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IRC Log for 2014-04-28

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[0:00] <[Ex0r]> yeah me too, haha
[0:01] <slymatt> I'm trying to get humidity/temp sensor working I'm using a dht11 any idea?
[0:03] <[Ex0r]> No I don't, sorry. I'm trying to figure a solution out myself.
[0:04] <slymatt> ahh lol ok well I'm going to carry on tomorrow=P
[0:04] <slymatt> bb
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[0:09] <rikkib> I have AM2302 (DHT22 equiv) running on RPi
[0:10] <rikkib> Temperature 22.4 C Pressure 1007 hPa AM2302 Temp: 21.6, RH: 100.0% Dew Point: 21.6
[0:10] <rikkib> Combined with a pressure sensor
[0:11] <rikkib> Ug he quite
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[0:13] <ShorTie> oh blaa to you, lol.
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[0:13] <ShorTie> i can't get a word out of mine .. :/~
[0:14] <rikkib> Looked for the quit message to
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[0:15] <rikkib> wiringpi has example code
[0:15] <rikkib> rht03.c
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[0:16] <ShorTie> yup, been lookin at it
[0:16] <rikkib> What value pullup are you using?
[0:16] <rikkib> Do you have a bypass cap on the supply?
[0:17] <ShorTie> i,ve tries 1k, per spec sheet, 4.7k and 10k
[0:17] <ShorTie> yup, got that too
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[0:18] <rikkib> I am using 1K and a .01 bypass cap
[0:19] <rikkib> But as I said I am using AM2302
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[0:19] <ShorTie> ya, me 2
[0:20] <rikkib> I also wrote code for DS18B20 which I think is the same protocol but code is for MC9S08
[0:21] <ShorTie> got that 1 work'n too
[0:21] <rikkib> That was a bit tricky getting 1uS pulses. Had to speed the mcu to 8MHz
[0:21] <rikkib> and it ill ops
[0:21] <rikkib> at 8Meg
[0:22] <rikkib> so the machine switches back and forth between 4 and 8 MHz
[0:22] <rikkib> to mimimize the impact
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[0:22] <ShorTie> i'm using 1 of the serial pins configured as a reg pin, don't know ifthat makes a difference or not
[0:23] <rikkib> the mcu resets on ill op so it still keeps goin
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[0:23] <rikkib> I would think not
[0:24] <rikkib> the gates when not configed as serial are probably the same as the other pins
[0:25] <[Ex0r]> hmm, do the GPIO pins work on standby ?
[0:25] <clever> which cpu?
[0:25] <rikkib> define on standby
[0:25] <[Ex0r]> rikkib- like when you power it on but its not booted up
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[0:25] <rikkib> No
[0:25] <clever> [Ex0r]: bcm2835 or avr?
[0:26] <rikkib> they need drivers in the kernel
[0:26] <ShorTie> got some ds1302's coming to see if a RTC might help
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[0:26] <[Ex0r]> clever- not sure which one it is, id have to look
[0:26] <[Ex0r]> Was wondering if I could set a GPIO pin to constantly power an LED as long as its not in standby, and if it is power the LED off
[0:26] <cousteau> is the USB port controlled by software, or is there some hardware controlling it?
[0:27] <rikkib> firmware
[0:27] <[Ex0r]> so I guess once it boots up into the kernel it would power on the LED, and once it boots out of the kernel it would turn the LED off
[0:27] <cousteau> I see
[0:29] <rikkib> Driving a led is pretty easy and there are various ways to do so depending on whether you want positive or negative logic
[0:30] <clever> i had an idea a few months back, to drive an led from the linux idle thread
[0:30] <clever> so the led is only on if the cpu is busy
[0:30] <clever> and if its idle, the led turns off
[0:30] <[Ex0r]> rikkib- Well pretty much, I want it so when the device is 'on', the led is on, and when the device is 'off', the led is off. I am thinking if I can connect it to a gpio pin, when the kernel is booted the bootup script would power on the led, and when its shut down, it would turn the led off
[0:30] <rikkib> But you can only safely drive two leds without exceeding recommended specs
[0:30] <clever> so effectively, its RAW pwm'ing the led to show cpu usage
[0:30] <clever> in REAL TIME
[0:30] <clever> not average usage being turned into pwm
[0:31] <[Ex0r]> but, im not sure if gpio pins are capable of constantly driving an led, or if it can just blink them
[0:31] <clever> [Ex0r]: thats easy to do
[0:31] <clever> just put a script in rc.local to turn it on at bootup, and turn it off in your shutdown command/script
[0:31] <[Ex0r]> yeah, that would work
[0:31] <[Ex0r]> than have the power button connected to the pi's 'reset' jumpers on the board to power it on
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[0:32] <clever> [Ex0r]: i wouldnt use reset, that has issues
[0:32] <rikkib> You can do led on and off with simple scripts with the file handles
[0:32] <clever> what happens if you hit the button while its already on?, reset!
[0:32] <[Ex0r]> clever- I know, thats what I want
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[0:32] <[Ex0r]> in the case the system locks up, since I cant power cycle the plug
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[0:33] <clever> [Ex0r]: there is a piece of special code in the firmware
[0:33] <[Ex0r]> its actually got two buttons, a 'power' button, and an 'eject' button. I wanted the eject button to be used for reset, and power for on/off, but it seemed easier to just make the power button send a shutdown signal via gpio, and use the 'eject' button to reset the device when its off or when it needs to reboot
[0:34] <clever> after linux shuts down, the gpu firmware will set an interupt on one of the gpio pins
[0:34] <clever> and when that pin changes start, the gpu will re-boot the arm core
[0:34] <clever> so you can wake it up after a halt/shutdown
[0:34] <[Ex0r]> so you can do it right from gpio without using the reset jumpers?
[0:34] <clever> yep
[0:34] <[Ex0r]> does it work the same way ?
[0:34] <[Ex0r]> as long as power isnt removed from the device, it'll work still
[0:35] <clever> if the arm core is fully running, it doesnt do anything special, and it will just act as a normal gpio
[0:35] <clever> monitor it from your own program and do a proper shutdown
[0:35] <clever> if the arm core has shut off (shutdown -h now), the gpu will monitor it from a low power state, and boot the system back up
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[0:35] <[Ex0r]> oh, gotcha. is it a specific pin?
[0:35] <clever> yeah
[0:35] <clever> hard-coded into start.elf
[0:35] <[Ex0r]> k, that helps.
[0:36] <clever> one button to both shut it down and wake it back up, if power is still applied
[0:36] <[Ex0r]> so you can use one button for both options
[0:36] <[Ex0r]> was going to have the button send a shutdown -h now command via gpio on press, than I can have that same button turn it back on when its halted ?
[0:36] <clever> exactly
[0:37] <[Ex0r]> oh wow, that makes it somewhat easier
[0:37] <[Ex0r]> but now to figure out how to make it work when power is removed
[0:37] <clever> ive got an article i found for that
[0:37] <clever> let me grab the mouse for paste
[0:37] <[Ex0r]> the pi is connected to an internal power supply, which is powered via the wall outlet, and I dont want the pi to turn right on when I plug it into the wall
[0:38] <clever> http://spritesmods.com/?art=rpi_arcade
[0:38] <clever> page 5, power supply
[0:39] <clever> in this case, when you shut it off, the power supply cuts all power from the pi
[0:39] <clever> so that special pin to reboot it isnt required
[0:39] <[Ex0r]> im gonna take a look at it and see what all it entails
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[0:39] <clever> basically, PB2 on the avr has multiple uses
[0:39] <[Ex0r]> trying to see if I can do it with little to no more cost other than the pi
[0:40] <clever> PB2 will act as an input on the avr, and an input on the pi
[0:40] <clever> when you press the button quickly, the pi does a proper shutdown
[0:40] <clever> and at shutdown, the pi switches that pin to output
[0:40] <clever> causing the avr to think your holding the button down
[0:40] <clever> then after a 10 second timeout, the avr cuts all power
[0:41] <clever> but if the pi is locked up, you just hold the button for 10 seconds, and the same thing happens
[0:41] <clever> same way you reset a desktop
[0:41] <[Ex0r]> hmm
[0:41] <[Ex0r]> looks like it needs a few extra things
[0:41] <[Ex0r]> how do you program the avr ?
[0:42] <clever> with an avr programmer
[0:42] <[Ex0r]> grr, dont have one
[0:42] <clever> you can make one
[0:42] <clever> and its possible to program it from the pi also
[0:42] <[Ex0r]> thats why im trying to come up with a solution that doesnt require making and building a bunch of extra stuff
[0:42] <clever> or you can buy an AVR with a serial bootloader pre-installed
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[0:42] <clever> then you just wire it to the serial port on the pi and program it thru that
[0:43] <[Ex0r]> are these your plans or just plans you followed ?
[0:43] <clever> just a site i follow
[0:43] <clever> i use https://www.sparkfun.com/products/14 often
[0:44] <[Ex0r]> the first method you gave with using the gpio pin to reset would work nice if there was a way to make it so the pi doesnt turn on until you push the button once, this second method would work too but looks like it involves more cost and work
[0:45] <[Ex0r]> clever- does that connect to two gpio pins on the pi ?
[0:46] <[Ex0r]> i dont see any wires or connectors coming off of it that would connect to usb
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[0:47] <clever> [Ex0r]: the serial programmer isnt gpio based
[0:47] <clever> it connects directly to an avr and a normal pc serial port
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[0:48] <clever> https://www.sparkfun.com/categories/7
[0:48] <[Ex0r]> no im talking about the board on page 5 that he built
[0:48] <clever> ah, *looks*
[0:48] <clever> it only has 3 connections to the pi, the power gpio (can be any pin), +5v, and gnd
[0:48] <clever> no usb involved
[0:49] <[Ex0r]> so they all connect to gpio pins
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[0:49] <clever> yeah
[0:49] <[Ex0r]> wondering how it completely powers off the pi than using only gpio
[0:49] <[Ex0r]> unless theres a way to power on the pi from a complete shutdown using gpio
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[0:49] <clever> thats part of the magic of this schematic
[0:49] <clever> look at where the 5v supply si coming from
[0:49] <clever> http://spritesmods.com/rpi_arcade/schem_5vgen.png
[0:50] <clever> [Ex0r]: follow the blue line
[0:50] <clever> very first thing it goes thru is a mosfet
[0:50] <clever> flip the mosfet off, and power cant flow, you have basically unpluged the entire pi
[0:50] <[Ex0r]> yeah but isnt the main pi supply source via the micro usb plug ?
[0:50] <clever> PB0 of the avr can freely turn that on/off
[0:51] <clever> in this setup, nope
[0:51] <clever> all power comes in thru that mosfet
[0:51] <clever> and the avr can cut it off when needed
[0:51] <[Ex0r]> thats what im trying to figure out, I didnt know GPIO pins could power the pi by themelves
[0:51] <clever> the +5v pin on the gpio header is connected directly to the main 5v rail
[0:51] <[Ex0r]> without using a micro usb connected to it
[0:51] <clever> so you can power it over that
[0:51] <clever> but your bypassing the fuse on the input
[0:52] <[Ex0r]> oh, I wasn't aware of that. I thought it HAD to connect to the microusb
[0:52] <clever> you could cut up a micro usb cable, and feed the +5v&gnd from this schematic, then plug that into the microusb
[0:52] <rikkib> With a 1.1A poly fuse
[0:52] <rikkib> good practise
[0:52] <rikkib> this is what I do
[0:52] <clever> if you want protection, a simple option is to just hack up a cable and use the existing usb input
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[0:53] <rikkib> http://www.zlham.geek.nz/images/news/rpi-sys1.jpg
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[0:53] <[Ex0r]> well what i was trying to do, was go THROUGH the usb input, and power it on/off without having to build another circuit or device
[0:53] <rikkib> I use dc-dc converters
[0:53] <[Ex0r]> or buy something seperate
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[0:54] <rikkib> and put a poly fuse in line and power via 5v gpio pin
[0:54] <[Ex0r]> basically trying to take whats already there between the pi and the original xbox case, and make it work without much more work/design behind it
[0:55] <clever> too many pi's! lol
[0:55] <[Ex0r]> i was going to use a simple circuit between the pi and the main 5v source to determine on/off, but wasnt sure how to save the state when its turned off
[0:55] <clever> [Ex0r]: what is the 3rd pi even doing?
[0:55] <[Ex0r]> wtf rikkib
[0:55] <clever> oh, that was for rikkib
[0:56] <[Ex0r]> clever- its a backup ?
