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IRC Log for 2014-04-01

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[0:00] <Poison[BLX]> why did I switch back here to find THAT of all things. WHY man. WHY?! :)
[0:00] <blockh34d> its the interlol
[0:00] <blockh34d> there is no other way
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[0:02] <Poison[BLX]> 'that' being your reference. Reading up from there, curiosity's tempting, but when less than 2s is required for the 'don't click on that' reaction, I do know that what has been seen cannot be unseen.
[0:03] <blockh34d> yah i'm a veteran troll and i'm not looking at it
[0:03] <blockh34d> if i want some gay porn i'll get it somewhere else
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[0:03] <Sashmo_> ewwww mannn
[0:03] <Sashmo_> my irc client auto maticly gets thumbnails!
[0:04] <Sashmo_> ewwwwww
[0:04] <blockh34d> lol you clicked it didnt you
[0:04] <blockh34d> ohhh
[0:04] * Sashmo_ is disgusted!
[0:04] <blockh34d> quick sand you eyes down a little
[0:04] <blockh34d> with a high grit sandpaper
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[0:04] <Poison[BLX]> Welp, that answers that.
[0:04] <blockh34d> its the only way you can unsee
[0:04] <Poison[BLX]> :D
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[0:08] <phelix> Does anyone know if its possible to play android games on the pi?
[0:08] <phelix> there any emulator that will allow you to do this?
[0:08] <blockh34d> not possible
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[0:08] <blockh34d> pretty sure that is totally not possible
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[0:09] <blockh34d> sounds fun though
[0:09] <blockh34d> should be possilbe, pretty sure its not though
[0:09] <phelix> why not? An emulator can not be created? Arn't android phones and the pi both arm processors?
[0:09] <blockh34d> yah but have you ever used an android emulator on PC?
[0:09] <phelix> No I haven't
[0:09] <blockh34d> emulated android is pretty miserable experience
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[0:09] <blockh34d> i don't know why
[0:09] <blockh34d> seems like it should run fast and easy right? nope.
[0:10] <phelix> hmm, the pi about just as powerful as a cell phone. Would be awesome if we could figure out a way to do this
[0:10] <blockh34d> it makes me apprehensive about a emulator on pi
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[0:10] <blockh34d> yah like i said, totally should be possible
[0:10] <blockh34d> but i am unaware of anything to do that
[0:10] <blockh34d> maybe you could make a kit of dummy libraries that simply pretend to be the android OS to the app compiler
[0:10] <Poison[BLX]> an emulator on pc has to emulate the processor (arm on x86/x86_64 is painful), assuming an old enough version of android/dalvik/etc... you might be able to get enough of the stack running on a pi, but it's really not something I've seen worked on by anyone
[0:11] <rikkib> You do understand that young people visit/use this channel?
[0:11] <blockh34d> rikkib: who?
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[0:11] <rikkib> You
[0:11] <blockh34d> what'd i say?
[0:11] <phelix> rikkib ???
[0:11] <blockh34d> well don't say itagain if its a problem
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[0:12] <blockh34d> but message me so i know
[0:12] <rikkib> goatse is not an appropriate subject for here!
[0:12] <blockh34d> oh, well thats true
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[0:12] <blockh34d> not like i linked to it or something though
[0:13] <blockh34d> i won't mention those six letters in that sequence again though, in here, since i agree with your larger point, no one needs to see that
[0:14] <blockh34d> ever
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[0:17] <phelix> Doesn't pi use RetroArch?
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[0:20] <phelix> Why would google have a retroarch app? https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.retroarch
[0:20] <phelix> Could it be related to the pi in some way?
[0:20] <blockh34d> i am so glad google is not messing up rpi by buying it or something
[0:21] <blockh34d> or like, facebook or someone like that
[0:21] <blockh34d> if it wasnt for google+ i might trust google to properly roll out something like r-pi for what its meant for, but not anymore... g+ is so horrible its really soured me on the whole google experience
[0:22] <blockh34d> all this obsession with social networking just feels very invasive
[0:23] <phelix> yes it does.
[0:23] <phelix> But do you know why google built a retroarch app?
[0:23] <phelix> What is it for and why would it be built? Any ideas?
[0:24] <phelix> is it basically a emulator so you can play retro games on the android phone?
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[0:25] <phelix> seems so easy for android to tap into retroarch and load the exact same emulators that the rpie is using you would think it wouldn't be to hard to go the other way and emulate the google android games. It does run linux too.
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[0:28] <Poison[BLX]> looks like google's not the source of the app, the actual libretro/retroarch group made it (according to the app's description), google play just hosts it like any good appstore. As for going the other direction, the issue is primarily getting an emulated (or just building a native) dalvik layer with pi-compatible gles or egl running, whichever it is that android leans more towards.
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[0:29] <phelix> Do you think it would be more complicated than any other emulator?
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[0:30] <Poison[BLX]> there's actually a non-accelerated android port for the pi, and an accelerated one that I can't find any mention of beyond "it exists, we're working on it" from eben back in 2012.
[0:30] <philipp__> hey, i installed rtorrent on a raspberry pi. It is downloading throgh a vpn but for some reason it gets VERY low bandwith (like 50 kbps). I dont know what could cause that or how to fix that... im hoping for help of you guys
[0:31] <phelix> hmm, thats interesting. Anything thats avaiable I can download and play with?
[0:32] <Poison[BLX]> http://androidpi.wikia.com/wiki/Android_Pi_Wiki <-- toys there, but... the pi actually has a slower processor + less ram than your average phone, especially in the range of time that's sparked off the bulk of the game creation for android.
[0:32] <phelix> Is this for basically installing the android OS on the pi? or an emulator to load android applications?
[0:32] <Poison[BLX]> the os itself
[0:32] <phelix> ahh ok. But with the android OS you could then run all those aps and also install retroarch and use the supported emulators?
[0:33] <Poison[BLX]> potentially, yeah, but from what I'm seeing, no video acceleration would probably result in a rather high number of games being unusable.
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[0:34] <phelix> hmm
[0:34] <phelix> does the pi plan on coming out with a more advanced system with better cpu/ram/graphics etc?
[0:34] <ozzzy> did you know that more money is spent on pecker pills and fake boobs than alzheimer's research
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[0:35] <evil_dan2wik> phelix, the pi was designed to be low cost, low power consumption, pocket sized computer.
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[0:36] <evil_dan2wik> It does pretty good for what is in it.
[0:36] <Poison[BLX]> phelix: eventually it's in the back of their minds, from comments I've tripped over, but there's not any concrete idea, since at the moment, no other hardware combination they can get their hands on comes even close to the price point they managed with the pi. The pi really was a perfect storm of pieces, parts, etc. for what they wanted to do.
[0:36] <phelix> yah, that is true.
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[0:39] <philipp__> okey about my rtorrent/openvpn problem: the low bandwith seems to be caused by openvpn somehow. however the odd thing is: the cpu is not running at full speed. i dont understand why the torrents are coming slow when there is still cpu room to calculate the openvpn encrytion...
[0:39] <evil_dan2wik> io maybe?
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[0:40] <philipp__> what do you mean io? im not doing any input...
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[0:40] <Poison[BLX]> phelix: for raw low level functionality, cpu side processing, etc, with all costs considered (power supply, etc) there's only one other contender on equivalent price-wise footing with the pi, but the video capabilities of that one are orders of magnitude lower on it (though it *does* fit in a mint tin)
[0:43] <Poison[BLX]> philipp__: off the cuff thoughts here, but 1) is openvpn set up to run over udp or tcp? and 2) is all traffic through the pipe that slow or just torrenting?
[0:43] <phelix> Yea, I was looking into that before I made my decision to purchase the pi
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[0:45] <philipp__> Poison[BLX]: of corse i just download legal torrents :-) 1) udp and im not sure i can reconfigure that. 2) lett me check i will brb
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[0:47] <Poison[BLX]> philipp__: I was going to just work under the assumption that you just mirror all the various pi images over torrent ;) and 1) good (tcp in a tcp tunnel causes obscure latency oddities), 2) kk.
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[0:49] <philipp__> Poison[BLX]: okey im currently testing, 500kbps and top tells me 21.9% cpu usage
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[0:51] <philipp__> Poison[BLX]: the REALLY odd thing is: when i overclock my pi im getting even worse performance :/
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[0:52] <blockh34d> philipp__: i very much like qbittorrent
[0:52] <philipp__> blockh34d: im using rtorrent
[0:53] <philipp__> blockh34d: working quite well. i can control every thing via web interface
[0:54] <blockh34d> i thougth you said it was slow
[0:54] <blockh34d> can it download in sequential order?
[0:54] <blockh34d> that is a nonstandard feature of bit torrent
[0:54] <Raynerd> Hi blockh34d - couldn't add the bottom message bar :-(
[0:55] <philipp__> blockh34d: yes caused by openvpn not by rtorrent...
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[0:56] <blockh34d> oh i see
[0:56] <blockh34d> Raynerd: hi trying to remember what you mean
[0:57] <blockh34d> oh i remember
[0:57] <blockh34d> right right
[0:57] <blockh34d> hows your game then?
[0:57] <Raynerd> Ok, not bad.
[0:57] <blockh34d> philipp__: if rtorrent doesnt support sequential downloading (ie, watch the movie while it downloads), i would again recomment qbittorrent
[0:57] <Raynerd> Just would like bottom message bar and can't implement it
[0:57] <blockh34d> i believe it also has web browser admin
[0:58] <blockh34d> ok so what specific problems did you encounter
[0:58] <blockh34d> post your source code as far as you got it
[0:58] <blockh34d> or pay me and i will do it all ;)
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[0:59] <philipp__> blockh34d: its not rtorrent. when i turn of openvpn rtorrent is downloading with 2.5 to 3.0 mbps.
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[1:02] <philipp__> Poison[BLX]: you are still here? dont give up on me! :) i am trying to overclock my ra pi now to see if i see a difference in bandwith
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[1:04] <Poison[BLX]> philipp__: still here, fighting with a server 2012 box that hates me ;)
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[1:05] <philipp__> Poison[BLX]: what do you think... could my bottleneck be the sdcard read/write speed?
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[1:06] <SpeedEvil> philipp__: Many SD cards have tens of kilobytes random write speed
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[1:06] <SpeedEvil> http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/sdxc-sdhc-uhs-i,2940-10.html
[1:07] <SpeedEvil> you want to enable any 'chunking disk write' options that the client has
[1:07] <Poison[BLX]> philipp__: with a random access style write like torrents give, very possibly, yeah.
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[1:08] <philipp__> Poison[BLX]: aww... i did not mention that. torrents download on an external hard drive not on the card
[1:08] <Poison[BLX]> hrm.
[1:08] <Poison[BLX]> wifi or wired?
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[1:09] <Poison[BLX]> also, how's memory usage look when it's slowed down?
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[1:10] <philipp__> Poison[BLX]: i just overcloacked my ra pi... cpu usage went down, bandwidth the same... one mom im checking mem usage
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[1:12] <philipp__> Poison[BLX]: http://bpaste.net/show/AYB4YVoZpfOfYnrnGHtY/
[1:14] <Poison[BLX]> well, you're not swapping, at least.
[1:14] <philipp__> Poison[BLX]: im so out of ideas =(
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[1:22] <Poison[BLX]> philipp__: with it working at its top speed, test speed on a separate connection through the vpn to see if that cuts into the bandwidth your torrent's getting, and if that doesn't appear to be the case, dd a gig or so from /dev/zero to a file on the drive it's writing to to see what your i/o throughput is at least for a streaming write.
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[1:25] <Poison[BLX]> the pi's a bit limited on actual network bandwidth, but the overhead of the vpn shouldn't be *that* bad. CPU bound with the encryption would've been my first guess, but since it was what you looked for first, I'm really not sure.
[1:25] <philipp__> Poison[BLX]: i was able to reproduce the problem with rtorrent not even running. i dont think it is related with rtorrent in any way. What i can try is running the download thest with wget twice to see if it is a limitation per process. after that i try to dd a gig
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[1:27] <philipp__> Poison[BLX]: is there a parameter for dd to limit it to one gig?
[1:28] <philipp__> Poison[BLX]: never mind i just canceled dd and it tould me 232407040 bytes (232 MB) copied, 22.3564 s, 10.4 MB/s
[1:29] <Poison[BLX]> well, clearly not io bound there, definitely network bound (unless you're just saturating the usb host with traffic, since lan + usb ports all talk through the same pins on the pi's cpu)
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[1:32] <Poison[BLX]> but if it hits the same wall with just wget through the vpn, it seems likely that it's a vpn issue... or an entropy issue, if openvpn's depending on real random data for its encryption side.
[1:32] <philipp__> Poison[BLX]: i dont understand it... when i dont dial in in the vpn i get, 2.5 mbps => general connection cant be the issue, when i look at "top" it tells me the cpu is <50% in usage => cpu cant be the issue, when i dd i get 10mbps => write speed cant be the issue =(
[1:33] <philipp__> Poison[BLX]: it has nothing to do with rtorrent. the problem is reproduceable with wget http://www.wswd.net/testdownloadfiles/1GB.zip
[1:34] <philipp__> Poison[BLX]: some time it goes up to 800 kpbs and some times it drops down to 200 kpbs (while my desktop allways manages 2.5 mbps +)
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[1:36] <philipp__> Poison[BLX]: openvpn has to have som bottleneck... there has to be a way to find out...
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[1:37] <philipp__> Poison[BLX]: what did you say about rand values?
[1:37] <Poison[BLX]> philipp__: the actual hardware backed random source on the pi's slow
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[1:38] <Poison[BLX]> straight download of that (to the sd card I have in my pi) just averaged 2-3MB/s here, so it's not a pi hardware issue just on download...
[1:38] <philipp__> Poison[BLX]: whats your key size?
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[1:41] <Poison[BLX]> philipp__: that's not through any sort of vpn, there. That was straight pi->router->...->wswd.net and back.
[1:42] <Sashmo> [SLB]: OMG!!! the 5th PICamera and it WORKS now!
[1:42] <Sashmo> cant believe so many duds!
[1:43] * Sashmo is bedside himself!
[1:43] <Poison[BLX]> ... the things you never want to discover... my pi downloads faster than my gaming rig. I give up on life. :D
[1:43] <Poison[BLX]> (on the order of 2x faster).
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[1:43] <philipp__> Poison[BLX]: same here =/ btw this seems to be my problem http://raspberrypi.stackexchange.com/questions/14065/raspberry-pi-openvpn-client-speed-bottleneck
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[1:44] <philipp__> Poison[BLX]: just seeing someone else experienting the same issue drains so much sanity back :D
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[1:44] <Poison[BLX]> hehe, yeah, the lack of anyone seeing the same problem as me is what has this svr2012 issue driving me insane
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[1:47] <philipp__> Poison[BLX]: even in real life having a harmless rare desease is worse then having a common severe since you get no meds against rare ones
[1:47] <philipp__> Poison[BLX]: no difference on software issues there
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[1:53] <philipp__> Poison[BLX]: oh... i cant even +1 the issue on stack exchange since i dont have 15 carma... thats not fair...
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[1:56] <philipp__> Poison[BLX]: unless any of us has an epiffeny in the next view secs i think i will just watch the thread. Thanks anyway for your time. Pumping myself with caffeine and looking into an issue is better then se. !
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[1:58] <philipp__> oh guys one more question plz: i just overclocked my ra pi from 0.7 to 0.9 without using cooling. is there a chance it starts burning when i go to sleep?
[2:00] <Sashmo> philipp__: hell no
[2:00] <philipp__> Sashmo thx good to know, i sleep better that way
[2:00] <Sashmo> ;)
[2:01] <Davespice> has anyone had a look at raspberrypi.org recently?
[2:01] * Davespice waggles his eyebrows
[2:02] <Sashmo> cooool
[2:02] <philipp__> wtf? did they got hacked or drunk?
[2:02] <Davespice> I think we need to look at the calendar ;)
[2:03] <philipp__> DO'H! gonna write them an email that they got me good :)
[2:04] <Sashmo> yes yes in some countries its already that day!
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[2:06] <philipp__> Sashmo yer im german, 2 am here and i got to work tomorrow =(
[2:06] <Sashmo> hahah, have a good one at work ;)
[2:06] <blockh34d> Davespice: did you port quake or openarena or something to rpi?
[2:06] <philipp__> im gonna have a headcrash (head on keyboard)
[2:06] <philipp__> anyway
[2:06] <philipp__> Ich wünsche euch allen eine gute Nacht! :-)
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[2:06] <blockh34d> i'm trying to figure out some opengles2 stuff is why i ask
[2:07] <blockh34d> tag
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[2:07] <blockh34d> thats a casual german goodbye yes?
[2:07] <blockh34d> i can never emember
[2:08] <blockh34d> ich lerne deutsche im schule zwei jahr und wohne im frankfurt sechs monet
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[2:10] <Sashmo> can anyone tell me what their PI cam comes up as in /dev ?
[2:10] <blockh34d> i can if you give me a whle to boot up a pi and switch around my video cables
[2:13] <Sashmo> im not running anywhere ;)
[2:13] <Sashmo> that wound be great....
[2:13] <Sashmo> ahhhh
[2:13] <Sashmo> dont worry
[2:13] <Sashmo> blockh34d: found the issue
[2:13] <blockh34d> just got to it
[2:13] <Sashmo> motion dosnt work with the PICamera by default
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[2:14] <blockh34d> i heard theres a way i think so keep at it
[2:14] <Sashmo> ;)
[2:14] <blockh34d> i'm not sure i see th e picam anywhere in /dev
[2:15] <blockh34d> its not /dev/videoSomething
[2:15] <blockh34d> mayb ei didnt 'enable camera' yet, trying that and rebooting
[2:15] <Poison[BLX]> Davespice: WIN. Awesome news.
[2:16] <blockh34d> does anyone have much experience with opengles2 on rpi here?
