#raspberrypi IRC Log

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IRC Log for 2014-05-02

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[0:00] <rikkib> Send a command (0x02) and it goes into the lowest power sleep mode and waits for radio which wakes it up so it is ready to respond to the next command (0x01)
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[0:01] <plugwash> but notes that if you want to run off batteries for a nontrivial time you either need big batteries or you need to keep the radio off most of the time
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[0:01] <rikkib> I am making a wireless wind vane to talk to my rpi sensor sys
[0:02] <rikkib> It is battery powered from 3 AA Nicad
[0:02] <rikkib> and uses the MC9S08 8 bit low power micro
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[0:03] <plugwash> and what RF chips?
[0:03] <rikkib> plus nRF24, compass, ds18B20 and ldr
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[0:03] <plugwash> most of the time if you have a battery powered unit and a mains powered unit it's best to have all communications initiated from the battery powered end
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[0:04] <rikkib> http://www.zlham.geek.nz/images/news/windvane1.jpg
[0:04] <plugwash> that way the battery powered end only needs to wake up very briefly and can spend most of it's time in a very low power sleep state with the radio off
[0:04] <rikkib> http://www.zlham.geek.nz/images/news/windvane2.jpg
[0:04] <rikkib> http://www.zlham.geek.nz/images/news/windvane3.jpg
[0:05] <rikkib> I have VDD (+3.3V) monitored
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[0:05] <Brod> links return forbidden
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[0:05] <rikkib> the data that comes back from the wind vane contains the band gap data
[0:06] <rikkib> with band gap you can work out current battery voltage
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[0:06] <rikkib> The micro works to 1.8v
[0:07] <rikkib> Whether the radio etc works at 1.8v is yet to be determined by test
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[0:07] <plugwash> If you want things to work off batteries for a long time then you need to spend the vast majority of your time in a low power sleep state with the radio receiver OFF
[0:07] <plugwash> and you need to carefully check the standby current of every component in your system
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[0:08] <ShorTie> my weather station takes 4 AA bateries, that 4th battery might really help to extend there life
[0:09] <plugwash> (of course I was aiming at an 18 month battery life............)
[0:10] <rikkib> Yes there is a lot to it...
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[0:58] <rikkib> Power co has arrived
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[1:33] <bel3atar> can I use this with the pi ? http://www.ebay.com/itm/281317663849
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[1:37] <narcos> is there a simple debugging library to send signal to a GPIO pin?
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[1:37] <atouk> wiringpi
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[1:38] <shiftplusone> bel3atar, maybe, maybe not. They don't provide a schematic.
[1:39] <shiftplusone> bel3atar, you'd definitely be able to use it without the i2c backpack, it would just be a little trickier.
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[1:40] <bel3atar> =(
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[1:42] <bel3atar> I need a serial LCD
[1:44] <shiftplusone> It should be fine, but hard to say for sure. It's designed for 5v, but it uses I2C, which should be 3.3v friendly, if you can add your own pull up resistors. But for all you know, the module could have 5v pull ups on there already.
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[1:45] <phire> That will probally already have 5v pull ups on it
[1:46] <bel3atar> what are some tested serial lcds out there?
[1:47] <shiftplusone> why does it have to be serial?
[1:47] <shiftplusone> if it's just to save pins... it doesn't have to be serial.
[1:48] <phire> the hd44780 can be driven by just 6 (or 7) pins if you use 4 bit mode
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[1:48] <shiftplusone> or you can use an io expander chip (spi or i2c)
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[1:49] <m4xx> evening all
[1:49] <m4xx> for the life of me i can't get sound over hdmi on my pi :(
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[1:49] <m4xx> been googling with no luck
[1:50] <m4xx> i've tried a bunch of different settings in my config.txt
[1:50] <shiftplusone> tried changing the hdmi drive options?
[1:50] <m4xx> still nadda
[1:50] <m4xx> hdmi_drive=2?
[1:50] <m4xx> yes
[1:50] <m4xx> did the amixer cset also
[1:50] <m4xx> still nadda
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[1:51] <m4xx> bout to yank what little hair i have left out ;\
[1:51] <shiftplusone> posted on the forum?
[1:51] <m4xx> negative
[1:51] <m4xx> was hopping i may get a quicker response here
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[1:52] <shiftplusone> it doesn't sound like you're doing anything wrong, so I think it might take the pi engineers to figure that one out.
[1:52] <shiftplusone> and you're 100% sure the device actually has audio output?
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[1:52] <m4xx> it's my tv
[1:52] <shiftplusone> and how are you testing.... is it omxplayer or something else?
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[1:52] <m4xx> tried both the regular hdmi port and the dvi port
[1:53] <m4xx> doing the sudo aplay with some wav file
[1:53] <m4xx> says it plays
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[1:53] <shiftplusone> what if you try omxplayer with the -o hdmi option or whatever it is?
[1:53] <m4xx> usr/share/sounds/alsa/Front_Center.wav
[1:53] <m4xx> lemme google
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[1:54] <takkie> Spice_Boy: congrats
[1:54] <m4xx> that seemed to work
[1:55] <shiftplusone> what worked? O_o
[1:55] <m4xx> omxplayer -o hdmi
[1:55] <shiftplusone> hm
[1:56] <shiftplusone> do you have hdmi drive set to 2 currently?
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[1:56] <shiftplusone> if so, run sudo amixer cset numid=3 2
[1:57] <m4xx> pi@raspberrypi:~$ amixer cset numid=3 numid=3,iface=MIXER,name='PCM Playback Route' ; type=INTEGER,access=rw------,values=1,min=0,max=2,step=0 : values=0
[1:57] <m4xx> wtf
[1:57] <shiftplusone> I don't know what all that other stuff is
[1:57] <shiftplusone> and take note of the channel rules.
[1:58] <m4xx> my apologies
[1:58] <m4xx> won't happen again
[1:58] <shiftplusone> np, I don't personally care, just giving you the heads up.
[1:59] <m4xx> wait, was it my paste or acronym?
[1:59] <shiftplusone> acronym
[1:59] <m4xx> ah, k
[1:59] <shiftplusone> so, no luck after running sudo amixer cset numid=3 2 ?
[1:59] <m4xx> but yes, route is set to 2 (hdmi)
[2:00] <m4xx> still no aplay joy
[2:00] <shiftplusone> I give up then, it's haunted. Assuming your config.txt is fine, anyway.
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[2:01] <m4xx> http://pastebin.com/ehHQFv5V
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[2:03] <shiftplusone> not sure hdmi_force_edid_audio=1 is a good idea
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[2:07] <m4xx> anyone else? :(
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[2:16] <m4xx> shiftplusone: where should i post for additional help?
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[2:17] <shiftplusone> the troubleshooting forum, I would think
[2:17] <shiftplusone> but it occurs to me that you seem to be running a custom kernel... is the bcm sound module loaded?
[2:18] <m4xx> i'm running mamepi or pimame or w/e
[2:18] <m4xx> i dont _think_ they modified the kernel
[2:18] <m4xx> i believe it's loaded, it's in /etc/modules
[2:18] <shiftplusone> what does lsmod say?
[2:19] <m4xx> one sec, rebooting
[2:20] <m4xx> snd_bcm2835 16385 0 snd_pcm 78362 1 snd_bcm2835
[2:20] <m4xx> among others
[2:21] <whuffor> Grrr. Seems tmux is preventing me from using hyperlinks in irc
[2:21] <m4xx> w00t
[2:21] <whuffor> I may be forced to rtfm
[2:21] <m4xx> upgrade firmware and it seems to be working
[2:21] <m4xx> stupid stupid me :(
[2:22] <m4xx> thank you for the help kind sir
[2:22] <m4xx> it's much appreciated
[2:23] <shiftplusone> odd that a firmware update did it
[2:23] <shiftplusone> ah well, as long as it's sorted =D
[2:23] <m4xx> i'm just happy i'll finally get to play some video games ;D
[2:24] * takkie is now known as takkie_
[2:24] <m4xx> again, thank you. happy hacking :)
[2:24] <shiftplusone> np
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[3:49] <[Ex0r]> hmm, how does linux keep usb devices organized when two of the same device are plugged in together ?
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[3:54] <Triffid_Hunter> [Ex0r]: that's what usb addresses are for
[3:54] <Triffid_Hunter> [Ex0r]: each device is assigned a unique address when it's plugged in
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[3:55] <Triffid_Hunter> [Ex0r]: nothing to do with linux specifically, this is basic usb protocol which all OSes must implement ;)
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[3:57] <mybit> do you have to torrent rom's for the nes emulator on the pi? or is there a site to download them?
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[4:41] <[Ex0r]> Triffid_Hunter- each time you plug that device in, does it give it the same address ?
[4:41] <Triffid_Hunter> [Ex0r]: no
[4:42] <Triffid_Hunter> [Ex0r]: if you need to uniquely identify identical devices, write a udev rule that matches on the serial number
[4:42] <[Ex0r]> well im trying to figure out why every time I connect these two gamepads to my pi, it gives them a different /dev/ name each time
[4:42] <[Ex0r]> it makes it impossible to use them because the apps are pointing to a specific /dev/ name
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[5:11] <Triffid_Hunter> [Ex0r]: that's what udev is for
[5:12] <Triffid_Hunter> [Ex0r]: let them have whatever dev name it likes, but create symlinks with udev that have consistent names.. I'd suggest something like /dev/gamepad_<serial number> or similar
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[5:12] <[Ex0r]> well it pulls them from /dev/input/js<number>
[5:13] <[Ex0r]> how can I go about getting the serial # of a gamepad thats plugged in?
[5:13] <Triffid_Hunter> [Ex0r]: lsusb -v
[5:13] <Triffid_Hunter> and as an example, here's one I use for usb serial ports: SUBSYSTEMS=="usb", ATTRS{idVendor}=="0403", ATTRS{idProduct}=="6001", SYMLINK+="arduino_$attr{serial}"
[5:14] <Triffid_Hunter> there's a ton of tutorials around for writing udev rules
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[5:14] <[Ex0r]> well what happens in the app, is it reads a config file for a player 1 and player 2 index. Whatever value you have for each is placed into the /dev/js<number>
[5:15] <[Ex0r]> So I would need to find a way, perhaps a symlink ? that would make /dev/js1/ always be a specific controller, and the same for /dev/js2/
[5:16] <Triffid_Hunter> [Ex0r]: or /dev/anythingyoulike_31123121 and /dev/anythingyoulike_753458734
[5:16] <Triffid_Hunter> if they don't have unique serial numbers, then you're SOL unfortunately
[5:16] <Triffid_Hunter> no way to tell them apart
[5:16] <[Ex0r]> they probably dont, its an xbox 360 wired controller
[5:16] <Triffid_Hunter> except to have them plugged into a hub, and only connect/disconnect the hub. then they should be enumerated in the same order every time
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[5:17] <[Ex0r]> thats eventually what im gonna do
[5:17] <[Ex0r]> but i dont have the hub right now and was trying to get it to work
[5:18] <Triffid_Hunter> [Ex0r]: well lsusb will give you vid/pid for the controllers, then you can lsusb -d vid:pid -v to see the whole descriptor list and check the serial numbers
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[5:20] <atouk> No "player A press a key" routine to designate each one?
[5:20] <[Ex0r]> yes, there is
[5:20] <[Ex0r]> but the problem is, every time they are plugged in, the /dev/ link changes
[5:20] <[Ex0r]> so the app breaks
[5:21] <[Ex0r]> because its looking for a specific /dev/js<x> where <x> is assigned in a config file
[5:21] <Triffid_Hunter> [Ex0r]: then the app is dumb because that's not how things work
[5:22] <[Ex0r]> so once its unplugged or the system reboots, it no longer is able to reference it
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[5:23] <[Ex0r]> well i think the way the app is thinking it works, is the first controller thats plugged in is ALWAYS assigned js1, and a second one js2
[5:23] <[Ex0r]> but, that doesnt seem to be the case, because ive had js3 and js4 show up in /dev/ before with no 1 or 2
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[5:28] <Triffid_Hunter> [Ex0r]: the app is thinking wrong. it should scan the directory or use some appropriate system call to get a list of available gamepads, then proceed from there.. using fixed names should be user configurable but not default
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[9:01] <mybit> hello
[9:02] <mybit> anyone around?
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[9:48] <Bhaal> So, just did an rpi-update on one of my pi which was a stock raspbian install....
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[9:48] <Bhaal> And now its getting real high loads for no reason, no processes in top are showing high loads
[9:51] <Bhaal> I do have a couple of 1-wire sensors connected will unplug those shortly and see if thats the problem...
[9:52] <ShorTie> did you reboot after rpi-update
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[9:54] <Bhaal> Yep...
