#raspberrypi IRC Log

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IRC Log for 2014-05-05

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[0:14] <lvispy> which one is better for 256mb raspbmc or openelec?
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[0:17] <sraue> openelec
[0:17] <shiftplusone> theoretically, openelec (less overhead)
[0:21] <lvispy> thx sraue shiftplusone
[0:21] <shiftplusone> np
[0:22] <bel3atar> does Archlinux support GPIO interrupts?
[0:22] <shiftplusone> yes
[0:22] <shiftplusone> (the distro has nothing to do with it)
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[0:23] <bel3atar> shiftplusone: why? I thought every distro has a different kernel
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[0:24] <shiftplusone> I don't think arch compile their own kernel
[0:24] <shiftplusone> what does uname -a say?
[0:24] <shiftplusone> (but even if they did, they would be stupid to randomly remove things like that... and they're not stupid)
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[0:42] <[Saint]> IIRC, arch compile their own kernel, but its exactly the same.
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[1:15] <[Saint]> heh
[1:15] <[Saint]> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/TeraFLOPS#Hardware_costs
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[1:16] <[Saint]> 1961 US $1,100,000,000,000 ($1.1 trillion)/GFLOP
[1:16] <[Saint]> December 2013 US $0.12/GFLOP
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[1:17] <[Saint]> lol
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[1:20] <bruxc> currently done with adafruit's tutorial on converting my Pi to an access point. I can get the SSID to emit but cannot get any devices to connect to it. Can someone help me identify what is going wrong?
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[1:26] <Squarepy> brucx, so it is sending, is it also receiving?
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[1:31] <bruxc> Squarepy: Could you elaborate onthe question? I'm sorry, I'm not too savvy
[1:32] <Squarepy> well, it is sending packets, f.i. do you see any incoming packets on the connection
[1:32] <Squarepy> is it an open network?
[1:32] <bruxc> No
[1:33] <bruxc> I would imagine incoming packets on the connection would mean devices would need to be connected to the wireless. And I can't get any of my devices to connect to it..
[1:34] <pksato> bruxc: whata have on rpi logs?
[1:35] <bruxc> pksato: how can I check that?
[1:35] <pksato> tutorial dont have section to solve problems?
[1:36] <bruxc> Unfortunately not.
[1:37] <Squarepy> so why not make it an open network and check the basics
[1:37] <bruxc> and I found little to no information on any threads with conversation about this project.
[1:37] <bruxc> Mk.
[1:37] <bruxc> I can try that.
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[1:37] <bruxc> I honestly don't think that will allow my devices to connect.
[1:37] * shiftplusone sets mode -b *!*@79.133.201.88
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[1:38] <Squarepy> bruxc, one way to find out
[1:38] <bruxc> true.
[1:38] <bruxc> xming into it.
[1:38] <bruxc> one sec
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[1:38] <Squarepy> k
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[1:41] <bruxc> rebooting.
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[1:43] <bruxc> There must be a setting that I need to change to make it open. clearing out the password doesn't show it as an open AP
[1:43] <bruxc> I gotta figure out how to do that.
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[1:45] <Squarepy> bruxc, you set the encryption to none, now presumably it is on WEP or WAP
[1:45] <bruxc> it's on wpa currently
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[1:47] <pksato> bruxc: tail -f /var/log/syslog or/both tail -f /var/log/messages
[1:47] <Squarepy> ok
[1:47] <bruxc> wpa=2 so I changed it to wpa=0
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[1:52] <bruxc> the wireless isn't displaying anymore... sigh
[1:52] <bruxc> interface=wlan0 driver=rtl871xdrv ssid=V_Pi hw_mode=g channel=6 macaddr_acl=0 auth_algs=1 ignore_broadcast_ssid=0 wpa=0 wpa_passphrase= wpa_key_mgmt=WPA-PSK wpa_pairwise=TKIP rsn_pairwise=CCMP
[1:52] <bruxc> that's what I have in sudo nano /etc/hostapd/hostapd.conf
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[1:55] <Squarepy> ok, so that is wpa1 and not wpa2, as it is tkip not aes. the client has to use the same settings
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[1:56] <bruxc> are you recommending i change TKP to AES?
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[1:59] <pksato> bruxc: rtl? you download binary blob driver to use ap?
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[2:00] <Squarepy> well, my advice is to use the same on the client and the router, can't see all the details from here
[2:00] <bruxc> Yeah.
[2:00] <bruxc> I think so.
[2:01] <bruxc> http://forums.adafruit.com/viewtopic.php?f=19&t=47716#p240781
[2:01] <bruxc> followed that
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[2:15] <rikkib> \o/
[2:15] <shiftplusone> (I'm so going to regret it)
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[2:54] <ak51> shiftplusone: hey I am trying to get this raspberry pi to playback some presentations, but it needs ~10 secs to transition a slide in libreofice
[2:55] <ak51> shiftplusone: so I am thinking about running nginx something with this http://lab.hakim.se/reveal-js/#/ + the builtin midori browser. Do you think this is a better solution?
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[2:55] <shiftplusone> when you say 'transition' is there an actual transition (like a lame dissolve of page flip effect) or just go straight to the next slide?
[2:56] <ak51> shiftplusone: straight to next slide
[2:56] <ak51> shiftplusone: I also tried a pdf but that takes like ~8 secs
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[2:57] <shiftplusone> A little surprised pdf takes that long, I don't remember that being the case
[2:57] <ak51> you were using muPDF?
[2:57] <ak51> I tried in xpdf
[2:57] <shiftplusone> xpdf at the time
[2:57] <shiftplusone> I expect midori will be even worse. Have you looked at what screenly uses?
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[3:06] <ak51> shiftplusone: researching them now
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[3:08] <ak51> shiftplusone: hey cool, they have an oss edition, maybe I can just reformat my presentation to use that
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[3:16] <[Ex0r]> hmm, so I take it the pi detects when something is plugged into the stereo out jack ?
[3:16] <shiftplusone> nope
[3:17] <shiftplusone> it has no way of knowing if something is plugged in there
[3:17] <[Ex0r]> im just trying to figure out why my hdmi audio isnt working right now and all I can think of is that its because I have a stereo to 3.5mm adapter plugged into the stereo out jack
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[3:21] <[Ex0r]> (With nothing attached to it at the other end)
[3:21] <shiftplusone> red herring
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[3:21] <[Ex0r]> not sure what that means
[3:21] <[Ex0r]> oh, nm
[3:21] <shiftplusone> Means you should take a break and go fishing
[3:21] <shiftplusone> or something
[3:21] <shiftplusone> config.txt and alsa are what you should be looking at
[3:21] <[Ex0r]> its 10 at night, haha
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[3:22] <shiftplusone> Then go to sleep, you have to wake up early tomorrow =O
[3:22] <[Ex0r]> lol no i dont
[3:22] <shiftplusone> You do, that's when the best fishing is!
[3:22] <shiftplusone> ....I don't know where I am going with this.
[3:22] <[Ex0r]> im gonna check and see if its something with the hdmi cable, possible because I noticed that there are artifacts on the screen at times, too. Like red green and blue lines flickering on and off.
[3:23] <[Ex0r]> lol
[3:23] <shiftplusone> try adding hdmi_drive=2 to config.txt
[3:23] <shiftplusone> (and rebooting)
[3:23] <shiftplusone> are you currently using config_hdmi_boost ?
[3:23] <[Ex0r]> i dunno, not sure if its on by default
[3:23] <[Ex0r]> rebooting now
[3:24] <shiftplusone> try adding config_hdmi_boost=4 as well.
[3:24] <[Ex0r]> its not set
[3:24] <[Ex0r]> its at config_hdmi_boost=4 but its commented out
[3:25] <[Ex0r]> gonna check it out, hopefully it fixes it. I'll also check my hdmi cable just to make sure it didn't come loose from the back of the tv
[3:25] <ak51> shiftplusone: I laughed at your red herring jokes
[3:25] <ak51> was ok, don't doubt yourself too much
[3:25] <ak51> :P
[3:25] <shiftplusone> ak51, =)
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[3:33] <[Ex0r]> well i dont know what the heck is going on.
[3:33] <[Ex0r]> Keeps losing controller config, screen keeps flickering on and off
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[3:34] <ak51> ugh screenly install taking forever
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[3:34] <ak51> thankfully, they have a helpful "This may take a while"
[3:34] <shiftplusone> [Ex0r], are you monitoring the tp1 tp2 voltage, since you want to attach a lot of stuff over USB?
[3:34] <[Ex0r]> i dont have anything attached over usb right now
[3:34] <[Ex0r]> just the hub with one controller on it
[3:35] <shiftplusone> Better than windows "this may take a few minutes" *5 hours later* "preparing to install windows updates..."
