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IRC Log for 2014-04-16

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[0:00] <gordonDrogon> CharlieBra7o, gcc -o file file.c -lwiringPi
[0:00] <CharlieBra7o> hi gordonDrogon
[0:00] <CharlieBra7o> by file.c you mean what exactly?
[0:00] <gordonDrogon> assuming you've correctly installed wiringPi.
[0:01] <gordonDrogon> file.c, file.c++, cpp, etc. the file you're compiling.
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[0:01] <CharlieBra7o> i guess so, i have also, according to some response you gave someone, reinstalled it with clean, uninstall, build
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[0:02] <gordonDrogon> if the command: gpio -v works, then its installed ok.
[0:03] <CharlieBra7o> yeah, it does
[0:03] <CharlieBra7o> i also controlled an led to try it out - worked fine
[0:03] <gordonDrogon> ok
[0:03] <gordonDrogon> zed time for me. enjoy!
[0:03] <CharlieBra7o> mh wait... i tried compiling the thing about 20 times now and suddenly it worked
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[0:04] <CharlieBra7o> *try*
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[0:05] <CharlieBra7o> okay, for some reason it now worked compiling directly on the rpi
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[0:12] <CharlieBra7o> gordonDrogon: is it possible to crosscompile with the lib installed on the compiling system?
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[0:30] * Solak still wonders what the best setting is in config.txt for 16;9 composite (i.e. regarding framebuffer width and height).
[0:31] <Solak> video's and text in it are real clear, but the console text isn't...
[0:32] <Solak> it doesn'y have to be good, that's impossible, but a bit more readable would be nice...
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[0:33] <phire> I useally just up the size of the console font
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[0:34] <Solak> phire: you mean increasing the font-size?
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[0:35] <Raynerd> Evening
[0:36] <Raynerd> AbbyTheRat: Clock made yet?
[0:36] <AbbyTheRat> no
[0:36] <AbbyTheRat> but I'm uploading a video fo the working LCD
[0:37] <Raynerd> Still slacking!
[0:37] <AbbyTheRat> I got it today, put it together
[0:37] <Raynerd> Rock and roll!!!
[0:37] <AbbyTheRat> ... wait a minute.. where the hell is my kid?
[0:37] <[SLB]> i have overscan left and right -20, top -30 bottom -28, framebuffer all commented, hdmi drive 2, group 1
[0:37] <AbbyTheRat> brb
[0:37] <Solak> g'evening, Raynerd
[0:37] <phire> Solak, sudo dpkg-reconfigure console-setup
[0:37] <[SLB]> and mode 4
[0:37] <ShorTie> heck*
[0:37] <Raynerd> Evening Solak
[0:38] <Solak> [SLB]: that's hdmi, I'm now using a 16:9 tv with composite...
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[0:38] <[SLB]> ah ok, i doubt then you could get clearly readable font :\
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[0:40] <phire> oh, composite...
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[0:41] <phire> yeah...
[0:41] <AbbyTheRat> -
[0:42] <AbbyTheRat> Raynerd: I'm getting there
[0:42] <phire> framebuffer_width=320
[0:42] <phire> framebuffer_height=240
[0:42] <phire> might make it readable
[0:42] <Raynerd> Raynerd: Superb.
[0:42] <AbbyTheRat> I just can't spare much time to it at time
[0:43] <Raynerd> Know the feeling!
[0:43] <Solak> phire: thanks! I didn't have it installed yet, but the curses config menu looks very readable.
[0:43] <AbbyTheRat> got another projec tgoing at the same time
[0:43] <Solak> 320 is 40 chars :/
[0:43] <AbbyTheRat> which is build a degu cage door
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[0:43] <AbbyTheRat> got the frame done, just got to cut the plastic down to size
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[0:44] <AbbyTheRat> hard to do that with kid running around
[0:44] <phire> Did anyone ever do above 40 chars on a tv?
[0:45] <phire> I seem to remember all computers which plugged into the tv (apple ][, c64, etc) only had 40 char displays
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[0:48] <Solak> phire: yes, but that was 4:3... anyway, 80cols on a C128 with composite doesn't look good either...
[0:48] <Raynerd> Anyone know how I can fix my two dead raspberry pis??? Red light indicates power, fuse is fine... But no boot!
[0:49] * lupinedk is now known as Lupinedk
[0:49] <phire> Raynerd, are you sure the sd card is formatted correctly?
[0:49] <ShorTie> sounds like it's not seeing the sdcard
[0:49] <Solak> Raynerd: sdcard problem? I had something like that with my pi: image on sdcard was corrupt.
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[0:50] <Raynerd> No.. Sd is fine and dandy and making contact
[0:50] <Raynerd> I know because I can pull out a perfectly good card working in another pi and test it ...nothing
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[0:51] <phire> Raynerd, what is the status of the ok led? off or very faint glow?
[0:51] <ShorTie> did you try like squeezing the sdcard against the pi
[0:51] <Raynerd> Constant very very faint green glow. Almost not there but it is
[0:52] <Raynerd> Yes, tried squeezing
[0:52] <Solak> oh, you mean bended sdcards?
[0:52] <phire> pretty sure that means it's not even running the first stage of the bootloader off the sd card
[0:52] <ShorTie> send them back thru the school, i bet they replace them free
[0:52] <Raynerd> I was hooked up to the gpio weather station both times so I'm thinking gpio has killed it somehow?!?
[0:52] <Raynerd> I
[0:53] <[SLB]> ^
[0:53] <ShorTie> does sound like it maybe
[0:53] <Raynerd> Can I do that?? :-S
[0:54] <Raynerd> I don't know what or how to test any other components!
[0:54] <[SLB]> i would say avoid to plug the weather station to your third pi :p
[0:55] <Raynerd> Ha.. To late
[0:55] <[SLB]> and it still works?
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[1:00] <AbbyTheRat> Raynerd: so the pi still working?
[1:01] <Raynerd> ?
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[1:01] <AbbyTheRat> [18:54:59] <[SLB]> i would say avoid to plug the weather station to your third pi :p [18:55:29] <Raynerd> Ha.. To late [18:55:42] <[SLB]> and it still works?
[1:01] <ShorTie> 3rd time is a charm they say, i guess
[1:01] <Raynerd> Yes, that one is. The other worked fine for a few months then went pop!
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[1:02] <phire> so its a rare and hard to reproduce problem?
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[1:02] <ShorTie> sure the inerds of the weather station didn't get wet/condinsation and short out ??
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[1:03] <Raynerd> Yes.. Don't know what is causing it but I'd love to know what has actually blown on the pi!!
[1:03] <Raynerd> ShorTie: No, as despite it being a weather station. The pi has been in test mode inside!
[1:04] <ShorTie> oh, ok
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[1:07] <AbbyTheRat> So it could be for any number rasons still
[1:07] <AbbyTheRat> bad power
[1:07] <AbbyTheRat> something causing feedback on the GPIO
[1:09] <ShorTie> that ^ most likely
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[1:13] <ShorTie> are the unused gpio pins covered ??
[1:14] <ShorTie> just wondering if kids might be touching them while it's on
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[1:16] <Raynerd> It's out of sight and it actually blew at 6pm on a saturday!!
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[1:24] <AbbyTheRat> hmm
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[1:24] <AbbyTheRat> was there a power surge?
[1:24] <AbbyTheRat> a thunderstorm around then?
[1:24] <Demon_Jester> hey guys on the rpi how can i assign wireless card to a interface? I have two wireless cars on my rpi and I just want to use specific one to connect to my home network and keep the other free
[1:24] <Demon_Jester> is there a way to do that?
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[1:25] <phire> udev
[1:26] <Demon_Jester> phire: was that towards me?
[1:26] <phire> yes
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[1:26] <Demon_Jester> ok i will take a look at the man page if there is one
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[1:27] <phire> http://www.debianhelp.co.uk/udev.htm
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[1:33] <ShorTie> wicd-curses might do the trick for you too..
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[1:33] <Demon_Jester> phire: thank you
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[1:34] <phire> no problem
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[1:35] <phire> now, if only I could solve my own problem
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[1:35] <Demon_Jester> what problem do you have?
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[1:36] <phire> the program I'm developing is crashing at random, I haven't got a reproducible test case
[1:37] <phire> and it only crashes when the watchdog timer is enabled
[1:37] <ShorTie> maybe that is the cause then
[1:37] <phire> which makes it impossible to debug
[1:37] <Demon_Jester> well wait what language are you making this in?
[1:37] <phire> c++
[1:37] <Demon_Jester> hmm
[1:38] <clever> hardware watchdog?
[1:38] <phire> watchdog causes the entire pi to reset when it expires
[1:38] <Demon_Jester> what libraries are you using?
[1:38] <clever> maybe the watchdog should be disabled for testing?
[1:39] <phire> yes, it is
[1:39] <phire> but then this bug doesn't reproduce
[1:39] <clever> sounds odd for the bug to not happen with the watchdog off
[1:39] <clever> maybe your code is somehow causing a 3 second lockup?
[1:39] <clever> what interval is the watchdog set to?
[1:40] <phire> 5 seconds, reset every second
[1:40] <clever> but if anything makes it hang for just 6 seconds, boom
[1:40] <clever> without the watch dog, you may not notice that kind of thing, but it still happens
[1:40] <phire> it's possible the entire program isn't hanging
[1:40] <clever> turn the watchdog up some more?, whats the max it can be set to
[1:41] <phire> I threaded the watchdog through both the event loop and the timer sub-system
[1:41] <phire> if either of those fail, it will stop updating the watchdog
[1:43] <clever> phire: what if you modify your code to record the timestamp it last hit the watchdog at, and print out how long its been
[1:43] <clever> and then disable the actual watchdog, while still printing that out
[1:43] <clever> so you can simulate it in userspace, and just print a warning when it should have fired
[1:43] <clever> does it print a warning when the hw watchdog is off?
[1:44] <phire> yes, but before I can do that, I really need a reproducible test case.
[1:44] <phire> I'm managing to trigger this 1-2 times a day
[1:44] <clever> ah
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[1:47] <phire> it must be my timer implementation
[1:48] <Solak> ok, 16:9 (3) in config.txt and console-setup with 'TerminusBold' with a width of 10 did it.
[1:48] <phire> how many chars?
[1:48] <Solak> 80
[1:48] <clever> phire: i think there are other userspace daemons meant to handle the watchdog, which could then simulate a much longer timer in userspace
[1:49] <clever> doesnt have to be purely your code driving it
[1:49] <Solak> ok, with 62 it looked more stable, but this is way better than before.
[1:49] <clever> phire: but it also depends on how quickly you actualy need it to reset
[1:50] <phire> clever, yeah that could be an idea
[1:51] <Solak> phire: and values for overscan width and height had to be increased by 20 (from 20 -> 40).
[1:51] <clever> phire: what are you working on this week?
[1:51] <Solak> phire: eh, left and right. sorry.
[1:51] <phire> clever, work stuff
[1:52] <clever> ah
[1:52] <clever> been wondering where you went to
[1:53] <phire> I've been in a bit of a bad mood
[1:53] <phire> and busy with work
[1:53] <clever> same, been writting a whole server&website for a game
[1:53] <Solak> phire: thanks for the help!
[1:53] <phire> no problem Solak
[1:56] <clever> phire: if you have some free time and want to work on the 3d stuff some more, send me a pm
[1:56] <phire> sure
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[2:10] <phire> hmm, I spot a race condition
[2:11] <phire> multi-threaded programming is hard
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[2:12] <AbbyTheRat> nice.. that you spotted it
[2:12] <AbbyTheRat> and yeah, mutli-threaded programming is tricky, since you have to keep track of all your threads and what resources you want at all times
[2:13] <clever> yeah
[2:14] <phire> hmm, but I think it's harmless
[2:16] <phire> however, the one right next to it will result in a use after free
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[2:16] <phire> hang on....
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[2:20] * [Saint] blinks
[2:20] <[Saint]> race condition, and harmless, are not words that go together.
[2:21] <AbbyTheRat> depends.. <_<;
[2:21] <[Saint]> Not really, no.
