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IRC Log for 2014-05-07

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[0:02] <Tachyon`> just don't expect those displays to vertically scroll, they have 'interesting' internal memory maps so if you want to do that you'll need a buffer and proabbly will have to update it all when it scrolls at least
[0:03] <punits> hi
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[0:04] <punits> i m trying to stream video from picam over wifi
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[0:04] <punits> how do I optimize for the video latency
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[0:08] <punits> \whois punits
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[0:09] <atouk> \who are any of us, really?
[0:10] <shiftplusone> deep
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[0:21] <SpeedEvil> Bags of impure water, with delusions of selfhood.
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[0:22] <SpeedEvil> There is no self, it's a manifestation of the circuitry designed to work out what others will do applying it to ourselves.
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[0:28] <[Ex0r]> pkato visio 70" led
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[0:30] <pksato> ah... 70 inch monitor?
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[0:38] <malfunct> SpeedEvil, I'm not sure that any of the circuitry was designed
[0:39] <SpeedEvil> Evolved
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[1:21] <bel3atar> ARM11 or ARMv6? I'm confused
[1:22] <shiftplusone> ARM11 == ARMv6
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[1:34] <[Ex0r]> no tv
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[1:59] <nerdboy> [Saint]: seen this yet?
[2:00] <nerdboy> http://stilldrinking.org/programming-sucks
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[2:00] <nerdboy> this guy is *good*
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[2:00] <nerdboy> so good my spleen hurts...
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[2:15] <elspru> hi, is there a tutorial for installing a headless raspberry-pi? i.e. installing over the network.
[2:16] <shiftplusone> https://github.com/hifi/raspbian-ua-netinst
[2:16] <ShorTie> raspbian should already setup for headless, just gotta find it's ip address
[2:17] <shiftplusone> or what he said
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[2:17] <ShorTie> or what he said
[2:18] <elspru> ShorTie: it doesn't connect to network after I put it in. I'll try this git archive
[2:19] <shiftplusone> elspru, do you know if it even boots?
[2:19] <elspru> how do I find out?
[2:19] <shiftplusone> does the ACT LED do anything when you power it up?
[2:20] <elspru> there is a small green dot there.
[2:20] <shiftplusone> it's not able to read the card then
[2:20] <shiftplusone> do you write the image already?
[2:20] <elspru> do I have to format it in a special way?
[2:20] <ShorTie> not line of green and yellow led's
[2:20] <shiftplusone> can you tell me what you've done so far to the sd card?
[2:21] <elspru> yep I've tried dd ing the openBSD image, also tried doing format vfat and unziping NOOBS as was mentioned on raspberrypi blog
[2:21] <ShorTie> not when writing an image, it formats it the way that is needed
[2:21] <shiftplusone> what's on it now, NOOBS?
[2:22] <elspru> yes, I formatted 4GB sd card, set it to win32 format, with bootable flag, formated it vfat and unzipped the contents of NOOBS.
[2:22] <shiftplusone> the bootable flag doesn't do anything, but it doesn't hurt
[2:22] <shiftplusone> but yeah,t hat should at least boot it
[2:23] <shiftplusone> you can't do a headless install that way (easily), but it 'should' work, if you've done it right.
[2:23] <shiftplusone> so it may be a bad contact with the sd card
[2:23] <shiftplusone> (common)
[2:23] <shiftplusone> try pushing the card against the contacts with your thumb as you power it up and see if the ACT LED does anything different?
[2:24] <elspru> k I'll try brb
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[2:25] <rikkib> Destroyed prototype hardware to the right. Reusable stuff, including spare nRF24 to the left... http://www.zlham.geek.nz/images/news/windvane8.jpg
[2:26] <rikkib> SMD resistors and capacitors do not fair well when removed...
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[2:30] <elspru> nope no change
[2:32] <shiftplusone> do you have another card to try?
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[2:33] <ShorTie> if you have windows around, try using win32diskimager and write raspbian to it
[2:34] <elspru> I'm thinking it might be the adapter, unfortunately I don't have anything that uses the big SD cards to test it..
