#raspberrypi IRC Log


IRC Log for 2014-04-08

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[0:01] <ffledgling> atouk: it's throwing errors, let me see what's causing them
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[0:04] <ffledgling> atouk: Question about your script... you do a `version=${revision:-1}`
[0:05] <ffledgling> where $revision is the output of grep "Revision" on /proc/cpuinfo
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[0:06] <ffledgling> In the case where the grep does succeeed, you get something like "Revision: 000e" inside $revision
[0:06] <atouk> wrote that about a year ago. behaviour for that might have changed
[0:06] <ffledgling> how are you comparing that to something like 4 using [[ $version < 4 ]] ?
[0:07] <ffledgling> atouk: okay, so if you could tell me what portion of the revision 000e is relevant, I'll revise it accordingly?
[0:09] <atouk> actually now that i look, thats the wrong file. i must have overwritten the working one. (sad face)
[0:09] <atouk> haven't looked at that in a LONG time
[0:09] <davor> thanks MProg man
[0:10] <shiftplusone> back from manly man-work
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[0:10] <shiftplusone> by which I mean I was outside for a few minutes and hammered some things.
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[0:10] <ffledgling> atouk: no problem, I think I figured it out though http://www.raspberrypi-spy.co.uk/2012/09/checking-your-raspberry-pi-board-version/
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[0:11] <ffledgling> only I think 000e == 0005 or something.
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[0:12] <atouk> forget exactly what i did there, but the math is mising. strip before the 0000x, and then convert to decimal
[0:14] <davor> MProg, given that according to the RPi schematic the Pi's 5v supply goes straight to HDMI through that diode, I think I'll just replace the diode with a stronger one
[0:15] <ffledgling> atouk: ascii -t $(echo "Version: Revision: 000e" | awk '{print $3}' | tr '0' ' ') | awk '{print $2-96}'
[0:15] <ffledgling> ^ this works, but ... it's not pretty.
[0:15] <shiftplusone> what's this for?
[0:16] <atouk> want pretty? use teh status page code
[0:17] <davor> MProg, should work with a 2.1A power supply
[0:17] <davor> I think
[0:17] <davor> I hope
[0:17] <ffledgling> shiftplusone: atouk had a script to print the board pins. The version I downloaded had a couple of errors, so I was trying to fix.
[0:17] <ffledgling> atouk: status page code?
[0:17] <atouk> the facny webpage just above it
[0:18] <atouk> needs a webserver installed on the pi
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[0:20] <ffledgling> atouk: I just realized I just needed to look at the else's print output rather than modifying the script T_T
[0:21] <ffledgling> atouk: the numbers in the brackets on the board, do they tell us the wiringPi pin numbers?
[0:21] <atouk> yup
[0:22] <ffledgling> very cool.
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[0:26] <davor> hm, I can't find any place to get a PMEG2010AET diode from
[0:26] <davor> that doesn't charge >30 euro shipping or so
[0:26] <davor> heh
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[0:30] <davor> 120 USD shipping on all orders, any quantity at digikey
[0:30] <davor> it's like I live on Mars
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[0:35] <thomas_r> hi, newbie question. i'm looking to put together a fileserver which would allow me to: run gitlab, serve files as and when, both data and media, possibly an owncloud instance for general dumping, and possibly some backup. would a pi be powerful enough to cope?
[0:36] <thomas_r> 2-3 computers, so processor use isn't going to be mosterous!
[0:36] <shiftplusone> not for owncloud
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[0:36] <shiftplusone> I don't know about the others though. Should be fine.
[0:36] <thomas_r> not even for local storage
[0:36] <thomas_r> i'd be looking to keep all the files stored locally
[0:37] <thomas_r> instead of running apache, i'd probably just swap it with nginx
[0:37] <shiftplusone> I tried with nginx and found it terribly slow.
[0:38] <shiftplusone> nid0 on the other hand used apache and found it decent, but I am sceptical. My experience seems to match what others have said as well.
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[0:39] <thomas_r> oh, what problems does it have?
[0:39] <thomas_r> just generally slow?
[0:39] <thomas_r> i'm pretty sure 512mb would be powerful enough for gitlab, though it is all ror
[0:39] <shiftplusone> the php requests seem to take a very long time.
[0:40] <shiftplusone> Without apc, it would time out.
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[0:42] <thomas_r> oh
[0:43] <thomas_r> is that with a single user?
[0:43] <shiftplusone> yup
[0:43] <thomas_r> yeah that ain't good then
[0:43] <shiftplusone> My suggestion is try it and see
[0:44] <thomas_r> so samba is the preferred sharing solution?
[0:44] <shiftplusone> for windows
[0:44] <shiftplusone> otherwise, NFS
[0:44] <thomas_r> yeah
[0:45] <thomas_r> i'm guessing encryption is out of the question?
[0:45] <shiftplusone> no
[0:45] <shiftplusone> sftp is okay. Not as fast as without encryption, but bearable.
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[0:47] <thomas_r> ok. i guess my biggest concern is just being able to get to the files on there, and being able to transfer the data to it
[0:47] <thomas_r> some nice web ui would be a nice touch
[0:47] <thomas_r> i guess that could be easily created in php without too much hassle
[0:47] <shiftplusone> I'd just use sshfs. WinSCP or FileZilla work great.
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[0:48] <shiftplusone> you can run a simple file browser running on nginx, like h5ai
[0:49] <shiftplusone> I don't think it does uploads, but it's good enough for a lot of use cases
[0:49] <shiftplusone> http://larsjung.de/h5ai/sample/image%20preview/
[0:49] <thomas_r> oh nice
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[0:50] <shiftplusone> no idea how it performs on the pi
[0:50] <shiftplusone> only heard of it yesterdayish
[0:50] <thomas_r> the qr codes on hover sounds kinda pointless
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[0:52] <thomas_r> ah, instead of actually being shown teh content inside a js lightbox thing (which gets annoying fast) it'd be nice if it just linked to the file
[0:53] <shiftplusone> it's not customizable?
[0:53] <shiftplusone> or configurable, rather
[0:53] <thomas_r> maybe, i'm just looking at the demo atm
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[0:57] <thomas_r> mhh, deciding whether a file server would be of use to me. i have a 1tb hdd kickign around, and a spare usb charger, so am only missing the sd card and hte pi
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[0:57] <shiftplusone> keep in mind transfer speeds aren't going to be that great
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[0:58] <shiftplusone> the bandwidth is shared between the HDD and the network, so transferring files over the network to the HDD, is not ideal.
[0:59] <thomas_r> mhh, interesting. would it be fast enough to stream movies from?
[0:59] <shiftplusone> Easily, I think.
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[1:01] <davor> I want to use this http://www.ebay.com/itm/301050845392 for the Pi, but apparently there are power concerns. a recommendation is to simply use one of these: http://www.dx.com/p/hdmi-male-to-hdmi-female-adapter-w-power-input-port-black-155361 could I do a diy thing with the adapter and unwrap the cable and connect a 5v 2a power supply's gnd to the gnd wire, and cut the power line and leave it hanging on the pi side, and connect it to said power suppl
[1:01] <davor> y on the other side?
[1:01] <davor> this power supply would be supplying the Pi simultaneously
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[1:05] <\\Mr_C\\> that raspberry pi fm transmitter is slick, no extra hardware needed
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[1:05] <shiftplusone> And seems to be mentioned every day although it has been around forever >_<
[1:06] <shiftplusone> (nothing wrong with that)
[1:06] <shiftplusone> (aside from it being illegal)
[1:06] <\\Mr_C\\> yea, it could be used as a jammer
[1:06] <shiftplusone> or garage door opener (using the harmonics it spews)
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[1:08] <thomas_r> you know, a bug tracker would be useful
[1:08] <shiftplusone> for?
[1:08] <shiftplusone> the pi?
[1:08] <thomas_r> redmine / jira. jira would mean i'd have to get java up and running which i'd imagine would be slow
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[1:09] <shiftplusone> ah, for you... I thought you were suggesting the pi should have one... which it does >_<
[1:09] <thomas_r> yeah, for me
[1:09] <thomas_r> i figure, even though gitlab has one, there may be times where i'm not committing stuff that i need to bug track
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[1:14] <thomas_r> does model b have wifi built in?
[1:15] <\\Mr_C\\> is there a way to hook a mic to the pi?
[1:15] <\\Mr_C\\> besides a usb one
[1:17] <\\Mr_C\\> i want to transmit my voice over fm
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[1:19] <shiftplusone> thomas_r, no wifi built in
[1:19] <shiftplusone> \\Mr_C\\, kind of.
[1:20] <shiftplusone> http://www.element14.com/community/community/raspberry-pi/raspberry-pi-accessories/wolfson_pi
[1:20] <\\Mr_C\\> that guide for the fm transmitter talks of usb mic
[1:20] <\\Mr_C\\> which i dont have
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[1:23] <\\Mr_C\\> oh, i could use a usb cam that has a mic in it right?
[1:23] <shiftplusone> usb and audio don't always mix well on the pi, but in theory, yes.
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[1:29] <phelix> When whatcing video using omxplayer on the pi and the s-video sometimes I can see text from the console above and below the picture. Anyone know how I could fix this?
[1:29] <shiftplusone> blank the screen before opening the video
[1:29] <phelix> how do you do that?
[1:29] <ffledgling> Does wiringPi have a manpage?
[1:29] <shiftplusone> could add a wrapper for omxplayer that does it
[1:29] <phelix> clear ?
[1:30] <shiftplusone> nuh, not clear
[1:30] <phelix> I am using emulation station to launch omxplayer.
[1:30] <shiftplusone> sec... should be a setterm for of command
[1:30] <phelix> but I could maybe add it to the command=
[1:30] <shiftplusone> Don't know anything about it.
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[1:31] <shiftplusone> this sort of thing http://www.raspberrypi.org/forums/viewtopic.php?f=35&t=9789
[1:31] <phelix> ahh ok
[1:31] <phelix> Where do I add that ?
[1:31] <shiftplusone> clear; setterm -cursor off; omxplayer $1; setterm -cursor on;
[1:32] <shiftplusone> I don't know about emulationstation, so I can't help there.
[1:32] <phelix> are these omxplayer commands?
[1:32] <shiftplusone> http://www.raspberrypi.org/forums/viewtopic.php?f=28&t=25312
[1:32] <shiftplusone> just commands
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[1:36] <ShorTie> pluged my nh3 sensor in to play with, boy the 7805 was getting hot .. :/~
[1:38] <ShorTie> need heat sink i guess
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[1:38] <shiftplusone> how much is it dissipating? (what's the input voltage and current?)
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[1:44] <thomas_r> mhh, my tv has a usb input that lets me view video/pics/audio without any other software, so a media solution would be pointless, i'd just need a fileserver i guess
[1:45] <shiftplusone> then maybe buying a proper NAS is the way to go.
[1:46] <thomas_r> i like the hackiness of a pi
[1:46] <shiftplusone> fair enough
[1:46] <thomas_r> as is, i have a 1tb sat doing nothing, i have most of the leads, i'd only need a pi,sd card and a wifi dongle
[1:46] <thomas_r> so like £40 or so
[1:47] <ShorTie> it was 12v in, but i stuck a buck converter in to cut it to 7
[1:47] <thomas_r> i could then just upgrade to a usb hub when more drives are needed
[1:48] <ShorTie> not sure on the amps, was reading .12 on the 10 amp, but that doesn't seem right
[1:48] <ShorTie> it says around 900ma on the spec sheet
[1:48] <thomas_r> plus being able to set up gitlab on there would be damn useful. you can't do that on a nas can you?
[1:49] <shiftplusone> depends on the NAS, I suppose. The last one I had was very hackable.
[1:51] <thomas_r> mhh,lots of food for thought
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[1:53] <thomas_r> the good thing about the pi is i could whip it out and use it for something different if needed, then put it back
[1:53] <shiftplusone> Well, with a NAS, you could whip your pi out and do something different without losing the NAS, ey?
[1:54] <thomas_r> i don't have a pi atm!
[1:54] <shiftplusone> Then get one!
[1:54] <thomas_r> which i probably will - only to make a nas atm
[1:54] <shiftplusone> When you realize it doesn't make a good NAS, you'll have plenty of other uses for it.
[1:55] <thomas_r> oh, that bad huh?
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[1:55] <shiftplusone> not THAT bad, but people have different expectations.
[1:55] <thomas_r> i probably wouldn't
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[1:55] <thomas_r> the data transfer would be wireless
[1:55] <thomas_r> mainly data to the nas i guess as a dumping groudn
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[2:06] <lerd> Hello?
[2:06] <malfunct> hello
[2:07] <davor> can I cut the +5v lead and wire it to a 5V 2.1A DC power supply on this? http://www.ebay.com/itm/301050845392
[2:07] <davor> HDMI pin 18
[2:08] <pksato> why?
[2:08] <lerd> Well, I just gutted my old LG ENV Touch phone in hopes of trying to use the LCD screen and the keyboard on my Raspberry Pi, is it possible or did I just waste a phone?
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[2:10] <davor> pksato, to avoid the potential problems described here http://elinux.org/RPi_VerifiedPeripherals#HDMI-.3EVGA_converter_boxes
[2:10] <pksato> lerd: Is not possible.
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[2:10] <lerd> Are you serious?
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[2:11] <pksato> davor: d1 get little hot, and some voltage drop, but converter work fine. On some case, need to power monitor fist.
[2:11] <pksato> lerd: yes.
[2:12] <pksato> But, not impossible. :)
[2:12] <lerd> Are you sure there is no way to do this?
[2:12] <pksato> a simple way. no.
[2:13] <davor> pksato, I'd still like to avoid potential problems. would this work?
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[2:14] <pksato> davor: buy a external powered converter.
[2:14] <davor> I mean, isn't this exactly that? http://www.dx.com/p/hdmi-male-to-hdmi-female-adapter-w-power-input-port-black-155361
[2:14] <davor> those things are a lot more expensive than the modification
[2:15] <ShorTie> you get what you pay for
[2:16] <davor> true. I can't think of a reason why this wouldn't work though
[2:17] <ShorTie> i believe it's more then just the lack of 5v
[2:17] <pksato> no, it is only a adapter.
[2:18] <pksato> or, power injector adapter.
[2:18] <ShorTie> think there needs to be some elctronics in it to work right for the pi
[2:18] <davor> the elinux page only describes an issue with the Pi not being able to supply enough current
[2:18] <davor> that is, the adapter is sometimes drawing too much
[2:19] <davor> otherwise, it should work as it has a chip that actually does analog-digital conversion
[2:19] <pksato> http://www.dx.com/p/1080p-mini-hdmi-hdmi-to-vga-3-5mm-audio-video-converter-w-usb-5v-power-supply-white-271676#.U0NAdle7H8s
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[2:19] <davor> that's three times more expensive than the one I am planning on buying
[2:21] <pksato> or, jump d1 on rpi board.
[2:21] <davor> http://www.raspberrypi.org/forums/viewtopic.php?f=28&t=9819
[2:21] <davor> that's what I'm worried about ^
[2:21] <davor> that doesn't seem like a good idea
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[2:21] <davor> I'd get a higher-current schottky if I could find one that fits
[2:22] <davor> there is one listed on elinux, but I have no way of getting one that won't come out to at least 50 USD
[2:22] <davor> for *one*
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[2:22] <davor> because I live on Mars apparently and that's how much shipping costs. anywhere between 50 and 120 USD
[2:22] <davor> for a 0.42 USD diode
[2:22] <pksato> or, wire external 5v on converter box.
[2:23] <davor> well I'd like to wire 5v to the adapter I linked
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[2:23] <davor> http://www.ebay.com/itm/301050845392 < that one
[2:23] <pksato> but, the task is not easy.
[2:23] <davor> why not?
[2:24] <pksato> inside a box have a mess of wires.
[2:25] <davor> seems I just need to unwrap the cable or take the box apart, cut the right lead, connect +5v to the +5v lead coming out of the VGA side, wire the power supply's gnd to the adapter's gnd and done deal
[2:25] <davor> shouldn't be too difficult to figure out which is which
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[2:26] <davor> do I need a schottky diode on the +5v line from the power supply, or a cap between +5v and gnd?
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[2:27] <ShorTie> those 2 things are not even close
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[2:28] <ShorTie> diode blocks voltage and a cap stores voltage, like opposites
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[2:29] <davor> I thought I'd put a diode on the +5v line as a precaution, schottky so I don't get a massive voltage drop
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[2:29] <ShorTie> but cutting the wire is the altimate diode
[2:29] <pksato> internal photo of hdmi to vga https://lh6.googleusercontent.com/-q0f4RbraQrs/ULVcEvFDYbI/AAAAAAAAByE/YOcjSjBtzdg/w800-h534-no/hdmi2vga_03.jpg
[2:29] <davor> not that 5v
[2:29] <davor> 5v from the power supply
[2:30] <davor> and a cap between that and gnd as well
[2:30] <davor> mm, thanks pksato
[2:30] <pksato> cut 5v from hdmi, and connect 5v ang gnd from external power direct to bard.
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[2:31] <davor> that sounds good
[2:31] <davor> do I need a cap as a filter though?
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[2:31] <pksato> no
[2:31] <davor> or a diode on the 5v line?
[2:31] <pksato> if using a good psu.