[2:21] <AbbyTheRat> but for most cases yeah.. not words that go together
[2:21] <clever> ive recently worked with shared memory and multiprocess stuff
[2:21] <clever> i forgot about what i was doing and put a class string into the shared area
[2:21] <clever> segfaults ensued :P
[2:21] <phire> The variable used in the race condition is use in an if statement, ORed with another variable
[2:22] <AbbyTheRat> if you're trying to access things like IO, race condition can be nasty but *Shrug*
[2:22] <clever> once i remembered what i was doing, i changed it to char[] and everything worked fine
[2:22] <phire> that other variable is always true in cases when the race condition might occur
[2:22] <shiftplusone> 'morning
[2:22] <phire> Or it would be if I didn't also have a bug there
[2:22] <phire> sigh
[2:22] <clever> phire: the other thing to keep in mind when you start using a mutex, the watchdog thread may be hung in the mutex for a short time
[2:22] <AbbyTheRat> heya shiftplusone, my parts arrived today :)
[2:23] <clever> and then not reset the watchdog
[2:23] <shiftplusone> What parts?
[2:23] <AbbyTheRat> LCD and others from adafurit
[2:23] <shiftplusone> ah
[2:23] <phire> clever, it has 4 seconds to spare, I think it will be fine
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[2:23] <clever> phire: all depends on what you do with the lock held
[2:24] <clever> in my code i'm using mysql and multiprocess shared memory at once
[2:24] <clever> so its possible for my mysql queries to hang it
[2:24] <clever> i have to make sure i dont hold a lock while doing mysql
[2:24] <phire> I always try to lock the most minimal amount of code possible
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[2:25] <phire> in this case it will be the updating of this data structure
[2:25] <clever> i also made a util class to make the locks simpler, let me grab it
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[2:26] <phire> I use the c++11 locks
[2:26] <clever> phire: http://privatepaste.com/561673af86
[2:26] * AbbyTheRat bored
[2:26] <clever> phire: basically, you allocate a Locker and pass it a lock (can be any lock, just rewrite this example)
[2:27] <clever> phire: and when it drops out of scope, the compiler will call the destructor, and unlock it
[2:27] <clever> so you just add a sub-scope, { Locker lock(foo); .... ; } within your function
[2:27] <clever> and as soon as it hits }, it unlocks
[2:27] <clever> cant leave stray locks, ever
[2:27] <phire> yeah, that's what the c++11 locks do
[2:27] <clever> ah
[2:28] <clever> i got the idea from reading mozilla source
[2:28] <AbbyTheRat> 11?
[2:28] <[Saint]> Hahahaha...kitten is outside in the pouring rain, sitting next to her bigger brother whom she's idolized, learning how to be a "big cat". She's got this look on her face like "Ummm, ok, so...how long do we sit in the rain for before we go play with leaves exactly"?
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[2:28] <clever> sem_init(&scoreboard->sessionlock,1,1);
[2:28] <phire> AbbyTheRat, yeah, they update the c++ standard every few years
[2:28] <phire> 98, 03, 11, and they are planing a release in 14
[2:28] <clever> phire: in my case, the lock exists in shared memory, and i may be fighting with an entirely different process over the lock
[2:29] <clever> i dont think c++ standards can handle cross-process stuff like that?
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[2:30] <phire> no idea
[2:30] <AbbyTheRat> so anyway, shiftplusone, I'm uploading a video of the working LCD stuff.. fustratingly.. my upload speed is shitty
[2:30] <AbbyTheRat> got another 224 minutes <_<;
[2:30] <[Saint]> Jeebus.
[2:30] <[Saint]> How large is the video?
[2:30] <AbbyTheRat> 1.6gb
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[2:31] <[Saint]> Ouch.
[2:31] <[Saint]> That's some very painful upspeed.
[2:31] <AbbyTheRat> yeah, stupid avi stuff
[2:31] <AbbyTheRat> 0.5mbit, I think..
[2:31] <AbbyTheRat> let me double check
[2:31] <[Saint]> Oh. Ick. DSL?
[2:31] <AbbyTheRat> ...yes :/
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[2:32] <AbbyTheRat> so my web surfing is also slowed to a crawl :/
[2:32] <[Saint]> Damn. And I cry at having ~20MB/s up.
[2:32] <AbbyTheRat> where?
[2:32] <clever> ive got fiber, and now my problem is that the websites cant keep up
[2:32] <AbbyTheRat> and.. I offically hate you now
[2:33] <clever> i keep hitting websites that can only do 300kbyte/sec
[2:33] <clever> and i can do 8000...
[2:33] <[Saint]> I get fiber in 2~3~4 months.
[2:33] <[Saint]> My fool neighbor is paying to jump the queue
[2:34] <[Saint]> So as long as he's paying to rip up the road and the footpath ahead of the schedule, I may as well jump on board too.
[2:34] <clever> [Saint]: with my setup, there is a passive optical splitter at the pole, so the service guy only had to open a protective cover and jack in
[2:34] <clever> so once the neighbors had it, our line was trivial to install
[2:34] <AbbyTheRat> 0.68 upload
[2:34] <AbbyTheRat> 3.56Mb/s download
[2:35] <[Saint]> good thing is the exchange is like....*right there* on the corner here too.
[2:35] <clever> [Saint]: and everything is pole based, including the cabinets with the switch gear hanging off the side of a pole
[2:35] <[Saint]> Ah.
[2:35] <clever> our exchange is on the other end of town
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[2:35] <[Saint]> We're obsessed with buried lines here.
[2:35] <AbbyTheRat> the network interstucture in Ottawa is rubbish. Due to having just the big 3 ISP
[2:36] <AbbyTheRat> and they work together soo.. yeah.. kinda crappy
[2:36] <[Saint]> If it wasn't for our obsession with burying cables (only in the affluent areas, of course, poor people have to deal with power/telephone/optical cables), I would've had fiber to the door about 3 years ago.
[2:36] <[Saint]> ~98% of the city would be now.
[2:37] <[Saint]> *by
[2:37] <clever> AbbyTheRat: i think there are only 2 here, aliant (dsl, dialup, fiber) and rogers (75ohm coax cable)
[2:37] <clever> but aliant is taking over, they now do everything over the fiber, phone/tv/internet
[2:37] <AbbyTheRat> Bell/Roger/... struggling to remember the third one
[2:38] <clever> bell aliant is what ive got here
[2:38] <[Saint]> There's a *bunch* of providers here, but Telecom NZ holds a monopoly over the lines and switchgear. Its literally impossible to send a single byte without it touching their hardware, so you may as well get it straight from the source.
[2:39] <[Saint]> Others will offer cheaper plans, possibly with incentives, but the throuput is dirt.
[2:39] <AbbyTheRat> Telus is the third one
[2:39] <ShorTie> i get the choice of dailup or 1.5meg dsl .. :/~
[2:39] <AbbyTheRat> and the fustrating thing is.. Telus is under Bell anyway
[2:39] <clever> AbbyTheRat: i often hear, 'telus how bad our service is'
[2:39] <[Saint]> ShorTie: AU?
[2:39] <AbbyTheRat> hated Rogers, Hated Bell
[2:39] <ShorTie> us, maryland
[2:39] <AbbyTheRat> hell, Bell kept trying to get money for my grandfather in law
[2:39] <[Saint]> Ah.
[2:40] <AbbyTheRat> problem was
[2:40] <[Saint]> Middle of nowheresville.
[2:40] <AbbyTheRat> he died
[2:40] <ShorTie> Yuppers ... :)
[2:40] <AbbyTheRat> nope, Bell didn't believe it at all
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[2:41] <[Saint]> When you said that initially I thought it may have been AU, as their plans are similarly crap.
[2:41] <AbbyTheRat> took 2 years to sort it out.. so we avoid Bell and Rogers and go with third party.. problem is third party "rent" the inferstructure from Bell/Roger
[2:41] <[Saint]> They put all their eggs in the fiber basket and then let the government botch it up spectacularly.
[2:41] <AbbyTheRat> so if there's a problem and the indepentent can't sort it out.. those two companies really screw them over by taking several, if not months to sort issues out
[2:41] <clever> [Saint]: the fiber here seems perfectly stable, but the router on my end is shit
[2:42] <clever> oops, forgot, sorry
[2:42] <[Saint]> Now they're stuck with DSL as they never bothered upgrading for A/VDSL(2{+})
[2:42] <clever> every 23 days like clockwork
[2:42] <clever> [Saint]: and the router locks up solid, monthly, on the dot
[2:42] <AbbyTheRat> clever: that trips me up all the time x_x;
[2:42] <clever> AbbyTheRat: i was talking to somebody yesterday and he got kicked mid convo
[2:42] <johnc-> I hear consumers don't even need fast internet, we should be happy with our ISP overlords
[2:43] <clever> but what else are you to say when you have to replug the router every 23 days like clockwork?
[2:43] <AbbyTheRat> I miss the internet I had back in the UK
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[2:43] <[Saint]> I find the attitude, and the way the AU government was *so* terribly lax about updating their infrastructure amusing.
[2:43] <[Saint]> About a decade ago, I was envious of the connection opportunities there.
[2:43] <[Saint]> Not anymore.
[2:44] <phire> 4 years ago I was envious of Australia's data caps
[2:44] <AbbyTheRat> however, when our money situation settles and we sort out the issues we have with our landlady (she's trying to kick us out illegally, in a short answer), we will most likely look at upgrading our internet package or switching to another ISP
[2:44] <[Saint]> phire: so glad I don;t need to deal with that crap anymore...
[2:44] <AbbyTheRat> I'm thinking of switching to Teksavvy
[2:45] <phire> Then NZ ISPs finally managed to give us larger data caps
[2:45] <AbbyTheRat> and moving phone onto my own VoIP network
[2:45] <[Saint]> I have one of the very few actually true unlimited plans on offer here.
[2:45] <[Saint]> phire: wait...us?
[2:45] <[Saint]> Whereabout are you?
[2:45] <clever> canada here
[2:45] <phire> NZ
[2:45] <[Saint]> Well, I know that ;)
[2:45] <AbbyTheRat> hahaha.. guess what, you can get fiber with.. either bell or rogers.. or maybe both. Problem is.. there's a cap on the fiber line still
[2:45] <[Saint]> CHristcurch, checkin' in.
[2:45] <phire> Christchurch
[2:45] <AbbyTheRat> Ottawa, Canada
[2:46] <clever> AbbyTheRat: ive not noticed a cap yet, but i cant monitor the line properly
[2:46] <[Saint]> Ok...
[2:46] <phire> One of us spelt that wrong
[2:46] <clever> AbbyTheRat: the stat figures in the router are hosed
[2:46] <[Saint]> Waltham, Chrictchurch, checkin' in. :)
[2:46] <clever> AbbyTheRat: they convert a 32bit unsigned number, to a signed number, the wrong way
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[2:46] <clever> so it gets stuck at 2147483647 for hours
[2:46] <phire> Ilam, Christchurch. Totally better quality roads
[2:46] <clever> so i'm missing exactly half of the rate info
[2:47] <[Saint]> They just redid the roads in our area.
[2:47] <[Saint]> I gots that sweet sweet tarmac.
[2:47] <phire> :D
[2:47] <AbbyTheRat> clever, there is.. but they had to set it at something high that most people won't notice it unless heavy downloading
[2:47] <[Saint]> Man. Ilam got hit pretty bad. :-/
[2:47] <AbbyTheRat> I would like to switch to fiber but I'm a bit too far out in the surbs.. sorta.. (In Vanier area)
[2:47] <clever> AbbyTheRat: i downloaded a single 10gig file today without a second thought
[2:47] <[Saint]> Must be better by now, though. Well...ish.
[2:48] <[Saint]> Not 100% I'll bet.
[2:48] <phire> Yeah, I was in Upper Riccarton at the time.
[2:48] <phire> Didn't even loose power
[2:48] <AbbyTheRat> exactly, that sort of thing is ok.. the cap would be noticable if you were to download I think 300gb a month?
[2:48] <clever> AbbyTheRat: the problem is that i dont know how much i download a month anymore
[2:48] <[Saint]> I was in Phillipstown at the time. The other side of the street lost water, phone, and power, and the houses on either side of my place collapsed.
[2:49] <clever> AbbyTheRat: the router hides exactly half the usage and screws up the graphs royally
[2:49] <[Saint]> We were fine, though. Just broken plates and glasses, etc.
[2:49] <[Saint]> No structural damage.
