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IRC Log for 2014-03-24

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[0:00] <[Saint]> I'm a little surprised that the Razdroid guys don't have anything yet.
[0:00] <[Saint]> But, I'm given to believe that its mostly a bunch of guys poking about in the dark.
[0:00] <shiftplusone> They have 1 guy working on it
[0:00] <shiftplusone> and he doesn't have a pi
[0:00] * [Saint] nods
[0:01] <shiftplusone> Well, he probably has one now, since the foundation send them some.
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[0:01] <AbbyTheRat> what is ICS?
[0:01] <AbbyTheRat> I nearly said ICU.. ha
[0:01] <[Saint]> Ice Cream Sandwich
[0:01] <shiftplusone> A version of android.
[0:01] <[Saint]> (Android flavor)
[0:02] <shiftplusone> Keep in mind that demos like that don't show the actual experience. I bet it was buggy, crashed if you tried to do anything other than what was shown and the code was unmaintainable mess. At least that's my guess as to why it wasn't released.
[0:02] <AbbyTheRat> kinda funny cause I'm watching an rescue type show
[0:02] <AbbyTheRat> really graphic too
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[0:03] <[Saint]> shiftplusone: We have a little bit of insight from inside Broadcom via some friends of Rockbox, and I'm given to believe that it is *very* usable.
[0:03] <shiftplusone> hm
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[0:03] <[Saint]> The infuriating part is knowing how much of a difference KitKat would make.
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[0:18] <pingo> I was finally able to catch file corruption on usb flash stick plugged into my r.pi: http://pingec.si/corruption.jpg
[0:19] <pingo> Any ideas on what might be the cause of such corruption and how to prevent it ?
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[0:19] <[Saint]> Hard power down? Didn't safe remove?
[0:19] <pingo> Should I change the filesystem from fat to somethign else?
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[0:20] <pingo> [Saint] hmm this file only gets appended
[0:20] <pingo> and those were some old lines that got corrupted
[0:20] <AbbyTheRat> so during appending, the info is wrong?
[0:20] <pingo> I suffered a few power blackouts
[0:20] <[Saint]> that'll do it.
[0:21] <[Saint]> fsck the mother and forget about it.
[0:21] <AbbyTheRat> <_<
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[0:22] <AbbyTheRat> maybe it should be a rule to go call it file system check
[0:22] <AbbyTheRat> to keep things family safe
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[0:23] <pingo> fsck: fsck.vfat: not found
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[0:27] <ShorTie> just the boot partition is fat, the rest is ext4
[0:27] <pingo> its a usb stick
[0:27] <pingo> it is fat
[0:27] <ShorTie> so
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[0:32] <ShorTie> if the os is on it, it is ext4
[0:33] <pingo> the os is not on it
[0:33] <pingo> im just logging data to it
[0:33] <shiftplusone> I don't think logging data to SD is the way to go at all.
[0:34] <AbbyTheRat> What he's saying is that he's logging to the thumb drive, it is formatted as FAT, the OS is still on SD
[0:34] <shiftplusone> Ah okay, I didn't read the scrollback, sorry.
[0:34] <plugwash> unfortunately a lot fo flash memory is not safe against hard poweroff
[0:35] <shiftplusone> plugwash, but an ext4 fs should still go a long way, no?
[0:35] <AbbyTheRat> and that he found corruption in the logged data on the the fthumb drive
[0:35] <plugwash> shiftplusone, unfortunately not
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[0:35] <AbbyTheRat> pingo: yeah try changing the file system to something a bit more stable
[0:35] <AbbyTheRat> might reduce your corruption rate to a more acceptable rate
[0:35] <shiftplusone> =S that's new to me.
[0:35] <AbbyTheRat> and invest in UPS
[0:36] <plugwash> the problem is pretty much all flash drives have wear leveling, wear leveling is nessacery but it's also evil
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[0:37] <plugwash> in particular wear leveling sometimes requires existing data to be moved to allow an erase block which is mostly but not completely full of garbage to be erased
[0:37] <AbbyTheRat> aww, he died. *sad face*
[0:38] <plugwash> if that movement is not implemented very carefully then combined with an unexpected poweroff it can lead to corruption of existing data
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[0:38] <plugwash> which is something that is very hard for filesystems to defend against
[0:38] <shiftplusone> Makes sense. I thought that if a card says something has been written, then... it has been written, so journaling would work as expected.
[0:39] <shiftplusone> But what you are saying is that perhaps it has written the data, but it's still doing a bit of a shuffle internally?
[0:40] <plugwash> what i'm saying is that wear leveling can move existing data (which may have been written a very long time ago)
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[0:40] <shiftplusone> ouch, that's ugly.
[0:41] <plugwash> unless the implementers of the wear leveling algorithm were incrediblly careful then an unexpected power loss during wear leveling can corrupt existing data semi-randomly
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[0:45] <ShorTie> how do you get a desktop on hifi's install ??
[0:46] <shiftplusone> which desktop?
[0:46] <shiftplusone> xfce, lxde, something else?
[0:46] <ShorTie> the normal raspberry i guess
[0:46] <pingo> :////
[0:46] <shiftplusone> sec, I'll get the commands which don't pull in too much unecessary stuff.
[0:46] * AbbyTheRat wondering about her next step with her pi
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[0:47] <pingo> I guess I will start making backups of all data
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[0:48] <AbbyTheRat> I don't think I want to bother with an IDE but then it would be helpful
[0:48] <plugwash> ShorTie, something along the lines of apt-get install xorg lxde lightdm
[0:48] <shiftplusone> ShorTie, http://pastebin.com/yGTtddFL
[0:48] <AbbyTheRat> I dunno.. or I could just code on my computer, then pull from git on Pi but that's not great cause I will need to work with file systems
[0:48] <ShorTie> sweet, Thankz shiftplusone
[0:48] <shiftplusone> plugwash, lxde without no-recommends will pull in a whole suite of software, if I recall correctly.
[0:49] <shiftplusone> *--no-install-recommends
[0:49] <AbbyTheRat> no install recommends? what?
[0:50] <shiftplusone> AbbyTheRat, debian packages have suggested and recommended packages. Without specifying, apt will install all of the recommended packages (which is usually sensible)
[0:51] <AbbyTheRat> Yes, I'm more confused about why would you avoid recommendation?
[0:51] <shiftplusone> https://packages.debian.org/wheezy/lxde
[0:51] <shiftplusone> because in this case, it will pull in network-manager, iceweasel, lxmusic aand so on
[0:52] <AbbyTheRat> ah, and we just want it to install the desktop?
[0:53] <ShorTie> midori is a web browser ?? not really needed ??
[0:53] <shiftplusone> If we want to mimic the foundation's default desktop, we don't want those things.
[0:53] <shiftplusone> ShorTie, that's right, safe to cut out.
[0:53] <ShorTie> �k�� ��K��
[0:53] * AbbyTheRat tips her hat
[0:53] <AbbyTheRat> I understand now :)
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[0:53] <AbbyTheRat> right now, I'm just deciding which way to go from here
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[1:00] <happygilmoregent> how's it going tonight?
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[1:00] <happygilmoregent> is there an official raspberry pi channel?
[1:01] <AbbyTheRat> no, but this is blessed by the fountation
[1:01] <[Saint]> This is as official as it gets.
[1:01] <ShorTie> this is about official as it gets
[1:01] <[Saint]> beatcha' ;)
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[1:01] <happygilmoregent> how big can raspberry pi hold
[1:01] <AbbyTheRat> Fountation? it sounds like a some secret goverment agency
[1:01] <happygilmoregent> aka if you have a 16GB sd card would it work or would you overheat??
[1:02] <AbbyTheRat> hold on
[1:02] <ShorTie> it will work
[1:02] <ShorTie> but never trust your only data to it
[1:02] <AbbyTheRat> http://elinux.org/RPi_SD_cards <- happygilmoregent this will give you some info :)
[1:03] <happygilmoregent> ok
[1:03] <AbbyTheRat> people got up to 128g working according to table (however take it with a pinch of salt)
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[1:03] <happygilmoregent> since the model b has usb and eth can you run it as a head-less system?
[1:04] <shiftplusone> yes
[1:04] <ShorTie> sure, peeps do it all the time
[1:04] <AbbyTheRat> I'm doing it right now even!
[1:04] <happygilmoregent> what is the waste of cat 5e?
[1:04] <AbbyTheRat> ? can you rephase that question please?
[1:05] <happygilmoregent> how long can you run cat5E before the signal degrades
[1:05] <AbbyTheRat> 100.. almost
[1:05] <AbbyTheRat> meters*
[1:05] <AbbyTheRat> but shorter is better, obiviously
[1:05] <happygilmoregent> yeah
[1:05] <AbbyTheRat> cat 6.. is.. 350m? *googles*
[1:06] <happygilmoregent> saw raspberry pi at hamfest and really itching to try it
[1:06] <happygilmoregent> does raspberry pi require a swap partition?
[1:07] <shiftplusone> no
[1:07] <plugwash> IIRC officially you are supposed to be able to use 90m of installation cable (solid core) plus 10m of patch cable (stranded core)
[1:07] <ShorTie> they use a swap file
[1:07] <happygilmoregent> is the kernel setup much different from other versions of linux
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[1:07] <plugwash> higher categories don't increase the official maximum length, they may increase the practical length slightly but I suspect only marginally
[1:08] <AbbyTheRat> I'm trying to remember where I got that info from ^_^
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[1:08] <AbbyTheRat> but at least I'm always willing to find info out and correct myself, plugwash is correct :)
[1:08] <happygilmoregent> 350m = ? in ft
[1:09] <AbbyTheRat> 330ft for cat6, you might as well stick with cat5e
[1:09] <ShorTie> 100m or ~300', not 350m
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[1:10] <ozzzy> 330'
[1:10] <AbbyTheRat> ShorTie: I corrected myself already! ;-;
[1:11] <ShorTie> if you ran bigger wires you might get it to go farther, it's the voltage drop of the wire it's self that limits it
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[1:12] <AbbyTheRat> of course, my brain clearly did a stinky
[1:12] <AbbyTheRat> I blame the virus
[1:13] <[Saint]> Ok Google, how many countries are there in the world?
