to argue that it was scientifically accurate.
[4:19] <JoeSpanks> i dno what real astrophysicists could suspend their disbeleif enough to suspend all they know to be real.....
[4:20] <shiftplusone> Note that the person they are quoting (Neil DeGrasse Tyson) liked the movie.
[4:20] <ozzzy> the same way Joe Palookas suspend belief to watch Rocky
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[4:20] <JoeSpanks> i guess im just not easily pleased lol
[4:21] <shiftplusone> Out of curiosity, what would you consider a good recent movie?
[4:21] <[Saint]> Tyson liked the movie...sure, but I think that enjoyment came mostly from pulling it apart.
[4:21] <ozzzy> I tend to skip all hollywood crap... I don't think they've made a good movie since the 50s
[4:21] <[Saint]> ...and then taking to twitter to rant about all the ways it doesn't stack up.
[4:21] <JoeSpanks> not many, ill admit. last one i saw and enjoyed i think was "all is lost"
[4:21] <shiftplusone> because I am only judging it compared to the stuff that's coming out.
[4:22] <[Saint]> shiftplusone: One one turns up, I'll let you know.
[4:22] <[Saint]> "good" films are a thing of the past.
[4:22] <AbbyTheRat> god, I'm such an idiot
[4:23] <shiftplusone> The last movie I thoroughly enjoyed and thought was an awesome movie was Contact, but I only watched it like a year ago, so it doesn't really count.
[4:23] <JoeSpanks> thats a good one
[4:23] <[Saint]> Oh....oh dear.
[4:23] <AbbyTheRat> I should see how to setup putty to auto send my password
[4:24] <ozzzy> I don't think I've ever seen an ssh client that would do that
[4:24] <AbbyTheRat> hmm
[4:24] <AbbyTheRat> true
[4:24] <AbbyTheRat> I'm lazy and it's a 20 char password
[4:24] <[Saint]> Contact? Seriously? Wow.
[4:24] <shiftplusone> If it can't be done in putty (I think it can), then you can force it by using ssh keys without a passphrase.
[4:24] <ozzzy> I use the same password for everything.... 1 2 3 4
[4:25] <[Saint]> I seriously hope you're joking, ozzzy
[4:25] <ozzzy> =)
[4:25] <AbbyTheRat> shiftplusone:
[4:25] <AbbyTheRat> I mean send the password when the raspberry pi request a password
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[4:26] <shiftplusone> /msg nickserv ghost ozzzy 1234
[4:26] <ozzzy> hehe
[4:26] <JoeSpanks> lol
[4:26] <AbbyTheRat> nope, shiftplusone, I copy/pasted it
[4:26] <AbbyTheRat> didn't work
[4:27] <AbbyTheRat> I'm slowly changing all my passwords
[4:27] <shiftplusone> Randomly generated keepass ones?
[4:27] <AbbyTheRat> so each account will have a unquie password
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[4:27] <AbbyTheRat> for now
[4:27] <[Saint]> If you haven't yet enabled 2-factor auth on *every service that offers it*, do it.
[4:27] <[Saint]> Do it now.
[4:28] <AbbyTheRat> I have for most services
[4:28] <shiftplusone> I went a bit overboard and did that a while back (along with 2factor authentication for everything that supported it).
[4:28] <AbbyTheRat> although one services didn't like my cell phone
[4:28] <AbbyTheRat> <_<
[4:28] <AbbyTheRat> refuse to send me a code
[4:28] <shiftplusone> so if I lose my keepass database... I am pretty much locked out of everything. =/
[4:28] <AbbyTheRat> like, it seem to be sending the code but I'm never getting it
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[4:29] <AbbyTheRat> same =/
[4:29] <AbbyTheRat> which reminds me
[4:29] <AbbyTheRat> time to back up the database
[4:29] <[Saint]> The idea that even if someone manages to get my (64 char random) password they still need the magic code from the phone I possess pleases me greatly.
[4:30] <[Saint]> Its also nice to know that in most cases I'll be alerted should anyone request a 2-factor key.
[4:30] <malfunct> two factor auth is a good thing
[4:31] <shiftplusone> It's a bit annoying when you have to use software that doesn't support it. (For example gmail with other clients)
[4:31] * AbbyTheRat also backs up her key too
[4:31] <[Saint]> A bit of a PITA for Android setup.
[4:31] <malfunct> yeah, you need to generate application specific passwords
[4:31] <AbbyTheRat> oh, gmail use a special app key, right?
[4:31] <[Saint]> "Hey, Google Account? Sure - log in"; "Ooops, nope. You can't. Log in again!"; "one more time, sorry"...there we go.
[4:31] <[Saint]> malfunct: ewwwww, God no.
[4:32] <[Saint]> Oh, actually, yes. On Ancient version of Android you do.
[4:32] <[Saint]> Time to upgrade.
[4:32] <AbbyTheRat> mhm
[4:32] <malfunct> also for other devices that weren't upgraded
[4:32] <[Saint]> Yeah, nuts to those.
[4:32] <AbbyTheRat> or don't support it for some reason or another
[4:32] <AbbyTheRat> like, fustratingly, my google calendar plugin
[4:32] <AbbyTheRat> into thunderbird
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[4:33] <[Saint]> The login flow for ICS+ w/ 2-factor is a *lot* better.
[4:34] <AbbyTheRat> mhm
[4:34] <[Saint]> ASP is terrible.
[4:34] <AbbyTheRat> hmm*
[4:34] <AbbyTheRat> *shrug* can't remember
[4:34] <AbbyTheRat> it's slow going thou
[4:34] <AbbyTheRat> so many other places I used my old password style
[4:37] <AbbyTheRat> but yeah.. one services just doesn't like my cell phone for whatever reason
[4:37] <AbbyTheRat> maybe there's a disagreement between cell networks or something
[4:37] <AbbyTheRat> and fustratingly, it's an important services too
[4:38] * [Saint] forgot about his number one "What the....awwwwwwwww, c'monnnnnnnn!" bit with Gravity
[4:38] <[Saint]> Clooney jumping into the capsule with Bullock.
[4:38] <AbbyTheRat> hmm, *trying to remember her linux command to refresh the DDNS lease
[4:38] <[Saint]> (exposing her to vacuum)
[4:41] <AbbyTheRat> I mean DHCP not DDNS.. wow.. what a fail
[4:44] <shiftplusone> I don't remember what the default is... dhcpcd or dhcpclient or whatever it's called. Type dhc<tab>
[4:44] <shiftplusone> *dhclient
[4:44] <AbbyTheRat> I kept messing with ifconfig, then I was thinking.. this can't be right
[4:44] <AbbyTheRat> too use to ipconfig, I Guess
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[4:45] <AbbyTheRat> dhclient
[4:45] <shiftplusone> I think it's dhclient, but I don't see an option to get a new lease there =/
[4:45] <AbbyTheRat> then I guess I just reboot it
[4:46] <shiftplusone> there's google
[4:46] <shiftplusone> dhclient -r -v eth0 && rm /var/lib/dhcp/dhclient.* ; dhclient -v eth0
[4:47] <AbbyTheRat> there we go, reboot worked fine
[4:47] <AbbyTheRat> sudo reboot so more simple >_>
[4:47] <AbbyTheRat> english so more fail
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[4:51] <AbbyTheRat> there, raspberry pi has a fixed ip address via dchp. I'm happy with that
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[4:53] <malfunct> I am glad that my router has sticky ips
[4:53] <[Saint]> DHCP reservation is handy, yes.
[4:54] <AbbyTheRat> sticky ips = DHCP reservation?
[4:54] <malfunct> a bug in the router makes it so the screen that shows attached devices has nothing in the tables ever
[4:54] <AbbyTheRat> I've never heard the term sticky ips before
[4:54] <malfunct> I didn't use a technical term :)
[4:54] <malfunct> it just means the same mac address gets the same ip if it is available
[4:55] <AbbyTheRat> chances are, I would of heard the technical term xD
[4:55] <AbbyTheRat> yes.. DHCP reservation o_o;
[4:55] <malfunct> probably :) but I am just hacking around on my own so I don't necessarily know technical terms
[4:55] <AbbyTheRat> I manage my own network XD
[4:55] <AbbyTheRat> I got a few reservations already
[4:56] <AbbyTheRat> first 10 ip set aside for reserved ips, then ip to 100 up for leases
[4:56] <AbbyTheRat> more then enough for this small network :)
[4:56] <AbbyTheRat> than*?
[4:57] <[Saint]> Than, yes.
[4:57] <[Saint]> then/than misplacement is a pet peeve of mine. :)
[4:57] <AbbyTheRat> I'm improving myself on that
[4:58] <AbbyTheRat> also working on there/their/they're and I don't mix up your/you're anymore
[4:58] <AbbyTheRat> but if I mess up, please, feel free to pick me up on it
[4:58] <AbbyTheRat> I do the same to others so I expect the same for myself
[4:58] <AbbyTheRat> to myself*
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[5:00] <AbbyTheRat> anyway I'm going to bed now
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[5:00] <AbbyTheRat> goodnight everyone
[5:00] <shiftplusone> 'night
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[5:32] <shiftplusone> Ah linux... by the time something is stable enough for everyday use and all the problems are ironed out, it's replaced with something buggy that's going to be way better when it's done. =/
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[10:24] <strk> is raspberry wheezy supposed to automatically configure the network card? I'm trying to find it on the LAN with no luck (no video device available to tell what's going on)
[10:25] <ShorTie> ya, should
[10:25] <DoctorD90> ssh only?
[10:25] <shiftplusone> you can't view the leases on your router?
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[10:27] <strk> will it use dhcp?
[10:27] <shiftplusone> yes
[10:27] <DoctorD90> better
[10:27] <DoctorD90> easier
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[10:27] <DoctorD90> if i can say that: search on google 'learn adafruit lesson ssh'
[10:28] <strk> from the router I can only see the MAC, not the IP
[10:28] <DoctorD90> it wil explain step by step all that you have to do :)
[10:28] <ShorTie> can you set a static ip using the mac in the router then ??
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[10:41] <strk> ShorTie: no, I can't
[10:41] <strk> nobody responds anymore to broadcasts nowdays uh ?
[10:42] <ShorTie> bummer
[10:42] <DoctorD90> ??? strk, i tell you...follow guide...it helps you
[10:43] <ShorTie> you runnin linux at all on any pc ??
[10:43] <strk> DoctorD90: I'm reading http://learn.adafruit.com/adafruits-raspberry-pi-lesson-2-first-time-configuration but it assumes you have a display
[10:43] <strk> ShorTie: on all the ones of the LAN (5)
[10:43] <DoctorD90> ....
[10:44] <DoctorD90> go on
[10:44] <strk> maybe I should boot in another with the SD card and configure from there
[10:44] <DoctorD90> it is there a lesson without screen and setting up network
[10:45] <DoctorD90> maybe it isnt in 'ssh' lesson...go to next lessons ;) you will find ;)
[10:46] <ShorTie> you could use nmap to atleast see who is connected, nmap -sP 192.168.x.*
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[10:48] <strk> I should probably also reduce the complexity of the setup, as thewireless connection is via an ethernet adapter (small ASUS appliance)
[10:48] <ShorTie> oh, this is wireless ??
[10:49] <ShorTie> wireless needs extra steps to work which require a keyboard and mouse
[10:50] <strk> well, the rpi would think it's ethernet
[10:50] <strk> the appliance takes care (supposedly) of the wireless
[10:50] <ShorTie> nop
[10:50] <strk> asus AP WL 330
[10:51] <ShorTie> doesn't matter brand, it's the essid that needs to be inputted atleast
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[10:52] <strk> uhm
[10:52] <ShorTie> if you can hook up a wire, then you can configure the wireless
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[10:52] <strk> first and only password-free AP is not enough eh?
[10:53] <ShorTie> but wireless like does not work at first
[10:53] <strk> sounds like a good idea, let's move it
[10:53] <ShorTie> even password free, you still need essid
[10:55] * strk is spoiled by network managers...
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[10:57] <strk> I'm in, thanks :) Linux raspberrypi 3.6.11+ #538 PREEMPT Fri Aug 30 20:42:08 BST 2013 armv6l
[10:57] <strk> hadn't found an use for it yet.wanted to try HTPC but no video ain't fun for a tv :>
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[11:02] <chunkyhead> what all would i require to ssh into my rpi over the internet? also i have several computer running linux. so when i say eg ssh user@ipaddr, ipadd for all systems would be the same. how will it ssh only into the rpi?
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[11:06] <strk> chunkyhead: what do you mean ipadd for all systems would be the same ?
[11:07] <strk> are you behind a NAT firewall_
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[11:08] <strk> uhm, Failed to fetch http://mirrordirector.raspbian.org/raspbian/pool/main/p/pyopenssl/python-openssl_0.13-2+rpi1_armhf.deb 404 Not Found
[11:08] <strk> wheezy is too old already ?
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[11:09] <ShorTie> have you done a apt-get update and upgrade ??
[11:10] <strk> doing now
[11:10] <ShorTie> the version might have rolled
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[11:11] <ShorTie> chunkyhead, portforwarding
[11:12] <ShorTie> just forward port 22 to the rPi
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[12:03] <CDR`> Anyone know of any software that would email me a note or something in the future? Kind of like a calendar that would email reminders rather than me having to check a screen daily?
[12:06] * SpeedEvil hides his TARDIS.
[12:06] <SpeedEvil> cron?
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[12:06] <SpeedEvil> Can't google calendar do that?
[12:07] <CDR`> I'm sat googling, just reading about Google Calender from this page; http://hackaday.com/2013/12/15/raspberry-pi-wall-calendar/
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[12:09] <DoctorD90> SpeedEvil: lol
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[12:21] <Fluubi> hi
[12:22] <Fluubi> My pi is shutting down by herself ? any idea why ?
[12:22] <Fluubi> it s bootin then shutting down
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[12:25] <SpeedEvil> Fluubi: Is there an elephant sitting on it?
[12:25] <Fluubi> Not for now no
[12:26] <SpeedEvil> What p[ower supply are you using?
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[12:28] <Fluubi> 5V 1A pi PSU
[12:29] <Fluubi> It made a long time to boot and to get the red light
[12:29] <Fluubi> then it flickered
[12:29] <Fluubi> it booted
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[12:30] <Fluubi> then went off then booted again and it did not fail again for the last 3 min
[12:30] <CDR`> Have you got any USB devices plugged in also? Have you tried without any USB connected?