[0:56] <clever> and the 5th one?, its only on the network and nothing else
[0:56] <clever> 4th one is the same
[0:57] <rikkib> Spare toys
[0:57] <rikkib> I also have three on the web
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[0:58] <Xark> rikkib: What do you think of the RPI "compute module"? Will that be handy for any of your stuff?
[0:58] <[Ex0r]> hmm i think i need to get some more pics of this schematic, maybe it will help to understand better how it all ties together
[0:58] <ShorTie> that thing l00ks nifty
[0:58] <rikkib> http://122.61.65.146
[0:59] <rikkib> Have three cams on the web
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[0:59] <[Ex0r]> rikkib- powered by pi ?
[1:00] <rikkib> Not know compute module I will look it up...
[1:00] <rikkib> Yes those three cams are rpi
[1:00] <rikkib> running off nfs
[1:00] <rikkib> two have cam modules one has web cam
[1:00] <[Ex0r]> are they the rpi cameras ?
[1:00] <rikkib> two have rpi cams
[1:00] * Xark notes it looks like a 4-slot toaster on the workers desk (next to computer gear). :)
[1:00] <[Ex0r]> oh wow, you cant tell a difference in resolution really
[1:00] <rikkib> the two top ones
[1:01] <rikkib> one has no ir
[1:01] <rikkib> one is no ir better
[1:01] <rikkib> is better way of saying
[1:01] <chod> three cams on a pi and its doing all the web stuff also ?
[1:01] <chod> nice
[1:01] <rikkib> speed typing
[1:01] <rikkib> three rpi
[1:01] <chod> k
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[1:01] <rikkib> one cam per rpi
[1:02] <[Ex0r]> what software are you using ?
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[1:02] <rikkib> all with 2gb sd read only with only boot part
[1:02] <rikkib> rest comes from normal pc running debian as nfs server
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[1:02] <rikkib> pc also agrigates the cams
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[1:03] <rikkib> all running motion software
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[1:03] <[Ex0r]> looks interesting
[1:03] <[Ex0r]> howd you caption the videos?
[1:03] <rikkib> this is how you run rpi that do not fall over
[1:03] <rikkib> the sytem has been running for over a year
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[1:04] <rikkib> the rpi also have watchdog enabled
[1:04] <rikkib> motion does all the caps
[1:04] <rikkib> http://122.61.65.146/motion
[1:04] <rikkib> http://122.61.65.146/motion1
[1:04] <rikkib> http://122.61.65.146/motion2
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[1:05] <rikkib> Plus I have pir's connected to the rpi's
[1:06] <rikkib> still working on the software side of the pir's
[1:06] <rikkib> as a can afford to add bits to the cam system I will
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[1:13] <rikkib> Xark, Looks interesting... I have sodimm form factor boards here but never had the mother board to put them in... Now defunct.
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[5:30] <[Ex0r]> am i able to designate what each pin does ? (with the exception of 5v and gnd), or are there specific gpio pins to do specific things ?
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[5:56] <b0yz> !help
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[6:38] <raspberrypifan> cna u use a pi to connect a security camera sytsem to it
[6:39] <AlecksG> raspberrypifan, Sure
[6:39] <raspberrypifan> could yll help me get my idea of the gorund plz
[6:39] <raspberrypifan> http://www.ebay.com/itm/1-4-380TVL-24-LED-3-6mm-Lens-IR-Security-Camera-Black-Night-Vision-Waterproof-/310920511079?pt=US_Security_Cameras&hash=item48644e7e67
[6:39] <raspberrypifan> id like to connect 3 of those somehow
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[7:04] <AlecksG> raspberrypifan, How much experience do you have with linux?
[7:04] <raspberrypifan> enough for most things why?
[7:06] <AlecksG> raspberrypifan, need to know how much help you need :P
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[7:06] <AlecksG> raspberrypifan, does that camera have linux support?
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[7:07] <AlecksG> Also, what do you want to do with this? You say you want to "connect" them. Connecting them should be as simple as plugging them in.
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[7:07] <AlecksG> Though I imagine you want to do more than that ;)
[7:08] <raspberrypifan> well those cameras are BNC
[7:08] <raspberrypifan> and it seems BNC wont go into the pit easily
[7:08] <raspberrypifan> pi
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[7:12] <AlecksG> raspberrypifan, so you would need a BNC to usb converter
[7:12] <raspberrypifan> im thinking its expensive
[7:12] <raspberrypifan> lol
[7:12] <AlecksG> http://www.ebay.com/itm/Composite-BNC-S-Video-Audio-To-USB-Converter-/230523534508
[7:13] <AlecksG> that's only the first I ran into
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[7:13] <AlecksG> You may want to first determine if the pi is capable of handling the video stream, let alone 3
[7:13] <raspberrypifan> hm
[7:14] <raspberrypifan> im thinking i hsould just invest a bit more in a cheap wifi camera
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[7:14] <rikkib> http://122.61.65.146 Three security cams running off rpi
[7:15] <rikkib> and a gateway server
[7:15] <raspberrypifan> what camers are r u suinsg
[7:15] <raspberrypifan> using
[7:15] <rikkib> to aggregate the three cams
[7:15] <AlecksG> rikkib, did you have to reduce the input quality?
[7:16] <rikkib> three different cams one web cam via usb one no ir rpi cam module and one normal rpi cam module
[7:16] <rikkib> 320 x 240
[7:17] <raspberrypifan> hmm how muhc are the pi cams
[7:17] <rikkib> motion soiftware on all cams and the gateway
[7:17] <AlecksG> rikkib, what refresh rate are those running?
[7:17] <rikkib> $6 NZD
[7:17] <rikkib> $46 nzd
[7:17] <raspberrypifan> ohh
[7:17] <rikkib> 1 fps
[7:18] <raspberrypifan> how many USD is that
[7:18] <AlecksG> yeah, 1 frame per second is totally doable
[7:18] <rikkib> $60 usd about
[7:18] <raspberrypifan> lord thats crazy
[7:18] <raspberrypifan> i can get a cheap wifi camera for 28
[7:18] <raspberrypifan> with IR
[7:19] <raspberrypifan> and moving
[7:19] <rikkib> you can do more I think but does not add much with faster frame rate
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[7:19] <rikkib> the issue is adsl out bandwidth
[7:19] <AlecksG> You'd probably be limited to something like 10 fps with several streams
[7:19] <rikkib> here in NZ
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[7:19] <raspberrypifan> the pi was good but everyting that came along
[7:19] <AlecksG> well, if it's only 320x240...
[7:19] <raspberrypifan> has been so expenisve
[7:20] <rikkib> There is not real money gain by doing it with rpi
[7:20] <rikkib> net cams are so cheap from China
[7:20] <raspberrypifan> well i have a pi that i have no use for
[7:20] <raspberrypifan> so i figured id try and get it to work cameras
[7:20] <raspberrypifan> which i need to ste up in my "country" house
[7:21] <raspberrypifan> cause bad awful burglars
[7:21] <rikkib> RPi cannon
[7:22] <raspberrypifan> ?
[7:22] <rikkib> Shoot the burglars
[7:22] <raspberrypifan> oh lol
[7:22] <raspberrypifan> i dont like guns
[7:22] <raspberrypifan> i can have someone else do it tho
[7:22] <rikkib> Then they are no a problem
[7:22] <raspberrypifan> if we had police where im going
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[10:53] <raynerd> shiftplusone - you about?
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[10:54] <raynerd> Anyone know how to refresh the NTP server - I`ve put in the ip but the time and date isn`t updating!!
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[10:59] <winlu> raynerd: you can run ntpd -q to just do one sync and then quit to quickly test if your config is right
[11:01] <raynerd> I`m just rebooting.
[11:01] <raynerd> I`ve put the school NTP server in and it just doesn`t seem to pick up the correct time and date!!
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[11:04] <raynerd> winlu - Nothing is even opening with the command ntpd
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[11:09] <winlu> raynerd: what is the output if you enter it in a console
[11:09] <raynerd> console ?? (sorry... stick with me!)
[11:09] <raynerd> I`m in LXterminal
[11:10] <winlu> yeah so what does ntpd print if you enter it in lxterminal
[11:10] <rikkib> /etc/init.d/ntp restart
[11:10] <rikkib> watch syslog
[11:10] <Coffe> then grep -i ntp /var/log/syslog
[11:10] <rikkib> tail -f /var/log/syslog
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[11:10] <raynerd> rikkib - yes, I googled that and tried it but it never updated
[11:10] <raynerd> OK
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[11:12] <rikkib> ntpd is a silent daemon
[11:12] <rikkib> it logs to syslog
[11:12] <raynerd> ahhh! ntpd restrict: error in address "::" on line 41 ignoring....
[11:12] <raynerd> line 17 syntax error...
[11:13] <raynerd> syntax error in /etc/ntp.conf line 17 column 1
[11:14] <raynerd> line 17 is 172.29.16.1 the ip of my NTP of the school
[11:15] <raynerd> I`ve now added server 172.29.16.1
[11:16] <raynerd> syntax error gone but still no update (I had the same server 172.29.16.1 below anyway)
[11:16] <raynerd> any more thoughts?
[11:17] <winlu> yeah, check the log again
[11:17] <raynerd> I`m watchign the log
[11:18] <raynerd> doing the tail command rikkib showed
[11:18] <rikkib> restart it again after editing
[11:19] <raynerd> have done...
[11:19] <rikkib> hmmm
[11:19] <winlu> so it does not show any more error messages?
[11:19] <raynerd> http://pastie.org/9119135
[11:20] <rikkib> you can ping 172.29.16.1?
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[11:22] <raynerd> Sorry, I lost connection. Last message I got was... you can ping the address..... Yes I can
[11:22] <raynerd> And nothing has changed on the syslog since I pasted it
[11:24] <raynerd> Yes, just tried pinging again... it connects fine
[11:24] <rikkib> time has not changed
[11:25] <rikkib> synced
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[11:26] <rikkib> man ntpdate
[11:26] <raynerd> No
[11:26] <raynerd> No change
[11:26] <rikkib> use the client to test the server
[11:26] <raynerd> >
[11:26] <raynerd> How do you mean?
[11:26] <rikkib> ntpdate is the command
[11:27] <raynerd> http://pastie.org/9119155
[11:27] <rikkib> man ntpdate to find out how to use it
[11:27] <raynerd> OK - I`ll try now. That is my ntp.conf file...I presume it is OK
[11:28] <raynerd> "no manual entry for ntpdate"
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[11:30] <raynerd> This is really driving me nuts. The weather station software won`t run if I don`t get the correct time!
[11:30] <rikkib> apt-get install ntpdate
[11:31] <rikkib> There are more than one way to skin a cat
[11:31] <rikkib> make a root cron job and run ntpdate
[11:31] <rikkib> crontab -e as root
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[11:32] <raynerd> what is ntpdate - is this different?
[11:32] <raynerd> I`m installing now
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[11:33] <rikkib> ntp client app
[11:33] <raynerd> ahh OK
[11:33] <rikkib> it can connect to a ntp server and set time
[11:33] <raynerd> What have i been trying to usE?
[11:33] <raynerd> ntpd
[11:33] <rikkib> yes the daemon
[11:34] <raynerd> OK
[11:34] <rikkib> that is what the d stands for
[11:34] <raynerd> ok
[11:35] <rikkib> when installed as root type ntpdate 172.29.16.1
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[11:36] <rikkib> or sudo what ever you wish
[11:36] <rikkib> remove ntp package
[11:36] <raynerd> NTP socket is in use
[11:37] <rikkib> and run in cron every hour or two
[11:37] <rikkib> /etc/init.d/ntp stop
[11:37] <raynerd> how do I remove the current NTP package - I presume that is why it won`t run
[11:37] <raynerd> ok
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[11:37] <rikkib> then run ntpdate
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[11:38] <rikkib> apt-get remove ntp I think
[11:38] <rikkib> or ntpd
[11:38] <rikkib> call remember exactly
[11:38] <rikkib> can't
[11:38] <raynerd> hummm!
[11:39] <raynerd> OK, so he line under says: 28th Aprint 10:36 ntpdate !! Hurray... but the system clock in the bottom right is still showing wrong!
[11:39] <raynerd> NOPE!
[11:39] <raynerd> updated!
[11:39] <raynerd> Nice on!
