#raspberrypi IRC Log

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IRC Log for 2014-03-30

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[0:34] <philipp__> hi, i am experiencing a VERY BAD internet connection on my raspberry pi when i use openvpn. i dont know what could cause that...
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[0:44] <philipp__> anyone here? hello?
[0:44] <geordie> hi philipp__
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[0:44] <philipp__> hi, i am experiencing a VERY BAD internet connection on my raspberry pi when i use openvpn. i dont know what could cause that...
[0:44] <geordie> does it work when you're not using the vpn
[0:44] <geordie> philipp__: you don't need to repeat yourself in IRC
[0:45] <philipp__> geordie: yea it works on normal speed then
[0:45] <philipp__> geordie: sry i repeated because i had a disconnect... i was not sure if it EVER got sent
[0:45] <geordie> ah
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[0:45] <geordie> do you use openvpn on another machine and does it work properly there?
[0:47] <philipp__> geordie: yes, on my desktop it can download with 1.5 mb+ , the ra pi without vpn makes about 1.5 too with vpn its like 20 kb
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[0:50] <philipp__> geordie: any idea what could cause that? any idea where i find a log?
[0:50] <geordie> philipp__: i don't much about openvpn unfortunately
[0:50] <geordie> don't know much that is
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[0:51] <pksato> philipp__: change protocol from udp (default) to tcp.
[0:51] <pksato> on some case, udp have a high data loss.
[0:51] <geordie> philipp__: in addition to what pksato said, there is a #openvpn channel here on freenode
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[0:53] <philipp__> pksato: sry i was just checking if the firewall is the issue (its not)
[0:54] <philipp__> pksato: one sec i give you the config i use...
[0:54] <philipp__> geordie: http://bpaste.net/show/195441/
[0:55] <pksato> udp have problems to transpass some type of firewall.
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[0:55] <philipp__> pksato: its not the firewall... i flushed all rules and still had the problem but can you tell me how to switch to tcp anyway?
[0:56] <philipp__> pksato: oh... i guess changing to proto: tcp
[0:56] <pksato> proto=tcp on conf on both sides
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[1:02] <philipp__> pksato: i dont think its tcp/udp anywas... my pc that is also connected to the same rooter as the pi is not having any issue using udp
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[1:09] <pksato> philipp__: big ssl key?
[1:11] <philipp__> pksato: 4 000 bit
[1:12] <pksato> no more tips...
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[1:15] <philipp__> pksato: explain. too large? :)
[1:16] <pksato> need to check rpi cpu usage.
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[1:17] <pksato> compression need lots of cpu
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[1:19] <philipp__> pksato: i think its fine http://bpaste.net/show/uTfGKwIgKIwZLoHHK4hd/
[1:21] <philipp__> pksato: #openvpn is so dead...
[1:21] <pksato> rtorrent? and you expect to other net connection work proper? :)
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[1:22] <philipp__> pksato: thats not the problem... rtorrent is not getting ANY download speed eighter... its downloading with < 20 kb
[1:23] <pksato> speed is not the problem.
[1:23] <pksato> p2p normaly open a thousands of connections.
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[1:31] <pksato> http://www.raspberrypi.org/archives/6557 (lack voice of Majel)
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[3:30] <rikkib> Added compass module to my S08 development board for RPi wireless sensor. http://www.zlham.geek.nz/images/news/rpi-mc9s08-1.jpg
[3:30] <ShorTie> still compiling, lol.
[3:32] <rikkib> Now I have to write more software...
[3:34] <rikkib> Pretty simple anyway. Grab raw sensor data and add it to the return message when the RPi nRF24 link pings the S08 device (A state machine).
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[3:39] <ShorTie> looks nifty
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[3:58] <amasta> Hello. Does the Rasberry pi have a tls register? Where would be a good place to find this?
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[4:08] <Xark> amasta: I assume it uses Linux ABI, which doesn't require a machine register. The details are in http://infocenter.arm.com/help/topic/com.arm.doc.ihi0045d/IHI0045D_ABI_addenda.pdf but AFAIK basically GCC usess __tls_get_addr function which references the GOT (global object table) for the current threads offset into TLS area.
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[4:27] <[Saint]> Torrenting on a raspi...
[4:27] <[Saint]> Oh dear.
[4:27] <[Saint]> Why would you do that to yourself? Direct download would be faster in most cases.
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[4:57] <SpeedEvil> If your network is not the bottleneck
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[4:58] <SpeedEvil> s/not//
[4:59] <[Saint]> Hmmm. I guess.
[4:59] <[Saint]> The rest of the world needs to hurry up and get decent internet.
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[5:26] <blockh34d> i torrent on raspi all the time
[5:26] <blockh34d> qbittorrent ftw
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[5:26] <blockh34d> only gets up to 500k/sec or so before the usb write speed seems to be the bottleneck, but thats good enough for me
[5:27] <blockh34d> hey anyone know how to filter join/parts out of irssi?
[5:27] <blockh34d> maybe how to auto-identify?
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[5:35] <Poison[BLX]> blockh34d: auto-ident is easy enough, in a chatnets sub-block for freenode, include nick = "blockh34d"; and autosendcmd = "/msg NickServ identify secret ;wait 2000";
[5:36] <blockh34d> ok i kinda figured out how to do that with the /NETWORK ADD but it sounds like you're talking aobut tweaking a config file, which is kinda more my speed anyways
[5:36] <blockh34d> wheres this chatnets sub-block at?
[5:36] <Poison[BLX]> blockh34d: .irssi/config
[5:37] <blockh34d> thanks, seems kinda obvious now i shoulda just guessed
[5:37] <blockh34d> appreciate the tips!
[5:37] <Poison[BLX]> never hurts to ask
[5:37] <blockh34d> yah who knows maybe the obvious choice IS A TRAP!
[5:38] <blockh34d> gotta watch for it
[5:38] <blockh34d> lol i'm so paranoid anymore
[5:38] <blockh34d> i dont just think everyones out to get me
[5:38] <blockh34d> i'm starting to think everyones out to get everyone
[5:39] <blockh34d> well thanks, gonna go polish my tinfoil hat
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[5:40] <Poison[BLX]> seems oddly accurate this day and age, sadly enough :) ... as for filtering join/part, by the way, not a clue... never have bothered. They're handy when people disappear mid-chat.
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[5:40] <blockh34d> i guess i almost got it, except it tries to autojoin some channels before i've identified
[5:41] <blockh34d> gonna tweak out tha tfile a lil
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[5:42] <Poison[BLX]> blockh34d: that's what the "wait 2000;" part in there's for.
[5:43] <blockh34d> yah but it's connecting to the channels with auto-join enabled before that executes
[5:43] <blockh34d> i guess i can remove them from the channels block and add them to that auto command as another /JOIN statement
[5:43] <blockh34d> but it seems alittle less than ideal
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[5:45] <blockh34d> brb trying again
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[5:48] <blockh34d> i think i'm doing it wrong, still keeps trying to join #rpi before finishing identify, and thats even after i changed the 2000 to 4000 and removed the autojoin channels
[5:48] <blockh34d> its not a big deal i'm just bored and like to config things as well as i can
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[5:57] <blockh34d> what package do i have to remove to get rid of mathematica?
[5:58] <Poison[BLX]> pretty sure it's wolfram-engine
[5:58] <blockh34d> great thanks
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[5:59] <blockh34d> oh yah, 429 mb to be freed
[5:59] <blockh34d> BLOAT
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[5:59] <blockh34d> why put a 400+ meg thing like wolfram on default raspbian install?!
[5:59] <blockh34d> to me that makes no sense
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[6:00] <Poison[BLX]> well, of the various things that could be called bloat, mathematica's one of the more interesting. There's a dozen other things adding far sillier (granted, target audience appropriate) trinkets.
[6:00] <blockh34d> i'll remove them too
[6:01] <blockh34d> go ahead and list a few off if you want
[6:01] <blockh34d> yah i agree mathematica is neat but it seems very focused on specific demographics
[6:01] <blockh34d> maybe they could have a raspbian install specifically for fresh comp-sci majors
[6:01] <blockh34d> or whoever thats for
[6:02] <Poison[BLX]> anyone with any interest in avoiding doing their calc homework :P
[6:02] <blockh34d> yah not me
[6:02] <blockh34d> i think if thye want to not do their homework they should have to at least figure out how to install the cheat sheet
[6:02] <blockh34d> otherwise you're just making life too easy on em
[6:03] <blockh34d> first shark that swims by when they get outta the nursery is gonna gobble them up for being so dumb
[6:03] <Poison[BLX]> if I recall, it also competes a little with Matlab in some ways, though matlab's used a lot more around where I am, so I haven't really looked into mathematica's features.
[6:03] <blockh34d> yah i'm sure some folks love this thing
[6:03] <blockh34d> personally i think pi3d you be installed stock
[6:03] <blockh34d> with some demo helloworld type opengl games
[6:04] <blockh34d> that'll get people coding
[6:04] <blockh34d> but pi3d is pretty bloaty too i guess... kinda big anyways
[6:04] <blockh34d> pi3d you be = pi3d should be
[6:04] <blockh34d> not really sure how that typo happened, its pretty severe!
[6:05] <Poison[BLX]> heh, I should start playing with the Qt5 install I pulled in on my pi this morning, and I blame typos like that on autocorrect! :D
[6:05] <blockh34d> how did you get qt5 running?
[6:05] <blockh34d> and can you run meshlab now?
[6:05] <blockh34d> do you mind checking? i can run meshlab but get no display since no opengl qt win
[6:06] <blockh34d> theres a million qt5 cross compile how to's out there and they all exceed my attention span by a million steps
[6:07] <blockh34d> yah g/l, i should do the same, i'd love to get qt5 installed and happy on my pi
[6:08] <Poison[BLX]> I pulled in qt5 + wayland from a combination of the raspberrypi.collabora.com and twolife.be/raspbian repositories, not sure what all came from which.
[6:08] <blockh34d> i thought wayland was baked into the latest raspbain?
[6:08] <Poison[BLX]> I had wayland/weston running from collabora a while back, haven't tested Qt with it yet though
[6:09] <blockh34d> or is that weston? i can't keep any of that stuff straight
[6:09] <Poison[BLX]> both :)
[6:09] <blockh34d> oh ok
[6:09] <blockh34d> well its all greek to me
[6:09] <blockh34d> all i know is, HELLO HARDWARE ACCELERATION!
[6:09] <blockh34d> its purdy
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[6:09] <Poison[BLX]> wayland's not terribly useful without weston, wayland = X, weston = window manager
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[6:21] <Poison[BLX]> looks like meshlab's depending on qt4, which... yeah, still no joy in X there for that. Amazingly responsive in ssh-forwarded X though.
[6:22] <Poison[BLX]> No build in those repositories for it and... not sure how painful it'd be to build by hand.
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[6:34] <blockh34d> hmm so you can use meshlab from anothe rcomputer with x forwarding?
[6:34] <blockh34d> and it gives you a valid 3d display?
[6:34] <blockh34d> oh well i'm glad i didn't bother doing the qt5 thing then
[6:34] <blockh34d> my inspection of the logs made me think i needed qt5, or a better qt anyways
[6:34] <blockh34d> guess thats unrealistic
[6:35] <blockh34d> no good reason for meshlab not to work though
[6:35] <blockh34d> rpi can easily handle it
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[6:35] <blockh34d> thanks for checking that out
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[6:37] <Poison[BLX]> blockh34d: probably not great performance with any real model loaded, but yeah, X forwarding even caries GL (though generally poorly, due to the back and forth nature of gl rendering)
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[6:37] <blockh34d> yah the main thing i'm trying to get at is the poisson reconstruction
[6:37] <blockh34d> it can take a point cloud and make a (term?) closed manifold mesh out of it
[6:38] <blockh34d> i want to make some sort of webcam/picam based 3d scanner so meshlab would be perfect for post processing
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[6:38] <blockh34d> like david laser scanner but free
[6:38] <Poison[BLX]> ah, that's one I'd love to get ahold of the write-up on after the fact :)
[6:38] <blockh34d> and using picams so very high performance (comparatively)
[6:39] <blockh34d> an app like that?
[6:39] <blockh34d> david laserscanner basically is that app right now, and its kinda free
[6:39] <blockh34d> worth checking out
[6:39] <blockh34d> but i think it would be better 100% open source
[6:39] <Poison[BLX]> and... you might actually get better performance running the processing directly in the gpu on the pi with custom opencv code, but... that'd be a pretty big leap to write it.
[6:40] <blockh34d> it doesnt really take too long to process even in a worst case scneario
[6:40] <blockh34d> if you have a zillion point mesh cloud and it takes... 5 minutes to process... thats still pretty much amazing
[6:40] <blockh34d> i'm used to 386's
[6:40] <blockh34d> and waiting a day and a half for a lores render
[6:41] <blockh34d> 'used to' is probably wrong word
[6:41] <blockh34d> its what i learned on basically so i still code/hax like i was on one of those old POS's
[6:41] <blockh34d> sorry i think i broke ffriendliness a lil there
[6:41] <Poison[BLX]> and nah, not really interested in a fancy pre-made app, the how it was made to work, source code, and assorted "these were my pitfalls" post that generally follows a fun project of the sort :)
[6:42] <blockh34d> oh i see yah that would be a good one
[6:42] <blockh34d> its very intricate
[6:42] <blockh34d> uses a special made printout to calibrate to the webcam
[6:42] <blockh34d> so webcam knows exact orientation to scanning platter
[6:43] <blockh34d> and has an inverted cube you're looking into, so i fyou shine a laser level at it, theres only one plane that is defined by the two lines the laserlevel makes on the two edges of the scanning cube
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[6:43] <blockh34d> that plane, once defined, is how you extract the 3d data, which in a dark room, is the only thing illuminated to the webcam
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[6:44] <blockh34d> so the webcam knows anything that doesnt follow the lines established by those edge lines is somewhere else on the plane those lines define, and theres only one possible point in space they could be that translates to that space in the camera's pixel buffer
[6:44] <blockh34d> so with magic, and math, it extracts the 3d data for any one line at a time, as defined by the laser levels line
[6:44] <blockh34d> its really very impressive
[6:45] * Poison[BLX] nods
[6:45] <blockh34d> but kind of very expensive
[6:45] <blockh34d> $400 a license
[6:45] <blockh34d> or something like that
[6:45] <blockh34d> way too much imo
[6:45] <blockh34d> so maybe thats a project i bite off when i have time
[6:46] <blockh34d> first i get my media player on the pi store, then a picam/webcam camera streamer app, then this game i have almost done
[6:46] <blockh34d> btw any interest in helping me beta test my media player gui app? it just provides a playlist and basic gui for omxplayer
[6:46] <Poison[BLX]> I can see in my mind how it works from the physical side, but... coding and calibrating side of it I really would have to sit down with pen and paper before I'd get a guess at an approach
[6:46] <blockh34d> does it via curses so its all text mode and works from putty
[6:47] <blockh34d> works great for me pretty much 100% of the time
[6:47] <blockh34d> but my tester at pi store is having some sort of troubles and i'm trying to figure out if its them or me or what
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[6:48] <blockh34d> yah david laserscanner is a tricky bit of code, for sure
[6:48] <blockh34d> really a pretty neat magic trick
[6:48] <Poison[BLX]> my pi doesn't, precisely, have the most 'standard' of software loads, but sure :)
[6:48] <blockh34d> great i'll msg you the link
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[6:56] <blockh34d> i dunno if i've tried that
[6:56] <blockh34d> is it a samba share manager?
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[7:01] <blockh34d> do you access your samba shares via wifi or wired connection?
[7:02] <blockh34d> i have found media playback over wifi on a rpi seems to stutter at 1080p but not with wired
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[7:03] <blockh34d> seems like samba is caching the file onto the sdcard as it gets it from the remote source, and that makes the SD card write speed act as a bottle neck
[7:03] <blockh34d> just my guess whats happenign but i think thats it
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[7:05] <Poison[BLX]> My pi's on wired, but the host for the files is on wifi (flaky wired lan on my only windows box)
[7:05] <DVnity> Hello
[7:05] <DVnity> I'd like to set up my RPi so that I could connect it to over the network and develop remotely
[7:06] <DVnity> and then compile my code. For example, I'd like to work on Android applications over SSH (or VNC) and then compile it.
[7:06] <DVnity> What would be the quickest/easiest method for me to set up my Pi to handle most development languages and compilers?
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[7:09] <blockh34d> code blocks ide seems pretty nice, in the pi store (free)
[7:10] <blockh34d> also eclipse seems to do pretty much anything, and i kind of think you could get it to install on pi
[7:10] <blockh34d> but i dunno if i understand
[7:10] <blockh34d> do you want to run the IDE on anothe rcomp, win/mac, and then run the compiler on RPI?
[7:11] <blockh34d> Poison[BLX]: i think maybe in that scenario it would still work at the wired speed but i'm not sure it'd be interesting to find out
[7:12] <DVnity> blockh34d: I tend to use my chromebook a lot (basically a browser, so can't develop on it) - but I can SSH to my Pi or even VNC
[7:12] <DVnity> if needed.
[7:12] <DVnity> So I'd like to develop in either Vim if using SSH
[7:12] <blockh34d> some reason not to develop straight on the pi?
[7:12] <DVnity> or android-studio/other IDEs if using VNC
[7:12] <blockh34d> i do all the time, no problem
[7:12] <blockh34d> geanny runs great
[7:12] <DVnity> yeah sure, directly would be fine
[7:13] <blockh34d> but i'm just sicking some python together
[7:13] <DVnity> I'd just do it over a network, though
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[7:13] <blockh34d> oh try geany then its pretty swell
[7:13] <blockh34d> real lightweight i think, but still very functional
[7:14] <DVnity> Is it an IDE?
[7:14] <blockh34d> yah i guess
[7:14] <blockh34d> feels more like a fancy notepad but sure, its got a comopile button
[7:14] <blockh34d> i think its pretty much for python work but maybe it'd be good for any kind of scripting
[7:14] <DVnity> What languages wold it support?
[7:15] <DVnity> Ahh right.
[7:15] <blockh34d> for more serious compliation i think you'd want ot look at codeblocks, or eclipse
[7:15] <blockh34d> or commandline
[7:15] <DVnity> Would you think a Raspbian OS that I connect over SSH
[7:15] <DVnity> and use VIM for code
[7:15] <DVnity> and then compiling using command line be sufficient?
[7:15] <blockh34d> sounds pretty legit to me
[7:15] <blockh34d> i'm no expert but sounds like a good plan
[7:16] <blockh34d> what are you coding in?
[7:16] <DVnity> Java, primarily.
[7:16] <DVnity> Do some php, html and css for web apps too
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[7:16] <blockh34d> i don't do much java stuff but i dont see why it wouldnt work
[7:16] <DVnity> I currently use cloud9 for my developing needs
[7:16] <blockh34d> i havent tried it
[7:16] <DVnity> but I'd like to set up my Pi to pretty much do what it does.
[7:17] <DVnity> http://c9.io
[7:17] <blockh34d> i have made most of a lan deathmatch opengl game on the rpi 100%
[7:17] <DVnity> it's quite useful as it allows you to develop on-the-go
[7:17] <blockh34d> just to see if i could (work on an rpi that is
[7:17] <blockh34d> cool i'll check that out thanks
[7:17] <DVnity> but I'd like to use my Pi instead of it.
