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IRC Log for 2014-04-11

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[0:00] <malfunct> I've never personally see the display go dead after halt
[0:00] <malfunct> but that doesn't say much
[0:01] <malfunct> that said, if you have to wire in switches, you might as well put one on the power supply line itself
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[0:04] <eatsomeatso> malfunct: I'm not sure if you realize how that sounds to me. I'm not a handyman. I don't have electrical engineering skills.
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[0:05] <malfunct> eatsomeatso, but you bought a computer that comes as a board with some chips soldered to it, it kind of requries some level of handy man knowledge
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[0:06] <eatsomeatso> Attaching the chassis and the feet was easy.
[0:06] <malfunct> eatsomeatso, installing a switch is a great skill to learn, and it is very easy
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[0:06] <eatsomeatso> As was installing the OS/XBMC thingie.
[0:06] <eatsomeatso> People call everything easy that they know, though.
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[0:06] <eatsomeatso> I'm sure it's fun. I'd like to do a whole bunch of things, "if only"...
[0:06] <malfunct> but installing a switch really is easy
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[0:08] <shiftplusone> http://www.ebay.com.au/itm/Micro-USB-Power-Cable-with-Switch-for-Raspberry-Pi-USB-to-Microusb-High-Quality-/231182559379?pt=AU_B_I_Electrical_Test_Equipment&hash=item35d38de893
[0:08] <shiftplusone> or something similar
[0:08] <malfunct> shiftplusone, I was about to paste exactly that link
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[0:09] <shiftplusone> great minds think alike
[0:09] <shiftplusone> I am sure it works the other way too
[0:10] <malfunct> well I know how not great my mind is, so I don't know what that says about you ;)
[0:10] <shiftplusone> heh
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[0:15] <eatsomeatso> eBay owns PayPal and uses them for payment processing. I am banned for life from PayPal and all PayPal-powered credit card charging services.
[0:15] <eatsomeatso> So that whole market is locked for me.
[0:15] <eatsomeatso> (They never told me why and would never respond to my questions.)
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[0:15] <shiftplusone> it was just an example. I am sure those sorts of cables are all over the place.
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[0:17] <eatsomeatso> Lots of things only seem to be on eGay.
[0:17] <malfunct> eatsomeatso, check amazon
[0:17] <malfunct> http://www.amazon.com/Raspberry-Micro-USB-Cable-Switch/dp/B00GGX94JI/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1397168252&sr=8-1&keywords=raspberry+pi+power+switch
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[0:28] * Poison[BLX] ponders.
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[0:31] <Poison[BLX]> So, I'm building a media/nav/status interface for a car (currently an old pre-obd2 car, so the 'status' section's going to be fun to implement! pi + avr ftw!) using QT/QML, dynamically scaled to fit the screen, geared towards touchscreens, but... I can't decide what to call it. Anyone have any fancy naming talents?
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[0:34] <xMopxShell> Poison[BLX]: BLXauto
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[0:48] <Newk> heads-up-pi
[0:48] <Newk> heads-uppi?
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[0:58] <johnc-> I need to build a pi into my car :)
[0:59] <MProg> I need to fix my car first :p
[0:59] <johnc-> my car's a pile of shit, I don't care, but I'd like to have it sync with my home :)
[1:00] <MProg> hey :) mine's a pile of s*** too ;p
[1:00] <johnc-> oh damn I can't curse in here can I
[1:00] <johnc-> sorry
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[1:01] <MProg> hmm, the pi might overheat in my car
[1:02] <MProg> I suppose that would work out quite well...
[1:02] <MProg> my car overheats all the time
[1:02] <MProg> so why not the pi int the car ;p
[1:02] <MProg> in*
[1:03] <johnc-> I want to plan a route on my TV and send it to my car to give me GPS :)
[1:03] <MProg> :p
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[1:05] <miceiken> got any resources on how to make a touch screen work with rpi?
[1:05] <miceiken> Poison[BLX], I was thinking of doing the same thing
[1:06] <SpeedEvil> miceiken: Press it with a finger, usually.
[1:06] <MProg> what sort of touch screen ?
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[1:06] <SpeedEvil> I could have said something else, but this is a family friendly channel.
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[1:06] <miceiken> Is it supported by default? Plug and play?
[1:06] <SpeedEvil> Being more serious.
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[1:07] <SpeedEvil> No, touchscreens won't generally be supported by default.
[1:07] <MProg> if it works under linux then probably
[1:07] <SpeedEvil> Other than that.
[1:07] * Poison[BLX] chuckles.
[1:07] <miceiken> I was thinking of firing up XBMC and some sort of navigation system for my car
[1:07] <miceiken> using RPi
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[1:08] <miceiken> I should manage most things myself, but I'm no low level coder
[1:08] <Poison[BLX]> Actually, every touchscreen I've brought linux up on has handled pretty well, but 99% of software in X isn't very touch friendly.
[1:08] <miceiken> yeah, that's what I figured also
[1:09] <SpeedEvil> Poison[BLX]: yes - 'boxed' touchscreens.
[1:09] <Poison[BLX]> on the 7in lilliput hdmi screen I scrounged on ebay, though, the axes are rotated and one of them's inverted too.
[1:10] <MProg> when running gnu/linux + X on my phone I had to write the userspace side of the touch screen driver
[1:11] <MProg> that side of things is really easy
[1:11] <MProg> I don't know much about kernel space though
[1:12] <miceiken> Poison[BLX], how far along are you on your project?
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[1:14] <Poison[BLX]> miceiken: I have a pretty fancy little touch-friendly music player that lacks proper playlist support (just works off of a directory at the moment). It doesn't want to play well with qt5/wayland on the pi yet (might have to hand build something rather than dragging down other people's packages for that one)
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[1:14] <Poison[BLX]> and a lot of placeholders :P
[1:14] <Poison[BLX]> the part I've not decided on is how to integrate nav.
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[1:16] <miceiken> Did you consider XBMC + whatever nav on top?
[1:16] <Poison[BLX]> And... the vehicle status part I need my car in proper working (i.e. able to idle without my toe on the gas) order for, so I can start tapping into things there, but that's a 'later' concern.
[1:16] <Poison[BLX]> and I considered it, but it's just... heavy.
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[1:18] <miceiken> is there a big difference in obd1 and 2?
[1:18] <Poison[BLX]> there's a notable stutter when it's going from one page to another, and nav's heavy enough, dealing with either large tile counts of pre-generated images (google maps style) or rendering off of osm data directly (which I'm actually contemplating doing in egl directly, probably a BAD idea)
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[1:19] <Poison[BLX]> and... yeah, biiig difference. OBD2 hands you info, OBD1 isn't clearly defined, no two companies did it the same, and it doesn't digitize most information anywhere 'readable'
[1:19] <miceiken> oh :<
[1:19] <Poison[BLX]> granted, it's very tinfoil hat friendly, as an upside ;)
[1:19] <miceiken> haha
[1:20] <Poison[BLX]> I refuse to spend thousands of dollars on a vehicle that has a remote kill that I don't solely control.
[1:20] <miceiken> :P I get that
[1:20] <Poison[BLX]> that's much newer range than base obd2, granted, but still.
[1:20] <miceiken> I have this Audi 80 1994 that I'm just playing around with. Would be fun with a navigation and media station that won't cost me my shirt
[1:21] <Poison[BLX]> hehe, 94's a good year for toys. Mine's a rustang gt convertible ;)
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[1:22] <miceiken> https://www.dropbox.com/s/ma9hxavospgcymf/2014-04-05%2023.14.32.jpg I would have no idea where to put the screen though. Maybe in the tray
[1:23] <Poison[BLX]> ah, that's a bit narrow... 7in is nearly a *full* double din space.
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[1:25] <Poison[BLX]> if you can relocate the hvac down, you could put a fold-down screen where they are now, leaving your head unit intact. I gave away my head unit, shifted hvac to the little 'junk tray' area (that doubled as the CD player bay on equipped models), and am embedding my screen into the upper two slots.
[1:26] <Poison[BLX]> but you're kinda tight on space, and moving much of anything would be a mess of cutting you likely don't want to do. Bezels for mine are a dime a dozen :P
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[1:29] <miceiken> hmm yeah
[1:30] <miceiken> looks reaaally ugly tho having a dock on the dashboard so that's not gonna happen
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[1:32] <Poison[BLX]> yeah, I just lucked into having a good place for it (though I'll have to fabricate the lcd frame into the bezel around it, that'll be a fun bit of fiberglass)
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[1:34] <rikkib> Code for three sensors, LDR (A to D), DS18B0 (Bit Banging) and Compass (I2C) plus code for nRF24 written and tested (MC9S08 micro). Now on to the state machine structure. nRF24 Interrupt wakes the micro from sleep mode, returns sensor data to the RPi, takes new measurements and then returns to sleep mode.
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[1:36] <Poison[BLX]> rikkib: I'm curious as to what you're building that requires that compass...
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[1:37] <rikkib> Wind Vane
[1:37] <Poison[BLX]> ah! :)
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[1:37] <rikkib> with temp and light sensors to fill gaps in my planned sensor network
[1:38] <Poison[BLX]> nice
[1:38] <rikkib> temp exposed to wind to gather wind chile factor.
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[1:39] <rikkib> other temps gathered with other temp sensors
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[1:39] <rikkib> pressure sensor has temp as well and so does humidity
[1:41] <miceiken> Poison[BLX], how much do you have to pay for a decent touch screen nowadays anyway
[1:41] <rikkib> Wind vane runs off three rechargable AA cells and uses nRF24 1.4GHz radio link
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[1:43] <Poison[BLX]> miceiken: the one I have runs about $200... but I snagged it at ~40 shipped.
[1:43] <Poison[BLX]> it's always fun to find people who don't know what they have on ebay ;)
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[1:44] <Poison[BLX]> rikkib: I'm almost curious as to whether you could put a little turbine on that to generate enough power to recharge it, if you get consistent enough winds
[1:44] <rikkib> Overall idea is a wireless RPi outside with range of sensors. Wind speed (Reyner is sending one), wind vane (Making), humidity, pressure, temp and rain sensor.
[1:46] <Poison[BLX]> also, what material's your wind vane built out of? I've heard worrying things about metal around electonic compasses making things iffy.
[1:46] <rikkib> Interesting Idea.. I have already investigated that sort of. Bought two mini motors and props like you see on the tail rotors of model helicopters.
[1:46] <miceiken> wow
[1:48] <rikkib> Making the wind vane out of plumbers plastic pipe
[1:48] <rikkib> 25mm I think
[1:48] <rikkib> Using printer parts for the mount/swivel
[1:48] <rikkib> bushes and rod
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[1:50] <rikkib> Size is limited by the size of the compass module
[1:50] <rikkib> 14mm
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[1:51] <rikkib> 25mm pipe is perfect anyway
[1:52] <Poison[BLX]> is that the whole compass/rf/mcu unit or is that just the compass module?
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[1:52] <Newk> damn X... hurry up wayland
[1:52] <rikkib> compass 14mm wide and about 22mm long height about 5mm
[1:53] <rikkib> nRF24 is 14mm by 30mm
[1:54] <Poison[BLX]> Newk: heh, it's coming along well, from what I've toyed with on my pi. All I need is a good qt5 build for the pi + wayland/weston that doesn't fall on its face for me :/
[1:54] <rikkib> mc9s08 I use is dil16 and have to make a board for it (Currently running on devel board
[1:54] <Poison[BLX]> it's mostly qt5 that's being troublesome right now
[1:55] <rikkib> Wind vane will be about 750mm long and stand 250mm
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[1:56] <rikkib> height
[1:57] <rikkib> One end has three AA cells the other end the electronics
[1:58] <miceiken> are we allowed to link to ebay?
[1:58] <rikkib> Think it is a free and open Internet
[1:58] <Poison[BLX]> ahh, that's a rather sizable compass module, but I suppose without sharing supporting hardware, etc, it doesn't benefit from compressing things together like what I've played with... I have a little ebay 10dof IMU with everything crammed into around 20mmx16mm
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[1:59] <miceiken> http://www.ebay.com/itm/7-TFT-LCD-Display-Module-1080P-HDMI-VGA-2AV-Driver-Board-for-Raspberry-Pi-/171280831162
[1:59] <miceiken> Is that stuff okay?
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[2:00] <rikkib> Things can be reduced in size... I 3D printer and a module insertion tool could automate building the wind vane
[2:00] <rikkib> A 3D
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[2:03] <Poison[BLX]> miceiken: well, that's a pretty standard resolution on 7in, note the controller board does 1080, the screen does 800x480 there. The screen I have is the same physical resolution, but scales down on device from 1080 pretty smoothly (that + touch is *why* it runs just shy of $200, as silly high of a price as it is for so little a screen)
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[2:05] <miceiken> hmm
[2:06] <miceiken> so you think it will give bad quality images?
[2:06] <ShorTie> how about a rear view monitor ??
[2:07] <Poison[BLX]> miceiken: no, I think it's hit or miss whether it'll play well with anything over the native resolution of the screen though. At 800x480 on a 7in screen it's not terrible, I actually run mine at that when there's text I need to be able to read
[2:07] <Poison[BLX]> I just abuse the auto-scaling it does for low cost anti-aliasing :P
[2:08] <ShorTie> http://www.ebay.com/itm/New-7-TFT-LCD-Digital-Color-Screen-Car-Monitor-for-Backup-Rear-View-Camera-/301010989634?pt=US_Rear_View_Monitors_Cams_Kits&hash=item4615a73242
[2:08] <ShorTie> it's like the same thing but in a fancy case
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[2:10] <Poison[BLX]> ShorTie: and about a quarter the resolution, if this is accurate (never guaranteed on ebay): "Number of Dots: 480W * RGB * 234H" ... given the composite only input, it likely is though
[2:10] <miceiken> bah
[2:11] <miceiken> problem is I will have to pay 25% toll on it
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[2:13] <miceiken> Unless I can get the seller to put lower value on customs invoice :--D
[2:13] <Poison[BLX]> rikkib: and... just did realize how big 750mm is (I'm a lazy american, takes me a min to run mm->m->in/ft range numbers in my head ;) )
[2:15] <rikkib> Wind Vanes are often around that size... I doubt they will ever lose the visual element
[2:15] <ShorTie> oh ya, that is why i got the 5", it's 800x480
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[2:16] <miceiken> I should really buy a case for my PI
[2:16] <miceiken> http://www.ebay.com/itm/Raspberry-Pi-B-Case-Enclosure-New-Gloss-Black-Color-Acrylic-Computer-Box-/221290220894?pt=US_Computer_Cases&hash=item3385eccd5e
[2:16] <miceiken> that one is not too bad
[2:17] <miceiken> nice and cheap
[2:17] <ShorTie> here the 5" and a 4.3" side by side, https://www.dropbox.com/s/44llq11uhhyyq8g/IMAG0004.JPG
[2:18] <Poison[BLX]> yeah, I've seen little ones on tiny little integrated weather mini-stations, no idea what's underneath the plastic, one-finned, shell.. gotta be incredibly low friction to track accurately wind with such a small thing though. The length of the typical style abuses torque pretty well.
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[2:19] <rikkib> http://bencom.co.nz:8081 For a look at the prototype wind vane (one ends pipe has not been cut yet)
[2:19] <miceiken> did you get it cheap ShadowJK?
[2:19] <miceiken> ShorTie*
[2:20] <Poison[BLX]> miceiken: that case looks a lot like the little red laser-cut translucent one I have, fits it like a glove if they used the same layout for ports, etc, and same price range.
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[2:20] <miceiken> Shipping:
[2:20] <miceiken> $25.99
[2:20] <miceiken> lol
[2:20] <ShorTie> the 5" was like 30 and the 4.3" was like 20
[2:20] <miceiken> :o where
[2:21] <rikkib> http://www.zlham.geek.nz/images/news/rpi-mc9s08-2.jpg
[2:21] <ShorTie> http://www.ebay.com/itm/5-High-Resolution-HD-800-480-no-320-240-Car-TFT-LCD-Monitor-Screen-2ch-Video-/301114673614?ssPageName=ADME:L:OC:US:3160
[2:21] <miceiken> and you're happy with it?
[2:22] <ShorTie> Yuppers ... :)
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[2:29] <Newk> Poison[BLX]: ah, well thats what i meant.. there is only some little demos but not an essential setup of wayland with some needfull tings that we can use out of the box
[2:29] <rikkib> Danger Will Robinson... All that metal close to my devel gear.
[2:30] <miceiken> got any overview of what are "good" dimensions for displays of different inches?
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[2:30] <rikkib> Does my cam stream OK at 640x480
[2:31] <ShorTie> depends on what you want, you can get a 19" tv for what 100 bucks
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[2:31] <blockh34d> o/
[2:32] * blockh34d adds a gps/accelerometer to his HMD
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[2:33] <blockh34d> anyone know if i could use two of those usb battery packs in parallel to allow a hotswapable battery?
