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IRC Log for 2014-04-10

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[0:00] <daedeloth> I don't know, that 8 channel buffer thing
[0:00] <daedeloth> 8 relais, that's how I remember it.
[0:00] <shiftplusone> there should be a number on it
[0:00] <shiftplusone> I can't make it out in the photo
[0:01] <daedeloth> sn74hct244pw
[0:01] <shiftplusone> ah right
[0:01] <daedeloth> "make-3.3v-go-5v"
[0:01] <shiftplusone> yeah, those are available in DIP
[0:02] <daedeloth> http://be.farnell.com/texas-instruments/sn74hct244pw/ic-octal-buffer-line-driver-smd/dp/9591915
[0:02] <daedeloth> is this dip?
[0:02] <daedeloth> no it's not.
[0:03] <shiftplusone> look up dip chip on google images
[0:05] <shiftplusone> http://be.farnell.com/nxp/74hct244n/ic-74hct-cmos-74hct244-dip20-5v/dp/382267
[0:05] <daedeloth> great :p I just found it myself
[0:05] <daedeloth> many, many thanks.
[0:06] <daedeloth> I wonder if I still get free shipping on that...
[0:06] <shiftplusone> probably not
[0:06] <shiftplusone> over here they used to do free shipping but overcharge on parts, now they overcharge on parts and on shipping.
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[0:07] <daedeloth> heh. I do.
[0:07] <shiftplusone> nice
[0:08] <daedeloth> having a company is awesome.
[0:09] <shiftplusone> ah right
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[0:13] <daedeloth> hm actually my bread board is too small as well. and I just completed my order...
[0:13] <shiftplusone> it's fine
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[0:14] <daedeloth> but there are no bigger ones...
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[0:14] <shiftplusone> you usually combine multiple smaller ones. It's a standard size sort of thing
[0:15] <daedeloth> it works vertically, right?
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[0:15] <shiftplusone> ah?
[0:15] <daedeloth> well, I mean, the numbers are linked to eachother, right?
[0:16] <daedeloth> no, I mean
[0:16] <daedeloth> a,b,c,d,e are connected?
[0:16] <daedeloth> and f, g, h, i, j as well?
[0:16] <shiftplusone> http://www.robotroom.com/Solderless-Breadboards/Transparent-solderless-breadboard-showing-the-metal-strips-for-tie-points-underneath.jpg
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[0:16] <daedeloth> yea, exactly
[0:17] <blockh34d> i've heard bad things about breadboards and high frequency signals daedeloth, take care
[0:17] <shiftplusone> yup
[0:17] <blockh34d> like signal loss / anomaly troubles etc
[0:17] * blockh34d increases font size until he can make out text with HMD on
[0:18] <daedeloth> is 14�s high frequency?
[0:18] <Encrypt> It's not a frequency :p
[0:18] * Encrypt is a physics nazi! :p
[0:18] <daedeloth> it's not even an interval...
[0:18] <shiftplusone> it's a period.
[0:18] <blockh34d> if thats the interval it sounds like a high frequency to me
[0:18] <ppq> about 70 kHz
[0:18] <daedeloth> 14�s that is
[0:19] <shiftplusone> (low speed)
[0:19] <daedeloth> well, that's all the driver can take, so I'll be fine :)
[0:19] <daedeloth> take me to https://www.dropbox.com/s/j1fslvpasjz8oku/2014-04-10%2000.17.34.jpg
[0:20] <daedeloth> where do the wires go? I've got one line at the bottom :O
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[0:20] <shiftplusone> that's where they go
[0:20] <daedeloth> move them 12 holes to the left?
[0:20] <Encrypt> daedeloth, Yes, you haev only one pin available to put a wire in :p
[0:20] <daedeloth> and then put components there?
[0:21] <shiftplusone> to the left?
[0:21] <daedeloth> well, isn't that... close? I mean, aren't there boards that offer more space?
[0:21] <daedeloth> (to the right that is)
[0:21] <shiftplusone> to the left, there's no breadboard.
[0:21] <shiftplusone> not really
[0:21] <daedeloth> did anyone thinkg about producing such a thing? otherwise I'm goign to get rich.
[0:21] <shiftplusone> those lines are long as they are, making them longer will cause more problems
[0:21] <daedeloth> physics. why?
[0:21] <shiftplusone> parasitic capacitance
[0:22] <daedeloth> that was rethorical
[0:22] <shiftplusone> So was.. the answer >.>
[0:22] <ppq> breadboards.. i hate those things >.<
[0:23] <ppq> caused about 50% of my problems
[0:23] <daedeloth> cool. I'm going to be a hardward nerd soon.
[0:23] <shiftplusone> .... I like them
[0:23] <daedeloth> *hardware
[0:23] <shiftplusone> daedeloth, one of us... one of us!
[0:23] <daedeloth> can you also do this drunk?
[0:23] <shiftplusone> yes, as long as it's not high voltage and you don't mind letting the magic smoke out due to stupid mistakes.
[0:24] <blockh34d> some day i'll figure out how to put that smoke back in there
[0:24] <daedeloth> I've bought 10 of those damn octothingies. I'm planning to blow up 8.
[0:24] <daedeloth> (those are not the ones that will go up, are they?)
[0:24] <daedeloth> (it's going to be the pi's and the arduino's, right?)
[0:24] <daedeloth> (you know, the things that actually cost money?)
[0:25] <Encrypt> But soon anyone will be able to print PCBs \o/
[0:25] <Encrypt> No more breadboard \o/
[0:25] <blockh34d> really looking forward to that
[0:25] <daedeloth> pcb = soldering = no go.
[0:25] <daedeloth> or can you actually print chips on them as well?
[0:25] <shiftplusone> These buffers are commonly used as protection (I believe the gertboard does this), so yes.
[0:25] <Encrypt> https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/1597902824/agic-print-printing-circuit-boards-with-home-print
[0:26] <shiftplusone> unless you wire them up wrong 'course.
[0:26] <blockh34d> how do you solder onto paper?
[0:26] <Encrypt> It seems to work weel
[0:26] <Encrypt> well*
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[0:26] <Encrypt> Have a look;)
[0:26] <blockh34d> i will when i take this hmd off
[0:26] <blockh34d> trying to use a computer with it and its not realistic
[0:27] <daedeloth> can someone explain me how to put the thingies on that paper thingies?
[0:27] <blockh34d> stuff?
[0:27] <daedeloth> I especially like how they say "...compared with any other fab equipment available for the same price range."
[0:27] <daedeloth> it's paper and ink. how much cheaper can you go?
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[0:27] <shiftplusone> ink is cheap? >=/
[0:28] <daedeloth> well, no, but compared to mass producing one of those etching thingies
[0:28] * shiftplusone grumbles about having to replace toner all the time.
[0:28] <daedeloth> or however they build electronics now
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[0:28] <daedeloth> no, wait, it's still the same as 50 years ago right? light, acids, all that?
[0:29] <daedeloth> except smaller?
[0:29] <blockh34d> seems like my eyes take a while to get back into normal focus mode
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[0:29] <blockh34d> i'm going to have to figure out a better system of calibration
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[0:30] <daedeloth> I still don't understand how they put the tiny things on the big thing
[0:30] <blockh34d> oh i'm going to map the trimmer i have to a zoom amount
[0:30] <daedeloth> I'm really trying to read the text.
[0:30] <blockh34d> science man
[0:30] <daedeloth> so they print the big thing
[0:30] <daedeloth> and then they put little things on it
[0:30] <blockh34d> i use duct tape
[0:30] <daedeloth> with Pritt(c)?
[0:30] <Encrypt> bye o/
[0:30] <blockh34d> l8
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[0:31] <blockh34d> man i am gonna have to solder onto these pi's
[0:31] <daedeloth> glue.
[0:31] <blockh34d> question is, should i or should i go get two model A's and screw them up
[0:31] <daedeloth> they use glue.
[0:31] <blockh34d> special glue?
[0:31] <daedeloth> conductive glue to put the small things on the wooden paper
[0:31] <blockh34d> sounds reasonable enough
[0:31] <daedeloth> this. is not the future.
[0:31] <blockh34d> spit and wishes
[0:32] <blockh34d> in the future everything will be made of spit and wishes
[0:32] <daedeloth> it costs $600?
[0:32] <blockh34d> it will be held together by the power of your belief, like peter pan
[0:32] <daedeloth> and you get 20 pieces of paper for free.
[0:32] <daedeloth> and the little thingies are glued on the paper
[0:33] <blockh34d> i want to get eye tracking worked out
[0:33] <blockh34d> that will be sweet
[0:33] <daedeloth> I don't believe in this leap of mankind.
[0:33] <blockh34d> maybe some sort of shoulder mounted rubber band gun
[0:34] <blockh34d> having a stereo signal per ear means i'll be able to split the signal into front/back components, maybe from seperate mics
[0:34] <blockh34d> like a sub par hack of 5.1
[0:35] <daedeloth> they also use words like "nanoparticle ink"
[0:35] <blockh34d> i could have a rumble pack shake your head for the bass
[0:35] <daedeloth> printing hot copper is too far fetched probably?
[0:35] <evil_dan2wik> You should have a rumble pack in the crotch.
[0:36] <blockh34d> you assume i don't
[0:36] <blockh34d> thats a big assumption
[0:36] <daedeloth> (I almost forgot this was *the* internet.)
[0:36] <blockh34d> i'm a big fan of rez
[0:37] <blockh34d> that is a good idea though
[0:38] <blockh34d> i should watch Strange Days. So should all of you, its awesome
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[0:42] <daedeloth> https://www.dropbox.com/s/stnucx0re2165db/2014-04-10%2000.42.09.jpg
[0:43] <daedeloth> this will, very definitely, not work.
[0:43] <daedeloth> (hm, true, the 5v has to go up)
[0:43] <daedeloth> but still, I need 8 gpio's
[0:44] <daedeloth> so that's 8 lines going right
[0:44] <daedeloth> no. UX. at. all.
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[1:02] <AbbyTheRat> o_o
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[1:02] <AbbyTheRat> something that tiny.. I would of suggested reflow soldering
[1:02] <AbbyTheRat> based on what I recently learned about reflow
[1:04] <shiftplusone> daedeloth, you know you can run the wires under the board too
[1:04] <AbbyTheRat> re the chip earlier, daedeloth was talking about
[1:04] <daedeloth> no I can't
[1:04] <shiftplusone> daedeloth, take out the connector, attach the wires underneath where it will go, then put the connector back.
[1:04] <daedeloth> it's attached to some metal plate thingy
[1:05] <AbbyTheRat> daedeloth: it doesn't look glued on, looks like you can unclip it
[1:05] <daedeloth> it is indeed very easily removed.
[1:05] <shiftplusone> also, the wires don't have to be so perfectly cut to length. They can go up and then to whatever pin you want with lots of slack
[1:05] <daedeloth> :p
[1:05] <shiftplusone> so you can easily fit as many wires as you need.
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[1:05] <AbbyTheRat> but I don't have it in my hand so I wouldn't know. but you could put it under the board then reattach the board
[1:05] <daedeloth> no, has to be clean. otherwise my mind explodes
[1:05] <AbbyTheRat> ^ cableporn freak
[1:06] <shiftplusone> I hate your kind.... at uni there was always that one guy with the perfectly trimmed breadboard circuit making the rest of us look bad.
