#raspberrypi IRC Log

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IRC Log for 2014-04-12

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[0:01] <evil_dan2wik> hi
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[0:14] <andrewpoi> taking my raspberry pi back tomorrow
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[2:45] <evil_dan2wik_> Hi
[2:46] <shiftplusone> hi
[2:48] <evil_dan2wik_> Having problems with my network
[2:49] <evil_dan2wik_> I have a router connected wirelessly to another router and The Pi connected to the 2nd router has no Internet but I can ssh to it from the first router.
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[2:51] <AbbyTheRat_> sounds like a network issue to me
[2:51] <AbbyTheRat_> is the gateway setup correctly?
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[2:52] <AbbyTheRat_> have you turned off dhcp on one router?
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[2:53] <ShorTie> dhcp should only be on 1 router
[2:55] <AbbyTheRat_> yep
[2:55] <AbbyTheRat_> a lot of router come with dhcp turned on by default
[2:55] <AbbyTheRat_> home routers that is
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[3:48] <evil_dan2wik_> both routers have DCHP on otherwise I can't access the clients of the 2nd router
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[3:50] <ShorTie> so the 2nd router sets up it's own network ??
[3:50] <evil_dan2wik_> I don't know but I can see the devices from both networks on both routers
[3:51] <evil_dan2wik_> I just can't access the internet from the 2nd one.
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[3:52] <ShorTie> what is the gateway set to in the 2nd router ??
[3:52] <ShorTie> i would think it should point to the 1st router
[3:53] <evil_dan2wik_> it is set to 192.168.1.253
[3:53] <evil_dan2wik_> That is the homepage of the 1st router.
[3:53] <evil_dan2wik_> The homepage of the 2nd router is 192.168.1.254
[3:54] <clever> set the ip of the 2nd router to be in the same LAN as the first, 192.168.x.2 for example
[3:54] <clever> turn dhcp off on the 2nd router
[3:54] <clever> then connect the LAN ports of both together
[3:54] <ShorTie> that is a wierd address, router are normally 192.168.x.1
[3:54] <clever> ignore the WAN port
[3:54] <evil_dan2wik_> clever, problem.
[3:54] <clever> the first router goes on .1
[3:54] <clever> the 2nd router goes on .2
[3:54] <evil_dan2wik_> I am connecting the 2 routers wirelessly
[3:55] <clever> ah, that complicates matters
[3:55] <evil_dan2wik_> 1 is a normal wifi router, the 2nd one is a wifi router in client mode.
[3:55] <clever> you have to set the 2nd one to connect the wifi into its lan, not way
[3:55] <clever> wan*
[3:55] <pksato> evil_dan2wik_: 2o route have a option to be a bridge or client bridge?
[3:56] <pksato> or wds option?
[3:56] <evil_dan2wik_> the 2nd router has a WDS option, yes.
[3:56] <evil_dan2wik_> But the first one, no.
[3:57] <pksato> wifi is not easy to bridge.
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[3:58] <pksato> what is model of 2nd router?
[3:58] <evil_dan2wik_> Air3G (AirLive
[3:59] <evil_dan2wik_> )
[3:59] <evil_dan2wik_> also, is there supposed to be an ipconfig command in my Pi?
[4:00] <ShorTie> it's ifconfig in linux
[4:00] <evil_dan2wik_> ah ok, didn't know the command.
[4:00] <evil_dan2wik_> hmm
[4:00] <ShorTie> don't need no /all either
[4:00] <evil_dan2wik_> Lost all connection now.
[4:04] <evil_dan2wik_> the internet primary and secondary DNS entries are empty in the 2nd router
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[4:05] <pksato> I prefer to use the ip command to show/set ip and other net parameters.
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[4:08] <pksato> evil_dan2wik_: you connect RPi on lan port, right?
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[4:15] <clever> pksato: same, ip is much more direct and simple then ifconfig
[4:15] <clever> ip addr show eth0!
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[4:34] <blockh34d> hi
[4:34] <ShadowJK> hello
[4:35] <shiftplusone> ahoy
[4:35] <evil_dan2wik_> pksato, The RPi is connected to LAN4 on the 2nd router.
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[4:38] <pksato> http://www.retrocomputaria.com.br/plus/wp-content/uploads/sites/2/2014/03/Gato-Felix.jpg
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[4:52] <blockh34d> can dispmanx be used from python reasonably?
[4:52] <blockh34d> or is it c only?
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[5:17] <blockh34d> clever: do you know how to make hello_triangle semi-transparent? i'm trying to change the vc_dispmanx_element_add() call's param 8, marked alpha (line 166 of hello_triangle/triangle.c)
[5:17] <clever> let me double check that demo
[5:18] <blockh34d> i tried various values there but it says its expecting struct DISPMANX_ALPHA_T, which i cant figure out from the dogs
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[5:18] <blockh34d> docs that is. Thanks
[5:18] <clever> blockh34d: grep -r DISPMANX_ALPHA_T /opt/vc/include/
[5:18] <clever> with a bit of searching, youll find the .h that defines it
[5:18] <blockh34d> k thanks
[5:18] <clever> thats how i do everything
[5:18] <clever> but there is more
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[5:19] <blockh34d> yes good plan i see a few candidates here
[5:19] <clever> https://github.com/raspberrypi/userland/blob/master/host_applications/linux/apps/hello_pi/hello_triangle/triangle.c#L119
[5:19] <clever> blockh34d: this says the alpha size is 8 bit
[5:19] <blockh34d> not sure what the VC_ prefix indicates
[5:19] <clever> which means its likely rgba 32bit
[5:19] <clever> which means, per-pixel alpha
[5:19] <blockh34d> so 0-255 integer value?
[5:19] <clever> every pixel can have its own alpha, 0-255
[5:20] <blockh34d> i think its optional
[5:20] <clever> in addition to the global alpha your trying to set
[5:20] <blockh34d> seems to be perpixel or all same value
[5:20] <clever> both
[5:20] <blockh34d> or per non-zero pixel?
[5:20] <clever> https://github.com/raspberrypi/userland/blob/master/host_applications/linux/apps/hello_pi/hello_triangle/triangle.c#L181
[5:20] <blockh34d> i havent sorted out all the options yet, seems like a few for transparency, could be perfect for HUD applicaiton
[5:20] <clever> blockh34d: this sets the background color to reset to
[5:20] <clever> including the background alpha to 1.0f
[5:20] <clever> which means no transparancy at all
[5:21] <blockh34d> will the old frames still be in the buffer?
[5:21] <clever> try changing it to 0.0f
[5:21] <blockh34d> or it clears out last frame correctly?
[5:21] <clever> no, thats the point of the clear color
[5:21] <blockh34d> k
[5:21] <blockh34d> sec
[5:21] <clever> it fills the entire frame with that value
[5:21] <clever> https://github.com/raspberrypi/userland/blob/master/host_applications/linux/apps/hello_pi/hello_dispmanx/dispmanx.c#L88
[5:21] <clever> it also helps to grep the other examples for the same struct
[5:22] <clever> youll find that the raw dispmanx example has an alpha of 128 right in it
[5:22] <blockh34d> hey that's freaking *perfect* man
[5:22] <clever> perfect example, copy/paste
[5:22] <blockh34d> thats exactly what i need
[5:22] <blockh34d> i can alpha mask my triangles from that
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[5:22] <clever> thats image wide alpha, so it cant mask out
[5:22] <clever> the entire image alpha blends with whatever is under it
[5:22] <blockh34d> i wonder if this will layer over a camera output correct
[5:23] <blockh34d> so heres my next question
[5:23] <blockh34d> how do i access camera feed from within hello_triangle?
[5:23] <blockh34d> like if i wanted the camera to be one of the textures
[5:23] <clever> one sec
[5:23] <blockh34d> *awesome*
[5:23] <blockh34d> if i can sort that out i really think i'm almost ready to go
[5:23] <clever> first i'll grab one of my 3d screenshots
[5:23] * blockh34d spins triangles
[5:23] <clever> exactly what i'm grabbing
[5:24] <clever> blockh34d: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V6ogpgieJrQ
[5:24] <blockh34d> i moved my cameras back on my hmd
[5:24] <blockh34d> its pretty cool looking i think
[5:24] <clever> in this image, i set the clear color to have an alpha of 0.0f
[5:24] <clever> which means the frame is reset to 100% transparent
[5:24] <clever> the triangle however has an alpha of 1.0f on every pixel, 100% solid
[5:24] <clever> so you get a triangle over the fbcon
[5:25] <clever> let me grab the part you need
[5:25] <blockh34d> awesome yah i have that cube spinning over x now
[5:26] <blockh34d> its pretty much perfect for the layering in need
[5:26] <clever> https://github.com/raspberrypi/userland/blob/master/host_applications/linux/apps/raspicam/RaspiVid.c
[5:26] <blockh34d> how many layers of these can i composite? any set limit?
[5:26] <clever> arround 500 to 600 atleast
[5:26] <clever> but it also depends on the number in each scanline
[5:27] <blockh34d> neat well i couldnt really see needing more than a dozen or so
[5:27] <clever> basicaly, inspect raspivid.c, figure out how it works
[5:27] <clever> then use that
[5:27] <blockh34d> even that would be getting a little crazy with it
[5:27] <blockh34d> so raspivid inputs the camera to a dispmanx accessible buffer?
[5:27] <clever> no clue
[5:27] <clever> ive not bothered to read it yet
[5:27] <blockh34d> ah ok well i'll see what i can do
[5:28] <clever> but you can ctrl+f for a few keywords
[5:28] <clever> dispman isnt in the file
[5:28] <blockh34d> my goal is to put the camera's out put on the side(s) of the cube and update it in realtime
[5:28] <clever> but grep does find this...