[2:34] <elspru> I use linux only
[2:34] <shiftplusone> dd is fine, if you use it right
[2:34] <shiftplusone> that is, write the .img file to the disk, not the partition (as some people)
[2:35] <shiftplusone> *do )
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[2:35] <elspru> I did it with the openbsd image. it was same result.
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[2:35] <elspru> is there a raspbian image I can try?
[2:36] <shiftplusone> on the raspberrypi.org download page
[2:36] <ShorTie> what command did you use ??
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[2:39] <elspru> dd if=rpi-netbsd-6.img of=/dev/sdb
[2:40] <shiftplusone> that would do it
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[2:41] <shiftplusone> but the 'faint dot' is actually the pi stuck in a loop flashing the LED very quickly. This happens when it can't find bootcode.bin on the fat32 partition. That may be because it's not partitioned right, bootcode.bin is missing, the card is messed up, or there's an issue with the physical connection.
[2:42] <shiftplusone> I've had to replace the sd card slot on one of my pis to get it to work.
[2:43] <elspru> hmmm, I tried another adapter, same thing. can try another card.
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[2:44] <retrosenator> anyone know of a good low cost lcd display 4" or so?
[2:45] <elspru> so is vfat the correct partition type?
[2:45] <shiftplusone> elspru, yes
[2:45] <Herb_Tarlek> you mean like video display, or character display?
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[2:47] <retrosenator> Herb_Tarlek: video to do accelerated graphics
[2:47] <ShorTie> rear view tft lcd hook up thru composite video and work good
[2:48] <shiftplusone> I'd wait for the official display to come out
[2:48] <elspru> tried a fresh card, same thing...
[2:48] <shiftplusone> unless you need it soon, I suppose
[2:48] <Herb_Tarlek> http://www.amazon.com/dp/B005CFLMNC/
[2:48] <ShorTie> but blow the little more for the 5" with the higher resolution
[2:48] <Herb_Tarlek> $16
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[2:50] <elspru> so do you think it's faulty?
[2:50] <ShorTie> ya, 4's are like 20, and 5's are like 30, but i like the higher resolution on the 5 compared to the 4
[2:50] <[Ex0r]> -m
[2:51] <retrosenator> Herb_Tarlek: cool.. and this display is the same as if I used the hdmi?
[2:51] <retrosenator> Herb_Tarlek: the quality is the same?
[2:51] <[Ex0r]> its rca
[2:51] <[Ex0r]> no its not the same
[2:51] <Herb_Tarlek> haha no
[2:51] <Herb_Tarlek> it's redeeming value is that it's cheap
[2:51] <shiftplusone> elspru, my money is on the connector being the holder, but I've been wrong about that before. If you don't want to mess around trying to figure out what's wrong, get it replaced.
[2:51] <retrosenator> [Ex0r]: is the difference noticable at the small display size?
[2:51] <[Ex0r]> is that covered underer warranty ?
[2:52] <[Ex0r]> retrosenator- probably MORE noticeable
[2:52] <retrosenator> oh, resolution is very low
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[2:52] <[Ex0r]> stuff is smaller so the blurriness is much more noticeable
[2:52] <retrosenator> If I want a higher resolution, say 640x480 in 4.3 display?
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[2:52] <elspru> shiftplusone: k I'll contact the seller.
[2:53] <retrosenator> I might get that one because of price.. since I have no display
[2:54] <retrosenator> but 480x272 is a little low
[2:54] <[Ex0r]> not for that small of a screen its not
[2:54] <ShorTie> look at this maybe http://www.ebay.com/itm/5-High-Resolution-HD-800-480-Car-TFT-LCD-Monitor-Screen-2ch-Video-/261428887656?pt=US_Rear_View_Monitors_Cams_Kits&hash=item3cde604068
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[2:55] <retrosenator> nice one
[2:55] <Herb_Tarlek> That's a much better option.
[2:55] <retrosenator> well unless you needed cheaper and smaller
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[2:56] <retrosenator> anyway.. is there a noticable difference between the analog video and hdmi for this stuff?
[2:57] <ShorTie> here is a 5 and a 4 side by side https://www.dropbox.com/s/44llq11uhhyyq8g/IMAG0004.JPG
[2:57] <retrosenator> hdmi on left?
[2:58] <ShorTie> no, both composite
[2:58] <retrosenator> oh just different resolution and size?