[3:35] <atouk> config_hdmi_boost=4 for the flicker
[3:35] <[Ex0r]> ^^ bahaha
[3:35] <[Ex0r]> i have that one
[3:35] <[Ex0r]> it flicks 3-6 times right when it first starts up than stops
[3:35] <ak51> shiftplusone: not sure it's better yet, but Ihope so
[3:35] <ak51> sincerely
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[3:37] <[Ex0r]> somethings going on, the pi isnt really stable anymore either, keeps freezing up
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[3:37] <shiftplusone> <shiftplusone> [Ex0r], are you monitoring the tp1 tp2 voltage, since you want to attach a lot of stuff over USB?
[3:38] <shiftplusone> sounds like your polyfuse is tripping
[3:38] <[Ex0r]> shiftplusone- Why would it all of a sudden be doing it now and it hasnt been doing it?
[3:38] <shiftplusone> If things never did things they didn't previously do, things would never change, ey?
[3:39] <[Ex0r]> all I did between stability to non stablility is put the lid on the case
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[3:39] <shiftplusone> Do you have a multimeter?
[3:39] <[Ex0r]> yeah
[3:39] <shiftplusone> tp1 tp2 voltage?
[3:39] <[Ex0r]> i dont even know how to check that
[3:39] <shiftplusone> there are two points on the pi
[3:39] <shiftplusone> marked tp1 and tp2
[3:40] <shiftplusone> you poke the probes at them
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[3:40] <[Ex0r]> top or bottom ?
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[3:40] <shiftplusone> both
[3:40] <shiftplusone> they're tiny holes
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[3:40] <[Ex0r]> yup found them
[3:40] <[Ex0r]> what should it read?
[3:41] <ak51> has anyone installed screenly
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[3:41] <ak51> I was wondering when it will finish :D
[3:41] <shiftplusone> [Ex0r], what does it read?
[3:41] <rikkib> http://www.zlham.geek.nz/images/news/windvane4.jpg
[3:41] <[Ex0r]> havent checked it yet, taking it apart now
[3:41] <rikkib> http://www.zlham.geek.nz/images/news/windvane5.jpg
[3:41] <rikkib> http://www.zlham.geek.nz/images/news/windvane6.jpg
[3:41] <shiftplusone> [Ex0r], 5v
[3:41] <rikkib> and http://www.zlham.geek.nz/images/news/windvane7.jpg
[3:41] <shiftplusone> [Ex0r], in your case, it sounds like it's 4, if you're lucky).
[3:41] <rikkib> Latest hardware creation
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[3:42] <rikkib> http://www.zlham.geek.nz/images/news/windvane1.jpg 2 & 3 show the wind vane
[3:42] <[Ex0r]> i just wonder why if thats the case, its all of a sudden a problem and the last 4-5 days it hasnt been
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[3:46] <[Ex0r]> 4.7
[3:46] <shiftplusone> Measure it again when you see issues
[3:47] <shiftplusone> 4.7 is low, but not THAT low. It's possible that it deeps lower during network activity and such.
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[3:47] <[Ex0r]> its not connected to the network
[3:48] <atouk> transients will drive the pi nuts.
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[3:48] <[Ex0r]> let me connect the controller and see what it reads
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[3:50] <[Ex0r]> the hub has an led on it, so its possible between the hub and the controller connected to the hub its drawing too much power
[3:50] <shiftplusone> whoops, *dips
[3:51] <[Ex0r]> that must be it, it keeps turning off now with the controller plugged in
[3:51] <shiftplusone> measure the voltage across F3 (under the microusb connector)
[3:51] <[Ex0r]> i cant get to it
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[3:51] <[Ex0r]> its underneath and the pi is screwed down
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[3:51] <shiftplusone> k
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[3:55] <[Ex0r]> im almost willing to bet its this damn hub
[3:55] <shiftplusone> I suspect it's the things you have plugged in AND the hub.
[3:56] <shiftplusone> Without a extra power, the pi is only designed for a mouse and keyboard.
[3:56] <[Ex0r]> theres nothing plugged in but the controller
[3:56] <[Ex0r]> and now that i have the controller plugged directly into the pi and not the hub, its stable again
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[3:58] <[Ex0r]> now i ned to find out what dc power plug this damn hub requires
[4:02] <shiftplusone> [Ex0r], don't forget that you can power the hub from the same supply your power your pi with, if it's up to the task.
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[4:02] <shiftplusone> (would be cleaner for your xcade thing)
[4:02] <[Ex0r]> shiftplusone- yeah, I am going to wire directly into the hub
[4:02] <[Ex0r]> but I need to know the input voltage on it
[4:03] <shiftplusone> excellent
[4:03] <[Ex0r]> its got a dc jack on it, but didnt come with the adapter
[4:03] <[Ex0r]> so, I might get this one instead: http://www.bestbuy.com/site/belkin-4-port-usb-hub/2389094.p?id=1218324435232&skuId=2389094&st=4%20port%20usb%20hub&cp=1&lp=1
[4:03] <[Ex0r]> which will probably require a voltage regulator as the only source I have left to tap into is 12c
[4:03] <[Ex0r]> 12v*
[4:05] <[Ex0r]> hmm its a 2.6 amp power adapter, wow
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[4:05] <[Ex0r]> The best I can give you is from the plug itself: Input 100-240v -50/60Hz 0.5A Output +5v - 2.6A
[4:06] <[Ex0r]> so it takes 5v into the hub @ 2.6A
[4:06] <[Ex0r]> dont know if the atx power supply feeds 2.6a
[4:07] <shiftplusone> Why don't you use 5v for everything? (Get a normal hub)
[4:07] <[Ex0r]> what do you mean?
[4:07] <shiftplusone> nvrm, failed at reading
[4:07] <shiftplusone> doing too many things at once
[4:07] <[Ex0r]> no worries
[4:07] <atouk> i use an external usb hd with it modified to backfeed the pi
[4:08] <atouk> (maxtor powered drive)
[4:08] <[Ex0r]> the one im looking at right now takes 5v from the dc adapter in the wall, and I have one 5v supply left on my psu so I should be able to use that one
[4:08] <[Ex0r]> but will the psu supply 2.6A
[4:09] <[Ex0r]> rather, will it OVERSUPPLY
[4:09] <atouk> no sucn thing as oversupply. pi will use what it needs, no more
[4:09] <[Ex0r]> not talking about to the pi
[4:09] <[Ex0r]> talking about to the hub
[4:10] <[Ex0r]> 5v from my psu directly into the hub
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[4:11] <ak51> hi, if I had a noobs sd card, then installed raspian, can I still use the card to boot into noobs/
[4:11] <ak51> ?
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[4:13] <shiftplusone> did you install raspbian using noobs?
[4:14] <shiftplusone> or did you use a raw imagE?
[4:15] <pksato> if used noobs, hold shift on power up to get noobs screen.
[4:17] <ak51> used noobs, ok
[4:17] <ak51> thanks
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[4:54] <aZz7eCh> hmm
[4:54] <aZz7eCh> how to run my script as a service on boot without logging in?
[4:54] <shiftplusone> if by as a service you mean what I think you mean, then look up init scripts
[4:54] <shiftplusone> if not, then rc.local
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[4:56] <aZz7eCh> basically just want my script to run when wheezy boots without logging in etc
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[4:57] <shiftplusone> rc.local
[4:57] <shiftplusone> if your script is /home/pi/something.sh , you'd put "/home/pi/something.sh &" in /etc/rc.local, just before exit 0.
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[5:01] <aZz7eCh> what the hell is the path to ~/Desktop/pycode ?
[5:01] <[Ex0r]> hey shiftplusone, how do you suggest finding what wire is the ground in a dc adapter ?
[5:02] <aZz7eCh> .. /home/Desktop/pycode ?
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[5:02] <shiftplusone> [Ex0r], the one that gives a positive reading when you connect the -ve (black) probe to it.
[5:02] <[Ex0r]> with or without it plugged in ?
[5:02] <shiftplusone> plugged in
[5:02] <shiftplusone> do they look different?
[5:03] <shiftplusone> (the wires?
[5:03] <shiftplusone> )
[5:03] <[Ex0r]> Yeah, one has a white stripe, one is just black
[5:03] <[Ex0r]> but they are side by side like speaker wire
[5:03] <shiftplusone> The one with the stripe should be negative, but double check
[5:04] <[Ex0r]> just plug it in to the wall, than stick the black lead on the white/black wire to see if it gives a positive read on the multi ? (If it gives a - reading, switch probes)
[5:05] <shiftplusone> yeah and the other probe needs to be on the other wire
[5:05] <aZz7eCh> shiftplusone: about to try it. have whacked "/home/pi/Desktop/pycode/control.py" in the rc.local file. i dont need to proceed it with "sudo python" ?
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[5:05] <[Ex0r]> right
[5:05] <shiftplusone> sudo is not needed. Does the file have a shebang?
[5:06] <[Ex0r]> im assuming im gonna have to poke the wires with a needle or something to get the reading ?
