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IRC Log for 2014-04-14

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[0:41] <Zylek> Hi!
[0:42] <Zylek> Is anybody using Deluge?
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[0:44] <shiftplusone> Zylek, it's best to just ask the question.
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[0:45] <Zylek> I have used Deluge before, only it was straight-forward, I simply installed it, opened it, added a torrent file, and downloaded files.
[0:46] <shiftplusone> yup, it's still very much the same
[0:46] <Zylek> This is the first time I'm using it with this setup. I have Arch Linux installed, and Deluge is installed. I think it has a GUI, although am not sure how to use it.
[0:47] <Zylek> (I'm hoping my Raspberry Pi will have enough "muscle" to effectively download tv shows and movies.)
[0:47] <Zylek> I'd like to download episodes of shows directly to a separately mounted USB. How do I do that?
[0:47] <Zylek> Also, do magnets work?
[0:48] <Zylek> As an aside, after installing Arch, I only added xorg & fluxbox, and I'm installing any other programs on as as-needed basis.
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[0:53] <shiftplusone> Do you want the GUI or do you just want the daemon?
[0:53] <Zylek> I'd like to use the GUI.
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[0:53] <shiftplusone> You can have deluge running in the background, but then connect to it using the GUI (from another computer, even)
[0:54] <shiftplusone> In any case, I think everything you need is here https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/deluge
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[0:54] <Zylek> The daemon (server?) bit confused me. I've never (as far as I know) used the daemon before, unless it's a default part of the program when I open it to download shows/movies.
[0:54] <Zylek> Ah, cool. ...checking the link now.
[0:55] <shiftplusone> deluge has two modes. The one where you just open it and use it by itself is called classic mode
[0:55] <shiftplusone> the other mode has two separate components.
[0:56] <shiftplusone> so it can keep running in the background with no need for X.
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[0:59] <Zylek> Running it in the background is nice, I might do that in the future, although at present I'm generally using Deluge (on other systems) only for a short time.
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[1:00] <Zylek> I grab an episode, it downloads pretty fast, and I leave it on for a while to contribute some to the seeding before shutting it down.
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[1:01] <Zylek> I am currently watching videos on the USB by plugging it into my bluray player, so I can't leave the torrent application running in the background (unless I store them on another card/usb).
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[1:02] <Zylek> However, if I can get VLC or a similar player to effectively play videos on my Arch install, I will just watch shows on that.
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[1:02] <shiftplusone> omxplayer
[1:03] <Zylek> Yeah, I read a little bit about that, I am curious about it.
[1:03] * lupinedk is now known as Lupinedk
[1:04] <shiftplusone> newer version of vlc should support hw acceleration on the pi as well, but I don't know if that's the case right now in Arch's version.
[1:04] <Zylek> ah, okay, so omxplayer does have hw acc. on arch?
[1:04] <shiftplusone> yes
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[1:04] <shiftplusone> it's "the" hw accelerated player for the pi
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[1:05] <Zylek> very good, I'll just stick with that. I wonder if it has EQ features.
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[1:05] <shiftplusone> don't think it does
[1:06] <Zylek> bummer
[1:06] <Zylek> not a priority
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[1:08] <Zylek> just installed omxplayer & tboplayer
[1:09] <Zylek> ...hmmm, tboplayer had errors. for now i might just try omx via command line
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[1:10] <johnc-> I'm making a video playing in python now :0
[1:10] <johnc-> it's an example on how to use omx as an API :)
[1:11] <Zylek> cool
[1:11] <johnc-> having to learn python to do it lol
[1:12] <Zylek> I asked a friend a few years ago - someone who is a sys.admin. for Wolfram Research, a pretty smart person, he knows several programming languages - anyway... I asked him that if I chose 1 language to learn, which? He said Perl.
[1:12] <Zylek> However, he said Python would also be good.
[1:13] <Zylek> Although, he also said to learn several programming languages. lol
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[1:14] <Zylek> Wow! I just played a video on omxplayer (episode of Big Bang Theory). Love it!
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[1:15] <Zylek> I don't care for the quality of the sound so much but the video's pretty good.
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[1:15] <shiftplusone> using analog audio instead of hdmi?
[1:15] <Zylek> Ah ha! I just fixed it. I used -o hdmi
[1:15] <Zylek> yep lol
[1:16] <Zylek> now the sound is great, too. :)
[1:16] <johnc-> hehe
[1:16] <Zylek> Now to come up with a fluxbox menu shortcut to play videos.
[1:16] <Zylek> That might require a script
[1:17] <Zylek> (...and I still need to figure out Deluge. lol)
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[1:17] <Zylek> Going through that Arch site with the Deluge info.
[1:18] <johnc-> python isn't a super great language imo but a decent starting point
[1:18] <johnc-> perl is just terrible
[1:18] <johnc-> lol
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[1:20] <Zylek> <shrug> the extent of computer-type languages that I've explroed has been limited to remedial php for websites.
[1:21] <johnc-> php is where I started
[1:21] <Zylek> although i would like to pick up something like perl or python. i have that raspberry pi user guide (248 page soft-cover book) by Upton and Halfacree.
[1:21] <johnc-> now I'm deep into C/C++ and C#
[1:21] <Zylek> That book has a section dedicated to beginner programming.
[1:21] <johnc-> perl is from an older age
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[1:23] <Zylek> cool. any language that is more widely used on either *nix systems or dedicated servers (of the LAMP variety) would be more interesting to me.
[1:25] <Zylek> in that pi book, Chapter 11: An Introduction to Python.
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[1:27] <aName> So I've been seeing these 'RGB LED Strips' and I want to do some programmable accent lighting for my home. Does anyone have experience with these? I can't find much in the way of specs, in terms of power use, light output and such
[1:27] <Zylek> I'd like to create a very basic executable script called "omx" that runs omxplayer -hdmi $1
[1:27] <Zylek> ...oh wait, I've got it.
[1:28] <johnc-> you could just edit the one already on the system
[1:28] <Zylek> ...erm with -o hdmi
[1:28] <Zylek> ah, good point
[1:28] <johnc-> when you use "omxplayer" it's just passing your arguments to omxplayer.bin
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[1:28] <johnc-> through a script called omxplayer :)
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[1:40] <Zylek> okay, "z" key didn't respond well on omxplayer, had to force a cold boot
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[1:41] <shiftplusone> omxplayer is a bit silly when it comes to handling inputs
[1:41] <shiftplusone> it reads stdin, I think.
[1:41] <shiftplusone> so you need a terminal windows open if you're running it from X.
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[1:43] <Zylek> good idea
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[1:43] <Zylek> it auto full screen, is there a way to "window" the video in omxplayer?
[1:43] <Zylek> oh wait i see there is
[1:43] <Zylek> in --help page
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[1:49] <Zylek> weird question, but why does my xterm now say "@alarmpi"?
[1:49] <Zylek> I don't remember it saying "alarm" before
[1:50] <shiftplusone> ArchLinuxARM-PI
[1:50] <shiftplusone> it's your hostname
[1:50] <ShorTie> you put arch on ??
[1:50] <Zylek> strange lol yeah arch :)
[1:50] <shiftplusone> why strange?
[1:50] <Zylek> i must be thinking of when i had another install the otehr day
[1:50] <[Saint]> Echo whatever you want to it.
[1:50] <[Saint]> Its entirely arbitrary.
[1:51] <Zylek> Ah, cool. How do I change it?
[1:51] <ShorTie> 'nano -w /etc/hostname' makes it what ever you want
[1:51] <Zylek> cool :D
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[1:52] <[Saint]> You can just do "echo blah > /etc/hostname" too.
[1:52] <[Saint]> And editor is a bit heavy handed for a single line.
[1:52] <[Saint]> *an editor
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[1:53] <Zylek> ah, the hostname = static. i'd like to change the transient hostname
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[2:00] <clever> Zylek: just run 'sudo hostname newname'
[2:00] <clever> some programs like xterm and bash wont notice the change, since they only check it at startup, re-run them
[2:00] <clever> X may also need to be restarted
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[2:01] <Zylek> I was just wondering that. It didn't change in the terminal display, although it did change in the file.
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[2:02] <clever> the only connecting between the actual hostname and /etc/hostname, is that the OS will set it to match the file on bootup
[2:02] <clever> once its done booting, there is no real connection
[2:02] <[Saint]> Logout, login, done.
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[2:03] <[Saint]> Or, piss around restarting everything that cares about it.
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[2:03] <[Saint]> I find the former easier.
[2:03] <clever> i just restart one bash to verify, then ignore the issues
[2:03] <clever> they will clear out on their own after time
[2:04] <Zylek> it's all good
[2:04] <Zylek> I'm back to figuring out how to run Deluge in Arch.
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[2:07] <[Saint]> Friend/coworker is irate about Ubuntu One shutting down. Switches to Mint. Brags about it on G+.
[2:07] <[Saint]> Oh, the irony.
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[2:07] <Zylek> ubuntu one?
[2:08] <[Saint]> Basically Canonical's version of Dropbox.
[2:08] <Zylek> I haven't used Ubuntu in a, well, I haven't upgraded my old Ubuntu in years.
[2:08] <Zylek> ah
[2:09] <[Saint]> People are getting all up in arms over them closing the service down to concentrate on more important areas.
[2:09] <Zylek> I tried running Deluge's GUI, which uses GTK+. I have GTK+ & dependencies installed, yet it doesn't load. Any idea why?
[2:09] <[Saint]> Forgetting they got a service for free.
[2:09] <[Saint]> Entitlement is hilarious.
[2:09] <Zylek> was the ubuntu one service free? that would be a pretty good deal if the cloud space had a fair share of storage available.
[2:09] <Zylek> ah free okay
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[2:10] <[Saint]> There's many many many other services that offer similar or greater storage capacity for free.
[2:10] <[Saint]> Its no loss at all.
[2:10] <[Saint]> But people love to complain when they feel wronged.
[2:10] <Zylek> dropbox recently gave me 50gigs of space for 1 year for free
[2:10] <Zylek> i hardly ever use it
[2:11] <[Saint]> I have 500GB of Mega storage.
[2:11] <[Saint]> Used maybe 2GB of it.
[2:11] <[Saint]> (Came with my telephony/internet service plan)
[2:12] <Zylek> I'm considering just using another torrent client instead of deluge
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[2:13] <[Saint]> Raspi is a bit of a poor performer with torrents anyway. Can you not avoid using it?
[2:13] <[Saint]> If you can, do.
[2:14] <Zylek> yeah, i could use another system/device.
[2:14] <[Saint]> Problem is the cap on throughput. You're vastly limited by it.
[2:14] <Zylek> although would like to steer clear of torrenting things on a tablet, so I can use it for other things while downloading.
[2:14] <Zylek> cap as in the limit on download speed?
[2:15] <Zylek> or physical ability to transfer more than X data due to the system?
[2:15] <Zylek> (inability)
[2:16] <[Saint]> A combination of both. USB and NIC are sharing the same bus. Too much IO and NIC throughput goes to crap. Too much NIC throughput and IO goes to crap.
[2:16] <Zylek> ah
[2:16] <Zylek> hmm
[2:16] <[Saint]> Heavy network traffic can take down the whole system.
[2:16] <[Saint]> Fun times.
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[2:18] <Zylek> Well, recently, I've been downloading via wifi to a micro-sd card in my tablet (android (samsung galaxy 10.1 "tab 3")), and 1 episode (42 minutes) downloads in about 5 minutes and 1 90-120 minute movie downloads in a little over 10 or 15 minutes (those are only 480p)
[2:18] <Zylek> I've been gradually transitioning into 720p videos
[2:19] <Zylek> although, I really like the fast download speeds of the 480p. some 720p vids aren't that much better.
[2:19] <Zylek> the 1080p videos are the only really good ones, and only movies have that. i haven't found tv show episodes with that quality.
[2:20] <[Saint]> I'd be kicking myself in the face if I used a raspi for torrenting, as my connection(s) can push ~40Mb/s down the line.
[2:20] <[Saint]> I'd never get close to that with a pi.
[2:21] <Zylek> I only have a 6Mb/s ISP speed
[2:21] <Zylek> basic DSL
[2:21] <Zylek> although i am soon switching to 1Gb/s.
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[2:22] <[Saint]> Theoretical or actual?
[2:22] <Zylek> google fiber
[2:22] <[Saint]> Ah. Theoretical. Right.
[2:22] <Zylek> lol
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[2:23] <Zylek> although their actual speeds will still be faster than the competition's actual speeds
[2:23] <johnc-> google fiber is doing good on it's speeds
[2:23] <johnc-> I store all my videos on a NAS and stream them to my pi
[2:23] <[Saint]> Right. But its not even close to 1Gb/s down AFAIK.
[2:24] <Zylek> I'll have to test it when my "fiberhood" is ready to go
[2:24] <[Saint]> I run two bonded VDSL2 lines.
[2:24] <[Saint]> Mother nature decided I can't have fiber yet.
[2:25] <johnc-> I get a good 110Mbps from my isp
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[2:25] <Zylek> there's a big fat downside to the gigabit stuff... you can only go as fast as the slowest service.
[2:25] * [Saint] nods
[2:25] <Zylek> heh. yeah mother google. or google nature. lol
[2:26] <[Saint]> I get to jump the fiber queue in about 2 months.
[2:26] <Zylek> larry page is throwing wifi balloons up in the air in an effort (i believe currently experimental) toward making wifi available in the least likely of places
[2:26] <[Saint]> My idiot neighbor is paying to run his own cable ahead of schedule.
[2:26] <Zylek> page, co-creator of google
[2:27] <[Saint]> I'll let him. Hell...I'm not paying for it.
[2:27] <Zylek> or co-founder/etc.
[2:27] <[Saint]> Then I get to jump on the line he paid for for free. Yay me.
[2:27] <Zylek> wow. yeah let the neighbor have at it. lol
[2:27] <[Saint]> Indeed.
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[2:28] <johnc-> woot, got threading in python to work!
[2:28] <[Saint]> I'm in Christchurch, NZ BTW. Not sure its common knowledge but we had all those earthquakes a while back which decimated the fiber rollout three times in a row.
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[2:28] <[Saint]> We insist on below ground cabling.
[2:28] <Zylek> you're a kiwi? or from elsewhere?
[2:28] <[Saint]> Born and raised.
[2:29] <Zylek> cool
[2:29] <Zylek> i know a girl out there, a penpal.
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[2:29] <Zylek> i've always wanted to visit NZ, just have to get around to it.
[2:29] <Zylek> actually, she's from very close to christchurch
[2:30] <Zylek> i forget the exact town
[2:30] <Zylek> so if you were to use a torrent client on raspberry pi, which would you use?
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[2:31] <[Saint]> Its a remarkable place. I've not been anywhere quite like it. From where I am now I can drive for 30 minutes and get to the ocean, mountain ranges, river flats, pasture land, plantations, and I live right in the city center.
[2:32] <[Saint]> Lucky boy, methinks.
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[2:32] <shiftplusone> transmission is the torrent client most people use
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[2:32] <Zylek> yeah, i'm a big fan of nature, including mountains, ocean, etc. ...nz would be an ideal place for me. i used to live near mountains in the mainland u.s. and i thrived there.
[2:32] <[Saint]> Does transmission handle CLI only?
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[2:33] <Zylek> then i lived in a very boring, flat land, horrible climate type area for a while, hated it
[2:33] <shiftplusone> it does
[2:33] <[Saint]> I'd try go for a CLI client if I could.
[2:33] <Zylek> transmission for torrents, okay cool
[2:33] <shiftplusone> I'm a fan of rtorrent+screen.
[2:33] <Zylek> yeah, i'm going to have to do CLI onliy
[2:33] <[Saint]> But I don't torrent on the pi for above mentioned reasons.
[2:33] <Zylek> only
[2:34] <Zylek> hmmm, okay so it's between rtorrent and transmission
[2:34] <Zylek> i can see how screen could come in handy
[2:34] <Zylek> i haven't used that program in years
[2:35] <[Saint]> The only thing I'd say is bad about NZ (and I'm stereotyping here) is that we're incredibly racist. :)
[2:35] <Zylek> oh wow, how so?
[2:35] <[Saint]> Its mostly subconscious but were jot terribly fond of tourists.
[2:36] <[Saint]> *not
[2:36] <Zylek> sounds kind of like hawaiians
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[2:36] <[Saint]> Similar, yes.
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[2:36] <Zylek> hawaiian natives, although not always the case, are often not too fond of others on the islands
[2:37] <Zylek> actually, racism also plays into it over there
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[2:39] <Zylek> which is more popular? rtorrent or transmission?
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[2:39] <[Saint]> In general, I'd say transmission.
[2:40] <[Saint]> But only because many distros use it as the default client.
[2:40] <Zylek> ah
[2:42] <Zylek> on a message board someone who said they have used deluge, rtorrent, and transmission all extensively compared them like this...
[2:42] <Zylek> transmission integrated into ubuntu but wasn't that user's taste
[2:43] <Zylek> rtorrent most powerful and light one but difficult to configure
[2:43] <Zylek> deluge is their favorite, easy and good performance
[2:43] <Zylek> although they're not talking about using them on a credit card sized computer lol
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[2:44] <[Saint]> And their taste/preference doesn't necessarily align with your own.