[2:31] <pksato> no
[2:31] <pksato> cut wire from hdmi.
[2:32] <pksato> and not connect to any thing.
[2:32] <davor> yeah I meant on the 5v line from the power supply
[2:32] <davor> I'd leave the 5v line from the pi hanging
[2:32] <davor> not connected to anything
[2:32] <davor> the power supply is a cheap 5v 2.1a "tablet charger"
[2:32] <davor> which would have the task of powering the Pi as well
[2:32] <pksato> or, use 5V from gpio header,
[2:33] <pksato> converter need only 140mA.
[2:33] <pksato> or twice.
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[2:33] <davor> 5v from the gpio header sounds good. it's a direct connection to the power supply afaik too
[2:34] <davor> that's good then
[2:34] <davor> thanks
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[4:58] <blockh34d> got a nice sturdy prototype cobbled together here
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[4:59] <blockh34d> stacked cardboard + HVAC vent tape eventually becomes pretty sturdy
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[5:03] <happygilmoregent> anyone here a ham?
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[5:15] <AbbyTheRat> blockh34d: sounds interesting, any pictures? :)
[5:15] <AbbyTheRat> a ham? I don't think ham ever got smart enough or alive enough to talk and type o_o;
[5:16] <Xark> Perhaps a few turkeys though... :)
[5:16] <blockh34d> soon :)
[5:16] <blockh34d> it is pretty sweet looking
[5:17] <AbbyTheRat> happygilmoregent left anyway, ha
[5:17] <blockh34d> i ham it up
[5:17] <AbbyTheRat> blockh34d: soo anyway.. I'm looking at building the parts I need for my project, I figured I need registers and stuff but I'm like, blank. <_<
[5:17] <blockh34d> dunno if that counts
[5:17] <blockh34d> hmm well what do you know so far?
[5:18] <blockh34d> can you get the display to post?
[5:18] <AbbyTheRat> post? o_o I think you think I'm futher ahead in my project then I actually am :)
[5:18] <blockh34d> oh i see
[5:18] <blockh34d> hmm
[5:19] <blockh34d> well i would try plugging stuff in without a case at first and make it all work strewn out mishmash at first
[5:19] <blockh34d> i'm liking stacked cardboard to prototype with
[5:19] <AbbyTheRat> I haven't ordered my LED screen yet and I need some wires and whatever parts I need to safely read the data from the clock that I need to reverse engineer and that I don't know what I need too
[5:19] <blockh34d> liek you were making a hollow book secret hiding spot, same basic idea for making a case for almost anything
[5:19] <AbbyTheRat> I already got a case in mind, I'm not worried about that
[5:19] <AbbyTheRat> just, I don't even have wires yet :P
[5:20] <blockh34d> i'm using the wires you use to hook up a computers front panel
[5:20] <blockh34d> they already have a jumper style hookup
[5:20] <blockh34d> pretty convienent
[5:20] <AbbyTheRat> *raise eyebrow* soo, a cobbleboard?
[5:21] <AbbyTheRat> a bunch of registers and stuff?
[5:21] <AbbyTheRat> 5, 10 and what have you?
[5:21] <blockh34d> a cobble board? is that like a breadboard?
[5:21] <AbbyTheRat> oh yeah, I mean that
[5:21] <blockh34d> by register what do you mean?
[5:21] <AbbyTheRat> <_<;;
[5:21] <AbbyTheRat> resisters**
[5:21] <blockh34d> i'm used to register meaning a space in memory you access with assembler
[5:22] <blockh34d> but maybe theres language differences at play
[5:22] <AbbyTheRat> this is what I get when I'm not looking at what I'm typing up
[5:22] <AbbyTheRat> I'm talking about hardware, not software.. I don't have any parts right now other then the pi itself
[5:22] <blockh34d> careful with breadboards
[5:22] <blockh34d> at high frequency they kinda fall apart
[5:22] <blockh34d> display hookups are a high frequency signal
[5:23] <blockh34d> whats a register?
[5:23] <blockh34d> can you link to a picture?
[5:23] <AbbyTheRat> nothing to wire up the clock to to read stuff
[5:23] <AbbyTheRat> I mean resisters
[5:23] <AbbyTheRat> not register
[5:23] <blockh34d> i think i call it something else, not used to that term
[5:23] <blockh34d> oh i see
[5:23] <blockh34d> ah right makes a lot more sense now
[5:23] <AbbyTheRat> yes.. Sorry. As I said, that's what I get for typing without proof reading
[5:23] <blockh34d> no worries, got it figured out now
[5:24] <blockh34d> i am honestly not sure how you should go about hooking up that display
[5:24] <blockh34d> its so weird using found stuff sometimes
[5:24] <blockh34d> really hard to know how to interface to things
[5:24] <AbbyTheRat> I know at the very least I need this https://www.adafruit.com/products/498 and some resisters but honestly, this is my first eletritoic project so maybe I should just look at digikey and get a bunch for future projects
[5:24] <blockh34d> like is it 5v? 3.3v? hard to say
[5:24] <AbbyTheRat> 5v I'm pretty sure
[5:25] <AbbyTheRat> says so on the label on the back of the clock screen
[5:25] <blockh34d> i feel like you're going to have better luck just getting a little cheapo display like a car reverse cam display
[5:25] <blockh34d> for maybe 20 bucks
[5:25] <AbbyTheRat> camera != Display?
[5:25] <blockh34d> and use that to have a control situation, so you know 'with this display plugged in, it should definately work'
[5:25] <blockh34d> well its for cars reverse cameras
[5:25] <AbbyTheRat> oh, right
[5:25] <blockh34d> so you can see it in the drivers seat etc
[5:25] <blockh34d> small little tv basically
[5:26] <AbbyTheRat> I missed the last word.. slow down! :D
[5:26] <blockh34d> i think it'd be a really good investment
[5:26] <AbbyTheRat> Yeah, nah, I don't want a full on display.
[5:26] <blockh34d> but i understand how shoestring budgets work
[5:26] <AbbyTheRat> https://www.adafruit.com/products/498 <- is what I want and there's support and docs for it
[5:26] <blockh34d> oh ok
[5:26] <blockh34d> yah i didnt mean to use the display in your project
[5:26] <blockh34d> just to help you figure out your project
[5:26] <blockh34d> you'd keep the display for other hackage i imagine
[5:27] <AbbyTheRat> then I Want to reverse engineer a clock display I found cause I like the whole style and it display like a clock face with hands
[5:27] <blockh34d> i would ask in #electronics too btw
[5:27] <blockh34d> they are pretty helpful and knowledgable
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[5:27] <AbbyTheRat> but but I trust you guys more D:
[5:27] <blockh34d> right on
[5:27] <blockh34d> yah its easy for strangers to troll those looking for help
[5:27] <AbbyTheRat> I feel too much like a newbie when I'm like "yo, er.. what would be a good starter kit for "
[5:27] <blockh34d> 'just plug it into the wall' etc etc
[5:27] <AbbyTheRat> etc etc
[5:27] <blockh34d> etc etc
[5:27] <blockh34d> lol
[5:28] <blockh34d> yah good thinking, best keep your cards held close a while
[5:28] <blockh34d> till you can tell good input from bad
[5:29] <blockh34d> i wonder whats good to stick foam to cardboard
[5:29] <blockh34d> super glue? wood glue?
[5:30] <blockh34d> i miss my hot glue gun
[5:30] <blockh34d> gotta go get another, that things the best
[5:30] <AbbyTheRat> yeah that might be something I'm going to get
[5:31] <blockh34d> i hate to be like 'you should buy this this and this'... but seriously, do consider getting a hot glue gun
[5:31] <blockh34d> for what you're doing, its a fairly essential tool imo
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[5:33] <blockh34d> have you ever thought about starting a kickstarter campaign to finance your self-education? supplies etc
[5:33] <blockh34d> no perks etc
[5:33] <blockh34d> just 'hey can i have some free money? i want to learn'
[5:33] <blockh34d> i think you might be surprised the support you could find with a decent pitch video etc
[5:34] <blockh34d> cause you need some stuff and its not free
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[5:34] <AbbyTheRat> yeahhhhh.. I'm not going to do so great there :D
[5:34] <AbbyTheRat> cause reasons
[5:34] <blockh34d> well even a typed pitch
[5:34] <blockh34d> if you have special circumstances, describe them, they may help
[5:35] <blockh34d> people want to help, some people want to help and have giant rooms full of money
[5:35] <AbbyTheRat> I'm just worried that if I do that, they go and do google research on me
[5:35] <AbbyTheRat> and last thing I want is something to be thrown around
[5:35] <AbbyTheRat> I have a past and it's very visible.
[5:35] <blockh34d> i dont think that should rule out the possibility of crowd funding
[5:35] <blockh34d> everyones got a past
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[5:35] <blockh34d> as long as youre not secretly a clone of hitler or something, probably ok
[5:36] <AbbyTheRat> it also feels like then I have a commitment to people. Yeah, I'm not great for asking for money ^^ I feel so guity
[5:37] <AbbyTheRat> Soo many buttons at digikey!
[5:37] <blockh34d> its what kickstarter is for
[5:37] <blockh34d> yah no shortage
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[5:45] <blockh34d> think sandwiching a rpi between two layers of foam would create a heat issue?
[5:45] <blockh34d> i'm cutting the foam out at the top side so the hookups poke through it, so it sits right on the chip...
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[5:46] <phire> maybe...
[5:46] <phire> really depends on the load you put on it
[5:46] <blockh34d> yah i figure i will be maxing out the chip constantly in use
[5:46] <phire> only one way to find out
[5:46] <blockh34d> maybe i should keep it underclocked
[5:47] <blockh34d> meticulous research and scientific principle?
[5:47] <blockh34d> lol seen that robot chicken?
[5:47] <blockh34d> 'whats the purple stuff taste like?' 'Only one way to find out!' -> (weeks of research)
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[5:49] <blockh34d> would it be creepy for my headset to hold itself onto your face with suction and not much else?
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[5:49] <blockh34d> like if it just sucked down on your whole face until it made a good seal
[5:51] <blockh34d> main hotspot on rpi is the main chip right?
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[5:52] <blockh34d> or maybe some other gadget on board?
[5:53] <AbbyTheRat> as far as I notice, the main chip
[5:54] <AbbyTheRat> hold on, my pi up and running
[5:54] <AbbyTheRat> *pokes chips*
[5:54] <blockh34d> careful
[5:54] <blockh34d> easier to short than you may think
[5:54] <blockh34d> well n/m thats not a valid concern
[5:54] <AbbyTheRat> ow, that one hot
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[5:54] <blockh34d> ouch ok not worth it i'll just look it up!
[5:55] <AbbyTheRat> it's just caught me by surprise, that's all
[5:55] <AbbyTheRat> not hot enough to actually burn
[5:55] <blockh34d> yah that'd be surprising if it was
[5:55] <AbbyTheRat> seems like anything that's stick up from the board is warm to touch except for connections
[5:55] <blockh34d> kinda surprised it would even get hot enough to be uncomfortable
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[5:56] <AbbyTheRat> the hottest one is the small chip
[5:56] <blockh34d> hmm ok
[5:56] <blockh34d> well thanks a lot for testing!
[5:56] <blockh34d> worrys me your method tho
[5:56] <AbbyTheRat> P3
[5:56] <blockh34d> probably not good practice
[5:56] <AbbyTheRat> not really, no. I know that ^^;
[5:56] <AbbyTheRat> my hand is bone dry
[5:57] <blockh34d> yah you know what you're doing so i'm not too worried
[5:57] <blockh34d> but sometimes weird unexpected things happen
[5:57] <blockh34d> just easier not to take chances if you dont need to
[5:57] <AbbyTheRat> I don't have a laser temo, thou
[5:57] <blockh34d> soon i hope to have extensive thermal vision
[5:57] <blockh34d> i will be THE MAN at finding hotspots
[5:58] <AbbyTheRat> xD
[5:58] <blockh34d> i think i will be able to see footprints
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[5:58] <blockh34d> some time later
[5:58] <AbbyTheRat> become a firefighter then <_<
[5:58] <blockh34d> already an emt
[5:58] <blockh34d> i gave serious thought to ff
[5:58] <blockh34d> but theres a lot of not super smart guys that want to be FF and can be great ones
[5:58] <blockh34d> they can not necessarily be EMT's though
[5:58] <blockh34d> so i think maybe emt better fit for me
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[5:59] <blockh34d> i'll run into that fire too if need be though
[6:00] <blockh34d> i have thought this could be good for firefighting
[6:00] <blockh34d> some day it may be a completely closed system
[6:00] <blockh34d> climate controlled
[6:00] <blockh34d> air/water tight etc
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[6:14] <AbbyTheRat> true.. but a system like that is already being used thou :)
[6:14] <blockh34d> yah but i dont have one ;)
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[6:15] <blockh34d> ...yet
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[6:17] <AbbyTheRat> I keep thinking about being an paramedic too but I don't think I can handle the hours anymore :)
[6:17] <AbbyTheRat> bad sleeping = a unhappy Abby
[6:17] <blockh34d> i only have my certification, i have never had a job as emt
[6:18] <blockh34d> some tests you can't study for an i will always fail them
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[6:28] <AbbyTheRat> like what?
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[6:29] <[Saint]> Huh. Not really on topic, but, Ubuntu's Startup Disk Creator is really bloody nice.
[6:30] <Jusii> so they have finally fixed it?
[6:30] <[Saint]> Start, point at .iso, point at disk, select size of persistence file (if wanted), click the go button....bam, 2 minutes later a bootable USB.
[6:30] <Jusii> it used to end in some error for a long time
[6:31] <Jusii> and just a short FYI, you can dd ubuntu.iso to usb stick and it boots
[6:31] <[Saint]> Oh I know.
[6:31] <[Saint]> But its a bit of a PITA if you want a persistence file as well.
[6:31] <[Saint]> This does that magic for me in a trivial timespace.
[6:31] <Jusii> ah
[6:32] <Jusii> and winusb is a great tool if you need to make winX bootable usb stick
[6:32] <[Saint]> And yes, I do vaguely recall the error you mentioned.
[6:32] <[Saint]> But yes, it is working now.
[6:32] <Jusii> great
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[6:33] <[Saint]> A lot faster than I remember it being, too. But maybe my system has just progressed vastly since I last used it.
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[6:33] <[Saint]> Probably that, come to think of it.
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[6:49] <obnauticus> Does anyone here know of a good way to use a raspi as a print server frontend to a makerbot?
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[6:54] <AbbyTheRat> obnauticus: a quick google search come up with this - http://makezine.com/2013/11/27/makerbot-raspberrypi-google-chrome-happymaker/ (I only scimmed thou the article)
[6:56] <obnauticus> AbbyTheRat this is more for an infrastructure envrionment. Basically I need to enable it with frontend auth, etc.
[6:57] <obnauticus> So a chrome extention will probably not be a good solution, octoprint is closer to what i would be looking for but I don't really want to reinvent the wheel.
[6:58] <AbbyTheRat> try google, I don't really have enough knowledge of makerbot to help you with your issue
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[7:09] <blockh34d> obnauticus: 'octopi'
[7:09] <blockh34d> its a project for controlling a 3d printer with a rpi
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[7:12] <clever> blockh34d: http://www.raspberrypi.org/raspberry-pi-compute-module-new-product/
[7:14] <blockh34d> oh neat, thanks
[7:14] <blockh34d> worst photo ever took? http://postimg.org/image/vvufe3j3p/7e6c02c3/ first image of my helmet/mask
[7:14] <clever> its just a mini-pi, without all of the headers
[7:14] <clever> make your own header board
[7:14] <blockh34d> oh perfect
[7:14] <blockh34d> thats exactly what i need
[7:15] <clever> http://www.raspberrypi.org/wp-content/uploads/2014/04/CM+IO-small.jpeg
[7:15] <clever> their example board
[7:15] <clever> BOTH camera ports are broken out, along with BOTH lcd ports!?!?
[7:15] <clever> jtag, host AND slave usb!
[7:15] <clever> more gpio then you can shake a stick at
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[7:15] <clever> hdmi
[7:16] <blockh34d> thats sweet
[7:16] <blockh34d> i'll be picking up a couple of those for sure
[7:16] <clever> it saves you from the headache of package on package junk and sourcing bare bcm2835's
[7:16] <blockh34d> helmet almost working
[7:16] <clever> while letting you customize the rest
[7:16] <blockh34d> yah or desoldering stuff
[7:17] <clever> it also gives you more then a stock pi
[7:17] <clever> a second camera and dsi port (will need blob support)
[7:17] <blockh34d> yah, 4 gig memory on board
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[7:17] <clever> and usb slave mode
[7:17] <blockh34d> wait what?!?
[7:17] <blockh34d> 2 camera ports?
[7:17] <clever> yes
[7:17] <blockh34d> !!!
[7:17] <clever> and thats 4gig of flash, not ram
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[7:17] <clever> oh yeah, your project needs 2 cams
[7:17] <blockh34d> yes that is a big help maybe
[7:18] <blockh34d> but i also need two displays so right now its ok
[7:18] <clever> they appear to have replaced the SD card with an onboard flash module
[7:18] <blockh34d> one pi per eye
[7:18] <clever> it has 2 DSI ports also
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[7:18] <clever> once the blob adds drivers, your set
[7:18] <blockh34d> so can handle dual outputs?!?