[9:54] <Bhaal> many times now...
[9:54] <Bhaal> I wonder if its the watchdog
[9:54] <Bhaal> There is no IO wait either
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[9:55] <ShorTie> ok, didn't think it ould make a difference, but just checking
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[9:55] <ShorTie> ya, i'd try disabling the watchdog next
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[10:04] <Bhaal> ShorTie: Its harder to tell at the moment now.. tvheadend just started recording.... But usually even when its recording and someone is watching TV as well the load barely goes about 1....
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[10:06] <Bhaal> ShorTie: Annoyingly the machine was running mostly ok, it started locking up maybe once a day since polling the 1-wire sensors every minute but other then that its been stable and was stable before I put the 1-wire sensors...
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[10:07] <Bhaal> I wish they would hurry up and release the new RPi and development board, I am holding off buying more gear till that comes out...
[10:08] <ShorTie> yup, i'd like to get 1 too...
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[10:11] <Bhaal> ShorTie: Oh, I did remove the watchdog before, no difference though, including yet another reboot...
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[10:15] <ShorTie> poling the 1-wire stuff every minute might be taxing too, can you cut that back to like 5 or 10 minutes just to test ??
[10:15] <Bhaal> It wasn't an issue before I did the rpi-update
[10:16] <Bhaal> It's only 2 sensors, takes it about 3 seconds to poll...
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[10:17] <ShorTie> rpi-update is like a testing branch, that is why some peeps say don't do it unless you really really need too...
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[10:18] <ShorTie> was there a specific reason for rpi-update, or where you like just playing ??
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[10:20] <Bhaal> ShorTie: Well I was hoping it might fix the crashing.... :/
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[10:21] <Bhaal> Hmmm, whats this thd process...?
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[10:22] <Bhaal> Hmmm, its running on my other Pi's so that's not the problem...
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[10:23] <ShorTie> there is a thread in the forums that says it is part of alsa
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[10:24] <ShorTie> have you dug thru the logs to see about the crashing ??
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[10:37] <Bhaal> No idea what you didn't see, I think I typed a bit of stuff before connectivity went sideways
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[10:39] <Bhaal> ShorTie: Yay! I went back to the 3.10.38 kernel which was done on the 28th April and everything is back to normal
[10:40] <ShorTie> Cool
[10:41] <Bhaal> Once the kids are off to bed though I will shoot myself in the foot and roll forward 1 revision to the 3.12.18 kernel and see if its that kernel or something in the next 2 revisions after that (purely out of curiosity)
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[10:43] <Bhaal> ShorTie: 18:43:49 up 6 min, 1 user, load average: 0.70, 0.66, 0.32
[10:44] <Bhaal> Thats with tvheadend recording 1 SDTV stream to usb storage (hdd)
[10:44] <Bhaal> 18:44:34 up 7 min, 1 user, load average: 0.52, 0.62, 0.33
[10:44] <Bhaal> Ahh now its settling down...
[10:45] <Bhaal> 0.37
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[10:45] <Bhaal> 0,26
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[11:06] <Bhaal> ShorTie: Now its got some load on it 19:06:33 up 29 min, 1 user, load average: 1.89, 1.62, 1.10
[11:07] <Bhaal> ShorTie: But it is recording 3 SDTV streams to usb disk...
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[11:11] <shiftplusone> 'morning
[11:11] <Armand> o/
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[11:32] <Th3J0k3r> Hey
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[11:33] <shiftplusone> ahoy
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[11:34] <Th3J0k3r> I don't have a raspberry pi yet but i'm working on a setup with a raspberry pi
[11:34] <Th3J0k3r> I want to solar power a battery pack
[11:34] <Th3J0k3r> so I can power my Raspberry pi for free
[11:35] <gordonDrogon> morning.
[11:35] <shiftplusone> where do you live?
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[11:35] <Th3J0k3r> England
[11:35] <gordonDrogon> Th3J0k3r, for some value of free - think of the cost of providing mains power for the same time that solar panel, battery and voltage regulators cost you ;-)
[11:35] <Th3J0k3r> i gtg sorry
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[11:36] <shiftplusone> O_o
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[11:55] <gordonDrogon> about to some something similar for myself anyway - 2 big panels, 2 120 Ah lead acids and a combination of a Pi + Arduino to control it all.
[11:56] <gordonDrogon> the system providing 5v USB power sockets, 12v for 12v stuff (the wireless link to the house, garden lights, etc.) and 19.2v for laptop charging. this is for a garden office type thing working completely off-grid.
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[12:03] <Bhaal> gordonDrogon: Sounds like it might be cheaper to dig a trench and run a cable (aside from the joy of hacking the offgrid rig together :)
[12:03] <SpeedEvil> You do have proper high and low voltage limits on the batteyr?
[12:04] <SpeedEvil> Also - that will likely not work in winter if you want it on 24*7
[12:04] <Bhaal> Ahhh, Brisbane Australia ... solar all year round :)
[12:04] <SpeedEvil> Oh
[12:04] <SpeedEvil> nice
[12:04] <gordonDrogon> Bhaal, it' would be a 60m SWA cable run and I'd need to get wayleave off 2 neighbours houses.
[12:05] <gordonDrogon> SpeedEvil, I will when I'm done.
[12:05] <Bhaal> gordonDrogon: Ohhhhhhhhh
[12:05] <Bhaal> gordonDrogon: Ok, that sounds far more expensive then
[12:05] <gordonDrogon> SpeedEvil, it's unlikely the shed will be warm enough for full-time winter use, but one plan is to make the batteries easy to disconnect one at a time to wheel back to the house to be charged off mains.
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[12:06] <SpeedEvil> gordonDrogon: Here - a pi alone will tax a 250W panel 24*7
[12:06] <SpeedEvil> in winter
[12:06] <Bhaal> Really????
[12:06] <Bhaal> That sounds a bit excessive
[12:06] <gordonDrogon> yea, the Pi won't run all the time - an ATmega will and that will have a low-bandwidth link to the house and have full power control.
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[12:07] <ruben-ikmaak> i'm working with a 30.000mah accu and solar charger for it, and making a timelapse with raspicam, its working for 7 weeks now :)
[12:07] <gordonDrogon> so I can leave the house, hit the "boot" button and by the time I'm in the summer house, the wireless link is up, the local wi-fi running and anything else I might need.
[12:07] <Bhaal> SpeedEvil: Where is "here" for you?
[12:07] <ruben-ikmaak> and i do not even deep sleep
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[12:08] <gordonDrogon> The Pi's only there to have a Pi there :) I do want to do night-time time-lapse photography with it though, so that'll depends on the battereis getting a good charge through the day. the panel placements are somewhat sub-optimal, but I'll live with that.
[12:09] <SpeedEvil> Bhaal: scotland
[12:09] <gordonDrogon> Hoots mon! Nae sunlight there!
[12:09] <SpeedEvil> Bhaal: The days are fairly short - and often very, very cloudy in January
[12:09] <Bhaal> SpeedEvil: Ahhhh ok, yeah, can see how solar might be a problem :)
[12:09] <gordonDrogon> and other scottish sayings ;-)
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[12:10] <Bhaal> gordonDrogon: haha
[12:10] <gordonDrogon> I am Scottish though...
[12:10] <gordonDrogon> just been living in engurland for too long.
[12:10] <Bhaal> I have a little 1.5kW solar array on the roof, it doesn't do so good on cloudy days...
[12:11] <Bhaal> Although today wasn't too bad... Managed to generate 2kWh
[12:11] <Bhaal> It was cloudy all day, to varying thicknesses...
[12:12] <gordonDrogon> I have a 20-tube solar water system on the house roof. Wish I'd put 2 there now when I installed it.
[12:12] <Bhaal> Some days though, it won't even generate 500Wh
[12:12] <gordonDrogon> I have relatives on Orkeny - they want solar PV panels - I'm telling them to not bother...
[12:13] <Bhaal> Hmmm, I have "Solarhart" hot water on the roof... I only switch on the electric element after its been cloudy for a few days...
[12:13] <ShorTie> solar isn't what it's cracked up to be, imho
[12:14] <gordonDrogon> the issue here seems to be people going after the feed-in tarrif.
[12:14] <gordonDrogon> and for that it has to be "professionally" installed. ie. costing 10x more than it should.
[12:14] <gordonDrogon> I self-instlled mine, can't get any feed-in, but it pays for itself in the summer.
[12:14] <Bhaal> It is here for me... I pay like $0.22/kWh that I use from the grid, but for every kWh I push back to the grid the power company pays me $0.50
[12:15] <Bhaal> gordonDrogon: We still have to have a licensed electrician come out and inspect the job even if we aren't doing feed-in...
[12:16] <gordonDrogon> my aim for the garden shed is no double conversions - so finding systems that run of 5/12v, etc.
[12:16] <Bhaal> *shrug* it only cost $1500 in the end to have to all done...
[12:16] <gordonDrogon> I've seen people simply shove a 230v invertor on it then run their low voltage stuff off that...
[12:16] <Bhaal> gordonDrogon: Just don't take your laptop down there...
[12:17] <gordonDrogon> Bhaal, I do plan to take the laptop - that's the aim. I will be providing 19.2v supplies for our laptops.
[12:17] <SpeedEvil> gordonDrogon: 10* is overkill. It's more like 2*
[12:17] <SpeedEvil> (for 4kW arrays)
[12:17] <gordonDrogon> SpeedEvil, yes, it has come down in recent times - still a lot of money up-front.
[12:17] <Bhaal> gordonDrogon: Ahhhh ok, that's not so bad then...
[12:17] <lee> anybody around familiar with the HotPi? or maybe just lirc. I have it set up and sort of working (irrecord picks up things readily), but sending commands is very hit and miss (doesn't work 9 times out of 10 using irsend SEND_ONCE myremote power, for example).
[12:17] <SpeedEvil> gordonDrogon: Indeed. I am violently opposed to feed-in-tarrifs as they're done at the moment.
[12:18] <gordonDrogon> Bhaal, I reckon that if the laptops are taken down fully charged then the batteries/solar are just providing power to the cpu, not to the batteries to charge...
[12:18] <SpeedEvil> gordonDrogon: Especially that it's legal to hook up stuff like immersion heater diverters if you've got gas heating
[12:19] <gordonDrogon> I have serioualy considered just running a tap through a little turbine to charge batteries - no water meter ...
[12:19] <Bhaal> SpeedEvil: I think the laws are vastly different here in Aus... SpeedEvil but I wouldn't be able to see the point in solar PV over there...
[12:19] <SpeedEvil> Bhaal: It depends.
[12:19] <gordonDrogon> there are fields and fields of panels near me now (Devon, SW England).
[12:20] <Bhaal> SpeedEvil: You would be better off with gas conversion, which would also providing heating for house and hot water...
[12:20] <lee> I've verified with a phone camera that the transmitter is transmitting (can't tell what obviously, just that it is doing something), also tried a toilet roll tube around the transmitter to try to direct it a bit, doesn't seem to have any effect
[12:20] <SpeedEvil> Bhaal: If you can do small-scale - it is a fairly rapid payback - if you don't feed back to the grid - if you run your baseload only - with no subsidy
[12:20] <SpeedEvil> Bhaal: due to low average insolation - this is even the case if you double the panel wattage.
[12:20] <ShorTie> i've always what global warming effect all those panels have, black stuff puts off alot of heat when in sun
[12:21] <ShorTie> what=wonders*
[12:21] <SpeedEvil> Bhaal: The problem in that case is that you are paid for solar generation. Even if you use the power internally for solar water heating which is displacing gas.
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[12:21] <Bhaal> SpeedEvil: this would be better, aside from the fact you guys have no gas supply of your own: http://www.bluegen.info/About_Ceramic_Fuel_Cells/
[12:21] <SpeedEvil> Bhaal: which is an overall negative - versus exporting the electricity - carbonwise - which is what they are subsidised for
[12:24] <ShorTie> plus when you have to replace and dispose of those hazardous waste batteries, is it really saving the enviroment over fosil fuels
[12:25] <SpeedEvil> Lead acid batteries are very well recycled
[12:25] <Bhaal> ShorTie: Umm, very little of SLA batteries end up in landfill, the lead is recycled, the acid is recycled and the plastic is recycled..
[12:25] <Bhaal> SpeedEvil: snap
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[12:26] <Bhaal> Its a pity they are so damned expensive
[12:27] <Bhaal> Anyway, back to hacking mesowx to give me dayRain figures...
[12:27] <Bhaal> Fine Offset weather stations do not give that info...
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[12:38] <Xerxes_> lo
[12:39] <Xerxes_> I am programming as a beginner on the ARM assembler in raspbarrypi...