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[2:44] <[Saint]> Nothing beats personal experience.
[2:45] <Zylek> true
[2:45] <shiftplusone> I use deluge on my desktop too
[2:45] <Zylek> i have used deluge for a long time, on full OSs. on my tablet i'm using "atorrent" (for android) although only because it has no cap on download speed
[2:45] <shiftplusone> it's python, but still light
[2:46] <Zylek> most android-compatible (free) apps seem to have limits on speeds
[2:46] <shiftplusone> what about utorrent?
[2:46] <shiftplusone> (for android)
[2:46] <Zylek> haven't tried it but i think it only has unlimited DL speed if purchased
[2:46] <shiftplusone> hm
[2:47] <Zylek> at least, most of the apps are like that
[2:47] <shiftplusone> the tagline says otherwise "Light. Limitless. And now, wherever you are. Introducing the official µTorrent Android App."
[2:47] <Zylek> heh
[2:47] <[Saint]> I use Swarm for Android.
[2:47] <Zylek> <shrug> maybe they offer unlimited now
[2:47] <Zylek> (for free)
[2:47] <[Saint]> Not free, but very light and powerful.
[2:47] <shiftplusone> " Go limitless with the free µTorrent App for Android smartphone and tablet devices."
[2:47] <Zylek> swarm? i have to look taht up. i'm happy with atorrent but i like testing otehrs out
[2:48] <[Saint]> Swarm isn't terribly well known.
[2:48] <[Saint]> But the Dev is responsive.
[2:48] <[Saint]> And its fast and light.
[2:48] <retrosenator> what is wrong with bittorrent-curses?
[2:48] <retrosenator> or transmission?
[2:48] <shiftplusone> retrosenator, how did the thing go last night? Got them gears up and spinning?
[2:49] <[Saint]> S/he did.
[2:49] <retrosenator> shiftplusone: I got opencpn working
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[2:49] <[Saint]> In a hilariously convoluted fashion...but, it worked.
[2:49] <[Saint]> At least I saw reports of success.
[2:49] <shiftplusone> Was X also visible or was it all black and just opencpn visible?
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[2:50] <retrosenator> shiftplusone: I had to use raspi2png to see it
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[2:50] * shiftplusone kicks evil_dan2wik's router.
[2:50] <retrosenator> shiftplusone: so, with x11vnc I could see the x stuff, and the other windows, and raspi2png I could see the gl surface
[2:51] <retrosenator> shiftplusone: but then somehow when using opencpn to render vector charts it would get the driver in a bad state and I had to reboot the pi
[2:51] <shiftplusone> hm
[2:51] <[Saint]> shiftplusone: not sure if I asked already or not but is there a particular reason this channel sets +R?
[2:51] <retrosenator> shiftplusone: and this is very easy to do.. once in this state, raspi2png runs and never exits
[2:51] <[Saint]> It seems to set a rather high bar for support.
[2:51] <retrosenator> shiftplusone: so from what I can tell the bcm_host drivers are buggy
[2:52] <shiftplusone> [Saint], I agree, it would be good to try without it and see how it goes.
[2:52] <retrosenator> I wish I could try the ones that are fully open but use the arm instead of the video core
[2:52] <shiftplusone> retrosenator, they use the VC, just not the VPU.
[2:53] <[Saint]> shiftplusone: then you guys could put a web client link in the forums
[2:53] <retrosenator> and the etc1 compression appeared to work but was slow enough that it seemed like the driver was emulating it
[2:53] <[Saint]> (Rockbox does this)
[2:54] <retrosenator> shiftplusone: in any case I found a few more bugs in glshim...
[2:54] <Zylek> ok real life calls
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[2:56] <retrosenator> shiftplusone: I thought the open driver uses the arm to directly drive the v3d cores
[2:56] <Zylek_AFK> on second thought, time to log out. later!
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[2:57] <shiftplusone> [Saint], it's probably just laziness on our behalf. Sometimes you get people in #raspbian and other pi channels without +R where they'd just be a pain to babysit. Asking the same question over and over, even though they have been answered and so on. Then you have trolls which banwalk and +R is a good deterrent. Given the channel's rules it would just be unpleasant. If anything it needs a complete policy overhaul, but that's not going t
[2:57] <shiftplusone> o happen. =(
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[2:58] <shiftplusone> retrosenator, yeah, why is that bad? Instead of having the VPU create the control lists, you do it on ARM. The ARM is much faster anyway. But take whatever I say here with a grain of salt, I haven't played around with the VC too much.
[2:58] <[Saint]> shiftplusone: one option is setting +M and autovoicing everyone on join. Then just set -v on the annoying ones if they pop up so they don't flood the channel.
[2:59] <retrosenator> shiftplusone: I don't know if it is faster, but maybe it isn't as buggy
[2:59] <[Saint]> Coupled with a greeter that shoves the rules down their throat.
[2:59] <[Saint]> Entrtymsg.
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[3:00] <retrosenator> [Saint]: this is freenode isn't it?
[3:00] <shiftplusone> retrosenator, the clock speed on the GPU is quite low. It's fast because it can operate on a lot of data in a single instruction. That's not something that's used when putting together control lists.
[3:00] <johnc-> then you get join/part spammers
[3:01] <[Saint]> retrosenator: err...where are you going with that?
[3:01] <retrosenator> shiftplusone: yeah.. well really I just need fast triangle drawing and texture mapping support
[3:01] <[Saint]> I understand the barriers, but if anything it only points to the fact that you guys are under staffed.
[3:01] <shiftplusone> We had autovoice for a while, it was a bit silly.
[3:01] <[Saint]> Its useless without moderation.
[3:02] <retrosenator> shiftplusone: for this application it may well be better without the video core
[3:02] <shiftplusone> clever, your library can do that, can't it?
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[3:03] <[Saint]> Anyway, yeah - I've said my bit. I understand why this was done but it is a bit backwards and could be mitigated by having more active ops.
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[3:04] <[Saint]> A support channel should try to be as accessible as possible.
[3:04] <shiftplusone> Hard to find people who 1) are active 2) would actively moderate 3) don't break the rules themselves
[3:04] <[Saint]> But maybe I'm misunderstanding the purpose of the channel.
[3:04] <shiftplusone> nuh, you're absolutely right.
[3:04] <shiftplusone> it's just you know.... reasons.
[3:05] <[Saint]> shiftplusone: I'll put my hand up for consideration but AFAIK you and I are in the same timezone and are mostly active at the same times.
[3:05] <[Saint]> I'm also known to slip on number 3 occasionally ;)
[3:05] <[Saint]> Not for a while, though.
[3:05] <shiftplusone> I've already recommended you a while back (you failed on the 3) >.>
[3:06] <retrosenator> op abuse is common
[3:06] <[Saint]> It...what?
[3:06] <retrosenator> we have 10 levels of ops.. in another channel.. so I was level 5 and an op who was level 6 decided to ban me
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[3:07] <[Saint]> Sounds like the channel is set up very badly.
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[3:08] <johnc-> 10 levels of ops lol
[3:08] <johnc-> it's IRC not security infrastructure
[3:08] <[Saint]> I can't think of a good reason for that, but maybe there is one.
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[3:08] <retrosenator> yes well this is freenode
[3:08] <[Saint]> Sounds more like people want a letter beside their name. :)
[3:09] <retrosenator> then of course global ops or administrators are above those
[3:09] <johnc-> freenode does seem a bit...
[3:10] <retrosenator> the lower levelops can only voice and devoice people, next level can kick and ban, next level can change topic, then higher up you can give someone a lower op
[3:10] <johnc-> well, channel owners take IRC super cereal
[3:10] <retrosenator> some channels we had voice, half-op, op, and admin
[3:11] <shiftplusone> Freenode seems fine for what it is. I can usually pop into a channel, ask a question and get a helpful response, if the channel is not dead.
[3:11] <retrosenator> I was admin so I could kline people and stuff
[3:11] <clever> shiftplusone: hmmm, *looks up*
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[3:12] <shiftplusone> clever, re: retrosenator's vc talk.
[3:12] <retrosenator> and then.. you have to power to make chanserv kick and ban people for you, so no one knows you did it
[3:12] <clever> retrosenator: what did you want to know about the 3d core?
[3:13] <retrosenator> clever: I want to run opengles using the arm and v3d core
[3:13] <clever> i think thats what the source broadcom relased was doing, and what the winning project did
[3:13] <shiftplusone> clever, he's using glshim to run opencpn, but it's messing things up. He says all he needs is triangles and texture mapping, which your library seems to be capable of.
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[3:13] <clever> ah
[3:14] <clever> retrosenator: how many textures?
[3:14] <retrosenator> clever: I manage to get the closed driver in a bad state and I have to reboot
[3:14] <retrosenator> clever: maybe 20-50 textures
[3:14] <retrosenator> clever: 512x512 compressed with etc1
[3:14] <clever> ah, my driver only supports 1 right now, it needs to merge them all into a single image
[3:14] <retrosenator> the closed driver is really really slow to upload etc1, I think it's emulating it
[3:14] <[Saint]> Hmmm...I wonder if a staffer could give you stats on how many people bounce off the channel due to lack of registration.
[3:15] <[Saint]> But I'm unsure if this is or can be logged.
[3:15] <[Saint]> Maybe its not an issue at all...
[3:15] <retrosenator> clever: this program is the opposite because there is too much texture memory to fix in 1 texture
[3:15] <clever> retrosenator: you could maybe make an image thats ~4096x4096, holding an 8x8 grid of 512x512 textures
[3:15] <retrosenator> also I got glGetError of 0x505 (out of memory)
[3:15] <clever> let me check the figures...
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[3:15] <shiftplusone> [Saint], it is an issue. I often see people saying they can't access the channel and don't know why.
[3:16] <clever> retrosenator: ouch, 67mb for that mega-texture, at 32bbp
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[3:16] <retrosenator> clever: I'm using mipmaps for all of them as well...
[3:16] <retrosenator> ClarusCogitatio: normally it's compressed so only 4bpp
[3:16] <retrosenator> ClarusCogitatio -> clever
[3:16] <clever> thats about 8mb!?
[3:16] <retrosenator> which is nothing right?
[3:16] <clever> yeah
[3:16] <retrosenator> I should have 128mb at least
[3:17] <clever> do you want an SDL api, or can you handle a raw unfinished interface?
[3:17] <retrosenator> I'm using wxwidgets... so I need gtk
[3:17] <clever> ah
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[3:17] <retrosenator> but that bit works directly to framebuffer without acceleration which is ok
[3:17] <clever> my driver only works under SDL right now
[3:17] <retrosenator> so no egl?
[3:17] <clever> correct
[3:17] <clever> full desktop opengl
[3:18] <clever> via SDL
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[3:18] <shiftplusone> clever, I know you're doing a lot of things, but it would be interesting to get a glshim-like lib.
[3:18] <clever> (with 90% of the api NOP'd out)
[3:18] <retrosenator> so it isn't a full desktop opengl
[3:18] <clever> its claiming to be full desktop opengl
[3:18] <clever> but most of the api is missing
[3:18] <retrosenator> why don't you target gles?
[3:18] <retrosenator> then use glshim
[3:18] <clever> i was testing it out on wowmapview
[3:19] <retrosenator> I know
[3:19] <shiftplusone> glshim is a toy, it's not useful for real applications.
[3:19] <retrosenator> a gallium driver would be better
[3:19] <clever> and i know nothing of 3d :P
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[3:19] <clever> let me grab the guide i pieced together
[3:19] <retrosenator> shiftplusone: if works a lot better on the cubie truck with mali graphics
[3:19] <[Saint]> shiftplusone: bluntly put, but rather correct.
[3:20] <shiftplusone> A gallium/mesa driver is the end goal. It's why the 10k challenge was issued.
[3:20] <[Saint]> Grrrr.
[3:20] <retrosenator> then why did they give out the 10k already?
[3:20] <[Saint]> That rattles my cage.
[3:20] <clever> was just about to ask that
[3:20] <shiftplusone> to get the ball rolling
[3:20] <retrosenator> oh, so there is more money?
[3:20] <[Saint]> I really think they dropped the ball on that one.
[3:20] <clever> retrosenator: first, youll want to build v3d2.ko, https://github.com/cleverca22/v3d2
[3:20] <shiftplusone> to get something capable of getting the pixels there and being functional
[3:21] <clever> the dkms directions are a bit messed up, it gives you an older kernel thats unstable
[3:21] <[Saint]> Poor wording I guess.
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[3:21] <[Saint]> That guy definitely met the goals of the challenge, but the result is pretty much useless.
[3:21] <retrosenator> well didn
[3:21] <retrosenator> he.. have egl and gles?
[3:21] <[Saint]> I was rather hoping clever picked it up.
[3:21] <shiftplusone> It's not useless to people wanting to implement a proper driver.
[3:22] <[Saint]> Not entirely, no. But its less useful than what I believe the preferred outcome should have been.
[3:23] <[Saint]> The scope of the challenge was rather limited and allowed for this to happen, though.
[3:23] <shiftplusone> If you think about it, there are only a handful of people who can make the 'proper' driver happen.
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[3:24] <clever> shiftplusone: ive got most of the kernel end in place, the issue ive got is with how exactly to make the 3d core do 3d
[3:24] <retrosenator> yes, it isn't easy work
[3:24] <clever> all i can get out of it is 2d
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[3:24] <retrosenator> clever: well didn't the other guy run quake at 100fps or faster?
[3:25] <clever> i was getting ~260 fps on a single triangle spinning
[3:25] <johnc-> woo triangles
[3:25] <clever> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V6ogpgieJrQ
[3:25] <[Saint]> 1D ought to be enough for everybody.
[3:26] <johnc-> clever, that required su perms?!
[3:26] <clever> johnc-: yeah, the v3d node wasnt world writtable at the time, and the api to get the dispmanx phy addr isnt secured either
[3:26] <shiftplusone> There are people who can do various parts. Some people know how to write a 3d driver, other people know linux internals, others know the hardware inside out, but I can't think of any one person who knows all of these things.
[3:26] <clever> the dispmanx api also allows you to execute raw code on the VPU
[3:27] <clever> shiftplusone: yeah, thats why i'm stuck
[3:27] <shiftplusone> The current (good) plan is to get some design docs written up and have the 3d driver people look over them to make sure it's sound.
[3:28] <[Saint]> shiftplusone: clever: I'm rather surprised the challenge didn't inspire a collaborative effort.
[3:28] <[Saint]> Immensely so, in fact.
[3:28] <clever> i was working with phire in #raspberrypi-internals, and he helped me learn how the QPU works
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[3:28] <clever> i was able to write the texture shader with his help
[3:28] <clever> which got me this far: http://gallery.earthtools.ca/index.py/v3d2/out.png
[3:28] <shiftplusone> he is one of those people who could get the ball rolling, but he seems busy with work.
[3:28] <clever> textured fonts to render the main menu in wowmapview
[3:29] <clever> but i'm currently using my own SDL backend, which lacks the entire input layer
[3:29] <[Saint]> I guess those working on it with a view to capture the challenge rather liked the idea of not splitting said 10K.
[3:29] <clever> so i cant select anything from that menu
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[3:29] <shiftplusone> [Saint], the impression people got was that the driver had to be done by one person rather than a group, though I could not find any such rule in the announcement.
[3:30] <clever> and even if i hardcode the program to preload a map, the 3d support is entirely missing
[3:30] <clever> http://gallery.earthtools.ca/index.py/v3d2/2014_03200006.JPG
[3:30] <clever> [Saint]: this is one of my tests of the texture, to make alpha blending work right
[3:30] <retrosenator> clever: why don' you deal with input at all? Just implement egl and run sdl on top of that
[3:30] <clever> the holes in the blue letters allow the red letters to show thru
[3:31] <[Saint]> shiftplusone: I was thinking similarly, I looked over it a few times and couldn't find anything that excluded collaboration.
[3:31] <clever> retrosenator: didnt know enough about egl at the time
[3:31] <l_r> shiftplusone, what driver
[3:31] <[Saint]> I was thinking it boiled down to not wanting to share but perhaps that is a bit pessimistic.
[3:32] <[Saint]> A lot, I guess.
[3:32] <shiftplusone> l_r, the 10k challange driver.
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[3:33] <clever> retrosenator: https://gist.github.com/cleverca22/10609835 this is the piece i wrote to make SDL happy
[3:34] <retrosenator> well sdl has all the input already, and should sit on egl, so I would avoid dealing with it directly
[3:34] <clever> retrosenator: from what i can see in the SDL source, each video driver has its own input (but some can call the input code of another to share)
[3:34] <retrosenator> that way you can also use glut, but also toolkits like gtk and qt which support opengl
[3:34] <clever> retrosenator: so the glx stuff will use x11 for input for example
[3:34] <clever> but i'm running it without X
[3:35] <retrosenator> so you use the fbdev style input
[3:35] <clever> sort of, i'm also totaly ignoring the framebuffer
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[3:35] <clever> all output is done via dispmanx
[3:35] <retrosenator> I know, but for keyboard input you use the same
[3:35] <clever> i was thinking of tossing libusb or libhib in to handle the keyb/mouse
[3:36] <retrosenator> isn't there /dev/mouse?