[2:58] <ShorTie> Yuppers ... :)
[2:58] <retrosenator> ok, I like the 5" one..
[2:58] <retrosenator> is it daylight visible though?
[2:59] <retrosenator> or maybe it's possible to add stronger leds
[2:59] <SirLagz> retrosenator: Huge difference between Analog and HDMI.
[2:59] <retrosenator> doesn't the analog output individual pixels as per clock?
[2:59] <retrosenator> so the results are the same?
[2:59] <[Ex0r]> retrosenator- that 5" one on ebay has hood over it
[3:00] <retrosenator> obviously really high resolutions may suffer from this.. but for relatively small displays?
[3:00] <[Ex0r]> to help with glare a bit
[3:00] <retrosenator> cool
[3:00] <retrosenator> very cheap good option
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[3:00] <SirLagz> retrosenator: small displays aren't as bad, but in my experience, still a huge difference in readability. But then again I have crap eyes :P
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[3:01] <retrosenator> would be interested in side by side comparisons but ok
[3:02] <[Ex0r]> only way you'll get that is finding a local retailer that will allow you to attach your pi to each one using both outputs
[3:02] <ShorTie> reading text is a lot easier on the 5 with the higher resolution
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[3:03] <ShorTie> alot crisper and sharper
[3:03] <SirLagz> anyone tried using the Pi through a Video Capture card ?
[3:03] <SirLagz> to get video out on a normal PC
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[3:04] <retrosenator> g2g thanks
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[3:04] <shiftplusone> SirLagz, I'll give it a go next time I am on windows. My tuner doesn't work well on linux.
[3:04] <SirLagz> shiftplusone: I manage to get some video output on mine, but the resolution is *tiny*. I'm wondering if I'm doing something wrong =/
[3:05] <shiftplusone> 640*480 or whatever it is?
[3:05] <SirLagz> shiftplusone: looks even smaller than that
[3:05] <shiftplusone> you can adjust all that in config.txt
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[3:05] <SirLagz> maybe I'll need to have a play around with that then
[3:05] <shiftplusone> though it's just scaled to PAL/NTSC, so you'd just be losing information.
[3:06] <SirLagz> not that much though
[3:06] * nerdboy wonders .. who knew pi people were so serious?
[3:06] <SirLagz> PAL is 576 orsomething
[3:06] <shiftplusone> nerdboy, eh? O_o
[3:07] <nerdboy> i can see ignoring my jokes, but that guy is reall good
[3:07] <nerdboy> http://stilldrinking.org/programming-sucks
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[3:07] <shiftplusone> ah
[3:08] <shiftplusone> I stumbled on that a few days ago, started reading, but it didn't hold my interest.
[3:08] * SirLagz tries to open on his Windows computer at work. Stares at frozen screen. *sigH*
[3:08] <SirLagz> I miss linux :(
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[3:11] <nerdboy> really? i started it, got distracted, almost bested my spleen finishing it
[3:11] <SirLagz> nerdboy: i got bored lol.
[3:11] <nerdboy> heh, busted even
[3:11] <nerdboy> meh, wasn't long enough for that
[3:12] <nerdboy> maybe you just don't like essay format
[3:12] <Tachyon`> hrm, speaking of weird display memory maps, just made a font for a littke 128x64 OLED and got someting on its side and mirrored, lol
[3:12] <SirLagz> nerdboy: probably
[3:12] <SirLagz> nerdboy: If i was at home I'd probably keep reading
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[3:13] * nerdboy thought it was good enough to "buy the book"
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[3:14] <nerdboy> ostensibly for my wife, of course
[3:14] <nerdboy> she likes real books
[3:14] <SirLagz> haha
[3:14] <SirLagz> my wife likes real books too...but not the ones that I like
[3:15] <nerdboy> how can you not like a book called "And Then I thought I Was a Fish..."
[3:16] <[Ex0r]> the same way some people dont like a book called 'A song of fire and ice'
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[3:16] <nerdboy> um, the first one sounds much better...
[3:16] * ShorTie has never read a book in his life .. :/~
[3:16] <nerdboy> to me anyway...