[7:18] <blockh34d> OMG
[7:18] * blockh34d passes out
[7:18] <clever> 3 outputs at once, maybe 4
[7:18] <clever> dsi, dsi, hdmi, composite
[7:18] <blockh34d> holy spit, perfect
[7:18] <clever> depending on hardware limitations
[7:18] <blockh34d> gonna have to redesign the helmet
[7:18] <clever> its got the headers for it on that dev board
[7:19] <blockh34d> that's sweet
[7:19] <clever> so its purely a matter of can the chip enable both at once?
[7:19] <blockh34d> i'm going to have to figure out that dispmanx via ssh thing you were talking about earlier
[7:19] <clever> dispmanx works over ssh exactly the same way it does at the console
[7:19] <clever> and its actualy safer over ssh
[7:19] <clever> if you scramble the display and cant see crap
[7:19] <blockh34d> but for now each pi can handle its own display with simple raspicam preview
[7:19] <clever> it CANT cover ssh up
[7:20] <blockh34d> see i just dont know dispmanx enough to know what any of this means
[7:20] <blockh34d> i need to read man dispmanx i think
[7:20] <clever> find the demo in /opt and run it
[7:20] <blockh34d> i know it exists, thats all
[7:21] <blockh34d> ok will do
[7:21] <clever> it only takes 3 minutes
[7:21] <blockh34d> thanks a lot btw
[7:21] <blockh34d> you're helping me out a lot with stuff already, seems like you know this stuff really well man, way to go
[7:21] <clever> the biggest unknown i can see is 2 things
[7:22] <clever> a: how do you program that 4gig flash chip?
[7:22] <clever> you cant just pop it into an SD reader like a normal pi
[7:22] <clever> b: is it MTD?
[7:22] <blockh34d> whats MTD mean?
[7:22] <obnauticus> blockh34d i've seen octopi but it does not have any support for authentication
[7:22] <clever> basicaly, flash memory on the physical address bus
[7:22] <clever> so you can read it like normal ram
[7:23] <clever> MTD is a linux driver/mode to treat that ram as a block disk
[7:23] <clever> and there are specialized flash filesystems that only work on MTD
[7:23] <clever> it likely lacks wear leveling
[7:23] <clever> so you MUST use the right filesystem, or youll burn out the flash quickly
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[7:27] <clever> blockh34d: the comments also talk of the stereo camera setup
[7:27] <blockh34d> all very interesting
[7:28] <clever> yeah
[7:28] <blockh34d> this is neat stuff for sure
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[7:28] <blockh34d> also someone just showed me a link for stereo slide viewers, about 30 bucks, i can get the critical optics for the headset from it
[7:28] <clever> ive heard elsewhere, that the boot rom in the VPU is capable of booting off of normal flash (the compute module)
[7:28] <blockh34d> i've been unsure where to get the lenses from
[7:28] <clever> usb slave (only the compute module)
[7:28] <clever> and sd cards (the pi)
[7:29] <blockh34d> what would be the fastest possible way to get it or any pi booted?
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[7:29] <blockh34d> and how long do you think that could be trimmed down to?
[7:29] <clever> the onboard flash would likely be faster then an SD card
[7:29] <clever> it looks to be a parallel interface
[7:29] <clever> after that, just standard linux bootup performance tricks
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[7:30] <clever> from glancing over the posts on the page, i think i see how you program the 4gig flash chip
[7:30] <clever> if you plug the pi into a pc running special software, it will hijack the boot loader
[7:30] <blockh34d> maybe its a usb drive?
[7:30] <blockh34d> ah i see
[7:30] <clever> and stuff a mass storage slave into the bcm2835 cpu, over the bootloader
[7:30] <blockh34d> i thought maybe it'd show up to windows like any other flash drive
[7:31] <clever> until you unplug it
[7:31] <clever> then it will likely share the 4gig chip like a normal usb stick
[7:31] <clever> thats my guess
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[7:31] <clever> you would need a program on windows that can talk to the bootloader, and pass over the arm code to turn it into a usb stick
[7:32] <clever> you know how a bootloader works?
[7:33] <blockh34d> hmm sorta?
[7:33] <blockh34d> i should say no
[7:33] <blockh34d> i'm familiar with the term
[7:33] <clever> there is a small bootloader program in a rom, on the main cpu die
[7:34] <blockh34d> k
[7:34] <clever> that is the very first thing to run when you power it up, sort of like a bios
[7:34] <clever> in the case of the compute module, it seems to check usb for the proper software
[7:34] <clever> and after a timeout, it runs whatever is on the 4gig flash module
[7:34] <Xark> clever: I read that the eMMC is fairly similar to SD and it is hooked up to same SD card lines as RPi. Also comments on foundation forum, confirm that there is a RPi program that will flash the eMMC via USB (bootloader).
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[7:34] <clever> Xark: yeah, thats what i saw on these comments
[7:35] <blockh34d> cool that all sounds really awesome
[7:35] <clever> i'm just not sure if its eMMC, raw flash, or soemthing else yet?
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[7:35] <blockh34d> i'm sure people will be making lots of neat daughter boards to this
[7:35] <clever> blockh34d: in the case of the pi, the bootloader grabs bootcode.bin off an SD card and just runs that
[7:35] <clever> bootcode.bin then handles start.elf
[7:35] <Xark> clever: The engineer in the comments called it eMMC and said it is "sometimes faster sometimes slower" than SD (I just hope it is more reliable).
[7:35] <clever> start.elf handles linux, video decode, and all that fun stuff
[7:36] <clever> Xark: ah
[7:36] <blockh34d> yah i hope its not as flakey as sd cards seem to be
[7:36] * Xark notes it was the article text "...4Gbyte eMMC Flash device (which is the equivalent of the SD card in the Pi)."
[7:36] <clever> blockh34d: most of that is just due to the connectors i think
[7:36] <blockh34d> cause what do you do when that goes south? its a brick? thats no fun
[7:37] <clever> thats soldered in, so it cant come unplugged
[7:37] <blockh34d> oh cool
[7:37] <blockh34d> so its shakey connections that messes up sdcards you think?
[7:37] <Xark> clever: Right. BGA, so not fun to swap out. :)
[7:37] <blockh34d> stands to reason
[7:37] <clever> Xark: would it have internal wear leveling like SD?
[7:37] <Xark> blockh34d: Also quality is a crapshoot.
[7:38] <Xark> clever: I am almost sure it will. I don't think it is a "raw" flash device.
[7:38] <clever> Xark: no MTD fun then?
[7:38] <blockh34d> i didnt think SD had wear leveling
[7:38] <blockh34d> it does?
[7:38] <blockh34d> thats great news to me
[7:38] <clever> blockh34d: its in the specs i believe
[7:38] <Xark> Yep
[7:39] <clever> but cheaper cards may omit it for cost savings?
[7:39] <clever> dont get cheap stuff :P
[7:39] <AbbyTheRat> Hmm, anyone up for recommending a part list that's good for a starting beginner in eletrotics? what would be some stuff I need?
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[7:39] <Xark> AbbyTheRat: Perhaps you might want to pick a project, then get what you need for that?
[7:40] <clever> blockh34d: a comment confirms, the demo board also has composite video out
[7:40] <clever> blockh34d: its on one of the many pins
[7:40] <blockh34d> so someone could do hdmi/composite simulataneous you think?
[7:41] <blockh34d> hey is there any way to do that now?
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[7:41] <Xark> AbbyTheRat: However, there are kits like https://www.adafruit.com/products/955?gclid=CKPa4emW0L0CFcRefgodjXoAlQ
[7:41] <blockh34d> with seperate images i mean?
[7:41] <clever> blockh34d: not sure, the current API in the blob just doesnt allow it
[7:41] <clever> but it may just be a software limitation in that blob code
[7:41] <blockh34d> yah seems like in a perfect world, it'd be doable
[7:41] <blockh34d> futures a big place, who knows
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[7:42] <blockh34d> i wonder what kind of audio stuff someone could do with that
[7:42] <blockh34d> like mixer applications or maybe realtime fx
[7:42] <clever> blockh34d: you seen the adafruit board?
[7:42] <blockh34d> with the audio breakouts?
[7:43] <clever> the full i2s audio board
[7:43] <AbbyTheRat> Xark: I do, so far I got that I want https://www.adafruit.com/products/498, I got a Junk LCD clock (with the clock) that I want to reverse engineer and use for my project, I believe it's a serial connection with 4v5, and 5 buttons (I'm think metal, plunger and illuminated
[7:43] <blockh34d> i've seen the one with a line in, some other line out i think, something else
[7:43] <blockh34d> what about faders though? think someone could set that up with rpi?
[7:43] <AbbyTheRat> right now, I have the pi, no wires, no resisters, nothing
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[7:43] <blockh34d> like adjustable levels for multiple audio sources
[7:44] <blockh34d> from hardware input... all sounds pretty doable
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[7:44] <clever> blockh34d: cant seem to refind it though
[7:44] <clever> blockh34d: i also saw an HDMI input module
[7:44] <blockh34d> someone could probably make half a sound studio out of a few rpi's
[7:44] <blockh34d> oh really? that's awesome
[7:44] <clever> https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/1419380698/connect-your-hd-camcorder-to-your-raspberry-pi?ref=users
[7:44] <blockh34d> i think about ganging many lores cams into one hdmi
[7:44] <clever> it converts the HDMI to CSI
[7:45] <blockh34d> to input and then process in mass
[7:45] <clever> and jams it in the camera port
[7:45] <blockh34d> that's awesome, i was just thinking someone should do that
[7:45] <clever> oh, and it also has i2s audio
[7:45] <blockh34d> yah if i could get it processing lots of cams at once, maybe i could do a realtime google streetview sort of thing
[7:46] <Xark> AbbyTheRat: Interesting. Probably not too difficult to wire that to RPi, but you may need voltage level translation (as RPi is 3.3v and Arduino and I believe that LCD is 5v). What parts/functionality do you hope to get from your salvaged clock?
[7:47] <blockh34d> at first i thought 2 cams would be ok but now i wonder if 16 will be enough
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[7:47] <blockh34d> 2 picams per card would let me use these IR pi-cams along with regular
[7:47] <blockh34d> so my nightvision will be really hires too
[7:47] <clever> :D
[7:47] <blockh34d> i have 2 ir picams and 2 regular
[7:48] <AbbyTheRat> Xark - just it's LCD display
[7:48] <blockh34d> thought i'd be easier to wire up two at once, live and learn
[7:48] <AbbyTheRat> it basically Blue with black, has a clock hands
[7:48] <AbbyTheRat> and numbers
[7:48] <AbbyTheRat> Xark, can I show you the pictures of the clock in question
[7:49] <Xark> AbbyTheRat: Yes, but not sure I will be the one to know how to interface with it (not clueless about hardware stuff, but mainly a software person).
[7:49] <clever> blockh34d: http://www.raspberrypi.org/wp-content/uploads/2014/04/RPI-CMIO-V1_2-SCHEMATIC.pdf page 2, top right corner
[7:49] <AbbyTheRat> Xark - http://imgur.com/a/MZbbA basically,I want to steal the LCD stuff
[7:50] <AbbyTheRat> second picture is the back of the LCD when I take it off the clock mainboard
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[7:51] <Xark> AbbyTheRat: Neat. Nice of them to label the inputs. :)
[7:52] <clever> blockh34d: ah, i see a usb switching thing on page 3, U5
[7:52] <AbbyTheRat> Xark: it what gave me the idea of attempting to reverse engineer it :)
[7:53] <clever> blockh34d: it appears to default to the host usb jack, but if you connect something to the micro (slave port) that takes prio
[7:53] <clever> and the D+/D- cant clash
[7:53] <blockh34d> clever: lookin
[7:53] <AbbyTheRat> since I just need to make sure the voltage and is right and record what I get from the mainboard then use those signals for the clock when I attach it to my project
[7:53] <blockh34d> neat document
[7:54] <AbbyTheRat> Xark: same for me as well, I'm a software girl
[7:54] <clever> blockh34d: http://www.raspberrypi.org/wp-content/uploads/2014/04/RPI-CM-V1_1-SCHEMATIC.pdf
[7:54] <Xark> AbbyTheRat: Still could be tricky to know the details about the protocol. Does the clock still work? You might want to get a cheap logic analyzer to capture the data sent to the display...(something like http://www.seeedstudio.com/depot/Logic-Pirate-p-1750.html )
[7:54] <clever> blockh34d: the second pdf details the compute module itself, listing every pin on the chip and where it goes on the sodimm
[7:54] <AbbyTheRat> you can see from the album that the clock still works, Xark :P
[7:54] <blockh34d> neat
[7:55] <blockh34d> i love how open rpi is
[7:55] <Xark> AbbyTheRat: I can see it did at the time of some of the photos. :)
[7:55] <AbbyTheRat> would I need to know the protocal if I'm only using the LCD display?
[7:55] <clever> blockh34d: the schematics are, but the chip still has a lot of dark corners
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[7:55] <blockh34d> i bet, but that theres any transparency at all is already pretty notable i think
[7:55] <clever> yeah
[7:55] <Xark> AbbyTheRat: Some of the displays I have need to be sent a bunch of "gibberish" to start operating (presumably internal settings or something).
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[7:56] <blockh34d> can't wait to print out better camera mounts
[7:56] <blockh34d> for the picams
[7:56] <clever> blockh34d: there is also a decent chance you could run it off a single LIPO without any boost regulator
[7:56] <clever> if you dont want usb
[7:56] <Xark> AbbyTheRat: That one may be simple though...but much easier to see what it is doing than to just "guess" all the permutations.
[7:56] <blockh34d> depends on how many cams i can get in without usb
[7:56] <clever> blockh34d: the bcm2835 will take as little as 2.5v, and use that to internally generate its own voltages
[7:57] <Xark> AbbyTheRat: I tried Googling the number on the back, but no hits (or I am misreading it). If you had an exact data-sheet then you wouldn't need to reverse engineer.
[7:57] <blockh34d> if that hdmi could be used to input a gang of 4x4 or maybe even 5x5 low-def inputs... maybe no usb needed
[7:57] <blockh34d> man that is just perfect for what i'm trying to do
[7:57] <AbbyTheRat> yep, so I what I Was thinking was connecting it to my pi and recording what happens with what effect
[7:57] <AbbyTheRat> so what parts would I need to do that and stuff
[7:57] <AbbyTheRat> Xark: yeah I tried :)
[7:57] <AbbyTheRat> that*
[7:57] <AbbyTheRat> the number on the back is the model of the clock
[7:58] <blockh34d> i wonder if my headset could output 3d encoded video compatible with tv sets with that feature
[7:58] <clever> blockh34d: acording to text on page 3, there is no timeout in the bootloader
[7:58] <clever> to decide between emmc or usb
[7:58] <blockh34d> whats that mean?
[7:58] <Xark> AbbyTheRat: Hmm, that is possible, but RPi doesn't make the best logic analyzer (Linux not real time etc.).
[7:58] <clever> one of the jumpers appears to disconnect an emmc signal line
[7:58] <clever> causing emmc to just hard-fail
[7:58] <blockh34d> yah theres a boot from usb jumper it looks like
[7:58] <clever> so it then instantly gives up and tries usb booting
[7:59] <clever> once in usb mode, it can override the failure
[7:59] <clever> and force read the emmc
[7:59] <Xark> AbbyTheRat: Do you have a multi-meter?
[7:59] <blockh34d> well thats pretty neat
[7:59] <clever> blockh34d: page 4 has the main pinout for the entire edge connector
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[8:00] <blockh34d> i hope they sell those edge connectors too
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[8:00] <blockh34d> i saw the development board, thats a good start
[8:00] <blockh34d> but maybe even more stripped down than that
[8:00] <AbbyTheRat> Xark: Yes. not that I know to use it correctly, I just used it mostly to trace down wires and check fuses <_<;;;;;
[8:00] <blockh34d> i guess someone could always solder directly to those pads too
[8:00] * AbbyTheRat is honest to a fault ;-;
[8:00] <blockh34d> not so hard, but it'd be nicer to use a socket i think
[8:01] <Xark> AbbyTheRat: Well, you might be able to use it to check the voltage on the clock, but I suspect you will want something like this https://www.adafruit.com/products/395 and avoid hooking your RPi GPIO up directly.
[8:01] <clever> blockh34d: its a standard connector you can get almost anywhere
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[8:01] <Xark> AbbyTheRat: While it said 4.5v, that may be for backlight (not clock logic).
[8:02] <blockh34d> clever: cool but even still it'd be nice to know it was the correct one because they confirmed that
[8:02] <AbbyTheRat> hence mutli-meter.. to check what voltage the outputs are?
[8:02] <clever> blockh34d: 'which fits into a standard DDR2 SODIMM connector'
[8:02] <blockh34d> when i have mail ordered ribbon connectors like that before i seem to get the measurements wrong pretty m cuh always
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[8:03] <Xark> AbbyTheRat: Yeah, see what VCC/GND is (might be hard to see voltage on e.g., clock or data line without scope).