[11:39] <raynerd> one
[11:39] <rikkib> as root crontab -e
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[11:40] <raynerd> ok,. I`ve opened crontab as root
[11:40] <rikkib> the date time format is pretty easy to work out as the are notes in the file
[11:41] <raynerd> 0 * * * * ntpdate 172.29.16.1
[11:41] <rikkib> make sure you ref ntpdate directly the command which ntpdate tells you the path
[11:42] <raynerd> ahh
[11:42] <rikkib> /usr/sbin/ntpdate
[11:42] <rikkib> /usr/sbin/ntpdate 172 etc
[11:42] <raynerd> the 1 * * * * correct?
[11:43] <rikkib> Hang on a mo I will check
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[11:43] <raynerd> and would you also add @reboot
[11:44] <Coffe> the deamon should default start on boot.. so only if one removed it one have to manualy add it back again
[11:45] <rikkib> 0 * * * * will every hour
[11:45] <Coffe> update-rd.d ntpd defaults should start it
[11:46] <raynerd> Do I not want to stop it at boot so that NTPdate can run
[11:46] <rikkib> disable ntpd by removing it
[11:46] <Coffe> if you are going to change to use ntpdate yes. but why make own solution when ntpd could fix it for you ?
[11:47] <rikkib> the removal process will sort out the workings and leave you config intact
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[11:47] <raynerd> Hi Coffe - I just spent the hour with rikkib trying to get ntpd to update.. but ntpdate seemsto have done the trick!
[11:47] <raynerd> I`m just trying to remove ntp now...
[11:47] <rikkib> apt-get install ntp will reinstall it and pick up the old config
[11:48] <Coffe> then update-rd.d ntpd remove
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[11:48] <rikkib> but you do not need to run ntpd at all
[11:48] <raynerd> yes, sure
[11:48] <raynerd> so... I`m just about to sudo apt-get remove ntp
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[11:48] <raynerd> then I`ve got ntpdate running in cron.... correct?
[11:49] <rikkib> you can also shove the ntpdate command in /etc/rc.local to set time at boot
[11:49] <rikkib> yep
[11:49] <rikkib> that way you cover all bases
[11:49] <raynerd> I`ll do that now... may I ask one last question about rc.local
[11:49] <rikkib> sure
[11:50] <rikkib> stick to the same rule about absolute paths
[11:50] <Coffe> <--- should be quite.. brain failure :P
[11:50] <rikkib> np
[11:51] <rikkib> irc can be fun that way
[11:51] <rikkib> wish I had not said that... now I feel dumb sort of think
[11:51] <raynerd> in rc.local I have /home/pi/PIGPIO/pigpiod and this seems to run the deamon pigpiod however, I also have a libne, python /home/AirPi/airpi.py & yet this line doesn`t run!
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[11:52] <rikkib> hmmmm
[11:52] <raynerd> I`ve also got a line now which say /usr/bin/ntpdate 172.29.16.1
[11:52] <raynerd> :-D
[11:53] <rikkib> sounds like the daemon is not letting go of std in/out/err
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[11:53] <rikkib> hence the other command never runs
[11:53] <raynerd> I could run it in cron... but I wanted to run at boot.
[11:53] <rikkib> use & after the first command like the py script
[11:53] <raynerd> OK
[11:53] <Coffe> raynerd: what is the goal of the project ?
[11:53] <rikkib> force it into background
[11:54] <Coffe> use the force luke :P
[11:54] <rikkib> and check you daemon code
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[11:54] <rikkib> daemons have to fork then dump std in/out etc
[11:54] <raynerd> Bearing in mind I`m not very good with this... I just presume pigpiod is being started at startup as when I manually start airpi.py it doesn`t ask me to turn it on and it normally does
[11:55] <Coffe> i dont know what airpy is .
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[11:55] <raynerd> sorry... its just a GPIO plugin weather station for school
[11:55] <raynerd> I teach... its a little project we`ve been doing
[11:55] <rikkib> who wrote the daemon?
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[11:56] <raynerd> pigpio is quite a popular gpio plugin... I`ve used it before at boot and it has worked!
[11:56] <Coffe> http://airpi.freeforums.net/thread/77
[11:57] <rikkib> hmmm waybe my guess is wrong
[11:57] <Coffe> http://bvairpi.ca/wiki/index.php?title=Configuring_the_Airpi_to_log_on_boot
[11:57] <Coffe> there is a propper init sxcript
[11:57] <Coffe> script
[11:58] <raynerd> Hummm... we had this running just fine last month before the pi crashed!
[11:58] <raynerd> all booting from rc.local
[11:59] <rikkib> not good running deamons from rc.local
[11:59] <rikkib> meant to use the init ys
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[11:59] <rikkib> like all other daemons
[11:59] <rikkib> with an init script
[12:00] <raynerd> damn... it isn`t starting
[12:00] <rikkib> otherwise it is harder to start and stop etc
[12:00] <raynerd> hum. ok :-(
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[12:00] <rikkib> and you end up using killall
[12:00] <raynerd> the original airpi does not use this pigpiod deamon
[12:00] <raynerd> this is something we have used and modified
[12:01] <raynerd> It was running fine from rc.local but it isn`t booting now - must be doing something wrong
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[12:01] <raynerd> I won`t know where to start with an init
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[12:02] <rikkib> /etc/init.d/skeleton
[12:02] <rikkib> read that file and use it to roll your own init script
[12:02] <Coffe> http://bvairpi.ca/wiki/index.php?title=Configuring_the_Airpi_to_log_on_boot <--- here is one for this,
[12:03] <raynerd> why does airpi.py need to run as a deamon??
[12:03] <raynerd> It just needs to run at boot... the pi will not be used for anything else
[12:03] <Coffe> it is one
[12:03] <raynerd> to be honest, it wa all working for months just fine running from rc.local
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[12:04] <Coffe> ray it might work.. but its better to do it porpper right ?
[12:04] <raynerd> OK.. i`m ignoring advice, sorry. It`s just frustrating. It was working and i`ve only got 30 mins before I teach again
[12:04] <raynerd> I know... just don`t have time and then it`ll be another week. Thought I`d get it outside today!
[12:04] <Coffe> now you are learning .. thats never a waste
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[12:05] <Coffe> how is the weather outside ? :P
[12:05] <raynerd> nice
[12:05] <Coffe> try to change starting order ..
[12:05] <rikkib> Temperature 20.2 C Pressure 1007 hPa AM2302 Temp: 19.5, RH: 56.4% Dew Point: 11.5
[12:05] <Coffe> but if you strt them up manualy it will work untill next reboot.
[12:05] <raynerd> Yes
[12:05] <rikkib> Sending 2815168803...ok...Response 2815168803, rtt: 109 Chip Temp = 24.5 C VDD = 3.22 Band Gap = 0x17D Light = 86 Temp = 20.0 C (X = 18 Z = 143 Y = -141) Bearing = 187.3 Deg LVD = 0
[12:05] <raynerd> working great manually!
[12:06] <raynerd> including tweet and everything
[12:06] <rikkib> hahaha
[12:06] <raynerd> I just need to to start the pigpiod and airpi.py
[12:06] <Coffe> i like to stop working go out drive my bike
[12:08] <raynerd> everything run from rc.local is as root right... so no sudo needed
[12:08] <raynerd> and all lines should be written before the final exit 0
[12:08] <rikkib> I have my wind vane running.... sort of on the bench
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[12:09] <raynerd> is /home/pi the full path ?
[12:09] <rikkib> Getting ready to make a first proof of concept
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[12:10] <rikkib> http://www.zlham.geek.nz/images/news/wind-vane-cct.jpg
[12:10] <rikkib> Devel hardware http://www.zlham.geek.nz/images/news/rpi-mc9s08-2.jpg
[12:10] <raynerd> looks good
[12:11] <raynerd> is /home/pi/PIGPIO/pigpiod the full path
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[12:11] <rikkib> It is talking back to the rpi and has two modes
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[12:13] <rikkib> low power mode where it goes into stop3 mode and real low power where it stops the micro until the nRF24 resets the micro and then off it goes again
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[12:15] <rikkib> yes that is a full path
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[12:17] <raynerd> I think I`m going to cry
[12:17] <raynerd> I give u
[12:17] <raynerd> up
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[12:18] <raynerd> Nothing seems to be running from rc.local and ti worked fine before!!!
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[12:28] <raynerd> Is there a boot log to show why this isn`t starting in rc.local ???
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[12:30] * rikkib is going to bed...
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[12:42] <raynerd> I know whats happening!!
[12:42] <raynerd> its running too early and I put a sleep in the rc.local file
[12:42] <raynerd> I just can`t remember how!
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[12:47] <raynerd> godronDragon, you abut?
[12:47] <raynerd> about
[12:48] <ShorTie> delay (x) maybe, x being the amount of time you want
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[13:34] <kevinprince> anyone got any ideas why arduino serial output to a Pi is being different to my mac, same code on both. Im getting my initial debug messages in setup but non of the loop ones.
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[13:53] <Bhaal> Anyone know if "joan" from the rpi forums is in here?
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[13:55] <raynerd> Hi guys... anyone about to lend some more assistance using rc.local
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[13:56] <gordonDrogon> raynerd, what sort of assistance?
[13:58] <ShiftPlusOne2> 'morning
[13:58] <takkie> hello
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[14:05] <raynerd> sorry!! I`m in school, had to sort something
[14:05] <raynerd> back
[14:05] <raynerd> gordonDrogon - just the man!!!!!
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[14:05] <raynerd> Many weeks ago, you showed me how to start my airpi.py and pigpiod at boot in rc.local!
[14:06] <raynerd> I`ve added : /home/pi/PIGPIO/pigpiod and python /home/pi/AirPi/airpi.py & to rc.local but airpi does not booit
[14:06] <raynerd> boot
[14:07] <raynerd> pigpiod seems to start
[14:07] <gordonDrogon> maybe you need to full path to python? /usr/bin/python ...
[14:07] <raynerd> I think maybe we put a sleep in it to slow it down a little
[14:07] <gordonDrogon> I've no idea how pigpiod works though - I only know wiringPi
[14:08] <raynerd> I think that boots up OK though!
[14:09] <raynerd> it is airpi.py that doesn`t seem to boot
[14:09] <gordonDrogon> sure - so add in /usr/bin/python rather than just python
[14:09] <raynerd> when you helped me months ago, I`m sure you put some sort of sleep in the rc.local to wait
[14:09] <raynerd> OK.. let me try that now.
[14:09] <gordonDrogon> I don't recall.
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[14:10] <raynerd> literally a line that says: /usr/bin/python /home/pi/AirPi/airpi.py
[14:10] <gordonDrogon> yes.
[14:10] <raynerd> with a & at the end
[14:10] <gordonDrogon> although what I'd do before that is type: which python
[14:10] <gordonDrogon> just to make sure you get the right one.
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[14:10] <raynerd> shiftplusone !! YES !!!
[14:11] <raynerd> I`ve installed everything AND AND AND put the weather station on the roof!
[14:11] <raynerd> I just can`t get it to boot at startup... i can only manually start it
[14:11] <ShiftPlusOne2> nice
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[14:12] <raynerd> I know for sure I just wrote python last time and no direct route but I`ll give it a go
[14:12] <ShiftPlusOne2> I'd put debug messages in rc.local and log everything to a file to see where it fails.
[14:12] <raynerd> :-S
[14:13] <Bhaal> Anyone here got working DHT22 modules
[14:13] <Bhaal> ?
[14:13] <Bhaal> I am having a problem where getting a reading is intermittent...
[14:14] <gordonDrogon> Bhaal, me. well one.
[14:15] <Bhaal> I've got the latest adafruit stuff and the latest bcm2835 driver
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[14:15] <gordonDrogon> oh that. well good luck there then. there is a wiringPi driver for them if you care. however...
[14:15] <Bhaal> gordonDrogon: Oh, I care, :)
[14:16] <gordonDrogon> Bhaal, sure. good luck.
[14:16] <gordonDrogon> the last time I looked, the adafruit one was basically broken - it worked, but for the wrong reasons.
[14:16] <Bhaal> gordonDrogon: Does it work much better? And url please?
[14:16] <gordonDrogon> mine works - it's not 100% - it can never be due to the timing constraints.
[14:17] <gordonDrogon> do you use wiringPi?
[14:17] <raynerd> when in the boot sequence does rc.local run?
[14:17] <Bhaal> uh, no... Is that hardware?
[14:17] <gordonDrogon> raynerd, last.
[14:17] <gordonDrogon> Bhaal, it's a Pi GPIO driver written in C.
[14:17] <raynerd> No... it still isn`t running!
[14:17] <gordonDrogon> raynerd, put a bunch of echo commands in rc.local to see if you can work out where/why.