[2:33] <blockh34d> ie it powers the pi even with one of those batteries disconnected
[2:33] <clever> that will have issues if they differ slightly in voltage output
[2:34] <blockh34d> what if they were same unit by same manufacturer? still issues of being at different charge states?
[2:34] <clever> the boost circuit will always boost it to ~5volts
[2:34] <clever> so battery charge wont matter
[2:35] <clever> the issue is the manufactering tollerances
[2:35] <blockh34d> what boost circuit? one in pi? or in this battery pack thing?
[2:35] <clever> on the battery back
[2:35] <clever> if one makes 4.99 volts and the other makes 5.01 volts
[2:35] <clever> the 4.99 volt unit will draw current trying to pull the shared output down
[2:35] <clever> and will drain the 5.01 unit
[2:35] <blockh34d> hmm
[2:35] <blockh34d> how would you suggest implementing hotswappable power supply?
[2:35] <blockh34d> or trying to anyways
[2:36] <Poison[BLX]> might be better off building your own with two battery sockets, diodes, both feeding the boost chip for the 5v output, then run that to the pi.
[2:36] <ShorTie> for a sec or to it would do much, you like just can't leave them both hooked up is all
[2:37] <blockh34d> Poison[BLX]: would one drain the other in that config, as clever suggests i watch for?
[2:37] <clever> blockh34d: thats what the blocking diodes stop
[2:37] <ShorTie> wouldn't*
[2:37] <blockh34d> oh right
[2:37] <shiftplusone> http://www.hackerspace-ffm.de/wiki/index.php?title=Raspi_EDLC_UPS
[2:37] <blockh34d> blocking diodes ftw
[2:37] <shiftplusone> for a bit of sillyness
[2:37] <clever> but you will loose some voltage on the diodes
[2:38] <Poison[BLX]> which is why you can't easily just throw a couple diodes between the off-the-shelf battery packs and the pi, voltage drop = sad-pi.
[2:38] <Poison[BLX]> :P
[2:38] <clever> the diodes need to be before the boost circuit
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[2:39] <blockh34d> shiftplusone: thanks thats interesting
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[2:39] <blockh34d> i think i understand better now everyone thank you
[2:40] <blockh34d> so i get two batteries, two blocking diodes, one boost converter, and put the boost converter at the end so it outputs proper 5v
[2:40] <clever> shiftplusone: it looks like you will loose some voltage on the diodes in that arrangement
[2:40] <clever> as Poison[BLX] said, you may get a sad-pi
[2:40] <blockh34d> how sad
[2:41] <darkavenger> anyone use limelight-pi on a rev1 rasp?
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[2:41] <darkavenger> i use it and the stream is always laggy
[2:42] <clever> blockh34d: not sure, depends on the tolerances of the battery pack and diodes
[2:42] <blockh34d> k
[2:43] <blockh34d> hey what do you think the fastest way to go from picam to opengl would be? raspistill to a /var/ file and load that like any other texture?
[2:43] <clever> if you have 2 LIPO's going into their own diode, and then into a boost regulator
[2:43] <clever> and one LiPo is charger more
[2:43] <clever> that higher level battery will talk the bulk (or all) of the current
[2:43] <clever> until they drain to the same level
[2:43] <blockh34d> hmm
[2:43] <clever> then it should split fairly evenly
[2:43] <blockh34d> maybe a little less than ideal but i thin ki can work with that
[2:43] <clever> as for the picam, dont save the file to /var
[2:43] <clever> that will kill your sd card and have horid rates
[2:44] <blockh34d> oh right
[2:44] <blockh34d> not var
[2:44] <blockh34d> ump tmp
[2:44] <blockh34d> umm tmp even
[2:44] <clever> you want to use the raspicam or video source code
[2:44] <clever> right in your opengl app
[2:44] <blockh34d> tmp since its ram drive i think
[2:44] <clever> directly read the image into ram and use that
[2:44] <blockh34d> yes that would be great
[2:44] <clever> tmp isnt by default
[2:44] <blockh34d> oh i should set mine up to be
[2:44] <clever> i changed that to extend the life of my card
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[2:44] <blockh34d> i thought there was a ramdrive by default on the pi
[2:44] <blockh34d> little one or something
[2:44] <clever> run df -h
[2:44] <blockh34d> k
[2:44] <clever> youll see what is and isnt a tmpfs
[2:45] <Poison[BLX]> not by default on raspbian at least.
[2:45] <clever> and a simpler test, df -h /tmp/
[2:45] <clever> if it prints /tmp on /tmp, its its own mount point
[2:45] <clever> if it prints /, its not
[2:45] <clever> Filesystem Size Used Avail Use% Mounted on
[2:45] <clever> /dev/sda1 73G 58G 15G 80% /
[2:45] <clever> Filesystem Size Used Avail Use% Mounted on
[2:45] <clever> /dev/sda1 73G 58G 15G 80% /
[2:45] <clever> that was / and /tmp
[2:45] <clever> they match, so /tmp is part of /
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[2:46] <blockh34d> /dev/root mounted on /
[2:46] <blockh34d> so thats not a ramdrive then? bummer i shouldset one up i thinks, seems useful sometimes
[2:46] <clever> correct
[2:47] <blockh34d> hey thanks for walking me through that
[2:47] <blockh34d> i barely understand linux
[2:47] <blockh34d> i can kinda push it down the road, thats about it
[2:47] <shiftplusone> blockh34d, another one http://www.repairhub.co.uk/content/resources/raspberry-pi-battery-backup
[2:47] <blockh34d> would love to get a solar charger in th emix too
[2:48] <blockh34d> so you could maybe take one battery out, click it to a solar charger, leave it in th esun, and stay powered up through out
[2:48] <clever> tmpfs /tmp tmpfs defaults,exec 0 0
[2:48] <blockh34d> probaly 2 parts pipe dream, 1 part scifi, but we're getting close
[2:48] <clever> blockh34d: add this to /etc/fstab
[2:49] <blockh34d> should that first tmpfs have a / in front?
[2:49] <clever> no
[2:49] <clever> but it also doesnt actualy matter what it says
[2:49] <blockh34d> liks /tmpfs? k so just "tmpfs etc' exactly like you did?
[2:49] <clever> the tmpfs filesystem ignores it
[2:49] <blockh34d> oh
[2:49] <blockh34d> ok
[2:49] <blockh34d> thanks, i'll try that out
[2:49] <blockh34d> so that should make a ramdrive for me?
[2:49] <clever> its purely a name that shows up in the 'mount' output because the kernel expects it
[2:49] <blockh34d> or ?
[2:50] <clever> it will make a tmpfs, not a ramdisk
[2:50] <clever> tmpfs is just raw files in ram
[2:50] <clever> ramdisk is a block device, which must be formated with a normal FS and mounted
[2:50] <clever> ramdisk is more work and the 'free' space eats ram
[2:50] <blockh34d> oh ok
[2:51] <blockh34d> well as long as its storing stuff in ram and not the card thats all i care about
[2:51] <blockh34d> it could immediately throw them away for all i care
[2:51] <blockh34d> i think you're right though i should use direct input of texture image
[2:51] <ShorTie> raspbian uses a swap file
[2:51] <clever> both tmpfs and ramdisk can overflow into swap if it runs out of ram
[2:51] <blockh34d> if i messed up my fstab will it still boot?
[2:52] <clever> it should
[2:52] <blockh34d> like if i didnt type that right or seomthing, its not a bricked PI right?
[2:52] <blockh34d> k cool
[2:52] <clever> it cant read fstab until it mounts root
[2:52] <blockh34d> thanks gonna try that out
[2:52] <clever> and once root is mounted, its pretty hard to break that
[2:52] <blockh34d> maybe i should put it all in a pastie first?
[2:52] <clever> na, just reboot
[2:52] <blockh34d> or could i try without rebooting?
[2:52] <blockh34d> k
[2:52] <blockh34d> sec
[2:53] <clever> you can mount it at runtime, but some programs will be upset that their files went missing
[2:53] <blockh34d> right
[2:53] <blockh34d> so this will make my /temp folder be a ram device instead of sdcard based?
[2:54] <blockh34d> sounds pretty cool, thanks been trying to set that up a minute, kinda thought it was on by default but clearly not
[2:54] <blockh34d> /tmp i mean
[2:54] <clever> yeah
[2:54] <blockh34d> great, one sec trying it out
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[2:57] <blockh34d> looks like it worked
[2:57] <blockh34d> thanks!
[2:57] <blockh34d> so plugging this gps in should be pretty easy i guess
[2:57] <clever> connect gps gnd to pi gnd
[2:57] <clever> gps vcc to 3.3v on pi gpio
[2:58] <blockh34d> looks like should just be common ground then plug the gps tx to pi rx and vice versa?
[2:58] <clever> open /dev/ttyAMA0 at 4800
[2:58] <clever> gps tx to pi rx
[2:58] <clever> the gps rx is rarely needed
[2:58] <blockh34d> ok perfect
[2:58] <blockh34d> awesome! this is so cool
[2:58] <blockh34d> can't tell how long i've wanted to build this project
[2:58] <clever> you can usualy power the gps right off the pi, for most cases
[2:58] <blockh34d> yah i think that should be ok
[2:58] <blockh34d> i have a weird circumstance, so maybe not
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[2:59] <blockh34d> i'm trying to run a pi under 500ma
[2:59] <blockh34d> which is not kosher but i'm doing it anyways
[2:59] <clever> that would make it even easyer to run the gps off the pi
[2:59] <blockh34d> awesome
[2:59] <clever> if you want the total draw down
[2:59] <clever> the less the gps draws, the more likely you can just run it off a pi
[2:59] <clever> the complex part will be merging all of the data together
[2:59] <blockh34d> ?
[2:59] <clever> for example, to start with, you want to take only the accelerometer data
[3:00] <blockh34d> which will be i2c
[3:00] <clever> then find a way to calculate that you moved 5 meters
[3:00] <clever> walk 5 meters
[3:00] <blockh34d> yah i think maybe accel isnt what i needed
[3:00] <blockh34d> i think i should have gotten gyroscope
[3:00] <clever> gyro only tells you rotation
[3:00] <blockh34d> but person at store sorat talked me out of it
[3:00] <blockh34d> which is really what i want
[3:00] <blockh34d> the orientation of the helmet
[3:00] <clever> accel gives you g forces (accelleration, deceleration)
[3:01] <blockh34d> i need to know what direction its currently facing on every axis
[3:01] <clever> and if your rotation is not perfectly centered on the accel, then youll also get a reading on the accel
[3:01] <clever> each axis will behave differently in that case
[3:01] <blockh34d> how shoul di get my rotations figured out ?
[3:01] <blockh34d> accel? gyro?
[3:02] <clever> i think gyro is the correct answer
[3:02] <blockh34d> should be able to feed orientation data to my 3d app so it can sync to view
[3:02] <blockh34d> ahh i thought so
[3:02] <clever> but ive not used one, dont know how it will react when its not at the center of rotation
[3:02] <blockh34d> well maybe accel will be handy for something else
[3:02] <blockh34d> like for the hands
[3:02] <Poison[BLX]> gyro tends to have a cumulative error, accel doesn't.
[3:02] <clever> accel will tell you which way is down once motion has stopped
[3:03] <clever> which can give you direction your facing
[3:03] <Poison[BLX]> you can use the accel with ^ to error-correct the gyro.
[3:03] <clever> accel tells you which way is down when not moving
[3:03] <Poison[BLX]> IMU is fun.
[3:03] <Poison[BLX]> :P
[3:03] <clever> gyro tells you how its moving when its moving
[3:03] <blockh34d> Poison[BLX]: IMU?
[3:03] <clever> accel to re-calibrate the gyro's idea of down
[3:03] <Poison[BLX]> inertial measurement unit
[3:03] <blockh34d> oh ok
[3:04] <clever> gps will also be used to calibrate the drift out of the others
[3:04] <blockh34d> clever so in motion, the gyro will be off but the accel reading can be used to cancel out the offness?
[3:04] <clever> the gyro will tell you about any turning
[3:04] <blockh34d> i'm not sure i understand
[3:04] <clever> but when still, it may give small ammounts of rotation
[3:04] <clever> which will add up over time and give you a larger error
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[3:04] <blockh34d> so error correct off gps?
[3:05] <clever> no, the accel
[3:05] <blockh34d> so gps maybe update once a second or less
[3:05] <clever> an accelerometer can tell you which way is down when its still
[3:05] <blockh34d> ah ok
[3:05] <clever> but if you move to the left hard, the accel will say right is 'down'
[3:05] <clever> because of the g forces
[3:05] <blockh34d> so when its at rest, recalib the gyro
[3:05] <blockh34d> ?
[3:05] <clever> so you want to take a long term avg of the accel to find 'down'
[3:05] <blockh34d> off the accels reading of 'down'?
[3:05] <clever> and then use that to offset the gyro
[3:05] <blockh34d> ok i think i got it on a conceptual level
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[3:06] <blockh34d> great, sounds like i should be able to make this happen
[3:06] <blockh34d> i saw some drones with cameras
[3:06] <blockh34d> i daydream of hotwiring them to the helmet
[3:06] <blockh34d> its not so far off
[3:07] <blockh34d> i wish the EEG reading would work well
[3:07] <Poison[BLX]> "complimentary filter" "kalman filter" and "mahoney filter" are good terms to dig on the gyro+accel topic.
[3:07] <clever> if you want to learn accel quickly
[3:07] <blockh34d> i'm pretty sure it won't but i'm going to try anyways
[3:07] <clever> just get an accel graph app on your cellphone
[3:07] <clever> then have fun
[3:07] <blockh34d> the idea of thought controlled drones is just too cool not to try
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[3:07] <clever> as an example, put your phone on a spinning pc chair
[3:07] <clever> then spin it
[3:07] <blockh34d> Poison[BLX]: thanks a lot i'm writing all that down :)
[3:07] <clever> move it arround the seat, spin it again!
[3:07] <blockh34d> hey ok thats what i'll do
[3:07] <clever> check how each axis responds at various points
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[3:08] <clever> at the perfect center, it shouldnt have much of a reaction
[3:08] <blockh34d> i have a basic compass app i was playing around with, sounds like i need more or less that with all debug output on etc
[3:08] <blockh34d> and just watch what its doing as i mess with it
[3:08] <clever> if its near the outside edge, youll get some centrifugal forces
[3:08] <clever> and acceleration as it spins up
[3:08] <clever> on different axises
[3:08] <blockh34d> how well do you think an acceloremeter on each hand could track its relative position in space?
[3:09] <Poison[BLX]> note, be careful not to spin the chair so fast that it gets to record the sudden change of acceleration that an impact against the ground/nearby wall gives ;)
[3:09] <blockh34d> like if i had a reset posture where maybe you tough your hands together to your nose etc
[3:09] <blockh34d> and from then on it tried to track with accel
[3:09] <clever> it will tell you which way is down, and how fast the acceleration is changing
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[3:09] <blockh34d> Poison[BLX]: but science demands it! get a helmet!
[3:09] <clever> getting location out of acceleration is complex
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[3:10] <blockh34d> how should i track hands that isnt optical based?
[3:10] <blockh34d> i don't want to use the hmd camers and 'pingpong ball track', although i do think that would work well maybe
[3:10] <blockh34d> i'd like some sort of maybe ultrasonic triangulation?
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[3:11] <blockh34d> maybe something that just tracks the wrist and then i'll make gloves to track hand position
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[3:11] <blockh34d> is there anything better than ultrasonic for that? maybe wifi?
[3:11] <clever> blockh34d: flex sensors in a glove
[3:11] <clever> on each finger
[3:11] <blockh34d> yes i love em
[3:11] <clever> flex sensor on the wrist
[3:12] <blockh34d> the ol powerglove one
[3:12] <Poison[BLX]> accelerometers is a common way, but it's not entirely trivial. What's the highest math you've worked with? (it's not *that* complex, but the explanation varies depending on that ;) )
[3:12] <clever> flex suit! :P
[3:12] <blockh34d> but now theres other flex sensors
[3:12] <clever> elbow
[3:12] <clever> shoulder
[3:12] <blockh34d> from insulated fiber optics with little slits cut at the bends
[3:12] <clever> oh, what if you had an accelerometer on the center of each bone?
[3:12] <blockh34d> measures how much light escaped for bend reading
[3:12] <clever> 2 on the arm, one on the back of the hand
[3:12] <clever> you could measure the angle of each joint with that
[3:12] <blockh34d> maybe eh, its within the budget
[3:12] <clever> and compute where the hand is
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[3:12] <Poison[BLX]> clever: that just sounds like a really expensive way to 3d-model atheletes mid-game.
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[3:13] <blockh34d> how do they do it on deadliest warrior i wonder?