[5:06] <shiftplusone> aZz7eCh, does it start with #!/usr/bin/python?
[5:06] <aZz7eCh> so i do need python tho
[5:06] <aZz7eCh> yes
[5:06] <shiftplusone> then you don't need python
[5:06] <aZz7eCh> oh
[5:06] <aZz7eCh> nice
[5:06] <shiftplusone> make sure you chmod +x it as well
[5:06] <aZz7eCh> oh
[5:06] <aZz7eCh> whats that
[5:06] <shiftplusone> makes the file executable
[5:07] <aZz7eCh> chmod +x /home/pi/Desktop/pycode/control.py &
[5:07] <aZz7eCh> ?
[5:07] <shiftplusone> or rather gives it the execute permission
[5:07] <aZz7eCh> -&
[5:07] <shiftplusone> yeah, just run chmod +x /home/pi/Desktop/pycode/control.py once
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[5:08] <aZz7eCh> okay rebootin
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[5:09] <aZz7eCh> hmm
[5:09] <aZz7eCh> nothin
[5:09] <shiftplusone> pastebin your rc.local
[5:09] <aZz7eCh> how can i do that
[5:10] <aZz7eCh> i'm ssh'd into the thing
[5:10] <shiftplusone> wait, what is control.py.... what does it do?
[5:10] <aZz7eCh> its a little program i wrote yesterday
[5:10] <aZz7eCh> controls gpios
[5:10] <shiftplusone> not a gui one?
[5:10] <aZz7eCh> no no
[5:10] <shiftplusone> it should just run in the background, right?
[5:11] <shiftplusone> okay
[5:11] <shiftplusone> apt-get install pastebinit
[5:11] <shiftplusone> cat /etc/rc.local | pastebinit
[5:11] <[Ex0r]> shiftplusone- pastebinit doesnt work anymore
[5:11] <[Ex0r]> gives an error, i think they changed the header information
[5:12] <shiftplusone> I used it just yesterday O_o
[5:12] <aZz7eCh> hang just trying a couple o things
[5:12] <[Ex0r]> whenever i try using it it gives an error
[5:12] <shiftplusone> [Ex0r], works just fine here
[5:12] <[Ex0r]> says something about address or header error or summin
[5:14] <aZz7eCh> shift: waiting for it to install but
[5:14] <aZz7eCh> its not finding a source/mirror for it ?
[5:14] <shiftplusone> eh?
[5:14] <aZz7eCh> Temporary failure resolving 'mirrordirector.raspbian..etc
[5:15] <shiftplusone> you've got yourself a network or sources.list problem =/
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[5:15] <aZz7eCh> hang
[5:16] <aZz7eCh> okay resolved that
[5:17] <aZz7eCh> cat does what
[5:17] <aZz7eCh> okay
[5:17] <aZz7eCh> http://paste.debian.net/97477
[5:18] <aZz7eCh> and you can ignore the "sudo python" that i added - i only just added that fiddling
[5:18] <shiftplusone> the "s weren't actually meant to go in the file
[5:19] <aZz7eCh> duh
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[5:20] <aZz7eCh> hmm okay well stripped it out
[5:20] <aZz7eCh> still not starting tho
[5:20] <aZz7eCh> i'll try putting hte sudo python back in
[5:21] <shiftplusone> does your script output anything like debug messages?
[5:21] <aZz7eCh> nope
[5:21] <aZz7eCh> its all rather simple
[5:22] <shiftplusone> do you mind pastebinning it as well?
[5:22] <aZz7eCh> runs fine if i run it manually
[5:22] <aZz7eCh> sure
[5:22] <shiftplusone> if it's not a trade secret
[5:22] <aZz7eCh> not at all
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[5:23] <aZz7eCh> 97478
[5:24] <aZz7eCh> 97479 - 2nd script that gets called
[5:24] <aZz7eCh> 97480 - 3rd script that gets called
[5:24] <aZz7eCh> 97481 - 4th script that gets called
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[5:25] <shiftplusone> change the line to /home/pi/Desktop/pycode/control.py > /home/pi/control.log &
[5:25] <shiftplusone> and reboot
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[5:25] <shiftplusone> I suspect there's a problem with your use of paths
[5:27] <shiftplusone> then take a look at /home/pi/control.log
[5:27] <aZz7eCh> okay doing that now
[5:27] <shiftplusone> your use of uvla = subprocess.Popen(["sudo", "python", "uvla.py"]) looks very strange
[5:27] <aZz7eCh> why ?
[5:28] <aZz7eCh> i'm looking at control.log
[5:28] <aZz7eCh> its empty
[5:28] <shiftplusone> but it's created?
[5:28] <aZz7eCh> yep
[5:28] <shiftplusone> so your script is running
[5:28] <shiftplusone> what does pgrep control say?
[5:29] <aZz7eCh> nothing
[5:29] <aZz7eCh> should i just copy my scripts to /
[5:29] <shiftplusone> no no
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[5:30] <shiftplusone> There's a bit more going on that I want to commit to right now.
[5:30] <shiftplusone> Hopefuly somebody else will jump in.
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[5:38] <shiftplusone> guess not
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[5:39] <shiftplusone> aZz7eCh, let me check something first, to make sure I don't tell misinform you, brb
[5:40] <aZz7eCh> no worries, and no worries. trying diff things this end
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[5:41] <aZz7eCh> how do you copy files in linux ? lol
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[5:41] <shiftplusone> D=
[5:41] <shiftplusone> cp
[5:41] <shiftplusone> ..... you're copying your files to /, aren't you?
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[5:41] <[Ex0r]> lol
[5:41] <aZz7eCh> ;)
[5:43] <shiftplusone> Just checked. The problem wasn't what I thought it was
[5:43] <aZz7eCh> hmm
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[5:44] <shiftplusone> but you do have 'print' all over your script
[5:44] <shiftplusone> so it's strange that the log is empty
[5:44] <aZz7eCh> the script aint exectuing
[5:44] <shiftplusone> it's not executing the way you want
[5:45] <aZz7eCh> dont panic too much about it ... im going to run out of time I can devote to it today soon
[5:46] <shiftplusone> The GPIO stuff you do at the very top of the script.... if it worked, you would be able to see whatever you have attached doing something, right?
[5:47] <aZz7eCh> oh ince
[5:47] <aZz7eCh> i think i just got it going
[5:47] <shiftplusone> how?
[5:47] <aZz7eCh> well a) copied my .py files to /
[5:47] <aZz7eCh> and then b) sudo chmod -x /control.py
[5:48] <shiftplusone> there is no god
[5:48] <aZz7eCh> then c) put "sudo python /control.py &" in rc.local
[5:48] <shiftplusone> great that it works for you though
[5:48] <aZz7eCh> actually... "sudo python control.py &"
[5:48] <ak51> shiftplusone: where is the locale switcher I missed earlier
[5:48] <ak51> ?
[5:48] <shiftplusone> ak51, raspi-config
[5:48] <ak51> is pre or post OS installation
[5:49] <shiftplusone> post
[5:49] <ak51> kk ty
[5:49] <shiftplusone> np
[5:49] <aZz7eCh> thanks for your help shif
[5:49] <aZz7eCh> shift*
[5:50] <aZz7eCh> appreciate it
[5:50] <aZz7eCh> btw, whats wrong with copying the files to / ?
[5:51] <shiftplusone> Nothing, it's just nice to stick to the FHS (filesystem hierarchy standard) where possible
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[5:53] <aZz7eCh> haha
[5:53] <aZz7eCh> k
[5:53] <[Ex0r]> May the fourth be with you!
[5:54] * shiftplusone throws a calendar at [Ex0r] for being in the wrong timezone.
[5:54] <[Ex0r]> its still may fourth here!
[5:54] <[Ex0r]> ive got 6 minutes :)
[5:54] <aZz7eCh> how small an sd card can you get away with for wheezy ?
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[5:55] <[Ex0r]> azizLIGHTS- my raspbmc install is on a 2gb sd card
[5:55] <[Ex0r]> but it has an external 1tb drive attached to it
[5:55] <shiftplusone> aZz7eCh, depends on the installation method.
[5:55] <aZz7eCh> i only did mine by using a util that put raspbian on ready to go
[5:56] <aZz7eCh> i'll see if it will do it to a 2gb one
[5:56] <shiftplusone> NOOBS? on 2GB? nope
[5:56] <shiftplusone> if the util is the netinstall, then you can use a 512mb card
[5:56] <aZz7eCh> noobs no not noob
[5:56] <aZz7eCh> noobs
[5:56] <aZz7eCh> i downloaded just the raspbian image
[5:57] <shiftplusone> ah
[5:57] <shiftplusone> I am not sure if that still works on 2GB.
[5:57] <[Ex0r]> what is noobs anyway?