[12:39] <Xerxes_> and there is an instruction I don't understand, and can't find atm in the instruction
[12:39] <Xerxes_> stmdb sp!,{r0,r1,r7}
[12:39] <Xerxes_> stmdb sp!,{r0,r1,r7}
[12:40] <Xerxes_> now, STM is store Many, but I can't find what stmbdb is, and same for the sp!
[12:40] <Xerxes_> Could someone help me out?
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[12:40] * shiftplusone takes a look at the manuals
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[12:42] <Mr_Sheesh> sp prolly stack pointer? guessing
[12:42] <ShorTie> STMFD is s synonym for STMDB , and refers to its use for pushing data onto Full Descending stacks.
[12:42] <shiftplusone> ah
[12:43] <Xerxes_> ah, nice
[12:44] <Xerxes_> and for the sp! ?
[12:45] <ShorTie> i got that from just googling stmdb, i know nothing else
[12:45] <shiftplusone> I haven't done ARM assembly, but as a guess.... stack pointer? And the reference says ! means "Updates base register af
[12:45] <shiftplusone> ter data transfer if ! present (pre-indexed)."
[12:46] <Xerxes_> because I am looking at an example in the ARM instruction set, and at page 42 there is an example using sp! but I don't understand it :p
[12:46] <shiftplusone> maybe you can skim something better from here http://infocenter.arm.com/help/topic/com.arm.doc.qrc0001l/QRC0001_UAL.pdf
[12:46] <shauno> http://stackoverflow.com/a/15587383 seems like quite a reasonable explanation
[12:47] <shiftplusone> I seem to be failing to find the full instruction set >=/
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[12:47] <shiftplusone> At least I got the stack pointer and ! parts, yay.
[12:49] <Xerxes_> aye, I have the full instruction set - although it is from my uni's webpage so it needs a login
[12:49] <Xerxes_> thx alot btw =)
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[12:49] <shiftplusone> I am only finding silly lecture notes and summaries. >=/
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[12:50] <shiftplusone> AVR gets +5 points for their instruction set manuals (ARM looses 5).
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[12:51] <ShorTie> this might help http://sourceware.org/cgen/gen-doc/arm-arm-insn.html
[12:51] <Mr_Sheesh> I've done a lot of non ARM asms for years, ARM's new to me tho
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[12:56] <shiftplusone> but it's just a long winded way of pushing something to stack, isn't it?
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[13:00] <canton7> apparently stmdb sp!, <reglist> is the same as push <reglist>
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[13:00] <canton7> (source: http://infocenter.arm.com/help/topic/com.arm.doc.qrc0001l/QRC0001_UAL.pdf)
[13:01] <Xerxes_> aye!
[13:01] <canton7> ah yes, that's the PDF shiftplusone found
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[14:05] <beaky> hello
[14:05] <beaky> how do i use serial with the beagleboneblack?
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[14:06] <takkie> beaky: this isn't really the channel for Beagle support. Try #beagle
[14:06] <shiftplusone> the pi's serial?
[14:06] <takkie> ow, like that. Sorry, i jumped to conclusion.
[14:07] <beaky> yes i want to hook my pi to y beaglebone black
[14:07] <beaky> via serial
[14:07] <beaky> for low latency comms
[14:08] <shiftplusone> does the bbb use 3.3v logic?
[14:08] <beaky> yes
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[14:08] <beaky> 3v3 for life
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[14:08] <shiftplusone> then you just hook up tx to rx and vice-versa, what's the problem?
[14:08] <beaky> there are like 5 uarts on the bbb
[14:09] <pksato> and gnd to gnd.
[14:09] <shiftplusone> whoops, yes gnd to gnd too, sorry.
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[14:09] <beaky> ok i will try
[14:09] <beaky> hope i dont burn my pi or bbb :D
[14:09] <shiftplusone> I hope you don't burn the pi too >.>
[14:10] <beaky> on the topic of burning... is there a way to probe pins on my pi to see which gpios are burnt?
[14:10] <beaky> maybe some easy linux command i can run
[14:10] <shiftplusone> once you have verified that it's working, you'll probably want to disable kernel output to ttyAMA0 and disable the getty on it in inittab.
[14:10] <pksato> use 220Ohms resistor on serie with connection wires, it prevent shorcircuity
[14:10] <beaky> oh so the ttyAMA0 on the pi is already used?
[14:11] <beaky> wow thats genius 220 ohms
[14:11] <shiftplusone> not by anything important.
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[14:11] <beaky> ok now i wont burn my pi :D
[14:11] <shiftplusone> but yes, the foundation's raspbian image uses the serial for console.
[14:12] <shiftplusone> well, you'll have to try harder
[14:13] <ShorTie> where there is a will, there is a way
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[14:16] <beaky> yay it works
[14:16] <beaky> thanks guys
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[14:17] <beaky> how do i make a DAC with my pi
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[14:19] <shiftplusone> 'make'?
[14:19] <shiftplusone> you'll need a DAC chip
[14:19] <pksato> beaky: you can use pwm or r2r network.
[14:20] <beaky> what chip does the pi itself use to output analog video or audio
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[14:22] <pksato> CBS is generated by GPU, and audio (jack out) use two hardware pwm.
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[14:35] <ioudas> Has anyone seen this before? rtw_cmd_thread: DriverStopped(0) SurpriseRemoved(1) break at line 482 any ideas on why a connected device that was never removed would do this
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[14:36] <ShorTie> a power brown out will make the os think a device has been removed
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[14:37] <ioudas> man, that is really the go to response for everything.
[14:37] <ioudas> isnt it
[14:37] <ShorTie> yup.
[14:38] <ShorTie> have you check the pi's heart bet at tp1-tp2 to see what voltage you have ??
[14:39] <ioudas> ive never seen it lower than 4.8 during any operation
[14:39] <ioudas> 4.81 being the lowest
[14:40] <ShorTie> that is a little on the low side
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[14:41] <ShorTie> what size wire do you have in the micro usb cable feeding the power to the pi ??
[14:41] <ShorTie> that can be problem too...
[14:43] <ioudas> since this started happening during my upgrade to fiq fsm. I will just remove that. I dont think its a power issue.
[14:43] <ioudas> its a usb issue.
[14:43] <ioudas> see if it stops
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[14:47] <[Ex0r]> wow, 8 gigs got eaten up fast >.<
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[15:03] <sweeper> anyone tried xdmx on an rpi, for adding displays to a workstation?
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[15:11] <shiftplusone> ioudas, did it work?
[15:12] <ioudas> i removed it, but time will tell. i dont think the people deploying this project will keep them around. there are way too many usb issues on the pi.
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[15:12] <ioudas> ill know this saturday
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[15:13] <ioudas> if they last that long, we've literally delt with over 12 different usb issues within this month. The fiq fsm branch is still broken in a lot of areas... they just push it into mainline with problems and call it a day..... really says a lot.
[15:14] <ioudas> you would expect for something you buy to not have these huge glaring flaws... you go on the forums ... point them out and ask for help and you get banned.
[15:15] <shiftplusone> you don't seem banned
[15:15] <shiftplusone> or is that a second account?
[15:15] <ioudas> because I havnt pushed it like others who did
[15:15] <ioudas> you can watch the people who do push it... i made a few threads. frigging moderators shout down at you and blame you, when clearly they know they have problems.
[15:16] <ioudas> pretty absurd
[15:16] <ioudas> i think we are gonna go mini itx or atom for this project
[15:16] <ioudas> is what mgmt will decide here today
[15:17] <ioudas> then they also use the red herring of there is no true power source. yours is clearly bad. etc. yada yada yada.
[15:17] <ioudas> always the power source... always
[15:18] <ioudas> well jeeze on on variation 3 of your recommended sources and still have problems, so color me pessimistic.
[15:19] <shiftplusone> well, usually the problem IS the power source. If 9 times out of 10, it's a power issue, of course it's the go to response.
[15:19] <ioudas> heh
[15:19] <ioudas> sure
[15:19] <shiftplusone> I can understand that it would get frustrating when you KNOW your supply is fine and every time you ask anything people point at the power source.
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[15:20] <ioudas> power source is a red herring deflection, so they can not address the real problems with the design. The usb subsystem is a complete joke. Period. These guys fail to acknowledge the problems, then shut you down if you mention them.
[15:20] <ioudas> pretty much says it all
[15:21] <ShorTie> power source, you should look at the power supply the guy uses to demostrate the new pi
[15:21] <ioudas> yeah, that lasts about 1 time until the stuff recommended on forums still has the same problems.
[15:21] <shiftplusone> fail to acknowledge the problems? What about the massive usb redux thread and the whole fiq rewrite thing?
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[15:22] <ioudas> yeah, take a look at my thread when i mentioned the issues. the guy whos writing that driver and made that thread said quote "there are no design problems with the pi" if you have any please bring them forward
[15:22] <ioudas> this stuff reminds me of the logic you hear from religion on the excuses that the pi foundation comes up with
[15:23] <ioudas> excuse, excuse excuse.
[15:24] <pksato> Some power issues is hard to determine without a proper instrumentation. Like a quick voltage drop.
[15:25] <ioudas> lol
[15:25] <ioudas> exactly
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[15:25] <shiftplusone> so what are you thinking of replacing the pi with?
[15:25] <pksato> and rpi dont have a onboard psu to main 5V.
[15:25] <ioudas> atom
[15:26] <ioudas> most likely
[15:26] <ioudas> or mini itx
[15:26] <shiftplusone> cool
[15:26] <ioudas> was lookign at the amd geodes
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[15:29] <ioudas> beagle bones were intersting, they didnt use a broadcom chipset.. used a TI chipset for usb which actually has usb power managment in the chip
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[15:32] <mfa298> reading back slightly. I never believe people that say there are no design problems. There's always problems / bugs you might just not have found them.
[15:32] <ioudas> exactly
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[15:33] <takkie> ioudas: do you know odroid. Dunno if it has usb powermanagement though.
[15:34] <ioudas> if there are no problems then why are you writing the fiq fsm branch. The forum attitude is appoling. I had a moderator call me an idiot tell im trolling, tell you there is no one else expereicing the issues othjer than you. Except every issue I have is in a thread some where on a forum
[15:34] <ioudas> takkie, i havnt played with that.
[15:34] <mfa298> I saw a good talk a while back, one of the comments was that humans don't write code, we write bugs
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[15:34] <ioudas> appauling*
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[15:35] <atouk> it amamzes me when people take asomething and ty to use it beyond it's indended audience or design goals, and then blame the product, or the people involved because it won't behave like something that would cost 4 times more. it's not the pi's fault you expect it to be an industrial computer when it's purpose is education and hobbyist
[15:35] <ioudas> you mean like sticking a keyboard in it and expecting it to work
[15:35] <ioudas> lol
[15:36] <ioudas> jesus christ
[15:36] <atouk> no problems with my keyboard
[15:36] <atouk> stuck it on, and it worked
[15:36] <ioudas> oh nice defense. I dont experience the problem so problems dont exist
[15:36] <ioudas> must be a forum moderator
[15:37] <mfa298> I don't think I've tried a keyboard on a Pi for ages to find out if any of mine work.
[15:37] <ioudas> how about the fact your recommended wna 1110 when it disconnects from an AP will entirely freeze a pi.. not a kernel panic.. a frigging freeze.
[15:37] <atouk> then just find a different board that suits your needs, and move on.
[15:37] <ioudas> lol
[15:37] <ioudas> classic
[15:37] <shiftplusone> hmm... is this going to get ugly soon?
[15:37] <shiftplusone> (or has it already?)
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[15:37] <mfa298> but I had lots of issues pugging in USB audio devices. Including one which had it's own power supply so shouldn't have been drawing any power from the pi
[15:37] <ioudas> who cares ;-)
[15:38] <ioudas> this is the kinda response you get though for any issue you bring up... there are like 3 goto moves. like that
[15:38] <atouk> so the pi is sensative to hot plugging. it's a 35 dollar board ffs
[15:39] <ioudas> hot plugging? the ap disconnects while its plugged in ace.
[15:39] <ioudas> and it freezes
[15:39] <ioudas> lol
[15:39] <atouk> ooh, i'm ace now
[15:39] <ioudas> yeah
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[15:42] <atouk> ok, so you don't tlike the design, you don't like the software, you don't like the people behind it. you're sure using a lot of energy and time in a place dedicated to things you don't like and will never suit your needs.