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[3:36] <clever> oh yeah, forgot about that
[3:36] <retrosenator> it's been a while since I used a mouse on the console
[3:36] <clever> yeah
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[3:36] <clever> man 4 mouse
[3:36] <retrosenator> and gpm
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[3:37] <clever> thats an idea
[3:37] <retrosenator> I wrote glut for software based rendering on fbdev a long time ago
[3:37] <retrosenator> so it was all software but at least I could run a lot of stuff without x
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[3:39] <clever> retrosenator: the 3 main parts connecting that SDL gist to the other code, is initOpenGL, setViewportSize, and stopOpenGl
[3:40] <clever> those custom functions had to be tossed in because i cant see anything in the gl api to handle it
[3:40] <clever> once those are done, the lib i wrote can do everything via normal gl calls
[3:40] <l_r> afaik the driver has not to be perfect to win the 10k
[3:40] <retrosenator> just enough to run quake
[3:41] <shiftplusone> l_r, it was already won (and it was certainly not perfect)
[3:41] <clever> from what i understand, glu is the library that would normally handle initOpenGL/setViewportSize/stopOpenGl ???
[3:41] <l_r> who did it?
[3:41] <retrosenator> no
[3:41] <shiftplusone> Simon Hall
[3:41] <shiftplusone> ophcrack
[3:41] <retrosenator> glu is gl utilities
[3:41] <clever> glu handles the returning a standardized gl surface?
[3:41] <clever> fetching it via platform specific api?
[3:41] <shiftplusone> guy who did DMA work on the pi previously and had a go at accelerating X
[3:41] <retrosenator> no
[3:42] <clever> retrosenator: am i thinking of something else?
[3:42] <l_r> ok i ll avoid it then
[3:42] <l_r> thx
[3:42] <retrosenator> clever: glu generates mipmaps, and does tesselation and stuff, it is not required by most applications
[3:42] <clever> retrosenator: how do normal apps get a GL surface created then?
[3:42] <l_r> one person behind one big thing only partially working
[3:42] <l_r> i really do not see the point
[3:43] <retrosenator> ShadowJK: what about ophcrack? I used that a long time ago to get thousands of passwords from all the students and professors when I was in school
[3:43] <retrosenator> ShadowJK: > shiftplusone (my tab completion is broken sometimes)
[3:43] <retrosenator> clever: using either wgl, or glx or egl or...
[3:43] <clever> retrosenator: ah
[3:43] <retrosenator> clever: you mut implement egl
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[3:44] <shiftplusone> retrosenator, nick of the guy who claimed the 10k was something like that.... I forgot what it actually was and ophcrack was what came to mind >.>
[3:44] <clever> retrosenator: hmmm, got a simple egl demo app that i can play with?
[3:45] <clever> retrosenator: i could compile/run it on the laptop to get the expected output, then just beat my driver with a hammer until it obeys and does the same! lol
[3:45] <retrosenator> shiftplusone: I used ophcrack and got the admin password, then I could remotely access every machine in every computer lab, so I had scripts log into all a few hundred of them and run ophcrack to crack more and more passwords
[3:45] <retrosenator> actually.. it used all the processing power to generate the rainbow tables
[3:45] <shiftplusone> retrosenator, probably not the best thing to share on IRC >_<
[3:45] <retrosenator> this is like 10 years ago
[3:45] <clever> ive done similar
[3:46] <clever> they had novel crap-ware installed as the shell
[3:46] <clever> if you close the shell, it doesnt respond
[3:46] <clever> leaving you with just a pointer, and nothing else
[3:46] <clever> no desktop, no task bar
[3:46] <clever> respawn*
[3:46] <clever> i fixed every system in the lab, returned them all to explorer shell
[3:46] <retrosenator> I never did anything bad.. but it was interesting to see that 15% of people kept the default password (social security number) and about 50% use a password of the form <dictionary word><number>
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[3:47] <clever> all i did was fix a problem they refused to fix
[3:47] <retrosenator> only 5% (uncracked) used symbols like ? _ ^ etc.. which weren't in my table
[3:48] <retrosenator> eventually I had full tables (hundreds of gigabytes) so you would have to use unicode in your password...
[3:48] <clever> lol
[3:48] <clever> ive always wondered how well some systems handle unicode passwords
[3:48] <clever> its hard to tell if its just coming up ??? on the other end or not
[3:48] <retrosenator> on the sun workstations you could use ctrl+c in your password
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[3:48] <clever> as long as you enter a unicode of the right length, youll never know how bad it actualy is
[3:49] <retrosenator> anyway, they deserve it for using lmhash
[3:49] <clever> http://arstechnica.com/gaming/2014/04/microsoft-plugs-xbox-one-security-hole-discovered-by-five-year-old/
[3:49] <clever> and then you have this...
[3:49] <clever> a 5 year old hacked his fathers account by mistake
[3:50] <clever> punch in the wrong pw once, then fill the input box with spaces and hit login
[3:50] <clever> and boom, your in
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[3:54] <[Saint]> That was hilarious.
[3:54] <[Saint]> How that happened is just...wow. Like...wow.
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[3:54] <clever> i know
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[3:56] <[Saint]> That it was discovered by a 5yo just made it all the more delicious.
[3:57] <[Saint]> The fact that it was possible in the first place was a monumental head-slapping fail.
[3:57] <clever> yep
[3:57] <clever> a normal person would never think to try something like that
[3:57] <clever> 'this could never work?'
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[3:59] <rikkib> Woot Now sending 1576359802...ok...Got response 1576359802, round-trip delay: 31 Chip Temp = DF Band Gap = 17C Light = 1D6
[4:00] <rikkib> ave RPi talking to MC9S08 over nRF24 link
[4:00] <rikkib> Have
[4:00] <clever> nice
[4:01] <rikkib> Two more sensors to add to code... DS18B20 and GY273 Compass
[4:01] <rikkib> and a LVD flag
[4:01] <clever> ive got DS18B20's all over the house
[4:01] <clever> wired to a central AVR
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[4:02] <retrosenator> I have a 10dof on my raspberry pi via i2c
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[4:02] <clever> and in theory, that AVR could be plugged into a pi, but ive just got it going into a regular desktop
[4:02] <rikkib> I am poking one in the breeze
[4:02] <clever> retrosenator: are you having any repeated start issues?
[4:02] <rikkib> on top of wind vane
[4:02] <clever> outdoor: -0.81c(30.54f)
[4:02] <retrosenator> clever: with the graphics driver?
[4:02] <clever> retrosenator: thats sticking outside the wall of the house
[4:02] <rikkib> for wind chill factor
[4:02] <clever> retrosenator: with the i2c
[4:02] <retrosenator> don't seem to
[4:02] <clever> i did with the mpr121
[4:03] <clever> it refuses to do a repeated start
[4:03] <clever> and the chip seems to require it
[4:03] <clever> so i cant read anything except register 0
[4:03] <retrosenator> clever: wowk, I wish it was -0.81c it's 31C and only 10am
[4:03] <retrosenator> and this is a cool day because it's overcast
[4:03] <clever> lol
[4:03] <clever> it was snowing just yesterday
[4:03] <clever> and i had thunder a few days before that
[4:03] <rikkib> repeat only works if you drive csn in software perhaps
[4:03] <retrosenator> they cut every tree down on a lot of the islands here, and all the soil washed away years ago, it makes it even hotter
[4:04] <clever> rikkib: csn?
[4:04] <rikkib> spi cip slect
[4:04] <rikkib> chip
[4:04] <clever> dont see how that has anything to do with i2c
[4:04] <retrosenator> rikkib: you have wind speed?
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[4:04] <clever> i2c doesnt have any concept of chip select
[4:04] <retrosenator> rikkib: or just temp sensors?
[4:05] <rikkib> wind speed is coming
[4:05] <retrosenator> clever: it has addresses
[4:05] <clever> retrosenator: exactly
[4:05] <retrosenator> rikkib: how are you doing it?
[4:05] <retrosenator> I need wind speed...
[4:05] <clever> retrosenator: to read register 5, you open an address in write mode, write the address, then re-open the address in read mode
[4:05] <rikkib> it is coming from the UK thanks to rayner
[4:05] <clever> to read the data back
[4:05] <retrosenator> I have done it before with a hot wire, but it's too fragile
[4:06] <clever> retrosenator: but the pi sends a stop code between those 2 modes, reseting the chip back to register 0
[4:06] <retrosenator> clever: yes I know.. I was just using open read and write in userspace..
[4:06] <retrosenator> clever: there is an ioctl to handle that I think
[4:06] <rikkib> wind vane does temp (chill), light and compass for direction
[4:06] <clever> retrosenator: i was using a purely kernel based driver
[4:06] <retrosenator> clever: you can write and read in a single operation
[4:06] <clever> retrosenator: the single function version is what was broken
[4:07] <rikkib> http://www.zlham.geek.nz/images/news/rpi-mc9s08-2.jpg
[4:07] <retrosenator> rikkib: what type of anenometer?
[4:07] <clever> retrosenator: https://github.com/raspberrypi/linux/blob/rpi-3.10.y/drivers/input/keyboard/mpr121_touchkey.c#L101
[4:07] <rikkib> 2.50 pound one from....
[4:07] <clever> living room: 22.06c(71.71f), outdoor: -0.75c(30.65f)
[4:08] <rikkib> hmmm can't remember
[4:08] <rikkib> will come to me
[4:08] <rikkib> maplin
[4:08] <rikkib> holland
[4:08] <rikkib> I thunk
[4:09] <retrosenator> jmy internet is a bit crap I cannot load any images right now
[4:09] <rikkib> http://www.zlham.geek.nz/images/news/rpi-sys1.jpg My devel stuff
[4:09] <clever> retrosenator: when the driver i linked is working properly, the cap touch sensor behaves as a standard linux computer
[4:10] <clever> and EVERY app in the system gets the input, the same as any usb keyboard would
[4:10] <clever> you just tap element 0 and it acts like you hit enter on a keyboard
[4:10] <clever> the issue, is line 94 reads the same registers as 101
[4:10] <[Saint]> Damn...and here I was complaining about 9°C
[4:10] <clever> so its hard limited to 8 elements
[4:11] <retrosenator> [Saint]: if it's too cold you want it to be hot, if it's too hot you wish it were cold...
[4:11] <[Saint]> Where are you geographically clever?
[4:11] <clever> [Saint]: NB canada
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[4:12] <[Saint]> Ah. Nuts to that. :)
[4:12] <clever> ?
[4:12] <[Saint]> Too damn cold.
[4:12] <clever> lol
[4:12] <retrosenator> I don't like the governments in all the english speaking countries
[4:13] <retrosenator> at least here it's anarchy
[4:13] <clever> retrosenator: do you see how that kernel driver could be fixed?
[4:14] <retrosenator> clever: my isp randomly doesn't always allow me to access it, I have to use a proxy
[4:14] <clever> weird
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[4:14] <retrosenator> it's strange because in a few hours, it blocks different sites and allows previously blocked ones
[4:14] <clever> reg |= i2c_smbus_read_byte_data(client, ELE_TOUCH_STATUS_0_ADDR);
[4:14] <clever> #define ELE_TOUCH_STATUS_0_ADDR 0x0
[4:14] <clever> this line of code works fine
[4:14] <clever> reg = i2c_smbus_read_byte_data(client, ELE_TOUCH_STATUS_1_ADDR);
[4:15] <clever> this one reads the same register, but is defined to a different value
[4:15] <[Saint]> Where is "here" retrosenator?
[4:15] <clever> the python smbus tools have the same issue, as do the c api
[4:15] <retrosenator> [Saint]: philippines
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[4:16] <retrosenator> you can take a piss right on the sidewalk and no one will even blink
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[4:23] <warsh> hi
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[4:27] <shiftplusone> hi
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[4:31] <rikkib> Added temp with a 80mS overhead...
[4:31] <rikkib> Now sending 1578255082...ok...Got response 1578255082, round-trip delay: 109 Chip Temp = DF Band Gap = 17C Light = 1DF Temp = 168
[4:31] <warsh> what?
[4:31] <rikkib> temp transfer function 0x168 x .0625 = temp
[4:32] * [Saint] isn't so sure that public urination being accepted as common place is such a good thing...
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[4:32] <retrosenator> [Saint]: it's digusting, but I'm just saying you can do whatever you want
[4:34] <retrosenator> actually it would be fine if the population were a reasonable figure and they didn't burn and cut all the rainforest
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[4:34] <[Saint]> Perhaps that is one of the reasons why the Philippines is failing to thrive.
[4:34] <[Saint]> The major exports rely on destroying the place.
[4:35] <retrosenator> some places I have seen about 300 children and 3 adults living surrounded by piles of garbage
[4:36] <retrosenator> and not a tree in sight
[4:36] <[Saint]> Corruption is rife in government there.
[4:36] <[Saint]> And many other places...
[4:36] <[Saint]> Sadly.
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[4:36] <retrosenator> and every place you mean?
[4:37] <retrosenator> which government isn't corrupt?
[4:38] <[Saint]> Depends on the definition I guess. My government is part of a major international spy ring, but, at least we don't rob our peoples blind. ;)
[4:39] <[Saint]> We like to try and ensure the revenue our economy generates makes it back into the system and is taxed accordingly.
[4:39] <[Saint]> As opposed to shipping it off into the hands of a small few.
[4:39] <retrosenator> which country is that?
[4:39] <[Saint]> New Zealand.
[4:40] <retrosenator> gah, I jsut came from there
[4:40] <retrosenator> they are terrible
[4:40] <retrosenator> they wouldn't let me leave when I wanted to
[4:40] <retrosenator> instead they took my boat away for "inspection" and found nothing wrong then a week later I had to go after the weather turned to shit
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[4:40] <[Saint]> But we have free medical care for all, and no big pikes of trash. :)
[4:40] <retrosenator> so as a result I got smashed by huge waves and lost a big solar panel
[4:41] <[Saint]> We're doing OK.
[4:41] <retrosenator> I"m still pissed at them, they are idiots there
[4:41] <shiftplusone> retrosenator, family friendly channel, so tone the language down a bit.
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[4:42] <retrosenator> [Saint]: I found the people in nz to constantly do bad things
[4:42] <[Saint]> Such as?
[4:42] <retrosenator> [Saint]: they would be very friendly, borrow my bicycle and never bring it back
[4:42] <shiftplusone> collectively?
[4:42] <retrosenator> [Saint]: this kind of thing happened to me repeatedly
[4:42] <retrosenator> and never happened in any other country
[4:42] <shiftplusone> ah
[4:43] <retrosenator> also, the people are very unhappy there, it really got me down. In the philippines people smile a lot, in new zealand they frown
[4:43] <[Saint]> I don't disbelieve you, but I assure you its not commonplace.
[4:43] <[Saint]> For instance, I don't even bother locking my door.
[4:44] <[Saint]> Or my car.
[4:44] <retrosenator> it's unbelievable what they do with chemicals and poisons there in the natural environemnt
[4:44] <[Saint]> Its perfectly safe.
[4:44] <shiftplusone> at the expense of the occasional sword duel?
[4:44] <[Saint]> Hahahaha, well...yes. You got me there shift. ;)
[4:44] <retrosenator> I met more nasty people there than anywhere I have been.. people in the park sitting around talking about how much they hate someone
[4:45] <retrosenator> it's a beautiful country though
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[4:45] <[Saint]> As far as chemical pollutants go, we have here some of the finest drinking water available in the world.
[4:46] <[Saint]> And policy regarding dumping is VERY strict.
[4:46] <retrosenator> [Saint]: you still use cca to treat wood.. its illegal almost everywhere else
[4:46] <retrosenator> the arsenic is just starting to be detected in the wine because they use treated wood in the vineyards, it takes about 30 years to leach out into the soil
[4:47] <retrosenator> down in picton where I stayed a few months.. I couldn't anchor in shakespear bay because they use methylbromide out in the open
[4:47] <retrosenator> they dump 1080 in the bush so I cannot drink from the streams
[4:47] <retrosenator> then there is cyanide everywhere
[4:48] <[Saint]> That's true of many places.
[4:48] <clever> rikkib: or /16
[4:48] <retrosenator> [Saint]: no it isn't
[4:48] <clever> 168/16 == 10.5
[4:48] <retrosenator> I have been many places, and new zealand tops all by far for use of highly toxic chemicals
[4:48] <rikkib> 168 is hex
[4:48] <clever> oh
[4:48] <clever> *convers*
[4:48] <rikkib> 168/16*.0625
[4:49] <clever> 22.5 then
[4:49] <rikkib> deg C
[4:49] <clever> 0x168 / 16
[4:49] <clever> no need for 0.0625
[4:49] <clever> * 0.0625 is the same as /16
[4:50] <retrosenator> [Saint]: and my final word.. it's pitiful what they have done in the south island, producing 20x more milk than the country needs at great expense to the environment.. terrible government policy
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[4:50] <clever> you can also use a bit shift, >>4 i believe, but then you loose the least sig digits
[4:50] <rikkib> Now sending 1579435132...ok...Got response 1579435132, round-trip delay: 120 Chip Temp = DE Band Gap = 17C Light = 20F Temp = 178 X = FF42 Z = 63 Y = FFDB
[4:50] <rikkib> wooot
[4:50] <clever> 23.5
[4:50] <clever> odd that it went up exactly half a degree
[4:50] <rikkib> just a low voltage flag to add and anything else I can easily implement
[4:51] <clever> i mean a whole degree
[4:51] <clever> need to get some sleep here
[4:52] <[Saint]> Someone has to produce it. Keep in mind its not like we tip it down the drain. Its all exported, and the reason why we have such high export demands is the extremely high quality dairy products produced here.