[5:28] <clever> https://github.com/raspberrypi/userland/blob/master/host_applications/linux/apps/raspicam/RaspiTexUtil.c#L76
[5:29] <blockh34d> also notable would be being able to map other windows to the sides of the cube
[5:29] <blockh34d> like the already existing X windows
[5:29] <clever> if you read the comment, it appears to be rendering video to a gl surface?
[5:29] <clever> and then using gl to do the final draw?
[5:29] <clever> you want wayland
[5:29] <blockh34d> that looks like a good lead i'll check that out thanks
[5:29] <clever> oh, and dispmanx cant do weird angles
[5:30] <blockh34d> but opengl can
[5:30] <clever> dispmanx can only scale along x/y and rotate by hard 90's (swap x/y)
[5:30] <clever> ah yeah
[5:30] <blockh34d> so if i get the buffer as a texture
[5:30] <blockh34d> i can spin it however i want
[5:30] <clever> but X wont easily give up the image of things
[5:30] <clever> while letting you mess with the screen
[5:30] <clever> you need wayland for that kind of magic easily
[5:30] <blockh34d> yes that seems like some real magic
[5:30] <adamantbanana> hello
[5:30] <clever> but the wayland port is dispmanx based
[5:31] <blockh34d> would wayland be in my os since i'm using the latest noobs and i think it was in there?
[5:31] <clever> dont know
[5:31] <blockh34d> wayland/weston i thought
[5:31] <blockh34d> cool thanks i'll suss it out
[5:31] <clever> blockh34d: the function i linked above, line 103 opens the display
[5:31] <adamantbanana> What would be the best way to make a single folder and its contents on my Raspberry Pi fully accessible to someone on a Windows PC?
[5:31] <clever> 117 adds an element
[5:31] <blockh34d> pretty jazzed to have arbitruary shaped spinning elements in X
[5:31] <clever> but where did it create it...
[5:31] <blockh34d> i could have any shaped windows now
[5:32] <adamantbanana> (No folder above that, just a single folder)
[5:32] <clever> blockh34d: as for drawing one thing over another, thats the 3rd parameter to vc_dispmanx_element_add
[5:32] <clever> the layer
[5:32] <clever> in hello_dispmanx, its set to 2000
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[5:33] <clever> so it has a high chance of being on the top
[5:33] <blockh34d> ah i see, perfect
[5:33] <clever> blockh34d: in the raspivid/cam stuff, its set to 0 on line 86
[5:33] <blockh34d> like realtime photoshop layers
[5:33] <clever> but if you use mmal directly, you get a frame, and then you can just toss it into gl at any position you want
[5:33] <blockh34d> yes i think thats what i'd like to do
[5:34] <blockh34d> was thinking of writing it as file to ram but that sounds clunky and lame
[5:34] <blockh34d> and stale
[5:34] <blockh34d> like it'd be laggy
[5:34] <clever> the 5th param of vc_dispmanx_element_add should be a dispmanx resource
[5:34] <clever> but the raspicam stuff sends 0
[5:34] <clever> it must be creating a UI element with no backing image...
[5:34] <blockh34d> but i don't know how to get dispmanx element -> gl texture
[5:34] <blockh34d> that seems like it could be tricky
[5:35] <clever> thats what the last file i linked seems to handle
[5:35] <blockh34d> or you say i should go from mmal -> gl_texture
[5:36] <clever> oh wait, i see how this works
[5:36] <clever> https://github.com/raspberrypi/userland/blob/master/host_applications/linux/apps/raspicam/RaspiTexUtil.c#L131
[5:36] <clever> it creates a struct (called win) containing the dispmanx element, and its width/height
[5:36] <clever> then it passes that over to the EGL code
[5:36] <clever> EGL then uses dispmanx api to draw 3d into that element
[5:36] <clever> which was positioned by the code on line 117 and 100
[5:37] <clever> so you can control the position of the output, but egl handles the actual image behind it
[5:37] <clever> https://github.com/raspberrypi/userland/blob/master/host_applications/linux/apps/raspicam/RaspiTexUtil.c#L151
[5:38] <Thanatoast> Hello. I am trying a simple example (to turn an led on and off) and can't get past the second line "GPIO.setmode(BOARD.BCM)" it returns "NameError; name 'BOARD' is not defined" Any idea as to what I am doing wrong?
[5:38] <clever> blockh34d: this appears to use that object to create a EGL context
[5:38] <clever> Thanatoast: can you link the example site?
[5:39] <blockh34d> so the camera's pixels would be maybe the surfaces background when its sent to opengl?
[5:39] <blockh34d> i dont know that i get it
[5:39] <clever> blockh34d: not sure on that part yet, all i'm seeing is opengl setup code
[5:39] <clever> which ive written both ends of recently
[5:40] <clever> line 193 turns the dispmanx element into an egl surface, stored in surface
[5:41] <blockh34d> i'm reading http://robotblogging.blogspot.co.uk/2013/10/an-efficient-and-simple-c-api-for.html a bit
[5:41] <clever> and then line 209 makes that the active surface
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[5:41] <blockh34d> oh awesome
[5:41] <blockh34d> that sounds perfect i'm looking at it now
[5:41] <clever> egl will then internaly handle all the dispmanx fun to draw to that dispmanx element
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[5:41] <clever> oh, and it helps to understand dispmanx some
[5:42] <blockh34d> but i'm a little confused
[5:42] <clever> https://github.com/raspberrypi/userland/blob/master/host_applications/linux/apps/hello_pi/hello_dispmanx/dispmanx.c
[5:42] <clever> go back here
[5:42] <blockh34d> that looks like the opengl setup code
[5:42] <clever> yeah
[5:42] <clever> i'm guessing raspivid and cam use opengl to render the image
[5:42] <blockh34d> oh ok i thought it was streaming the camera to a texture
[5:42] <blockh34d> k
[5:42] <clever> yeah, thats elsewhere in the code i suspect
[5:42] <blockh34d> seems reasonable
[5:42] <clever> they stream it to a texture, then let gl do the legwork
[5:43] <clever> exactly what you want to do
[5:43] <clever> line 97 of dispmanx.c, display_open does exactly what it says
[5:43] <clever> line 99, display_get_info, same thing, returns the width/height of the display
[5:43] <Thanatoast> clever: Sites like: https://pypi.python.org/pypi/RPi.GPIO/0.3.1a or http://makezine.com/projects/tutorial-raspberry-pi-gpio-pins-and-python/
[5:43] <clever> blockh34d: next is line 111, resource_create
[5:44] <clever> blockh34d: basically, this allocates a single picture frame in the GPU memory
[5:44] <blockh34d> yah i was messing around with that to adjust the output of hello_triangle
[5:44] <blockh34d> so its only in a corner of my screen and i can change size/position of it
[5:44] <clever> Thanatoast: nowhere in that example does it say BOARD.BCM
[5:44] <clever> Thanatoast: you must have mis-typed the code
[5:45] <clever> blockh34d: you wont need to touch resource_create
[5:45] <clever> blockh34d: next is lines 116 and 117, that stores the dest coords into a rect, and then copies the image data from arm->gpu
[5:45] <blockh34d> not sure what i'm doing in dispmanx.c actually
[5:45] <blockh34d> seems like something i shouldnt change, out of my paygrade
[5:46] <blockh34d> things i should change begin with 'hello_'
[5:46] <blockh34d> heh
[5:46] <clever> you will want to change it to move the triangle
[5:46] <clever> this is in hello
[5:46] <clever> hello_dispmanx/dispmanx.c
[5:46] <blockh34d> oh ok
[5:46] <clever> https://github.com/raspberrypi/userland/blob/master/host_applications/linux/apps/hello_pi/hello_dispmanx/dispmanx.c#L123
[5:46] <Thanatoast> clever: Sorry I had lost the specific one I used and _assumed_ they were the same. The one I used was actually: http://www.petervis.com/Raspberry_PI/Raspberry_Pi_Blink_LED/Raspberry_Pi_Blink_LED.html
[5:46] <clever> blockh34d: so by this point, you have an open handle to the display and a image resource in gpu memory
[5:47] <blockh34d> is it off screen in gpu memory?
[5:47] <clever> blockh34d: yes
[5:47] <blockh34d> like its available but not displayed? that'd be ideal
[5:47] <blockh34d> perfect
[5:47] <clever> blockh34d: line 123 starts a bulk update
[5:47] <clever> blockh34d: line 133 creates an element to display the resource
[5:48] <clever> and then line 144 makes the gpu run that bulk update, and waits for it to finish
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[5:48] <clever> blockh34d: thats what actualy makes the resource visible
[5:48] <blockh34d> yah most of my dispmanx updates will probably be the whole screen etc, one big blit from opengl
[5:49] <blockh34d> i think opengl is going to be handling almost all the drawing for me
[5:49] <clever> blockh34d: another important thing to learn about
[5:49] <blockh34d> maybe i'll have an interface layer that sits over the 3d layer i let dispmanx handle
[5:49] <Bagari> Hey there, I'm having a little trouble with Piface, is this the right place to ask? I can't download python-pifacedigital-emulator for Python 2.7, says the package is unable to be located.
[5:49] <clever> blockh34d: vc_dispmanx_element_change_source
[5:49] <blockh34d> oh yah that sounds good
[5:49] <clever> blockh34d: this function will change the resource behind an element, without moving the element
[5:49] <Thanatoast> clever: Apparently I just stumbled on an example that doesn't work. Sorry to waste your time but thanks for making me figure it out.