[12:30] <Fluubi> i have a wifi dongle
[12:30] <[SLB]> ^
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[12:31] <Fluubi> and a wired keyboard (that i need for typinng password)
[12:31] <CDR`> You dont need the dongle and keyboard to see if it boots or turns off
[12:31] <CDR`> first step is to keep it powered on :)
[12:31] <CDR`> Your dongle is probably drawing too much power and needs its own powered usb hub
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[12:31] <CDR`> a keyboard is only 500ma or something I think
[12:31] <Fluubi> :(
[12:32] <Fluubi> that s really sad about the dongle
[12:32] <CDR`> Can you try it now without the dongle whilst we are here?
[12:32] <Fluubi> yes
[12:32] <CDR`> What make/model is the dongle, maybe google will tell us the power draw
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[12:33] <Fluubi> Edimax EW-7811Un
[12:33] <CDR`> Ahh I have the same, and experianced the asme
[12:34] <CDR`> now its in a D-Link Hub7 or something, been fine since
[12:34] <hideo> uh, i have the same edimax dongle, never had any issues
[12:34] <ShorTie> 500ma keyboard will kill the rPi
[12:34] <chunkyhead> ShorTie: i use a modem which is connected to a wi-fi router. do i need to forward the same port on both the devices to rpi or just doing it on the router would do?
[12:34] <Fluubi> :/ could it also be the cause that i get disconnected from network?
[12:35] <ShorTie> it only has a 700ma poly fuse
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[12:35] <Fluubi> It worked before
[12:35] <Fluubi> with both the keybard and the wifi dongle
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[12:35] <Fluubi> And i found that i cant ss without typing the password directly from the pi with a keyboard
[12:36] <Fluubi> ssh*
[12:36] <ShorTie> chunkyhead, you need to start at the router
[12:36] <CDR`> Isn't there an option in raspi-config to bypass the password?
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[12:36] <chunkyhead> ShorTie: and then?
[12:37] <nStensen> the modem
[12:37] <ShorTie> see if it works, but best to set a static ip for the rPi at the router will in there
[12:38] <chunkyhead> is there a wiki or something i can refer?
[12:38] <chunkyhead> that would make the job much easier and help me understand a lot of things
[12:38] <nStensen> http://portforward.com/english/routers/port_forwarding/
[12:38] <chunkyhead> also is mosh preferable?
[12:38] <chunkyhead> over ssh
[12:38] <ShorTie> best you can do is google your router and go from there, because they are all different
[12:39] <chunkyhead> let me have a look nStensen
[12:39] <chunkyhead> alright
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[12:39] <ShorTie> what brand/model router if i may ask ??
[12:40] <chunkyhead> asus rt n10e
[12:41] <ShorTie> google says, http://support.asus.com/FAQ/detail.aspx?SLanguage=en&m=RT-N16&no=2B929032-931F-E44D-AF33-1D3C132A08FA
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[12:42] <chunkyhead> actually i find the portforward.com more convinient. anyway what's your take on mosh?
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[12:43] <ShorTie> mosh, is that like you do to potatoes with your fork ??
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[12:43] <ShorTie> oh, thats mash
[12:43] <Fluubi> do you kno where can i find the option to be able to oog fron ssh zithout having to plug a keyboard§
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[12:43] <chunkyhead> ShorTie: err, no :p http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mosh_%28software%29
[12:44] <chunkyhead> ShorTie: it basically supports mobility
[12:44] <ShorTie> i use putty
[12:44] <ShorTie> there are many ssh clients out there
[12:45] <chunkyhead> ShorTie: mosh is not an ssh client. it is an alternative.
[12:45] <Fluubi> i use putty too
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[12:45] <chunkyhead> if you change your cellphone towers, a new IP is assigned to you and your ssh breaks. mosh doesnt
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[12:45] <chunkyhead> I only came across it a few days back.
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[12:45] <chunkyhead> check this out: http://www.linuxscrew.com/2012/04/11/why-mosh-is-better-than-ssh/
[12:46] <ShorTie> 'to run a remote terminal', that is ssh
[12:47] <ShorTie> i can go 4-5 days without leaving my property, so mobil is not much of an issue for me .. :/~
[12:48] <Fluubi> boot_enable_ssh.rc i need to find this
[12:48] <chunkyhead> ShorTie: i am just exploring. :)
[12:48] <ShorTie> Fluubi, i didn't really understand your ? earlier
[12:48] <hideo> Fluubi: by default, raspbian should have ssh enable upon boot
[12:49] <hideo> i've used my pi since day 1 w/o any external keyboard or monitor
[12:49] <hideo> i setup the whole thing over lan and ssh
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[12:50] <Fluubi> sorry i an trying to ssh to the pi without having to plug a keyboard each tine; it appears that it is not enabled on ny pi
[12:51] <ShorTie> are you using a wired connection or wifi ??
[12:51] <Fluubi> wifi
[12:51] <ShorTie> see, that is the problem
[12:52] <ShorTie> wifi doesn't work from the get go
[12:52] <ShorTie> need to start with wired then move onto wifi once setup
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[12:52] <Fluubi> ooow
[12:53] <hideo> what's the point of ssh if you connect directly with a keyboard
[12:53] <Fluubi> sudo mv /boot/boot_enable_ssh.rc /boot/boot.rc i try this
[12:54] <Fluubi> thats ny problen i want to get rid of the keybard
[12:54] <hideo> then connect a lan cable, ssh in, setup wifi properly, then ssh in over wifi
[12:55] <ShorTie> if you have a keyboard/monitor you can setup wicd to get wifi working on boot
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[12:55] <Fluubi> i can ssh via wifi already
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[12:56] <hideo> sense... you do not make
[12:56] <ShorTie> ok, me cornfused
[12:56] <Fluubi> only thing is that i need to plug a keyboard each ti,e i boot the pi
[12:56] <ShorTie> ok, so setup wicd then
[12:56] <Fluubi> to type password
[12:56] <Fluubi> only after i can ssh
[12:57] <ShorTie> wicd will take care of that, or put it into /etc/network/interfaces
[12:57] <hideo> what do you type the password into?
[12:58] <ShorTie> the wifi password i would think
[12:58] <hideo> X? raspbian login? Your wifi router?
[12:58] <Fluubi> raspbian log in
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[12:58] <Fluubi> then i can ssh
[12:59] <hideo> i don't understand, take a vid and post on youtube or something
[12:59] <hideo> being able to explain your problems is a skill sorely needed
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[12:59] <Fluubi> okay i unplugged my keyboard to the pi so now i can write
[12:59] <Fluubi> i want to be able to connect through ss directly from the pi
[13:00] <Fluubi> without having to plug a wired keybaord each time at boot
[13:00] <Fluubi> to type debian login and password
[13:00] <Fluubi> i think my ssh is not enabled until give my my debain ids
[13:00] <Fluubi> What i need to do everytime by plugging a keybard
[13:01] <Fluubi> to type my password at boot
[13:01] <Fluubi> the debian password
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[13:01] <Fluubi> step 1 : boot pi step 2 : type password and login on key board step 3: connect to ssh with another computer
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[13:01] <Fluubi> I want to get rid of step 2
[13:02] <Fluubi> Say to my pi "if i ever boot you dont wait for my debian log in/password in order to let people connect with ssh
[13:03] <Fluubi> There must be some config files saying enable ss without physical login : false
[13:04] <ShorTie> just loging in to a cli shell would not do anything to get wifi to work as far as i know of
[13:04] <Fluubi> logging to a cli cell ??
[13:04] <Fluubi> No one can ssh direclty from boot without having to log in ?
[13:05] <ShorTie> command line interface
[13:05] <hideo> what do you do, after you connect the keyboard and login?
[13:05] <hideo> do you type anything else after that?
[13:05] <Fluubi> i open putty and connect to my pi
[13:06] <Fluubi> on my other computer
[13:06] <ShorTie> i have static asigned ip address into my router, i can reimage the card and ssh into any time without any modify of the image on the sdcard
[13:06] <hideo> you are using a standard raspbian install correct?
[13:06] <Fluubi> http://raspberrypi.stackexchange.com/questions/1747/starting-ssh-automatically-at-boot-time this is my issue
[13:06] <Fluubi> Yes correct
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[13:07] <hideo> that was written in 2012
[13:07] <ShorTie> Fluubi, have gone into raspi-config and double checked that ssh on boot is enabled ??
[13:07] <Fluubi> still my issue
[13:07] <hideo> you don't need to mv anything in the latest version of raspbian
[13:07] <ShorTie> it normally is now
[13:07] <Fluubi> i dont see ssh in boot on raspui config :s
[13:08] <Fluubi> only ssh enabling in advanced options
[13:08] <hideo> you probably screwed soemthing up, are you still using 2012 version of raspbian?
[13:08] <ShorTie> yup, that is it
[13:08] <Fluubi> mno i use a recent debian
[13:08] <Fluubi> thanks for your help i ll try some stuff and will come back later
[13:08] <Fluubi> thanks a lto for your answers
[13:08] <Fluubi> cya
[13:09] <ShorTie> so no need for all that then, cause it is enable by defualt
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[13:09] <hideo> fucking frustrating when people repeat the same problems over and over and expect a different results, w/o providing any detailed information
[13:11] <ShorTie> hideo you need to read the topic pleaze
[13:11] <chunkyhead> default ssh port is 22 right?
[13:11] <ShorTie> Yuppers ... :)
[13:12] <chunkyhead> googled whatsmyip, got my ip. tried ssh root@ipadd, says connection timed out
[13:12] <chunkyhead> nat has to enabled on both modem and router?
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[13:13] <[SLB]> your router has to forward the external port to the internal ip/port
[13:14] <[SLB]> also, if your router doesn't support loopback, i guess you won't be able to access your machine using the public ip
[13:14] <chunkyhead> [SLB]: i did that. 22 has been forwarded to local ip of rpi. device supports lo
[13:14] <ShorTie> root@ most likely not needed
[13:15] <ShorTie> try just http://ipaddress:22
[13:15] <[SLB]> sounds good then, does it work using the lan ip?
[13:15] <chunkyhead> This address is restricted
[13:15] <chunkyhead> This address uses a network port which is normally used for purposes other than Web browsing. Firefox has canceled the request for your protection.
[13:16] <chunkyhead> [SLB]: yep. im sshed in right now
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[13:16] <chunkyhead> ShorTie: chromium doesn't open that
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[13:19] <ShorTie> well ya, firefox is not a ssh client so it will never connect
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[13:22] <chunkyhead> any other ideas?
[13:22] <chunkyhead> nat has to be enabled/port forwading should be done on both devices?
[13:23] <[SLB]> what's your network topology? namely, what both devices?
[13:24] <chunkyhead> modem-->wifi router-->clients
[13:24] <chunkyhead> [SLB]: ^
[13:24] <ShorTie> try putty
[13:25] <chunkyhead> putty is there on linux? o.o
[13:25] <[SLB]> i'm not sure whether a modem has a nat, i suppose it shouldn't and should let everything pass thru to the router. or has it?
[13:25] <[SLB]> it may have an internal firewall, probably not a nat
[13:26] <chunkyhead> [SLB]: modem has nat. im unable to find nat on router
[13:26] <gordonDrogon> chunkyhead, so AIUI, you're trying to get external access to your Pi via SSH through your modem/router into your home LAN?
[13:26] <chunkyhead> gordonDrogon: spot on
[13:26] <gordonDrogon> So.. Do you have access to some external host to try this?
[13:27] <chunkyhead> im using my phone
[13:27] <chunkyhead> yes
[13:27] <chunkyhead> phone not connected to home network
[13:27] <VoidFox> and dont some isp's lock down those lower ports?
[13:27] <gordonDrogon> and you're running connectbot, juicessh, or something like that on your phone?
[13:27] <DoctorD90> gordonDrogon: sorry, why do you add in topic, the link to adafruit lessons? ...they are writtem well...or this.is.against some rulez?
[13:27] <gordonDrogon> VoidFox, in general, no.
[13:27] <chunkyhead> gordonDrogon: juicessh
[13:28] <gordonDrogon> DoctorD90, not sure I get you - you want me to change the topic to link to adafruit?
[13:29] <gordonDrogon> chunkyhead, ok. So the general process is that you add in a port-forward in your modem/router to take external port X and map it to an internet IP address on port Y. (X and Y can be the same)
[13:29] <DoctorD90> not change, just add a link to very good lessons :)
[13:29] <gordonDrogon> DoctorD90, who knows. I'd much rather a link went the the raspberry pi foundations own site, if-any though. Or mine, or ...
[13:30] <gordonDrogon> chunkyhead, you also need to make sure that the Pi on the inside always has the same IP address because if it changes then the mapping in your modem/router won't work.
[13:30] <gordonDrogon> chunkyhead, that's the generics - how you do it that will depends on the make of modem/router you have - start googling for its manual, etc.
[13:31] <DoctorD90> chunkyhead: i'd like add that in some router there is the ability to hide device connected one to other...so if it is enabled, router do not.broadcast to each device the other connected....and if you ping them, you will get reply as they are not connected....
[13:31] <gordonDrogon> DoctorD90, that can be done later - and it's really not needed.
[13:31] <gordonDrogon> just keep life simple.
[13:32] <DoctorD90> gordonDrogon: i dont get money to sponsorize these links! i just read them, and these help me ...is just to share a.good.link :) later i will send you, so you can decide.your own ^^
[13:32] <chunkyhead> mapped port 22 to local ip of pi.. done
[13:32] <chunkyhead> static ip to pi.. done
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[13:33] <chunkyhead> DoctorD90: i dont that's the case with my router because i have already sshed onto my rpi
[13:33] <DoctorD90> gordonDrogon: i would just suggest to disabled it, if it is enabled....in some.router, like mine, it is set by default, so even if.i.set forward, i cant connect devices between them :) but! i will shut up...too many ppl helping is only bad ^^
[13:34] <gordonDrogon> chunkyhead, so now try to ssh into your routers external IP address and see what happens...
[13:34] <chunkyhead> timed out
[13:34] <gordonDrogon> DoctorD90, it's nice to be independant here...
[13:34] <chunkyhead> let me try again
[13:34] <DoctorD90> ok as i said...too many ppl is only bad...i.shut.ip
[13:34] <gordonDrogon> chunkyhead, so next thing to check might be the ports - try mapping external 2222 to internal 22, then connect to external:2222
[13:35] <gordonDrogon> chunkyhead, it could be that your modem/router is already using 22 or firewalling it.
[13:36] <chunkyhead> what would happen if i ssh thru a device connected on the same network
[13:36] <chunkyhead> eg, a & b both are conntected to wifi, i try ssh user@extIPAdd
[13:36] <gordonDrogon> chunkyhead, it will depend on the modem/route - some won't allow it, some might.