[14:17] <raynerd> will there be any log to show why rc.local has failed or at least see if it tried to run?
[14:17] <Bhaal> gordonDrogon: Ohhh, its your driver? :)
[14:18] <gordonDrogon> raynerd, no.
[14:18] <raynerd> echo commands?
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[14:18] <gordonDrogon> Bhaal, wiringPi is - the 'bcm2835" one is someone elses.
[14:18] <gordonDrogon> raynerd, yes- echo - as in "echo got to here" and so on.
[14:18] <gordonDrogon> echo $?
[14:18] <gordonDrogon> to get the result of the last command. this is fundamentally basic stuff here.
[14:18] <Bhaal> gordonDrogon: Do I have to strip the bcm2835 driver out first?
[14:18] <raynerd> no.. I don`t sorry
[14:18] <ShiftPlusOne2> echo "Starting something..." >> /home/raynerd/rclocal.log
[14:18] <gordonDrogon> then you run rc.local manually, then reboot it.
[14:19] <raynerd> I must have missed it
[14:19] <gordonDrogon> Bhaal, yes.
[14:19] <ShiftPlusOne2> also note that when rc.local runs, you don't have all of your environment variables set yet, so it may cause some programs to fail.
[14:19] <Bhaal> Hmm ok will hunt it all down...
[14:19] <raynerd> shiftplusone2 - literally that line.
[14:19] <gordonDrogon> Bhaal, http://wiringpi.com/
[14:19] <raynerd> The issue I have is that this process has worked before fine
[14:20] <Bhaal> gordonDrogon: Yep, cloning now
[14:20] <ShiftPlusOne2> raynerd, what is this pigpiod thing... what's it running for?
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[14:20] <raynerd> it is interacts with the GPIO so that the wind anomometer that we coded runs
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[14:21] <raynerd> It is the booting up of airpi.py that doesn`t seem to be loading.
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[14:22] <ShiftPlusOne2> how come there's no & at the end of the piogpiod line then?
[14:22] <raynerd> Normally, I have to start pigpiod and then airpi.py but with the current rc.local setup, I can manually boot airpi.py suggesting pigpio is runnign
[14:22] <raynerd> Sorry..there is.
[14:22] <gordonDrogon> ShiftPlusOne2, piogpiod <--- d = daemon = self backgrounding
[14:22] <ShiftPlusOne2> does airpy.py RELY on pigipod ?
[14:23] <[Ex0r]> do the gpio pins output at 3.3v ?
[14:23] <[Ex0r]> or 5v/
[14:23] <raynerd> YES
[14:23] <[Ex0r]> ?*
[14:23] <ShiftPlusOne2> gordonDrogon, fair enough
[14:23] <gordonDrogon> [Ex0r], 3.3v
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[14:23] <raynerd> airpi does totally or it won`t run.
[14:23] <gordonDrogon> ShiftPlusOne2, at least, that's the theory...
[14:23] <raynerd> I think when gordonDrogon did it last, he tied the two lines together!! thinkiing about it...
[14:23] <[Ex0r]> alright, cool. so when I get a resistor for an LED I just need to get one for 3.3v input
[14:23] <ShiftPlusOne2> raynerd, so is it possible that pigpiod hasn't done whatever it is it does when airpy launches?
[14:24] <ShiftPlusOne2> since you have them one after the other, they both run at the same time
[14:24] <gordonDrogon> raynerd, I'd probably never tie 2 lines together in a bash script.
[14:24] <gordonDrogon> that's not my style...
[14:24] <raynerd> hum.
[14:24] <gordonDrogon> maybe you do need a sleep 1 after starting pig poid ..
[14:25] <raynerd> I`m sure it looked something like /home/pi/PIGPIO/pigpiod && /home/pi/AirPi/airpi.py &
[14:25] <Bhaal> gordonDrogon: Ok, its installed, now is there anything pre-written for the DHT22?
[14:25] <raynerd> does that even make sense?
[14:25] <gordonDrogon> Bhaal, look in examples
[14:26] <gordonDrogon> Bhaal, look for rht03.c - that's more or less the same sensor. you'll need to change the pin numbers to suit.
[14:26] <ShiftPlusOne2> I think this all depends on pigpiod's behaviour. Does it self-background? If so, does it do so AFTER it has done the basic init stuff it needs to or does it just run in the background straight away?
[14:26] <raynerd> I`m just working from memory and just staring at them now, I`m sure they were all on the same line
[14:26] <[Ex0r]> damn, wtf. Its gonna be hard to find an LED that powers off 3.3v, all the ones im looking at seem to require 5v
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[14:26] <gordonDrogon> [Ex0r], family friendly channel. abreviations not allowed.
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[14:27] <raynerd> ShiftPlusOne2 - only reason I think it is running, is because I don`t need to start it.
[14:27] <Bhaal> gordonDrogon: pin number as in GPIO pin the DHT22 is connected to?
[14:27] <gordonDrogon> [Ex0r], most LEDs are 1.8 to 2.2v there is no problems powering them from the Pi.
[14:27] <gordonDrogon> Bhaal, yes.
[14:27] <ShiftPlusOne2> raynerd, I'll look it up
[14:28] <[Ex0r]> gordonDrogon- I was using a calculator online to find out what size resistor I needed with 3.3v source, and the specs im putting in according to the data sheet say that it requires a bigger input source
[14:28] <Bhaal> gordonDrogon: hehe, done, compiled, executed, its staring at me, not returning anything :)
[14:28] <gordonDrogon> [Ex0r], what LED are you using? the current limit on the pi is 15mA.
[14:28] <raynerd> like I say, normally I cd PIGPIO then pigpiod before airpi.py will boot. But with the current rc.local I can just run airpi which indicates it has started up
[14:28] <[Ex0r]> well that explains a lot, the ones im looking at are super bright 100mA
[14:28] <gordonDrogon> Bhaal, did you change the pin, or connect it to the right one? the example uses wiringPi pin 0 by default which is bcm_gpio pin 17.
[14:29] <gordonDrogon> [Ex0r], use a driver... e.g. 2n2222
[14:29] <gordonDrogon> and run them off 5v.
[14:29] <Bhaal> Ohhhh, wiringpi pin .. ok..
[14:29] <ShiftPlusOne2> ah, pigpiod doesn't seem to be on github and I am too lazy to download a zip file to look at their source code.
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[14:29] <gordonDrogon> ShiftPlusOne2, there is no source code
[14:29] <[Ex0r]> gordonDrogon- I am powering them from the gpios
[14:29] <gordonDrogon> (well there never used to be)
[14:29] <raynerd> :-(
[14:29] <Bhaal> gordonDrogon: diagram to show which corresponds with which?
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[14:29] <ShiftPlusOne2> gordonDrogon, eh? http://abyz.co.uk/rpi/pigpio/pigpio.zip
[14:30] <gordonDrogon> [Ex0r], you only get 15mA off the GPIO pins.
[14:30] <gordonDrogon> Bhaal, http://wiringpi.com/pins/
[14:30] <Bhaal> gordonDrogon: Hit me next time :)
[14:30] <[Ex0r]> gordonDrogon- I know, now I need to find LEDs that provide 15mA. Radioshack and HobbyLobby both only care 100mA
[14:30] <gordonDrogon> ShiftPlusOne2, ah, intersting. she never gave out the source originally.
[14:31] <gordonDrogon> [Ex0r], oh - any small 5mm or 3mm LED usually.
[14:31] <raynerd> Well I`m gutted.
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[14:31] <gordonDrogon> [Ex0r], http://unicorn.drogon.net/pi17leds.jpg
[14:31] <ShiftPlusOne2> raynerd, why?
[14:31] <raynerd> It worked fine last time and I never had any hastle getting it to start from boot!
[14:32] <raynerd> Caretake has spent hours sticking up the weather station case!
[14:32] <Bhaal> gordonDrogon: You're full of awesome!
[14:33] <[Ex0r]> gordonDrogon- http://www.radioshack.com/product/index.jsp?productId=2102850 Would that one work ?
[14:33] <ShiftPlusOne2> gordonDrogon, I am not too familiar with fork(). I don't quite understand the source file. By my reading, it forks off straight away, so things might not be initialized when he runs airpy.py, but I am not sure.
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[14:33] <[Ex0r]> hmm wow, i thought the pi could only power 2 leds at once
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[14:33] <Bhaal> gordonDrogon: Ok, perhaps not 'full' ... half full? :) It gave me 4 readings then stopped, ctrl-c'd and restarted, nothing...
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[14:34] <ShiftPlusOne2> raynerd, so what happens when you put a sleep in there?
[14:34] <raynerd> nothing
[14:34] <raynerd> I just did sleep 1 on a different line and nothing
[14:34] <Bhaal> gordonDrogon: Oh wait, there it is.... I'm guessing there is some kind of wait going on? sync?
[14:34] <raynerd> also tried sleep 10
[14:35] <gordonDrogon> [Ex0r], probably - stick a 220Ω resistor in series with it and see what happens ... it may be a bit dimmer than it's meant to be, but it should light up.
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[14:35] <ShiftPlusOne2> raynerd, I have no idea why you decided to use pygpiod in the first place. It doesn't seem to offer anything for your use case.
[14:35] <[Ex0r]> okay,it says 30mA max so it should be able to take less than that
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[14:35] <raynerd> I think I need to disable wind speed and see if I can run without GPIO
[14:35] <gordonDrogon> Bhaal, the timing is somewhat challenging for that sensor on the Pi - I actually have some improved code for it, but not pushed it up yet - not enough time to do more testing - sorry.
[14:36] <gordonDrogon> [Ex0r], yes - it'll just be dimmer.
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[14:37] <[Ex0r]> cool
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[14:37] <ShiftPlusOne2> raynerd, can you pastebin your rc.local in the form that 'should' work?
[14:37] <[Ex0r]> i dont want it super bright anyways, and its got a reflector behind it and a piece of clear plastic in front of it to make it light more
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[14:38] <gordonDrogon> [Ex0r], you should be able to buy generic LEds online where you are.
[14:39] <[Ex0r]> gordonDrogon- I can, but it's a project I am trying to do with minimal cost and with as little development time as possible
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[14:39] <[Ex0r]> started on it late so im kind of on a much shorter deadline
[14:40] <raynerd> http://pastie.org/9119686
[14:40] <gordonDrogon> [Ex0r], ok. so you need an LED and a resistor.
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[14:40] <[Ex0r]> yeah, I know that, was just trying to find an LED that would work off of 3.3v, so I could find what type of resistor I neeed
[14:40] <[Ex0r]> need*
[14:41] <Bhaal> gordonDrogon: Ok, I used the DHT22 sensor coz I was able to drive down the road and buy one... What's the better sensor to buy for the RPi?
[14:42] <gordonDrogon> Bhaal, they're OK sensors - work most of the time - cheap and cheerful. the issue is that better sensors (e.g. SHT15) cost 3x more )-:
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[14:42] <ShiftPlusOne2> raynerd, can you try thiss and then pastebin /home/pi/rclocal.log http://pastie.org/9119698
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[14:43] <raynerd> shiftplusone2 - I will be it`ll be an hour. Just walked into class!
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[14:43] <ShiftPlusOne2> tell them to go home, you've got more important matters at hand >.>
[14:43] <Bhaal> gordonDrogon: Hmm, fairymuff ... so basically just have to sit here and wait for it to get a reading... (i put a break in once it does so)
[14:44] <[Ex0r]> gordonDrogon- hmm, you said a 220hm resistor i what I need?
[14:44] <[Ex0r]> is*
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[14:46] <raynerd> ShiftPlusOne2 - lol OK
[14:47] <Bhaal> gordonDrogon: I am finding I can be sitting here waiting quite a while, like 30 seconds before it gets a reading, is that unusual?
[14:49] <gordonDrogon> Bhaal, no. it just means it's mis-read many times.
[14:49] <gordonDrogon> Bhaal, the data sheet says you should only try to read it once every 2 seconds too.
[14:49] <gordonDrogon> [Ex0r], I'm just guessing at 220 ohms - however it's a safe value.
[14:50] <gordonDrogon> [Ex0r], to calculate the right one would need to know the full specification of the LED, but 220 or 330 are safe for most LEDs.
[14:50] <Bhaal> gordonDrogon: Ah, so delay() should be 2000?
[14:50] <gordonDrogon> Bhaal, no - the driver itself does the delay for you.
[14:50] <gordonDrogon> Bhaal, if you read it too fast it just returns the last value.