[2:49] <AbbyTheRat> you might be able to get a new router
[2:49] <clever> AbbyTheRat: the router must support 802.1q on the WAN side, and HPNA on the LAN side
[2:49] <phire> Philipstown has lots of roadworks right now
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[2:49] * [Saint] nods
[2:50] <[Saint]> clever: I'm of the opinion that no off-the-shelf solution makes an adequate router
[2:50] <AbbyTheRat> I'm with distrubel right now
[2:50] <AbbyTheRat> but I want to switch to http://teksavvy.com/
[2:50] <[Saint]> A "real machine" *always* makes a better router than a router does.
[2:50] <clever> [Saint]: same
[2:50] <clever> [Saint]: but my 'real machine' router was a 200mhz P2
[2:50] <clever> [Saint]: the dsl maxed it out at ~50% cpu usage
[2:51] <clever> the fiber, it couldnt keep up...
[2:51] <[Saint]> ah. :)
[2:51] <clever> so i have to replace it
[2:51] <clever> until then, i'm using the junk the ISP gave
[2:51] <AbbyTheRat> well, maybe an upgrade is wise
[2:51] <clever> [Saint]: do you think a u25 sparc would do it?
[2:51] <AbbyTheRat> ah ha, well, if you're planning to do that, :)
[2:51] <[Saint]> should do.
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[2:54] <rikkib> Version one http://www.zlham.geek.nz/images/news/wind-vane-cct.jpg
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[2:56] <phire> I had a p4 as a router at one point
[2:56] <phire> currently it
[2:56] <phire> currently it's just a file server
[2:57] <phire> Then again, at one point I had 1.2tb of drives in a intel celeron 300mhz
[2:57] <clever> i had 5tb of space in a 400mhz P2
[2:58] <clever> then i removed a tv capture card and it lost the ability to enumerate the disks
[2:58] <clever> made no sense at all
[2:58] <phire> lol
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[2:58] <clever> eventualy i gave up and just put the disks in another box
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[2:58] <phire> I had to benchmark file systems to see what gave me the best preformance
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[2:58] <phire> Think I got 7MB/s on JFS
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[2:59] <clever> the box that was hosting my 4tb recently failed
[2:59] <clever> bad mobo caps i think
[2:59] <clever> so i tried putting it into the u25
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[2:59] <clever> ran into trouble with CONFIG_LBD, i just couldnt turn it on
[2:59] <clever> it wouldnt even appear in menuconfig
[3:00] <clever> so i could only see half of the 4tb disk
[3:00] <clever> and it already had a single 4tb fs on it, so i couldnt even mount it
[3:00] <clever> eventualy i gave up, and switched the 160gig with the 4000gig
[3:00] <clever> so the sparc has a 160gig drive
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[3:00] <clever> and the x86-64 has the 4000gig
[3:02] <[Saint]> http://i.imgur.com/1PsDoFy.jpg
[3:02] <[Saint]> How many barges could a barge barging barge barge whilst simultaneously shipping shipping ships?
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[3:03] <clever> :D
[3:04] <clever> phire: i also found a new use for my spare pi
[3:04] <clever> RDP thin client for my dad
[3:04] <clever> who now cant remember his windows password, he's gotten too reliant on the fingerprint reader
[3:04] <clever> (which doesnt like RDP)
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[3:08] <crumb> how do i get debug information regarding my hdmi
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[3:12] <clever> crumb: to start with, what isnt working?
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[3:15] <crumb> clever: hdmi
[3:15] <crumb> everything else works
[3:16] <clever> is the cable plugged in all the way?, that was my first problem
[3:16] <clever> the hdmi jack was a bit stiff and i didnt push it in all the way
[3:16] <atouk> i had to force hdmi in my fonfig
[3:16] <atouk> (config)
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[3:17] <crumb> clever: it's been working prior for several months
[3:17] <clever> crumb: have you changed any config? if the tv is on while you reboot, does it work?
[3:17] <atouk> mine was good to, then my tv decided to diaplay no signal
[3:17] <crumb> atouk: i tried it, didn't help
[3:18] <crumb> atouk: i tried changing it after it stopped working
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[3:18] <crumb> err
[3:18] <crumb> clever*
[3:18] <clever> cant think of anything else
[3:19] <crumb> it was only after i changed the os and try to connect it to a lapdock that it stopped working
[3:19] <crumb> isn't there a way to debug hdmi?
[3:19] <clever> changing your OS likely did it, can you pastebin your config.txt?
[3:20] <clever> i think something in noobs changes how hdmi worked
[3:20] <crumb> i didn't try noobs
[3:20] <shiftplusone> Might help to mention which OS
[3:20] <crumb> before i was using openelec long-term
[3:21] <crumb> then i tried slackware arm and arch linux, raspbian, etc
[3:22] <shiftplusone> don't know about slackware, but raspbian and arch work just fine with the lapdock. Config.txt is the only thing that can affect that, so it would help to see it.
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[3:24] <crumb> shiftplusone: the point is that it stopped working even when i reverted back to openelec
[3:25] <crumb> which had the same config.txt file as before
[3:25] <crumb> s/stopped working/didn't work/
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[3:29] <shiftplusone> sounds like the OS change was just a coincidence.
[3:29] <crumb> hmm
[3:30] <crumb> which is why i want to debug it
[3:30] <crumb> i still have ssh access to the unit
[3:30] <clever> crumb: does the composite output work?
[3:30] <clever> can tvservice dump the hdmi EDID?
[3:31] <crumb> i haven't tested composite
[3:31] <clever> if it cant detect hdmi, it will default back to composite
[3:31] <crumb> i'm sure tvservice can dumb data, but i don't know how to use it
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[3:31] <clever> run it with -?
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[3:35] <AbbyTheRat> 56% uploaded. *cry*
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[3:37] <clever> AbbyTheRat: ow
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[3:37] <AbbyTheRat> can't even watch youtube or other things while waiting for it finish uploading *cry*
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[3:43] <shiftplusone> AbbyTheRat, fun. These images took me two days to upload http://xecdesign.com/minimal-raspbian-server-xfce-editions/
[3:44] <AbbyTheRat> 16k.. yeasheh
[3:44] <[Saint]> shiftplusone: jeebus.
[3:44] <AbbyTheRat> lowest was 33k
[3:45] <AbbyTheRat> but shortly went up to 56k
[3:45] <[Saint]> there's only about..what...800MB there?
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[3:45] <[Saint]> less.
[3:45] <[Saint]> Yowch.
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[3:45] <AbbyTheRat> then er.. 5mb, I think
[3:46] <AbbyTheRat> then er.. 50mb..briefly then back down to 3mb
[3:46] <[Saint]> shiftplusone: should I point out that you named the NOOBS images incorrectly or not?
[3:46] <[Saint]> (though the typo is amusing)
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[3:47] <shiftplusone> [Saint], intentional.
[3:47] <[Saint]> Ah. Phew.
[3:47] <clever> shiftplusone: back when i was on dsl, it took me minutes to upload some jar files of a project
[3:47] <shiftplusone> Because they're stripped down.
[3:47] <clever> shiftplusone: so, i made a build serer on the http box
[3:47] <clever> git push, run a script, it builds its own jar
[3:47] <clever> much smaller upload
[3:47] <shiftplusone> that's the plan if this becomes a thing that I do.
[3:48] <shiftplusone> but there doesn't seem to be much interest, so probably no point.
[3:48] <[Saint]> Man. I thought you had way better upspeed than that.
[3:48] <clever> [Saint]: that was before i got fiber
[3:49] <[Saint]> re: shift - sorry.
[3:49] <clever> shiftplusone: it may gain more interest with the compute module
[3:49] <[Saint]> I doubt that
[3:50] <shiftplusone> I think the foundation plan to release their own images for that
[3:50] <[Saint]> People using that module will likely be more than capable of making their own image.
[3:50] <[Saint]> Since its almost certainly going to be a very specific project.
[3:50] <shiftplusone> http://www.speedtest.net/my-result/3441942801
[3:51] <clever> [Saint]: start with a bare-bones rasbian image, with just the package manager and a serial console
[3:51] <clever> let the board manu install the rest
[3:51] <[Saint]> shiftplusone: that doesn't seem to make much sense.
[3:51] <[Saint]> How did uploading ~800MB take 2 days+?
[3:52] <[Saint]> Heavily congested network?
[3:52] <shiftplusone> technical difficulties >.>
[3:52] <[Saint]> Aha.
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[3:53] <shiftplusone> And things seem to have improved since the exchange moved me to a new port too.
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[4:32] <phire> Went to add locks to my code
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[4:32] <phire> Realised the code I was writing would deadlock straight away
[4:32] <phire> ... lets not do that
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[4:36] <clever> phire: it may help to simulate the watchdog within the watchdog thread (print a . every second, and if it goes over 5, print a warning), so you have a chance to debug those things
[4:36] <clever> and so gdb can get a backtrace without causing it to commit suicide
[4:36] <phire> yeah
[4:37] <clever> oh, and if core dumps are enabled, it may take 5 sec just to coredump
[4:37] <clever> thats likely to cause great 'fun' with your filesystem
[4:37] <clever> hard reset every time you try to write a large file
[4:37] <phire> ext4 won't corrupt
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[4:38] <phire> however, your core dump file might end up empty
[4:38] <clever> i tried to rpi-update my new pi, and it had fs errors before it could finish
[4:38] <clever> on a brand new card
[4:38] <phire> hmm
[4:39] <clever> i'll need to find a 2nd supply&cord to boot that up and try it again
[4:40] <[Saint]> Every. Single. Time (before I knew to avoid it like the plague). rpi-update has trashed my system.
[4:40] <[Saint]> I just flatly refuse to touch it now.
[4:40] <phire> works for me
[4:40] <[Saint]> I understand for some people it does, but this is a recurring problem reported by many.
[4:41] <[Saint]> Were it just me I'd shrug and move on, but something seems fundamentally wrong.
[4:41] <clever> it worked fine on my old 2gig card and 256mb pi
[4:41] <phire> So it consistently fails for some people?
[4:41] <clever> it failed once (the first time) on a copy of the 2gig image on a new card&pi
[4:41] <[Saint]> It has literally never worked for me.
[4:42] <clever> i didnt have time to mess with it so i just yanked the cord and set it asside
[4:42] <[Saint]> Well, it "works", but trashes the filesystem of /boot
[4:42] <clever> the size of /boot/ may impact things
[4:42] <clever> and the wear leveling of the card
[4:42] <phire> [Saint], perhaps we should swap sd cards.
[4:43] <clever> phire: i went from a generic 2gig card to an 8gig class 10
[4:43] <clever> and it got worse (sample size: 1)
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[4:45] <[Saint]> I should try it out again to make sure, its been a while and things may have changed since then. After the fourth or fifth tiem I used it and ended up with a trashed /boot partition I just stopped using it, mostly as a result of moving to Arch and using their packages to jump into "next" for firmware
[4:46] <[Saint]> I still occasionally see people winding up with trashed /boot after using rpi-update pop in here from tiem to time, so I *assume* it still exists.
[4:46] <[Saint]> Though they may be using old images.
[4:46] <phire> could it be an arch issue?
[4:46] <[Saint]> I've never used it in Arch.
[4:47] <phire> ah
[4:47] <[Saint]> There's no need to.
[4:47] <phire> Arch packages the firmware, doesn't
[4:47] <phire> it
[4:47] <[Saint]> Arch has a raspi-firmware-next metapackage, yeah.
[4:47] <clever> rasbian also has a kernel package, 2.6 i think, it causes major stability problems
[4:48] <clever> i had installed it so dkms would 'just work'
[4:48] <clever> nothing else worked :P
[4:48] <[Saint]> I remember having a look at rpi-update at the time and I couldn't see anything that jumped out at me.
[4:49] * [Saint] shrugs
[4:49] <clever> 'Application popup: Request for Connection : IBM-39AF502A493\User is trying to connect to this computer. If you allow, you will be disconnected, but you can resume later. Do you want to allow this connection?'
[4:49] <clever> dumb winblows...
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[4:50] <clever> thats the entire reason i went thru the bother of setting up RDP!
[4:50] <clever> and it worked fine when i used a limited acct....
[4:50] <[Saint]> ReallyDumbProtocol
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[4:50] <clever> [Saint]: yep
[4:51] <clever> or why i bought 7...