[3:13] <clever> Poison[BLX]: that would be a side-effect/bonus feature
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[3:13] <blockh34d> he's always doing something like this with a little portable unit
[3:13] <clever> blockh34d: i think its IR reflective markers and an IR camera/flood light
[3:13] <blockh34d> ohh ok
[3:13] <clever> use 2 cameras from different viewpoints
[3:13] <clever> then compute 3d, the same way your brain does with 2 eyes
[3:13] <blockh34d> hmm it didnt look optic based to me, but i'm not sure
[3:14] <blockh34d> i think its gyro based to track weapon orientation
[3:14] <blockh34d> like he'd strap something onto an axe
[3:14] <blockh34d> you think thats optic based?
[3:14] <clever> ah, i think that was just a raw accelerometer, to measure g forces and acceleration
[3:14] <blockh34d> yes that would be my guess
[3:14] <blockh34d> oh wait youre right
[3:14] <clever> for example, when the axe hits a target, it will have a sudden and massive deceleration
[3:14] <blockh34d> it doenst track position
[3:14] <blockh34d> just orientation/speed
[3:14] <clever> and then, you know its a 5 pound axe with 5 g's of force
[3:15] <clever> so it hit with 25 pounds of force
[3:15] <blockh34d> right thats it
[3:15] <blockh34d> y ah not quite tracking hands there though
[3:15] <Poison[BLX]> which can be used to calculate position, if you know initial and have enough datapoints between
[3:16] <blockh34d> Poison[BLX]: so ok what if you start a hand gesture by touching your temple
[3:16] <clever> the accel tells you how much its gaining/loosing speed
[3:16] <blockh34d> and then it tracks until you've finished the gesture, and from that point in space
[3:16] <blockh34d> so it might be lossy and error prone but still kinda follows the motion, and is recalibrated pretty much every gesture or so
[3:17] <blockh34d> clever: in each axis? or overall? or both?
[3:17] <clever> each axis, and it will get complex if there is any rotation
[3:17] <blockh34d> yah there probably would be
[3:18] <blockh34d> if its on your hand right
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[3:18] <clever> first you will need to subtract gravity from the readings to zero it out (not sure how)
[3:18] <blockh34d> or do you mean a lot of rotation?
[3:18] <clever> then if the x axis has +0.1 g, you need to calculate how fast it would be accelerating to cause that
[3:18] <Poison[BLX]> blockh34d: accel gives rate of change of speed in each axis *relative to the sensor* (rotations = change in relative axes to the head, ground, etc), speed gives rate of change of position. You'd need to give it some way to know *when* it's at its reset point. The gyro gives you rotation, so you can normalize your axes for your calculations at each step in the calculation.
[3:18] <clever> and ADD that much to your x speed
[3:18] <clever> then repeat on each sample
[3:18] <clever> if its at a constant speed, the x reading will drop down to zero
[3:18] <clever> and youll stop adding to the x speed
[3:18] <clever> repeat on each axis
[3:19] <clever> the problem, is that if you rotate 90 degrees, the x movement may map to the y axis
[3:19] <blockh34d> Poison[BLX]: yes there would be reset point button perhaps to GPIO, you push it and it knows thats where your finger is
[3:19] <clever> so the math gets complex
[3:19] <blockh34d> clever: wellt hat'd be awkward
[3:20] <clever> so you may need to read the gyro at every sample
[3:20] <blockh34d> maybe i should just use optical for GUI tracking
[3:20] <clever> and shift the speed vector with it
[3:20] <blockh34d> i just really like the idea of this thing knowing exact orientatly of users hand(s)
[3:20] <clever> thats all in the IMU fun Poison[BLX] mentioned
[3:20] <Poison[BLX]> :D
[3:20] <blockh34d> nice
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[3:21] <blockh34d> can't believe how long its taken me to get to working VR stuffs
[3:21] <blockh34d> 20 years i've wanted to do this
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[3:21] <Poison[BLX]> what's really fun, incidentally, is that... it's the same technology you use for between-gps-point tracking of motion for anything autonomous...
[3:21] <blockh34d> 25 actually
[3:22] <blockh34d> oh so this is also good for drone eh
[3:22] <Poison[BLX]> now you know why I know the topic! :P
[3:22] <blockh34d> or all kinds of stuff but especially drone
[3:22] <blockh34d> ah ok
[3:22] <blockh34d> are you into drones?
[3:22] <blockh34d> maybe i knew that and forgot, i'm bad about that
[3:23] <blockh34d> i want to plug a kinect into a pi
[3:23] <blockh34d> any thoughts on that anyone?
[3:23] <Poison[BLX]> drones, missiles, it's even been used in at least one iteration of the helmet tracking developed for the apache... and yeah, I dabble with drones a little. Not a lot yet, sadly, time and money games :(
[3:23] <blockh34d> how much 3d data can i already derive from stereo cameras?
[3:23] <clever> blockh34d: with plain pi cameras, you cant easily pair up 1 point on both cameras
[3:24] <blockh34d> i feel like i could probably already get a lot of 3d data out of two images, especially two 1920x1080 images
[3:24] <clever> the kinect uses a grid of ir dots to solve that
[3:24] <blockh34d> what kind of resolution is that grid?
[3:24] <clever> i forget
[3:24] <clever> and its actualy a random cloud, not a grid
[3:24] <blockh34d> oh ok
[3:24] <clever> so it can uniquely identify every point
[3:24] <blockh34d> cool
[3:25] <blockh34d> neat stuff
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[3:25] <blockh34d> know of any kinect/pi projects?
[3:25] <clever> for example, if your staring at a perfect checkerboard too long
[3:25] <clever> you can go crosseyed and not know it
[3:25] <clever> until you introduce something else (a hand)
[3:25] <blockh34d> right
[3:25] <clever> if its large enough to cover your entire field of view
[3:25] <blockh34d> yah our eyes are amazing
[3:25] <blockh34d> its crazy how much we don't see, we just think we see
[3:25] <clever> the eyes can be locked onto different squares and not know it
[3:25] <blockh34d> the mind fills in quite a bit
[3:26] <blockh34d> yah
[3:26] <clever> the kinect solves that by using a random cloud
[3:26] <shiftplusone> our eyes are kind of crap, it's the brains which are amazing.
[3:26] <blockh34d> i used to work in a theater
[3:26] <blockh34d> and i found i could stare a screen so long it basically disappeared and it looked like blankness behind it
[3:26] <blockh34d> but thats only if it was a blank screen with nothing on, and you had to stare at it without moving your eyes at all for a minute or two
[3:26] <shiftplusone> blockh34d, by not moving your eyes around?
[3:26] <Poison[BLX]> and the processing our brains do is *spectacular* compared to what computers can manage at the same effective 'framerate'.
[3:26] <shiftplusone> yeah, that
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[3:27] <blockh34d> Poison[BLX]: oh i knows, its really out of control what our eyes can do
[3:27] <blockh34d> hey clever do you think someone could use those QPU's to do the brute forcing of lining up two camera inputs aligned like i am as eyes?
[3:28] <blockh34d> so the qpu's figure out the xyz of every pixel maybe
[3:28] <blockh34d> maybe a smaller subset of pixels to accomodate data exchange beetween two pi's
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[3:29] <clever> blockh34d: i dont know how to do that kind of image processing, so that wouldnt be easy for me to setup
[3:29] <blockh34d> yah it sounds tricky
[3:29] <blockh34d> i think horizontally everything is the same
[3:29] <blockh34d> but vertically it'll vary
[3:29] <blockh34d> and that's the distance
[3:29] <Poison[BLX]> blockh34d: also, a good, but likely over your head (I've studied aerospace engineering, gone through multivariable calculus, etc, and it takes me a fair bit of effort to follow it effectively, including re-reading the code a few dozen times), read: www.x-io.co.uk/open-source-imu-and-ahrs-algorithms/
[3:29] <blockh34d> cool thanks Poison[BLX] i'll check it out
[3:30] <blockh34d> i don't need to be able to rewrite it just to get some use out of it ;)
[3:30] <blockh34d> no sense reinventing incredibly complicated wheels
[3:30] <Poison[BLX]> well, adjusting it for your sensors might take some tweaking, etc.
[3:31] <Poison[BLX]> *my* goal with it when I get crazy enough to do it... will be translating it from floating point to integer math (likely fixed point or somesuch) to run on avr.
[3:33] <Poison[BLX]> because the overhead of floating point math is more time than I want to devote to it when it'll *then* need to *react* to the change that's been calculated. :P
[3:34] <blockh34d> yah that sounds pretty intensive
[3:34] <Poison[BLX]> also, you don't have to rewrite it to get use, but learning quaternions is an interesting little bit of math that *still* doesn't click with me in a visual sense.
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[3:35] <Poison[BLX]> although, if you've done much with rotations in GL... I suspect you may've already worked with quaternions.
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[3:35] <blockh34d> well the term has come up
[3:35] <blockh34d> and i kind of recall maybe a angle -> quat conversion
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[3:35] <blockh34d> maybe radian to quat
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[3:36] <blockh34d> i dunno its all a big blur to be honest
[3:38] <Poison[BLX]> angle in radians is a direction-less quantity, like speed is, i.e. "95mph", while quaternions give a sense of 'direction' to the rotation, both at the initial point and the final one.
[3:38] <blockh34d> pi3d is all degrees and some radians with python math but i dont remember a lot of quaternions with this batch of opengl stuff
[3:38] <Poison[BLX]> it probably only uses the euler angles approach
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[3:39] <blockh34d> oh ok so quats are like a direction as oriented to a global 'north'? and/or 'up'?
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[3:43] <Poison[BLX]> sort of, more.. they give both the extent of the rotation and the axis it's around in a single 'value' (actually 4 values, "qua"ternion ;) ) http://www.opengl-tutorial.org/intermediate-tutorials/tutorial-17-quaternions/
[3:45] <Poison[BLX]> also, modern vector notation originated with quaternions, incidentally.... but quaternions aren't taught in any math course I've seen (while vectors are taught in maths, physics, and a ridiculous portion of engineering curriculum. Often redundantly, because they're that essential to understanding the basis of it all, i.e. applying newton's laws.)
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[3:55] <adamantbanana> Hello
[3:55] <xMopxShell> banana
[3:56] <adamantbanana> I'm having some trouble getting Apache to work on Raspbian
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[3:56] <adamantbanana> From what I've read,all one needs to do is install the proper modules and start the apache2 service
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[3:56] <adamantbanana> One should then be able to connect using one's IP and get an "It works!" page
[3:56] * blockh34d wonders what a dark/gritty reboot of BananaMan would be like
[3:56] <Poison[BLX]> I feel like I shouldn't ask this sometimes, but... is there a particular need for it to be a full fledged apache?
[3:57] <xMopxShell> use nginx. much lighter :)
[3:57] <xMopxShell> or lighttpd but i find it obnoxious to configure...
[3:57] <adamantbanana> problem is, I'm just getting a blank page, not even the "It works!" text when I try to connect to my Pi's IP
[3:57] <Poison[BLX]> or, and I don't just recommend this 'cause of the pun involved, monkeyd.
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[3:58] <adamantbanana> Well I'm actually just trying to do this: http://stackoverflow.com/questions/12715195/how-to-forward-a-subdomain-to-a-new-port-on-the-same-ip-address
[3:58] <Poison[BLX]> xMopxShell: last I used lighttpd it slowly but surely leaked ram all over the place :(
[3:58] <adamantbanana> I don't need to display any webpages, I just need to forward subdomains to specific ports
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[3:59] <adamantbanana> e.g. irc.bananasareawesome.net -> 192.168.0.108:6667
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[3:59] <adamantbanana> and web.bananasareawesome.net -> 192.168.0.108:7778
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[4:00] <xMopxShell> Poison[BLX]: ah, ive never been a fan of it either
[4:00] <adamantbanana> is there a (preferably more lightweight) alternative to apache with which this could be achieved?
[4:01] <xMopxShell> you cant forward a domain to a specific port
[4:01] <xMopxShell> you can proxy a domain to a service running on a specific port, though
[4:02] <adamantbanana> well I'm running an InspIRCd server on port 6667 and I'd like "irc.<mydomain>.com" to direct to that
[4:02] <adamantbanana> and I'm running KiwiIRC on port 7778, so I'd like "web.<mydomain>.com" to direct to that
[4:02] <xMopxShell> you just need to point irc.mydomain.com to your servers ip
[4:02] <xMopxShell> irc clients know to use the irc port (6667) automatically
[4:03] <xMopxShell> just like http://google.com/, your browser knows to use port 80
[4:03] <adamantbanana> yeah, but I'm also running KiwiIRC on port 7778
[4:03] <adamantbanana> (which is an IRC web client)
[4:03] <xMopxShell> yea
[4:03] <xMopxShell> can't move kiwiirc to port 80?
[4:04] <Poison[BLX]> best option ^
[4:04] <adamantbanana> and I'd like www.<mydomain>.com & <mydomain>.com & web.<mydomain>.com to direct to the KiwiIRC page
[4:04] <adamantbanana> I'm using dot.tk and I've already got these subdomains set up
[4:05] <xMopxShell> .tk shuts down your domain if you dont get a certain number of visits per month, btw
[4:05] <adamantbanana> True, but I'll be getting plenty
[4:05] <adamantbanana> well, enough at least
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[4:05] <blockh34d> anyone remember BananaMan?
[4:06] <blockh34d> the show
[4:06] <xMopxShell> negative
[4:06] <blockh34d> it was fun, they should bring back bananaman
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[4:06] <blockh34d> little crudely drawn cartoon
[4:06] <blockh34d> about a kid that gets superpowers when he eats a banana
[4:07] <blockh34d> had a good message (eat healthy)
[4:07] <Poison[BLX]> those should be pointing to the IP, the client chooses the port, so browsers => http=80. Either run your webirc on 80, run a tiny little page that does nothing but redirect on 80, or run iptables and route from 80 to 7778 internally
[4:07] <adamantbanana> So to recap, it's absolutely impossible to make web.mydomain.com redirect to local port 7778?
[4:08] <blockh34d> maybe you don't mind writing your own asynch socket server... i've seen it in under a page of code, got 'hello world' served up across my network in web browsers etc
[4:08] <blockh34d> that could probably route sockets the weird way you're trying to do, but ack why
[4:08] <blockh34d> i think it sounds like a horrible idea
[4:08] <adamantbanana> Yeah I suppose I could try running KiwiIRC on port 80
[4:08] <blockh34d> but it's probably 'possible'
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[4:09] <Poison[BLX]> adamantbanana: dns can't make that happen, but any webserver that can serve a 301 header can listen on 80 and say "hey, you're looking for *:7778."
[4:09] <Poison[BLX]> adamantbanana: which... apache is massively overkill for.
[4:10] <Poison[BLX]> adamantbanana: but the best option really is getting kiwiirc to use 80.
[4:10] <adamantbanana> Yeah poison, I gathered as much from the stackoverflow page
[4:11] <adamantbanana> well I just set the kiwiIRC port to 80 and restarted the kiwi server
[4:11] <adamantbanana> but now I cannot connect
[4:11] <adamantbanana> "Oops! Google Chrome could not connect to 192.168.0.108"
[4:12] <Poison[BLX]> if it simply won't do 80, nginx is a great way to go: http://stackoverflow.com/questions/9471956 <- has a good writeup -- did you kill apache first?
[4:12] <adamantbanana> i did "sudo /etc/init.d/apache2 stop" if that's what you mean
[4:12] <Poison[BLX]> good.
[4:13] <Poison[BLX]> wanted to make sure apache didn't still have ahold of 80 when you restarted kiwi ;)
[4:13] <adamantbanana> so then I gather this means Kiwi simply won't work on port 80?
[4:13] <adamantbanana> KiwiIRC is using node.js btw
[4:14] * Poison[BLX] ponders.
[4:14] <Poison[BLX]> any log from kiwi's startup available?
[4:14] <adamantbanana> yeah lemme check
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[4:15] <adamantbanana> "Error listening on 0.0.0.0:80: EACCESS"
[4:15] <adamantbanana> Does port 80 need root access? o-O
[4:15] <Poison[BLX]> ah, right... sub-1000 = root only. Doh.
[4:15] <Poison[BLX]> yeah.
[4:16] <adamantbanana> I was led to believe that running things like IRC servers and web servers as root is generally a bad idea
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[4:17] <Poison[BLX]> that's why they're written to run as root, bind the port, then drop privledges and continue as another user
[4:17] <adamantbanana> Then again I've only had my Pi for less than a week and it's my first non-windows OS (aside from my android phone) so I wouldn't really know
[4:17] <adamantbanana> oh i see
[4:17] <Poison[BLX]> you were led to believe correctly :)
[4:17] <Poison[BLX]> but kiwi works under the assumption that it'll never get root, so it starts and runs as the same user the whole time, I'm guessing.
[4:18] <adamantbanana> yeah
[4:18] <adamantbanana> can I write a script that does this safely?
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[4:18] <Poison[BLX]> not likely, the 'drop privledges' is a part the program has to do itself.
[4:18] <adamantbanana> assuming it actually does drop root after grabbing port 80 it should be safe to use right?