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[15:43] <ioudas> sure am, its not like im trying to work and bring the issues to light. Apparently i should just i guess not mention them and shut up because it hurts your feelings. please, defend how a device listed as supported when it loses network connection will entirely freezes . your device. I guess your argument is its cheap! so there for its allowed to now work since apprently its cheap. I guess next time i get a dollar burger at a fast food joint i wont compl
[15:43] <ioudas> ain it it just has some buns and kethcup. But youre right, we should just ignore the problems.
[15:43] <ioudas> not work*
[15:44] <ioudas> should just be happy it doesnt work, followed your advice it doesnt work, chuck 35 bux in a sink and not talk to people about how they should fix it. great argument.
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[15:45] <DexterLB> I want to use the Pi as a router. What's the best way to choose a wifi usb stick that would work as an AP?
[15:45] <shiftplusone> DexterLB, doesn't make the best AP. Do you care about speed?
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[15:46] <atouk> well, i never had any issues with keyboards, mice, USB HD, software, etc that wasn't of my own doing. Maybe we should just work from the assumption that it's not the board that is defective, but the user.
[15:46] <ioudas> goto response #3 check
[15:46] <ioudas> lol
[15:46] <ioudas> guess since there is no problems you guys should delete those usb threads then
[15:46] <ioudas> lol
[15:46] <DexterLB> shiftplusone: on wifi - not really. I will also have an usb<->lan interface, that's where I'll need more speed
[15:46] <ioudas> you are too funny
[15:48] <ioudas> i imagine youre a moderator. shouldnt you be banning people for bringing problems and complaints on a forum about your product
[15:48] <ioudas> lol
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[15:48] <ioudas> cant even write this stuff
[15:48] <atouk> anyone the believes that the USB spec is perfect and without problems in the best of conditions, isn't paying attention. naturally there will be issues. but that doesn't diminish what the board has done in it's price/performance/target
[15:48] <atouk> not a mod
[15:49] <atouk> just someone with realistic expectatiosn of what the board is
[15:49] <shiftplusone> ioudas, I'm a mod, but I am staying out of it. You're just talking to other pi users here.
[15:49] <ioudas> interesting i didnt know you were one...
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[15:49] <ioudas> didnt see that by your names in the forums... either way youre a good egg.
[15:49] <ioudas> not all of em are bad
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[15:51] <shiftplusone> Yay, I'm an egg. But to disappoint you, I am 70% with atouk on this one. I think criticism (and being able to take it well) is important, but there are better way to go about it than this. Though i understand this is a bit of a 'last straw' situation for you and you've been through it several times already, so I see why you're frustrated.
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[15:53] <ioudas> hey to each their own ;-) your responses are generally helpful. the problem i have is if you didnt want that kind of response you need to moderate your forums better. moderators calling people trolls and idiots doesnt serve you well
[15:53] <mfa298> atouk: personally I'd agree that a lot of the issues on the Pi are user generated. especially of the form of using a cheap phone charger and cheapest possible usb cable to power it (the sort there the copper content is almost non existant). but there certainly have been some issues in the USB stack on the pi, although I've not really kept up with what's happening, more interesting things to worry about.
[15:54] <ioudas> we can agree to disagree, the staggering number of usb issues on your forums are there for everyone to see though
[15:54] <ioudas> but atleast youve been polite, helpful. friendly. which is not the case for a lot of things
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[15:54] <atouk> i agree taht the USB may not like everythign pluged into it, but to be fair, it wasn't designed to be an industrial controller.
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[15:55] <shiftplusone> damn... have an xkcd in mind, but can't find it >=/
[15:55] <ioudas> where i am at personally is i would not recommend it even in an educational setting. but each has their own vested interests on what 35 buys them
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[15:55] <SirLagz> I don't get why some people seem to have lots of issues while some other people don't have many issues at all
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[15:56] <ioudas> the idea this is also marketed for education hacking only is suspect at best.
[15:56] <SirLagz> ioudas: why is it suspect ?
[15:56] <ioudas> tmho there needs to be a lot more accountability
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[15:56] <ioudas> just take a look at the material and content
[15:56] <ioudas> and judge
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[15:57] <SirLagz> ioudas: which material ? which content ? Most of the stuff available now isn't even written by the Pi foundation as far as I can tell
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[15:57] <mfa298> I'd say it's a great tool for education and hacking and there are lots of people in one of the other channels on here where people have done some great learning with a Pi
[15:58] <shiftplusone> ah, no wonder I couldn't find the XKCD... it's because it wasn't an XKCD! http://www.smbc-comics.com/comics/20140423.png
[15:58] <atouk> so then why come here and demand fixes, and at the same time repeatedly post that it's inadequite and not to buy/use one. this is a support board where poeple who appreciate what the little board is exchange ideas. not a place to play "poor me" it won't do what I want, and constantly bitch for the attention
[15:58] <mfa298> I've got two Pi's as home with boards on top that I've made up myself with interesting stuff on them. I just need to find some time to finish the code
[15:59] <SirLagz> shiftplusone: lol
[15:59] <SirLagz> I've used my Pis for nothing that they were intended for :D
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[16:03] <shiftplusone> DexterLB, as a general rule, check that the chipset is supported on linux and works well with hostapd. Make sure you use a powered hub and avoid the 'nano' wifi adapters. But remember that the LAN and USB bandwidth is shared, so it's not going to be great.
[16:03] <DexterLB> shiftplusone: the pi has one hub for everything, right?
[16:04] <shiftplusone> yeah
[16:05] <SirLagz> RT5370 is the best for APs in my experience
[16:05] <SirLagz> all the others require different version of hostapd and whatnot
[16:05] <SirLagz> though I haven't messed around with the stuff in a while
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[16:06] <mfa298> I think it was RT5370's I've used on a Pi and had them running in AP mode.
[16:06] <SirLagz> probably
[16:06] <DexterLB> I was looking into Atheros AR9271
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[16:06] <SirLagz> I haven't played with any Atheros devices yet, purely because of lack of money
[16:06] <SirLagz> though i've had a look at some of the specs of the atheros devices, and some look very promising
[16:07] <mfa298> you can get the RT5370 with detachable antennas which would work better than the small ones with everything enclosed
[16:07] <SirLagz> mfa298: yep, they're the only ones I buy. Though they tend to die after about 6 months of 24/7 usage as an AP
[16:08] <mfa298> Atheros certainly used to have a good name as being a good chipset and good support (although I don't think I've looked at anything since 802.11g)
[16:08] <beaky> how do i imporve the efficiency of my pi?
[16:08] <beaky> can i replace the 5v regulator with a proper smps
[16:09] <SirLagz> beaky: yes
[16:09] <shiftplusone> beaky, do you need ethernet?
[16:09] <beaky> yes
[16:09] <shiftplusone> nvrm then
[16:09] <mfa298> beaky: depending on what you're doing with it it's possible to remove 5v completly and just power it from 3v3
[16:09] <beaky> but i need the usbs
[16:10] <mfa298> that might need 5V then - although some USB devices just have a smps / ldo inside so will work with lower.
[16:11] <beaky> i love my rapsbery pi
[16:11] <beaky> btw how does model b compare to that new raspberyr pi stick
[16:11] <SirLagz> beaky: don't we all :D
[16:11] <SirLagz> beaky: model B is already setup. The stick has some onboard storage, and nothing is setup
[16:12] <beaky> wow so i have to install a whole os on the stick
[16:12] <SirLagz> beaky: unless you want to build your own PCB, you won't be able to use the stick
[16:12] <beaky> yeah desining multilayer boards turns me of
[16:12] <beaky> off*
[16:12] <SirLagz> beaky: at least not until people get some ready made boards out
[16:12] <shiftplusone> beaky, it's for a different market. It's not cost-effective for folks like us.
[16:13] <SirLagz> shiftplusone: not until someone brings out some awesome PCBs :D
[16:13] <shiftplusone> it will still cost more than another comparable ARM, I think.
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[16:13] <atouk> wonder who will have the first "supercomputer" backplane with slots for 8/17/32 boards
[16:13] <atouk> (16)
[16:13] <beaky> pi supercomputer, hah
[16:13] <SirLagz> shiftplusone: probably
[16:14] <SirLagz> atouk: have you seen the parallelar ? boards ?
[16:14] <atouk> no
[16:14] <SirLagz> http://www.adapteva.com/parallella-board/
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[16:15] <mfa298> compute module (the stick) probably only makes sense for those that want lots of pis together in a cluster or access to the extra io (2x Cameras)
[16:16] <SirLagz> mfa298: or those who don't want all those extra ports that they don't want, or want acces to the extra GPIOs that it will expose
[16:16] <shiftplusone> I think it only make sense in an industrial setting myself.
[16:16] <SirLagz> shiftplusone: I can imagine a few commercial settings it'd be used in
[16:16] <SirLagz> digital signage for example
[16:16] <shiftplusone> that was going to be my next sentence.
[16:16] <SirLagz> heh
[16:17] <mfa298> I'd be tempted by a Pi cluster or having a board with ethernet and 2 cameras but I don't think I'll have the time
[16:17] <SirLagz> mfa298: you'd have to put the ethernet onto the board yourself though
[16:17] <SirLagz> with your own PHY, own chipset, etc
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[16:18] <mfa298> I've started looking at what it would cost to put a board together like that but I think it's probably beyond my skill level.
[16:18] <SirLagz> mfa298: definitely beyond mine haha
[16:18] <SirLagz> at least for now
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[16:18] <mfa298> I might do it as a long term project - assuming I can get hold of the required chips.
[16:18] <SirLagz> shiftplusone: Pi Compute module could also be usedto make an open source mobile phone...security devices...the list goes on !
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[16:19] <beaky> an open phone would be the best thing ever
[16:19] <shiftplusone> psh, we already have the piphone
[16:19] <SirLagz> shiftplusone: but that's clunky :P
[16:19] <SirLagz> pi compute module would make it so much cleaner
[16:19] <shiftplusone> apple has a patent on non-clunky!
[16:19] <SirLagz> shiftplusone: hahaha
[16:19] <SirLagz> I do like the PiPhone though
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[16:20] <SirLagz> shiftplusone: I'd wanted to do that, but never found the time to get around to doing it
[16:20] <SirLagz> shiftplusone: though mine was just going to be a VOIP phone, not a full mobile phone
[16:20] <shiftplusone> but yeah, the compute model is a bit big for a phone isn't it? given that it will still need a GSM module and a sound card type thing.
[16:21] <shiftplusone> I suppose voip and bluetooth headset could cut that all down a fair bit.
[16:21] <SirLagz> shiftplusone: but now that I've rooted a Telstra modem and used it as an ATA, it's somewhat a moot point now
[16:21] <shiftplusone> but still
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[16:21] <SirLagz> shiftplusone: the pi compute module is smaller than the Pi itself
[16:21] <shiftplusone> sure, but that's not a good benchmark for what's acceptable for a phone
[16:22] <SirLagz> shiftplusone: and if someone was designing a PCB for a proper PiPhone, they could cram a lot of stuff into a couple of PCBs
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[16:22] <mfa298> you could get something fairly small. You'll just need some good soldering skills
[16:22] <SirLagz> shiftplusone: well seeing as how most phones are quite a bit bigger than a pi...lol
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[16:22] <shiftplusone> just because of the screens though
[16:23] <SirLagz> shiftplusone: true
[16:23] <shiftplusone> the actual electronics there are tiny
[16:23] <SirLagz> screen and battery
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[16:23] <SirLagz> wonder if the Pi would use more or less power than a phone like a Samsung S5...
[16:23] <shiftplusone> a small main board and some boards for the antenae, speakers and mic around the edges.
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[16:24] <ioudas> looks like we are going with atom
[16:24] <shiftplusone> OpenMoko is where it's at! (are they even around anymore? >_<)
[16:24] <SirLagz> openmoko ?
[16:24] * SirLagz googles
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[16:24] <SirLagz> heh intresting
[16:25] <SirLagz> shiftplusone: did you ever see 'phonebloks' ?
[16:25] <shiftplusone> aye
[16:25] <SirLagz> shiftplusone: i want that now lol
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[16:25] * shiftplusone doesn't think it's practical
[16:26] <SirLagz> shiftplusone: neither do i, i still think it's a neat idea :D
[16:26] <shiftplusone> hell, you drop a phone now and your battery and lid go flying out. Imagine dropping a phonebloks type phone..... D=
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[16:26] <SirLagz> shiftplusone: hahah
[16:26] <SirLagz> I'm sure they'd supply a case to stop that from happening :P
[16:27] <shiftplusone> Jolla looks interesting too
[16:27] <SirLagz> yep
[16:27] <SirLagz> definitely
[16:27] <shiftplusone> a bit low spec-wise and pricey, but I'll be keeping an eye on them as my next phone maybe.