[8:03] <clever> blockh34d: http://www.digikey.ca/product-search/en/connectors-interconnects/memory-connectors-inline-module-sockets/1442984?k=ddr2%20sodimm
[8:03] <AbbyTheRat> blockh34d: don't case, measure.. twice
[8:03] <blockh34d> cool that is pretty common
[8:03] <blockh34d> AbbyTheRat: yah good plan
[8:03] <AbbyTheRat> Hey, if you're willing to guide me through that, I'll do it <_<
[8:03] <AbbyTheRat> case? I mean guess
[8:03] <blockh34d> i figured
[8:04] <clever> blockh34d: starts as low as $4.60 for a single connector
[8:04] <blockh34d> yah maybe sodimm ddr2 -> circuit board with holes for each pin would be nice
[8:04] <blockh34d> so you could solder to that and still swap out the pi
[8:04] <Xark> AbbyTheRat: Well, if you don't know how to use DMM, not sure IRC makes sense for teaching that. :) However, the theory is to put the red probe on VCC and the black on GND with DMM set to voltage reading (like <12v).
[8:04] <clever> blockh34d: many things like hdmi need matched pairs to function right
[8:04] <blockh34d> but a proper designed board would be like you're saying
[8:04] <blockh34d> just get the socket
[8:04] <clever> blockh34d: and thats hard to do right when just using random wires
[8:05] <blockh34d> oh i bet
[8:05] <blockh34d> yah thats a good point weird cables probably messes hdmi right up
[8:05] <blockh34d> and stuff like that
[8:05] <AbbyTheRat> Xark: I know at least that ^^;
[8:05] <Xark> AbbyTheRat: The trick is to do this with the clock operating and try not to short things out. Depending on the physical layout, might be easy, might be really hard.
[8:05] <clever> blockh34d: http://www.te.com/commerce/DocumentDelivery/DDEController?Action=srchrtrv&DocNm=1473149&DocType=Customer+Drawing&DocLang=English
[8:06] <clever> pdf datasheet of a module from digikey
[8:06] <Xark> AbbyTheRat: From photo, looks like will take a steady hand, but doable.
[8:06] <blockh34d> clever: do you know of any picam ribbon cables that arent ribbon all the way through?
[8:06] <clever> nope
[8:06] <blockh34d> that'd be nice if they had something
[8:06] <blockh34d> the ribbon cable is sometimes less than ideal
[8:07] <blockh34d> how long can that cable be before there's Trouble?
[8:07] <blockh34d> any idea?
[8:07] <clever> not sure
[8:07] <blockh34d> i bet not much longer
[8:07] <AbbyTheRat> hmm, trying to remember if I need to plug into VOhm or 10A, ha
[8:08] <blockh34d> well i'm going to try to get these cameras mounted on here
[8:08] <blockh34d> bbiaf
[8:09] <AbbyTheRat> I should be able to measure it with the LCD taken off?
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[8:09] <Xark> AbbyTheRat: I believe VOhm (the other one is for higher voltages, I believe)
[8:09] <Xark> AbbyTheRat: Yes, if you get the right pin on the connector.
[8:09] <Xark> pins*
[8:10] <_ynk> yo everyone. I just got my pi! :-) what would be the right way to start with arch? I mean, how can I get it to my SD card properly.
[8:10] <AbbyTheRat> would a picture of my MM help you? :P
[8:10] <Xark> AbbyTheRat: How about just test it with a 9v or other battery or something. :)
[8:11] <Xark> AbbyTheRat: If you used the wrong one, it would typically just show zero (in my experience, not critical).
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[8:11] <Xark> AbbyTheRat: If you were testing power mains, your choice might be more critical. :)
[8:11] <AbbyTheRat> Xark: http://img2.findthebest.com/sites/default/files/2170/media/images/_421743_i0.jpg :P
[8:12] <Xark> AbbyTheRat: Yeah, center for GND and red probe in V/Ohm/diode/mA/uA
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[8:14] <AbbyTheRat> oops
[8:14] <AbbyTheRat> I hope my SD card is ok now..
[8:14] <Xark> AbbyTheRat: Ahh, hello. Had to reboot?
[8:14] <AbbyTheRat> accidently did something and flipped the power switch on the power bar
[8:15] <Xark> AbbyTheRat: Ouch. At least you weren't a few hours into typing code. :)
[8:15] <AbbyTheRat> was plugging in the clock and I think (I hope) I put a bit too much pressure on the switch
[8:15] <AbbyTheRat> codes auto saves anyway
[8:15] <AbbyTheRat> and I save out of habit too
[8:15] <SirLagz> autosave to another machine ?
[8:15] <AbbyTheRat> that.. how however, I Don't
[8:15] <Xark> AbbyTheRat: OK. From your pic, center for GND and red probe in V/Ohm/diode/mA/uA. Dial probably at 20v (about 8 o'clock)
[8:16] <AbbyTheRat> but if I did have that happen.. I got it on git hub
[8:16] <AbbyTheRat> so I only lose about...
[8:16] <AbbyTheRat> 30-60 minutes worth
[8:16] <SirLagz> I sync hourly to another machine when I do anything on the Pi heh
[8:16] <SirLagz> at least hourly
[8:16] <AbbyTheRat> hmm.. actually I got it plugged in to the LCD display
[8:16] <Xark> AbbyTheRat: Yeah. Well, I mention that as it was an important lesson for me kicking out the power cord of my Apple ][ long ago. :)
[8:17] <AbbyTheRat> cause then I can poke the solidering on the LCD to the cable connector
[8:18] <AbbyTheRat> Xark, VCC and ground and Data and ground?
[8:18] <AbbyTheRat> actually, I think it's VDD on the board
[8:19] <Xark> AbbyTheRat: Mostly just VCC and GND and it is fairly certain that logic levels use that. If data pin is varying, then DMM will show a meaningless average typically.
[8:19] <Xark> AbbyTheRat: VDD is fine for positive (red).
[8:20] <AbbyTheRat> data pin is giving me varying reading
[8:20] <AbbyTheRat> VDD is steady 3.6
[8:20] <Xark> Interesting. A bit higher than 3.3v, but not 5v.
[8:21] <Xark> Still may not be safe to directly connect to RPi.
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[8:21] <Xark> AbbyTheRat: Might be fine through a resistor though.
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[8:22] <AbbyTheRat> mhm, max 3.67 on the data line
[8:22] <AbbyTheRat> I mean VDD line
[8:22] <AbbyTheRat> sorry, got mixed up in the head there
[8:23] <AbbyTheRat> what's STB?
[8:23] <Xark> AbbyTheRat: My guess is "strobe".
[8:24] <AbbyTheRat> 3.9
[8:24] <AbbyTheRat> o_o
[8:24] <AbbyTheRat> clock face is flashing
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[8:26] <AbbyTheRat> hmm
[8:26] <AbbyTheRat> the 4v5 line is reading.. 4.4
[8:26] <AbbyTheRat> LED is 3 volt
[8:27] <Xark> AbbyTheRat: My guess is it operates similarly to another LCD controller like perhaps http://pdf.datasheetcatalog.com/datasheet/nec/uPD16431AGC-7ET.pdf
[8:27] <AbbyTheRat> I checked each line and what I got is
[8:28] <Xark> AbbyTheRat: Guessing LED is for backlight. 4.5v may be needed to drive the LCD (which often need wacky voltages). 3.6 sounds like poorly regulated 3.3. :) [Note all guesses, YMMV]
[8:29] <AbbyTheRat> LED: 3, 4v5: 4.4, Data: varying max 3.6, SCK: varying 3.6 max, STB: 3.9 steady(clock face is flashing because time need to be set), VDD: 3.6 mostly, but varies at time)
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[8:30] <AbbyTheRat> yeah.. might have to use resisters just to be on the safe side and bring it down to 3.3
[8:30] <AbbyTheRat> I wonder if that 4v5, is basically meant to be 4.5 volt?
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[8:32] <AbbyTheRat> hmm, STB went up to 4v
[8:32] <AbbyTheRat> sorry, having fun just poking the pins and re-reading
[8:32] <Xark> AbbyTheRat: Yeah, I wouldn't hook it up directly.
[8:32] <AbbyTheRat> I agree with your guesses as well
[8:34] <AbbyTheRat> I wonder what SCK is
[8:36] <Xark> AbbyTheRat: clock typically.
[8:37] <Xark> AbbyTheRat: If it is similar to that PDF I linked, "shift clock input".
[8:38] <Xark> AbbyTheRat: According to that STB tells you if the display controller is busy, LOW = ready, HIGH = BUSY. SCK is data shift clock where DATA is latched in on rising edge starting from MSB.
[8:39] <Xark> AbbyTheRat: Those seem pretty standard, so now you just have to guess what bits to send in. :)
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[8:40] <AbbyTheRat> I can try wiring that base on that and then send in random bits and see the results?
[8:40] <AbbyTheRat> and record it until I get the result I want?
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[8:41] <AbbyTheRat> hmm or I could just record the bits I Get off the mainboard of the clock connecting it to my pi?
[8:41] <Xark> AbbyTheRat: Sounds like a slow way (and hard to know if it worked but human monitoring). :) This is why I either suggest eavesdropping or perhaps hoping it is similar to some random LCD controller (safe bet it is).
[8:42] <AbbyTheRat> yeah, I do agree with that assumption. Maybe get enough of a reading to see what it does compare to?
[8:42] <AbbyTheRat> okie then, what parts would you suggest I need to get to wire it to the pi safely eardrop?
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[8:43] <Xark> AbbyTheRat: I am not 100% sure. Probably just a low ohm resistor is what is needs, at 3.6v it may be too low for a level shifter.
[8:44] <AbbyTheRat> Don't have to highlight me everytime ^^; which reminds me, I should change the highlighting.. inverted colours is actually too annoying
[8:46] <Xark> I suspect something like 100ohm or so would be fine, but I haven't run the numbers.
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[8:47] <Xark> Well, you have selected a fairly challenging first project. :) I am taking off now, but good luck with it .
[8:47] <AbbyTheRat> Thanks you helped a lot! :)
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[8:48] <AbbyTheRat> still need a part list but at least I learned a few new things
[8:48] <AbbyTheRat> thanks Xark :)
[8:48] <Xark> No problem. I'll TTYL
[8:48] <AbbyTheRat> I should be in bed x_x;;
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[8:58] <blockh34d> picam leads face hdmi slot right?
[8:58] <blockh34d> or is it the other way?
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[9:01] <blockh34d> yes, it is
[9:01] <evil_dan2wik> hi
[9:01] <blockh34d> blue side faces ethernet, bare metal faces hdmi
[9:01] <blockh34d> hi
[9:03] <evil_dan2wik> Is there a linux distro for RPi that would fit on a 128mb SD card?
[9:04] <blockh34d> gotta be
[9:04] <blockh34d> i dunno for sure but i heard arch was very light
[9:05] <ShorTie> you could try hifi's net install
[9:05] <blockh34d> seems like you wouldhave probably alr=eady looked at that tho
[9:05] <AbbyTheRat> what's the smallest possible boot size?
[9:05] <evil_dan2wik> I couldn't find anything that would fit on the card though. Only things I could find was moving the root to a USB
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[9:06] <AbbyTheRat> could go boot on SD, then having root on USB (HDD and stuff)
[9:06] <AbbyTheRat> HDD/thumbdrive/SSD/whatever over USB*
[9:06] <evil_dan2wik> except I need to use both USB ports
[9:07] <evil_dan2wik> 1 for wifi, 1 for USB<=>RS232 connector
[9:07] <ShorTie> wifi should be pluged into hub
[9:07] <evil_dan2wik> I don't have a hub
[9:08] <ShorTie> or bypass the poly fuse for the wifi usb port
[9:09] <evil_dan2wik> the main poly fuse?
[9:09] <evil_dan2wik> I am powering directly through the GPIO'
[9:09] <evil_dan2wik> s 5v lines
[9:09] <ShorTie> ya, https://www.dropbox.com/s/id5ljm206fmw38v/IMAG0014.JPG
[9:10] <ShorTie> oh, well that not good idea either
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[9:10] <evil_dan2wik> how?
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[9:11] <ShorTie> how what ??
[9:11] <evil_dan2wik> How is it not a good idea?
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[9:11] <ShorTie> you are bypassing all the protection
[9:11] <evil_dan2wik> The solar inverter's 5v output has a 3 amp poly fuse in it.
[9:12] <evil_dan2wik> and it only used by the add-in cards that aren't there.
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[9:26] <blockh34d> ac adapter marked 12v, metered at 21v, lovely
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[9:31] <AbbyTheRat> did it blow things up?
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[9:31] <khildin> well ... overclocking usually is done by overvolting.... :D
[9:32] <khildin> blockh34d, time for a new meter?
[9:32] <blockh34d> nah all else reads ok
[9:32] <blockh34d> alhough yah its beat
[9:32] <blockh34d> dogs chewed on this one a little
[9:32] <khildin> lmao
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[9:37] <Raynerd> if I have a file pigpiod in a folder PIGPIO I run it via terminal cd PIGPIO and then sudo pigpiod
[9:38] <Raynerd> how would I boot it at start from cron
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[9:38] <Raynerd> @bootup sudo PIGPIO/pigpiod
[9:39] <AbbyTheRat> hello Raynerd :)
[9:40] <AbbyTheRat> for a basic kit what kind of parts would you recommend for eletrotic?
[9:40] <ShorTie> cron, that is more for schedule jobs then startup i believe
[9:40] <AbbyTheRat> I'm guessing a fair range of resisters
[9:40] <rikkib> Put the command in /etc/rc.local
[9:40] <ShorTie> AbbyTheRat, that is a common question that is hard to answer
[9:40] <nid0> you can happily use @reboot in cron if you just need to fire a script once on boot
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[9:41] <rikkib> /etc/rc.local runs at startup as root
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[9:41] <ShorTie> it all depends on what your doing or gonna do
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[9:42] <rikkib> use absolute paths
[9:42] <Raynerd> ok
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[9:44] <AbbyTheRat> ok then, Well, I'm working with pi and would like to eardrop on my clock, this is what get on my Multi-meter (thanks to Xark for this help), so what parts would I need to get my pi to read the data safely?
[9:44] <AbbyTheRat> I'm getting this - https://www.adafruit.com/products/498 as well.. so what parts for that as well.. is that a bit easier to answer, ShorTie?
[9:44] <mortal> how long does it take to dd the raspberry image to sd
[9:45] <AbbyTheRat> Oh, and mustn't forget, stuff for 5 buttons. Still searching thou digikey on the buttons it has.. too many. x_x
[9:45] <nid0> couple of mins
[9:46] <ShorTie> 'and 3 PWM pins for the backlight' that the pi doesn't have
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[9:59] <AbbyTheRat> ShorTie: surely something could allow the 3 PWN to be controllable from the pi
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[10:01] <ShorTie> ya, stick arduino in between
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[10:03] <AbbyTheRat> mhm.. I do that. I'm working on it.. I know what I Want but not how to get there, ha
[10:03] <evil_dan2wik> I think I will just run a 50 meter lan cable to the Inverter for the Pi.
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[10:32] <AbbyTheRat> ahhh.. infomation overload..
[10:33] <AbbyTheRat> tricky enough learning with pi, but throwing in arduino is melting my brain. XD Oh well, if that's what I want for the project.. I get it figured.. just.. costs :/
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[10:37] <AbbyTheRat> ohh, finallyyy! Something good came out of my googling. >_>
[10:37] <AbbyTheRat> http://mattdyson.org/blog/2013/05/using-20x4-rgb-lcd-over-i2c-with-a-raspberry-pi/
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[10:42] <AbbyTheRat> ShorTie: thanks.. in a roundabout way, I got to where I want to go.
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[10:44] <ShorTie> sweet
[10:44] <ShorTie> where there is a will there is a way, as they say
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[10:46] <Joost`> Soooo.. raspbian working on rolling out the openssl patch?
[10:46] <gordonDrogon> morning.
[10:46] <AbbyTheRat> I hope so
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[10:46] <AbbyTheRat> aww man, ways of knowing you're up too late
[10:46] <hyperair> you could rebuild the patched libssl from debian for arm
[10:46] <AbbyTheRat> Everyone start saying morning
[10:46] <hyperair> the specific raspbian arm
[10:46] <neilr> morning
[10:46] <gordonDrogon> I suspect it's already there. openssl updated yesterday.
[10:47] <AbbyTheRat> the fix to leaking hearts?
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[10:54] <AbbyTheRat> ok, ok, I take the silence as a hint
[10:54] <AbbyTheRat> Goodnight everyone
[10:55] <gordonDrogon> well - I don't know if its that specific fix - I just noticed a new version last night.
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[11:06] <raynerd_> Hi guys, you were trying to help before and I got cutoff
[11:06] <raynerd_> we were talking about starting up on boot as superuser
[11:07] <ShorTie> didn't you do that with your airpi ??
[11:07] <raynerd_> YES!!!
[11:08] <raynerd_> I am in school as we speak during holiday setting it up again!
[11:08] <ShorTie> so it be like the same thing, but with different names
[11:08] <raynerd_> I had an error. one day about 2 weeks ago, the Pi was dead (only red power light comes on) with a dead SD card
[11:08] <raynerd_> pi dead and SD corrupt :-(
[11:09] <raynerd_> I`ve had to start from sratch.
[11:09] <raynerd_> absolutely...but I`m trying to remember exactly what I put!!
[11:09] <ShorTie> stick the os on a usb thumb drive
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[11:10] <gordonDrogon> restore from backup.