[2:16] <blockh34d> i keep hitting very frustrating bottle necks trying to update many polygons at once
[2:16] <Davespice> no that was Simon Hall, we had an open challenge to reimplement the recently-made-open-source broadcrom video drivers to the Pi
[2:16] <Davespice> and the challenge was to do it for Quake 3
[2:17] <blockh34d> yah that's pretty sweet
[2:17] <blockh34d> weapons mod ftw
[2:17] <Davespice> the guy won 10k for it :)
[2:18] <Davespice> but it means a lot of android stuff could be ported pretty well now
[2:18] <blockh34d> that'd be cool
[2:18] <blockh34d> i wish i could figure out what the problem is with rpi and dynamic polygons
[2:18] <Davespice> the guys over in #razdroid are probably already on it
[2:19] <blockh34d> like for particle effects or mabye bullets, things that change every frame
[2:19] <blockh34d> any time i post new polygons to the gpu, brutal slowdown
[2:19] <blockh34d> even though its shared memory, shouldnt matter i'd think
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[2:20] <blockh34d> but if i update more than maybe 5 polygons per frame i can not keep the rate over 40fps
[2:20] <Davespice> hmm... I've had an 20 sided shape growing and skrinking okay although I think I was using a scale matrix as opposed to actually moving the vertices
[2:20] <blockh34d> i can't see anything like a camera in my /dev folder Sashmo
[2:20] <blockh34d> yah i can do that no problem
[2:20] <blockh34d> actually very meshy is ok if its static
[2:20] <Sashmo> blockh34d: yeah its not there.... I was googling it, because its CSI thats why it wont show there
[2:21] <blockh34d> but the moment it needs tochange, i just cant figure out what it takes to keep performance up
[2:21] <blockh34d> i tried 'orphanining', compiling all the little buffers into one big manually made buffer, really everything i could think of
[2:22] <blockh34d> orphaning i guess, horrible speller here
[2:22] <blockh34d> what i would really, really love as a opengl developer is a sample app that creates a bunch of particles and effectively moves them all at once
[2:22] <blockh34d> like maybe a snowflake demo app
[2:23] <blockh34d> if i could see the correct way to do that for an rpi's setup, i'm sure i could figure the rest out, but everything i'm trying is way too slow
[2:23] <Davespice> I've seen a few of those kinds of things done using QT
[2:24] <Davespice> on the Pi... but you probably want the raw gles C
[2:24] <blockh34d> QT? like qt4 glwindow etc?
[2:24] <Davespice> yeah, QT Quick too
[2:24] <blockh34d> i'm using pi3d atm
[2:24] <Davespice> oh is that the python one?
[2:24] <blockh34d> mostly to get ath the opengles2 object it reveals
[2:24] <blockh34d> yah i like it a lot actually
[2:24] <blockh34d> its maybe not the fastest wayt o go but its pretty nice
[2:25] <Davespice> ah right, the interpreted nature of python might be chopping its legs off...
[2:25] <blockh34d> but has real trouble moving around more than a few things at once
[2:25] <blockh34d> see i thought that too
[2:25] <blockh34d> but what i found is if i remove everything but the bindbuffer... frame rate is through the roof
[2:25] <blockh34d> even if i just redraw last frames dynamic polygons again
[2:25] <blockh34d> or dont draw them either ewya, super fast
[2:25] <blockh34d> but as soon as i bindbuffer... death
[2:26] <Davespice> have you tried the same thing in C? or C++?
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[2:26] <blockh34d> no not yet i suppose i should but i really want to use python
[2:26] <blockh34d> i think it will be the same issue...
[2:26] <blockh34d> i think its opengl throwing a 'mutex'? i dunno some sort of blocking thing
[2:26] <Davespice> there is always going to be a performance overhead with python, just because its an interpreter and has automatic garbage collection and stuff
[2:26] <blockh34d> says 'you want to update this buffer but we are using it right now so you get to wait'
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[2:27] <blockh34d> right but i mean even if i do all the python stuff i get a awesome frame rate
[2:27] <Davespice> ah yeah, annoying
[2:27] <blockh34d> but if i bindbuffer... death
[2:27] <Davespice> no dammit OBEY
[2:27] <ShorTie> i thought real video stuff was done in assembly
[2:27] <blockh34d> not since the 80s
[2:28] <Davespice> hmm, can you do tabs in markdown anyone?
[2:28] <blockh34d> havent tried markdown
[2:28] <blockh34d> is it a browser?
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[2:30] <Davespice> no its like a markup language, for creating documents, a bit like the system wikipedia uses, not as complex as html, everyone in github uses it
[2:30] <blockh34d> hey if you ever feel like seeing how many snowflakes you can get moving at 60fps, i don't care what language its in i'd really dig taking a look at that
[2:30] <Davespice> yeah would be a fun project that
[2:30] * Poison[BLX] ponders.
[2:30] <blockh34d> i think it'd be a nice contest
[2:30] <Davespice> maybe have layers of paralax and everything
[2:30] <blockh34d> 'how many snow flakes can you keep moving at 60fps'
[2:30] <blockh34d> only good things could come from that contest
[2:31] <rikkib> No tabs in markdown
[2:31] <Poison[BLX]> wouldn't be hard, dynamic addition of them until the framerate drops below the setpoint, then remove one, wait a half second, and try again.
[2:31] <Davespice> hmm, I'll mention it to Eben, not sure if he'll be prepared to award another 10k for it tho :)
[2:31] <blockh34d> yea that parts easy
[2:31] <blockh34d> now see how high you can get that number
[2:31] <blockh34d> oh i dunno about 10k
[2:31] <blockh34d> how about 'pat on the back'
[2:31] <blockh34d> 'the glory'
[2:31] <Davespice> a title?
[2:32] <blockh34d> King of Ohio
[2:32] <Davespice> the snowflakemeister?
[2:32] <Poison[BLX]> how about "I doubt you could pull it off." as motivation?
[2:32] <Poison[BLX]> :P
[2:32] <blockh34d> that is a classic
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[2:32] <blockh34d> anyone watch ATHF?
[2:32] <Poison[BLX]> not in a long time, sadly.
[2:32] <blockh34d> remember Mr. Wong's "prize"
[2:33] <blockh34d> castration
[2:33] <blockh34d> you win free castration
[2:33] <blockh34d> i think that would be less popular
[2:34] <blockh34d> <3 ATHF... super model and e-dork = best episodes ever
[2:34] <rikkib> You really don't understand the concept of family friendly do you?
[2:34] <blockh34d> what?
[2:35] <blockh34d> why are you trying to get so many kids in your chatroom rikkib?
[2:35] <blockh34d> the internet is not family friendly, i do my best but its out of my control
[2:36] <rikkib> http://tiny.cc/h7za1w
[2:36] <blockh34d> how do you remove a channel from irssi's autojoin?
[2:36] <rikkib> Read the rules
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[2:36] <rikkib> It is not my channell
[2:36] <blockh34d> no i think i'll just leave
[2:36] <rikkib> Good
[2:36] <blockh34d> really cant see why i'd put up with it
[2:36] <blockh34d> or put you on ignore
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[2:37] <blockh34d> anyone, preference?
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[2:37] <ShorTie> set a good example and follow the rules
[2:38] <blockh34d> yeah i did
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[2:39] <blockh34d> ok ignoring rikkib, if 'the powers that be' have a problem with me or how i am, just ban me. Your loss.
[2:40] <rikkib> Not my loss
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[3:21] <SevenEight> Has anyone successfully run freebsd on the Pi?
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[3:25] <Davespice> yeah I think so
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[3:26] <Davespice> there is a freebsd sub forum on raspberrypi.org, forums seem to be down though
[3:28] <SevenEight> Davespice: What I'm really interested in is, how well it runs compared to the other OSs configured for the Pi.
[3:28] <Davespice> found this too; http://ogris.de/howtos/freebsd-raspberry.html
[3:28] <Davespice> I have never used it so I can't give an opinion
[3:28] <SevenEight> Davespice: Thanks
[3:29] <Davespice> here is the sub forun link too: http://www.raspberrypi.org/forum/viewforum.php?f=85
[3:29] <Davespice> might be worth it to post there to connect with other Pi freebsd users
[3:30] <SevenEight> Davespice: freebsd has this image of an OS mainly for large-scale servers (owing to the capabilities of zfs)
[3:30] <SevenEight> so, running it on the pi seems somehow counterintuitive
[3:30] <SevenEight> Thanks for the links
[3:31] <Davespice> excluding media centers, I only really see Raspbian and Arch being used
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[3:32] <Davespice> you get the odd RISC OS die hard too
[3:32] <SevenEight> now you're talking :D
[3:32] <blockh34d> is the main reason raspbian isnt used for more mediacenters the lack of a good player?
[3:32] <blockh34d> or do people just not like to mix business with pleasure, desktop with playback, etc
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[3:33] <ozzzy> betcha the Pi would run QNX great
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[3:37] <Poison[BLX]> blockh34d: mostly it's that XBMC 'just works' with raspbmc and openelec, which is usually the goal on a mediacenter system.
[3:38] <blockh34d> ok that was mys uspsicion
[3:38] <blockh34d> just curious if i should expect anyone to use my gui app much
[3:38] <blockh34d> feels like people dont even try to play back media from raspbian
[3:39] <blockh34d> it works great for me, I'm watching video right now, not even using 40% cpu while i run a bunch of other apps
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[3:40] <blockh34d> as long as you use omxplayer, theres no real playback issues that i've found, don't see the need for specialized things like XBMC if they do that at the expense of other functionality (x, etc)
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[3:40] <blockh34d> if you run xbmc, can you exit it, start X up and do stuff?
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[3:41] <blockh34d> i should try it sometime but i'm really very happy with rasbian
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[3:45] <Poison[BLX]> blockh34d: you could just install xbmc and try it under raspbian. It won't be top of the line performance, since it's not as stripped down as the images that run it as a default, but it should function.
[3:45] <dagerik> blockh34d: yes video decoding of h264 is nice because the gpu does all the processing.
[3:45] <blockh34d> yes i've been quite happy with rpi as media center
[3:45] <dagerik> xbmc?
[3:45] <blockh34d> Poison[BLX]: oh ok thanks i'll give that ashot
[3:45] <blockh34d> no i use raspbian witha gui i wrote for omxplayer
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[3:46] <blockh34d> gives it some basic little stuff, makes it just barely good enough for me
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[3:47] <blockh34d> playlist, full screen toggle, audio stream selection, etc.. it's Scamp in the pi store if you'd like to try it (totally free)
[3:47] <Poison[BLX]> blockh34d: xbmc's an awful lot heavier than your interface, but it handles most use cases when it's configured right, and it's incredibly pretty (though I personally spend more time in front of a terminal, meaning yours wins out for my style ;) )
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[3:48] <blockh34d> oh thanks for the info
[3:48] <Poison[BLX]> np
[3:48] <blockh34d> i thought about using an opengl window to make a really pretty ui
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[3:48] <blockh34d> i could have that work fine outside X even... but it would load much slower, and have other problems working against it
[3:48] <blockh34d> i think about it though
[3:49] <blockh34d> i dunno what to call what i have in mind, but it'd be like a very minimal OS centered around a media center except it'd have some other non media center functionality
[3:49] <blockh34d> like torrents, irc, a browser, and games
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[4:11] <pksato> what happen here? http://www.raspberrypi.org/
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[4:14] <blockh34d> looks like a fine web page to me
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[4:14] <blockh34d> needs more horizontal rules
[4:15] <blockh34d> and table borders
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[4:21] <Tachyon`> ah, the date
[4:21] <blockh34d> a fine, fine webpage
[4:21] <blockh34d> needs a dancing hampster
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[4:24] <Tachyon`> www.badgerbadgerbadger.com
[4:25] <Tachyon`> guaranteed tb free
[4:27] <dagerik> lol. look what i made. http://129.241.126.75:8080/image.html
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[4:28] <blockh34d> can lynx run javascript?
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[4:28] <blockh34d> how about a direct link to theimage?
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[4:29] <Tachyon`> what does that shirt say under OMG
[4:29] <dagerik> omg aka wtf
[4:30] <dagerik> so this is a low 1 fps. is a bash script taking pictures continually. and the webpage refreshes the image. is it possible to get this any smoother?
[4:31] <dagerik> code here: https://github.com/dvikan/rpi-webcam-image-server
[4:32] <blockh34d> dagerik did you know /temp is a ram drive?
[4:33] <blockh34d> if you save imagines to /temp it wil be ridiculously faster than anywhere else on the rpi file system (unless you moved root)
[4:33] <blockh34d> imagines? images
[4:33] <dagerik> ah. did not know /temp is in ram
[4:33] <blockh34d> trying to view source but i'm using luakit
[4:34] <blockh34d> i dont even know if it can.. can you post the pages source to a codepad pastbin hatever?
[4:34] <blockh34d> i am pretty good with nunchuks and javascript
[4:34] <dagerik> i posted github repo
[4:35] <blockh34d> yah but thats not the same as the source of the webpage thats actually pushing the images
[4:35] <blockh34d> i'm trying to see if it gif server push or an img with a continuously updated src property
[4:35] <blockh34d> and i'm too lazy to disect the github repo enough to tel
[4:35] <dagerik> https://github.com/dvikan/rpi-webcam-image-server/blob/master/web/app.js
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[4:36] <Poison[BLX]> dagerik: run 'mount' by itself in a terminal, if /tmp is listed as tmpfs, it's in /tmp. If it's not already there, you can add it to fstab to get it there in the future.
[4:37] <dagerik> i see it . /tmp
[4:37] <Poison[BLX]> er, s#in /tmp#in ram#
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[4:38] <Poison[BLX]> oddly enough, neither of my pi's have tmp in tmpfs. If I did frequent writes to /tmp, I'd be bothered by that :P
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[4:41] <blockh34d> yah you should probably shut that down until you get it writing to ramdrive dagerik
[4:42] <dagerik> why
[4:42] <blockh34d> sd card has limited number of writes, not normally an issue but at one fps it wont take long
[4:42] <blockh34d> also sd card has no way to detect or report errors
[4:42] <blockh34d> so when this happens you wont know until stuff stops working
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[4:43] <dagerik> ah o
[4:43] <blockh34d> you might want to consider moving your root file system? i havent done this but it is apparently not hard
[4:43] <blockh34d> then you can mostly run your pi off a proper hd
[4:43] <dagerik> move it where?
[4:43] <blockh34d> some other drive, like a usb harddrive etc
[4:44] <blockh34d> not thumbdrive, no point its just as a slow
[4:44] <blockh34d> but real HD or SSD run though usb
[4:44] <dagerik> wat
[4:44] <dagerik> how does that work
[4:44] <dagerik> what is that
[4:44] <blockh34d> you plug in a usb harddrive, 500 gb seagate for example
[4:44] <blockh34d> i guess you copy /root over? i dont know you should google it
[4:44] <dagerik> oh external harddive via usb
[4:45] <blockh34d> then after you get it setup i guess the rpi will use the sdcard pretty much only when it boots up
[4:45] <blockh34d> so it should last pretty much forever like that
[4:45] <blockh34d> i'd help you with your javscript but i really dont want to dig around on github to do it
[4:45] <blockh34d> i'm on rpi and the webbrowsing is horrible
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[4:47] <dagerik> blockh34d: here is the js: http://bpaste.net/show/196142/
[4:47] <blockh34d> perfect thanks
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[4:48] <blockh34d> k see where line 14?
[4:48] <blockh34d> that sets how often the image updates
[4:48] <blockh34d> 1000 = once per second
[4:48] <blockh34d> theres only so low you could set that before it will fail to keep up
[4:48] <blockh34d> but the lower that number, the faster the image will update
[4:49] <blockh34d> oh yah and line 8, same thing
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[5:41] <thordon> Hi guys, is it weird that I have no /etc/init.d/networking script after I installed resolvconf?
[5:41] <thordon> On Raspian
[5:43] <Poison[BLX]> blockh34d: hey, you were having performance issues with many-element gl scenes?
[5:43] <blockh34d> yes
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[5:43] <blockh34d> it keeps me up at night
[5:44] <blockh34d> like if i could just get a reasonable number of polygons flying around, i could get a nice particle system going
[5:44] <Poison[BLX]> blockh34d: random idea sparked by trying to remember what something was in my config.txt, dispmanx_offline=1, you can find a brief description of it in the wayland raspi docs
[5:44] <blockh34d> or many more bullets at once etc
[5:44] <blockh34d> oh i'll have to check that out
[5:44] <blockh34d> you think dispmanx could be negatively influencing opengl performance?
[5:45] <Poison[BLX]> dispmanx is the only reason you *have* gl performance.
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[5:45] <blockh34d> ? i don't know what it is or what it does
[5:45] <Poison[BLX]> that tweak makes it fall back to an offline buffer to render into before going to display with it
[5:45] <blockh34d> i could google but maybe you could give me the 10 word or less version?
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[5:46] <blockh34d> well thats very interesting
[5:46] <blockh34d> thanks a lot for thinking of me and my problem!
[5:46] <blockh34d> very nice of you
[5:46] <Poison[BLX]> dispmanx is the layer between the videocore blob and everything else. :)
[5:46] <blockh34d> so i'll try setting it to whatever it currently is not
[5:47] <Poison[BLX]> it's likely not there and set at all, add with =1, reboot, test again.
[5:47] <blockh34d> i can never tell what something_offline=True is supposed to mean
[5:47] <blockh34d> its on? its off?
[5:47] <Poison[BLX]> I can't guarantee anything,
[5:47] <blockh34d> ok i'll give it a shot after this episode of bobs burgers
[5:47] <Poison[BLX]> 'offline' refers to an offline buffer, rather than the live display buffer, I believe.
[5:47] <blockh34d> hmm
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[5:48] <Poison[BLX]> anyhow, back to trying to make this touchscreen behave in wayland/weston ;) (danged crappy swapped x/y axes!)
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[5:49] <blockh34d> i keep thinking about trying out touchscreen display with rpi
[5:49] <blockh34d> i'd love to make a sketchpad sort of device
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[5:53] <blockh34d> k gonna try that out, see if any affect
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[6:02] <blockh34d> Poison[BLX]: does not appear to have hcanged anything
[6:02] <blockh34d> should i try =0 you think?
[6:03] <blockh34d> i think its something about the opengl structure on a rpi
[6:03] <blockh34d> not that i'd know but i've heard its kind of unique
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[6:07] <blockh34d> any opengl programmers here care to weigh in on operation maximum snowflake's code structure?
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[6:08] <blockh34d> i'm going to make a little version up in python and see if that gets us started
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[6:23] <evil_dan2wik> 1 of the fans in my computer keeps turning on and off
[6:23] <evil_dan2wik> as if it has a loose connection.