[4:52] <[Saint]> But yes, we are starting to crack down on runoff from dairy farms.
[4:53] <rikkib> Choice 120mS rtt to gather 18 bytes of data
[4:54] <retrosenator> [Saint]: to be sustainable you need to leave 85% of the natural environment intact
[4:54] <rikkib> temp. light and compass plus 4 bytes of internal data from the MC9S08
[4:55] <[Saint]> retrosenator: which is largely impossible no matter the locality.
[4:55] <rikkib> had to reduce the temp resolution to 9 bits for 80mS per reading delay... 750mS for 12 bit.
[4:56] <retrosenator> [Saint]: not impossible, but few places do this (vanuatu is a notable exception)
[4:56] <clever> rikkib: you can cheat some, tell the ds18b20 to start a conversion
[4:56] <clever> rikkib: hen read all of the other sensors
[4:56] <clever> rikkib: then wait for the ds18b20 to finish (it has a poll feature), and read it
[4:56] <clever> that will parallel up the tasks
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[4:56] <rikkib> I may do that
[4:56] <[Saint]> I think you're getting the wrong impression of how much pasture land we have. We have a lot, yes. We also have massive swathes of protected natural forests, too.
[4:57] <rikkib> running with test code atm
[4:57] <[Saint]> And large scale replanting efforts.
[4:57] <retrosenator> [Saint]: to be fair, there are great people in nz, I am just bitter with how they forced me to sail in a storm and sent 5 officials after me and threatened me for no reason
[4:57] <clever> rikkib: i did similar in my code, i told the entire network to convert at once, then i woke the xbee up
[4:57] <clever> rikkib: and i let the xbee wakeup delay overlap with the 750ms to convert
[4:57] <clever> so they got both tasks done at once
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[4:58] <retrosenator> [Saint]: and also the 8 or 9 cases when people stole from me there (and I have no problems in other countries)
[4:58] <clever> i'm off to bed now
[4:58] <johnc-> woot, my segfault is fixed in time to watch GoT :D
[4:58] <[Saint]> Spoiler: They all die.
[4:59] <johnc-> I think everybody knows by now
[4:59] <rikkib> Hmmm 750mS is to long... I am pinging the sensors every second as best case
[4:59] <rikkib> I reality I expect to ping anywhere from 10 to 60 seconds or even more.
[5:00] <rikkib> the micro goes to stop more3 in between
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[5:01] <rikkib> mode3
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[5:01] <retrosenator> [Saint]: but realistically it's crazy to export so much milk, from what I can see it is a system based on greed, there is no real need to do it. I also saw a lot of clear cutting, and huge fishing fleets in nelson taking ridiculous amount of fish from the sea to ship to asia
[5:01] <rikkib> Plan to run off 3 AA Nicads
[5:02] <retrosenator> [Saint]: per person new zealand is far worse at degrading the environment than philippines... the difference is here there are 30 times more people in the same space
[5:03] <[Saint]> ...and its hard to destroy an environment that's already destroyed ;)
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[5:03] <[Saint]> Can't cut down all your trees for sugar palm *again*, lol.
[5:03] <retrosenator> [Saint]: it's pretty good in the natural places in new zealand.. just need to stop using chemicals
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[5:05] <retrosenator> [Saint]: yes, well in both countries, it is a very few people who are taking the majority of it while everyone else stands by and allows it
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[5:07] <retrosenator> [Saint]: your government is very corrupt like all of them :) but amazing unique place it is
[5:07] <[Saint]> If we suddenly stopped exporting dairy and beef the effect on the economy, on a global scale, would be immense.
[5:08] <[Saint]> And yes, sure. But the difference is we rob other counties blind, instead of our own people.
[5:08] <[Saint]> That's how it should be ;)
[5:08] <shiftplusone> Don't mess with NZ, they'll cut your milk supply? D=
[5:09] <retrosenator> [Saint]: I felt like I was getting robbed everytime I went in a store there
[5:09] <[Saint]> Gotta have dat cheese, yo.
[5:09] <retrosenator> I went to a hardware store to buy a tool, and it was 3x the price in the us
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[5:09] <retrosenator> so I mail ordered it to the post shop and it was cheaper that way
[5:10] <[Saint]> That's not so much an issue for us as our wages reflect the rise in prices.
[5:10] <[Saint]> But yeah, tech is expensive here. And Australia.
[5:11] <retrosenator> [Saint]: yes, so as a form of enslavement, so you are forced to work a normal job
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[5:11] <[Saint]> Largely driven by our obscure locality.
[5:11] <retrosenator> since I don't work a job, it is quite difficult
[5:11] <retrosenator> it shouldn't be cheaper to mail order something like a rivet gun from the states... that is exploitation
[5:11] <shiftplusone> we get gouged by companies. Something that costs $100 in the USA, will cost $200 here and then they'll charge another $50 for shipping, because why not. Even digital downloads are more expensive for some reason sometimes.
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[5:12] <retrosenator> internet sucked there.. it's so much better in the philippines
[5:12] <retrosenator> at least I have unlimited internet for 30 cents a day anywhere
[5:12] <[Saint]> At what speed?
[5:12] <retrosenator> varies greatly depending on where and when heh
[5:13] <[Saint]> Right. :)
[5:13] <shiftplusone> I believe you said you're on 128k
[5:13] <[Saint]> Oh God...
[5:13] <retrosenator> right now it picked up to about 300
[5:13] <[Saint]> No wonder its unlimited.
[5:13] <[Saint]> There's zero risk.
[5:14] <retrosenator> that's because I"m on the cell phone network which I couldn't afford in new zealand
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[5:14] <retrosenator> when I used wifi in new zealand it was often very slow.. here when I've used wifi it's a bit faster
[5:15] <[Saint]> We have free 4G wireless hotspots in over 500 locations in NZ.
[5:16] <retrosenator> 4g is free now?
[5:16] <[Saint]> 1GB limit per day before its capped to 3G speeds.
[5:16] <retrosenator> [Saint]: which part are you in?
[5:16] <[Saint]> Also, you could've got a SIM with $10 credit for $2
[5:17] <[Saint]> Christchurch
[5:17] <retrosenator> in the cities it worked much better, but I"m often in remote areas
[5:18] <[Saint]> I pay $16/month for unlimited SMS to any network, 200 minutes call time, and 10GB mobile data.
[5:18] <[Saint]> Not great, but not bad.
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[5:19] <[Saint]> I pretty much never use me mobile data as its almost impossible to not be covered by the WiFi blanket in populated areas.
[5:20] <retrosenator> here, it would cost $16 a month for unlimited, and I can download about 10gb in that time heh
[5:20] <retrosenator> but you can use it for just one day, and not the next to save money
[5:21] <[Saint]> My home connection is expensive, but I can pull down at ~40Mb/s, and its true unlimited, so I don't mind.
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[5:22] <[Saint]> In Australia and NZ internet pricing is rather extreme.
[5:22] <retrosenator> I remember in california I could pull 10mb/s on free wifi
[5:22] <[Saint]> But at least we have VDSL(2) here.
[5:22] <[Saint]> Australia messed that up spectacularly.
[5:22] <retrosenator> isn't there only a single fiber line from NZ to the world being monopolized?
[5:22] <retrosenator> or maybe there are two now
[5:23] <[Saint]> They put all their eggs in the fiber basket and then the government messed it up spectacularly.
[5:23] <[Saint]> And now its all finger pointing and a way of scoring points at election time.
[5:23] <retrosenator> well there are two parties.. labor and national, basically like the states democrat and republican.. almost the same really
[5:24] <retrosenator> and so actually the reality is there is only 1 party which is run by the rich people
[5:24] <[Saint]> There's more than two parties. The others just rarely warrant a mention.
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[5:25] <retrosenator> a lot of regulations in new zealand, cops threatening to fine me if I don't wear a helmet
[5:25] <[Saint]> Bit players that come out only when the opposition needs to form a coalition.
[5:25] <retrosenator> for a bicycle, not a motorcycle
[5:25] <[Saint]> I can't see what's wrong with that...
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[5:26] <retrosenator> [Saint]: good for you, because you have to live there
[5:26] <[Saint]> No, I don't.
[5:26] <retrosenator> obviously a place which doesn't value freedom
[5:26] <[Saint]> I chose to.
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[5:26] <[Saint]> We value freedom very much. But that doesn't mean we should let people make stupid decisions.
[5:27] <retrosenator> people are expected to do what they are told and not decide for themself
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[5:27] <[Saint]> Though perhaps we should let you kill yourself.
[5:27] <[Saint]> Natural selection, etc.
[5:27] <retrosenator> sure, why not
[5:27] <[Saint]> Better genes next time around.
[5:28] <[Saint]> It seems silly to bicker about regulations put in place entirely for the purpose of your own safety.
[5:28] <[Saint]> Borderline ridiculous.
[5:28] <retrosenator> it's hypocritical to require helmets on bicycles in the name of safety when they allow things like cars which kill far more people
[5:28] <[Saint]> I...just...wow. Great one.
[5:29] <retrosenator> but yes, reason doesn't really work there
[5:29] <retrosenator> they make kids wear uniforms in schools and one day a year they can pay the teacher for the right to wear their own clothes
[5:29] <[Saint]> Bullshit.
[5:29] <[Saint]> Nice try, but, bull. Sorry.
[5:30] <[Saint]> Sorry. Language.
[5:30] <shiftplusone> np
[5:30] <[Saint]> That's just plain wrong though.
[5:30] <retrosenator> I saw lots of kids wearing school uniforms there, it's about power and control, and not allowing people to be unique
[5:30] <retrosenator> forcing them to all be the same and not think for themselves
[5:32] <retrosenator> anyway a bunch of people in wellington told me about the paying for one day a year thing.. maybe that is only there
[5:32] <[Saint]> We also have many schools without such restrictions.
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[5:32] <[Saint]> But...it must work. Our education system is one of the best in the world.
[5:33] <[Saint]> There's a reason people come here just to study.
[5:33] <retrosenator> that's why the 11th graders I met were learning about parabolas
[5:34] <l_r> where?
[5:34] <retrosenator> they kids in the park smoke synthetic weed there, at least in california they use the real thing
[5:34] <[Saint]> Yeah. We should be like the Philippines where many go without an education at all huh? ;)
[5:34] <retrosenator> [Saint]: don't worry it's much worse here, people know nothing
[5:35] <raspberrypifan> in Ecuador people are expected to learn about parabolas in 7 grade
[5:35] <[Saint]> Oh. I know it is. Which is why I used it as a source of ridicule.
[5:35] <retrosenator> raspberrypifan: that's when I learned about them, in the us
[5:35] <raspberrypifan> most 7th graders i know
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[5:35] <raspberrypifan> or ever knew
[5:35] <raspberrypifan> hve no idea what that is
[5:35] <retrosenator> [Saint]: yes it's a real trade off, a lot of things are great in nz, food quality is much better there, but costs about 20 times as much (not exaggerating)
[5:36] <raspberrypifan> id love to go to NZ
[5:36] <shiftplusone> The education is strange in this part of the world.
[5:36] <raspberrypifan> but ur so fucken far
[5:36] <raspberrypifan> i cant stand to be in ap lane that long
[5:36] <l_r> there is freedom and high level of civilization in nz
[5:36] <shiftplusone> Finger paint until year 10, and then learn everything in 2 or 3 years.
[5:36] <retrosenator> raspberrypifan: I didn't fly there
[5:36] <[Saint]> It does, yes. But the wages match.
[5:36] <[Saint]> I'm on $37/h, can't complain.
[5:36] <raspberrypifan> then how do u go to NZ
[5:36] <retrosenator> [Saint]: again, forcing people to work for wages
[5:37] <retrosenator> raspberrypifan: sail
[5:37] <[Saint]> No. We have a great welfare scheme too.
[5:37] <raspberrypifan> houw long does that take
[5:37] <retrosenator> [Saint]: I met 4 people in wellington in a house.. 3 were on welfare, $200 and $300 a week.. you are right, why work
[5:38] <[Saint]> What other countries exist that don't "force" people to work for wages.
[5:38] <[Saint]> That's what wages are* :)
[5:38] <[Saint]> Money for working.
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[5:38] <retrosenator> [Saint]: but they could never leave wellington for more than a few weeks at a time
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[5:38] <retrosenator> [Saint]: so if you want to be free to roam and not work for wages and have little money it's difficult there
[5:38] <[Saint]> That's untrue. We can freely travel to many places.
[5:39] <[Saint]> Australia, Canada, UK.
[5:39] <[Saint]> Welfare systems interact.
[5:39] <retrosenator> [Saint]: you can go to the UK for a year and keep your welfare?
[5:39] <retrosenator> raspberrypifan: 9 days from tonga to nz
[5:39] <[Saint]> A year is pushing it, you'd likely need a working visa for that.
[5:40] <retrosenator> [Saint]: in philippines there is no welfare...
[5:40] <raspberrypifan> where is tonga
[5:40] <l_r> who knows
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[5:40] <[Saint]> Tongans.
[5:40] <retrosenator> [Saint]: yes, more rules and regulations.. but you are right it's not bad there (remember i'm extremely bitter about nz because they put me in a storm for no reason)
[5:41] <retrosenator> so I apologize because this has nothing to do with you, and everything to do with 2 horrible people who work for the government there
[5:42] <l_r> there are good rules
[5:42] <l_r> rules are not always bad
[5:42] <retrosenator> otherwise I'm coming up with negatives specific to nz, but I can think of different ones for everywhere
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[5:42] <l_r> one good rule is to use the helmet
[5:42] <[Saint]> I'm sorry you had that experience. Unfortunately for you its the fault of the many people before you that have attempted to smuggle drugs out of NZ via small private vessels.
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[5:42] <retrosenator> although vanuatu is pretty awesome, and the people are so happy and friendly, and give you anything they can...
[5:43] <retrosenator> [Saint]: into nz not out of you mean
[5:43] <[Saint]> Both.
[5:43] <l_r> [Saint], are you from NZ?
[5:43] <[Saint]> I am indeed.
[5:43] <[Saint]> The world wants our pot. Its rather high quality.
[5:44] <[Saint]> Lots of people take hilarious risks to get it or of the country.
[5:44] <[Saint]> Usually via sea.
[5:44] <retrosenator> [Saint]: it is good quality, but no better than california
[5:44] <l_r> [Saint], how is healthcare there?
[5:44] <[Saint]> Absolutely great.
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[5:44] <retrosenator> I can say healthcare is better than in the us there...
[5:45] <[Saint]> Well...is free, for one..
[5:45] <retrosenator> inthe us they make me wait 4 hours after paying $50 and then won't see me or refund me
[5:45] <l_r> free?universally available ?
[5:45] <l_r> good
[5:45] <retrosenator> in nz it's free and I wait 5 minutes
[5:45] <[Saint]> Yep.
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[5:45] <[Saint]> No need to be a citizen, or working. If you break yourself in NZ we'll fix you.
[5:45] <l_r> then it might enter my top list of best countries
[5:46] <[Saint]> It's how it should he universally.
[5:46] <shiftplusone> what about dental?
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[5:46] <[Saint]> Free for under 18yo
[5:46] <retrosenator> even in vanuatu I had to pay $5... but they gave me lots of antibiotics and other stuff in addition to stitches so it was a better deal really...
[5:46] <l_r> wow
[5:46] <retrosenator> not cavities though
[5:46] <retrosenator> oh, under 18 yeah
[5:46] <[Saint]> Then heavily discounted, or free via hospital waiting lists.
[5:47] <[Saint]> If its non essential dental, just wait.
[5:47] <[Saint]> If its essential you'll pay about 20% of t.
[5:47] <[Saint]> *it
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[5:47] <retrosenator> [Saint]: what do you do for work? I"m curious I couldn't find many options there when I looked
[5:47] <l_r> what's the salary of a senior engineer ?
[5:47] <retrosenator> all the programming jobs were java and crap like that
[5:47] <l_r> is there google in NZ?
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[5:48] <[Saint]> retrosenator: I do installs and refits for multimedia system cabling and home networks. Network planning for new and existing homes, home theater fitouts, etc.
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[5:49] <[Saint]> Also some home automation services.
[5:49] <retrosenator> l_r: it's certainly worth visiting, especially natural areas, but beware of friendly people there.. they have a tendency to do things you would never expect
[5:49] <l_r> retrosenator, for example?
[5:49] <retrosenator> l_r: like camping near you for a week then stealing your money
[5:49] <l_r> uh..
[5:49] <retrosenator> even cooking on the same fire for a week
[5:50] <retrosenator> this is not normal behavior, it's only in nz I assure you
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[5:50] <l_r> thieves are everywhere
[5:50] <retrosenator> for a low-density population it's surprising what I found in nz
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[5:51] <l_r> probably
[5:51] <retrosenator> another one.. I pull into durville island during a gale, and anchor in a bay. The next morning it's blowing seriously hard and a guy comes out to tell me it is a private bay (no such thing) and I have to leave
[5:51] <l_r> it's surprising mostly because they would not need to steal
[5:51] <[Saint]> There are indeed private bays...