[13:37] <[SLB]> you said it supports loopback, in that case it should work fine
[13:38] <chunkyhead> coz i can stop using my phone network :\
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[13:39] <gordonDrogon> listening to a program on radio4 about bread making - I may be a bit slow to reply...
[13:39] <chunkyhead> just tell me one thing, should nat be enabled on both modem and router, and should i map ports from both devices to rpi?
[13:40] <gordonDrogon> a lot will depends on how your system is setup, what model devices you have and so on. there are 1000's of options and ways to do it )-:
[13:40] <chunkyhead> trial and error ftw
[13:40] <gordonDrogon> it would be ususual for your modem AND router to both do NAT.
[13:41] <chunkyhead> only my modem can
[13:41] <chunkyhead> funny that my router can't. atleast i cant find an option
[13:41] <gordonDrogon> right - is it actually a router or just a wi-fi access point?
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[13:41] <gordonDrogon> give me the model numbers...
[13:42] <chunkyhead> wifi- asus rt 10e
[13:42] <chunkyhead> modem- sterlite sam300ax
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[13:44] <gordonDrogon> I', not familiar with either - it looks like both can do NAT, I'd see if the modem can be setups as a raw modem - no NAT and just use it as a modem passing pppoe to the asus router and get that to do nat, etc.
[13:45] <gordonDrogon> however it all depends on your own abilitys and confidence to do the configuration. it's way outside a raspberry Pi type channel...
[13:45] <chunkyhead> im a newb
[13:45] <chunkyhead> lol
[13:45] <chunkyhead> id be more than happy to learn
[13:45] <chunkyhead> though
[13:45] <chunkyhead> let me see what i can do. and get back to you :)
[13:45] <chunkyhead> thank you for your time
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[13:48] <blockh34d> anyone know how to /ignore in irssi? /ignore maybe?
[13:49] <blockh34d> n/m think i got it sorted
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[13:52] <chunkyhead> it is funny. i have nat enabled. and all my devices conncted give me same ip when i google whats my ip
[13:52] <gordonDrogon> that's because you only have one external IP address.
[13:52] <chunkyhead> gordonDrogon: oh i thought nat would gimme different ext ips
[13:52] <chunkyhead> my bad
[13:52] <gordonDrogon> NAT is Network Address Translation. The modem/router remembers the internal IP addresses and translatest it to the one external, and vice-versa.
[13:53] <blockh34d> yah external ip's are harder to come by than internal lan side
[13:53] <gordonDrogon> that's why you need to mapping from external to internal when trying to access an internal device from the outside.
[13:53] <blockh34d> lan side you get all you can eat, wan side you get what your isp gives you, probably only one
[13:53] <chunkyhead> makes sense
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[13:54] <gordonDrogon> blockh34d, depends on the ISP - I have a /29 in my home/office on IPv4 and a /56 on IPv6.
[13:54] <blockh34d> thats pretty cool
[13:54] <blockh34d> my isp is cheapo, we get one ip i believe
[13:54] <blockh34d> which is fine, for me
[13:54] <blockh34d> i don't really know though, maybe i get more, i've never actually tried
[13:54] <gordonDrogon> Yea, I pay a little more for this and (hopefully!) get a better service too.
[13:54] <coreGreenberet> is it possible to move the boot partition to the second partition on the sd card? and have a seperated "config" partition as the first one?
[13:55] <gordonDrogon> coreGreenberet, sorry, no. the Pi must boot off the on-board SD card
[13:55] <gordonDrogon> coreGreenberet, and the first partition.
[13:55] <blockh34d> well that answers my next question
[13:55] <gordonDrogon> it's very hard-wired.
[13:55] <blockh34d> so theres no way to boot a pi off a usb drive like a thumbdrive etc?
[13:55] <gordonDrogon> no - boot off the SD then you can have root external though.
[13:56] <blockh34d> yah thats makes sense, since it needs all those config.txt etc lil files
[13:56] <gordonDrogon> NFS, usb drive, iSCSI, etc.
[13:56] <coreGreenberet> i'm fine with the sd card, but is their really no way to boot from the second partition?
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[13:56] <gordonDrogon> coreGreenberet, nope.
[13:56] <blockh34d> does freenode seem overrun by trolls to anyone else?
[13:56] <chunkyhead> what's the difference between ssh -D and ssh -p
[13:57] <blockh34d> some chans i go in now, i'm used to them being nice and helpful, friendly, instead its just full of trolls that argue about everything
[13:57] <blockh34d> it really seems a deliberate attempt to derail constructive conversation and i don't get it
[13:58] <chunkyhead> do i need to reboot the routers after every virtual server i create
[13:58] <blockh34d> well i just thought i'd see if anyone else noticed that sort of activity, n/m
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[13:58] <chunkyhead> blockh34d: i agree
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[13:59] <blockh34d> i wonder if its like, certain powers noticed that IRC is very helpful for basically poor people that want to learn stuff and better their life... so they come here to screw it up... that's all i can imagine for a motivation.
[13:59] <blockh34d> oh well, gonna give that /ignore list a workout!
[14:00] <blockh34d> is there any sort of plans or discussion about a next gen rpi?
[14:00] <blockh34d> i saw the sticky forum post on the subject, it said no, but i thought maybe people here know otherwise
[14:00] <coreGreenberet> gordonDrogon: could I use a logical partition as the first one to boot or does it have to be a primary one?
[14:01] <chunkyhead> a shithead mod wasted 3 hours of mine and then banned me for trolling. lmao. i complained on freenode and then he goes all, this is bs. i have been screenshotting all my conversations ever since
[14:01] <blockh34d> i don't blame you
[14:01] <blockh34d> i just had a situation like that in #opengl
[14:02] <blockh34d> i was trying to talk to another rpi user about beta testing my opengl game
[14:02] <chunkyhead> haha welome to the league.
[14:02] <blockh34d> bam instantly 19 people jumped in the convo with nothing to add except bickering and division
[14:02] <blockh34d> i'm just ignoring them all from now on
[14:02] <blockh34d> not even getting into it with em, no point, they remind me of news website forum trolls
[14:03] <blockh34d> forum/comment
[14:03] <chunkyhead> atleast you werent banned.
[14:03] <blockh34d> kinda surprised by that actually
[14:03] <blockh34d> well we'll see what the future holds, no biggy
[14:03] <chunkyhead> i was banned on ubuntu. lol. i switched OSs, i have never been happier.
[14:03] <blockh34d> i have no questions for #opengl, they seem like they don't really know much of spit anymore anyways
[14:03] <blockh34d> what are you using now?
[14:04] <chunkyhead> thanks to that i have actually learnt so much. im pretty sure i wouldn't have learn all this had i been using ubuntu till now
[14:04] <chunkyhead> arch
[14:04] <blockh34d> ubuntu has kinda soured for me too now
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[14:04] <blockh34d> ah ok maybe i'll try that next
[14:04] <chunkyhead> i started using linux because i was bored of windows
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[14:04] <blockh34d> i was thinking maybe mint? i haven't ried really anything but unbuntu and now raspbian
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[14:04] <chunkyhead> then ubuntu got boring within a few months
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[14:04] <blockh34d> i'm just very disatisfied with windows
[14:04] <blockh34d> defenestration is my fav word
[14:04] <chunkyhead> i moved onto arch, the learning curve is steep but once you learn, it is fast
[14:05] <blockh34d> theres an arch release for rpi ya?
[14:05] <blockh34d> i kinda thought i heard about one anyways
[14:05] <chunkyhead> i use windows just for office and games. is there a decent alternative for office? i find libre/open office pathetic
[14:05] <chunkyhead> blockh34d: yes there is
[14:05] <blockh34d> oh well that would have been my suggestion
[14:05] <chunkyhead> archlinux-arm
[14:05] <blockh34d> my office needs are so light, libre is just fine for me
[14:06] <blockh34d> oh cool maybe i'll give that a shot
[14:06] <blockh34d> raspbians been a champ for me so far though
[14:06] <blockh34d> no complaints
[14:06] <chunkyhead> the problem with me is, everyone around me uses ms office and somehow the formatting is screwed when i open the same documents in open/libre
[14:06] <blockh34d> which os seems to load the fastest, given identical setups that is?
[14:07] <chunkyhead> i dont know. haven't tried
[14:07] <blockh34d> maybe you could get a converter app? or you could have them export in older/common version? or you maybe have an import function you could try?
[14:07] <blockh34d> load fastest on pi i mean
[14:07] <chunkyhead> i still dont know lol.
[14:07] <blockh34d> i keep thinking of making little devices, headless, etc, so i would like them to boot fast
[14:07] <blockh34d> maybe i'll do a test, blog about it
[14:07] <chunkyhead> i use arch, cli. no gui installed. so it is fast.. i gues
[14:07] <blockh34d> hmm cool
[14:07] <chunkyhead> plus arch is bare. so..
[14:07] <blockh34d> yah i think a cool device would be this:
[14:08] <blockh34d> rpi with no ability to write to it's sd card
[14:08] <blockh34d> only looks for a thumbdrive plugged in and formats it
[14:08] <chunkyhead> read only rpi? o.o why would u want that
[14:08] <blockh34d> thats all it does
[14:08] <chunkyhead> lol
[14:08] <blockh34d> so you could sterilize thumb drives
[14:08] <chunkyhead> yes haha
[14:08] <blockh34d> cause they're so dirty!
[14:08] <blockh34d> you think that's possible?
[14:08] <chunkyhead> obv
[14:08] <blockh34d> or would the rpi get infected like everything else?
[14:09] <chunkyhead> read only linux is very much possible by 2 ways
[14:09] <blockh34d> if i could have the os permanently burned into a chip that could never be changed, that would be perfect
[14:09] <chunkyhead> 1. switch lock 'on' on the micro SD adapter
[14:09] <chunkyhead> 2. chmod
[14:09] <blockh34d> oh i like the manual lock method
[14:09] <blockh34d> that sounds hard to bypass
[14:09] <chunkyhead> u cant
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[14:10] <blockh34d> remeber electrical tape on 5 1/4 disks? lol
[14:10] <blockh34d> write protect lol
[14:10] <chunkyhead> i dont know what that means
[14:10] <blockh34d> oh i'm old
[14:10] <chunkyhead> but i would laugh any way for your sake
[14:10] <chunkyhead> haha
[14:10] <chunkyhead> i figured :p
[14:10] <blockh34d> we used to use disk's that are 5 1/4"s per side
[14:10] <blockh34d> 'floppy disks'
[14:10] <chunkyhead> blockh34d: let me show you something i have
[14:10] <chunkyhead> which is old :Pp
[14:10] <blockh34d> they would be write protected if a little notch is missing on the side
[14:10] <chunkyhead> hold on, let me find
[14:11] <blockh34d> you undid that write protection by sticking a little bit of tape of the missing notch
[14:11] <blockh34d> 'hacked'
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[14:11] <blockh34d> or do i have it backwards now? might be the other way aroudn now that i think about it
[14:12] <blockh34d> take your time, gonna grab another cup of coffee
[14:12] <blockh34d> hacker fuel
[14:13] <chunkyhead> coffee isn't good for your health sir
[14:13] <blockh34d> i heard it holds off alzhemiers
[14:13] <blockh34d> and it helps with my adhd i think
[14:13] <chunkyhead> so does marijuana
[14:13] <chunkyhead> http://screencloud.net/v/clq8
[14:13] <blockh34d> oh i'm working on that too
[14:13] <chunkyhead> here you do
[14:13] <chunkyhead> go*
[14:14] <chunkyhead> something old i own
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[14:14] <blockh34d> maybe you have a direct link to the image so i could wget instead of webrrowse?
[14:14] <blockh34d> browser on pi is ouch
[14:14] <chunkyhead> hold on
[14:14] <blockh34d> thanks
[14:14] <chunkyhead> blockh34d: http://screencloud.net//img/screenshots/053bf9f2463312a334f43c469149392b.png
[14:15] <blockh34d> wow how awesome is that
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[14:15] <blockh34d> looks almost like the computer i learned on
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[14:15] <blockh34d> i learned on what they called a 'luggable'
[14:15] <chunkyhead> it's a 3in1 entertainment device
[14:15] <blockh34d> as in, hypothetically portable
[14:15] <blockh34d> yah i figured
[14:16] <blockh34d> my computer kinda looked like that
[14:16] <blockh34d> it had a built in 6" mono monitor
[14:16] <chunkyhead> casette, tv, radio (am fm and-something-other-band)
[14:16] <blockh34d> a 5 1/4" drive and a 10 megabyte harddrive
[14:16] <chunkyhead> i wanted to use my rpi on that and create something cool
[14:16] <blockh34d> oh yah that'd be sweet
[14:16] <chunkyhead> so right now im just collecting information :)
[14:16] <blockh34d> maybe you gut the tape drive part
[14:16] <blockh34d> then install the rpi in there
[14:17] <blockh34d> so you can open tape drive in order to insert new / different SD card
[14:17] <chunkyhead> or i can make this a tape writer
[14:17] <chunkyhead> :3
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[14:17] <blockh34d> does anyone use tape?
[14:17] <blockh34d> might as well break out the punch cards lol
[14:17] <chunkyhead> i some left overs
[14:17] <blockh34d> ohhh i know
[14:17] <blockh34d> make a 3d printer that prints vinyl
[14:17] <blockh34d> that would be *awesome*
[14:18] <blockh34d> if you could print out lil 45's? holy crap that would be cool
[14:18] <chunkyhead> haha. need financial resources xD
[14:18] <blockh34d> maybe i'll give it a shot when i get a 3d printer
[14:18] <blockh34d> its my next substantial purchase
[14:18] <blockh34d> octopi here i come!
[14:18] <chunkyhead> it was nice talking to you Mr blockh34d :) now it's time for me to retire to my bed.
[14:18] <chunkyhead> good night
[14:18] <blockh34d> same sir, good night to you
[14:19] <chunkyhead> lol. you calling me sir is so funny.
[14:19] <chunkyhead> im barely 21
[14:19] <blockh34d> i only call people sir when they act like a decent human
[14:19] <chunkyhead> anyway good night/day/morning/evening
[14:19] <blockh34d> its kinda rare so you might not hear it much
[14:19] <chunkyhead> well in that case, thank you for that :D
[14:19] <blockh34d> always surprises people at the drive through, like they're used to people being mean to them
[14:19] <blockh34d> yup
[14:19] <blockh34d> gnite
[14:20] <chunkyhead> i know how you feel. internet is a bad place
[14:20] <chunkyhead> well so is earth
[14:20] <chunkyhead> and cuba
[14:20] <chunkyhead> gn
[14:20] <blockh34d> :)
[14:20] <blockh34d> it never ceases to amaze me how good people are as individuals
[14:21] <blockh34d> i think most of the problems we encounter are rooted in the human group dynamic
[14:21] <blockh34d> as a group, we're idiots.