[6:24] <blockh34d> probably the ?bushing? is wearing out
[6:24] <blockh34d> i think bushing is what you call it
[6:24] <blockh34d> its dying
[6:25] <blockh34d> take care you don't let your comp overheat because the fan stopped
[6:25] <evil_dan2wik> The fan doesn't actually stop though, it just revs up and down randomly
[6:25] <blockh34d> and it never acted like this before i take it?
[6:25] <evil_dan2wik> it spins freely like the others but it is like it is loosing power.
[6:26] <evil_dan2wik> no, I left for 2 hours and I come back and my computer's front panel is orange
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[6:26] <blockh34d> iirc, a bushing is a little piece of graphite on a spring
[6:26] <evil_dan2wik> orange meaning 60-70 C
[6:26] <blockh34d> and as a motor spins, thats what keeps the eletrical connection going
[6:26] <evil_dan2wik> bushing? you mean brushes?
[6:26] <blockh34d> do i?
[6:27] <blockh34d> i think yes i do
[6:27] <evil_dan2wik> And you know that computer fans are brushless.
[6:27] <blockh34d> a bushing is a dang skateboard part wtf am i saying
[6:27] <evil_dan2wik> yeah.
[6:27] <blockh34d> lol
[6:27] <Nexuist> lmfao
[6:27] <blockh34d> is it brush though?
[6:27] <evil_dan2wik> The fan also has bushings too. as well as bearings.
[6:27] <evil_dan2wik> But it is brushless
[6:27] <blockh34d> whats that thing they give you some extras of with any power tool like circular saw?
[6:28] <evil_dan2wik> Brushes
[6:28] <evil_dan2wik> Most high power DC motors have brushes
[6:28] <blockh34d> huh, coulda swore they called it something different but obviously i have no idea
[6:28] <blockh34d> AC motors is what i'm talking about though
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[6:28] <blockh34d> brushes is it i'm sure
[6:28] <blockh34d> i just can not remember vocab of really any sort
[6:29] <evil_dan2wik> I have seen AC brushes in around half the motors
[6:29] <blockh34d> also horrible with names
[6:29] <blockh34d> well then i dunno what would wear out in a cpu fan
[6:29] <blockh34d> bearing maybe?
[6:30] <blockh34d> does it have bearings?
[6:30] <evil_dan2wik> It has 1 bearing and 1 bushing
[6:30] <blockh34d> so there is bushings in the mix! lol i knew it
[6:31] <blockh34d> but i doubt its the problem right
[6:31] <evil_dan2wik> bushings are like bearings as they let things move with low friction and wear
[6:31] <blockh34d> unless it maybe melted or deterioated i guess
[6:31] <evil_dan2wik> But it spins freely
[6:31] <blockh34d> maybe some funk got in there?
[6:31] <blockh34d> pet fur or something
[6:31] <evil_dan2wik> no.
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[6:32] <blockh34d> yah thats pretty funky better figure that out
[6:32] <blockh34d> cpu fan going south is liek the little problem letting in the catastrophe
[6:32] <evil_dan2wik> The fan is clean, full solid state electronics.
[6:32] <evil_dan2wik> Not CPU fan, but still pretty important.
[6:32] <blockh34d> oh ok well thats good anyways
[6:32] <blockh34d> do you have something like speedfan?
[6:33] <evil_dan2wik> no.
[6:33] <blockh34d> its pretty handy if i have the name right
[6:33] <blockh34d> shows you all your cpu's known temp and fan speeds, and lets you set the fans etc
[6:33] <evil_dan2wik> The fan speed is set to full in the BIOS and directly powering it shows no change
[6:33] <blockh34d> speedfan seems to have a lot of verbose debug info too
[6:33] <blockh34d> might be worth a look
[6:33] <evil_dan2wik> so it is the fan, not software.
[6:34] <blockh34d> guess its time for a new fan
[6:34] <evil_dan2wik> I recall speed fan causing a bluescreen on this computer
[6:34] <blockh34d> turn the old one into a quadrocopter
[6:34] <blockh34d> ouch thats no fun
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[6:35] <blockh34d> keep thinking about making my shooter game be about OS vs OS battles
[6:35] <blockh34d> if so, windows special attack = BSOD
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[6:35] <evil_dan2wik> so anyway, the rating on this fan is 24VDC, 0.75A...
[6:35] <evil_dan2wik> My computer only supplies 12vdc
[6:35] <blockh34d> oh what happens if you swap its power lead?
[6:35] <blockh34d> liek with another fan
[6:36] <blockh34d> does the problem move or no? i think i'd check that out
[6:36] <evil_dan2wik> The other fan is acting the same as it was.
[6:36] <blockh34d> so the problem moved?
[6:36] <blockh34d> or you're saying the other fan is fine why mess with it?
[6:36] <evil_dan2wik> no, the other fan is fine.
[6:36] <blockh34d> right
[6:37] <evil_dan2wik> The meaning that the supply channel on the mobo for both fans are fine.
[6:37] <blockh34d> so if you do that and suddenly its not fine but the first one is now, you can know th eproblem is probably power supply
[6:37] <evil_dan2wik> No, the first fan is still behaving erratically but the 2nd one was fine on the same channel.
[6:38] <blockh34d> ok
[6:38] <evil_dan2wik> so the power supply is fine
[6:38] <blockh34d> really sounds like its time for a new fan
[6:38] <evil_dan2wik> the fan is the problem
[6:38] <blockh34d> you could give it a viking funeral
[6:38] <evil_dan2wik> But what I don't get is why these fans are 24VDC
[6:38] <blockh34d> oh n/m, plastic, thats gross
[6:38] <blockh34d> maybe special high speed fans?
[6:39] <evil_dan2wik> They came with my "Low noise" case
[6:39] <blockh34d> higher voltage would increase speed ya?
[6:39] <evil_dan2wik> yes.
[6:39] <blockh34d> does it seem to have any extra hookups?
[6:39] <blockh34d> mystery plug etc?
[6:39] <evil_dan2wik> But the specs on the datasheet for the fan are 18VDC-28VDC and it is being supplied with 12VDC
[6:40] <evil_dan2wik> The multimeter shows 12.4VDC
[6:40] <blockh34d> mabye it takes two hookups?
[6:40] <blockh34d> seems kinda weird
[6:40] <evil_dan2wik> no.
[6:40] <blockh34d> like one off the mobo one off the powersupply
[6:40] <evil_dan2wik> Most power supplies (Like mine) use a common ground rail.
[6:40] <blockh34d> so it wouldnt matter?
[6:41] <evil_dan2wik> yes, it wouldn't matter.
[6:41] <blockh34d> i don't fully understand why but i'll take your word on it
[6:41] <blockh34d> electron flow is still kind of amystery for me
[6:41] <evil_dan2wik> It would short out if you tried to use 2 12v rails to make 24v
[6:42] <blockh34d> oh ok
[6:42] <blockh34d> right
[6:42] <evil_dan2wik> just powered it up with 24v and it almost took my finger, It sliced part of my nail and the side of my finger.
[6:42] <blockh34d> maybe thats what makes the fan low noise?
[6:42] <blockh34d> holy hell
[6:43] <blockh34d> careful man
[6:43] <blockh34d> if you put alchohol on it quick enough it wont h urt
[6:43] <blockh34d> like right now
[6:43] <evil_dan2wik> Don't have alchohol, 16.
[6:43] <evil_dan2wik> anyway, bandaids
[6:43] <blockh34d> and then firm pressure for a while to stop the bleeding, and super glue if necessary to stick it closed
[6:43] <blockh34d> superglue also good
[6:44] <blockh34d> you can get rubbing alchohol and i would recommend it in the future, always have some around
[6:44] <evil_dan2wik> This thing is a jet engine. It vibrated the whole case.
[6:44] <blockh34d> i bet thats what makes it 'low noise'
[6:44] <blockh34d> they bought nice fans and use them barely
[6:44] <evil_dan2wik> yeah probably.
[6:45] <blockh34d> doesnt explain the behavior tho
[6:46] <blockh34d> sinc eyouve run it at full speed long enough to mince up your fingers, maybe it will be different now?
[6:46] <evil_dan2wik> It is performing fine at 24VDC
[6:47] <evil_dan2wik> Still not working on 12vdc
[6:47] <blockh34d> cool. I think my favorite thing about the rpi is no fan
[6:47] <blockh34d> i grew up in the cpu windtunnel
[6:47] <blockh34d> kind of tired of it
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[6:48] <evil_dan2wik> The performance you can get out of the RPi with that ammount of power consumption and size is amazing.
[6:48] <blockh34d> ""
[6:48] <blockh34d> it really is
[6:49] <blockh34d> that i can get 55fps out of my little game engine at 1080p is pretty amazing
[6:49] <evil_dan2wik> and the price is a bonus too.
[6:49] <blockh34d> biggest bonus for me is 'made in uk'
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[6:49] <evil_dan2wik> heh
[6:49] <blockh34d> i udnerstand theres some made in china? thats too bad
[6:49] <blockh34d> nothing against the chinese i just hate slave labor
[6:49] <blockh34d> like the idea of it
[6:50] <evil_dan2wik> not really slaves is it, just slightly below minimum wage labour.
[6:50] <blockh34d> just makes me sick
[6:50] <blockh34d> imagine if you spent all day every day on the factory floor
[6:50] <evil_dan2wik> yeah?
[6:50] <blockh34d> building toys you cant afford for people you hate
[6:50] <blockh34d> surrounded by total strangers you live with
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[6:50] <blockh34d> but have never learned the names of
[6:51] <blockh34d> theres suicide nets all around the foxconn campuses
[6:51] <blockh34d> becasue thats how they 'bargain'
[6:51] <blockh34d> they're the same age as you
[6:51] <blockh34d> thats the childhood they get
[6:51] <evil_dan2wik> They are born and raised into the slave lifestyle where they learn that being payed is a bonus.
[6:51] <evil_dan2wik> it is sad but I try to not think about it.
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[6:51] <blockh34d> i can't escape it
[6:52] <blockh34d> but not for the obvious reasons, the moral reasons
[6:52] <blockh34d> even worse than the slave labor is waht it means for our local economy and jobs
[6:52] <blockh34d> and what that means for the long term future of the country
[6:52] <blockh34d> cheap iphones will not keep the country strong
[6:52] <blockh34d> whatever the country is btw, for me its america
[6:53] <blockh34d> it hardly matters any more they all do the same stuff
[6:53] <blockh34d> jobs and a future keep us strong
[6:53] <blockh34d> we have got to get this problem sorted out, it is top priority imo
[6:54] <blockh34d> just know that when you get old enough to properly hold this situation against my generation... some of us fought it all the way
[6:54] <blockh34d> and even still
[6:54] <evil_dan2wik> well, people are assholes and that probably won't change soon.
[6:55] <blockh34d> careful i think theres a channel rul about language
[6:55] <blockh34d> but yes thats kind of true
[6:55] <blockh34d> but i make you a challenge
[6:55] <blockh34d> watch individual people vs people as a group
[6:55] <blockh34d> and i think you'll find that as individuals, people are pretty awesome
[6:55] <blockh34d> not always but an overwhelming amount of the time
[6:56] <blockh34d> and of course the exact opposite is true of groups of people
[6:57] <blockh34d> i think its because groups of people are easily manipulated by basically bad people
[6:57] <blockh34d> and they use this process to create more power for themselves
[6:57] <evil_dan2wik> yeah
[6:57] <blockh34d> its why i advocate absolute individuality and basically doing whatever you want that isnt hurting anyone
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[7:00] <evil_dan2wik> Anyway, the fan is working now. I re-soldered the IC onto the board
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[7:01] <blockh34d> great
[7:01] <blockh34d> hows your finger?
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[7:04] <evil_dan2wik> Throbbing a little but not sore
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[7:04] <blockh34d> what time is it where you are
[7:05] <blockh34d> my dad told me something one halloween while we were carving up the pumpkin
[7:05] <evil_dan2wik> 3PM
[7:05] <blockh34d> said 'never forget... that knife does not get tired'
[7:06] <blockh34d> to you i say... your fan does not get tired ;)
[7:06] <evil_dan2wik> well, it can.
[7:06] <blockh34d> it is ready and willing to finish the job on those fingers
[7:06] <evil_dan2wik> not on 12VDC
[7:06] <blockh34d> so i think you should try anythng that might cut your fingers off freshly rested
[7:07] <blockh34d> especially now that you're already injured
[7:09] <evil_dan2wik> there is an executable in raspbian called test in /usr/bin, what does it do?
[7:10] <blockh34d> pretty good question
[7:10] <blockh34d> 30k worht of no output
[7:10] <blockh34d> no --help or anything like that
[7:10] <blockh34d> thats a fairly mysterious program there
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[7:11] <blockh34d> oh, open in nano and scroll a few pages down
[7:12] <blockh34d> apparently there is a --help screen but it doesnt come up when you use --help for some reason
[7:12] <blockh34d> it tests a condition
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[7:29] <jbu> hi all - can someone tell me if there is any firewall set on the pi by default? I've checked /etc/network/iptables, and it is blank.
[7:30] <dagerik> jbu: on arch iptables -L -n -v shows nothing
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[7:31] <jbu> dagerik: same here...if nothing is under my INPUT/ACCEPT area, does that mean I cannot accept connections from outside my subnet domain?
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[7:32] <jbu> dagerik: basically what i'm asking is if I have to opt-in, or if there are no rules by default
[7:32] <jbu> dagerik: I'm just trying to set up an http server
[7:32] <blockh34d> jbu if you try it out i will test your server ip for response if you want
[7:32] <jbu> which I can access on my network, but not via my public ip (which supposed to have port forwarding already set up)
[7:33] <jbu> blockh34d, I can already tell the public ip doesn't work yet
[7:33] <blockh34d> makes it seem like you need to opt in then
[7:33] <blockh34d> btw i think they call that whitelist/blacklist
[7:33] <blockh34d> whitelist = opt in
[7:34] <blockh34d> but i'm really the last one to keep any of that straight
[7:34] <jbu> weird...I don't remember having to do this on my other linux boxes
[7:34] <jbu> ok I'll give it a try
[7:34] <jbu> thanks
[7:34] <blockh34d> maybe an added security feature for rpis? sounds liek apretty good idea to me
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[7:35] <blockh34d> gl
[7:36] <jbu> hmm well I did not explicitly install iptables, I don't think
[7:37] <jbu> maybe this file is not even being used at the moment and my port forwarding is not set up properly
[7:38] <blockh34d> sounds like you have better knowledge on the subject than me, but my hunch would be taht since the file is there, it is used in some wya
[7:39] <blockh34d> why would it be there otherwise?
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[7:43] <jbu> blockh34d: i am an idiot...whenever you do a vim <filename> it'll always open up a blank file even if the physical file doesn't exist
[7:43] <jbu> ok, so I think I do not have a firewall set up at the moment
[7:43] <jbu> I have no idea why my port forwarding isn't working, but it's a comcast router and comcast software, so I have little faith in it
[7:43] <blockh34d> ah
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[7:44] <blockh34d> i dont use vim much but i keep meaning to, i hear its a great code editor. didn't know it automatically touches any given filename though, thats troubling
[7:44] <blockh34d> yah i hear nothing but bad things about comcast
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[7:45] <blockh34d> btw you know that if you try to navigate to your own ip from your ip... i think thats a problem sometimes
[7:45] <blockh34d> i dont know that it would come up 404 but it might not appear correctly
[7:45] <evil_dan2wik> jbu, have you hosted a http server on your internet before?
[7:45] <jbu> evil_dan2wik: on this isp? no
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[7:45] <jbu> evil_dan2wik: just moved here
[7:46] <jbu> blockh34d: "own ip from your ip." what do you mean?
[7:46] <evil_dan2wik> My ISP has HTTP port, mail server and a few ports associated with common viruses blocked.
[7:46] <blockh34d> jbu like if you go to your internet IP from your home computer, i dont think it can always figure out that route
[7:47] <blockh34d> sinc eyou would normally use your lan IP to get at a lan computer
[7:47] <evil_dan2wik> Mine routes to my router home page using my external IP
[7:47] <blockh34d> but i'm really not sure, i think it kind of varies
[7:47] <blockh34d> on isp, router, the weather, i'm not sure
[7:47] <jbu> evil_dan2wik: I'm actually running from port 8080, I doubt comcast is looking inside my tcp packets (maybe?)
[7:47] <blockh34d> i'm looking ot see if they block that port
[7:47] <jbu> blockh34d: yeah, I've set up port forwarding though
[7:47] <blockh34d> maybe you could try a weird port?
[7:48] <jbu> blockh34d: already using 8080
[7:48] <evil_dan2wik> Port forwarding doesn't bypass an ISP block
[7:48] <blockh34d> yah thats not really weird enough
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[7:48] <evil_dan2wik> 8080 is proxy isn't it?
[7:48] <evil_dan2wik> try 8395
[7:48] <blockh34d> comcast blocks some ports but allegedly thats not one of them
[7:49] <jbu> I think it would be naive for comcast to block standard ports, because anybody can just change their default port
[7:49] <blockh34d> 25, 68,135-139, 161,162, 445, 520, 1080
[7:49] <blockh34d> blocked ports
[7:50] <jbu> ok, one of you jokers just connected to my server
[7:50] <evil_dan2wik> huh?
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[7:50] <blockh34d> not me
[7:51] <jbu> someone on here (in the channel) just attempted to connect
[7:51] <blockh34d> i'm seeing some evidence that comcast residential blocks port 80
[7:51] <evil_dan2wik> jbu, I attempted to connect, it responded 400: Bad Request
[7:51] <jbu> evil_dan2wik: cool, i wonder why i can't use my public ip
[7:52] <jbu> evil_dan2wik: you didn't specify the right query string :)
[7:52] <evil_dan2wik> are you connecting to your external IP from your internal network?
[7:52] <jbu> evil_dan2wik: yes
[7:52] <ShorTie> that is a known fact blockh34d
[7:52] <evil_dan2wik> Ok
[7:52] <evil_dan2wik> Well mine goes to my router home page no matter what I have it set on.