[7:17] <blockh34d> also this little media player gui app
[7:17] <blockh34d> do you ever watch media on your rpi?
[7:17] <DVnity> What are the limtations of Pi?
[7:17] <DVnity> No, not really.
[7:17] <DVnity> I don't actually use it at all
[7:18] <blockh34d> oh ok, i'm looking for beta testers
[7:18] <blockh34d> its a pretty good media center in the right situations
[7:18] <DVnity> nice
[7:18] <blockh34d> i think biggest limit of rpi is memory and from that, swapping speed
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[7:18] <DVnity> What about the ARM?
[7:18] <blockh34d> so when you run out of memory, it starts to swap, and its game over
[7:18] <blockh34d> seems like a champ to me
[7:18] <DVnity> I'm sure it must make some problems arise with compilers
[7:19] <blockh34d> i get 55+ fps in my game, splitscreen, 1080p
[7:19] <DVnity> seeing as most are made for x86 architecture
[7:19] <blockh34d> seems like times are changing
[7:19] <blockh34d> arm's got a lot of stuff compiled for it now
[7:19] <blockh34d> x86 is not the only game in town
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[7:22] <DVnity> Hmm, interesting.
[7:22] <DVnity> I'll have to give it a go, not sure if I could give up on GUIs
[7:22] <blockh34d> on rpi? its a good idea
[7:22] <DVnity> but it would make it a lot simpler if I could just connect to my Pi and continue where I left off, rather than having to use the same PC
[7:22] <blockh34d> gui's are for the weak
[7:22] <DVnity> haha
[7:22] <blockh34d> you have to have the will of the warrior to use an rpi like a normal computer
[7:22] <DVnity> but they're so quick to navigate
[7:22] <blockh34d> yah
[7:23] <blockh34d> my compromise is gui's made from curses
[7:23] <blockh34d> so they work in text mode using ascii art buttons
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[7:23] <DVnity> Fair enough I suppose
[7:23] <blockh34d> ugly but still works like you'd expect, and basically free to the cpu
[7:23] <DVnity> I just don't want to lose efficiency
[7:23] <blockh34d> 0.3% overhead for this media player
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[7:33] <aural> ooh, http://www.cnx-software.com/2014/03/01/raspberry-pi-gets-open-source-3d-graphics-drivers-and-documentation/
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[7:35] <steve_rox> anything fun going on?
[7:35] <blockh34d> thats pretty cool aural
[7:36] <blockh34d> steve_rox: i'm looking for beta testers if you'd like to try a omxplayer gui app i wrote
[7:36] <steve_rox> gui eh
[7:36] <blockh34d> yah i think it's pretty spiffy
[7:37] <blockh34d> handles fullscreen toggle mid playback, has a progress bar with seek and a playlist with shuffle
[7:37] <blockh34d> also a button you can press to toggle audio streams, and it uses curses and ascii art for the interface so its very lightweight and compatible with putty/ssh usage
[7:37] <blockh34d> would you like a link to the install zip?
[7:37] <steve_rox> so its not used in X?
[7:38] <steve_rox> interestin
[7:38] <blockh34d> well you can you use it in x just fine
[7:38] <blockh34d> i am righ tnow, works great
[7:38] <blockh34d> https://app.box.com/s/t1xihde101j5rpanobe7
[7:38] <shiftplusone> blockh34d, might be more correct to call it a TUI.
[7:38] <blockh34d> but you can use it a lot of different ways
[7:38] <blockh34d> yah i was trying to think of a better UI term
[7:38] <blockh34d> NGUI
[7:38] <blockh34d> lol
[7:38] <blockh34d> AAUI
[7:38] <shiftplusone> TUI is fairly common
[7:39] <steve_rox> i shall try rember that term
[7:39] <blockh34d> oh cool i'll switch to that then
[7:39] <shiftplusone> aural, https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V6ogpgieJrQ
[7:39] <blockh34d> if you try that file just unzip to a temp folder and run install.sh
[7:40] <blockh34d> then you should have scamp under your sound/video seciton of apps for you to use with 'open with' or you can type 'play' from a folder with media and it will play it
[7:40] <shiftplusone> aural, the guy also got a texture shader working and implemented some opengl es functions.
[7:40] <aural> cool stuff
[7:40] <blockh34d> with open source driver?
[7:40] <shiftplusone> by poking the VC directly
[7:40] <steve_rox> the clocks went forward , how annoying
[7:41] <blockh34d> pi3d can of course give full access to opengles2 functions
[7:41] <blockh34d> i forget what it's using for that, probably another lib
[7:41] <blockh34d> but pi3d is what i use
[7:41] <blockh34d> but thats just using the standard giant blob broadcom provides i bet
[7:41] <shiftplusone> blockh34d, there's nothing fancy about that, it's just using the library provided by BCM, which is a shim that uses the blob.
[7:43] <shiftplusone> The good thing is that the GPU is relatively easy to drive. I have very minimal experience with such things and I can follow along with the code others are writing. So I think it will open up some possibilities for teaching people how a GPU works on a lower level.
[7:43] <blockh34d> cool i should check it out
[7:44] <blockh34d> frankly i'm a lil apprehensive
[7:44] <blockh34d> but maybe its what i can bring to the table
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[7:45] <evil_dan2wik> Hello
[7:46] <evil_dan2wik> Having troubles with a USB hub inside a keyboard
[7:46] <evil_dan2wik> I modified it to provide more power but now there seems to be a software limiter in place.
[7:47] <shiftplusone> software limiter?
[7:47] <evil_dan2wik> yes
[7:47] <blockh34d> that sounds like a pretty cool mod
[7:47] <blockh34d> what kind of keybaord?
[7:47] <evil_dan2wik> Insufficient available bus power
[7:47] <evil_dan2wik> some kind of dell keyboard
[7:47] <shiftplusone> You're getting that in dmesg?
[7:47] <evil_dan2wik> yes
[7:48] <shiftplusone> can you pastebin lsusb -v?
[7:48] <evil_dan2wik> not
[7:48] <evil_dan2wik> not really
[7:48] <evil_dan2wik> since it doesn't boot.
[7:48] <evil_dan2wik> I moved my root to an external USB
[7:49] <evil_dan2wik> I have a wifi USB and then the root USB, The wifi one is plugged into the pi itself because the keyboard wasn't even finding it. and the usb doesn't power up
[7:49] <evil_dan2wik> the usb ID is 1-1.2.3
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[7:55] <evil_dan2wik> shiftplusone, http://pastebin.com/9iaUZ5zA
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[7:56] <evil_dan2wik> I swapped the wifi and the root drive around. I still have the same problem but it boots now.
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[8:08] <aural> http://www.cnx-software.com/2014/01/26/cheap-accessories-for-raspberry-pi-camera-microsd-adapter-debug-board-heatsink-and-enclosure/
[8:10] <shiftplusone> evil_dan2wik, how did you modify it to have more power?
[8:10] <shiftplusone> and can you also pastebin dmesg
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[8:11] <ShorTie> still compiling, lol.
[8:11] <evil_dan2wik> shiftplusone, cut the + trace from the RPi and replaced it with a diode. I then soldered red and black to + and -
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[8:13] <shiftplusone> Sorry, not sure I understand the full setup. How many hubs deep do you go? There's a hub inside the pi, there's the hub in the keyboard... is there a hub between the keyboard and the pi as well?
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[8:14] <evil_dan2wik> http://pastebin.com/XbYM5xLd
[8:14] <evil_dan2wik> The keyboard has a hub inside it.
[8:15] <evil_dan2wik> the keyboard itself probably connects to it's internal hub.
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[8:15] <shiftplusone> I am asking if there are any other hubs. The one inside the pi. The one in the keyboard. And that's it, right?
[8:15] <evil_dan2wik> yes
[8:15] <evil_dan2wik> that is it.
[8:16] <shiftplusone> k sec, let me see if there is anything in USB specs about it.
[8:17] <shiftplusone> ah, if the wifi adapter plugged into the keyboard's hub?
[8:18] <shiftplusone> *is
[8:18] <evil_dan2wik> The keyboard has the wifi chip and the wireless mouse in the back of it. Then keyboard and root usb is connected directly to the pi.
[8:19] <evil_dan2wik> yes.
[8:20] <evil_dan2wik> The wifi usb doesn't turn on. It is found but gets told not enough power.
[8:20] <shiftplusone> Yeah, so usb hosts need to provide 100mA, but they don't have to provide 500mA. The device will ask to switch into high power mode when enumerating and the hub is able to reject it
[8:20] <shiftplusone> I don't think it has anything to do with the actual available power, but how the hub itself is configured
[8:20] <evil_dan2wik> yes but I need to override that on startup
[8:20] <shiftplusone> I am not sure that you can.
[8:21] <shiftplusone> I think it's a physical property of the hub, but let me see if the usb spec has anything more to say about it.
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[8:23] <evil_dan2wik> I can force it manually using "echo 1 > bConfigurationValue" when I am in the 1-1.3.3 folder but I need to do it manually
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[8:23] <evil_dan2wik> automatically*
[8:23] <shiftplusone> ah, interesting
[8:25] <shiftplusone> reading about bConfigurationValue now.
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[8:29] <aural> http://liliputing.com/2014/03/99-board-adds-hdmi-input-to-raspberry-pi-kickstarter.html
[8:29] <shiftplusone> Not exactly able to follow along with it, but I'll keep looking. Might need some custom udev rule, but hopefully there's a better way.
[8:30] <blockh34d> shiftplusone: i need to figure out udev rules, do you know that magic voodoo well?
[8:30] <shiftplusone> not at all
[8:30] <blockh34d> i'd like to figure out how to have my player gui triggered when someone inserts a thumbdrive to their rpi
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[8:30] <blockh34d> so it looks for media and plays it etc
[8:31] <blockh34d> yah i tried and it did not go well
[8:31] <blockh34d> thanks anyways, i'll sort something out i'm sure
[8:32] <shiftplusone> I found a lot of the top search results on the the topic seem to be out of date.
[8:32] <blockh34d> the ones i tried didnt get me very far either
[8:32] <blockh34d> but to be fair i didnt put a whole lot of time into it
[8:32] <shiftplusone> did you find the command to list the attributes of a device?
[8:32] <blockh34d> figured i'd just keep my ear to the ground for someone with better intel than myself
[8:33] <blockh34d> no i dont think so
[8:33] <ShorTie> aural, nifty board, but it's on hold and not accepting pledges
[8:34] <blockh34d> that would be pretty cool
[8:34] <blockh34d> i wish they'd make a multi picam input daughter board
[8:34] <blockh34d> so you could have a few picams you could select from ala hotswap
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[8:43] <Jusii> blockh34d: i've made a udev rule that looks for mmc card on a laptop, but don't know if that's any help for usb
[8:43] <blockh34d> Jusii: oh that sounds pretty close
[8:43] <blockh34d> do you rememeber it well enough to type in the gist of it? or maybe you could copy/paste or email it to me to review?
[8:43] <blockh34d> i'm greyworld@gmail.com
[8:43] <blockh34d> whatevre is easy for you
[8:44] <Jusii> blockh34d: ACTION=="add", KERNEL=="mmcblk0", ATTRS{manfid}=="0x00001b", RUN+="/usr/local/bin/udevsdcard.sh"
[8:45] <Jusii> at that specifically looks for specific manufacturer of the card
[8:45] <blockh34d> is there a way to say' do this for almost any valid media'?
[8:45] <Jusii> made it so that I just needed to plug in sdcard and it would automatically write image on to it
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[8:46] <blockh34d> hey thanks a lot btw
[8:46] <blockh34d> thats real close to what i'm trying to do
[8:46] <[Saint]> Pro tip: Don't post personal email in publically logged IRC channels. ;)
[8:47] <[Saint]> Unless...y'know, you like spam.
[8:47] <blockh34d> horse is long out of those gates
[8:47] <blockh34d> i like to test out gmails spam filters
[8:47] <blockh34d> so far i get maybe one a month
[8:47] <blockh34d> and i dont restrict my email distrobution at all
[8:47] <evil_dan2wik> shiftplusone, would that work? ^
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[8:47] <blockh34d> i'll shout it from the roof tops!
[8:48] <shiftplusone> evil_dan2wik, would what work, sorry?
[8:48] <[Saint]> Out of interest, why was it even posted?
[8:48] <[Saint]> "Hey, I'm like right here in IRC...but, email me" )-o
[8:48] <[Saint]> E_SMILEYFAIL
[8:48] <evil_dan2wik> shiftplusone, What Jusi said
[8:49] <shiftplusone> evil_dan2wik, not that exactly, but you can modify it.
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[8:49] <Jusii> blockh34d: you could try looking for dbus examples too
[8:49] <evil_dan2wik> His just seems to find the SD card instead of a USB but it should be almost the same right?
[8:49] <blockh34d> [
[8:49] <blockh34d> [Saint]: cause i didn't post my app(s) to webservers at first
[8:50] <blockh34d> i'd just say 'hey email me and i'll send you a copy'
[8:50] <blockh34d> so that wya people could email me back if they had a problem or question/request
[8:50] <blockh34d> i just get tired of hiding my email, seems like it defeats the purpose
[8:50] <shiftplusone> evil_dan2wik, it's a little trickier for you, since you'll need to pass the sysfs path for that particular device to your script and such.
[8:50] <[Saint]> No. I mean. Like...right now.
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[8:50] <blockh34d> obviously i'm bored, like to chat, interested in all this. you wnat to email me? go for it! lol
[8:50] <Jusii> blockh34d: have you looked this http://stackoverflow.com/questions/20084740/udev-run-program-on-usb-flash-drive-insert
[8:51] <blockh34d> [Saint]: oh cause he said it was on a different machine
[8:51] <shiftplusone> blockh34d, people aren't going to spam you for requests to chat... bots will spam you viagra ads.
[8:51] <blockh34d> so if i was on a different machine i would find it easier to email the line than to transcribe it across displays
[8:51] <blockh34d> you say that but they dont seem to get past gmails filters
[8:51] <blockh34d> my email is all over the internet
[8:51] <evil_dan2wik> shiftplusone, I could have a script which finds the USB device folder from dmesg
[8:52] <shiftplusone> yeah, gmail is great at filtering that sort of thing.
[8:52] <blockh34d> it really is
[8:52] <shiftplusone> evil_dan2wik, shouldn't need to, udev should have a built in way to do it.
[8:52] <blockh34d> formerly i would absoulutely mirror yalls concerns
[8:52] <evil_dan2wik> ok
[8:52] <blockh34d> but anymore i'm kind of a nihilist, i just dont care
[8:53] <blockh34d> evil_dan2wik and shiftplusone i'm trying to keep up with what you're talking about
[8:53] <evil_dan2wik> shiftplusone, the hub has the power flag built into it but the OS is the thing that disables the device.
[8:53] <blockh34d> it really sounds like what i'm trying to do
[8:53] <blockh34d> or kinda close anyways
[8:53] <blockh34d> evil_dan2wik: mabye theres another flag?
[8:53] <evil_dan2wik> blockh34d, I changed my USB hub so it has a 2 amp power supply and it still says the maximum available power is 100ma but I am able to manually override it.
[8:53] <blockh34d> a 'dont ask host device for the power, just do it' flag?
[8:53] <blockh34d> its a powered hub ya?
[8:54] <blockh34d> right
[8:54] <evil_dan2wik> It is powered now.
[8:54] <ShorTie> oh my, it's done
[8:54] <blockh34d> yah i wonder how they normally get around that
[8:54] <blockh34d> i wouldnt be surprised if its like i said
[8:54] <blockh34d> a sort of 'dont check, just do it' flag
[8:55] <blockh34d> ShorTie: whats done?
[8:55] <blockh34d> the open source gpu driver?
[8:55] <evil_dan2wik> I can change the device flag from inactive to active manually.
[8:57] <blockh34d> hey is there a way for me to look at my powered hub here and see what sort of flags like that it might be setting?
[8:57] <blockh34d> i have a belkin powered hub
[8:57] <ShorTie> compiling a kernel, it only took about 10 hours .. :/~
[8:57] <evil_dan2wik> try lsusb -v
[8:57] <[Saint]> 100mA is the "nothing enumerated, but it seems to want power...so...here goes" limit.
[8:57] <blockh34d> ShorTie: hahah oh is that all, try compiling llvm
[8:57] <blockh34d> evil_dan2wik: ok sec
[8:58] <blockh34d> yah buncha stuff
[8:58] <blockh34d> gonna pastie it
[8:59] <blockh34d> got a bunch of other stuff plugged in now too, is that a problem?
[8:59] <evil_dan2wik> ni
[8:59] <evil_dan2wik> no
[9:00] <evil_dan2wik> I should be able to find the hubs
[9:00] <blockh34d> http://pastie.org/8979752
[9:00] <blockh34d> good luck!
[9:00] <blockh34d> sounds like a cool mod
[9:01] <evil_dan2wik> blockh34d, 27 MaxPower 2mA
[9:01] <evil_dan2wik> nice usb hub :/
[9:02] <evil_dan2wik> anyway, I found where mine says it. MaxPower 100mA
[9:02] <blockh34d> is it a bad hub?
[9:03] <blockh34d> i wouldnt know
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[9:03] <blockh34d> its made things more stable here mostly
[9:03] <blockh34d> kind crashy before
[9:04] <evil_dan2wik> blockh34d, It is probably one of the internal chipset level hubs
[9:04] <shiftplusone> blockh34d, nuh, it doesn't mean anything
[9:04] <shiftplusone> blockh34d, it's how much the hub itself reports to use, not how much it can supply to other devices.
[9:04] <blockh34d> oh ok
[9:05] <evil_dan2wik> shiftplusone, you sure?
[9:05] <blockh34d> well if theres anything else you can get out of my hub for info let me know and i'll give it a shot
[9:05] <evil_dan2wik> I just changed mine and it seems to be working.
[9:05] <shiftplusone> 100%, read it in the specs
[9:05] <evil_dan2wik> oh wait, kernel panic
[9:06] <shiftplusone> The MaxPower field in the configuration descriptor is used to report to the system the maximum power the
[9:06] <shiftplusone> hub will draw from V BUS when the configuration is selected. For bus-powered hubs, the reported value
[9:06] <shiftplusone> must not include the power for any of external downstream facing ports. The external devices attaching to
[9:06] <shiftplusone> the hub will report their individual power requirements.
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[9:13] <[Saint]> Pointing to USB spec to define how USB devices (should) function seems wrong on so many levels... ;)
[9:13] <[Saint]> Probably better to just pick a few random options and roll a die.
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[9:15] <shiftplusone> It's just important to note that 'MaxPower 2mA' doesn't mean the hub can only provide 2mA.
[9:15] <[Saint]> Indeed.
[9:16] <[Saint]> ...or that it even *can* provide 2mA
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[9:19] <blockh34d> i think my goal of having scamp run automatically when a user inserts a thumbdrive is maybe still a ways off
[9:19] <blockh34d> seems like it should be easy but not so much!
[9:20] <blockh34d> ah well all in time. I'm tired, gnite all
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[9:20] <evil_dan2wik> night
[9:21] <evil_dan2wik> shiftplusone, where is the usb specs your are reading off?
[9:21] <evil_dan2wik> ugh, brain derp sentence.