[3:16] <SirLagz> shiftplusone: Text Books in school ? :P
[3:17] <nerdboy> ShorTie: try the essay, you might like it
[3:17] <[Ex0r]> second book is the basis of a hit hbo tv series
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[3:18] <ShorTie> i'm 53 and have given up on all that, lol.
[3:18] <SirLagz> er. shortie - Text Books in school ? :P
[3:18] * nerdboy doesn't have hbo
[3:18] <nerdboy> ShorTie: it's pure comedy
[3:18] <[Ex0r]> me either, I torrent it every monday night >.,
[3:18] <[Ex0r]> >.<*
[3:18] <nerdboy> only somewhat technical...
[3:18] <ShorTie> heck, i had a hard time getting thru the cliff notes, let alone a real book
[3:19] <SirLagz> heh
[3:19] <nerdboy> and not very long
[3:19] <[Ex0r]> game of thrones, once you get past the first episode, it's hard to look away
[3:20] <SirLagz> I still haven't seen any Game Of Thrones yet. I'm stealing all the stuff up until now off a mate soon though so will have something to look forward to :D
[3:20] <shiftplusone> bah... circuit breaker tripped >=/
[3:20] <ShorTie> thats not nice
[3:20] <[Ex0r]> SirLagz- If you are like I was, once you get past the first episode you'll watch them all back to back to back
[3:20] <SirLagz> shiftplusone: lol...what'd you do ?
[3:21] * nerdboy 's wife is the AntiGeek and still likes to watch TV...
[3:21] <SirLagz> [Ex0r]: I won't have the time to watch them back to back :P
[3:21] <shiftplusone> nothing =/
[3:21] <[Ex0r]> i didnt think i would either
[3:21] <nerdboy> satellite tv, but still tv...
[3:21] <[Ex0r]> but i somehow made time to watch 4 seasons and catch up in a weekend (a total of 3 days)
[3:21] <SirLagz> shiftplusone: you've broken the matrix !
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[3:21] <SirLagz> [Ex0r]: you got kids ?
[3:21] <[Ex0r]> yeah
[3:21] <SirLagz> how old ?
[3:22] <[Ex0r]> 5 and 3
[3:22] <SirLagz> I'm amazed you managed to get away from them for that long :P
[3:22] <[Ex0r]> they both have nabi's and nintendo 3ds that keep them company
[3:22] <nerdboy> 21, 23, 25...
[3:22] <[Ex0r]> my son already walks around grabbing his junk and shaking it, don't need him watching people screwing on tv
[3:23] <SirLagz> [Ex0r]: bahahahaha
[3:23] <shiftplusone> looks like I didn't lose any work, yay.
[3:23] * nerdboy still paying for 2 in school
[3:23] <[Ex0r]> still trying to figure out why im getting those weird hdmi issues on bigger tvs and higher resolutions
[3:23] <[Ex0r]> two identical tvs, one has artifacting the other has a black screen
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[3:24] <[Ex0r]> both 1080
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[5:32] <tapout> does the pi have enough IO to pause/record live tv?
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[5:34] <Xark> tapout: It can pause playback, but AFAIK it has no way to record (or encode) a video stream.
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[5:34] <nerdboy> does a cow have enough feathers to fly?
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[5:37] <tapout> nerdboy, did you see the news? 2 cows were at 1000 agl and caused 2 737's to divert
[5:37] <shiftplusone> XD
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[5:44] <nerdboy> heh
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[6:19] <ShadowLink> Heya, anyone awake? Could use some quick advice before I go and wreck my Pi :p
[6:20] <shiftplusone> I recommend high voltages
[6:20] <ShadowLink> Hehe
[6:21] <ShadowLink> Actually, I want to know if I can dremel pieces off of the Pi without runing it
[6:21] <shiftplusone> depends ont he pieces
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[6:22] <ShadowLink> I'm making a Pi-in-a-Gameboy. Here's a picture of what I'm planning to cut off http://i.imgur.com/uRiRSGi.jpg
[6:22] <ShadowLink> Would that ruin it?