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[7:52] <blockh34d> ShorTie: ah ok trying to figure why jbu is having problesm setting up server
[7:53] <jbu> well it looks like you guys can see it, which is a good sign
[7:53] <jbu> just weird that I can't
[7:53] <blockh34d> yah thats what i was trying to describe earlier jbu
[7:53] <blockh34d> it doesnt seem liek thats always how it works out but i guess it is here
[7:53] <evil_dan2wik> jbu, got a phone with a hotspot or try a proxy for connection?
[7:53] <jbu> Oh, I kinda see what you mean
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[7:54] <jbu> evil_dan2wik: yeah I can try
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[7:57] <jbu> evil_dan2wik: uhh my 4g connection isn't able to reach this server
[7:58] * jbu scratches head
[7:58] <evil_dan2wik> try a proxy
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[7:58] <jbu> i'm using my ip found at "whatsmyip.com" as well as the ip displayed on my username in this channel
[7:58] <jbu> they are the same
[7:58] <evil_dan2wik> Are you using the :8080?
[7:59] <jbu> evil_dan2wik: oops, not on my phone. that worked! thanks
[7:59] <blockh34d> 400: Bad Request
[7:59] <blockh34d> looks like its working
[7:59] <evil_dan2wik> k
[7:59] <jbu> blockh34d: yup, thanks for your help
[8:00] <blockh34d> i doubt you will ever get it working on port 80
[8:00] <evil_dan2wik> jbu, good luck on your project.
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[8:00] <blockh34d> np i feel like i mostly complicated the problem but if it helped, great
[8:00] <jbu> evil_dan2wik: it's done, actually, unless i want to add images...which I don't. all it is a stats comparer for league of legends games
[8:01] <evil_dan2wik> I don't play LoL so I don't know what it is but it sounds useful
[8:01] <blockh34d> does ath.cx still provide dyndns services?
[8:01] <blockh34d> i used to like them for having a kind of rememberable address to use
[8:01] <blockh34d> better than an ip anyways, for passing along
[8:04] <jbu> thanks all, goodnight
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[8:12] <blockh34d> anyojne know if thers any plans to make 2.5" lcds (or near that) in HD?
[8:13] <blockh34d> would love at least a 640x480 resolution
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[8:20] <Gerendon> Noob trying to fork repository, help would be forever indebted to - thanks.
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[8:22] <blockh34d> might need to await a while, i really dont know anything about any of that
[8:22] <blockh34d> but i'm certain the next person to wake up here will
[8:22] <Gerendon> :(
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[8:22] <blockh34d> yah im such a slacker... i dont really go open source with my projects a whole lot or fork other peoples
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[8:22] <blockh34d> i really should, its a mark of character
[8:23] <Gerendon> I'm cloning a github repository but I am really lost how to run it on my raspberry pi
[8:23] <Gerendon> Instructions are lacking and I have a poor background in python
[8:23] <blockh34d> oh well maybe you're in luck
[8:23] <blockh34d> i do lots of python
[8:24] <blockh34d> maybe you could describe more the project you're trying to use and how far you've gotten so far
[8:26] <ShorTie> rPi's are not known for there hosting abilities, bandwidth is to limited for much net activity
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[8:27] <evil_dan2wik> I have hosted a status server for 87 computers on an RPi. Every computer would send data to the Pi every 30 seconds
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[8:29] <ShorTie> i would assume that is not very much data
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[8:30] <evil_dan2wik> It was CPU temperature, CPU load, Ram usage, Hard disk usage, IO usage and Network usage
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[8:35] <ShorTie> what cha need all that stuff for every 30 seconds ??
[8:35] <evil_dan2wik> We were doing load testing for the school to see if we needed hardware upgrades.
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[8:38] <blockh34d> should load test it by mining some bitcoin
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[8:40] <evil_dan2wik> no, not load test as in stress test, load test as in measure the load off the computers when people are using them over 1 weej
[8:40] <evil_dan2wik> week*
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[8:46] <ShorTie> ok, that makes some sense
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[9:16] <sireorion> hey all...back again... still trying to boot the rpi but its only lights RED
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[9:18] <ShorTie> and how are you preparing your sdcard ??
[9:18] <sireorion> i used Win32DiskImager
[9:19] <sireorion> with admin right
[9:19] <kivutar> which distribution?
[9:19] <sireorion> using win 8.1
[9:19] <sireorion> openelex
[9:19] <sireorion> elec
[9:20] <kivutar> do you have the link where you downloaded the image?
[9:20] <sireorion> w8
[9:21] <sireorion> http://downloads.raspberrypi.org/raspbmc_latest
[9:21] <evil_dan2wik> sireorion, has it booted before?
[9:21] <sireorion> http://downloads.raspberrypi.org/openelec_latest
[9:21] <sireorion> no its the first time
[9:21] <kivutar> (raspbmc is not openelec though)
[9:21] <sireorion> i took the wrong link
[9:21] <kivutar> ok, the image must be ok
[9:22] <kivutar> you can try with another sdcard maybe
[9:22] <evil_dan2wik> Test the SD card with NOOBS first.
[9:22] <sireorion> using a SanDisk Extreme SDHC 8GB
[9:23] <evil_dan2wik> sireorion, install NOOBS onto the SD card just to test the card first.
[9:23] <sireorion> okey... w8 5 min
[9:24] <sireorion> i have noobs lite
[9:24] <sireorion> can i use that one?
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[9:25] <sireorion> should i cross the MD5 hash box?
[9:26] <evil_dan2wik> no
[9:26] <sireorion> still constant red light
[9:26] <evil_dan2wik> Use noobs lite, It just needs to boot. Don't MD5 hash, that takes forever
[9:27] <evil_dan2wik> wait...
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[9:28] <sireorion> what filesystem should the SD be at? fat fat32 ntfs?
[9:28] <evil_dan2wik> fat32
[9:28] <evil_dan2wik> Just unzip the noobs install into it.
[9:28] <sireorion> ok
[9:28] <evil_dan2wik> You shouldn't need to use the disk imager for noobs.
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[9:31] <sireorion> HAHAHAHAHAHA
[9:31] <evil_dan2wik> booted?
[9:31] <sireorion> im so F*cking stupid..... Plz kill me
[9:31] <evil_dan2wik> ok
[9:31] <ShorTie> no, pleaze read topic
[9:31] <kivutar> what was it?
[9:32] <sireorion> it was a small piece of plastic in the sd slot
[9:32] <evil_dan2wik> where do you live, I will be there in up to 6 hours
[9:32] <sireorion> Sweden
[9:32] <evil_dan2wik> need your exact address.
[9:32] <kivutar> sireorion, this one, everybody had it ;)
[9:32] <sireorion> Karlstad
[9:33] <ShorTie> riverside, 123 jump st.
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[9:33] <evil_dan2wik> Is it just me or is http://www.raspberrypi.org/downloads turned neon?
[9:34] <sireorion> brb 10 mins breakfast
[9:34] <kivutar> april fool
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[9:41] <sireorion> can i run XBMC on NOOBS?
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[9:42] <kivutar> sireorion, yes
[9:43] <kivutar> noobs can install raspbmc or openelec
[9:43] <ShorTie> noobs is ok if you want to jump around between different os's, other wize just write an image to the card
[9:44] <ShorTie> noobs can add a layer of confusion and problems
[9:44] <sireorion> what do i choose now :SA
[9:44] <sireorion> -a
[9:44] <sireorion> i see a list with alot of distros
[9:45] <sireorion> what distro is the best and esyest to install and run XBMC?
[9:46] <kivutar> openelec is the best for xbmc
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[10:04] <sireorion> one more question... can i use an Bluetooth keyboard? it seems that openelec dont find the dongle
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[10:12] <kivutar> some bluetooth keyboards are supported, some others don't
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[10:14] <RaTTuS|BIG> nice new website
[10:15] <blockh34d> sireorion: fyi you don't relaly run noobs, its not an OS
[10:15] <blockh34d> NOOBS is more like an easy way to make a fresh-install-cd, if this were a windows machine
[10:15] <blockh34d> it makes the sd card for you with several operating systems
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[10:16] <blockh34d> and can later restore the operating systems for you back to original, if you have a problem and need to do that
[10:17] <blockh34d> but you'd be running XBMC on OpenElec (I guess, i don't use xbmc much yet)
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[10:21] <blockh34d> btw if all you're trying to do is play some media, i have a GUI i made for omxplayer you might like... its named 'Scamp' in the app store
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[10:23] <blockh34d> btw its free, i wouldnt want someoen to think i'm sitting here advertising my for-profit app or something
[10:23] <blockh34d> well gnite chan
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[11:03] <mitrax> hi there, i'm making an init.d script for raspbian to load the i²c driver during startup (through wiringPi's gpio utility), though i'm not sure what to put in the required-start dependencies, obviously i'm missing something because it fails to load at startup (but does load fine from bash later on), right now i only have $local_fs $network, any idea?
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[11:20] <sireorion> I love rpi... it use anynet+
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[11:26] <gordonDrogon> mitrax, you might be easier just editing it into /etc/modules
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[11:27] <mike_t> mitrax, or /etc/modprobe.d/raspi-blacklist.conf
[11:28] <mike_t> oh, yes, i2c-dev must be in /etc/modules
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[11:37] <mortal> does someone run netbsd on raspi?
[11:37] <mortal> and is there some kind of list about possible uses of the device
[11:37] <gordonDrogon> the gpio command will load the i2c modules (& spi) - the purpose of that was really to set their permissions/ownership to that of the calling user so you could then use I2C/SPI without being root.
[11:38] <gordonDrogon> mortal, you'll be one of only a very small number of bsd Pi users... I'm sure they have a club/forum/website somewhere...
[11:39] <mortal> okies
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[12:06] <fullcontact> is there a ftp uploader or something? i want auto upload images taken from webcam to a ftp server
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[12:09] <mike_t> fullcontact, curl
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[12:10] <fullcontact> mike_t, thx i try it
[12:11] <gordonDrogon> or ncftp
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[12:26] <kblin> hi folks
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[12:29] <[SLB]> Sashmo, i just got back, so were other cams bad or was it a software issue?
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[12:48] <rymate1234> guys
[12:48] <rymate1234> the new website theme is pretty cool
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[12:51] <SpeedEvil> I do wonder if/when a new version will ship. http://linuxgizmos.com/intel-unveils-tiny-x86-minnowboard-max-open-sbc/
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[13:02] <gordonDrogon> new version of what?
[13:03] <SpeedEvil> pi
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[13:03] <mitrax> gordon/mike_t: thanks a lot :)
[13:05] <gordonDrogon> SpeedEvil, oh - who knows. you know the official line..
[13:05] <SpeedEvil> yeah
[13:06] <gordonDrogon> My suspicion is that with the new curruculim in september there won't be any major changes (if any) until well after then...
[13:06] <gordonDrogon> other little SBC's do look quite neat though.
[13:06] -kloeri- [Global Notice] For purely non-profit reasons, all your nickserv accounts have been converted into freenode+ accounts; details at http://blog.freenode.net/2014/04/googleplusfreenode/. Thank you for using freenode.
[13:07] <gordonDrogon> and that intel one does have a very Pi-Like GPIO port...
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[13:08] <gordonDrogon> bit expensive though.
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[13:12] <SpeedEvil> $99 is a lot better than it was
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[13:23] <ParkerR> Holy smokes, what's up with the site redesign?
[13:23] <Splat1> 1st April
[13:23] <ParkerR> Splat1, ogod
[13:24] <ParkerR> Splat1, I was honestly thinking they switched for good to a stylesheet that offends many eyes
[13:25] <ParkerR> Very Christmasy lol
[13:25] <Splat1> I did have to read the announcement twice before my second cup of coffee to confirm it was a joke :P
[13:27] <gordonDrogon> ParkerR, offends? Hey - welcome to the 90's! All websites were like that!
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[13:28] <ParkerR> gordonDrogon, ogod geocities
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[13:29] <SpeedEvil> I should note that I prefer the design to some websites.
[13:29] <SpeedEvil> It should however be Courier.
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[13:36] <gordonDrogon> I do prefer Helvetica.
[13:36] <gordonDrogon> a font so good they made a movie out of it.
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[13:52] <Vector> Heya guys, I had a little experiment and tried out xmbc the other day on my rev2 board. Tried playing a 720p video from a network share, but it was very sluggish and unwatchable. Had installed xmbc on a usb etc to speed it up.
[13:52] <Vector> Have I missed something?
[13:52] <Vector> I was under the impression that it could handle something like, maybe I was mistaken
[13:54] <steve_rox> heh the rpi website looks cool :-D
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[14:00] <steve_rox> i only wish the rpi website would look like that more often , saves my eyes some hurt
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[14:23] <kblin> stupid hercules webcam...
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[15:46] <blockh34d-zZz> vector still here?
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[15:46] <Vector> Yep! :-)
[15:46] <blockh34d> hi i've had this same problem
[15:46] <Vector> Did you manage to solve it?
[15:46] <blockh34d> you're trying to play a movie from another computer, through wifi yes?
[15:46] <blockh34d> well i don't htink you'll like how
[15:46] <blockh34d> i had to eventually plug in a wire
[15:47] <Vector> I actually used a wire :-/
[15:47] <blockh34d> so now my rpi is plugged via enternet cable to a windoze machine with lot of video shares
[15:47] <blockh34d> well heres what i think happens
[15:47] <blockh34d> samba handles the share, like you'd figure... but as its getting the data, it writes it to your sdcard, just afor a moment, like a buffer
[15:47] <blockh34d> and since sdcard write speed is soooooo slowwwww... it kills your frame rate
[15:48] <Vector> aw what :(
[15:48] <blockh34d> i addedd some stuff to my samba config
[15:48] <blockh34d> i think it helps a little but no matter what, over wifi i always had trouble with 1080p video
[15:48] <blockh34d> but as soon as i plugged in a proper cable, never one single problem since
[15:48] <blockh34d> what is installed on your rpi now, raspbian?
[15:48] <Vector> Interesting.. what options did you change in the samba config?
[15:49] <blockh34d> sec i'll dig em up
[15:49] <Vector> At the time I was just running the xmbc.. dist(?)
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[15:49] <blockh34d> i havent acutally used xbmc, it always looks so nice it seems like overkill
[15:49] <blockh34d> i mostly just need vlc but it doesnt run very good
[15:50] <blockh34d> so i made my own little gui (tui) for omxplayer, seems to work really well for me
[15:50] <blockh34d> you can have a copy, its 'Scamp' in the pi store (free)
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[15:51] <blockh34d> socket options = TCP_NODELAY IPTOS_LOWDELAY SO_RCVBUF=65535 SO_SNDBUF=65535
[15:51] <Vector> It is a bit overkill, but I liked being able to browse videos with images and video info etc :)
[15:51] <blockh34d> sure yah my app doesnt do that at all
[15:51] <blockh34d> actually its all text mode, looks very 90s
[15:51] <blockh34d> but it used 0.3% cpu for the UI, and it can be used from putty/ssh remotely
[15:52] <blockh34d> those options go at the top of /etc/samba/smb.conf btw
[15:52] <Vector> Hah cool :)
[15:52] <Vector> I'll have a look at those options
[15:52] <blockh34d> they still didnt make wifi good enough for me but i think they helped
[15:52] <blockh34d> and with wired connection, never any problems
[15:52] <blockh34d> i playback 1080p video without hardly using 50% cpu
[15:53] <Vector> Neat, that's exactly what I want
[15:53] <blockh34d> i like the way i do it since i can watch video while using X or whatever, i can stay productive while watching some tv
[15:53] <Vector> if I can get this up and running I'm probably going to end up buying another Pi hah...
[15:53] <blockh34d> it puts the video in a little corner of the screen if you're not watching it fullscreen, like tv in tv
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[15:54] <blockh34d> oh yah you can never have too many
[15:54] <blockh34d> i have 3 and i will probably be getting some more soon
[15:54] <Vector> It'll be my third :)
[15:54] <blockh34d> i love em.. LOVE EM
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[15:54] <Vector> Have my webserver on one and using the second one for osdev
[15:54] <blockh34d> hey if you try Scamp out, mind doing me afavor and voting it up?
[15:54] <blockh34d> cool
[15:54] <Vector> If I get a chance to try it out sure thing
[15:54] <blockh34d> yah i do a lot of python coding on mine (i'm on it right now)
[15:55] <blockh34d> have you tried geany? imo its maybe the best bang for the buck on pi, veryminimal but still very functional. runs great
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[15:55] <blockh34d> its basically a fancy notepad but its really nice for python coding
[15:56] <blockh34d> well i just say your predicament and it sounded very familiar
[15:56] <blockh34d> so maybe those options help, or encourages you to go find a cable and use it for the media center pi at elast
[15:56] <Vector> I installed ubuntu on my laptop over the weekend, really been struggling to find a good editor with code completion for C: (
[15:56] <blockh34d> eclipse?
[15:56] <blockh34d> code blocks?
[15:56] <Vector> Using a cable is not an issue :-)
[15:56] <blockh34d> both eclipse and code blocks are very capable ide's
[15:56] <blockh34d> almsot too capable for me
[15:57] <Vector> I really dislike Eclipse, I think it's extremely unintuituve and confusing
[15:57] <blockh34d> and bloated right?
[15:57] <blockh34d> so bloated
[15:57] <Vector> Not to mention it looks pants :(
[15:57] <Vector> I'm planning to have a stab at Sublime with some code completion plugins
[15:57] <Vector> See how that works out
[15:57] <Vector> (it costs though)
[15:57] <kfunk> kdevelop, *cough*. (i'm affiliated)
[15:58] <blockh34d> whats kdevelop good for?
[15:58] <kfunk> or qtcreator, despite their connection to Qt/KDE they're both capable IDEs for C++/C
[15:58] <blockh34d> c coding or lighter weight suff?
[15:58] <blockh34d> for me the average c ide is kind of way too much
[15:59] <blockh34d> since i'm mostly just scripting, no real need to even compile anything
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[15:59] <blockh34d> i'll try out kdevelop, sounds cool and i like to try stuff
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[15:59] <kfunk> fair enough. but as soon as you import other headers and stuff like that, you need an IDE that aids you regarding code completion/navigation/etc.