[4:18] <adamantbanana> oh ok
[4:18] <Poison[BLX]> nginx, apache, etc all do that... I don't know kiwi's coding
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[4:19] <Poison[BLX]> so nginx is a good option, or iptables
[4:19] <adamantbanana> well it's written in JavaScript using node.js
[4:19] <adamantbanana> don't know much more about it
[4:19] <adamantbanana> iptables?
[4:20] <adamantbanana> btw any subdomain would normally also point to port 80 right?
[4:20] <Poison[BLX]> well, actually, this config line implies it *should* drop root: "// Run the Kiwi server under a different user/group" if you start it as root with the lines under that set properly.
[4:20] <adamantbanana> I mean the browser treats it as such?
[4:20] <Poison[BLX]> as long as the subdomain's pointed to the right IP, yeah.
[4:21] <adamantbanana> i see
[4:21] <adamantbanana> oh yeah I wondered what that line was for
[4:21] <Poison[BLX]> the browser looks up the dns name, gets an IP, then connects to "ip:port" with the request url (including dns name) in the http data
[4:21] <adamantbanana> if I try that with the different user in config, how can I check if it has dropped root afterwards?
[4:22] <Poison[BLX]> I'm not entirely certain
[4:23] <adamantbanana> hmm
[4:23] <adamantbanana> okay, how would I use iptables to redirect port 80 to 7778?
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[4:26] <Poison[BLX]> something along the lines of.... iptables -A PREROUTING -t nat -i eth0 -p tcp --dport 80 -j REDIRECT --to-port 7778 ; iptables -t nat -I PREROUTING --src 0/0 --dst iphere -p tcp --dport 80 -j REDIRECT --to-port 7778
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[4:26] <Poison[BLX]> but lemme verify against my router, just a moment.
[4:26] <adamantbanana> o_O
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[4:28] <Poison[BLX]> that was snagged on someone else's site regarding kiwi... just the first *should* work, though.
[4:29] <Poison[BLX]> i.e.: iptables -A PREROUTING -t nat -i eth0 -p tcp --dport 80 -j REDIRECT --to-port 7778
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[4:30] <Poison[BLX]> it may seem like a horrifying command, but... it sets *when* it does it, prerouting, how (nat), what traffic to do it with (in on eth0, tcp, coming into port 80), what to do with it (redirect to port 7778).
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[4:34] <adamantbanana> i see
[4:34] <Poison[BLX]> best part, if you run a command in iptables like that, it a) takes effect immediately and b) doesn't automatically save in a way that persists through reboots (unless something's set in a shutdown script to save the current rules automatically and you do a proper reboot)... so if you lock yourself out, you can reboot and get back in to try again with a different command.
[4:34] <adamantbanana> thanks, i'll try this :D
[4:34] <adamantbanana> oh i see
[4:34] <adamantbanana> how do I apply this? just run it in terminal?
[4:34] <Poison[BLX]> yeah
[4:34] <adamantbanana> k
[4:35] <johnc-> ugh, people are raving about this Jasper thing
[4:35] <johnc-> the API is so infantile
[4:35] <adamantbanana> I've also just uninstalled apache2 btw
[4:35] <adamantbanana> using apt-get purge
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[4:36] <adamantbanana> if the iptables thing does end up working, how do I make it permanent?
[4:37] <Poison[BLX]> adamantbanana: I'll have to look that up for raspbian... I run my firewall/router/mess on a much bigger system with gentoo...
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[4:41] <clever> Poison[BLX]: one thing ive learned, iptables works with RCU lists
[4:41] <adamantbanana> D: https://www.eff.org/deeplinks/2014/04/wild-heart-were-intelligence-agencies-using-heartbleed-november-2013
[4:41] <clever> RCU==read, copy, update
[4:41] <clever> Poison[BLX]: what that means, is that EVERY call to iptables will COPY the entire rule list, modify the copy
[4:41] <clever> then update a small atomic pointer
[4:42] <clever> so if you have a bash script with 200 iptables, each one gets progressively slower
[4:42] <clever> its faster to do it in bulk with iptables-restore
[4:42] <clever> at which point, you almost want to iptables-save at shutdown, and then lock yourself out :P
[4:42] <clever> but you could generate the save file via a script as well, and only ever restore
[4:43] <Poison[BLX]> clever: yeah
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[4:43] <Poison[BLX]> I rarely work with >50 rules... my network's fairly simple.
[4:43] <clever> i made a template file by just messing with iptables until it worked
[4:43] <clever> then i saved that, and have hand-edited the template since
[4:44] <clever> insert with a text editor is much simpler then insert with -I
[4:44] <clever> and you can comment each rule in the file
[4:44] <blockh34d> gps hooked up
[4:44] <Poison[BLX]> that's the approach I take, copy to a new file, make changes, restore from the test copy, and overwrite the on-boot copy if my connection to the router survives the change :P
[4:44] <blockh34d> is it /dev/ttyUSB0 ?
[4:45] <clever> Poison[BLX]: ah, good idea on that
[4:45] <clever> blockh34d: AMA
[4:45] <blockh34d> clever ok thanks, what was that serial login command you mentioned?
[4:46] <clever> that was to disable the serial login
[4:46] <blockh34d> i saw something like 'screen PortName baudrate' but i'm not sure what port name would be, AMA?
[4:46] <clever> so the pi doesnt treat the gps coords as a name/pw
[4:46] <blockh34d> oh ok
[4:46] <clever> ttyAMA0, look in /dev for something like that
[4:46] <blockh34d> k
[4:46] <clever> and i'm off to bed now
[4:46] <blockh34d> yup its there
[4:46] <blockh34d> great thanks for all the help!
[4:47] <blockh34d> rpi's are so freaking cool
[4:47] <blockh34d> can't believe i'm finally getting gps/helmet/vr/ar working
[4:48] <Poison[BLX]> adamantbanana: looks like it doesn't auto-restore from any particular file on boot. Steps 2 and 3 from here set it up to do so (and that page has a good rundown of some basic iptables rules): http://www.bartbania.com/index.php/iptables-security-part-ii/
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[4:48] <clever> Poison[BLX]: yeah, i believe rasbian has no iptables stuff on bootup
[4:48] <clever> so its always wide open
[4:48] <clever> until you manualy load it
[4:48] <clever> also, rc.local isnt the best place, that leaves you open for a few minutes
[4:48] <clever> between eth0 coming up and rc.local running
[4:48] <Poison[BLX]> which is a really good idea on a system geared towards learning...
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[4:49] * clever heads to bed
[4:49] <adamantbanana> I'm not sure the port 80 redirect thing is working
[4:49] <Poison[BLX]> because nothing stunts the interest to learn like your new toy turning into a relative brick :)
[4:49] * Poison[BLX] ponders.
[4:49] <blockh34d> screen doesn tappear to be on this pi yet
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[4:49] <blockh34d> what is a stock program to monitor serial data?
[4:49] <adamantbanana> I'm still getting "Oops! Google Chrome could not connect to <ip>" when trying to connect
[4:49] <blockh34d> stock in raspbian
[4:49] <clever> blockh34d: you can just install screen
[4:50] <Poison[BLX]> hrm.
[4:50] <blockh34d> yah but this pi isn't on network right now
[4:50] <clever> sudo apt-get install screen
[4:50] <clever> minicom, stty&cat
[4:50] <adamantbanana> the local IP isn't working either
[4:50] <blockh34d> oh i'll try those and if it doesnt work out i'll suck it up and swap my cables around
[4:50] <clever> stty < /dev/ttyAMA0 4800 && cat /dev/ttyAMA0
[4:50] <adamantbanana> but I can connect directly with :7778
[4:50] <blockh34d> thanks
[4:50] <clever> stty changes the default baud rate
[4:50] <blockh34d> oh great thanks
[4:50] <clever> cat just reads it
[4:50] <clever> simple and dumb
[4:51] <Poison[BLX]> adamantbanana: silly offhand question. Is it connected on a wired connection?
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[4:51] <clever> you will want to later create a proper app to handle it all internally
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[4:52] <adamantbanana> No, I'm connected through a 'nano' wifi dongle
[4:52] <Poison[BLX]> adamantbanana: that'd do it!
[4:52] <adamantbanana> wired connection is not feasible for my setup
[4:53] <Poison[BLX]> iptables -A PREROUTING -t nat -i eth0 -p tcp --dport 80 -j REDIRECT --to-port 7778 <-- adjust eth0 accordingly then.
[4:53] <adamantbanana> the wireless connection is eth0
[4:53] <adamantbanana> at least
[4:53] <adamantbanana> hang on
[4:53] <adamantbanana> maybe not
[4:53] <Poison[BLX]> not typically :)
[4:53] <adamantbanana> how do I verify this
[4:54] <Poison[BLX]> ifconfig -a
[4:54] <adamantbanana> THIS EXPLAINS SO MANY THINGS
[4:54] * Poison[BLX] chuckles.
[4:54] <Poison[BLX]> and now, I go poof... battery's about to go dead on my laptop! good luck! :)
[4:54] <adamantbanana> I wondered why slurm wasn't working
[4:54] <adamantbanana> thanks poison!
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[4:55] <blockh34d> gnite
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[4:59] <adamantbanana> aaand it works :D
[4:59] <blockh34d> hey w2g
[4:59] <adamantbanana> I take it my earlier changes to eth0's iptables will automatically be reverted?
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[5:03] <blockh34d> i would not know
[5:03] <blockh34d> and i believe those that would have mostly wandered off
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[5:04] <blockh34d> but patience and some will return i'm sure
[5:05] <blockh34d> Woot!!
[5:05] <blockh34d> i'm gettig GPS data
[5:05] <blockh34d> it's so pretty
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[6:31] <AbbyTheRat> nice blockh34d :)
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[6:32] <AbbyTheRat> I had an interesting.. actually, no.. annoying time
[6:32] <shiftplusone> why's that?
[6:33] <shiftplusone> (And hello)
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[6:35] <blockh34d> hi
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[6:36] * shiftplusone spent half a day on the roof with a bottle of bleach and a tiny brush, cleaning of lichen. >=/
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[6:36] <blockh34d> ah such fun
[6:36] <blockh34d> hopefully 50/50 bleach
[6:37] <blockh34d> almost never a reason to use straight bleach other than you just like chemical burns
[6:37] <shiftplusone> pure bleach
[6:37] <blockh34d> ahh take care
[6:37] <blockh34d> you could inhale it
[6:37] <blockh34d> it could get in your eyes
[6:37] <shiftplusone> yeah
[6:37] <blockh34d> so many things could go wrong i encourage you to water it down
[6:37] <blockh34d> it will still work just as good
[6:38] <shiftplusone> still a tad dizzy and hands feel all ewy and burney
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[6:38] <blockh34d> you need to relaly wash them thoroughly
[6:38] <blockh34d> and then again
[6:38] <shiftplusone> nuh, when it was diluted it did nothing
[6:38] <blockh34d> well maybe diluted too much i dunno
[6:38] <shiftplusone> pure bleach barely helped
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[6:39] <shiftplusone> hence the tiny brush and a lot of elbow grease
[6:39] <blockh34d> what kind of roof is it?
[6:39] <shiftplusone> need a compressor >=/
[6:39] <AbbyTheRat> I created a set of test events for my projects
[6:39] <shiftplusone> terracotta tile
[6:39] <blockh34d> yah i feel like unless you got sentimental attachment to those particular shingles... maybe time to stick some new shingles down?
[6:39] <blockh34d> oh
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[6:39] <shiftplusone> would be a bit pricey to replace
[6:40] <AbbyTheRat> I was fetching a week from google calendar.. but nothing was showing up in my python output
[6:40] <AbbyTheRat> an HOUR was spent on this.. almost anyway
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[6:41] <AbbyTheRat> turns out.. when I was adding events, I was adding it to a completely different calendar set.. my test calendar that I created some time ago to test calendar selection
[6:41] <shiftplusone> when I was buying the three bottles of bleach, the checkout guy asked me what I was up to and I said I had a date... he did not appreciate the attempt at humour =(
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[6:44] <shiftplusone> (but I guess I woudn't have either, in his shoes)
[6:44] <blockh34d> lol good answer
[6:45] <AbbyTheRat> Sooo annoying <_<;
[6:45] <AbbyTheRat> shiftplusone: at least it wasn't a cop.
[6:45] <shiftplusone> heh
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[6:46] <AbbyTheRat> you might heh me, but you would of gave them reasonable suspicion to get a warrent for a search. >_>;
[6:47] <AbbyTheRat> Too many stories like that has made me very careful to avoid that kind of humour :P
[6:47] <shiftplusone> Meh, I like late night walks and look quite dodgy, so I get frisked often enough >_<
[6:48] <shiftplusone> and when I was younger, it wouldn't be a weekend without cops taking my details down =/
[6:49] <AbbyTheRat> now I have to figure out why I have hit my limit when google console says I haven't
[6:49] <shiftplusone> What's the limit?
[6:51] <AbbyTheRat> I figured it out.
[6:51] <AbbyTheRat> 100,000 requests a day
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[6:52] <AbbyTheRat> used 49 so far. Nah, the problem seem to be that I set SingleEvent as false.. (which is weruid cause that's default value) it seems that it attemps to fetch recurring events.. when you have the recurring event set to forever.. yeahh it balks at it
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[6:53] <blockh34d> you'll get it
[6:53] <blockh34d> sounds like you're getting close
[6:53] <blockh34d> is it SOAP/REST?
[6:53] <blockh34d> something like that?
[6:53] <AbbyTheRat> again, this is werid cause you would of thought it only fetch recurring events within the set min/max dates.
[6:53] <AbbyTheRat> yes
[6:54] <AbbyTheRat> using the google library v3
[6:54] <blockh34d> yes i was using it not long ago for some mapping apps
[6:54] <AbbyTheRat> on a side note, thank to the issue with using the wrong calendar, I spotted a sneaky bug that would of bit me in the ass down the road.. a sneaky logic bug
[6:54] <blockh34d> and i think their more basic remote flatfile support, some sort of xml something
[6:55] <AbbyTheRat> JSON
[6:55] <blockh34d> yah prolly
[6:55] <blockh34d> good stuff
[6:55] <blockh34d> i thin i have a battery for my helmet now
[6:55] <blockh34d> should run it for days and will fit in the helmet
[6:55] <blockh34d> 8 amp hours
[6:56] <blockh34d> how long can that run a pi with nothing plugged into it?
[6:56] <blockh34d> at approx 500ma
[6:56] <blockh34d> 16 hours?
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[6:56] <AbbyTheRat> I thought it was closer to 300ma?
[6:56] <AbbyTheRat> *shrug*
[6:56] <blockh34d> yah i thought so too but i also have picam in there
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[6:56] <AbbyTheRat> you said nothing plugged in
[6:56] <AbbyTheRat> <_<
[6:57] <blockh34d> i did
[6:57] <blockh34d> i lied
[6:57] <AbbyTheRat> well.. aren't you a jerk :P
[6:57] <blockh34d> i am a moral relativist
[6:57] <AbbyTheRat> er.. is that an ok word?
[6:57] * AbbyTheRat looks at shiftplusone
[6:58] <blockh34d> guess so
[6:58] <AbbyTheRat> man, I hate having to tiptoe with my words a bit o_o;;
[6:58] <shiftplusone> eh?
[6:58] <shiftplusone> reads up
[6:58] <blockh34d> this powerpack actually has two outputs
[6:58] <shiftplusone> me *
[6:58] <blockh34d> one at 1amp, one at 2amp
[6:58] <shiftplusone> ...can't type.
[6:59] <blockh34d> 3amps is a lot of power for these sort of devices i think
[6:59] <shiftplusone> ah.... I've called people jerks here before, so I don't think I ccan say much.
[6:59] <blockh34d> easily two pis, to picams, two lcd displays, one gps, etc
[6:59] <AbbyTheRat> hee, the day you can't type would be the day I lose my hand
[7:00] <AbbyTheRat> if we go by how badly I fail at typing and spelling and grammar and etc
[7:00] <blockh34d> any reason not to operate a gps right up by your skull/brain for long periods of time?
[7:00] <blockh34d> cancer risks etc?
[7:00] <shiftplusone> to be more accurate, I called inanimate objects jerks, not people.
[7:00] <blockh34d> what do you call jerks?
[7:00] <blockh34d> inanimate objects?
[7:00] <shiftplusone> idn
[7:00] <shiftplusone> GPS shouldn't transmit anything
[7:00] <blockh34d> thats my thought
[7:01] <blockh34d> its the cellphone stuff thats tumor-ifique yes?
[7:01] <shiftplusone> and what it's receiving is in the air anyway.
[7:01] <blockh34d> right
[7:01] <shiftplusone> There are no conclusive links between brain tumours and mobile phones
[7:01] <blockh34d> cool thanks
[7:01] <blockh34d> yah and fluoride is safe and good for your teeth
[7:01] <AbbyTheRat> It's a good job twe don't have the newpaper scarmonging about all the signals coming from space and the risk of cancer from that <_<
[7:02] <blockh34d> got it
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[7:02] <AbbyTheRat> uhhh.. wasn't it fluoride is ok for your teeth but too much cause yellowing?