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[1:06] <shiftplusone> but yes, plenty of room under the connector anyway.
[1:07] <AbbyTheRat> and bonus
[1:07] <AbbyTheRat> you can hide the cable, daedeloth!
[1:07] <AbbyTheRat> with the metal backing
[1:07] <daedeloth> hehe, good idea ;)
[1:07] <shiftplusone> https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/175702/datasettepwr.jpg
[1:08] <daedeloth> yes. I need one of those as well.
[1:08] <daedeloth> "those" being the whole desk.
[1:08] <shiftplusone> heh
[1:08] <AbbyTheRat> daedeloth: need one of everything!
[1:08] <daedeloth> i think i'd like electronics
[1:08] <daedeloth> what does that thing on the left do?
[1:08] <shiftplusone> not if you're going to be a neat cable freak.
[1:09] <daedeloth> I'm not a neat cable freak :)
[1:09] <shiftplusone> top left or bottom left?
[1:09] <daedeloth> bottom left, the thing with the motors
[1:09] <shiftplusone> it's a c64 datasette
[1:09] <AbbyTheRat> oh, that's one huge breadboard
[1:09] <shiftplusone> it's 4 smaller breadboards side by side
[1:09] <daedeloth> hah. even I saw that.
[1:10] <daedeloth> what are you building?
[1:10] <shiftplusone> (the datasette was used to load data from casette tapes)
[1:10] <daedeloth> (I know.)
[1:10] <daedeloth> (I googled.)
[1:10] <shiftplusone> This was the beginning of my thesis last year.
[1:10] <AbbyTheRat> pfff, I'm not as advanade as the awesome shiftplusone (or everyone else)
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[1:11] <shiftplusone> A data recovery thing
[1:11] <shiftplusone> would read c64 tapes and dumb them to a usable format for emulators
[1:11] <AbbyTheRat> I'm working on very first hax project x_X
[1:11] <malfunct> some of the projects I'd like to do with my pi make me want an oscilloscope
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[1:11] <shiftplusone> malfunct, that scope in the picture is pretty cheap now
[1:11] <daedeloth> it's kindof basic equipment, right?
[1:11] <AbbyTheRat> although I still no idea what resisters I need to safely eavesdrop on the clock without burning out the pi >_>
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[1:12] <shiftplusone> AbbyTheRat, in input mode, none.
[1:12] <daedeloth> (I was very confused for about 40 seconds.)
[1:12] <daedeloth> that thing just reads current, right?
[1:12] <shiftplusone> AbbyTheRat, a pin that reads data (is in input mode), has a very high input impedance, so it doesn't let current in anyway.
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[1:12] <malfunct> shiftplusone, yeah the price is great, but still out of reach for me right now
[1:13] <malfunct> shiftplusone, some day
[1:13] <daedeloth> bah. students.
[1:13] <[Saint]> Go to some local auctions, if you have any.
[1:13] <shiftplusone> malfunct, save up. I did while getting minimum wage.
[1:13] <[Saint]> I got an ex-military O-scope for like $30
[1:13] <malfunct> daedeloth, not a student, but just have money needing to go other places right now
[1:13] <[Saint]> Deprecated because it fell out of calibration.
[1:13] <daedeloth> bah. parents.
[1:13] <shiftplusone> daedeloth, an oscilloscope? it's the thing top left in the photo. It reads the voltage and displays it over time. So you can see spikes and so on.
[1:14] <[Saint]> "calibrate it? Nah....just buy a new one" - NZ military
[1:14] <daedeloth> shiftplusone, yea, I know.
[1:14] <malfunct> shiftplusone, I do have a question about the rigol scope, is it able to save readings from a period of time? it would be hard to read digital logic live on the scope
[1:14] <shiftplusone> I thought you were asking
[1:14] <daedeloth> I just thought it read currents.
[1:14] <daedeloth> :p
[1:14] <malfunct> the only experience I have with a scope is from back in college and they ahd no memory back then
[1:14] <shiftplusone> malfunct, it can, but it's not practical for logic.
[1:14] <AbbyTheRat> ok.. I trust you, shiftplusone x_x;
[1:14] <malfunct> shiftplusone, hmmm, might not be exactly what I need then
[1:15] <shiftplusone> might be after a logic analyzer.
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[1:15] <malfunct> shiftplusone, yup I think so
[1:15] <AbbyTheRat> I woudln't mind a logic analyzer >_>;
[1:16] <shiftplusone> I lack one too =(
[1:16] <[Saint]> I'm too illogical.
[1:16] <[Saint]> I'd break one.
[1:16] <daedeloth> aren't those thigns meant to be unbreakable?
[1:16] <shiftplusone> but I don't do much electronicsy stuff lately, so I can't justify buying one.
[1:17] <malfunct> what I want to do is have my arduino act as an n64 controller, lots of projects to read the controller with arduino, but none to emulate it
[1:17] <AbbyTheRat> that's the problem, I can't either, shiftplusone
[1:17] <AbbyTheRat> the only thing I could use it for is my clock so I have to resort to trying with the pi
[1:17] <[Saint]> shiny thingsd have never required justification in the past... ;)
[1:18] * shiftplusone is in the position where every purchase requires justification.
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[1:18] * AbbyTheRat is in the same position.. maybe worse off
[1:18] <AbbyTheRat> I couldn't even afford a pi, [Saint] for a long time
[1:19] <daedeloth> AbbyTheRat, now I'm wondering a bit, where do you live?
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[1:20] <AbbyTheRat> shiftplusone.. I've lost count the number of times people asked me that o_o
[1:20] <AbbyTheRat> in the last 3 weeks
[1:20] <knob> Hello everyone =)
[1:20] <shiftplusone> heh
[1:21] <shiftplusone> Hello, sir.
[1:21] <AbbyTheRat> why "knob", knob? Why pick that name? andd.. Ottawa, Canada
[1:21] <knob> I am looking at this image (link)... yet that isn't exactly the one in the rPi.... any idea where I can get the rPi's RJ45 plug schematic?
[1:21] <knob> AbbyTheRat, =)
[1:21] <knob> shiftplusone, hey yah
[1:21] <knob> :)
[1:21] <knob> http://hz01.i.aliimg.com/img/pb/015/483/253/1276475593589_hz-myalibaba-web2_6885.jpg
[1:21] <daedeloth> shiftplusone, where do you live then?
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[1:21] <daedeloth> I hardly have any justification for anything I buy.
[1:21] <AbbyTheRat> somewhere over there, otherside of the world
[1:21] <shiftplusone> daedeloth, Melbourne, Australia
[1:22] <knob> I am going to solder the ethernet cables to the board... yet that image isn't exactly the rPi's ... and I did a continuity test, yet it doesn't beep
[1:22] <daedeloth> isn't everyone rich over there?
[1:22] <shiftplusone> not when they're lazy bums.
[1:22] <daedeloth> so you're a lazy bumb?
[1:22] <daedeloth> bum.
[1:22] <daedeloth> it's bum. not bumb.
[1:22] <shiftplusone> typo
[1:23] <AbbyTheRat> bumb.. sounds fitting for shiftplusone.. it really does <_<
[1:23] * AbbyTheRat gets ready to be kicked
[1:23] <daedeloth> so, are you one?
[1:23] <daedeloth> why?
[1:23] <daedeloth> and how?
[1:23] * knob kicks AbbyTheRat
[1:23] <daedeloth> and when?
[1:23] <shiftplusone> No, but I hate 9-5 jobs, so I am trying to work around being a productive member of society.
[1:24] <daedeloth> I also hate 9 to 5
[1:24] <daedeloth> so I'm doing 10 till 22.
[1:24] <AbbyTheRat> I hate 9 to 5 as well
[1:24] <daedeloth> it's much better.
[1:24] <shiftplusone> I've got an awesome job lined up that I won't mind doing 9 to 5 and loving, but that's a while away.
[1:24] <daedeloth> why?
[1:24] <shiftplusone> Need to finish a book first.
[1:24] <AbbyTheRat> education, most likely, daedeloth :)
[1:25] <shiftplusone> Nuh, I've done with education.
[1:25] <daedeloth> a book?
[1:25] <daedeloth> I am utterly confused.
[1:25] <AbbyTheRat> soo.. education > book > job?
[1:25] <daedeloth> (I'm also very proud to know the word "utterly")
[1:25] <shiftplusone> heh
[1:25] <ppq> yes, that word is nice. add two letters and you get butterfly.
[1:26] <AbbyTheRat> meh
[1:26] <AbbyTheRat> I prefer butterfree
[1:26] <daedeloth> no. butterly.
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[1:27] * shiftplusone wonders if the origin of 'butterfly' has anything to do with 'butter'
[1:27] <shiftplusone> certainly don't look like flying butter, so what's up with that.
[1:27] <daedeloth> did you ever taste a butterfly?
[1:27] <shiftplusone> that might be it
[1:27] <knob> This... any idea the correlation of 1-8 in the board? https://uisapp2.iu.edu/confluence-prd/download/attachments/216170619/Cisco%20RJ45%20Pinout.png?version=1&modificationDate=1371841770000&api=v2
[1:27] <daedeloth> I haven't.
[1:27] <shiftplusone> I guess that's where butter comes from.
[1:27] * ppq does the wikipedia bot
[1:27] <ppq> The name is derived from Middle English buterflie, butturflye, boterflye, from Old English butorflēoge, buttorflēoge, buterflēoge, perhaps a compound of butor (beater), mutation of bēatan (to beat), and flēoge (fly).[2]
[1:27] <daedeloth> knob, you need to change the direction of your capacitor.
[1:28] <shiftplusone> knob, what exact information are you after?
[1:28] <AbbyTheRat> That actually make sense, cause to make butter you beat the milk
[1:28] <AbbyTheRat> butterfly beat their wings
[1:28] <knob> I want to know, which RJ45 pin, goes to which pin on the rPi's board
[1:29] <pksato> knob: no one correlation.
[1:29] <shiftplusone> knob, then shouldn't you be looking at http://www.raspberrypi.org/wp-content/uploads/2012/10/Raspberry-Pi-R2.0-Schematics-Issue2.2_027.pdf ?
[1:29] <knob> Obviously, they physically *kinda* follow... yet I don't want to solder, just to have it messed up
[1:29] <daedeloth> (doesn't the rPi (why the capitcal P?) just have an ethernet connection?)
[1:29] <AbbyTheRat> ha.. circuit diagram.. *mind blows up ;-; *
[1:29] <pksato> this is serial console cable for some type of router.
[1:30] <knob> damn... I found it on page 3 at the bottom right... yet... stil.. ... unsure
[1:30] <knob> who goes where
[1:31] * shiftplusone goes back to work.
[1:31] <daedeloth> ah, yes. you are still in day time.
[1:32] <pksato> but, if other end of cable have a DB9 or DB25 connector, you can use a LVTTL to RS232 converter. and connect do RPi UART.
[1:32] <knob> kinda this: http://www.raspberrypi.org/wp-content/uploads/2012/03/Magjack1.jpg
[1:32] <pksato> and, computer or other terminal have a RS232 port.