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[16:00] <blockh34d> you know i never actually use code completion
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[16:00] <blockh34d> its a great idea but it always messes me up
[16:00] <blockh34d> probably doing it wrong
[16:00] <blockh34d> like in geany, if i type 'pass' (no op in python), geany wants to complete it like 'did you mean pass_?' and fills that in when i hit enter
[16:01] <blockh34d> which of course isnt what i wanted to do
[16:01] <kfunk> you can disable all of it in kdevelop (and probably in any other IDE) :)
[16:01] <blockh34d> seems like i'm always dancing around that crap
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[16:01] <blockh34d> yah i should but i keep thinking i should just get more used to it
[16:01] <blockh34d> save time, work smart, etc
[16:02] <blockh34d> oh sorry just remembered what chan i'm in
[16:02] <blockh34d> re language
[16:02] <Baikonur> can't for the life of me figure why my kernel is 3.10.25+ or how I can roll back to 3.10-3-rpi
[16:02] <blockh34d> people give me a lot of guff about keep it FF, i try but its really not my strong suit
[16:03] <blockh34d> hey any opengles coders here?
[16:03] <blockh34d> for rpi that is?
[16:03] <blockh34d> i have some stuff i'm trying to figure out, namely performance issues when pushing lots of triangles to the gpu (seems very slow)
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[16:08] <vitorcarvalhoml> hi, i'm trying to put Qt5_CinematicExperience to work well on raspi.. but I keep geting warnings from EGLFS..someone could help?
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[16:10] <blockh34d> havent tried that one
[16:11] <blockh34d> if its a media player maybe i have another option worth trying (though kind of primitive looking)... see if 'scamp' in pistore works out for you (free app)
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[16:12] <Baikonur> are there any other raspi channels besides this, like more limited in scope, specialized in some aspect and not all of raspi
[16:12] <blockh34d> i havent gotten qt5 working for rpi yet
[16:12] <blockh34d> the 'cross compile' thing doesnt sound like fun, is there maybe a precompiled binary of it available?
[16:14] <vitorcarvalhoml> yeah..the user Heater from raspi forum made a precompiled binary
[16:15] <blockh34d> i'll have to look into that
[16:15] <blockh34d> i'd really like to get meshlab working on pi
[16:15] <vitorcarvalhoml> the program runs, but not very well, the warning message is: EGLFS: To override, set QT_QPA_EGLFS_PHYSICAL_WIDTH and QT_QPA_EGLFS_PHYSICAL_HEIGHT (in millimeters)
[16:15] <blockh34d> the app runs fine except its qt glwindow which doesnt work at all
[16:15] <vitorcarvalhoml> but i don't know where set this flags
[16:16] <blockh34d> yah not a clue
[16:16] <blockh34d> somehow commandline maybe?
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[16:17] <vitorcarvalhoml> well, I put in .bashrc.. but nothing
[16:17] <blockh34d> or maybe you set/change these variables from commandline, seperately from actually running an app? seems pretty unlikely, flat config file would be my first thought
[16:18] <blockh34d> yah i dunno but if you figure it out say something in here eh i like to know stuff
[16:18] <blockh34d> its fun
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[16:19] <vitorcarvalhoml> ok ;) this is the pre compiled qt5.2 that I talk about https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/81267937/qt5.2-rpi.tgz
[16:19] <blockh34d> oh great thanks
[16:19] <blockh34d> is there install instructions included or a related forum post?
[16:20] <vitorcarvalhoml> the related forum post: http://www.raspberrypi.org/forum/viewtopic.php?f=66&t=70784&p=512365&hilit=qt5+compiled#p512365
[16:20] <blockh34d> well great thanks you did all the legwork for me! thats awesome i haven't had my coffee yet, big help
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[16:21] <vitorcarvalhoml> welcome blockh34d! ;D
[16:21] <blockh34d> this is great maybe i can get meshlab working now
[16:22] <blockh34d> ever tried it? seems like the perfect companion for octopi
[16:22] <blockh34d> woah yo ucan run qt apps outside of X now?
[16:22] <blockh34d> how does that work!?
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[16:23] <vitorcarvalhoml> yeah! I guess it runs in frame buffer, not sure
[16:23] <blockh34d> yah sounds like it
[16:23] <blockh34d> magic
[16:24] <vitorcarvalhoml> but runs very well! depends on the animation, runs with 50 fps
[16:24] <blockh34d> my opengl game runs great from x, outside of x, etc
[16:24] <blockh34d> uses pi3d btw if you're ever trying to do some opengl stuff
[16:24] <blockh34d> pi3d is great
[16:24] <blockh34d> not that my games doing anything too fancy but its a functiona split screen deathmatch ant it gets 55+fps at 1080p
[16:25] <blockh34d> which blows my mind when i look at the size of the rpi
[16:25] <blockh34d> and think about running it off a battery
[16:25] <blockh34d> for weeks
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[16:25] <vitorcarvalhoml> i don't know..i'm gonna check
[16:25] <blockh34d> i like pi3d a lot. also the author(s) are very active and helpful
[16:25] <vitorcarvalhoml> nice! what i need to run it's a simple slideshow..
[16:26] <blockh34d> well it could certinaly handle that
[16:26] <blockh34d> with very fancy transitions even i'm sure
[16:26] <vitorcarvalhoml> i try with html5+js but the web browsers don't help me a lot
[16:26] <blockh34d> star wipe!
[16:26] <blockh34d> how about feh?
[16:26] <blockh34d> feh is great for that
[16:26] <blockh34d> sudo apt-get install feh
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[16:27] <blockh34d> i do a lot with html5 btw
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[16:27] <blockh34d> if you ever really gotta figure that mess out let me know, can probably drag you across the finish liine
[16:27] <vitorcarvalhoml> well..what browser do you use?
[16:27] <blockh34d> chrome, ice weasel, luakit
[16:27] <blockh34d> want to see a couple of my html5 experiements?
[16:27] <vitorcarvalhoml> i'm using reveal.js (web application to slideshow)
[16:27] <vitorcarvalhoml> yeah!
[16:27] <blockh34d> http://prodev.comule.com/jstest
[16:28] <blockh34d> and http://prodev.comule.com/jstest2
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[16:28] <blockh34d> both pretty intensive, may hiccup a sec as it generates a terrain
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[16:29] <blockh34d> weird i'm having problesm bringin that link up. one sec
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[16:30] <vitorcarvalhoml> ok
[16:30] <blockh34d> well maybe its just luakit
[16:30] <blockh34d> luakit wont open that link but other machines have no problem with it
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[16:31] <blockh34d> oh i see i guess it needs that trailing /
[16:31] <blockh34d> weird, not used to that being so important
[16:31] <gordonDrogon> operation is insecure ...
[16:31] <vitorcarvalhoml> i'm gonna see it run in raspberry later
[16:32] <blockh34d> vitorcarvalhoml: it is pretty hiccupy on rpi
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[16:32] <blockh34d> not jstest2 though, that one is a little more minimal
[16:32] <blockh34d> gordonDrogon: i don't follow
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[16:32] <gordonDrogon> blockh34d, I clicked on that link - it told me 'operation is insecure'.
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[16:32] <vitorcarvalhoml> blockh34d: hiccupy?
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[16:33] <blockh34d> well its very intensive html5 script, wasnt really made for rpi
[16:33] <blockh34d> it draws a 3d environment and lets you naviagate it
[16:33] <gordonDrogon> ah, I was supposed to do it on a Pi :)
[16:33] <blockh34d> doesnt use any webgl, all straight canvas draw calls
[16:33] <gordonDrogon> tried it with firefox on my desktop.
[16:33] <vitorcarvalhoml> ah.. I understand
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[16:34] <blockh34d> gordonDrogon: should have worked better that way
[16:34] <blockh34d> i think it just needs the / at the end
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[16:34] <gordonDrogon> seems better with chrome.
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[16:35] <blockh34d> yah its hit or miss for me
[16:35] <blockh34d> like jstest is better in chrome but jstest2 seems better in ff
[16:35] <blockh34d> to me
[16:35] <blockh34d> btw in jstest2 you can throw ninjastars
[16:35] <vitorcarvalhoml> blockh34d: did you look at reveal.js (http://lab.hakim.se/reveal-js/#/)?
[16:36] <gordonDrogon> line 108 fwiw...
[16:36] <blockh34d> i'll take a look
[16:36] <gordonDrogon> that's jstest2
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[16:36] <blockh34d> line 108? error?
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[16:37] <gordonDrogon> it's what it says on my firefox.
[16:37] <blockh34d> oh thanks, good to know
[16:38] <gordonDrogon> Error: Line (108) - "SecurityError: The operation is insecure."
[16:38] <blockh34d> i'll maybe sort that out some day, not sure if i'll ever finish those projects
[16:38] <gordonDrogon> in a pop-up box.
[16:38] <blockh34d> weird
[16:38] <gordonDrogon> :)
[16:38] <blockh34d> i've never gotten that message
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[16:38] <gordonDrogon> maybe it's something to do with a plugin I have, cookie blocker, etc.
[16:38] <blockh34d> btw that reveal.js requires CSS 3d transitions
[16:38] <blockh34d> shouldnt be any cookies
[16:39] <blockh34d> or really anything, just game js and nothing else
[16:39] <gordonDrogon> jstest (the first one) worked ok - from what I can tell. small 3d type terrain.
[16:39] <blockh34d> did you navigate around over it?
[16:39] <gordonDrogon> yes.
[16:39] <blockh34d> you can move around freely
[16:39] <blockh34d> decent frame rate?
[16:39] <gordonDrogon> for a few seconds anyway.
[16:39] <gordonDrogon> seemed fin - on my quad core i3 desktop.
[16:39] <blockh34d> lol well i'd hope so eh
[16:39] <gordonDrogon> I could try it on a pi...
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[16:41] <blockh34d> i dont thkn you want to do that
[16:41] <blockh34d> it took 30 seconds to draw one frame
[16:41] <blockh34d> then it crashed luakit
[16:41] <blockh34d> gonan try in chromium
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[16:42] * gordonDrogon waits for it to load :)
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[16:42] <gordonDrogon> (chromium-browser)
[16:43] <blockh34d> ...wait for it
[16:43] <blockh34d> lol
[16:43] <blockh34d> actually works pretty ok in chromium
[16:43] <blockh34d> maybe 1-2fps
[16:43] <blockh34d> not that thats really 'ok' but its better than 1 frame/30sec
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[16:44] <gordonDrogon> about 1.5 seconds/frame.
[16:44] <blockh34d> yah so not ready from primetime
[16:44] <gordonDrogon> not yet :)
[16:44] <blockh34d> but still, kinda neat i think
[16:44] <blockh34d> try jstest2
[16:44] <blockh34d> it doesnt try to navigate the terrin
[16:44] <gordonDrogon> heh.. ok.
[16:44] <blockh34d> so it runs much better
[16:45] <gordonDrogon> 2
[16:45] <blockh34d> also the terrain is gourand shaded, looks nicer
[16:45] <blockh34d> dont forget to kill all the ninjas
[16:45] <blockh34d> also yo ucan destroy buidings but they take many shots
[16:46] <blockh34d> sword doesnt do anything yet, still working on gesture recognition which i want to use for that
[16:46] <blockh34d> so certain gesture do ceratin wicked cool ninja moves etc
[16:47] <blockh34d> also other gestures may be used for ninja magic
[16:47] <blockh34d> that terrain is random, each page load its different
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[16:48] <gordonDrogon> it sort of works.
[16:48] <blockh34d> succses! sort of
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[16:48] <blockh34d> seems to work pretty good for me h ere
[16:48] <blockh34d> in chromium anyways
[16:48] <gordonDrogon> yea, it's abit "clunky" but the stars seem to fly ok.
[16:49] <blockh34d> yah on a faster machine they spin
[16:49] <blockh34d> it gauges cpu speed and turns off frills if its too slow
[16:49] <blockh34d> prolly use some particle effects and stuff on nicer machines
[16:50] <vitorcarvalhoml> blockh34d: it's a problem that reveal.js use CSS 3d transitions?
[16:50] <blockh34d> i bet it is
[16:50] <blockh34d> i have no qualified reason to say that
[16:50] <blockh34d> its just my strong suspicion
[16:50] <blockh34d> tried feh?
[16:50] <blockh34d> feh -F *.jpg (done)
[16:51] <gordonDrogon> what's feh?
[16:51] <blockh34d> image viewer
[16:51] <blockh34d> commandline, i use it with wget for imgur links etc
[16:51] <gordonDrogon> ok
[16:51] <blockh34d> vitorcarvalhoml trying to get a slideshow working
[16:52] <vitorcarvalhoml> great! ;D
[16:53] <blockh34d> maybe misunderstanding, i'm just sitting here drinking coffee, not making a slideshow, just thought i'd explain to gordon what you're doing
[16:53] <blockh34d> if it were me, the slideshow would be done (feh), but i'm not sure if thats good enough for what you're doing
[16:53] <blockh34d> btw i'm available for custom JS development if this is a for-profit thing you're doing
[16:54] <blockh34d> if its non profit i'll help for free, a little ;P
[16:54] <gordonDrogon> I can do a slideshow in FUZE BASIC now..
[16:55] <blockh34d> i dunno FUZE BASIC
[16:55] <gordonDrogon> I'm gonig to use use it to do a presentation this saturday...
[16:55] <blockh34d> is that maybe like darkbasic?
[16:55] <gordonDrogon> blockh34d, it's my BASIC - what's come out of RTB - https://projects.drogon.net/return-to-basic/
[16:55] <blockh34d> pi3d + python could absolutely dominate a slideshow
[16:55] <blockh34d> oh cool
[16:55] <blockh34d> 10 PRINT "AWESOME!": GOTO 10
[16:55] * gordonDrogon cringes/
[16:56] <blockh34d> lol
[16:56] <gordonDrogon> cycle / print "Awesome" / repeat
[16:56] <gordonDrogon> where / is a new line
[16:56] <gordonDrogon> no line numbers, no go to.
[16:56] <blockh34d> yah but what fun is basic without line numbers?!?
[16:56] <blockh34d> jk
[16:56] <blockh34d> line numbers and goto are horrible, i know
[16:56] <gordonDrogon> http://unicorn.drogon.net/snake.rtb
[16:56] <gordonDrogon> example program.
[16:56] <blockh34d> but it reminds me of the 80s!
[16:56] <vitorcarvalhoml> well i need to show some images and run full hd videos, each slide has two images (one background image and the other one is a qrcode) the same to video
[16:56] <gordonDrogon> it reminds me of the 70's ...
[16:57] <blockh34d> vitorcarvalhoml: i have a pretty easy to use media player ui i made for omxplayer
[16:57] <blockh34d> seems to handle hd video no problem
[16:57] <blockh34d> i keep thinking about making th UI handle still images too
[16:57] <blockh34d> maybe i will
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[16:57] <blockh34d> if you want to try that app, its 'scamp' in the pistore (free full)
[16:57] <blockh34d> it has playlists
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[16:58] <blockh34d> vitorcarvalhoml: compositing two images per displayed 'slide' is proably more than feh can handle
[16:59] <blockh34d> but i really don't know, its a great little app
[17:00] * blockh34d kills the ninjas
[17:00] <blockh34d> little known fact: one ninja - unstoppable, multiple ninjas - incompetant
[17:00] <blockh34d> its the rule of multiple ninjas
[17:02] <[Saint]> Has anyone else found the pokemon thing in Google Maps?
[17:02] <blockh34d> haha no
[17:02] <vitorcarvalhoml> i'm trying to use qt to this problem.. thanks blockh34d!
[17:02] <blockh34d> cool good luck m8
[17:02] <[Saint]> I've caught 125
[17:02] <blockh34d> i'm usually around and vaguely helpful if you have problems vitorcarvalhoml
[17:02] <[Saint]> can't find the others... :-/
[17:03] <blockh34d> gotta catch em all
[17:03] <blockh34d> vaguely helpful might be overselling it a bit
[17:03] <vitorcarvalhoml> excellent! thanks! ;)
[17:03] <blockh34d> i wont deliberately sabotage your project
[17:03] <blockh34d> i can make you that promise.
[17:04] <blockh34d> past that its up to god
[17:04] <blockh34d> shadowhand needs a big chinatown looking dragon
[17:04] <blockh34d> like space harrier
[17:06] <blockh34d> gordonDrogon: maybe you could make a LOGO interpreter?
[17:06] <blockh34d> not sure if there already is one but i remember LOGO as being one of the first things i learned like programming
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[17:06] <gordonDrogon> blockh34d, I did look at Logo when I started my BASIC project.
[17:06] <blockh34d> i think it'd be great for the kids to learn with
[17:06] <blockh34d> they'll all draw dirty pictures with turtle graphics
[17:06] <Jusii> i think there's something alike
[17:06] <gordonDrogon> but it's not something I was that fond of. seems to be a bit of a sloppy hack to me. a bit like forth with lists.
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[17:07] <gordonDrogon> my basic supports turtle graphics.
[17:07] <blockh34d> it really is useless
[17:07] <blockh34d> oh cool there you go then
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[17:07] <gordonDrogon> so I take young people from doing human turtle (walk about the class) then onto scratch then to basic turtle. all doing the same thing.
[17:07] <blockh34d> it reminds me of that toy they used to sell, looked like a couple gears that click into each other and then you notch a pen into it, spin it around
[17:07] <gordonDrogon> spirograph.
[17:07] <blockh34d> yah thats the one
[17:08] <gordonDrogon> I had a set. pretty cool.
[17:08] <chunkyhead> what all do i need to set up rpi as a server
[17:08] <blockh34d> yah i bet thats a great approach to teaching the kids
[17:08] <blockh34d> what kind of server chunkyhead
[17:08] <chunkyhead> what all packages.
[17:08] <blockh34d> gordonDrogon: i used to teach high school computers (when i was in highschool)
[17:08] <blockh34d> i switched the curriculum over entirely to game development
[17:08] <blockh34d> we still covered all the important principles, faster even
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[17:09] <chunkyhead> blockh34d: im basically using this to present to a certain set of people that rpi can be used as a server. both cloud and website host
[17:09] <blockh34d> they brought in teachers from around the tristate to watch how i approached the subject, apparently it was kind of unconventional
[17:09] <gordonDrogon> blockh34d, excellent.
[17:09] <blockh34d> yes i thought i'd pass it along as a suggestion... kids love games, no getting around that
[17:09] <gordonDrogon> yup.
[17:09] <blockh34d> chunkyhead: oh ok
[17:10] <gordonDrogon> I'm doing some codeclub stuff now - and it's all simple little games in Scratch.