[7:02] <blockh34d> lol
[7:02] <shiftplusone> AbbyTheRat, there's a conspiracy theory about fluoride.
[7:02] <blockh34d> its horrible stuff
[7:03] <blockh34d> theres conspiracy fact
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[7:03] <blockh34d> fact: before it was used by the nazi's on concentration camps, it was barely used at all ever anywhere
[7:03] <shiftplusone> AbbyTheRat, since it's a biproduct from the aluminium industry and that's usually what finds its way in the water supply.
[7:03] <shiftplusone> blockh34d, citation needed
[7:03] <AbbyTheRat> blockh34d: Eeeehhhh.. might want to shift away from that
[7:03] <blockh34d> fact: less than 10 years after ww2 it was everywhere in america
[7:03] <shiftplusone> nuh, I want to follow through on this
[7:03] <blockh34d> vetted by 300+ 'medical organizations'
[7:03] <shiftplusone> because I know which book he will quote
[7:04] <blockh34d> well second then
[7:04] <blockh34d> lemme go dig it up
[7:04] <blockh34d> its not from any one book
[7:04] <AbbyTheRat> okie. You're the mod. I'm just putting that kind of stuff in the same vein as religion ^_^
[7:04] <blockh34d> its just the history of fluoride
[7:04] <shiftplusone> the nazi concentration camp thing
[7:04] <shiftplusone> that specific fact
[7:04] <blockh34d> ok
[7:05] <blockh34d> where was fluoride first used on people then?
[7:05] <AbbyTheRat> http://justice4germans.com/2013/06/09/debunking-the-myth-of-water-fluoridation-by-hitler-and-those-evil-nazis/ is this what you're thinking of, blockh34d?
[7:05] <shiftplusone> and is the problem simply that it was used or do you think it was used to make people docile?
[7:05] <blockh34d> before nazi's i have it used on two cows that died by some hick farmer
[7:05] <AbbyTheRat> you used it before Nazi? o_O;??
[7:05] <shiftplusone> AbbyTheRat, thank you.
[7:06] <shiftplusone> AbbyTheRat, I was the sort of nutter that would lecture people about fluoride. Then started to you know... actually look into it. All citations ended up leading to dead ends.
[7:06] <shiftplusone> I got the IG Farben book
[7:07] <shiftplusone> as the article says... nothing there about fluoride being used in concentration camps... certainly nothing about the motives of it either.
[7:07] <johnc-> goodness I hate debugging C++ code on my pi
[7:07] <blockh34d> https://answers.yahoo.com/question/index?qid=20111202061928AAH02qP
[7:08] <shiftplusone> oh, yahoo answers... that would be reliable.
[7:08] <AbbyTheRat> answer is deleted
[7:08] <shiftplusone> mispaste?
[7:08] <blockh34d> huh i think so didnt really even mean to past
[7:08] <blockh34d> irssi getting the best of me
[7:08] <blockh34d> the notion that fluoride treatment of water is reasonable is totally outside of reality for me
[7:09] <blockh34d> past your teeth it does what...
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[7:09] <blockh34d> builds up in your body on your pineal gland
[7:09] <shiftplusone> Its effect is topical, I'll give you that.
[7:09] <blockh34d> induces alzehemiers
[7:09] <blockh34d> no not just topical
[7:09] <blockh34d> its also used in antipsychotics
[7:09] <shiftplusone> the beneficial effects are topical I mean
[7:09] <blockh34d> to deliver the medication to specific locations in the brain
[7:10] <blockh34d> yes ubt it has other medicinal purposes
[7:10] <shiftplusone> don't make claims without academic papers to back them up though
[7:10] <blockh34d> i could say the same for the groups that claim fluoride is helpful
[7:10] <blockh34d> where did they come from
[7:10] <blockh34d> why so many, all at once, from out of nowhere
[7:11] <AbbyTheRat> https://www.metabunk.org/threads/debunked-fluoride-and-alzheimers.406/
[7:11] <blockh34d> right after ww2, over abouta 2 year span, they just appeared
[7:11] <shiftplusone> because NWO nazi zombies?
[7:11] <blockh34d> no because CIA brought back nazi tech with operation Paperclip
[7:11] <blockh34d> also brought back some nazis
[7:11] <shiftplusone> ah, I was 2 thirds right
[7:11] <blockh34d> and now they have taken over the cia probably, and also a lot of our government
[7:12] <blockh34d> with a system of blackmail to create policy
[7:12] <blockh34d> etc etc
[7:12] <blockh34d> its all very obvious imo
[7:12] <shiftplusone> again, proof... proof is number 1
[7:12] <blockh34d> top secret
[7:12] <shiftplusone> (yes project paperclip is a fact)
[7:12] <blockh34d> of course, i'm not making any of this up
[7:12] <blockh34d> you think i am because it sounds pretty nuts
[7:12] <AbbyTheRat> http://www.fluoridedebate.com/question29.html
[7:12] <blockh34d> but i'm not. reality is just pretty nuts.
[7:12] <shiftplusone> if you're not making it up, prove the links
[7:13] <shiftplusone> you jump from one statement to another
[7:13] <blockh34d> enh its very distracting from what i'm trying to do here
[7:13] <shiftplusone> without drawing links
[7:13] <blockh34d> and the process is rhetorical
[7:13] <blockh34d> if you were open to debate, you'd do your own research
[7:13] <blockh34d> you just want to shoot down mine
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[7:13] <blockh34d> lets just pretend you did and it didnt change anything
[7:13] <shiftplusone> okay, they brought back nazi tech (mostly in rocketry).... how do you get to "they control stuff now" ?
[7:13] <blockh34d> fluoride -> pineal gland -> alzhemiers
[7:13] <blockh34d> thats how it works.
[7:14] <blockh34d> blackmail
[7:14] <AbbyTheRat> I've actually gave two links already that kinda shot down two answers already x_x;
[7:14] <johnc-> so are there any cool things people are doing/planning to do with the new pi module thing?
[7:14] <AbbyTheRat> 3, sorry, shot down two points
[7:14] <blockh34d> they drug politicians at lobbyist parties
[7:14] <blockh34d> say who wants a hooker
[7:14] <shiftplusone> pause.... legitimate pi talk
[7:14] <blockh34d> newbie drugged up politicians say 'me!'
[7:14] <blockh34d> and they get one, except its a child prosititute
[7:14] <blockh34d> and they're on camera
[7:14] <johnc-> don't let me stop your weirdness, just curious :)
[7:14] <AbbyTheRat> johnc-: I'm not although I would love to if I ever get to that point
[7:14] <blockh34d> now cia owns that politican
[7:14] <blockh34d> and they will follow orders
[7:15] <blockh34d> check out franklin savings and loan scandal of late 80's
[7:15] <shiftplusone> blockh34d, assertion after assertion.
[7:15] <blockh34d> theres credit card slips from callboy services
[7:16] <blockh34d> http://www.jesus-is-savior.com/Evils%20in%20Government/washington_post.gif
[7:16] <blockh34d> took several senate inquiry panels to white wash that one away
[7:16] <blockh34d> thats child prostitutes from boystown in the whitehouse.
[7:16] <blockh34d> new topic
[7:16] <blockh34d> reality is too nuts to be family friendly.
[7:17] * AbbyTheRat blinks
[7:17] <AbbyTheRat> Anddd.. I called it!
[7:17] <shiftplusone> AbbyTheRat, Sorry, I underestimated the crazy.
[7:17] <blockh34d> ?
[7:17] <AbbyTheRat> Did I not call that, shiftplusone? I said it wasn't suitable and it landed right there!
[7:17] <shiftplusone> yes, I am sorry.
[7:18] <blockh34d> do i offend?
[7:18] <shiftplusone> nope
[7:18] <AbbyTheRat> he's not crazy, he just strongly believe in things :)
[7:18] <AbbyTheRat> I bet there's things I Believe in that's flat out wrong too
[7:18] <blockh34d> yup
[7:18] <blockh34d> probably
[7:18] <blockh34d> how can you say i'm wrong though?
[7:18] <blockh34d> how would you know?
[7:18] <shiftplusone> I didn't mean he's crazy
[7:19] <blockh34d> you WANT me to be wrong
[7:19] <blockh34d> that is not the same thing as knowing that i am
[7:19] <shiftplusone> I can say you are wrong because extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence and you have provided none.
[7:19] <AbbyTheRat> I look up research, I cross check my critations
[7:19] <blockh34d> yes because these subjects are so well documented by the offending parties
[7:19] <AbbyTheRat> I don't use either parties, I go for netural as possible
[7:19] <shiftplusone> blockh34d, I would find it more interesting if you were right. I used to believe the things you do with all my heart.
[7:20] <AbbyTheRat> those who have an open mind and do research for us
[7:20] <shiftplusone> blockh34d, I came to the conclusion that it's all nonsense by looking deeper into the claims
[7:20] <blockh34d> so prove any of it wrong please, do me that favor
[7:20] <AbbyTheRat> Hence, vacciation do NOT cause autisum
[7:20] <blockh34d> of course i would rather believe in a world where these things arent true
[7:20] <blockh34d> i never said vaccination did
[7:20] <AbbyTheRat> I proved the Nazi using floriade one
[7:20] <blockh34d> did you
[7:20] <shiftplusone> blockh34d, I can't prove something wrong if no evidence has been presented. I certainly can't do it if you jump from topic to topic
[7:20] <blockh34d> with what
[7:20] <blockh34d> internet links?
[7:21] <blockh34d> they're better than my internet links? why?
[7:21] <shiftplusone> you make 50 assertions in the time it would take me to begin addressing a single one.
[7:21] <blockh34d> all just internet links.
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[7:21] <blockh34d> did you go to that link?
[7:21] <johnc-> ya know, I have no idea what you guys are discussing
[7:21] <shiftplusone> yes
[7:21] <blockh34d> franklin savings and loan?
[7:21] <blockh34d> johnc you really dont want to
[7:21] <blockh34d> its horrible
[7:21] <blockh34d> its either real and horrible
[7:21] <blockh34d> or fake and sad
[7:21] <shiftplusone> blockh34d, okay to continue this in PM ?
[7:21] <blockh34d> sure.
[7:21] <AbbyTheRat> and leave me out of it? XD
[7:21] <shiftplusone> cheers
[7:22] <blockh34d> #nonff
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[7:23] <AbbyTheRat> hee shiftplusone
[7:24] <AbbyTheRat> johnc-: so far.. nazis, floriades, CIA andd.. drugging. Don't worry, nothing too much to worry about :)
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[7:27] <AbbyTheRat> shiftplusone, blockh34d nvm.. you have guys have your fun! Don't let it get too heated! After all, don't try to change the other person mind, just debate your point. Provide link to prove that single point. Avoid implying causation with correlation. :)
[7:27] <AbbyTheRat> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Correlation_does_not_imply_causation
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[7:28] <johnc-> alright, I'll go back to debugging my omx player api
[7:28] <shiftplusone> AbbyTheRat, I think blockh34d and I will be fine. He seems like the kind of person I am.... we like these kinds of discussions, even if they get heated.
[7:28] <shiftplusone> right, blockh34d?
[7:29] <AbbyTheRat> Google is there to help you guys find sources, for both side! Try aiming for research papers over media stories and finally...wikipedia is not a valid source. (*cough oops cough*), look at the References section for a better source
[7:30] <shiftplusone> AbbyTheRat, I've got access to lots of journal databases, I am fine >=)
[7:30] <AbbyTheRat> Yes.. no harsh words ;)
[7:30] <AbbyTheRat> I sorta have access.. hee.. I'm married to a library tech gradutate
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[7:36] <blockh34d> so jazzed my hmd has gps now
[7:36] <blockh34d> thats so awesome!
[7:36] <blockh34d> and its cheap! 40$ and little!
[7:36] <blockh34d> and 10ma?!? thats almost free, powerdraw wise
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[8:09] <blockh34d> i'm soldering onto my pi! can't wait for card format to show up, time to void that warranty
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[8:10] <blockh34d> so i think i solder positive usb5v supply lead to one end of polyfuse, and other to same side of black box under polyfuse? using connection closed to edge of board for both
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[8:10] <blockh34d> and other = and ground
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[10:09] <mezzobob> Someone her familiar with the RPi Monitor?
[10:10] <mezzobob> http://rpi-experiences.blogspot.fr/
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[10:41] <SaEeDIRHA> hey guys , i am new to Rasperry Pi, i bought model B, but the Power supply is not included , it says on manual that i have to connect it using 5v and 700-1200mA
[10:42] <SaEeDIRHA> i was wondering is it all right if i connect it to my pc using usb ? or adapter with 5v and 2000mA ?
[10:42] <SaEeDIRHA> i dont want to burn the curcit
[10:42] <shiftplusone> can't have too much current
[10:42] <shiftplusone> the pi will only draw as much as it needs.
[10:43] <shiftplusone> if a table can support 200kg, it doesn't mean that you will weight 200kg if you sit on it.... same with the power supply and the current.
[10:43] <shiftplusone> but connecting it to the PC is not a good idea
[10:44] <shiftplusone> you won't fry anything, but you're likely to run into stability issues
[10:44] <SaEeDIRHA> i have an power supply adapter with 5v and 2000mA
[10:45] <SaEeDIRHA> was wondering if it would still work and i wont fry anything
[10:45] <shiftplusone> which should be great (assuming the label is accurate)
[10:45] <SaEeDIRHA> otherwise i have to order new adapter and w8 again :(
[10:46] <SaEeDIRHA> shiftplusone, tnx
[10:47] <shiftplusone> np
[10:47] <shiftplusone> and 'night
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[11:04] <ShorTie> what needs to be done to use the uart gpio pins as normal gpio inputs ??
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[11:11] <ShorTie> is it just taking the console stuff out of cmdline.txt ??
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[11:12] <evil_dan2wik> My raspberry pi turns my router off if I plug it into LAN1
[11:12] <evil_dan2wik> Which is also labelled POE
[11:13] <ShorTie> how about a different lan port ??
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[11:14] <ShorTie> i don't think the pi is setup to use POE
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[11:14] <evil_dan2wik_> Did anything happen while I was gone?
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[11:15] <ShorTie> shiftplusone had his million dollar give away, but we all lost
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[11:22] <evil_dan2wik_> This god dam router. Default mode only allows access from the LAN1 port which is also a POE port that doesn't follow specifications.
[11:23] <evil_dan2wik_> When I plug my computer or Pi in, the router shorts out and turns off.
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[11:23] <ShorTie> there are no specifications for POE i believe
[11:24] <evil_dan2wik_> there are.
[11:24] <evil_dan2wik_> I talked to ##networking
[11:25] <mfa298> if the router is providing true PoE it's supposed to do some checks before providing the full power down the PoE port.
[11:25] <evil_dan2wik_> no.
[11:25] * mfa298 has been reading about PoE for some ideas to go with the compute module.
[11:26] <evil_dan2wik_> The router isn't suppost to provide POE, it is the port for receiving it.
[11:26] <ShorTie> networks only use 4 of the 8 wires of the cat cable, the other 4 are up for grabs
[11:26] * evil_dan2wik_ is now known as evil_dan2wik
[11:27] <evil_dan2wik> so, I just sever the other 4?
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[11:27] <mfa298> ShorTie: that's only true for 10-BaseT and 100Base-TX (the main standard for 100MBit). 1G and 10G use all four pairs
[11:27] <gordonDrogon> ShorTie, /boot/cmdline.txt and /etc/inittab (stop getty on ttyAMA0)
[11:28] <gordonDrogon> PoE is well defined.
[11:28] <gordonDrogon> The issue is that there are several definition.
[11:28] <mfa298> evil_dan2wik: if the router can act as a powered device then it shouldn't be shorting itself out if connected to the Pi. If it's doing that it sounds like it might be faulty so maybe you should see if it can be fixed.
[11:29] <ShorTie> Thankz gordonDrogon
[11:29] <gordonDrogon> PoE can work in 2 ways - passive - which uses the unused pairs on 10/100 ethernet and the other way which superimposes 48v on the data lines.
[11:29] <mfa298> alternatively you could try making up a special ethernet cable with only the pairs required for 10/100 connected.
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[11:30] <gordonDrogon> mfa298, that would only work for passive PoE - which should never appear in consumer applianced.
[11:30] <ShorTie> ^ that most likely best idea ^
[11:30] <gordonDrogon> as there is no standard for that - so no standard voltage.
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[11:31] <gordonDrogon> IEEE 802.3af is the standard for "proper" PoE which is what a device should use if it advertises PoE.
[11:31] <mfa298> from my reading of the standards the powered device is supposed to accept either type of PoE - it's up to the device providing power to decide which method to use.
[11:31] <gordonDrogon> If you plug a passive PoE line into a Pi that's providing (say) 18v then the Pi will eventually catch fire.
[11:31] <gordonDrogon> My very first Pi almost did...
[11:32] <evil_dan2wik> well, my pi shorted the router out.