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[14:26] <blockh34d> its like the rule of ninjas. One ninja = unstoppable. Multiple ninjas = incompetent
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[14:32] <[SLB]> hm question, i use a wifi dongle on the pi, so it has its drivers working. i want to configure hostapd which config file requires me to fill a field with the exact drivers name, which i'm not sure of
[14:32] <[SLB]> and i suppose i get some from lsmod | grep 80211
[14:33] <[SLB]> but which is which?
[14:33] <[SLB]> mac80211 315610 3 rt2x00lib,rt2x00usb,rt2800lib
[14:33] <blockh34d> so far outta my pay grade i could not even make you a guess
[14:33] <[SLB]> cfg80211 209281 2 mac80211,rt2x00lib
[14:33] <[SLB]> rfkill 19138 2 cfg80211
[14:33] <blockh34d> i'm gonna guess the 2nd one
[14:33] <blockh34d> mac looks network related to me
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[14:33] <blockh34d> i really don't know though
[14:34] <blockh34d> whats hostapd do?
[14:34] <[SLB]> Bus 001 Device 004: ID 148f:5370 Ralink Technology, Corp. RT5370 Wireless Adapter so i guess one starting with rt
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[14:34] <[SLB]> lets you use the pi as access point
[14:34] <blockh34d> oh cool
[14:35] <[SLB]> or connect to it even if there's no router inbetween eheh
[14:35] <blockh34d> turn your rpi into a wireless router basically?
[14:35] <[SLB]> yes if you bridge the ethernet to the wifi you can do that too
[14:35] <blockh34d> thats pretty cool
[14:35] <blockh34d> yah i plug from lan cable directly to a pc, then share the inet connection on the pc with winbloze
[14:35] <[SLB]> in my case i could also use it as a remote security camera where there's no internet connection, i can just connect to it from phone when i'm nearby
[14:35] <blockh34d> so far so good
[14:35] <[SLB]> eheh
[14:36] <blockh34d> actually at first i just connected via wifi to router, then would use samba shares to get at media
[14:36] <blockh34d> hidefs could not play at speed this way
[14:36] <blockh34d> so anyone else tyring to stream a movie over the network? watch out for wifi
[14:36] <[SLB]> ah eheh
[14:37] <blockh34d> this way i can load and play a 1080p video in about a second and it plays back perfectly every time
[14:37] <blockh34d> using omxplayer that is
[14:37] <blockh34d> i wish there was a decent player for raspbain
[14:37] <blockh34d> i made a gui for omxplayer but its a hack
[14:38] <[SLB]> nice
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[14:43] <zaccanasta> hi guys, i need to compile a module on pidora but raspberrypi-kernel-devel is empty
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[14:44] <zaccanasta> hi guys, i need to compile a module on pidora but raspberrypi-kernel-devel is empty
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[14:50] <blockh34d> hello
[14:50] <blockh34d> wish i knew anything that could help there zaccanasta but i'm a rpi / nix newb... but hello, good luck!
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[14:52] <blockh34d> looking at a blog post that says you'll need packages ncurses-devel rpmdevtools and yum-utils
[14:52] <blockh34d> you have those installed?
[14:52] <zaccanasta> :((
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[14:53] <blockh34d> from same blog post: install the kernel srpm: "rpm -i raspberrypi-kernel-3*"
[14:54] <blockh34d> looks like a likely lead there... blogpost link = http://jasoncarman.wordpress.com/2013/11/16/pidora-kernel-building-part-1
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[14:56] <blockh34d> hi zaccanasta did you see my earlier messages?
[14:56] <blockh34d> they looked like Clues
[14:56] <zaccanasta> yeah
[14:57] <blockh34d> oh ok. just did a lil poking around, still dunno anything about it though.
[14:57] <zaccanasta> i'll try installing kernel-sources
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[14:57] <blockh34d> sounds like a good bet
[14:57] <zaccanasta> i think i won't have enough space in my 4GB sd card
[14:58] <blockh34d> you did the 'use all space' thing in raspi-config?
[14:58] <blockh34d> maybe try a sudo apt-get autoremove
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[14:59] <zaccanasta> I only have 185MB of free space
[15:00] <blockh34d> ouch that sounds like a big problem
[15:00] <blockh34d> i wouldnt really know but i'd be worried not having more avail than that
[15:00] <zaccanasta> i'll switch to 8GB sd soon
[15:00] <blockh34d> whats the biggest a rpi can handle?
[15:00] <blockh34d> and is there a reason not to use the biggest possible? like maybe its slower or flakey?
[15:01] <zaccanasta> no idea but i guess there is any real limit
[15:01] <zaccanasta> isn't
[15:01] <blockh34d> oh cool, yah i think they make 32 gb cards, gonna try one of those
[15:01] <blockh34d> my 8gb is already topping off
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[15:01] <blockh34d> only 1.5gb left, but i've installed a bunhc of stuff
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[15:02] <blockh34d> eclipse and llvm and stupidly bloated things like that
[15:02] <blockh34d> maybe stupidly isnot the right word there. i'm sure they have their reasons
[15:02] <blockh34d> but feels like bloatware to me
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[15:02] <zaccanasta> i need a module for rtc clock, i bought one but there's no driver :(
[15:02] <atouk> move /root to usb hd or thumbdrive
[15:02] <blockh34d> whats a rtc clock?
[15:03] <InControl> A real time clock clock
[15:03] <blockh34d> atouk: oh is that 'legit'?
[15:03] <atouk> yup
[15:03] <blockh34d> oh ok
[15:03] <blockh34d> cool. thanks InControl
[15:03] <atouk> using a 500 gig hd on mine
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[15:03] <blockh34d> yah my clock has always just 'worked'... updates on boot, always accurate
[15:03] <atouk> you only need the sd to boot
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[15:04] <blockh34d> does the 500gb draw power off the rpi or you have it on a powered hub?
[15:04] <atouk> powered hd
[15:04] <atouk> an old maxtor i had sitting around
[15:04] <blockh34d> ok yah i been wondering if a rpi could supply a drive like that itself, probably not huh
[15:05] <zaccanasta> my wifi connection is so unstable today
[15:05] <blockh34d> yah i think i'm going to make a customized pi with a built in powered hub, rechargable power supply, and usb large drive
[15:05] <blockh34d> can you have samba cache itself on that external drive?
[15:06] <blockh34d> cause write speed on those sd cards is atrocious, kills samba shares for me over wifi
[15:06] <atouk> once it boots, everythign happens on the external
[15:07] <blockh34d> yah thats what i gotta setup
[15:07] <blockh34d> prolly helps your sd card last much longer too... 'forever' ish
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[15:12] <blockh34d> anyone know about hotswapping picams?
[15:13] <[SLB]> mustn't hotwsap
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[16:09] <[SLB]> hm, to use hostapd, is it mandatory to also have a dhcp server?
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[16:15] <blockh34d> sounds like a good idea to me but i really wouldnt know
[16:15] <blockh34d> DHCP = magic letters that make networking go
[16:15] <blockh34d> thats what i know.
[16:16] <[SLB]> eheh i never really use dhcp anywhere if i can, i assign static ip
[16:16] <blockh34d> yah i like static ip's better too, when i'm setting up my samba shares
[16:16] <blockh34d> maybe i should look into getting rid of dhcp if i don't use it? magic letters!
[16:17] <blockh34d> sounds perilous to me but i'm pretty bored sometimes... maybe bored enough
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[16:17] <[SLB]> so i was wondering whether the dhcp was mandatory for hostapd since i can't seem to connect to the ap, hmm
[16:17] <[SLB]> lol eheh
[16:17] <blockh34d> sounds like times time to test out both options
[16:17] <blockh34d> if you do it wrong does anything catch on fire, or explode?
[16:17] <[SLB]> nop :3
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[16:18] <blockh34d> then there ya go ;) sample set of 2 is easy enough to brute force
[16:18] <[SLB]> yea i should set the dhcp server and all though, maybe when i have more time eheh
[16:19] <blockh34d> awww webgl in chromium on pi seems to not work
[16:19] <blockh34d> maybe in iceweasel?
[16:20] <blockh34d> maybe the greatest app name imo
[16:20] <blockh34d> <3 iceweasel
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[16:20] <[SLB]> eheh
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[16:31] <strk> happy happy, hdmi via adapter to old vga monitor started working
[16:31] <strk> I guess after disabling overscan
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[16:33] <[SLB]> okie configured udhcpd and now it works, that was it then, eheh
[16:33] <[SLB]> nice strk
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[16:36] <strk> anyone running xbmc on it ?
[16:37] <strk> broken package :(
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[16:38] <nStensen> strk: what package? ;)
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[16:41] <blockh34d> cool slb i'll remember that if i ever use hostapdf
[16:41] <[SLB]> nice :)
[16:42] <blockh34d> strk i made a player gui for omxplayer, makes raspbian ok for media center operation, want a copy?
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[16:42] <blockh34d> can also be used remotely via putty since its a console app (uses curses for mouse support)
[16:43] <blockh34d> its no xbmc but it does the basic stuff youd expect
[16:45] <strk> uhm, I use xbmc to watch videos, can't imagine a curses controller
[16:45] <strk> unless it's from remote
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[16:45] <blockh34d> yah sounds bad right, but i think its better than you'd expect
[16:46] <blockh34d> its got progress bar with seek
[16:46] <blockh34d> fullscreen toggle during playback
[16:46] <blockh34d> playlist with shuffle
[16:46] <strk> why not xbmc blockh34d ? too slow ?
[16:46] <blockh34d> and can read in a directory and all subdirs with one command (play)
[16:46] <blockh34d> i want to use raspbian as a desktop
[16:46] <strk> I guess xbmc has more plugins available... I actually use it with scrapers
[16:46] <blockh34d> i use rpi as a basic computer
[16:46] <blockh34d> xbmc has no desktop right?
[16:47] <strk> I'm using an small laptop for xbmc right now, it runs windowed..
[16:47] <strk> so it's still in the desktop
[16:47] <blockh34d> on rpi?
[16:47] <blockh34d> i thought xbmc for rpi was an all or nothing thing
[16:47] <strk> nope, rpi I just succeeded on seeing output on the monitor :)
[16:47] <blockh34d> oh right
[16:47] <blockh34d> well i found raspbian to be a good fit for me
[16:47] <strk> I'd be ok for an all-xbmc setup for it, if it works
[16:48] <blockh34d> yah it probably does more things you're used to and looking for
[16:48] <strk> at least it'd be less noisy
[16:48] <blockh34d> mine doesnt support gamepads yet
[16:48] <blockh34d> but soon i'll be reading scan codes from a lot of tv remotes
[16:48] <strk> nStensen: xbmc : Depends: xbmc-bin (>= 2:11.0~git20120510.82388d5-1) but it is not installable
[16:48] <blockh34d> and setting up an auto-play function so you boot the pi, and it watchs for media on thumbdrives to be inserted and plays it when it is
[16:48] <blockh34d> so a no-input at all mode
[16:49] <blockh34d> also i think i might make a better shuffle
[16:49] <blockh34d> doesnt typical shuffle / random seem kinda not good enough?
[16:49] <strk> speaking of which, it'd be time to set manual IP, or dhcp would make it hard to remote-control :
[16:49] <blockh34d> yah i prefer static ip too
[16:49] <blockh34d> seems faster to me, to establish
[16:50] <strk> blockh34d: I watch streaming media, video control is not the problem, finding plugins to scrape different streaming site would be
[16:50] <blockh34d> btw careful streaming video to rpi via samba
[16:50] <strk> youtube, tedtalks, national tv...
[16:50] <blockh34d> if you use wifi it will cache the data on the sd card for a moment
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[16:50] <blockh34d> so i use direct cable connection and it doesnt do that, it's immediate and insanely faster
[16:51] <blockh34d> so 1080p videos playback immediately, barely use 50% cpu to decode
[16:51] <blockh34d> hmm gonna remember that strk
[16:51] <blockh34d> i keep thinking plugins would be cool for my gui app
[16:51] <blockh34d> but i was thinking plugins like media library, torrents, irc
[16:51] <strk> no wifi if it's to be "the TV" (it's near to the router)
[16:51] <blockh34d> streaming scraping should be pretty doable... i know youtube is easily scraped
[16:52] <blockh34d> yah cood call
[16:52] <strk> what media player is installed by default on the raspbian ?
[16:52] <strk> commandline
[16:52] <blockh34d> i did direct cable to pc, that might be even faster who knows
[16:52] <blockh34d> well... thats why i made my gui
[16:52] <blockh34d> kinda none
[16:52] <blockh34d> it sucks
[16:52] <strk> (no desktop, I'm connected via ssh, no keyboard either)
[16:52] <blockh34d> theres 'omxplayer' and its command line and lacking features
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[16:52] <blockh34d> but it plays back the best
[16:52] <blockh34d> smoothest etc
[16:53] <strk> thanks, works
[16:53] <blockh34d> vlc exists but no hw accel
[16:53] <blockh34d> if you're playing from ssh, try my app
[16:53] <strk> uhm, now that it emitted the very first sound
[16:53] <blockh34d> its way nicer than omxplayer to use
[16:53] <blockh34d> playlists, buttons, a ui etc
[16:53] <strk> I can hear myself typing on the laptop
[16:53] <blockh34d> haha clickclack
[16:53] <strk> must have activated some interferences ;)
[16:53] <blockh34d> guess so, thats kinda funny
[16:54] <strk> too many things stacked here, amplifier + wireless adsl router + monitor
[16:54] <blockh34d> btw if you see 'Scamp' in app store later (after its approved), thats my app. it's free so give it shot if you want
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[16:54] <blockh34d> i'm trying to get the install kinks sorted out
[16:54] <AbbyTheRat> banana
[16:54] <AbbyTheRat> What's up?
[16:54] <blockh34d> Hihi
[16:54] <blockh34d> working on my game
[16:54] <blockh34d> slackin
[16:54] <blockh34d> you?
[16:55] <blockh34d> ever get your pi plugged in?
[16:55] <strk> rpi has an "app store" ?