[17:10] <blockh34d> chunkyhead: well rpi can certainly make a fine server, if you don't push it too hard i guess
[17:10] <blockh34d> gordonDrogon: may i recommend multiplayer snake?
[17:10] <blockh34d> i found it to be a very easy to implement but still fun game
[17:10] <gordonDrogon> blockh34d, to write or to play?
[17:10] <blockh34d> both
[17:10] <gordonDrogon> :)
[17:10] <blockh34d> the kids will enjoy playing it by the time they're done
[17:10] <chunkyhead> this is just for a presentation. have you guys come across a guide which i can refer to?
[17:10] <gordonDrogon> I could probably write it without much effort. FUZE basic supports keyscanning.
[17:10] <blockh34d> and it can easily be played with multiple people on one kb since th einput is pretty minimal
[17:11] <gordonDrogon> chunkyhead, just google for debian server or lamp or samba setups ...
[17:11] <blockh34d> yes i found it to be a pretty simple game to implement
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[17:11] <blockh34d> me an my m8's at military school used to play my homemade snakes game all the time
[17:11] <chunkyhead> gordonDrogon: i think lamp should do it
[17:11] <chunkyhead> lampp*
[17:11] <blockh34d> yes lamp ftw
[17:11] <chunkyhead> thanks
[17:12] <chunkyhead> it's lampp btw :p people often forget perl
[17:12] <chunkyhead> <3
[17:12] <gordonDrogon> there are ome Pi LAMP guides - you might want to use lightp rather than apache.
[17:12] <[SLB]> ^
[17:12] <chunkyhead> gordonDrogon: that would be helpful
[17:12] <chunkyhead> and resource friendly
[17:13] <blockh34d> can't forget about perl
[17:13] <[SLB]> i use lighttpd, although i haven't tried apache on the pi to make a comparison
[17:13] <gordonDrogon> I did setup my usual LAMP stack on a Pi a while back just as an excercise - it ran a simple wordpress site OK.
[17:13] <blockh34d> what if you wnated to baffle someone with a one line megapp
[17:13] <blockh34d> mega-app
[17:13] <blockh34d> gonna need some perl
[17:13] <[SLB]> yea me too
[17:13] <gordonDrogon> that was with apache too.
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[17:13] <blockh34d> i just got some simple socket server code working for python
[17:13] <chunkyhead> gordonDrogon: what's lightp?
[17:14] <blockh34d> using it as a basic webserver
[17:14] <[SLB]> *lighttpd
[17:14] <blockh34d> going to turn it into multiplayer gaming server
[17:14] <gordonDrogon> yea, sorry - lighttpd
[17:14] <blockh34d> gordonDrogon: i have some things i do with game design, maybe it'd be worth putting something like that in your basic?
[17:14] <blockh34d> for instance i have a way of handling state management i think is great for games
[17:15] <blockh34d> also input handling
[17:15] <gordonDrogon> blockh34d, maybe. I need to wkr out the future of FUZE though.
[17:15] <chunkyhead> [SLB]: what all does lighttpd have?
[17:15] <blockh34d> i think those are the toughest things for new programmers to figure out
[17:15] <blockh34d> its easy to draw the space ship
[17:15] <gordonDrogon> blockh34d, FUZE/RTB is all based round SDL too.
[17:15] <blockh34d> even move it around
[17:15] <[SLB]> so far it's all i needed for my webserver that i had already on apache, not sure about the details eheh
[17:15] <blockh34d> but to turn that into a proper game will require proper input managament, and a sane progression of different states (title screen, main game, end game, title screen etc)
[17:16] <blockh34d> gordonDrogon: well perfect its ready to crank out some games then
[17:16] <[SLB]> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Comparison_of_web_server_software
[17:16] <blockh34d> then i think you could add two more things and it would be HUGE
[17:16] <gordonDrogon> blockh34d, someone did write a space invaders clone with it. it has sprite handling too.
[17:16] <blockh34d> one, multiplayer support, baked in and hard to screw up
[17:16] <blockh34d> so it just works, right away, outta the box
[17:17] <blockh34d> two, a way for peoople to post their games to a central repository and for anyone to d/l and try them any time
[17:17] <blockh34d> so you may need to strip out any potentially harmful functions, etc
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[17:17] <blockh34d> but then kids could make little goofy games, paly them with their friends on the internet, and chat about making them better etc
[17:17] <blockh34d> i think it could be as big as minecraft
[17:17] <gordonDrogon> tcp/ip connectivity is on the to-do list, although I already have a minecraft interface built in.
[17:18] <blockh34d> thats another thing i was thinkgin about
[17:18] <gordonDrogon> http://unicorn.drogon.net/minecraft1.png
[17:18] <blockh34d> what if it was strucutred kinda like minecraft
[17:18] <blockh34d> except you could interconnect your minecraft worlds with your friends worlds
[17:18] <blockh34d> like floating portals etc
[17:18] <gordonDrogon> it's not structured - it's a programming language, not really an "environment"
[17:18] <gordonDrogon> I did that 20 years ago in MUDs.
[17:19] <blockh34d> yah i figure, talking about making it a environment really changes it up a lot
[17:19] <blockh34d> but i thnk kids would dig it
[17:19] <blockh34d> yah me too, a little
[17:19] <blockh34d> wasnt it fun?
[17:19] <blockh34d> i miss it, i think rpi is perfect for that sort of thing
[17:20] <blockh34d> yah thats pretty cool minecrafting there
[17:20] <blockh34d> maybe you could teach basic circuit design like that
[17:20] <blockh34d> simulating circuits in minecraft etc
[17:21] <gordonDrogon> a bit slow, but yea :)
[17:21] <blockh34d> oh btw one other thing to add to hypothetical game based language
[17:21] <blockh34d> easy AI
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[17:21] <blockh34d> i think if AI, input, multiplayer and state management were all handled, it'd make making games so easy they'd almost write themselves
[17:21] <gordonDrogon> takes the fun out of it :)
[17:21] <blockh34d> well thats true
[17:21] <gordonDrogon> what I am considering is a form of co-routines.
[17:22] <blockh34d> but you could maybe leave it less than perfect
[17:22] <gordonDrogon> so you can fork-off a procedure or 2 as a co-routine.
[17:22] <blockh34d> so if they want to make a really fully developed game, they have to recode in a more serious language
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[17:22] <blockh34d> btw does FUZE compile?
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[17:22] <gordonDrogon> it's tokenised.
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[17:23] <blockh34d> i dont relaly know what that means
[17:23] <gordonDrogon> then the tokenised bit is interpreter.
[17:23] <blockh34d> ok
[17:23] <gordonDrogon> so PRINT gets turned into a single 32-bit word in memory.
[17:23] <blockh34d> well still fine for learning
[17:23] <blockh34d> proabbably not going to be making the next quake with it
[17:23] <blockh34d> but hey who cares
[17:23] <gordonDrogon> probably not :)
[17:23] <blockh34d> speaking of
[17:23] <blockh34d> ever made a wolfenstein clone?
[17:23] <blockh34d> the graphics are pretty easy
[17:24] <blockh34d> more advanced than mp snake but not much
[17:24] <gordonDrogon> I think FUZE might be up to something like that. doing the 3D drawing might tax it.
[17:24] <blockh34d> yah wolfenstein is actually all 2d
[17:24] <blockh34d> despite the name
[17:25] <gordonDrogon> but I was thinking of adding in some matrix multiply operations to in.
[17:25] <blockh34d> basically you cast a bunch of distance rays out fromt he viewer pos
[17:25] <blockh34d> from left to right
[17:25] <blockh34d> the longer the distance ray, the shorter the wall at that x position
[17:25] <gordonDrogon> sure - it's 2D with simulated 3D drawing that'll need a bit of maths help to make work.
[17:25] <blockh34d> i used lookup tables for every bit of it
[17:25] <blockh34d> almost no math at all
[17:25] <gordonDrogon> if mat.mul and dot-product was built-in, it would be done at the speed of C.
[17:26] * gordonDrogon ponders.
[17:26] <blockh34d> thatd be pretty cool
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[17:26] <blockh34d> yah man do it!
[17:26] <blockh34d> i think game based programming learning is the only way to go for kids
[17:26] <blockh34d> most adults even
[17:26] <gordonDrogon> if I have time...
[17:27] <blockh34d> well let me know if i can help clearly i have too much time on my hands
[17:27] <gordonDrogon> haha!
[17:27] <blockh34d> hey i'm starting on that snowflake thing i mentioned
[17:27] <blockh34d> i thought i'd mention it in case you cared to do something similar
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[17:27] <blockh34d> i'd be interested in seeing how anyone approaches that problem
[17:27] <Tachyon`> aha, what's the console mp3 player called? 3 or 4 character name, it's on but can't remember what it is
[17:28] <blockh34d> i dnno i use omxplayer
[17:28] <blockh34d> try my app, scamp in pistore
[17:28] <blockh34d> its like omxplayer with a UI and playlists
[17:28] <Tachyon`> I already have an app, I just can't remember the name of it, plus I use the console
[17:28] <blockh34d> yah so does this
[17:28] <blockh34d> its all text mode asciiart
[17:28] <blockh34d> works from putty
[17:28] <Tachyon`> is it packaged?
[17:29] <blockh34d> no but its on pistore ready to go
[17:29] <blockh34d> and free
[17:29] <blockh34d> by packaged i guess you mean able to install with apt-get?
[17:29] <lupinedk> Hmm wonder when we see a new stable firmware update
[17:29] <blockh34d> i dont really know.
[17:29] <blockh34d> lupinedk: i thought they just released an update
[17:29] <blockh34d> made the camera capture speed a lot faster or something
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[17:30] <lupinedk> checking
[17:30] <blockh34d> 90fps now
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[17:30] <Tachyon`> ahh, it's moc
[17:30] <blockh34d> moc?
[17:30] <blockh34d> theres so much i dunno
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[17:31] <Tachyon`> it's fairly basic but it does what I need
[17:31] <blockh34d> oh yah thats the goal
[17:31] <Tachyon`> I'd like something console based with visualisations but I'm unlikely to get it
[17:31] <blockh34d> as minimal as possible
[17:31] <lupinedk> nope nothing new on stable channel
[17:31] <blockh34d> its acutally much smaller than app store says
[17:31] <blockh34d> app store says its 50 megs or so, really its 20k
[17:32] <Tachyon`> with 80,000 dependencies no doubt, lol
[17:32] <blockh34d> yah python, ffmpeg, omxplayer
[17:32] <blockh34d> most of that is standard (not ffmpeg though)
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[17:32] <blockh34d> hey if you try it out mind tossing me an upvote? thanks :)
[17:34] <blockh34d> yah visualizations is atall order at this point
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[17:34] <blockh34d> i dont know how to get access to the decoded audio amplitude
[17:34] <blockh34d> since its being decoded on hardware
[17:35] <blockh34d> someone probably knows how but not me
[17:35] <Tachyon`> aye, that's often an issue
[17:35] <blockh34d> if anyone does, and can share it with me, i will add a text based EQ sorta thing to scamp
[17:35] <blockh34d> yah it seemed like a low priority so i figured i'd get back to it later
[17:35] <Tachyon`> I remember having /that/ problem on the amiga writing a mod player with an external library
[17:35] <blockh34d> i do love me some AVS though, for sure
[17:36] <blockh34d> winamp avs ftw
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[17:36] <Tachyon`> is winamp still going?
[17:36] <blockh34d> no its dead
[17:36] <Tachyon`> thought it was killed by AOL
[17:36] <Tachyon`> ahh
[17:36] <blockh34d> thats why i named my app scamp
[17:36] <blockh34d> Simple Console Amp
[17:36] <blockh34d> in honor winamps fine years of service
[17:36] <blockh34d> i thought my slogan could be 'We NEVER whip a llama's a$$!'
[17:36] <Tachyon`> lol
[17:37] <Tachyon`> yes, the RSPCA might have a word to say about that
[17:37] <blockh34d> hey they should take their beef up with nullsoft
[17:37] <blockh34d> probably just scared of getting whipped
[17:38] <blockh34d> man mod players
[17:38] <blockh34d> i miss em
[17:38] <blockh34d> any remember pizzaguy?
[17:38] <blockh34d> what an awesome mod tracker that guy was
[17:38] <blockh34d> pizzaguy? pizzadude? something like that
[17:38] <Tachyon`> there was one here, U4ia who was pretty damn good
[17:38] <Tachyon`> very active in the 1990s
[17:38] <blockh34d> never heard them
[17:39] <blockh34d> i just remember jamming out to pizzadude
[17:39] <blockh34d> it was the only mods i found worth listening too
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[17:39] <Tachyon`> http://modarchive.org/index.php?request=view_profile&query=69242
[17:39] <blockh34d> have you tried the tracker for pi?
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[17:39] <blockh34d> schystracker or something?
[17:39] <Tachyon`> no, but I have milkytracker on my tablet
[17:39] <blockh34d> i keep thinking baout making a sort of text mode fruityloops
[17:39] <blockh34d> but thats basically a tracker right?
[17:40] <Tachyon`> aye, lol
[17:40] <Tachyon`> used to use protracker back in the day, not that I managed to produce much
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[17:41] <blockh34d> i think i'll wait
[17:41] <blockh34d> i have another music making app in mind
[17:41] <blockh34d> imagine if minecraft was multi user right
[17:41] <blockh34d> and you and the other users where making beats with it
[17:41] <Tachyon`> I thought it was
[17:41] <Tachyon`> ahh
[17:41] <blockh34d> well maybe it is but its not hosting apps
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[17:42] <blockh34d> i visualize a system where you pick a sample and sort of toss it away from you where it starts orbitting you
[17:42] <blockh34d> then you place a plane in that orbit somewhere and when the sound crosses the plane, the sound triggers
[17:42] <blockh34d> the smaller the orbit the more often the sound plays
[17:42] <blockh34d> and you can drag/place those triggers however you want
[17:42] <blockh34d> eventually users will end up with lots of 'arms', each doing one little part of the beat
[17:43] <blockh34d> which is why i call this idea 'Shiva'
[17:43] <blockh34d> i may be making some progress on it soon, i almost have a 3d headset assembled
[17:44] <blockh34d> that feels suffeciantly different from existing approaches to make it worth the time it'd take to make it
[17:44] <blockh34d> anyone ever heard of a music making app like that?
[17:44] <Tachyon`> not me, lol
[17:44] <blockh34d> does it sound fun?
[17:44] <blockh34d> imagine if you could grab those sounds in orbit and sorta scratch them like a record
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[17:45] <blockh34d> i think it sounds like a blast
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[17:47] <blockh34d> also, shiva is a dancer
[17:47] <blockh34d> the great dancer of destruction and rebirth
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[17:48] <shiftplusone> ?
[17:48] <blockh34d> hi
[17:49] <blockh34d> talkin about a hypothetical music making app
[17:49] <shiftplusone> What's this about Shiva being a dancer though?
[17:49] <blockh34d> yes its what i understand though i'm kind of limited in my knowledge
[17:50] <blockh34d> Shiva is death, rebirth, and sometimes called the dancer
[17:50] <shiftplusone> I don't think the dancer thing is right.
[17:50] <blockh34d> that classic shiva pose, one leg up, thats him/her dancing
[17:51] <shiftplusone> to the research-mobile!
[17:51] <blockh34d> i'm already there
[17:51] <blockh34d> http://pberrypi] wikiped
[17:51] <blockh34d> wut
[17:51] <shiftplusone> (My ex was Hindi and worshiped Shiva, so I am curious)
[17:51] <phelix> Anyone here have any experience with mame and using bios files etc?
[17:52] <blockh34d> http://http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shiva
[17:52] <shiftplusone> phelix, you usually throw them in the relevant folder and that's it.
[17:53] <shiftplusone> blockh34d, I think this is what you're thinking of https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nataraja
[17:53] <phelix> I noticed with MAME there are mutliple different types of bios files. Will mame use whichever is needed for the rom you are trying to load or do you have to do something different if you need more than a single bios?
[17:53] <blockh34d> Shiva has forms like Yogi Raj (the common image of Himself meditating in the Himalayas), Rudra (a wrathful form) and Natarajar (Shiva's dance are the Lasya - the gentle form of dance, associated with the creation of the world, and the Tandava - the violent and dangerous dance, associated with the destruction of weary worldviews – weary perspectives and lifestyles).
[17:53] <AbbyTheRat> so other then the website css change
[17:53] <AbbyTheRat> any other april fools going down?
[17:54] <AbbyTheRat> I don't feel great to be checking out all the pranks right now :/
[17:54] <blockh34d> googles getting kind apranky
[17:55] <blockh34d> now you can automatically hoff-enate your photos
[17:55] <blockh34d> hasselhoffenate that is
[17:55] <shiftplusone> blockh34d, so what I gather is that it's more of a Tamil thing than a Hindu thing, that's why I was a little wth about it.
[17:55] <blockh34d> shiva has many many names
[17:55] <AbbyTheRat> ....
[17:55] <AbbyTheRat> including the hoff
[17:55] <blockh34d> well thatd be a new on to me
[17:56] <blockh34d> but who knows
[17:56] <AbbyTheRat> joke
[17:56] <blockh34d> lol of course
[17:56] <blockh34d> so hey h ow you feeling abby
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[17:56] <blockh34d> my app finally got on pistore
[17:56] <blockh34d> only took two weeks!
[17:56] <shiftplusone> many downloads yet?
[17:56] <blockh34d> 0.
[17:56] <blockh34d> 0 page views
[17:56] <AbbyTheRat> crap again
[17:56] <blockh34d> so i think maybe thats not right
[17:56] <shiftplusone> cool
[17:56] <shiftplusone> As I said... it's not too popular.
[17:56] <blockh34d> yah maybe its gotta update
[17:57] <AbbyTheRat> I want to use another word instead of crap but yeah.. not so hot at the moment, this time a cold.
[17:57] <blockh34d> yah
[17:57] <shiftplusone> *pistore I mean
[17:57] <blockh34d> shiftplusone: yah its mostly for my dad who is not super linux savy and doesnt really like typing to use his computer
[17:57] <blockh34d> the idea of an app store is speaking to him directly
[17:57] <blockh34d> sudo apt-get install is magic to him i think
[17:58] <blockh34d> 'where do you insert the money?' 'you dont dad its all free'
[17:58] <blockh34d> 'i dunno about that, nothings free...'