[5:57] <shiftplusone> it might install, but X will get borked
[5:57] <shiftplusone> [Ex0r], a recovery/install tool
[5:57] <[Ex0r]> ah
[5:57] <shiftplusone> and multiboot
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[5:58] <shiftplusone> can install a bunch of different distros on one card and if you mess things up, you can hold shift while booting to bring NOOBS up again
[5:58] <[Ex0r]> ah, nice
[5:59] <shiftplusone> I think so, but it's not much loved.
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[8:05] <aZz7eCh> shiftplusone: thanks again mate
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[8:06] <shiftplusone> I didn't do anything, but you're certainly welcome >_<
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[11:45] <Seahonk> Hey, am I correct in assuming that this "dual toggle switch" will control two different circuits without touching them together?
[11:45] <Seahonk> http://www.microcenter.com/product/395542/Dual_Miniature_Toggle_Switch
[11:45] <Seahonk> So I can control a huge old CRT tv and a RPI without melting the RPI?
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[11:51] <justaguy> but, does a huge old crt have hdmi?
[11:52] <ShorTie> only need composite, which at most would mean a vcr type device
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[11:55] <ShorTie> as far as that dpdt switch, we would need to have more info on exactly what you intend to control
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[12:00] <Seahonk> What? No. The pi has a composite out. Also, I don't understand. I'm asking is the job of a dual toggle is to control two separate circuits. What does that have to do with the finer details of the rest of the project?
[12:01] <ShorTie> ok, then yes it can control 2 totally different circuits, it has 2 poles
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[12:02] <ShorTie> if it had 4 poles, it could control 4 different circuits
[12:02] <Seahonk> Cool. It looked it, but I don't have a ton of experience with this sort of thing and I wanted to make sure.
[12:05] <justaguy> ah composite
[12:05] <justaguy> so that is one of the 2 weird things that i dont use or know what it is for
[12:05] <justaguy> at a rpi
[12:07] <ShorTie> it's not really weird, it has been around far longer then hdmi has been
[12:09] <ShorTie> other then resolution, the only real difference is hdmi has audio built in, where composite does not
[12:11] <ShorTie> that is why you only need 1 cable for hdmi, and 2 or 3 for composite to get the same basic setup
[12:12] <ShorTie> depending on if you want stereo or monairo
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[12:24] <SpeedEvil> Composite has been around since I'd guess 1940.
[12:25] <ShorTie> ya, you made me feel young
[12:25] * ShorTie been around since 1961
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[12:30] <dastaan> :O
[12:30] <dastaan> Shortie :respect:
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[14:32] <Munt> Good evening ladies and gentlemen !! Are there any kind souls out there can help me with my first RaspberryPi dilemma? I am new to computer programming ( except html and css ) and wish to create systems on the raspberry pie to control high voltage equipment. I might have to (though i am unsure right now) talk to an arduino board at some point wirelessly. I also want to have web interfaces and possibly an android application to interact wit
[14:32] <Munt> systems. Can you recommend which would be hte best language to learn? Right now it's a toss up between Python, C# and Java. Thanks for reading :D
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[14:39] <SirLagz> Munt: Why C# or Java ? I'd be using Python on the Pi as that's supported very well
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[14:42] <Munt> I guess my selections are born from ignorance.
[14:42] <ShorTie> actually, any voltage > 3.3vdc is considered high voltage to a pi which needs to be controled thru any number of devices like a transistor, mosfet, relay, ....
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[14:43] <Munt> thank you, I have been lookin into relays to handle the change in voltage
[14:44] <Munt> I am a graphics designer by trade ... so I would enjoy a program language that would at some point (after much learning) allow me t create beatiful interfaces for my programs
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[14:46] <ShorTie> as SirLagz has pointed out, Python and controlling the gpio pins is well supported and should not be too hard to incorpate into a web interface
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[14:48] <Munt> Thank you for your recommendation. I'll get myself clued up on python starting immediately :p C was rolling about in my head after reading some forum posts about htis being hte de-facto programming language for system level programs
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[14:50] <ShorTie> C and controlling the gpio pins is very well supported with wiringPi, if that is your choice of a language
[14:51] <ShorTie> Python and C are the main languages for controlling the gpio pins i believe
[14:51] <ShorTie> both being very well supported
[14:53] <Munt> if someone creates a RaspberryPi opensource module in C ... can i interface with it easily in Python ?
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[14:56] <ShorTie> why not just use the python modules instead of adding confusion in with C also ??
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[14:58] <Munt> I guess I'm just not experienced enough to be able to discern the differences for the coding situations I might encounter in the future. It would be great to learn a language that translates well to the scripting languages used in the popular 3d tools such as maya.
[14:58] <ShorTie> but i'm no programer, so really don't know how much confusion that would amount too...
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[15:14] <Munt> Would it be worthwhile to run linux to code my pi projects in python or would that be a waste of time ?
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[15:16] <pronto> you're (most likely) already running linux...
[15:16] <pronto> less you got freebsd on the rpi (or some other *nix type thing)
[15:16] <Munt> So it would be pointless to develop in a linux distribution if I'm running OSX currently ?
[15:17] <Munt> p.s. thanks for being patient with me folks
[15:17] <pronto> if it's just going to be python projects why not just dev on the pi itself?
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[15:18] <Munt> I want to be able to develop the code anywhere on my laptop or my main computer or on the Pi
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[15:18] <Munt> so i was thinking of running a Linix VM on my desktop computers to familiarise myself and have consistency accross my work stations
[15:19] <pronto> or just ssh to the pi, and dev that way?
[15:20] <Munt> I have not yet received my Pi in the post but ... that is the best option ?
[15:20] <pronto> no, the best option is what works best for you; what i do is ssh to my rpi and edit code with vim
[15:22] <Munt> I'll look into that when I receive my Pi, thanks man. In order to start learning Pi now I will get a Python editor for my Mac. Instead of running a emulated wheezy machine
[15:23] <pronto> FYI: the raspberry pi is nothing more then a really cheap ARM linux box with gpio
[15:24] <Munt> I've wanted to control hardware with my computer since i got one ... but never had the knowledge to start with it. I seen Pi as an excellent resource for learning how to do this
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[15:25] <pronto> yep, thats what its great for, quick protoyping and learning
[15:26] <Munt> awesome .... I'm excited to automate my entire home and hobbies with a mix of arduinos and pis :D
[15:26] <Munt> ... eventually
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[16:38] <gordonDrogon> ShorTie, BASIC controls the GPIO pins very well too :)
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[17:02] <HappyX> Hey folks. I just thought about setting up a webcam to observate our courtyard. Well, an usual USB camera's cable would not survive being permanently squeezed by the closing and opening window. Are there some cheap cameras that can act wireless and sent images from the outside to the pi in the inside?
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[17:43] <Munt> HappyX ... I dont own Pi yet ... and im on my first ever coding extragaganza right now .... but could you use 2 pi's wirelessly connecting if yu cant find a wirelessly transmitting camera on the cheap? also I have seen usb wireless converters on the net before
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[17:47] <ShorTie> there is no real true wireless way to go because of power, but you can get a outdoor camera housing and mount the pi, it's camera inside and wifi in that canbe used outside
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[17:48] <IT_Sean> You can get a wifi based outdoor camera, i suppose.
[17:48] <IT_Sean> Still gonna need to get powah to it.
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[17:49] <ShorTie> like https://www.dropbox.com/s/0lnsqsfubqyjmkh/IMAG0017.JPG
[17:50] <SpeedEvil> Solar can get annoying - especially if you want it 24*7
[17:50] <Munt> nice
[17:50] <SpeedEvil> You need of the order of a 250W solar panel to keep the Pi up 24*7 here
[17:50] <SpeedEvil> (scotland)
[17:50] <IT_Sean> Indeed. Solar is kind of a pain... Going to need a sizable panel and a battery & charging rig to run 24*7
[17:51] <IT_Sean> You may be able to get away with a lesser panel depending on where you live.
[17:51] <SpeedEvil> In some places it's a lot sunnier in winter
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[17:52] <ShorTie> running the power wires to that is where i learned how much nicer 18awg feeds power to the pi, then a micro usb cable does
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[18:05] <aZz7eCh> okay
[18:05] <aZz7eCh> i have a question that i haven't found any decent answers to in 2 days ...
[18:05] <aZz7eCh> now that i've completed making my project, its now an issue.
[18:06] <aZz7eCh> i need to mount my RPi and the relay board and cables and what not into an water resistant enclosure/ electrics box
[18:07] <aZz7eCh> i'm spoilt for choice when it comes to boxes i can buy locally ...
[18:07] <aZz7eCh> but, they're just empty boxes
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[18:07] <SpeedEvil> In short - actually waterproofing is hard.
[18:07] <aZz7eCh> what, the hell, do people screw / mount / fix all their rpi's / arduino's / to ?