[9:21] <[Saint]> http://www.usb.org/developers/docs/
[9:22] <shiftplusone> http://www.usb.org/developers/docs/usb20_docs/usb_20_031114.zip to be precise
[9:22] <[Saint]> (It feels like I shouldn't have to say it in this day and age, but, asking Google really helps)
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[9:23] <evil_dan2wik> I found a different one than that so I just thought I would ask.
[9:24] <Poison[BLX]> [Saint]: heh, regarding not trusting the specs to really apply to a given device is exactly why "usb 2.0 complaint" hubs can, often, back-power a pi ;)
[9:24] <[Saint]> USB specification is great and all.
[9:24] <[Saint]> ...if only manufacturers followed it. ;)
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[9:25] <[Saint]> Like, even barely.
[9:25] <Poison[BLX]> about had a heart attack the first time I unplugged my pi and it stayed on. Fun bit of research after that one.
[9:25] <[Saint]> Ghosts!
[9:25] <Poison[BLX]> exactly!
[9:25] <[Saint]> Spooky spooky ghosts!
[9:26] <shiftplusone> My first wth with backfeeding hubs was when I found that my PC's fans would keep spinning after the computer was turned off and unplugged.
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[9:26] <[Saint]> I had the same with standby lights when powered down.
[9:26] <[Saint]> Caused quite a puzzlement for a while.
[9:27] <shiftplusone> just wondering though... where in the spec does it say that hubs shouldn't backfeed power?
[9:29] <ShorTie> that should almost be a unwritin rule, imho
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[9:30] <[Saint]> 2 whole minutes to download the PDF?
[9:30] <ShorTie> backfeeds of power can cause all kinds of strange unwanted problems
[9:30] <[Saint]> ...you MONSTERS!
[9:31] <[Saint]> shiftplusone: I recall seeing such a wording. It exists. But its relatively non-obvious.
[9:31] <[Saint]> Downloading now but they seem to have a very thin pipe.
[9:31] <shiftplusone> But is it fair to say that hubs that backfeed are not usb 2.0 compliant? I am still reading the document, but haven't stumbled on anything about that yet.
[9:32] <evil_dan2wik> my USB 3.0 hub backfeeds.
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[9:32] <[Saint]> I believe the wording is that they _shouldn't_, not that they *can't*.
[9:32] <[Saint]> Read into that what you will, I guess.
[9:34] <Poison[BLX]> actually, for 3, and possibly for a newer revision of 2, -- http://www.usb.org/developers/powerdelivery/ -- apparently "Power direction is no longer fixed. This enables the product with the power (Host or Peripheral) to provide the power."
[9:35] <Poison[BLX]> but I recall the 2.0 spec being very specific on it, and it was explicit, not "should not"
[9:35] <Poison[BLX]> unless my memory's as bad as it ought to be at 3:30am.
[9:35] <evil_dan2wik> well, devices should properly power down even in the presence of backfeed.
[9:36] <[Saint]> Think about that for a second.
[9:36] <shiftplusone> ^ ah problem solved.
[9:36] <[Saint]> "devices should power down even when they are powered"
[9:36] <shiftplusone> Hub manufacturers can blame pc manufacturers and vice versa =D
[9:36] <[Saint]> doesn't /really/ work.
[9:37] <shiftplusone> "No device shall supply (source) current on V BUS at its upstream facing port at any time."
[9:37] <shiftplusone> found it
[9:37] <ShorTie> if it's backfeeding power, you have no control on where it's going or what it is going to do
[9:38] <ShorTie> bad bad idea imho
[9:38] <shiftplusone> ShorTie, a simple diode on either end would do.
[9:38] <ShorTie> Yuppers ... :)
[9:38] <shiftplusone> but then you introduce a voltage drop, which there's enough of as it is.
[9:39] <[Saint]> Can we pause for a moment and recognize how truly amazing it is that USB even works in the first place? :)
[9:39] * Poison[BLX] chuckles.
[9:39] <evil_dan2wik> not amazing, just a coincidence
[9:40] * [Saint] thinks we can't *really* have a conversation about USb without at least one person getting confused about backwards speed rating classes.
[9:41] <[Saint]> Full Speed, High Speed, No We Really Mean Full Speed This Time, Superspeed, ...ahhh nuts, 3.0
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[10:03] <evil_dan2wik> Ok, so I have the script but I do not have the permissions to write to bConfigurationValue
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[10:33] <wiak> hello, what should i choose when compiling stuff for rpi?, config_platform_arm_ <- alot of arm stuff
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[10:33] <shiftplusone> use the config from the provided kernel as a base
[10:34] <Joost> The clock on my pi is wrong, and ntpq -p returns "No association ID's returned"
[10:34] <Joost> any pointers on what I should do?
[10:34] <shiftplusone> but it's something like arm1137-jklolzrofl or something similarly difficult to remember.
[10:34] <wiak> just for fun i made this
[10:34] <wiak> http://prntscr.com/35emqp
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[10:36] <wiak> <- confused
[10:36] <blockh34d> looks like maybe a family of chips and the X's might vary across that family?
[10:36] <blockh34d> that'd be my guess anyways
[10:37] <wiak> i think its cores, like one is 1 core, the other is 2 core, and so on
[10:37] <blockh34d> yah could be
[10:38] <blockh34d> i've mostly used python on this rpi so far
[10:38] <blockh34d> pretty easy
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[10:39] <blockh34d> err mostly used for my own dev stuff i mean
[10:40] <blockh34d> dunno what kinda system would run all python... a slow one i bet
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[10:41] <blockh34d> are rpi's available without the hookups soldered on? like as a kit maybe?
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[10:42] <shiftplusone> no
[10:42] <shiftplusone> They're available in the solder it off yourself and solder it back on if you really want to kit though.
[10:42] <blockh34d> bummer, oh well, not so hard to deseolder em i guess
[10:42] <shiftplusone> >.>
[10:43] <shiftplusone> careful, I've botched a few mods on my pis
[10:43] <blockh34d> i think about making a special rpi, low profile, with external hookups on leads
[10:43] <shiftplusone> they still all work, but they don't look pretty
[10:43] <blockh34d> haha cool
[10:43] <blockh34d> well this is for a project
[10:43] <blockh34d> will all be in a housing
[10:43] <blockh34d> and ugly is ok
[10:43] <blockh34d> its better
[10:43] <blockh34d> its lucky
[10:44] <blockh34d> i'd like to remove weight thought
[10:44] <shiftplusone> some observations - the solder on the pi is very hard to melt.
[10:44] <blockh34d> so i think about maybe even skipping the plugs entirely and soldering the gear straight in
[10:44] <blockh34d> but i think i would like it to be modular in service, like if i break a display so i dunno
[10:45] <[Saint]> you'd strip a few grams. max.
[10:45] <blockh34d> oh ok yah the bill heck? ben heck? cant remember show had him desoldering at i think 700 degrees? 500? pretty hot
[10:45] <shiftplusone> so where you have large blobs of solder like the composite output, you need to clip the leads first and then go from there or the metal just absorbs all the heat and solder barely melts =/
[10:45] <[Saint]> ...is it worth the effort to reduce the functionality by so much?
[10:45] <shiftplusone> Haven't seen that O_o
[10:45] <blockh34d> yah but i think with nothing but hdmi hookup it'd be much shorter
[10:45] <shiftplusone> I don't go above 350 =/
[10:45] <blockh34d> i'd like it to be low profile
[10:45] <blockh34d> yah it sounded really hgigh to me
[10:45] <blockh34d> but he kept it moving really fast
[10:46] <blockh34d> this is for a head-worn device
[10:46] <blockh34d> must be absolutely lightest possible and smallest possible formfactor
[10:46] <blockh34d> i do want it very durable though
[10:46] <blockh34d> eventually i'll be shooting at it
[10:46] <blockh34d> as a test
[10:46] <[Saint]> weight of those items is pretty much irrelevant.
[10:47] <blockh34d> i dunno, seems relevant to me when you add in the other side of the plugs (male end connectors)
[10:47] <[Saint]> your neck is currently supporting ~4kg effortlessly, remember.
[10:47] <blockh34d> i like the sound of skipping them and going striaght to the wire
[10:47] <blockh34d> lower profile
[10:47] <blockh34d> thats a good point, i'll keep that in mind
[10:47] <blockh34d> but its centered weight
[10:47] <blockh34d> the weight i'm adding is right in front of your face
[10:48] <[Saint]> But it also means if the board fails, you're screwed.
[10:48] <shiftplusone> well 2.5kg, in some cases.
[10:48] <blockh34d> yah
[10:48] <blockh34d> thats what irks me about plan hardwired
[10:48] <[Saint]> as opposed to being able to slot a new one in.
[10:48] <blockh34d> yah maybe i'll skip the form factor tweaks until i get a working clunky prototype developed
[10:49] <blockh34d> but it could just be a one off so i dont know that there will ever be a 'refinement phase' as you might normally expect in product development
[10:49] <blockh34d> i jsut want my own predator helmet
[10:49] <[Saint]> Highly advisable for prototyping at least.
[10:49] <blockh34d> yah i've already blown up one display
[10:49] <[Saint]> not hardwiring, I mean.
[10:49] <blockh34d> if i'd hardwired it i'd already have soldered on the board twice
[10:49] <blockh34d> so good point
[10:50] <blockh34d> i think i'm going to attach the device to a gasmask
[10:50] <blockh34d> i keep trying to mount it on a helmet and its clunky
[10:51] <blockh34d> but it is fairly seemless connection to my gasmask, without any sort of modification
[10:52] <blockh34d> i think this would be an excellent way to pilot drones
[10:52] <[Saint]> It also needs a mic. So you can record people and then play back clips of them to taunt, Predatoresque style.
[10:52] <blockh34d> oh for sure
[10:52] <blockh34d> with a vst plugin
[10:53] <blockh34d> gapper-snipper style
[10:53] <blockh34d> want some candy?
[10:53] <[Saint]> :)
[10:53] <blockh34d> it actually probably will have some badass mics
[10:53] <blockh34d> laser mics
[10:54] <blockh34d> with truster style evaluation
[10:54] <blockh34d> for gauging stress levels
[10:54] <blockh34d> no real idea what to do with something like this
[10:55] <blockh34d> its just something i've always been fascinated with as a kid growing up, comic books and iron man
[10:55] <blockh34d> now its fairly cheap so why not
[10:57] <blockh34d> flirs are so expensive :(
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[10:57] <blockh34d> hard to have a predator helmet with a flir
[10:57] <blockh34d> without i mean
[10:58] <blockh34d> i want stereo flir too, which starts to get pretty heavy, so probably want the isolated camera module they sell, which is about $3k per :( gonna have to sell a lot of apps! Maybe kickstarter?
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[10:59] <blockh34d> 'Project: Homemade Predator Helmet' - seems unlikely to get funded
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[11:01] <[Saint]> People gave Neil Young their hard earned cash for a heap or marketing jargon, audiophile fallacies, and plain...magic, so why not a predator helmet?
[11:02] <blockh34d> no perks?
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[11:02] <blockh34d> dunno what i'd give anyone back
[11:02] <blockh34d> the flirs make it totally impractical product
[11:02] <blockh34d> wihtout flirs i could make it for a couple hundred bucks easy
[11:02] <blockh34d> but what good is it
[11:03] <blockh34d> needs standard cam, starlight, nightvision, and IR thermal, and an ability to variably mix any two (or maybe more) of those together
[11:04] <blockh34d> also i'd like it to super impose a 3d wireframe representation of the ground plane and maybe basic topography from something like google earth
[11:04] <blockh34d> eventually the drone network may be scanning and feeding data to the helmet for display in this way
[11:04] <[Saint]> so you need a gps module too.
[11:05] <blockh34d> yah i have one but it's older and for arduino
[11:05] <blockh34d> but i also have a standard-esque usb gps
[11:05] <[Saint]> adding all this to a pi seems rather expensive.
[11:05] <blockh34d> yah i wonder about other platforms
[11:05] <[Saint]> Snowball has a bunch of sensors baked in.
[11:05] <blockh34d> maybe somethign with native video input
[11:05] <blockh34d> i should check that out
[11:05] <blockh34d> cause i need a bunch of very standard stuff
[11:05] <blockh34d> but i'm so poor! lol
[11:05] <blockh34d> is snowball cheap?
[11:05] <[Saint]> ST-E Snowball from Calao Systems.
[11:06] <[Saint]> $50 USD
[11:06] <blockh34d> oh sweet i'll check that out
[11:06] <blockh34d> can it run a similiar debian/linux config?
[11:06] <[Saint]> Ubuntu, Android, debian. Yep.
[11:06] <blockh34d> well sweet
[11:07] <blockh34d> someday maybe i'll make the plans open source
[11:07] <blockh34d> open hardware type thing
[11:07] <blockh34d> everything just cobbled together now
[11:07] <blockh34d> except the displays, i made all that custom from alum stock around and some 2.5 lcds i bought for the purpose
[11:08] <blockh34d> i don't know where you would normally get these kind of optics though... maybe a microscope?
[11:08] <[Saint]> GPS, bluetooth, wifi, accelerometer, magmometor, VIVO.
[11:08] <[Saint]> Lots of goodies baked onto the board
[11:08] <blockh34d> dang that is pretty sweet
[11:08] <blockh34d> VIVO = video in video out?
[11:08] * [Saint] nods
[11:08] <blockh34d> well thats just perfect
[11:09] <blockh34d> my perfect board would have maybe 4 video inputs, 2 outputs
[11:09] <blockh34d> aware of anything of the sort?
[11:09] <[Saint]> Only thing is its an abandoned project.
[11:09] <blockh34d> thats cool i like abandonware
[11:09] <blockh34d> i still play wolfenstein
[11:09] <shiftplusone> bah
[11:10] * shiftplusone can't play wolf3d for more than 10 minutes without getting nauseous.
[11:10] <blockh34d> you a Rise of the triad kinda guy?
[11:10] <shiftplusone> *nauseated
[11:10] <blockh34d> haha but you remember how awesome it used to be right?
[11:10] <shiftplusone> yeah
[11:10] <blockh34d> i get nostalgia for all that
[11:10] <[Saint]> dat headbob.
[11:10] <shiftplusone> I remember when I beat it
[11:10] <blockh34d> suck for nerdstalgia
[11:10] <blockh34d> sucker for i mean
[11:11] <blockh34d> maybe theres a video input board
[11:11] <shiftplusone> but I also remember lots of nausea.... lots of conflicting feelings.
[11:11] <blockh34d> can cycle many inputs? or should i make my own circuit up?
[11:11] <shiftplusone> doom on the other hand.... =)
[11:11] <shiftplusone> and now brutal doom...
[11:11] <blockh34d> what is that, multiplexer?
[11:11] <shiftplusone> have you tried brutal doom?
[11:11] <blockh34d> i dunno brutal doom, that sounds brutal
[11:11] <blockh34d> no sounds nice
[11:11] <shiftplusone> it's awesome.
[11:11] <[Saint]> zDoom, yo.
[11:12] <[Saint]> Mouse look and jump. :)
[11:12] <shiftplusone> blockh34d, https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H4kLpBUHf9E
[11:12] <blockh34d> i had a full game mod for doom i pitched ot a local company here i called 'Pain Fear and Agony'
[11:12] <blockh34d> sounds of a similar vein
[11:12] <blockh34d> they never got interested, oh well, i think i was ahead of my time
[11:13] <blockh34d> we did make some other quake mods tho
[11:13] <blockh34d> ah fun times
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[11:13] <blockh34d> i was realy hoping the occulus would bring that back
[11:14] <blockh34d> then facebook had to buy them, and now i don't know.
[11:14] <blockh34d> how could anything good come of that
[11:15] <evil_dan2wik> my RPi froze, how to I check why it did this?
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[11:15] <blockh34d> can you ssh to it?
[11:15] <evil_dan2wik> no
[11:15] <shiftplusone> evil_dan2wik, first thing to do is measure the voltage across tp1 and tp2
[11:15] <evil_dan2wik> everything froze
[11:16] <evil_dan2wik> I'll get the volt meter
[11:16] <[Saint]> my guess usva sudden burst of disk or network throughput took you out.
[11:16] <blockh34d> checking out brutal doom video now
[11:17] <[Saint]> you were the guy earlier that mentioned torrenting on the pi, no?
[11:17] <blockh34d> i did yes
[11:17] <blockh34d> maybe not the original guy
[11:17] <blockh34d> i like qbittorrent for that
[11:17] <[Saint]> ah. sorry. mixing up people..
[11:18] <blockh34d> ah yah i was responding to someone else i forget who
[11:18] <blockh34d> are those snowballs going to be available from now on or when this batch is sold they're gone?
[11:19] <evil_dan2wik> shiftplusone, 4.52 volts
[11:19] <shiftplusone> evil_dan2wik, there you go then.
[11:20] <shiftplusone> now measure the voltage across the polyfuse
[11:20] <shiftplusone> the green rectangle under the microusb connector
[11:20] <shiftplusone> (F3?)
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[11:21] <evil_dan2wik> 0.18 volts on the poly fuse
[11:21] <blockh34d> f3
[11:21] <shiftplusone> pretty high, but doesn't make up for all of it
[11:21] <[Saint]> blockh34d: when they're gone they're gone.
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[11:21] <[Saint]> re: Snowball
[11:21] <shiftplusone> blockh34d, I put the question mark because they're F1 on newer models.
[11:22] <blockh34d> is any replacement board in the workds?
[11:22] <blockh34d> oh i see
[11:22] <blockh34d> well its f3 on mine, thanks for the description i've been wondering where the poly fuse was
[11:22] <shiftplusone> np
[11:22] <shiftplusone> evil_dan2wik, you're pulling too much current through the pi.
[11:23] <shiftplusone> and your supply seems to be poorly regulated or the cable you're using is too lossy.
[11:23] <evil_dan2wik> 4.73 volts at the USB input
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[11:23] <shiftplusone> or it's the diode you inserted.
[11:23] <evil_dan2wik> The Pi is really hot.
[11:23] <evil_dan2wik> the chip in the middle of the Pi is really hot
[11:23] <[Saint]> It freaked out to keep itself safe.
[11:23] <[Saint]> "really hot" is often subjective.
[11:23] <shiftplusone> evil_dan2wik, how hot is really hot?
[11:24] <evil_dan2wik> Let me reboot and get temperature
[11:24] <[Saint]> to a human, really hot is ~45C
[11:24] <[Saint]> which is nothing to componentey.
[11:24] <evil_dan2wik> 74 C
[11:24] <blockh34d> is there brutal doom for rpi? chocolate doom maybe?
[11:24] <[Saint]> thats fine.
[11:24] <shiftplusone> that is pretty hot
[11:24] <[Saint]> still within range.
[11:24] <[Saint]> just.
[11:25] <shiftplusone> [Saint], it's 'safe' but it's not within a normal rage it should be in under those conditions.
[11:25] <evil_dan2wik> kernel panic
[11:25] <shiftplusone> I think you've botched your mod
[11:25] <blockh34d> some sort of tricky short?
[11:25] <evil_dan2wik> The keyboard is drawing 75ma right now. The Pi is drawing 1.73A
[11:25] <shiftplusone> wow
[11:25] <Encrypt> evil_dan2wik, 74°C?
[11:26] <shiftplusone> that's.... terrible
[11:26] <evil_dan2wik> yes
[11:26] <Encrypt> Did you overclock it?