[17:58] <shiftplusone> heh
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[18:01] <blockh34d> i think the shiva name 'rudra' also seems to convey a lot of that 'great dancer of destruction' i mentioned as well shiftplusone
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[18:02] <blockh34d> "one who captivates", "one who consolidates", and "one who destroys"
[18:02] <blockh34d> he is the basis of a comic book character i've developed named Disco
[18:02] <blockh34d> who hunts down the wicked and destroys them
[18:04] <blockh34d> the autohoff needs recursive hoff technology
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[18:05] <eggster> what is the command to check if my camrea module is connected properly?
[18:06] <blockh34d> raspistill --help
[18:06] <blockh34d> whats the preview option?
[18:06] <blockh34d> use it and youll nkow if its working
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[18:07] <shiftplusone> blockh34d, so why are you into all that mythology? Just got carried away on wikipedia one night or actually interested?
[18:08] <eggster> yea, there is that.. thought there was another command too.. will tell you more info about the module also..
[18:08] <eggster> this command is what I'm looking for
[18:08] <eggster> something with vcgencmd maybe?
[18:08] <blockh34d> shiftplusone: you remember my helmet project?
[18:08] <shiftplusone> yeah
[18:08] <blockh34d> thats all based on my disco character
[18:09] <blockh34d> disco is a complicated guy
[18:09] <blockh34d> shiva is a good summary of his motivations
[18:09] <blockh34d> basically a good guy, just wants the world to be a little less evil
[18:09] <blockh34d> and is willing to go destroy whoever or whatever is necessary to make that happen
[18:10] <blockh34d> he's a pretty creepy guy until you find out how horrible his chosen targets are
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[18:10] <eggster> $ vcgencmd get_camera
[18:10] <eggster> that is what I was looking for ^
[18:10] <blockh34d> oh ok, thanks i'll remember that
[18:10] <blockh34d> also dancing is intricately involved in teh disco story
[18:11] <blockh34d> his automatic weapons systems have an easier time not hurting noncombatants if they dont move much
[18:11] <blockh34d> so to make that happen he has AI holograms that engage non combatants and try to get them to dance
[18:11] <blockh34d> ignore the combat going on around them and just focus on the music
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[18:11] <blockh34d> because when its over, a new life will begin and it will be much better than this one
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[18:12] <blockh34d> to me, thats shiva all day
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[18:13] <blockh34d> dont even get me started shiftplusone
[18:13] <blockh34d> its never ending, i have this story so mapped out in my head... could seriously be three books right now
[18:13] <blockh34d> maybe when i get more of it drawn out like a graphic novel i'll send yo a preview copy
[18:13] <shiftplusone> You can put it on pistore =P
[18:14] <blockh34d> very not family friendly
[18:14] <blockh34d> his special attack is punching people in the head so hard it pops
[18:15] <blockh34d> his has an exoskelton that amounts to a full body jackhammer he's wearing
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[18:15] <shiftplusone> That just smells of Axe Cop >_<
[18:15] <blockh34d> anything that he hits or that hits him pretty much shatters into a million pieces
[18:15] <blockh34d> yah? neat i'll have to check that out
[18:15] <blockh34d> disco is much more of a snowden sort of chap though
[18:15] <blockh34d> he was originally a government programmer
[18:15] <blockh34d> probably for someone like NSA
[18:16] <blockh34d> thats how he knows who's a target and who's not
[18:16] <blockh34d> his ai knows everything everyone has done any time in the last 100 years or so
[18:16] <blockh34d> and has used that to determine who lives and who dies
[18:16] <blockh34d> its a kinda twisted story
[18:16] <shiftplusone> http://axecop.com/comic/episode-1/ =P
[18:16] <blockh34d> thanks
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[18:17] <blockh34d> lol looks like dr mcninja
[18:18] <shiftplusone> seems about right
[18:18] <blockh34d> yah disco actually has some very religous under tones eventually
[18:18] <blockh34d> turns out he was always kind of a pawn
[18:19] <blockh34d> of 'God' (in this story, actually a mold/bacteria)
[18:19] <blockh34d> because the planet was under attack by an intruding force that makes people evil
[18:19] <blockh34d> like an infection
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[18:20] <blockh34d> its a totally insane story i guess. chock full of pretty much every other scifi story premise ever
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[18:24] <blockh34d> axe cop is cool but it kinda seems like it was written by a 5 year old
[18:24] <shiftplusone> it literally is
[18:24] <blockh34d> yeah i noticed that
[18:24] <blockh34d> my disco story is similarly inspired
[18:24] <blockh34d> a friend of mine has a mildly autistic boy
[18:25] <blockh34d> who was drawing out his own ninja turtles, bat-turtle, etc
[18:25] <blockh34d> one of them was disco turtle and it got me thinking
[18:25] <blockh34d> wtf does a disco turtle do
[18:25] <shiftplusone> it's the punching people in the head so hard it pops that made me think (heh... sounds like something my nephew would come up with)
[18:25] <blockh34d> yah
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[18:25] <blockh34d> i've actually made a glove that could do that
[18:25] <blockh34d> not that i have or would use it like that
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[18:25] <blockh34d> but i can punch down chimneys with it
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[18:26] <blockh34d> the trick is immobilizing your wrist
[18:26] <blockh34d> and distributing the force from the knuckles to the forearm directly
[18:26] <blockh34d> so i made a full metal guantlet that was basically like a very snug padded can for your hand
[18:27] <blockh34d> now i'm working on hooking it up to an air compressor and jackhammers
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[18:27] <blockh34d> so when you punch, the punch plate engages air hammers that add several hundred pounds of force to the very tip of the punching spikes (explosive force)
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[18:28] <blockh34d> that parts not scifi, thats very doable
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[18:42] <chunkyhead> lighttpd worked :)
[18:42] <chunkyhead> thank you
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[19:21] <[SLB]> hm how do i echo a tab character? say echo " lol" > file, where the spaces are actually a single tab character
[19:21] <[SLB]> is that \t?
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[19:22] <Jusii> right
[19:22] <Jusii> echo -e "\t lol"
[19:22] <[SLB]> hm
[19:22] <[SLB]> ah -e
[19:22] <[SLB]> thanks
[19:23] <gordonDrogon> aargh. more Pi keyboard problems. anyone seen keyboard random auto repeats and found a fix that doesn't involve power?
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[19:28] <blockh34d> are you using a wirelss keyboard?
[19:28] <blockh34d> i get that with my wireless kb's sometiems but not just on rpi, on any system... fresh batteries seems to help for me
[19:29] <gordonDrogon> no - it's wired. I'm currently powering the Pi via the USB port and a good powered hub - so the keyboard is getting full power - i've checked voltage too - it's good.
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[19:29] <gordonDrogon> it only started happening when I enabled sounds in FUZE basic too - however I feel that's a bit of a coincidence. I have seen it in the past, but put it down to power problems.
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[19:30] <blockh34d> thats anew on to me, never had that sort of issue
[19:30] <blockh34d> how are you handling your soudn?
[19:30] <blockh34d> i use pygame and it works pretty good
[19:30] <gordonDrogon> SDL - same as Pygame uses IIRC.
[19:30] <blockh34d> sounds right to me
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[19:31] <blockh34d> yah i've never had a problem but i do use a very low bitrate audio setting
[19:31] <blockh34d> 11khz
[19:31] <gordonDrogon> 8KHz.
[19:31] <philipp__> hey, anyone willing to give me his thoughts to this issure? http://raspberrypi.stackexchange.com/questions/14065/raspberry-pi-openvpn-client-speed-bottleneck
[19:31] <blockh34d> well dang then
[19:31] <blockh34d> no idea m8
[19:31] <gordonDrogon> The sound is fine. just the keyboard.
[19:31] <blockh34d> anything special about how you're scanning trhe kb?
[19:31] <blockh34d> does it maybe only happen with multiple keydowns at once?
[19:32] <blockh34d> bah this is all obvious you thought of and tried all this i'm sure
[19:32] <gordonDrogon> philipp__, the pi is very slow at encryption/decryption. ssh is slow too.
[19:32] <gordonDrogon> blockh34d, no - not normally - just using SDL.
[19:32] <philipp__> gordonDrogon: the cpu is not the bottleneck
[19:32] <blockh34d> i could maybe see behavior like that happening if you tried to mash down maybe 3 or 4 keys at a time
[19:32] <blockh34d> depending on the keyboard
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[19:35] <gordonDrogon> yea, but this is just regular typing. occasionally it goes mad and autorepeats - googling has made various suggestions - power being one, also missing usb events being another. (e.g. the key-up event). that might make sense as it occasionally seems to miss key-down events too.
[19:35] <gordonDrogon> it just seems worse when running minecraft and sound.
[19:35] <gordonDrogon> ah well.
[19:35] <blockh34d> yah i dont get it
[19:35] <blockh34d> maybe try creating a sample with pygame and see if any different
[19:35] <blockh34d> if so, look at how they do it
[19:36] <gordonDrogon> the folks testing fuze said they only started to see it when I put the sound code in.
[19:36] <shiftplusone> gordonDrogon, anything in dmesg?
[19:36] <blockh34d> because i use pygame and so far i haven't had any problems like that with keybaord input
[19:37] <gordonDrogon> shiftplusone, nothing )-:
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[19:38] <shiftplusone> gordonDrogon, maybe bump up printk or there might be some kernel parameter you can pass to get debug info from USB. Might be something worth asking Gordon(notDrogon) or jdb about. I've seen this come up a few times recently, so it's not just you.
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[19:39] <blockh34d> yah thats true thers been a couple mentions if this issue in here lately iirc
[19:39] <blockh34d> wasnt there a firmware update kinda recently? i don't think i've applied that yet, could be involved?
[19:40] <gordonDrogon> exit
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[19:40] <gordonDrogon> wrong keyboard.
[19:41] <gordonDrogon> doing more tests. brb.
[19:41] <blockh34d> make up a sample and i'll tyr it if you want
[19:41] <blockh34d> maybe i can reproduce or not reproduce that error, both probably a little informative
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[19:42] <shiftplusone> No firmware update since Jan 6 2014
[19:42] <shiftplusone> (unless you rpi-update)
[19:43] <blockh34d> i think i havent' even gotten that one on this rpi
[19:43] <blockh34d> i set this up jan2 iirc
[19:43] <blockh34d> my bday
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[20:12] <gordonDrogon> well it does seem to be linked to initialising sound in SDL. if I don't initilise sound, then it seems fine.
[20:13] <blockh34d> odd.
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[20:19] <gordonDrogon> yes, and bother. was just going to check voltages again when I find my DVM has a flat battery. oh well - good excuse to buy another.
[20:19] <blockh34d> which audio output do you use?
[20:19] <blockh34d> do you have any of the config.txt options regarding audio overdrive set in ways that might influence things?
[20:20] <gordonDrogon> no idea. I think it's "default".
[20:20] <gordonDrogon> but hdmi if that's what you mean.
[20:20] <blockh34d> yah i dunno why i'd ask just curious
[20:21] <blockh34d> does your screen resolution seem to affect that error at all?
[20:21] <gordonDrogon> not sure - it's going into a 1080p monitor.
[20:21] <blockh34d> another one of those 'not sure why i'd ask'
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[20:21] <blockh34d> but if you're totally out of ideas, might be worth changing screen res or trying 'safe mode'
[20:21] <gordonDrogon> actually, when I noticed it last week, it was going into an hdmi to dvi adapter driving a 1280x1024 monitor.
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[20:44] <blockh34d> is that adapter powered in some way, maybe off an hdmi voltage source?
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[20:46] <gordonDrogon> no idea. I didn't think DVI ones needed power.
[20:46] <gordonDrogon> however right now it's going to my desktop monitor on the hdmi port desktop uses the dvi port)
[20:46] <gordonDrogon> and I may have found something..
[20:46] <gordonDrogon> my /boot/cmdline.txt had smsc95xx.turbo_mode=N in it. I've changed it to Y...
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[20:48] <blockh34d> i don't know what taht option is about
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[20:50] <gordonDrogon> minecraft drops the votlage down to 4.8v (was 4.88)
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[20:53] <blockh34d> just while it's running right?
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[20:56] <gordonDrogon> yes. that didn't fix it though - however I see the same problem on both keyboards.
[20:57] <gordonDrogon> but less of a problem.
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[21:00] <blockh34d> ...as the bug turns
[21:00] <blockh34d> should be a programmer soap opera
[21:01] <blockh34d> lol i love it when a bug is so tricky it sort of evolves over time as you try to solve it
[21:01] <blockh34d> makes it that much more rewarding to resolve
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[21:07] <blockh34d> www.raspyfi.com/anatomy-of-a-pi-usb-audio-quality-and-related-issues-on-pi/
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[21:09] <blockh34d> some interesting stuff there gordonDrogon
[21:09] <blockh34d> resampling audio can apparently be Evil
[21:09] <blockh34d> and also the usb driver will drop events if there is more than 1 ms latency response from the cpu
[21:09] <blockh34d> like those keyup events
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[21:10] <blockh34d> is it possibly you're not processing all the events in the que, and so its running out of space and dropping packets?
[21:10] <shiftplusone> the pi site seems to be dead
[21:10] <blockh34d> i've heard of this beahavior but not actually seen it
[21:11] <blockh34d> eh? probably switching around templats from april fools to normal
[21:11] <shiftplusone> o rather parked by godaddy =S
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[21:11] <shiftplusone> *or
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[21:11] <gordonDrogon> it happens in an xterm too - not just my program.
[21:11] <shiftplusone> ah well
[21:12] <blockh34d> which pi site?
[21:12] <blockh34d> the one i just mentioned?
[21:12] <shiftplusone> aye
[21:12] <blockh34d> weird it loads up for me
[21:12] <blockh34d> i had to type the link from another computer
[21:12] <shiftplusone> Oh... I can't type...
[21:12] <shiftplusone> "http://raspberrrypi.org/"
[21:12] <blockh34d> but i pasted it into luakit here and it loaded
[21:12] <shiftplusone> to much rrr
[21:12] <blockh34d> haha
[21:12] <blockh34d> errr
[21:13] <shiftplusone> Love the new design though
[21:13] <blockh34d> yes its hacker-ific
[21:13] <blockh34d> i'm hoping for some blink tags
[21:13] <blockh34d> and just one animated gif
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[21:14] <gordonDrogon> wonder how long they'll keep it like that. April fool ends at lunchtime you know... (well, according to some people)
[21:14] <blockh34d> jk i don't miss any of that except maybe dancing hampster
[21:14] <gordonDrogon> but as DNA said, it's always lunchtime somewhere.
[21:14] <blockh34d> probably just building interest in a new site design
[21:14] <shiftplusone> Maybe 3:14 the next day
[21:14] <shiftplusone> I think they launched it at 3:14, but I don't know what timezone.
[21:14] <blockh34d> if they go back to the same one they had i think they'd be missing an opportunity to transition
[21:15] <blockh34d> but theres nothing wrong with the old design really
[21:15] <blockh34d> not as good as whats up there right now, by my standards
[21:15] <shiftplusone> They have been working on a new site so...
[21:15] <blockh34d> but if i had my way graphics would be largely unused on the interwebs
[21:15] <blockh34d> replaced by a system of horizontal rules <hr>
[21:16] <blockh34d> and table borders
[21:16] <shiftplusone> Not even spinning flaming skull gifs?
[21:16] <blockh34d> giant fat table borders
[21:16] <blockh34d> thats for list items
[21:16] <blockh34d> intsead of the bullet, you get a flamey skull
[21:16] <blockh34d> lol gifs
[21:16] <shiftplusone> excellent
[21:17] <blockh34d> is it GEFFS? or JIFFS?
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[21:17] <shiftplusone> gif =)
[21:17] <blockh34d> yah i think gif like give
[21:17] <shiftplusone> (not the j one, that's terrible and I don't care what the inventor says)
[21:17] <blockh34d> but some lunatics persist with the jif
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[21:18] <blockh34d> oh is that where that came from?
[21:18] <blockh34d> lol compuserve
[21:18] <shiftplusone> people have been calling them jifs forever, but about a year ago, the inventor came out in favour of jif.
[21:19] <shiftplusone> blockh34d, this seems like your sort of site. http://spinningflamingskull.com/
[21:19] * blockh34d luakits
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[21:19] <blockh34d> app-o-tron is one of my fav sites atm
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[21:20] <blockh34d> lil more cowbell is what that needs
[21:21] <blockh34d> lol what an epic table border
[21:22] <blockh34d> that thing is not screwing around
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[21:24] <blockh34d> http://pages.cs.wisc.edu/~boris/dance/
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[21:25] <blockh34d> ohh that page has a redirect in it after a while
[21:25] <blockh34d> dont hampster dance the night away you end up in unrelated commercial site. oh well, fun for a second
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[21:25] <gordonDrogon> could have been worse: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EIyixC9NsLI
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[21:29] <blockh34d> haha i just had a little bug with my player, mouse focus got send to wrong window or something, so i sat through all of that fullscreen at a reasonable volume
[21:29] <blockh34d> i wonder if i just got brainwashed
[21:30] <blockh34d> lol good stuff, should be a ringtone
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[21:33] <gordonDrogon> hm. well. keyboard problem is still there. I left a basic program raining gravel in minecraft for a while and it seems to have made it worse.
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[21:36] <blockh34d> i wonder if this is related to the slowdown issue i've noticed with dynamic content in 3d
[21:37] <blockh34d> where excessive slowdown causes the usb controller to lag out and drop events
[21:37] <blockh34d> i havent noticed the usb drop outs but the slowdown yes
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[21:38] <blockh34d> and in 3d usage i'm usually using gamepads
[21:38] <blockh34d> but my keyboard usage has been mostly without issue
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[21:39] <gordonDrogon> who knows.
[21:40] <gordonDrogon> and does anyone know the actual size of the minecraft world on the Pi? I thought it was +/- 127 but it seems a bit bigger.
[21:40] <blockh34d> i actually don't minecraft a whole lot
[21:40] <blockh34d> its cool and all i just udnno what to after i've made a house and lamps and stuff
[21:41] <blockh34d> maybe i have to enable something? i've never really minecrafted a whole log
[21:41] <blockh34d> lot
[21:41] <gordonDrogon> not really - just install it on a Pi and that's that.