[14:51] <gordonDrogon> so it doesn't print becaus it's not changed.
[14:51] <Bhaal> So what is the delay in the rht03.c for?
[14:51] <gordonDrogon> seemed like a good idea at the time.
[14:51] <gordonDrogon> brb - call.
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[14:53] <[Ex0r]> ill try 220, but once i get there and get better specs of the individual led it will be easier to find the right one
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[14:56] <Bhaal> gordonDrogon: I've got the DHT22 hanging off about 1.5mtrs of flat 4 core phone cable, this shouldn't be a problem of any kind right?
[14:57] <Bhaal> gordonDrogon: ie: is getting 30secs to 1min worth of mis-reads quite normal?
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[15:12] <Rootza> Anybody know anywhere that sells the raspberrypi using bitcoin?
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[15:12] <[Saint]> Bhaal: hanging such insignificant weight, such as a single DHT22, off standard 4-core tinsel cable should be perfectly fine.
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[15:13] <Rootza> oh adafruit
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[15:14] <IT_Sean> erft... just use actual money :/
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[15:16] <gordonDrogon> Bhaal, the timing is in the oder of 6�S - you should be OK with a cable that long.
[15:17] <gordonDrogon> the sensor returns a checksum to give confidence of the data being ok.
[15:17] <gordonDrogon> when you get a timing issue the checksum is wrong.
[15:18] <gregc2> Does anyone know how to fix repeating keys with a symbol scanner? I have checked voltages, settings. tried fiq updates etc... Nothing seems to fix the repeating keyboard/scanner issues I am having. Any advice would be helpful.
[15:19] <gordonDrogon> gregc2, if it's any help (not really) I see this too )-:
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[15:19] <gregc2> gordonDrogon, do you know of any SBC's that have decent usb subsystems other than the pi? I just want a sbc that works with this stuff.
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[15:21] <gordonDrogon> gregc2, sorry - I'm sticking to Pi for now.
[15:22] <gregc2> no worries
[15:22] <gregc2> good to know im not the only one though
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[15:22] <gordonDrogon> gregc2, people seeing it on my software said it starte when I added sound into the interpreter.
[15:22] <gordonDrogon> I was not convinced myself.
[15:23] <gregc2> To me it sounds like a broadcom driver implementation issue. I dont do much audio, but I do have usb devices. Seems like they all have problems
[15:23] * gregc2 is pondering going with a atom
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[15:34] <Bhaal> gordonDrogon: At longer distances would cat5 be better? I'm just trying to figure out why I am getting so many dodgy checksums, I thought this DHT22 was going to be real cool, there isn't many people speaking of problems... I really only want to probe the thing every 60 secs, but I'd like to know its going to respond quickly
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[15:34] <Bhaal> Like, in at least 10-30secs ... also, because it puts quite a load on the RPi
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[15:39] <Xerxes_> lo
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[15:46] <gordonDrogon> Bhaal, the issue is timing - you send a pulse then wait for a puls back - the time of the pulse back will tell you if it's a '1' or a '0'. If the Pi gets interrupted then the timing will be wring. They can work very well on arduinos where there is nothing to interrupt you. not so well in a Pi.
[15:46] <gordonDrogon> Bhaal, I have some experimental code if you want to try it - it's lighter on the cpu.
[15:46] <Bhaal> Sure
[15:48] <gordonDrogon> Bhaal, cd wiringPi/devLib then rm maxdetect.* ; wget unicorn.drogon.net/maxdetect.c ; wget unicorn.drogon.net/maxdetect.h
[15:49] <gordonDrogon> then make ; sudo make install
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[15:49] <gordonDrogon> then cd ../examples ; rm rht03.c ; wget unicorn.drogon.net/rht03.c ; make rht03 ; sudo ./rht03
[15:49] <[Ex0r]> gordonDrogon- do you watch game of thrones by any chance ?
[15:49] <gordonDrogon> [Ex0r], no
[15:49] <[Ex0r]> oh, ok
[15:50] <[Ex0r]> the second part of your name is similar to a family in the series, so I figured you did.
[15:51] <Bhaal> gordonDrogon: Why did you tell me to make? haha gotta change the pin
[15:51] <gordonDrogon> Drogon? it's an anagram of Gordon.
[15:51] <gordonDrogon> I've been using it in my projects since 1992.
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[15:52] <gordonDrogon> Bhaal, sorry..
[15:52] <Bhaal> gordonDrogon: Its still hogging cpu 99.9% load average 3.56
[15:53] <gordonDrogon> Bhaal, sorry - I've given you the last version not the working one - bear with me.
[15:53] <Bhaal> haha
[15:55] <gordonDrogon> Bhaal, ok - if you re-do those fetches (and change the pin ;-) then it shouldn't hog the cpu.
[15:55] <gordonDrogon> the read probability of success won't be any different though.
[15:56] <gordonDrogon> what I have in my notes is a change to return a "confidence" value too - which is based on the time of the last successful read.
[15:56] <gordonDrogon> however that's way down the to-do list...
[15:57] <gordonDrogon> I'll implement it when I build my bread dough proving cupboard which is the reason I got one of these sensors in the first place...
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[15:58] <Bhaal> gordonDrogon: Actually, it makes it more likely to get a result as its not killing itself trying to get one... so improving timing...
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[15:59] <Bhaal> gordonDrogon: I say this as (in a loop) its getting many more results, the load still goes up, but no where near as high
[16:01] <Bhaal> gordonDrogon: It throws back a result within a couple of seconds now..
[16:01] <Bhaal> Sometimes instantly
[16:01] * gordonDrogon nods.
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[16:02] <gordonDrogon> I know its better but on the Pi it will be really hard to get it right all the time.
[16:02] <gordonDrogon> purely due to the 'economical' nature of the communications interface.
[16:02] <gordonDrogon> really designed to be hooked up to a microcontroller with more precise timing ability than the Pi.
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[16:04] <Bhaal> gordonDrogon: Yeah, totally understandable ... I am using the freetronics module, so its $20AUD ... but I only have to solder the connecting wires, so saves me hassle and I am able to drive to local electronics store and buy one...
[16:05] <Bhaal> If it still proves an issue somehow I might try the freetronics 1-wire module
[16:05] <Bhaal> http://www.freetronics.com/collections/modules/products/temperature-sensor-module#.U15dhnkW1PI
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[16:05] <Bhaal> But annoyingly it only is for temp...
[16:05] <Bhaal> But thats mostly ok for around hte house...
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[16:09] <Bhaal> gordonDrogon: Oh dear.... So, the RPi I have it plugged into right now is my tvheadend for the entire house... Hmmm, I thought I should probably start watching something and see what happens...
[16:09] <Bhaal> gordonDrogon: "what timing?"
[16:09] <Bhaal> *sigh*
[16:09] <Bhaal> hehe
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[16:10] <gordonDrogon> timing for the maxdetect protocol that those sensors use.
[16:10] <lacrymology> can I get help for reseting my password? I've modified /boot/cmdline.txt, added a second line saying init=/bin/bash because I read that'd give me root shell directly so I can set the passwords but I'm still getting the login prompt
[16:10] <gordonDrogon> lacrymology, one line only.
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[16:11] <lacrymology> gordonDrogon: oh, ok, I got it now
[16:11] <gordonDrogon> lacrymology, add it to the end of the one and only line.
[16:11] <lacrymology> thanks
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[16:13] <lacrymology> is it normal that it reboots whenever I plug something in the USB? isn't there hotplugging capability?
[16:13] <Bhaal> gordonDrogon: So, would I be better off with that 1-wire sensor?
[16:13] <gordonDrogon> lacrymology, it's .... not normal, but it often happens.
[16:13] <gordonDrogon> Bhaal, I really don't know - I've not used 1w on the Pi.
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[16:14] <Bhaal> gordonDrogon: Ok... I shall grab one tomorrow and see what my results are like...
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[16:15] <lacrymology> I've got a deb file I want to install, I run 'dpkg -i ./blabla.deb' and I get dpkg: error: PATH is not set
[16:15] <lacrymology> any clues?
[16:15] <lacrymology> I'ah
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[16:15] <lacrymology> I think it was something with boot
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[16:15] <lacrymology> I'm getting root@(none) as prompy
[16:15] <gordonDrogon> are you logged in using the init=/bin/bash way?
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[16:16] <lacrymology> yes, yes
[16:16] <lacrymology> I understood that
[16:16] <gordonDrogon> if so, then you'll not have any path setup.
[16:16] <gordonDrogon> login as normal and use sudo dpkg -i ...
[16:16] <lacrymology> and I also don't seem to have acces to /boot =/
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[16:17] <lacrymology> gordonDrogon: the pi user doesn't exist anymore, apparently
[16:17] <lacrymology> I inherited this pi
[16:17] <gordonDrogon> no - you have a bare bones system.
[16:17] <gordonDrogon> ah.
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[16:17] <gordonDrogon> I'd turn it off, then re-image the S Dcard from scratch - unless there is data on it you need.
[16:17] <gordonDrogon> Get Raspbian off the foundation website and go from there.
[16:17] <lacrymology> gordonDrogon: the /home/pi directory is there, it was removed
[16:18] <Bhaal> gordonDrogon: Your help has been greatly appreciated! Thank you so much for your time!
[16:18] <Bhaal> I need to go to bed now..
[16:18] <lacrymology> I don't have enough internet, and I'd hate to lose some things I've got set up
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[16:18] <lacrymology> later, mayb
[16:18] <lacrymology> probably
[16:18] <gordonDrogon> lacrymology, well - in that case, you need to do some linux command-line "stuff" to get the Pi user re-created.
[16:18] <gordonDrogon> even then you'll not have any of the standard setup files, etc.
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[16:19] <lacrymology> gordonDrogon: I'm a linux user. No sysadmin, but I know my way around
[16:19] <gordonDrogon> If you have the means to download a few 100MB of SD image and copy it to the SD card then that's what I'd do.
[16:19] <gordonDrogon> or at this point: passwd root
[16:20] <lacrymology> that's what I did
[16:20] <gordonDrogon> then enter a new root password, then type sync a few times, wait 10 seconds the power down - put the SD card back into the PC and re-edit cmdline.txt to remove the init= and give it a go.
[16:20] <gordonDrogon> then you might be able to login as root with a full system.
[16:21] <lacrymology> yeah, already there. I also added the pi user back
[16:21] <gordonDrogon> or as full as it was left - sounds a bit off for them to delete the 'pi' user - unless it was some media distro - raspbmc, etc.
[16:21] <lacrymology> gordonDrogon: the owner is a devop, he knows what he does. He removed the pi user and the root password, it was only able to be accessed through ssh
[16:22] <lacrymology> but I lost my eth cable and don't have a wifi card right now
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[16:26] <gordonDrogon> ok
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[16:33] <[Ex0r]> great, leave my pi disconnected for 2 days, now my wifi adapter isnt working
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[16:36] <[Ex0r]> wow... stupid me.. my usb hub got disconnected from the hub itself
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[16:37] <IT_Sean> derp.
[16:38] <[Ex0r]> Generally the USB cable between the hub and the pi doesnt come unplugged, so I didn't think to check it
[16:38] <[Ex0r]> but it must have been during transport it came unplugged
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[16:45] <[Ex0r]> whats the command to set the local timezone ?
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[16:46] <[Ex0r]> lol wow, gpu temp at 129F
[16:46] <[Ex0r]> and cpu at 131
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[16:48] <takkie> [Ex0r]: you can set timezones with "timedatectl set-timezone ..."
[16:48] <gordonDrogon> or sudo raspi-config
[16:48] <[Saint]> [Ex0r]: those temperatures are absolutely nothing
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[16:49] <[Saint]> Completely normal.
[16:49] <gordonDrogon> they mean nothing either. F ?
[16:49] <[Saint]> gordonDrogon: `50C
[16:49] <[Saint]> *~50C, even
[16:49] <gordonDrogon> ah. yes. a cool Pi.
[16:49] * [Saint] had to ask Google Now to do the conversion for him.
[16:50] <[Saint]> Stoopid imperial measure.
[16:50] <gordonDrogon> yea, I've forgotten.
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[16:51] <[Ex0r]> that seemed rather high to me, but i guess not
[16:51] <raynerd> ShiftPlusOne2 - you there still
[16:51] <[Saint]> [Ex0r]: high for a human, sure.
[16:51] <ShiftPlusOne2> I think so
[16:51] <[Saint]> Absolutely nothing for modern electronics
[16:51] <IT_Sean> Stupid metric system.