[1:13] <[Saint]> https://www.youtube.com/v/-GIEOCIT8UI
[1:13] <AbbyTheRat> it changes
[1:13] <AbbyTheRat> all the time
[1:13] <AbbyTheRat> <_<
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[1:14] * [Saint] suggests actually looking at the video
[1:14] <ShorTie> trillions of countries, lol.
[1:14] * AbbyTheRat did but has no idea what's it's saying
[1:15] <AbbyTheRat> I'm deaf, ha
[1:15] <AbbyTheRat> (for serious, I am)
[1:15] <[Saint]> You do know YouTube can transcribe captions...yeah?
[1:15] <happygilmoregent> not very well
[1:16] <[Saint]> Pretty bloody brilliantly for real-time transcription.
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[1:16] <AbbyTheRat> it sucks
[1:16] <AbbyTheRat> in my honest opinion
[1:16] <[Saint]> (as long as you stick to the major languages)
[1:16] <happygilmoregent> were you born deaf?
[1:17] <AbbyTheRat> no, illness
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[1:17] * plugwash has tried combining the transcription and translation options on youtube before
[1:17] <AbbyTheRat> somewhere between 9 and 14month old
[1:17] <plugwash> and has found it pretty much always results in unintelligable garbage
[1:17] <AbbyTheRat> it work best when there's no other noises
[1:18] <AbbyTheRat> obivious.. and that's rare.. so many video like to include background music
[1:19] <happygilmoregent> that sucks
[1:21] <AbbyTheRat> but recently youtube really .. er.. give me a moment
[1:22] <AbbyTheRat> really annoyed me, they changed the subtitling and it was no-longer on by default
[1:22] <AbbyTheRat> I no longer had the option to have it on without having all the other videos with automatica caption going
[1:22] <AbbyTheRat> the problem is, I can hear some with hearing aids, enough to pick out some words.. if subtitles don't match up.. it actually stress me out
[1:23] <AbbyTheRat> cause it means I had two inflicting data
[1:23] <AbbyTheRat> and my brain just can't really deal with that too well
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[1:24] <[Saint]> Damn Google Now - you scary as almighty Hell.
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[1:25] <[Saint]> "Ok Google, has <my mother in law's flight number> landed yet?"; "Flight number <foo> will land in 20 minutes, with current traffic you will need to depart your loaction in 12 minutes, would you like to se a reminder?"
[1:26] <[Saint]> Damn man...that's something.
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[1:31] <happygilmoregent> do you watch alot of subbed anime?
[1:31] <AbbyTheRat> I use to
[1:32] <happygilmoregent> I can't imagine being deaf
[1:33] <happygilmoregent> must be hard my fiance learned sign language but she is a little rusty
[1:33] <AbbyTheRat> I have speech, thankfully
[1:33] <happygilmoregent> thanks for that
[1:34] <happygilmoregent> my future father in law is tone deaf but I swear he uses it as an excuse not to hear something he doesn't want to hear
[1:37] <AbbyTheRat> yes and no
[1:38] <AbbyTheRat> see, it takes some brain power to focus on hearing
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[1:38] <AbbyTheRat> when the brain isn't getting as much input, it need more brain power to process different or incorrect information
[1:38] <happygilmoregent> but have your eyes etc compensate
[1:39] <AbbyTheRat> when someone doesn't want to hear something it the brain just don't bother to give it any power at all
[1:39] <AbbyTheRat> yes and no
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[1:40] <[Saint]> Yeah..tone deafness isn't a (valid) excuse for selective hearing.
[1:40] <AbbyTheRat> it comes down to how long you had the faulty input, if you have it young, then the body has a chance to improve the other input devices and thus reducing brain power required to use it
[1:41] <AbbyTheRat> (it did for me.. my vision out of the side of my eyes is beyond that of a normal hearing even thou I can understand sounds)
[1:41] <happygilmoregent> cool
[1:42] <[Saint]> I'm completely deaf in my left ear (missing a hammer bone), but I have better hearing and a better ability to locate the source of sounds than most people.
[1:42] <AbbyTheRat> but speech takes a lot of brain power for me
[1:42] <AbbyTheRat> I mean a lot
[1:43] <happygilmoregent> more than the mythical 10%
[1:43] <AbbyTheRat> I lip read + process sound
[1:43] <[Saint]> Same here. But, for a different reason. I stutter, badly.
[1:43] <AbbyTheRat> after a while it can give me a headache but that's like after a full day of listening to people
[1:43] <happygilmoregent> yeah Saint my future father in law is completely deaf in the left messed up his ear drum
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[1:43] <AbbyTheRat> subtitles helpfully reduce the power usuage :D
[1:43] <[Saint]> The type of stuttering where eventually one or both parties just ends up giving up.
[1:44] <[Saint]> Sometimes I'll go days without stuttering.
[1:44] <[Saint]> Other times I can't string two words together.
[1:44] <[Saint]> It can get infuriating.
[1:45] <happygilmoregent> my brain sometimes panics and I can't string two words together
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[1:45] <AbbyTheRat> Fun time
[1:46] <AbbyTheRat> that's sarscam, that is
[1:46] <happygilmoregent> yeah
[1:46] <[Saint]> I stutter really badly with 'I, who, what, when, where, why, how...'
[1:46] <[Saint]> Mostly w and h words.
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[1:46] <AbbyTheRat> you know why you stutter at all?
[1:47] <happygilmoregent> not really
[1:47] <happygilmoregent> I was dropped on my head when I was younger
[1:47] <AbbyTheRat> Hmm
[1:47] <[Saint]> No idea of the mechanics behind it other than breath control. That makes a huge difference.
[1:47] <[Saint]> Remembering to stop, take a breath, slow down, etc.
[1:48] <happygilmoregent> yeah that is the same for me
[1:48] <happygilmoregent> writing papers in school was a nightmare
[1:48] <AbbyTheRat> same for everyone
[1:48] <AbbyTheRat> even me
[1:48] <[Saint]> A few years of pretty intense speech therapy later and I can hold a conversation without people getting bored. But I have my moments.
[1:49] <happygilmoregent> what was the disease?
[1:49] <[Saint]> Hm?
[1:49] <happygilmoregent> if you don't mind
[1:49] <happygilmoregent> me asking
[1:50] <Joel> Too lazy to walk into the other room to check on my pi, thus a web cam was setup. I am the definition of lazy!
[1:51] <AbbyTheRat> so what..
[1:51] <ShorTie> you got a web cam watching your rPi ??
[1:51] <AbbyTheRat> you setup a pi cam to watch itself?
[1:51] <happygilmoregent> it's the govt
[1:51] <ShorTie> lol.
[1:51] <AbbyTheRat> happygilmoregent: govt don't watch itself, they prefer it to always be outward
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[1:53] <happygilmoregent> yeah reminds me of the hunger games
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[1:55] <happygilmoregent> do you ever think we will get that bad?
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[1:56] <[Saint]> "Fashion" has been that bad for years already. ;)
[1:57] <happygilmoregent> true
[1:58] <[Saint]> And Woody Harrelson is an alcoholic.
[1:58] <[Saint]> ...so, we're /close/.
[1:58] <happygilmoregent> ywah
[1:59] <happygilmoregent> I wonder who they will get to replace phillip seymour hoffman
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[1:59] <happygilmoregent> the way they ended catching fire was whack
[1:59] <happygilmoregent> how's it going japan
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[2:10] <ziddey> damn anyone run into segfaults running at stock clocks? seems i can do most things fine. but i wrote a simple python script that uses the requests module and it segfaults randomly
[2:11] <ziddey> same script works fine on my main rig
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[2:34] <Joel> http://www.linuxsystems.it/raspbian-wheezy-armhf-raspberry-pi-minimal-image/ - Thoughts on how I resize this image using parted?
[2:34] <Joel> resize it before I dd it, or after I've got it up and running?
[2:35] <shiftplusone> just dd, then partprobe and use gparted
[2:35] <shiftplusone> unless you really want to use parted
[2:35] <Joel> I really want to use parted.
[2:36] <shiftplusone> The general procedure is delete the partition you want to resize, re-create it with the same start sector, but going to the end, then use resize2fs to resize the actual filesystem on it.
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[2:37] <Joel> gotchya
[2:37] <shiftplusone> (can be done from the pi itself or before putting the card in the pi)
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[2:45] <Taylor> My pis network connection just died and I had to replug the cat5 cable twice to get it to reconnect
[2:45] <Taylor> What causes that?
[2:45] <Taylor> Or what logs can I check to remedy it
[2:46] <AbbyTheRat> hmm
[2:46] <AbbyTheRat> replugging the cable works? *rubs her chin*
[2:47] <hideo> loose cable
[2:47] <AbbyTheRat> can you check all of the cable?
[2:47] <hideo> or connector
[2:47] <Taylor> Yeah, I'm thinking this is an issue I've been having for a while but usually I just unplug the pi completely and plug it back in
[2:47] <Taylor> From the power supply
[2:47] <Taylor> That solves it
[2:47] <AbbyTheRat> maybe there was a kink
[2:47] <AbbyTheRat> oh, replugging power supply?
[2:47] <hideo> oh, the power supply cable?
[2:47] <Taylor> Well, that's what I've typically done to remedy this issue
[2:47] <AbbyTheRat> Then it sounds like maybe a problem with DHCP leasing
[2:47] <Taylor> I tried the cat5 cable today on a whim and it worked
[2:48] <AbbyTheRat> ....
[2:48] <AbbyTheRat> First step
[2:48] <shiftplusone> I recommend waiting until it hangs again and measuring the voltage across TP1 and TP2
[2:48] <Taylor> It's not hanging though
[2:48] <AbbyTheRat> check the cable, all of it if you can, make sure there are no kinks in the cable or rather no edvident of kinks in the cable...