[5:51] <[Saint]> Just saying.
[5:52] <retrosenator> [Saint]: you can't own anything below low water.. you cannot own the sea
[5:52] <[Saint]> Many parts of the coastline are inaccessible.
[5:52] <[Saint]> Wrong. Sadly.
[5:52] <retrosenator> maybe on land, but not if I am 200 meters from shore
[5:52] <[Saint]> I'd like it to not be...but, sadly, its wrong.
[5:53] <retrosenator> anyway, it's a large island with only 200 people on it. Anywhere else in the world they would invite you in their house..
[5:53] <[Saint]> A *LOT* of the coastline and sea bed is owned by local Iwi.
[5:53] <retrosenator> this guy was not an iwi
[5:53] <[Saint]> Given to them as compensation for all the Treaty of Waitangi bull crap.
[5:54] <retrosenator> in bay of islands I anchor for a week in a place, and a guy comes along and tells me to move because it's his spot, and "you should never have come here.. " all sorts of threats
[5:54] <[Saint]> And, he may not be (no one person can be, but that pedantic), but it doesn't necessarily invalidate the claim.
[5:54] <retrosenator> I had so many experiences of unfriendly people it's really weird
[5:55] <retrosenator> [Saint]: when it's blowing hard enough that the water is in the air, you shouldn't be telling someone they have to move, and this guy was 100% european descent
[5:56] <l_r> indeed
[5:56] <[Saint]> And you know this how?
[5:56] <l_r> that's unfriendly
[5:56] <l_r> if there was a danger
[5:56] <retrosenator> [Saint]: I guess you are right he could be 1/16th or something
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[5:56] <retrosenator> l_r: you get the idea, people tend not to care about you
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[5:57] <[Saint]> We have little regard for people who come here without first noting local custom.
[5:57] <retrosenator> l_r: in vanuatu it couldn't be more opposite. As soon as I pull in a bay, they are rowing their handmade canoes full of fruit they grew to give to me
[5:57] <[Saint]> That's one of the reasons I mentioned us being slightly racist earlier
[5:58] <l_r> how many people do libe there
[5:58] <retrosenator> this guy was desecrating the land.. the house I was in front of they had cut all the trees down for a huge area
[5:58] <l_r> live
[5:58] <[Saint]> 4.2M
[5:59] <retrosenator> mostly in the north island (whch is why you should visit the south)
[6:00] <retrosenator> some of the birds are incredible, I had the south island robins land on my hand
[6:00] <retrosenator> and I could pet the flightless wekas
[6:01] <[Saint]> Pukekos are a laugh. Funny birds.
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[6:01] <[Saint]> Always getting themselves run over though, sadly.
[6:01] <retrosenator> cool plants too
[6:02] <[Saint]> Pukekos like shiny things, so they go and stare at the reflectors on the road dividing the lanes.
[6:02] <retrosenator> but there are some really cool birds in the philippines too, there are some islands (very few) which are completely natural where they live
[6:02] <[Saint]> It usually ends badly.
[6:03] <[Saint]> Minah birds are cool too, though technically a pest. Awesome mimics.
[6:03] <retrosenator> yes, well I'm against roads.. in vanuatu the "main road" was nearly always a footpath which is how it should be
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[6:05] <[Saint]> I'm guessing you don't drive then? :)
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[6:05] <retrosenator> [Saint]: I built a recumbant bicycle in wellington out of old bicycles
[6:06] <[Saint]> Those things are death traps.
[6:06] <[Saint]> But...cool death traps.
[6:06] <retrosenator> I also have a really cool sailing kayak, it is so awesome that I have caused filipinos to crash into eachother on motor boats because they were watching me sail
[6:07] <[Saint]> I've almost run over a recumbent bicycle before. Scared me senseless.
[6:07] <[Saint]> So hard to see them.
[6:07] <[Saint]> (Being so low)
[6:08] <[Saint]> Most people are smart enough to put a bright flag on their recumbent bikes, but not this guy.
[6:08] <[Saint]> He was also stupid enough to take it on a motorway.
[6:08] <retrosenator> my recumbant was very funky because it was made of wood and old bicycles so it was a lot higher than most
[6:08] <[Saint]> Really lucky I didn't kill him.
[6:08] <retrosenator> and I only ride where there were bike lanes because you can't jump curbs and stuff
[6:09] <retrosenator> people drive fast and dangerous in nz, and some towns even have signs that say "motorists do not stop for pedestrians" in the crosswalk
[6:10] <raspberrypifan> just like atlatna
[6:10] <shiftplusone> maybe those are instructions for the motorists >.>
[6:10] <[Saint]> When I rode my recumbent (also self built) I caused a few accidents I think. Curious motorists staring at my odd contraption instead of the road.
[6:10] <retrosenator> and the roads are narrow and winding so it's very dangerous place on a bicycle
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[6:10] <shiftplusone> Like "Motorists, don't stop for pedestrians!" So they don't. <.<
[6:10] <retrosenator> shiftplusone: exactly
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[6:11] <shiftplusone> retrosenator, been to Australia?
[6:11] <retrosenator> shiftplusone: no, that's my next one (maybe)
[6:11] <shiftplusone> ah
[6:11] <retrosenator> [Saint]: do you have any pictures?
[6:11] <shiftplusone> I'd like to know in what way we're jerks and fail >.>
[6:11] <[Saint]> Of my recumbent? Sadly not.
[6:12] <retrosenator> I'm going to see if I can find mine... cool you built one though!
[6:12] <[Saint]> retrosenator: don't bother with Australia, they're just like NZ only with a slightly more hilarious accent. Just imagine NZ on helium and you're halfway there. :p
[6:13] <retrosenator> shiftplusone: I can't really say too much yet... but I'm sure I will if I go there.. I can say I only like about 10% of australians I have met so far
[6:13] <[Saint]> It's easy to remember names in Australia.
[6:13] <[Saint]> Everybody is called Bruce.
[6:13] <retrosenator> heh
[6:13] <shiftplusone> I only know one Bruce, and he's Chinese.
[6:14] <retrosenator> I wanted to sail a recumbant tricycle around australia
[6:14] <retrosenator> assuming there isnt too much traffic
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[6:14] <retrosenator> and not too many trees to block the wind, it should be viable
[6:14] <[Saint]> In central AU, that wouldn't be an issue.
[6:15] <[Saint]> Everyone lives around the edge mostly, the center is mostly deserted.
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[6:15] <shiftplusone> probably because it's a desert
[6:15] <[Saint]> Its too damn hit in the middle.
[6:15] <[Saint]> *hot
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[6:15] <retrosenator> yes, sailing around the edge
[6:16] <retrosenator> I found my recumbant pictures.. ok
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[6:16] <[Saint]> The big difference between AU and NZ is that absolutely everything in AU is capable of killing you.
[6:16] * shiftplusone shrugs
[6:16] <shiftplusone> I haven't been killed once yet.
[6:16] <[Saint]> Whereas we have a single venomous spider worth caring about and its a bit of a fraidycat.
[6:17] <[Saint]> They only bite if you accidentally squish em, generally speaking.
[6:18] <retrosenator> you have stingrays
[6:18] <[Saint]> Biggest problem in Australia is tourists underestimating dropbears.
[6:18] <retrosenator> http://postimg.org/image/b0pxa2keb/
[6:18] <[Saint]> Dropsbears will kill you just because they can.
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[6:18] <shiftplusone> >_<
[6:19] <retrosenator> in nz it's the people you have to watch out for
[6:19] <retrosenator> that's probably true in australia too
[6:19] <[Saint]> Likely true of most of the world.
[6:20] <[Saint]> Accept Canada, probably. Not sure if Canadians could be mean even if they wanted to.
[6:20] <retrosenator> yes, but not everywhere
[6:20] <shiftplusone> Now that I think of it, it's like we have different classes of people.
[6:20] <retrosenator> in philippines there are many classes
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[6:21] <[Saint]> shiftplusone: how so?
[6:21] <retrosenator> if you are white, they let you take your bag in a store, all the filipinos must leave theirs at the desk
[6:22] <raspberrypifan> we leave it a the entrance in a locker
[6:22] <shiftplusone> [Saint], Since I spend most time with university educated people, I don't really run into racists or other scum. But when I worked in woolworths, I did see the other side. And if you catch trains to get to places, you see the scummiest of people.
[6:22] <raspberrypifan> in ecuador
[6:22] <retrosenator> it's crazy how there are people here who only sell peanuts or only tobacco or stores with only 5 items in them.. collectively doing the work of 1 person in other countries
[6:23] <shiftplusone> and I don't think that the people I think of as the average Australian (people I am normally in contact with), represent the actual average Australian.
[6:23] <[Saint]> shiftplusone: the metro system in AU scared the pants off me.
[6:23] <retrosenator> raspberrypifan: you are in ecuador?
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[6:23] <raspberrypifan> no but i shall be soonnnn
[6:23] <retrosenator> raspberrypifan: ecuador is very high on my list of countries to visit, I heard about "rights of nature"
[6:23] <shiftplusone> [Saint], why's that? O_o
[6:24] <[Saint]> shiftplusone: the rail system is like a crazy junkie magnet.
[6:24] <raspberrypifan> they have them
[6:24] <shiftplusone> ah, they're mostly harmless.
[6:24] <raspberrypifan> but they cant even respect teh rights of humans
[6:24] <retrosenator> I meet so many australians with literally million dollar boats, full of gadgets and stuff, and they can't even raise the sail without an electric winch, it's sad
[6:25] <retrosenator> raspberrypifan: that's what I"m wondering heh
[6:25] <raspberrypifan> yea its an ice idea but it dont work
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[6:26] <retrosenator> raspberrypifan: ecuador could be a very interesting place to grow things because you could have many climates at different altitudes if you have several gardens
[6:27] <raspberrypifan> welllll
[6:27] <raspberrypifan> we do grow different stuff in our 3 regions
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[6:27] <retrosenator> coastal mountain and amazon?
[6:28] <raspberrypifan> well techincally galapagos is our 4 region
[6:29] <[Saint]> shiftplusone: is AU still really bad with regard to division of ethnic groups? When I was there many years ago every place had its own little "Greek town", "Jew town", etc.
[6:29] <shiftplusone> [Saint], yeah, absolutely.
[6:29] <shiftplusone> Not sure how 'bad' it really is, but it is a thing.
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[6:30] <shiftplusone> When we first came to Australia, it was nice to have a community straight away to help us out.
[6:30] <retrosenator> I met an australian who explained why the abos are animals
[6:31] <[Saint]> Whoah...
[6:31] <retrosenator> just because they put plastic over their tv and used a sprinkler system inside the house
[6:31] <[Saint]> That's not a fun word.
[6:31] <retrosenator> I thought it was pretty clever when it's 40C
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[6:32] <[Saint]> For future reference, just so you're aware, that's basically "the N word".
[6:32] <[Saint]> Be careful where you dish that out.
[6:32] <retrosenator> oh, I think that's what he used
[6:32] <[Saint]> Likely so. But its outrageously offensive.
[6:32] <[Saint]> Its a derogatory term.
[6:33] <retrosenator> I was studying human evolution, and apparently with recent dna analysis they have found that the natives in australia share dna with an eariler humanoid
[6:34] <retrosenator> as do many people in new guinea and isolated populations throughout southeast asia. In the philippines there are a people with nearly black skin which the locals discriminate against
[6:34] <shiftplusone> To be fair, we ALL share DNA with earlier humanoids >_<
[6:35] <retrosenator> yes, you are right.. but most of us come from a humanoid group which left africa around 30,000 years ago
[6:35] <[Saint]> Melanesians are an offshoot of the same humanoid group.
[6:35] <shiftplusone> Hell, many Europeans have Neanderthal DNA too, so I am not sure how much it says.
[6:35] <retrosenator> they share dna with a group which left 100,000 years ago or so, it's only a small fraction 4-6% of their dna, but significant
[6:35] <retrosenator> [Saint]: yes they are
[6:36] <retrosenator> shiftplusone: that is true also, about 2%, europeans and asians as well,
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[6:36] <retrosenator> ahh lightning close and I saw sparks in my boat
[6:36] <[Saint]> My blood is as pure as the driven snow, therefore, I am superior...because...something.
[6:37] <retrosenator> i'm scared now
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[6:37] <retrosenator> it sparked wherethe wires come from the mast
[6:38] <[Saint]> Well, you are sitting in what is essentially a lightning rod. :)
[6:38] <retrosenator> anyway I don't think it's superior or inferior, just interesting
[6:38] <retrosenator> rainy season seems to be starting way too early, the climate is out of wack
[6:38] <[Saint]> Oh. Same here. I hope it was obvious that my statement above was wildly sarcastic.
[6:39] <[Saint]> I always put "Irrelevant" on any forms that ask my race.
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[6:39] <retrosenator> or put human
[6:40] <shiftplusone> haven't seen a form ask for race O_o
[6:40] <[Saint]> Though some electronic forms don't allow this and force me to select one of a few categories.
[6:40] <retrosenator> shiftplusone: because you are in australia?
[6:40] <retrosenator> [Saint]: isn't there an other?
[6:40] <shiftplusone> there's sometimes a tick box asking if you're Aboriginal or Torres Strait Islander, but that's it.
[6:40] <[Saint]> Nope.
[6:41] <retrosenator> in school we always had white, black, latino, asian, native american, pacific islander, and other/mixed race
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[6:41] <retrosenator> or sometimes mixed race was separate from other
[6:41] <[Saint]> shiftplusone: its on a lot of forms here due to the special treatment the natives get.
[6:42] <retrosenator> they use in in the US I think for statistical reasons to compare test scores
[6:42] <shiftplusone> retrosenator, why? What is that information used for? O_o
[6:42] <shiftplusone> ah
[6:42] <[Saint]> I understand that AU isn't quite as tolerant in regard to attempting to undo the wrongs done to the Aborigines in the past.
[6:42] <retrosenator> I'm going to go set up to catch rain..
[6:42] <[Saint]> Whereas NZ trios over itself constantly in this regard.
[6:42] <[Saint]> "Trips
[6:43] <shiftplusone> Not the best at typing today, ey?
[6:43] <[Saint]> Autocomplete fighting.
[6:43] <[Saint]> On mobile.
[6:43] <shiftplusone> ah
[6:43] <retrosenator> one thing I like here, is there is a market every day and you can get all kinds of things, in nz only a farmers market one a week with only a few people and it cost often more than in a supermarket
[6:43] <shiftplusone> no idea how you can IRC on mobile. I hate on-screen keyboards.
[6:44] <retrosenator> I can go buy a big bag of good to eat seaweed for 25 cents
[6:44] <[Saint]> I'm not sure those words go together.
[6:44] <retrosenator> in wellington it was really weird, the farmers market was completely run by chinese people
[6:45] <[Saint]> Good to eat, and seaweed.
[6:45] <[Saint]> Hmmm.
[6:45] <retrosenator> it's really good seaweed they farm
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[6:45] <retrosenator> you can also get jackfruit here, I got a whole one for 50 cents.. it's about the size of a large watermelon
[6:45] <retrosenator> and it's a delicious fruit
[6:46] <[Saint]> shiftplusone: I don't find it bad with a big enough screen.
[6:46] <retrosenator> also, rum is $2 per liter
[6:46] <[Saint]> Nexus 5 gives me plenty of room for a full qwerty keyboard.
[6:46] <retrosenator> and cigarettes are $1 per pack, so even though I don't smoke, I should bring some to the next country...
[6:47] <shiftplusone> still... thumbtyping.
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[6:47] <[Saint]> I pretty much do that anyway as my hands are all smashed and jacked up.
[6:47] <retrosenator> shiftplusone: have you seen those projector keyboards that plug in usb, and you can type on any surface and it sees your fingers? it projects a screen displaying the keyboard
[6:47] <[Saint]> Not much of a change.
[6:48] <shiftplusone> retrosenator, I saw an Israeli company demo them years back. Are they a thing you can buy now?
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[6:49] <[Saint]> Once the keyboard learns for you it becomes a lot easier.
[6:49] <retrosenator> shiftplusone: hmm I only saw pictures online.. also thare are folding bluetooth keyboards
[6:49] <retrosenator> yeah, if it could learn it would be really interesting
[6:49] <retrosenator> also maybe they have those gloves you can wear now
[6:49] <[Saint]> They can indeed.
[6:50] <[Saint]> My keyboard makes suggestions on the next word based on the frequency of use in my prior writings.
[6:50] <[Saint]> And it sources it from all over the Googlesphere
[6:50] <retrosenator> yes I get this for google search strings
[6:50] <[Saint]> Most sentences write themselves, almost literally.
[6:51] <retrosenator> maybe we can get a plugin for irc to do this?
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[6:52] <[Saint]> Early on, touchscreen keyboards were terrible. But with a modern system they're really good.
[6:53] * shiftplusone would take a slide out keyboard from a G1 over an onscreen keyboard any day.
[6:53] <[Saint]> So would I. But, no one makes a phone with a slide out keyboard that is any good.