[1:34] <daedeloth> I give up. I'm not going to be a hardware nerd.
[1:34] <shiftplusone> daedeloth, why do you say that?
[1:35] <daedeloth> you need a db9 to db25 connector and then you connect your lvttl to rs232 and maybe throw a 74hct244n in there to protect the chip?
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[1:35] <daedeloth> I can't follow that.
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[1:35] <shiftplusone> daedeloth, do you need to?
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[1:36] <daedeloth> I want to make a desk. That goes up. and down. Electronically.
[1:36] <daedeloth> I don't need any of those things.
[1:36] <AbbyTheRat> I wouldn't mind remote control windows
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[1:36] <blockh34d> i want remote control candles
[1:36] <AbbyTheRat> butttt.. not my house, let alone affording motors and relays and stuff
[1:36] <shiftplusone> daedeloth, what he's saying is that if you want to connect the pi to the PC's serial port you need to convert the voltage levels.
[1:36] <blockh34d> some sort of magic ring that triggers them on/off
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[1:37] <daedeloth> hm, that kindof makes sence.
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[1:38] <blockh34d> anyone suggested accelerometer/magnetometer/gps modules for PI? i think i'm going to go get some stuff
[1:38] <shiftplusone> daedeloth, the pi has 3.3v logic (LVTTL), RS-232 (the PC's serial port) has silly voltages that go from negative to positive and are quite high.
[1:38] <evil_dan2wik> daedeloth, how does it kind of make sence? It makes perfect sence. 12v+- going into a 5v TTL serial port would kill it.
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[1:38] <evil_dan2wik> Oh right, pi is 3.3v
[1:38] <daedeloth> but, like, those chips... how do you know that 74hct244n equals 8 relais?
[1:38] <shiftplusone> it doesn't equal any relays*
[1:38] <daedeloth> how can you remember those things?
[1:39] <shiftplusone> relays are something else
[1:39] <shiftplusone> It's a common chip
[1:39] <shiftplusone> now you know it too
[1:39] <daedeloth> well, you put current trough it and it makes other current go trough it. It's a relays.
[1:39] <shiftplusone> I don't remember the part number off the top of my head, but I can easily find it.
[1:39] <daedeloth> but.. how?
[1:39] <shiftplusone> no, relays are something else
[1:39] <AbbyTheRat> relays allows you control other things
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[1:39] <AbbyTheRat> instead of chips
[1:39] <shiftplusone> for starters, I have the datasheet bookmarker
[1:39] <pksato> 244 is a transiver, used to share I/O.
[1:39] <shiftplusone> *bookmarked
[1:40] <daedeloth> this chip allows me to control another chip. So. I win.
[1:40] <evil_dan2wik> daedeloth, A relay is a mechanical switch powered with electricity.
[1:40] <shiftplusone> otherwise, I can google octal buffer chip and it will pop right up.
[1:40] <daedeloth> well, yes, but the logical diagram is the same.
[1:40] <evil_dan2wik> daedeloth, chips can drive other chips but that doesn't mean it is a relay.
[1:40] <shiftplusone> buffer != relay
[1:40] <daedeloth> according to your previous definition, it is.
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[1:41] <daedeloth> ok, yea, I understand the difference
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[1:41] <daedeloth> it's all related to how it works and all that, and how it works defines the power it can deliver and bla bla. yea, I understand. I'm acting silly
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[1:42] <daedeloth> but still, to call it an "octal buffer".. and there is going to be many more of thosenames that I will surely forget
[1:42] <daedeloth> and I still don't understand what a transistor actually does.
[1:42] <shiftplusone> 'octal' just means that there are eight of them
[1:42] <daedeloth> yea, I got that part ;)
[1:42] <daedeloth> I don't really see how a relais can be called a "buffer", but okay.
[1:43] <daedeloth> (also, it's not a relais. i know)
[1:43] <shiftplusone> a transistor allows one signal to turn another one on or off (in a most direct sense), it's a gate. They have many other properties which make them useful for all sorts of applications.
[1:43] <pksato> daedeloth: you know what is eletric switch?
[1:43] <daedeloth> no. It sounds like a relay.
[1:44] * shiftplusone deletes the word 'relay' from daedeloth.
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[1:44] <daedeloth> it sounds like a magnetically controller electronical switch.
[1:44] <shiftplusone> relays are mechanical and slow. transistors are stupidly fast, but can't carry much current.
[1:45] <shiftplusone> and they're tiny
[1:45] <shiftplusone> they're like the cell of electronics. everything is made of them
[1:45] <daedeloth> from now on, I will call them "tiny relais".
[1:45] <shiftplusone> k
[1:45] <daedeloth> wait
[1:45] <daedeloth> that's what a transitor is?
[1:46] <daedeloth> it is!
[1:46] <daedeloth> I understand all electronics now!
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[1:49] <shiftplusone> you kind of do
[1:50] <daedeloth> I'm sure there is some analogue stuff going on that I don't have any clue about.
[1:50] <shiftplusone> in the first lecture of one of my electrical engineering courses, the lecturer showed us transistors, how to fit them to make a NAND gate and said "and that's all you need to know"
[1:51] <shiftplusone> 'course he lies, because he later went on to teach all the other logic gates, state machines, flip flops, k-maps and so on.
[1:51] <daedeloth> well, yea, that's the whole thing, I understand (the basics) of how an ALU works, of how a CPU works... but I have no clue what actually happens on a physical level
[1:51] <shiftplusone> *lied
[1:51] <shiftplusone> nobody does, it's all quantum magic.
[1:51] <shiftplusone> but look up semiconductors
[1:52] <[Saint]> If more people understood how CPUs work, I think there would be a much higher rate of mental health issues.
[1:52] <shiftplusone> you have a pnp or npn junction where you adjust the depletion zone by applying different voltage to the gate.
[1:52] <[Saint]> It really is bloody insane when you think about it.
[1:52] <shiftplusone> the size of the depletion zone determines how many electrons can tunnel through
[1:52] <daedeloth> [Saint], is it?
[1:53] <[Saint]> daedeloth: very.
[1:53] <daedeloth> if you only look at it logically, it's all quite simple...
[1:53] <[Saint]> ~
[1:53] <daedeloth> but then you start adding things, and adding more, and then it quickly becomes very complex
[1:53] <daedeloth> but the basics are amazingly simple
[1:53] <[Saint]> If you look at it like "it a bunch of tiny wires making calculations and every single one of them up until this point has been correct", its blimmin' insane.
[1:53] <shiftplusone> it doesn't become complex, because you have abstractions to help you cope.
[1:54] <shiftplusone> You don't think of the CPU in terms of each individual transistor
[1:54] <shiftplusone> you subdivide it into function blocks
[1:54] <blockh34d> and computers to help make better computers
[1:54] <daedeloth> no, but someone has to
[1:54] <shiftplusone> which is much simpler to handle
[1:54] <daedeloth> someone has soldered the first alu
[1:54] <[Saint]> Right. Thinking about a modern CPU broken down into individual components is what I was meaning.
[1:54] <daedeloth> with tubes :O
[1:54] <blockh34d> not using the computer to design better computers would be like trying to make a car in a world without any existing vehicles... quite a task
[1:54] <shiftplusone> and they did it by building up block of other things
[1:54] <[Saint]> Looking at it from that POV, it is rather nuts.
[1:54] <shiftplusone> adders, multiplexers and so on
[1:55] <daedeloth> [Saint], even know. Intel has a huge instruction set, but something ARM based is quite simple to build really...
[1:55] <shiftplusone> You're assuming the first computer has an intel i7 (or whatever the fancy cpu is nowadays)
[1:55] <blockh34d> Gibson
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[1:55] <blockh34d> Automatic Gibson
[1:55] <[Saint]> "We" have a different idea of "simple", though.
[1:56] <[Saint]> Think of the fact that most people see what we do and legit think its magic.
[1:56] <daedeloth> I don't know what an octo buffer thingy does.
[1:56] <[Saint]> Average Joe gets his mind blown regularly.
[1:56] <daedeloth> I'm one of those people. :p
[1:57] <shiftplusone> daedeloth, then read the datasheet until you do
[1:57] <blockh34d> daedeloth: persistance will make the difference for between temporarily ignorant and permanently unable to be a hardware guru
[1:57] <shiftplusone> they have a logic diagram to help you
[1:57] <blockh34d> imo it is the only relevant factor
[1:57] <shiftplusone> if you understand an inverter, you can understand the 244
[1:57] <daedeloth> can I please stay in my software character?
[1:57] <blockh34d> just keep at it, try to stay patient, calm, and careful with your materials
[1:57] <[Saint]> Those same people see an early computer/tape machine and absolutely can't make the connection between what it is and their fancy twitter/facebook machines.
[1:57] <[Saint]> I find it amusing.
[1:58] <[Saint]> Its inseperable from magic to them.
[1:58] <blockh34d> [Saint]: yes me too one of my favorite tricks for them is to bet them that i can count over a 1000 on my hands and then do so with binary
[1:58] * shiftplusone hands [Saint] a CSIRAC
[1:58] <shiftplusone> make it twitter.
[1:58] <blockh34d> or at least show them how it would be done
[1:58] <daedeloth> blockh34d, euh, how do you do that?
[1:58] <daedeloth> because that is very illogical.
[1:59] <blockh34d> 10000 = 1, 01000 = 2, 11000 = 3, 00100 = 4 etc
[1:59] <[Saint]> That magic of biiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiinary....echo...echo...echo...
[1:59] <blockh34d> that'd be one hand
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[1:59] <daedeloth> in that case I can count till 100000000000
[1:59] <blockh34d> and i think i might be putting the bits in the wrong order, technically speaking, not 100% sure though
[1:59] <daedeloth> and yes.
[1:59] <blockh34d> but if you follow that pattern you'll find you can cound to i believe 1023
[1:59] <[Saint]> That's actually another good point. To a lot of people even semi-complex math is indestinguishable from magic.
[2:00] <[Saint]> Have you *seen* the way they're teaching children to do simple arithmatic these days?
[2:00] <daedeloth> if you use your hands to count in binary you can only use 2 fingers. if it goes for decimal it also goes for binary.
[2:00] <[Saint]> The working seems amazing overcomplicated.
[2:00] <[Saint]> But its apparently the "simple" way. 0_o
[2:00] <blockh34d> [Saint]: imo programming should be more emphasized, it creates good problem solving skills
[2:00] <blockh34d> something no other class really seems to care about
[2:01] <blockh34d> memorization is way too emphasized imo
[2:01] <daedeloth> imho imo used to be imho.
[2:01] <blockh34d> now we all have a 'look it up on google' approach to fixing anything, i worrya bout that too, long term
[2:01] <daedeloth> I liked the days when imo was imho
[2:01] <daedeloth> people were more nice.
[2:01] <blockh34d> yah i'm just being honest, i'm really not that humble
[2:01] <daedeloth> :p
[2:01] <blockh34d> i try to be but only so much i can do
[2:01] <daedeloth> well, I'm one of those guys who google everything
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[2:02] <daedeloth> I learn from what I need
[2:02] <blockh34d> yes its a good thing mostly
[2:02] <[Saint]> I'll try and find an example of this craziness they're teaching children now. My 7yo neice came back with some stuff I looked at, which she was having a really hard time 'clicking' with. I showed her the way I was taught, the way most everybody around the age of 30~35 was taught, and *bam*, she lit up and math is all of a sudden fun for her and she totally gets it.