[4:51] <clever> i dont know why i even bother trying to use windows sometimes
[4:51] <[Saint]> Let alone paying for it. Ugh.
[4:52] <clever> xp expired, it has major stability problems, and i'm building a new machine soon
[4:52] * [Saint] chants "debian, debian, debian"
[4:52] * clever chants gentoo!
[4:52] <phire> aww, I was going to chant gentoo
[4:53] <[Saint]> If you hate yourself that much you may as well stick with XP. ;)
[4:53] <clever> lol
[4:53] <phire> I switched to arch
[4:53] <[Saint]> Good man.
[4:53] <phire> because I wouldn't update often enough
[4:53] <phire> so every time I did update, gentoo would break
[4:53] <[Saint]> I use Arch on my machines, and debian/Ubuntu on machines Ms. [Saint] uses also.
[4:54] <[Saint]> Ubuntu is kinda like the Windows of Linux, I guess.
[4:54] <[Saint]> Except with slightly less sucking.
[4:54] <clever> [Saint]: one post online mentions local admin
[4:54] <clever> at a glance, id say only one admin account can login at once
[4:54] <phire> yeah, I use a mixture of debian/ubuntu and arch
[4:54] <clever> why!?!!?
[4:54] <phire> because they want you to pay for windows server whatever
[4:55] <clever> phire: except it works when a limited account logs in remotely
[4:56] <[Saint]> What do you use that requires Windows? Or is it just a personal preference thing?
[4:56] <clever> [Saint]: my dad does all of his banking on it, and i play some games on it
[4:56] <clever> and i'm coding in a compiler package that costs more then my next computer, which is windows only
[4:56] <clever> (a project i joined, i didnt have a choice on that)
[4:57] <phire> odd
[4:59] <[Saint]> I've been Win-free for a few years now.
[4:59] <AbbyTheRat> Too much of a gamer to go win-free
[4:59] <[Saint]> Though I do keep a virtual machine snapshot around in case I need it - which is never.
[5:00] <[Saint]> AbbyTheRat: pretty much every game I play has a Linux port now.
[5:00] <phire> I have windows 7 on my desktop
[5:00] <[Saint]> Games haven't been the sole domain of WIndows for a solid while now.
[5:00] <phire> mostly used for gaming
[5:00] <AbbyTheRat> oh, I Agree with you there
[5:00] <AbbyTheRat> but the games I enjoy most haven't
[5:00] <phire> or those windows only tools
[5:00] <[Saint]> Wine.
[5:01] <clever> the games i play are still glitchy in wine
[5:01] <clever> it refused to install until i fussed with it for an hour
[5:01] <clever> and i have to re-enter the authenticator code if i switch from linux to windows
[5:01] <clever> only one system can be signed in at a time
[5:01] <clever> even if they are less then 3 inches away from eachother
[5:01] <phire> I don't like wine
[5:01] <clever> 'oh, you left the room and went elsewhere, it aint secure anymore!'
[5:02] <phire> Ever since they never fixed AoE II
[5:02] <[Saint]> I like Wine a whole lot more than I do Windows.
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[5:02] <[Saint]> "Patch Tuesday"
[5:02] <[Saint]> ...what a joke.
[5:02] <phire> and other 256 colour direct draw games
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[5:03] <clever> i should get to bed now, later
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[5:06] <Bhaal> phire: Was you I was speaking about with yesterday about USB tuner dongles and the RPi?
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[5:12] <phire> yes
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[5:13] <Bhaal> phire: Well, I plugged in 2 AF9015 dual tuner dongles ... Was able to record 3 HD streams and watch a SD stream from a remote frontend perfectly fine...
[5:14] <phire> Awesome
[5:14] <phire> mpeg4 or mpeg2?
[5:14] <Bhaal> And any other combination you can think of involving 4 tuners... So I was immensely happy...
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[5:14] <Bhaal> Ummm, pretty sure tvheadend records out as mkv regardless of SD or HD
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[5:15] <Bhaal> So, mp4 yes?
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[5:15] <phire> I think a mkv can contain an mpeg2 stream
[5:15] <phire> what is broadcast over the air?
[5:15] <Bhaal> phire: Either way it pushed the load up to about 2.8 but very little if any wait state was noticed...
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[5:15] <Jonno_FTW> hi
[5:16] <Bhaal> phire: Ummm, actually it will be mp2
[5:16] <Bhaal> mpeg2
[5:16] <Jonno_FTW> how can I read data coming into the hdmi port directly?
[5:17] <phire> as in cec data?
[5:17] <Jonno_FTW> what's cec data?
[5:17] <phire> button presses on the tv remote which get forwarded to the pi
[5:17] <Jonno_FTW> not that, the video stream
[5:17] <Bhaal> phire: Either way, I am extremely happy with the results and am just about to put together the rig in a more permanent way (screwing it all down to a chunk of MDF to sit on a shelf in the rack...
[5:18] <Jonno_FTW> like the output from a dvd player
[5:18] <phire> Jonno_FTW, you can't, the pi only outputs hdmi
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[5:19] <Jonno_FTW> can it take any video input?
[5:20] <phire> no
[5:20] <Cheekio> So what is X?
[5:20] <Jonno_FTW> what about composite?
[5:21] <phire> you will have to use some kind of usb capture card
[5:22] <phire> there are hdmi capture cards, but I think they require usb 3.0
[5:23] <Jonno_FTW> could I transmit the video over USB to the pi?
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[5:43] <AbbyTheRat> shiftplusone.. I could show you the pictures I got of my terrible soldering work!
[5:44] <AbbyTheRat> while waiting for this damn video to upload
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[5:45] <shiftplusone> sure =D
[5:45] <AbbyTheRat> http://imgur.com/a/i4bFJ
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[5:46] <shiftplusone> I don't see the terrible
[5:46] <AbbyTheRat> yeah.. the cam didn't take it at it's best setting.. for some reason whenever I Got my screen capture window open
[5:47] <AbbyTheRat> if I press Shift + D (no matter what window is active, even if it's not the program) it resets the settings and pops up a message with the title OK and the message OK and a button with OK
[5:47] <shiftplusone> excuse my stalking, but you play RO?
[5:47] * AbbyTheRat blinks
[5:47] <AbbyTheRat> iRO?
[5:47] <shiftplusone> Ragnarok Online, isn't it?
[5:47] <AbbyTheRat> yes.. i for international
[5:48] <AbbyTheRat> o_o
[5:48] <shiftplusone> The only MMO I got into
[5:48] <AbbyTheRat> are you stalking my other images?
[5:48] <shiftplusone> nuh, just had a look at the other albums you've got and the iRO image jumped out at me
[5:49] <AbbyTheRat> Ah
[5:49] <AbbyTheRat> Yeah, I played a lot of RO
[5:49] <AbbyTheRat> I played Mela Mellon
[5:49] <AbbyTheRat> she's AB
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[5:50] <shiftplusone> I was on unofficial servers, since they had more content and were free >.>
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[5:50] <AbbyTheRat> iRO is free now
[5:50] <AbbyTheRat> more content.. I dunno
[5:50] <shiftplusone> iRO lags a bit behind the korean version, doesn't it?
[5:51] <AbbyTheRat> yeah
[5:51] <AbbyTheRat> use to be quite a bit
[5:51] <AbbyTheRat> but last I heard
[5:51] <AbbyTheRat> not by much
[5:51] <shiftplusone> unofficial servers often patch in kRO content, if I recall correctly. But yeah, this was many years ago.
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[5:55] <AbbyTheRat> I haven't played in a while sadly ^^
[5:55] <AbbyTheRat> I play Guns of Icarus Online at the moment
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[5:56] * shiftplusone doesn't have time for such things any more.
[5:57] <AbbyTheRat> I'm doing all sorts!
[5:57] <AbbyTheRat> 94% uploaded!
[5:58] <AbbyTheRat> if this fails at 99%
[5:58] <AbbyTheRat> I'm going to cry
[5:58] <shiftplusone> I am all about that chess and tetris on the phone now >.>
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[6:01] <AbbyTheRat> fun times
[6:02] <shiftplusone> aye
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[6:03] <AbbyTheRat> 15 more minutes
[6:03] <AbbyTheRat> oh god
[6:03] <shiftplusone> 15 minutes of terror!
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[6:10] <AbbyTheRat> so close
[6:10] <AbbyTheRat> 98%
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[6:14] <AbbyTheRat> 5 minutes... I wonder what will win.. my insanity taking over or the uploading
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[6:18] <AbbyTheRat> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v-teu90Zbww
[6:19] <AbbyTheRat> video still processing so give it a few minutes
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[6:21] <shiftplusone> all that was for a 1 minute video?
[6:21] <shiftplusone> great to see the board working though
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[6:26] <AbbyTheRat> I know
[6:26] <AbbyTheRat> bloody hell batman
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[6:37] <RahulAN> Hi all
[6:37] <RahulAN> ?]
[6:37] <RahulAN> o/
[6:37] <shiftplusone> Hello again
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[6:44] <AbbyTheRat> o/
[6:50] <AbbyTheRat> oh huh? I just realised.. the camera picked up the yellow back light as being closer to green
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[6:55] <RahulAN> shiftplusone, i will be here again and again :)
[6:55] <shiftplusone> good =)
[6:55] <RahulAN> same problem video0 changes to video1 simultaneously
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[7:00] <AbbyTheRat> hmm.. I wish the wires weren't so easy to knock out..
[7:00] <AbbyTheRat> might order another pi T breakout when I finally decide to wire everything up
[7:00] <AbbyTheRat> I dunno *shrug*
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[7:13] <Demon_Jester> hey everyone
[7:13] <shiftplusone> hey
[7:13] <RahulAN> hi
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[7:15] <RahulAN> http://askubuntu.com/questions/234362/how-to-fix-this-problem-where-sometimes-dev-video0-becomes-automatically-dev i got this..
[7:15] <RahulAN> but udevinfo not found
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[7:17] <Demon_Jester> this has been bothering me for a while, if anyone can shed some light on this, my friend and I decided for the hell of it to have both of our rpi connect to each other via ssh, he would send reverse ssh to my rpi (he is two states away) and when I tried to ssh into his pi, it said the host key has changed (we had public key auth) and it asked for a password, and we disabled password authentication. but it asked for a password.
[7:17] <Demon_Jester> now public key worked for couple of hours
[7:18] <Demon_Jester> then the key some how got messed up and couldnt use it, he was able to connect to me just fine (when he sent the reverse ssh) but I was wondering what could cause public key to fail of ssh host key change?
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[7:22] <rikkib> Clear /home/username/.ssh/known_hosts
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[7:23] <rikkib> Clear /root/.ssh/known_hosts if using root
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[7:36] * [Saint] wonders if rikkib read OP's question properly
[7:37] <[Saint]> (I ask as the answer doesn't seem to fit the question)
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[7:37] <Demon_Jester> sorry guys I went afk for a second there. rikkib, this was a week ago, but as backup I may leave passworth authentication on just in case I run into this again. I cleared known hosts but it still prompt for password
[7:37] <Demon_Jester> I used -v -v -v when I ssh and to sum it up the public key was wrong.
[7:37] <Demon_Jester> idk how it was but it somehow was
[7:38] <Demon_Jester> just wondering what could cause public key to be wrong, and what could cause host key to change.
[7:39] <Demon_Jester> but I mean its whatever. I already reformatted the rpi sd card.
[7:39] <[Saint]> That's a very odd way of using flags, I must say.
[7:39] <Demon_Jester> -v gives me level one debugging, -v -v level 2 and -v -v -v level 3 (1-3 from least debug info to most debug info)
[7:40] <Demon_Jester> -vvv may have worked, too idk
[7:40] * [Saint] nods
[7:41] <[Saint]> But, in the up side, I just learned that ssh parses the verbose flag in a totally insane way - so, yay, I guess... ;)
[7:42] <Demon_Jester> idk if I have to use it again in the future I will just wrap my flags with one -
[7:42] <[Saint]> Most other things would treat "-v -v -v" as simply "-v"
[7:42] <Demon_Jester> or atleast try to if it will let me.
[7:42] <Demon_Jester> yeah you would think ssh would do the same.