[5:50] <clever> blockh34d: so you create 2 resources, and 1 element
[5:50] <clever> blockh34d: draw to 1 resource, when its finish, make it active, and draw to the other
[5:50] <blockh34d> i'm really psyched about what is already spinning around my screen
[5:50] <blockh34d> i have most of my own windowing set made out of opengl stuff
[5:50] <clever> blockh34d: however, from what i'm seeing in the raspi utils
[5:50] <blockh34d> i could make my own 3d flying around windows
[5:50] <Bagari> can anyone help?
[5:51] <clever> blockh34d: your supposed to create an element using resource 0, then pass that element off to EGL
[5:51] <clever> blockh34d: EGL then handles creating 2 resources and flipping them for you
[5:51] <blockh34d> perfect
[5:52] <blockh34d> it'd be awesome if i could decode a mp4 into a texture
[5:52] <clever> in my SDL lib for v3d, you dont even do that
[5:52] <clever> you just ask SDL to open the video, and its open
[5:52] <blockh34d> i bet what i'm doing with the cam will lead to that
[5:52] <clever> there are several ways to do that
[5:52] <blockh34d> yah but i want it as a tirangle texture
[5:52] <blockh34d> for warping etc
[5:52] <clever> blockh34d: https://github.com/raspberrypi/userland/tree/master/host_applications/linux/apps/hello_pi/hello_videocube
[5:52] <blockh34d> ohhh there it is
[5:53] <clever> video on a teapot
[5:53] <clever> video on a cube
[5:53] <clever> https://github.com/raspberrypi/userland/tree/master/host_applications/linux/apps/hello_pi/hello_teapot
[5:54] <blockh34d> i get an error about not find -lilclient
[5:54] <blockh34d> when i make
[5:54] <blockh34d> ./libs/ilclient i think is what it wants
[5:54] <clever> you have to run make one dir up i think
[5:54] <blockh34d> making it
[5:54] <clever> or rebuild.sh
[5:55] <blockh34d> thats perfect
[5:55] <blockh34d> works great, maybe lil laggy but i got million windows open
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[5:56] <blockh34d> i bet if i was playing off ramdrive it'd be perfect
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[5:56] <clever> run it a second time
[5:56] <blockh34d> k
[5:56] <clever> it will likely be in ram now
[5:57] <blockh34d> its nagging me about suffecient gpu mem, i only have 128 enabled that maybe slowing it down a bit
[5:57] <clever> yeah
[5:57] <blockh34d> frame rate is still slightly below optimal but its pretty good
[5:57] <blockh34d> frame rate of the video its playing that is, the cube spins at a solid rate
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[6:00] <clever> also play hello_video
[6:00] <clever> so youll get an idea of what raw omx can do
[6:00] <clever> i believe thats the same file, but without gl
[6:01] <blockh34d> hey this puts me within hairs distance of writing my own omxplayer i think
[6:01] <blockh34d> so i could make my scamp app have one less external dependancy
[6:02] <blockh34d> be more than just a UI at that point i think
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[6:02] <clever> the problem i had with hello_video
[6:02] <clever> it needs raw 'annex b' h264 format
[6:02] <blockh34d> did you ever try that clever? my ui app? it's kinda neat you might like it
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[6:03] <blockh34d> so far omxplayer has played almost anything i can find
[6:03] <blockh34d> very rarely has it not been able to open something
[6:03] <clever> omxplayer uses ffmpeg to conver things to annex b
[6:03] <clever> before feeding it to the GPU
[6:03] <clever> hello_video lacks that
[6:04] <blockh34d> oh i see
[6:04] <blockh34d> what format does the picam supply?
[6:04] <johnc-> I can use omxplayer from python :)
[6:04] <blockh34d> johnc-: yes thats what i did for my ui app
[6:04] <blockh34d> its scamp in the pi store
[6:04] <clever> blockh34d: i think it can give raw images or h264
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[6:04] <blockh34d> what do you use to control omxplayer johnc-?
[6:04] <clever> but if you just want to play it to a screen, dont use h264, dont do any compression
[6:04] <blockh34d> right
[6:04] <johnc-> blockh34d: nothing, I wrote a library interface to it
[6:04] <blockh34d> makes sense
[6:05] <blockh34d> johnc-: cool, i wrote a UI for it
[6:05] <johnc-> I didn't like shell executing omxplayer
[6:05] <blockh34d> its got the basic buttons, a seekbar, a playlist, random/shuffle, audio stream selection
[6:05] <blockh34d> some basic stuff
[6:05] <johnc-> so I can run things directly
[6:05] <blockh34d> its all console mode ui, ascii art buttons etc
[6:05] <blockh34d> so it works from ssh and outside X
[6:05] <blockh34d> 0.3% cpu overhead
[6:06] <blockh34d> also can crawl directories
[6:06] <johnc-> oh, I pick what to watch from my android phone
[6:06] <blockh34d> yah working on putting a webserver in it soon for that
[6:07] <blockh34d> but for now if they make a ssh client for your phone, you could do the same
[6:07] <blockh34d> but its just how i do it
[6:07] <clever> blockh34d: i already have an android ssh client
[6:07] <johnc-> http://carryoncoding.wordpress.com/2014/04/11/raspberrypi-a-better-way-to-develop-with-omxplayer/
[6:07] <blockh34d> i found it helpful so i put it out there for anyone else, its a free app
[6:07] <clever> blockh34d: connectbot
[6:07] <blockh34d> oh cool, maybe you could tell me if my app works well with it
[6:08] <blockh34d> can it relay mouse input?
[6:08] <blockh34d> johnc-: yah i just use pexpect
[6:08] <blockh34d> cause i need to monitor omxplayers output
[6:08] <clever> its text mode only
[6:08] <blockh34d> clever yes so is my app, text mode can support mouse
[6:08] <johnc-> actually running omxplayer is so... ugh
[6:08] <johnc-> bad way to do things
[6:08] <clever> connectbot doesnt though
[6:09] <blockh34d> johnc-: yah its a hack, working out so far
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[6:09] <blockh34d> really i just wanted a playlist
[6:09] <blockh34d> and a way to make video happen with less typing
[6:09] <johnc-> I reimplemented a huge chunk of omxplayer too, so much easier for me to work with now
[6:09] <blockh34d> now 'play' cues up about a week of random tv shows, shuffles them and plays them in a corner of my screen
[6:09] <blockh34d> and i can toggle fullscreen during playback
[6:10] <blockh34d> yah but what about when they update omxplayer
[6:10] <blockh34d> gotta reimplement that code again
[6:10] <johnc-> yeah, I'm working on getting GTK windows to overlap the video output next
[6:10] <blockh34d> i dont mind that its always on top actually
[6:10] <johnc-> blockh34d: eh, most of it goes unchanged, it's not hard to read a diff and see if my code needs an update
[6:10] <blockh34d> once i got it to where i can easily say where that is, doesnt matter to me that i can't interact with it and its always on top
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[6:11] <johnc-> always being on top isn't a problem most of the time
[6:11] <blockh34d> actually kinda nice cause i know i won't disturb my viewing setup
[6:11] <johnc-> but I want to get a notification system in place
[6:11] <clever> blockh34d: do you know what i was thinking about the ipod nano dispays?
[6:11] <blockh34d> yah i like to code and watch shows, pi handles it really well
[6:11] <blockh34d> clever: using two o fthem at once? btw what is the resolution like on those?