[11:26] <shiftplusone> unplug, now
[11:26] <evil_dan2wik> only over clock to 1050MHz CPU, 500 gpu, 525 ram, overvolt 5
[11:27] <Encrypt> "only"... :D
[11:27] <shiftplusone> at 1GHz, I haven't managed to get to 74C
[11:27] <shiftplusone> but the rest of the numbers are pretty high too
[11:27] <shiftplusone> A pi, without usb devices (aside from the ethernet hub) will only draw about 350mA and overclocking won't affect that much.
[11:27] <shiftplusone> *ethernet+hub
[11:28] <evil_dan2wik> The regulator is pretty hot too
[11:28] <Encrypt> I think you should have a look at this case: http://piholder.com/raspberry-pi-cases/8-aluminum-raspberry-pi-case.html
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[11:29] <evil_dan2wik> 3 volt rails on GPIO are at 4.2 volts, Busted regulator?
[11:29] <shiftplusone> ^ if you want an overpriced case and don't want to fix the actual problem, anyway.
[11:29] <Encrypt> Yes :D
[11:29] <shiftplusone> evil_dan2wik, you did something very wrong
[11:29] <evil_dan2wik> How?
[11:29] <blockh34d> the aluminum case will hold a cup of melted rpi
[11:29] <shiftplusone> heh
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[11:30] <blockh34d> when i get my game ready to beta are yall going to want to play some deathmatch?
[11:30] <shiftplusone> evil_dan2wik, I think only you can answer that question, unless you can provide a schematic of what you've done.
[11:30] <blockh34d> this doom video makes me want to get the lan party going
[11:30] <blockh34d> chat room dm almost as good :)
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[11:32] <shiftplusone> I'm all for it
[11:32] <blockh34d> cool man i think you'll dig it if you like doom style action
[11:32] <blockh34d> but its different, all overhead, military vehicles
[11:32] <evil_dan2wik> k, everything unplugged, 3v rail is at 4.37 volts and 5v is at 4.7 volts
[11:32] <blockh34d> and i'm trying to add some powerstone style gameplay
[11:33] <blockh34d> so theres maybe 3 powerups that when you get them all you hulk out and go all quaddamage on everyone for a minute. until then though people can take you powerups if you drop them from taking too much damage
[11:33] <blockh34d> powerstone had some great ideas that really shoulda been implemented in a shooter i think
[11:34] <blockh34d> evil_dan2wik: i heard of someone in similar jam other day put their rpi in freezer and when it came out later it was a brick
[11:34] <blockh34d> i dunno if the freezer sealed its doom but food for thought
[11:35] <blockh34d> anyone that knows about this stuff any idea, did the freezer hurt it?
[11:36] <shiftplusone> not the freezer itself, but maybe condensation (doubt it) or a temperature change damaging a solder joint (doubt it too)
[11:36] <evil_dan2wik> probably caused condensation
[11:37] <blockh34d> i remember putting old harddrives in a freezer when they'd fail to start up properly and just click
[11:37] <blockh34d> that kinda worked sometimes
[11:37] <shiftplusone> done that too
[11:37] <blockh34d> enough you could get your data off anyways
[11:37] <blockh34d> classic power move
[11:38] <evil_dan2wik> That is because the clearance between the heads and the disks would get larger causing the head to not scrap along the surface
[11:38] <blockh34d> yah good stuff... SCIENCE!
[11:38] <blockh34d> it just is
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[11:39] <evil_dan2wik> The resistance inside the regulator is way too low.
[11:39] * Benguin is now known as Benguin[ZzZ]
[11:42] <blockh34d> gotta think of more vehicles for combat game
[11:42] <blockh34d> so far i got tanks, helicopters, jeeps/etc, hovercraft and tron light cycles
[11:43] <ShorTie> stay puff marshmellon man
[11:43] <blockh34d> dont have those all in place yet but they will all be there... tanks/helis already in there
[11:43] <evil_dan2wik> Just replaced the regulator, It now measures exactly 3.3 volts
[11:43] <blockh34d> haha that'd be pretty epic
[11:43] <blockh34d> but there's hydra 70mm rockets on full auto
[11:43] <blockh34d> i feel like staypuff never had a chance
[11:43] <ShorTie> vs. the michelan tire guy
[11:44] * ShorTie snickers
[11:44] <blockh34d> oh thats' a good match
[11:44] <blockh34d> vs green giant
[11:44] <blockh34d> mascot death match
[11:44] <blockh34d> that could be funny!
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[11:44] <blockh34d> lol who knows
[11:45] <blockh34d> i feel like i might make several implementations of same game engine, so ones in vehicles, ones all on foot almost no vehicels
[11:45] <blockh34d> but then that seems like why not have it both, you start not in a vehicle but maybe you can get one, like everyone else does... so why bother
[11:45] <blockh34d> but mascot death match would be a legitimately totally different game i think
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[11:46] <blockh34d> some levels will have special attacks you can evoke by doing things
[11:46] <blockh34d> like the desert level has a sandstorm that messes up everyone if you get certain things and take them a certain place
[11:46] <blockh34d> maybe new york will have godzilla or something
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[11:47] <blockh34d> tahts where to have staypuff
[11:47] <evil_dan2wik> Down to 437ma usage from the TV with 4.82 volts out. 3v rail is 3.30v still. The old regulator is outputting 4.7 volts with 5.01v in. Current Pi Temperature is 45.4 C
[11:47] <blockh34d> whats godzilla doing in ny anyways, he's a tokyo kinda lizard
[11:47] <evil_dan2wik> Is there a way to check if it is damaged?
[11:48] <ShorTie> and if you hit the marshmellow man with the special smorse rocket (gram cracker casing filled with chocolate) he blows up into smorse
[11:48] <blockh34d> sounds a lot better already
[11:48] <blockh34d> ShorTie: haha perfect
[11:48] <shiftplusone> evil_dan2wik, it is definitely damaged. hopefully it's just the regulator.
[11:49] <blockh34d> yah for a while i was thinking a good name for htis would be MEAT, but if i did i'd have to have players explode not just into giblets, but into actual steaks and sausages
[11:49] <shiftplusone> evil_dan2wik, you could desolder it and apply your own 5v and 3.3v on GPIO to see if that's the problem.
[11:49] <evil_dan2wik> shiftplusone, I replaced the regulator, I am wondering if there is a way to test the actually chips
[11:49] <shiftplusone> ah ok
[11:49] <evil_dan2wik> It boots fine
[11:50] <blockh34d> seems like a pretty good sign
[11:50] <shiftplusone> evil_dan2wik, get the schematic and start measuring voltages to find the first points things go wrong. Might be easier to do with just 3.3v applied on gpio and regulator removed.
[11:50] <evil_dan2wik> The SD card has no damage, It reads the root file system off the USB.
[11:50] <shiftplusone> I think you're insane to still be running it.
[11:50] <shiftplusone> why damage things further
[11:50] <blockh34d> dan is evil
[11:51] <blockh34d> its in his nick
[11:51] <blockh34d> so his rpi gets to BURN
[11:51] <evil_dan2wik> shiftplusone, unless the new regulator blows as well then it should be fine.
[11:51] <shiftplusone> ah, so 3.3v is with the new regulator? (reading comprehension fail)?
[11:51] <evil_dan2wik> yes, 3.3v on the new regulator.
[11:51] <shiftplusone> ah, good
[11:52] <evil_dan2wik> I connected my old one to my bench supply at 5.01 volts with 4.7 volts out the other side.
[11:52] <shiftplusone> no, I don't think there's any way to check for damage, but I am sure there has been some dielectric breakdown reducing the lifetime of some ports/components
[11:53] <shiftplusone> evil_dan2wik, check the cable. Bench supplies come with terrible cables.
[11:53] <shiftplusone> and your polyfuse is still recovering
[11:54] <evil_dan2wik> I don't think you see what I mean.
[11:54] <evil_dan2wik> I connected the old regulator to the bench supply, In voltage is 5.01, out is 4.7 volts
[11:54] <shiftplusone> yeah... I fail at reading today
[11:55] <evil_dan2wik> the regulator is drawing 139 ma by itself
[11:55] <shiftplusone> wonder how it got busted
[11:56] <evil_dan2wik> not sure
[11:56] <evil_dan2wik> I haven't really been touching the board itself yet.
[11:56] <evil_dan2wik> just been playing around with the software side of things
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[11:57] <shiftplusone> ah well, at least it's fixed enough
[11:57] <shiftplusone> or are you still getting kernel panic fun?
[11:57] <evil_dan2wik> Only thing I did different was install Minecraft Pi to see what I could do with it.
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[11:57] <evil_dan2wik> No, It seems stable right now
[11:58] <shiftplusone> great
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[11:59] <evil_dan2wik> poly fuse keeps oscilating up and down between 0.04 volts and 0.16 volts
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[12:02] <evil_dan2wik> I think it is the USB port on the back of the TV
[12:02] <evil_dan2wik> It is rated for up to 2 Amps of external hard drive.
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[12:15] <evil_dan2wik> ERROR: The certificate of `www.java.net' is not trusted.
[12:15] <evil_dan2wik> ERROR: The certificate of `www.java.net' hasn't got a known issuer.
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[12:15] <evil_dan2wik> I can't download java
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[12:17] <shiftplusone> what command are you running?
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[12:18] <evil_dan2wik> wget http://www.java.net/download/jdk8u20/archive/b05/binaries/jdk-8u20-ea-b05-linux-arm-vfp-hflt-11_mar_2014.tar.gz
[12:18] <mimer> try --no-check-certificate
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[12:19] <shiftplusone> why is it expecting a certificate for an http url anyway O_o
[12:20] <evil_dan2wik> It gets a 302 and then it becomes https
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[12:20] <shiftplusone> ah, didn't think it could switch protocols like that
[12:20] <evil_dan2wik> that is how http works.
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[12:20] <shiftplusone> well yeah, disabling the check should work fine.
[12:20] <evil_dan2wik> yeah, it did
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[12:20] <shiftplusone> though I wonder why it's an issue in the first place.... got ca-certificates installed?
[12:21] <evil_dan2wik> probably not.
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[12:21] <shiftplusone> actually, I am getting the same, nvrm.
[12:21] <shiftplusone> but only on the pi, not on my pc
[12:21] <evil_dan2wik> ...
[12:21] <evil_dan2wik> Now I am having power problems allround
[12:22] <evil_dan2wik> My wifi unit just disconnected
[12:22] <shiftplusone> that's not unusual without a powered hub. A few wifi stick work, but they're usually the terrible ones
[12:22] <evil_dan2wik> actually no, scratch that, kernal panic...
[12:24] <evil_dan2wik> Going to try with lower overclock settings.
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[12:27] <evil_dan2wik> probably stable now.
[12:27] <[Saint]> How in Gods name do you get a Pi to draw 1.7A?6
[12:27] <evil_dan2wik> The regulator died.
[12:28] <[Saint]> (sorry for the errant 6, kitten assisted typing)
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[12:28] <evil_dan2wik> wait.
[12:28] <evil_dan2wik> Everything goes through the poly fuse right?
[12:29] <mgottschlag> yes
[12:29] <evil_dan2wik> Ah nevermind...
[12:29] <evil_dan2wik> I think I found out what the cause of everything is.
[12:30] <evil_dan2wik> The steel case is touching against various places on the pcb
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[12:30] <evil_dan2wik> shorting the poly fuse and touching a few caps under the CPU
[12:31] <evil_dan2wik> wget isn't working.
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[12:32] <evil_dan2wik> It downloads 1280 Bytes and then stops
[12:32] <[Saint]> You put an exposed board, in a conductive casing?
[12:33] <[Saint]> Props to you for having balls of steel, dude.
[12:33] <evil_dan2wik> [Saint], It came with the Pi from jaycar
[12:33] <[Saint]> Oh God...Jaycar. Well, there 'ya go.
[12:33] <[Saint]> Known for their fine quality. ;)
[12:34] <[Saint]> That's like going to the library for a heart bypass, IMO.
[12:35] <evil_dan2wik> I would do that.
[12:35] <evil_dan2wik> At least it's quiet.
[12:35] <evil_dan2wik> ...
[12:35] <[Saint]> Heh. :)
[12:35] <evil_dan2wik> Ok, so wget with the certificate check bypass just downloads the certificate.
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[12:36] <[Saint]> curl may handle this in a more sane fashion.
[12:37] <[Saint]> Apart from recursive downloads, which curl can't do, curl pretty much does everything better than wget.
[12:37] * [Saint] has been hassling Daniel about recursive downloading for years now.
[12:37] <ShorTie> you can bypass the poly fuse to power a usb port to power wifi's
[12:39] <[Saint]> You shouldn't really need to, unless you're hotplugging.
[12:39] <evil_dan2wik> My wifi chip was fine, it was just a segfault.
[12:39] <[Saint]> If the power supply is up to scratch it should be ok. It'll brown out if you plug it in hot, though.
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[12:39] <evil_dan2wik> well, 3 segfaults and then a kernal panic
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[12:40] <evil_dan2wik> but all I saw was the wifi chip was off, the screen was still on and my ssh sessions had dropped.
[12:40] <evil_dan2wik> then the screen wouldn't respond too.
[12:41] <[Saint]> And, yes, you can bypass the polyfuse, but, you shouldn't.
[12:41] <[Saint]> If this guy had done so, he wouldn't have a pi right now.
[12:42] <evil_dan2wik> actually, my case did that for me.
[12:43] <[Saint]> I suspect the connection between the bridge made was poor or intermittent.
[12:43] <[Saint]> Else things could have been a bit worse.
[12:43] <[Saint]> Not necessarily _would_ have, but, could.
[12:44] <evil_dan2wik> hmm
[12:44] <evil_dan2wik> probably
[12:44] <evil_dan2wik> lucky it still works
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[12:46] <evil_dan2wik> having problems downloading java at all
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[12:47] <[Saint]> Wooo!
[12:47] <[Saint]> Imma gittin' ma MicroView!
[12:47] <[Saint]> Last time I looked at it, like, three people had backed it.
[12:48] <[Saint]> Now they're at 1500% or so.
[12:48] <[Saint]> https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/1516846343/microview-chip-sized-arduino-with-built-in-oled-di
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[12:48] * [Saint] got the $55 MicroView+USB serial
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[12:50] <evil_dan2wik> [Saint], looks nice. Might get one.
[12:50] <[Saint]> Its awesome. Can't wait 'til its produced/shipped.
[12:50] <[Saint]> Assuming nothing goes tragically wrong between now and ~.
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[12:52] <evil_dan2wik> Pledge $20 or more, 0 backers
[12:53] <[Saint]> "or more" messes that up real bad.
[12:53] <[Saint]> it makes only the last item in the list true.
[12:53] <[Saint]> :)
[12:54] <evil_dan2wik> yes.
[12:54] <[Saint]> Actually, technically, I don't think any of them are true.
[12:55] <[Saint]> As the next one in line would need to include the sum of those before it to be true.
[12:55] <evil_dan2wik> Well, It is saying, you can pay $100 for it and still be able to select that 1.
[12:55] <[Saint]> (which you actually can do, I think)
[12:55] <evil_dan2wik> yes you can.
[12:56] <evil_dan2wik> It would be a big waste.
[12:56] <evil_dan2wik> but you could do it.
[12:56] <[Saint]> But that's besides the point. The wording is weird on these and I'm now going to notice it forever.
[12:56] <[Saint]> Thanks for ruining Kickstarter for me, guy. :p
[12:56] <evil_dan2wik> lol
[12:57] <evil_dan2wik> When I first saw kick starter I thought that if you paid the highest, you got all the ones lower than it too.
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[13:16] <evil_dan2wik> Hmm
[13:16] <evil_dan2wik> The java download servers seem to download a little bit, wait 10 minutes and then continue downloading.
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[13:22] <[SLB]> could someone running raspbian do a dpkg --list | grep boost and let me know which one they got installed please?
[13:23] <mimer> 1.50.0-1
[13:23] <[SLB]> i have 4 libboost installed, 1.46 48 49 50, should i just keep one? i keep getting boost::interprocess::bad_alloc
[13:23] <[SLB]> thanks
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[13:25] <[SLB]> trying to remove some stuff, let's see if it fixes that
[13:27] <ShorTie> i have the same as you [SLB]
[13:27] <[SLB]> hmm
[13:28] <[SLB]> when i try to remove the 4* it wants to remove also aptitude (which i don't use) so probably they got installed with that, if you have aptitude too?
[13:28] <ShorTie> some things might need an older version
[13:28] <[SLB]> yes i think so too
[13:28] <ShorTie> never used it, just use apt-get
[13:28] <[SLB]> yea
[13:29] <[SLB]> and you never get these lines on bash? boost::interprocess::bad_alloc
[13:29] <ShorTie> i'm trying the other way around
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[13:29] <ShorTie> haven't seen them
[13:30] <ShorTie> try to start with hifi's net install and work up from there instead of trying to remove stuff
[13:30] <[SLB]> i'm worried it's a hardware problem but i believe it's not, because if i reboot the pi, they won't appear until some time after
[13:30] <[SLB]> hm sounds good too
[13:32] <evil_dan2wik> My RPi has a 128mb SD card for booting to the USB, It really increases filesystem intergrity
[13:33] <[SLB]> my system is also on usb
[13:34] <[SLB]> hm, maybe it has to do with the usb getting old then? but it seems more a ram issue than storage to me, i may be wrong
[13:36] <evil_dan2wik> [SLB], I was just saying something, not really refering to your scenario. But if you use a USB, you should have less issues if your usb works.
[13:37] <evil_dan2wik> But, try and un-install all those previous packages and then re-install them.
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[13:37] <[SLB]> yes, maybe i should do a fresh install at some point, my starting image was pretty old and kept updating it until today
[13:38] <evil_dan2wik> My image is only 2 weeks old but I have been screwing around with it a lot.
[13:39] <[Saint]> One machine I have has been updated since Ubuntu 6.something to 14.04 without having to restore from a clean slate.
[13:39] <evil_dan2wik> it has survived, even after being moved over 2 SD cards and then to a USB drive.
[13:39] <evil_dan2wik> Nice.
[13:40] <[Saint]> Thing does very little, just keeps truckin' it.
[13:40] <evil_dan2wik> what does it do?
[13:40] <[SLB]> yep same for me for desktop, but with the pi i'm not sure, i thought every update would bring my old image to the current state, and hopefully it's as so, but some configs and packages didn't come along
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[13:40] <[SLB]> like the wolfram repo or probably also other things
[13:41] <[SLB]> and this boost error is bugging me quite much
[13:41] <[SLB]> well, apparently it has no consequences
[13:41] <[Saint]> depends if you constantly updated, or ran dist-upgrade once in a while, I believe.
[13:41] <[SLB]> just spitting lines on bash but yea
[13:41] <[Saint]> dist-upgrade *should* bring any image up to current+user packages
[13:42] <[SLB]> the only package i'm keeping back from dist-upgrade is lxde
[13:42] <[Saint]> (afaik)
[13:42] <[SLB]> hm
[13:42] <[SLB]> maybe that would carry all the deps along too, which counted up to 90mb
[13:42] <[SLB]> let me check among those packages
[13:42] <[Saint]> wolphram definitely isn't an lxde dep.
[13:43] <[SLB]> correct, so even if dist-upgrading, i won't get to the current state it seems
[13:44] <[SLB]> if i update lxde, it wants to download 75 packs related to gnome, i don't get this either...
[13:44] <[Saint]> Huh?
[13:44] <[Saint]> That's...odd.