[7:42] <[Saint]> Until several seconds ago, I did. :)
[7:42] <Xark> [Saint]: Repeating -v to get more verbosity (for debugging etc.) is common in several unix utilities.
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[7:43] <[Saint]> Xark: but usually its -vvv, not -v -v -v
[7:44] <Xark> [Saint]: Not in my experience. Typically in the code each 'v' does verbosity++ (or similar).
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[7:54] <RahulAN> shiftplusone, you suggested the way to make a iso image by dd
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[7:54] <RahulAN> is it dd if=/media/ of=/home/nano/Rahul/chaitanya.iso bs=4M??
[7:54] <RahulAN> here i have my card in /media
[7:54] <shiftplusone> nuh
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[7:54] <shiftplusone> you need to point to the actual device
[7:54] <shiftplusone> if=/dev/mmcblk0 (or wherever the card is
[7:54] <shiftplusone> )
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[7:55] <RahulAN> it is sdb, sdb1 and sdb2
[7:55] <shiftplusone> sdb then
[7:55] <shiftplusone> not sdb1 or 2
[7:55] <shiftplusone> /dev/sdb
[7:55] <RahulAN> ohkk
[7:56] <RahulAN> i am making the image of my card
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[8:19] <maybefbi> how would i go about making a signing device? the device will hold private keys, that no one can know even if they wanted to. when the device is plugged into a computer through USB, it will look like a ordinary thumbdrive. if you drop a certain type of file into it, it will delete that file, and output create another file, which contains the digital signature signed using one of the private keys.
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[8:20] <maybefbi> the device ought to get its power from USB too
[8:21] <maybefbi> and should boot up very quickly
[8:21] <shiftplusone> Don't know about the "no one can know even if they wanted to" criteria.
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[8:22] <maybefbi> shiftplusone, why is that hard?
[8:23] <shiftplusone> If your software can access the keys, I am not sure why others wouldn't be able to (if they wanted to).
[8:23] <shiftplusone> by software, I mean the firmware on the device
[8:24] <shiftplusone> such devices always get cracked
[8:25] <maybefbi> by "cracked" you mean cracked by someone with physical access to the device? because that is ok.
[8:25] <shiftplusone> ah
[8:25] <maybefbi> my intention is to protect against being cracked "remotely"
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[8:25] <shiftplusone> got it
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[8:27] <maybefbi> would raspberry pi be right for such a project? or should i use beagleboard or gooseberry?
[8:27] <shiftplusone> I think it's just a matter of picking a micro with USB slave capability, a dev board and writing the firmware.
[8:27] <shiftplusone> not a pi, unfortunately
[8:27] <maybefbi> what is a micro with USB slave capability?
[8:27] <maybefbi> microprocessor?
[8:28] <maybefbi> like PIC18F452?
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[8:28] <shiftplusone> sec, let me look that one up
[8:28] <shiftplusone> I was thinking one of the stm32 dev board would be good for this.
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[8:31] <maybefbi> shiftplusone, how would i connect a usb drive to it?
[8:32] <shiftplusone> oh, hang on
[8:32] <maybefbi> so that the computer can drop files into the drive
[8:32] <maybefbi> and stm32 can read it, delete it and create another file
[8:32] <shiftplusone> do you want the device itself to connect to the computer as a usb drive, or do you want a usb drive to connect to the device?
[8:33] <maybefbi> the device itself to connect to computer as a urb drive
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[8:33] <maybefbi> and the stm32 microprocessor will read the same files in the usb drives, that my computer writs into it
[8:33] <shiftplusone> Then I don't understand "how would i connect a usb drive to it?"
[8:34] <shiftplusone> How big would the files be, anyway?
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[8:34] <maybefbi> ok imagine a usb hub, with multiple usb ports. one usb port is connected to my computer, another is connected to stm32, and another is connected to usb flash drive.
[8:35] <maybefbi> the files will be only a few kilobytes
[8:35] <maybefbi> the computer and the stm32 will both read and write to the usb flash drive
[8:35] <shiftplusone> nope
[8:35] <maybefbi> is that possible?
[8:35] <shiftplusone> that doesn't work
[8:36] <shiftplusone> in this case, the PC would the the host and the two other devices would be slaves. The slaves would not be able to communicate with each other.
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[8:37] <shiftplusone> what you can do is just transfer the usb drive between the two devices, and that would be the absolute simplest approach
[8:37] <amigojapan> maybefbi: I would guess USB hubs have a master slaves relationship, that does not seem possible to me
[8:37] <shiftplusone> OR, you can get the stm32 device to appear to the PC as if it's a usb drive
[8:37] <shiftplusone> brb
[8:37] <amigojapan> maybefbi: well, it oculd be possibel if the connection was all handled by the master
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[8:38] <maybefbi> amigojapan, the master being, the stm32?
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[8:39] <amigojapan> maybefbi: I dont know what an stm32 is, but whichever the master is, it needs to be like the "sevrer"
[8:40] <maybefbi> amigojapan, ok
[8:41] <amigojapan> maybefbi: I think some of hte confusion, and hwy I originally said you cant, is only because I was thinking of who initiates teh communication... but a server can serve as a bridge between 2 devices or more
[8:43] <maybefbi> amigojapan, i want a PC to think my USB device is a flash drive, and drop files into it. my device will read those files and create new files.
[8:44] <amigojapan> maybefbi: hmmm,
[8:44] <amigojapan> maybefbi: I woudl nto know exactly how to do that, sorry
[8:44] <maybefbi> amigojapan, ok
[8:44] <shiftplusone> back
[8:44] <maybefbi> shiftplusone, ok
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[8:46] <shiftplusone> Here is how it would work in my mind
[8:46] <shiftplusone> you have a board like this one http://au.element14.com/stmicroelectronics/stm32f3discovery/eval-kit-stm32-f3-series-discovery/dp/2218352
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[8:46] <shiftplusone> or a custom board with the same processor.
[8:47] <shiftplusone> You hook it up to the PC, and the firmware presents itself as a mass storage device
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[8:47] <shiftplusone> the storage itself will be just a portion of the memory formatted with a fat32 FS
[8:47] <shiftplusone> you can use fatfs for that.
[8:48] <shiftplusone> the next bit I am a bit iffy about
[8:48] <shiftplusone> I don't know how a computer would react to a file being changed
[8:49] <shiftplusone> assuming there's no flaw with the basic idea you have, the device, having detected that a file was written, can write another one and delete the original
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[8:50] <shiftplusone> How you would detect that the file was written, or how the PC's OS would cope with a device that modifies its own files, I don't know.
[8:50] <shiftplusone> but that's the general idea.
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[8:51] <maybefbi> shiftplusone, ok. and this portion of memory formatted as fat32 is its 256KB flash memory?
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[8:54] <RahulAN> Now as i am running application pi stucks.. and last three leds stop blinking..
[8:54] <RahulAN> and every thing hangs up..
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[8:55] <ShorTie> check your power supply would be the first thing to do
[8:56] <RahulAN> I am giving power supply via an USB cable plugged into my cpu
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[8:56] <shiftplusone> maybefbi, I was actually thinking the 48K RAM it has.
[8:56] <shiftplusone> the 256KB is for the firmware itself
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[8:57] <maybefbi> shiftplusone, ah cool. yeah that is a better idea. so the files wont survive the unplug
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[8:57] <shiftplusone> have you written bare metal ARM firmware before?
[8:57] <shiftplusone> you might have a bit of learning to do
[8:57] <ShorTie> whelp, if your 'cpu' is built to spec, it will not supply enough power for a pi
[8:58] <maybefbi> shiftplusone, i have only written PIC18F452 assembly and x86 assembly
[8:58] <shiftplusone> Then you have a good starting point
[8:58] <RahulAN> ShorTie, ah, How to check that?
[8:59] <shiftplusone> maybefbi, if you decide to go with an stm32 board, then the channel is ##stm32
[8:59] <ShorTie> measure the voltage between tp1-tp2 on the pi
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[8:59] <maybefbi> shiftplusone, wow thanks :)
[8:59] <shiftplusone> they're not always friendly there, but they are knowledgeable.
[8:59] <maybefbi> shiftplusone, cool that place is populated
[8:59] <RahulAN> it could be the problem thats why my cemera /dev/video0 changes to /dev/video1
[8:59] <RahulAN> automatically
[9:00] <RahulAN> Ok let me check
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[9:01] <ShorTie> ya, your power browns out and the usb disconnects, apon getting proper voltage it reconnects the usb giving it different id
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[9:06] <RahulAN> ShorTie, i am getting 4.4
[9:06] <RahulAN> *4.49
[9:06] <ShorTie> oh my, that is way to low to do anything
[9:06] <RahulAN> how much voltage we need?
[9:07] <ShorTie> 5v +or- .2
[9:07] <RahulAN> How can i get it via my cpu?
[9:08] <RahulAN> or do i need adapter?
[9:08] <ShorTie> i'm guessing by 'cpu' you mean your computer ??
[9:08] <RahulAN> Yes
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[9:08] <ShorTie> ya, a good 1-2 amp adapter is what you need
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[9:09] <RahulAN> samsung mobile charger?
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[9:09] <ShorTie> don't know, what is it rated at ??
[9:10] <RahulAN> Ok let me find.. any alternative
[9:10] <ShorTie> the micro usb cable could be a problem also, if it's a thin 1
[9:11] <RahulAN> output DC 5V 2000mA
[9:11] <ShorTie> any good 5v power supply with atleast 1amp capability would work
[9:11] <ShorTie> that sounds great
[9:11] <RahulAN> this is Ohkk..
[9:12] <RahulAN> It is specificatioin on one of adapter
[9:12] <RahulAN> If i use any other micro usb cable would it solve this issue?
[9:13] <ShorTie> if you can measure the voltage coming out of it directly and compare that to what is at the end of the usb cable, you can check your cable to see what voltage drop it is giving
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[9:14] <ShorTie> it might, but hard to say without measuring the voltage it is giving
[9:14] <RahulAN> ShorTie, i will test it with tp1-tp2 as you suggested earlier
[9:16] <RahulAN> i checked one more cable it was too low then that
[9:16] <RahulAN> it gave 3.39 result with tp1 and tp2
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[9:17] <ShorTie> it's most likely 'thinner' to, which means smaller wires
[9:18] <RahulAN> Yes, it was
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[9:18] <RahulAN> i asked for a 5v adapter here, may be i could find :)
[9:18] <ShorTie> if you got good eye's, or an eye loop, see if you can see the awg of the wires in the cable, it's normally printed on the cable
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[9:19] <ShorTie> and awg of wire is backwards, the bigger the #, the smaller the wire
[9:21] <shiftplusone> probably because of the 'A'
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[9:30] <RahulAN> It worked :)
[9:32] <ShorTie> Sweet .. :)~
[9:32] <RahulAN> Yes :) thanks to all
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[9:45] <causality> guten morgen mon amis
[9:47] <DrWhat> mes*/ ^^
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[11:01] <blaubarschbube> hi. i tried to run omxplayer --loop without success. the video loops once or twice and then the console gets visibel. what am i doing wrong?
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[11:34] <ShorTie> blaaa, error: �DT_LNK� undeclared
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[11:36] <mike_t> ShorTie, dirent.h
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[11:37] <ShorTie> i have that included, #include <dirent.h>
[11:40] <mike_t> hm... strangely
[11:42] <Bhaal> So, apparently the RaspberryPi can do this: http://bha.al/gallery/index.php/Misc/20140416_172354
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[12:08] <Bhaal> Anyone know how many 320x240 mjpeg @5fps streams the raspberry pi can handle with zoneminder installed?
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[12:14] <[Saint]> That depends on far too many variables.
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[12:30] <Bhaal> Saint haha, thought it might :/
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[12:39] <[Saint]> There's how idle the CPU is at the time to consider, the amount of network throughput at the time, any other IO operations that may be running at the same time, etc.
[12:39] <[Saint]> There's no way to put a definite number on it.
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[12:39] <Bhaal> [Saint]: Zoneminder would be the only thing running on the Pi, and it wouldn't be doing motion detection, just purely writing to disk...
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[12:40] <Bhaal> So it would be more of a throughput issue on the USB bus...
[12:40] <[Saint]> ~3MB/s or so.
[12:40] <[Saint]> Give or take.