[6:11] <clever> one display per eye
[6:11] <blockh34d> yah
[6:12] <blockh34d> like i'm doing now but with only one pi
[6:12] <clever> google says its 240x240
[6:12] <blockh34d> oh well nuts to that then
[6:12] <blockh34d> i'm at 320x240 now and its already too low
[6:12] <blockh34d> way too low
[6:12] <clever> and its also 220 pixels per inch
[6:12] <blockh34d> i need it more like 800x480 per eye
[6:12] <clever> which makes it just over an inch in size
[6:13] <blockh34d> yah but my setup allows for 2.5" displays
[6:13] <blockh34d> so i need to use as much of that as i can or its kind of wasted
[6:13] <blockh34d> maybe future setup could use that but even then, resolution is real bottle neck
[6:13] <clever> youll probly want different DSI screens then
[6:13] <blockh34d> also i kind of lik ehaving a one pi per side thing going on
[6:13] <blockh34d> i can have one pi track one hand
[6:14] <blockh34d> one pi handle one ears worth of forward/backward audio
[6:14] <clever> that will cause issues if you want to do stuff like play a 3d movie
[6:14] <clever> omxplayer supports 3d video files
[6:14] <blockh34d> like each pi does all that for its side
[6:14] <clever> with dual screen and one pi, you can properly sync the 2 eyes
[6:14] <blockh34d> yah i'll have to figure that out
[6:14] <blockh34d> yes my player can almost do that right now
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[6:14] <blockh34d> as soon as i put a socket server in it, no problem
[6:14] <clever> you lack the sync though
[6:14] <clever> high resolution sync
[6:14] <blockh34d> no i'm working on socket server async right now
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[6:15] <blockh34d> 2ms latency
[6:15] <blockh34d> and it can know its latency so it can offset by that much
[6:15] <clever> thats almost a whole frame at 30fps
[6:15] <blockh34d> i believe you can offset omxplayer at commandline
[6:15] <blockh34d> for time sync
[6:15] <clever> but not with that kind of resolution
[6:15] <blockh34d> actually i already do just to handle seek etc
[6:15] <clever> and your wasting battery power also
[6:16] <blockh34d> well down to the frames
[6:16] <clever> 2 pi's decoding the same video
[6:16] <blockh34d> pretty sure
[6:16] <clever> seeking takes a while to re-buffer
[6:16] <clever> which will totaly screw up the offset
[6:16] <blockh34d> no i have it pause and wait for responsiveness to resume
[6:16] <blockh34d> it 'step's and waits for that to output to stdout
[6:16] <clever> you should really use stuff like mplayer and its pre-existing sync stuff
[6:16] <clever> udp based
[6:16] <blockh34d> yah probably
[6:16] <clever> but it currently lacks omx support
[6:16] <blockh34d> sounds better
[6:17] <blockh34d> but i bet i could make omxplayer work
[6:17] <blockh34d> yah thats why i keep using omxplayer
[6:17] <blockh34d> mplayer just doesnt have the performance
[6:17] <clever> only because it lacks hw accel
[6:17] <clever> which ive half fixed
[6:17] <blockh34d> every other option known execpt 'run well'
[6:17] <blockh34d> my video player UI w/ omxplayer GETS IT
[6:17] <blockh34d> i want to say it never misses a frame/beat etc
[6:17] <blockh34d> but who knows
[6:18] <blockh34d> mplayer and vlc etc just smack around the cpu and fail
[6:18] <blockh34d> i hear even xbmc has issues
[6:18] <clever> because they are software decoders
[6:18] <blockh34d> but i think that oculd be user based, config etc
[6:18] <blockh34d> ya
[6:18] <clever> omxplayer was actualy torn out of XBMC
[6:18] <blockh34d> thats why i used omxplayer the way i did
[6:18] <clever> XBMC was the original hw decoder
[6:18] <blockh34d> oh neat
[6:18] <blockh34d> i didnt know that, figured it was the otherway if anything
[6:18] <johnc-> as I understood it omxplayer started as a testbed for omx hardware support for xbmc
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[6:19] <blockh34d> must be why the no UI
[6:19] <blockh34d> why rewrite some crappy gtk ui when you already made xbmc
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[6:19] <johnc-> it's helpful to have access to ffmpeg under the hood though :)
[6:19] <blockh34d> its really pretty
[6:19] <blockh34d> yes i use ffprobe in my app to get file info
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[6:19] <blockh34d> i think i'm going to have it wrangle youtube-dl too
[6:20] <blockh34d> so it can playback youtube links with minimum typing/fuss
[6:20] <johnc-> yeah, I have that wired in over my network
[6:20] <johnc-> I am working on a chrome extension that tells my pi to play youtube vids
[6:20] <blockh34d> cool
[6:20] <blockh34d> my app will basically do that
[6:21] <blockh34d> by making your pi a webserver
[6:21] <blockh34d> and dishing out a little ui in javascript
[6:21] <clever> blockh34d: you should also look into avahi
[6:21] <blockh34d> ok i will
[6:21] <blockh34d> whats that about?
[6:21] <clever> one sec
[6:22] <blockh34d> its ok i'll google it
[6:22] <blockh34d> thougth maybe there was a 10 words or less version
[6:22] <clever> pastebinning an example
[6:22] <blockh34d> oh cool thanks
[6:22] <clever> blockh34d: http://pastebin.com/PxTgN4Sh
[6:22] <clever> this commands asks the LAN for anything running my thermostat program
[6:22] <clever> and just finds its ip&port
[6:23] <clever> no need to configure anything
[6:23] <blockh34d> oh that'll be great for discovering lan game servers in my game
[6:23] <clever> http://pastebin.com/YPNuCbX8 and this one lists every website on the LAN
[6:23] <blockh34d> in its multiplayer
[6:23] <clever> (the webserver has to be specialy configured)
[6:23] <blockh34d> and for discovering pi's running scamp, of course
[6:24] <clever> the chrome avahi extension can find this website record and just open it with one click
[6:24] <blockh34d> the 'webserver' would be some async socket server code in python
[6:24] <clever> ssh pi2.local
[6:24] <blockh34d> can output whatever
[6:24] <clever> bam, i'm in
[6:24] <clever> i also use avahi to ssh into my pi
[6:24] <clever> on any lan
[6:24] <clever> no matter what the ip is
[6:24] <clever> if its on the lan, i'm in
[6:24] <blockh34d> sweet
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[6:24] <clever> avahi handles the .local domain and uses broadcast packets to find it
[6:26] <clever> apple also uses avahi to find ios devices and macs
[6:26] <clever> for example, i forgot to close avahi-browse
[6:26] <clever> + eth0 IPv4 30:10:e4:92:5a:e6@fe80::3210:e4ff:fe92:5ae6 _apple-mobdev2._tcp local
[6:26] <clever> - eth0 IPv4 30:10:e4:92:5a:e6@fe80::3210:e4ff:fe92:5ae6 _apple-mobdev2._tcp local
[6:26] <clever> and came back to find my terminal filled with this
[6:26] <clever> every time dad turned his ipod on/off
[6:26] <clever> it would advertise itself on the wifi
[6:26] <johnc-> sounds secure
[6:26] <johnc-> :P
[6:27] <clever> johnc-: the port its advertising is secured
[6:27] <blockh34d> lol
[6:27] <clever> this just lets the authorized apps find that port easily
[6:27] <johnc-> I've been working on a smart home framework that can do similar things
[6:27] <johnc-> it's yummy
[6:27] <clever> i also modified my android app to use avahi to find the thermostat
[6:27] <clever> then i discovered 3 things
[6:27] <clever> 1: the kindle fire lacks avahi
[6:28] <clever> 2: the galaxy S3 avahi is glitchy
[6:28] <clever> 3: the galaxy Si avahi crashes the entire phone ~10mins after you use it
[6:28] <johnc-> ouch
[6:28] <johnc-> I wish I had my thermostat wired in to my stuff
[6:28] <clever> there are pure java based avahi libs, that work within your app
[6:28] <johnc-> but that's beyond me
[6:28] <clever> it gives support to older devices, and decouples it from those bugs
[6:29] <clever> but its performance is worse
[6:29] <clever> a system wide avahi daemon can listen for announcents and cache them, then serve it to any app on demand
[6:29] <clever> but a per-app one can only listen when the app is running
[6:29] <clever> and if you have 10 apps all running and doing the same thing
[6:29] <clever> there goes your battery :P
[6:29] <johnc-> yup, I've already faced this problem with my framework
[6:30] <johnc-> has a core broker app that acts as the interface to the smart home network
[6:30] <clever> i just hardcoded the ip and left it at that
[6:30] <johnc-> other apps just know how to talk through it
[6:30] <clever> "2014-04-12 01:30:16 bedroom temp: 20.38c(68.68f), kitchen: 24.06c(75.31f), living room: 24.12c(75.43f), outdoor: 0.06c(32.11f) VCC: over 4.5 volts portb: 00000000"
[6:30] <clever> this is the old c++ control hub i wrote
[6:30] <clever> it joins up an ftdi, cacti, and android
[6:30] <blockh34d> if you give your kitchen a gps, y ou've gone too far
[6:31] <blockh34d> i'm just putting it out there
[6:31] <johnc-> I have my tv video playback wired, some music stuff done, a weather app, my lighting and computer sleep/shutdown/reboot etc.
[6:31] <clever> johnc-: so far, i can only control 1 zone in the heating system
[6:31] <clever> i need to add more SSR's
[6:31] <clever> but i also want to monitor my power usage across the entire house
[6:31] <johnc-> I'm going full on JARVIS :)
[6:31] <blockh34d> i think i'm going to use IMU's for hand tracking, at first
[6:32] <clever> johnc-: thats what i want to do, but dad complains about it constantly
[6:32] <clever> "2014-04-12 01:32:07 bedroom temp: 20.38c(68.68f), kitchen: 24.06c(75.31f), living room: 24.06c(75.31f), outdoor: -0.19c(31.66f) VCC: over 4.5 volts portb: 00000000"
[6:32] <blockh34d> and like you said clever, two per arm, one at wrist one at elbow
[6:32] <clever> what the hell?, it just dropped 0.2 degrees!?
[6:32] <blockh34d> then flex sensors for wrist/fingers
[6:32] <blockh34d> ghosts
[6:32] <blockh34d> chanign your thermostat
[6:33] <clever> thats the outdoor sensor
[6:33] <blockh34d> maybe the temp sensor resolution is > 0.1 degree
[6:33] <clever> its resolution is 1/16th of a degree
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[6:33] <clever> 0.0625
[6:34] <blockh34d> guess its getting chilly then!
[6:35] * johnc- punches C++
[6:36] <blockh34d> yah its finicky eh
[6:36] <clever> johnc-: ive been wanting to do whole house current measurement
[6:36] <blockh34d> the slacker in me likes python so much more
[6:36] <clever> and just today, i cracked open the main panel to take a peak
[6:36] <johnc-> yeah, it's dying with a segfault
[6:36] <johnc-> CloseDecoder(); // causes segfault
[6:36] <clever> johnc-: gdb!
[6:36] <clever> valgrind!
[6:36] <johnc-> first line of CloseDecoder() never executes
[6:36] <clever> i found a marret inside the main panel
[6:37] <clever> one of the lines was too short, so the idiot added a 6 inch extension
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[6:38] <clever> johnc-: i can also see some very good safety design in the panel
[6:38] <blockh34d> clever: ugh
[6:38] <clever> there is a block at the top to stop you from touching the main input cables
[6:38] <blockh34d> i hate when people hack home wiring
[6:38] <RahulAN> How to make iso image of my card OS .
[6:38] <clever> and if the breaker at the top is off, there is no way to touch the live lines
[6:38] <blockh34d> especially someone elses homewiring
[6:39] <shiftplusone> RahulAN, not an iso, that's for CDs. What OS are you using?