[2:48] <Taylor> It's ~4.93
[2:49] <shiftplusone> 4.93 now or when problems occur?
[2:49] <AbbyTheRat> check the connection at the other end, into the router
[2:49] <AbbyTheRat> shiftplusone - should check cable first cause that's easier to check for ^_^;
[2:49] <Taylor> It fluctuates from 4.93-5, depending on whether it's booting or what
[2:49] <Taylor> When it's not responding via lan it's ~4.93
[2:50] <Taylor> That's what it's at when it's stable as well
[2:50] <hideo> /var/log/syslog should say if losing network connection something no?
[2:50] <shiftplusone> Not power then, that's good.
[2:50] <AbbyTheRat> but I have half a mind that it's a DHCP leasing problem.. possible a router problem then a pi problem
[2:50] <Taylor> shiftplusone: Do you remember me by chance from a few weeks back
[2:50] <Taylor> This is the issue I was having then, although at that point I didn't know replugging the cat5 cable fixed it
[2:50] <Taylor> So I'm now convinced it's an entirely different animal
[2:50] <shiftplusone> Ah ok
[2:51] * AbbyTheRat waves her hands as she is feeling a bit ignored
[2:51] <Taylor> As for cable issues, I'm not sure.. The unit is completely isolated, no bends twists anything between the pi and the router
[2:51] <Taylor> No human interaction, no movement
[2:51] <AbbyTheRat> no rats?
[2:51] <Taylor> no lol
[2:52] <AbbyTheRat> (damn) then it maybe a problem with the router
[2:52] <shiftplusone> AbbyTheRat, have you been chewing his cable? O_o
[2:52] <AbbyTheRat> Nah, otherwise he would of known
[2:52] <shiftplusone> ah
[2:52] <AbbyTheRat> which is a problem, I Don't know WHO's cable I'm chewing
[2:52] <Taylor> Nothing else on the network has issues when the pi does, the router feeds into two switches as well
[2:52] <Taylor> and none of those machines have issues
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[2:53] <AbbyTheRat> try plugging it into a different switch and see if that stops the LAN dropping
[2:53] <AbbyTheRat> then we can at least elimate the possiblity of router problems.
[2:54] <AbbyTheRat> but before then, at least look at the logs
[2:54] <AbbyTheRat> [21:50:04] <hideo> /var/log/syslog should say if losing network connection something no?
[2:54] <Taylor> I'm browsing through it now
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[2:54] <Taylor> There's a lot of..
[2:54] <Taylor> Mar 23 21:40:51 raspberrypi kernel: [506226.914975] EXT4-fs warning (device sda1): __ext4_read_dirblock:908: error reading directory block (ino 2, block 0)
[2:55] <Taylor> That's probably unrelated, though?
[2:55] <hideo> that's because you've been yanking the power cable
[2:55] <hideo> likely :P
[2:55] <AbbyTheRat> do you have a time when the network dropped?
[2:55] <AbbyTheRat> try looking at the same time in the logs
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[2:55] <Taylor> Uh, can you scroll up and see when I disconnected?
[2:55] <Taylor> My bouncer runs on this pi
[2:55] <Taylor> It would have been then
[2:56] <AbbyTheRat> [21:37:03] Taylor [~Taylor@unaffiliated/taylor] has quit IRC: Ping timeout: 246 seconds
[2:56] <AbbyTheRat> that's EDT
[2:56] <Taylor> so 37 +- ~4 minutes
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[2:57] <Taylor> http://paste.ee/r/i3xs6
[2:59] <hideo> check the cat5 connector at both ends, make sure everything is seated right
[3:00] <Taylor> I'll give it a check when I run back in a minute
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[3:00] <Taylor> Would a physical issue be an issue if it's not really being moved around though?
[3:01] <hideo> it could, but who knows, first step is always to try to eliminate the easiest / most obvious
[3:01] <Taylor> Righto, brb
[3:02] <hideo> i'd swap the ports too, like AbbyTheRat suggested
[3:03] <AbbyTheRat> switch to a different switch is also a better idea
[3:03] * AbbyTheRat had to troubleshoot so many networking issues..
[3:03] <Taylor> Alright, everything seems tight
[3:03] <Taylor> The pi itself isn't on either of the switches, it's directly into the back of a router
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[3:04] <Taylor> http://paste.ee/r/Xg1G9
[3:04] <Taylor> Those filesystem warnings started right after I pulled the cable lol
[3:05] <hideo> do "shutdown -F -r now"
[3:05] <shiftplusone> Given that you'd corrupted the sd card, it's probably not a bad idea to get that taken care of.
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[3:08] <Taylor> You think pulling the network cable corrupted something?
[3:09] <hideo> no, you said you pulled the power cable back then
[3:09] <hideo> that could have caused that
[3:09] <hideo> did you do a proper shutdown or did you just yank the power cable?
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[3:10] <Taylor> Well when the network connection was down, I pulled the cable
[3:10] <hideo> yep, there ya go :)
[3:10] <Taylor> It has been stable since then though, and these errors are only popping up now after this network issue. Is that expected of corruption caused by pulling the power?
[3:11] <hideo> i dunno
[3:15] <SuperLag> Do any of you use your Pi as a NAS? is that possible/practical?
[3:15] <SuperLag> (obviously with attached storage)
[3:16] <SuperLag> I'm just wondering if it has enough juice for a use case like that.
[3:18] <SpeedEvil> That's almost a meaningless question
[3:18] <SpeedEvil> It can push >10 meg a second to the network
[3:18] <SpeedEvil> So yes - it's quite adequate if you think that's OK
[3:19] <Taylor> My external drive remounted to /media/<uuid> rather than its mount point /media/maxtor, that could be causing the filesystem errors correct?
[3:19] <shiftplusone> (but keep in mind that bandwidth is shared with USB devices, so writing files to a USB hard drive over the network, is going to be slower than line speed.
[3:19] <Taylor> Although I'm not sure what caused it to remount
[3:19] <SuperLag> theory and practice/experience are often different
[3:20] <SuperLag> and like shiftplusone said... it shares the USB bus. That's certain to make an impact.
[3:20] <SuperLag> Perhaps significant.
[3:20] <SuperLag> I have a Drobo, but that isn't so Linux-friendly.
[3:21] <hideo> Taylor: I don't think that's an issue
[3:21] <SuperLag> which is ironic, since its OS is Linux
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[3:42] <[Not_Saint]> Hmmm. Server-poking-pi seems to have fallen over.
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[4:09] <AbbyTheRat> ...
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[4:09] <shiftplusone> ...?
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[4:10] <AbbyTheRat> Earlier we had someone who setup a webcam to watch their pi
[4:10] <AbbyTheRat> now we have a server poking pi
[4:10] <AbbyTheRat> whatever next
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[4:12] <AbbyTheRat> Hmm.. what would you guys recommend for dev work on the pi? should I load up a remote decktop or just code in an IDE I'm familier with and transfer to the pi to run?
[4:12] <shiftplusone> I tend to use geany with x11 forwarding, or transfer the files.
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[4:16] <AbbyTheRat> I use pycharm and git
[4:16] <AbbyTheRat> hmm
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[4:18] <shiftplusone> my approach definitely is not ideal
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[5:13] <tonsofpcs> so I'm thinking of a case that can mount to a wallplate or 100x100 vesa and hide cables inside
[5:13] <tonsofpcs> http://cloud.netfabb.com/?key=05b99259865ff17fb64f9fc98d7a94b1587599 is my mock-up
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[5:27] <AbbyTheRat> hmm?
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[5:30] <AbbyTheRat> quite large for a pi, where are you planning to feed the cables in?
[5:30] <AbbyTheRat> looks quite*
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[6:40] <AbbyTheRat> Hmm
[6:40] <AbbyTheRat> are you awake, shiftplusone?
[6:40] <shiftplusone> I am always awake.
[6:40] <AbbyTheRat> of course
[6:41] <AbbyTheRat> maybe ban olalonde for a bit
[6:41] <AbbyTheRat> it might help him join IRC
[6:41] <shiftplusone> I want to see where he is going with this
[6:41] <AbbyTheRat> I think what has happened, if I remember my IRC info
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[6:41] <AbbyTheRat> is that he basically joinned too many big channels too fast
[6:42] <AbbyTheRat> and it's causing Max SendQ
[6:42] <shiftplusone> next time he joins then
[6:43] <AbbyTheRat> I did this before on coldfront..
[6:43] <AbbyTheRat> I use to be in over 100 channels
[6:43] <AbbyTheRat> one day, I d/c'd while I Was asleep
[6:43] <AbbyTheRat> I came back to find myself banned from IRC :D
[6:43] <blockh34d> ouch
[6:44] <blockh34d> 100 chans? thats a pretty serious irc habit
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[6:44] <AbbyTheRat> I was an IRCop and I was a good one too, I kept my ears to the ground, mained a high presence
[6:44] <shiftplusone> Maybe there's a channel to help with that habit?
[6:44] <AbbyTheRat> maintained*
[6:44] <blockh34d> ah ic
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[6:44] <blockh34d> haha shift
[6:45] <AbbyTheRat> I was later unbanned after talking to my fellow IRCop and I got the issue sorted
[6:45] <blockh34d> is that like an alchoholics anonymous bar?
[6:45] <shiftplusone> oh, that's a good business idea.
[6:45] <AbbyTheRat> but since "The Drama", I just stopped coming onto IRC
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[6:46] <AbbyTheRat> until recently, I came here and python
[6:46] <blockh34d> yah that was how i felt about efnet after a while
[6:46] <blockh34d> it was just a bunch of script kiddies packeting each other after a while
[6:46] <blockh34d> channel take overs and stupidit
[6:46] <AbbyTheRat> happens
[6:47] <AbbyTheRat> I actually worked hard to keep that down
[6:47] <blockh34d> yah really not what i'm here for lol
[6:47] <blockh34d> yah cool its very distracting
[6:47] <blockh34d> it'd make a kinda cool game
[6:47] <blockh34d> on xbox maybe
[6:47] <blockh34d> packet blasters or something
[6:47] <blockh34d> but like most conflict, makes a better game than reality
[6:48] <blockh34d> gnite i gotta early morning
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[6:50] <AbbyTheRat> goodnight block.. ahh he's gone already
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[6:51] <AbbyTheRat> so what timezone do you live in, shiftplusone?