[2:02] <[Saint]> Not only does she get it, she's taching other children at her school to throw out the curriculum method and do it "her way".
[2:02] <blockh34d> yeah the incompetance of the teaching has always amazed me in our schools
[2:02] <blockh34d> i honestly think a pack of wild wolves would do a better job
[2:03] <daedeloth> right now I need to build a desk that goes up and down. So I learn about GPIO. And then I see I'm limited at the rPi So I buy an octo relay thingy. So I learn about that. And I connect everything up. And next week my education will be (temporary) over.
[2:03] <blockh34d> you could use a stepper to spin some all thread
[2:03] <daedeloth> and it's probably the wrong way to learn something.
[2:03] <blockh34d> a special kind i think is called acme threading
[2:03] <[Saint]> this - this is it http://imgur.com/uePcpfB
[2:03] <blockh34d> that will lift/lower quite a lot of weight
[2:03] <[Saint]> tell me that's not crazy.
[2:04] <[Saint]> (not my pic, btw, just found an example on imgur)
[2:04] <[Saint]> That's what my neice is being taght presently. Or was, until I taught her the classic method and now she suddenly understand it.
[2:04] <daedeloth> blockh34d, I'm the software guy :) currently we're using a stepper, but not trapezoid thingy thingy.
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[2:05] <cbebop> Hello hello
[2:05] <shiftplusone> hey
[2:05] <blockh34d> that makes no sense [Saint] none at all
[2:06] <cbebop> I was wondering if anyone might be able to tell me a way to have thre raspberry pi's onboard audio be default for speakers while having a usb card default for mic
[2:06] <blockh34d> daedeloth: software guy gets replaced by an AI, be the software/hardware guy, she's harder to fire imo
[2:06] <[Saint]> (the image on the left is the example, btw. no idea what the image on the right is, I could've probably found a better example)
[2:07] <blockh34d> i think i would violently reject that new method if i was in school now
[2:07] <blockh34d> riot etc
[2:07] <blockh34d> is this in america now or uk?
[2:07] <cbebop> if I set the usb as default then I cant accesss thre on board 3.5, if I set the onboard, I cant access the USB mic which is part of the lapdock
[2:07] <[Saint]> blockh34d: a few other kids at her school just don't get it either. But most of them shine with it apparently.
[2:07] <daedeloth> blockh34d, I'm pretty sure it won't be for the next 50 years. after that I'm probably fine.
[2:07] * [Saint] shrugs
[2:07] <daedeloth> besides, the hardware guys will probably be replaced by printers.
[2:08] <daedeloth> �nd you're already replaced by algorithms anyway.
[2:08] <blockh34d> yah we're all fired eventually
[2:08] <blockh34d> basic income ftw
[2:08] <blockh34d> otherwise, get ready for neo-serfdom
[2:09] <[Saint]> I really enjoy spending time with my neice, and it was apparent that she was starting to actually dread math and go out of her way to avoid trying to do her homework. That sucked. I didn't like that one bit. Now its not a problem and she's actually enjoying the work.
[2:09] <blockh34d> we'll be the most pampered paupers of all time
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[2:09] <blockh34d> 3g in every gutter
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[2:09] <[Saint]> 3G? Pfffft. Dat LTE bro.
[2:09] <blockh34d> streaming hulu from any cardboard box in the alley
[2:09] <shiftplusone> Why the fuss about mobile broadband speeds?
[2:10] <blockh34d> wehn i was homeless hav ing 3g was kinda noteable but yah 4g was a big improvement
[2:10] <blockh34d> huge
[2:10] <daedeloth> I should probably go to bed.
[2:10] <daedeloth> homeless? was? you? when? how?
[2:10] <blockh34d> what do yall think of 'local immersion device' for my helmet project
[2:10] <shiftplusone> The amount of data you can get (at least over here) is so silly that you can run through your month's allowance in a few minutes anyway.
[2:10] <blockh34d> 'LID'
[2:10] <blockh34d> daedeloth: yah for a couple years
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[2:10] <daedeloth> leaves the "how"
[2:10] <[Saint]> shiftplusone: aye.
[2:10] <blockh34d> lived in some woods, worked on opengl game about being a bird
[2:10] <daedeloth> and the why
[2:11] <blockh34d> askesis
[2:11] <daedeloth> you're a druggy?
[2:11] <[Saint]> Australasia is badly broken wrt mobile data plans
[2:11] <blockh34d> cynic askesis
[2:11] <shiftplusone> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0cTloKUKhe0
[2:11] <blockh34d> its not family friendly subject i suspect
[2:11] <blockh34d> i self medicate
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[2:11] <daedeloth> no worries, I'm not family.
[2:11] <blockh34d> well for the channel sake
[2:11] <daedeloth> I also had to google asceticism
[2:12] <blockh34d> askesis
[2:12] <[Saint]> shiftplusone: My only saving grace for my mobile is a grandfathered plan not offered for about 7 years or so now that they can't kick me off of until I decide to leave. :)
[2:12] <blockh34d> its different
[2:12] <blockh34d> Diogenese 'training'
[2:12] <shiftplusone> heh
[2:12] <daedeloth> I'm confused now. And quite drunk.
[2:12] <blockh34d> how to live like a mouse
[2:12] <[Saint]> If I didn;t have that, I would be paying through the nose for the data I use.
[2:12] <daedeloth> aaah, I know diogenese. That's dancing until you get hich.
[2:12] <daedeloth> but right now people use drugs for that.
[2:12] <daedeloth> so, how did it go? Are you still homeless?
[2:12] <blockh34d> diogenese was a great Cynic, the second of them
[2:13] <daedeloth> Also, where did you do this?
[2:13] <blockh34d> no i have a little place now
[2:13] <blockh34d> duplex, i rent out half of it, parents helped out a lot and still do
[2:13] <daedeloth> how old are you?
[2:13] <blockh34d> we got a very good deal on it since its in the ghetto and needed a lot of work
[2:13] <daedeloth> am I too old to do crazy things like that?
[2:13] <blockh34d> 38
[2:13] <blockh34d> i dunno, it was a blast though
[2:13] <daedeloth> I'm still young anough to do crazy things.
[2:13] <blockh34d> i loved it and will do it again some day
[2:13] <blockh34d> but on my land
[2:14] <daedeloth> that's kindof my goal
[2:14] <blockh34d> trick is to get a shelter worked out below grade
[2:14] <daedeloth> to first become rich and then just do crazy things
[2:14] <blockh34d> and it does half the work for you in winter
[2:14] <blockh34d> then put a fireplace in that and you're ready to go
[2:14] <blockh34d> all i really need is my pocket knife and a dog
[2:15] <blockh34d> everything else is optional.... i find that empowering and recommend it to anyone willing to get dirty
[2:15] <blockh34d> careful, you get rich, you become busy
[2:15] <blockh34d> guarding your wealth
[2:16] <blockh34d> it soon could own you
[2:16] <blockh34d> poverty is not without its up sides and being unleashed is one of them
[2:16] <blockh34d> really poverty is a relative thing
[2:16] <blockh34d> if you don't need money you wont miss the absense of it
[2:16] <blockh34d> abcense? hmm i should look that up
[2:16] <daedeloth> hm, yea, I think I know what you mean.
[2:17] <blockh34d> irc needs autospell
[2:17] <daedeloth> but I am not brave enough
[2:17] <blockh34d> it is scary
[2:17] <blockh34d> i was ready to die
[2:17] <blockh34d> i can not stand the premise of our society
[2:17] <daedeloth> yea, I might turn out to be the pussy that needs his wife and financial stability
[2:17] <blockh34d> i wish i could think of a way to more effectively fight for a reality i believe in
[2:17] <shiftplusone> daedeloth, family friendly channel
[2:18] <daedeloth> what, for using pussy? in the non sexual way?
[2:18] <shiftplusone> yes
[2:18] <daedeloth> oh, ok, will mind then.
[2:18] <shiftplusone> thanks
[2:18] <blockh34d> it will get better though
[2:19] <blockh34d> it has always gotten better, over time
[2:19] <daedeloth> for you, you mean?
[2:19] <blockh34d> for humans
[2:19] <blockh34d> 2000 years ago was messed up man
[2:19] <blockh34d> so much better now, even with the problems
[2:19] <daedeloth> 50 years ago was messed up.
[2:19] <blockh34d> ya
[2:19] <blockh34d> give it a minute, some things will sort themselves out
[2:19] <daedeloth> we've had a good last 50 years, yes.
[2:19] <blockh34d> just wait
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[2:19] <Tachyon`> not really
[2:19] <blockh34d> soon we'll be nearly immortal
[2:20] <blockh34d> and dancing around the stars
[2:20] <blockh34d> colonizing far planets
[2:20] <daedeloth> Tachyon`, where are you from?
[2:20] <Tachyon`> just differnet people doing the killing than 50 years ago
[2:20] <Tachyon`> it's no better really
[2:20] <blockh34d> it isn't
[2:20] * Tachyon` is in england
[2:20] <daedeloth> well, for us it's been a good 73 years :)
[2:20] <daedeloth> 74. I'm getting old.
[2:20] <blockh34d> but the internet and our evolution as a species gives us new options
[2:20] <Tachyon`> ah, belgium
[2:21] <daedeloth> 69. I can't count at all.
[2:21] <blockh34d> i think maybe what we need is self replicating drones
[2:21] <Tachyon`> wtf
[2:21] <blockh34d> that dismantle our world into theirs
[2:21] <Tachyon`> have you not seen stargate?
[2:22] <blockh34d> it will unite us
[2:22] <daedeloth> yea I'm also not a big fan of that.
[2:22] <blockh34d> or
[2:22] <daedeloth> well, it will kill us.
[2:22] <blockh34d> have them only hunt down not-occupied military gear
[2:22] <blockh34d> so if its military, and not currently manned, it gets dismantled
[2:22] <blockh34d> until theres no military, anywhere
[2:22] <daedeloth> you're self medicating too much.
[2:22] <Tachyon`> there'll always be a military
[2:22] <daedeloth> military != tools
[2:22] <blockh34d> then they spontaneously self destruct
[2:23] <Tachyon`> just if you did that they'd chuck rocks at each other
[2:23] <blockh34d> yes
[2:23] <blockh34d> its true
[2:23] <Tachyon`> of course the military are tools, heh
[2:23] <blockh34d> well gotta think outside the box, who knows where the magic bullet will come from
[2:23] <Tachyon`> always someone in a suit telling them when to fight
[2:23] <blockh34d> maybe a microwave field effect weapon that preemptively detonates all ammo
[2:23] <daedeloth> this is getting too deep. I'm heading for bed.
[2:23] <blockh34d> making most weapons out-dated and a liability
[2:24] <daedeloth> still, even a military without weapons would be a military.
[2:24] <blockh34d> or some similar epic jump in technology
[2:24] <blockh34d> yah the plan has glaring flaws
[2:24] <daedeloth> what jump? quantum mechanics? bending space time?