[13:44] <evil_dan2wik> I think my poly fuse is a little bit blown. 0.17 volts across it with 4.58 at the test points.
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[13:45] <[Saint]> [SLB]: https://packages.debian.org/wheezy/lxde <-- you can see the deps and recommends quite clearly there.
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[13:45] <[Saint]> Odd indeed.
[13:45] <[SLB]> this http://pastebin.com/3Le3tBr6
[13:45] <[SLB]> yea
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[13:47] <[Saint]> Most of those are new new packages it wants. Not new packages related to the lxde install.
[13:47] <[Saint]> Why it wants them? No idea. I have no idea of the state of your system.
[13:48] <[SLB]> if it wants them it's because of some deps i believe, then they wouldn't come thru dist-upgrade (which only wants to update lxde) but along with something i installed before or reagularly updated
[13:48] <[SLB]> i'm not sure
[13:51] <[SLB]> or maybe also -f install would fetch them if needed by already installed packages
[13:51] <[SLB]> unless i'm misunderstanding how apt-get works
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[13:56] <[Saint]> Yeah - I'm not sure about how prior unmet dependencies are treated if they were previously ignored.
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[13:57] <evil_dan2wik> Something is really wrong. 2 Bytes per second on a java download.
[13:59] <[Saint]> How are you downloading?
[14:00] <evil_dan2wik> wget
[14:00] <[SLB]> if i just do apt-get install lxde, instead of doing dist-upgrade, the same 75 packages want to come along, weirdness~
[14:02] <[Saint]> evil_dan2wik: what package exactly, so I can give it a whirl.
[14:02] <evil_dan2wik> http://www.java.net/download/jdk8u20/archive/b05/binaries/jdk-8u20-ea-b05-linux-arm-vfp-hflt-11_mar_2014.tar.gz
[14:02] <[Saint]> done.
[14:02] <[Saint]> SO, yeah. Its definitely not them.
[14:03] <evil_dan2wik> ok...
[14:03] <evil_dan2wik> Well I am able to get full download speed on everything else.
[14:03] <[Saint]> Odd. Something in the route between you and them must be funky.
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[14:04] <[Saint]> It only took about 20s to pull in here.
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[14:04] <evil_dan2wik> hm ok
[14:05] <[Saint]> though I did just let Chrome handle it, I would guess that would put me at a disadvantage in theory if anything.
[14:06] <evil_dan2wik> I have tried on my computer and the RPi, using chrome and IE
[14:07] <[SLB]> i'm able to download that file at 270kb/s
[14:07] <evil_dan2wik> I think I need a router restart
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[14:13] <evil_dan2wik> router restart hasn't helped
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[14:42] <Twist-> Has anyone used motion for webcam/security cam use? Is it normal for motion to run at 80-100% CPU with no clients connected?
[14:44] <SpeedEvil> Twist-: It depends on the size of the frames and the framerate.
[14:44] <[SLB]> i use motion sometimes, but not anymore with an usb webcam, now with the raspicam
[14:44] <[SLB]> ^
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[14:44] <Vialas_Air> hey Twist-
[14:44] <ppq> more like 40-50% with one client
[14:44] <Vialas_Air> fancy seeing you in here :)
[14:44] <ppq> 80-100% is not normal, imho
[14:44] <Twist-> SpeedEvil: 1280x720, framerate of 2. If I'm reading the conf file correctly, that's as low as we can go.
[14:44] <ppq> maybe a configuration issue
[14:45] <SpeedEvil> Twist-: As a benchmark, I have been running it for 12h on an i3, and it's used 2 minutes of CPU at 320*240*2 mins
[14:45] <Twist-> moving from 700 to 900mhz overclock didn't change much.
[14:45] <[SLB]> do you need the stream to be hd or the recorded videos only?
[14:46] <Twist-> I don't need video at all.. just captures if there's a change in the video.
[14:46] <SpeedEvil> Twist-: So that seems of the same order of magnitude of CPU
[14:46] <[SLB]> hm actually, with a usb camera not sure it's possible to choose different resolutions
[14:46] <SpeedEvil> It is
[14:46] <[SLB]> ah that's pretty high % indeed
[14:46] <Twist-> Honestly, the cam I'm replacing was doing a stream of static images at one capture every 2 minutes. Motion is just the first thingI stumbled across for webcam use on the pi
[14:47] <[SLB]> i meant diff resolutions between stream and capture
[14:47] <SpeedEvil> oh
[14:47] <Twist-> [SLB]: that's fun.. if I change to a non-native res, the cam falls off the bus when I start motion.
[14:47] <[SLB]> ah :\
[14:47] <SpeedEvil> http://www.lavrsen.dk/foswiki/bin/view/Motion/MotionGuideAlphabeticalOptionReferenceManual#log_level
[14:48] <SpeedEvil> To set intervals longer than one second use the 'minimum_gap' option instead.
[14:48] <SpeedEvil> Oh - nvm
[14:48] <SpeedEvil> ALERT! From motion 3.2.7 this feature has been removed because it was in practical a useless feature. It prevented saving more than one picture per minimum_gap seconds but the capturing and motion detect was still run at full framerate loading the CPU heavily. From 3.2.7 a new feature called minimum_frame_time has been introduced which lower the capture rate. So it gives the same effect as minimum_gap did but additionally lower the CPU load
[14:48] <SpeedEvil> significantly.
[14:49] <SpeedEvil> http://www.lavrsen.dk/foswiki/bin/view/Motion/ConfigOptionMinimumFrameTime
[14:49] <SpeedEvil> that's your bunny
[14:49] <Twist-> yeah, I was reading that bit. will fiddle.
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[14:50] <SpeedEvil> http://www.lavrsen.dk/foswiki/bin/view/Motion/MotionGuideAlphabeticalOptionReferenceManual#low_cpu also looks relevant
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[14:51] <[SLB]> hm
[14:51] <[SLB]> if he has the stream off, though, would that also affect the cpu?
[14:51] <SpeedEvil> dunno
[14:51] <[SLB]> worth a try eheh
[14:51] <SpeedEvil> Twist-: Is this the stock camera?
[14:51] <SpeedEvil> err - Picam
[14:52] <Twist-> No. It's an MS lifecam 3000.
[14:53] <Twist-> http://www.microsoft.com/hardware/en-us/p/lifecam-hd-3000
[14:53] <[SLB]> yea i think for the raspicam you would need the mmal version of motion, unless you use raspimjpeg to stream to a jpg file and use it as a net_cam in motion as i'm currently doing
[14:54] <Twist-> I don't really need full motion video
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[14:55] <Twist-> If there's another answer for taking a single frame image from a usb cam every x minutes, I'm all ears.
[14:55] <Twist-> that minimum frame time option gave me my CPU back
[14:56] <Twist-> but motion's not really offering me anything now.. someone could walk across the room entirely in that gap.
[14:57] <[SLB]> you can try fswebcam
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[14:58] <[SLB]> i wrote this some time ago, maybe it be helpful a bit www.slblabs.com/2012/09/26/rpi-webcam-stream/
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[14:58] <[SLB]> if you just need those frames, fswebcam simply does that (no motion capture)
[14:59] <Twist-> [SLB]: looks reasonable.. thanks.
[14:59] <[SLB]> welcome
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[15:04] <Twist-> huh. the CPU load is manageable at 1FPS. Just not 2FPS.
[15:05] <[SLB]> ah
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[15:07] <SpeedEvil> Twist-: I'd concnetrate on seeing if you can work out why it's dying at lowet than full resolution
[15:07] <SpeedEvil> perhaps you need to specify the correct resolution?
[15:07] <SpeedEvil> Also - what's your power supply?
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[15:15] <SpeedEvil> I was getting false detections
[15:15] <SpeedEvil> It's teeeeny spots of rain on the lens
[15:15] <SpeedEvil> I have no idea how to fix this properly
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[15:16] <SpeedEvil> At least for mist.
[15:18] <Twist-> SpeedEvil: I want the full resolution though, so if capping the framerate makes that managable, I"m going that way.
[15:18] <SpeedEvil> :)
[15:18] <Twist-> There are few things more annoying than low res security footage of a break in.
[15:19] <Twist-> It's pretty useful to be able to recognize faces on a cam.
[15:19] <Twist-> As far as PSU, I'm using an apple iPad wall wart at the moment.
[15:20] <Twist-> cam's powered off the PI, but it's the only USB device attached.
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[15:21] <SpeedEvil> That may be an issue
[15:21] <SpeedEvil> Cameras can use quite a large amount of power, and be unstable on the pi directly
[15:21] <SpeedEvil> but - if it works as it is, ...
[15:21] <SpeedEvil> It may be the reason why it's not working at the lower res
[15:21] <Twist-> except it's running full res no problems.
[15:21] <SpeedEvil> And if you don't care about that
[15:22] <SpeedEvil> yes - these things don't awlays make sense
[15:22] <SpeedEvil> It could be it uses more power at a lower resolution. Higher FPS, or extra computation doing binning, for example
[15:22] <Twist-> I've got a terrible powered hub around here somewhere.. I'll try it eventually.
[15:23] <Twist-> terrible in that it backvolts into the pi.. but the pi seems to like that.
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[15:23] <Twist-> I unplugged the pi's microusb power one day with that hub attached, and it didn't power off.
[15:23] <Twist-> "hey...."
[15:24] <SpeedEvil> If it's a recentish pi, then it doesn't have fuses on the output, and can in principle be back-powered without problems.
[15:24] <SpeedEvil> (unless you short something on the board)
[15:25] <Twist-> This one is.. but even my original Pi seems to work that way.
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[16:25] <bucketofjug> Anybody have a success story installing a git server on the pi?
[16:26] <gordonDrogon> bucketofjug, in-general, if it runs OK under Debian Linux then it will run just fine on the Pi. I run a git server on a Debian Linux host, so I'd have no issues running it in the Pi.
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[16:26] <gordonDrogon> (other than speed!)
[16:26] <bucketofjug> what server software do you run?
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[16:29] <gordonDrogon> git --server
[16:29] <gordonDrogon> specifically: git daemon --base-path=/home/git/projects --detach --syslog --export-all --verbose
[16:30] <bucketofjug> ooh ok
[16:30] <gordonDrogon> you can see it here: https://git.drogon.net/
[16:30] <bucketofjug> I think I was looking to put in a web interface like Gitorious
[16:31] <gordonDrogon> that is specifically 'gitweb'.
[16:31] <gordonDrogon> which is a perl front-end.
[16:31] <bucketofjug> fairly easy to set up?
[16:31] <gordonDrogon> It seemed to be.
[16:32] <gordonDrogon> I think I had one line to change in 'header.html' that came with gitweb.
[16:32] <bucketofjug> cool, I'll have to look into it. thanks
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[16:33] <gordonDrogon> so the git server lets me/others do git clone git://git.drogon.net/... and the webby thing lets people browse.
[16:34] <bucketofjug> thats a good idea. I was thinking of a more complete web solution (something along the lines of BitBucket) but I don't think I really need it
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[17:02] <gordonDrogon> I guess it depends on your aims.
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[17:02] <gordonDrogon> mine was just a little personal thing for my projects - although it's handled the small times it's gotten loaded ok.
[17:02] <gordonDrogon> I'm not saving gigabytes of code!
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[17:10] <RedPanda> hiii everybody
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[17:11] <Encrypt> o/ RedPanda
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[17:15] <bucketofjug> gordenDrogon: I'm not really sure what my goals are :) just seems like a fun project. I'll probably play around with a few thing
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[17:16] <gordonDrogon> ok
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[17:37] <[SLB]> Twist-, any progress?
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[17:54] <Syliss> arduino + rpi = win
[17:54] <RiXtEr_> Syliss: udoo?
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[17:55] <RiXtEr_> Syliss: http://www.udoo.org/
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[17:57] <Syliss> i saw that
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[17:57] <Syliss> but i really mean a rpi and an uno
[17:57] <Syliss> just picked up 2 arduinos yesterday on sparkfun since they had a sale for arduino day
[17:58] <Syliss> the highest teir udoo looks cool with a sata port
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[18:16] <fugutive221> Hi!
[18:16] <fugutive221> I was wondering. Is it possible to install Tilemill or Mapnik on a raspberry pi?
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[18:17] <fugutive221> I already tried to build on the raspberry pi but I didn't get the depencies right .. .
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[18:18] <melow01> Hi, I'm running Wordpress on my Pi and I'm wondering if there is a FTP server available by default or do I need to install one?
[18:18] <fugutive221> melow01 There is a SFTP available on port 22
[18:18] <Encrypt> melow01, What is your operating system?
[18:18] <fugutive221> melow01 Do you run Debian wheezy?
[18:19] <melow01> fugutive221, yes wheezy
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[18:19] <fugutive221> Do you have filezilla or something on your computer?
[18:19] <melow01> fugutive221, do I just use the same username/pass as the default user, pi?
[18:19] <fugutive221> melow01
[18:19] <fugutive221> Yes
[18:19] <melow01> ya, I've got filezilla
[18:19] <melow01> oh ok
[18:19] <melow01> I'll try that
[18:20] <Encrypt> melow01, What is your computer operating system? If it is Ubuntu or Debian, it's super easy!
[18:20] <melow01> Encrypt, yes, its Debian Wheezy
[18:20] <Encrypt> Ok
[18:20] <Encrypt> You have nautilus?
[18:20] <blockh34d> i think it'd be pcmanfm right?
[18:20] <melow01> well, I'm trying to run it as a headless server
[18:21] <blockh34d> my debian uses pcmanfm for file browser
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[18:23] <Encrypt> blockh34d, In the adress bar, type:
[18:23] <[SLB]> maybe he's asking what os you have on the non-pi machine, but once you said you have filezilla shouldn't matter eheh, you can also use the file manager
[18:23] <[SLB]> i indeed have nautilus on fedora and access the pi with sftp://
[18:23] <Encrypt> blockh34d, sftp://<username>@<RPiIP>
[18:23] <[SLB]> ^
[18:24] <Encrypt> EG : sftp://pi@192.168.1.1
[18:24] <blockh34d> oh thats on and enabled by default?
[18:24] <melow01> fugutive221, Encrypt yup SFTP worked on port 22! Thanks!
[18:24] <Encrypt> And you'll see your directories as if you were acting on your local machine
[18:24] <[SLB]> it comes with ssh
[18:24] <Encrypt> Good :)
[18:24] <blockh34d> oh thats interesting thatnks for the info i didnt know that
[18:24] <blockh34d> kinda worries me a little but ftp always does
[18:24] <Encrypt> No need to use Filezilla when there is a built-in functionnality ;)
[18:25] <melow01> Encrypt, which server am I using on the RPi?
[18:25] <blockh34d> melow01: i think Encrypt is saying its in there by default
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[18:25] <[SLB]> it's there if you have ssh active
[18:25] <[SLB]> which being it headless i assume you have eheh
[18:25] <Sashmo> hey guys... I've tried 2 Pi
[18:25] <Sashmo> and 2 camers
[18:25] <Encrypt> That's a simple mechanism actually
[18:26] <Sashmo> only thing I get is a red light on the camera board
[18:26] <blockh34d> hows that working Sashmo ? i'm doing something similar
[18:26] <Sashmo> can ayone help?
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[18:26] <Encrypt> SFTP is only SSH seen through your file manager software
[18:26] <blockh34d> Sashmo: well that means its recording
[18:26] <[SLB]> what do you mean Sashmo, what do you expect it to do
[18:26] <blockh34d> its optional too btw you can disable the red light
[18:26] <Sashmo> imusing raspistill
[18:26] <fugutive221> melow01 If you're going to forward your FTP port consider changing the default password..
[18:26] <melow01> fugutive221, thanks, I did that
[18:26] <Sashmo> its supposed to take a snapshot, then drop back to command line
[18:27] <blockh34d> if its going to be available WAN melow01 i would change it to a fairly strong password
[18:27] <[SLB]> i think raspistill needs some parameters to do so?
[18:27] <blockh34d> my experience is that ftp servers get attacked all day everyday
[18:27] <Sashmo> I can use motion app and use my webcam, that works, but the CSI dosnt work....
[18:27] <melow01> blockh34d, ahh... good to know
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[18:28] <fugutive221> Could anybody help me with (cross)compiling Tilemill/Mapnik?
[18:28] <Sashmo> I bought extra modules and they all give the same result on each board I try, solid red light and after running the raspistill -o image.jpg it just sits there
[18:28] <[SLB]> have you checked this page already, Sashmo? http://elinux.org/Rpi_Camera_Module#Troubleshooting
[18:28] <Encrypt> melow01, blockh34d, Install fail2ban and there is no more problem
[18:28] <Sashmo> need to crtl-c
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[18:28] <Sashmo> [SLB]: checking it now...
[18:28] <blockh34d> Encrypt: making a note of that, sounds promising
[18:29] <[SLB]> maybe your issue is the power supply
[18:29] <[SLB]> okie
[18:29] <blockh34d> i think a 'how to secure your pi' would be a really interesting read
[18:29] <blockh34d> is anyone aware of a good forum/blog post to that effect?
[18:29] <Encrypt> blockh34d, My Pi was attacked a lot before I installed fail2ban
[18:29] <blockh34d> i bet it was
[18:29] <Encrypt> (Bruteforce attacks)
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[18:29] <blockh34d> from southeast asia?
[18:30] <Encrypt> Yes, mainly :D
[18:30] <blockh34d> same
[18:30] <blockh34d> years ago for webserver
[18:30] <shiftplusone> I get a lot of attacks from USA and Netherlands as well O_o
[18:30] <[SLB]> russia lol
[18:30] <blockh34d> the internet is like one big brawl
[18:30] <blockh34d> i'm pretty good with nunchuks!
[18:30] <Encrypt> Thanks to fail2ban, attacking IPs are automatically banned (thanks to an IP-Table rule) whenever there are X fail login attempts
[18:31] <Encrypt> (You can choose the value of X, the bantime and the findtime)
[18:31] <blockh34d> yah that sounds like a great idea
[18:31] <blockh34d> probably good to build similar tech into most any php form submission
[18:32] <blockh34d> etc... so if someone smacks your server around posting BS data to it, you can i dunno, ban them or soemthing?
[18:32] <Sashmo> [SLB]: no, that has nothing about what I am seeing on my side
[18:32] <blockh34d> did yall know theres some crazy hubbub between libav and ffmpeg crews?
[18:32] <blockh34d> they're mad beefin
[18:32] <Encrypt> blockh34d, Wel... fail2ban does the job for you
[18:33] <Encrypt> You just have to configure its policy
[18:33] <blockh34d> http://stackoverflow.com/a/9477756/1109017
[18:33] <[SLB]> Sashmo, how are you powering your pis?
[18:33] <blockh34d> Encrypt: perfect, thanks i'll defiantely set that up
[18:33] <Sashmo> the stock USB that came with the kit from element 14
[18:33] <blockh34d> even though my pi is not exposed to wan yet
[18:33] <blockh34d> Sashmo: stock usb wall adapter or cable plugged into normal usb port?
[18:33] <[SLB]> sorry i don't know about it
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[18:34] <Sashmo> [SLB]: wall
[18:34] <blockh34d> should be good then i bet
[18:34] <blockh34d> might be worht trying a diff supply, maybe its borked, but i doubt it
[18:34] <[SLB]> 5v2a?
[18:35] <Sashmo> [SLB]: no the stock one is 1a
[18:35] <[SLB]> ah
[18:35] <blockh34d> 1a should be enough ya?