[6:54] <[Saint]> The best candidate is the Neo900
[6:54] <[Saint]> And I'm not paying that much for a 4yo refurb.
[6:54] <shiftplusone> hm
[6:54] <retrosenator> I have a folding bluetooth one which folds 4 ways and is quite small
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[6:55] <[Saint]> Physical keyboards on mobile are dead.
[6:55] <shiftplusone> Maybe I should get the G1 out and use it to remote into stuff.
[6:55] <shiftplusone> But then I guess the Pandora is better for that.
[6:55] <[Saint]> Wow. You're one of the like...3 people that got an open Pandora.
[6:56] <shiftplusone> 3? there were at least 5 of us.
[6:56] <[Saint]> ;)
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[6:57] <[Saint]> I should dig out my N900
[6:57] <shiftplusone> Yes, but by the time I got it, I had the pi to play with an lost interest in it, so the Pandora is just an overpriced, obsolete, dust-gathering thing.
[6:58] <[Saint]> Its funny to think how quickly that sector grew.
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[6:58] <[Saint]> My N900 used to be an object of great desire.
[6:58] <[Saint]> Now I don't even know where it is
[6:58] <[Saint]> Its in a box...somewhere.
[6:59] <[Saint]> Possibly.
[7:00] <shiftplusone> I wouldn't mind a Jolla as my next phone, but they're a bit pricey and rare still.
[7:00] <retrosenator> I have some arduinos .. they are basically obsolete too heh
[7:00] <[Saint]> Back in the day when running a full Debian system on your mobile was reserved for only the geekiest few.
[7:00] <retrosenator> although I connect one to the pi to do analog to digital stuff
[7:00] <[Saint]> Now its commonplace.
[7:00] <retrosenator> I was running debian on the beagleboard in 2008 I think
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[7:00] <[Saint]> shiftplusone: I would be wary of abandonment.
[7:00] <[Saint]> Re: Jolla
[7:01] <shiftplusone> hw or software?
[7:01] <retrosenator> the raspberry seems obsolete compared to the new boards, but I guess it's still cheaper
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[7:01] <[Saint]> Software.
[7:01] <shiftplusone> idn, Sailfish seems promising
[7:02] <[Saint]> Though the community could always pick up the pieces in practice this rarely happens.
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[7:02] <[Saint]> Maybe a few poke at it for a year or so and attempt to keep it alive, but ultimately, projects like this seem to be short lived.
[7:03] <[Saint]> Don't get me wrong, though. I'd love it to work out.
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[7:03] <[Saint]> But its an expensive gamble presently.
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[7:03] <shiftplusone> if the price came down, I don't see what the gamble would be. If it works and it hackable.... what more do you need.
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[7:04] <[Saint]> The problems usually arise from the HW quickly becoming irrelevant.
[7:04] <[Saint]> Which is why ibrealky hope Project Ara actually works out.
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[7:04] <[Saint]> Though sadly I see it flopping.
[7:04] <[Saint]> I'd love to be wrong, though.
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[7:05] <[Saint]> Carriers are to blame, really.
[7:05] <retrosenator> [Saint]: where are all the linux users in nz? It seemed hardly anyone there...
[7:06] <shiftplusone> I am not the sort of person who feels the need to upgrade the phone just because there are slightly better phones out, so hardware is rarely an issue for me.
[7:06] <[Saint]> Phones these days are designed to survive the life of the contract.
[7:06] <[Saint]> And no more.
[7:06] <[Saint]> After 2 years, new phone.
[7:06] <[Saint]> So they don't need to be made to last.
[7:06] <[Saint]> Its...sad.
[7:06] <retrosenator> that is sad yes, because most of the components could last
[7:06] <shiftplusone> Idn, my HTC Dream and Galaxy S2 are still good as new.
[7:06] <retrosenator> just replace a small board inside with the processor
[7:07] <[Saint]> Good as new, but, technically obselete.
[7:07] <[Saint]> Want OS updates? Hahahaha....no.
[7:08] <shiftplusone> hurray for xda-developers
[7:08] <[Saint]> Up yours. Bit a new phone. ← every carrier ever
[7:08] <[Saint]> *buy
[7:08] <retrosenator> I still have my ti-89 from 15 years ago
[7:08] <shiftplusone> that's.... a calculator.
[7:08] <[Saint]> No.
[7:09] <[Saint]> Its *THE* calculator.
[7:09] <retrosenator> it was pretty awesome when I got it
[7:09] <shiftplusone> the ti calculators aren't all that different
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[7:10] <retrosenator> this is the best one
[7:10] <shiftplusone> I have a ti 83 from high school and it seems to be capable of enough
[7:10] <[Saint]> The modern ones are crazy.
[7:10] <retrosenator> there are people who ran telnet on the ti89 and could use internet and stuff
[7:10] <[Saint]> 5" screen on a graphing calc.
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[7:10] <retrosenator> [Saint]: what model?
[7:11] <retrosenator> the ti89 could do 3d plots and could integrate equations and all sorts of things the ti83 has much less feature
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[7:12] <shiftplusone> ah
[7:12] <shiftplusone> When I needed that sort of functionality I'd fire up Maple or Matlab.
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[7:14] <shiftplusone> But I think the main feature of these calculators was playing Mario and sneaking notes into exams.
[7:14] <retrosenator> yes of course, but in that time you needed a laptop to run maple
[7:14] <retrosenator> yes, I used to play lots of games
[7:14] <shiftplusone> When I need to integrate stuff I can't do on paper or 3d plots, I am generally at the computer anyway >_<
[7:15] <retrosenator> yes, same here
[7:15] <[Saint]> I just use my phone.
[7:15] <Vutral> ^^
[7:15] <[Saint]> Debian chroot and Android VNC client FTW.
[7:15] <retrosenator> but when I needed to integrate stuff back then and I didn't have a laptop or...
[7:15] <retrosenator> yes now you can do all these things of course
[7:16] <shiftplusone> ah
[7:16] <retrosenator> but 15 years ago was different
[7:17] <shiftplusone> In one class a guy pulled out some ridiculous keyboard with a full qwerty keyboard and could do symbolic maths and other crazy things. No idea what model it was though >_<
[7:17] <[Saint]> Keyboard with a keyboard.
[7:17] <[Saint]> That's meta.
[7:17] <shiftplusone> >.>
[7:17] <shiftplusone> *calculator
[7:17] <clever> <.<
[7:18] <retrosenator> shiftplusone: the ti89 could do sumbolic math
[7:18] <shiftplusone> ah
[7:18] <retrosenator> which is a huge feature over the ti83
[7:18] <retrosenator> ti92 is like the ti89 except with a keyboard
[7:19] <[Saint]> AOSP's default calc can do symbolic math.
[7:19] <shiftplusone> I think it was the ti92, yeah.
[7:19] <clever> wow
[7:19] <clever> the 92 9s bloody huge
[7:19] <clever> i think my school only had ti83's
[7:19] <retrosenator> is obsolete anyway
[7:19] <clever> that was a decade ago
[7:20] <clever> the math class had one for each student, but they had to stay in the glass
[7:20] <shiftplusone> yeah, ti83 was 'the' calculator when I was at school.
[7:20] <clever> the teacher had a more powerfull model of the ti83
[7:20] <clever> extra ram, and an external display port
[7:20] <clever> which could be plugged into a projector sized LCD
[7:21] <clever> that then sat on the normal projector like a transparency
[7:21] <[Saint]> Probably just used it for ascii porn.
[7:21] <retrosenator> yeah we had 7 grays on the ti89
[7:21] <clever> [Saint]: http://fc02.deviantart.net/fs70/f/2009/356/2/a/Mona_Lisa_on_a_TI_83_by_asianpride7625.png
[7:21] <clever> doesnt need ascii! lol
[7:21] <retrosenator> emulated by page flipping in a timer interrupt
[7:21] <clever> i just spotted that by chance while looking at google image
[7:22] <clever> retrosenator: wow, now thats a hack! :D
[7:22] <[Saint]> Risky click.
[7:22] <shiftplusone> Oh.... another thing they were good for. Writing BASIC programs when the teachers were going on about boring stuff.
[7:22] <retrosenator> clever: most games used 4 gray mode though
[7:22] <clever> http://www.bitfellas.org/e107_images/content/zine13/02/Two%20By%20Two%20TI83%20demo.jpg
[7:22] <clever> this seems to use greys
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[7:23] <[Saint]> Rockbox does a similar thing by flashing pixels to emulate different shades on monochromatic displays.
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[7:24] <[Saint]> We can run Doom on the greyscale iPods. ;)
[7:25] <[Saint]> Its actually very neat.
[7:25] <[Saint]> ...not Doom.
[7:25] <[Saint]> Our greylib.
[7:25] <retrosenator> most games were 2d
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[7:26] <clever> http://www.quickmeme.com/img/f1/f15be3b77354efc11082be315966f3b65957d1af9e2b0fb8eace3924f928f292.jpg
[7:26] <clever> portal on a ti83, lol
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[7:26] <clever> pixels look too crisp
[7:26] <[Saint]> It looks hilarious on the tiny Sansa monochrome OLED screens.
[7:27] <[Saint]> 128x64
[7:27] <[Saint]> In all its bicolor monochromatic glory.
[7:28] <[Saint]> (There's two rows of orange pixels and the rest are blue, so it looks super weird)
[7:29] <[Saint]> https://www.google.co.nz/url?sa=t&source=web&rct=j&ei=CHJLU_uFHoSpkwWj4YHgCA&url=http://m.youtube.com/watch%3Fv%3D_ZzaUMp1_z8&cd=2&ved=0CCoQtwIwAQ&usg=AFQjCNH8M7kTFvW2yaStUxMQE4kJUbykyw&sig2=Y43PN13vfcQ2peJEfs2FOA
[7:29] <[Saint]> Whoops.
[7:29] <clever> yeah, i hate it when google does that
[7:30] <[Saint]> Bah. Wrong one.
[7:30] <[Saint]> Doom looks halfway decent on the Zip.
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[7:30] <evil_dan2wik> hi
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[7:30] <evil_dan2wik> Having problems with my Pi again.
[7:31] <shiftplusone> and your network connection, it seems.
[7:31] <evil_dan2wik> DNS is not available and network is unreachable
[7:31] <evil_dan2wik> yes.
[7:31] <[Saint]> SanDisk Sansa Clip+ Rockbox Doom: http://youtu.be/1rVV_0xKmhw
[7:31] <[Saint]> There we go.
[7:31] <evil_dan2wik> And now there is no connection from my Pi
[7:32] <evil_dan2wik> I can ssh to it, I can connect to the internet fine but the Pi has no internet access and drops out frequently.
[7:32] <[Saint]> It looks especially awful on film.
[7:32] <[Saint]> Camera can't keep up with greylibs refresh rate.
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[7:33] <[Saint]> It actually looks somewhat decent on the device.
[7:33] <[Saint]> But, yeah. That's doom on a 128x64 monochrome display. :)
[7:33] <shiftplusone> Did rockbox also have a video player or am I thinking of iPodLinux ?
[7:34] <[Saint]> We play mpeg, yep.
[7:34] <[Saint]> IPL has been dead for years.
[7:34] <shiftplusone> that was a fun novelty too
[7:35] <[Saint]> We're not quite dead yet.
[7:35] <shiftplusone> close enough >.>
[7:35] <[Saint]> But dedicated DAPs are losing ground.
[7:36] <[Saint]> Thankfully we have SDL, and Android apps too.
[7:36] <Scar3cr0w> word
[7:36] <[Saint]> And a generic playback Lin.
[7:36] <[Saint]> *lib
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[7:37] <[Saint]> Only player I know of with a completely user themeable UI.
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[7:38] <[Saint]> And opus playback.
[7:38] <[Saint]> Though I think others are catching up there.
[7:38] <shiftplusone> I didn't find the android app very usable =/
[7:39] <[Saint]> It has some quirks.
[7:39] <[Saint]> Its a lit better now.
[7:39] <[Saint]> *lot
[7:39] <[Saint]> We really need a native UI.
[7:40] <[Saint]> that's one of the things holding it back
[7:40] <evil_dan2wik> Is there anything I can do to fix my Pi's connection or diagnose it?
[7:41] <[Saint]> But the idea is to build an independent playback library so any application can power its playback via Rockbox.
[7:41] <[Saint]> Over halfway there.
[7:42] <[Saint]> We already have a command line based playback implementation called Warble.
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[7:42] <shiftplusone> Tegarding software updates for old phones. Just checked XDA and it seems that there are JB and ICS roms.
[7:42] <shiftplusone> *Regarding
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[7:43] <[Saint]> Very hacky ones. But they exist, yes.
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[7:43] <[Saint]> There won't be any 4.5 or 5 based Roms, though.
[7:44] <[Saint]> Once they ditch dalvik for art, its game over.
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[7:45] <[Saint]> (ART won't build for ARMv6, among many other things)
[7:46] <shiftplusone> hm
[7:47] <shiftplusone> sweet, I just scored a 16GB sd card
[7:47] <shiftplusone> (found it in the old phone)
[7:48] <[Saint]> Its worth noting that the decision to drop ARMv6 is entirely arbitrary. They could, but, they won't.
[7:48] <retrosenator> I set up distcc on my cubie board to help build things on the raspberry pi...
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[7:48] <retrosenator> didn't work because it used illegal instructions
[7:49] <shiftplusone> would make more sense to set it up on your pc
[7:49] <retrosenator> there must be some way to limit it?
[7:49] <retrosenator> shiftplusone: I did both
[7:49] <shiftplusone> http://archlinuxarm.org/developers/distcc-cross-compiling
[7:49] <retrosenator> how do you configure the compiler via distcc to emit instructions for a pi?
[7:49] <retrosenator> because obviously it's an older arch
[7:50] <retrosenator> and I also want to use the same arm compiler to build binaries that can run on newer arms
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[7:50] <[Saint]> That will "just work".
[7:51] <[Saint]> It'll just be hilariously badly optimized.
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[7:53] <retrosenator> yes I don't want that
[7:53] <retrosenator> I guess I don't understand how gcc knows which instructions it can use
[7:54] <pwnz0r> gcc is many preprocessor macros that check th esystem architecture
[7:54] <pwnz0r> has*
[7:55] <pwnz0r> then i chooses the correct path to take based on which chip you have
[7:55] <pwnz0r> operating systems work the same way
[7:55] <[Saint]> Re: "I don't want that"... you don't have a choice.
[7:55] <[Saint]> You can't target a specific arm version and also expect it to be optimized for later versions also.
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[7:57] <retrosenator> preprocessor is done on the pi
[7:57] <retrosenator> but it's more than that, it is also which assembly instructions it is allowed to emit
[7:58] <retrosenator> [Saint]: do you have a solution to this problem?
[7:58] <retrosenator> there must be a way.. like to configure gcc to get special command line arguments from each host
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[8:12] <retrosenator> anyone else using distcc on a network where every machine is slightly different...?
[8:13] <Xark> retrosenator: Have a pre-build step that depoys a compiler binary?
[8:14] <retrosenator> hmm, that would be interesting
[8:14] <retrosenator> or use distcc to build cross compilers
[8:14] <retrosenator> as each one comes online it gets faster and faster
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[8:15] <Xark> retrosenator: The distributed build at work pre-processes files on one machine and sends out minimal compiler binary (no libs or headers). Works fairly well.
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[8:16] <retrosenator> normally pre processing is done on the host
[8:16] <Xark> Yes, that is what I mean by one machine. :)
[8:16] <retrosenator> distcc supports both ways
[8:17] <retrosenator> I was doing this, the issue is I have two arms, and one supports instructions not on the other
[8:17] <retrosenator> the question is how to constrain it properly
[8:19] <Xark> retrosenator: Isn't that just a question of the proper options, e.g., -march=armv6 etc.?
[8:20] <retrosenator> how does gcc know this on the raspberry pi without passing them?
[8:20] <retrosenator> for the local compiler?
[8:20] <Xark> retrosenator: They are the default. You can get it to tell you its default options with IIRC -dumpspecs
[8:20] <retrosenator> perhaps I can just explicitly set them in the cflags, but I would prefer a general solution
[8:20] <retrosenator> so you can get the gcc on the rapsberry to emit armv7?
[8:20] <Xark> retrosenator: Explicitly setting them is the general solution, AFAIK. :)
[8:21] <retrosenator> ok
[8:21] <Xark> retrosenator: I don't know, but probably.
[8:21] <Xark> (however, armv7 libs may not be present - that is a different issue)
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[8:21] <retrosenator> oh, it can be compile without the subarch support?
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[8:22] <Xark> retrosenator: Not without hacking (which is why I say support for other [newer] arm archs probably exists).
[8:22] <retrosenator> I need a way to make distcc add cflags depending on the client hostname
[8:22] <Xark> retrosenator: The flags are for the target arch, I would think (not compile host)?
[8:23] <retrosenator> you are right, in my case this is the same
[8:23] <retrosenator> wait, I'm getting the terms confused..
[8:23] <retrosenator> the flags need to go to the remote computer compiling for the raspberry pi
[8:23] <retrosenator> so it doesn't use armv7
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[10:05] <mike_t> firmware: DSI display support // hm... very interesting...