[18:07] <SpeedEvil> If you have a continually powered device, it's easier
[18:07] <aZz7eCh> oh it doesn't have to be water-proof
[18:08] <aZz7eCh> but it does have to go in a box so it doesn't get wet or exposed to the elements
[18:08] <SpeedEvil> Make all connections enter at teh bottom, and utterly unable to get water blown in directly, and 10C hotter than the environment
[18:08] <aZz7eCh> like i say - the box part is fine ... but what the hell do people use to mount all their stuff up (boards/connectors/etc..) in the back of htese boxes ?
[18:08] <SpeedEvil> Glue or bolts through the case.
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[18:09] <aZz7eCh> ew
[18:09] <SpeedEvil> Or internal fixings, or an internal frame
[18:09] <aZz7eCh> geeez, really? theres no common / easy back plate solution ?
[18:10] <SpeedEvil> Well - no.
[18:10] <aZz7eCh> must be why i see so much wood
[18:10] <SpeedEvil> It depends on the design of case.
[18:10] <aZz7eCh> in peoples electric boxes as backing walls
[18:10] <shauno> I just use adhesive pcb standoffs, but they don't take all environments well
[18:11] <aZz7eCh> i bought a packet of them
[18:11] <SpeedEvil> Tightly fitting wooden subframe which is captured by the screwed together box can work well
[18:11] <aZz7eCh> as a last resort
[18:11] <SpeedEvil> Or epoxy fixings to the box
[18:11] <aZz7eCh> e, poxy
[18:11] <aZz7eCh> some sort of glue ?
[18:12] <SpeedEvil> Or if in an environment that won't get very hot - hotmelt solves everything
[18:12] <aZz7eCh> ahh okay
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[18:14] <aZz7eCh> so just put four blobs down and push my rpi onto them, let it set ?
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[19:06] <saedelaere> hey
[19:07] <aZz7eCh> i'm using buttons i bought, to use on my breadboard. initially i was just copying someone on youtube - they stuck resistors in before led's, so i did to. another vid they used resistors on their buttons, not just their led's ... but i'm wondering, in the case of the buttons, is it necessary to even have resistors? what am i protecting? how can a switch be damaged? as for rpi, it should
[19:07] <aZz7eCh> be able to receive its own 3.3v back to each pin right?
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[19:09] <saedelaere> I have some fast level shifters for 5v -> 3.3v like 74HC4050 and i build bidirectional shifters for i2c, one-wire and spi with Mosfets and resistors. what fast level shifters can i use for 3v -> 5v?
[19:10] <saedelaere> aZz7eCh: with buttons you use pull up or pull down resistors
[19:10] <saedelaere> http://arduino.cc/en/tutorial/button
[19:11] <aZz7eCh> thanks mate (/goes readin)
[19:12] <mgottschlag> saedelaere: 5v to 3v unidirectional is a simple voltage divider, and 3v to 5v is built with two transistors, two NOT operations where the second one is supplied 5v
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[19:14] <saedelaere> mgottschlag: ok for 5v to 3v I already have level shifters. they consume less power than a voltage divider :) second one sounds interesting.
[19:14] <saedelaere> thanks
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[19:15] <mgottschlag> ah, okay
[19:15] <aZz7eCh> saedelaere: gave that a quick read and looked back at my breadboard/buttons. i notice straight up that my resistor is on the positive side keeping power running to the gpio input
[19:15] <aZz7eCh> does that mean, its currently a 'pull up' resistor ?
[19:16] <aZz7eCh> hell ... i dont even know what these resistors are - i bought them to protect led's in the circuit was all ..
[19:16] <aZz7eCh> 150k is all thats written on them ?
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[19:16] <saedelaere> oh and btw, does anyone know if the gpios on the rpi are open collector?
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[19:17] <saedelaere> aZz7eCh: http://www.digikey.com/us/en/mkt/calculators/4-band-resistors.html
[19:17] <aZz7eCh> thanks mate (/goes readin)
[19:17] <saedelaere> resistors have color codes
[19:17] <mgottschlag> saedelaere: you can probably have them switch between "input" and "output low"
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[19:21] <aZz7eCh> okay apparently they're 250 ohms 2%
[19:21] <aZz7eCh> i still have no idea what the hell i'm providing resistance to
[19:21] <aZz7eCh> or to protect
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[19:24] <saedelaere> aZz7eCh: Ohms law :) --> http://www.evilmadscientist.com/2012/resistors-for-leds/
[19:24] <aZz7eCh> we're talking buttons
[19:24] <aZz7eCh> not leds
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[19:26] <saedelaere> ok in this case the value of your resistor is much to low. just read about pull up and pull down resistors.
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[19:27] <pksato> aZz7eCh: enable internal pullup or pulldown resistors.
[19:27] <pksato> not need a external/extra resistor. except on some situations.
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[19:28] <pksato> but, any resistor from 1k to 50k (or more) works.
[19:28] <pksato> 4k7 and 10k are common values.
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[19:32] <aZz7eCh> the rpi has internal resistors ?
[19:32] <aZz7eCh> for every gpio port ?
[19:32] <aZz7eCh> pin*
[19:33] <pksato> yes
[19:33] <pksato> for pullup or pulldown.
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[19:33] <aZz7eCh> i obviously dont understand this pullup pulldown business
[19:34] <aZz7eCh> but okay cheers, some things to google
[19:34] <pksato> are to set default a state on input.
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[19:36] <pksato> inputs are high impendace, and any signal (static, noise) can 'activate' it. (program read a randon value).
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[19:37] <zleap> hi
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[19:37] <zleap> just booted riscOS er, how to I get out of it as its on my NOOBS disk, so is there an exit option somewhere so the pi reboots and goes back to the NOOBS boot menu
[19:37] <pksato> for convenicente, inputs normaly are set to high logic value, using a pullup resistor.
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[19:40] <gordonDrogon> zleap, hold shift when you power it up.
[19:40] <gordonDrogon> and keep it held down.
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[19:42] <zleap> gordonDrogon, thanks
[19:42] <zleap> i can boot in to either Raspbian or RiscOS
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[19:43] <gordonDrogon> if you like - but I thought it did a complte re-install when you switched, but I may be wrong..
[19:43] <zleap> you can install several operating systems
[19:44] <gordonDrogon> sure - but are they all "installed" at the same time, or does one overwrite the next, etc.
[19:45] <zleap> it seems to be multi boot
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[19:45] <zleap> if you hold down shift you can get back the initial boot menu and reinstall things
[19:45] <gordonDrogon> right - RE install.
[19:45] <zleap> yeah
[19:46] <pksato> if I recall, noobs have a screen to choose OS on boot.
[19:46] <gordonDrogon> so if you boot it into raspbian, then do "stuff", then boot it into RISC OS, do more stuff, then re-boot into Raspbian, you've lost your initial stuff (and an hour of your time)
[19:46] <zleap> it can install a data partition
[19:47] <zleap> it should be booting to raspbian now
[19:48] <gordonDrogon> you mean re-installing raspbian...
[19:49] <zleap> no it dual boots
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[19:49] <zleap> if I press shift on power up it goes back to the menu that you get to install different operating systems, so doing that wipes stuff out,
[19:49] <gordonDrogon> ok. this is news to me then. I thought it only haneled one at a time.
[19:49] <zleap> noo
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[19:50] <zleap> you can have rasbian, xbmc, rasbian + scratch auto loading, riscOS or pi dora
[19:50] <zleap> but kinda limited by your sd card size
[19:50] <gordonDrogon> right - but how many at the same time?
[19:51] <zleap> i think its limited to your sd card size
[19:51] <zleap> as riscOS is 2gb at least
[19:51] <zleap> or the image is,
[19:51] <gordonDrogon> ok
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[19:54] <zleap> gordonDrogon, http://www.raspberrypi.org/wp-content/uploads/2013/09/boot_select.png
[19:54] <gordonDrogon> ok
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[19:54] <zleap> maybe catch a demo at the pi jam in cambridge
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[19:55] <gordonDrogon> I have NOOBS - I have used it to install Raspbian, but I did not realise it could instlal multiple images.
[19:55] <gordonDrogon> I really have no use for anything other than Raspbian though.
[19:56] <zleap> same here really i was just trying it out
[19:56] <gordonDrogon> the current cheapest way to buy quality SD cards is to buy them from the foundation with NOOBS installed on them...
[19:56] <zleap> i am happy to make a normal sd card up but knowing how to use NOOBS is useful too
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[19:58] <zleap> maybe at some point someone can have a go at converting the rtb .deb package to .rpm for pi-dora
[20:00] <gordonDrogon> maybe jsut forget that pi-dora even exists.
[20:00] <zleap> ok
[20:01] <zleap> if i can get it working will let you know
[20:01] <zleap> or if someone gets it working we can let you know
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[20:01] <pksato> zleap: call alien to do this conversion. but, not guarantees that .rpm works.