[18:35] <[SLB]> do you also have other usb stuff plugged in?
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[18:36] <Sashmo> nope
[18:36] <[SLB]> hm should be ok then, i guess
[18:36] <blockh34d> is the rpi sitting on something metal?
[18:36] <blockh34d> maybe some weird little short?
[18:36] <Sashmo> LOL... nope
[18:37] <blockh34d> i think that just happened here last night
[18:37] <blockh34d> some place distributing rpi's with steel cases that short out
[18:37] <Sashmo> crazy..... i've tried 3 Pi's and 3 cams.... same result on all of them
[18:37] <Sashmo> even purchased the other cames from another source
[18:37] <blockh34d> i have 4 picams and they've all worked fine
[18:37] <blockh34d> whats the exact goal?
[18:37] <[SLB]> stupid question but worth to ask, is the distro up to date?
[18:38] <Sashmo> yup
[18:38] <blockh34d> did you go to raspi-config and select 'enable picam'?
[18:38] <Sashmo> just tried a 2a 5v and same result
[18:38] <[SLB]> hm, is the led always on or after you try raspistill
[18:38] <Sashmo> yes
[18:38] <[SLB]> yes to which :p
[18:39] <Sashmo> both
[18:39] <Sashmo> led stays on
[18:39] <Sashmo> and updated distro
[18:39] <pksato> Sashmo: update firmware (with cammodule support) and connect to correct conector?
[18:39] <[SLB]> i think that's the issue, led should be off unless it's recording
[18:39] <[SLB]> did you plug the cable the right way?
[18:39] <blockh34d> oh thats a good question, which connector did you use?
[18:39] <blockh34d> should use connector between hdmi and lan
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[18:39] <blockh34d> with the blue tape facing the lan connector
[18:39] <Sashmo> I used the propper connector, the raspvid would not even launch if not conencted
[18:40] <Sashmo> ok tyring firmware update
[18:40] <[SLB]> holding straight up, the cam should face ethernet port
[18:40] <blockh34d> how are you running raspistill? exact syntax
[18:40] <Sashmo> [SLB]: yup thats how it is
[18:41] <Sashmo> raspistill -o image.jpg
[18:41] <[SLB]> hoping in firmware then eheh
[18:41] <blockh34d> seems ok to me, yah i dunno m8 thats a head scratcher
[18:41] <Sashmo> been bashing my head on this for a month now... off and on
[18:41] <blockh34d> i'll drink more coffee and plug my picam pi in, see if i can duplicate the results at all
[18:41] <blockh34d> ive never had a problem
[18:42] <Sashmo> fingers crossed on the firmware
[18:42] <blockh34d> i want to figure out how to hotswap picams
[18:42] <Sashmo> ooohhhhh good idea
[18:42] <blockh34d> wait nono
[18:42] <blockh34d> careful
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[18:42] <blockh34d> that could be a really bad idea i wouldnt just try that
[18:42] <Sashmo> I need to make a remote 3g PI solar powerd security cam
[18:42] <[SLB]> i've read you can't hotswap them
[18:42] <blockh34d> oh yah thats pretty close to my goals
[18:43] <Sashmo> what do you guys suggest for a sound card for audio input?
[18:43] <blockh34d> [SLB]: yah it sounds very risky, i thought maybe with special daughter board that keeps them all powered up
[18:43] <[SLB]> a usb mic should suffice
[18:43] <Sashmo> [SLB]: cool thanks
[18:43] <Sashmo> rebooting.......
[18:43] <[SLB]> eheh
[18:43] <blockh34d> sashmo you might like the next app i put out, its going to be for using picam as remote ip cam
[18:43] <blockh34d> and for streaming picam to vlc
[18:43] <Sashmo> well....
[18:43] <blockh34d> on another comp
[18:43] <Sashmo> I have some code that you might like
[18:44] <blockh34d> sweet
[18:44] <Sashmo> I build a smart UDP transfer system
[18:44] <Sashmo> to achive low latency fast UDP transfer
[18:44] <blockh34d> cool yah i have some boiler plate socket server code i use here
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[18:44] <blockh34d> so its easy for me to make a little webserver
[18:44] <blockh34d> that was my plan
[18:44] <ShorTie> RPi_Cam_Browser_Control_Installer is a cool thing, it even has motion built in
[18:44] <[SLB]> for remote streaming and motion detection i use rpi cam web interface, it's very nice
[18:44] <[SLB]> that ^
[18:44] <[SLB]> eheh
[18:45] <Sashmo> ok PROGRESS..... I get an error now!
[18:45] <blockh34d> cool i'll have to check that out
[18:45] <Sashmo> mmal: Received unexpected camera control callback event, 0x4f525245
[18:45] <blockh34d> sounds a lot like what i had in mind
[18:45] <ShorTie> it's on github now
[18:45] <blockh34d> thanks i'll grab a copy, no sense reinventing a wheel
[18:46] <blockh34d> i just thought i'd make a nice entry in the pistore
[18:46] <[SLB]> if i have time i'll add support for lighttpd and few other modifications, it's based on apache at the moment, and the install/remove script can be a bit troublesome in deleting unwanted stuff
[18:46] <ShorTie> i hear that
[18:46] <blockh34d> why is the pistore so empty?
[18:46] <shiftplusone> because it's not very useful for 90% of people
[18:46] <fugutive221> Can anybody help me with compiling Tilemill on Raspberry pi?
[18:46] <blockh34d> shiftplusone: maybe thats it
[18:46] <Sashmo> so no ideas on this error?
[18:46] <Sashmo> mmal: Received unexpected camera control callback event, 0x4f525245
[18:46] <blockh34d> i think pistore is pretty useful though
[18:46] <[SLB]> hm
[18:47] <blockh34d> a lot of users may have no real linux history so 'app store' paradigm is easy for them to figure out
[18:47] <blockh34d> and it seems to be a pretty easy way to add software to the pi, click click click etc
[18:47] <blockh34d> but its so empty its like why even bother looking
[18:47] <[SLB]> Sashmo, that error seems to be related to loose cable/connector
[18:48] <blockh34d> maybe the ribbon cable is bunk?
[18:48] <Sashmo> hnmm
[18:48] <blockh34d> Sashmo: have you been using hte same cable with all your tests?
[18:48] <blockh34d> i feel like my app will never be approved for pi store
[18:48] <Sashmo> nope, using the cable that came with each one
[18:48] <[SLB]> maybe the blocker on the pi is not all in?
[18:48] <pksato> CSI connector is near etthernet port.
[18:48] <blockh34d> i don't know why but i think its empty for some reason
[18:49] <ShorTie> that ribbon cable is a pain to get all the way in
[18:49] <Sashmo> im not the only one... http://storyhub.actionaid.org/forum/viewtopic.php?t=64750&p=486324
[18:49] <blockh34d> yah it is
[18:49] <ShorTie> i've been known to use needle nose pliers to hold it
[18:49] <blockh34d> also it doesnt have to be much 'off' to totally screw up
[18:50] <blockh34d> but i feel like Sashmo is pluggin the cord in correctly
[18:50] <blockh34d> after 4 tries or more
[18:50] <blockh34d> at least once it would have been in there right
[18:50] <blockh34d> cord/cable whatever
[18:50] <Sashmo> blockh34d: thanks....
[18:50] <[SLB]> how about the led now?
[18:50] <blockh34d> i wish rpi's had a non ribbon cable connector
[18:51] <blockh34d> something more like a cord
[18:51] <blockh34d> for the picam that is
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[18:51] <blockh34d> it looks like most of those ribbon edge connectors arent even used, to me
[18:51] <blockh34d> if i follow the traces out from each connector it looks like maybe 5 of them are in use
[18:52] <Sashmo> if you look close, you can see the little indentations in the ribon cable end where the connector is connected
[18:52] <Sashmo> so thats correct
[18:52] <blockh34d> but its hard to say sometimes these circuit boards are several layers stacked up top
[18:52] <Sashmo> maybe I should do upgrade again after firmware update?
[18:52] <[SLB]> nop
[18:52] <blockh34d> doesnt sound like a bad idea to me
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[18:53] <blockh34d> yah i wouldnt know, listen to [SLB]
[18:53] <[SLB]> regular update has always older or equal firmware than rpi-update
[18:53] <[SLB]> so i always first do the update and then rpi-update
[18:53] <[SLB]> eheh
[18:53] <shiftplusone> blockh34d, they're all used. 8 are used for the actual control signals and the rest are grounded (which is still 'used').
[18:54] <blockh34d> could they all be grounded to the saem pin though?
[18:54] <blockh34d> i'm trying to think of how someone could make a non-ribbon cable connector
[18:54] <blockh34d> shiftplusone: do you know if theres a startup handshake between camera and rpi?
[18:54] <shiftplusone> no idea
[18:55] <shiftplusone> is this about switching cameras?
[18:55] <blockh34d> i feel like that would be the hardest part of setting up hotswappable cameras
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[18:55] <blockh34d> ya
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[18:55] <shiftplusone> you should ask on the forum and JamesH may answer.
[18:55] <[SLB]> i think the led turns on at boot, then off until you use the camera, but i can't remember since i have turned it off all the time
[18:55] <blockh34d> i imagine that if you could keep them all powered up, and they all have been handshook, then you don't let the inert ones know that thye're no longer connected
[18:56] <blockh34d> yah that led is annoying
[18:56] <blockh34d> shiftplusone: thanks i'll do that
[18:56] <blockh34d> is jamesH the camera guy at rpi mothership?
[18:57] <shiftplusone> yeah
[18:57] <blockh34d> perfect thanks a lot
[18:57] <shiftplusone> np
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[18:57] <blockh34d> hey anyone into flir's?
[18:57] <blockh34d> i had a thought, totally off subject
[18:58] <blockh34d> what if you used a low res IR thermal detector, one of the 16x4's that only cost $50
[18:58] <blockh34d> then yo uhad a series of fresnel like lenses that distort where those input rays are comeing from
[18:58] <blockh34d> to simulae a higher resolution if you progress through each lense
[18:58] <Sashmo> trying a dist-upgrade as well
[18:59] <blockh34d> then put those on a wheel and spin them in front of that lores sensor to create higher resolution functionality at low price
[18:59] <blockh34d> does that sound at all plausible? i wonder....
[18:59] <Sashmo> let me ask, does it make difference if I am doing over ssh or via the gui, via terminal? I was reading that a preveiw window hsould pop up.... and user? or root, does that matter also?
[19:00] <Sashmo> https://github.com/raspberrypi/linux/issues/435
[19:01] <Sashmo> hmmm maybe this is it? going to try this after the dist-upgrade
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[19:06] <[SLB]> i've never got any preview window, i use ssh too
[19:06] <blockh34d> preview window is only on pi display
[19:06] <blockh34d> uses openmax layer i think
[19:06] <blockh34d> like omxplayer etc
[19:07] <[SLB]> my kernel is 3.10.34+
[19:08] <[SLB]> maybe reorder the modules as said along the comments on that link
[19:10] <[SLB]> i have these modules in /etc/modules
[19:10] <[SLB]> snd-bcm2835
[19:10] <[SLB]> zram zram_num_devices=1
[19:10] <[SLB]> ledtrig-heartbeat
[19:10] <[SLB]> cuse
[19:10] <Sashmo> hmmm I only have one in there
[19:10] <[SLB]> although zram is dead now >_>
[19:10] <Sashmo> snd-bcm2835
[19:10] <[SLB]> snd?
[19:10] <[SLB]> yea should be ok then
[19:10] <[SLB]> at least, for what's said in that thread :\
[19:11] <Sashmo> dosnt apply to me
[19:11] <Sashmo> after distupgrade I have a new error
[19:11] <Sashmo> which is progress
[19:12] <Sashmo> http://pastebin.com/NRZSPtNR
[19:12] <[SLB]> wait how much ram are you giving to the gpu?
[19:12] <Sashmo> havnt changed stock
[19:12] <[SLB]> hm, which is? camera needs at least 64
[19:12] <[SLB]> i'm quite sure that's your issue
[19:12] <Sashmo> where can I check again?
[19:12] <[SLB]> hm, free -m
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[19:13] <[SLB]> or actually
[19:13] <[SLB]> in /boot/config.txt
[19:13] <[SLB]> there should be a line gpu_mem
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[19:13] <Sashmo> 128
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[19:14] <Sashmo> [SLB]: so I dont think that is it
[19:14] <[SLB]> meh indeed that's more than enough, but ENOSPC is about lack of ram or disk space
[19:14] <[SLB]> hmm
[19:15] <Sashmo> lots of space left
[19:15] <[SLB]> i also got that error when i was trying to use the cam while it was in use already
[19:15] <Sashmo> I re enabled the cam again, and that new error is gone
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[19:15] <Sashmo> now it just hangs there
[19:15] <Sashmo> but the red light is turning off now
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[19:15] <[SLB]> you sure it didn't save the pic?
[19:15] <Sashmo> after I ctrl-c it
[19:15] <[SLB]> ah
[19:16] <Sashmo> yeah jpg 0kb
[19:16] <Sashmo> and I have that same error again
[19:16] <Sashmo> from the first time
[19:16] <Sashmo> mmal: Received unexpected camera control callback event, 0x4f525245
[19:16] <[SLB]> ps auxw | grep raspi
[19:17] <Sashmo> root 2231 0.0 0.2 3548 800 pts/0 S+ 17:16 0:00 grep raspi
[19:17] <Sashmo> nada
[19:17] <[SLB]> :\ i'm out of ideas
[19:17] <Sashmo> hehehe thanks
[19:18] <[SLB]> welcome eheh
[19:18] <Sashmo> what does the cam get listed under /dev ?
[19:19] <[SLB]> hm not sure, but it's not a video dev i believe
[19:19] <[SLB]> hm
[19:19] <[SLB]> i have video0
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[19:19] <Sashmo> that must be USB cam
[19:19] <Sashmo> because I dont have one
[19:19] <Sashmo> video0
[19:19] <[SLB]> maybe it changed recently, i don't have other webcams connected, so it may be it
[19:20] <Sashmo> only when I connect the webcam
[19:20] <[SLB]> i only have the raspicam connected and i see a video0 dev though
[19:20] <Sashmo> hmmm
[19:20] <Sashmo> maybe thats the issue
[19:21] <[SLB]> dpkg --list | grep v4l
[19:21] <Sashmo> thanks for the help guys, im out.... will try it again later....
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[19:21] <blockh34d> gl
[19:21] <Sashmo> [SLB]: nothing
[19:21] <[SLB]> i have some libv4l and uv4l
[19:21] <Sashmo> no output
[19:22] <[SLB]> ah
[19:22] <[SLB]> okie will check again later will see :)
[19:22] <Sashmo> what should I run to get the v4l?
[19:22] <blockh34d> i use ffmpeg to grab frames off webcam
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[19:22] <blockh34d> it uses v4l i guess so would probably work
[19:22] <Sashmo> ffmpeg wont do it, cuz there is no /dev/video0
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[19:23] <blockh34d> oh i see i misread
[19:23] <blockh34d> i thought you were saying you had one
[19:23] <[SLB]> these are the packages i have http://pastebin.com/Hnq9Zv2H
[19:23] <[SLB]> i don't remember whether i installed it for another purpose and it may be unrelated, though, they're running in my ps list
[19:24] <Sashmo> thast what you get when you dpkg --list | grep v4l
[19:24] <[SLB]> so maybe used by raspimjpeg i'm using
[19:24] <[SLB]> yes
[19:24] <Sashmo> I only get 4 now
[19:24] <Sashmo> ok im off
[19:24] <Sashmo> thnks guys
[19:24] <[SLB]> laters
[19:24] <[SLB]> yw
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[19:36] <notori0us> Hi friends. If my raspi sometimes just freezes and only has the red light on, and this only happens when I'm not consuming power in large quantities
[19:36] <notori0us> (ie, no screen/kb)
[19:36] <notori0us> do you think it's a defective power regulator? If so, what should I do
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[19:38] <Encrypt> Or an SD card problem
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[19:46] <notori0us> Well, I tried 3 SD cards of different manufacturers
[19:46] <notori0us> so it could be the pi's reader, but I don't think so
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[19:46] <notori0us> I had a cheap phone charger powering it before I went with OEM motorolas
[19:46] <notori0us> hmmmph
[19:46] <notori0us> that may have been it's downfall
[19:47] <blockh34d> mine has taken all manner of abuse so far
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[19:47] <blockh34d> could there be any kind of short?
[19:47] <blockh34d> moisture, case/hardware?
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[19:49] <notori0us> nope
[19:49] <notori0us> dry room
[19:49] <notori0us> It's strange, because I've abused my 2012 model
[19:49] <notori0us> as well, but no problems
[19:49] <notori0us> (the 256mb model B)
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[19:50] <blockh34d> oh i know
[19:50] <notori0us> and remember, it works for WEEKS when drawing extra power
[19:50] <blockh34d> you know when it boots wehre it says press shift for auto power seleciton?
[19:50] <notori0us> yes
[19:50] <blockh34d> i'd see what messing with tthat does
[19:50] <notori0us> thank you for the tip
[19:50] * notori0us writes post it
[19:50] <blockh34d> it seems related
[19:50] <notori0us> I'll idle here so I'll poke you sometime yeah it sure does
[19:51] <blockh34d> cool good luck
[19:51] <blockh34d> i don't know much about anything but i'm bored and mostly harmless
[19:51] <blockh34d> sometimes can stumble into the solution
[19:51] <notori0us> lol :)
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[20:21] <unbkbl> Has anyone tried this wifi adapter before? http://tiny.cc/dprjdx ? Although it is a Ralink RT5370 chipset I can not find this particular device in the elinux.org list. Currently I have an USB dongle with a RTL8188CUS chipset but I haven't been able to connect it to the wireless network at my University because the wpa_supplicant always crash with a -15 signal after a couple of seconds.
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[20:22] <SpeedEvil> -15 means 'Reply hazy, try again later'.
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[20:23] <YamakasY> people running raid here over usb/sata multiplier ?
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[20:24] <SpeedEvil> I have in the past
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[20:26] <YamakasY> SpeedEvil: how was that performing ?
[20:27] <unbkbl> I think the problem is the encryption. It is a WPA2 EAP-PEAP network that uses MSCHAP-V2. I have been able to connect the Pi to that network but without receiving any IP address, after a couple of seconds the wpa_supplicant just crashes
[20:27] <SpeedEvil> YamakasY: As expected
[20:28] <unbkbl> I have no problems connecting the PI to the tether network of my mobile device
[20:28] <SpeedEvil> YamakasY: limited by the USB2 bus
[20:28] <YamakasY> SpeedEvil: mhh that was ? 80MB ?
[20:28] <YamakasY> overhead and so on
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[20:29] <SpeedEvil> YamakasY: Well - no. On the Pi it will be at most 30 meg a second
[20:29] <SpeedEvil> you've only got one USB2 bus
[20:29] <unbkbl> I was thinking in either buy a new dongle "just to see" or to try to install the version 2.0 of the wpa_supplicant
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[20:29] <YamakasY> SpeedEvil: because it should be able to do 480Mbit/s
[20:29] <YamakasY> so that's 480/8=60
[20:30] <SpeedEvil> YamakasY: Well, yes.
[20:30] <YamakasY> SpeedEvil: but you don't do anymore ?