[11:32] <gordonDrogon> Do not ever use passive PoE on devices that are not expecting it.
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[11:32] <ShorTie> evil_dan2wik, you got a model # for that router ??
[11:32] <gordonDrogon> evil_dan2wik, you have a router with a "sub optimal" PoE supply.
[11:32] <gordonDrogon> The PoE is supposed to "sense" the remote device and only turn power on if it detects the right thing at the far-end.
[11:32] <evil_dan2wik> Oh no, It isn't being powered by POE, it has a plug pack and round plug thing.
[11:33] <evil_dan2wik> POE is optional.
[11:33] <evil_dan2wik> Air3G (AirLive)
[11:33] <gordonDrogon> Installing/building devices which use PoE was part of my day-job a while back.
[11:34] <gordonDrogon> it's great when it works, but ...
[11:34] <gordonDrogon> I've seen some rather "interesting" stuff out there.
[11:34] <evil_dan2wik> Looking at the traces, the POE port is connected directly to the 12V input jack...
[11:35] <gordonDrogon> so its providing passive PoE down the usused wires - that's really bad, but it might be designed to work with other kit from the same manufacturer.
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[11:35] <mfa298> from memory 802.3af provides two methods of providing PoE one using the data pairs and one using the potentially unused pairs - although there have also been a lot of manufacturer standards which generally use the unused pairs (I think Cisco have three different PoE solutions)
[11:35] <gordonDrogon> The Pi has input coils on all 4 pairs in the Ethernet socket - its those which get hot when you send passive PoE down the wires - I nearly burnt myself on my Pi the first time I plugged it in - I picked a wire from my workbench that had 18v on it.
[11:36] <evil_dan2wik> Yes, my pi is getting a little hot.
[11:36] <gordonDrogon> it's possible your pi has burnt out the coils and is providing a short to the router/psu.
[11:36] <gordonDrogon> The Pi will be Ok - just the Ethernet socket.
[11:37] <gordonDrogon> it's something that you think should have gotten right years ago, but like mfa298 says - there are just too many variants - and yes, Cisco is the worst )-:
[11:38] <mfa298> if the router has the power jack connected directly to the ethernet socket it's definetly not running to spec - potentially something you can use if you want to return it (UK that would fall under not being fit for purpose)
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[11:40] <ShorTie> 'there are just too many variants' that is why i said 'there are no specifications for POE'
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[12:02] * blockh34d solders power directly to the polyfuse and d17
[12:03] <blockh34d> got the rca plug kind of eliminated too, soldered a 2 pin jumper/pin combo to connect the camera with from now
[12:04] <blockh34d> and i think i got a nice out of the way corner for the gps
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[12:05] <ShorTie> d17, i normally just use the usb shield for the ground
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[12:32] <blockh34d> oh that would have been way easier
[12:32] <blockh34d> d17 was a pita
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[12:33] <blockh34d> because o fhow i had my wire arranged and that i had already soldered the polyfuse connection
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[12:36] <blockh34d> my project looks much less cluttered now though
[12:36] <blockh34d> those rca plugs were really stupid looking http://s13.postimg.org/kvykdw2dz/IMG_2521.jpg
[12:37] <blockh34d> the usb power plugs were equally stupid looking, maybe even more
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[13:02] <LinuxMe> how do i install libary fuse on PI ?
[13:02] <linuxstb> What OS are you using? Raspbian?
[13:03] <LinuxMe> Pidora
[13:04] * linuxstb has no idea then
[13:04] <linuxstb> What are you trying to do though? The fuse library isn't any use by itself.
[13:04] <LinuxMe> i need it for truecrypt
[13:04] <LinuxMe> complye
[13:05] <LinuxMe> *compile
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[13:05] <LinuxMe> y
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[13:12] <linuxstb> LinuxMe: If I was you I would just google for truecrypt instructions for pidora, or if you can't find any, for normal Fedora.
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[13:20] <Davespice> anyone here have Oracle experience, or specifically Oracle Apex (application express) ?
[13:22] <SKyd3R> not really, I used PL/SQL if you have problems with that
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[13:30] <LinuxMe> can g++ be installed on PI ?
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[13:30] <gordonDrogon> LinuxMe, g++ is already installed on the Pi (Raspbian, anyway)
[13:30] <LinuxMe> Pidora
[13:30] <LinuxMe> here
[13:30] <gordonDrogon> Ah, your the Pidora user then.
[13:31] <LinuxMe> got any clues ?
[13:31] <LinuxMe> can it be installed
[13:31] <Davespice> SKyd3R: I'm doing some stuff with RESTful services and trying to make it authenticate a post request against the apex authentication scheme
[13:31] <LinuxMe> No package g++ available.
[13:31] <LinuxMe> Error: Nothing to do
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[13:32] <gordonDrogon> LinuxMe, switch to Raspbian.
[13:32] <gordonDrogon> although if you have gcc, you probably have g++ too.
[13:33] <LinuxMe> -bash-4.2# make
[13:33] <LinuxMe> Compiling Buffer.cpp
[13:33] <LinuxMe> make[1]: g++: Command not found
[13:33] <LinuxMe> make[1]: *** [Buffer.o] Error 127
[13:33] <LinuxMe> make: *** [all] Error 2
[13:34] <gordonDrogon> just use raspbian.
[13:34] <LinuxMe> too late
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[13:41] <gordonDrogon> Good luck with pidora then.
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[13:42] <SKyd3R> sorry Davespice that's something I didn't ever try
[13:42] <Davespice> SKyd3R: no probs :)
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[13:46] <miceiken> What is considered best nowadays? OpenElec vs Raspbmc vs XBian
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[13:51] <CDR`> I still prefer OpenElec
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[13:56] <miceiken> CDR`, due to what? performance?
[13:56] <CDR`> When I tried Raspbmc or something years ago, it lagged, OpenElec didn't
[13:56] <CDR`> So I stuck [because i'm a simple man]
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[13:57] <CDR`> Others report OpenElec lags and Raspbmc doesn't - I dont think there's a clear answer to your question
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[13:58] <sraue> "Development of OpenELEC is in close connection with Team XBMC and general support for it is great. They not only offer it for regular hardware, but also for the immensely popular Raspberry-Pi." <--- found here: http://xbmc.org/the-end-of-windows-xp/ maybe thats a argument too?
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[13:59] <sraue> ;-)
[13:59] <miceiken> sure, I can agree with that
[13:59] <miceiken> did just read a test where XBian came out fastest though
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[14:00] <CDR`> Its fast enough for me, and thats running off an SD Card - others say its faster running from USB Stick.
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[14:04] <ShorTie> i see the new Raspberry Pi Compute Module Development Kit has 2 DSI Display Connectors, but my question is how is the development on a display coming along ??
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[14:11] <ioudas> hey all, for some reason my raspberry pi's will randomly lock up and require a power reset to boot. sometimes when the network wifi drops it will occour, if i drop the network adapter by removal of the adapter or just randomly. I have pi on its own 1a power source. etc. doesnt seem to help
[14:12] <ShorTie> that 1a also powering the wifi ??
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[14:14] <ShorTie> wifi can draw alot of power at times and cause peoblems if not pluged into a good usb powered hub
[14:15] <ShorTie> what your discribing sounds like power brown out because of the wifi, imho
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[14:24] <ioudas> i have a powered hub 2a and a 1a charger for the pi.
[14:24] <ioudas> all devices are connected to powered hub
[14:25] <ioudas> powered hub connects to the pi
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[15:08] <evil_dan2wik> How do I find the IP address of my raspberry pi?
[15:09] <evil_dan2wik> It isn't appearing in my router home page.
[15:09] <IT_Sean> run ifconfig in the terminal
[15:09] <evil_dan2wik> I can't
[15:10] <evil_dan2wik> The only way I have access is through ssh
[15:10] <IT_Sean> Though, if it's not showing up on your router, it sounds like the raspi isn't connected.
[15:10] <linuxstb> evil_dan2wik: If it's not in your router, are you sure it's got one?
[15:10] <evil_dan2wik> I do not know.
[15:10] <linuxstb> You could scan your network using something like nmap.
[15:11] <evil_dan2wik> on windows?
[15:12] <linuxstb> Seems so, yes - http://nmap.org/book/inst-windows.html
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[15:14] <linuxstb> But it sounds like you should check the basics first - is the cable inserted OK etc. Check the LEDs against http://elinux.org/R-Pi_Troubleshooting to make sure it's booted OK.
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[15:14] <evil_dan2wik> The pi is operating, and the LNK light blinks around 3 times per second
[15:15] <evil_dan2wik> I know the pi works.
[15:15] <IT_Sean> sounds like it's not connected
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[15:16] <evil_dan2wik> I tried multiple cables, multiple router ports, but it works fine on the old router.
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[15:20] <evil_dan2wik> I can see the different lights on the router syncing with the other lights including the light for the port the Pi is on.
[15:21] <IT_Sean> Does your router have an "Attached Devices" page?
[15:22] <evil_dan2wik> Yes, But I don't think it is showing up.
[15:23] <evil_dan2wik> There is 1 device here that I don't recognise though.
[15:23] <miceiken> evil_dan2wik, I use a program called netscan.exe to find local ips
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[15:23] <evil_dan2wik> Every time I refresh the page, it changes IP but the MAC is the same.
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[15:24] <evil_dan2wik> It matches the MAC of the Pi.
[15:24] <evil_dan2wik> Why is it jumping IPs so much?
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[15:24] <popassy> i recently came across the PiRadio image. is there a package which i can install on my current OS?
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[15:29] <evil_dan2wik> Good night.
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[16:13] <tobiasBora> Hello,
[16:13] <tobiasBora> I've a strange error when I start my rpi
[16:14] <tobiasBora> Mounting local filesystems...mount: mount point /boot does not exist. failed
[16:14] <tobiasBora> I tried to mount /boot with "sudo mount /boot/" ==> mount: can't find /boot/ in /etc/fstab or /etc/mtab
[16:14] <tobiasBora> But in my /etc/fstab I have the line
[16:14] <tobiasBora> /dev/mmcblk0p1 /boot vfat defaults 0 2
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[16:19] <darkavenger> does /dev/mmcblk0p1 exist?
[16:20] <linuxstb> Do you actually have a space at the start of that line, or did you just add that in your paste?
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[16:30] <tobiasBora> I'm sorry I had connection problems.
[16:31] <tobiasBora> So the space is only in my paste (because with no space it is understood has an irc command)
[16:32] <tobiasBora> The partition is present in my sdcard
[16:32] <tobiasBora> After I don't know if it could be the origin of the problem but I had a strange error (something like http://www.raspberrypi.org/forums/viewtopic.php?f=91&t=18242)
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[16:33] <tobiasBora> and I ran sudo fsck /dev/mmcblk0p2 to fix some errors.
[16:33] <tobiasBora> Could it be the same problem with blkop1 ?
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[16:37] <[SLB]> should also do a fsck -fC on the first partition
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[16:47] <tobiasBora> [SLB]: What does -fC do ?
[16:48] <IT_Sean> tobiasBora: read the man page. run: man fsck
[16:48] <tobiasBora> I ran sudo fsck /dev/mmcblk0p1 but I get the error "fsck.vfat: not found"
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[16:51] <tobiasBora> IT_Sean: The option -f doesn't appear in the man page, only the -C one
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[16:52] <IT_Sean> huh.
[16:52] <[SLB]> true, it's in the help
[16:53] <[SLB]> -f Force checking even if filesystem is marked clean
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[16:54] <tobiasBora> Ok. But should I install fsck.vfat to run it on the first partition ? (at least is it possible?)
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[16:59] <tobiasBora> Oh I can't beleave that... I just do "sudo mkdir /boot/", and I don't have any problem now...
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[17:06] <ioudas> interesting, i remove my wifi card on my pi and the whole pi locks up
[17:06] <ioudas> entirely
[17:09] <IT_Sean> hotplugging USB is a bit "meh" on the raspi
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[17:33] <Davespice> yeah it can cause the power level to drop below the 4.something threshold and cause the pi to reboot, is that what you're seeing?
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[17:46] <gordonDrogon> tobiasBora, to get that to work, sudo apt-get install dosfstools
[17:46] <tobiasBora> gordonDrogon: Ok thank you.
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[18:00] <adamantbanana> How would I best configure my Pi for running a 24/7 IRC server? (memory split, overclocking, etc.?)
[18:01] <gordonDrogon> adamantbanana, anything not using the GPU only needs a 16MB GPU split.
[18:01] <adamantbanana> I am also using TightVNC though, how much GPU would that require?
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[18:03] <gordonDrogon> adamantbanana, none.
[18:03] <gordonDrogon> (other than the minimum needed to make the system run)
[18:04] <adamantbanana> I see
[18:04] <adamantbanana> And what about overclocking? I built myself a cardboard case so I wouldn't want it to run too hot or anything, esp. since it'll be running 24/7
[18:04] <gordonDrogon> rosapoP, you might find that it's actually rounded up to 16MB though...
[18:05] <gordonDrogon> adamantbanana, it has thermal throttling. the main issue is a reliable PSU.
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[18:06] <adamantbanana> It's being powered by a powered USB hub
[18:06] <adamantbanana> which is plugged straight into the wall socket (kinda)
[18:06] <rosapoP> gordonDrogon: it worked typing it in. it does not matter as it's only run as a server
[18:06] <adamantbanana> wait I'll take a picture
[18:06] <gordonDrogon> adamantbanana, no need - I've seen plenty Pi's :)
[18:08] <adamantbanana> would you judge the power supply reliable enough based on my description?
[18:08] <nid0> also: being powered by a usb hub doesnt mean reliable
[18:08] <nid0> if the hub was less than £15, its probably not
[18:08] <adamantbanana> nid0: does it mean unreliable though?
[18:08] <adamantbanana> I bought one based on the 'verified peripherals' list on the rpi wiki
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[19:00] <adamantbanana> Should I overclock my raspberry pi if I'm running a 24/7 IRC server with maximum reliability in mind?
[19:01] <IT_Sean> probably nt necessary...
[19:01] <IT_Sean> how many simultanious users you planning on?
[19:01] <adamantbanana> not many at all
[19:01] <adamantbanana> probably between 10-200 ish
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[19:05] <adamantbanana> btw how can i tell what the current memory split is?
[19:05] <adamantbanana> (running raspbian wheezy, installed with noobs)
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[19:09] <darkavenger> adamantbanana
[19:09] <darkavenger> run raspi-config
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[19:10] <adamantbanana> and then?
[19:10] <darkavenger> it has the option to show memory split
[19:10] <darkavenger> and change it if you want
[19:11] <adamantbanana> I can go to advanced options -> Memory Split but that only allows me to change it
[19:11] <darkavenger> http://cdn.geekmonkey.org/assets/files/000/000/026/screen/raspi-config01.png?1356779714
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[19:11] <adamantbanana> I don't see anywhere where I might see the current memory split status
[19:11] <darkavenger> the value shown are your actual memory split
[19:11] <adamantbanana> oh
[19:11] <adamantbanana> http://puu.sh/84EKh.png
[19:12] <adamantbanana> so 16 MB is my current GPU memory
[19:12] <darkavenger> cool
[19:12] <gordonDrogon> fgrep -i gpu /boot/config.txt
[19:12] <darkavenger> yep
[19:12] <gordonDrogon> will tell you the boot value.
[19:12] <adamantbanana> the total RAM on model B was 512MB right?
[19:12] <darkavenger> depends on the rev
[19:12] <darkavenger> rev1 has 256mb
[19:13] <adamantbanana> Well I bought it about 2 weeks ago
[19:13] <adamantbanana> how do I check the rev?
[19:13] <darkavenger> there are images on google
[19:13] <darkavenger> rev2 has 2 screw holes
[19:13] <darkavenger> 99.99% its rev2
[19:14] <IT_Sean> Does it have mounting holes?
[19:14] <adamantbanana> it does
[19:15] <adamantbanana> so does that mean that 512-16=496MB is now dedicated to the CPU?
[19:15] <darkavenger> the opposite
[19:15] <darkavenger> 16gpu 496ram
[19:15] <darkavenger> oh my bad
[19:15] <adamantbanana> :)
[19:16] <darkavenger> so raspi-config also show the actual split, right?
[19:16] <adamantbanana> no, raspi-config just asks how much memory the GPU should have
[19:16] <darkavenger> yes...
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[19:16] <darkavenger> it's the split
[19:16] <adamantbanana> presumably the rest is RAM
[19:16] <adamantbanana> oh yeah i suppose so
[19:17] <darkavenger> raspi-config, i suppose, reads from the /boot/config.txt files
[19:17] <darkavenger> i use it also to check the split, but yes you can make and alias to cat config.txt
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[19:18] <adamantbanana> gordonDrogon's command confirms that gpu_mem=16 for me
[19:18] <darkavenger> yep
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[19:19] <darkavenger> it's the same thing... raspi-config reads/write from/to config.txt
[19:19] <adamantbanana> i see,
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[19:19] <nNa> What is the cmdline.txte file on the first partition?