[16:51] <[Ex0r]> oh, heh, thats good to know
[16:51] <raynerd> http://pastie.org/9119984
[16:52] <[Ex0r]> would a heatsink bring that down any? Not that it matters was just curious
[16:52] <IT_Sean> It's 77F in my office, dammit, not 25c! :p
[16:52] <raynerd> That is the output... wierd!! Why cant it open sensors.cfg
[16:52] <IT_Sean> [Ex0r]: your raspi does not need a headsink
[16:52] <[Saint]> [Ex0r]: for reference, the components can tolerate in excess of 90C
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[16:52] <ShiftPlusOne2> raynerd, what does the source code look like?
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[16:52] <[Saint]> [Ex0r]: there's no need to bring it down any.
[16:52] <ShiftPlusOne2> the part where it opens sensors.cfg
[16:52] <[Saint]> Its perfectly normal operating temperature.
[16:52] <[Ex0r]> I dont plan on it, was just curious if it would
[16:52] <[Ex0r]> and im not sure what 90c is, I use f
[16:53] <[Saint]> The way the SoC is packages, not really, no.
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[16:53] <IT_Sean> A heatsink would do very little.
[16:53] <[Saint]> ~200F
[16:53] <[Ex0r]> oh wow, thats hot
[16:53] <IT_Sean> Ja.
[16:54] <[Saint]> The pi will shut itself down if it gets anywhere near an unsafe operating temperature.
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[16:54] <takkie> i've got a heatsink on my pi and it helps almost nothing
[16:54] <[Saint]> You don't need to worry about this at all.
[16:54] <[Ex0r]> most cpus require a heatsink and fan at that temp
[16:54] <raynerd> ShiftPlusOne2 - here is the file and airpi.py opens it https://github.com/tomhartley/AirPi
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[16:54] <[Saint]> [Ex0r]: I think you're highly mistaken.
[16:54] <[Ex0r]> thats nuts something that small can operate without one
[16:54] <ShiftPlusOne2> raynerd, ah, simple.
[16:54] <[Saint]> Think of the millions of embedded ARM devices out there that don;t include a heat sync.
[16:54] <SirLagz> without what ?
[16:55] <SirLagz> oh heat sinks.
[16:55] <raynerd> ShiftPlusone2 - really???
[16:55] <[Saint]> Not only do they not include a heat sync, they are packaged in a tight plastic shell with no air flow.
[16:55] <SirLagz> this old argument again...
[16:55] <ShiftPlusOne2> raynerd, it's using a relative path, so it can't find it in the 'current' directory.
[16:55] <SirLagz> [Saint]: not to mention a giant heat maker - i.e. the battery
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[16:55] <[Saint]> Exactly.
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[16:55] <[Ex0r]> [Saint]- I'm referring to PC and peripheral CPUs. I don't know of ANY pcs that will operate for more than 2 or 3 seconds without a heatsink, and when they do they run they run at high temps
[16:55] <[Saint]> [Ex0r]: think of your cellphone.
[16:55] <ShiftPlusOne2> a pi is not a pc
[16:55] <[Saint]> Same tech.
[16:56] <SirLagz> [Ex0r]: 486s did.
[16:56] <raynerd> ShiftPlusOne2 - I`m not with you
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[16:56] <SirLagz> [Ex0r]: so did 386s
[16:56] <[Ex0r]> ShiftPlusOne2- Its as close to a PC as you can get without being a PC
[16:56] <[Saint]> [Ex0r]: you're a young man, aren't you? ;)
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[16:56] <[Ex0r]> [Saint]- If you consider 30 young, sure.
[16:56] <ShiftPlusOne2> raynerd, it's trying to open 'sensors.cfg', but can't find it, because it's not in the directory it's looking for it... in.
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[16:56] <[Saint]> Wow...where have you been, then?
[16:56] <takkie> [Ex0r]: yes, 30 is young. I keep telling myself that :)
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[16:57] <SirLagz> haha
[16:57] <[Saint]> Hiding under a tech rock? :)
[16:57] <raynerd> ShiftPlusOne2 - how do I tell it where to look?
[16:57] <IT_Sean> [Ex0r]: your raspberrypi has more in common with a mobile phone or a cable box than a PC.
[16:57] <[Ex0r]> In electronics, and ever since i've owned a pc, it's always had a fan or heatsink on it
[16:57] <[Saint]> Its exactly a mid 00's cellphone.
[16:57] <raynerd> I thought I was giving it the direct path in rc.local /home/pi/AirPi/airpy.py
[16:57] <ShiftPlusOne2> raynerd, one way would be to 'cd' to the directory before running it.
[16:57] <SirLagz> [Ex0r]: so you have only owned PCs newer than pentium 2s pretty much.
[16:57] <ShiftPlusOne2> raynerd, yes, but that doesn't change the current working directory.
[16:58] <[Ex0r]> No, I owned a pentium 2, and it was a slotted p2 that had a heatsink built into it and vented out of the back via a fan
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[16:58] <raynerd> where am I setting the current working dir
[16:58] <SirLagz> [Ex0r]: I meant pentium 2s and newer
[16:58] <[Ex0r]> oh, yeah
[16:58] <ShiftPlusOne2> raynerd, either in airpi.py or rc.local
[16:58] <raynerd> my rc.local looks like this: /home/pi/PIGPIO/pigpiod and then python /home/pi/AirPi/airpi.py
[16:59] <IT_Sean> Not only does the raspi not need a heatsink, adding one will do very little, as the actual CPU is buried under the RAM.
[16:59] <ShiftPlusOne2> raynerd, let me skim through the rest of the source code so that I am sure it doesn't mess around with the working directory.
[16:59] <raynerd> so home/pi/PIGPIO/pigpiod cd /home/pi/AirPi python airpi.py
[16:59] <SirLagz> I seem to recall one of the Pi Devs saying that Heat Sink will actually decrease the performance of the Pi...don't quote me on that though.
[16:59] <[Saint]> Actually, unless you're quite careful, adding a heat sync will retain heat.
[16:59] <ShiftPlusOne2> raynerd, yeah, give that a go. (pastebin it before you reboot).
[16:59] <[Saint]> SirLagz: it can, yes.
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[17:00] <SirLagz> hence why it's better to run the Pi 'naked' as it is, than with a Heat sink.
[17:00] <ShiftPlusOne2> how the hell would it decrease performance?
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[17:00] <causality> ShiftPlusOne2: it can't..
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[17:00] <causality> unless you have poor therman conductivity
[17:01] <[Saint]> TL;DR, ~200f/90C is perfectly tolerable by most electronics, they couldn;t care less - no, you don;t need a heat sync.
[17:01] <causality> thermal..
[17:01] <takkie> wether it works or not, this looks cool: http://hackaday.com/2013/07/20/water-cooled-raspberry-pi/
[17:01] <raynerd> doesn`t python /home/pi/AirPi/airpi.py do the same thing?
[17:01] <[Saint]> The pi will shut itself down well before that anyway...so, yeah.
[17:01] <ShiftPlusOne2> raynerd, no.
[17:01] <[Saint]> Its not even worth thinking about.
[17:01] <SirLagz> ShiftPlusOne2: increase the heat that is sitting on the RAM chips itself ? I don't remember sorry. I'll have a dig through the forums sometime to see if I can find the quote.
[17:01] <ShiftPlusOne2> raynerd, that runs the command, while the shell still stays where it is.
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[17:02] <[Saint]> ANY reasonably modern device will have thermal protection for the SoC.
[17:02] <raynerd> shell/
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[17:02] <ShiftPlusOne2> SirLagz, ah, don't worry about it.
[17:03] <raynerd> should I CD to pigpiod as well
[17:03] <raynerd> cd
[17:03] <SirLagz> ShiftPlusOne2: you're on the East Coast of Aus, right ?
[17:03] <ShiftPlusOne2> SirLagz, last time I checked, yes.
[17:03] * [Saint] shakes a fist
[17:03] <[Saint]> ('tis my duty)
[17:03] <ShiftPlusOne2> raynerd, nuh, can I PM you. It's a tad noisy here.
[17:04] <SirLagz> ShiftPlusOne2: I have a whole bunch of Analog TV tuners...and We don't have analog TV anymore lol. Any ideas on what I can use them for nowadays ?
[17:04] <raynerd> sure
[17:04] <SirLagz> lol [Saint]
[17:04] <raynerd> ShiftPlusOne2 that would be great..
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[17:04] <[Saint]> Does AU still have analogue TV?
[17:04] <[Saint]> ...cute.
[17:04] <IT_Sean> They make good paperweights
[17:04] <SirLagz> [Saint]: we're in the process of decommissioning it all
[17:04] <[Saint]> Ah.
[17:05] <SirLagz> [Saint]: most states don't have it anymore
[17:05] <[Saint]> What *happened*?
[17:05] <[Saint]> To AU, I mean.
[17:05] <ShiftPlusOne2> SirLagz, eh? Are people on the east coast meant to be experts on recycling analog tv tuners? D=
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[17:05] <ShiftPlusOne2> [Saint], actually it was turned off a while back.
[17:05] <SirLagz> ShiftPlusOne2: haha nope, just wondering if you had any ideas in case you had one or two lying about :P
[17:05] <[Saint]> ShiftPlusOne2: aha.
[17:05] <SirLagz> [Saint]: nope, all states are off digital. I was wrong
[17:06] <[Saint]> Well, that makes me feel slightly better.
[17:06] <ShiftPlusOne2> SirLagz, heh, nuh, I stopped doing the whole tv thing ages ago.
[17:06] <[Saint]> Just lagging on Internet.
[17:06] <SirLagz> [Saint]: you know what *happened* to AU ? Politics P
[17:06] <SirLagz> :P
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[17:06] <[Saint]> They messed up fiber for you guys so bad.
[17:06] <SirLagz> i know :(
[17:07] <[Saint]> VDSL/2? Nah...fiber will save the day!
[17:07] <[Saint]> <cricket chirping ensues>
[17:07] <SirLagz> Right now, I don't care what they do, as long as they get it done quick
[17:07] <[Saint]> It makes no sense to rollout for VDSL/2 now, sadly.
[17:07] <SirLagz> VDSL or FTTP. Whatever. Just get your act together and get it done.
[17:07] <[Saint]> ~10 years ago...definitely.
[17:08] <[Saint]> Not now though.
[17:08] <[Saint]> You're pretty much committed to fiber.
[17:08] <SirLagz> [Saint]: the fact that it makes no sense to do it, means that that's what policitians will probably do :P
[17:08] <[Saint]> :)
[17:08] <SirLagz> they spent 10 years arguing about how to do it
[17:09] <SirLagz> I don't see much changing anytime soon
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[17:28] <[Ex0r]> i wonder if theres enough juice coking out of gpio to detonate fireworks
[17:28] <[Ex0r]> coming*
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[17:33] <beaky> hello
[17:33] <beaky> how do i output a 400Hz square wave
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[17:40] <raynerd> ShiftPlusone2 - it worked !!! :-)
[17:41] <ShiftPlusOne2> good to hear
[17:41] <raynerd> thanks again mate. Your support on this has been outstanding
[17:42] <raynerd> I`m going to go now and jump out the window
[17:42] <raynerd> onto the roof!
[17:42] <raynerd> :-) speak later
[17:42] <ShiftPlusOne2> heh
[17:42] <ShiftPlusOne2> take care
[17:42] <raynerd> @CHSweather should be tweeting soon!
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[17:42] <beaky> hello
[17:42] <mfa298> beaky: you could possibly do it by turn a gpio on, wait a bit, turn it off, wait a bit and then repeat although that will be dependant on the OS timing accuracy. for a single 400Hz square wave you can probably also use the hardware pwm which would mean the timing is done in hardware.
[17:43] <beaky> can i use hardware pwm with the RPi.GPIO library
[17:43] <beaky> or only the awesome WiringPi library can do it? :D
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[17:44] <beaky> oh theres some RPIO library as well
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[17:44] <mfa298> you'll need to read the documentation for that one. I've not used any of the libraries myself
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[17:48] <beaky> wow how do you do it without libs
[17:49] <mfa298> use C and basicly do what the libs are doing along with reading the datasheets - and spend lots of time restarting the Pi when you make it crash.
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[18:11] <gordonDrogon> beaky, you can use the softTone module in wiringPi to generate 400Hz - however there will be a small amount of jitter. You can also use the code I put together to do it via the PWM pin - no jitter there, but it ties up the PWM pin.
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[18:12] <beaky> the PWM pin is awesome hardawre pwm
[18:12] <beaky> (btw is it used for anything else internally? maybe the audio jack output?)