[16:28] <SirLagz> yeah same. my contract is almost up so gonna keep an eye out
[16:29] <shiftplusone> I am waiting for my current one to die, but apparently Samsung make quality phones.
[16:29] <SirLagz> haha
[16:29] <SirLagz> htc don't :P
[16:29] <shiftplusone> (so maybe I'll stick with samsung)
[16:29] <shiftplusone> HTC sure don't
[16:29] <shiftplusone> well, HTC is kind of like a box of chocolates.\
[16:29] <SirLagz> i've had a whole 2 smart phones. HTC Desire, which did pretty well
[16:30] <SirLagz> then the HTC Velocity, which is a steaming pile of dung.
[16:30] <SirLagz> the only good thing about the velocity - 4G
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[16:30] <SirLagz> apart from that, i hate it
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[16:32] * shiftplusone reflects on definition of 'quality' nowadays.
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[16:32] <shiftplusone> There are still people with Nokia 3310s around
[16:32] <SirLagz> nowadays, 'quality' means it won't break before the warranty ends lol...
[16:32] <ioudas> heh, if you wanna look at quality nowadays walk into a radioshack
[16:32] <shiftplusone> yet a samsung phone works for a few years and it's considered good. >_<
[16:32] <SirLagz> it'll break the day *after* the warranty ends
[16:33] <ioudas> that makes me so depressed
[16:33] <SirLagz> shiftplusone: i know hey
[16:33] <SirLagz> ioudas: Radioshack ? What's that ? :P
[16:33] <ioudas> trust me, you dont wanna know anymore ;-)
[16:33] <SirLagz> ioudas: haha
[16:33] <shiftplusone> yank version of jaycar but more dick smith-like, from what I gather.
[16:33] <SirLagz> shiftplusone: yeah that's what I gather too
[16:34] <ioudas> use to be like an electronics hobby store, now its a run down best buy with less selection and the prices are 4x normal
[16:34] <SirLagz> I actually have a few things from Radioshack
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[16:34] <SirLagz> no idea how i got them though since I've never been to the States
[16:34] <shiftplusone> heh
[16:34] <ioudas> The store use to have isles of stuff for electronics.. now its confined to 1 plastic roll out shelf
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[16:34] <ioudas> rest is cheap junk
[16:34] <SirLagz> sounds like our Dick Smiths lol
[16:34] <mfa298> I think Radioshack is similar to what Tandy used to be in the UK
[16:34] <SirLagz> Dickies used to have some awesome stuff
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[16:34] <SirLagz> now Dickies is all consumer junk
[16:35] <shiftplusone> Jaycar isn't too bad yet. You can still drop by and pick up some proper electronics. Pricey, but convenient still.
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[16:35] <Mr_Sheesh> Radio Shack is now Cell Phone Shack other'n that
[16:35] <shiftplusone> My city has Rocky Electronics as well, which is pretty good.
[16:35] <SirLagz> shiftplusone: yeah, Jaycar is normally where I get my stuff from. Still expensive though :(
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[16:36] <SirLagz> ebay is so much cheaper a lot of the time, but I just don't want to wait haha
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[16:36] <ioudas> the business model of radio shack went from DIY eletronics and geek projects tos basically: we have some odd ends stuff you could use. so were only here if you need that 1 small item at 4x the cost. IE some solder and maybe 1 bread board.
[16:36] <shiftplusone> and aliexpress
[16:36] <SirLagz> shiftplusone: yep. and DealExtreme
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[16:37] <shiftplusone> if you're desperate, element14 >.>
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[16:37] <SirLagz> haha
[16:37] <SirLagz> I'm almost never that desperate
[16:37] <SirLagz> the only time I was that desperate...the thing i was trying to save died before they could send me the part
[16:37] <ioudas> everyone knows you just order everything else online... like their 5v power blocks are 27$... for a wall plug...
[16:37] <shiftplusone> If you're REALLY disparate, digikey and a kidney for shipping.
[16:37] <shiftplusone> disparate? thanks spell-check.
[16:37] <SirLagz> bahaha
[16:37] <SirLagz> not spill-chick ? :P
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[16:38] <shiftplusone> heh
[16:38] <Encrypt> Hi mgottschlag o/
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[16:39] <shiftplusone> but yeah, the excuse Dick Smith used for turning all consumer was that the DIY culture isn't like it used to be. People don't fix electronics, they replace them. So they couldn't stay in business as a proper electronics store.
[16:39] <SirLagz> riiiiight...and that's why Jaycar is still in business ?
[16:40] <SirLagz> bloody business people
[16:40] <ioudas> yeah thats the same reasoning behind radio shack
[16:40] <shiftplusone> raynerd, weather station video looks good.
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[16:43] <shiftplusone> Though I wonder why your light level is measured in ohms O_o
[16:44] <shiftplusone> and what volume is and why it's in mV =O
[16:44] <SirLagz> haha
[16:44] <SirLagz> probably a light sensor that gets less ohms as it gets darker...
[16:44] <shiftplusone> yeah
[16:44] <SirLagz> or is it the other way around...i forget
[16:45] <shiftplusone> higher resistance -> darker
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[16:45] <shiftplusone> (checked the images to see what it was when it was cloudy)
[16:45] <SirLagz> haha nice
[16:46] <SirLagz> my webcam had a light sensor to turn on it's IR LEDs when it got dark
[16:46] <SirLagz> I haven't been able to find another webcam with the same specs, but that one with IR LEDs was awesome !
[16:46] <shiftplusone> nice
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[16:48] <SirLagz> i used it as a security camera cos it could see in the night
[16:48] <SirLagz> but then the CMOS sensor got burn in lol
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[16:54] <SirLagz> hm. I burn some pretty random crap to CD
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[16:54] <shiftplusone> you still burn CDs or just found an old stash?
[16:54] <SirLagz> shiftplusone: found an old stash
[16:54] <shiftplusone> ah
[16:55] <SirLagz> but i still burn CDs occasionally
[16:55] <SirLagz> like that Debian install CD for my Pentium 3 :D
[16:56] <shiftplusone> hm
[16:57] <SirLagz> and why didn't I label my CDs !??!?!
[16:57] <SirLagz> damn you young sirlagz
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[16:57] <shiftplusone> heh
[16:57] <SirLagz> hmm...I'm assuming this as a Mandrake install cd
[16:57] <SirLagz> Mandrake Linux 9 haha
[16:59] <SirLagz> might try and install that onto a machine sometime
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[17:01] <shiftplusone> sorry, I got distracted with skyrim for a while there >.>
[17:01] <SirLagz> haha
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[17:01] <SirLagz> unzipped.zip is a great filename that I used. most descriptive.
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[17:02] <shiftplusone> nice.... kind of like not_a_tarball.tar.gz
[17:03] <SirLagz> haha yep
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[17:04] <SirLagz> i wonder if the Pi could handle virtualisation of any kind well...
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[17:05] <mfa298> I had a pi running RiscOS with an acorn emulator on it and had it running and old RiscOS game if that counts as virtualisation.
[17:05] <SirLagz> mfa298: nice
[17:05] <SirLagz> mfa298: but not quite what I was thinking haha
[17:05] <SirLagz> anyway bed time. nighty night
[17:06] <mfa298> I'm not sure I'd want to try anything much more complex in terms of emulation / virtualisation
[17:08] <Xerxes_> peeps
[17:08] <shiftplusone> 'night
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[17:08] <shiftplusone> hell, people are running win 98 on the pi in qemu
[17:08] <shiftplusone> well.... 'running'
[17:09] <Xerxes_> I am trying to program on my raspberry pi through the ARM assembly... I am having huge problem making a program that takes input from the user
[17:09] <shiftplusone> and by people I mean one guy and a few of his disciples.
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[17:09] <shiftplusone> Xerxes_, bare metal or linux?
[17:09] <Xerxes_> I have googled for tutorials on it, but can only find hello world programs so far
[17:09] <shiftplusone> brb
[17:10] <Xerxes_> bare metal
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[17:16] <shiftplusone> what sort of input? usb keyboard?
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[17:20] <shauno> does anyone know off-hand, if you send a gpio high in software, what state it's in when the kernel has shutdown?
[17:21] <shiftplusone> not off-hand
[17:21] <Xerxes_> shiftplusone, keyboard - in the terminal
[17:21] <Xerxes_> I'm making a very basic program, this is the first thing I'm doing in assembly
[17:21] <shauno> I may have to quit being lazy then ;)
[17:22] <shiftplusone> Xerxes_, you're 100% sure you understood what I meant by bare metal?
[17:22] <shiftplusone> because it sounds like you're using linux
[17:22] <Xerxes_> no, I'm not 100% sure about anything atm :p
[17:22] <Xerxes_> I know I am writing in ARM assembly language :)
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[17:23] <shiftplusone> Xerxes_, do you run your program by placing it as kernel.img or simply ./something ?
[17:23] <Xerxes_> I do ./nameoffile
[17:23] <shiftplusone> then it's not bare metal (that's good)
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[17:25] <shiftplusone> figured out how to use syscalls, yeah?
[17:25] <Xerxes_> yeah, roughly
[17:26] <Xerxes_> for example, the read call is #3 and placing it in r7
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[17:26] <shiftplusone> (I am trying to figure this out as I go, I haven't done ASM much, so bear with me_
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[17:27] <Xerxes_> well, thx alot for helping out :)
[17:28] <Xerxes_> the thing is, I have made a helloworld program that prints hello world into the terminal - but I'm lost as how to take design the input :/
[17:29] <shiftplusone> yeah, looks like syscall 3 is the one of interest.
[17:30] <Xerxes_> from what I have gathered, some registers are pre-defined to do certain stuff. Like r2 is used to determine how long strings can be, r7 is used to place syscalls in, etc
[17:31] <shiftplusone> I don't know what the conventions are on ARM, but yes.
[17:31] <shiftplusone> can I see your output example so I can adapt a read from it?
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[17:33] <gordonDrogon> shauno, it's changed to input/high impedance just before the ARM halts - as I understand it.
[17:33] <gordonDrogon> I know at least one board that takes advantage of that to remove power completely...
[17:34] <shauno> that's exactly what I'm trying to do - detect a finished shutdown rather than just waiting n seconds and praying
[17:35] <Xerxes_> shiftplusone, sure - just gonna paste to pastebin
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[17:36] <shiftplusone> Xerxes_, in a nutshell, you use syscall 3, and pass the file descriptor (0), write location (address), and the number of bytes to read. The same way you write, just slightly different parameters.
[17:37] <shiftplusone> You can put it in a loop to read one char at a time until the user presses enter to make it a little more practical.
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[17:39] <Xerxes_> http://pastebin.com/s8v11DWw
[17:40] <Xerxes_> there we go, had to paste it form my raspberry, and the internet on that thing is not really that fast :p
[17:40] <shiftplusone> sec, choking.
[17:40] <shiftplusone> damn tea tried to kill me.
[17:41] <Xerxes_> hehe, yeah - tea is the new dangerous thing
[17:41] <Xerxes_> living on the edge, etc
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[17:43] <shiftplusone> Yeah, I think I am a bit too rusty for this right now. Would need to brush up on ARM assembly and assembly in general first.
[17:44] <shiftplusone> I don't see where you are loading the write syscall
[17:44] <Xerxes_> anyway, yeah - my main problem (I think...) is that I don't know how to save something -
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[17:44] <shiftplusone> I assume there is some magic hidden away in bl _IOwrite ?
[17:45] <Xerxes_> I mean, when you make the read syscall, it can't be sacved onto r7... because in r7 you have the syscall
[17:45] <Xerxes_> oh, shit - I forgot to paste that, you are correct
[17:45] <Xerxes_> 2 sec
[17:45] <shiftplusone> Also, take note of the channel rules >_<
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[17:47] <Xerxes_> http://pastebin.com/Lv7qqrBg
[17:48] <Xerxes_> aye, sorry for language
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[17:50] <shiftplusone> mov r0,#1
[17:50] <shiftplusone> is that setting the file descriptor to stdout?
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[17:51] <oakkitten> if i move sudo and shutdown to a tmpfs, will i be able to reboot pi in case of a disk failure?
[17:52] <shiftplusone> oakkitten, interesting approach. I don't see it working, but it's interesting.
[17:52] <oakkitten> :<
[17:53] <shauno> I think each of those depend on quite a few other things too
[17:53] <mfa298> you potentially need any libraries they use (and libraries used by those libaries etc.)
[17:53] <shiftplusone> are you familiar with magic keys, oakkitten ? (REISUB) ?