[2:24] <blockh34d> we'll keep working on it
[2:24] <Tachyon`> you can't fix it that way, the only solution I can think of is educating people so fighting is off the table, heh
[2:24] <blockh34d> nanotech, super medicine
[2:24] <Tachyon`> but you'd have to do it everywhere
[2:24] <blockh34d> i just dont know how to do that
[2:24] <blockh34d> what if we just didnt die as easy
[2:25] <daedeloth> we've kindof stayed the same a specy for about 2000 years. I think we'll stay the same for another 2000 :)
[2:25] <daedeloth> just better tools.
[2:25] <Tachyon`> as there's no shortage of nuclear armed nut jobs (russia, israel, pakistan)
[2:25] <Tachyon`> who would probably launch if they thought they could get away with it
[2:25] <blockh34d> like we could get a new body printed out, with out existence downloaded onto it, and a new jumpstart, and so easily that warfare changed fundamentally
[2:25] <Tachyon`> er, the new BSG cylons did that
[2:25] <daedeloth> :D
[2:25] <daedeloth> bed time
[2:25] <daedeloth> cya
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[2:25] <blockh34d> gnite
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[2:26] <blockh34d> i don't know how to struggle against the jerks of the world without becoming a jerk
[2:27] <Tachyon`> pakistan really worry me, what with all the religious fanatics and tactical nukes that can fit in a suitcase, wondering how long it'll be before one of those escapes and goes off somewhere
[2:27] <blockh34d> its one of those subtle things i have a hard time piecing together, seems impossible but i think people do operate effectively within those guidelines, sometimes, somehow
[2:27] <blockh34d> i worry about cia disappearing that plane and then packing it with nukes, parking it on hotbed of political opponents to generate more defense budget
[2:28] <blockh34d> hey
[2:28] <blockh34d> prolly new topic
[2:28] <Tachyon`> yeah, I don't much trust america either but at least they escaped mccain/palin
[2:28] <Tachyon`> that would have been a disaster
[2:28] <blockh34d> i guess i dunno feeels too dark for rpi chan
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[2:28] <blockh34d> yeah
[2:28] <blockh34d> its all a rigged show anyways
[2:28] <Tachyon`> aye, true
[2:28] <blockh34d> i'll take pure democracy + 100% transparency please
[2:28] <Tachyon`> not that the electoral system here is any better
[2:28] <blockh34d> anything else is a sham
[2:29] <Tachyon`> the swiss system looks interesting
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[2:29] <blockh34d> yes
[2:29] <blockh34d> truer implementation of democracy imo
[2:29] <blockh34d> america is a republic
[2:29] <Tachyon`> indeed, but turkeys don't vote for christmas so we'll not see that here I suspect
[2:29] <blockh34d> republics are a bigotted institution imo, fundamenatlly
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[2:30] <blockh34d> you are from Turkey?
[2:30] <Tachyon`> no, england
[2:30] <blockh34d> oh i see
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[2:30] <blockh34d> yah i would love to see any of the swiss initiatives discussed lately implemented
[2:30] <blockh34d> like the pay ratio cap
[2:30] <blockh34d> or mincome/basic income
[2:30] <blockh34d> people seem to think it'd be bad on economy, i think thats all lies
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[2:31] <blockh34d> economy would go bonkers
[2:31] <blockh34d> look at success of rpi foundation adopting nonprofit business model for example
[2:31] <blockh34d> by some estimations, they should have failed for lack of operating capital
[2:32] <blockh34d> but quite the opposite in reality
[2:32] <blockh34d> have to go, nice chatting all
[2:32] <blockh34d> bbl
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[3:56] <ball> Is there a Raspberry Pi image that works as an RDP terminal?
[3:58] <shiftplusone> as in... without installing anything extra?
[3:58] <ball> Ideally yes, though I'm not beyond installing rdesktop if necessary.
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[3:59] <ball> I just thought it might be a common enough thing that there might already be an image just for that.
[3:59] <shiftplusone> I am sure there's something pre-made out there, but the default image (and the minimal netinstall) both enable ssh by default, so it's very easy to get things going.
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[4:04] <ball> shiftplusone: ssh server? So that I can ssh in and install rdesktop? Why couldn't I do that from the console?
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[4:06] <shiftplusone> because I misunderstood your question and thought you wanted an RDP server rather than client. >.>
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[4:07] <ball> Ah, right.
[4:07] * ball ponders
[4:07] <ball> I need longer fan cables.
[4:07] <pksato> ball: check berryterminal, and other that I no recall name
[4:07] <ball> thanks pksato
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[4:09] <ball> pksato: That'll be handy for one of my sites, where I'm likely to be able to use Linux for the server.
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[4:09] <pksato> other is http://rpitc.blogspot.com.br/
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[4:41] <Demon_Jester> Hey guys I am working on a cron job, I am wanting a cron job to run from 8 am to 9:30pm is this how it would be done? (00,30 8,21 * * * /path/to/file)
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[4:43] <clever> Demon_Jester: that would run it 4 times a day, at 8:00, 8:30, 21:00, and 21:30
[4:44] <Demon_Jester> ok thought so
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[4:44] <Demon_Jester> so I can only have it 00 8-21 * * *
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[4:45] <clever> that would run it every hour, at 9, 10, 11 ... 19, 20, 21
[4:45] <clever> i believe
[4:48] <Demon_Jester> actually nevermind I got this now, I will have one cron job to start it at 8 am then second cron job to stop it at 9:30 pm
[4:48] <Demon_Jester> ok were good now.
[4:49] <clever> yeah, that sounds like it fits your original question
[4:49] <Demon_Jester> sorry just doing other things, multitasking gets bit hectic.
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[7:33] <Ben64> Hello, is there a good accelerated xorg yet
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[7:55] <shiftplusone> Ben64, nope
[7:55] <shiftplusone> it's not on the agenda
[7:56] <Ben64> i see some stuff about it in NOOBS
[7:56] <shiftplusone> referring to fbturbo?
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[7:57] <Ben64> "New hardware-accelerated X driver included and enabled by default."
[7:57] <shiftplusone> that would be fbturbo
[7:57] <Ben64> and whats that?
[7:57] <shiftplusone> Which is a great improvement, but old news.
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[7:57] <shiftplusone> Uses DMA for copies more and such
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[7:57] <shiftplusone> https://github.com/ssvb/xf86-video-fbturbo
[7:58] <shiftplusone> you can read about it there
[7:58] <Ben64> oh, so still not really what we want yet
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[7:58] <shiftplusone> I would put away the 'yet'
[7:58] <shiftplusone> hardware accelerated Xorg isn't practical.
[7:58] <Ben64> why not? broadcom is opening up, it'd really help the pi's performance in gui
[7:59] <Ben64> scratch is painfully slow at times
[7:59] <shiftplusone> the combination of x11, gtk and qt leads to a lot of operations where only a few pixels are changed at a time
[7:59] <shiftplusone> which the gpu is no good for
[8:00] <shiftplusone> and combining these changes together eats up clock cycles and defeats the purpose
[8:00] <Ben64> hm
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[8:00] <shiftplusone> they're working on little tweaks like hw accelerates mouse cursor and such though
[8:00] <shiftplusone> these little changes add up
[8:00] <shiftplusone> it's certainly hell of a lot better than it was when the pi was just released.
[8:01] <shiftplusone> wayland is the way forward when it comes to proper hardware accelerated GUIs
[8:02] <Ben64> i tried openelec and x and stuff when i got my pi, and it was so slow i'm still using terminal only now :)
[8:02] <shiftplusone> even then, it's just compositing which give you pretty effects and fast window dragging... won't help with scrolling pages and such
[8:02] <shiftplusone> So to help address that, they have collabora working on a hw accelerated web browser
[8:02] <shiftplusone> based on web (epiphany)
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[8:03] <Ben64> cool
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[8:03] <shiftplusone> but yeah.... I stick to the console too.
[8:03] <Ben64> i like the console, even on my desktop. but sometimes graphics are nice
[8:03] <shiftplusone> aye
[8:04] <shiftplusone> I tried going pure console a while back, but I can't force myself to stick to it.
[8:04] <Ben64> i always use it for file operations and such
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[9:29] <overrider> i spend most my day in there
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[10:10] <rigid> shiftplusone: learn regular expressions, egrep, sed, maybe awk and you got some good reasons for using the console more often ;)
[10:10] <Davespice> morning
[10:10] <rigid> moin'
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[10:22] <causality> good morning
[10:23] <causality> i'm contemplating using an rpi for a project, but i dont know C or python. i do know vb, vb.net, some c#, php and some assembler. the project will mainly be reading/writing to uart and dumping some stuff to usb flash
[10:23] <causality> which approach would you take?
[10:24] <ShorTie> learn linux and C, but that is just mho
[10:25] <ShorTie> if you know all that, i would think it shouldn't be to hard
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[10:32] <causality> i'm fairly familiar with linux, that's not the issue
[10:32] <causality> knowing linux doesn't teach me python, though :)
[10:33] * causality looks for php hardware libs
[10:33] <overrider> causality: i used pythons pyserial and it was nice
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[10:33] <ShorTie> sorry, i just said that cause those looked like all windows stuff
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[10:38] <ShorTie> have you looked into wiringPi at all, it is C based though
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[10:48] <gordonDrogon> morning.
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[10:48] <causality> ShorTie: i've not really looked at much at all.
[10:48] <ShorTie> Good Morning
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[11:04] <gordonDrogon> causality, wiringPi will work well if you're using C or C++ for ypur project. it can also help with e.g. php with some command-line utilities.
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[11:05] <gordonDrogon> but for just reading the serial port, and writing to file, you can do that entirely in php if you like.
[11:05] <gordonDrogon> you don't need anything other than standard linux serial port access and I'm fairly sure php allows that without any magic.
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[11:09] <Davespice> causality: this might help you: http://www.raspberrypi.org/learning/python-for-vb-programmers/
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[11:14] <causality> gordonDrogon: you have email :)
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[11:19] <causality> Davespice: interesting, thanks
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[11:21] <Davespice> causality: we put that in specifically for people like you, if you have vb experience you'll pick up python with no trouble really
[11:23] <causality> Davespice: yeah, but what would that give me over php, which i already know pretty well? :)
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[11:23] <Davespice> access to various pre-existing RPi specific libraries? such as RPi.GPIO ?
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[11:24] <Davespice> if you want to use it for teaching too Python has quite a nice and clean syntax and is good for beginners to learn, but I'm not saying you should do it any one particular way though
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[11:25] <Davespice> we put that in to try and help people, not because we believe everyone must use Python
[11:25] <causality> no, i certainly won't be teaching anyone; this is for a one-off project
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[11:26] <Davespice> I'm pretty sure you can call into C++ or C modules from php right?
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[11:26] <causality> not sure, you can hook into system devices or exec binaries, and there appears to be a wrapped for wiringpi
[11:28] <Davespice> what are you trying to make anyway?
[11:28] <causality> an automotive data logger which aggregates multiple serial data sources, spits out a transformed serial protocol and also writes to disk
[11:29] <Davespice> hmm, nice, sounds somewhat industrial... telecomm related is it?
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[11:30] <causality> no, it's just a personal project
[11:30] <Davespice> okay cool, good luck with it :)
[11:30] <causality> i'd normally just use an avr for something like this, but contemplating something different, especially with writing to usb devices
[11:30] <causality> easier if there's a proper o/s...