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[18:12] <gordonDrogon> beaky, yes - the 3.5mm audio output uses both internal PWM channels.
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[18:13] <gordonDrogon> beaky, see this article: https://projects.drogon.net/pibrella-from-pimoroni/
[18:13] <gordonDrogon> which has code/runes to generate tones via the Pi's PWM output.
[18:14] <beaky> wow sick pcb
[18:14] <beaky> i love purple soldermask
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[18:23] <[Saint]> Hmmmm.
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[18:23] <[Saint]> I have a tiny piezoelectric plate speaker and a raspi with the 3.5mm out snapped off.
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[18:24] <[Saint]> Crude CHASIS_SPK here I come.
[18:24] <kevinprince> anyone got any ideas why arduino serial output to a Pi is being different to my mac, same code on both. Im getting my initial debug messages in setup but non of the loop ones.
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[18:24] <gordonDrogon> how is arduino connected to the Pi?
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[19:27] <utack> hi guys. how about android 4.4. would it work with the new open source drivers for the gpu or are there still issues ?
[19:28] <shiftplusone2> utack, there's nobody with enough free time working on it
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[19:28] <utack> shiftplusone, but theoretically an accelerated android with gpu support and video decoder would be possible now?
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[19:29] <utack> shiftplusone2, i meant
[19:29] <shiftplusone2> yeah
[19:29] <utack> ok. maybe it'll happen
[19:30] <shiftplusone2> not by itself
[19:30] <utack> lol. well i am not a programmer so i also cannot change it
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[19:33] <Talez> hey, i managed to get a apache server up and running on my PI, all working on local network so far. looking to make the server aviable via internet and maybe get a domain. considering that i'm a noob, is there some sort of tutorial that would cover this?
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[19:34] <shiftplusone2> Talez, just make sure that your ISP doesn't block port 80 and that you have it forwarded correctly.
[19:35] <shiftplusone2> then register the domain and make it point to your IP.
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[19:35] <shiftplusone2> (also make sure your ISP gives you a static IP)
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[19:36] <Talez> shiftplusone2: so the first thing to do is to set up some kind of port-forwarding?
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[19:36] <shiftplusone2> depends on your ISP and local network.
[19:37] <Talez> hmmmm how can i find out more about this?
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[19:37] <napos> talk to your router, it'll know
[19:37] * shiftplusone2 shrugs
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[19:38] <beaky> how do i do DMA on the pi
[19:38] <Talez> i'll asked my router, but he just blinkes. will try to find a C3PO for further communication with it
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[19:39] <Talez> ahhh there is a forwarding-page on the router, i'll suppose that's where i need to change stuff :)
[19:41] <napos> just forward port 80 to your raspberry's ip and that's it.. apache is visible to the entire internet
[19:41] <napos> assuming your ISP doesn't block incoming connections on 80
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[19:43] <Talez> napos: thanks
[19:43] <napos> shiftplusone2 already covered all of this, tbh :p
[19:44] <Talez> sorry, didn't mean to be rude if it came up that way. just takes me a while to figure out what's going on :D
[19:44] <napos> I'll just add that this is a great opportunity to learn about DNS servers, if you're setting up domain names.. maybe even make your own DNS server
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[19:45] <napos> not as difficult as it sounds
[19:45] <Talez> thank god :D
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[19:46] <Talez> so... i've enabled forwarding of port 80 to my PI's ip. Now, how do i access it from the internet? the only IP i have so far is the local network ip 192.168.x.x of my PI...
[19:47] <Talez> does, like, my router have its own IP that can be accessed or how does the principle work?
[19:47] <IT_Sean> It, like, yeah... should have, like, an, like, ip, like, address. ...liek.
[19:47] <IT_Sean> As a device on your network, your router has an IP address, yes.
[19:48] <napos> http://whatsmyip.net
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[19:49] <napos> this is what I mean about DNS servers and such.. it's a good idea to learn how the internet actually works
[19:50] <napos> read about TCP/IP, IP addresses, the OSI model.. stuff like that
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[19:53] <Talez> napos: thanks. figured out my PI's ip but it's not accessable so far (timeout), so i guess there is some mistake in my config atm. don't worry, you've given me enough keywords to google for a few days and i'm sure i'll figure it out by then :)
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[19:55] <johnc-> OSI always makes me think of Venture Brothers
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[19:56] <napos> Talez, np
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[20:00] <IT_Sean> Talez: your ISP may block incoming requests on port 80. Many ISPs do on home services.
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[20:05] <melwyn> hey everyone! i am running two solar powered raspberry pis and now i need to save power during the night. is there some known way to shutdown the raspis for ~12h and then start them automatically? i think it needs some external timer component
[20:07] <shiftplusone2> yeah, you'll need something external to do that.
[20:07] <melwyn> the best would may be to shutdown the raspi and then wake it up again with the reset switch, right? or is the shutdown-power still quite high?
[20:09] <shiftplusone2> I haven't measured the halted power consumption.
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[20:44] <slymatt> hey guys has anyone attempted to use a dht11 humidity/temp sensor with the pi?
[20:48] <slymatt> i get an error Wprogram.h no such file or directory, do i need this or is that for arduino?
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[21:07] <x29a> slymatt: what software/api are you trying to compile?
[21:08] <x29a> and what interface does the dht11 have?
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[21:08] <slymatt> I'm using a raspberry pi with arduino shield bridge, I'm using qccreator and what do you mean interfacE?
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[21:11] <phelix> Would anyone have any idea why with some videos omxplayer sound on some scenes it will just slowly fade out... and then after a minute or so it will fade back in
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[21:41] <raynerd> gooten evening
[21:43] <shiftplusone2> what broke now?
[21:43] * ShorTie snickers
[21:43] <raynerd> haha...nowt
[21:43] <Marco-123> raynerd: guten taag
[21:43] <raynerd> bonj hullo
[21:44] <shiftplusone2> ahm, dobriy den?
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[21:44] <raynerd> does nowt even mean anything.... is "nothing" in a norther British accent but then on an international forum I guess it doesn`t mean anything
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[21:47] <shiftplusone2> ah, now we know
[21:47] <raynerd> shiftplusone2 - it wasn`t actually working when I left
[21:47] <raynerd> but I think the LAN port was inactive or the cable broke :-)
[21:47] <raynerd> I`ll get IT onto it tomorrow
[21:48] <shiftplusone2> ah
[21:48] <raynerd> hows the book coming on
[21:48] <shiftplusone2> terribly
[21:48] <ShorTie> if the lights light, cable mostly ok
[21:49] <raynerd> very likely the LAN port is down as the all the printers were knocked off a while back so it`ll probably need patching in
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[21:49] <raynerd> why the book going terribly
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[21:49] <shiftplusone2> haven't had a chance to work on it and am way behind schedule.
[21:50] <raynerd> bummer
[21:50] <raynerd> http://ramsbottomweather.no-ip.org/
[21:51] <shiftplusone2> is that site running on a pi?
[21:51] <raynerd> that working .... it is here but its on my local connection
[21:51] <raynerd> yes
[21:51] <shiftplusone2> excellent
[21:51] <raynerd> this is my home weather station! after the enjoyment of the school one
[21:52] <shiftplusone2> ah
[21:52] <raynerd> this is not airpi though
[21:52] <raynerd> (thankfully!!)
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[21:54] <raynerd> you know over a webserver - internally only - could it act as a shared drive.
[21:55] <raynerd> I.e host files and add files?
[21:55] <shiftplusone2> yup
[21:55] <raynerd> easy?
[21:55] <shiftplusone2> depending on the approach
[21:55] <raynerd> as in "raynerd easy" or just easy?
[21:56] <shiftplusone2> do you need to share with windows computers?
[21:56] <raynerd> yes
[21:56] <raynerd> I`m thinking in school
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[21:56] <shiftplusone2> ah
[21:56] <shiftplusone2> hmm... not sure how best to approach it
[21:57] <raynerd> I`ve used lighttpd to host a website on the pi and can access the website
[21:57] <raynerd> I`d just like I page where I can add files for download, drag and drop style....
[21:57] <raynerd> I suppose the other option would be to only be able to add files by ftp
[21:57] <raynerd> by ssh even
[21:58] <shiftplusone2> yeah
[21:58] <raynerd> that would stop people deleting as well.
[21:58] <shiftplusone2> I was thinking either ftp or sftp (which works over ssh, but need a client)
[21:58] <shiftplusone2> *needs
[21:58] <raynerd> client to ssh into the pi?
[21:58] <raynerd> putty
[21:58] <shiftplusone2> nuh, something like windscp or filezilla
[21:59] <slymatt> does anyone here work with cqcreator?
[21:59] <raynerd> ah ok
[21:59] <raynerd> if you just wanted an index page quite simply listing the "files" available to download.. how would you do that
[22:00] <raynerd> i.e no nice user interface.
[22:00] <shiftplusone2> should be a feature of lighttpd
[22:00] <raynerd> ok.. I`ll take another look
[22:00] <raynerd> hey, I have something else to tell you
[22:01] <raynerd> you know I kept moaning that I havae two dead pi`s?
[22:01] <shiftplusone2> Raymii, http://redmine.lighttpd.net/projects/1/wiki/Docs_ModDirlisting
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[22:01] <raynerd> Well you personally were correct... it was the SD slot holder.
[22:01] <slymatt> anyone know a quick and easy way to change a label in qt creator in code ?
[22:01] <shiftplusone2> hurray
[22:01] <shiftplusone2> how did you fix it?
[22:02] <raynerd> I purchased a new SD card slot and soldered it on
[22:02] <shiftplusone2> ah, nice
[22:02] <raynerd> removed the old sd card holder and resoldered the new on in
[22:02] <shiftplusone2> had trouble getting the old one off or not?
[22:03] <raynerd> urrr... I wouldn`t have if I could have found my solder wick... but I couldn`t
[22:03] <raynerd> as it happens, I was luck and just took a set of wire clipers at it. Its all top mounted and not through mounted!
[22:04] <shiftplusone2> I ended up lifting a pad off the board on my first attempt due to crappy side-cutters and lack of care. =(
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[22:04] <shiftplusone2> luckily it was a useless pad and it worked fine without that pin connected.
[22:04] <raynerd> I just snipped all the connectors off and then it fell off.... I then desoldered each connector without being attached to the sd slot
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[22:05] <Twinsen> Hey guys, I have a really fast internet connection(100mbps) and an external HDD attached to my raspberry. I would like a torrent client that is as fast as possible. I tried transmission, but it wasn't able to download at more than 1MB/s. Anyone know any alternatives or optimizations?
[22:05] <shiftplusone2> raynerd, yup, that's a good way to do it.
[22:06] <raynerd> I`ve now hooked it up to my 3d printer and running octipi
[22:06] <raynerd> octopi
[22:06] <shiftplusone2> what's that?
[22:06] <shiftplusone2> ah, found it
[22:06] <raynerd> yes, pretty cool.
[22:07] <raynerd> It turns the reprap into a wireless printer and networked!
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[22:08] <raynerd> right, I`m off. I don`t watch much TV but I`ve got into Game of Thrones and its on now. Speak to you later
[22:08] <shiftplusone2> take care
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[22:09] <raynerd> you to.
[22:09] <shiftplusone2> spoiler: everybody dies... always.
[22:09] <raynerd> lol
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[22:12] <AlecksG> Twinsen, I've had good experience with deluge. You can run just a daemon on it and remotely connect a gui client too
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[22:12] <shiftplusone2> I don't think the client will make any real difference.
[22:13] <AlecksG> personally I wouldn't want to waste running a desktop on the pi if I was just going to use it to torrent
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[22:13] <shiftplusone2> you can do the same with tranmission though
[22:13] <Twinsen> what speeds do you manage to get?
[22:14] <AlecksG> Twinsen, the max my connection allows
[22:15] <Twinsen> i'm mostly interested in adding a torrent and get it downloaded as fast as possible. On my PC i get 10MB/s, the raspbarry will probably never handle that, but I want to get close
[22:16] <AlecksG> well you have my suggestion :P
[22:16] <Twinsen> i'll get deluge then
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[22:16] <AlecksG> looks like transmission is a lot different from when I last used it
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[22:18] <slymatt> can someone please help with qt creator I'm really stuck
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[22:21] <shiftplusone2> slymatt, qt should have a channel.
[22:21] <slymatt> there useless =P
[22:21] <beaky> how do i measure analog voltage with the pi
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[22:22] <beaky> i can do it with arduino with analogRead
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[22:22] <shiftplusone2> beaky, you need an ADC. The pi doesn't have analogue inputs.