[20:02] <zleap> pksato, just looked that up, i used alien a little years ago when i did use Redhat
[20:02] <zleap> that was before fedora even existed
[20:02] <zleap> lol
[20:02] <aZz7eCh> okay so i've now watched a few good vids on pullup pulldown resistors (i dont have a 10k resistor to use - only these little 250 ohm (if thats what they are) ones. so, i've now also learnt how to set pull up or down in my py code ... easy. so how big did you say the internal resister was?
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[20:03] <pksato> but, .deb is a just ar archieve, easy to decompress and copy that needs.
[20:03] <zleap> iirc 250 ohm is red blue black
[20:04] <justaguy> i'm trying to get a good uptime on my pi atm :p
[20:04] <zleap> ah
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[20:08] <gordonDrogon> aZz7eCh, the internal resistor is approximately 50KΩ
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[20:17] <aZz7eCh> hmm... i'll ask rather than wonder.. it wont matter that i'm enabling this on all pins that are input pins ?
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[20:28] <gordonDrogon> aZz7eCh, what are you trying to do?
[20:28] <gordonDrogon> aZz7eCh, ie. just connect up switches, or leds, or what?
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[21:05] <aZz7eCh> oh dear
[21:05] <aZz7eCh> removing the resistors hasn't gone well
[21:06] <aZz7eCh> when i press my button now, my rpi resets
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[21:11] <aZz7eCh> whart the hell is goin on
[21:12] <[Ex0r]> gpio pins ?
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[21:13] <aZz7eCh> yah
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[21:13] <[Ex0r]> in or out
[21:13] <aZz7eCh> i learned earlier that i should be able to remove the resistors from my breadboard that i have on all my buttons
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[21:13] <aZz7eCh> and enable pull up in my script
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[21:13] <aZz7eCh> so i've just rewired half my breadboard
[21:14] <aZz7eCh> changed my code to make my switches set to up
[21:14] <[Ex0r]> probably pulling too much from the pi
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[21:14] <aZz7eCh> but
[21:14] <aZz7eCh> the pi is suppose to have resistors inbuilt or whatever i've enabled ?
[21:14] <aZz7eCh> thats the whole point - i shouldn't have to use resistors i was told ?
[21:15] <shiftplusone> [Ex0r], nuh, that doesn't make sense.
[21:15] <aZz7eCh> hey shift
[21:15] <[Ex0r]> might have to waifor shiftplusone
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[21:16] <shiftplusone> [Ex0r], if he's using the internal pull up resistors and the pins are in input mode, he wouldn't be pulling too much
[21:16] <[Ex0r]> oh speak of the gods
[21:16] <aZz7eCh> i have my 3.3v running directly to my gpio.in pins
[21:16] <aZz7eCh> the switch, connects ground
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[21:16] <shiftplusone> oh
[21:16] <shiftplusone> wrong
[21:16] <[Ex0r]> what if hes NOT using them though
[21:16] <shiftplusone> when you press the switch, you short the 3.3v to ground
[21:17] <aZz7eCh> yeah thats why i had resistors
[21:17] <shiftplusone> remove the 3.3v connection.
[21:17] <aZz7eCh> remove the 3.3 ??
[21:17] <shiftplusone> yes
[21:17] <shiftplusone> the internal resistors go from the pin TO 3.3v
[21:17] <mekenmk> hello, i have the raspbmc installed in my raspberry pi and I wonder if it is possible to use the camera as raspberry control
[21:17] <shiftplusone> so you're shorting the internal resistor out
[21:17] <mekenmk> it is possible?
[21:18] <aZz7eCh> i am completely confused now ... so, merely gpio.in to switch, ground out the others side ?
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[21:18] <aZz7eCh> and this is with that gpio set as umm... pull up
[21:18] <shiftplusone> yes
[21:18] <aZz7eCh> bizzarrre.
[21:19] <aZz7eCh> okay
[21:19] <shiftplusone> then the pin is normally connected to 3.3v, but when you press the button, it's 0v.
[21:20] <aZz7eCh> omg
[21:20] <aZz7eCh> i think you misunderstood me
[21:20] <aZz7eCh> or
[21:20] <shiftplusone> how so?
[21:20] <aZz7eCh> let me just do what you're saying first.
[21:20] <aZz7eCh> brb
[21:21] <aZz7eCh> well f**k me
[21:21] <aZz7eCh> that just eliminated a wire from my entire system
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[21:21] <aZz7eCh> that just eliminated an entire TRACT of wiring from my system.
[21:21] <shiftplusone> family friendly channel.... the asterisks don't do anything.
[21:22] <aZz7eCh> i do beg your pardon
[21:22] <aZz7eCh> and once again - thank you for the amazing help
[21:22] <shiftplusone> np
[21:23] <shiftplusone> do you understand what the issue was?
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[21:24] <aZz7eCh> well i understood i was obviously shorting it out the way it was resetting
[21:24] <aZz7eCh> but i'm amazed that my little 250ohm resistor on the circuit made such a difference
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[21:25] <aZz7eCh> unless ... setting pull up changes the equation dramatically
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[21:25] <gordonDrogon> aZz7eCh, if you have a button connected to a gpio and you make the gpio pin an output - then push the button, then yes, rebooting the Pi is a likely outcome.
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[21:26] <gordonDrogon> aZz7eCh, as long as the pin in an input then you should be fine.
[21:26] <aZz7eCh> they are lol
[21:26] <shiftplusone> gordonDrogon, he had a connection going to 3.3v
[21:26] <shiftplusone> gordonDrogon, when you told him to remove the pull-up, he replaced it with a short
[21:26] <gordonDrogon> 3.3v -> button -> gpio is generally OK.
[21:26] <gordonDrogon> I said nothing about removing the pull up :)
[21:27] <aZz7eCh> i put the pull up code "in"
[21:27] <aZz7eCh> not remove it
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[21:27] <aZz7eCh> but Did remove, the resistors from the circuit
[21:27] <gordonDrogon> 3.3v -> button -> gpio needs a pull-DOWN resistor - internal or external.
[21:27] <gordonDrogon> 0v -> button -> gpio needs a pull UP resistor - internal or external.
[21:27] <aZz7eCh> yeah no
[21:28] <aZz7eCh> pull up before manually on breadboard
[21:28] <aZz7eCh> pull up now with code
[21:28] <shiftplusone> aZz7eCh, https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/175702/fail.png (the blue is where the problem was)
[21:28] <aZz7eCh> just didn't realise it was goign to behave how it did once set to that
[21:28] <gordonDrogon> shiftplusone, a-ha :)
[21:28] <shiftplusone> I would recommend putting a resistor between the switch and the pi though.
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[21:28] <shiftplusone> (in series)
[21:29] <aZz7eCh> armor guard shift
[21:29] <[Ex0r]> nice drawing haha
[21:29] <ParkerR> This may sound weird but does a method exist to flash an image (on a USB drive) to an SD card on the Pi itself? I figured I could maybe just boot into a recovery image and maybe flash from there
[21:29] <aZz7eCh> i've just spent all this time removing all the resistors from the wiring
[21:29] <aZz7eCh> because a) they're insufficient and b) the rpi has better built in (that i've just enabled)
[21:30] <ParkerR> Reason is the SD card I have in it is cut down and placed in there just so. Dont want to have to pull it out and somehow get it to read in a normal reader
[21:30] <shiftplusone> aZz7eCh, if you don't want to, make sure the pins never go into output mode (or at least that you never push the button if the pins happen to be in output mode)
[21:31] <shiftplusone> ParkerR, You could add "init=/bin/bash ro" to cmdline.txt and try that
[21:31] <shiftplusone> after you write the image, just sync and yank the power out.
[21:31] <ParkerR> Ok thanks
[21:31] <shiftplusone> OR.... boot the emergency kernel
[21:31] <shiftplusone> yes... the emergency kernel is the way to go, I think.
[21:31] <ParkerR> Thats what I was thinking
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[21:32] <shiftplusone> I've written images that way before, but it's obviously not the best way to do thing.
[21:32] <ParkerR> Aye
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[21:34] <ParkerR> kernel=kernel_emergency.img
[21:34] <ParkerR> to config.txt as an alternative to renaming kernels.
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[21:34] <ParkerR> Sweet
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[21:34] <shiftplusone> or use the safe mode pins
[21:34] <shiftplusone> *pin
[21:35] <ParkerR> Oh what are they?
[21:35] <shiftplusone> http://elinux.org/RPI_safe_mode
[21:35] <ParkerR> *which pins
[21:35] <ParkerR> Thanks
[21:35] <shiftplusone> oh, nvrm
[21:35] <shiftplusone> "This feature is removed from default firmware as of 18th March 2014"
[21:36] <ParkerR> Heh yeah
[21:36] <ParkerR> And I didnt use noobs
[21:38] <gordonDrogon> aZz7eCh, the issue with no resistors is: If you set the pin to an output, then drive the pin to the opposite polarity to what the button is connected to then press the button, then at best the Pi will reboot, and at worst the Pi will be destroyed.