[17:53] <mfa298> unless there's a .static version of them
[17:53] <oakkitten> magic keys? no
[17:53] <Xerxes_> shiftplusone, yeah - afaik
[17:54] <oakkitten> (i'm looking for any way to reboot pi without disk access)
[17:54] <shiftplusone> oakkitten, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Magic_SysRq_key
[17:54] <oakkitten> (or set up a watchdog to do it in a sensible way)
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[17:55] <shiftplusone> alt+prtsc/sysrq+b should do it.
[17:55] <oakkitten> i don't have physical access to the pi
[17:55] <shiftplusone> (without trying to kill applications or anything of the sort (unsafe)
[17:55] <shiftplusone> oh
[17:55] <oakkitten> i can run a single command upon ssh authentication, that's it
[17:56] <shiftplusone> my mind is a bit elsewhere to figure that one out, but it should be doable.
[17:56] <shauno> I'm curious, where's your disk?
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[17:56] <mfa298> if you've lost disk access I'd just pull the power.
[17:57] <oakkitten> i uh.. still don't have physical access to the pi
[17:57] <shiftplusone> Xerxes_, last question.... which assembler are you using?
[17:57] <mfa298> I'd missed that bit as I was typing that sorry.
[17:57] <shauno> (eg, how does rebooting solve the situation - you're not just going to boot back into the bad fs?)
[17:57] <oakkitten> except i can call my grandma and she'll go and reboot it via master power switch
[17:57] <oakkitten> but that's not very cool
[17:58] <Xerxes_> shiftplusone, ARM
[17:58] <mfa298> if you had access to another pi (or somewhere similar) you could compile a static version of shutdown/reboot, copy over to the remote tmpfs and then run it
[17:58] <shiftplusone> Xerxes_, assembler.... gas, fasm, nasm...... ?
[17:58] <mfa298> although dependong on why you've lost the filesystem it may not reboot cleanly
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[17:58] <oakkitten> would it be hard to compile a static version of shutdown/reboot? and sudo
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[17:59] <mfa298> should be a case of get the source; ./configure; make (using suitable flags for ./configure usually --static and possibly any others to make it get config from the right place
[18:00] <oakkitten> ah. great. i'll look into this, thanks
[18:00] <mfa298> sudo might be more tricky as it probably needs to be suid root (which requires root access to setup)
[18:00] <shiftplusone> Xerxes_, nevermind, making a little 'echo' example. Might take me a little while since as I said... rusty.
[18:00] <shiftplusone> I think using a watchdog is the clear way to go here, oakkitten
[18:01] <Xerxes_> shiftplusone, sorry - I'm a n00b on this, I do't know what assembler it is
[18:01] <Xerxes_> I thought there was only one, for each processor?
[18:01] <oakkitten> shiftplusone: i'm using it, but it's not detecting disk failure
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[18:02] <oakkitten> the files it's monitoring are somehow magically working
[18:02] <oakkitten> and i can't monitor file update times since pi doesn't have a real time clock
[18:02] <shiftplusone> Xerxes_, nuh there are lots of different ones. It's the program which converts the assembly file to an actual binary. In your case, I think you're using gcc's tools.
[18:02] <mfa298> could the watchdog detect (or be triggered by) a fork bomb perhaps (that should generate lots of cpu activity)
[18:02] <shauno> you probably want to hit something like $(tempfile) instead of specific files. just touch them & remove them, and trip if either fails. using a set file means you'll hit caches
[18:03] <oakkitten> uh... i don't think watchdog can do that, can it?
[18:04] <shauno> I have no idea, I didn't realise 'watchdog' is a specific tool
[18:04] <Xerxes_> shiftplusone, oh - ok
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[18:22] <freeroute> oh man why do I suck at this so much
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[18:23] <freeroute> I'm just trying to connect my laptop to a Pi using ethernet cable only. I set the Pi's eth0 as 10.0.0.4 and my laptop as 10.0.0.3 and I still can't ping from Pi to laptop as well as from laptop to Pi
[18:24] <freeroute> what on earth am I doing wrong
[18:24] <mfa298> are the devices showing the link as being active (extra led's lit on the Pi)
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[18:25] <freeroute> yep, FDX, LNK and 100 are all lit up
[18:25] <vexter> freeroute add default route
[18:26] <freeroute> in syslog of the Pi I see that it tries to use DHCP to obtain address, but that's weird because I explicitly said to the Pi: "sudo ifconfig eth0 10.0.0.4"
[18:26] <mfa298> shouldn't need a default rotue just to ping the other device.
[18:26] <shauno> changing it with ifconfig won't survive across reboots
[18:26] <mfa298> freeroute: it will still try to use dhcp, using ifconfig like that is just a way to temporarily configure it
[18:27] <shauno> also, do you have any other connections on your laptop (eg, wifi?) also trying to use 10.0.0.x ?
[18:27] <freeroute> wifi is having a 192.x.x.x address
[18:27] <freeroute> lemme check the ifconfig output again
[18:27] <mfa298> you might want to check if both ends have kept the address - and possibly look to configuring the addresses manually (/etc/netowrk/interfaces on rasbian)
[18:28] <freeroute> oh hmm, tun0 on laptop is having addr:10.0.0.2
[18:28] <shauno> this is why the first (well .. third?) thing on do on my pis is turn ipv6 back on
[18:28] <freeroute> and AFAIK tun0 and tun1 is used by openvpn
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[18:29] <freeroute> mfa298: but isn't doing "sudo ifconfig eth0 10.0.0.4" the same as configuring it manually?
[18:29] <mfa298> freenode what netmask does tun0 list as using
[18:30] <shiftplusone> Xerxes_, success
[18:30] <mfa298> freeroute: ifconfig it will configure the interface manually for that session but won't stop anything else that's trying to manage the interface (dhclient, NetworkDamager etc)
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[18:31] <freeroute> mfa298: tun0 Mask:255.255.255.255
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[18:32] <mfa298> using .3 and .4 might work then although not ideal. Probably worth changing to 10.1.0.x or 10.0.1.x (or anything else for the 1)
[18:33] <shiftplusone> Xerxes_, it's ugly an messy and I am not 100% sure what I am doing, but it works. http://paste.debian.net/97063/
[18:33] <mfa298> you might also want to check the Mask for eth0 is 255.255.255.0 (otherwise specify when you configure the interface)
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[18:34] <b0yz> ?
[18:34] <mfa298> if you want this to survive across reboots it's probably worth looking to how to configure it permanently (/etc/network/interfaces on raspbian)
[18:35] <bruxc> Greatings. I'm currently following this dude's tutorial: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xarq3PI5zTw |||| I seem to be having some issues and was hoping to get some assistance. I can provide more information to the issue.
[18:35] <freeroute> mfa298: yeah in /etc/network/interfaces I commented out what was there normally for eth0 and wrote a new rule "iface eth0 10.0.0.4"
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[18:35] <freeroute> but of course that should be changed to 10.1.0.4 or something like that later on to test it
[18:36] <mfa298> freeroute: you'll probably find the rquired syntax is slighly different to that.
[18:36] <freeroute> oh, another new syntax. Yay :p
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[18:36] <bruxc> Getting a network refused when attempting to SSH into a raspbian headless pi
[18:37] <atouk> then you are sending to wrong port, or ssh is disabled
[18:37] <freeroute> bruxc: you mean you want to just connect to RPi using a network cable?
[18:37] <bruxc> Correct.
[18:37] <freeroute> me too :D
[18:37] <bruxc> :) Lets help eachother! Together we can ruin both of our Pi's!
[18:38] <freeroute> mine is already smoking, I'm sure
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[18:38] <mfa298> freeroute: you need to do something like http://pastie.org/9134148
[18:38] <bruxc> Haha.
[18:38] <freeroute> but yeah it's important to give the Pi as well as your laptop/desktop network interface the correct fixed IP addresses
[18:38] <bruxc> I've currently made sure my WLAN is sharing w/ my LAN via ICS
[18:39] <bruxc> I've documented the current IP address thru ipconfig and placed it in the cmdline.txt
[18:39] <mfa298> you'll find lots of examples online but that's the minimum you'll need (add gateway if you want to get to the internet via the laptop - if the laptop is setup to do that)
[18:39] <bruxc> I've confirmed I can ping the address
[18:39] <bruxc> but 'Network Connection Refused"
[18:39] <freeroute> ah, so you have a Wifi interface on the Pi and want to connect using that?
[18:40] <freeroute> AFAIK using the Wifi interface it's possible, but you'll lose Internet connectivity and will only be able to connect to the Pi
[18:40] <m09> I'm trying to setup a button in a pulldown way. The results are not satisfyin. Do you see an obvious mistake? http://public.crydee.eu/_SAM0896.JPG
[18:40] <shiftplusone> Xerxes_, a good, beginner-friendly set set of short tutorials http://thinkingeek.com/2013/01/09/arm-assembler-raspberry-pi-chapter-1/
[18:40] <bruxc> Lunch time. If anyone has things for me to try, could you priv msg me it?
[18:40] <shiftplusone> -1 set
[18:41] <freeroute> bruxc: the way I'm doing is just connecting an ethernet cable to the Pi and then setting static addresses (see the paste of mfa298)
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[18:41] <freeroute> yeah whatever works here I'll just share it with you afterwards :)
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[18:43] <freeroute> mfa298: that gateway thing is definitely interesting and I'd like to read more about it later, but for now I'm going to go with getting basic connectivity with the Pi.
[18:43] <freeroute> I'll maybe even write a tutorial about it, because the current ones are a bit confusing
[18:45] <mfa298> the gateway line just tells the system what the defult gateway is so for laptop<->pi only isn't needed (and will confuse the pi if you've also got the wifi connected to the internet
[18:45] <gordonDrogon> m09, are you connecting the button to the 5v line there?
[18:45] <m09> gordonDrogon: nope, 3v
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[18:45] <gordonDrogon> m09, ok. looks like a green wire on the 5v line.
[18:46] <m09> yeah the angle is weird, the green wire is on the ground
[18:47] <gordonDrogon> m09, and the button is connected to one of the I2C pins?
[18:47] <gordonDrogon> (red wire?)
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[18:48] <m09> red wire = 3v, yellow = pin#25 (GPIO input), green = ground, at least that's what I tried to do
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[18:48] <m09> not sure if it's I2C or not to be honest ^^
[18:48] <gordonDrogon> ah, ok. I thought the red wire was going to the one next to the 3.3v.
[18:49] <m09> yup the angle shifts everything
[18:49] <gordonDrogon> so all you need is bcm_gpio 25 -> button -> 0v. No resistor. You do need to set the internal pull-up resistor though.
[18:49] <gordonDrogon> if you have wiringPi installed, then use the gpio command to check it's working without running a program.
[18:49] <gordonDrogon> gpio -g mode 25 in ; gpio -g read 25
[18:50] <m09> oh I didn't know about that, I'll try :)
[18:50] <m09> I tried with and without the res to no avail (with the internal res set)
[18:50] <m09> but shouldn't it work with the res?
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[18:51] <gordonDrogon> if your circuit is: 3.3v -> R -> button -> 0v and the gpio input is between the R and B then yes, it ought to work.
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[18:51] <gordonDrogon> it will read 1 when the button is open, and 0 when closed.
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[18:51] <m09> so this would be pull-up right?
[18:52] <gordonDrogon> yes.
[18:52] <m09> and 3.3v -> button -> R -> 0v with the gpio input between button and R shouldn't work as pull-down?
[18:52] <johnc-> anybody know how to setup lirc so it emulates a keyboard’s keystrokes?
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[18:53] <gordonDrogon> m09, yes: 3.3 -> B -+- -> R -> 0v ... with -+- being the gpio connection.
[18:53] <gordonDrogon> m09, however the pi has internal pull up and pull down resistors that you can switch on/off via software.
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[18:53] <gordonDrogon> connect 3.3v -> button -> gpio OR 0v -> button -> gpio and set the internal one as appropriate.
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[18:54] <m09> yup I'll do that eventually, I was just wondering why the "manual" way didn't work ^^
[18:54] <m09> but thanks for clarifying :)
[18:56] <m09> when I set up 3.3 -> B -> 0 the pi shuts down
[18:56] <m09> I'm not sure why
[18:56] <gordonDrogon> no resistor.
[18:57] <gordonDrogon> you're shorting the 3.3v line to 0v.
[18:57] <m09> but the button is open
[18:57] <gordonDrogon> or you've got the button the wrong way round - those little buttons short 2 pins together...
[18:57] <gordonDrogon> use a multimeter to check.
[18:57] <m09> I don't have that at my disposal sadly
[18:57] <gordonDrogon> just turn the buttom 90 degrees then.
[18:58] <gordonDrogon> or use a resistor and an led to check.
[18:58] <gordonDrogon> improvise..
[18:58] <shiftplusone> sraue, did you run into issues with ply-image garbling the output?