[16:55] * strk is still far from that point
[16:56] <blockh34d> yah from x its default on desktop
[16:56] <blockh34d> kinda emptyish but worth a look
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[16:56] <blockh34d> some of the games are a must, like cavestory, and open arena
[16:56] <AbbyTheRat> twp
[16:56] <AbbyTheRat> yep*
[16:56] <AbbyTheRat> it's up and running
[16:56] <AbbyTheRat> but that's as far as I got before I got too sleepy
[16:56] <blockh34d> yah i should have my app in it soon
[16:56] <blockh34d> oh i see
[16:56] <blockh34d> hey cool good luck :)
[16:57] <AbbyTheRat> mhm,thanks
[16:57] <blockh34d> app in the store that is, i thought thats what you meant by 'up and running'
[16:57] <AbbyTheRat> blockh34d: - re: biggest size Pi can handle
[16:57] <blockh34d> although you can have a copy if you'd like AbbyTheRat, of course
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[16:57] <blockh34d> ifs free anyways, just not indexed yet
[16:57] <blockh34d> k, any idea?
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[16:59] <AbbyTheRat> http://elinux.org/RPi_SD_cards <- take alook at this
[16:59] <blockh34d> k
[16:59] <blockh34d> thanks
[16:59] <AbbyTheRat> I've seen people try 128gb
[16:59] <blockh34d> i think i'm going to do what a couple people have suggested, plug in a different drive and move over root
[16:59] <blockh34d> sounds like it'll run way faster
[16:59] <blockh34d> sdcard writes are so slow!
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[17:00] <SpeedEvil> yeah - 64G SSDs arenot expensive
[17:00] <SpeedEvil> SATA-USB adaptor, job done
[17:01] <SpeedEvil> https://www.olimex.com/Products/OLinuXino/A20/ - or pick a device with SATA onboard
[17:02] <blockh34d> cool thanks SpeedEvil
[17:02] <blockh34d> sounds like a good way to go
[17:02] <blockh34d> hey any thoughts on a rechargable power supply?
[17:02] <blockh34d> seems many options avail, curious if any particularly good
[17:03] <SpeedEvil> For what.
[17:03] <blockh34d> powering rpi, a powered hub, and a proper drive
[17:03] <SpeedEvil> For how long, do you care about number of charges, ...
[17:03] <blockh34d> yah rechargable but usually run off standard wall power
[17:03] <blockh34d> so battery is more for backup, powerouts, and travelling
[17:03] <blockh34d> maybe drive a small lcd off it too, as a backup display
[17:04] <blockh34d> wondering about maybe using a wheelchair batter
[17:04] <blockh34d> with a standard 12v to usb adapter
[17:04] <blockh34d> maybe a nicer than standard one for higher juice rating
[17:04] <blockh34d> maybe run a picam off it too now that i think about it
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[17:09] <AbbyTheRat> blockh34d: basically something akin to a UPS?
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[17:09] <blockh34d> yah probably prety close
[17:09] <blockh34d> i figure pretty much like a laptop powersupply
[17:09] <blockh34d> either its supplying the power, recharging, or monitoring/topping off batter
[17:10] <AbbyTheRat> laptop is different in that it's alwasy runs off the battery
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[17:13] <timatron> morning yall
[17:13] <AbbyTheRat> morning
[17:14] <timatron> quick question... I made a video looper and posted it to my website a while ago ( http://www.timschwartz.org/raspberry-pi-video-looper/ ) I haven't been paying attention to raspi developments lately, but I am getting a flood of emails that my image doesn't work on new hardware, what do I need to do to make the image work? So I can repost to my site and stop everyone from emailing me :)
[17:14] <timatron> (no i haven't searched on the forums yet, I'm lazy)
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[17:15] <timatron> thx in advance
[17:17] <AbbyTheRat> no idea �\_(?)_/�
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[17:18] <AbbyTheRat> .. at a guess, create a new image on the new hardware after you finished it
[17:18] <AbbyTheRat> took me a few seconds to realise you were talking about one thing and not the other, oops
[17:18] <plugwash> most likely you need to update the firmware
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[17:19] <AbbyTheRat> most like that, wow, my brain is horribly fried today
[17:19] <timatron> did some new hardware come out?
[17:19] <timatron> the image hasn't changed for a year now
[17:19] <AbbyTheRat> more likely there were a firmware update
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[17:19] <AbbyTheRat> that's breaking things
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[17:20] <timatron> ahhh
[17:20] <timatron> gotcha
[17:20] <timatron> so....
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[17:20] <timatron> if i just downloaded the latest wheezy and make my mods on that and repost the image, it will be backwards compatible?
[17:21] <AbbyTheRat> update the firmware, make changes to get it working then create new image, test it
[17:21] <AbbyTheRat> .. I'm not sure, you can test it yourself
[17:21] <timatron> :)
[17:21] <timatron> yeah, just being lazy, got too many other projects on, trying to limp along support for something I did for myself a year ago
[17:21] <AbbyTheRat> Maybe.. if you have more then one wheezy version >_>;
[17:21] <timatron> thanks for the advice
[17:22] <AbbyTheRat> or you can release it with the sipulation that it's not tested for backward compatible, and keep a link to the old one that's known to work.
[17:22] <AbbyTheRat> and to let you know if it does or does not.
[17:22] <timatron> oh for realz
[17:22] <timatron> :)
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[17:23] <AbbyTheRat> and I mean comptiablity, ..
[17:23] <AbbyTheRat> and I still fail. *headdesk*
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[17:24] <AbbyTheRat> blockh34d: how are you for reverse engineering devices?
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[17:25] <blockh34d> depends on the device
[17:25] <blockh34d> what are you tryin to hack
[17:25] <AbbyTheRat> you remember the LCD I showed you/
[17:25] <AbbyTheRat> pictures of the*?
[17:25] <blockh34d> yup
[17:25] <AbbyTheRat> that
[17:25] <blockh34d> yah that one looked like a good candidate for hackage
[17:25] <blockh34d> looks like you got a pos, gnd, and some data lines
[17:25] <AbbyTheRat> I would need a part list to put together to connect to the pi
[17:25] <blockh34d> probably one data line, one clock signal
[17:26] <AbbyTheRat> a serial connection
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[17:26] <blockh34d> right so thats pretty standard ya?
[17:27] <blockh34d> maybe you could monitor what signals the real clock sends its display? then mimic
[17:27] <AbbyTheRat> wouldn't know, this is my first eletroic project after all
[17:27] <AbbyTheRat> that was my idea
[17:27] <blockh34d> oh ok yah i'm just guessing my way thorugh it all
[17:27] <blockh34d> well serial connections require a handshake where you establish the baud rate and polarity
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[17:28] <blockh34d> probably 192xxx bps, 8, n, 1
[17:28] <blockh34d> so if you're watching the serial line you gotta watch it right or its gibberish
[17:28] <blockh34d> i dunno its all kinda sketchy
[17:28] <blockh34d> i think you need the advice of a bigger nerd
[17:28] <blockh34d> maybe #electronics ?
[17:28] <blockh34d> they seem pretty knowledgable
[17:29] <blockh34d> but broadly i would suggest getting a sample set of valid data and taking a real close look at it... after that, probably not too hard once you get the actual connection made with rpi output
[17:29] <AbbyTheRat> I'm sure I'll find someone who's knowledgable enough in here after a while :)
[17:29] <blockh34d> yah rpi heads are quite tech savvy
[17:30] <blockh34d> you could always try plugging it in, trying to create a serial connection, and jsut outputing stuff, see what happens
[17:30] <AbbyTheRat> I do remember someone saying that I would need a resister cause the device ouput 5v4
[17:30] <AbbyTheRat> to avoid burning the pi out
[17:30] <blockh34d> but it looks like a fairly fancy thing, probably not super intuitive command set
[17:30] <blockh34d> thats what worries me about retrofitted stuff like that
[17:30] <AbbyTheRat> yeah.. just gotta make sure I record the data cleanly..
[17:30] <blockh34d> it wasn't made for the pi so who knows whats gonna happen
[17:31] <blockh34d> i'd be less worried about it if i felt like you had a stack of pi's sitting there
[17:31] <blockh34d> but i feel like you have one and you'd rather not screw it up
[17:31] <AbbyTheRat> bingo
[17:31] <blockh34d> maybe you could find a serial number on that display and see what kinda pdf's you can dig up
[17:32] <blockh34d> oh thats definaely what to do
[17:32] <AbbyTheRat> tried, no luck
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[17:32] <blockh34d> hmm well i trust your ability to effectively google
[17:32] <blockh34d> normally i would not though, most people can't google to save their life
[17:33] <AbbyTheRat> all the numbers are basically the model name for the clock
[17:33] <blockh34d> did you ask in #sparkfun ?
[17:33] <blockh34d> they love all this kinda stuff
[17:33] <AbbyTheRat> so I just find everything about the clock and none about the hardware
[17:33] <blockh34d> yah but i mean on the actual display unit you removed
[17:33] <blockh34d> maybe it's printed on the circuit board
[17:33] <AbbyTheRat> you saw the picture of it
[17:33] <blockh34d> yah its mostly enclosure right
[17:33] <blockh34d> looked like a sorta shield on it
[17:33] <blockh34d> maybe you could remove that
[17:34] <AbbyTheRat> I attempted to take it a part.. then were like, no.. and put it back together again XD
[17:34] <AbbyTheRat> I don't trust myself to make sure I keep the LCD screen back on right
[17:34] <blockh34d> you're talking about the circular one that could be either clock hands or a digit clock, right?
[17:34] <AbbyTheRat> it's lose under that
[17:34] <blockh34d> yah those lcd's are so super delicate too
[17:34] <AbbyTheRat> they are square screens under that enclousre
[17:34] <blockh34d> right
[17:34] <AbbyTheRat> so I noped out and put it back together again and tested.. phew worked fine
[17:35] <blockh34d> did you search google images for pictuers of things like that, see if maybe you can get a model nubmer that way?
[17:35] <blockh34d> somewhere that display is sold as a modular part i think
[17:35] <blockh34d> the hookups look generic and made for hobbyists basically
[17:35] <blockh34d> corporate world with their custom output stuff seem to like flat ribbon connectors now
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[17:36] <AbbyTheRat> I'll give it a try
[17:37] <blockh34d> i really want to figure out hotswapping picams
[17:38] <blockh34d> i think i might put together some circuits
[17:38] <AbbyTheRat> argghh, I fail!
[17:38] <blockh34d> anyone here know an easy way for me to get those zif sockets like rpi uses for its ribbon connectors?
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[17:39] <SpeedEvil> blockh34d: digikey.com
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[17:39] <blockh34d> yah everytime i try to guess which sockets ot use they're always wrong size lol
[17:39] <blockh34d> not that i've tried for rpi's yet, ust saying for ribbon connectors in general
[17:39] <blockh34d> 100% fail rate at guessing
[17:40] <AbbyTheRat> don't worry, you'll get better at guessing
[17:40] <blockh34d> as budget allows (not much)
[17:40] <AbbyTheRat> I use to 100% fail at googling for obkure stuff.. and I can't spell either
[17:40] <SpeedEvil> I suggest actually measuring.
[17:40] <blockh34d> not a bad plan
[17:40] <blockh34d> i'll give it consideration
[17:41] <AbbyTheRat> look at us, blockh34d.. it's like the blind leading the blind
[17:41] <blockh34d> lol i'm only blindfolded so i can more effectively harness the Force
[17:41] <blockh34d> can't be held back by 'facts' and 'figures'
[17:42] <blockh34d> except for this one time
[17:42] <blockh34d> whats the model nubmer on that clock
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[17:47] <blockh34d> i been looking though google images but nothing really similar. if its square in the housing, how big per side is it?
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[17:55] <AbbyTheRat> hold on, blackjid
[17:55] <AbbyTheRat> ....
[17:55] <AbbyTheRat> blockh34d: *
[17:55] <AbbyTheRat> it's this big, blockh34d *holds it up*
[17:56] <blockh34d> great that narrows it down for me
[17:56] <AbbyTheRat> actually, I found another bunch of numbers
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[17:56] <AbbyTheRat> RP5415A KEY BOARD 94HB 1.6 MM REV:03
[17:56] <- *BlueEagle* help
[17:57] <- *BlueEagle* !help
[17:57] <- *BlueEagle* !hello
[17:57] <AbbyTheRat> this is on one of the boards
[17:57] <AbbyTheRat> oh wait, duh
[17:57] <AbbyTheRat> that's the freaking model name of the clock
[17:57] <blockh34d> ;)
[17:58] <AbbyTheRat> again, it's everywhere
[17:58] <blockh34d> i've been thinking more about lip reading ai
[17:58] <blockh34d> is it out already?
[17:58] <blockh34d> is anyone doing that effectively? it should be happening
[17:59] <AbbyTheRat> looks like it, I did a google seach and found a lot of infomation on it
[17:59] <blockh34d> yah seems like theres some things worth trying there, glad to hear theres some projects going, i'd start one if not
[18:00] <blockh34d> maybe i will anyways if i'm not happy with the results others are getting, but chances are it's better than what i'd make happen for a long while anyways
[18:00] <blockh34d> i have some wavelet-transform based outline recognition stuff i think works pretty well
[18:00] <blockh34d> it can identify letters in the alphabet in typical fonts in any rotation/size
[18:00] <AbbyTheRat> You're so much knowledgable then I am
[18:00] <blockh34d> upside down etc
[18:01] <AbbyTheRat> I'm just starting out on this simple project
[18:01] <blockh34d> thats not accurate i'm sure i just get into coding like a nut
[18:01] <AbbyTheRat> I would of been good if I haven't lost my confident in it
[18:01] <blockh34d> oh good luck, it's fun but expensive hobby sometimes
[18:01] <AbbyTheRat> .. cause of my co-worker
[18:01] <blockh34d> careful careful... much easier to let the magic smoke out than to put it back in!
[18:01] <AbbyTheRat> man, it took a lot of edits to avoid inserting cussing in that line
[18:01] <AbbyTheRat> x_x
[18:01] <blockh34d> haha i bet
[18:01] <blockh34d> yah i've had some run ins like that
[18:02] <AbbyTheRat> I was only 18 at the time
[18:02] <blockh34d> can't let that slow you down imo.
[18:02] <AbbyTheRat> just started working out and stuff and I was too emotional at the time
[18:02] <AbbyTheRat> I never really got back the spark :/
[18:02] <AbbyTheRat> I'm 28 now
[18:02] <blockh34d> i know thats easier to say than to do sometimes but in the end, doesnt matter. if its hard to do, its even more important you do it. so one way or the other...