[20:30] <SpeedEvil> YamakasY: But not really. 44m/s is about the best I've ever seen.
[20:30] <SpeedEvil> If you count all the framing and shizzle, you only get a meg or two over that
[20:30] <YamakasY> SpeedEvil: ok.. I wonder I want raid and no nas
[20:30] <YamakasY> :)
[20:31] <SpeedEvil> In practice, the PI doesn't have a high performance USB port
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[20:31] <YamakasY> SpeedEvil: no I'm thinking about using my old EEE 900 for it
[20:31] <YamakasY> but the question is... can you do 8TB raid5 over USB :)
[20:32] <YamakasY> I don't like icyboxes and so on
[20:32] <SpeedEvil> Sure.
[20:33] <SpeedEvil> You may even exceed 50 megabytes/second if the busses are split.
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[20:35] <YamakasY> that machine has 2 USB ports
[20:35] <YamakasY> so
[20:35] <YamakasY> actually quite OK
[20:36] <YamakasY> and because it's an atom 1,6 it's still better than every nas
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[20:42] <SpeedEvil> Well - yes, and no. More no.
[20:42] <SpeedEvil> No SATA, no GE
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[20:49] <YamakasY> no, but I need USB anyway... what are my options that are fast :) not that much
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[21:00] <blockh34d> i wish there was a sensor that output a basic zbuffer of what it could see in front of it
[21:00] <blockh34d> what an awesome magical thing that would be
[21:00] <blockh34d> what do they use now? projector based scanning?
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[21:01] <ShadowJK> kinda like kinect?
[21:01] <blockh34d> yah actually i guess a lot like kinect
[21:01] <blockh34d> yah i shuld probably just use a kinect i guess
[21:01] <blockh34d> anyone doing neat stuff with kinect on pi?
[21:01] <blockh34d> portable LIDAR for instance
[21:02] <blockh34d> wearable cloud LIDAR maybe? lol that'd be neat
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[21:03] <SpeedEvil> blockh34d: http://www.digikey.com/product-detail/en/150-2001-2/978-1017-ND/3979892
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[21:03] <blockh34d> neat!
[21:04] <blockh34d> yah thats pretty much it i guess
[21:04] <SpeedEvil> http://www.digikey.com/product-detail/en/EKL3105/255-3502-ND/2816058 too
[21:04] <blockh34d> and only 1200 bucks, what a steal
[21:04] <SpeedEvil> The 'proper' ones tend to be rather expensive
[21:04] <SpeedEvil> volume is a magical thing
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[21:05] <blockh34d> i bet
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[21:05] <blockh34d> doesnt help the hobbyist much tho
[21:05] <blockh34d> but i'm sure its not supposed to
[21:06] <Poison[BLX]> depends on whether the hobbyist can get their hands on the same components at similar prices *because* the components are being produced in volume for the other products
[21:07] <blockh34d> yah but you need a healthy market place to make that happen
[21:07] <blockh34d> and it seems like gov interference prohibits that
[21:07] <SpeedEvil> Poison[BLX]: yeah
[21:07] <SpeedEvil> This is why you can buy a 6 axis accellerometer chip for $2 in ones
[21:07] <Poison[BLX]> ^
[21:07] <blockh34d> yah wheres the cheap flirs though?!?
[21:08] <blockh34d> lol i so wish there was cheap flirs
[21:08] <blockh34d> it keeps me up at night, why are flirs so dang expensive lol
[21:08] <SpeedEvil> blockh34d: There are $2 FLIR chips.
[21:08] <SpeedEvil> Well - sorta.
[21:08] <SpeedEvil> :)
[21:08] <blockh34d> wut? nowai
[21:08] <SpeedEvil> 1 pixel
[21:08] <blockh34d> well that is only useful for guiding projectiles i think
[21:08] <blockh34d> and even then you need 4 of them
[21:08] <SpeedEvil> http://www.ti.com/product/tmp006
[21:08] <blockh34d> which isn't really anything i'm trying to do
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[21:09] <SpeedEvil> There are ways to get images from it. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p2PGNA2u_HI
[21:09] <blockh34d> make a scanner out of it?
[21:09] <blockh34d> like rotate it fast etc?
[21:09] <SpeedEvil> yes
[21:10] <SpeedEvil> Alas, it's only got a bandwidth of several Hz
[21:10] <blockh34d> yah and that adds weight, kind of a nono for my app
[21:10] <SpeedEvil> But still, that is a useful image in several minutes
[21:10] <blockh34d> dunno if you were here earlier when i explained but my goal is a personal predator helmet
[21:10] <blockh34d> so weight has gotta be super minimal
[21:11] <blockh34d> i'd also like a 3d scanning system involved
[21:11] <blockh34d> could be kinect, could be a seriest of lcd projectors with webcam based scanners, not sure
[21:11] <SpeedEvil> http://newsoffice.mit.edu/2012/amplifying-invisible-video-0622 also
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[21:12] <blockh34d> know any way to input many video signals at once and process a couple of them realtime, in a portable form factor?
[21:12] <SpeedEvil> Being able to pull up pupil dilation, heart and breathing rates would be fun.
[21:12] <blockh34d> i have worked out basic eye trac king in the past
[21:12] <blockh34d> i'm sure i could implement it here
[21:13] <blockh34d> also i'm thinking about building an ekg into it
[21:13] <SpeedEvil> It's easy.
[21:13] <blockh34d> for a sort of thought based control
[21:13] <SpeedEvil> It's not easy cheap, small and low-power
[21:13] <blockh34d> yah thats the trick eh
[21:13] <blockh34d> whats easy btw
[21:13] <blockh34d> multiple video input/processing?
[21:13] <blockh34d> or eyetracking?
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[21:13] <blockh34d> eyetracking i can do with less than a deck of cards weight
[21:15] <blockh34d> that amplifying thing is neat
[21:15] <blockh34d> i bet you could monitor bp/capillary response with a camera pressed into a persons cuticle
[21:15] <blockh34d> nail whatever
[21:16] <blockh34d> is that what you say? i forget now, emt training so long ago
[21:16] <blockh34d> oh i remember, you wouldnt watch bp, you'd watch pulse
[21:16] <blockh34d> and cap response
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[21:17] <SpeedEvil> Look at the above pic
[21:17] <SpeedEvil> you can pull out breathing and heartrate from video
[21:17] <blockh34d> the mit link? i did
[21:17] <blockh34d> neat stuff
[21:17] <SpeedEvil> Maybe they diddn't emphasise that
[21:17] <blockh34d> yah it just reminded me of an old app i tried for my phone
[21:17] <blockh34d> basically did the same thing based on a persons finger pushed into the camera and held up to a light
[21:18] <blockh34d> but probably didn't do it near as well. same idea though.
[21:18] <blockh34d> whats up with portable ekg?
[21:18] <blockh34d> anyone controlling drones with their mind yet?
[21:19] <blockh34d> i think that'd be an awesome thing for this helmet to do
[21:21] <blockh34d> Link: http://cdn3.volusion.com/aes3n.okhn2/v/vspfiles/photos/9781449311544-P-2.jpg?1390575466 well i know what book i'm gonna get
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[21:25] <markvandenborre> has anyone in this channel got experience with batch copying sd cards?
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[21:26] <markvandenborre> preferably with some kind of standalone devices like systor, microboards, aleratec, spartan, intelligent series 9, ...?
[21:26] <Encrypt> markvandenborre, Do you mean "using dd"? :]
[21:26] <Encrypt> Hum...
[21:26] <blockh34d> btw found a link to that book as pdf free - http://it-ebooks.info/go.php?id=1960-1396218835-54ff0a6b622f3b8c4287728a39f1f9b4
[21:26] <markvandenborre> Encrypt: that's what I'm using now
[21:27] <markvandenborre> I just want an end user to be able to copy multiple cards at a time without having to touch a terminal
[21:27] <markvandenborre> and I found multiple devices, but none where I am sure they will work perfectly
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[21:27] <markvandenborre> also found http://www.rockandscissor.com/projects/osid
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[21:28] <markvandenborre> but I'm afraid even that is a bit too risky for them
[21:28] <Encrypt> markvandenborre, Do you want the user to insert his/her SD Card in an SD Card reader and simply press a button to have it ready?
[21:28] <markvandenborre> exactly
[21:29] <markvandenborre> that's what the machines I just referenced are supposed to be used for
[21:29] <Encrypt> Then you can do it with a Raspberry Pi, GPIO and a piece of wood
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[21:30] <Encrypt> Simply put the distros you offer in the RPi home folder (any user will do)
[21:30] <Encrypt> Add a USB to SD Card reader
[21:30] <markvandenborre> you are describing our current setup
[21:30] <markvandenborre> (I wrapped it in a bash script)
[21:30] <Encrypt> A bit of electronics and python code will allow you to wire the GPIO
[21:30] <Encrypt> And then, whenever the user pushes the button, it will execute the dd command
[21:31] <Encrypt> So the user doesn't have to have any knowledge to have it ready
[21:31] <Encrypt> (Plus two LEDs also showing: "Card ready" and "Copy in progress")
[21:32] <Encrypt> That's a good project idea :]
[21:32] <markvandenborre> you did read my previous comment about an existing project that already does this, right?
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[21:33] <markvandenborre> thank you for offering your suggestions, but I was looking for something different
[21:34] <markvandenborre> as in: something that works out of the box that I can offer to my remote collaborator
[21:34] <Encrypt> That will exactly do the job ;)
[21:34] <Encrypt> <markvandenborre> you did read my previous comment about an existing project that already does this, right? // nope
[21:35] <Encrypt> Where is it?
[21:35] <markvandenborre> Encrypt: ?
[21:35] <Encrypt> Do you mean osid?
[21:35] <markvandenborre> yes, indeed
[21:35] <Encrypt> Ah, ok
[21:35] <Encrypt> Well
[21:36] <Encrypt> "dd" does the job well
[21:36] <Encrypt> I don't think that is really appropriate
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[21:36] <Encrypt> Once you've entered the right dd command, you're done
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[21:38] <Poison[BLX]> "dd" from an image within a linux OS, along with targetted purpose of cloning pi images, has the added advantage of being able to do things like expand the partition before calling it done, cloning to variable sized drives, etc. Cloning with a hardware level 'replicator' is going to limit you to same-or-larger cards, and you still have to create the first card manually.
[21:39] <Encrypt> Yes, right! :)
[21:39] <markvandenborre> Poison[BLX]: all correct observations
[21:39] <Encrypt> Once the card has been cloned, he could ask dd to expand the filesytem to use the entire space
[21:40] <blockh34d> whats a good pdf viewer? xpdf does not seem to be working for me
[21:40] <ppq> that's not what dd does
[21:40] <Poison[BLX]> Encrypt: technically parted does the expand on the partition and resize2fs does the filesystem, but yeah.
[21:40] <markvandenborre> Poison[BLX]: but I'm specifically looking for the 'replicator' functionality
[21:41] <Encrypt> blockh34d, evince
[21:41] <markvandenborre> while I _know_ about these limitations
[21:41] <blockh34d> ty
[21:42] <markvandenborre> blockh34d: or okular if you want
[21:42] <blockh34d> whats more minimal?
[21:42] <Poison[BLX]> markvandenborre: you're looking at a good bit of $$ from the hardware I'm seeing, or a home-brew arduino read->buffer->switch spi device->write box that'll have some fairly limited throughput capability.
[21:44] <Poison[BLX]> blockh34d: epdfview or mupdf would be my two recommendations for lightweight.
[21:46] <Poison[BLX]> markvandenborre: upping the processing in the homebrew option to anything useful jumps leaps and bounds past the cost of the equivalent pi setup though. A model A would be more than sufficient for the job, after all.
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[21:47] <Poison[BLX]> and, with a pi, osid does look neat.
[21:47] <markvandenborre> Poison[BLX]: do you have any experience with osid?
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[21:48] <Poison[BLX]> markvandenborre: not yet, about to clone the repo to see how it looks. I don't really have a need for it, but I'm curious now :P
[21:49] <blockh34d> thanks all
[21:49] <blockh34d> anyone tried the neurosky mindwave?
[21:49] <markvandenborre> really strange to see it depend on samba!
[21:51] <markvandenborre> hm, the cool thing being that it can be done through a web browser of course
[21:51] <markvandenborre> so no extra screen needed
[21:51] <markvandenborre> maybe I do need to give it a try anyway
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[21:51] <Poison[BLX]> they probably didn't have space on the pi itself to store their images, that or they thought network would bypass the usb overhead of reading and writing in parallel (despite net being a usb device, 'course)
[21:51] <markvandenborre> though I'm not very optimistic about USB throughput on an rpi to 7 usb devices
[21:52] <markvandenborre> good point
[21:53] <markvandenborre> it does limit the input stream to 4MB/s of course
[21:53] <markvandenborre> at the very maximum
[21:54] <markvandenborre> we did quite extensive experiments with rpi ethernet throughput
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[21:54] <markvandenborre> so presumably, we would be better off with a different kind of embedded device for this purpose
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[21:54] <markvandenborre> that does have enough local storage
[21:55] <markvandenborre> olimex or radxa rock come to mind
[21:55] <markvandenborre> or any other el cheapo quite libre arm boards
[21:56] <markvandenborre> and down the pit we go of spending time on something to hopefully save time...
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[21:58] <Poison[BLX]> markvandenborre: spend time on it to see that you can pull it off, then let it save you time on less interesting tasks later ;)
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[21:58] <blockh34d> the pit holds many wonders
[21:58] <SpeedEvil> https://xkcd.com/1319/
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[21:59] <blockh34d> lol
[21:59] <Poison[BLX]> SpeedEvil: so I'm not the only one who thought of that at the start of the topic... :)
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[22:02] <Poison[BLX]> markvandenborre: it shouldn't take a ton of work to adjust osid to work on a more powerful linux box with faster usb throughput, though the hardcoded paths in at least 26 places are a quick turnoff.
[22:03] <markvandenborre> exactly
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[22:04] <markvandenborre> and next to 1 1/2 full time job, a tiny company, a house renovation and a life with friends and family apart from all that work
[22:04] <Poison[BLX]> and, ew. Just looked at some of them, their use of shell_exec's kinda... ew. The creator of that needs beaten to death with a wet noodle.
[22:05] <markvandenborre> Poison[BLX]: you can probably understand why I'd rather just throw a (considerable) amount of money at the problem
[22:05] <Poison[BLX]> it's because it invites code of that manner that makes me not like php, as handy as it can be at times...
[22:05] <Poison[BLX]> and yeah.
[22:05] <Poison[BLX]> lol.
[22:05] <markvandenborre> I'm not rich at all, just want to pick my battles
[22:06] <Poison[BLX]> I'd actually go a different route and write the whole thing up in python or similar, fairly simplistic interface et. al.
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[22:06] <markvandenborre> you're probably right about that one
[22:06] <cygnae> i'm in a bit of a bind, anyone can help?
[22:06] <cygnae> good afternoon btw
[22:06] <markvandenborre> Poison[BLX]: thx for the nice chat, see you
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[22:06] <[Saint]> It helps if you ask a question.
[22:07] <blockh34d> cygnae: whats up
[22:07] <Poison[BLX]> cygnae: good afternoon! and, we might be able to help, but we need to know what manner of bindings you've gotten yourself into.
[22:07] <cygnae> is there a way to remove all permissions on a folder?
[22:07] <SpeedEvil> chmod 000 folder
[22:07] <[Saint]> Or move it to FAT ;)
[22:07] <cygnae> in the most idiotic way I changed all of my 1tb drive's permissions to root only, now I can't delete/write/anything from my windows PC
[22:07] <Poison[BLX]> cygnae: define 'remove all permissions'.
[22:07] <Poison[BLX]> cygnae: er, ntfs?
[22:07] <blockh34d> maybe need a -R in there for recursion?
[22:07] <cygnae> fat
[22:08] <blockh34d> is it -R? -r?
[22:08] <cygnae> -R
[22:08] <[Saint]> Then there shouldn;t *be* any permissions.
[22:08] <Poison[BLX]> fat doesn't hold permissions in the unix manner, and windows wouldn't honor them.
[22:08] <cygnae> well i'm dumb enough to do chown -R 755 /drive
[22:09] <[Saint]> By my understanding that should have done exactly nothing.
[22:09] <[Saint]> If it is indeed FAT.
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[22:09] <C5E3B7BD> Hey, this might not be the best channel, but, I "need" a hard drive, any suggestions?
[22:10] <cygnae> so now if I want to delete a file in windows it will give me a "You require permission from Unix User/root to make changes to this file"
[22:10] <Fishy> C5E3B7BD: #hardware ?
[22:10] <Poison[BLX]> cygnae: that's not fat.
[22:11] <Poison[BLX]> cygnae: that's ntfs, I'd presume.
[22:11] <cygnae> the pc i'm running has windows 7 but the external drive is fat
[22:11] <cygnae> err the disks on w7 are ntfs*
[22:11] <cygnae> but the external drive is fat32
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[22:11] <C5E3B7BD> Fishy: Yeah, I guess... The only reason i chose here is b/c I want/need it for my RPi
[22:12] <Poison[BLX]> properties on the drive? most usb drives like that are ntfs from the factory these days, especially at 1tb+
[22:12] <cygnae> man I was doing great, took me all weekend for the RPi to mount the external drive...
[22:12] <cygnae> properties.. uhm. let me do a mount
[22:13] <cygnae> �/dev/sda1 on /thor type vfat (rw,relatime,fmask=0022,dmask=0022,codepage=437,iocharset=utf8,shortname=mixed,errors=remount-ro)
[22:13] <[Saint]> aha, VFAT.
[22:13] <[Saint]> I thought that didn;t add up.
[22:13] <cygnae> vfat =/= fat?
[22:13] <[Saint]> No.
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[22:13] <cygnae> <- dumb as a bag of hammers
[22:14] <cygnae> so, any suggestions?
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[22:15] <Poison[BLX]> [Saint]: vfat == fat16/32.
[22:16] <[Saint]> Not *quite*.
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[22:17] <cygnae> am I out of luck?
[22:18] <Poison[BLX]> cygnae: how are you reading it from the windows side, actually physically plugging it in, or samba?
[22:19] <cygnae> i'm proud to say it only took me 3 hours to set up samba on the RPi so that I can read it from the windows side while plugged to the rpi
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[22:20] <cygnae> If I phisically plug it in windows it will tell me it has errors, fix it, and *then* I can write/delete/etc
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[22:22] <blockh34d> so has anyone, anywhere figured out why we sleep, what it does for us? xkcd comic got me thinking about it now it irks me
[22:22] <blockh34d> wtf is the point of sleep?
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[22:22] <[Saint]> I _think_ it boils down to us using both hemispheres of the brain simultaneously.
[22:23] <Xark> blockh34d: Garbage collection. :)
[22:23] <blockh34d> i just dont get it
[22:23] <[Saint]> Which not a lot of things do. Most things can go into a "half sleep" state where a signle hemisphere of the brain is shut down.
[22:23] <[Saint]> We can't.
[22:23] <blockh34d> people go through they're every waking minute barely concious anyways it seems like
[22:23] <blockh34d> lol spelling is horrid
[22:24] <Poison[BLX]> cygnae: Well, in that case, it's actually samba permissions rather than filesystem permissions affecting it... there's a few ways to go about it for varying levels of trust of people within your network and within the users of your pi, but... the lazy, blind to security, approach would be: mount -t vfat /dev/sda1 /thor -o rw,fmask=000,dmask=000 ... and the 'has errors scan and fix?' comes up if it's not unmounted properly before being unplugged f
[22:24] <blockh34d> but you follow i'm sure
[22:24] <[Saint]> WHy brains need to rest is a mystery to me. And many others. But the reason why we fully shut down is such, I believe.