[6:22] <ShadowLink> As far as I know, that area is empty of traces underneath the solder mask, but I'm most likely wrong
[6:22] <shiftplusone> hmm
[6:23] <shiftplusone> Looks like you're right
[6:23] <shiftplusone> http://www.raspberrypi.org/wp-content/uploads/2011/11/gerbers2.png
[6:24] <ShadowLink> Yeah, I saw that earlier
[6:24] <ShadowLink> That's what made me think it was safe to do
[6:24] <shiftplusone> One way to know for usre
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[6:25] <ShadowLink> From what I hear, the Pi has 6 layers. Though, I'm not sure if that picture shows them all
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[6:27] <ShadowLink> But you're right. Won't know until I try. I'm still ordering some parts though, so I won't get around to this until probably the weekend
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[6:28] <ShadowLink> Around what times might this channel be most active, shiftplusone?
[6:28] <Xark> ShadowLink: RPi is 4 layers (one reason for funky layout and choices for GPIO) -> http://www.raspberrypi.org/final-pcb-artwork/
[6:28] <shiftplusone> ShadowJK, when UK people wake up
[6:28] <Xark> ShadowLink: No, nevermind, you are correct. 6 layers. :)
[6:28] <shiftplusone> *ShadowLink
[6:29] <ShadowLink> Ah, so you guys are still asleep
[6:29] <shiftplusone> in about 3 hours
[6:29] <ShadowLink> Just wanted to get multiple people chiming in
[6:29] <ShadowLink> I'm not really afraid of losing out on $35, but I don't want to wait for another one to ship in :\
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[6:31] <shiftplusone> I think you should man up and make the cut now >.>
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[6:31] <shiftplusone> (I am curious)
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[6:35] <ShadowLink> Hehe
[6:35] <ShadowLink> I probably won't have to place it that low, but in the event that I do, I'll post the results on the forums :p
[6:36] <ShadowLink> Still have to desolder all the components
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[6:38] <ShadowLink> Anyways, I'll probably swing back later after work. Good night!
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[7:12] <paulksl> trying to figure out if it will clear the pins on the old rev. B
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[9:31] <mayankmadan> hi everyone
[9:31] <mayankmadan> im a little confused
[9:31] <mayankmadan> a normal red led takes about 20mA of current
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[9:31] <hyperair> and?
[9:31] <mayankmadan> but gpio pins on raspberry pi can only supply maximum of 16mA
[9:32] <hyperair> mmhmm
[9:32] <mayankmadan> so i cant connect a led directly to the pi?
[9:32] <hyperair> you probably can
[9:32] <mayankmadan> but wont it damage the pins?
[9:32] <hyperair> ummmm
[9:32] <hyperair> actually i haven't a clue
[9:32] <hyperair> i think you just need to stick enough resistors
[9:33] <mayankmadan> but do i use 20mA or 16mA in the ohm's law?
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[9:33] <hyperair> use 16.
[9:33] <swiss> what
[9:33] <hyperair> that'll guarantee that your GPIO pin won't spit out more than 16mA of current
[9:34] <mayankmadan> thanks
[9:34] <hyperair> swiss: umm did i get something wrong?
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[9:34] <swiss> hyperair: no... i'm just thinking about whether 20 would be possible
[9:34] <swiss> i can't think of any way it was
[9:34] <shiftplusone> it is, it's just a bad idea
[9:35] <swiss> shiftplusone: i meant hooking up the circuit with just LED's and resistors
[9:35] <swiss> it sounds like the rpi is current limited to 16mA
[9:35] <shiftplusone> it isn't
[9:35] <hyperair> yeah i don't think it's current limited
[9:35] <hyperair> which means it probably just gets shorted and dies?
[9:35] <swiss> ah
[9:35] <shiftplusone> 16mA is what it's designed for, but you can draw more
[9:35] <hyperair> as in.. >16mA == burn
[9:35] <hyperair> or undefined behaviour
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[9:36] <swiss> oh
[9:36] <swiss> that makes more sense
[9:36] <SirLagz> if i want a Pi to play music streamed to it via DLNA, that would be a DLNA Server that I need on the Pi right ?