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[11:37] <gordonDrogon> causality, Ah right - that's you. makes sense now. Will reply in a bit.
[11:37] <gordonDrogon> looks like I've let the SSL on my servers lapse - I had it in my diary for next week too.
[11:38] <nid0> *cough* updated to 1.0.1g?*cough*
[11:38] <gordonDrogon> causality, however if you know BASIC you can do what you need in BASIC on the Pi - multiple serial port support is OK.
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[11:49] <evil_dan2wik> I found a small SMD capacitor inside my Pi case, should I be worried? It is running fine.
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[11:52] <gordonDrogon> round or rectangular?
[11:52] <Hoerie> the NSA planted a bug on you ;-)
[11:53] <evil_dan2wik> gordonDrogon, rectangular, light brown
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[11:57] <gordonDrogon> well - who knows where its from - the 3.5mm audoi section has 2 or 4 I think.
[11:58] <gordonDrogon> and there are a few decoupling ones dotted round.
[11:58] <gordonDrogon> Look next to the 3.5mm jack - there's a light brown biggish one there - between the jack and the positioning hole..
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[11:59] <gordonDrogon> there's another next to the 3.3v regulator near the �USB power inlet.
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[12:10] <Stanto> Has anyone tried to setup their pi as a wifi access point? I've followed an adafruit guide but it's throwing up an error when trying to start isc-dhcp-server
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[12:12] <ShorTie> if your gonna have much traffic on the access point, the pi most likely not your best bet
[12:13] <Stanto> Don't worry about the raspberry pi being suitable for the scenario, I'm concerned with getting it working
[12:13] <[SLB]> i used udhcpd instead of isc-dhcp-server and worked fine
[12:14] <[SLB]> maybe follow the guide on http://elinux.org/RPI-Wireless-Hotspot
[12:14] <[SLB]> isc-dhcp-server gave me an error as well
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[12:14] <[SLB]> which i didn't want to spend time on eheh
[12:15] <Stanto> Yeah isc-dhcp-server appears to conflict with something/ignore the configuration
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[12:16] <[SLB]> i'm also not using a driver=nl80211 directive at all, it seems to pick up the right driver, i wasn't able to make it work with any specified driver i tried, but that's dongle specific so yeah
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[12:18] <hub2> Hi, Could you tell me why gpio aread always gives me 0 , but gpio read changes?
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[12:25] <ShorTie> looking thru 'man gpio' i don't even see 'aread', sure is is a valid command
[12:25] <gordonDrogon> there is no analog hardware on a standard Pi.
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[12:26] <gordonDrogon> gpio aread is a valid gpio command, but you need to team it up with the extension for the ADC chip you're using.
[12:26] <gordonDrogon> hub2, what ADC are you using?
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[12:33] <gordonDrogon> gpio -x mcp3002:200:0 aread 200
[12:33] <gordonDrogon> would be an example of usage.
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[12:53] <gordonDrogon> right. new SSL. Best start installing it.
[12:53] <gordonDrogon> *certificate.
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[14:01] <knob> Gooood morningg =)
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[14:31] <Stanto> I'm trying to use hostapd and udhcpd to create an access point on the raspberry pi, upon booting raspbian I get some error that wlan0 couldn't be brought up and also the following: ""Failed to create interface mon.wlan0: -23 (too many open files in system)" can anyone help to diagnose ?
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[14:48] <miceiken> I'm looking for a small dongle that works as a speaker. I want to use it to beep some sequences (preferably not screeching). Anyone here that can think of anything like that?
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[15:04] <jasabella> hi, im trying to set up a development environment on my desktop (kubuntu 12.04 lts) using kdevelop
[15:04] <jasabella> what packages should i install?
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[16:06] <Solak> Hello.
[16:06] <IT_Sean> Hello.
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[16:10] <Solak> !sigh choices :)
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[16:10] * Solak has a pi + modmypi-case + poweradapter (5V / 1.2A) + blank 16Gb SDHC10 card.
[16:11] <IT_Sean> okay... sounds like you have everything you need, and then some, to get started.
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[16:13] <Solak> Since I don't want to connect a monitor+keyboard+mouse it seems https://github.com/hifi/raspbian-ua-netinst is the best choice... or is there another option?
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[16:14] <[Saint]> Or Arch.
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[16:15] <IT_Sean> The best choice for what?
[16:15] <Solak> IT_Sean: for just console access without having to connect kvm.
[16:15] <IT_Sean> raspbian is a good option
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[16:17] <Solak> IT_Sean: I want an install as minimal as possible, so I can install irssi and perhaps some development tools.
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[16:18] <nid0> raspbian and remove whatever you dont want?
[16:18] <IT_Sean> Toss raspbian on there... you will be fine. You can remove unwanted stuff later, if necessary.
[16:18] <IT_Sean> You will have plenty of space with a 16 gig SD card
[16:19] <plugwash> or use hifi's raspbian-ua-netinst to install a more minimal raspbian
[16:19] <Solak> IT_Sean: true, but then I still have to connect a monitor/keyboard...
[16:19] <nid0> no you dont
[16:20] <Solak> plugwash: yes, that was what I had in mind...
[16:20] <Solak> nid0: ?
[16:20] <IT_Sean> SSH is enabled by default... you can just SSH in from another computer.
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[16:20] <nid0> why do you think raspbian needs a keyboard/screen?
[16:20] <IT_Sean> ^ 'cause it doesn't
[16:22] <Solak> nid0: probably because I read that almost everywhere, and raspbian-ua-netinst mentions it so explicitly...
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[16:22] <nid0> wherever you're reading is wrong then
[16:22] <nid0> and has been for...
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[16:22] <IT_Sean> ... decades
[16:22] <nid0> about 23 of the 24 months that raspbian has existed.
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[16:27] <Solak> IT_Sean: why would the full raspbian be a better choice (compared to the ua-netinst)?
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[16:28] <IT_Sean> why do a net install when you can just image the whole dang thing on the SD card and be done with it?
[16:28] <IT_Sean> you have to image the SD card either way... might as well just be done w/ it.
[16:28] <Solak> IT_Sean: the primary use is running irssi 24/7 (and later connecting old computers).
[16:29] <Solak> IT_Sean: because I only require a few more packages, and removing packages can also complicate things...
[16:29] <IT_Sean> then go for it, dude.
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[16:44] <EpixP0ison> Just incase anybody was intrested i have some nice photos i took of the RPI a while back there free to use or edit as im getting back into photography i thought i should start sharing :)
[16:45] <EpixP0ison> there here https://www.facebook.com/jamie.t.h.e.c.o.o.k.i.e.m.o.n.s.t.e.r.hawkins/media_set?set=a.283727101793711.1073741834.100004692697146 theres only 4 but there quite high quality unfortuanatly i dont have the originals ofr the RPI shots anymore but there still fairly good quality
[16:46] <EpixP0ison> i would take some more but i also no longer have my pi :( hopefully when i get some money i will get one i really want to get one printed on a matte black pcb that would just look amazing
[16:47] <EpixP0ison> the kind of pcb on alot of graphics cards ectect
[16:47] <IT_Sean> The Foundation does not do custom orders of off-color PCBs.
[16:48] <EpixP0ison> i know :p
[16:48] <EpixP0ison> i would have to get one made
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[16:48] <EpixP0ison> i belive RS had a custom colored one before as a special ediiton in blue
[16:49] <IT_Sean> You aren't going to be able to get all of the parts to have a 3rd part build you one, i am afraid.
[16:49] <IT_Sean> Boradcom do not sell the SoC individually.
[16:49] <AbbyTheRat> zomg! I'm adding comments to my python codes o_o!
[16:49] <IT_Sean> eeeew
[16:49] <IT_Sean> why?
[16:49] <EpixP0ison> ah :( that makes me ponder how did RS have a special edition blue one lol
[16:49] <IT_Sean> comments are for the weak!
[16:50] <IT_Sean> EpixP0ison: RS worked with The Foundation on that.
[16:50] <EpixP0ison> ah i see
[16:50] <AbbyTheRat> because I figured.. if I comment now, then I can figure out what's going on 3 years down the line googles decide to change their API
[16:50] <IT_Sean> Ahh, good idea.
[16:50] <EpixP0ison> so in other words i have enough money i could work with the foundation to possibly make one
[16:50] <IT_Sean> My general feeling is that if you need comments, you souldn't be poking about in my code. :p
[16:50] <EpixP0ison> which will probberly never happen :p
[16:51] <IT_Sean> EpixP0ison: you would need enough money, be willing to buy the parts for a few thousand units, at least, and have a business plan. And they might still decline to sell to you.
[16:51] <IT_Sean> Broadcom sell to volume manufacturers, not individuals.
[16:51] <EpixP0ison> yeah
[16:52] <IT_Sean> and "I want to do one in a different color" is not a business plan.
[16:52] <EpixP0ison> lol
[16:52] <EpixP0ison> but would look awesome :p
[16:52] <IT_Sean> It would
[16:52] <IT_Sean> Personally, i want a black one, with gold traces.
[16:52] <EpixP0ison> ohhh nice
[16:52] <EpixP0ison> like some of the msi motherboards
[16:52] <IT_Sean> Either that, or one of the red ones... I keep meaning to order a commiepi, and keep not bothering.
[16:53] <EpixP0ison> nice
[16:53] <EpixP0ison> when i get paid i plan on making a PI wallet
[16:53] <AbbyTheRat> IT_Sean: it's just so I can still remember what's my code is doing without wasting time figuring out what it's doing
[16:54] <AbbyTheRat> comments just reduce that time as well
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[16:54] <EpixP0ison> basicly taking of the usb hdmi rca and well every port soldering in a small usb wifi card placing on a touch screen and placing it inside a wallet
[16:54] <IT_Sean> Indeed.
[16:54] <AbbyTheRat> so all in all, makes it easier. I partly agree that if you can't read my code without comments, maybe poking around is not a great idea.
[16:55] <EpixP0ison> and it should be able to fit snug inside a wallter hopefully and find a nice slim li-on battery for it
[16:55] <IT_Sean> just be careful charging the battery. LiIon's go all aspolodey when mistreated.
[16:55] <EpixP0ison> yeah
[16:56] <EpixP0ison> then prehaps step it up a gear and make it a bitcoin wallet with a usb block miner also inside the wallet
[16:56] <EpixP0ison> would get a little toasty though
[16:57] <EpixP0ison> also would have to power it from the liion board
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[16:57] <tonsofpcs> EpixP0ison: you could probably just heat a prebuilt one in a reflow oven to let the parts fall off and then manually reattach them to your new color board
[16:58] <EpixP0ison> i managed to make my last pi glow brightly when i plugged in my miner stupidly not thinking about the power usage
[16:58] <IT_Sean> (O_O)
[16:58] <EpixP0ison> and tonsofpcs that sounds tricky :p my soldering isnt good as it is
[16:58] <IT_Sean> you will NOT be able to hand solder it
[16:58] <tonsofpcs> ^^
[16:58] <EpixP0ison> yeah :p
[16:58] <IT_Sean> you would need specialized equipment.