[22:24] <[Saint]> As opposed to going into a semi-dormant state with only one hemisphere shut down.
[22:24] <[Saint]> see: dolphins and whales as prime examples
[22:24] <blockh34d> hmm
[22:25] <[Saint]> One half of their brain is dedicated to making sure they dont drown while they rest.
[22:25] <blockh34d> i wonder if we'll be able to stop sleeping some day
[22:25] <blockh34d> like we plug into a wall instead
[22:25] <blockh34d> or eat a battery
[22:25] <[Saint]> The amount of energy needed to "recharge" a human from a wall point is pretty staggering.
[22:25] <[Saint]> Even if it were possible. :)
[22:25] <cygnae> what will that do, Poison[BLX]?
[22:26] <blockh34d> maybe its something to do with your cellular hydration
[22:26] <blockh34d> like the chemicals that make you feel sore etc
[22:26] <blockh34d> gotta flush them out and gotta shut down to do it?
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[22:27] <Poison[BLX]> cygnae: umask/fmask/dmask set a mask that *limits* the range of permissions allowed for owner/group/other, so 022 means owner can have full, and group/other cannot have write.
[22:28] <cygnae> so 000 means everyone can do anything?
[22:28] <Poison[BLX]> cygnae: exactly
[22:28] <cygnae> ok lemme try that :)
[22:28] <cygnae> in fstab right?
[22:28] <cygnae> without the ... ?
[22:29] <Poison[BLX]> cygnae: they'll work there, yeah, in the options column, and without the ...
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[22:29] <cygnae> options?
[22:29] <cygnae> column?
[22:30] <cygnae> I don't have a gui, if that's what you referring to
[22:30] <Poison[BLX]> the line for fstab would be "/dev/sda1 /thor vfat fmask=000,dmask=000 0 0
[22:30] <[Saint]> which should, in a sane terminal, be aligned to coloumns.
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[22:30] <[Saint]> (which is what Poison[BLX] was referring to)
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[22:30] <cygnae> rebooting....
[22:31] <Poison[BLX]> the settings in fstab are broken into 'columns', i.e. "device mountpoint filesystem options dump pass", whitespace delimited (often with tabs for readability)
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[22:32] <cygnae> yeah.... there wasnt a /etc/fstab over here
[22:33] <[Saint]> ...what!?!
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[22:33] <cygnae> this uh... this distro came without a LOT of stuff.
[22:34] <Poison[BLX]> what's the distro?
[22:34] <cygnae> what's the command? uname -a?
[22:34] <cygnae> Linux pi 3.10-3-rpi #1 Debian 3.10.11-1+rpi5 (2014-03-17) armv6l GNU/Linux
[22:34] <[Saint]> Indeed. What backwards distro is this?
[22:34] <[Saint]> Oh. Hmmm.
[22:34] <cygnae> just updated it yesterday :D
[22:34] <[Saint]> For what reason are you using this strange distro, friend?
[22:35] <[Saint]> WHen many sane ones exist.
[22:35] <cygnae> took me almost a month to figure out I had to update firmware and kernel so the RPi could assign a /dev folder to the usb disks
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[22:35] <cygnae> Lack of space, with intent to dust off my way way WAY old linux skills
[22:35] <cygnae> wth all my folders changed colors
[22:36] <cygnae> they all have green background/blue letters
[22:36] <cygnae> but... Yes! I can delete stuff now.
[22:36] <Poison[BLX]> they're all world writable, which it flags that way to tell you about
[22:36] <[Saint]> Arch is pretty tiny. How much space consists of a "lack of space"?
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[22:36] <cygnae> 1gb microSD
[22:36] <[Saint]> That's plenty for Arch.
[22:37] <[Saint]> Which doesn't come with crappy weird restrictions.
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[22:37] <cygnae> I wanted the whole Raspberry experience, but I don't have a spare monitor, so PuTTY does the job
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[22:37] <cygnae> getting pretty good at doing apt-get install stuff
[22:37] <[Saint]> If space is an issue, and in general, I recommend moving / off onto USB.
[22:37] <[Saint]> / has no business being on an sdcard.
[22:37] <[Saint]> Only /boot need be there.
[22:38] <cygnae> I swear it boots in like 10 seconds
[22:38] <cygnae> plus I'm using the usb port on my router to give power to the pi
[22:38] <cygnae> now any of you gents know about inadyn? I'm not really sure it's working
[22:39] <[Saint]> Ugh. Software DNS clients.
[22:39] <[Saint]> Can't the router handle this?
[22:39] <cygnae> it *can* if i install dd-wrt, but the wifi becomes unstable as hell (dropping connections at ~3 min intervals)
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[22:40] <cygnae> otherwise, there's no support on a tp-link router for afraid.org
[22:40] <[Saint]> Pretty much ever router woth its salt has DynDNS support baked in.
[22:40] <[Saint]> *worth
[22:40] <Poison[BLX]> [Saint]: I've seen a lot of routers that have such a crappy dyndns setup that they get accounts locked for spamming ;)
[22:40] <[Saint]> Ugh.
[22:40] <Poison[BLX]> yay for sub-par firmware that can't be updated! :P
[22:40] <cygnae> no-ip, comexe and dyndns are the factory supported ones only.
[22:41] <cygnae> and afraid kinda kicks ass so. there's that.
[22:41] <cygnae> (plus it's free.)
[22:41] <[Saint]> So is dyn.
[22:41] <[Saint]> And no-ip.
[22:41] <[Saint]> (re: free)
[22:41] <cygnae> I should mention that I have bought a domain, that's why they want to charge me
[22:41] <cygnae> I bought a domain with uh... neubox.net
[22:42] <cygnae> then redirected the nameservers to afraid
[22:42] <cygnae> yes... I think I did that.
[22:42] <cygnae> so... let's see if my transmission works now.
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[22:43] <[SLB]> i have a domain and i have set up a dns entry which points to a dyndns name, that gets updated by my router
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[22:43] <[SLB]> so basically a third level domain of my own points to my pi
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[22:44] <cygnae> so you have slb.com pointing to bunnies.no-ip.org which is running in your router?
[22:45] <cygnae> mother of God, it's downloading...
[22:45] <Poison[BLX]> cygnae: I used to use inadyn, swapped over to ddclient when I moved my domains over to namecheap, but never have used it with afraid there.
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[22:46] <cygnae> is it against the rules to post urls here?
[22:47] <Poison[BLX]> if they're tasteful, legal in the average first world country, and such... I've never seen a complaint.
[22:47] <[SLB]> in particular, my main domain also has its hosting online, but i also have stuff on my pi, so pi.slb.com points to bunnies, and the router updates bunnies with my home ip, then the router nat forwards the required ports to the pi
[22:47] <cygnae> with that said, can anyone please check if they can go to cygnae.com:9091 ?
[22:47] <cygnae> [SLB] I'm struggling with the last part you said. Port forwarding.
[22:48] <[SLB]> i can't access your link
[22:48] <cygnae> *sighs*
[22:48] <[SLB]> once you reach your public ip, the router must know which machine in lan it should forward the packets to
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[22:49] <cygnae> how about now?
[22:49] <[SLB]> nope
[22:49] <cygnae> [SLB] if I have a modem then a router then the pi, do I need to set DMZ from the modem to the router's ip?
[22:50] <[SLB]> i suppose so, and handle the nat on the router
[22:50] <[SLB]> my router is also a modem so it does all the job itself
[22:50] <cygnae> so I'm guessing you can get into it.... now?
[22:51] <[SLB]> yeap
[22:51] <cygnae> godyesimsoawesome.jpg
[22:51] <[SLB]> lol
[22:51] <cygnae> can you ssh to it? port 44
[22:52] <[SLB]> yeap
[22:52] <cygnae> freedom tears
[22:52] <[SLB]> lol
[22:52] <[SLB]> nice
[22:52] <cygnae> now.... now I have to figure out the settings.json on the transmission daemon
[22:52] <cygnae> so I can upload and download and set ratios and stuff
[22:53] <cygnae> ohh and get a client for my android....
[22:53] <[SLB]> eheh
[22:53] <cygnae> and a chrome extension..
[22:53] <cygnae> man.. getting hyped up!
[22:53] <[SLB]> \o/
[22:53] <cygnae> just yesterday I set up inadyn
[22:53] <cygnae> so i'm still not sure it's working completely
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[22:53] <[SLB]> looks good
[22:54] <cygnae> and... what else
[22:54] <cygnae> damn this little pi is amazing
[22:55] <[SLB]> i have http/php/mysql, vpn server, irc bouncer, camera stream, hm what else i forget
[22:55] <cygnae> let's try writing 15gb to the disk while downloading a torrent...
[22:55] <cygnae> [SLB] how many RPIs do you have? man
[22:55] <[SLB]> 1 :p
[22:55] <cygnae> how can it manage not to explode?
[22:56] <cygnae> or am I thinking windows?
[22:56] <[SLB]> does all the job itself
[22:56] <cygnae> hot damn
[22:56] <[SLB]> it's a cool device eheh
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[22:56] <cygnae> duuuuude. I can totally get a camera for my Pi?? like, I can put it facing the entrance of my home?
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[22:56] <[Saint]> You can.
[22:56] <[SLB]> sure
[22:57] <cygnae> best 60 bucks ever.
[22:57] <[SLB]> eheh
[22:57] <cygnae> altough waiting 7 1/2 months to get it was a bit... painful.
[22:57] <[SLB]> http://pi.slblabs.com:7010/ cpu is only at 7% the baby is behaving
[22:58] <cygnae> I used it for openelec for like a year... then I got myself an appleTV 2nd gen and slapped xbmc on it
[22:58] <cygnae> still miss the hdmi-cec
[22:58] <[SLB]> ah eheh
[22:58] <cygnae> [SLB]. I need that.
[22:59] <cygnae> Please.
[22:59] <cygnae> God it's copying the files while downloading a torrent... and it's so tinyyyyy
[22:59] <[SLB]> someone here made it, let me see if i can find the original archive
[23:00] <cygnae> raspcontrol?
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[23:01] <[SLB]> nop i don't remember, it's made in node.js, the user was daniel-j, let me see
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[23:02] <[Saint]> cygnae: wait...what?
[23:02] <cygnae> [Saint] what what did I do?
[23:02] <[Saint]> You had to wait 7 1/2 months for the pi to be delivered?
[23:02] <[Saint]> Or, what?
[23:02] <cygnae> oh yeah
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[23:02] <cygnae> :D
[23:02] <[Saint]> I'm assuming I misread or parsed that weirdly.
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[23:03] <cygnae> 30 weeks and change :D
[23:03] <[Saint]> Do you like in Antarctica or something? Jeebus.
[23:03] <[Saint]> Mine was shipped fromt he UK to NZ in 3 days.
[23:03] <cygnae> psh I wish. Mexico.
[23:03] <[SLB]> i waited so long too, after the first batch was finished
[23:03] <cygnae> I was on a waiting list from RC thingies
[23:03] <cygnae> waited like 4 months
[23:03] <[Saint]> Man. RS UK shipped to me in 3 days from the initial batch.
[23:04] <cygnae> then ordered.
[23:04] <cygnae> theeeeen 7 months
[23:04] <cygnae> and 25 USD later, I got my model b
[23:04] <cygnae> :D
[23:04] <[Saint]> Jeebus.
[23:04] <cygnae> 35 + 25 shipping, that is.
[23:04] <[Saint]> $25 shipping? Christ.
[23:04] <cygnae> Yeah it was the cheapest option
[23:04] <[Saint]> Solid gold envelope?
[23:05] <cygnae> I could've paid for the "fast" shipping, which would take around 3 months, but that was 55 bucks
[23:05] <cygnae> so... kinda defeated the purpose.
[23:05] * [Saint] assumes the price is so high because the postal service needs to pay off the cartels in order to not get...y'know, cut up and/or strung from a highway overpass.
[23:05] <[Saint]> As is the style in Mexico, I'm given to believe. ;)
[23:05] <cygnae> [Saint] wanna hear something funny?
[23:05] <[Saint]> Possibly.
[23:06] <cygnae> the envelope came open. the pi was OUTSIDE of the awesome pink case.
[23:06] <cygnae> aaand had a tab broken. so I can't really use the case.
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[23:06] <[Saint]> Oh. That doesn't surprise me at all with your geographic location.
[23:06] <cygnae> every. single. item. that crosses the border, HAS to be opened and checked.
[23:06] <[Saint]> I imagine a postal operator scanned it and freaked out verily.
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[23:07] <cygnae> wanna hear something funnier? I once was offered a job.
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[23:07] <[Saint]> Also, woo! Pink cases!
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[23:07] <[Saint]> They seem to be somewhat of a novelty. They don;t do those anymore.
[23:07] <cygnae> It involved me using this briefcase... which had everything you could ever want to audit cellphone towers.
[23:07] <cygnae> offered me 8000 USD a WEEK to listen for federal or militar law enforcement agencies. From the comfort of my home.
[23:08] <evil_dan2wik> is there a version of java already installed on the Pi?
[23:08] <cygnae> The lord had never tempted me so hard to do something illegal.
[23:09] <cygnae> (druglord, that is, lol)
[23:10] <cygnae> I said to my friend: "dude, this is too much, I will become a part of the problem, and I thank you SO MUCH for thinking of me, but I politely decline"
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[23:12] <cygnae> how can I diagnose my hard drive?
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[23:14] <evil_dan2wik> 7
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[23:17] <cygnae> i don't know if it's teracopy failing or my hard drive failing
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[23:20] <cygnae> what's the maximum file size for a fat/vfat filesystem?
[23:20] <evil_dan2wik> Hit it with a brick. That way you can be sure that the hard drive i broken
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[23:21] <cygnae> [SLB] is that a quote from Lain on your site?
[23:21] <[SLB]> yea
[23:22] <cygnae> you rule.
[23:22] <[SLB]> ahah thanks :p
[23:22] <cygnae> and maybe... i'm too old.
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[23:22] <[SLB]> i'm 32
[23:22] <cygnae> damn it I turn 32 this year.
[23:22] <[SLB]> i'm older then eheh
[23:23] <Raynerd> Hi guys, with a light gate, how accurately could a pi time the time between triggers??
[23:24] * cygnae points to [Saint] and [SLB].
[23:24] <cygnae> they're the pros
[23:24] <evil_dan2wik> How would an RPi handle real minecraft?
[23:24] <[SLB]> no clue about that sorry
[23:25] <cygnae> evil_dan2wik ask the important questions.
[23:25] <cygnae> asks*
[23:25] <cygnae> never tought of that.
[23:25] <cygnae> [SLB] is it this? http://derkev.in/rpisysinfoscript/
[23:26] <[Saint]> evil_dan2wik: what do you mean by "real minecraft"?
[23:26] <evil_dan2wik> I was thinking that if it can handle minecraft Pi edition so well, then maybe minecraft could be re-compiled with a lot of features stripped off it,
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[23:26] <evil_dan2wik> desktop edition = real
[23:27] <[Saint]> For a tiny map, with limited occupants, I would guess it would perform "OK".
[23:27] <cygnae> evil_dan2wik kinda like minecraft pocket edition?
[23:28] <[SLB]> cygnae, that's another one but it gives some useful infos too, there are screenshots below
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[23:28] <evil_dan2wik> cygnae, Kind of like that but able to connect to PC version
[23:28] <cygnae> majong will never allow cross-platform connection
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[23:29] <evil_dan2wik> Then what is Android and IOS doing?
[23:30] <cygnae> they can connect to each other now?
[23:30] <cygnae> damn, color me impressed!
[23:31] <evil_dan2wik> and since RPi version is based off pocket edition, I guess it wouldn't be too hard to get that connected too.
[23:34] <cygnae> man it's taking a billion years to copy 5gb
[23:34] <evil_dan2wik> but PC to RPi wouldn't be cross platform, since the RPi is a computer with ARM at it's core.
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[23:41] <cygnae> cpu has been at 80% load since I started copying stuff. Does that make the file copying slower?
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[23:42] <Poison[BLX]> cygnae: it might, but not guaranteed.
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[23:43] <[Saint]> Its language question time:
[23:44] <[Saint]> In your opinion - "tidbit" or "titbit"?
[23:44] <Poison[BLX]> evil_dan2wik: to make minecraft proper run well on a pi, I suspect, it'd a) have to be rebuilt with gles instead of base gl and b) need some serious memory allocation overhauls that you're not likely to get as long as it's java based (and there's next to no motivation for him to rewrite it outside of java)
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[23:44] <Xark> [Saint]: The former. :)
[23:44] <Poison[BLX]> tidbit's how I've always seen and heard it, eastern US.
[23:45] <[Saint]> Ha! In your face, co-worker!
[23:45] * [Saint] points at the screen and does the neener-neener dance
[23:45] <Poison[BLX]> I add region because it does matter with oddities like that. :P
[23:45] <[SLB]> cygnae, http://pi.slblabs.com/stats.tgz
[23:45] * Xark is west coast US and doesn't recall ever hearing "titbit" (sounds naughty...)
[23:46] <[Saint]> My co-worker says it.
[23:46] <evil_dan2wik> Poison[BLX], I have ran minecraft in 256mb of ram before so with some adjustments it might beable to reach 128mb
[23:46] <[Saint]> (in NZ - Australasia, if it matters)
[23:46] <[Saint]> I sincerely doubt you'll get Minecraft to run in 128MB
[23:47] <Poison[BLX]> with... a 6x6x6 map?
[23:47] <Xark> [Saint]: Tidbit is even in the dictionary -> http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/tidbit
[23:47] <Xark> [Saint]: However, it also mentioned "titbit" (so your co-worker may not be totally off).
[23:47] <[Saint]> Indeed. Seems to be very locale dependent.
[23:47] <Xark> [Saint]: Ahh, from comments UK vs US thing.
[23:48] <[Saint]> But, we're both NZ born and bred, so it doesn't make much sense.
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[23:49] <Poison[BLX]> well, NZ and Aussie-ville both, from what I've run across, lean much more towards UK style dialects than US, when they're not outright just in their own weird little world down there with meanings and pronunciations.
[23:49] <Poison[BLX]> :)
[23:49] <[Saint]> You know us well.
[23:49] <[Saint]> :)
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[23:51] <Poison[BLX]> I've talked to far more Aussies than NZ, but enough of both to know how to make any blindingly mad with the right choices of words.
[23:52] <evil_dan2wik> Poison[BLX], desktop edition, on a server with other people, on 256mb of ram. It ran out of memory after about half an hour but that could be corrected.
[23:53] <Poison[BLX]> evil_dan2wik: I really need to not run it with ridiculously high view distances et. al. then, I suppose... next time I get around to starting it up.
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[23:54] <evil_dan2wik> With optifine, it will probably be possible to get a smaller chunk load distance with no fog
[23:54] <evil_dan2wik> disable all flowing textures, remove particles.
[23:54] <evil_dan2wik> Hmm
[23:55] <evil_dan2wik> The internal server would be a problem.
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[23:55] <evil_dan2wik> Probably only be playable on external servers
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[23:57] <evil_dan2wik> anyway, got to go

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