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[18:59] <sraue> shiftplusone, how it looks? not that i know... at least not if you use the patches we have (there was some work Pi related)
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[19:01] <shiftplusone> sraue, you know how splash.png that comes in the plymouht-lite tar should look like right? the one with the blue swirles and such.
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[19:02] <shiftplusone> I get this instead https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/175702/2014-05-03%2002.59.47.jpg
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[19:02] <sraue> thats not right... you added the patches we use?
[19:03] <shauno> m09: if in doubt with those buttons, use opposite corners - it's impossible to get it the wrong way around like that
[19:03] <shiftplusone> yeah, all of them.
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[19:03] <shauno> (diagonally opposite, that is)
[19:03] <shiftplusone> sraue, what's odd is that it was displaying it fine for a while.
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[19:04] <sraue> hmm you changed something framebuffer related?
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[19:04] <shiftplusone> nothing that I am aware of. Let me check if it happens if I don't start X.
[19:05] <sraue> should look like this: http://i.imgur.com/0JMMu09.png
[19:05] <m09> shauno: I just used opposite corners and now the pi shut down when I click the button, even though the res is set up interally
[19:05] <sraue> oh X can destroy the framebuffer
[19:05] <shiftplusone> yup, and it displayed like that for a while.
[19:05] <shauno> well now you're shorting +ve to ground when you press it, instead of all the time. so the buttons good, but shorting +ve isn't :)
[19:05] <sraue> because the xdriver is also framebuffer related?
[19:06] <bruxc> shiftplusone: miss me bro?
[19:06] <m09> but isn't the internal res supposed to handle that? Sorry for the noob questions :]
[19:06] <shauno> the pullup on the gpio will look after that gpio. but shorting the supply to ground is still really unhealthy for the supply
[19:06] <shiftplusone> sraue, note that the splash runs way before X loads, but I am trying it with lightdm disabled anyway.... aaaand same result.
[19:06] <m09> ok
[19:07] <shiftplusone> bruxc, very much >.>
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[19:07] <shiftplusone> going to check if fbi shows it right.
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[19:08] <bruxc> haha. I have a more cookie cutter issue I was hoping you'd want to assist me on
[19:08] <shiftplusone> what's the issue?
[19:09] <bruxc> freeroute: Hey you mentioned a copy/paste, care to repost?
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[19:09] <bruxc> I'm following this youtube video: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xarq3PI5zTw
[19:09] <bruxc> essentially attempting to assign an IP to my Pi and access SSH like originally planned.
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[19:09] <shauno> m09: when you previously had a resistor going to 3.3, that was an external pullup - it holds a positive on that pin, that the button pulls to 0 to change state
[19:09] <bruxc> It appears it may have the assigned IP but when I PuTTY the bad boy, it gives me a connection refused.
[19:09] <shiftplusone> sraue, fbi loads it fine. Odd.
[19:09] <shauno> when you use an internal pullup, it replaces that resistor completely. you don't still feed 3.3 into the button externally
[19:09] <sraue> shiftplusone, try "/sbin/fbset -g 1 1 1 1 32" and "echo 0 > /sys/class/vtconsole/vtcon1/bind" before you start ply-image and after you exited xorg
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[19:10] <m09> yup ok
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[19:13] <shiftplusone> bruxc, can't help there. Far from expected behaviour. Either SSH is disable for some reason or you're not connecting to the right IP.
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[19:13] <bruxc> k
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[19:14] <m09> shauno: I got it to work but at this point I'm not sure I get why. Anyway, your explanations and shift's made sense, I'll try to medidate on those. Thanks :)
[19:14] <shiftplusone> sraue, nothing. But it doesn't matter, just thouhgt you might know what that's about. Seems to work fine for [Ex0r] and I don't need a splash, so it's not really an issue.
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[19:15] <sraue> ok, never seen such output... and plymouth-lite is almost unmaintained and maybe dead... so for the future we should look for a replacenment
[19:16] <bruxc> shiftplusone: is it normal that the pi has a different subnet?
[19:16] <bruxc> 255.255.0.0 as opposed to 255.255.255.0
[19:16] <shiftplusone> bruxc, depends on the setup. It's normal for ICS when compared to your regular LAN.
[19:16] <bruxc> sounds good
[19:17] <shiftplusone> sraue, you'd think a framebuffer png viewer wouldn't be that tricky. =/
[19:17] <shauno> 'fbi' springs to mind (I use it for exactly that)
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[19:18] <ifjGery> hi
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[19:18] <shiftplusone> shauno, that's what I am currently switching to.
[19:18] <sraue> shiftplusone, ply-image is nothing different then a FB png viewer... and maybe lighter then fbi..
[19:19] <sraue> better is something like busyboxs fbsplash, but it dont works with png`s which is maybe harder for users to create images
[19:20] <shiftplusone> if fbi works, it's not really an issue. I am not rolling a distro for others to use or anything.
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[19:22] <sraue> http://paste.fedoraproject.org/98651/51285139/ fbi needs a lot of stuff - at least if you use leke we in initramfs
[19:22] <sraue> like
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[19:23] <shiftplusone> settled on inittab
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[19:25] <shiftplusone> except I can't figure out how to make it display the image and exit straight away =/
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[19:28] <shauno> I use fbi -T 2 -d /dev/fb1 -noverbose -a /etc/splash.png
[19:28] <shauno> I'm not sure you want -d, but other than that, one of those switches should line up with the manual somewhere
[19:28] <shiftplusone> which just leaves it running on tty2
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[19:29] <shauno> on mine, it exits but leaves the image on the screen
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[19:29] <shiftplusone> 100% sure? check ps for it.
[19:29] <shauno> ohh, it is still there. strange
[19:29] <shiftplusone> yeah
[19:30] <shiftplusone> well, not strange, since that's its expected behaviour
[19:31] <Jusii> I use fbi for splash too, let it run as long as needed and after that kill it
[19:32] <shiftplusone> could kill it in rc.local, I guess, but it seems a bit silly
[19:32] <shauno> well, I didn't realise it was still running because other programs are free to use the framebuffer - and the image returns when they release it
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[19:32] <Jusii> looks like I store the pid under /var/run
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[19:34] <Jusii> but since then we've switched to bootvideo instead
[19:34] <ifjGery> i have a question, i have an i2c OLED display, it has two address, one for data and one for communication, i2cdetect only report one of the addresses, and with i2cset i can not use the other. Any idea hogy to send data to the other address without rewriting the i2c library?
[19:35] <shiftplusone> Jusii, bootvideo?
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[19:36] <Jusii> shiftplusone: instead of splash image, there's now splash video
[19:36] <shiftplusone> I thought it was a program name, but couldn't find it
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[19:36] <Jusii> with omxplayer
[19:36] <shiftplusone> is this all in initramfs?
[19:38] <Jusii> no, during initramfs we have our logo in place of raspberry logo, then switch to video after os boots
[19:39] <Jusii> looks rather nice that way, and was easy to setup...
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[19:39] <shiftplusone> in init.d then? on inittab?
[19:39] <shiftplusone> *or
[19:39] <Jusii> init.d
[19:39] <shiftplusone> ah
[19:40] <Jusii> rcS.d/S01...
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[19:48] <whuffor> I can't find dig or nsupdate in my raspbian. How can I get hold of it?
[19:48] <whuffor> I assume it's in a package, but which one?
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[19:49] <takkie> whuffor: i think it;s dnsutils
[19:49] <ShorTie> you did a 'apt-cache search xxxxxx' for it ??
[19:50] <whuffor> Nope. I'm used to pacman in arch. HAven't used apt-get in years before now :)
[19:50] <whuffor> I'll check for it now, thanks
[19:50] <whuffor> Looks like it's dnsutils. Thanks for the assist ShorTie
[19:51] <ShorTie> No Problem
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[19:54] <ifjGery> hi
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[19:55] <brian1001> Hello everyone
[19:55] <shiftplusone> hi
[19:56] <brian1001> does someone knows if a "nurse call" system exists for the raspberry pi (open source system)
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[19:57] <brian1001> i managed to make a asterisk bases system but im thinking about a complete IP solution
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[20:03] <bruxc> shiftplusone: Not sure if you cared or not, but I found a solution to my problem that I thought I would share.
[20:03] <shiftplusone> bruxc, definitely, what was it?
[20:03] <bruxc> shiftplusone: There seems to be an issue with the ICS on my laptop (W8.1 64-bit).
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[20:04] <bruxc> I tried it on another laptop W7 64bit. worked just fine.
[20:04] <shiftplusone> That's.... that's not a solution >_<
[20:04] <bruxc> There must be some IP confliction or perhaps ICS isn't working correctly on my laptop. I'm not sure if it's a w8 thing altogether but again... it works just fine on w7
[20:04] <shiftplusone> but great to hear it's working now
[20:04] <bruxc> it isn't the solution but it is a solution.
[20:05] <bruxc> That feeling of simultaneous relief and frustration.. not sure if I like it.
[20:05] <shiftplusone> heh
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[20:09] <bruxc> ....question
[20:09] <bruxc> would MalwareBytes play a role in disallowing SSH to take place from laptop to Pi?
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[20:10] <shiftplusone> does it do firewalley stuff?
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[20:14] <bruxc> Yeah.
[20:14] <bruxc> I think so.
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[20:14] <_jdccdevel> Any suggestions for the best wireless USB adapter to buy to turn the Pi into an AP? The one I have uses a RTL8188EUS chipset, it works, but the range sucks and speed are both horrible.
[20:15] <pksato> buy a access point. some model cost less that RPI.
[20:16] <bruxc> er maybe malwarebytes doesn't have firewally stuff.
[20:16] <pksato> try on with ralink or atheros chip/
[20:16] <bruxc> i think my issue is my windows firewall
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[20:18] <_jdccdevel> pksato: Do you know of any models? The only ones I can find use a RTL8188* or RTL8192CU
[20:18] <bruxc> shiftplusone: boom found the issue.
[20:18] <bruxc> Windows 8.1 Firewall
[20:18] <pksato> _jdccdevel: realtek chips are not good.
[20:18] <bruxc> turned the bitch off. Good to go... now how to configure the firewall so it will work with it without completely turning it off.
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[20:19] <bruxc> I am a goooood
[20:20] <pksato> _jdccdevel: http://elinux.org/RPI-Wireless-Hotspot at end have a list of AP supported dongles.
[20:20] <_jdccdevel> pksato: That's what I've discovered... but even the adafruit wifi module uses the RTL8192CU chipset.
[20:20] <bruxc> that's a soft o
[20:21] <bruxc> <3 <3 Xming worked like a charm.
[20:21] <bruxc> So happy.
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[20:27] <RedPanda> hi guys. can u recommend me a good tutorial about installing a web server on the pi?
[20:29] <vexter> RedPanda which their distribution linux?
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[20:29] <shiftplusone> apt-get install nginx
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[20:30] <slow> lighttpd?
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[20:30] <RedPanda> vexter: my pi have raspbian
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[20:35] <theTroy> Hi guys, what is the name of the default file browser for raspbian?
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[20:36] <shiftplusone> While I don't remember off the top of my head, I think it's pcmanfm
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[20:36] <freeroute> mfa298: I copied your paste to /etc/network/interfaces (the only difference being that I gave Pi's eth0 10.0.1.2) but it still doesn't connect. What is the next step of troubleshooting?
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[20:38] <theTroy> shiftplusone: thank you! that is the correct answer :P
[20:38] <shiftplusone> yay
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[20:41] <theTroy> Which logs would best show me what happened at the system start up? I have pi running in a different country (no easy HW access) and it runs 2 systems, each at boot swaps cmdfile to boot into the other OS (as a backup measure). The main system now seems to have stopped responding to ping/ssh access when I run it, but it does still swap the file when I reset the power to the pi.
[20:41] <gordonDrogon> theTroy, try the dmesg command.
[20:42] <gordonDrogon> theTroy, then look at /var/log/syslog, /var/log/kern.log, /var/log/...
[20:42] <theTroy> well not command, I am working with the file system - I cannot actually ssh into the OS as such, but Ill check dmesg
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[20:46] <mfa298> freeroute: you'll need to restart the network interface / reboot after putting that info in. (ifdown eth0; ifup eth0 will probably do the job)
[20:46] <ifjGery> hello everybody, can someone help me with i2c a little?
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[20:54] <freeroute> mfa298: tried the ifup/ifdown method as well as rebooting :(
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[20:56] <mfa298> if it showing the address ?
[20:56] <freeroute> I can't ping from RPi as well as from laptop
[20:56] <mfa298> first thing to do is see if ifconfig is showing the address
[20:56] <freeroute> yes, it is showing up in ifconfig, on laptop however I have to set it up manually using ifconfig eth0 10.0.1.1
[20:56] <vexter> freeroute you setting default route?