[18:02] <blockh34d> its not getting any easier
[18:03] <AbbyTheRat> I am aware
[18:03] <AbbyTheRat> but at the time
[18:03] <blockh34d> yah soemteims its a bitter pill
[18:03] <AbbyTheRat> I was stuffering a lot of depression
[18:03] <AbbyTheRat> and worse
[18:03] <blockh34d> good that you can, some folks hit a bump like that and over time, it becomes a wall
[18:03] <blockh34d> maybe we all do that some
[18:03] <blockh34d> yah depression gets me too
[18:03] <AbbyTheRat> maybe but I had it a lot
[18:03] <blockh34d> but i'm in america, its our pasttime now
[18:04] <AbbyTheRat> I'm getting over it but it'll haunt me forever
[18:04] <blockh34d> thats why i like rpi's so much
[18:04] <AbbyTheRat> even as I made steps to be better
[18:04] <blockh34d> they give me a little hope
[18:04] <AbbyTheRat> awesome :)
[18:04] <blockh34d> it wasn't made by child slaves!
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[18:04] <blockh34d> i don't care if it barely adds 2+2, i will figure out how to make the most of it
[18:04] <blockh34d> and be the greatest salesman for it i can be just as long as that remains true
[18:05] <blockh34d> and lets face it, its adds 2+2 just fine... actually a very capable machine, in the right scenarios
[18:05] <grrrrpi> i'm trying to tunnel gstreamer over ssh. Anyone know why "ssh -f -L 5001: remoteuser@remoteip <command>" works but when I do "ssh -f -L 5001: remoteuser@remoteip -N" and ssh in to do the command it doesn't tunnel correctly?
[18:06] <blockh34d> hmm
[18:06] <AbbyTheRat> blockh34d: okie.. I'm going to take all the plastic stuff off
[18:06] <blockh34d> when i was doing that i kinda remember using mplayer + netcat
[18:06] <AbbyTheRat> and leave it completely bare from now.. this is going to be fun
[18:06] <blockh34d> take care gl!
[18:06] <AbbyTheRat> *looks for a box to keep it safe in, away from the kid*
[18:06] <blockh34d> wash your hands and ground to a metal post
[18:07] <AbbyTheRat> I've done it before, when I was looking at why certain controls weren't working and put it back together again
[18:07] <blockh34d> or at least discharge i mean
[18:07] <AbbyTheRat> that's when I had the idea of using the LCD clock face
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[18:10] <AbbyTheRat> yeah, I should
[18:10] <AbbyTheRat> I live too dangerous
[18:13] <AbbyTheRat> oh this is annoying, I didn't put my screwdriver back into the box
[18:15] <blockh34d> have you seen the pressure clip tools people use to professionally disassemble things like your clock etc?
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[18:16] <blockh34d> it looks like a spatula basically, i bet you could make one in a pinch, might make life a little easier and less likely to damage the housing than a screw driver
[18:16] <AbbyTheRat> find a linkie, please?
[18:16] <blockh34d> k sec
[18:16] <AbbyTheRat> and brb, need restroom
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[18:18] <AbbyTheRat> I return
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[18:19] <blockh34d> found something second i'll type the link
[18:19] <AbbyTheRat> type? no copy/paste?
[18:19] <blockh34d> www.repairsuniverse.com/prytools.html
[18:20] <blockh34d> well i surf on different machine
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[18:20] <blockh34d> see you push that thing around the edges and it disengages those little clips
[18:20] <blockh34d> safer than using a knife on you and the housing
[18:20] <AbbyTheRat> yeah, I've been meaning to get one of those for a long time
[18:20] <AbbyTheRat> ha
[18:21] <AbbyTheRat> I just never thought about it when I wasn't working on things,
[18:21] <blockh34d> it looks really similar to a bike tube changing tool
[18:21] <blockh34d> for getting a tube back on a rim
[18:21] <blockh34d> i bet you could sharpen up one of those
[18:21] <AbbyTheRat> I know, I use to work with my dad in a bike shop ^_^;
[18:21] <AbbyTheRat> brown board
[18:22] <AbbyTheRat> man, why can't they stick with the green all the way
[18:22] <blockh34d> gotta be different
[18:22] <blockh34d> i like sparkfuns red theme
[18:22] <AbbyTheRat> ahhh!!! old glue falling apart!
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[18:23] <blockh34d> just lucky i'm not incharge of the colors or it'd all be bright orange
[18:23] <blockh34d> uh oh
[18:23] <AbbyTheRat> ehh.. .. eh.. screw that
[18:23] <AbbyTheRat> it's just a coiled rod for the radiowaves
[18:24] <blockh34d> yah
[18:24] <blockh34d> that's probably pretty delicate
[18:24] <blockh34d> a little wire coil etc
[18:25] <AbbyTheRat> yeah, it's just falling away from it's housing
[18:25] <AbbyTheRat> but it's not what I care about
[18:25] <AbbyTheRat> it's the LCD clock face I care about
[18:25] <AbbyTheRat> its*
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[18:30] <blockh34d> no goin back now! lol its a pivotal step in your appliances progression from product to parts
[18:30] <blockh34d> trick is making sure you get the parts, otherwise you just converted your possession into junk, and that's really not very magical
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[18:31] <blockh34d> but if you can go from parts back to new possession, especially new, custom one like you're talking... now thats got the magic
[18:31] * AbbyTheRat puts it back together
[18:31] <Scriptonaut> hey guys, I'm trying arch for the first time on raspberry pi
[18:31] <blockh34d> you know those displays really don't cost a whole lot right?
[18:31] <Scriptonaut> I need a tiling manager
[18:31] <AbbyTheRat> there, it's together sorta on a stand but without the cover
[18:31] <blockh34d> yah how do you like it?
[18:32] <blockh34d> i havent tried it yet
[18:32] <Scriptonaut> all I have is a 4GB sd card
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[18:32] <Scriptonaut> I was hoping one of you could recommend one to me
[18:32] <AbbyTheRat> should still power it up fine
[18:32] <Scriptonaut> a tiling manager that is
[18:32] <blockh34d> i just talked to a person about how they are running out of space on 4gb, but i don't know what they were using
[18:32] <blockh34d> 4gb does not sound like enough to me but maybe arch is light?
[18:33] <Scriptonaut> arch is only 180MB
[18:33] <Scriptonaut> I ran raspbian with the desktop environment on it fine
[18:33] <blockh34d> sounds like it'd work then
[18:33] <Scriptonaut> but I wasn't a fan of it
[18:33] <blockh34d> when though?
[18:33] <Scriptonaut> oh, over a year ago
[18:33] <blockh34d> recent raspbian update is pretty snazzy
[18:33] <blockh34d> yah now the desktop has some sorta hw accel
[18:33] <Scriptonaut> just pulled out my rpi and blew the dust off it
[18:33] <blockh34d> as of dec 24 2013 i believe
[18:33] <Scriptonaut> ah
[18:34] <blockh34d> also i made a neat little gui for omxplayer that i think adds a lot of value to raspbian as a media center
[18:34] <Scriptonaut> well just for fun I wanna try out arch. Was hoping somebody had tried a tiling manager and could recommend, or maybe the arch channel is more appropriate
[18:34] <blockh34d> its got playlists and buttons and a realtime fullscreen toggle, but its very lightweight. I need beta testers if you'd like a copy
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[18:34] <blockh34d> well someone here will know sooner or later i'm sure
[18:35] <blockh34d> i think raspbian might be worth another look
[18:35] <blockh34d> i found it worlds better after that update i mentioned
[18:35] <Scriptonaut> I downloaded both
[18:35] <Scriptonaut> raspbian and arch
[18:35] <blockh34d> i should get an arch setup
[18:35] <Scriptonaut> I've never used arch before, I'm going to try it out just to see what all the fuss is about
[18:35] <blockh34d> see if my game works for it etc
[18:36] <blockh34d> if you're talking terminal apps, does it matter what os runs it?
[18:36] <blockh34d> cause my game uses pi3d which doesnt need X for anything
[18:36] <AbbyTheRat> okie, that's the clock stored away for safety
[18:36] <blockh34d> no casualties?
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[18:37] <AbbyTheRat> no casualties other then the glue falling apart
[18:37] <blockh34d> ah lil hotglue would proly do in a pinch
[18:37] <blockh34d> its usually about what they use anyways. you have a hot glue gun?
[18:37] <AbbyTheRat> yeah but I'd be storing that part
[18:38] <AbbyTheRat> I don't have much
[18:38] <blockh34d> they don't cost much and might be a handy tool
[18:38] <AbbyTheRat> I only just came out of a bad fineional situation
[18:38] <blockh34d> yah i understand
[18:38] <AbbyTheRat> couldn't even spend the 35 for pi x_x;
[18:38] <blockh34d> well its the kind of thing that pays for itself sometimes fyi
[18:38] <blockh34d> maybe 5$ or less at dollar store
[18:39] <AbbyTheRat> yeah.. even that was out
[18:39] <blockh34d> with care, you can use it for most parts of a sort of hobbyist level project assembly
[18:39] <AbbyTheRat> that's how bad it was!
[18:39] <blockh34d> using just junk and glue
[18:39] <blockh34d> yah... bummer. hope you get that improved soon!
[18:39] <AbbyTheRat> bills and a small bit of food for a few months
[18:39] <AbbyTheRat> it has :)
[18:39] <blockh34d> i've had some real bad financial times myself
[18:39] <blockh34d> but i just try to keep in mind how relative it all is
[18:40] <AbbyTheRat> just gotta rebuild stuff
[18:40] <AbbyTheRat> like pay down the debt that grew during the bad times and stuff
[18:40] <blockh34d> even living on the street, i still had access to America, which means theres basically enough trash to make a nice living, people just can't be bothered to sort/properly scrap it
[18:40] <blockh34d> so i got in with the freegan crowd, and we went dumpster diving, fun times
[18:40] <AbbyTheRat> which is why I'm not getting the next LCD utnil next paycheck
[18:41] <AbbyTheRat> nice :D
[18:41] <blockh34d> i found a small mountain of free wood from a air conditioner place, and built a nifty lil shack in abandoned public land
[18:41] <blockh34d> lived there for two years working on my opengl bird-life simulation game
[18:41] <gordonDrogon>
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[18:41] <blockh34d> i feel like i was occupying 6 monthes before that was a thing
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[18:42] <Scriptonaut> hey guys, I keep getting error -110
[18:42] <blockh34d> fun times... soon enough, i'll do it again but a little different. I'll own some land this time
[18:42] <Scriptonaut> even when I just wrote a fresh arch img to it
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[18:42] <gordonDrogon> -110. Nice.
[18:43] <blockh34d> whats that one mean?
[18:43] <gordonDrogon> I've no idea .
[18:43] <Scriptonaut> do you know what that one is?
[18:43] <AbbyTheRat> yeah, I would love to have my hand on building a house
[18:43] <AbbyTheRat> cheaper to ownland and build on it, right?
[18:43] <blockh34d> sounds 1 more dramatic than error -111 though
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[18:43] <blockh34d> maybe not as critical as -109
[18:44] <AbbyTheRat> Scriptonaut: what it is?
[18:44] <blockh34d> yah absolutely
[18:44] <blockh34d> i've found theres an abundance of free lumber if you know where to look
[18:44] <gordonDrogon> I'd no idea programs still outputted error numbers these days...
[18:44] <blockh34d> free processed 2x4s i mean
[18:44] <blockh34d> its retro
[18:44] <blockh34d> mine outputs error gang symbols
[18:44] <Scriptonaut> AbbyTheRat I'm not sure what the error is
[18:44] <blockh34d> in ascii art
[18:45] <blockh34d> j/k but that'd be cool
[18:45] <gordonDrogon> Scriptonaut, what are you running when it prints that error?
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[18:45] <blockh34d> my original intro screen was much more anarchy themed
[18:45] <blockh34d> i toned it down a smidge
[18:46] <Scriptonaut> it shows that error for both raspbian and arch
[18:46] <gordonDrogon> Scriptonaut, what does?
[18:47] <AbbyTheRat> error -111
[18:49] <Scriptonaut> -110
[18:49] <Scriptonaut> not -111
[18:49] <Scriptonaut> the screen does
[18:49] <blockh34d> lol i just made up -111 and -109 for lack of better wit
[18:49] <blockh34d> maybe they exist but its all greek to me
[18:50] <gordonDrogon> Scriptonaut, sorry - you're really going to have to give us more to go on. we can't see your screen, nor read your mind.
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[18:54] <Scriptonaut> I power the machine on, it starts to boot, and then it says error -110 while initilising SD card
[18:54] <Scriptonaut> and repeats the error indefinitely
[18:54] <Scriptonaut> every second or so
[18:54] <Scriptonaut> I'm trying to format the card and see if that helps
[18:55] <AbbyTheRat> Scriptonaut: worth trying
[18:56] <gordonDrogon> ok - yes, sounds like a bad SD image. or a bad SD card, even.
[18:57] <gordonDrogon> but if the SD card seems OK to you, then the next thing to check is the power - make sure you're using a decent power source.
[18:57] <blockh34d> Scriptonaut: oh that should have been step one
[18:57] <blockh34d> Scriptonaut: can you use the formatter utility SD card company released? the standard one i guess?
[18:57] <Scriptonaut> that's the one I used
[18:57] <Scriptonaut> I'm rewriting an image
[18:57] <blockh34d> i think if you use that, and then unzip the NOOBS files onto the card, you should be good to go
[18:57] <Scriptonaut> I swear I've used this card in the past though
[18:58] <Scriptonaut> I'll try NOOBS next
[18:58] <blockh34d> oh i would, its so easy and nice to use i think
[18:58] <blockh34d> well down util
[18:58] <blockh34d> well done even
[18:58] <blockh34d> you don't have to have all the OS's on it, you can make a NOOBS image with just raspbian/arch
[18:59] <blockh34d> but it will eat up some of your sd card forever :(
[18:59] <blockh34d> for backup/restore sorta thing
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[19:02] <blockh34d> well i gotta find food and toil for a while
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[19:04] <Scriptonaut> damn, so apparently formatting it just broke it even more
[19:04] <Scriptonaut> now it doesn't even start to boot
[19:05] <Scriptonaut> before it recognized all the hardware
[19:05] <Scriptonaut> then gave me 110
[19:05] <AbbyTheRat> do you have another SD?
[19:05] <Scriptonaut> ya but it seems to be broken, when I put it in it doesnt' even boot
[19:05] <Scriptonaut> gotta reboot brb
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[19:07] <JoshBlease> Does anyone know how to control the iphone musix app with a raspberry pi?
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[19:07] <JoshBlease> I want to add a few simple push buttons in my car to enable me to skip, pause and do other music actions
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[19:09] <blockh34d> what runs the musix app?