[22:22] <ShorTie> with a adc
[22:23] <beaky> aww :( what adc is the best
[22:23] <shiftplusone2> The one that suits your application
[22:23] <slymatt> i find raspberry pi to arduino bridge shield is good!
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[22:24] <malfunct> beaky, one that does I2C or SPI so you can read it with standard libraries I'd think would be best
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[22:25] <beaky> i want to turn my pi to a scope
[22:25] <beaky> so i need a gigasampling adc
[22:25] <malfunct> beaky, ahh, yeah. That requires special circuitry
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[22:25] <malfunct> I don't have anywhere near the expertise to recommend anything
[22:25] <ShorTie> beaky, figure out how many inputs you need, then i would look in like wiringpi for a chip that has drivers with that many inputs
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[22:26] <beaky> too bad most gigasampling adcs dont come cheap :(
[22:26] <beaky> they would cost more than the Pi :D
[22:27] <ShorTie> some times it is best just to buy the product you want
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[22:28] <shiftplusone2> If you're doing this for fun, just pick whatever ADC is supported by your library of choice. If you actually want a scope, then you're doing it wrong.
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[22:36] <shiftplusone2> raynerd, seems like this could be handy http://www.raspberrypi.org/minecraft-pi-recipe-cards-to-download-and-keep/
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[22:38] <beaky> how much can the 5V pin source
[22:39] <shiftplusone2> I think it was designed with 20mA in mind, but I am sure you can get way more from there without any hassle. What range were you thinking of?
[22:39] <rikkib> Total of 1.1A minus 700mA to power the RPi
[22:39] <malfunct> also totally depends on your power supply
[22:40] <rikkib> the limiting factor is the 1.1A poly fuse
[22:40] <ShorTie> enough for a couple chips, but best to source else where
[22:40] <rikkib> So around 400mA
[22:40] <shiftplusone2> note that it doesn't actually take 700mA to power the pi.
[22:41] <rikkib> It is close to that
[22:41] <shiftplusone2> nnnnuh
[22:42] <IT_Sean> rikkib: I'd listen to shiftplusone on this... he's done more power related testing than I care to remember having listened to.
[22:42] <rikkib> I have an inline usb tap that allows me to measure current... I measured around 650mA
[22:42] <shiftplusone2> actually, I think rikkib would've done more than me.
[22:42] <IT_Sean> That's impressive.
[22:42] <shiftplusone2> rikkib, is that with fancy gpio gizmos and usb devices?
[22:42] <rikkib> No HDMI
[22:43] <rikkib> hang on I find pic
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[22:45] <shiftplusone2> Shame that my meter is only for 400mA. While I am certain that I'd measure about 350mA with nothing plugged in, I am not certain enough to risk the fuse.
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[22:46] <shiftplusone2> actually, I have a DC supply with a crude current readout. testing time...
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[22:46] <rikkib> http://www.zlham.geek.nz/images/news/bkout.jpg
[22:46] <rikkib> Power fail
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[22:47] <rikkib> The usb break out allows me to measure current with an amp meter
[22:47] <rikkib> A must have imho
[22:49] <rikkib> Made it out of front p[anel usb suckets and a usb cable cut in half
[22:51] <shiftplusone2> I haven't connected anything, but I smell magic smoke and there was a loud bang....
[22:51] <shiftplusone2> now then... to sniff out what blew up.
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[22:54] <shiftplusone2> odd
[22:56] <shiftplusone2> I guess I'll ignore it... what could possibly go wrong
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[23:03] <raalex> that's the spirit
[23:04] <shiftplusone2> I think it's the dc supply. I just turned it on, got distracted and walked away for a second then bang. Taking it apart to look for blown caps now. =/
[23:05] <raalex> not much else there that would bang
[23:07] <shiftplusone2> lol... there's a... I don't know what to call it. Just a loose casing of a cap inside.... blew clean off.
[23:07] <rikkib> Choice two more nRF24 arrived in the mail this morning... Just need another compass module to make my wind vane
[23:07] <shiftplusone2> so much for the relief cuts on the top
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[23:07] <Caelum> Hello, does the rpi have an internal usb header or only the ports?
[23:08] <rikkib> Only the ports
[23:08] <rikkib> search raspberry compute module
[23:08] <Caelum> thank you
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[23:09] <Caelum> another question, are there alternative little pcs like odroid etc. but that will run raspbian and the pi store? or that only runs on real rpis
[23:10] <rikkib> There are similar boards like the RPi but there are differences
[23:11] <rikkib> banana pi
[23:11] <rikkib> is one
[23:11] <Caelum> ok, will research those, thank you!
[23:12] <rikkib> cubie board
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[23:14] <shiftplusone2> Spot the problem https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/175702/2014-04-29%2007.09.37.jpg https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/175702/2014-04-29%2007.08.23.jpg
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[23:18] <raalex> wow
[23:18] <raalex> might still work :)
[23:18] <shiftplusone2> it does, but I don't trust it until I replace the cap and figure out why it blew up
[23:19] <raalex> you don't seem to be a risk taker
[23:19] <shiftplusone2> not with power supplies
[23:19] <raalex> with the way power supplies are made today
[23:20] <raalex> it's not gonna blow up more than your raspi
[23:21] <raalex> which may be something you want to avoid though
[23:21] <raalex> idk about your priorities :)
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[23:22] <shiftplusone2> heh
[23:22] <raalex> I for one, would take a nice explosion over a motherboard
[23:23] <shiftplusone2> I prefer my explosions to be intentional, not random.
[23:23] <raalex> yea, tbh
[23:23] <raalex> it's not gonna be a very exciting explosion either
[23:23] <raalex> I have shot dozens of caps in my life and only one of them was really nice
[23:23] <raalex> with stuff flying around the room
[23:24] <shiftplusone2> I'll just... pop that back on and... there we go... good as new.
[23:24] <raalex> that was a laser power supply though, with much higher voltages
[23:24] <rikkib> Blew the top off a cap
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[23:24] <rikkib> to much voltage
[23:24] <shiftplusone2> usually it's quite boring... a little puff of smoke and that's it.
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[23:25] <rikkib> replace it and it will go fine again
[23:25] <rikkib> no cap may lead to data errors
[23:25] <shiftplusone2> rikkib, would it be a good idea to make sure there's nothing wrong with the board... or the next one might just blow up again?
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[23:26] <rikkib> check your voltage
[23:26] <raalex> yes shiftplusone
[23:26] <rikkib> blown caps is a voltage issue not current
[23:26] <shiftplusone2> I guess screwing the top back on is not a real fix =P https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/175702/2014-04-29%2007.22.00.jpg
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[23:27] <rikkib> But yes test when replacing
[23:27] <rikkib> Do you have a veriac?
[23:27] <shiftplusone2> nope
[23:27] <rikkib> variac
[23:28] <rikkib> hmmm
[23:28] <rikkib> A must have imho
[23:29] <shiftplusone2> why?
[23:29] <raalex> looks at the pics you shared
[23:29] <rikkib> to test an issue such as that I would intercept the power is to that part of the cct
[23:30] <shiftplusone2> I don't follow
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[23:31] <shiftplusone2> well this sucks... I can't get to the underside of the board to solder on a new cap >=/
[23:31] <shiftplusone2> have to desolder the lcd first
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[23:32] <rikkib> put a small val high wattage resistor in line and watch current drawn
[23:32] <rikkib> but as I said if you exceed the working voltage caps do that
[23:32] <rikkib> electrolytic
[23:32] <rikkib> ones
[23:32] <rikkib> 230v is good to make caps go bang... Messy
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[23:34] <shiftplusone2> Why not just probe the voltages with a multimeter to make sure it's all operating as it should?
[23:34] <shiftplusone2> ah great, out of solder wick, so I guess this repair will have to wait.
[23:34] <rikkib> That is one of the tests
[23:34] <rikkib> No solder sucker
[23:34] <shiftplusone2> nope
[23:35] <rikkib> temp controlled iron?
[23:35] <shiftplusone2> yeah
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[23:35] <rikkib> turn it right down
[23:35] <shiftplusone2> but there are many pads and on opposite sides of the board, I won't be able to keep all the solder molten.
[23:35] <rikkib> do you normally do cct repair?
[23:36] <shiftplusone2> given that I don't know what cct stands for, I am going to guess 'no'
[23:36] <rikkib> even competent service persons can stuff it up when dealing with dil and other harder stuff
[23:36] <rikkib> circuit
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[23:37] <shiftplusone2> Ah, I know my way around. I've learned not to attempt things in frustration and without proper tools, so I am leaving it until I get the solder wick.
[23:37] <rikkib> so easy to de-laminate the copper from the board
[23:37] <shiftplusone2> aye
[23:37] <Triffid_Hunter> sounds like a job for hot air
[23:38] <shiftplusone2> not sure hot air would cut it
[23:38] <shiftplusone2> https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/175702/2014-04-29%2007.22.00.jpg
[23:38] <shiftplusone2> in that pic, it's the long pins on either side
[23:40] <rikkib> Carefully cut away the paper of the cap and solder to the existing leads
[23:40] <shiftplusone2> not sure I can do that without botching it.
[23:40] <rikkib> nothing to lose
[23:41] <rikkib> loose
[23:41] <Triffid_Hunter> shiftplusone2: for through hole stuff it's typically a LOT easier to snip then remove the pin stubs one by one, then clear holes for new part
[23:41] <rikkib> what is the proper spelling
[23:41] <rikkib> lost that one due to stroke
[23:41] <Triffid_Hunter> shiftplusone2: however, you may want to check the rest of the board to see if something else caused that cap to die so violently
[23:41] <shiftplusone2> lose
[23:41] <Triffid_Hunter> I've never seen one eject its entire casing before
[23:41] <shiftplusone2> loose is like "a loose knot"
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[23:42] <shiftplusone2> Triffid_Hunter, yeah, I found that mildly amusing. Haven't seen that before either.
[23:42] <rikkib> I have blown them to bits for fun...
[23:42] <rikkib> big ones
[23:43] <rikkib> and had them go when servicing
[23:43] <shiftplusone2> anyway... better check if I even have a cap to replace it with
[23:43] <rikkib> fix one thing,,,blow up the next thing
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[23:43] <rikkib> old water damaged stuff is the worst
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[23:44] <shiftplusone2> what sort of damage does water cause anyway
[23:45] <shiftplusone2> It's not that conductive, so I am struggling to understand why electronics die so easily from a little bit of water
[23:45] <Triffid_Hunter> rikkib: heh yeah I serviced one amp where the fuse kept blowing up, worked fine until the fuse went though which was odd.. put a bigger fuse and the diode bridge blew. put a bigger diode bridge...
[23:45] <Triffid_Hunter> thing worked perfect for about 3 days, then one day it started smoking and before I could get to it, kaboom! one of the power caps blasted its guts all over my table and ceiling, and lifted the amp a good 20cm into the air
[23:45] <shiftplusone2> jesus
[23:45] <Triffid_Hunter> that cap was almost the size of my fist, apparently it had developed a mild internal short
[23:46] <rikkib> fun
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[23:47] <rikkib> I like load music
[23:47] <rikkib> blowing amps goes with the territory
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[23:48] <rikkib> currently run fender stage SE at 160W and 100W mosfet bass amp (wide range anyway)
[23:49] <Triffid_Hunter> that's pretty huge for a guitar amp.. I'm more into hifi myself
[23:50] <rikkib> The fender is great... Never get to turn it up much
[23:50] <rikkib> lots of head room
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[23:51] <Triffid_Hunter> I did plug a guitar into my hifi amp once.. that was entertaining. the guitar's owner thought it wasn't working at all until I cranked it because it sounded *exactly* the same as the guitar, just louder
[23:51] <rikkib> I am just a hobby muso no... I had a stoke in 2005 and lost most expert ability
[23:51] <rikkib> now
[23:52] <rikkib> Still can play but not to stage level as before
[23:52] <rikkib> and added drums to the skills since stroke
[23:52] <rikkib> guitar/bass drums moth hard
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[23:55] <Triffid_Hunter> rikkib: I play violin myself, learning bits and pieces of guitar from time to time
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[23:56] <shiftplusone2> violins are awesome. Even when someone is just tuning one it sounds awesome.
[23:57] <Triffid_Hunter> shiftplusone2: heh can't say I agree with them sounding awesome when being tuned, but yes they provide a whole new level to any style of music
[23:58] <shiftplusone2> heh
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