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[21:38] <gordonDrogon> aZz7eCh, but if you trust yourself to never do that then you're fine with no resistors.
[21:39] <HoloPed> hi all, Is it possible to play HD video using python ?
[21:39] <ParkerR> HoloPed, you could have python load omxplayer
[21:39] <gordonDrogon> you can use python to run the omxplayer command...
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[21:39] <HoloPed> omxplayer is in C++ ?
[21:40] <shiftplusone> yes
[21:40] <ParkerR> It's an executable on the Pi. I think it comes stock
[21:40] <HoloPed> can I play several videos without blinking/falling to commandline in between ?
[21:40] <ParkerR> I think so
[21:40] <HoloPed> sharp cut from video 1 to video 2
[21:40] <shiftplusone> I'd just try it and see
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[21:40] <HoloPed> thanks
[21:41] <ParkerR> http://www.cenolan.com/2013/03/looping-video-playlist-omxplayer-raspberry-pi/
[21:41] <shiftplusone> ParkerR, "It's an executable on the Pi. I think it comes stock". Yes, but it's written in C++ and the source code is available.
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[21:42] <ParkerR> Oooh even mentions python HoloPed http://www.sundh.com/blog/2013/10/loop-videos-seamlessly-omxplayer/
[21:42] <shiftplusone> that python script doesn't do anything.... It's a bash script disguised as python.
[21:42] <ParkerR> shiftplusone, I was thinking in terms of just running it from python. Wouldnt need the source for that. :)
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[21:45] <timthelion> On raspbian, Does audio work in the TTY without x11? I can play sounds with "sudo aplay ..." but not as the normal user
[21:45] <ParkerR> timatron, sudo apt-get install pulseaudio
[21:45] <ParkerR> Then as normal user
[21:45] <ParkerR> pulseaudio -D
[21:45] <shiftplusone> isn't pulseaudio already installed?
[21:45] <ParkerR> Oh wait this is the Pi... crap
[21:46] <shiftplusone> and isn't pulseaudio the problem?
[21:46] <ParkerR> shiftplusone, Back when I used it on the Pi it was still experimental
[21:46] <ParkerR> I forgot the Pi was mainly an alsa only device
[21:46] <shiftplusone> But yeah, you don't need x11 for audio.... it's just a matter of configuring it right
[21:46] <timthelion> obviously pulseaudio is the problem(I already tried purging it(and that worked)) but sadly some programs on rasbian are compiled without alsa support :(
[21:46] <ParkerR> timatron, playing via ALSA should just work in tty
[21:46] <[Ex0r]> got my usb hub today, says max 5v input @ 2a so it should be good
[21:46] <shiftplusone> and when it comes to configuring audio on linux, I don't want to touch it with a six foot pole.
[21:47] <ParkerR> timatron, does it maybe just come out on the wrong output?
[21:47] <timthelion> shiftplusone: well, I thought that since rasbian is used by so many people, and they only have to get it right for one damn architecture it would be configured properly out of the box.
[21:47] <ParkerR> It usually is
[21:47] <timthelion> ParkerR: I tried the various output configurations
[21:47] <shiftplusone> I don't know, I haven't had problems myself
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[21:48] <saedelaere> gordonDrogon: in wiringpi, when you need realtime performance (for example software pwm) do you change thread priority with pthread_setschedparam? or is there some bcm register magic involved ;)
[21:48] <timthelion> shiftplusone: OK, did you choose to start to X11 or did you choose to start to the console?
[21:48] <timthelion> shiftplusone: when you installed
[21:49] <shiftplusone> I don't install things that way.
[21:49] <shiftplusone> I prefer to roll my own images
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[21:49] <timthelion> shiftplusone: the problem is that pulseaudio tries to tell which user a TTY bellongs to using some console kit magic... and it's desided that only the root user is allowed to play audio on my ttys.
[21:50] <timthelion> shiftplusone: I might just do that, I feel like I'm on windows with all the crapware and trialware they loaded rasbian with :(
[21:51] <shiftplusone> timatron, a netinstall is a good way to get around all that https://github.com/hifi/raspbian-ua-netinst
[21:52] <gordonDrogon> saedelaere, sched_setscheduler()
[21:53] <timthelion> shiftplusone: thanks
[21:53] <shiftplusone> whoops.... wrong nick, but close enough >.>
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[21:54] <timthelion> I've been trying to get brltty with speech-dispatcher working(I want to have a wearable computer that talks to me out of this pi...) it's taken me all day and I haven't gotten anything working.
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[21:54] <shiftplusone> =(
[21:55] <timthelion> I'm a bit afraid that pulseaudio's conception of multi-user sound is fundamentally incompatible with system wide TTS screen reading.
[21:55] <saedelaere> ah yes, thank you gordonDrogon. so your changing priority for the whole process instead of a single thread.
[21:56] <gordonDrogon> saedelaere, however, looking at pthread_setschedparam() that seems like it might be a better idea for some thing.
[21:56] <timthelion> without pulseaudio, everything worked, but speech-dispatcher is compiled without alsa support... Maybe I should just recompile it myself.
[21:56] <ParkerR> shiftplusone, woo its flashing the image
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[21:57] <saedelaere> gordonDrogon: yeah i will have to play with both of them. thanks for your help!
[21:58] <ParkerR> shiftplusone, thanks for the tip
[21:58] <shiftplusone> np, hope it works
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[22:00] <ParkerR> It be one thing if this was just a microSD in a half-sized adapter but in my case it was a broken SD card casing that I just took the PCB out of and glued into another SD card (microSD adapter)
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[22:00] <zleap> ParkerR, good hack :)
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[22:05] <ParkerR> zleap, https://i.imgur.com/vgGSYiF.jpg
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[22:05] <zleap> ohh small then
[22:06] <ParkerR> That's why with a lot of normal sized SD card you can just cut them in half
[22:06] <zleap> ah
[22:06] <ParkerR> Because thePCB is only that big
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[22:06] <zleap> so if you want to destroy it cut along the pcb
[22:07] <ParkerR> Heh
[22:07] <[Ex0r]> ParkerR- thats the only part of the sd card thats used? WTF is it 3x that size than
[22:07] <ParkerR> [Ex0r], So they fit into existing SD card readers...
[22:08] <[Ex0r]> eerr, why is it that size
[22:08] <ParkerR> The PCB wasnt alwaysthis small
[22:08] <ParkerR> This is just more recent years
[22:08] <zleap> i guess its even smaller in micro sd cards
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[22:08] <[Ex0r]> and they are still fricking 60 dollars for a 32 gig
[22:08] <ParkerR> zleap, microSD is just the whole thing
[22:08] <ParkerR> shiftplusone, Success!
[22:09] <shiftplusone> hopefuly nothing is corrupted on it
[22:09] <ParkerR> mounted flash drive, dd'd the image, sync, umount /mnt, reboot
[22:10] <ParkerR> And Raspbmc is installed :D
[22:10] <ParkerR> Neat
[22:10] <zleap> shiftplusone, pr zapped ny statoc
[22:10] <zleap> static
[22:10] <zleap> *or
[22:10] <shiftplusone> *by ?
[22:11] <shiftplusone> Got one out of four though, so it's not all lost.
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[22:12] <ParkerR> shiftplusone, all good so far
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[22:14] <sraue> OpenELEC-4.0 with XBMC Gotham released: http://openelec.tv/news/22-releases/125-openelec-4-0-released
[22:14] <ParkerR> Raspbmc is where its at!
[22:15] <shiftplusone> ParkerR, for shame!
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[22:15] <ParkerR> shiftplusone, for me its better just because having access to the filesystem and a package manager
[22:16] <ParkerR> OpenELEC is great but not for my uses
[22:16] <shiftplusone> I don't care either way, I just xbmc from Raspbian.
[22:16] <shiftplusone> *just use
[22:16] <ParkerR> I remember trying that forever ago. Support was horrible
[22:20] <[Ex0r]> I just installed raspbmc on my media center pi and within 15 minutes i was ready to go
[22:20] <ParkerR> ^
[22:20] <shiftplusone> 15 minutes is kind of a long time for something like that
[22:20] <[Ex0r]> Not when you have a slow internet connection
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[22:20] <ParkerR> shiftplusone, download time
[22:20] <[Ex0r]> and it's a 300meg download to update it
[22:21] <ParkerR> It pulls the latest during install
[22:21] <[Ex0r]> if I would have chosen the full image install, it would have only taken me like 5 minutes, but I got the net install
[22:21] <ParkerR> Yeah I just did the image install
[22:21] <ParkerR> Was fairly quick
[22:21] <ParkerR> Then connected to network and it auto updated
[22:22] <[Ex0r]> when i set mine up, I only had 768kb internet
[22:22] <[Ex0r]> so it took about 15 minutes from sd card insertion to final xbmc reboot
[22:22] <[Ex0r]> and it was all automated so i didnt even need a mouse/keyboard
[22:22] <ParkerR> I love how XBMC UI navigation has finally gotten snappy on the Pi
[22:22] <sraue> the difference is... raspbmc updated XBMC only, OpenELEC-4.0 contains a completly New OS with kernel 3.14, built with gcc-4.9, includes systemd support now etc... we worked hard every day since moren then a 3/4 on this with daily commits :-)
[22:23] <[Ex0r]> I experience lag sometimes if the pi has been on for long periods of time
[22:23] <ParkerR> sraue, damn I might give it a shot
[22:23] <shiftplusone> why does it need systemd?