[21:42] <blockh34d> oh no i have it
[21:42] <blockh34d> it runs great, mostly
[21:42] <blockh34d> i just dont 'get it'
[21:42] <blockh34d> like pokemon
[21:42] <blockh34d> i don't get that *stuff* either
[21:44] <blockh34d> someteims i think its because i code those sort of things already in other ways, i would usually rather go work on that then do similar in minecraft
[21:45] <blockh34d> but i've never really done the script based minecraft output, that could be cool who knows
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[21:46] <blockh34d> well i'm gonna go get some work done have a nice day
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[21:56] <Raynerd> Hi blockh34d - you about?
[21:56] <blockh34d> yeah just about to leave but whats up
[21:56] <blockh34d> hows your bottom title text doin?
[21:57] <Raynerd> oh, no worries. Was just hoping you could add the extra text box to the bottom! I cant do it
[21:58] <blockh34d> ok well i can its not that big a deal but fyi i think you sell yourself short by not making yourself figure this out
[21:58] <shiftplusone> Raynerd, Hello! How are the pis doing at school?
[21:58] <blockh34d> how about this
[21:59] <Raynerd> shiftplusone - excellent - they are getting hammered.
[21:59] <blockh34d> lets outline the process in larger blocks of functionality, and then you tackle each one individually
[21:59] <shiftplusone> still just minecraft or more edumacational stuff?
[21:59] <blockh34d> step 1: make the display larger
[21:59] <Raynerd> I`ve also organised some STEM ambasaddors from ManchesterUni to come in and do a pi club after Easter holiday
[21:59] <blockh34d> step 2: create a new variable to hold the text for that bottom 'string' (of letters)
[21:59] <shiftplusone> excellent
[22:00] <Raynerd> blockh34d - don`t worry about it. I`ve tried and failed
[22:00] <blockh34d> step 3: duplicate the code that draws the top text but change the part that specifies which variable to draw over to the new one you created in step 2
[22:00] <Raynerd> No, they are just playing minecraft but using the API now as well which is good.
[22:00] <shiftplusone> awesome
[22:00] <Raynerd> blockh34d - if I could have done it, i would have done it :-)
[22:01] * AbbyTheRat is looking around to see what her options are to have her pi pick up phonecalls
[22:01] <blockh34d> do your fingers not work?
[22:01] <blockh34d> your fingers appear to be finging just fine
[22:01] <blockh34d> you just gotta persevere, look at it in steps and get each one nailed down at a time bfore you try to put it all together
[22:01] <Raynerd> shiftplusone - the raspberrypi weather station is doing well just wating for the DT teacher to finish the bird table converted to a weather box!
[22:02] <shiftplusone> DT?
[22:02] <DeliriumTremens> ?
[22:02] <AbbyTheRat> Design
[22:02] <AbbyTheRat> Techology
[22:02] <blockh34d> but like i said, if you really just dont care and want it to work, i'll hack it in there, its not that big of a deal
[22:02] <shiftplusone> ah
[22:02] <AbbyTheRat> something tells me Raynerd is British
[22:02] <Raynerd> design technology aka, resistant materials aka woodwork
[22:02] <blockh34d> but if you cant get this sorted out, anything past this is also apparently out of the question, and i'm not signing up for that
[22:02] <Raynerd> I am indeed - North Manc!
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[22:03] <AbbyTheRat> Hee, from Stroud
[22:03] <blockh34d> but its gotta wait till tonight, i have work to do that requires daylight
[22:03] <shiftplusone> Oh and I saw your fancy weight (paint bucket and tube) holding mechanism on youtube. >.>
[22:03] <AbbyTheRat> Gloucestershire area
[22:03] <Raynerd> blockh34d - no worries
[22:03] <AbbyTheRat> don't live there anymore ^_^
[22:04] <Raynerd> AbbyTheRat - do you have kids at school? Not many parents know what DT stands for!!
[22:04] <AbbyTheRat> I wasn't a kid that long ago o_o;
[22:04] <DeliriumTremens> ಠ_ಠ
[22:04] <Raynerd> ahh!
[22:04] <gordonDrogon> Stroud. I used to live near there - sort of.
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[22:04] <Raynerd> AbbyTheRat - of course, you can`t be far of my age as you also have a kid...infact
[22:04] <gordonDrogon> worked in wool town under the edge for a short while.
[22:04] <shiftplusone> AbbyTheRat, sounds like you still are (in a good way).
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[22:05] <Raynerd> you are probably younger.
[22:05] <AbbyTheRat> :D
[22:05] <AbbyTheRat> 28
[22:05] <Raynerd> 30
[22:05] <Raynerd> Was it not resistant materials when you were at school? It was for me!
[22:05] <gordonDrogon> now I live in a woolen town. odd places.
[22:05] <AbbyTheRat> I haven't heard "DT Teacher" anywhere but in the UK school system
[22:06] * DeliriumTremens removes DT hilight
[22:06] <[SLB]> lol
[22:06] <Raynerd> ha
[22:06] <AbbyTheRat> XD
[22:06] <shiftplusone> For me only 'Dream Theater' came to mind, but I don't think they teach that in school. (For shame!)
[22:06] <Raynerd> The kids in the 6th form centre have gone nuts over this blocks game we created... ! That is another pi win
[22:07] <AbbyTheRat> nice
[22:07] <AbbyTheRat> 6th form is another UK thing
[22:07] <AbbyTheRat> XD
[22:07] <AbbyTheRat> I had to explain what it was to my other half
[22:07] <Raynerd> ha, true!
[22:07] <AbbyTheRat> I live in Canada now
[22:07] <Raynerd> You no longer UK?
[22:07] <AbbyTheRat> nupe
[22:07] <Raynerd> Canada ! - so you didn`t move far then!!
[22:08] <Raynerd> ;-)
[22:08] <AbbyTheRat> yeah, short hop(!)
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[22:08] <Raynerd> I`ve been looking at some game engines to rebuild the game but lots of the seem to use Lua
[22:10] <blockh34d> lol lua
[22:10] <blockh34d> what a pain to get classes hacked into it
[22:10] <shiftplusone> Nothing wrong with lua
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[22:10] <AbbyTheRat> so quick update, how you're doing with the pi?
[22:10] <gordonDrogon> Raynerd, write your own in BASIC :)
[22:10] <blockh34d> i had less than stellar experience with lua
[22:10] <Raynerd> gordonDragon - so you keen saying. Problem is, I can`t write BASIC
[22:11] <Raynerd> lol, I can`t write python, or C or java....
[22:11] <blockh34d> imo python is easiest scripting language you could ask for
[22:11] <shiftplusone> blockh34d, what did you use it for? It seems ideal for the scripting side of games (not for the game engine itself though).
[22:11] <AbbyTheRat> how will we call upon DT now? we've abused his poor highlights by accident
[22:11] <blockh34d> yah thats what i used it for
[22:11] <Raynerd> or anything else for that matter... but the kids are enjoying learning and that is what matters and I`m still a step infront of them
[22:11] <DeliriumTremens> ಠ_ಠ
[22:11] <blockh34d> i found i had to implement a weird system of hacks to emulate a standard class
[22:11] <blockh34d> Animal->Bird->Hawk
[22:12] <gordonDrogon> Raynerd, Hehe.. if you can write python, C or java then you can write BASIC - trust me.
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[22:12] <Raynerd> I CANT write any!
[22:12] <blockh34d> difficult structure to implement because its not (or wasnt) how they want you to do it, i guess
[22:12] <AbbyTheRat> he's struggles with python at the moment
[22:12] <AbbyTheRat> getting better
[22:12] <gordonDrogon> oh, right... ah well, read this then: http://unicorn.drogon.net/snake.rtb
[22:13] <gordonDrogon> it's easy. very basic.
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[22:13] <blockh34d> Raynerd: this is why abby was right and i probably did you a disservice by helping earlier
[22:13] <blockh34d> since this seems weird and foriegn, it disconnected you from the creation process and thats not good
[22:13] <Raynerd> I can cobble stuff together and get by...
[22:13] <blockh34d> maybe start over, in python again, from scratch but use the other as a sort of cheat sheet
[22:14] <blockh34d> and really understand it before you try to proceed
[22:14] <Raynerd> blockh34d - if I remember rightly my code for the game worked!!!! You tidied it up and added the text box at the top!! The text box is the only bit I dodn`t get
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[22:14] <blockh34d> well i made your weidr conditional less weird
[22:14] <Raynerd> ....again, I`ll just say, the code I had written made a fully functioning game.
[22:15] <Raynerd> :-)
[22:15] <blockh34d> mostly some structure changes for the sake of improved readability
[22:15] <AbbyTheRat> that's good to hear, Raynerd :)
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[22:15] <blockh34d> so ok then rebuild just the text part from scratch
[22:15] <blockh34d> if you've got everything else figured out
[22:15] <blockh34d> whats so hard about making the window bigger?
[22:15] <blockh34d> +height
[22:15] <blockh34d> wheres that go?
[22:16] <Raynerd> grrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr .... I can`t see at all how you have implemented the text AREA - I can see the text, how to change it and have modified it. I just can`t see where the space for the text is made
[22:16] <blockh34d> k post it to pastie or something
[22:17] <blockh34d> i'll point you to it
[22:17] <blockh34d> this is why readable code is A Good Thing
[22:17] <blockh34d> imagine coming back to your project in a year and it all looks like nonsense
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[22:18] <blockh34d> btw Raynerd are you making the window bigger yet?
[22:18] <bigx> hi there
[22:19] <Raynerd> http://codepad.org/yhZVsR6r please bear in mind I have edited the code but all at school.
[22:19] <blockh34d> if you dont make the window bigger, even ifyou draw the text wher eyou want and how you want, you wont see it
[22:19] <Raynerd> so I`m at home on my own pi with the original code
[22:19] <bigx> do you know if there is any way to keep a black screen when not playing a video with omx?
[22:19] <Raynerd> one issue however, is that I`m not convinced my game logic will give me a multi player game.
[22:19] <blockh34d> bigx maybe open feh fullscreen to a black image 'behind' omx?
[22:20] <blockh34d> btw bigx my app might handle that for you very soon
[22:20] <blockh34d> if you use omx a lot, maybe try Scamp out in pi store (free app)
[22:20] <bigx> i don't start any desktop
[22:20] <Raynerd> AbbyTheRat - are RasPi having press in Canada/>
[22:20] <blockh34d> its got a playlist, fullscreen toggle, shuffle, a progressbar, etc
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[22:20] <bigx> I have an IR sensor that triggers the playback
[22:20] <bigx> and that's it
[22:20] <blockh34d> feh works commandline
[22:21] <blockh34d> no X required
[22:21] <blockh34d> has a fullscreen option and omx will overwrite whatever is fullscreen when its playing
[22:21] <blockh34d> since its on openmax output layer
[22:21] <bigx> lol, i'm kinda newbie about video playback with a rpi
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[22:22] <blockh34d> yah me too actually
[22:22] <blockh34d> i havent even tried xbmc yet
[22:22] <blockh34d> looks cool but i'm more of a vlc kinda guy
[22:22] <blockh34d> but then vlc isnt really cutting it on pi, so i made my thing, does ok i guess
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[22:23] <blockh34d> Raynerd: lines 145-147 specify where to put the text
[22:24] <blockh34d> first it creates a rect object from the text sprite
[22:24] <blockh34d> then it adjusts that rects 'centerx' and 'centery' properties
[22:24] <blockh34d> which work exactly as marked on the tin
[22:24] <blockh34d> to move your text to those locations in line 149 when you draw the text sprite
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[22:26] <Raynerd> hum :-S
[22:26] <blockh34d> i think that because objects/classes (same thing more or less in diff languages) have such an intuitive structure, they are worth the investment in time it takes to use that structure
[22:26] <blockh34d> so you should give some though to checking it out
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[22:26] <bigx> sudo sh -c “TERM=linux setterm -foreground black -clear >/dev/tty0″
[22:26] <blockh34d> like textRect.centerx
[22:27] <blockh34d> makes total sense to me
[22:27] <Raynerd> despite best efforts, I still do not get objects and classes!!!
[22:27] <bigx> that is clearing the screen
[22:27] <blockh34d> object is a group of data and actions
[22:27] <blockh34d> aka properties and methods
[22:27] <blockh34d> they're grouped by function
[22:27] <blockh34d> like Bird.Flap()
[22:27] <Raynerd> Yes, so people keep saying. I understand in laymans terms but not in use!
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[22:28] <blockh34d> as opposed to say Bird.Location, which might be a property
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[22:28] <Raynerd> so you could create a class called people and then an object in that called Chris.
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[22:28] <Raynerd> people.Chris
[22:28] <blockh34d> in practice you should probably still use a method to retrive that location, so its like Bird.Location(), but i think you get it
[22:29] <blockh34d> ok sure, you could
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[22:29] <blockh34d> but i think thats not what you're trying to do
[22:29] <blockh34d> you want to create a baseclass called people (i think), and then 'subclass' that into 'Chris' (a more specific people)
[22:29] <Raynerd> Yes, you see I get the principle but no idea how it is implemented OR OR OR, how to read them when they are shown in code!
[22:29] <blockh34d> i could be wrong
[22:29] <blockh34d> because you could have a class of people and a dict of stuff called Chris
[22:30] <Raynerd> talk to me about our code then.
[22:30] <blockh34d> etc but it doesnt sound right to me
[22:30] <blockh34d> yours, i'm just helping out
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[22:30] <blockh34d> so whats the problem
[22:30] <Raynerd> textRect.centrey
[22:30] <blockh34d> ok
[22:30] <blockh34d> when textRect is created, check that out
[22:31] <Raynerd> textRect = text.get_rect()
[22:31] <blockh34d> 145... it is the result of a process run on the text object
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[22:31] <Raynerd> so actually....!!!!
[22:31] <blockh34d> so text does something (getrect) which then returns a value, that gets saved to textRect
[22:31] <Raynerd> before we do that. text.get_rect()
[22:31] <blockh34d> that value is a Rect() object, or something like that
[22:32] <blockh34d> whatever it's called, it's got a few properties for us to use
[22:32] <blockh34d> probably a top and bottom, left and right, etc... but in this case all we need is centerx and centery
[22:32] <blockh34d> and i dont know that theres actualy top and bottom etc
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[22:32] <blockh34d> could be theres just a size
[22:32] <blockh34d> and centerx/y and nothing else
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[22:33] <blockh34d> so does all that maek sense?
[22:33] <Raynerd> where is get_rect defined?
[22:33] <blockh34d> well look at the line above it
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[22:34] <blockh34d> see how text is the result of basicFont doing something (render)?
[22:34] <Raynerd> In all honesty, I never understand when I see something. something
[22:34] <blockh34d> ok well the left something is like You and right something is like Walk()
[22:34] <blockh34d> Dog.Bark()
[22:34] <blockh34d> which dog? the Dog
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[22:35] <blockh34d> from Bark() though its just 'self' (or whatever you chose to call that variable)
[22:35] <blockh34d> ok better example
[22:35] <blockh34d> class Dog()
[22:35] <blockh34d> Fido = Dog()
[22:35] <blockh34d> Fido.walk()
[22:35] <blockh34d> NOT Dog.walk()
[22:36] <blockh34d> Dog is the class, Fido is the instance
[22:36] <blockh34d> you typically call the methods on instances
[22:36] <chithead> unless they are static
[22:36] <Raynerd> As usual, I can read the words and understand what you are saying but can`t see how it is used in code
[22:36] <blockh34d> like how basicFont is an instance of some font object
[22:36] <blockh34d> and then basicFont render's based on some other parameters
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[22:36] <blockh34d> and returns a value that is the 'text' object
[22:37] <blockh34d> which comes prefab with get_rect() already defined
[22:37] <blockh34d> so you dont have to define get_rect
[22:37] <blockh34d> its already in there (lots of other stuff too no doubt)
[22:37] <Raynerd> I think I need to cry for a while... excuse me.
[22:37] <blockh34d> Raynerd.cry()
[22:39] <Raynerd> no wonder the 11-16 curriculum is shy to coding
[22:39] <blockh34d> print (str(Raynerd.teach(BasicStuff)))-> "W'aaah!"
[22:39] <Raynerd> thank god I teach Chemistry is all I say! :-)
[22:39] <blockh34d> lol j/k m8
[22:39] <blockh34d> a lil of the ol ballbustin is all in good fun
[22:40] <blockh34d> helps to motivate
[22:40] <blockh34d> you're welcome to curse me out i'm immune, but i suppose this is family friendly so maybe not
[22:40] <Raynerd> to be honest, you have to understand this isn`t the first time I`ve tried to understand Object Orientated coding and I really don`t get it.
[22:40] <Raynerd> I`d love... really love to see a short code just using these concepts!
[22:41] <blockh34d> ok so just keep backing up the conceptual truck until you hit that first pothole
[22:41] <blockh34d> where did you first get derailed on the idea
[22:41] <blockh34d> ok
[22:41] <Raynerd> I get the principle... so what you are saying makes sense. I see dog.bark() and I even see how you defined Fido as the dog and did fido.bark()
[22:41] <blockh34d> trying to think of how to say this in chemistry
[22:41] <Raynerd> it makes sense.
[22:42] <Raynerd> but I can`t then relate this to an actual code example that WORKS!
[22:42] <blockh34d> aight seems excessive for chan so msg window
[22:43] <blockh34d> its short enough i dont care to pastie
[22:43] <Raynerd> ok
[22:43] <Raynerd> :-)
[22:43] <Raynerd> legend
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[23:08] <chunkyhead> guys im running archlinux on my rpi. i cant run sudo lighty-enable-mod fastcgi-php. to enable php with lighttpd
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[23:08] <chunkyhead> [SLB]: gordonDrogon you guys still there?
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[23:15] <philipp__> hi i am experienting connection issues of openvpn beeing very slow. I think its the same issue this guy http://raspberrypi.stackexchange.com/questions/14065/raspberry-pi-openvpn-client-speed-bottleneck is experienting. Today i found http://forums.opensuse.org/showthread.php/443769-11-3-openvpn-connection-hangs but i dont really understand there solution. Can anyone explain what log they mean?
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[23:56] <gordonDrogon> chunkyhead, hi.
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