[12:42] <Bhaal> [Saint]: Hmmm, I've got a RPi running with 4 tuners and last night during testing was recording 2 HDTV streams, 1 SDTV stream and watching another HDTV stream on a remote xbmc ... It worked really well...
[12:43] <[Saint]> Hmmmm. My numbers are likely skewed by network traffic.
[12:43] <Bhaal> [Saint]: That picture I linked to earlier is what I slapped together this afternoon...
[12:43] <linuxstb> [Saint]: You sure? I'm sure I've read that people have been streaming 40Mbits/s videos to the Pi successfully.
[12:44] <Bhaal> linuxstb: haha that might explain why I've had some pretty decent luck with the USb tuners and tvheadend then ...
[12:44] <[Saint]> Aha - USB storage, not sd, right - that'll make a difference indeed.
[12:44] <[Saint]> I should've asked.
[12:44] <linuxstb> I'm talking about streaming via ethernet
[12:45] <Bhaal> 40Mbit/s is more then enough to handle what I am throwing at it with those tuners..... Which is making me wonder whether I could move zoneminder onto another RPi
[12:45] <linuxstb> But that should be an indication of usb speed.
[12:45] <Bhaal> [Saint]: Yes, usb storage... 1TB seagate external drive...
[12:46] <[Saint]> I guess I should do a bench when I'm not thrashing the network. 40Mb/s seems awfully high to me.
[12:48] <Bhaal> Hmmm, maybe it won't handle the zoneminder stuff *shrug* can't hurt but to try I guess, if that doesn't work, I will get a Minnowboard MAX when they are released...
[12:48] <[Saint]> That's one of the reasons why I swapped out for much lower specced sdcards.
[12:49] <[Saint]> I never got anywhere near pushing the potential of a high end Class 10 card./
[12:49] <[Saint]> I had backflip UHS-II SanDisk Pro cards in mine but there just wasn;t any point.
[12:50] <Bhaal> I am running bog standard 4GB class 4 SanDisk cards in mine, never skipped a beat...
[12:51] * linuxstb too
[12:51] <[Saint]> I didn't have any issues with my cards other than them being absolute overkill
[12:51] <[Saint]> The live in my tablets/phones now.
[12:52] <Bhaal> the rpi I am using to monitor my weather station, PV inverter and running an old USB webcam has regular lines of rubbish written to syslog ... But its still working, no issues with the sd card so far...
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[12:52] <clever> [Saint]: ive heard that some class 10 cards are optimized for large writes at once, like digital photos
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[12:52] <clever> so using them with a generic filesystem will give worse performance
[12:52] <[Saint]> I suspect my issue with throughput might be network thrashing.
[12:53] <[Saint]> But I didn't expect it to have *that* much of an effect.
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[12:53] <[Saint]> Sustained writes aren't anything to write home about here.
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[12:54] <Bhaal> Most of my network is 100mb devices, and most of the traffic is video, either cctv or TV/movies ...
[12:54] <[Saint]> It _could_ also be that I'm wildly misremembering the digits. ;)
[12:54] <[Saint]> Its been a while. I use my Snowballs now.
[12:54] * Bhaal looks at his fingers...
[12:55] <Bhaal> snowballs?
[12:55] <[Saint]> ST-E Snowball - Calao Systems
[12:55] <[Saint]> (a vastly superior, but discontinued, ARM dev board)
[12:56] <[Saint]> There's ~200 left if people still want them.
[12:56] <[Saint]> $50 USD
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[12:57] <[Saint]> I've been poking a little at overclocking the Mali400 on it.
[12:57] <[Saint]> Man, some of those things can take a very generous OC.
[12:58] <[Saint]> In the vacinity of 100%
[12:58] <[Saint]> (while undervolted, even - they're very rugged little creatures)
[12:59] <Bhaal> Ohhh, an A9 core ... so it will run native Ubuntu ARM
[12:59] <[Saint]> It does inded.
[12:59] <[Saint]> And Android.
[12:59] <Bhaal> What's its power consumption like though?
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[13:00] <[Saint]> It can't compete with the pi, of course, but its still only in the area of a few bucks per year.
[13:01] <[Saint]> The main fun bits on it are all the additional sensors.
[13:01] <[Saint]> It comes with many sensors people commonly add to a pi baked in.
[13:01] <Bhaal> How much bigger is it?
[13:01] <[Saint]> its pico factor.
[13:02] <[Saint]> (85x85mm IIRC)
[13:02] <Bhaal> Would be good if it had a temp sensor (that wasn't affected by board temp)
[13:02] <Bhaal> Not much bigger
[13:02] <Bhaal> then a pi
[13:02] <Bhaal> than
[13:02] * [Saint] nods
[13:03] <ShorTie> does it matter how you list your #include's ??
[13:03] <[Saint]> for sanities sake alphabetically is nice, but generally, no.
[13:04] <[Saint]> There's probably corner cases I'm not aware of
[13:04] <[Saint]> (aren't there always? ;))
[13:04] <ShorTie> ok, Thanks [Saint], i like alphabatize too
[13:05] <Bhaal> [Saint]: Where buy snowballs from?
[13:06] <Bhaal> [Saint]: How do you think they would perform in my zoneminder scenario? :)
[13:07] <[Saint]> Well, its a 1.2GHz (max) dual core with no silly limitations brought on by bus sharing, with very fast embedded storage - so you tell me. ;)
[13:07] <[Saint]> also - http://www.calao-store.com/en_GB
[13:08] <[Saint]> "officially" its 900MHz, but, nuts to that.
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[13:09] <[Saint]> I haven't yet found one that won't do at least 1.1GB.
[13:09] <[Saint]> But they top out at 1.25GHz (technically 1228MHz)
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[13:10] <[Saint]> For raw power and features vs. cost, its the best little board I'm aware of currently.
[13:12] <[Saint]> But that is only because it FAILED *miserably* at launch time and its being dropped like a hot rock by Calao Systems who want to wash their hands of their failure - these guys got *killed* by Raspberry Pi, and they're dumping stock at 1/6th the original price.
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[13:12] <[Saint]> Poor guys launched around the same time as Raspberry Pi, and it hurt them badly.
[13:13] <Bhaal> Yeah, they should have held off... Probably would have far more people... What's its driver support like?
[13:13] <[Saint]> They had a similar product that cost 6 times more and couldn;t ever hope to have the same kind of publicity.
[13:14] <Bhaal> Haha yeah, the RPi is designed for kids to learn code on etc... As everyone says, it was never designed to do what people are doing with it...
[13:14] <[Saint]> Driver support is a little bit flakey for some more obscure things I'm lead to believe, but reasonable.
[13:14] <[Saint]> Community is pretty much dead, though.
[13:14] <Bhaal> Heck, I have sitting inside an aluminium tube on the roof of my house...
[13:14] <Bhaal> http://bha.al/gallery/index.php/Rasberry-Pi-Weather-Cam
[13:15] <[Saint]> Awesome.
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[13:16] <[Saint]> If it had SATA, then *man* it would be awesome.
[13:16] <Bhaal> Hmmm, community is dead is not a real good thing.... Well I need to get another RPi now to replace the one which accidentally turned into a PVR ...
[13:16] <[Saint]> More of these teeny-boards need SATA.
[13:16] <Bhaal> It was suppose to be another weather camera, but I hadn't got around to buying a NOIR camera...
[13:17] <[Saint]> Ah. Nightvision? :)
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[13:17] <Bhaal> [Saint]: I actually have a need for a board with USB3 and SATA(at least sata2) on it, thankfully the Minnowboard MAX is about to hit the shelves...
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[13:18] <[Saint]> She's not cheap, though.
[13:18] <Bhaal> [Saint]: The camera, not so much night vision, more so for low light ie: so it can hopefully see the stars (with long exposure)
[13:18] <Bhaal> [Saint]: The Minnowboard MAX? *shrug* $129 isn't bad for what it is, its basically an eeebox without a case...
[13:19] <[Saint]> May as well buy a second hand EEE901
[13:19] <Bhaal> USB3?
[13:19] <[Saint]> Ah, hmmm. Right.
[13:20] <Bhaal> :)
[13:21] <Bhaal> I need it for data recovery... Not to mention the Minnowboard MAX has gpio as well, which I will be using to switch the USB3 hdd dock on/off when it encounters a hdd which locks up
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[13:22] <ppq> [Saint], http://www.calao-store.com/epages/61428605.sf/en_GB/?ObjectPath=/Shops/61428605/Products/905-00024-B01 this one? looks really nice indeed
[13:22] <[Saint]> ppq: there's several variants available, so be careful about the description.
[13:22] <Bhaal> Must admit though, we are just getting into very exciting times now with all this cheap, small, low power consumption hardware coming out...
[13:23] <[Saint]> Some are 4GB, some 8, some with eth, wifi, and bluetooth, some without.
[13:23] <[Saint]> All the same price.
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[13:23] <[Saint]> (so you'd be mad not to get the 8GB one with ethernet and wireless and BT, etc.)
[13:23] <ppq> this is the one with 8 GB and wifi/bt/gps
[13:23] <[Saint]> AHa, then, yes. Indeed.
[13:24] <[Saint]> 35 Euro, or whatever that odd currency symbol is.
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[13:24] <ppq> it is
[13:24] <[Saint]> It works out to about $50 USD
[13:24] <Bhaal> [Saint]: So when you say obscure issues with drivers, you mean with its hardware or for stuff people are plugging in?
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[13:24] <[Saint]> Bhaal: the latter.
[13:25] <ppq> plus 19% in my country.. damn taxes
[13:25] <[Saint]> Spotty support for no-name devices.
[13:25] <[Saint]> But that's to be expected most anywhere I guess.
[13:25] <[Saint]> I haven't hit any issues myself, though.
[13:25] <ShorTie> darn*
[13:25] <[Saint]> So far everything just works.
[13:25] <Bhaal> True....
[13:25] <Bhaal> Hmmm...
[13:26] <ppq> [Saint], is it possible to install debian or even ubuntu-arm on that board?
[13:26] <Bhaal> ppq: both
[13:26] <Bhaal> apparently
[13:26] <Bhaal> I wonder how much to ship it to australia
[13:26] <ppq> nice. i'm really tempted
[13:27] <Bhaal> Yeah, I'm thinking about it...
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[13:27] <[Saint]> see: https://wiki.linaro.org/Boards/ST-Ericsson/Snowball
[13:27] <[Saint]> (there's a few images available there)
[13:27] <[Saint]> And random others dotted around the infotubes.
[13:28] <[Saint]> I have yet to get around to compiling KitKat for it - but if I merge some of my NovaThor CM11 hacks in it should be possible.
[13:29] <[Saint]> Unfortunately igloocommunity.org seems to have vanished into a black hole.
[13:30] <[Saint]> That's the one thing I will be adament about warning about.
[13:30] <[Saint]> The community has vanished, and support is nonexistent.
[13:30] <[Saint]> She sure ain't no pi.
[13:30] <Bhaal> yeah, tried going there before...
[13:31] <Squarepy> seems like a dead end
[13:31] <[Saint]> Squarepy: only if you need hand holding.
[13:32] <[Saint]> (I don't mean that how it may sound, I promise)
[13:32] <Squarepy> well even for a dev, why not effort in a machine, were others can use your stuff
[13:32] <Squarepy> put*
[13:32] <Squarepy> where* :)
[13:33] <[Saint]> Why could they not?
[13:34] <Squarepy> agreed, they could
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[13:35] <[Saint]> There's still a lot of potential for someone to use this board to give back to the wider (non hardware specific) community.
[13:36] <[Saint]> Perhaps even more so as you know the packages on it didn't need to be massaged into compiling.
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[13:37] <skiddex> any squeak users here?
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[13:38] <Squarepy> [Saint], ok
[13:38] <[Saint]> Anyhoo - its beddie-bye-bye time for this old man.
[13:38] <[Saint]> o/
[13:38] <Squarepy> \o
[13:39] <skiddex> squeak anyone?
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[13:47] <ShorTie> my chair does
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[14:13] <retrosenator> why is rpigears giving me 560fps and glxgears only 60?
[14:14] <retrosenator> also, why is raspi2png give a display of 720x480 which rpigears uses all of, but x is a resolution of only 640x480?