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[6:52] <shiftplusone> the one where it's 4:52:25PM
[6:52] <AbbyTheRat> so early..
[6:52] <AbbyTheRat> PST?
[6:52] <shiftplusone> (A)EST
[6:53] <shiftplusone> Melbourne, Australia
[6:53] <AbbyTheRat> I failed math
[6:53] <AbbyTheRat> :D
[6:53] <AbbyTheRat> or rather, I misread my time as well
[6:53] <AbbyTheRat> it's AEST offically
[6:53] <shiftplusone> what is?
[6:54] <AbbyTheRat> the timezone you're in
[6:56] <shiftplusone> Yeah, I was under the impression we just called it EST here and threw in the A to differentiate between American EST.
[6:56] <AbbyTheRat> there's CEST
[6:56] <AbbyTheRat> which is Central Easten
[6:56] <AbbyTheRat> Europe
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[6:57] <AbbyTheRat> I get the feeling olalonde might be network banned
[6:57] <shiftplusone> They should just do away with these silly names and call time zones according to people you know who live there. So AEST would be "shift's time"
[6:58] <AbbyTheRat> but then it's more confusing!
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[6:58] <shiftplusone> I don't think so.
[6:58] <AbbyTheRat> at least with AEST, I know the actual offset and work from there
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[6:58] <shiftplusone> Oh, shift's time would still be UTC +10
[6:59] <shiftplusone> Unless I moved.
[6:59] <AbbyTheRat> EST = -5 UTC (-4 daylight saving.. ah.. )
[6:59] <AbbyTheRat> AEST yeahh.. abut I know that
[6:59] <AbbyTheRat> so I can easily go AEST is shift time.. but thinking just shift time isn't going to work, more info to remember together and brain not to great at linking info
[6:59] <AbbyTheRat> not mine anyway
[7:00] <AbbyTheRat> but with that, I should hit the hay, get sleep and rest in for this sicky girl
[7:00] <shiftplusone> It will be easier when everyone adopts the system
[7:00] <AbbyTheRat> and I nearly mistyped. >_<;
[7:00] <shiftplusone> Well, I read sticky and was confused for a bit, but good night.
[7:00] <AbbyTheRat> that's not what I mistyped to
[7:01] <shiftplusone> I know
[7:01] <AbbyTheRat> I would of gotten kicked <_<;
[7:01] <shiftplusone> D= * would have*
[7:01] <AbbyTheRat> Agh
[7:01] <shiftplusone> or would've
[7:01] <AbbyTheRat> it got me!
[7:01] <shiftplusone> (you said you wanted to be called out on such things)
[7:01] <AbbyTheRat> yes, thank you
[7:02] <AbbyTheRat> I normally try to make sure that I use have, it's just something I Do without thinking and now have to think about it to fix
[7:02] <AbbyTheRat> ... and I suck at going to bed
[7:02] <AbbyTheRat> ha
[7:02] <AbbyTheRat> Goodnight shiftplusone and everyone who might be around
[7:02] <shiftplusone> better than 'clever'
[7:03] <shiftplusone> he goes to sleep then comes back every 5 minutes to share an idea he gets.
[7:03] <AbbyTheRat> oh clever is a nick
[7:03] <shiftplusone> and that goes on for a few hours before he actually goes to sleep
[7:03] <shiftplusone> aye
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[7:03] <AbbyTheRat> GAH! SHUSH! *turns monitor off*
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[8:53] <_ynk> hi guys. I'm new to electronics, and I wonder, how can I connect an external LED to a rasbpi? how can I control it? (I've read about GPIO, is this where it should go?)
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[8:57] <shiftplusone> _ynk, yes sir. What programming language do you prefer?
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[9:00] <_ynk> shiftplusone: I don't mind studying C if it's needed. I figure it would be the best choice.
[9:01] <_ynk> I've done mostly high level programming, python much. but I do want to study. any recommended sources? thanks you, btw
[9:01] <shiftplusone> it's not required, any language will do
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[9:02] <ShorTie> have you checked out wiringPi.com _ynk
[9:02] <shiftplusone> If you want to learn C, I think it's best learned from a book. None of the online source I've seen get it quite right. Look up the C Programming Language by K&R. As far as controlling LEDs go though. http://wiringpi.com/examples/blink/
[9:03] <shiftplusone> and https://projects.drogon.net/raspberry-pi/gpio-examples/tux-crossing/gpio-examples-1-a-single-led/
[9:03] <shiftplusone> for python, adafruit have lots of tutorials.
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[9:08] <_ynk> ShorTie: thanks I'll check it out
[9:08] <_ynk> shiftplusone: thank you!
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[9:23] <shiftplusone> _ynk, best of luck and feel free to ask questions if you run into trouble.
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[9:54] <gordonDrogon> morning.
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[10:35] <gordonDrogon> Hm. compiling fuze basic from scratch now takes 3 minuts on a Pi )-:
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[10:36] <shiftplusone> sounds acceptable.
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[10:48] <Gadgetoid> gordonDrogon: Ohreally?
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[10:48] <Xark> gordonDrogon: Is this the newest flavor of RTBasic?
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[11:00] <Xeta_> Hi! Anyone here good with the OpenMAX API? I'm having some trouble getting a mp4 h264 stream to play, does openmax output any debug or error messages somewhere which I could study?
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[11:05] <shiftplusone> Xeta_, you could try asking a user with the nick 'clever'. I don't think he's awake right now, but you can catch him in #razdroid and #raspberrypi-internals. He has fiddled with omx a fair bit.
[11:05] <shiftplusone> (but keep in mind that omx questions are not exactly on-topic in those channels)
[11:07] <gordonDrogon> Gadgetoid, yes - it's somewhat grown over the past year or so..
[11:07] <gordonDrogon> Xark, yes, RTB -> FUZE.
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[11:08] <Xeta_> shiftplusone: cool thanks ill try that!
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[11:10] <Xark> Right on. I hope they are throwing you a bone (unless you have declined). :)
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[11:12] <hendry> why is WiringPI not packaged in Raspbian?
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[11:13] <gordonDrogon> hendry, because I've not had the time to submit it due to other issues.
[11:14] <gordonDrogon> Xark, The FUZE people? Yes.
[11:14] <hendry> gordonDrogon: it's been in Archlinux-Arm's alarmpi repo for sometime ...
[11:14] <hendry> gordonDrogon: btw, I like your software!
[11:14] <gordonDrogon> hendry, yes - a very old version though from what I recall.
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[11:15] <hendry> I don't understand why people using the Python GPIO library... horrible to work with
[11:15] <Xark> gordonDrogon: Excellent. Congrats! :D
[11:15] <shiftplusone> hendry, the arch people are more serious about providing packages, whereas Raspbian tries to stick to wheezy as much as possible. Besides, wiringpi is something you want the latest version and source code of (IMHO)
[11:15] <gordonDrogon> hendry, because they like Python, so use the "approved" RPi.GPIO library.
[11:16] <shiftplusone> *stick to debian
[11:16] <gordonDrogon> Xark, it's an odd situation - I'd like to release FUZE as a stand-alone thing - still with the fuze branding (and for free).
[11:16] <hendry> gordonDrogon: when I do a gpio readall on a friend's PI, the defaults seem totally different to mine. I'm a bit confused.
[11:16] <gordonDrogon> the fuze people are doing some great work to make project cards/training/learning material - and they want to use it in conjunction with the hardware.
[11:16] <Xark> gordonDrogon: Interesting. They would rather you not, I take it?
[11:16] * hendry wonders how to do something basic, like a `gpio readall` output with '"approved" RPi.GPIO library'
[11:16] <gordonDrogon> hendry, different version ? run gpio -v
[11:17] <gordonDrogon> Xark, it's undecided yet.
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[11:17] <hendry> gpio version: 2.13 versus the version on a git clone (don't have it to hand)
[11:17] * hendry goes off and checks
[11:17] <gordonDrogon> 2.13 is the latest released one.
[11:17] <Xark> gordonDrogon: I see. Well, I hope you work it out. The Fuze people have some good ideas too.
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[11:18] <gordonDrogon> Xark, yes - however it's a real uphill struggle against the Python folks.
[11:18] <Xark> gordonDrogon: May the best library win.
[11:18] <gordonDrogon> some are actively spreading FUD regarding "basic" without looking at the bigger picture.
[11:18] * Xark puts his money on Gordon. :)
[11:18] <hendry> gordonDrogon: 2.13 one archlinux-arm and 2.13 i manually compiled on Raspbian
[11:19] <gordonDrogon> I have no real issue with RPi.GPIO & python. the one thing I wish we'd gotten sorted way back was the pin numbering schemes )-:
[11:19] <Xark> gordonDrogon: Hehe, too many of them I gather.
[11:19] <gordonDrogon> wiringPi has an abstraction layer that means your code will run on a Rev 1 or Rev 2 Pi without change - everything else needs you to change your code )-:
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[11:19] <gordonDrogon> and have non-linear pin numbers for gpio's 0 through 7.
[11:20] <gordonDrogon> maybe I'm making it too simple. Who knows.
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[11:21] <Xark> gordonDrogon: Such a stupid thing to "war" over (like Gulliver's egg endian).
[11:22] <gordonDrogon> I don't think it's a 'war' as such - actually, maybe I jsut need to have a chat with Ben (?) who does the RPi.GPIO and see if we can do something.
[11:23] <gordonDrogon> the bigger 'war' is how to teach programming to young people in school IMO.
[11:23] <gordonDrogon> python vs. everything else )-:
[11:23] <Xark> gordonDrogon: Sounds like a good idea. Pin numbering is among the more flexible things, IMHO.