[22:23] <ParkerR> Faster bot
[22:23] <ParkerR> *boot
[22:23] <shiftplusone> doesn't seem like you need a full blown init system
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[22:24] <ParkerR> Services can be delayed to start after XBMC starts for example
[22:24] <shiftplusone> ParkerR, not faster than your own init script with just what you need.
[22:24] <ParkerR> True
[22:24] <[Ex0r]> Why is a faster boot needed? My pi boots up in like 10 seconds
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[22:24] <ParkerR> I mean that was just my guess
[22:25] <ParkerR> sraue probably knows more :P
[22:25] <shiftplusone> [Ex0r], why wait longer than you need to? If you're using it as media centre, you want it to be as close to instant-on as possible.
[22:25] <[Ex0r]> 10 seconds is sort of long, but that includes the startup script I use to scrape for new content at startup
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[22:25] <shiftplusone> The current tv I have takes something like 10 seconds to turn on and it just doesn't seem reasonable (I suspect it runs linux)
[22:25] <sraue> shiftplusone, our old own init system was fast and nice but limited... on x86 now systemd also is responsible for suspend/wakeup, we can start/stop services more easy and have support to stop xbmc to run browsers/emulators (or steam if you want) (this for x86)
[22:26] <shiftplusone> ah, I forget you're multi-platform. Yeah, makes sense.
[22:26] <[Ex0r]> shiftplusone- because my pi is always on, and the only time it reboots it takes longer for my tv to turn on and detect the pi than it does to boot
[22:27] <ParkerR> #firstworldproblems
[22:27] <shiftplusone> that's good
[22:27] <[Ex0r]> lol parker
[22:27] <[Ex0r]> our problems consist of long wait times for tvs to start, while others have problems like not eating for 2 months
[22:27] <ParkerR> Thats about like my Chromecast. Plugged into the TV for power. TV takes just about as long to start as the Chromecast does
[22:28] <[Ex0r]> the chromecast seems like a piece from what i've seen. A cousin has it, and I checked it out.
[22:28] <ParkerR> I like it
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[22:29] <timthelion> [Ex0r]: Oh, come on, what percentage of the world population is actually hungry? You'd be surprised to find that most people suffering from food shortages live in relatively wealthy countries, because war is good for the economy.
[22:30] <[Ex0r]> timthelion- I didn't say a majority had the problems, I said some others.
[22:30] <[Ex0r]> Third world countries, for example
[22:30] <ParkerR> [Ex0r], http://i.imgur.com/VRPGvo5.jpg
[22:30] <shiftplusone> Not very relevant, anyway.
[22:31] <[Ex0r]> lol wow parker, what is that
[22:31] <ParkerR> [Ex0r], the Chromecast, heh
[22:31] <shiftplusone> looks like a chromecast with a heatsink
[22:31] <[Ex0r]> oh, you took it apart ?
[22:31] <shiftplusone> yeah... that
[22:31] <timthelion> [Ex0r]: He's been overclocking his key chain
[22:32] <ParkerR> Its just kinda became my secondary device so I figured I would just take it apart for fun. Thermal paste and some thread and I had myself a heatsink on it
[22:32] <ParkerR> *It
[22:33] <[Ex0r]> ha
[22:33] <ParkerR> Still works fine, and if anything just increased the lifespan of it
[22:33] * IT_Sean rolls his eyes
[22:33] <IT_Sean> Not necessarily... you may have actually shortened the lifespan of it.
[22:33] <ParkerR> Better cooling...
[22:33] <IT_Sean> Again, not necessarily.
[22:34] <IT_Sean> just gobbing a heatsink on something does not mean it will absolutely run cooler
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[22:36] <atouk> now if you put on a black tactical cooler, that would have made it mil spec
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[22:37] <shiftplusone> Looking cool there, ShorTie.
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[22:37] <[Ex0r]> I have a 5v case fan in my case for the xcade i hooked up
[22:37] <ShorTie> sweet
[22:38] <[Ex0r]> It's mainly just to keep the warm air circulated for the other components like the psu
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[23:23] <[Ex0r]> so shiftplusone, when I test to see which one is ground, when I probe the wires and the multimeter reads +5v, the wire with the black probe is the ground ?
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[23:24] <shiftplusone> hopefuly
[23:24] <[Ex0r]> if it reads -5v, switch the probes around to verify it now reads +5v
[23:24] <shiftplusone> is it the one with the stripe?
[23:24] <[Ex0r]> i dont know yet, havent probed
[23:25] <shiftplusone> ah
[23:25] <[Ex0r]> wanted to make sure that was right before I did it
[23:25] <shiftplusone> yeah
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[23:26] <[Ex0r]> k. Is it possible the psu can send too much amperage to the hub? It says it requires 2A
[23:26] <[Ex0r]> but not sure if the psu pushes more than 2a
[23:26] <shiftplusone> Someone already answered that
[23:26] <shiftplusone> PSUs don't "push"
[23:27] <shiftplusone> or at least the voltage is the "push"
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[23:27] <shiftplusone> the current depends on the load
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[23:27] <shiftplusone> the 2A is just the maximum the supply claims to be able to provide (should the load be high enough)
[23:27] <[Ex0r]> so the psu, as long as its not bogged down, will be able to provide 2a if the pulling device is asking for it ?
[23:28] <shiftplusone> yes 'up to'
[23:28] <[Ex0r]> but it wont give MORE than, since the device will never ask for more
[23:28] <shiftplusone> I wouldn't say that
[23:28] <[Ex0r]> then*
[23:29] <shiftplusone> to help understand it conceptually, think of the load as a variable resistor
[23:29] <shiftplusone> the lower the resistance, the higher the current drawn
[23:29] <chod> voltage pushed the current through the resistance
[23:29] <chod> pushes
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[23:30] <shiftplusone> there's nothing stopping the resistance being so low that the PSU is 'asked' to provide more than 2A.
[23:31] <chod> unless the psu is regulated properly
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[23:31] <shiftplusone> (see, there's no real 'asking', the load does whatever it needs to, so "the device will never ask for more" doesn't make sense)
[23:32] * shiftplusone wonders if he just overcomplicated or simplified things.
[23:32] <[Ex0r]> lol
[23:33] <[Ex0r]> I was more worried about popping the hub by giving it too much, but as long as I supply 5v like it asks that shouldnt happen
[23:33] <[Ex0r]> s/asks/requires
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[23:43] <[Ex0r]> alright, so from testing I found out that there are two wires. One has a light grey/white dashed stripe on it, one has white/gray writing on it
[23:43] <[Ex0r]> the one with the dashed line is positive
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[23:45] <shiftplusone> on your multimeter.... is the black probe plugged into the -ve terminal?
[23:46] <shiftplusone> ('common')
[23:46] <[Ex0r]> yeah
[23:46] <[Ex0r]> and the red one is plugged into the one with the ohm symbol
[23:46] <[Ex0r]> V ohm mA
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[23:48] <shiftplusone> k
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[23:49] <[Ex0r]> I guess it makes sense, usually the all black wire is ground isnt it
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[23:49] <shiftplusone> yes, but the stripe is also usually used to indicate the negative wire so....
[23:50] <shiftplusone> or maybe I am wrong... google time
[23:50] <shiftplusone> ah that explains it
[23:50] <shiftplusone> I was wrong
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[23:50] <shiftplusone> "Usually* the wire with the white stripe or the dashed lines carries the "positive" (+) end, while the other, unmarked wire carries the "negative" (-) end."
[23:50] <[Ex0r]> ah
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[23:51] <shiftplusone> "*I say "usually" since I've seen a wall wart with the wires were reversed, although every other wall wart I've used does it the way I've described above. "
[23:51] <[Ex0r]> just read that too, but it was related to speaker wire
[23:52] <shiftplusone> wire is wire
[23:52] <[Ex0r]> cool so let me get this wired up really quick and test it out
[23:52] * shiftplusone gets the blast shield
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[23:52] <[Ex0r]> haha
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[23:55] <[Ex0r]> whats the worst that could happen? It blows up half a block ? I think you're safe.
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[23:58] <[Ex0r]> well we have power
[23:59] <[Ex0r]> so thats a good sign, ha

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