[16:58] <EpixP0ison> even then it wouldnt be easy
[16:59] <tonsofpcs> you'll need to make a board with a screened solder mask and screened paste and then pick-and-place [there are manual pick and place tables] and then reflow it
[16:59] <tonsofpcs> actually, if you have the tools and the knowledge it's quit easy - easier than hand-soldering an equivialent number of through-hole components
[16:59] <EpixP0ison> hmm
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[17:00] <EpixP0ison> and it would have a very sexy outcome
[17:00] <tonsofpcs> that said, the tools are pricy and difficult to acquire for small scale work (unless you hand-build them which is tough)
[17:00] <EpixP0ison> cheaper then paying the foundation :p
[17:01] <tonsofpcs> what do you mean by 'paying the foundation'?
[17:01] <tonsofpcs> how much would that cost? what is the scale?
[17:02] <EpixP0ison> i only want 1 unit :p
[17:02] <EpixP0ison> IT_Sean pointed out i would have to have plans to sell around 1000+
[17:02] <tonsofpcs> right, which is why the tools are very pricy.
[17:02] <EpixP0ison> yeah
[17:02] <tonsofpcs> You're looking at a custom silk screen press with a custom silk screen, hours of testing, large numbers of test boards, all to get ONE product.
[17:02] <EpixP0ison> or prehaps i could pay a company to do this for me
[17:03] <EpixP0ison> using 1 pi and 1 cusotm pcb
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[17:03] <EpixP0ison> wouldnt have to pay for tools that way
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[17:03] <tonsofpcs> you would have to have the PCB designed, built, assembled, tested, repeat...
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[17:04] <tonsofpcs> that said, I think the designs may be open...
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[17:04] <tonsofpcs> if they are, you can probably get a half dozen made on spec by a laser pcb fab firm and then you just need a pick-and-place, a reflow oven, and at least two source pis.
[17:04] <EpixP0ison> all in all it would cost alot to either get a company to make 1 or buy the tools
[17:05] <EpixP0ison> but would be a awesome unoffical special edition
[17:05] <EpixP0ison> and possibly the ONLY matte black pcb pi
[17:06] <plugwash> I suspect with the right chemicals you could strip the soldermask off an existing Pi after removing all the components
[17:06] <tonsofpcs> you could probably just get the PCBs fabbed and pay some kind soul at Sony to build a dozen or so on them.
[17:06] <plugwash> then lay down new soldermask and put the components back
[17:06] <tonsofpcs> plugwash: your name is oddly relevant ;)
[17:06] <plugwash> but still it would likely be hellishly expensive
[17:07] <EpixP0ison> plugwash indeed
[17:07] <IT_Sean> You aren't going to be able to make a custom one-off raspi without spending several thousand dollars, at minimum.
[17:08] <EpixP0ison> or i could risk simply painting it with non conductive paint and avoiding the components which would be time conusimg but cheap
[17:09] <tonsofpcs> EpixP0ison: you could just coat it in tar.
[17:09] <EpixP0ison> lol
[17:09] <tonsofpcs> that wasn't really a joke.
[17:09] <EpixP0ison> oh....
[17:10] <EpixP0ison> would that really be a good idea O.o
[17:10] <tonsofpcs> I mean, epoxy would be easier
[17:10] <tonsofpcs> but tar just seems more fun [and less likely to crack]
[17:10] <EpixP0ison> lol true
[17:10] <tonsofpcs> or you could put it in a case
[17:10] <EpixP0ison> painting it in matte black would be more delicate though
[17:10] <tonsofpcs> I recommend bakelite if you want black
[17:10] <EpixP0ison> that ruins the fun :p
[17:11] <EpixP0ison> all of my old cases are transparent and i like them like that :p
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[17:11] <tonsofpcs> http://www.ehow.com/how_7496181_make-bakelite-plastic.html
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[17:44] <gordonDrogon> just had paint it...
[17:44] <gordonDrogon> *hand
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[18:09] <eatsomeatso> Man... I just went through every kind of berry there is.
[18:09] <eatsomeatso> I forgot which one it was.
[18:09] <eatsomeatso> I tried #blueberrypi and #blackberrypi etc.
[18:10] <eatsomeatso> Raspberry. That's the one.
[18:10] <eatsomeatso> In a few moments, I will have one in my hand. What do I need to do to prepare?
[18:10] <eatsomeatso> Is there a single Linux distro that's used for it?
[18:10] <eatsomeatso> (I'm going to be using it for as HTPC.)
[18:11] <eatsomeatso> *a
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[18:11] <kfunk> sounds like you want raspbmc
[18:11] <kfunk> (which I never tried)
[18:12] <eatsomeatso> Is that a program that I install or an entire OS?
[18:12] <eatsomeatso> I likely will be using "XBMC" which I used to use on the old Xbox.
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[18:14] <sraue> i think you want OpenELEC :-)
[18:14] <eatsomeatso> ?
[18:14] <kfunk> and I think you want Google.com
[18:14] <sraue> www.openelec.tv
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[18:16] <eatsomeatso> Which one out of OpenELEC, Raspbmc or XBian sucks the least?
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[18:20] <sraue> http://www.dedoimedo.com/computers/openelec-review.html vs. http://www.dedoimedo.com/computers/raspbmc-xbmc.html
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[18:26] <tonsofpcs> eatsomeatso: I'm happy with OpenElec for my situation. ymmv.
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[18:32] <Stanto> I stopped using my Pi for XBMC because of poor codec support in comparison to using a laptop.
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[18:34] <eatsomeatso> Hmm....
[18:34] <eatsomeatso> WTF?
[18:35] <eatsomeatso> Why would the laptop have more codecx?
[18:35] <eatsomeatso> *codecs
[18:35] <eatsomeatso> I thought codec problems disappeared around 2005...
[18:35] <eatsomeatso> I've got to say that all three of those things don't look very tempting.
[18:35] <eatsomeatso> I sort of assumes that there would be a special Raspberry Linux distro inside which you installed XBMC or whatever.
[18:36] <eatsomeatso> *assumed
[18:37] <AbbyTheRat> not really, codec.. it's just most people are smart enough to use the common ones but there's still the odd uncommon ones used and there's still the old files from the time when codecs were all over the place.
[18:37] <eatsomeatso> OpenELEC seems like the least sucky.
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[18:37] <AbbyTheRat> It takes time to actually build a database of codec that works for a given OS
[18:37] <AbbyTheRat> And that's ignoring the whole issues with permissions and stuff
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[18:38] <AbbyTheRat> licenses, I think is the better word
[18:38] <eatsomeatso> Yeah... screw licenses.
[18:39] <eatsomeatso> Seems extremely common for video formats for some reason.
[18:39] <AbbyTheRat> It's even more sucky that so many codec created were created with windows in mind, making people having to reverse engineer that. *shrug*
[18:39] <eatsomeatso> It seems like the only formats I see these days are .mkv and .mp4.
[18:39] <eatsomeatso> And now you're gonna say they are "container formats".
[18:40] <eatsomeatso> And .flv.
[18:40] <AbbyTheRat> Really? I mostly see .. hmm..
[18:40] <AbbyTheRat> yeah that
[18:40] <AbbyTheRat> I guess I don't really do a lot of video formatting so I don't really pay attention to what format and codec videos are using
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[18:41] <eatsomeatso> Okay, so I have an .img downloaded of OpenELEC. How do I get that onto the memory card? (I'm assuming there won't be any instructions with the bundle I'm getting in minutes now.)
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[18:43] <sraue> extract and write with dd/win32diskimager to your sdcard
[18:44] <eatsomeatso> The .img, opened in 7-Zip, only seems to contain 0.fat, 1.img and 2. :S
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[18:49] <Raynerd_> Hi guys, any of you know of a way to run a py game in a web browser without the need to download and run?
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[18:54] <AbbyTheRat> Hmmmmmmm.. nupe, no idea.. well I have one.. I would setup a webserver but that wouldnt' work so much with pygames anyway, being that one is a GUI and the other isn't and it sounds like you want to embed it into a webpage, Raynerd :)
[18:55] <AbbyTheRat> I see you're braving the elitist #python, Raynerd_ x_X
[18:55] <eatsomeatso> Raynerd_: Browsers only run JavaScript.
[18:55] <eatsomeatso> Maybe if you make some kind of Python interpreter inside JavaScript...
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[18:59] <Raynerd_> Haha.. Yea, getting a bettering but needs to be done!
[19:00] <AbbyTheRat> it could still be be done. :)
[19:01] <Raynerd_> ?
[19:01] <AbbyTheRat> just now requires learning javascript but I'm sure there's already something like that out there
[19:01] <AbbyTheRat> Raynerd_ [12:56:04] <eatsomeatso> Maybe if you make some kind of Python interpreter inside JavaScrip
[19:02] <Raynerd_> Which really is where my question came from.. I may have well just written in JavaScript!
[19:02] <Raynerd_> The game that is!
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[19:02] <AbbyTheRat> mhm :)
[19:03] <AbbyTheRat> but as with all languages
[19:03] <AbbyTheRat> where there's a will, there's a way
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[19:19] <eatsomeatso> Well, my Raspberry arrived. Time for headaches!
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[19:22] <AbbyTheRat> have fun.. I guess he left
[19:22] <AbbyTheRat> yep, there's the quit message
[19:22] <Davespice> Folks, I feel like I should set this as the topic but I won't, I'll just spam you all with this here: donated his time and his voice talent
[19:22] <Davespice> oops!
[19:22] <Davespice> http://vimeo.com/91631396
[19:22] <Davespice> there we go :)
[19:22] <AbbyTheRat> Davespice YOU'VE BEN SPOTTED!
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[19:22] <AbbyTheRat> BEN? oh geez
[19:22] <Davespice> everyone, stop what you're doing, watch the video! =)
[19:22] <Davespice> Jonny Ball!
[19:23] <AbbyTheRat> I was coding D:
[19:23] <Davespice> you can spare two and a half minutes ;)
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[19:24] <AbbyTheRat> should make a headless version <_<;
[19:24] <Davespice> he even dropped "fear not adventurers" ;) the man is a legend
[19:25] <AbbyTheRat> Well, I can't really enjoy voice talent so much ^_^
[19:25] <AbbyTheRat> but the cartoon was at least enjoyable :)
[19:26] <Davespice> check this picture out, this was at the studio: http://www.raspberrypi.org/wp-content/uploads/2014/04/samscottjohnny.jpeg Sam was a bit excited about it
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[19:27] <AbbyTheRat> Awesome ^_^
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[20:05] <gordonDrogon> Why Vimeo and not youtube? Any reason?
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[20:34] <MProg> hi o/
[20:37] <SpeedEvil> hello
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[20:41] <sq> i wonder if there'll be one person who'll find the video useful :|
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[20:42] <sq> gordonDrogon: less ads ang gogole+ perhaps
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[20:46] <gordonDrogon> sq, who knows. I don't see ads and I don't use g+ ... ah well!
[20:46] <eatsomeatso> Well, surprisingly, I had no problems with the Rasberry PI.
[20:46] <eatsomeatso> Worked right away.
[20:46] <eatsomeatso> Although the mouse cursor seemed a bit lagged.
[20:47] <sq> gordonDrogon: well since i'm using youtube-dl i don't visit those websites at all :p
[20:48] <gordonDrogon> I just have adblock+ and ghostery.