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[14:15] <ShorTie> i would think because rpigears is using the raspberry video core, where glxgears doesn't
[14:15] <retrosenator> glxgears is using glshim though
[14:15] <retrosenator> so it is using the openglesv1
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[14:15] <retrosenator> with software the fram rate is only like 10
[14:16] <retrosenator> I"m wondering if it's blocked at 60fps from vsync or something
[14:19] <[Saint]> http://leapsecond.com/pages/atomic-bill/
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[14:21] <retrosenator> is it really atomic?
[14:21] <[Saint]> 'tis indeed.
[14:21] <retrosenator> also, how many kilograms?
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[14:22] <[Saint]> roughly ~25
[14:22] <retrosenator> is that with lead acid batteries?
[14:22] <[Saint]> you can see the guy is visibly straining. :)
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[14:22] <retrosenator> also at that weight I would need the backpack edition
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[14:23] <retrosenator> most cell phones can get atomic time from tower
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[14:24] <[Saint]> accurate to a few seconds.
[14:24] <[Saint]> these have a few nanoseconds or variance each year.
[14:24] <[Saint]> *of
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[14:25] <Squarepy> that is a fine time piece
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[14:38] <AbbyTheRat> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v-teu90Zbww
[14:39] <AbbyTheRat> for [Saint]
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[15:04] <Solak> hmm, where can I find a list of supported video-modes for the pi's gfx card?
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[15:06] <demlak> hi.. anyone know of a simple airflow sensor? i need to constantly check if a air-pump is still working.. flow is between 80l and 400 l per hour...
[15:07] <SpeedEvil> 0th order - check it's vibrating
[15:07] <SpeedEvil> What pressure?
[15:09] <demlak> vibrating does not mean it�s producing air.. memrbane could be defect..
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[15:09] <SpeedEvil> true
[15:09] <SpeedEvil> Is it a fishtank pump?
[15:09] <demlak> i don�t know the pressure.. it�s low.. its an aquarium airpump
[15:09] <demlak> jepp
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[15:10] <SpeedEvil> http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/BEKO-WASHING-MACHINE-PRESSURE-SWITCH-/191109779936?pt=UK_Irons_Presses&hash=item2c7f07d1e0
[15:11] <demlak> pressure switch.. hmm.. i does it work?
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[15:11] <demlak> and.. isn�t this working with water?
[15:12] <SpeedEvil> yes - but it's a sealed membrane, and is usually installed above the waterine
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[15:12] <pksato> a microphone can be used a simple pressure sensor.
[15:12] <demlak> PKodon nice idea.. hmm
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[15:14] <SpeedEvil> Or if you want to get all sciency - you can get I2C/SPI pressure sensors
[15:14] <pksato> or temperature diff.
[15:14] <SpeedEvil> http://uk.farnell.com/honeywell-s-c/asdxavx010ng2a5/sensor-10-in-h2o-gage-i2c-0x28/dp/1784667
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[15:15] <pksato> http://playground.arduino.cc/Main/ThermalAnemometer
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[15:17] <SpeedEvil> http://uk.farnell.com/honeywell-s-c/asdxrrx100pg2a5/sensor-100psi-gage-radial/dp/1784712 - I think will actually work
[15:18] <SpeedEvil> (it will have lousy resolution at 1PSi pressure, but should be fine for on/off)
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[15:20] <demlak> nice
[15:20] <demlak> thx a lot
[15:20] <demlak> just found sensors above 50 euro
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[15:25] <SpeedEvil> Analog sensors are generally cheaper
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[15:25] <SpeedEvil> That is likely an overstovk
[15:26] <Feigrim> Has anyone here tried using an IBM 8512 or IBM 8513 with a Pi, using a VGA->HDMI adapter?
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[15:28] <IT_Sean> You mean an HDMI>VGA adapter, right? 'cause those things are directional, and the Pi hasn't got VGA.
[15:28] <Feigrim> well VGA female to HDMI male
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[15:28] <Feigrim> I was not sure of how you are supposed to write it
[15:28] <IT_Sean> So, it's VGA -> HDMI then.
[15:29] <IT_Sean> It takes VGA and convertes it to HDMI?
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[15:29] <Feigrim> yes
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[15:29] <Feigrim> the IBM 8512 and 8513 monitors only have VGA
[15:29] <IT_Sean> The raspi doesn't have VGA, so, not sure how that would work.
[15:29] <Feigrim> on account of them being CRTs from the 80s :P
[15:29] <IT_Sean> Right.
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[15:29] <IT_Sean> Okay, i see what you are trying to do.
[15:30] <IT_Sean> Is it an HDMI -> VGA adapter, or an HDMI <- VGA adapter? (note the direction of my arrows). Those things are directional, and will only work "one way".
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[15:30] <Feigrim> http://s3.amazonaws.com/thmb.inkfrog.com/pix/heman288/HDMI_TO_VGA_BLACK.jpg/600/0
[15:30] <Feigrim> like that
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[15:30] <Feigrim> because cord from monitor has VGA male and Pi has HDMI female
[15:30] <IT_Sean> Do you have a link to the product page? The picture tells me nothing.
[15:31] <Feigrim> http://www.ebay.com/itm/HDMI-Male-to-VGA-RGB-Female-HDMI-to-VGA-Video-Converter-adapter-1080P-for-PC-ne-/350655570552
[15:31] <IT_Sean> standby...
[15:32] <IT_Sean> I cannot comment on that exact adapter, but, in theory, that should work.
[15:32] <Feigrim> the question was really more about how those particular monitors work with their resolution and pins on the VGA connector, not the adapter itself
[15:32] <Feigrim> since I have read about people successfully using them with a Pi on other VGA monitors
[15:32] <pksato> standard vga, 640x480.
[15:33] <IT_Sean> Ah, okay. Sorry... never used those particular monitors
[15:33] <Feigrim> pksato: it's not gonna matter whether it's monochrome or color?
[15:33] <mfa298> specifying male/female for video cables seems a bit pointless I think all the vga/dvi/hdmi cables I've got are male to male for connecting a device to a monitor.
[15:34] <Feigrim> mfa298: if you are using an adapter/converter then specifying which side is female and which is male can be crucial
[15:34] <IT_Sean> Indeed... all HDMI cables will be male. Female HDMI connectors are only used on the device itself.
[15:34] <pksato> Feigrim: no.
[15:34] <IT_Sean> mfa298 is correct... specifying male/female, in this case, is pointless.
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[15:34] <mfa298> Feigrim: probably more important to specify which is input and which is output
[15:35] <IT_Sean> ^ THAT!
[15:35] <Feigrim> IT_Sean: so specifying that I am using an adapter that is compatible with the Pi because it has HDMI male and not HDMI female is pointless?
[15:35] <IT_Sean> YES
[15:36] <pksato> VGA to HDMI can have external power input.
[15:36] <IT_Sean> A vga/hdmi adapter cound work in either direction and still have a female vga connector and a male hdmi connector. the gender of the connectors tells us NOTHING about the function of the adapter
[15:36] <Feigrim> IT_Sean: ok then I am using an unspecified adapter to connect an unspecified monitor, will it work?
[15:37] <IT_Sean> Feigrim
[15:37] <IT_Sean> A vga/hdmi adapter cound work in either direction and still have a female vga connector and a male hdmi connector. the gender of the connectors tells us NOTHING about the function of the adapter
[15:37] <Feigrim> I already knew that the adapter worked for specifically hooking up a Pi to a VGA monitor before I asked the question, the question was about those specific IBM monitors
[15:38] <Feigrim> and their pin outs on the VGA and resolutions
[15:38] <IT_Sean> Feigrim: WE did not know that... We are not mind readers.
[15:38] <pksato> Feigrim: ibm 8512/13 are standard VGA monitor 640x480.
[15:38] <IT_Sean> you asked us, basically, "can this adapter be used to hook up a vga monitor"
[15:39] <pksato> and, need to set manualy this resolution on config.txt
[15:39] <Feigrim> IT_Sean: ok I shouldn't have mentioned the adapter at all in the question since it was not relevant
[15:39] <Feigrim> pksato: yeah I'll just set it in vidcontrol since I'll be running FreeBSD
[15:40] <Feigrim> and I am not even sure I'll be running X at all on it
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[15:41] <mfa298> Feigrim: the adapter potentially is relevant but the only way you're likely to get a definitive answer is if you try it - unless someone else is already using the same combination (which seems less likely)
[15:42] <Feigrim> mfa298: yes that's why I specifically asked if anyone had tried those monitors because I knew that you pretty much have to try it to know for sure :)
[15:45] <pksato> CRT Monitor on second decade of XXI century? :)
[15:46] <IT_Sean> ^ indeed... Seems silly... Everyone uses LCDs these days.
[15:46] <Feigrim> pksato: yes to go with my IBM Model M, for writing and playing interactive fiction mostly
[15:46] <mfa298> not just a CRT one of the earlier CRT's
[15:47] <Feigrim> they look cool imo
[15:47] <Feigrim> and aren't too big and bulky
[15:47] <Feigrim> as far as CRTs go at least
[15:47] <retrosenator> you are using a CRT with the pi?
[15:47] <mfa298> when we scrapped a similar machine from somewhere I worked 10 years ago it was already pretty ancient (was just used as a serial console for a set of routers)
[15:48] <Feigrim> retrosenator: I plan on if I can get my hands on one
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[15:50] <pksato> one problem of these montitor, is if pin 9 is grounded.
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[15:50] <retrosenator> I wonder where I could find a crt
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[15:51] <retrosenator> lots of people still have them for tv's
[15:51] <retrosenator> can that work?
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[15:52] <Feigrim> it can be tricky if it doesn't have VGA I think
[15:53] <IT_Sean> It'll work if it has a composite gazinta
[15:53] <IT_Sean> as the raspi has a composite gouzouta
[15:53] <IT_Sean> *comzouta
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[15:57] <d3lphi> if I connect my RaspberryPi with HDMI cable to my TV can I control my XBMC player (or Openelec) which is installed on my RPi with the remote control of TV ?
[15:58] <IT_Sean> Yes, IF (read: IF) your TV supports CEC
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[18:52] <AbbyTheRat> IT_Sean: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v-teu90Zbww
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[18:53] <AbbyTheRat> now I gotta figure out how to wire up my 5 lit buttons >_>
[18:55] <AbbyTheRat> I don't think I have enough pins to wire up the LED as well.. so maybe I should just set it to be on all the time. Hmm
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[18:55] <IT_Sean> Noice
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[19:11] <Encrypt> AbbyTheRat, Add a microcontroller ;)
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[19:11] <AbbyTheRat> <_<
[19:12] <AbbyTheRat> I think I Can do it..
[19:12] <AbbyTheRat> with the pins I got left
[19:12] <Encrypt> AbbyTheRat, I mean, you could use a simple Atmel attiny
[19:12] <Encrypt> And communcate to it thanks to one pin
[19:12] <Encrypt> Giving the sequence:
[19:12] <Encrypt> <number of the LED> <state of the LED>
[19:13] <Encrypt> For the 3rd LED for example;
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[19:13] <AbbyTheRat> yeah, I can do it. I'll use the 3v3 and just have the LED on all the time
[19:13] <Encrypt> <0011><1>
[19:13] <AbbyTheRat> with the button on the 5 free pins
[19:13] <AbbyTheRat> and all the common/LED + on the GND
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[19:18] <Encrypt> AbbyTheRat, You may like the compute board :p
[19:18] <Encrypt> Lots of pins \o/
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[19:21] <AbbyTheRat> Hee, money!
[19:23] <johnc-> is it bad to use both the 3.3v and 5v pins at the same time?
[19:23] <IT_Sean> Just don't cross them
[19:24] <johnc-> naw, I am using the 3.3v for an IR sensor and want to attach a PIR also
[19:26] <johnc-> I'm setting up to make my first rpi video soon :)
[19:26] <IT_Sean> johnc-: you do know that the 5v GPIO pin is not switched, right?
[19:27] <johnc-> I just do what adafruit tells me !
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[19:28] <Squarepy> did not know there was 5V gpio
[19:29] <IT_Sean> There is one pin on the GPIO header that is a +5v supply. It is a direct connection to the 5v input line. so... raspi plugged in, +5vdc present on that pin.
[19:29] <IT_Sean> it is NOT software controllable.