[19:20] <darkavenger> i usually run a moderate overclock without any problem on the rasp
[19:20] <adamantbanana> overclock is probably not necessary in my case
[19:20] <adamantbanana> <200 IRC users on my server at any given time
[19:20] <darkavenger> yes probably
[19:21] <adamantbanana> and
[19:21] <darkavenger> but moderate overclock it's safe if you want to try it
[19:21] <adamantbanana> http://www.inspircd.org/wiki/FAQ.html
[19:21] <adamantbanana> '3000-4000 connected clients [...] 70MB of RAM use'
[19:21] <adamantbanana> wonderful :)
[19:21] <darkavenger> lol
[19:21] <darkavenger> great
[19:21] <darkavenger> what kind of irc server are you planning to run, if i can ask
[19:22] <adamantbanana> I'm already running it
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[19:22] <adamantbanana> it's an unofficial chat server for the loverslab community (be warned, nsfw)
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[19:23] <Serus> Hi
[19:23] <gordonDrogon> be aware that this is a very family friendly channel.
[19:23] <darkavenger> col
[19:23] <darkavenger> cool*
[19:23] <adamantbanana> gordon: which is why I did not direct link :)
[19:23] <Serus> I'm running wheezy, what's the easiest way to update openssl
[19:23] <Serus> compile it myself?
[19:23] <darkavenger> apt-get update && apt-get upgrade
[19:23] <adamantbanana> apt-get upgrade
[19:23] <Serus> do another update?
[19:24] <Serus> it's out now?
[19:24] <adamantbanana> yeah, it's already out
[19:24] <Serus> since I'm on openssl 1.0.1e
[19:24] <Serus> which is still vurnerable right?
[19:24] <johnc-> I don't think anybody is hacking your pi :P
[19:24] <adamantbanana> http://raspberrypi.stackexchange.com/questions/15058/how-do-i-update-openssl-on-raspbian
[19:25] <adamantbanana> "As of 09/04/2014 the main wheezy repository uses the patched version 1.0.1e-2+deb7u5"
[19:25] <gordonDrogon> it's more an issue if you're running a webserver with a ssl certificate.
[19:25] <gordonDrogon> ie. providing https: services to others.
[19:25] <johnc-> yup, I had to revoke and remake all the certs on my servers :/
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[19:26] <darkavenger> the leak is open since 2012 btw
[19:26] <Serus> gordonDrogon: does it also apply to ssh keys?
[19:26] <darkavenger> what a mess
[19:27] <adamantbanana> how do I run an iptables command on boot?
[19:27] <adamantbanana> well, when it loads the desktop is cool too
[19:27] <johnc-> rc-update add iptables default ?
[19:28] <darkavenger> put the command in /etc/rc.local
[19:28] <gordonDrogon> Serus, not directly - as I'm aware, but if you ssh'd to a compromised host, then it's possible those keys may have been snarfed.
[19:28] <darkavenger> http://superuser.com/questions/739349/does-heartbleed-affect-ssh-keys
[19:28] <chithead> or post-up in /etc/network/interfaces
[19:28] <johnc-> oh default pi doesn't have rc-update does it
[19:28] <darkavenger> i think is update-rc
[19:28] <darkavenger> or am i wrong?
[19:29] <adamantbanana> I'm currently loading InspIRCd and KiwiIRC using this method: https://learn.adafruit.com/adafruit-raspberry-pi-lesson-7-remote-control-with-vnc/running-vncserver-at-startup
[19:29] <adamantbanana> is there a better way? preferably as soon after boot/everything's loaded as possible?
[19:30] <johnc-> gordonDrogon: ssh isn't effected, the exploit allowed an attacker to get a glob of memory from your webserver process (or other process using OpenSSL)
[19:30] <darkavenger> i think that loaded at last, on the user runlevel
[19:30] <johnc-> you should run it after the network is available
[19:31] <darkavenger> if you want more control you can put the script in the /etc/rc.$runlevelnumberyouchoose
[19:31] <johnc-> update-rc.d iptables enable
[19:31] <darkavenger> i think its the same btw
[19:31] <johnc-> ^^ that should do it
[19:31] <johnc-> as long as iptables has an init script
[19:31] <johnc-> (it should)
[19:31] <darkavenger> mmh... by default iptables is loaded with ACCEPT rules
[19:32] <ShorTie> your vncserver address you are putting the :1 to get to right port
[19:32] <Serus> Do I need to reboot after updating ssl?
[19:32] <johnc-> no
[19:32] <johnc-> just restart any processes that use it
[19:32] <Serus> so, ssh, rtorrent and irssi?
[19:32] <Serus> might as well reboot then :P
[19:32] <johnc-> ssh doesn't use ssl
[19:32] <johnc-> it uses SSH
[19:32] <ShorTie> doesn't hurt to rebbot
[19:32] <nid0> (rebooting is easier though if you use various different openssl services and arent sure about them all)
[19:33] <Serus> brb rebooting
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[19:34] <johnc-> ffmpeg, oh how I hate thee
[19:34] <adamantbanana> so using the update-rc method I could run this command after the network is available automatically?: "sudo iptables -A PREROUTING -t nat -i wlan0 -p tcp --dport 80 -j REDIRECT --to-port 7778"
[19:34] <johnc-> you should save your rules
[19:34] <johnc-> so they are reestablished when iptables starts
[19:35] <adamantbanana> I'm sorry, I'm not following (only had my Pi for <2 weeks, first non-windows OS)
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[19:36] <johnc-> iptables isn't a blank slate when it starts, you can install rules and save them so that when iptables starts upon reboot it loads it's previous configuration
[19:36] <adamantbanana> oh i see
[19:36] <adamantbanana> how does one save a rule?
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[19:37] <johnc-> I don't really know, hehe, I don't use debian on machines I actually firewall
[19:37] <darkavenger> you sure johnc-? usually i have to the run a iptable-restore
[19:37] <pksato> iptables nao save rules.
[19:37] <pksato> have some toos that to it.
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[19:38] <johnc-> darkavenger: my centos servers don't have to fuss around so much with save/restore
[19:38] <pksato> iptables-save and iptables-restore
[19:38] <darkavenger> centos
[19:38] <darkavenger> this is raspbian right?
[19:38] <adamantbanana> yeah this is raspbian
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[19:38] <johnc-> aye, so debian
[19:38] <johnc-> which I don't use on any machine I feel a need to firewall
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[19:39] <darkavenger> adamantbanana you can but the rules and the ircd command in the rc.local file and they will be runned at the order they are read
[19:39] <adamantbanana> I could actually add this to my router using its virtual server settings
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[19:39] <darkavenger> put*
[19:39] <johnc-> the init.d script should support saving/restoring though
[19:39] <adamantbanana> But I guess I'd prefer not to rely on that too much
[19:39] <darkavenger> its the same than the autostart dir the home
[19:40] * darkavenger iptable-restore < rule.txt
[19:40] <johnc-> on centos you'd issue: service iptables save
[19:40] <johnc-> and the init script handles restoration on start
[19:40] <adamantbanana> where is the rc.local file located?
[19:40] <johnc-> worth a try here, if it doesn't work you might have to restore manually :/
[19:41] <darkavenger> /etc/rc.local
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[19:41] <darkavenger> johnc- on raspbian you have to restore the rules manually
[19:41] <darkavenger> even on ubuntu its like this
[19:41] <darkavenger> and on suse
[19:42] <darkavenger> maybe just centos save it automatically
[19:42] <darkavenger> which is not even so difficult, you could do it by editing the /etc/init.d/iptables file
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[19:43] <adamantbanana> do programs in rc.local run as root?
[19:43] <darkavenger> i think so
[19:43] <adamantbanana> because I need to run InspIRCd and KiwiIRC as pi
[19:43] <johnc-> darkavenger: that's disappointing really, you'd think it'd be made easier by now
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[19:44] <johnc-> adamantbanana: you can use sudo to run as any user on the system :)
[19:44] <adamantbanana> oh really?
[19:44] <adamantbanana> how? :D
[19:44] <darkavenger> su pi -c command
[19:44] <johnc-> man sudo
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[19:45] <johnc-> darkavenger: su changes the user for the current session
[19:45] <Serus> Just saying thanks for being bros
[19:45] <Serus> cya!
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[19:46] <darkavenger> with - c i suppose it just run the command
[19:46] <johnc-> but we have sudo :P
[19:46] <darkavenger> there is also runuser -l user -c command
[19:47] <darkavenger> have to work, see you later
[19:47] <adamantbanana> thx darkavenger, see you later
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[19:48] <adamantbanana> using sudo to run as pi doesn't require a password when run from root user right?
[19:48] <darkavenger> yes, no password for root
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[19:49] <andrewprojdent> hey guys. trying to get setup for the first time, maybe you could help me?
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[19:50] <CDR`> andrewprojdent what do you need help with?
[19:50] <darkavenger> johnc- su doesn't change current session user with -c option
[19:50] <johnc-> but we have sudo
[19:50] <andrewprojdent> so i have plugged in all of the things - usb mouse and keyboard, SD card with Raspbian OS, power cable, and HDMI into my TV
[19:50] <darkavenger> then?
[19:50] <darkavenger> whats the point?
[19:51] <darkavenger> we also have runuser
[19:51] <andrewprojdent> so the red light has appeared on the Raspberry PI, but the tv displays source not found
[19:51] <andrewprojdent> or rather, 'no video available'*
[19:51] <johnc-> you should have than a redlight when you've booted up
[19:51] <adamantbanana> so I gather the sudo command would be "sudo -u pi [command]"?
[19:51] <CDR`> You only see a red light, no yellow/green?
[19:51] <andrewprojdent> correct
[19:52] <andrewprojdent> i plugged it in, a red light appeared, nothing more since then
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[19:52] <CDR`> Try it again without the USB devices, just the HDMI
[19:52] <pksato> adamantbanana: how you do to transfer image file to sd card?
[19:52] <andrewprojdent> ok, 1sec
[19:53] <adamantbanana> pksato, I'm not sure; I used NOOBS
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[19:53] <darkavenger> adamantbanana: su - user -c command
[19:54] <darkavenger> http://www.cyberciti.biz/open-source/command-line-hacks/linux-run-command-as-different-user/
[19:54] <andrewprojdent> should i leave the SD card in?
[19:54] <CDR`> Always andrewprojdent
[19:54] <adamantbanana> pksato: http://elinux.org/RPi_Easy_SD_Card_Setup#Using_NOOBS
[19:54] <CDR`> and have it in before you power up
[19:54] <darkavenger> andrewprojdent has the rasp ever booted correctly or its you first try?
[19:55] <CDR`> first try it seems, darkavenger
[19:55] <darkavenger> ok
[19:55] <andrewprojdent> first try
[19:55] <darkavenger> once my pi stopped booting for no apparent reason, the problem was the corrupted sd card
[19:55] <pksato> sorry, adamantbanana I miss the nick. The ask is for andrewprojdent .
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[19:56] <andrewprojdent> i bought it at Maplin (a uk company i think)
[19:56] <andrewprojdent> it came in a starter kit
[19:56] <andrewprojdent> so plugged in now with just power and tv and sd card.. getting a red light and that's it
[19:57] <pksato> andrewprojdent: how you do to transfer image file to sd card?
[19:57] <CDR`> did the power supply come with the starter pack too, or did you buy that seperate?
[19:57] <andrewprojdent> came with it
[19:57] <andrewprojdent> everything i'm using came with it
[19:57] <CDR`> pksato I think it came bundled in the starter pack pre-installed, a-la-noobs
[19:57] <andrewprojdent> (other than my tv)
[19:57] <pksato> some times, pre-load SD card not works.
[19:58] <darkavenger> adamantbanana, its working?
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[19:59] <CDR`> andrewprojdent maybe this helps - http://www.raspberrypi.org/forums/viewtopic.php?t=8226
[19:59] <pksato> andrewprojdent: put sd card on "big" computer and see what have on it.
[19:59] <CDR`> Although it seems SD card is a common culprit
[19:59] <CDR`> Do you have a spare 2gb+ SD Card handy to test?
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[20:02] <andrewprojdent> nope
[20:02] <andrewprojdent> let me check out the link
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[20:02] <adamantbanana> I'm about to test it darkavenger
[20:02] <darkavenger> paste it on pastebin
[20:03] <darkavenger> before trying
[20:03] <darkavenger> did you insert the line exit 0 ?
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[20:04] * rosapoP has run her rpi web server on the cheapest chinese memorycard money can buy for over a year no errors yet
[20:05] <andrewprojdent> ok, everyone on that thread says something different, half of which i don't understand
[20:05] <johnc-> never reboot and it's all in memory :P
[20:06] <darkavenger> rosapoP try to hotunplug the power :P
[20:06] <darkavenger> even my expensive sd get corrupted by that
[20:06] <rosapoP> darkavenger: have done it a few times
[20:06] <darkavenger> woah
[20:07] <darkavenger> i used to hotunplug for a month or so and then the sd got corrupted
[20:07] <andrewprojdent> my laptop has a SDXC card slot, is that the same thing as an SD card slot?
[20:07] <darkavenger> i think so andrewprojdent
[20:07] <andrewprojdent> how do i safely unplug it?
[20:07] <darkavenger> you should be able to unplug it lika a normale usb pen
[20:08] <darkavenger> win or linux?
[20:08] <rosapoP> it's also on a dedicated 100/100 internet connection serving a picture of my cat
[20:08] <andrewprojdent> but with a usb pen i press "eject" on my computer first :)
[20:08] <andrewprojdent> no, sorry. how do i unplug from the board
[20:08] <darkavenger> remove power and unplug it... no wat
[20:08] <darkavenger> way*
[20:08] <andrewprojdent> i shouldn't do that?
[20:09] <darkavenger> if you can't halt the os
[20:09] <IT_Sean> to remove the SD card from the Pi?
[20:09] <IT_Sean> halt the OS, then pull out the card
[20:09] <darkavenger> he can't boot
[20:09] <andrewprojdent> i want to remove the SD card from the Pi. i can't get my Pi to boot.
[20:09] <darkavenger> it's already halted
[20:09] <andrewprojdent> do i unplug the power?
[20:09] <IT_Sean> power off the pi, and pull the card out
[20:09] <andrewprojdent> ok, doing that
[20:10] <rosapoP> my pi server http://en.liten.glass/
[20:10] <andrewprojdent> ah!!
[20:10] <andrewprojdent> i mustn't have put the SD card in far enough
[20:11] <darkavenger> let's run a stress test on that site :P
[20:11] <IT_Sean> darkavenger: already doing so
[20:11] <andrewprojdent> i didn't want to break it so didn't force it. i tried again, and now it's all working :) thanks guys
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[20:11] <IT_Sean> andrewprojdent: it helps if you actually plug it in
[20:11] <andrewprojdent> it's a good job you don't know my job :P
[20:11] <rosapoP> darkavenger: go ahead prebission to ddos or otherwise granted
[20:11] <rosapoP> *premission
[20:12] <andrewprojdent> "Information about this tool".. i think it means me
[20:12] <darkavenger> lol
[20:12] <darkavenger> sure?
[20:12] <andrewprojdent> alright, thanks everyone
[20:12] <darkavenger> you're welcome andrewprojdent
[20:12] <adamantbanana> I just rebooted my pi and now neither SSH or TightVNC will connect
[20:12] <adamantbanana> wat do
[20:13] <IT_Sean> "wat do" ? Really... is "what do i do?" that hard to type?
[20:14] <darkavenger> adamantbanana pastebin the rc.local
[20:14] <rosapoP> darkavenger: end of page says yeah sure
[20:15] <pksato> apt-cache show iptables-persistent
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[20:16] <darkavenger> i have to reboot the bouncer
[20:16] <darkavenger> adamantbanana did you put a line at the bottom of the rc.local that says "exit 0" ?
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[20:22] <adamantbanana> sean: it was actually a reference to the meme "Walk in. See this. Wat do?"
[20:22] <blockh34d> morning
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[20:31] <adamantbanana> I'm getting a connection timeout when I try to connect through SSH with putty
[20:31] <adamantbanana> I've got a monitor + keyboard plugged in and using 'ps -u pi' I can see that ssh-agent is running
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[20:32] <adamantbanana> Xtightvnc is also running, but I cannot connect with TightVNC either
[20:32] <blockh34d> can you ping the machine?
[20:32] <ShorTie> and you have the right ip address per ifconfig
[20:33] <adamantbanana> When i ping with cmd in windows I get "Destination host unreachable"
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[20:35] <darkavenger> adamantbanana how you doing?
[20:35] <darkavenger> i had to reboot the bouncer
[20:35] <andrewprojdent> so 2 possibilities right now. either the usb port has broken (neither device works) or raspberry pi has crashed
[20:36] <andrewprojdent> but mouse isn't displayinglaser light anymore
[20:36] <blockh34d> what kind of power supply are you using?
[20:36] <blockh34d> good enough or no?