[20:49] * shiftplusone goes all out with adblock, disconnect, flashblock, ghostery and noscript.
[20:49] <sq> me i just like watching stuff in a player of my choice
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[20:53] <darkavenger> hi
[20:53] <shiftplusone> hi
[20:54] <darkavenger> hope i can help if needed
[20:54] <[SLB]> at least until some years ago, maybe right about the 720 video format on youtube was introduced, the video quality of vimeo was much higher than youtube, probably it still is
[20:56] <lupinedk> wierd: i experience a crash @ rpi every 10 days without any message in syslog. Running the pi on a stable powersupply and with two pcsc usb readers on a powered hub
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[21:02] <basti> i have 11 pis running 24/7 and have maybe one crash a month
[21:03] <lupinedk> well this is almost certain that it will happen in the time span off 8-10 days poweron time
[21:04] <lupinedk> seems like a pattern
[21:04] <lupinedk> could it be memory ressources?
[21:04] <lupinedk> i have swap turned of
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[21:05] <basti> well, i dont know what yor device is doing. mine are just playing a shoutcast stream using mplayer
[21:05] <lupinedk> its running znc, oscam and bitlbee
[21:06] <lupinedk> nothing else
[21:07] <basti> i would guess some i/o issue with the sd card
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[21:08] <lupinedk> could be the problem
[21:08] <lupinedk> i get these in dmesg
[21:08] <lupinedk> [ 5.784497] bcm2708-i2s bcm2708-i2s.0: Failed to create debugfs directory
[21:08] <lupinedk> [ 9.427522] EXT4-fs (mmcblk0p2): re-mounted. Opts: (null)
[21:08] <lupinedk> [ 9.859719] EXT4-fs (mmcblk0p2): re-mounted. Opts: (null)
[21:08] <lupinedk> [ 15.493680] FAT-fs (mmcblk0p1): Volume was not properly unmounted. Some data may be corrupt. Please run fsck.
[21:09] <lupinedk> when i boot after the crash
[21:09] <lupinedk> but fsck does not seem to work on a mounted volume
[21:10] <basti> no, you have to use some other pc, since you cant unmount it on the pi
[21:10] <lupinedk> and these
[21:10] <lupinedk> Apr 10 20:17:16 tarmslyng kernel: [ 2.494977] EXT4-fs (mmcblk0p2): ext4_orphan_cleanup: deleting unreferenced inode 823
[21:10] <lupinedk> Apr 10 20:17:16 tarmslyng kernel: [ 2.496827] EXT4-fs (mmcblk0p2): ext4_orphan_cleanup: deleting unreferenced inode 820
[21:10] <[SLB]> yup check it on another machine, fsck -fC /dev/sdxx
[21:10] <lupinedk> time to whip out a live installation
[21:11] <[SLB]> and if it won't clear the dirty bit, use -fCa
[21:11] <basti> or use an usb stick for the os and just boot from s
[21:11] <basti> sd
[21:11] <lupinedk> does not have a linux installation on any desktop/laptop atm
[21:11] <basti> live system
[21:11] <Ecoste> Is it bad if you tried to connect an LED, and I think I touched the ground GPIO and it sparked up and the RPi reset. I thought I fried my little RPi!
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[21:12] <basti> nothing will happen if you just touch gnd
[21:12] <Ecoste> Yes, but the led wires touched gnd and another gpio together
[21:12] <basti> you have to short circuit a 5v pin and some other one
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[21:13] <basti> well, does it boot
[21:13] <Ecoste> I know it wasn't touching the 5v or 3v, so I have no idea where the spark came from and why the Pi reset.
[21:13] <Ecoste> Yeah, it's completely fine.
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[21:13] <Ecoste> I have no idea how GPIOs work there, so I have no idea what happened.
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[21:18] <gordonDrogon> shorting the 5v to ground might cause a little spark.
[21:19] <gordonDrogon> there is a big capacitor there that would store enough charge.
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[21:25] <Demon_Jester> Hey guys, I tried to install a package on my rpi, and got this error says ssl-cert.list input/output error
[21:25] <Demon_Jester> I tried to use touch ssl-cert.list
[21:25] <Demon_Jester> but still got input/output error.
[21:25] <Demon_Jester> any way to fix this?
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[21:37] * Solak wonders what he's overlooking... sd-card at /dev/sda1 gives 'Permission denied' (KUbuntu 12.04LTS).
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[21:41] <ppq> Solak, are you sure that /dev/sda1 is your sd-card? check 'lsblk'
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[21:45] <Demon_Jester> ok no help then? I have tried googling my problem with no luck, unfortunately?
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[21:48] <Solak> ppq: it is, and I can mount it from the desktop...
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[21:55] <basti> i know this it not the right channel, but maybe someone can help: i rebuild this http://www.harbaum.org/till/lcd2usb/schematic.gif using a stk500 and a breadboard. well, i just connected the pins from the uc to the lcd and power from another source (common ground). as i understand it, the display should at least show "lcd2usb v1.08" when everything is working, but it does not. fuses are set.
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[21:57] <basti> for pin 3 and 16 from the lcd i just used some resistors, since i just wanted to see if it workd
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[23:11] <johnc-> I wonder if there'd be interest in a python wrapper/binding to an omxplayer that didn't require shelling out
[23:12] <JoshNang> johnc-: probably would be! then someone could make a rest API to control it :)
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[23:19] <johnc-> hehe, not far from what I've already achieved :)
[23:19] <JoshNang> :D awesome!
[23:20] <johnc-> but I've been working on cleaning up omxplayer for use from other languages
[23:20] <johnc-> a C++ object + a C API around it
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[23:20] <johnc-> I've been streaming video and music to my pi from my phone with it :)
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[23:27] <vlt> Hi. I have a raspberry Pi and downloaded the NOOBS install files. I put them onto a fat32 partition on an SD card and booted the Pi. How can I select an installation to an USB drive that I also connected to the Pi?
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[23:28] <cato> Hi, does anyone know a possibility to offer the hardware random via egd?
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[23:42] <malfunct> vlt: thats not supported
[23:43] <malfunct> vlt: to get a noobs image to boot off USB is possible but its not automated
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[23:44] <eatsomeatso> Hmm.
[23:44] <eatsomeatso> So far, OpenELEC on Respberry PI has been an unpolished and hackish experience, but at least it works.
[23:45] <eatsomeatso> It doesn't recognize the external USB Blu-ray player at all, apparently.
[23:45] <eatsomeatso> The image viewer appears to be severely crippled.
[23:45] <eatsomeatso> I was so used to XnView on Windows, which is superb.
[23:45] <eatsomeatso> *Raspberry
[23:46] <eatsomeatso> Question: Is there really no power off button? I'm supposed to pull the cord?
[23:46] <ShorTie> only if you want file corruption
[23:46] <malfunct> eatsomeatso, you should issue the halt command, wait for processing to stop, and then pull the power plug
[23:46] <eatsomeatso> Then how do I turn it off?
[23:46] <ShorTie> other wize shut it down properly
[23:47] <eatsomeatso> Yes, I did do that before pulling it out.
[23:47] <malfunct> no idea how openelc accomplishes that
[23:47] <eatsomeatso> But there is no power button at all on the thing.
[23:47] <malfunct> that is correct
[23:47] <malfunct> once you have shut down pull the power plug
[23:47] <eatsomeatso> Unless I pull out the cord, the stupid LEDs are on.
[23:47] <eatsomeatso> That's one thing I didn't count on, I'm afraid. :/
[23:47] <malfunct> to get a power button build it into the power cable like many people have
[23:47] <eatsomeatso> Kind of annoying in the long run.
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[23:48] <eatsomeatso> Well, I don't have such a power cable. I bought a package consisting of a Pi, a cord, a transparent (yeah...) shell and a 16 GB memstick.
[23:48] <eatsomeatso> I wanted a black one, but they only sold it with the transparent one.
[23:49] <eatsomeatso> So no avoiding the LEDs...
[23:49] <malfunct> eatsomeatso, buy a different case separately
[23:49] <eatsomeatso> I guess.
[23:49] <malfunct> and you can hack your own cable if you really watch a switch, there are instructions for it on the web
[23:49] * eatsomeatso is not a handyman like Hank Hill with a workbench, etc.
[23:50] <johnc-> it's a low power device, leave it on :P
[23:50] <malfunct> unfortunately the issues you are seeing are par for the course for a device of this sort, its not a finished consumer product, its a board for hackers and people trying to learn things
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[23:50] <johnc-> ^^
[23:50] <eatsomeatso> Well, I learned that you have to pay good money for a polished product.
[23:50] <johnc-> rpi is an educational tool mainly, not a pre-packaged set top box
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[23:51] <malfunct> or put in some elbow grease
[23:51] <malfunct> polish it yourself
[23:51] <eatsomeatso> Pre-packaged set top boxes suck too, though.
[23:51] <eatsomeatso> I had a Zombee.
[23:51] <eatsomeatso> Or Zumbee or whatever they are called.
[23:51] <malfunct> build a case, add a switch to that case
[23:52] <johnc-> my only gripe really is that I can't stream netflix on it
[23:52] <eatsomeatso> No noisy fan + minimal physical space + no OS annoyances = better than the old PC that was standing around and hooked up to the TV until it died, though.
[23:53] <eatsomeatso> malfunct: How would you even add a power button to the chassis if it does the power on/off based on the network power?
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[23:54] <eatsomeatso> How come the Rasbperry Pi has both HDMI and an old-school composite analogue output?
[23:54] <malfunct> eatsomeatso, I think you just wire a switch into the +5V line
[23:55] <malfunct> eatsomeatso, so you can choose between HDMI and old-school composite output
[23:55] <ShorTie> old-school composite analogue output working great here, glad they have it
[23:55] <malfunct> that said, you need to find out how to shut down openelc and then you can switch off power
[23:55] <eatsomeatso> Well, I know how to shut it down. And I did it that way.
[23:56] <eatsomeatso> I was just wondering if it really didn't have a button and I had to keep pulling out and putting back in the cord every time I use/don't wanna use it.
[23:56] <eatsomeatso> Seems like it will soon cause the connector to break.
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[23:56] <malfunct> eatsomeatso, yes, so wire a switch into the USB +5V line
[23:57] <malfunct> eatsomeatso, will have the same effect as pulling out the connector, but avoid actually doing it
[23:57] <ShorTie> you do know that when you push that power off button on your pc, it doesn't power it totaly off right ??
[23:57] <ShorTie> or most other things now a days
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[23:58] <malfunct> ShorTie, yeah but with rpi how do you restart it once you have halted the OS?
[23:58] <malfunct> ShorTie, with my computer I just trigger the power button which kicks off the boot cycle
[23:58] <ShorTie> power cycle it
[23:58] <shiftplusone> there are 'wake from halt' pins
[23:58] <malfunct> shiftplusone, on the rpi? that would be cool.
[23:58] <shiftplusone> yeah
[23:58] <shiftplusone> so it's just a matter of adding the switch
[23:59] <malfunct> does the display signal ever go off after halt?
[23:59] <shiftplusone> http://www.raspberrypi.org/forums/viewtopic.php?f=29&t=24682
[23:59] <shiftplusone> no idea about the display signal though

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