[20:57] <vexter> in your rpi?
[20:57] <mfa298> next test might be can you ping the pi's address from the pi ?
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[20:57] <freeroute> vexter: you mean /etc/network/interfaces ?
[20:57] <mfa298> vexter: for this a default route isn't needed it's just a direct connection between the pi and laptop
[20:58] <freeroute> mfa298: from RPi pinging 10.0.1.2 (the Pi's eth0 address) is fine, however pinging 10.0.1.1 (laptop's address) results in Destination host unreachable
[20:58] <vexter> humm
[20:58] <freeroute> *pinging 10.0.1.1 from RPi
[20:58] <vexter> firewall you windows?
[20:58] <vexter> your*
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[21:00] <freeroute> I'm on Ubuntu 12.04
[21:00] <aZz7eCh> is this an appropriate place to seek a little help with python logic and gpio control circuit i'm stuck on ?
[21:00] <freeroute> wait, I think I got it
[21:00] <shiftplusone> aZz7eCh, upi
[21:00] <shiftplusone> my keyboard moved >=/
[21:01] <aZz7eCh> upi?
[21:01] <shiftplusone> aZz7eCh, you'd need to ask the question first.
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[21:03] <freeroute> mfa298: so I reconnected my cable on the laptop, assigned 10.0.1.1 to laptop's eth0 and then could ping 10.0.1.2 (RPi)... for a while. Now it's lost again :S
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[21:03] <mfa298> freeroute: similar test on the laptop (can you ping it's own address from the laptop) could be a useful test
[21:03] <freeroute> I'll try the same sequence once again
[21:04] <aZz7eCh> have a simple python script hooked up to a button... one gpio input, one output. input is a button.. if button is pressed my simple script turns on the output gpio pin and uses time.sleep(10) to pause for required timer length, then switches the output off.
[21:04] <freeroute> it seems after connection is lost, pinging 10.0.1.1 from laptop is not possible as well
[21:04] <mfa298> if the laptop can't ping itself then that's the device to look at - you might need to configure it as a static address in a similar way to what you did on the pi
[21:04] <aZz7eCh> i'm trying to add to the circuit, a second button, on another gpio input pin that can cancel/break the actions of the first button.. ie, stop it early rather than it staying on for the 10 seconds
[21:04] <x29a> freeroute: is the rpi on a busy network segment connected via a hub?
[21:05] <freeroute> x29a: no it's a direct connection to pi using ethernet cable
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[21:07] <x29a> freeroute: any dhcp services on the ubuntu machine? or all configured statically?
[21:07] <shiftplusone> aZz7eCh, are you polling or using interrupts?
[21:07] <freeroute> so as of now it seems the sequence is as follows: assign static IP for RPi at boot, plug ethernet cable into laptop, assign static IP to laptop's eth0 and ping to test
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[21:07] <shiftplusone> gtg. 'night
[21:08] <aZz7eCh> so i guess where i'm stuck, is wondering how i can have it listening for action on the 2nd button, when its presently in a time.sleep of the first while loop
[21:08] <freeroute> x29a: probably, but issuing ifconfig eth0 10.0.1.1 is sufficient to make it static, is it not?
[21:08] <freeroute> shiftplusone: gn
[21:08] <aZz7eCh> shiftplusone, polling or interrupts? no idea
[21:09] <x29a> freeroute: network-manager and co tend to change the ip adress on their own
[21:09] <x29a> but if you checked again when it stopped working, no lcue
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[21:09] <mfa298> freeroute: it's probably worth configuring the laptop in a similar way as you've done on the Pi as that will stop it trying to use dhcp etc.
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[21:10] <aZz7eCh> shiftplusone: i guess, my immediate wondering is if i should be thinking down the lines of running two seperate scripts at the same time ... or if theres a better way of calling a timer to activate a gpio output pin than time.sleep
[21:11] <aZz7eCh> so that i can have it listening for both buttons to control the one gpio out
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[21:12] <freeroute> hmm, yeah it seems that after a while the static IP assignment of my laptop's eth0 goes away. Any command I can issue which sets it more permanently, or do I have to edit /etc/network/interfaces for this too?
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[21:14] <mfa298> freeroute: it's either edit that file or use whatever system is being used to manage the interface.
[21:14] <mfa298> it may be best trying to configure the address through the gui on that as it should do the right thing.
[21:15] <freeroute> but that wouldn't be the CLI way of doing things :p
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[21:17] <Jusii> then use the tools that are provided with the system that handles networking, nmcli for network manager for example
[21:18] <Jusii> but with network manager you can use interfaces file too, afaik network manager ignores those interfaces that are setup there
[21:20] <freeroute> wow nice I didn't know about nmcli
[21:20] <freeroute> this is awesome, now I can use network manager on machines which are headless
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[21:21] <freeroute> oh darnit, it says in the manpage - nmcli is a command-line tool for controlling NetworkManager and getting its status. It is not meant as a replacement of nm-applet or other similar clients.
[21:21] <freeroute> :(
[21:22] <Jusii> you can configure network manager interfaces with text editor too, see /etc/NetworkManager/system-connections
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[21:25] <freeroute> oh cool, all of the wifi AP's are there!
[21:26] <mfa298> for cli systems I usually try not to have network manager at all - although I mostly use RH/CentOS/Fedora for those systems
[21:28] <freeroute> yeah I can imagine that network manager had been developed as a GUI tool at first and as such is meant to be used that way
[21:28] <freeroute> although, what do you use when connecting with wifi?
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[21:30] <mfa298> the systems I setup like that tend to be servers so don't have wifi.
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[21:30] <mfa298> althoguh on a pi that's only using wifi I found wicd as a replacement for network manager which seems to work well and has a console based manager (although didn't quite work over serial)
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[21:31] <mfa298> you can configure wireless with /etc/network/interfaces and wpasupplicant but I found that to be a bit of a pain - especially with static addressses
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[21:33] <ckoch786> does anyone know why have a wire connected to the usb port. I think that it is for ground but is this necessary? http://www.instructables.com/id/Control-Stuff-with-your-Raspberry-Pi-GPIO/?ALLSTEPS
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[21:34] <ckoch786> they could have just used one of the ground pins on the P1 header right?
[21:34] <freeroute> yeah I watched a video about wpa_supplicant one time and it was quite a few steps to actually connect to an AP. If wicd can do it easier then more power to it.
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[22:00] <beaky> what is a raspberry pi
[22:01] <takkie> it's delicious
[22:01] <takkie> bits 'n bytes
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[22:28] <pksato> http://www.raspberrypi.org/living-with-lag/
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[22:31] <vexter> pksato good
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[23:08] <theTroy> Further problem experiencing with r-pi - the USB drive works when I plug it in and reset the power of the PI, but if I reboot it via "sudo reboot" the USB is no longer identified, and does not show as USB storage in dmesg
[23:08] <theTroy> is that something that can be resolved?
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[23:09] <fr33_lasagna> hi
[23:09] <fr33_lasagna> what display screen do you guys use?
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[23:09] <Encrypt> fr33_lasagna, No screen \o/
[23:09] <takkie> theTroy: try reboot with 'sudo shutdown -r now'
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[23:10] <takkie> fr33_lasagna: 47" samsung led tv
[23:10] <ShorTie> either a small tft lcd composite video, or a 19" hdmi tv
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[23:10] <fr33_lasagna> i want to use a raspberry pi as a nginx server
[23:10] <fr33_lasagna> i can just ssh into it?
[23:10] <Encrypt> fr33_lasagna, Yes, sure
[23:11] <ShorTie> yup.
[23:11] <Encrypt> That's also what I have done
[23:11] <fr33_lasagna> what os does raspberry run?
[23:11] <Encrypt> + lots of other services
[23:11] <Encrypt> fr33_lasagna, There is no "official" OS
[23:11] <ShorTie> raspbian is the main os
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[23:11] <fr33_lasagna> is that like debian but without the gui?
[23:11] <Encrypt> I mean you can choose between Raspbian, Archlinux, etc...
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[23:11] <Encrypt> Raspbian as a GUI
[23:11] <ShorTie> raspbian has a gui and is like debian
[23:12] <Encrypt> But you don't have to use it if you don't want to
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[23:13] <takkie> i haven't tried Raspbian for a while now. How much ram does it take after clean boot nowadays?
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[23:15] <fr33_lasagna> rasian if it has gui then it must be slow as heck
[23:18] <Encrypt> Without running a GUI, and with NginX, Barracudadrive, postfix... reunning
[23:18] <Encrypt> My 256MB RPi doesn't swap
[23:18] <whuffor> My Rasbpian that I installed yesterday has lxde windowmanager installed
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[23:22] <[Ex0r]> grr, my internet connection is not stable at all
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[23:29] <fr33_lasagna> do you guys have a case and sd c ard for yours?
[23:29] <whuffor> I have both, yes.
[23:30] <Encrypt> fr33_lasagna, Yes
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[23:30] <whuffor> You can't do without an sdcard, can you? It's where the OS resides
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[23:31] <SpeedEvil> you can remove the SD card after boot.
[23:31] <whuffor> Unless the rpi is never turned off.
[23:31] <SpeedEvil> (in principle)
[23:31] <whuffor> I guess so
[23:31] <fr33_lasagna> what model shoudl i get?
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[23:31] <Noldorin> can anyone recommend a good bluetooth (3.0/4.0 preferably) dongle that is physically compact?
[23:31] <fr33_lasagna> 83-14421 or model b?
[23:32] <fr33_lasagna> what is the latest?
[23:32] <whuffor> I got the model B. It's the only one sold here locally.
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[23:36] <fr33_lasagna> to start off with a raspberry , i need to buy it, and then an sd card, and i have to hook it to a hdmi monitor until i install ssh on it?
[23:36] <Encrypt> Nope
[23:36] <Encrypt> If you use Raspbian, SSH is enabled by default
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[23:36] <Encrypt> So, you don't have to connect it to a monitor
[23:37] <fr33_lasagna> you can install the raspbian on an sd disk from your main desktop ,right?
[23:37] <Encrypt> You can directly insert the SD Card flashed with Raspbian and then connect your Pi to the netwok
[23:37] <Encrypt> You'll then find its IP in your router configuration and you'll be able to SSH in it
[23:37] <[Ex0r]> what type of regulator would I need to use to maintain 2.5a ?
[23:38] <Encrypt> [Ex0r], A current regulator actually
[23:38] <[Ex0r]> to take from 12v to 7.5a @ 2.5
[23:38] <Encrypt> There are a lot of them on the Farnell Website I think
[23:38] <[Ex0r]> err, 12v to 7.5v @ 2.5a
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[23:39] <Encrypt> [Ex0r], You mean you have 7.5A now and you want to limit it to 2.5A?
[23:39] <[Ex0r]> no
[23:40] <[Ex0r]> i have a 12v source that I am using, but I need it brought down to 7.5v @ 2.55a
[23:40] <[Ex0r]> 2.5A
[23:40] <Encrypt> Ok
[23:40] <Encrypt> I think you can use both a voltage regulator and a current regulator
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[23:42] <[Ex0r]> im trying to power a usb hub from a 12v atx psu source
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[23:42] <[Ex0r]> since i dont think the pi has enough juice to power the hub with 4 devices hooked into it by itself
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[23:44] <fr33_lasagna> does it have driver support for a usb nano wireless device?
[23:44] <fr33_lasagna> i can just plug it in right
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[23:45] <fr33_lasagna> i can just buy any basic power adapter huh
[23:46] <fr33_lasagna> how boig should my sd card be?
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[23:49] <[Ex0r]> fr33_lasagna depends what you are doing with it
[23:49] <[Ex0r]> you guys think a 4 port usb hub thats usb powered (from the pi) would be able to support 4 usb gamepads plugged into it without needing an external power source?
[23:49] <fr33_lasagna> i want to use it as a cgi web server to run a script
[23:50] <fr33_lasagna> or scripts
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[23:52] <[Ex0r]> do you plan on downloading data with the scripts /
[23:52] <[Ex0r]> ?*
[23:53] <[Ex0r]> if you are just going to install the os and apache2 or another web server, and none of the scripts require downloading anything, you could get away with 8 gigs
[23:53] <[Ex0r]> the install of the os itself is only maybe 2
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[23:55] <fr33_lasagna> i was going to install nginx
[23:55] <fr33_lasagna> okay, i'll get an 8gb one
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[23:57] <[Ex0r]> im making a retro gaming system on an 8gb, and four systems full of roms just barely fills 8 gigs
[23:57] <[Ex0r]> im actually going to upgrade it
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