[6:39] <blockh34d> RahulAN: dd or win32diskimage(something like that)
[6:39] <clever> blockh34d: there is also hockey tape on the wires in the attic
[6:39] <shiftplusone> (on your PC)
[6:39] <blockh34d> i got that app name wrong but its kinda like that
[6:39] <blockh34d> clever: wow. i would be pretty heated up about that if it were my job site
[6:39] <blockh34d> someone would be getting tossed out on their ear
[6:40] <blockh34d> my shed has better wiring than that
[6:40] <RahulAN> shiftplusone, raspbian
[6:40] <clever> blockh34d: my garage still has a fuse panel
[6:40] <shiftplusone> RahulAN, on your PC, not on your pi.
[6:40] <clever> outdoor: 0.25c(32.45f)
[6:40] <blockh34d> clever lol wow
[6:40] <clever> what the....
[6:40] <clever> its now gone back up by 0.4!
[6:40] <blockh34d> ghosts
[6:40] <RahulAN> i need it for just boot on any raspberry pi .. so that i need not to update that image ..
[6:40] <blockh34d> its the ONLY rational explenation
[6:41] <RahulAN> shiftplusone, ubuntu, i am using
[6:41] <shiftplusone> RahulAN, then use dd
[6:41] <clever> outdoor: 0.31c(32.56f)
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[6:41] <shiftplusone> dd if=/dev/whereveryourcardis of=/whereveryouwanttowritethebackup.img bs=1M
[6:41] <blockh34d> clever my hmd will actually have a UI overlay very soon now
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[6:41] <RahulAN> shiftplusone, dd? what? /root /boot/ etc ???
[6:41] <blockh34d> thanks to your help! thank you!
[6:42] <clever> blockh34d: nice
[6:42] <RahulAN> ohkk
[6:42] <shiftplusone> the whole card
[6:42] <blockh34d> its basic but it'll give my gps coords, and draw a ground plane
[6:42] <RahulAN> in format of img
[6:42] <blockh34d> soon it'll poll the accelerometer between gps updates for very snappy updates
[6:42] <clever> blockh34d: you should look at osm, which gives me an idea
[6:42] <clever> blockh34d: i wonder if i could do a v3d based osm map drawing engine
[6:42] <blockh34d> i will thanks
[6:42] <shiftplusone> extensions don't mean much on linux, it doesn't matter.
[6:43] <blockh34d> i really want to plot map courses soon
[6:43] <clever> shiftplusone: ive only seen one program that cares about extensions, eog wont open gifs ending in .jpg
[6:43] <blockh34d> like a glowing line on the gournd in front of me
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[6:44] <blockh34d> i feel a little bit like i'm evolving new senses
[6:44] <blockh34d> eyesight 2.0
[6:44] <RahulAN> shiftplusone, what if i want to burn it on some cord of other raspberry pi
[6:44] <RahulAN> same use dd??
[6:44] <RahulAN> *card
[6:44] <clever> blockh34d: have you seen the haptic compass?
[6:45] <blockh34d> no that sounds neat
[6:45] <shiftplusone> RahulAN, yup, same thing, except you change of and if parameters
[6:45] <clever> blockh34d: http://hackaday.com/2009/02/05/haptic-compass/
[6:45] <RahulAN> Ohkk
[6:45] <blockh34d> i should post my hmd on hackaday
[6:45] <clever> RahulAN: if == infile, of == out file
[6:45] <RahulAN> than it will make same on my other card..
[6:45] <blockh34d> i bet it'd get a lotta clicks
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[6:46] <RahulAN> i got it
[6:46] <shiftplusone> RahulAN, note that the card has to be no smaller than the original.
[6:46] <RahulAN> shiftplusone, Yes :)
[6:46] <blockh34d> clever: that's neat! i have a project in mind thats similar
[6:46] <johnc-> I need to make videos of my framework so it can go on hackaday
[6:46] <johnc-> make sure it's grainy etc.
[6:47] <blockh34d> except instead of shaking, i want to inflate an air bladder along a ring in any particular direction to indicate the distance in that direction to an obstacle
[6:47] <blockh34d> than the user wears the ring as a sort of sonar headband
[6:48] <clever> vibrate is simpler
[6:48] <blockh34d> for blind people btw, i doubt most people would get much use out of that
[6:48] <clever> inflating needs a bulky compressor
[6:48] <blockh34d> thats true
[6:48] <blockh34d> shaking would be a lot easier
[6:48] <blockh34d> maybe i'll prototype it haptic at first
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[6:48] <clever> and i understand what you mean, i know a blind person on irc and i watch a blind youtube channel
[6:48] <blockh34d> and see if that draws in the tech necessary for air comps with the cloud etc
[6:49] <blockh34d> yah i think it'd be great to help them gain more independance and mobility
[6:49] <blockh34d> someday i'd like to help 3d print for disabled people too
[6:49] <blockh34d> like the robohand kid
[6:49] <clever> the big problem i see is the software/hardware being sold at insane prices
[6:49] <clever> because there is no competition
[6:49] <blockh34d> yah that'd suck, but its getting a lot easier to homebrew
[6:49] <blockh34d> my hmd isn't but a couple hundred in parts and mostly off the shelf stuff
[6:50] <blockh34d> more or less taped together
[6:50] <clever> blockh34d: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NJf5jmdP5sM
[6:50] <blockh34d> and i can wear it around all day, all around the block etc it takes some wear and tear allready
[6:50] <clever> the thing that amazes me, how does he know the difference between a door and a wall when his cane hits it?
[6:51] <clever> he can tell the diff before he even touches it
[6:51] <blockh34d> yah i bet
[6:51] <blockh34d> two ways
[6:51] <blockh34d> the surface responds differently to a percussive tap
[6:51] <blockh34d> like it thunks different
[6:51] <clever> also, watch carefully
[6:51] <blockh34d> two the tip of the can resists the texture of the two surfaces differently
[6:51] <clever> he is walking perfectly down the middle of the hallway
[6:52] <clever> not even tapping the piles of chairs on the side most of the time
[6:52] <blockh34d> i bet his internal memory is amazing too
[6:52] <clever> you should also watch https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aPZG04wuJOk
[6:52] <blockh34d> probably forming a whole 3d model in his mind
[6:53] <clever> it ran over the end of his cane
[6:53] <clever> he mentions that he was almost hit by a car
[6:53] <clever> and he says what can you do, even if you call the police
[6:53] <clever> how can you describe the car/
[6:53] <blockh34d> imagine this guy with a 20 ft imaginary cane in 30 directions around him like a ring
[6:53] <blockh34d> i think he'd be getting along even better
[6:53] <clever> he has also done some other interesting videos
[6:54] <blockh34d> could maybe dodge some moving obstacles etc
[6:54] <clever> for example, he cant get his head arround colors
[6:54] <clever> people have explained it, but it just doesnt make sense to him
[6:54] <blockh34d> yes i bet
[6:54] <clever> another interesting one was smiling
[6:54] <blockh34d> the movie Mask addresses that
[6:54] <clever> he cant see it in a mirror
[6:54] <blockh34d> i wonder if he's seen it
[6:54] <clever> so he had trouble learning how to fake a smile
[6:54] <blockh34d> in the movie, the character explains color to a blind girl
[6:54] <blockh34d> by saying heat feels like red
[6:54] <clever> he could smile naturaly if he was happy
[6:54] <blockh34d> and cold feels like blue
[6:54] <clever> but he couldnt fake it
[6:55] <blockh34d> yah i'm bad at that too
[6:55] <clever> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P1IY6plQKGI can blind people draw?
[6:55] <blockh34d> dubstep blind guy ftw
[6:55] <clever> some of the drawings are pretty whacky
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[6:55] <blockh34d> its kind of a new spin on reality tv to imagine you as the viewer can see stuff they can't
[6:56] <blockh34d> it would make a neat theme for survivor
[6:56] <clever> for small things like a cat or a dog, he knows how big it is
[6:56] <clever> but for large things he cant wrap his arms arround, like an elephant
[6:56] <clever> how can you know what it looks like?
[6:57] <blockh34d> 3d printers
[6:57] <blockh34d> maybe if he could just pick any sort of anything and then print out a little one, he could feel it and get a bit of an idea
[6:57] <clever> too expensive
[6:57] <blockh34d> oh i know
[6:57] <johnc-> hmm
[6:57] <blockh34d> a sand castle artist
[6:57] <johnc-> I should buy another pi to make a build server
[6:58] <blockh34d> could make him a sand elephant/aligaotr/whatever
[6:58] <blockh34d> that he could inspect at length without harm
[6:58] <blockh34d> you can never have two many pi's
[6:58] <clever> johnc-: you can do builds in qemu
[6:58] <blockh34d> i have 4 within arms reach right now
[6:58] <clever> johnc-: https://github.com/cleverca22/crosspiroot
[6:58] <clever> these scripts let you chroot into an arm env
[6:59] <clever> so your running arm userspace on x86 kernel
[6:59] <clever> gives better performance, and multiple cores
[6:59] <clever> (better then a full VM)
[6:59] <johnc-> but not as cool
[6:59] <johnc-> I'd need a pi environment too, what I'm compiling compiles against the pi firmware
[6:59] <clever> id say its pretty cool to be able to run arm binaries directly on an x86 machine
[6:59] <clever> johnc-: this script chroots right into a rasbian .img file
[6:59] <clever> ive used it to customize an image before even writting it to my sd card
[7:00] <clever> just chroot in, apt-get remove foo, apt-get install bar
[7:00] <clever> then my sd card is customized, before it even boots
[7:00] <johnc-> freaking segfault, argh
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[7:00] <blockh34d> anyone suggestions for best practice to record lots of HD video from Picam?