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[19:29] <johnc-> right, yeah
[19:30] <Squarepy> ok, that confirms my suspicion :)
[19:30] <johnc-> blah, of course I'll have to breakout anyway :/ need to share the ground pin, doh
[19:30] <Squarepy> I bought some logic level convertors to cross the pi with the arduino
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[19:30] <Squarepy> converters*
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[19:50] <AbbyTheRat> the 3v3 is reasonable for the LED on the buttons, right?
[19:51] <IT_Sean> depends on the LEDs in the buttons.
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[19:58] <necromz> Hi, I have this old MSI 4-port hub - http://www.ebay.de/itm/MSI-STAR-USB-2-0-HUB-4-PORT-w-Light-pluged-in-NEW-/350306579902?pt=US_USB_Cables_Hubs_Adapters&hash=item518fe635be
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[19:59] <necromz> Trying to get it to work, but it's not getting picked up
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[19:59] <necromz> Works on my desktop PC
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[20:00] <necromz> Anyone got any idea at all?
[20:01] <necromz> like should I throw it and buy a new
[20:01] <necromz> where I could make sure it's not electricity greedy etc
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[20:03] <IT_Sean> necromz: that does not appear to be an externally powered hub. You need an externally powered hub.
[20:04] <h0us3cat> Does someone has a retropie?
[20:04] <necromz> Is it possible to get more power to the PI by any chance?
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[20:04] <necromz> I have it connected to MicroUSB
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[20:04] <IT_Sean> necromz: No, there is not. You need a powered USB hub.
[20:04] <necromz> Aww, that's a shame - know any good cheap to recommend?
[20:05] <h0us3cat> I have one up and running, only problem is if i add new roms. I dont see them.
[20:05] <IT_Sean> Check amazon... should be able to get one for a few dollars.
[20:05] <necromz> over $33 will get taxed 25%, only thing I hate :)
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[20:36] <nkoza> is the Raspicam camera driver available somewhere? There is some kernel driver code for accessing the MIPI bus?
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[20:48] <ShorTie> newark or farnell should have camera's
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[21:11] <gorhgorh> hi there, I’m testing the pi noir camera, and it works fine, but i got a strange issue, if i take some pict or vid via ssh, my ssh connection crashes, and ssh does not work until i reboot, anyone else experienced that ?
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[21:12] <gorhgorh> I thought it was a speed problem, so i got a faster sd on a fresh install, but it keep on doing the same
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[21:13] <pksato> gorhgorh: can be a power issue.
[21:13] <gorhgorh> i don’t think so
[21:14] <IT_Sean> why do you not think so?
[21:14] <gorhgorh> the pi is now on a screen and keyboard setup
[21:14] <IT_Sean> Ah, i see.
[21:14] <gorhgorh> i can take pict and vids
[21:14] <gorhgorh> if i ssh to the pi
[21:14] <gorhgorh> do the sam
[21:14] <gorhgorh> the pict is taken
[21:14] <gorhgorh> but ssh crashes
[21:14] <gorhgorh> not responding
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[21:14] <gorhgorh> this is king of weird :)
[21:15] <IT_Sean> can you not re-connect?
[21:15] <gorhgorh> nope
[21:15] <IT_Sean> that is weihd.
[21:15] <pksato> when take a pic, camera need more power, and 5V drop for short time and reset usb chip/ and lost connection or enter on unstable state.
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[21:16] <IT_Sean> That seems unlikely, if the only USB device he is using is the network connection.
[21:16] <gorhgorh> mhh ok, so you think this is a power issue
[21:16] <IT_Sean> It could be.
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[21:16] <gorhgorh> what would you recommand as a good powersource
[21:17] <IT_Sean> What is the output rating on your current power supply?
[21:17] <jonascj> Hi all. http://www.raspberrypi.org/downloads/ lists sha1 sums. Are the sums of the zip-file or the .img the zip-files it contains?
[21:17] <gorhgorh> regular usb port so kind of poor
[21:18] <gorhgorh> (it is hooked to a computer)
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[21:18] <IT_Sean> Yeah, you need a proper power supply.
[21:18] <IT_Sean> 5v, and capable of supplying at least 1A.
[21:18] <gorhgorh> i got a lab power supply, can i power all with the gpio Vin ?
[21:19] <IT_Sean> you can power it via the 5v pin, however, this is not recommended as it does bypass some protection.
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[21:19] <gorhgorh> ok
[21:19] <Demon_Jester> Ok, guys, this is making me frustrated. It seems like raspbian is so fragile. I just reformatted my sd card because I got a ssl-cert input output error when I try to use sudo apt-get install, NOW I have this error `libjpeg8:armhf': Input/output error. I seriously have no idea what happens. But its pissing me off.
[21:19] <h0us3cat> Does someone has a retropie?
[21:19] <h0us3cat> I have one up and running, only problem is if i add new roms. I dont see them.
[21:19] <Encrypt> jonascj, I think that's the one of the ZIP file
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[21:19] <gorhgorh> thanks then
[21:20] <Encrypt> If the mdsum doesn't correspond to the one of the zip, unzip it and try on the file
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[21:20] <gorhgorh> i’ll try to power it properly to see if that fixes the problem
[21:20] <pksato> set low current (750mA) on lab psu.
[21:20] <Encrypt> If none of them correspond, then there's a problem :p
[21:20] <IT_Sean> no, you want at least 1A
[21:20] <Encrypt> However, I'm pretty sure that's the one of the ZIP
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[21:24] <mfa298> Demon_Jester: maybe try a different sd card that sounds like a filesystem error which generally comes from a bad sd card
[21:26] <Demon_Jester> I checked the sd card compatibily and rpi wiki claims the one I have works just fine.
[21:26] <Demon_Jester> compatibility*
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[21:27] <johnc-> I need a gpio device that can control the weather
[21:27] <jonascj> hmm.... I cannot get more than a single response from kill -usr1 when using dd. Any way I can try to debug / find out if something is actually happening or if it is hanging.
[21:28] <mfa298> it could still be worth trying a different one. I've got three identical cards one works fine one fails (I'm not sure about the third)
[21:28] <Demon_Jester> Ok, I downloaded the library that has the input output error is there a way to install it without using dpkg? if I try dpkg it will throw the same error..
[21:30] <jonascj> sorry, that was meant for #linux
[21:31] <mfa298> Demon_Jester: if it's a file system error that potentially wont help.
[21:32] <Demon_Jester> dpkg: unrecoverable fatal error, aborting: unable to open files list file for package `libjpeg8:armhf': Input/output error
[21:32] <Demon_Jester> i guess it is unrecoverable
[21:32] <Demon_Jester> gah
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[21:32] <mfa298> you can extract the contents of the .deb but that will mean the package manager potentially wont match whats installed which could give a lot more issues down the line
[21:33] <Demon_Jester> how can i extract the .deb? tar?
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[21:33] <skiddex> any squeak fans here?
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[21:33] <Demon_Jester> nvm its ar
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[21:35] <mfa298> I'd highly recommend trying a different SD card as if that one is on it's way out you'll just keep on having issues
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[21:36] <shauno> cat the.deb >/dev/null if you still error on a straight read, either the card or the filesystem are damaged (compatible doesn't mean invincible)
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[21:38] <skiddex> i am having issues with some of preimminent's LaserGame methods
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[21:40] <skiddex> unit tests are broken after about twentytwo
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[21:54] <Demon_Jester> If I backed up dpkg would that back up my .armhf files, too? or just the packages and thats it?
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[22:59] <voxadam> Is Raspbian the currently most useable general purpose distro for the Pi?
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[23:04] <Encrypt> voxadam, I do think so
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[23:06] <mfa298> voxadam: I've only used rasbian and pidora and rasbian generally seems to be better than pidora (and I'm normally a Fedora user)
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[23:06] <voxadam> Great. Thanks for the info.
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[23:18] <gordonDrogon> johnc-, when you get that GPIO device to control the weather, make sure the sun shines in Devon and it only rains at night.
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[23:19] <johnc-> it's just sad that my weather service code only gets properties and can't set them :(
[23:22] <egradman> hey gordonDrogon: I compiled wiringPi into an OpenFrameworks project last night and it rocked my world.
[23:22] <gordonDrogon> I think that's good...
[23:22] <egradman> :)
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[23:23] <egradman> yeah. its so nice to be able to do accelerated graphics AND gpio in the same binary. so thank you.
[23:23] <johnc-> is the RPi.GPIO python library based on wiringPi?
[23:23] <gordonDrogon> no - it's selarate.
[23:23] <gordonDrogon> *separate.
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[23:24] <gordonDrogon> egradman, I hear SDL2 has accelerated graphics though - I'm about to be checking it next week.
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[23:24] <johnc-> I'm not super up on pi tech, do rpi.gpio and wiringpi access the gpio through the bcmhost? I read somewhere there's a filesystem structure you can interact with that's slow
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[23:25] <gordonDrogon> wiringPi uses either the /sys/class/gpio interface (slow), or direct hardware access via /dev/mem (very fast).
[23:25] <egradman> I've been working with oF for years on desktop, and whenever I needed gpio I'd have to serial an arduino. Now one rpi does everything.
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[23:25] <Ecoste> Hey guys, when you set a GPIO pin to out and set it to true(Python GPIO), what happens to the voltage in the pin?
[23:25] <gordonDrogon> RPi.GPIO originally used the /sys/class/gpio interface, but I think it now uses the /dev/mem interface, but I'm no expert on it as I don't program in Python.
[23:26] <Ecoste> Relative to a 5V let's say.
[23:26] <gordonDrogon> egradman, check my DRC module - you can serial to an arduino and seamlessly extend wiringPi ...
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[23:26] <gordonDrogon> Ecoste, The Pi's GPIO is 3.3v, so the pin is driven to 3.3v.
[23:26] <SpeedEvil> Ecoste: The ...
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[23:27] <johnc-> my python environment can't use rpi.gpio so I need to add a replacement, gonna be fun :/
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[23:27] <gordonDrogon> johnc-, there are wiringPi wrappers for Python, but I didn't create them. see github.com/wiringpi
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[23:28] <egradman> gordondrogon does that serve the same role as firmata?
[23:28] <gordonDrogon> egradman, I think it's the same idea, but you need to flash my DRC code into the ATmega.
[23:28] <gordonDrogon> https://projects.drogon.net/drogon-remote-control/
[23:29] <johnc-> gordonDrogon: wiringpi-python is still a CPython module/extension/whatever so it won't work
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[23:29] <gordonDrogon> johnc-, I've absolutely no idea. I do not program in Python so that means nothing to me.
[23:29] <johnc-> I didn't either until 2 days ago
[23:30] <egradman> got it. I've got a heavily modified firmata codebase for doing something similar in oF. But usually I'm still adding custom code in the arduino rather than just doing GPIO.
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[23:30] <egradman> johnc what are you trying to do?
[23:30] <egradman> and why can't you use rpi.gpio?
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[23:31] <egradman> I just use firmata as the messaging layer.
[23:31] <johnc-> my python environment isn't CPython and I want access to the gpio
[23:32] <egradman> oh, got it. If you're okay with a speed-hit, you can hit /sys/class/gpio directly. You don't need a module necessarily
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[23:32] <egradman> here's a dead-simple example: https://sites.google.com/site/semilleroadt/raspberry-pi-tutorials/gpio
[23:32] <egradman> bbiab
[23:32] <johnc-> it's for other devs to get their hands on, so I want to write a replacement api that's not slow
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[23:33] <johnc-> I'll probably write a binding to wiringpi that'll work the same way as one of the other apis
[23:33] <gordonDrogon> if you use the /sys/class interface, then the "trick" is to pre-open the devices in your program and never close them - just write to the value files.
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[23:35] <johnc-> basically I have a framework that let's me do lots of home automation stuff between computers and devices and I'm adding python scripting to it
[23:35] <johnc-> gonna make a cool demo once it's a bit more polished :)
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[23:53] <AbbyTheRat> quick question, can the LED handle the 3v3 straight off the pi?
[23:53] <AbbyTheRat> like the LED in a button
[23:53] <gordonDrogon> needs a resistor.
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[23:54] <AbbyTheRat> damn, okie
[23:54] <AbbyTheRat> new plan
[23:54] <AbbyTheRat> use the onimoto.. thingy.. can't spell.. that came with my LCD
[23:54] <AbbyTheRat> that'll work
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