[11:24] <[Saint]> That's easy. Hire a spokesperson that knows nothing about coding...duh. ;)
[11:24] <gordonDrogon> I sometimes thingk that the boffins at hq have forgotten just what it was like to be a newbie programmer on day 1.
[11:25] <gordonDrogon> and now there so much hype surrounding python, young people are coerced into thinking it's the only way - then they struggle (seen it happen) but give them basic and they're off and having fun.
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[11:25] <shiftplusone> I find that they're off and having fun with python too.
[11:25] <hendry> gordonDrogon: http://youtu.be/IiiWuztGhqo?t=1m26s <-- made a video featuring your software :-)
[11:25] <gordonDrogon> sure - some are.
[11:26] <[Saint]> "but...but...BASIC is for n00bz"
[11:26] <shiftplusone> I would word that as BASIC doesn't lead anywhere useful
[11:26] <hendry> http://s.natalian.org/2014-03-24/alarm.txt and http://s.natalian.org/2014-03-24/coder-machine.txt seem to have widly different GPIO defaults
[11:26] <gordonDrogon> hendry, AH! You're *that* Hendry :)
[11:27] <[Saint]> shiftplusone: I hope that wasn't serious...
[11:27] <gordonDrogon> [Saint], sure - and noobz have to start somewhere.
[11:27] <shiftplusone> [Saint], you think BASIC is a useful language today?
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[11:27] <[Saint]> gordonDrogon: Oh, I agree. I, like many, started coding in BASIC.
[11:27] <gordonDrogon> shiftplusone, to teach the fundamentals yes - to write commercial softare, now.
[11:27] <gordonDrogon> *no
[11:27] <shiftplusone> exactly
[11:27] <[Saint]> shiftplusone: as an educational language, most definitely I do.
[11:28] <shiftplusone> that's what I mean by it doesn't go anywhere.
[11:28] <gordonDrogon> it doesn't need to.
[11:28] <shiftplusone> whereas with python, you get both.
[11:28] <gordonDrogon> (go anywhere)
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[11:28] <[Saint]> Well...it certainly goes somewhere.
[11:28] * Xark notes if Python was designed reasonably in the first place they wouldn't keep needing incompatible revisions. ;)
[11:28] <[Saint]> Look at gordonDrogon, for instance.
[11:28] <shiftplusone> I don't see why BASIC is any more valid as an education language than Python.
[11:28] <[Saint]> HE bloody well went somewhere.
[11:28] <Gadgetoid> gordonDrogon: Where do I get it from? might have to give it a try!
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[11:28] <gordonDrogon> I started with Basic - but my saviour was good teachers.
[11:28] <gordonDrogon> and finding good teachers is hard.
[11:29] <shiftplusone> [Saint], and he would've if python was the trendy language in his day.
[11:29] <Gadgetoid> I have a big pile of SD cards on my desk for #CamJam, yay! they were such a good price
[11:29] <gordonDrogon> Gadgetoid, do they still have the Fuze box at HQ?
[11:29] <[Saint]> shiftplusone: whilst that's /possible/, its not a given.
[11:29] <shiftplusone> Just because you started with a certain language, does not make it THE language.
[11:29] <[Saint]> No one is stating that is the case.
[11:29] <gordonDrogon> this is the key: "I worry that if we obsessively focus on the tools that we use, our teaching becomes, for example �Learn Python� rather than �Learn to problem solve using text based programming languages�."
[11:29] <shiftplusone> good
[11:29] <[Saint]> But python is an imtimidating starting point.
[11:29] <gordonDrogon> it's from this page: http://teachcomputing.wordpress.com/2014/02/21/how-do-we-teach-programming-in-schools/
[11:29] <[Saint]> I have seen this crush many people.
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[11:30] <gordonDrogon> From Stepember in the UK, secondary schools have to teach two text based programming languages to all pupils for the first 2 years.
[11:30] <hendry> gordonDrogon: oh, have you seen me around somewhere else before?
[11:30] <gordonDrogon> After that, the pupils get to choose if they want to continue with programming.
[11:30] <gordonDrogon> hendry, DCLUG?
[11:30] <shiftplusone> [Saint], I have seen many languages crush people. Different strokes and all that. I agree with Gordon's last few remarks on the topic.
[11:30] <hendry> gordonDrogon: oh feck, of course :P
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[11:30] * [Saint] sees that having the opposite effect.
[11:30] <hendry> gordonDrogon: drogon is familiar!
[11:30] <[Saint]> *forcing* kids to lerarn a language won't end well...
[11:31] <gordonDrogon> hendry, should hope so :)
[11:31] <[Saint]> Man. I cannot type todayh.
[11:31] <[Saint]> bah.
[11:31] <shiftplusone> [Saint], so instead they should be given the C11 specs, python manual, forth, verilog and decide for themselves?
[11:31] <gordonDrogon> what I've seen isthat kids get bored easilly - so if you give them something relatively easy, but yet still allowing them to do "work" then they are not bored - bored kids are classroom disruptive.
[11:31] <hendry> gordonDrogon: really good stuff on wiringPI btw. Any ideas why there are different defaults with http://s.natalian.org/2014-03-24/alarm.txt and http://s.natalian.org/2014-03-24/coder-machine.txt ? I guess a resetall is needed?
[11:32] <gordonDrogon> shiftplusone, they can do that after the first 2 years - in the first 2 years they do not have that choice.
[11:32] <[Saint]> which, for some, will piss them off immensely and have the opposite effect.
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[11:32] <[Saint]> Its got to be a love.
[11:32] <[Saint]> A want.
[11:32] <gordonDrogon> hendry, one Pi has the SPI drivers loaded.
[11:32] <shiftplusone> gordonDrogon, sure, so what makes python a bad choice for that first 2 years (I would argue in the case of python it should be the first few weeks though)
[11:32] <gordonDrogon> that's he one with the ALT modes rather than IN/OUT.
[11:33] <hendry> gordonDrogon: ah, that makes sense. ALT modes = SPI drivers loaded IIUC?
[11:33] * Xark remembers getting a failing grade for "cheating" when he programmed his home computer to do fractions homework problems...(learned as much about the education system as programming). :)
[11:33] <gordonDrogon> shiftplusone, have you ever watched a complete newbie try python? I have. I spent 2 weeks last year watching them. You will get one or 2 "star pupils" but most struggle.
[11:33] <gordonDrogon> hendry, it's one use for the ALT modes.
[11:33] <[Saint]> ^ so much this
[11:34] <gordonDrogon> but if you can teach "problem solving" using something that simple to read (executable pseudo code) then it makes life easier.
[11:34] <[Saint]> And, sadly, forcing it into the curriculum is going to have a mixed bag of effects.
[11:34] <gordonDrogon> then you can introduce them to "real world" languages.
[11:34] <shiftplusone> gordonDrogon, I have and that has not been my experience, at least not more-so than with other languages. I think some people's brains need a little re-wiring before they get the gist of programming in general and it doesn't matter what language it is, as long as it's sensible.
[11:35] <gordonDrogon> and while some companies are now employing Python programmers, there are many more employing C, Java, PHP, etc. programmers.
[11:36] <[Saint]> C and ARM ASM are pretty important these days.
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[11:36] <shiftplusone> no argument there.
[11:36] <hendry> gordonDrogon: when reading a PIN, is -p needed? or is `sudo ./gpio read 15` <-- the correct way?
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[11:36] <shiftplusone> I think once they get the hang of the concepts of variables, loops and general flow control, move onto C.
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[11:36] <gordonDrogon> hendry, never sudo gpio - if installed correctly it's already setuid root.
[11:36] <shiftplusone> I have no objections to starting with C either.
[11:36] <gordonDrogon> hendry, -p is for the PiFace board only.
[11:37] <[Saint]> LUA is a reasonable middleground.
[11:37] <[Saint]> But less and less relevant as time goes on.
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[11:37] <gordonDrogon> when I was at uny, they taught us Pascal, FORTRAN and COBOL )-:
[11:37] <gordonDrogon> (1980)
[11:38] <hendry> gordonDrogon: now sure why you have ./build... make, sudo make install # would be nicer :}
[11:38] <shiftplusone> or ASM, for that matter, as long as there's lots of support. I have seen professors throw ASM at people and leave them alone to figure it out. When they asked tutors for help, they just gave non-answers to discourage spoon-feeding answers. Those students failed hard. Luckily I already knew what I was doing by that stage.
[11:38] <hendry> gordonDrogon: i found gpio# make install
[11:38] <gordonDrogon> however the clever ones then got lots of money at Y2K time changing the old cobol programs and the other clever ones went from Pascal to Ada and wrote rocket programs. I found C and went into robotics...
[11:38] <gordonDrogon> hendry, all the makefiles are there - the ./build is just for convenience.
[11:38] <gordonDrogon> hendry, make sure you sudo make install
[11:39] <hendry> gordonDrogon: done that now
[11:39] * [Saint] studied electrical engineering, and regrets it immensely
[11:39] <gordonDrogon> actually, I found that the hardware I was using at the time didn't support C, so found BCPL ...
[11:39] <[Saint]> (wasn't my passion)
[11:39] * nx5_off is now known as nx5
[11:40] <Xark> shiftplusone: I assume this was a "weeding out" course intended to wean all those not already cluefull.
[11:40] <[Saint]> Luckily, I became horrible addicted to hard drugs, so lack of employment options wasn't an issue. ;)
[11:40] <shiftplusone> Xark, maybe, but such methods, applied to all other courses, would weed out everyone.
[11:41] <gordonDrogon> hendry, some of thos motion detectors need 10 seconds of "stillness" to reset, then when they trigger there is a few seconds of staying triggered. maybe you need more patience.
[11:41] <Xark> Yeah, not a fan of that (I avoided computer classes).
[11:41] <gordonDrogon> it's probably true to say that a lot of people attracted to computing have some other "issues" ....
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[11:42] <Xark> :D
[11:42] <Xark> Good thing those issues pay extra in the workplace. :)
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[11:44] <gordonDrogon> hendry, https://projects.drogon.net/halloween-pi/ has some writings on using a PIR - the one I used needs a good 10 seconds of nothingness before it will "arm" itself.