[19:09] <blockh34d> oh iphone
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[19:10] <blockh34d> yah i dunno but i bet theres a python module for it
[19:10] <blockh34d> seems like theres a python module for absolutely everything ever
[19:10] <blockh34d> import antigravity
[19:10] <blockh34d> really works, you'll start floating
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[19:15] <strk> X output works too \o/
[19:15] <strk> but XBMC doesn't
[19:15] <strk> it actually kills the display
[19:15] <strk> pity
[19:16] <strk> does anyone know if there's a commandline switch to ask xbmc not to change display resolution ?
[19:18] <blockh34d> have not used xbmc at all yet
[19:18] <blockh34d> it starts by commandline? i though it was sort of its own OS...
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[19:19] <blockh34d> if it runs like a normal app would heck i might try it
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[19:23] <strk> blockh34d: on the laptop I used it as a windowed application
[19:23] <strk> but I'm afraid the default is runnign fullscreen and you have to configure it to run windowed
[19:24] <lvispy> anyone lucky poporn-time?
[19:24] <blockh34d> yah if i had to guess i'd say look for little config files not command line option but i have no idea how xbmc does anything
[19:24] <blockh34d> just seems like rpi runs on little config txt files
[19:24] <blockh34d> lvispy: ?
[19:25] <strk> I've no keyboard so what I'm doing is ssh into rpi and seeing output on VGA display, then startx (worked!) and then run xbmc (both with no DISPLAY and with DISPLAY=:0.0) which crashes and turns the monitor blank
[19:25] <blockh34d> what about xbmc without the startx?
[19:25] <lvispy> blockh34d anyone successfully ran popcorn-time on rpi?
[19:25] <lvispy> https://github.com/popcorn-team/popcorn-app
[19:25] <blockh34d> never tried it
[19:25] <strk> I also tried that blockh34d, same blank display problem, and crash report (terminate called after xxy)
[19:26] <blockh34d> strk lol just try my app already its so much easier
[19:26] <blockh34d> 'play' <done>
[19:26] <lvispy> there's no arm port :(
[19:26] <strk> I don't have anything to play
[19:26] <blockh34d> plays everything in the current folder
[19:26] <strk> need to get streaming video sites :)
[19:26] <blockh34d> oh thats right
[19:26] <blockh34d> i forgot n/m
[19:26] <blockh34d> ok well soon enough i'll setup a generic scraping plugin, cause that would be pretty handy
[19:26] <strk> probably best to first finish the network setup
[19:27] <blockh34d> is there a xbmc chan? might be worth a look
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[19:27] <strk> I've read popcorn-time would be similar to xbmc, is that right lvispy ?
[19:28] <lvispy> no, more like netflix using torrent
[19:28] <lvispy> it works on nodejs
[19:28] <blockh34d> ohh i been thinking that would make a neat sorta plugin for my player
[19:29] <blockh34d> i was thinking plugins for things like media library, torrent, even chat/net linked playback, that sounds like it'd be perfect
[19:30] <blockh34d> wonder if they have an api i could call
[19:31] <blockh34d> i'm trying to make a text-mode only interface to that same sort of information
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[19:33] <blockh34d> lvispy: do you (or anyone) know of any players that link playback across a network? so everyone was watching in unison etc?
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[19:33] <blockh34d> does anyone else think that sounds like a cool feature? i keep wondering if its worth the effort
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[19:34] <lvispy> blockh34d i have no idea
[19:34] <lvispy> i tried airplay once
[19:34] <blockh34d> is it like that?
[19:35] <blockh34d> i like the idea of a irc channel with a linked movie
[19:35] <blockh34d> and in that channel, everyone is watching that movie and more or less at the same moment, like a tv channel basically
[19:35] <blockh34d> but then people could chat about it and i think it'd be like mst3k
[19:35] <lvispy> airplay is like you stream what you're playing from your iphone/computer to something
[19:35] <blockh34d> oh yah thats right i think i tried that alittle
[19:36] <blockh34d> pretty nicely made if i remember, but ultimately not what i needed
[19:36] <lvispy> blockh34d what are you planning to do?
[19:36] <blockh34d> popcorn-time looks really cool i'm gonna try it
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[19:36] <blockh34d> well i have a player-gui i made for omxplayer and i'm trying to make it better
[19:37] <blockh34d> it plays videos and has a playlist/volume sliders/progress bar/etc all the standard stuff... but it runs in text mode so you can use it normally, in X, or via tty
[19:37] <blockh34d> still has a sorta asciiart gui though, uses curses for mouse input
[19:37] <blockh34d> i just think its aneat way to do stuff on rpi since its so 'cheap' (0.3% cpu here, for the gui)
[19:38] <blockh34d> so i think plugins would be cool, and popcorn time sounds like it'd be great
[19:38] <lvispy> yeah sure
[19:38] <blockh34d> btw i need beta testers and have a totally usable app right now
[19:38] <blockh34d> if you'd like a copy msg me your email and i'll send it over
[19:38] <lvispy> blockh34d popcorn-time is even more aewsome cuz you choose a movie and you're watching
[19:38] <blockh34d> or it'll proly be in pi store soon enough when they approve it, its free. Scamp is the name
[19:38] <blockh34d> yah exactly its nice and simple looking
[19:39] <blockh34d> thats my top priority, ease of use
[19:39] <lvispy> blockh34d i can test, do you have any github ou wiki for it?
[19:39] <blockh34d> you can go to a folder with media and type play and it crawls the folder and all subfolders, enques everythign into a playlist, optionally shuffles it and starts playing
[19:39] <blockh34d> no cause i'm not 100% sure i'm going open source with it immediately
[19:40] <blockh34d> i might commercialize some version of it in the future, but i'll always give away at least basic video player functionality
[19:40] <blockh34d> sold versions would be for stuff like remote projector management, or playing a video across mulitple displays, tricky advanced stuff etc
[19:40] <lvispy> why not?
[19:40] <blockh34d> theres kind of a big market for projector/advertising display management
[19:41] <blockh34d> i wouldnt mind making some money... I'm so broke, all the time
[19:41] <blockh34d> so i think maybe i keep it closed source for at least some period of time, make a buck, then go open source
[19:41] <blockh34d> if i had a viable income stream i wouldnt but i don't, i basically mooch off my parents and i'd like to stop
[19:42] <strk> perfect, I locked myself out trying to set static IP. what a lamer
[19:42] <strk> hadn't tought about setting the wireless that way first...
[19:42] <blockh34d> ouch strk, yeah been there
[19:42] <strk> no keyboard, so game over. will get back once I have a keyboard lol
[19:42] <blockh34d> lvispy i duno i'm really torn i hate for-profit software
[19:43] <blockh34d> but i also hate being a financial burden
[19:43] <blockh34d> maybe more than i care what open-source elitists think of me ;) anyone reasonable could understand the need for some sort of income
[19:43] <blockh34d> not that you are said elitist btw... just that they're out there and i'm sure the mention of profit really hackles their hairs
[19:44] <lvispy> just asking
[19:44] <lvispy> no big deal
[19:44] <blockh34d> yah thanks, i've sorta thought about it a lot
[19:44] <blockh34d> i really hate everything about money
[19:44] <blockh34d> but i don't know how to exist without it
[19:44] <lvispy> haha
[19:44] <blockh34d> i really have tried hard
[19:45] <blockh34d> probably harder than is reasonable
[19:45] <lvispy> how can i test it btw?
[19:45] <blockh34d> just tell me where to send a copy
[19:45] <blockh34d> i could post it but i'm lazy, emails easier for me if you don't mind. i wont spam you promise
[19:45] <strk> \o/ worked on reboot
[19:45] <strk> 64 bytes from icmp_req=1 ttl=64 time=191 ms
[19:45] <strk> :)
[19:45] <lvispy> blockh34d sent my email in pvt
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[19:47] <strk> alright, so now wireless time
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[19:52] <strk> uhm, it's unstable
[19:53] <strk> dhcp worked better, why ?!
[19:53] <strk> oh, a conflict with the asus wlan adapter
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[19:53] <strk> or just with anything that takes power from the usb ?
[19:53] <strk> I've this Wireless AP WL-330 from Asus
[19:54] <strk> can be powered via USB
[19:54] <strk> as soon as I connect it to the rpi, the rpi stops responding to pings
[19:54] <strk> curious
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[19:55] <strk> pings again on disconnect
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[19:58] <blockh34d> my wifi dongle crashes my pi on disconnect
[19:58] <blockh34d> its magical
[19:58] <blockh34d> if i unplug it i mean
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[20:11] <Raynerd> AbbyTheRat - you about. There is an issue with the logic of the code we discussed last night! Really interesting!
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[20:13] <Raynerd> We were trying to code the grid so you can only select a square above, below, left or right of the current selected square. If you remember the idea was to sum up the x y coordinates and check it doesn`t increase my more than 1 - which is theory works well.
[20:14] <Raynerd> However, imagine selecting square 10,6 and then 11,4 both a distance away from one another yet the difference is no greater than 1 and so is an acceptable selection according to the code.
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[20:21] <zaccanasta> hi guys, i need to compile a module on pidora but raspberrypi-kernel-devel is empty
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[21:10] <AbbyTheRat> mhm
[21:10] <AbbyTheRat> I know, Raynerd
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[21:11] <AbbyTheRat> I saw the logic of that happening when you were working on it, I let you figure it out, Raynerd XD
[21:12] <AbbyTheRat> what you could do, to keep your old logic working nicely, is to work out the change seperately, do abs, then any changes will add up
[21:15] <gordonDrogon> what are you up to with grids?
[21:15] <gordonDrogon> (just curious)
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[21:16] <AbbyTheRat> he's making a game with some .. students of his?
[21:16] <AbbyTheRat> on the raspberry pi
[21:16] <gordonDrogon> ok
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[21:17] <AbbyTheRat> he's a chemistry teacher
[21:17] <AbbyTheRat> but I don't remember if he said they were students or just some children
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[21:19] * blockh34d still thinks we should drag Raynerd through the trenches at breakneck pace
[21:19] <blockh34d> its terrifying but at the end of it you know way more and can get to the real meat of stuff
[21:19] <blockh34d> but AbbyTheRat your approach is very noble!
[21:19] <AbbyTheRat> I feel soooo crappy
[21:19] <blockh34d> its how teaching aught to be
[21:20] <blockh34d> like ill or ?
[21:20] <AbbyTheRat> ill
[21:20] <AbbyTheRat> I got what my kid has
[21:20] <AbbyTheRat> or had.. not sure.. he seems better
[21:20] <AbbyTheRat> he was sick for 2 weeks
[21:20] <AbbyTheRat> parvo virus
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[21:22] <blockh34d> aw that sucks i hope you get better soon
[21:22] <blockh34d> my cureall is pretzels and water
[21:22] <blockh34d> but maybe you gotta kick it up a notch to chicken soup?
[21:23] <AbbyTheRat> so far, it not been bad as a cold
[21:23] <AbbyTheRat> but I get the feeling it's going to be very long lasting
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[21:24] <AbbyTheRat> I'm just glad I don' thave a dog
[21:25] <blockh34d> i can't imagine life without a dog
[21:25] <blockh34d> i'm rather doglike as far as people go
[21:26] <blockh34d> my favorite philosopher and pretty much favorite human of all time is Diogenes the Dog
[21:26] <blockh34d> he started pretty much everything thats good imo
[21:26] <blockh34d> i dont even think he meant to but it happened
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[21:29] <gordonDrogon> I just have chickens.
[21:29] <blockh34d> i'm jealous
[21:29] <gordonDrogon> the thought of having to pick up warm dog poo really really puts me off having a dog.
[21:29] <blockh34d> someday soon i will have chickens, and a goat hopefully :)
[21:29] <gordonDrogon> I'd have a cat but wifey is alergic )-:
[21:29] <blockh34d> thats why you get a back yard and a rake ;)
[21:30] <gordonDrogon> Mmmm curry goat.
[21:30] <blockh34d> instead of getting a cat you could just stop flushing
[21:30] <blockh34d> its almost the same
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[21:30] <gordonDrogon> not sure I get your drift there.
[21:30] <blockh34d> i figured the goat would be for cheese/milk
[21:30] <blockh34d> its a quote from that 70s show
[21:30] <blockh34d> implies that cats are dirty and stink
[21:31] <blockh34d> i own two but they are dirty and they stink
[21:31] <gordonDrogon> Oh.
[21:31] <gordonDrogon> We had cats before. they were clean, but went out.
[21:31] <blockh34d> wife wants a cat, husband suggests that instead they should just stop flushing
[21:31] <gordonDrogon> well the old one did start to smell towards the end, but that's what happens to very old cats. she's was 22 (ish).
[21:32] <blockh34d> mine are young they're just jerks
[21:32] <blockh34d> spray and poop indoors
[21:32] <blockh34d> generally ungrateful
[21:32] <gordonDrogon> you stop them spraying by having them fixed...
[21:32] <blockh34d> at least my dogs give me a guilty look
[21:32] <blockh34d> i know i keep meaning to
[21:32] <gordonDrogon> and you stop them pooping indoors by removing their litter tray and giving them a cat flap.
[21:33] <blockh34d> cat flap probably not a good idea around here
[21:33] <gordonDrogon> don't keep cats then.
[21:33] <blockh34d> alley rats, not to mention the crackheads
[21:33] <blockh34d> yah i got schnukered into it by ex gf
[21:34] <blockh34d> she said she was gonna take the kittens up to the shelter so i took one and then figured two would be more fun for the one
[21:34] <blockh34d> she didn't know they kill them
[21:34] <blockh34d> so these would be some dead kittens if i hadn't adopted em. you'd think they'd be a little more greatful but oh well lol
[21:35] <blockh34d> i got a big yard for em.... they're mostly outdoor cats now unless the weather is bad
[21:37] <[Saint]> Ha!
[21:37] <blockh34d> hi [Saint]
[21:37] <[Saint]> *You* adopted *them*, that's cute. ;)
[21:37] <blockh34d> hahaha
[21:37] <blockh34d> yes thats exactly how they see it too
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[21:37] <blockh34d> they poop in my shoes just so i know who's in charge
[21:38] <[Saint]> I got a severed bird head the other day.
[21:38] <[Saint]> Pretty sure it was a threat...
[21:38] <blockh34d> you must have been good
[21:38] <blockh34d> no that was a human treat
[21:38] <blockh34d> a present
[21:38] <gordonDrogon> if you must keep them indoors, then give them a litter tray then - they'll soon use that. and get decent litter too.
[21:38] <blockh34d> if it was a threat you would have woke up with it in your mouth :P
[21:39] <blockh34d> they have litter tray they're just jerks
[21:39] <blockh34d> one is anyways, the other is pretty nice
[21:39] <blockh34d> they grew up in the woods, with me
[21:39] <blockh34d> i lived like wild nature man a while, so did they
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[21:43] <Joel> how do I change from LDXE+openbox to jsut openbox?