[7:01] <blockh34d> like what sort of drive, setup etc
[7:01] <clever> blockh34d: usb memory stick
[7:01] <clever> or nfs
[7:01] <blockh34d> k
[7:01] <blockh34d> can usbmemory stick write fast enouhg?
[7:01] <blockh34d> do some write faster?
[7:01] <clever> probly
[7:01] <clever> you should use iostat to check
[7:01] <clever> iostat -x 30
[7:01] <blockh34d> i would lke to use the hmd as a 3d cam
[7:02] <blockh34d> 3d cam with orientation info saved as well
[7:02] <clever> the last field is the percent of bandwidth used
[7:02] <blockh34d> i think that would be fun for a movie maker to play with
[7:02] <clever> if it gets near 90%, youll have issues
[7:02] <clever> watch it while its recording and get a feel for if its fast enough
[7:02] <blockh34d> oh great ok perfect thanks
[7:02] <blockh34d> thats waht i'll do
[7:03] <clever> if i run it on one of my major database sites, i get this output
[7:03] <clever> Device: rrqm/s wrqm/s r/s w/s rkB/s wkB/s avgrq-sz avgqu-sz await r_await w_await svctm %util
[7:03] <clever> sda 0.00 13.67 0.00 14.00 0.00 284.53 40.65 0.27 18.93 0.00 18.93 11.17 15.64
[7:03] <clever> so the disk is currently operating at 15% of its bandwidth capacity
[7:03] <clever> which is about 284kB/sec write, 0 read
[7:04] <blockh34d> i think maybe nfs to diff machine good for bulk
[7:04] <blockh34d> like really long captures
[7:04] <clever> yeah
[7:05] <clever> then you can use a magnetic disk and not care about power draw
[7:05] <clever> in that case, you would use iftop on the pi, and iostat on the nfs server
[7:05] <clever> iftop graphs network usage
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[7:05] <blockh34d> oh ok will do
[7:05] <blockh34d> handy apps there, never heard of them before
[7:06] <blockh34d> cant wait to get hand tracking
[7:06] <blockh34d> so close
[7:06] <clever> if i run iftop on that network server for example
[7:06] <blockh34d> i know what to do now, i think thats most of it
[7:06] <blockh34d> also i'm wearing enough computers to do it
[7:06] <clever> i'm getting 400kbyte/sec tx and 500kbyte/sec rx
[7:06] <blockh34d> so its mostly 'free'
[7:06] <clever> total of 900kb/sec
[7:07] <clever> and the bulk of it is a single ip, way way more then others
[7:07] <blockh34d> what do you think 1080p needs per second to save?
[7:07] <clever> ah, he was doing a database sync
[7:07] <clever> 20 pages to download, each 31kb
[7:07] <clever> blockh34d: all depends on the bitrate you set
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[7:08] <blockh34d> http://superuser.com/questions/434532/what-data-transfer-rates-are-needed-or-streaming-hd-1080p-or-720p-video-or-stan
[7:09] <blockh34d> looks like approx 22Mbps for 1080p
[7:09] <blockh34d> which is just a little more than usb1.1 spec and way less than usb2
[7:09] <clever> it will be whatever you want it to be
[7:09] <clever> you can just tell raspivid to use less bits/sec
[7:09] <blockh34d> yah but i'm thinking if i want it for production video later
[7:09] <blockh34d> basically waht i want it to be is the best it could possibly be, whatever that is
[7:10] <blockh34d> raw pixels would be perfect
[7:10] <blockh34d> totally uncompressed
[7:10] <blockh34d> but i'm a realist
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[10:35] <daedeloth> hm. I'm a bit lost with the 74hct244
[10:36] <shiftplusone> hi
[10:36] <daedeloth> hi :)
[10:36] <shiftplusone> what seems to be the problem?
[10:36] <daedeloth> so in order to get 5v output... connect the 5v supply to OE, 1A0 to a GPIO and 1Y0 to whever needs 5v?
[10:37] <shiftplusone> yup
[10:37] <shiftplusone> and ground 1OE
[10:37] <shiftplusone> 1OE*
[10:38] <shiftplusone> Ah, I typed it right the first time... the font made the O look like a 0 >.>
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[10:38] <shiftplusone> ah, you said "connect the 5v supply to OE"
[10:38] <shiftplusone> no
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[10:38] <shiftplusone> the bar over OE in the datasheet means it's low active
[10:39] <shiftplusone> and you need 5V on Vcc and GND on GND
[10:40] <daedeloth> ok, so 1OE to GND
[10:40] <shiftplusone> aye
[10:40] <daedeloth> Vcc = whatever needs 5v?
[10:41] <shiftplusone> VCC is pin 20 (top right)
[10:41] <shiftplusone> power input to the chip, kind of.
[10:41] <daedeloth> aah, ok, makes sense. I was looking at the wrong picture
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[10:42] <daedeloth> ah, yes, ok. And Vcc supplies the current that will go out of the Y things?
[10:42] <shiftplusone> yeah
[10:43] <daedeloth> so A input, Y output. Vcc supplier and GND is for the 3v circuit.
[10:43] <daedeloth> ok, got it, I think. I was going to do it completely wrong :)
[10:43] <shiftplusone> eh? "GND is for the 3v circuit"?
[10:43] <InControl> GND is in fact common to in and out
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[10:45] <InControl> Unless a circuit is isolated using an optocoupler or transformer the GND (Ground or -Ve) is common to all parts of the circuit.
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[10:47] <daedeloth> ah, yes, of course
[10:48] <shiftplusone> optocouplers are overkill in 99% of cases and in some cases you do want a higher or lower ground than the rest of the circuit on purpose, but this isn't one of those situations.
[10:48] <daedeloth> (but how much current can gnd sink then? or is it soo much that it doesn't matter?)
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[10:49] <shiftplusone> worry more about how much you can/should supply
[10:50] <shiftplusone> ground (kind of) closes the circuit, so you can't have more current going out then coming in anyway.
[10:50] <shiftplusone> but the more direct the ground path, the better.
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[10:55] <daedeloth> https://www.dropbox.com/s/cap4adzgxmdgp3b/2014-04-12%2010.52.44.jpg
[10:56] <daedeloth> so this is what I have for now:)
[10:56] <shiftplusone> the lines on the side might be a problem
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[10:56] <shiftplusone> (the positive and negatives ones)
[10:57] <daedeloth> too much loss?
[10:57] <shiftplusone> nuh, that's not it
[10:57] <shiftplusone> Instead of being just long lines that go all the way down the breadboard, it may be broken up
[10:57] <daedeloth> aaah, ok
[10:57] <shiftplusone> I'd ping it with a multimeter from top to bottom.
[10:57] <daedeloth> haven't tested it yet :) will do
[10:58] <daedeloth> they are connected :)
[10:58] <shiftplusone> sec. O
[10:58] <shiftplusone> I'll check the rest of it
[10:58] <InControl> The breadbaord looks like one that has rails all the way along
[10:59] <InControl> the ones that are split have a marking in the center
[10:59] <shiftplusone> I don't see ground connected
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[10:59] <InControl> Pin 10 needs to go to ground
[10:59] <InControl> the one on the bottom right
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[11:01] <shiftplusone> in my mind, the chip is inserted 'upside down', but it doesn't really matter.
[11:01] <InControl> So far you have the +5V connected and have enabled both sets of buffers by holding 1OE and 2OE low
[11:02] <InControl> But need also to connect pin 10 to GND
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[11:02] <daedeloth> hm I don't understand the 1OE and 2OEs yet
[11:03] <daedeloth> also to GND? to enable the set of 4?
[11:03] <shiftplusone> daedeloth, they 'enable' the buffers
[11:03] <InControl> They are basicly on/off switches
[11:03] <daedeloth> ok
[11:03] <shiftplusone> when they're disabled, the output is in high impedance mode, as if nothing is connected ont he output.
[11:03] <daedeloth> so 1OE, 2OE and GND to ground?
[11:04] <InControl> You pull 1OE low then buffers 1 to 4 are working
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[11:04] <InControl> How many buffered lines will you be uing ?
[11:04] <InControl> *using ?
[11:04] <daedeloth> 4
[11:04] <daedeloth> for now
[11:05] <daedeloth> so I can disable 2OE
[11:06] <n^izzo> Anyone done the radio pi project, if so what wire did you use and how effective was it?
[11:06] <shiftplusone> which radio pi project? the illegal fm transmitter?
[11:07] <InControl> daedeloth: You only need to enable one bank yes
[11:07] <InControl> I think you are starting at the wrong end so to speak
[11:07] <InControl> First thing to consider is the chip needs power
[11:07] <n^izzo> yea the FM transmitter
[11:08] <InControl> To power the chip it needs a +ve (5V) and -ve (GND) connection, that is where I would start.
[11:08] <daedeloth> ok
[11:08] <daedeloth> well that's in there now
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[11:09] <InControl> So you power the chip by supplying 5v to pin 20 (You have already done that bit)
[11:09] <InControl> And then connect pin 10 to GND
[11:09] <daedeloth> yep
[11:09] <InControl> So now you have power supplied to the chip and it is ready to go.
[11:10] <InControl> So next we look at what you want to the chip to do
[11:10] <n^izzo> shiftplusone, there are legal frequencies that people can transmit on
[11:10] <shiftplusone> n^izzo, nope. Not in this case.