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[11:10] <raynerd_> anyway,, rc,local a new line that says /home/pi/PIGPIO/pigpiod and a line that says python /home/pi/AirPy/airpi.py
[11:10] <raynerd_> gordonDragon ??
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[11:12] <raynerd_> I`m sure there was a & sign in there somewhere
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[11:13] <gordonDrogon> raynerd_, hi..
[11:14] <raynerd_> hi
[11:14] <gordonDrogon> what are you after?
[11:14] <raynerd_> restore from backup?
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[11:14] <gordonDrogon> yes - if you lost the SD card contents, then just restore it from backup.
[11:14] <raynerd_> that presumes that I`ve taken a backup
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[11:14] <gordonDrogon> of-course.
[11:15] <gordonDrogon> but everyone takes backups, don' t they?
[11:15] <raynerd_> gordonDragon, does my rc.local line look correct. Something looks different. I`m sure there was an & sign
[11:15] <raynerd_> No.
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[11:15] <raynerd_> I`m going to setup again now without a backup!
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[11:15] <gordonDrogon> raynerd_, and & at the end makes it run in the background, but I've no idea about the pig pio package.
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[11:16] <gordonDrogon> generally programs with a 'd' at the end indicate that they're daemons which should run themselves in the background anyway.
[11:16] <raynerd_> I just want to run pigpiod in folder PIGPIO in terminal, I just do cd PIGPIO then literally pigpiod
[11:17] <nid0> considering how supremely easy keeping a backup of a pi's sd card is, why wouldnt you? :|
[11:17] <raynerd_> It is a daemon - apparently.
[11:17] <raynerd_> so I just want to run it at boot
[11:17] <blockh34d> is there anything i can do to get the raspicam preview to update faster? I need it to use the full preview so that slows it down, but can i maybe lower resolution or shutter speed etc?
[11:17] <raynerd_> rc.local line /home/pi/PIGPIO/pigpiod
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[11:22] <gordonDrogon> Raynerd, if that works from the command-line without an & then use it like that in rc.local.
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[11:36] -kloeri_- [Global Notice] Hi all. In the next few minutes we're going to restart a bunch of servers due to an openssl security vulnerability (CVE-2014-0160). This is unfortunately going to be very noisy but should be over with relatively quickly. Thanks for using freenode and have a good day.
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[13:15] <Smrtz> Hey, I'm trying to follow the bash implementation of the GPIO pins here: http://elinux.org/Rpi_Low-level_peripherals
[13:16] <Smrtz> But I'm also using wiringpi. Does that change ho I call the pins?
[13:16] <Smrtz> like, if I'm trying to read wiringpi pin 0, that still directs to GPIO0 right?
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[13:18] <Smrtz> Oh wait, there's the 'Shell script - take 2' section...
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[13:35] <gordonDrogon> Smrtz, just use the gpio command in wiringPi - easy :)
[13:35] <gordonDrogon> wiringPi pin 0 is bcm_gpio pin 17.
[13:35] <gordonDrogon> so - gpio read 0 OR gpio -g rear 17 - both do the same thing.
[13:35] <gordonDrogon> s/rear/read/
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[13:41] <evil_dan2wik> I am trying to get my RPi to set itself on fire, how would I go about doing that?
[13:41] <evil_dan2wik> Would it be a lighter with some servos or something?
[13:41] <evil_dan2wik> or is there something I can set that makes it catch fire?
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[13:56] <gordonDrogon> There is a GPIO pin that's connected to 0v.
[13:56] <gordonDrogon> you can make that output, increase the drive current and set it high.
[13:57] <gordonDrogon> however it'll just likely reboot the Pi as it'll crowbar the 3.3v supply.
[13:57] <evil_dan2wik> will that make it catch fire or will it just thermal shutdown?
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[13:57] <gordonDrogon> probably neither. I suspect there is nothing you can do without adding extra hardware to make it catch fire.
[13:58] <gordonDrogon> Why do you want to destroy a Pi anyway?
[13:59] <evil_dan2wik> The ethernet chip went bung.
[14:00] <gordonDrogon> how did you kill that?
[14:00] <evil_dan2wik> It drops lots of packets and USB devices drop frequently, even with a fresh raspbian and / or Noobs install
[14:00] <evil_dan2wik> Idk, It was working fine until 2 days ago
[14:00] <gordonDrogon> and you've been through the power check, etc, ?
[14:00] <evil_dan2wik> yes.
[14:01] <gordonDrogon> is it rev 1 or rev 2?
[14:01] <evil_dan2wik> Rev2
[14:01] <evil_dan2wik> Model B obviously
[14:02] <gordonDrogon> sure. just curious. the rev 1 had an interesting fault round the 3.3v supply on the usb chip.
[14:02] <evil_dan2wik> The Test Points show 5.17 volts, the 3.3v is 3.3v exactly.
[14:06] <RaTTuS|BIG> brb need reboot
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[14:07] <Raynerd> Hello again.
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[14:09] <Raynerd> Should the pi take the time from the NTP server on boot?
[14:11] <Raynerd> I've removed all servers except the ip address of our schools network NTP and it isn`t updating the correct time.
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[14:26] <vlt> Hello. Is it possible to use external USB audio devices with the Pi (connected to an active USB hub for power supply)?
[14:26] <evil_dan2wik> vlt, yes.
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[14:26] <vlt> Can I tell something like omxplayer to playback 5.1 audio to such a device?
[14:27] <evil_dan2wik> I think so.
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[14:35] <vlt> evil_dan2wik: Ok, thank you.
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[15:05] <sireorion> hey can an rpi be overclocked?
[15:06] <shiftplusone> yes
[15:06] <shiftplusone> http://elinux.org/RPiconfig
[15:07] <sireorion> does it perform much better?
[15:08] <shiftplusone> depends
[15:08] <sireorion> i use it for xbmc
[15:08] <shiftplusone> I'd say a 1GHz overclock is noticeable.
[15:09] <sireorion> i have tryed to super freeze it
[15:10] <sireorion> Liquid nitrogen
[15:12] <Raynerd> freeze what?
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[15:23] <RickyB98> hello :-) i'm from italy and i'd like to buy a raspberry pi. on amazon, i found something but it says "UK", does that matter?
[15:23] <SpeedEvil> Well - contat the seller.
[15:24] <RickyB98> thanks for answering - i just wanted to know if there was some hardware specification that made a UK rpi not work in EU/US
[15:24] <shiftplusone> nope
[15:24] <RickyB98> heck, you're so fast guys! thx a lot ^_^
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[15:25] <RickyB98> also, if i wanted to "play" a bit with the GPIO, do I need any knowledge other than python and GPIO framework?
[15:25] <smeggysmeg> can the adafruit lcd sit on most of the cases, provided that the cutout is present for the GPIO?
[15:26] <gordonDrogon> if Python if your thing, then you're ok to go. Other programming languages are available to use the GPIO. E.g. BASIC, C, shell, etc.
[15:26] <RickyB98> i meant like electricity stuff...
[15:26] <smeggysmeg> i'm concerned that the extra distance/bulk from the case will make the provided connector not reach the GPIO
[15:26] <gordonDrogon> RickyB98, basic electronics.
[15:27] <gordonDrogon> RickyB98, if you can wire an LED to a battery via a resistor then you'll be ok to start.
[15:27] <RickyB98> that's sorta doable :P
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[15:27] <RickyB98> so the GPIO uses another power source than the USB?
[15:28] <shiftplusone> hurray.... usb boot code has been released
[15:28] <shiftplusone> phire, might be of interest to you
[15:28] <gordonDrogon> RickyB98, the GPIO has 5v and 3.3v supplies.
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[15:29] <[SLB]> RickyB98, i bought from rs and farnell ita
[15:29] <RickyB98> [SLB], you italian?
[15:29] <[SLB]> yes
[15:29] <RickyB98> great :-) let's keep english but :-)
[15:29] <[SLB]> eheh
[15:29] <RickyB98> would you link that to me plz?
[15:29] <[SLB]> sure, moment
[15:30] <RickyB98> thx a lot :-)
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[15:33] <[SLB]> no problem :) from farnell it's this link https://export.farnell.com/jsp/raspi/orderPad.jsp?&country=IT
[15:33] <RickyB98> [SLB], can i msg you in pvt?
[15:33] <[SLB]> rs seems to have now authorised dealiers here http://goo.gl/z3EtzM
[15:33] <[SLB]> sure
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[15:53] <frallzor> ahoy hoy, is there a good webbrowser with kiosk-mode that had adressfield intact?
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[15:54] <frallzor> *has even
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[15:56] <tonsofpcs> what do you mean by 'addressfield intact' ?
[15:57] <frallzor> the ones i tried has no adressfield, just a single adress it goes to
[15:57] <frallzor> I want the simplicity of kiosk-mode but the ability to enter any adress
[15:57] <tonsofpcs> you want kiosk mode but able to enter...
[15:57] <tonsofpcs> i'm sure there's a firefox plugin for that.
[15:57] <frallzor> exactly =)
[15:57] <frallzor> isnt firefox crap on rpi?
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[15:58] <frallzor> Atleast I read it is
[15:58] <tonsofpcs> no idea, I use my pi for hardware mpeg decoding and software audio and software thermostat control
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[16:05] <steve_rox> the new rpi design is most unusual
[16:06] <shiftplusone> Though I like that you can now use a model A as a mass storage device or make them run custom firmware over USB.
[16:07] <shiftplusone> I need to test than on a model b with a removed NIC chip as well >=)
[16:07] <steve_rox> im not aware of the full benifits of this design yet
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[16:09] <steve_rox> why have the cpu on a removeable ram module? incase you burn it out?
[16:10] <shiftplusone> it's not a RAM module >_<
[16:10] <shiftplusone> just has the same connector
[16:11] <steve_rox> correct
[16:11] <shiftplusone> The point is that you get the power of the pi's SoC on whatever custom hardware you want.
[16:11] <RaTTuS|BIG> you can build it into a device that does what you need
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[16:11] <shiftplusone> In an industrial setting, that's very cool.
[16:11] <steve_rox> oh rights
[16:11] <shiftplusone> And for the digital signeage guys too, I suppose.
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[16:12] <steve_rox> i has no idea what digital signage is , i see its name poping up a lot tho
[16:12] <shiftplusone> just using the pi for ads, pretty much.
[16:13] <steve_rox> oh for spamming banners etc?
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[16:13] <steve_rox> seems rather dull
[16:13] <shiftplusone> menus in the restaurant, info at the dentists office, information terminals at malls and so on.
[16:13] <shiftplusone> oh it is very dull, but it seems to be a common use for th epi.
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[16:14] <steve_rox> i see
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[16:15] <shiftplusone> Looks like folks are using the V3D pipeline in bare metal now as well =) https://github.com/PeterLemon/RaspberryPi/tree/master/V3D/ControlList/Clear_Color
[16:16] <steve_rox> gonna have a go at hookin a dot matrix lcd display into mine later
[16:17] <steve_rox> unfortinate the lcd dident come with pins on the pcb so i found myself salvageing ones off a old ide motherboard connector
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[16:19] <Nikon_m> h
[16:19] <Nikon_m> Heyo
[16:19] <Nikon_m> I got a question for you guys
[16:20] <Nikon_m> How big could a LED matrix be from the GPIO?
[16:20] <shiftplusone> without buffers?
[16:20] <Nikon_m> As direct as possible (thinking about making a network clock with a raspi)
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[16:22] <shiftplusone> technically, you'd be lucky to get 4 LEDs on there directly, but gordonDrogon has hooked up lots of them at once before without anything exploding straight away.
[16:22] <Nikon_m> Hmmm
[16:22] <Nikon_m> brb
[16:22] <steve_rox> delayed explosions :-)
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[16:23] <shiftplusone> well, more like slow internal damage which will probably reduce the lifetime of the chip.
[16:23] <steve_rox> not good
[16:24] * gordonDrogon shows: http://unicorn.drogon.net/pi17leds.jpg again
[16:24] <shiftplusone> that's the image I was thinking of, but couldn't find it.
[16:24] <shiftplusone> (don't do that)
[16:24] <gordonDrogon> I have a project right now that has 48 LEDs on the Pi - a 4x4 matrix of RGB LEDs. there is are 4 column drivers (2n2222) though.
[16:25] <shiftplusone> (do that)
[16:25] <steve_rox> heh
[16:25] <gordonDrogon> FWIW: that board + LEDs ran for about a week before I rememberd they were still going...
[16:25] <steve_rox> lucky im not that crazy on led's
[16:25] <gordonDrogon> out of sight, out of mind type thing.
[16:26] <steve_rox> alough i have got a 100w super bright smt led
[16:26] <gordonDrogon> My Ladder board has 8 5mm LEDs and 2 3mm LEDs on-board. no issues there lighting them all.
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[16:26] <gordonDrogon> steve_rox, that would be 100w "equivalent" light output ..
[16:26] <steve_rox> eather way its most blinding
[16:27] <gordonDrogon> the "Luxeon Rebels" are pretty bright. very bright. blindingly bright.
[16:27] <gordonDrogon> not for direct Pi connection!
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[16:28] <steve_rox> www.ebay.co.uk/itm/100W-White-High-Power-9000-10000LM-LED-light-Lamp-SMD-Chip-DC-32-34V-/221235113810?pt=UK_BOI_Electrical_Components_Supplies_ET&var=&hash=item3382a3ef52
[16:28] <steve_rox> one of them
[16:28] <Nikon_m> gordonDrogon: think somebody could make a clock?\
[16:29] <shiftplusone> Just with LEDs?
[16:29] <Nikon_m> Well the LED's are the display, a python script would interface it
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[16:29] <gordonDrogon> it's been done - some chap made a big binary clock on the Pi.
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[16:30] <atouk> has anyone posted a POV clock project yet?
[16:30] <steve_rox> they did it in minecraft too but thats another story
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[16:30] <Nikon_m> gordonDrogon: linkage?
[16:31] <gordonDrogon> google
[16:31] <gordonDrogon> http://www.raspberrypi.org/forums/viewtopic.php?f=44&t=21677
[16:31] <gordonDrogon> and others.
[16:31] <gordonDrogon> atouk, working on one - will be mounted on a bike :)
[16:32] <atouk> wheels?
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[16:34] <gordonDrogon> well one of them.
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[16:34] <_ynk> hi, I have a question I couldn't find a clear answer to online. which fully-free gnu/linux distributions are able to work with the pi?
[16:34] <gordonDrogon> probably the one going round connected to the pedals via a chain :)
[16:34] <_ynk> I am trying to avoid running non-free software, and arch is not providing me a clear way to do that.
[16:34] <Nikon_m> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:LCDneg.jpg
[16:35] <Nikon_m> Is there anything like that that i could use for the pi?
[16:35] <shiftplusone> _ynk, none. The pi requires a closed blob to boot.
[16:35] <gordonDrogon> _ynk, difficult to do "properly" due to the blobby boot code.
[16:35] <gordonDrogon> but if willing to overlook that then Raspbian is your best bet.
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[16:35] <gordonDrogon> otherwise nothing at all.
[16:36] <shiftplusone> not the foundation's Raspbian though, since that has the non-free component and non-free software bundled in.
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[16:37] <shiftplusone> https://github.com/hifi/raspbian-ua-netinst doesn't enable the non-free component by default
[16:37] <atouk> gordonDrogon: wouldn't the front wheel be better? less obstructed
[16:37] <shiftplusone> but of course, still relies ont he blob
[16:38] <gordonDrogon> atouk, I can't test it on the front wheel with the bike upside down without some sort of power to turn the wheel round. Did you think I was actually going to ride it up & down the street to test it???? ;-)
[16:39] <shiftplusone> heh
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[16:39] <atouk> friction drive from a drill
[16:39] <gordonDrogon> atouk, solves a problem that doesn't exist if I put it on the back wheel.
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[17:55] <[coda]> hi there! :)
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[18:00] <santoscrew> hi
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[18:15] <RedPanda> hey guys
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[18:16] <RedPanda> i gonna connect multiple raspi in a lan... i wonder if o can ssh to a espesific raspi by doing ssh pi@hostname inteado os pi@x.x.x.x
[18:16] <RedPanda> i think i see that on a tutorial but i cant made it work
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[18:21] <_ynk> does the raspberry pi use a special/modified linux kernel ?
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[18:21] <shiftplusone> yes
[18:21] <_ynk> ok, thank you.
[18:22] <shiftplusone> https://github.com/raspberrypi/linux
[18:25] <_ynk> :-D
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[18:26] <_ynk> btw - regarding before (i've sent some stuff but I've had lots of disconnections lately so i dunno) - I'm going to stick to arch arm for now. at the moment preparing my sd card :-D
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[18:29] <RedPanda> hiiii. there is a way to do ssh user@hostname instead of user@x.x.x.x in a lan?
[18:29] <shiftplusone> sure
[18:30] <AbbyTheRat> totally
[18:30] <shiftplusone> add it to /etc/hosts
[18:30] <AbbyTheRat> morning, shiftplusone
[18:30] <Armand> You can always do that with SSH, LAN or otherwise.. so long as the hostname resolves to an IP or hosts entry.
[18:30] <shiftplusone> or use a router which supports such things (look under DNS server or something of the sort int he settings)
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[18:30] <shiftplusone> I believe there's some avahi magic which works too.