[11:44] <gordonDrogon> Xark, sometimes!
[11:44] <gordonDrogon> one of the issue with BASIC is the legacy of the GOTO command )-:
[11:44] <gordonDrogon> and all that goes with it.
[11:45] <gordonDrogon> however... if you remove the line numbers then GOTO is impossible to use - so I removed the line numbers in RTB/FUZE (well, made them optional)
[11:45] * Xark still finds uses for GOTO in C (rarely, but sometimes) :)
[11:46] <gordonDrogon> sure - and the Linux kernel is full of them :)
[11:47] <Xark> Bingo! :D
[11:47] <gordonDrogon> there was one goto in the RTB source code at one point, but I recoded that section - not with the aim of getting rid of the goto, but for a better way to do it.
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[11:48] <gordonDrogon> RTB/FUZE is a mix of straighforward coding and some stuff that tries to be fast/efficient.
[11:48] <Xark> Yeah, goto is nothing to be proud of, but sometimes it is in fact the best primitive for the job. :)
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[11:51] <gordonDrogon> http://unicorn.drogon.net/snake.rtb <-- example RTB/FUZE program and one of these days I'll tidy it up.
[11:52] <Xark> Hmm, doesn't even seem too evil vs old-school BASIC (which was a mess of PEEK/POKE). :)
[11:53] <Xark> It would be interesting to compare Python version (if possible).
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[11:54] <[SLB]> anyone using rpi cam web interface from silvanmelchior and updated it yesterday?
[11:56] <hendry> thanks gordonDrogon
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[14:10] <computer2000> how can i run a script only on first login but not again when logging in with ssh? so the script doesnt get loaded twice
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[14:12] <Demon_Jester> Does this only load once when you log in and it doesn't load again on the second login? BUT it resets when the rpi has been rebooted?
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[14:15] <computer2000> Demon_Jester: its a bash script wich gets loaded by .bash_rc on login
[14:16] <computer2000> i just want it to load once on boot after regular login, but not when i login later with ssh from remote location
[14:17] <Demon_Jester> Ok, I gotcha. Hmmm
[14:17] <Demon_Jester> thats kind of new territory, I never made a bash script to load upon login (which heck didn't know you could do that)
[14:18] <pksato> to identify ssh or local, check tty name (tty command).
[14:18] <pksato> to run once at first login after boot, create a file on /dev/shm/, if exists, end script.
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[14:29] <mrnugget> Any ideas as what to do when only the red LED comes on and nothing else happens? Pi worked fine on saturday (raspbmc). TV showed no connection on sunday. Re-plugged the pi and it didn't boot again. Only the red power led came on. Reformatted the SD card and tried the raspbmc installer and NOOBS - nothing works. Any ideas as to what I could try?
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[14:33] <Lyn> I have an NVIDIA graphics card intended for desktop computers, can I connect it to a Raspberry Pi?
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[14:35] <IT_Sean> Lyn: No.
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[14:56] <risu> what's a good watchdog tutorial for model b?
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[14:59] <gordonDrogon> mrnugget, the "usual" thing to check in this instance is the power supply...
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[14:59] <gordonDrogon> mrnugget, but the green ACT LED ought to give you a brief blip on initial power up - if you don't even get that, double-check the SD card and that its seated properly in the Pi, but also check the PSU.
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[15:06] <featheredfrog> mood gorning
[15:06] <computer2000> does anyone have experience with using e-paper displays with raspberry pi?
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[15:12] <HoloPed> hi, can someone recommend a USB Wifi that has external antenna? (and works with the PI)
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[15:12] <IT_Sean> Why do you need an external antenna?
[15:13] <AbbyTheRat> IT_Sean: I get the feeling it feels like it would pick up signals best
[15:13] <AbbyTheRat> bit like a plabo effect
[15:13] <AbbyTheRat> it's bigger so it must work better
[15:13] <AbbyTheRat> bit l.. ah.. I er.. nvm
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[15:14] <Demon_Jester> IT_Sean: Probably holoped lives in a big house, and the nano receivers won't be enough?
[15:14] <Demon_Jester> holoped: http://elinux.org/RPi_USB_Wi-Fi_Adapters
[15:15] <HoloPed> Demon_Jester, I'm mounting a PI on a quadcopter
[15:15] <HoloPed> want max range I can get
[15:15] <Demon_Jester> there you go. I am using AWUS036NH
[15:15] <AbbyTheRat> ah, make sense
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[15:15] <IT_Sean> You want a nano receiver. External antenna = HEAVY
[15:16] <HoloPed> I have 500 grams avaibale to lift
[15:16] <Demon_Jester> holoped: are you going to control the quadcopter with rpi or what will be the purpose of the rpi?
[15:16] <HoloPed> no, just stream video back
[15:16] <mrnugget> gordonDrogon: do you think the power supply could be an issue after 3 month of successfully using it?
[15:16] <HoloPed> its a first person view
[15:17] <gordonDrogon> mrnugget, hard to tell - if you have a voltmeter, connect it across TP1 and TP2 and check the voltage.
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[15:17] <HoloPed> AWUS036NH is good ?
[15:17] <gordonDrogon> mrnugget, or alterntatively power it off something else - e.g. your desktop PC, laptop ,etc.
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[15:18] <Demon_Jester> holoped: Ok, I see, if you are streaming the video back onto laptop I would recommend putting rpi into AP mode with nano receiver, and just use a external antenna (I have a yagi antenna) on your laptop
[15:18] <mrnugget> gordonDrogon: good tipps. Thanks. Will try as soon this SD card is "securely" formatted (trying this now, with OS X disk utility, after reformatting with SD Formatter didn't bring any results)
[15:19] <HoloPed> Demon_Jester, why ? Wont an antenna on the pi help as well ?
[15:20] <Demon_Jester> holoped: the AWUS036NH that would require powered hub. Umm here maybe this will suit your needs http://www.adafruit.com/products/1030
[15:20] <IT_Sean> Not really.... It's just extra weight. Weight you then can't use for a bigger battery, or a better camera, or whatever.
[15:20] <mrnugget> gordonDrogon: last time I had this problem I bought a new SD card since I couldn't format the used one (not readable anymore). But this one is still readable/formattable by the PC, so I don't want to conclude that it's the card, yet
[15:21] <computer2000> does anyone have experience with using e-paper displays with raspberry pi?
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[15:22] <Demon_Jester> holoped: if you have a strong antenna on your end that can reach the nano receiver you won't need external antenna on the rpi. On my openwrt router (tp link wr703n) the internal antenna range is not that big, one day I did a test with my yagi and with direct line of site I was able to connect to my openwrt router from 377 feet away with 3 out of 4 bars.
[15:22] <Demon_Jester> holoped: Of course though thats yagi antenna. not omnidirectional antenna.
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[15:25] <HoloPed> how directional is it ?
[15:25] <HoloPed> what is the cone angle
[15:25] <Demon_Jester> Gimme one second I bought this antenna back in 2012
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[15:26] <Demon_Jester> i mean 2013* its been a while since I have checked its specs
[15:26] <HoloPed> Demon_Jester, what do you connect the yagi to ? AWUS036NH?
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[15:28] <Demon_Jester> holoped: yes or awus036n anyways this is the antenna I use http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B0044D7J1W/ref=oh_details_o07_s00_i00?ie=UTF8&psc=1
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[15:30] <pksato> its is a emp device. :)
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[16:11] <mrnugget> gordonDrogon: formatted the SD card, put Raspbmc on there with Pifiller, tried to boot: nothing. Just the red LED. Changed the power adapter: works, boots up.
[16:11] <mrnugget> gordonDrogon: strange thing is: the power adapter worked for 3 months
[16:12] <gordonDrogon> mrnugget, they're often made to a budget...
[16:12] <IT_Sean> your powwr adapter when fzzlpop then
[16:12] <gordonDrogon> if you bought it in the UK from a reputable dealer, then it's worth while sending back, but if off ebay, etc. then ....
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[16:13] <IT_Sean> Really... Is it even worth the bother?
[16:14] <mrnugget> gordonDrogon: got it off amazon.de, where it was recommended to work fine with the Pi. But I guess, oh well, 3 euros don't buy you a reliable piece of equipment..
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[16:20] <mrnugget> And it seems like Pifiller works but using Raspbmc's `install.py` doesn't. Boots after flashing SD with Pifiller, not after using install.py
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[16:24] <AbbyTheRat> o_o
[16:24] * AbbyTheRat stares at the bait
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[16:27] * AbbyTheRat looks at IT_Sean, what is this?
[16:27] * IT_Sean says nothing
[16:28] * AbbyTheRat turns her nose up at it and wanders to do some coding on pi
[16:28] <IT_Sean> (e_e)
[16:29] <sqrrl> what's recommended? openvpn or strongswan (ikev2)?
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[16:30] <sqrrl> want win7 to be able to connect to the beast
[16:30] <AbbyTheRat> there's also rdp but to what's recommended. no idea
[16:30] <sqrrl> rdp?
[16:31] <sqrrl> is it not that remode desktop protocol thing which noone uses anyway
[16:31] <AbbyTheRat> yeah you can install xrdp, then use windows remote desktop to connect to it
[16:31] <AbbyTheRat> without having to install software
[16:31] <AbbyTheRat> I use it all the time
[16:31] <sqrrl> uhm
[16:31] <sqrrl> and why would i do that if i want vpn?
[16:32] <AbbyTheRat> oh I misread, forgive me
[16:32] <AbbyTheRat> I read it as vnc
[16:32] <sqrrl> oh
[16:32] * sqrrl pats AbbyTheRat
[16:32] <AbbyTheRat> explains why I was confuse by strongswan, oopie
[16:32] * AbbyTheRat is patted, her ears turned down
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[16:34] <AbbyTheRat> I'm honestly not sure what vpn software is recommended for raspberry pi. Let me hunt around to see, if no-one else answers
[16:35] <sqrrl> i like the name strongswan.