[11:10] <InControl> in this case you want to convert 4x 3.3v signals into 5v signals
[11:11] <shiftplusone> n^izzo, 1) it's way too powerful 2) it's not CE approved as an FM transmitter 3) it has harmonics all over the spectrum.
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[11:11] <InControl> The chip you have has 8 inputs labelled 1A1 through to 2A4
[11:12] <InControl> They are arranged in to groups of 4
[11:12] <InControl> i.e 1A1-1A4 and 2A1-2A4
[11:13] <InControl> So the GPIO outputs from the Pi would be connected to 1A1 through to 1A4
[11:13] <InControl> But that wouldn't work on its own as 1OE is a master switch
[11:14] <InControl> That enables the outputs 1Y1 thorough to 1Y4
[11:14] <daedeloth> yep, got it, I think
[11:15] <InControl> So 1OE needs to be connected to ground in order to make those 4 outputs work.
[11:15] <InControl> You can ignore the other half of the chip for now as you are not using it.
[11:16] <daedeloth> So then I get this: https://www.dropbox.com/s/l9swy4a967ezaxy/2014-04-12%2011.15.17.jpg
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[11:16] <InControl> You still don't have the main ground connected to pin 10
[11:16] <gordonDrogon> morning.
[11:16] <shiftplusone> Hello
[11:16] <InControl> sorry yes you do
[11:16] <daedeloth> yes, at the bottom
[11:17] <InControl> hiding under that long wire I didn't see it
[11:17] <daedeloth> :)
[11:17] <daedeloth> the long wires are yucky
[11:17] <daedeloth> by the way, the named gpio's, what's up with those? I can just use them as regular gpio's, right? Or is that bad practice?
[11:17] <InControl> SO yes that looks corect
[11:18] <InControl> Now the 5V outputs will be 1Y1 - 1Y4
[11:19] <InControl> daedeloth: not sure what you mean about named GPIO
[11:20] <InControl> I would suggest test your circuit with an LED
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[11:20] <daedeloth> TXD, RXD, PCM_CLK, ...
[11:20] <gordonDrogon> they can all be used as regular gpios, but I'd avoid the Tx & Rx pins.
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[11:20] <gordonDrogon> at least initially.
[11:20] <daedeloth> ok
[11:21] <InControl> connect a LED and resistor between 1Y1 and GND and set your GPIO high and low to see the LED go on and off
[11:21] <InControl> If it works then you have done it correct and you can move on to connecting the 5V device you are trying to control
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[11:32] <daedeloth> hm I don't have resistors and I only have leds that came out of things that I don't even remember what they were
[11:33] <daedeloth> is there a good way to connect devices to a breadboard?
[11:34] <shiftplusone> what sort of devices?
[11:34] <daedeloth> steppermotor driver
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[11:34] <shiftplusone> why aren't the solid core wires you're using an option?
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[11:37] <daedeloth> yea, works, true
[11:37] <n^izzo> shiftplusone, do you know where I can see a graph of the transition spectrum
[11:38] <shiftplusone> n^izzo, no sir
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[12:02] <daedeloth> ok, it seems to work
[12:02] <daedeloth> but during startup I got some weird signals out of pin 7 & 8
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[12:03] <daedeloth> ce0 and ce1
[12:04] <daedeloth> I am going to guess those are used for something else. :p
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[12:07] <daedeloth> also I still have the stuttering, but I guess that's because the pulses are not perfectly timed
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[12:12] <daedeloth> is there a way to go a bit lower in the system to make them more in sync? or should I just connect an arduino to the pi?
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[13:42] <me_> Hi. I am wandering how the 'dd' command works. If the image of e.g. rasbian was made from device formated in fat32 then the sd card after applying the dd of rasbian image will also be a fat32 device?
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[13:55] <pksato> me_: dd is just a bit to bit copy tools.
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[13:57] <me_> pksato, what will happened if I will copy the image that was made from fat32 to sd formatted in ext2. What will become of the fs on the device.
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[13:58] <pksato> you have a fat32 after dd.
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[13:58] <pksato> or a not accessible SD.
[14:00] <pksato> exemple, not do it. dd if=/dev/zero of=/dev/sdx bs=4096 , it fill sd card (or /dev/sdx) with zeros.
[14:01] <me_> pksato, what determinants if it will become fat32 or inaccessible device in the first example?
[14:02] <pksato> if you use wrong device (partition) or other mistake.
[14:03] <ppq> for example, if the source SD has a higher capacity than the target SD, you're gonna have a problem
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[14:13] <me_> And if I use smaller img on a larger device it will still inherit the fs of the image on all the space?
[14:14] <ppq> yes
[14:15] <ppq> that is, on the partition
[14:15] <ppq> you can expand the partition to fill the whole SD, of course
[14:15] <ppq> then the filesystem will be expanded, too
[14:17] <me_> Thank you for your input gentleman!
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[14:21] <Encrypt> Hi everybody o/
[14:21] <nginben> Hello, is the maximum usb current output of the Pi 100mA and can this cause a usb stick to fail?
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[14:23] <Encrypt> nginben, It seems there is no maximum usb current output, apart from the 700mA limited by the Pi's Polyfuse
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[14:25] <TheInfinity> Hi, everyone. I have a problem with my mobile broadband (umts) stick. When I plug in in before booting the pi i can connect using wvdial without problems. Plugging it it in afterwards seems to make something different, connecting brings an error 16 by pppd and afterwards it does not find the carrier any more. it stays like this till next reboot. sometimes connection error by the „cdrom“ of the stick appear in syslog, too when i plu
[14:25] <TheInfinity> it in afterwards. any hints?
[14:26] <nginben> Encrypt: Thanks but do you have an idea, why openelec (xbmc) freezes with a messages that the usb stick was dismounted?
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[14:26] <Encrypt> nginben, Then I think that your Raspberry Pi isn't powered enough
[14:27] <Encrypt> Your power supply may not provide enough current to power both your Raspberry Pi and the USB stick
[14:27] <Encrypt> So it freezes
[14:27] <nginben> so maybe try another psu?
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[14:29] <Encrypt> nginben, Yes, I think
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[14:31] <nginben> I'll give it a try ;) thanks
[14:31] <nginben> are there any logs why dismounting a device?
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[14:33] <pksato> TheInfinity: and nginben , rpi usb ports have a problem with in rush (hotplug) and 'sudden´ power needs.
[14:33] <pksato> recomend use of external powered usb hub.
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[14:34] <nginben> is it useful to power the pi by the usb hub in order to use only one psu?
[14:34] <pksato> nginben: yes.
[14:35] <TheInfinity> pksato: ahhh ok. i’ll search for it.
[14:35] <Encrypt> nginben, I have done it on my Pi
[14:35] <Encrypt> And even something better
[14:35] <pksato> or modifications on usb power lines on rpi board.
[14:35] <Encrypt> nginben, https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/19626172/RPi.jpg
[14:36] <nginben> so one psu with around 2 A output -> usb hub --> pi and usb stick?
[14:36] <Encrypt> I have only one power supply to power the Hard Drive Dock, USB Keys and the Pi
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[14:37] <nginben> ah okay ;) and are there any recommandations for a hub?
[14:38] <Encrypt> I know that Dlink DUB-H4 / H7 work well
[14:38] <nginben> thanks ;)
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[14:47] <bonjurkes> hello all I have managed to set up my rasp pi as wifi hot spot, and I can connect to the ssid, but I can't reach to rasp now with ssh, getting time out. And I can't ping it also. What might be wrong?
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[14:56] <TheInfinity> pksato: added external power supply, no change in behaviour. :(
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[14:59] <pksato> :(
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[15:01] <TheInfinity> pksato: any other idea?
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[16:49] <binaryhermit> well, that was interesting... I bought 21 GBP of stuff from swag.rasberrypi.org, triggering a fraud call from my bank
[16:50] <binaryhermit> ...waking me up in the process
[16:51] <rosapoP> i have bought some strange stuff from strange places and never triggerd it
[16:52] <binaryhermit> I've had the card for almost 10 years and never made an international purchase, so I can see why it might cause a problem
[16:53] <binaryhermit> I wasn't suggesting the site was a scam
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[16:54] <rosapoP> that might be it
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[16:54] <binaryhermit> unless I bought In Rainbows on this card
[16:55] <binaryhermit> but I'm pretty sure I used a different card for that
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[16:57] <Solak> hmm, composite video or not (to monitor install)...
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[16:59] <Demon_Jester> Hey guys, my rpi is not adjusting to the correct time based on the time zone I am giving it. I went into sude raspi-config, and it was correct time for a little bit. Now, its two hours behind.
[16:59] <Demon_Jester> and idk why
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[16:59] <Demon_Jester> I restarted ntp, changed the servers in the .conf
[16:59] <Demon_Jester> still the wrong time.
[17:00] <linuxstb> Demon_Jester: Have you set the timezone in raspi-config?
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[17:00] <Demon_Jester> yes, I have, and that worked for a little bit, and now it stopped.
[17:00] <linuxstb> If you type "date" in the command-line, does that still display your correct timeone?
[17:01] <Demon_Jester> nope, that displays time two hours behind me.
[17:01] <Demon_Jester> its 10:01 here, its showing 8:01 on the rpi.
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[17:05] <atouk> does the date command display the correct time zone?
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[17:07] <x29a> Demon_Jester: two hours, where you at? europe? maybe utc?
[17:07] <Demon_Jester> no im in the U.S.
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[17:19] <blockh34d> morning
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[17:55] <blockh34d> anyone else going to boycott dropbox?
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[17:56] <blockh34d> i never had an account, always liked box.net better, but now its for sure, will never dropbox
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[18:19] <clever> blockh34d: what did they do?