[18:30] <shiftplusone> AbbyTheRat, hey
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[18:34] <RedPanda> look guys i ot this
[18:34] <RedPanda> panda@pandaPC ~ $ ssh -X pi@raspipanda
[18:34] <RedPanda> ssh: Could not resolve hostname raspipanda: Name or service not known
[18:34] <RedPanda> gonna look ito dns
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[18:35] <shiftplusone> Is the idea to do this so that you don't need to remember the IP or because you don't know the IP or because it changes?
[18:36] <RedPanda> well i gonna give a raspi class and every studen gonna have a raspi. so find the corresponding raspy is gonna be a nightmare
[18:36] <shiftplusone> got it
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[18:36] <AbbyTheRat> I just had an idea. Ha..
[18:37] <AbbyTheRat> pi thermal printer, tuck it into my "case" as well, use it to print todays event and stuff
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[18:45] <RedPanda> i cant find hw to enable that on my router @__@
[18:47] <Armand> In /etc/hosts 'x.x.x.x raspipanda'
[18:48] <RedPanda> i already change that on my hosts and host name
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[18:49] <RedPanda> look like my router is the problem
[18:49] <Infra_P> How are you connecting it.
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[18:50] <shiftplusone> if you added that to /etc/hosts and it's still not resolving, I don't think it's a router problem.
[18:50] <Armand> Have you tried pinging it's IP ?
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[18:51] <RedPanda> no but i can access to my pi using ssh pi@x.x.x.x
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[18:51] <Infra_P> '
[18:52] <RedPanda> but i need to access to a multiple raspi's on a class room. so i think i can use pi@hostname. i see someone use that on a tutorial but i can do it
[18:52] <Infra_P> What's your issue i missed the above.
[18:53] <RedPanda> btw my pc and my raspi are connected to a switch adn then to router. that switch may cause a conflict?
[18:53] <Infra_P> no
[18:53] <AbbyTheRat> woo, my LCD should be coming soon :)
[18:54] <AbbyTheRat> plus a bunch of other stuff ^_^
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[18:55] <AbbyTheRat> I must clean up a bit now, since you know otherwise I be in trouble for spending money <_<
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[18:57] <ShorTie> need to clean up after unpacking then
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[19:01] <RedPanda> i try disconecting the switc from the router an nothing happens
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[19:02] <mfa298> RedPanda: you probably want some sort of internal dynamic dns. the best people to talk to for that might be the local IT team as they'll know whats available on the network
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[19:10] <Armand> Keep DHCP, but have IPs reserved by MAC address.
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[19:11] <_ynk> what Armand said. then use hosts file to use the hostname u want
[19:11] <Armand> ^
[19:12] <Armand> If the IP address changes frequently, then the hosts entry won't work for long.
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[19:13] <shiftplusone> which is where nsswitch and avahi come in
[19:13] <shiftplusone> (or just set up static IPs or pre-set dynamic IPs and be done with it)
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[19:14] <_ynk> but if he has access to the router, it would be much easier assigning static ip's
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[19:14] <blockh34d> hi
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[19:15] <blockh34d> anyone suggestions for fastest way to get and show lores image from cam?
[19:15] <shiftplusone> hello sir
[19:15] <blockh34d> could be preview, could be writing a file to /tmp and displaying it with feh, could be output image to stdout and have feh show from stdin
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[19:16] <blockh34d> it must be -fp though, 'full preview', (all of the image)
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[19:21] <blockh34d> how you doing shiftplusone
[19:21] <blockh34d> i'm almost ready to wear this helmet around for a little walk
[19:21] <blockh34d> will probably get some weird looks but whatever
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[19:22] <blockh34d> i should film peoples responses to it, probably funny stuff
[19:22] <shiftplusone> hey, not too bad.
[19:22] <shiftplusone> heh
[19:23] <blockh34d> looks like my apps be installed 250+ times so far
[19:23] <AbbyTheRat> which one?
[19:23] <AbbyTheRat> blockh34d: I order my parts
[19:23] <blockh34d> they had to send me a count manually cause i guess somethings a lil wonky in the admin, so this is the first i've found out an actual download number
[19:23] <blockh34d> AbbyTheRat: Scamp
[19:24] <AbbyTheRat> ouu, right
[19:24] <blockh34d> awesome i was meaning to suggest you also get some heat shrink tubing
[19:24] <AbbyTheRat> I have a few already
[19:24] <blockh34d> you can never have too much
[19:24] <AbbyTheRat> I get it later thou
[19:24] <RedPanda> shiftplusone: gonna look into that nsswitch. _ynk ok but what happen if i plug a raspi with a static ip that is already taken?
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[19:24] <blockh34d> yes ok awesome
[19:24] <blockh34d> its the best
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[19:24] <AbbyTheRat> my first soldering projects was repairing degu damages >_>
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[19:24] <blockh34d> anyone ideas about fastest picam access?
[19:24] <AbbyTheRat> the biggest was my speaker wires..
[19:24] <blockh34d> degu?
[19:24] <AbbyTheRat> completely chewed on several of the cables
[19:24] <blockh34d> i dont know that word
[19:25] <AbbyTheRat> pet rodent
[19:25] <blockh34d> oh a dog?
[19:25] <blockh34d> oh yes my multimter took some damage like that
[19:25] <blockh34d> i just soldered it back together last night actually
[19:25] <shiftplusone> RedPanda, dhcp ips usually have their own range. Make the static IPs outside of it and you should be fine.
[19:25] <AbbyTheRat> yeah.. also got chewed up
[19:25] <shiftplusone> but again, depends on the router.
[19:25] <AbbyTheRat> power cable for my vaccum cleaner <_<
[19:25] <blockh34d> i was using it from the quarter inch of exposed fray wire for position, half foot stub of wire for negative
[19:25] <AbbyTheRat> Wally put it into the degu cage
[19:25] <blockh34d> position/positive
[19:26] <blockh34d> but now its got some proper leads on it
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[19:26] <blockh34d> i hear of 90fps camera access
[19:26] <AbbyTheRat> the last 10% had to be replaced by a different cable, so I decided to expend it a bit now it can reach the whole top floor from one plug
[19:26] <blockh34d> the resolution i need is the lowest it could possibly output at, so i feel like i should be able to get that 90 fps somehow
[19:26] <AbbyTheRat> looks aweful but hey, it works
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[19:27] <RedPanda> shiftplusone: nice
[19:27] <blockh34d> AbbyTheRat: awesome, soldering ftw... also fixing things
[19:27] <AbbyTheRat> so I order a few kits so a few soldering to do there
[19:27] <blockh34d> disposable lifestyle is so wasteful... it's an act of rebellion to fix your things instead of buying new ones
[19:27] <blockh34d> i'm glad you got your stuff on the way, have fun!
[19:27] <AbbyTheRat> I'm hoping my er.. non-lead thingy is thin enough to cope with the tiny stuff
[19:28] <AbbyTheRat> yeah back to cleaning the house
[19:28] <blockh34d> did you get a couple variable potientometers?
[19:28] <blockh34d> i guess they're all variable, by definition
[19:28] <blockh34d> you know what i mean
[19:28] <blockh34d> trimmers etc
[19:28] <blockh34d> fun for many diff projects i think
[19:28] <AbbyTheRat> no, I didn't, decided I get at least this LCD working then work out the resisters needed for my junk parts
[19:28] <blockh34d> yah you know those trimmers are th ekind of thing you can salvage effectively too
[19:28] <AbbyTheRat> I already know the voltage from clock now :)
[19:29] <blockh34d> also switchs
[19:29] <blockh34d> hey thats where you should get switches from
[19:29] <blockh34d> old gear at thrift stores etc
[19:29] <AbbyTheRat> :)
[19:29] <AbbyTheRat> I got these ones
[19:29] <blockh34d> they used to overbuild their switchs so much
[19:29] <blockh34d> like they were bulletproof
[19:29] <AbbyTheRat> https://www.adafruit.com/products/481
[19:29] <AbbyTheRat> 4 blue + one white, I Think
[19:29] <AbbyTheRat> could be 4 white + 1, I forgot
[19:30] <AbbyTheRat> I Found something similar on digikey..
[19:30] <_ynk> RedPanda: in some routers, i know in mine it does - you can decide in which range dhcp works. that way you can prevent conflicts
[19:30] <AbbyTheRat> for like $14 over $4 blocks on adafruit soo >_>;
[19:30] <blockh34d> ohh that is a snazzy button
[19:30] <AbbyTheRat> blocks? what.. ignore that, added extra word
[19:30] <blockh34d> you know what i love to do with LED's? pulse em
[19:30] <blockh34d> so much cooler than blinking
[19:31] <AbbyTheRat> I don't want to blink these buttons
[19:31] <blockh34d> anyone can blink an LED but only the super cool pulse them in relaxing ways
[19:31] <rigid> pulsing is like blinking, just quicker
[19:31] <ShorTie> like to music as a color organ
[19:31] <blockh34d> PWM quicker
[19:31] <AbbyTheRat> well, I could do that, I Guess..
[19:31] <AbbyTheRat> I also solved my RGB problem
[19:31] <blockh34d> i think a pulsing led could actually be a sleep aid
[19:32] <AbbyTheRat> yeah, I might do that :)
[19:32] <blockh34d> unlike a blinking one whihc would certainly be distracting
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[19:32] <blockh34d> rgb problem?
[19:32] <rigid> blockh34d: if you really want to be cool with LEDs+raspi: http://wiki.niftylight.de ;)
[19:32] <blockh34d> oh cool rigid thanks
[19:32] <blockh34d> i am a former LED blinkologist
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[19:32] <AbbyTheRat> it's going to either be steady or slow pulse
[19:32] <AbbyTheRat> fade in and out
[19:32] <blockh34d> latetly i focus on LCDs and other projects but for a while i really liked to b link those LEDs
[19:32] <AbbyTheRat> that could work
[19:32] <blockh34d> yes slower the better imo
[19:33] <blockh34d> but after a while you can kinda see the steps
[19:33] <AbbyTheRat> if not, they jwill just stay on
[19:33] <rigid> blockh34d: lol :) np
[19:33] <RedPanda> _ynk: thanks :3
[19:33] <AbbyTheRat> but that's a future project for thsi project XD
[19:33] <AbbyTheRat> I had an idea of a themral printer
[19:33] <blockh34d> rigid: homemade predator helmet almost ready for test walk
[19:33] <AbbyTheRat> so I could print out the days event + weather + possible shopping list <_<
[19:33] <blockh34d> ohhh i should give it a cylon bar
[19:34] <AbbyTheRat> again, future idea if I want to expend on it :)
[19:34] <rigid> blockh34d: which will be the official headwear for the priests in the church of LED? ;)
[19:34] <blockh34d> the way it is, it already looks like a cylon and bobbafet had a kid
[19:34] <blockh34d> yes
[19:34] <blockh34d> it is our fancy hat
[19:34] <_ynk> RedPanda: sure, let us know if it works :-D
[19:34] <rigid> cool
[19:34] <AbbyTheRat> blockh34d - https://www.adafruit.com/products/498 that's the LCD
[19:34] <rigid> larson scanners rule
[19:34] <AbbyTheRat> I Want to control the backlight colours, this has 3 PWN
[19:34] <blockh34d> is that the knight rider / cylon sort of bar sweeper thing?
[19:34] <AbbyTheRat> soo, I'm doing this - http://mattdyson.org/blog/2013/05/using-20x4-rgb-lcd-over-i2c-with-a-raspberry-pi/
[19:35] <_ynk> AbbyTheRat: hey! i didn't really read the conversation, but i just got this one today!
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[19:35] <_ynk> (diy lcd screen)
[19:35] <AbbyTheRat> nice ynk
[19:35] <blockh34d> thats a sweet screen
[19:35] <blockh34d> i keep thinking i should try other more durable screens
[19:35] <_ynk> yeah, but I don't have the time to set it up today :-/
[19:35] <_ynk> blockh34d: more durable screens?
[19:35] <blockh34d> find out which ones are most shock/break resistant
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[19:35] <AbbyTheRat> Anyway I must get some cleaning done so I don't have a mad other half
[19:36] <blockh34d> yah what do you think would take the most abuse?
[19:36] <RedPanda> _ynk: i guess it will. my class is Saturday XD gotta wait a bit
[19:36] <blockh34d> yup cya AbbyTheRat
[19:36] <_ynk> RedPanda: are you teaching or studying? :-p
[19:36] <blockh34d> i should do some yard work too but i'm still gathering momentum for that
[19:36] <RedPanda> _ynk: teaching.... both XD
[19:36] <AbbyTheRat> Yardwork while testing out your camera
[19:36] <AbbyTheRat> <_<
[19:36] <blockh34d> thiking it'd be funny
[19:36] <blockh34d> bobbafet trimming the hedges
[19:36] <blockh34d> raking up leaves
[19:36] <AbbyTheRat> ;)
[19:37] <AbbyTheRat> setup another camera to record yourself doing this :P
[19:37] <blockh34d> and peoples responses
[19:37] <blockh34d> lol
[19:37] <_ynk> RedPanda: hah awesome
[19:37] <AbbyTheRat> two perviectieve
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[19:40] <shiftplusone> anyone happen to know if linux has a built-in way to load a remote initrd like over NFS or something?
[19:40] <RedPanda> _ynk: some how i get hired my an institute teaching linux and now raspberry.
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[19:40] <_ynk> btw RedPanda, just to be 100% sure, I just tested this and it works alright - all you need to do really is set up the static ip and then just edit with your favorite editor /etc/hosts (as root). then add the ip to the list and the name and you are done
[19:41] <_ynk> RedPanda: good luck :-) sounds like a fun job actually
[19:41] <_ynk> working with kids/adults?
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[19:43] <RedPanda> i already edit the host name. the static ip its easy. now o have to test it in a room with 11 pc ans 11 raspi's at time
[19:44] <_ynk> i can't think of anything that might cause a problem .
[19:45] <blockh34d> thoughts on sturdiest possible display someone could put on their arm?
[19:45] <blockh34d> perhaps with something like a touchscreen or buttons per character
[19:46] <RedPanda> _ynk: adults. university students and professionals. is a bit frightening
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[19:46] <blockh34d> what if the input was based on cams in the head reading where my finger tip was in space with CV
[19:47] <blockh34d> so i could have an AR keyboard, fake floatin gin space maybe
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[19:48] <blockh34d> anyone know of any opencv projects like that?
[19:48] <blockh34d> seems like it could even work with just a print out of a kb or an interface
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[20:26] <_ynk> hi guys. I need assistance. what would be the best method to fully wipe my SD card so I can reinstall the os img?
[20:27] <_ynk> I created some mess, stopped dd process prematurely. forgive me -,-
[20:27] <shiftplusone> just dd over it, no need to do anything extra.
[20:27] <_ynk> just like that? won't it have some "wasted" memory?
[20:27] <shiftplusone> nope
[20:28] <shiftplusone> but I am not sure what you mean, so maybe yes.
[20:28] <shiftplusone> you'll need to resize the rootfs, but you'll need to do that anyway.
[20:28] <IT_Sean> dd writes the disk image to the card as a bit for bit copy, overwriting anything already on the card.
[20:28] <_ynk> IT_Sean: that's pretty much what I wanted to hear.
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[20:29] <_ynk> sorry, I think I am a bit tired and confused so I'm asking pointless questions. but to make sure... I use dd now again, and it overwrites the previous data, starting from the same offset?
[20:30] <shiftplusone> starting from 0
[20:30] <_ynk> nice.
[20:30] <IT_Sean> i dunno what you mean by "starting from the same offset"
[20:30] <IT_Sean> but yes... just use dd
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[20:30] <_ynk> IT_Sean: sorry for using blurry not so technical terms.
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[20:32] <_ynk> uhg another question. does dd "format" the SD card? or it uses the formatting it already has?
[20:32] <shiftplusone> formatting doesn't make sense in this case.
[20:32] <_ynk> I'm new to this subject
[20:32] <_ynk> what do you mean?
[20:32] <shiftplusone> it just moves the ones and zeros from one location to another
[20:32] <IT_Sean> dd makes a bit for bit copy of the disk image, ON THE CARD
[20:33] <shiftplusone> formatting is a higher level abstraction.
[20:33] <IT_Sean> you do NOT need to FORMAT the card
[20:33] <_ynk> right right right !
[20:33] <IT_Sean> _ynk: just dd the darn thing
[20:33] <IT_Sean> :p
[20:33] <_ynk> IT_Sean: sure I will. I just want to understand what I'm doing :-D
[20:33] <shiftplusone> IT_Sean, he wants to learn what's actually happening. can't fault him for that
[20:33] <pksato> formatting? outdate 1990 terminology. :)
[20:33] <_ynk> ^
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[20:34] <_ynk> but yeah, I guess I am tired, formatting is something I will do while setting up the operating system (in this case, arch). right?
[20:34] <IT_Sean> I understand... basically dd looks at the disk image and sees "1001001101", and thus writes "1001001101" to the SD card. That's overly simplified, but, accurate.
[20:34] <shiftplusone> _ynk, you will not do any formatting.
[20:34] <IT_Sean> You won't need to "format" the card
[20:34] <_ynk> wait, so... ugh... one moment
[20:35] <IT_Sean> dd iteh image, pop it in to the Pi, boot it, and use raspi-config to expland the storage partition. that is it.