[16:36] <AbbyTheRat> it seems like there's more support for openVPN over strongswan
[16:38] <sqrrl> yes, but win7 natively supports only the latter. and. it's a nice name
[16:38] <sqrrl> didn't find any nice comparisons, me
[16:38] <AbbyTheRat> seems like it depends on what features you want to use
[16:39] <AbbyTheRat> mhm, nor me, having to put together some info together to build up a picture
[16:39] <AbbyTheRat> as far as I Can tell, openvpn is easier to setup
[16:39] <AbbyTheRat> and has more support
[16:39] <AbbyTheRat> but strongswan can support a few things better then openvpn on pi
[16:40] <sqrrl> http://teebeenator.blogspot.com/2013/06/strongswan-for-raspberry-pi.html <- this guide is way shorter than that for openvpn
[16:40] <AbbyTheRat> It seems to me that you're settled on strongswan :)
[16:40] <sqrrl> lacking details tough
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[16:40] <sqrrl> i like the name :<
[16:41] <AbbyTheRat> if it goes wrong or it's not up to your need, you can always try openvpn later
[16:41] <AbbyTheRat> although backup is recommended
[16:41] <AbbyTheRat> as always.
[16:41] <sqrrl> backups. sigh
[16:42] <AbbyTheRat> as is.. people will always have an opinion of what's recommended for stuff
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[16:47] <ShorTie> backup's of the rPi sdcard are important, if you got any real data o them at least
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[16:49] <computer2000> anyone has experience with e-paper displays and raspberry pi?
[16:49] <IT_Sean> computer2000: you have asked that same question three times now that I have seen and gotten no response. You may get better results in the forums.
[16:50] <AbbyTheRat> It's certainly not something I've seen in my travels on google
[16:50] <AbbyTheRat> computer2000: is this what you're talking about?
[16:50] <AbbyTheRat> http://www.embeddedartists.com/products/displays/lcd_27_epaper.php *
[16:50] <AbbyTheRat> it helps to paste the link, it really does.
[16:51] <ShorTie> thread in the forums @ http://www.raspberrypi.org/forum/viewtopic.php?f=41&t=35206 on them
[16:51] <atouk> https://github.com/Skookum/pi-epaper
[16:52] * ShorTie wonders how the foundation display is progressing
[16:52] <AbbyTheRat> http://www.adafruit.com/products/1346
[16:52] <computer2000> AbbyTheRat: exactly, but im using the 7.4" display from pervasive displays without the dev-board from embedded artists - i need to program an interface via SPI by myself, and ive never dealt with SPI programming
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[16:52] <computer2000> atouk: thx but that lib is only for the 2.7" display... im using the 7.4"
[16:52] <AbbyTheRat> computer2000: that's the question you should of asked in the first place :)
[16:53] <atouk> use as a framework. why reinvent the wheel
[16:54] <AbbyTheRat> I agree with atouk, if it works for 2.7, chances are, it be easier to scale it up for 7.4 instead of re-writing codes for the 7.4 directly
[16:54] <computer2000> AbbyTheRat: the thing is, the skookum lib that atouk pointed out is for use with the dev-board from embedded artists, which does not exist for the 7.4" display. it comes with an own dev-board, for which there is no open source lib like that other one...
[16:55] <computer2000> at least thats what ive found out until now
[16:56] <computer2000> new terrain!
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[16:56] <AbbyTheRat> always fun and scary to be blazing a new trail
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[16:57] <computer2000> any of you ever programmed an SPI interface to some device?
[16:58] <AbbyTheRat> I haven't, sadly.
[16:58] <ShorTie> wiringPi does, might help to look at that
[16:58] <computer2000> yeah saw that earlier, will look into it
[16:58] <featheredfrog> Can anyone suggest a favored USB hub for use with a Model A?
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[17:00] <AbbyTheRat> if not, computer2000, you could have a go with it.. here's a tutional for a simple SPI http://www.100randomtasks.com/simple-spi-on-raspberry-pi - just need to read the docs for your dev-board for what infomation to send
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[17:03] <computer2000> AbbyTheRat: you think i dont need an engineers degree for that? seems so to me...
[17:03] <computer2000> lol
[17:04] <AbbyTheRat> I'm sure you know how to wire it to your gpio, right?
[17:04] <ShorTie> wiringPi/devLib has some lcd displays in it too, that might help
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[17:05] <atouk> http://www.raspberry-projects.com/pi/programming-in-c/spi/using-the-spi-interface
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[17:07] <AbbyTheRat> computer2000: you're going to have to just pick a path to try and just go with it.
[17:07] <AbbyTheRat> And backup your work before hand
[17:07] <AbbyTheRat> no-one learns by doing nothing
[17:07] <computer2000> and order a spare dev-board for the display if i burn the one i have :-)
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[17:08] <AbbyTheRat> as long as you have it wired up correctly, I can't see it get burned but I'm new
[17:08] <ShorTie> you gotta look up the chips on the board and go from there
[17:09] <ShorTie> dev-board doesn't really say what it is
[17:10] <computer2000> well its a board to hook up the display and that exposes a SPI interface
[17:10] <AbbyTheRat> yeah but the chip is what you need to know to understand what bytes to send to the spi interface
[17:10] <ShorTie> biggest thing is to make sure no return lines are hooked up if it runs on 5v i would think
[17:11] <computer2000> AbbyTheRat: i have the complete doc/datasheet of it
[17:11] <computer2000> ShorTie: it runs on 3.3v and the raspberry pi has a vout pin with that exact voltage
[17:12] <ShorTie> it does, how nice
[17:13] <AbbyTheRat> very convience.. computer2000, I think you're thinking it's harder then it actually is :)
[17:13] <computer2000> im just really confused with all that "leading/trailing edge", "most/least significant bit", clock, etc terms
[17:14] <computer2000> and the commands have to be sent as bytes, with hex codes and so on
[17:14] <AbbyTheRat> oh, I think leading/trailing edge talks about the screen position, most/least is er.. argh, I knew this
[17:15] <AbbyTheRat> yeah, but that's easy with programming language
[17:17] <atouk> http://www.ni.com/white-paper/9119/en/
[17:18] <atouk> section 4. leading edge vs trailing edge
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[17:22] <atouk> http://ureddit.com/class/72818/an-introduction-to-digital-electronics
[17:23] <computer2000> atouk: wow well that would almost lead me to a engineers degree i guess
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[17:23] <computer2000> "flip flops" omg
[17:25] <atouk> any accomplished hobbyist is just an engineer without a sheepskin
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[17:34] <AbbyTheRat> I knew the term leading edge and trailing edge for a wing
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[18:06] <zaccanasta> hi all, anyone using pidora?
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[18:33] <AbbyTheRat> ask your question, what's the problem you're having?
[18:33] <AbbyTheRat> zaccanasta
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[18:35] <zaccanasta> i need to compile a module
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[18:35] <AbbyTheRat> is compiling the module causing problems?
[18:36] <AbbyTheRat> or you don't know how to compile a module?
[18:36] <zaccanasta> raspberrypi-kernel-devel is empty
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[18:36] <zaccanasta> i can't compile it
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[18:37] <pksato> what module? you installed need pkgs to compile kernel?
[18:38] <pksato> or, build a crosscopile environment to do job?
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[18:38] <zaccanasta> problem is raspberrypi-kernel-devel contains no files on pidora
[18:38] <zaccanasta> it's a module for RasClock
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[18:39] <pksato> I dont know pidora.
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[18:41] <zaccanasta> is it difficult to set up a cross compiling environment^
[18:41] <zaccanasta> ?
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[18:54] <AbbyTheRat> zaccanasta: I suggest pkgs
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[18:56] <AbbyTheRat> http://trac.proximity.on.ca/projects/rpfr/ticket/324 this seem to be the issue
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[18:56] <AbbyTheRat> http://koji.pidora.ca/koji/buildinfo?buildID=59937
[18:57] <AbbyTheRat> zaccanasta: maybe this will help - http://jasoncarman.wordpress.com/2013/11/16/pidora-kernel-building-part-1/
[18:57] <AbbyTheRat> right now, I have to go
[19:00] <zaccanasta> thx
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[19:07] <Scriptonaut> any of you guys running the arch arm distro?
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[19:09] <ShorTie> now and then, why what sup ??
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[19:24] <Taylor> What's the safest way to reboot the pi if you've lost communication with it?
[19:24] <IT_Sean> perform a shutdown locally, then power cycle.
[19:24] <gordonDrogon> just pull the plug when the green LED isn't flashing.
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[19:25] <atouk> hit it with a hammer and buy a new one. support the pi foundation!
[19:25] * ShorTie snickers
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[19:27] <pksato> Taylor: on remote site?
[19:27] <Taylor> Well if I lost communication there's not much I can do remotely, right?
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[19:28] <atouk> http://www.adafruit.com/blog/2013/01/18/auto-reboot-a-hung-raspberry-pi-using-the-on-board-watchdog-timer-piday-raspberrypi-raspberry_pi/
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[19:40] <[SLB]> this weekend richard stallman is coming to university for a talk and have dinner with us eheh
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[19:44] <Jusii> free dinner
[19:44] <[SLB]> no 25 euros each, lol
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[19:45] <[SLB]> maybe free for him >_<
[19:46] <pksato> Its covers photo with him? :)
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[19:46] <[SLB]> i suppose so eheh, but i also suppose we'll be so many so it would be quite difficult :P
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[19:48] <IT_Sean> Who?
[19:49] <ShorTie> oh well, he just blow it to me with his 'reducing student loan interest rates by taxing millionaires more' stuff
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[19:49] <ShorTie> guy he came with GNU
[19:49] <[SLB]> eheh
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[19:51] <ShorTie> plus he's a greenie, blaaa...
[19:51] <[SLB]> lol
[19:52] <doublehp> i have one rpi, and two SDcards; a very old one where i installed 2012-12-16-wheezy-raspbian.img long time ago, and it works fine. Today i bought a new SDcard, installed the exact same distro on it, but after a random time, the network goes out (no more ping). What could cause that ? same rpi (got only one), exactly same raspbian ...