[18:19] <blockh34d> hired condolezza rice
[18:19] <clever> ?
[18:19] <blockh34d> to board of directors or something
[18:19] <blockh34d> shes very anti privacy
[18:19] <clever> ah
[18:19] <blockh34d> basically a fascist
[18:19] <blockh34d> started the iraq war
[18:20] <blockh34d> probably 9/11'd us
[18:20] <blockh34d> bunch of scum bags, every one of them
[18:20] <blockh34d> sorry language
[18:20] <blockh34d> the whole bush crew should be banished to the wilderness forever imo
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[18:38] <AbbyTheRat_> Yeah, it's more then just the language. blockh34d
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[18:38] <AbbyTheRat_> but okie
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[19:53] <censor> hi all
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[19:54] <censor> are the instruction at http://elinux.org/RPi_Xorg_rpi_Driver still valid/recommended for trying _anything_ to get better X performance, or are they obsolete?
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[20:04] <andrewpoi> hey guys. so after my raspberry pi came with issues, i swapped it out for a new one at the store today
[20:04] <andrewpoi> so here's what's happening now
[20:05] <andrewpoi> i turn it on. no response from the tv. red light only. so i turn it off, remove SD card, slide it back in
[20:05] <andrewpoi> it boots up. i control the setup screen with my keyboard, then get it to reboot
[20:05] <andrewpoi> it turns off, and then just shows the red light again, no tv output
[20:06] <andrewpoi> as if the card is misinserted or something?! but how can it be? it hasn't moved since it was working...
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[20:08] <andrewpoi> advice?
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[20:16] <censor> how can i optimise Xorg so that i don't get 60% CPU Usage when there's something being quickly drawn in a browser? Midori uses only ~30% CPU
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[20:36] <Cheekio> So, can I directly controll a servo with the raspberry pi after flashing Raspbian?
[20:36] <Cheekio> Can raspbian do PWM output to pins is the question, I'd think.
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[20:46] <gordonDrogon> Cheekio, you can use the one hardware PWM to drive a single servo, or use a kernel module called servoblaster to drive lots.
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[21:30] <MProg> hi o/
[21:30] <joey8> .
[21:30] <MProg> .
[21:30] <MProg> ;)
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[21:34] <ShorTie> ;-)~
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[21:35] <MProg> hey ShorTie, there's a strange wiggly thing coming out of your mouth :o
[21:37] <ShorTie> and i'll never tell what it is, hehe.
[21:37] <MProg> :(
[21:37] <MProg> and you have a nose, I lost mine years ago :(
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[21:41] <ShorTie> with all the pulling the wife does to it, i feel like pinocchio .. :/~
[21:42] <MProg> and you have a wife
[21:42] <ShorTie> of 26 years
[21:43] <MProg> pff
[21:43] <ShorTie> they sure can be a pain, but it's what life is all about, imho
[21:44] <MProg> yep... they can be a pain ;p
[21:44] <MrVector-> Life is about pain? A bit masochistic...
[21:44] <MrVector-> :P
[21:45] <MProg> lool
[21:45] <MProg> :)
[21:46] <ShorTie> and 50/50 doesn't seem to work out very often, more like 90% give and 10% take, or so it seems
[21:46] <smeggysmeg> i'm having a lot of trouble printing from windows to raspbian. cups is good, i can print from raspbian. i can see the shared printer on windows. i can even add it. but print jobs go nowhere.
[21:48] <smeggysmeg> samba is such a pain
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[21:53] <MProg> image badly written to sdcard ?
[21:53] <MProg> corrupt sdcard ?
[21:54] <MProg> sdcard not inserted properly ?
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[21:58] <MProg> I'm bored
[21:58] <MarderIII> so find another hobby
[21:59] <MProg> like ?
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[21:59] <MarderIII> flyfishing, watching paint dry...
[22:00] <MProg> sounds like fun :p
[22:00] <MProg> :o
[22:00] <MProg> I happen to have a freshly painted wall downstairs !
[22:01] <MarderIII> go knock yourself out then.. :-)
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[22:01] <MProg> :p
[22:01] <MProg> I'm sure I could find better
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[22:02] <MarderIII> turn your raspberry into a jasper maybe?
[22:03] <MProg> a jasper ?
[22:03] <MProg> ah
[22:03] <Solak> MProg: one of the first two probably, because kubuntu doesn't recognize the card (anymore).
[22:03] <MProg> the voice thingy ?
[22:03] <MarderIII> yep
[22:04] <MarderIII> lacking a proper microphone though..
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[22:04] <MarderIII> Ordered a new one.. waiting impatiently.. :-)
[22:05] <MProg> ok Solak
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[22:05] <MProg> yep, I don't have a microphone :/
[22:05] * Solak wonders what went wrong...
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[22:06] <Solak> the cardreader light indicating an sdcard is inside works, so...
[22:07] <MProg> "doesn't recognize" at all ?
[22:07] <MProg> or just can't see/mount the partitions
[22:07] <MProg> ?
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[22:08] <Solak> MProg: normally I see it with fdisk -l, and a notification that I can mount it. though not this time.
[22:09] <MProg> :/
[22:09] <MProg> can you see it with "lsblk" ?
[22:10] <Solak> MProg: yes.
[22:10] <MProg> ah
[22:10] <Solak> MProg: I think the xzcat ... > /dev/sda1 went wrong...
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[22:10] <MProg> so you could try rewriting the image
[22:11] <Solak> MProg: problem is, how do I fix that?
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[22:12] <MProg> euh
[22:12] <MProg> what's this "xzcat ... > /dev/sda1" ?
[22:12] <Solak> MProg: image is raspbian-ua-netinst.img.xz (see https://github.com/hifi/raspbian-ua-netinst)
[22:13] <Solak> MProg: it unpacks the image and then writes it to the card.
[22:13] <MProg> yep I see
[22:13] <MProg> I was just wondering why you weren't using "dd"
[22:13] <MProg> but I see now
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[22:17] <MProg> hmm
[22:17] <MProg> it says "xzcat /path/to/raspbian-ua-netinst-latest.img.xz > /dev/sdX"
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[22:17] <Bitgod> ok
[22:17] <Bitgod> model b...512mb of ram
[22:18] <Bitgod> can this be upgraded?
[22:18] <MProg> shouldn't you be using /dev/sda (the sdcard) rather than /dev/sda1 (a partition on the sdcard) ?
[22:20] <Bitgod> nm got my answer
[22:20] <MProg> nope Bitgod
[22:20] <Solak> MProg: wouldn't that overwrite important data?
[22:21] <MProg> are you trying to save data on the sdcard ?
[22:22] <MProg> (assuming /dev/sda is your sdcard)
[22:22] <MProg> (check with lsblk)
[22:22] <Solak> MProg: my macbook gives the format option, so I can reformat it...
[22:24] <Solak> MProg: what do you mean by 'save'? The card was new, so whatever is on it can be erased... I just want the pi to boot from it :)
[22:24] <MProg> ok
[22:24] <MProg> well
[22:24] <MProg> check lsblk to identify the sdcard
[22:25] <MProg> (might be sdb, sdc, mmcblk0, etc)
[22:25] <Solak> it is now in the mac, so I guess the only thing I can do is reformat...
[22:26] <MProg> then use "xzcat /path/to/raspbian-ua-netinst-latest.img.xz > /dev/sdX"
[22:26] <Solak> problem is that I don't know what's wrong with the data on the card, it might work when I reformat it and follow the procedure for MacOS X...
[22:26] <MProg> where "/dev/sdX" is your sdcard
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[22:27] <Solak> MProg: I think it should still be FAT32, and writing the image corrupted that.
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[22:29] <MProg> the amount of partitions and different filesystems shouldn't change anything
[22:29] <MProg> it'll all get overwritten when you use the command they give you
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[22:31] <miceiken> any of you ever use this? http://www.woutervanwijk.nl/pimusicbox/
[22:33] <Solak> MProg: it works: the card is detected again by the pc (but in the mac it wasn't always recognized/available).
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[22:48] <miceiken> how is raspbian almost 3 gb
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[22:49] <Solak> MProg: it works, just reformatting with FAT32 and copying the files worked.
[22:49] <Solak> MProg: thanks for the help.
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[22:50] <shiftplusone> java + mathematica make up half a gig. You have Xorg and lots of python stuff pre-installed, that should add up to a bit. If you strip out all the junk (or start with a netinstall), you can get it to about 500-600MB
[22:51] <miceiken> shiftplusone, netinstall is the noobs image?
[22:51] <shiftplusone> nope
[22:52] <shiftplusone> https://github.com/hifi/raspbian-ua-netinst
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[22:53] <binaryhermit> stupid short question: the default raspbian image vrings up a sshd by default?
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[22:53] <binaryhermit> *brings
[22:53] <shiftplusone> yes
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[22:56] <binaryhermit> and i just bought like 9 16 gb sd cards for like $65
[22:59] <miceiken> nice shiftplusone imma try that one
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[23:00] <binaryhermit> is there a way to update a raspbian image from a AMD64 version of Debian? qemu maybe?
[23:00] <shiftplusone> I wrote a tutorial which may help http://xecdesign.com/qemu-emulating-raspberry-pi-the-easy-way/
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[23:01] <miceiken> hey shiftplusone how long do you reckon that netinst takes
[23:01] <shiftplusone> should say in the readme
[23:02] <shiftplusone> ~20 minutes or less-ish?
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[23:03] <ShorTie> Sweet, go me 2 free stn1110 can bus samples .. :-)~
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[23:23] <miceiken> hey shiftplusone, I accidently didnt choose the server preset. any where I can find some kind of one-liner to install that?
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