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[10:06] <shiftplusone> it is?
[10:06] <shiftplusone> are you sure?
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[10:07] <mike_t> https://github.com/raspberrypi/firmware/commit/903985181f817092a5aca759087965dc1e902cb1
[10:08] <shiftplusone> Isn't the upcoming DSI display common knowledge now?
[10:09] <mike_t> I hope :)
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[10:30] <DrWhat> hey guys! can I use the alim' of my Nexus 10 for the Raspberry Pi?
[10:30] <shiftplusone> the what?
[10:31] <DrWhat> the alimentation...the cable ... don't know how to say that ^^'
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[10:32] <shiftplusone> al·i·men·ta·tion (ăl′ə-mĕn-tā′shən) n.1. The act or process of giving or receiving nourishment. O_o
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[10:32] <shiftplusone> the....... power cable?
[10:32] <Hoerie> probably power cable
[10:32] <Hoerie> or the whole charger I guess
[10:32] <DrWhat> the whole charger yes !!
[10:32] <shiftplusone> ah
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[10:32] * Hoerie ne parle pas Francais
[10:32] <shiftplusone> yeah, should be fine. What does it say on it?
[10:33] <DrWhat> Hoerie i do ^^
[10:33] <DrWhat> outpout 5v 2A
[10:33] <shiftplusone> Yeah, perfect
[10:33] <Hoerie> should be ok for the pi I guess
[10:34] <DrWhat> okey thanks (and sorry)
[10:34] <Hoerie> no need to be sorry :-)
[10:34] <shiftplusone> No need to apologize, everyone is welcome.
[10:35] <DrWhat> ow cool, so maybe i can ask one more question?
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[10:35] <shiftplusone> 'course
[10:36] <DrWhat> for the first start, must i connect a screen on it?
[10:36] <shiftplusone> Nope
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[10:37] <shiftplusone> If you use a raw image to install the OS, SSH is enabled by default.
[10:37] <DrWhat> but not the wifi right?
[10:38] <shiftplusone> Do you run linux on your PC?
[10:38] <DrWhat> nop, mac OSX (yes i know Apple is evil ...)
[10:38] <shiftplusone> ah
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[10:38] <DrWhat> i can use the terminal or VNC or oven my Nexus, is not a problem i guess
[10:38] <shiftplusone> yeah wifi is not configured by default
[10:39] <shiftplusone> but if you were running linux, you could pre-configure it before booting the pi.
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[10:40] <DrWhat> i can use VirtualBox or something like that for this?!
[10:40] <shiftplusone> Maybe. If it will give you access to the SD card.
[10:40] <GentileBen> You can use VBox for ANYTHING.
[10:40] <shiftplusone> With a USB sd reader, it will work, but internal sd readers can be a little trickier.
[10:41] <DrWhat> I'll try ... still waiting my raspberry
[10:41] <shiftplusone> I think it will be quicker and easier to configure wifi over ethernet.
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[10:43] <mgottschlag> what about http://blog.applegrew.com/2011/12/access-ext3ext2-file-system-on-mac-osx-lion-10-7/?
[10:44] <mgottschlag> or does the pi use ext4?
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[10:44] <shiftplusone> yeah, most distros use ext4
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[11:19] <DrWhat> my raspberry is here, yeeey \o/
[11:20] <shiftplusone> excellent
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[11:20] <shiftplusone> now lets hope it works on the first try
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[11:20] <DrWhat> i hope to
[11:22] <DrWhat> wow it's really small Oo
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[11:26] <RahulAN> Hii all
[11:26] <shiftplusone> hi
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[11:27] <RahulAN> i need to run a qt application with opencv to process face detect, i have qt 4.6.3
[11:28] <RahulAN> But i heard that it will work only 0on qt 5?
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[11:53] <Davespice> picademy today the office is buzzing :)
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[12:01] <rahul_> shiftplusone, I boot another card.. and put my internet cable there.. but it is not making its ip addr
[12:01] <rahul_> what is missing
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[12:02] <ShorTie> what os did you put on the card ??
[12:02] <rahul_> raspbian
[12:03] <shiftplusone> are the bottom three lights doing anything?
[12:03] <rahul_> yes all lights are working fine
[12:03] <ShorTie> hmmm, it is hooked to a switch or router and not directly to another pc ??
[12:03] <rahul_> and it is also working fine if it is connected to hdmi display
[12:04] <shiftplusone> should this be a static or dynamic IP?
[12:04] <rahul_> ShorTie, it is hooked to a Router
[12:05] <rahul_> shiftplusone, but i want to use it via ssh
[12:06] <rahul_> I am getting display of it and internet is also working fien over there..
[12:06] <rahul_> *fine
[12:06] <rahul_> but ip addr is 192.168.3.10
[12:07] <rahul_> our subnet mask is of 192.168.1.XX
[12:07] <shiftplusone> I am not the best person to address network issues, so I'll be quiet.
[12:08] <rahul_> previously when i was using my card it changes its ipaddr as it is plugged to the internet, otherwise work with the static in cmdline.txt
[12:08] <ShorTie> those are 2 different subnets, are both pc and pi hooked up to same router ??
[12:08] <rahul_> shiftplusone, ok, but who could be right for this
[12:08] <shiftplusone> ShorTie knows his stuff
[12:08] <rahul_> ShorTie, yes
[12:10] <ShorTie> have you changed any thing in /etc/network/interfaces on the pi ??
[12:10] <ShorTie> like trying to define a static ip
[12:13] <rahul_> No
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[12:17] <mfa298> rahul_: might be worth checking what the router is saying the Pi's address is. also if the Pi is connected directly to the router you might want to check that all ports are the same. Some routers put some ports into a guest network
[12:17] <mortal> anyone using pi as a X thinclient?
[12:18] <mortal> I am using it fullhf with turbo overclock and it works very well
[12:18] <rahul_> mfa298, but i used that same cable with my previous card
[12:18] <rahul_> and it was working fine
[12:18] <shiftplusone> heh.... you don't often get people coming here to report that something they're doing is working well, mortal.
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[12:20] <shiftplusone> But yes, I've seen other use the pi as a thin client. It seems like a popular enough use case.
[12:20] <mortal> I have ordered one to work as a irssi+screen server also
[12:20] <mortal> my first pi had super overclocking capabilities
[12:21] <mortal> with memory voltage +2 it is solid turbo
[12:21] <ShorTie> if you got a screen and keyboard hooked up to pi, what does ifconfig say about it for ipaddress
[12:22] <rahul_> ShorTie, it is showiing inet addr: 192.168.3.10
[12:22] <rahul_> Bcast: 192.168.3.255
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[12:23] <rahul_> mask = 255.255.255.0
[12:23] <ShorTie> and on your pc
[12:23] <ShorTie> just ip address, the rest is like defualts
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[12:24] <rahul_> inet addr:192.168.1.16
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[12:24] <nid0> so unless you've defined a static ip on your pi itself, your router is putting it into a different subnet
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[12:25] <rahul_> So how to make it correct?
[12:25] <nid0> does your router support a guest network?
[12:25] <ShorTie> sounds like to me you have them hooked up to different routers, it's the only way you gonna have different subnets using dhcp
[12:26] <rahul_> ShorTie, But when i put my another card (previous one) it changes accordingly with same wire..
[12:29] <mfa298> is there something in the router config that you need to tell it about known devices. It could be choosing the subnet based on whether it knows about the device or not.
[12:29] <ShorTie> interesting
[12:29] <nid0> eh? same pi, same cable, same router connection, but changing sd card (ie changing os) brings it up on 192.168.1?
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[12:29] <andrewpoi> just something you guys might know about
[12:30] <andrewpoi> i'm following the guide to setting up Jasper on my Raspberry Pi
[12:30] <andrewpoi> it says "After connecting to Jasper’s temporary network, browse to 192.168.1.1:8000/cgi-bin/index.cgi and follow the on-screen instructions."
[12:30] <andrewpoi> but typing that in my browser doesn't seem to work
[12:30] <andrewpoi> it says page not found
[12:30] <andrewpoi> also adds http:// at the start.. not sure if that's the intention
[12:31] <nid0> is the ip right for your pi?
[12:32] <rahul_> I got it working
[12:32] <rahul_> :)
[12:32] <rahul_> i just add it
[12:32] <andrewpoi> on the pi's monitor, it says "My IP address is 192.168.0.12"
[12:33] <nid0> so http://192.168.0.12:8000/cgi-bin/index.cgi then
[12:33] <andrewpoi> if i try 192.168.0.12:8000/cgi-bin/index.cgi it also doesn't work
[12:33] <andrewpoi> says page not found
[12:33] <shiftplusone> what if you just http://192.168.0.12:8000 ?
[12:34] <andrewpoi> i think i tried that. obviously to try something out i have to disconnect from the internet/IRC
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[12:34] <andrewpoi> but the fact that it hosts its own network. anything i can do to find out it's ip for certain from there?
[12:34] <andrewpoi> or any shortcut i can use to access 'the computer hosting the network'?
[12:36] <nid0> when you're connected to the Jasper network what's your computer's IP
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[12:46] <andrewpoi> i'm back. my IP address when i'm connected to the Jasper network is 169.254.107.174
[12:47] <ShorTie> that is not a valid ip address
[12:47] <andrewpoi> it's not a wifi network
[12:47] <mike_t> it's valid but link-local
[12:47] <ShorTie> it means it is not hooked up to any thing normally
[12:49] <ShorTie> if every thing is hooked up right, i'd look into if the correct module for the nic is loaded
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[12:58] <andrewpoi> so in my etc/network/interfaces file on the raspberry pi, it says my address is 192.168.1.1, netmask is 255.255.255.0, wireless channel 1, wireless essid Jasper, wireless-mode ad-hoc
[12:58] <andrewpoi> i don't know if any of this tells me anything.
[12:59] <ShorTie> it means it is setting the interface staticall to 192.168.1.1, which is normally a router
[13:00] <RahulAN> can we use usb cemera with pi
[13:00] <ShorTie> try changing the last 1 to a different #, or the last 2 if your not on the 192.168.1.x subnet
[13:00] <RahulAN> ?
[13:01] <ShorTie> RahulAN, sure if it has linux drivers
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[13:02] <ShorTie> just plug it in and check dmesg to see what it says about it
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[13:04] <ShorTie> or just 'ls /dev' and see if there is a video0 directory
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[13:05] <ShorTie> most likely that is where it will be
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[13:08] <mike_t> ShorTie it means it is not hooked up to any thing normally // no, it's ok in ad-hoc mode
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[13:09] <RahulAN> ShorTie, no there is no video0 dir
[13:10] <RahulAN> ShorTie, what if it don't have then?
[13:11] <ShorTie> look in dmesg and see what it says about it
[13:12] <ShorTie> you did plug it in right cause video0 will not show up till then
[13:12] <ShorTie> i gotta go take care of the chicks, so i'll bbiab
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[13:17] <RahulAN> ShorTie, nothing is there related to it
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[13:21] <shiftplusone> Good sale on GOG (witcher games especially) if anyone is into that sort of thing.
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[13:39] <RahulAN> I am not getting keyboard sequence.. as of mine as i am connecting my Rpi with HDMI display
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[14:06] <skoushik> Hi. I've been trying out PiFm recently, and I've wondered if you could change the broadcast time of it? Currently it seems to play only a few seconds of the .wav file.
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[14:45] <Haxxa> ANy suggestions I want a basic os for a raspberry pi that can play video from a samba share as well as have sheel access and the ability to ssh into another linux box - so basic video player, basic sever file explorer, shell and ssh ability
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[14:57] <mfa298> Haxxa: I think rasbmc would do most of that for you (I'm not sure how easily you can get a local shell but you can ssh into it for a shell)
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[14:57] <mfa298> otherwise pretty much any distro should be able to do all that you may just need to set it up.
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[15:05] <[Saint]> Install omxplayer in Arch or a Debian netinst
[15:06] <[Saint]> Probably the most minimal setup you could get non-trivially
[15:06] <gordonDrogon> even raspbian will do all that.
[15:07] <[Saint]> Sure. But its hardly a "basic is" as OP wanted
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[15:07] <[Saint]> s/is/is/
[15:07] <[Saint]> Bah. Foiled again by auto complete
[15:08] <SirLagz> haha
[15:08] <SirLagz> was wondering whether I missed something there
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[15:09] <[Saint]> I may be wrong, but I assumed "basic" was a synonym for minimal.
[15:10] <gordonDrogon> also easy.
[15:10] <[Saint]> Which indirectly means 'without the tonne if educational goodies raspbian comes with"
[15:10] <gordonDrogon> but maybe raspbian fails there ;-)
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[15:10] <[Saint]> Why does my keyboard hate "if"?
[15:11] <[Saint]> Awww...dammit lol.
[15:11] <gordonDrogon> your keyboard loves it- it's your little grey cells...
[15:11] <[Saint]> Of. Of of of.
[15:11] <mfa298> I took basic as easy to setup rather than minimal OS install but it could be either
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[15:12] <[Saint]> Hmmm. Good point.
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[15:20] <Solak> hmm, I just realize: a pi and a powered-hub: connect both to the powersource and then connect the usb, or connect the usb and then in a (specific) order the powersource?
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[15:29] <ShorTie> power source last
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[15:32] <gordonDrogon> yup. hdmi monitor & power/out of standby first, Pi power last.
[15:33] <gordonDrogon> if using a powered hub I'd use that to power the Pi too...
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[15:37] <Solak> so, first connect everything to the hub, then power -> hub and next power -> pi?
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[15:41] <gordonDrogon> yes - although you might find the hub powers the Pi anyway.
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[15:43] <Solak> gordonDrogon: the pi-adapter is 5V 1.2A and the hub's adapter is 5V 1A (but now only has a 5V 100mA wireless keyboard-mouse-receiver connected).
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[15:44] <[Saint]> Indeed. It shouldn't, but USB spec seems to be treated like its a rough guideline instead of solid rules.
[15:44] <Solak> yes, that's in the FAQ on powerfeedback.
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[15:45] <Solak> looks somewhat dangerous...
[15:45] <[Saint]> Another commonly broken rule is supplying devices that don't enumerate with way too much power.
[15:46] <[Saint]> If the device doesn't communicate its power needs it should only get 100mA.
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[15:47] <[Saint]> But a lot of USB ports just don't seem to care about that in the slightest.
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[15:47] <Solak> [Saint]: so in fact there's no way to tell what the safest method is to connect usb devices with a powered hub?
[15:50] <[Saint]> In theory, no. But most everything should have adequate overvoltage protection.
[15:50] <[Saint]> But even that isn't really a safe bet with some cheaply made items or fakes.
[15:52] <[Saint]> Common odd symptoms of a backpowering USB hub on a PC are fans spinning constantly after shutdown/power off, refusal to suspend, it can be very non-obvious to an end user.
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[16:16] <Solak> [Saint]: I wonder if it wouldn't be safer to connect both independently and finally connect the usb-cable from the hub to the pi. Only reason not to do it that way is shortcut.
[16:16] <Solak> [Saint]: but I'm not even sure that's a problem with usb(connectors).
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[16:17] <[Saint]> Its safe to backpower a pi from a hub.
[16:17] <[Saint]> It just shouldn't happen.
[16:20] <mfa298> If you're concerned about it I'd probably connect the USB cable first then turn the Pi and Hub on together.
[16:20] <Solak> [Saint]: hmm, and what about connecting usb devices to the hub after connecting the powersources (in hub, pi order)?
[16:21] <SirLagz> anyone know if bad caps on a motherboard will start fires ?
[16:21] <qatz> http://www.ebaumsworld.com/video/watch/84012050/
[16:21] <Solak> mfa298: I'm not that fast, connecting the powersources :-)
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[16:25] <gordonDrogon> SirLagz, unlikely, but no more probable than any other small electronics device I'd have thought.
[16:26] <gordonDrogon> I suspect that after the batch of bad capacitors a few years back the manufacturers have been more stringent with their checks.
[16:26] <SirLagz> gordonDrogon: that's what I figure
[16:26] <SirLagz> I found a motherboard with bad caps, but i'm just going to use it as a media PC anyway so I don't care if it dies soon or anything haha
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[16:29] <gordonDrogon> Yea - I had a rack full of motherboards with bad caps back then )-:
[16:29] <gordonDrogon> none actually failed but they were all bulging somewhat alarmingly.
[16:30] <SirLagz> yeah this one has some cap goo on top of some of the caps
[16:31] <gordonDrogon> I think there is only one electrolytic cap. on a Pi anyway - the power smoothing one.
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[16:37] <AbbyTheRat> I got my self a future raspberry pi project :)
[16:37] <IT_Sean> oh?
[16:37] <IT_Sean> besides the Alarm Clock of Death?
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[16:38] <AbbyTheRat> yes
[16:38] <IT_Sean> Care to share?
[16:38] <AbbyTheRat> someone threw out a radio controlled car..
[16:39] <AbbyTheRat> of reasonable size.. figured I could attempt to make a smart RC car :)
[16:39] <AbbyTheRat> well, it's more of a pick up truck but yeah
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[16:40] <[Saint]> I hope it didn't hurt.
[16:40] <[Saint]> When they threw it, I mean.