[20:37] <andrewprojdent> me? power supply is one that came in the box of Maplin's starter kit
[20:37] <blockh34d> probably ok then
[20:37] <andrewprojdent> ok, i rebooted, and the elements on the screen changed, but my mouse and keyboard aren't powered on
[20:37] <adamantbanana> oh i see
[20:38] <andrewprojdent> so i'm gonna guess the USB thing is broken?
[20:38] <adamantbanana> my bad guys, I forgot to put 'exit 0' on the last line of rc.local when I modified it
[20:38] <adamantbanana> SSH works now
[20:39] <rosapoP> andrewprojdent: do you get video output?
[20:39] <andrewprojdent> yes
[20:40] <andrewprojdent> mouse works on my computer
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[20:40] <adamantbanana> btw how do you pastebin something in raspbian from the terminal?
[20:40] <andrewprojdent> but i plug it into raspberry pi, nothing. getting video output.
[20:40] <rosapoP> but no usb on the pi?
[20:40] <andrewprojdent> usb doesn't seem to work on the pi, no
[20:41] <rosapoP> you got a powerd usb hub in the kit?
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[20:41] <andrewprojdent> yes
[20:42] <andrewprojdent> plugging things into the usb hub also doesn't work
[20:42] <blockh34d> does a usb keyboards capslock key come one?
[20:42] <blockh34d> come on?
[20:42] <rosapoP> it sounds like the mouse/keyboard is taking too much power
[20:42] <blockh34d> yes i think the power supply sounds dodgey
[20:42] <blockh34d> or maybe a bad cable
[20:43] <blockh34d> is the cable from power supply to PI old/frayed/very thin?
[20:43] <andrewprojdent> nope, the lights don't come on on keyboard
[20:43] <rosapoP> andrewprojdent: try turning it on with only keyboard attatched.
[20:43] <rosapoP> no mouse
[20:43] <andrewprojdent> so turn the raspberry pi off first?
[20:44] <rosapoP> yes
[20:44] <andrewprojdent> i have to unplug at the wall, but ok
[20:44] <rosapoP> should be okay
[20:44] <blockh34d> andrewprojdent: this may be obvious but you know those GPIO pins on the PI?
[20:44] <blockh34d> be super careful with those
[20:45] <blockh34d> i dont think theyre necessarily the problem, but i always worry about them since they seem easy to short out, and you seem like maybe you're kind of new to the PI. are you using a case?
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[20:46] <andrewprojdent> i don't know where they are
[20:46] <andrewprojdent> and no, i'm not
[20:46] <blockh34d> they're the two lines of metal pins sticking out of the PI
[20:46] <blockh34d> if you arent careful and some metal connects two of those together, it could go very poorly i think
[20:46] <blockh34d> so take care that doesnt happen
[20:47] <blockh34d> any little bit of metal could be a problem if you're not careful so i think you should maybe consider a case
[20:47] <andrewprojdent> ok, i'll buy one tomorrow
[20:47] <blockh34d> i used my pi without one for a while and i htink i would crash it by accident shorting one thing out or another
[20:47] <andrewprojdent> (uk, shops closed)
[20:47] <andrewprojdent> thanks for the advice
[20:48] <andrewprojdent> so it seems to have crashed or something starting up :(
[20:48] <blockh34d> yah good idea, it feels like too much money to me but i gotta say, its worth it
[20:48] <andrewprojdent> it got to INIT: Entering runlevel: Z, a few minutes ago
[20:48] <rosapoP> usb not working is usually something wanting too much power from the usb
[20:48] <blockh34d> can you try removing the sd card and reinserting it?
[20:48] <andrewprojdent> sure
[20:48] <blockh34d> OMG stephen colbert show gone?!?
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[20:48] <blockh34d> he's taking over the letterman show
[20:48] <blockh34d> wow
[20:50] <andrewprojdent> ok, we're onto the desktop
[20:50] <blockh34d> did reinserting the card seem to change something?
[20:50] <andrewprojdent> but keyboard doesn't appear to be working
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[20:50] <blockh34d> could be shakey connection at the card if so
[20:50] <andrewprojdent> well it didn't crash this time
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[20:51] <rosapoP> andrewprojdent: are you using the powerd usbhub?
[20:51] <andrewprojdent> so here's the situation. i currently only have keyboard plugged in. it's booted, but keyboard caps lock light not coming on, and keyboard buttons don't seem to be doing anything
[20:51] <andrewprojdent> no, i'm not
[20:51] <IT_Sean> Sounds like a power issue. Try a different power supply.
[20:51] <rosapoP> try using that
[20:51] <IT_Sean> or try the powered uhb
[20:51] <blockh34d> yes and differernt cable too i think
[20:51] <andrewprojdent> my pi is plugged into an extension cable, which is powering my laptop and the hub (nothing plugged into it)
[20:52] <andrewprojdent> i have no idea if that makes a difference?
[20:52] <atouk> IT_Sean: you have that bound to a key yet? (power issue)
[20:52] <IT_Sean> atouk: Yeah... F7
[20:52] <IT_Sean> also: don't be cheeky.
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[20:52] <atouk> didn't you get the memo? it's "cheeky friday"
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[20:53] <IT_Sean> No, it isn't.
[20:53] <rosapoP> andrewprojdent: use the usb wall adapter if you dont
[20:53] <blockh34d> andrewprojdent: that sounds maybe a little dodgey, i think i would try to simplify the setup as much as possible and see if any change
[20:53] <blockh34d> if so, reintroduce the variations until it breaks again so you nkow what the problem is
[20:53] <andrewprojdent> yeah, you're right.
[20:53] <andrewprojdent> sure
[20:54] <andrewprojdent> give me a sec then
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[20:56] <andrewprojdent> crashed on start up again :s it got through all terminal commands, went to a black screen and now nothing
[20:56] <andrewprojdent> (though the tv doesn't say no signal, so it's still working that way)
[20:56] <IT_Sean> Nothing?
[20:56] <IT_Sean> Not even a command prompt in the top corner?
[20:57] <andrewprojdent> nope
[20:57] <IT_Sean> or a login prompt
[20:57] <IT_Sean> huh.
[20:57] <andrewprojdent> no, just black
[20:57] <blockh34d> i'm wondering if maybe corrupted sdcard
[20:57] <andrewprojdent> i'd love it to be a software issue :)
[20:58] <IT_Sean> Did you see the boot sequence?
[20:58] <andrewprojdent> yes
[20:58] <IT_Sean> Sounds like the OS is hosed, then.
[20:58] <blockh34d> corrupted sdcard is not necesarily a software issue
[20:58] <blockh34d> it could be a software issue caused by a hardware issue
[20:58] <andrewprojdent> but fixable without buying new hwardware right?
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[20:59] <IT_Sean> the corrupted SD card is
[20:59] <IT_Sean> the actual cause may or may not be
[21:00] <rosapoP> andrewprojdent: what powers your pi?
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[21:00] <atouk> could a setting be forcing a mode the monitor can't handle after boot, or to the wrong device (rca/hdmi)?
[21:02] <andrewprojdent> it's a thing that came in the box
[21:02] <atouk> see if you can ssh in even though you have a blank screen
[21:02] <andrewprojdent> micro-sd
[21:03] <andrewprojdent> ok, i removed the sd card and put it in again. now we're at the desktop.
[21:03] <andrewprojdent> but keyboard doesn't work. doesn't light up, doesn't respond. it's the only usb thing plugged in
[21:03] <ioudas> wow, disconnect of my atheros n150 netgear card will cause a complete system hang.
[21:03] <blockh34d> i think sdcard sounds bad
[21:04] <andrewprojdent> ok. meaning i will need a new SD card, or i'll be able to reformat it?
[21:04] <blockh34d> ioudas yes removing my wifi dongle causes reboot too
[21:04] <ioudas> doesnt reboot
[21:04] <ioudas> just hangs the os.... and its also on wifi disconnection
[21:04] <ioudas> the system hangs
[21:04] <blockh34d> andrewprojdent: well i guess you could try rewriting that card, but i dunno, sounds like it could happen again
[21:04] <blockh34d> ioudas: i think it could have something to do with power spikes/dips from disconnecting hte device
[21:05] <rosapoP> still sounds like a power issue to me
[21:05] <blockh34d> i dont notice that happening when i plug/unplug from the powered hub
[21:05] <ioudas> i measured between tp1 and tp2, no differences.
[21:05] <ioudas> during disconnection
[21:05] <ioudas> plugged in 2 other cards
[21:05] <ioudas> does not occour.
[21:05] <blockh34d> yah power issue really does sound more likely
[21:05] <blockh34d> but apparently that has been checked
[21:06] <andrewprojdent> ok, so i've plugged the sd card into my mac
[21:06] <ioudas> i have 2.1 amp and 1.0amp and have seperated out the hub. there isnt much more
[21:06] <rosapoP> as a corrupt card would not be likely to boot
[21:07] <andrewprojdent> i was gonna install a new thing on it anyway. i was only sticking with the defaults to try it out. so how about i just go ahead and do that anyway?
[21:07] <andrewprojdent> we'll see what happens
[21:07] <blockh34d> doesn tseem like it could hurt at this point
[21:07] <blockh34d> but its starting to grasp at straws i think
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[21:10] <blockh34d> soo....
[21:10] <blockh34d> linked 3d apps
[21:10] <blockh34d> gonna be making a 3d app that needs to run twice and synced spatially (offset one per eye)
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[21:10] <blockh34d> run twice, once per seperate pi's
[21:10] <blockh34d> hmm
[21:11] <blockh34d> i found a nice open source terrain download/render engine called demeter, i think i'm going to start with that
[21:11] <blockh34d> i have an old 4g modem i can install if necessary
[21:11] <andrewprojdent> what do you think is the most likely thing at this point?
[21:11] <blockh34d> honestly, PEBKAC
[21:11] <blockh34d> but keep working on it
[21:12] <andrewprojdent> what could i be doing wrong?
[21:12] <andrewprojdent> i plugged everything in, i started it up, it didn't work
[21:12] <blockh34d> but it does boot
[21:12] <blockh34d> and open X?
[21:12] <blockh34d> but no kb/mouse
[21:13] <blockh34d> and you've tried other kb/mice?
[21:13] <blockh34d> or mouse without kb?
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[21:13] <blockh34d> did you put something in rc.local?
[21:13] <andrewprojdent> right, so the issues: 1. keyboard and mouse at first worked, then stopped. upon a reboot, the same. 2. sometimes when booting, it'll just stop responding totally.
[21:13] <blockh34d> maybe you are mucking up the boot up process?
[21:13] <blockh34d> and with nothing plugged in at all?
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[21:14] <andrewprojdent> it starts up fine some of the time, so without trying it 10 times..
[21:14] <blockh34d> always fully boots? good to know
[21:14] <blockh34d> try it 10 times
[21:14] <blockh34d> nothing else plugged in
[21:14] <andrewprojdent> doesn't fully boot all of the time, freezes before then
[21:14] <blockh34d> ok so will error even with no USB devices?
[21:15] <blockh34d> does the power supply feel very warm?
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[21:15] <rosapoP> andrewprojdent: i would try connecting kb/mouse to the powerd hub then the hub to the pi
[21:15] <blockh34d> does anything on the pi feel very warm
[21:15] <blockh34d> oh yah thats a good way to do it
[21:15] <rosapoP> if you havnt already
[21:15] <blockh34d> the only thing plugged into my pi is a powered hub
[21:16] <blockh34d> bonus, it will power the pi for you too
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[21:16] <rosapoP> as it sounds like its not getting enough power
[21:17] <pksato> need a multimeter to check if is power issues.
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[21:17] <blockh34d> thing is, my pi an run a keyboard/mouse off just usb 500ma
[21:17] <blockh34d> so i'm confused by these power issue
[21:17] <blockh34d> btw its not a good idea
[21:17] <blockh34d> but just to see, i try and its not been an issue for me
[21:18] <rosapoP> some keyboards uses alot of power
[21:18] <pksato> 500mA real rated PSU can power RPi and kb/mouse.
[21:18] <blockh34d> well guess we'll see
[21:18] <blockh34d> so jazzed to do some VR stuff
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[21:19] <blockh34d> i'm going to port my bird game over
[21:19] <blockh34d> it will be part flight sim, part survival
[21:19] <blockh34d> part racing game, maybe even a little tony hawk sort of trick based gameplay
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[21:19] <rosapoP> my rpi did not work with my dell usb keyboard as it used too much power
[21:20] <blockh34d> what are some other VR apps worth making?
[21:20] <blockh34d> should i try to make minecraft stereo vr? sounds pretty easy with two pi's on the job
[21:20] <andrewprojdent> i tried connecting hub to pi
[21:20] <andrewprojdent> and then keyboard/mouse to hub. same result
[21:20] <darkavenger> rosapoP i have not forgotten your permission... :P
[21:20] <blockh34d> and this is a brand new fresh OS install?
[21:20] <pksato> andrewprojdent: what yu have on screen?
[21:21] <andrewprojdent> nothing yet, that was earlier
[21:21] <andrewprojdent> i'm gonna do a brand new OS install
[21:21] <blockh34d> what have you done to this OS so far?
[21:21] <blockh34d> anything to rc.local?
[21:21] <blockh34d> or maybe /boot/cmdline.txt ?
[21:21] <pksato> have a imagem on screen? (text or some graphics)
[21:22] <pksato> search youtube to video of first boots of rpies.
[21:22] <blockh34d> VR powerstone would be awesome
[21:23] <blockh34d> if i had anyone else around here with another helmet like this
[21:23] <blockh34d> but i think people would end up actually punching each other
[21:23] <blockh34d> i think VR land is going to be a lonely place for a while
[21:24] <IT_Sean> Gee... what was your first clue?
[21:24] <blockh34d> would anyone else here build a AR/VR HMD if i posted the plans? maybe $200-$250 in parts
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[21:24] <blockh34d> IT_Sean: lol
[21:24] <IT_Sean> I wouldn't. Just not really my sort of thing though. I am sure other people would.
[21:25] <blockh34d> yeah it seems affordable enough some folks would try it out
[21:25] <blockh34d> i want to setup an nice and easy to implement eye tracking
[21:25] <blockh34d> not sure if i can get IR emitter/reciever easy enough to make
[21:25] <blockh34d> might fall back to lores webcam processing via OpenCV, seems more like something anyone could tape together
[21:26] <blockh34d> any thoughts to how i could setup a wireless output video device in 'real' desktops?
[21:26] <blockh34d> like how i could address this HMD as any other output device etc
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[21:26] <blockh34d> i think if maybe i have odroid u3 in mix too, as sort of the ringleader and liason to other computers
[21:27] <blockh34d> i feel like the odroid may have to run the actual native code
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[21:28] <blockh34d> cause flying the video data over the network is unrealistic
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[21:28] <blockh34d> makes it lot weirder to implement though... would be nice if it was just two pi's and some off the shelf stuff
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[21:33] <darkavenger> rosapoP check the pi
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[21:34] <darkavenger> it's doing pretty well
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[21:34] <rosapoP> darkavenger: page is still up
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[21:36] <darkavenger> yep i stopped it
[21:36] <darkavenger> don't want to get in trouble with isp
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[21:54] <ring0> SpeedEvil, quit touching it gently ;)
[21:54] <SpeedEvil> I need to investigate it further - it's been off for a while - USB is flaky
[21:55] <biberao> SpeedEvil: look at this
[21:55] <biberao> "piDart"
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[21:57] <pksato> http://www.raspberrypi.org/bitscope-micro/
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[22:54] <johnc-> oh python is easy
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[22:57] <johnc-> http://privatepaste.com/bdd7e27bf7 <-- need feedback on if that's good enough for working with omxplayer :)
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[23:46] <adamantbanana> I installed nginx on my Raspberry Pi Model B rev 2 using this method: http://elinux.org/RPi_Nginx_Webserver#Installing_Nginx_Using_the_Raspbian_Package and also forwarded my port 80
[23:46] <adamantbanana> but I cannot connect
[23:46] <adamantbanana> when I type in the ip in my browser, I just get "Oops! Google Chrome could not connect to 192.168.0.108"
[23:46] <adamantbanana> nginx is running, so that'
[23:46] <adamantbanana> is not it
[23:47] <adamantbanana> I haven't touched the configuration files... Is it supposed to work out of the box?
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[23:47] <andrewpoi> Hi
[23:47] <andrewpoi> So, setting up raspberry pi for the first time. flashed Jasper to it.
[23:48] <andrewpoi> So in the logs as it boots, i get things like this...
[23:48] <andrewpoi> cannot disable port 2 (err = -110)
[23:48] <andrewpoi> cannot reset port 2 (error = -110)
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[23:49] <Ecoste> Hey guysl
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[23:49] <andrewpoi> Cannot enable port 2. Maybe the USB cable is bad?
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[23:56] <ShorTie> Jasper ??
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[23:56] <nid0> adamantbanana: I suppose you are trying to connect to that pi using that address from within the same network?
[23:57] <johnc-> Jasper :/
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