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[21:45] <[Saint]> Doesn't the login manager offer that as a choice for the session on LXDE?
[21:45] <Joel> Yeah, but I want to skip the login manager.
[21:45] <[Saint]> Its been too long since I've used a DE>
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[21:47] <[Saint]> Just regular 'ol apt-get purge lxde should do it.
[21:47] <[Saint]> (purge is needed to wipe out leftover config)
[21:48] <[Saint]> But, that may be a bit drastic.
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[21:48] <[Saint]> That'll take all the additional LXDE goodies with it too.
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[21:54] <[Saint]> Looks like I solved my battery drain woes.
[21:54] <[Saint]> 13 hours idle, 100% connectivity, 1% drain.
[21:54] <[Saint]> I can live with that indeed.
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[22:13] <[Saint]> "One Billion Android Devices Open To Privilege Escalation"
[22:13] <[Saint]> ...doesn't that just give you a warm fuzzy feeling. :-S
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[22:15] <[Saint]> I'm pretty sure that everything I own that is pre-4.4.2 is either dead, disabled, or given away - so, I'm cool. I guess.
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[22:28] <_ynk> hello, where is a good place to get (preferably cheap) model B made in the UK, that ships internationally?
[22:28] <_ynk> also how can I make sure it's UK made and not china made.
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[22:33] <Taylor> Is there a reason you're wanting UK made over China, _ynk?
[22:34] <_ynk> Taylor: yes, I rather support the UK economy rather than China's. even in such a small scale
[22:35] <_ynk> haha... to be honest -- I just heard UK crafted should be better. I bet it's not so correct, but why take the chances?
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[22:41] <[Saint]> There's absolutely no difference whatsoever.
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[22:41] <[Saint]> If anything, I would expect China made to be of superior quality - due to the fact that massive scale fabrication is not a new thing there by a long shot.
[22:42] <[Saint]> (and pretty much all the components come from there anyway)
[22:42] <_ynk> ok, so then I'll forget about the origin of the one I order if doesn't matter. thanks for the explanation btw.
[22:42] <_ynk> I've done some online searching and found ModMyPi - anyone has experience with them?
[22:43] <[Saint]> Go through Farnell or E13
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[22:43] <[Saint]> 13? 14? ...one of the two.
[22:43] <_ynk> e13?
[22:43] <_ynk> oh, e14, that's it
[22:43] <[Saint]> Both ship internationally.
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[22:44] <_ynk> i tried to order from them at first, but they won't let me buy directly from them. they redirect me to resellers. and modmypi is in the list. I might just go with them then
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[22:45] <[Saint]> I went via Farnell iirc.
[22:45] <[Saint]> They shipped to NZ is 3 days.
[22:45] <[Saint]> s/is/in/
[22:46] <_ynk> s/is/in/?
[22:46] <[Saint]> They shipped to NZ *in* 3 days.
[22:46] <[Saint]> Sorry, regex'ing IRC. Bad habbit.
[22:46] <_ynk> ah, sorry for failing to see it, not much of a regex person haha
[22:49] <_ynk> ok something else now, hopefully I am not annoying the hell out of anyone :-p. I saw online some printable fold-up cases... are they any good?
[22:51] <[Saint]> Without knowing any more information than that, its kinda impossible to pass judgement.
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[22:51] <_ynk> fair enough
[22:51] <_ynk> http://h2database.com/raspi/
[22:51] <[Saint]> The raspberry pis used to come in a soft-of case, but, they don't seem to any more. Kinda sad.
[22:52] <_ynk> and there's also that: http://www.raspberrypi.org/archives/1310
[22:52] <[Saint]> They used to come in a pink plastic box that made an awesome case.
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[22:52] <[Saint]> But now they seem to come in a cardboard box with a plastic wrap.
[22:52] <[Saint]> Cost sutting perhaps?
[22:52] <[Saint]> *cutting, even
[22:53] <[Saint]> Pimoroni make *great* cases. Built to last. Rugged. Brilliant designed. Great aesthetics.
[22:53] <[Saint]> Check 'em out.
[22:53] <Xark> [Saint]: Hmm, my first came in a small barely padded envelope. The others all came in a small white box (later ones have a logo on it, but it was pure white initially).
[22:53] <_ynk> i'll take a look
[22:53] <[Saint]> One sec. I'll get a photo of it, Xark.
[22:54] * Xark ordered some early Raspberry Pi stickers and Ebon signed the customs forms (before he had vassals to do that). :)
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[22:54] <_ynk> [Saint]: looks cool, though my personal liking is something as minimalistic as possible. Also I'd like to have some DIY! :-)
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[22:56] <[Saint]> Xark: _ynk: http://imgur.com/7YvXrLE
[22:56] <[Saint]> That's how they used to come.
[22:57] <[Saint]> Excuse the photograph. I sneezed.
[22:57] <Xark> [Saint]: Interesting. I guess I have seen a pic of those before, but I guess all my RPi's were from Element14 or Adafruit (not RS).
[22:57] <[Saint]> In case you can't see the detail there's Farnell's logo, then Raspberry Pi ZFoundation's logo, then Allied Electronics logo.
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[22:58] <[Saint]> I have seen many people melt holes in them with a soldering iron to accept cables when shut.
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[22:59] <[Saint]> They're quite rugged. I suspect cost cutting and production time was a factor in dropping it. I dunno.
[22:59] <_ynk> [Saint]: That's cool.
[22:59] <[Saint]> I bought a bunch pretty early on, and they all have that same pink case.
[23:00] <Xark> [Saint]: I got a "day one" Pi, but no pink case. I think it was a distributor thing...
[23:00] <[Saint]> "I spy with my little eye, something beginning with...soldering iron burn on top of my desk, errr, I mean, "s""
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[23:01] <[Saint]> Whoops - probably should've stripped EXIF data from that. Meh.
[23:01] * [Saint] prepares for the drone strike.
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[23:02] <Xark> [Saint]: You would think Imgur might help with that...
[23:02] <[Saint]> Oh. Its pointing at a neighbors place. Carry on.
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[23:17] <_ynk> Well, ordered my (first) pi :-)
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[23:28] <AbbyTheRat> woo
[23:28] <AbbyTheRat> and oops
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[23:28] <AbbyTheRat> there is a UK reseller
[23:28] <AbbyTheRat> but I only just got back fro mhaving a shower with kid
[23:29] <AbbyTheRat> _ynk: good luck and have fun with your first pi :D
[23:29] <AbbyTheRat> I'm having fun with my first pi
[23:29] <_ynk> AbbyTheRat: oh, thanks :-D
[23:29] <_ynk> AbbyTheRat: what did you do with it?
[23:30] <AbbyTheRat> I only just started I plan to turn out an alarm clock with it
[23:30] <AbbyTheRat> is an extremely simple answer
[23:30] <AbbyTheRat> seriously, I should pastebin my answer oneday so I don't have to keep repeating myself XD
[23:31] <_ynk> mm only an alarm clock though? :O
[23:31] <AbbyTheRat> nope
[23:31] <AbbyTheRat> it's what I adding together
[23:31] <_ynk> what do you mean?
[23:32] <AbbyTheRat> short answer, google calendar, weather update, connection to a viberating pad, pill reminder, LCD display
[23:32] <_ynk> that sounds more like it :-p
[23:33] <_ynk> I plan to use the one I got as a personal home server, for web/email/ftp/irc
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[23:33] <AbbyTheRat> ever done a cluster
[23:33] <AbbyTheRat> ?
[23:34] <_ynk> nope
[23:34] <_ynk> I'm overall a newbie
[23:34] <AbbyTheRat> pi is a reasonable way to learn clustering
[23:34] <AbbyTheRat> although not the best way
[23:34] <_ynk> clustering = combining some pi's together for a similar purpose?
[23:35] <AbbyTheRat> yes
[23:35] <_ynk> oh
[23:35] <AbbyTheRat> for example, a web server, 1 pi on top as a load balancer
[23:35] <_ynk> and with what software can that be done? (I haven't done reading on the topic, so I guess googling it will give good results)
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[23:35] <AbbyTheRat> then each pi contains the same stuff
[23:35] <[Saint]> _ynk: be aware that this thing makes a pretty poor fileserver.
[23:36] <_ynk> [Saint]: how come? for personal use, btw
[23:36] <[Saint]> Network/USB shared over a single USB bus == piss poor throughput
[23:36] <AbbyTheRat> http://raspberrywebserver.com/raspberrypicluster/raspberry-pi-cluster.html
[23:36] <[Saint]> If you don't need it to be fast or reliable...then, sure. Its a great fileserver.
[23:36] <_ynk> AbbyTheRat: thanks, I'll read that
[23:36] <celesteh> hello, I'm trying to build supercollider on a 4gig raspberrypi card running raspian and i've run out of space. Obviously, I need a bigger sd card, but in the meantime, i'm wonderng what to uninstall to get rid of wolfram and mathematica?
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[23:37] <_ynk> [Saint]: Not fast, though why isn't it reliable?
[23:37] <[Saint]> _ynk: sd as an OS storage medium.
[23:37] <[Saint]> I highly advise breaking out everything but /boot to a "real" disk.
[23:38] <AbbyTheRat> [Saint]: unless he was thinking of doing that already XD
[23:38] <_ynk> [Saint]: why is that? will it crash or something?
[23:38] <AbbyTheRat> no, more room to do stuff
[23:38] <AbbyTheRat> more realible
[23:38] <_ynk> btw, yes I was, I have an external hard drive waiting for my pi
[23:38] <[Saint]> Excellent.
[23:38] <_ynk> yeah, that reliablity part though - what makes SD less reliable ?
[23:38] <[Saint]> Won't matter with throughput, but its a /lot/ more reliable.
[23:38] <_ynk> reliability*
[23:39] <AbbyTheRat> compared to SSD/HDD
[23:39] <AbbyTheRat> prone to corruption more easily, I believe but I leave it to [Saint] to explain, maybe he'll even be nice and give a link explaining
[23:40] <[Saint]> sd doesn't seem to cope with power loss nearly as well as a "real" disk does.
[23:40] * _ynk is eager
[23:40] <[Saint]> I'm unsure of the mechanics of it.
[23:40] <[Saint]> But, yeah, I'm unwilling to put anything I depend on on sd.
[23:41] <[Saint]> (and an operating system definitely counts)
[23:41] <AbbyTheRat> yeah, that's my experience too
[23:41] <AbbyTheRat> and I was only using it for photos
[23:41] <_ynk> yeah I figured I should put /home at my external drive, though after hearing that I'll put everything there except /boot. thanks ^^
[23:42] <AbbyTheRat> I might do the same.. but it depend on space and money and time and stuff
[23:42] <AbbyTheRat> I get everythig else working first ^^;
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[23:43] <ShorTie> it's easy to use usb flash drive, just write image to it and a little change to cmdline.txt
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[23:43] <ShorTie> on sdcard
[23:43] <[Saint]> sdcards are great for adding removable storage for temporary files (camera, audio on a phone, etc.), but I don't trust them for heavey duty IO and long term storage.
[23:44] <AbbyTheRat> and I Didn't think about USB thumb drive
[23:44] <AbbyTheRat> cause I'm an idiot
[23:44] <_ynk> oh btw - good question - can the rasbpi boot directly from the external memory not having an sd card in it (inb4 no )
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[23:45] <[Saint]> No.
[23:45] <ShorTie> nop, gotta have sdcard for firmware
[23:45] <[Saint]> GPU restriction.
[23:45] <_ynk> GPU restriction?
[23:45] <AbbyTheRat> GPU doesn't have software on it hardware
[23:45] <AbbyTheRat> it offloaded to SD (am I right?)
[23:45] <[Saint]> The GPU is the brains of the operation here. It handles boot. And it demands /boot be FAT32 on the sdcard.
[23:45] <[Saint]> No alternatives.
[23:45] <AbbyTheRat> I'm soo wrong, TIL
[23:46] <_ynk> :S
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[23:47] <[Saint]> In theory its possible to have this device boot from <wherever>.
[23:47] <[Saint]> But, we weren't given that option.
[23:47] <_ynk> boo
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[23:49] <_stephen_pi> Anybody hook their pi up to a lapdock?
[23:50] <[SLB]> hm, errors of this kind *** glibc detected *** double free or corruption (out): 0x011bb5b0 *** are on my system setup/libs dependencies or the binary itself?
[23:50] <_ynk> btw, [Saint], earlier you said: Network/USB shared over a single USB bus. what do you mean by that?
[23:51] <AbbyTheRat> the network port is basically a LAN to USB
[23:51] <[Saint]> It means the network controller and USB ports share a single bus.
[23:51] <[Saint]> USB throughput hampers network, network throughput hampers USB, etc.
[23:52] <[Saint]> As opposed to both having their own bus and not affecting each other at all.
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[23:52] <_ynk> Oh i see, yeah I get it. so I can now understand why a fileserver will be a terrible idea...
[23:52] <_ynk> though I'll do it anyway.
[23:52] <[Saint]> The takehome from that is that if you're hammering USB, netowrk throughput will fall. ANd if you're hammering the network, USB throughput will fall.
[23:53] <[Saint]> And, as you just realized, a fileserver hammers both. :)
[23:54] <_ynk> so potentially someone can prevent me from accessing my files on the rasbpi using some sort of dos attack?
[23:54] <AbbyTheRat> well, depends
[23:54] <[Saint]> Hmmmm...possibly.
[23:54] <AbbyTheRat> but yes.. if they have access directly to your USB
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[23:55] <[Saint]> flooding the network with requests would certainly bring down IO throughput. But I doubt it'd be enough to make the device fall over completely.
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[23:56] <_ynk> [Saint]: let's test it sometime :-p
[23:56] * [Saint] doesn't understand why Broadcom never released their ICS image for Raspberry PI
[23:57] <[Saint]> Especially now they released the VideoCore sources.
[23:57] <[Saint]> What they did there was really cruel.
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[23:57] <[Saint]> And The Foundation copped a LOT of grief over that.
[23:57] <[Saint]> "Android is coming!"
[23:57] <[Saint]> ...yeah, right.
[23:58] <shiftplusone> I haven't seen the RE or Razdroid people complaining.
[23:58] <[Saint]> That was what, ~2 years ago now?
[23:58] <shiftplusone> ah, that.
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[23:59] <[Saint]> Yeah, Broadcom's ICS demo that was shown off and then sent into a black hole of communication.
[23:59] <_ynk> guys thanks for your help today. gtg now, I'll come again ^^
[23:59] <AbbyTheRat> we're always here :)
[23:59] <AbbyTheRat> newbie to experienced alike

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