[16:41] <gordonDrogon> 10 LET x = (7 + 8) / 3
[16:41] <gordonDrogon> 20 PRINT x
[16:41] <gordonDrogon> 30 END
[16:41] <gordonDrogon> was the very first BASIC program.
[16:41] * IT_Sean thumps [Saint]
[16:41] <AbbyTheRat> hehe, nice one [Saint] ^^'
[16:41] <AbbyTheRat> you .. er.. *looks IT_Sean then back to [Saint]* cheeky person
[16:42] <[Saint]> One of the better things I've been called.
[16:42] <[Saint]> I'll take it. ;)
[16:42] <AbbyTheRat> not the word I was intending but it's close enough
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[16:44] <[Saint]> Oooohhhh...you smug little fat fluffy thing. Grrrr. Kitten chewed up the S-pen for the 12.2 Pro.
[16:44] <[Saint]> ← not impressed
[16:46] <[Saint]> She's well pleased with herself too.
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[17:11] <AbbyTheRat> time to take RC apart to check it out
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[17:13] <Solak> ok, it works. first powered the hub then the pi... since the pi's powerlight didn't fire up, I assume there's no power-feedback...
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[17:21] <[Saint]> Accurate assumption indeed.
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[17:21] <gordonDrogon> and you have a hub that actually does what they're supposed to do.
[17:22] <gordonDrogon> you can still use the hub to power the pi - just connect a standard usb to �USB lead from the hub to the Pi.
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[17:25] <Solak> gordonDrogon: it is good as it is now, and I probably don't need the hub (wireless mouse/keyboard seems to draw only max.100mA).
[17:26] <Solak> now up to fixing the next problem: adjusting the config.txt for tv :)
[17:26] <AbbyTheRat> argghhhh, this screw is stuck fast and I'm slowly threading the screw head !
[17:26] <Solak> at least on the left one char is missing, and it is 4:3 (while the TV has 14:9, which is more readable anyway :))
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[17:31] <gordonDrogon> Solak, hdmi or compost video?
[17:31] <Solak> composite
[17:32] <Solak> so I created a new one (there was a lot of config* but no config.txt) and added sdtv_mode (2), sdtv_aspect (2) and overscan for right and left (20).
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[17:34] <basss> hello, is there a way to fsck the raspbmc SD card ? i'm getting a read-only error while trying to do so
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[17:37] <gordonDrogon> you can't run fsck on the mounted ext4 partition.
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[17:38] <basss> gordonDrogon: i did a umount beforehand
[17:39] <gordonDrogon> does it let you do that? I'm not that familair with raspbmc..
[17:39] <basss> gordonDrogon: im plugging the sd card on a separate linux machine
[17:40] <gordonDrogon> ah, ok.
[17:40] <basss> gordonDrogon: trying to fsck under ubuntu
[17:40] <gordonDrogon> check the write-protect tab. the Pi ignores it, but maybe your PC doesn't.
[17:41] <basss> gordonDrogon: will do
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[17:47] <basss> gordonDrogon: solved the problem thanks !
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[17:54] <gordonDrogon> great.
[17:55] <IT_Sean> If you pop the write protect tab entirely off an SD card, would it read as normal or write-protect in a complaint slot?
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[17:56] <gordonDrogon> seems to be a mechanical switch that's pressed with it in the read/write position.
[17:56] <gordonDrogon> so with it removed it would default to read-only.
[17:56] <gordonDrogon> in a complint slot...
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[17:57] <chithead> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Secure_Digital Cards sold with content which must not be altered are permanently marked read-only by having a notch and no sliding tab.
[17:57] <IT_Sean> oh.
[17:58] <IT_Sean> chithead: that seems a bit insecure, as it is super-easy to modify a slot to read the card as writable then
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[17:58] <gordonDrogon> so thats just like floppys in ye old days that didn't have the notch cut-out.
[17:58] <IT_Sean> indeed
[17:58] <chithead> I think a "secure" write protect notch did not exist since the days of 5.25" floppies
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[18:19] <herdingcat> Hi, I built a small Linux distro running on RPi so what kind of filesystem can prevent data loss when power cutoff?
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[18:19] <herdingcat> I would like to use a reliable filesystem
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[18:20] <gordonDrogon> it's an almost impossible task.
[18:20] <chithead> I suggest that you can look at how openwrt does it, a base filesystem which is read-only, and a read-write overlay filesystem
[18:20] <gordonDrogon> probably more easier to try to not have the power cut off.
[18:20] <chithead> openwrt routers are typically shut down by pulling the plug
[18:21] <gordonDrogon> it is an intersting challenge :)
[18:21] <herdingcat> okay, I can use squashfs, of course.
[18:21] <herdingcat> But how do I upgrade the system? have to recreate the whole image?
[18:22] <chithead> you create a second squashfs snapshot of the system, and switch them on next reboot
[18:24] <herdingcat> chithead, sorry, can you elaborate it?
[18:25] <chithead> you have squashfs + overlay. all writes (e.g. new package installs) go to the overlay. once in a while you do an mksquashfs which creates a new squashfs which has all the new/changed files included. on next reboot you set that squashfs as new root and clean up the overlay
[18:26] <herdingcat> chithead, sounds good, but how do I create the overlay?
[18:26] <chithead> openwrt uses overlayfs. alternative concepts include union mounts, unionfs or aufs
[18:27] <AbbyTheRat> I've not seen relay like this before, so interesting
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[18:28] <chithead> also possible is lvm writable snapshots but they can get corrupted without you noticing
[18:28] <herdingcat> chithead, right, I ever use squshfs to create LiveCD w/ readonly-root
[18:30] <herdingcat> thanks chithead
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[19:15] <IT_Sean> bwahahahahahahahahahahaha!
[19:15] <IT_Sean> err...
[19:15] <IT_Sean> i mean...
[19:15] <IT_Sean> ... Hello.
[19:15] <ShorTie> Good Morning
[19:16] <IT_Sean> Good afternoon.
[19:16] <ShorTie> so how are you this evening ??
[19:16] <IT_Sean> I'm good this afternoon... Just got back to the office with some phood for lunch.
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[19:17] <ShorTie> sweet, about to make some chicken salad sandwiches myself
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[19:24] <Megaf> IT_Sean, same here
[19:25] <Megaf> just got back to office and I had a great lunch
[19:25] <Megaf> I'm a fantastic cook :)
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[19:26] <johnc-> I just got done adding python support to my smart home framework so it's more palatable to rpi users when I start releasing it :)
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[21:45] <crumb> hi
[21:45] <crumb> i wanna do this mod.. http://www.kappasite.pwp.blueyonder.co.uk/raspberry_pip2.htm
[21:45] <crumb> but it says the lapdock needs to be modded
[21:45] <crumb> i don't see what change he's made
[21:46] <IT_Sean> There are a massive pile of lapdock raspi how-tos on the innernet.
[21:46] <crumb> i'm sure
[21:46] <crumb> but this doesn't look modded.. http://www.kappasite.pwp.blueyonder.co.uk/Raspberry_Pip/PIP2/pip2_modification.jpg
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[21:47] <IT_Sean> I haven't got a lapdock, so, nothing to compare to. Sorry.
[21:48] <crumb> ok
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[21:49] <nini_22> hi
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[21:49] <nini_22> i have problem with raspbmc anyone can help?
[21:50] <IT_Sean> just state your problem nini_22. If anyone can help, they will respond.
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[21:50] <nini_22> IT_Sean here it is http://puu.sh/88IQg.png
[21:51] <nini_22> so when i try to update libraries it says dpkg was interrupted
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[21:51] <nini_22> i need it to install hyperion
[21:51] <[SLB]> it's telling you to run a command to fix it
[21:52] <nini_22> i dont know what command exactly, it says to run sudo dpkg , but it doesnt do anytthing
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[21:52] <[SLB]> sudo dpkg --configure -a doesn't work?
[21:53] <nini_22> hm it seems that it works, thanks :)
[21:53] <[SLB]> :)
[21:54] <nini_22> ah right it wrote to put this command, im stupid..
[21:54] <[SLB]> it's ok eheh
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[21:59] <LalaPlus> Is the raspberry pi able to work with usb 1.1 low speed device (1mbps)
[21:59] <LalaPlus> I heard there are some problems with USB so
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[22:00] <IT_Sean> Yeah, that shouldn't be an issue.
[22:00] <crumb> LalaPlus: yeah, it's really underpowered
[22:00] <LalaPlus> What you mean 'underpowered'
[22:00] <IT_Sean> The "issues" with USB are related to power
[22:00] <LalaPlus> 1mbit is slow yes
[22:00] <IT_Sean> The raspi can't handle high draw devices
[22:00] <LalaPlus> but it is just a power switch module so it is plenty fast
[22:01] <crumb> i couldn't even use a usb keyboard, i have to wait like like 20-30 seconds between each key press
[22:01] <LalaPlus> The device has its own power plug so I dont think it is an issue
[22:01] <IT_Sean> should be fine then
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[22:01] <LalaPlus> someone at my university had a problem with a usb stick on the pi
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[22:01] <LalaPlus> It was very slow (0.3MB/s)
[22:02] <LalaPlus> but then he overclocked, only 100MHz more IIRC and it went to 5MB/s, somewhat strange
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[22:08] <tonsofpcs> so I've had the pi do its usb reset on me again, it seems to like to happen when syslog rehups at 6:25 in the morning. I've also found a way to cause it to happen - running a relatively heavy file read and numpy array mangling...
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[22:09] <ShorTie> try a different power supply first is what i'd suggest
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[22:10] <IT_Sean> Indeed. Sounds like you need moar powah!
[22:10] <IT_Sean> "I CANNOH DOOET CAP'N. I DONOT AAHV THE PHOAH!"
[22:11] <tonsofpcs> how big of a PSU is it worth having? (note: rev1)
[22:11] <IT_Sean> 1A recommended.
[22:11] <ShorTie> i like a 2 amp'r
[22:11] <IT_Sean> More if you want to power stuff, like a hub and whatbot, off the PSU as well.
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[22:11] <tonsofpcs> well, I can get a 4.2A psu but that won't go into it...
[22:11] <IT_Sean> That'll be fine
[22:11] <tonsofpcs> I mean, there's a polyfuse that prevents at a certain draw...
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[22:12] <LalaPlus> 4.2A, with micro usb?
[22:12] <IT_Sean> yeah, but the pi will only draw aht it needs
[22:12] <LalaPlus> the connector will melt for sure?
[22:12] <ShorTie> could be your usb cable, if it is real thin
[22:12] <IT_Sean> the rating on the PSU is just a LIMIT of what the supply can supply
[22:12] <LalaPlus> Of course, but why would they make a PSU that can give such a high current?
[22:12] <tonsofpcs> IT_Sean: right, which is why I ask what the pi will actually draw
[22:12] <IT_Sean> you can put a 10,000A supply into the Pi, so long as it is 5v, and no harm will come.
[22:12] <tonsofpcs> LalaPlus: it has 4 ports.
[22:12] <LalaPlus> Ah, makes sense
[22:13] <tonsofpcs> IT_Sean: I have a 15,000V supply at 35mA. That's kinda the same but backwards, would that work? :D
[22:13] <LalaPlus> what is it?
[22:13] <LalaPlus> neon transformer?
[22:13] <tonsofpcs> NST, yes.
[22:13] <tonsofpcs> it runs my jacob's ladder
[22:13] <LalaPlus> quite a bit more than 35mA if you short it
[22:13] <LalaPlus> what will likely happen if you connect it to the pi
[22:13] <ShorTie> only if you hook it up backwards maybe
[22:13] <tonsofpcs> no, it's fused (read: the wires we use will melt)
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[22:13] <IT_Sean> huh... That's a beefy supply. Nastiest I have is a 10kV one. I use it to blow crap up.
[22:14] <tonsofpcs> IT_Sean: I'd totally make a pi-powered jacob's ladder but it wouldn't be safe.
[22:14] <LalaPlus> high voltage lab at university has 250kV at 1A IIRC
[22:15] <tonsofpcs> ok, running my numpy/matplotlib code against a 39.9 MB log file then waiting for the pi to bring back ethernet so i can see the results :D
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[22:16] <ShorTie> tonsofpcs, you got a multimeter, measure tp1-tp2 to see it's heart bet
[22:16] <tonsofpcs> ShorTie: what should I see on those testpoints? (and where are they? are they situated that I can get a scope probe on them?)
[22:17] <IT_Sean> you don't need a scope... just a multimeter
[22:17] <IT_Sean> they should be at 5v dc
[22:17] <IT_Sean> i.e. 5v across them
[22:17] <ShorTie> they are marked on the board
[22:17] <tonsofpcs> oh, those. yea, I had a bad PSU and they were good after I replaced it... haven't tried while it was under load.
[22:18] <tonsofpcs> (under the heavy load that 'kills' it, that is)
[22:18] <LalaPlus> tonsofpcs: why does ethernet go away when you run your numpy script?
[22:18] <tonsofpcs> LalaPlus: the usb hub disconnects
[22:18] <LalaPlus> ugh
[22:18] <LalaPlus> why?
[22:19] <tonsofpcs> because pi.
[22:19] <LalaPlus> ah
[22:19] <ShorTie> like i said, if your usb cable is small/thin in size, you can get a big voltage drop from it too...
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[22:19] <LalaPlus> That seems more like a software issue than power actually. Some (shitty) embedded usb controllers let the CPU do everything instead of using EHCI
[22:20] <LalaPlus> so if you use them with linux which is not a rtos they crap out
[22:20] <tonsofpcs> ShorTie: yea, it's 2x 24 AWG conductors for each (vcc and gnd)
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[22:39] <tonsofpcs> yay! I have a plot! now to figure out how to stack multiple data sources :)
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[23:09] <tonsofpcs> on the good side, it seems the issue was when I was saving the array which I no longer have to do
[23:11] <tonsofpcs> on the bad side, it seems the issue happens again when I try writing the .png...
[23:12] <tonsofpcs> I think I need a new SD card.
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[23:12] <tonsofpcs> (or to let up on my log writes from the other ever-running process)
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[23:31] <SpeedEvil> http://www.samsung.com/us/business/displays/digital-signage/LH22UDBPLBB/ZA# - 21.5" square display.
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[23:32] <SpeedEvil> (not related to anything, just thought it was cool for some apps perhaps)
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[23:32] <tonsofpcs> gah, and now it's killing processes randomly... (low ram?) going to reboot to see if that helps. Maybe a 1500-item moving average is a bit much...
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[23:34] <rikkib> tonsofpcs, What are you working on?
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[23:36] <rikkib> My wind vane hardware ran all night on test Now sending 1646938622...ok...Got response 1646938622, round-trip delay: 110 Chip Temp = DE Band Gap = 17C Light = 100 Temp = 188 X = FF64 Z = 8E Y = FFDC LVD = 0
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[23:37] <TM26> What is that new stuff like a ram memory ???
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[23:39] <hephaestus_rg> how much do those displays cost SpaceLizard
[23:39] <hephaestus_rg> i mean SpeedEvil
[23:39] <tonsofpcs> rikkib: Raspberry pi thermostat data graphing
[23:40] <SpeedEvil> hephaestus_rg: No idea
[23:40] <rikkib> Ahhhh I need to do that myself
[23:40] <SpeedEvil> I would imagine 4-500 quid
[23:40] <rikkib> I am building a weather station
[23:40] <tonsofpcs> rikkib: http://nbviewer.ipython.org/url/jakevdp.github.com/downloads/notebooks/XKCD_plots.ipynb is the best example I've found on how to handle data to feed into matplotlib
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[23:41] <rikkib> Cheers for the link
[23:41] <SpeedEvil> http://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/product/964055-REG/samsung_ud22b_21_5_led_lcd.html $2100 first I found
[23:41] <tonsofpcs> rikkib: http://imgur.com/efYudXP
[23:42] <tonsofpcs> (yes, we had some crazy weather this past weekend)
[23:42] <rikkib> http://www.zlham.geek.nz/images/news/rpi-sys1.jpg
[23:42] <SpeedEvil> https://exdemohut.com/displays/samsung-ud22b-lh22udbplbb-en-as-new?gclid=COy06-r44L0CFfMQtAodY1gAxg 1200 ex-demo
[23:42] <rikkib> Wind Vane hardware http://www.zlham.geek.nz/images/news/rpi-mc9s08-2.jpg
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[23:43] <tonsofpcs> dieing when I try to split on \n... hmm, let me pull out the redundant lines
[23:44] <tonsofpcs> rikkib: why so many pi?
[23:44] <tonsofpcs> (also, the image is only half loaded)
[23:44] <rikkib> Spare
[23:44] <rikkib> toys
[23:44] <tonsofpcs> ok, so there's only one actively working on this?
[23:45] <tonsofpcs> I note that '2' and '4' are rev1, the rest are rev 2 ;)
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[23:45] <rikkib> Spares for my Camera network http://122.61.65.146
[23:46] <tonsofpcs> ah, 52M instead of 112M, that should be easier.
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[23:47] <tonsofpcs> my thermostat is as modular as I can make it reasonably. Settings are read regularly from a file, changes are written to a file, temps are read from a file handle provided by the 1wire module, the main loop does handle the relay toggling directly though. Makes my web interface dead simple php, graphing is done against the log
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