[20:35] <shiftplusone> here.... https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Master_boot_record
[20:35] <shiftplusone> the image contains the MBR and the partitions themselves already on there
[20:35] <_ynk> so when I set up a file system. I mean like NTFS or ext4. Is that not called formatting?
[20:36] <IT_Sean> _ynk: the disk image is exactly that... it is a "image" of what the SD card SHOULD look like. dd takes that and COPIES that "image" to the card, making an exact duplicate of the preexisting partitions and files in the disk image.
[20:36] <shiftplusone> as I said, the image already contains the filesystems
[20:36] <_ynk> shiftplusone: il read that.
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[20:37] <IT_Sean> think of dd like a photocopier. you are putting the .iso on the glass and pressing 'Copy'. DD is then examining the .iso and "printing" it on the SD card (the paper, in this analogy)
[20:37] <_ynk> shiftplusone: IT_Sean: mmm that makes some sense to it then. this makes everything clear.
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[20:38] * shiftplusone formats _ynk .
[20:38] <_ynk> haha
[20:38] * IT_Sean dd's an ooooold version of raspbian to _ynk
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[20:38] <_ynk> ugghghghghhghg
[20:39] * IT_Sean sticks _ynk into a raspi and boots it
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[20:40] <_ynk> although, one thing I am not sure I get. let's say the image is 1.9 something GB. and it includes the file system. but my card is 32 GB. soooo... doesn't the file formatting supposed to fit the whole dedicated partition? or- do I later make a new parition myself for my files with the extra GB's?
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[20:40] <shiftplusone> hurray
[20:40] <shiftplusone> great question
[20:40] <IT_Sean> _ynk: you E X P A N D the storage partition later
[20:40] <IT_Sean> after the Pi is booted
[20:41] <_ynk> :-D!!!
[20:41] <IT_Sean> shiftplusone was right, tho, that was a very good question :p
[20:42] <_ynk> anyway, thanks for the help guys. It's really comforting to have someone answer my silly questions without having to post on a forum and wait :-)
[20:42] <shiftplusone> np
[20:42] <IT_Sean> The raspi will boot, and you will see whatever size you see, based on the partition size in the disk image. You can use raspi-config to stretch that to "fill" your SD card with usable space
[20:42] <shiftplusone> no raspi-config on arch
[20:42] <IT_Sean> He's booting arch?
[20:42] <_ynk> raspi-config? is that some software on raspbian?
[20:42] <IT_Sean> _ynk: yeah, sorry... thought you were doing raspbian
[20:43] <_ynk> yes I am. I have some little experience with arch so I want to stick to it
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[20:43] <IT_Sean> you can do the same thing in Arch, i'll just be a differernt process
[20:43] <_ynk> oh sure, np
[20:43] <IT_Sean> either way, you do it AFTER the raspi is booted :p
[20:43] <_ynk> yeah that is reasonable
[20:43] <shiftplusone> well hang on
[20:43] <_ynk> just for comparison purposes, how much GB's is the raspbian?
[20:43] <shiftplusone> if you have gparted you can do it
[20:44] <_ynk> shiftplusone: I can do it even before, right?
[20:44] <shiftplusone> after you dd the image, run partprobe on the device or remove and re-insert the device and then use gparted to resize it
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[20:45] <shiftplusone> something like partprobe /dev/mmcblk0 and then gparted /dev/mmcblk0 I mean
[20:45] <shiftplusone> partprobe re-reads the partition table. since dd modifies it, the os won't be aware of that until you tell it to re-read it.
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[20:45] <_ynk> that answers my following question, haha.
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[20:55] <_ynk> yo guys, how can I know dd is finished? the process doesn't seem to stop
[20:55] <IT_Sean> just keep waiting
[20:55] <_ynk> I've used pkill -USR1 to tell how it's doing
[20:55] <IT_Sean> it'll tell you when it is done
[20:55] <IT_Sean> go get a cuppa tea
[20:55] <_ynk> and so far it resonded
[20:55] <_ynk> and suddenly it stopped
[20:55] <_ynk> responding, i mean
[20:56] <IT_Sean> go get a cuppa... let it percolate
[20:56] <IT_Sean> if after brewing and drinking a cup o tea it's still stuck, then you can pull the plug on it
[20:56] <_ynk> lol alright . sorry for panicking. And if i do plug it out- will it really be ok? :o
[20:57] <IT_Sean> well, you'll have to start over
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[20:57] <_ynk> i should probably give more details ... this is the reason I first got here. I plugged it out because it stopped responding, eh.
[20:58] <_ynk> so that makes it a second time already, so I doubt its a temporary issue
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[20:59] <shawnbon206> hi
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[21:00] <shiftplusone> _ynk, if it stopped responding it would tell you
[21:00] <shiftplusone> the unix way is to shut up unless you have something important to say
[21:01] <IT_Sean> just let dd percolate a bit
[21:01] <shawnbon206> i haz a problem. i think what i need to do is check the logs but i am not really sure what i am looking for. pi will randomly get disconnected and i dont know if its a problem with the interface (edimax 802.11n dongle) or if the system is simply crashing
[21:01] <_ynk> aye, I think I really will go get a cup of tea, literally. i'll let you know how it went later then , thanks again
[21:01] <shawnbon206> stfu unix
[21:01] <shawnbon206> :D
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[21:02] <shiftplusone> =(
[21:02] <_ynk> just wondering, why did he get kicked? :o
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[21:02] <shiftplusone> _ynk, check the rules.
[21:03] <IT_Sean> Violation of the channel language policy
[21:03] <shawnbon206> dd is less like a percolater and more like Vietnamese coffee press
[21:03] <_ynk> I will, should have already probably. but it's a little strict though, no? :-(
[21:03] <shiftplusone> yes
[21:03] <shiftplusone> but it is what it is.
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[21:05] <_ynk> I also found out we have logs here :-O
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[21:05] <shawnbon206> i never swear on irc unless in private channel. acronyms containing the first letter of a swear word are twice removed though. not being argumentative, just pointing out that everyone has different standards
[21:06] <shiftplusone> we're well aware that everyone has different standards
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[21:06] <shiftplusone> that why that particular point was explicitly stated in the rules.
[21:07] <shawnbon206> similar to how on public radio they will play a song with censored swearing but its still clear to abyone listening what those words actually are most of the time..
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[21:09] <shawnbon206> shiftplusone i suppose one could consider an acronym "self censoring" but thats not how i read it the first time [i read it]
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[21:10] <shiftplusone> Agreed
[21:10] <shawnbon206> :)
[21:10] <pksato> what ? http://www.raspberrypi.org/raspberry-pi-compute-module-new-product/
[21:11] <shawnbon206> yes, what indeeed
[21:11] <shawnbon206> i cant understand the vision here
[21:11] <shiftplusone> They get a lot of questions like "can you release a version but with ABC and without XYZ"
[21:11] <shawnbon206> why a modular system? by the time one part needs to be changed the flaws in the other half will be revealed as well
[21:12] <shiftplusone> So this is an "Okay, here's a version without XYZ, and you can add ABC if you want it"
[21:12] <shawnbon206> oh its not for the sake of future upgrades, only for customization now?
[21:12] <shawnbon206> like phone bloks
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[21:13] <shawnbon206> i want more battery and no selfies camera!
[21:13] <shiftplusone> it's for the industrial applications and such
[21:13] <shawnbon206> i got a bbb rev c on pre-order
[21:13] <shawnbon206> i am jumping ship
[21:14] <shiftplusone> D=
[21:14] <shiftplusone> betraitor!
[21:14] <shiftplusone> (the bbb is nice though)
[21:14] <shawnbon206> well i will have a spare r pi as soon as i find a replacement for my openelec
[21:14] <shawnbon206> so i will always have one lying around
[21:15] <shawnbon206> i am interested in the boards with the intel SoC too
[21:15] <shawnbon206> e.g minnowboard max
[21:16] <shawnbon206> would be nice to see those get good openelec support so i can finally play films with HD audio
[21:16] <shawnbon206> without having a $500 receiver
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[21:18] <sraue> shawnbon206, thats the same cpus/chipsets like in the Intel Baytrail NUCs, so the OpenELEC support should be there
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[21:19] <shawnbon206> \o/
[21:19] <shawnbon206> sraue ^
[21:19] <sraue> :-)
[21:19] <shawnbon206> then i can put my r pi back near my router where it belongs
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[21:20] <shawnbon206> well maybe i'll give it away. i got too many gizmos
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[21:35] <shawnbon206> sraue well i guess that SoC does have a problem with hi10p w/ flac
[21:36] <shawnbon206> i probally wont get a 2k tv for at least 5 more years tho so i think thats sufficient
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[21:37] <shawnbon206> the nuc is a little bit more than the minnowboard but it comes with its own enclosure. gonnn git the nuc i guess
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[21:38] <sraue> not sure about hi10p... i heard this is evil :-)
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[21:40] <shawnbon206> sraue the japanese love it apparently
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[22:06] <thomas_r> this is bad news :(
[22:06] <thomas_r> "With the current version of Gitlab, performance is not that bad at all - it takes about 2 seconds to switch pages."
[22:06] <shiftplusone> nice
[22:08] <thomas_r> 2 seconds for a page load was bad, even for the year 2000
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[22:12] <thomas_r> i'm having doubts that pi will be powerful enough for me
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[22:12] <thomas_r> even for a basic git server sans any external hd's
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[22:18] <thomas_r> meh, i suppose i could just have no gui
[22:18] <thomas_r> just run git and ssh in
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[22:34] <blockh34d> anyone know much about 3d video, how to encode/record it in 'the biz', or maybe own a tv with 3d mode output?
[22:35] <blockh34d> i think my headset is awesome 3d camera waiting to happen
[22:35] <blockh34d> picams are pretty awesome
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[22:35] <blockh34d> 5mp not too bad anyways
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[22:37] <phelix> My /var/cache is 500M is there a reason for this? Is it bad to remove it ?
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[22:39] <shiftplusone> phelix, apt-get clean might help
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[22:40] <phelix> I wont loose anything important by doing this will I?
[22:40] <shiftplusone> if you do, you need to re-evaluate what's important in your life.
[22:40] <phelix> lol. well I only use it for retroarch
[22:40] * ShorTie snickers
[22:41] <phelix> it doesn't store any game info or anything to important in there does it?
[22:41] <shiftplusone> I think the bulk of it is cached .deb, which are safe to remove using apt-get clean
[22:42] <shiftplusone> I just freed 1G on desktop by running that
[22:43] <ShorTie> i think if you look down another directory or 2 you will find pkg which in it is where it down loads stuff for apt-get
[22:43] <phelix> k, thanks
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[22:46] <plugwash> As a general rule in /var/cache getting rid of files is usually ok but getting rid of directories can break stuff
[22:46] <blockh34d> http://s13.postimg.org/kvykdw2dz/IMG_2521.jpg
[22:47] <shiftplusone> oh dear
[22:47] <ShorTie> fiber glass duct board tape ??
[22:48] <Encrypt> Oculus Rift v2.0
[22:48] <Encrypt> =D
[22:49] <blockh34d> heh
[22:49] <blockh34d> cardboard + vent tape
[22:50] <blockh34d> until i can 3d print approximately the same
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[22:50] <thomas_r> i can't see 3d
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[22:50] <thomas_r> hopefully an oculus rift would allow me to move the individual pictures around to allow me to see 3d
[22:51] <blockh34d> oh? please explain i might be able to make this thing do that right now
[22:51] <blockh34d> i've tried to think of some useful purpose for it
[22:51] <blockh34d> nothing yet but this sounds promising
[22:51] <thomas_r> what thing?
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[22:52] <shiftplusone> can't see 3d? that's a thing?
[22:52] <blockh34d> this headset i've made
[22:52] <thomas_r> the play's the thing
[22:52] <thomas_r> show me!
[22:52] <blockh34d> its an ar helmet
[22:52] <blockh34d> http://s13.postimg.org/kvykdw2dz/IMG_2521.jpg
[22:52] <thomas_r> to go on your air head?
[22:52] <thomas_r> hehe :)
[22:52] <blockh34d> yes
[22:52] <blockh34d> runs on power of hot air
[22:52] <blockh34d> renewable
[22:52] <thomas_r> haha - are those chocolate bars at teh front?
[22:52] <blockh34d> no cameras -> 2 lcd's
[22:53] <shiftplusone> heh
[22:53] <blockh34d> 5mp picams
[22:53] <thomas_r> all you need now is a beige costume with the ghostbusters logo on it
[22:53] <blockh34d> soon i'll be able to use them like binoculars a little
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[22:53] <blockh34d> i know!
[22:53] <blockh34d> i feel like rick moranis
[22:53] <thomas_r> you'd like to feel rick's anus?
[22:53] <blockh34d> he's always got some crazy something strapped to his head
[22:54] <IT_Sean> thomas_r: lets keep it family oriented, aye?
[22:54] <thomas_r> ok, so some people can't see in 3d because an eye is slightly out of place, which knocks the image out too far for the brain to piece together
[22:54] <thomas_r> IT_Sean: aye
[22:54] <IT_Sean> thanks
[22:54] <blockh34d> ok so this has two cameras, on per eye and one display per eye
[22:54] <blockh34d> and they can all basicallyb e moved around however is necessary
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[22:54] <thomas_r> so, by being able to move each image around separately would allow people to move the image each eye sees closer together
[22:55] <thomas_r> prisms are used atm to do this
[22:55] <blockh34d> so i think this could already correct that, but at great expense, i wonder if its worth it
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[22:55] <blockh34d> but maybe if it was much smaller and lighter
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[22:55] <thomas_r> but of course, prisms work best at a distance, for close work, not good, and of course, glasses can't be used with such 3d gaming goggles
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[22:55] <blockh34d> what surprised me is that i still need to wear glasses with that thing on
[22:55] <blockh34d> even though i wear them to be able to see far away objects
[22:56] <thomas_r> you're doing it wrong then!
[22:56] <blockh34d> gotta be
[22:56] <thomas_r> not bright enough?
[22:56] <thomas_r> crappy resolution?
[22:56] <blockh34d> i think maybe i fudged the focal distance of the optics i have now
[22:56] <blockh34d> all of the above
[22:56] <thomas_r> it does kinda look like a pinhole camera
[22:56] <blockh34d> but definately easier to see and clearer image with glasses on
[22:56] <thomas_r> with some cirtcuit boards strapped on to look impressive
[22:56] <blockh34d> \yeah those two black squares are each cameras
[22:57] <thomas_r> is that a pi on each side?
[22:57] <blockh34d> yes i'm still thinking of my back story
[22:57] <blockh34d> yes
[22:57] <blockh34d> i'll be Captain Cardboard
[22:57] <thomas_r> isn't one pi able to handle it?
[22:57] <blockh34d> not really
[22:57] <blockh34d> i have two more cams to use, night vision
[22:58] <thomas_r> can't you just mux the two camera images together
[22:58] <ShorTie> you didn't show the wagon with the battery in it you pull though
[22:58] <blockh34d> but i can't get them in the mix with current pis
[22:58] <blockh34d> soon tho
[22:58] <thomas_r> the pi has a powerful graphics processor doesn't it?
[22:58] <blockh34d> ShorTie: see that green strap on left side? that's bungeed to lil car jump start battery
[22:58] <thomas_r> do you have a photo of the image shown?
[22:58] <blockh34d> thomas_r: just but its gettin 1920x1080 @ 20 fps righ tnow
[22:59] <blockh34d> and i think that taxes it
[22:59] <thomas_r> can't you lower the res for now
[22:59] <thomas_r> it is only a prototype!
[22:59] <blockh34d> yes i'm trying to figure out how
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[22:59] <blockh34d> well the lcds are only 320x240
[22:59] <blockh34d> so its absurd
[22:59] <thomas_r> eugh
[22:59] <blockh34d> but i want to be able to eye track with this
[22:59] <blockh34d> and 'enhance'
[22:59] <blockh34d> 'enhance'
[22:59] <thomas_r> a la bladerunner
[22:59] <blockh34d> keep zoomin gin etc
[22:59] <blockh34d> yes
[22:59] <blockh34d> 10x
[22:59] <blockh34d> or 5x i guess
[22:59] <blockh34d> 6ish i suppose
[23:00] <thomas_r> i saw a camera in a local store with 40x optical zoom as advertised, though it really didn't look like 40x optical
[23:00] <blockh34d> i eventually want to use this for remote drone piloting
[23:00] <blockh34d> yah sounds pretty nuts
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[23:00] <blockh34d> i'd be impressed
[23:00] <thomas_r> yeah, building a drone for teh hell of it would be cool
[23:00] <blockh34d> but i think i'll have this tied into a gun scope soon
[23:00] <thomas_r> 1 pi would surely be powerful enough for that?
[23:00] <blockh34d> oh yah i might even let an arduino handle it
[23:00] <blockh34d> but a snowball also sounds good
[23:01] <blockh34d> since it's got a gps and accelerometer already
[23:01] <thomas_r> snowball?
[23:01] <blockh34d> yah another pi like device
[23:01] <blockh34d> pretty comparable but has a gps and some other stuff
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[23:01] <blockh34d> dead project though, once this batch is sold they're gone i guess
[23:02] <blockh34d> i wish there was a snowball-like pi configuration
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[23:02] <blockh34d> had a gps/zigbee maybe etc
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[23:03] <blockh34d> i gotta get more cables, only had one display on for that, figure out some sort of backpack for the battery
[23:03] <blockh34d> if anyone has seen aqua-teen hunger force, the episode 'E-Dork' keeps coming to mind
[23:03] <blockh34d> should watch it if looking for some funny, i think i make it extra funny today
[23:04] <blockh34d> "It's too advanced to be compatible with anything else!"