[19:53] <doublehp> can not be a hardware issue; hardly a distro issue
[19:53] <ShorTie> if the only thing changed is the sdcard, might be the sdcard .. :/~
[19:53] <doublehp> the random amount of time before cnx loss is between 5s and a few minutes
[19:54] <doublehp> the sdcard is a brand new sandisk ... you mean i already/AGAIN have a badblock ?
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[19:58] <doublehp> and, i really don't think it's a badblock, because badblocks cause application crash; I never ever had a badblock causing a double kernel panic causing a ping-answer stop
[19:58] <doublehp> simple panics most often let ping continue
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[20:07] <Gadgetoid> Feel I should try FUZE, but I have 13 SD cards to set up
[20:09] <IT_Sean> .. so?
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[20:10] <Gadgetoid> Who knows, just outlining problems I don't really have!
[20:12] <IT_Sean> also... set up one SD card, then image it and copy to 12 more.
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[20:12] <IT_Sean> *BAM!* Job done.
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[20:14] <gordonDrogon> Gadgetoid, try it - it's great ;-)
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[20:15] <Gadgetoid> IT_Sean: I think imaging is slower than a network install, might have to involve some more SD slots
[20:15] <gordonDrogon> Gadgetoid, use rsync to copy the golden image to new SD cards - much faster than dd.
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[20:16] <Gadgetoid> gordonDrogon: Ahh, I did find dd horribly, horribly slow
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[20:17] <gordonDrogon> letme fire up my laptop wit the scripts I use on it..
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[20:19] <gordonDrogon> http://unicorn.drogon.net/clone.txt
[20:20] <gordonDrogon> assumes the SD card is already partitioned and has /boot copied already onto it, but you can use the same mechanism to copy /boot.
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[20:20] <gordonDrogon> image is a directory with a complete image.
[20:23] <gordonDrogon> I think dd also reduces the SD cards ability to wear level too - as it force writes every block once - there are hidden spare blocks, but even so I don't think its ultimately the best way.
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[20:25] <Gadgetoid> Hmmm, interesting
[20:25] <Gadgetoid> Probably not so bad if it's the first write
[20:26] <gordonDrogon> yea.
[20:26] <Gadgetoid> Wonder if that slows down the copy, too, if you don't have TRIM to erase blocks then you need an erase/write cycle
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[20:26] <gordonDrogon> however until last night I'd never had a bad SD card...
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[20:27] <gordonDrogon> it should only be doing a TRIM if you mount it with the discard option.
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[20:27] <gordonDrogon> I used mkfs -t ext4 on my bad sd card which did a trim/erase of the whole partition - and now badblocks works fine on it.
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[20:28] <Gadgetoid> Should I format these brand new cards?
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[20:33] <doublehp> 2012-12-16-wheezy-raspbian.img is 1.8G big, and takes 1.5G used space after first boot. 2014-01-07-wheezy-raspbian.img is 2.8G, does this mean it will use 2.5G after first boot ?
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[20:35] <doublehp> for img files: ls -lh
[20:35] <doublehp> for after first boot: df -h
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[20:40] <gordonDrogon> Gadgetoid, yes, you'll need to partition them anyway - unless they're already done, but I'd re-format if they are.
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[20:55] <Fluubi> Hi
[20:56] <Fluubi> Do you know a good ftp service easy to change the port ?
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[20:57] <Fluubi> And speaking of ports i just need to tell my services to listen on the specific ports i opened on my gatewat for my pi's IP ?
[20:57] <Fluubi> gateway
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[20:58] <Fluubi> I don't need to specify the link like 80 on the pi goes to 9999 on my gateway ?
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[20:58] <Fluubi> From what I've seen with apache, changing only the listening port worked
[20:59] <Fluubi> but for vsftpd it worked a bit but i cant ls the files (something about ftp being in passive mode)
[21:00] <Fluubi> So i tried to roam a bit the interweb and i saw people telling ftp setup can be very painful
[21:00] <Fluubi> And the vsftpd config is a bit vaudoo to me
[21:00] <Fluubi> so i was wondering if you knew a better easier/ftp service that would be easier to change the port ?
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[21:07] <saki`> hi!
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[21:08] <saki`> i got an SD card with my raspberry pi, but i'm concerned that it shows up as not working in the list of sd cards that are supported.
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[21:09] <saki`> i haven't opened it yet, in case i have to return it
[21:09] <saki`> kingston 8gb SD10V
[21:10] <IT_Sean> Why don't you try it before you start worrying.
[21:12] <saki`> okay. won't hurt to try it? i wasn't sure if it would mess with the board somehow
[21:12] <IT_Sean> It won't damage the raspi
[21:12] <saki`> okay cool
[21:12] <IT_Sean> try it and see if it works.
[21:13] <IT_Sean> The worst thing that will happen is the raspi will not boot off of it.
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[21:16] <Kake_Fisk> My putty is lagging. Maybe my pi wants a break?
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[21:17] <dsalex1> hi
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[21:21] <dsalex1> can someone help me to set up my raspberrypi with only a composite monitor and a usb mouse i mean without a keyboard ? in every tutorial the terminal is used... i'd prefer raspbian wheezy
[21:22] <IT_Sean> You are going to, at some point, need a keyboard, unless you SSH in to do the initial setup.
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[21:29] <dsalex1> i want to use SSH later but first of all i have to get an os to boot - if i write the img file to the sd card will i be able to connect to it via SSH ?
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[21:31] <dsalex1> without to configurate anything on first startup ?
[21:32] <dsalex1> IT_Sean ?
[21:32] <IT_Sean> Most OSes have SSH enabled by default.
[21:32] <IT_Sean> Read the documentation for your OS of choice.
[21:33] <dsalex1> ok thanks
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[21:36] <Kake_Fisk> How can I run a program independent of the console?
[21:38] <rikkib> name &
[21:38] <rikkib> send program into background
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[21:41] <Jusii> but then it'll still depend of the console
[21:41] <Jusii> nohup program &
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[21:46] <Kake_Fisk> Okay, I could try that. thanks
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[22:15] <sqrrl> how do i check if i have certain kernel modules?
[22:16] <sqrrl> and, anyone has successfully installed strongswan?
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[23:06] <sdprg_> Hi!
[23:06] <sdprg_> Anyone active?
[23:06] <ShorTie> nop
[23:07] <ShorTie> hehe, whats sup ??
[23:07] <sdprg_> Great
[23:07] <sdprg_> I have a question
[23:07] <ShorTie> got an answer, 2
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[23:07] <sdprg_> Using the piNoir camera, can I use an 850nm filter to filter out "everything" without the ir spectrum?
[23:08] <sdprg_> And if possible, how hard is it to apply said filter?
[23:08] <ShorTie> not sure what cha mean
[23:09] <ShorTie> you mean add back in the blue filter to get back to the right colors ??
[23:10] <sdprg_> There is a Raspberry Pi camera, and an official modification of it sold, called PiNoIR. The PiNoIR camera doesn't have the IR filter that normal cameras have, and thus doesn't filter out the IR spectrum. Can I put a filter on to get the IR wavelengths only?
[23:13] <pksato> or other part of light spectrum
[23:13] <ShorTie> i would guess so, since just adding another filter before the lens, you could do any thing you want
[23:14] <ShorTie> the advantange of the no-ir camera is that it does not have a filter
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[23:14] <ShorTie> you get to add your own
[23:15] <ShorTie> they give you a piece of the blue filter with the camera
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[23:16] <ShorTie> just like any camera, you can add the filters you want before the lens
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[23:18] <ShorTie> are you trying to make it see more like heat ??
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[23:19] <sdprg> Hi again, sorry for the dc, internet here at campus is a little whacky sometimes :s
[23:19] <sdprg> Are you still on?
[23:21] <ShorTie> hehe, didn't notice you were gone .. :/~
[23:21] <sdprg> Oh , hehehe.... Did you have an answer for my question? :P
[23:21] <ShorTie> they give you a piece of the blue filter with the camera
[23:21] <ShorTie> just like any camera, you can add the filters you want before the lens
[23:21] <pksato> but, no-ir still have rgb bayer filter.
[23:21] <sdprg> ...And the blue filter does? :)
[23:21] <ShorTie> are you trying to make it see more like heat ??
[23:22] <pksato> if I recall, is a uv high pass filter.
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[23:26] <ShorTie> it might be easier if we knew what you want to take a piceture of instead of talking wavelengths
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[23:46] <blockh34d> hi anyone setup an app install script for the pistore?
[23:47] <blockh34d> i'm wondering about accessing the path of the current user, since it seems like the pistore runs as root, or it installs stuff as root anyways
[23:48] <ShorTie> most installs are at root, hence the sudo if not at root
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[23:52] <blockh34d> so where is typical location i install my app to?
[23:52] <blockh34d> /usr/share/myapp ?
[23:52] <ShorTie> like /where/ever/you/want
[23:52] <blockh34d> oh ok
[23:53] <blockh34d> is there any sort of standard though?
[23:53] <ShorTie> depends on what you are doing
[23:53] <blockh34d> i was putting it all in the users home folder but now that seems a little more problematic if i dont know for sure the users name/path
[23:53] <blockh34d> its a little video player gui
[23:53] <blockh34d> python app, uses omxplayer, adds playlist and buttons, basic stuff
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[23:54] <blockh34d> all text mode though so it works from ssh (mouse even, via curses)
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[23:55] <ShorTie> in /usr/local/bin might be nice
[23:56] <ShorTie> in /usr/bin are most of te binaries for the program installed by os
[23:57] <blockh34d> hmm ok as is i put the hleper scripts in usr/bin
[23:57] <blockh34d> i like the sound of usr/local/bin better though, since one of the the scripts is named 'play' and thats so common i worry about aconflict
[23:57] <blockh34d> btw i need beta testers if you'd like a copy
[23:58] <ShorTie> not right now
[23:58] <ShorTie> you could always sart a thread in the forums
[23:58] <ShorTie> start*

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