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[23:23] <thomas_r> are there plans for a 1gb pi?
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[23:23] <shiftplusone> nope
[23:24] <shiftplusone> impossible with the current SoC
[23:24] <thomas_r> oh, so what are the future plans?
[23:24] <shiftplusone> they don't reveal them
[23:24] <shiftplusone> they just announce when things are more or less ready behind the scenes
[23:25] <blockh34d> now there is bare pi on the way
[23:25] <blockh34d> may have two camera inputs and possible simultaneous dual output? i've heard rumors but its unclear
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[23:25] <thomas_r> bah, i'd hate to buy a 512mb and struggle with it, only for a 1024 which would be better to be released a few months later
[23:25] <blockh34d> pi with no plugs or anything
[23:26] <thomas_r> that's bad customer relations
[23:26] <blockh34d> no i think its good
[23:26] <blockh34d> i make games and i like having a stable release profile
[23:26] <thomas_r> you can buy the 512 off me then for the price i paid!
[23:26] <blockh34d> if there were many pi's it would break compatibility
[23:26] <blockh34d> but maybe 1gb would be nice
[23:26] <blockh34d> but i dont think they should mess with stuff too much
[23:27] <thomas_r> well, there's no law that states there has to be backwards compatability, this is low level, not a windows pc
[23:27] <blockh34d> fractures the user base and that kills the momentum i think
[23:27] <thomas_r> think ios rather than android
[23:27] <blockh34d> yah but that doesnt seem like the pi way
[23:27] <thomas_r> why should user experience suffer just for 'backwards compatability'
[23:27] <blockh34d> pi seems like an everyone kinda machine
[23:27] <thomas_r> everyone can still use it
[23:28] <blockh34d> i aim to keep my developed open to as many users as i can
[23:28] <thomas_r> however, as long as it works on the raspian version of linux, it'll be fine
[23:28] <blockh34d> well i push my game dev as far as the hardware/my code can handle
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[23:28] <blockh34d> i just released 'scamp' in the pi store btw
[23:28] <blockh34d> maybe you'd like it
[23:28] <blockh34d> free btw
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[23:30] <shiftplusone> blockh34d, it's not an Apple.
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[23:30] <thomas_r> i don't have a pi ;)
[23:30] <blockh34d> good i have a very negative opinion of apple
[23:31] <malfunct> I think that rPi is correct to keep the same standard hardware, based on their mission of education.
[23:31] <shiftplusone> I mean't thomas_r *, sorry blockh34d
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[23:31] <shiftplusone> If you buy a 512MB now, it will be just as good if a 1GB model comes out (I don't think it will)
[23:31] <blockh34d> malfunct: yes
[23:31] <malfunct> would be nice if there was enough scale and age to drive the prices down even further
[23:31] <thomas_r> malfunct: so if some super cool new technology comes out, is it fair that children don't get to use it because it will break compatability?
[23:31] <blockh34d> they're already almost free
[23:31] <thomas_r> that's.. silly :)
[23:31] <blockh34d> it amazes me
[23:32] <malfunct> thomas_r, well they can learn what they can learn on the rPi and then buy something different
[23:32] <shiftplusone> though it would be amusing if the raspberry pi guys made the pi crippled on purpose so that they could enable features for the next model every few months and then refuse to provide firmware updates for the old models >_<
[23:32] <blockh34d> thomas_r: nothing is stopping you from creating your own absolutely bleeding edge raspberry pi like device
[23:32] <thomas_r> malfunct: ie rpi loses money all because they didn't want to break compatability
[23:32] <blockh34d> but before you're halfway done it will be out of date
[23:33] <blockh34d> long before you get the first one off the floor, its outdated
[23:33] <malfunct> blockh34d, believe it or not, for a high school kid coming up with the $50 it takes to actually get a running pi isn't entirely easy
[23:33] <thomas_r> why buy something that limits their education, when they could buy from a competitor that has it all already
[23:33] <blockh34d> gotta make the most of it
[23:33] <malfunct> blockh34d, would be pretty awesome if the price of the pi itself could get down to sub $10
[23:33] <blockh34d> malfunct: oh i can relate, poverty is no fun even as an adult
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[23:33] <blockh34d> it doesnt get any better
[23:33] <blockh34d> i think its an excellent candidate for gov grants if ever anything was
[23:33] <malfunct> thomas_r, how does it limit thier education? linux would look the same with more ram and faster processor
[23:34] <thomas_r> but more could be done on it with more ram/faster processor
[23:34] <blockh34d> malfunct: yah maybe someday, a home build kit or something
[23:34] <malfunct> blockh34d, btw I am not a high school student, or even poor, just think that leveraging scale as time goes on would be really nice
[23:34] <malfunct> thomas_r, more what?
[23:34] <thomas_r> oomph
[23:34] <malfunct> thomas_r, hello world doesn't need more oomph
[23:35] <thomas_r> is that all they teach in schools?
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[23:35] <thomas_r> or, is that all the rpi allows them to do?
[23:35] <blockh34d> malfunct: yes i agree. i think some amount of that is happening and inevitable. Great! If Rasp foundation could keep all manufacturing out of China, that would be the only thing i'd change about the operation right now
[23:35] <malfunct> thomas_r, no, but I don't know anything they teach in schools that won't run on a pi
[23:35] <blockh34d> imo all chinese labor is effectively slave labor
[23:35] <blockh34d> many other parts of the world of course
[23:35] <blockh34d> seeing 'Made in UK' on my rpi always makes me happy
[23:35] <thomas_r> malfunct: photoshop?
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[23:36] <malfunct> thomas_r, I don't see why the gimp woudln't run on the pi adequately
[23:36] <blockh34d> i'm using it right now
[23:36] <malfunct> thomas_r, it ran on my 133mhz pentium back in the day and I didn't mind it
[23:36] <Encrypt> blockh34d, I have "Made in PRC" :P
[23:36] <blockh34d> on a ridiculously high res image
[23:36] <thomas_r> ai, neural networks
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[23:36] <thomas_r> with existing libraries, they're not exactly difficult to start with
[23:36] <malfunct> educational level ai and neural networks will run fine on the pi
[23:36] <blockh34d> it can do all these things
[23:36] <blockh34d> absolutely
[23:36] <blockh34d> there is an active opencv crowd
[23:37] <blockh34d> i'm thinking of making an open source david laserscanner
[23:37] <blockh34d> those picams are hardcore
[23:37] <blockh34d> 90fps
[23:37] <malfunct> nothing I learned in college (granted it was only a bachelors level computer science degree) exceeds the ability of the rPi
[23:37] <blockh34d> i think its better to extend the life of the existing device vs splinter and create new better subversions
[23:37] <malfunct> and I can say this with certainty because I completed my education using a 33mhz 486 and the departments multi user system was only a 400mhz alpha
[23:38] <blockh34d> ^5
[23:38] <blockh34d> learned on a 4.77mhz 8086
[23:38] <blockh34d> with CGA graphics
[23:38] <malfunct> blockh34d, I actually tend to think that so long as the interface stayed the same you could bump up specs, but that would raise the prices because of constant design work
[23:38] <blockh34d> did realtime 3d on it too
[23:38] <thomas_r> but how good is opencv on it though?
[23:38] <thomas_r> running it, and using it are two different things
[23:38] <malfunct> never used it to be honest
[23:38] <blockh34d> same
[23:38] <blockh34d> but i'm sure its a matter of the settings used
[23:39] <blockh34d> realistic resolution demands etc
[23:39] <malfunct> but a 900mhz arm processor (yes overclocked) is actually fairly powerful in the grand scheme of things
[23:39] <malfunct> we are extremely spoiled in modern days with the excess fo computing power we can buy
[23:39] <blockh34d> very much so, i find the sdcard write speed to be the only real bottleneck
[23:39] <malfunct> blockh34d, yeah that is admittedly annoying
[23:39] <blockh34d> i use a rpi as a desktop
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[23:39] <blockh34d> i am on it righ tnow
[23:39] <thomas_r> sure, but once that processor is connected to usb, ethernet etc, that takes its toll
[23:39] <blockh34d> i've made a reasonable game entirely on it, gimp and all
[23:40] <thomas_r> it'd be really nice if the graphics chip was directly programmable
[23:40] <blockh34d> it dominates all my media playback now
[23:40] <malfunct> thomas_r, it sounds like you aren't satisfied with the pi and that is fine, just means you are solving a different problem than they are
[23:40] <blockh34d> easily teh most capable video player
[23:40] <blockh34d> hands down best high res video player i own
[23:40] <thomas_r> malfunct: well i'm looking for something to be a local file server / git server
[23:40] <thomas_r> all single user, but it'd be nice if a pi could take it
[23:41] <malfunct> thomas_r, well the pi is extremely lacking in regards to disk IO, so probably a bad candidate
[23:41] <malfunct> would work for low usage
[23:41] <thomas_r> what i've read about running gitlab on a pi doesn't seem to be too positive. though git itself should be fine i assume
[23:41] <malfunct> the git client operates just fine
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[23:41] <thomas_r> malfunct: well, i was thinking the sd card should suffice for git commits
[23:41] <thomas_r> i'd probably upgrade to a file server at a later date, but all the connections would be by wifi
[23:41] <blockh34d> you can move the file system off the sdcard too
[23:42] <blockh34d> to maybe a usb drive i guess, or i think some people use a net share, netfs mabye?
[23:42] <malfunct> blockh34d, yeah but even the USB bandwidth is sad :) adequate for the intentions of the system, but still sad
[23:42] <blockh34d> yah thats why i think the netfs may be used, if thats what it was
[23:42] <malfunct> well ethernet is slow too
[23:42] <blockh34d> i have my pi plugged in directly to a laptop so i think about trying that out
[23:42] <thomas_r> what kind of data transfers can you get over wifi?
[23:42] <blockh34d> ah ok
[23:42] <malfunct> I think ethernet goes through the USB bus
[23:43] <blockh34d> well i can play 3gb movies through direct ethernet connection
[23:43] <blockh34d> but by wifi it was hiccups as it buffered
[23:43] <blockh34d> for anything over 2gb movies, for example
[23:43] <thomas_r> data loss?
[23:43] <malfunct> I have no idea what the actual speed of the ethernet is, but its not a full 100mbit
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[23:43] <thomas_r> data loss wouldn't exactly be useful for a git server
[23:43] <blockh34d> anything less definition was ok wifi though
[23:44] <blockh34d> no it was all there it just paused playback to buffer the data
[23:44] <blockh34d> the media player couldnt get the data via wifi fast enough to play it
[23:44] <thomas_r> see, until it sorts these things out, pi's have a very limited use imo
[23:44] <blockh34d> so playback pauses etc
[23:44] <blockh34d> well its easily solved
[23:44] <blockh34d> plug a cable in
[23:44] <blockh34d> i use it for media center as i do other stuff with iht
[23:44] <thomas_r> kinda beats the purpose of having a separate place for a git server
[23:45] <thomas_r> if i was prepared to plug a cable in, i'd use the vm on my computer that has gitlab running on it
[23:45] <blockh34d> i'm playing an mp3 from netshare while i use gimp on a 3000x3000ish image and have a slideshow going of 20 more of those images going in the background and it is still barely using 30%cpu
[23:45] <blockh34d> whlie i'm chatting and doing other stuff too
[23:45] <thomas_r> irc isn't exactly hardcore ;)
[23:45] <blockh34d> to get this much functionality out of $35 just absolutely amazes me
[23:46] <blockh34d> whatever, for $35 i'm plugged into the world
[23:46] <blockh34d> of course i have other options but not everyone does
[23:46] <blockh34d> and i'm really jazzed for them
[23:46] <thomas_r> until you want to transfer that image outwards to the world?
[23:46] <blockh34d> i hope we find a whole new crop of super hackers
[23:46] <blockh34d> i think of the kung fu movies
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[23:47] <blockh34d> where you practice with iron bar so you're fast with wooden staff
[23:47] <blockh34d> if you can make a rpi work for you, you can use any computer
[23:48] <malfunct> well any computer running a *nix style OS
[23:48] <blockh34d> its easy enough to use and get going, but to really make a functional desktop experience takes a lot of configuration
[23:48] <malfunct> and many of the rest
[23:48] <thomas_r> well don't forget, on top of $35, you have to buy an sd card, leads, charger etc
[23:48] <malfunct> thomas_r, I think that $50 is a reasonable expected starting price
[23:48] <blockh34d> i find it more intensive than pretty much any other common desktop os, so... you'll have to know what you're doing
[23:48] <thomas_r> linux isn't a desktop os imo
[23:48] <thomas_r> and that comes after trying to use it as one for years
[23:49] <blockh34d> yah ok but if you'r trying to use a rpi as a desktop, its going to take some tweaking
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[23:49] <blockh34d> that tweaking on another system might not be necessary, might be automatic, UI driven, etc... on rpi its old school like autoexc.bat and stuff... lots of little config files
[23:50] <blockh34d> iron bar of computer usage
[23:50] <malfunct> thomas_r, eh it is an adequate desktop os these days, though I agree it still has its rough edges
[23:50] <malfunct> thomas_r, its much better than when I was trying to use it 10 years ago
[23:51] <blockh34d> if it was X or dirt and sticks, i could make X work
[23:52] <blockh34d> but its not like desktops are what pis are for exactly
[23:52] <thomas_r> what i don't understand is the super power of the graphics card, compared to the seemingly weaker networking
[23:53] * blockh34d isn't trying to look taht particular gift horse in the mouth
[23:53] <thomas_r> malfunct: but it isn't comparable to windows / osx of today
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[23:53] <blockh34d> i'm just glad the gpu is pretty awesome
[23:53] <malfunct> thomas_r, its because the SoC they use has a great gpu built in, but not much in the way of native IO
[23:53] <malfunct> thomas_r, I agree with that point, but I don't think you need to be windows or osx to qualify as a desktop os
[23:54] <thomas_r> which i don't understand from a business sense, was it built as a gaming machine, or as a media device? in which case, televisions nowadays allow you to connect usb devices and browse video / picture / audio files
[23:54] <malfunct> thomas_r, you would have to ask broadcom
[23:54] <malfunct> thomas_r, I don't know what they imagined for their SoC
[23:54] <thomas_r> i meant the pi as a whole
[23:55] <malfunct> the pi was designed as a cheap computer, accessable to anyone, that would let them learn to use computers and/or development on computers
[23:56] <thomas_r> it's also sad that since the release nothing has actually been released regarding direct gpu programming
[23:56] <thomas_r> that'd be so powerful
[23:56] <blockh34d> thomas_r: maybe you'd like the odroids? i think i have that name right
[23:56] <blockh34d> those are similar to pi's but are as up to date as they can get them i think
[23:56] <thomas_r> thanks, i'll check them out
[23:56] <blockh34d> odroid u2 is i think 2ghz and gig of ram?
[23:56] <malfunct> thomas_r, there is an open source graphics driver in development by the community and they seem to have documented programming for the GPU
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[23:56] <thomas_r> hardkernel
[23:57] <ppq> there are hundreds or even thousands of ARM boards that are a lot faster than our beloved pi :)
[23:57] <blockh34d> yes enjoy
[23:57] <malfunct> thomas_r, I think there are also resources available for programming the gpu using the original driver as well
[23:57] <thomas_r> can you crunch numbers directly on it?
[23:57] <blockh34d> sticking with the pi here :)
[23:57] <blockh34d> but i may enlist the occasional odroid or snowball if necessary
[23:57] <malfunct> thomas_r, I don't think the GPU on the pi supports that
[23:57] <malfunct> thomas_r, most mobile processors don't
[23:57] <thomas_r> well that's what a gpu does ;)
[23:57] <blockh34d> yes you can use the gpu for number crunching
[23:58] <blockh34d> pretty sure i saw that in the spec clever send me
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[23:58] <blockh34d> but clever would know better i'm sure
[23:58] <malfunct> blockh34d, interesting, the last I had seen the OpenVR GPU's tended to be fixed function
[23:58] <blockh34d> malfunct: i could be wrong but i kind of rmeember thinking at the time 'oh thats nice maybe i'll number crunch with the gpu some'
[23:59] <thomas_r> odroid u3 = 1.7ghz quad core, 2gb ram, 10/100Mbps ethernet, 3 usb 2 host posrts, audio codec and jack, xubuntu 13.10 / android 4.x, 83x48mm 48g inc. heat sink
[23:59] <blockh34d> yup
[23:59] <blockh34d> have fun
[23:59] <ppq> i recently bought a china fake of the arduino mega. that's a nice piece of hardware, too, much better than the uno. and enough for most electronics stuff that does not require internet or a screen
[23:59] <malfunct> thomas_r, a gpu allows you to render graphics, it just happens that a popular way of doing that these days also allows more general purpose computing to be done
[23:59] <thomas_r> malfunct: yep
[23:59] <thomas_r> $59
[23:59] <malfunct> thomas_r, but it wasn't that long ago that all gpus had fixed piplelines and many mobile gpu's still have fixed pipelines
[23:59] <thomas_r> can't go wrong with that

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