[9:36] <shiftplusone> gordonDrogon frequency abuses his pi by attaching silly amounts of LEDs and it's still fine
[9:36] <shiftplusone> (but you shouldn't)
[9:36] <swiss> SirLagz: dlna client
[9:36] <SirLagz> hmm ok
[9:36] <SirLagz> I'm getting my terms confused lol
[9:36] <SirLagz> well. Actually I need the Pi to be a renderer
[9:37] <swiss> why don't you put xbmc on it, and then mount the media directory from your computer
[9:37] <SirLagz> it won't have a screen or anything
[9:37] <SirLagz> it'll just be connected to a set of speakers
[9:37] <swiss> that'd be fine
[9:37] <mayankmadan> just one more question, how much current can i draw from 5v pin ?
[9:37] <SirLagz> and I don't want anything as heavy as XBMC
[9:37] <swiss> just mount the directory and run mpd in that case
[9:38] <SirLagz> swiss: the directory isn't shared via NFS
[9:38] <SirLagz> or SAMBA
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[9:38] <swiss> not yet :P
[9:38] <SirLagz> swiss: I'm trying to stay away from using NFS/CIFS for this
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[9:38] <swiss> you could also run something like subsonic on your server, and have pi hooked the the stream
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[9:38] <hyperair> mayankmadan: i thought you said 16mA yourself just now?
[9:38] <SirLagz> swiss: what's subsonic ?
[9:39] <hyperair> <20Hz
[9:39] <hyperair> :D
[9:39] <SirLagz> I already have DLNA server setup. I'm going to have a few DLNA renderers around my house. Then I can pick the room I want to play it in, pick a song, and it'll stream it from my server
[9:39] <swiss> http://www.subsonic.org/pages/index.jsp might actually not be what Ithought
[9:39] <swiss> SirLagz: i'm just not familiar with DLNA as much as the other systems
[9:40] <swiss> i'd set up a crazy complicated pulseaudio network instead probably, but your solution might be better
[9:40] <SirLagz> swiss: haha
[9:40] <shiftplusone> mayankmadan, how much do you need to draw from 5v?
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[9:40] <swiss> pulseaudio can be awesome when you understand it, but it takes a lot of debugging to get it set up properly
[9:41] <swiss> espeically with multicast streaming so you can send to multiple speakers at a time
[9:41] <swiss> once i get my house, i'm gonna be seeing about something to track my movements through the house, and have all the speakers hooked to one multicast stream
[9:41] <swiss> then as I walk into another room, the music follows me
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[9:42] <mayankmadan> hyperair, isnt that from the gpio pins(which gives about 3.3v)
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[9:43] <hyperair> mayankmadan: oh i thought they were the same. whoops
[9:43] <mayankmadan> shiftplusone, a maximum of 25mA
[9:43] <shiftplusone> mayankmadan, then you're fine.
[9:43] <swiss> bedtime for me
[9:44] <swiss> oh, balls, i hate it when i leave my phone in another room
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[9:44] <swiss> phone hunting, then bedtime
[9:44] <mayankmadan> and is it possible if i connect the 1 terminal to pin 1(3.3v) and other to a gpio pin(also 3.3v)
[9:44] <shiftplusone> mayankmadan, eh?
[9:44] <mayankmadan> terminals of led
[9:45] <hyperair> yeah why not
[9:45] <mayankmadan> so there is no potential difference?
[9:45] <shiftplusone> why would you connect both ends to 3.3v ?
[9:45] <mayankmadan> shiftplusone, so i can turn on the led by just supplying low signal to gpio
[9:45] <hyperair> it would basically light up if the negative pin was gruonded
[9:45] <shiftplusone> ah yeah, no problem
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[9:46] <mayankmadan> im really exited but still waiting to get an LED :)
[9:46] <mgottschlag> somewhat related: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Charlieplexing
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[10:24] <gordonDrogon> ughhhhhh Charlieplexing )-:
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[11:46] <vegetablesalad19> Hello, I have question about GPIO pin nr. Sometimes they are refered as GPIO-0,1,..4,5,7 , sometimes by pin nr. 7,11,12 and other times there is GPIO that starts from > 4. Whats up wit that? For example GPIO-0 == pin nr. 7 == GPIO-4
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[11:54] <DoctorD90> vegetablesalad19: maybe is because exist ver1 and ver2
[11:54] <DoctorD90> rev1/rev2 ....as people want say
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[11:55] <DoctorD90> number pins change. let's google about ;)
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[11:57] <mfa298> vegetablesalad19: some of it depends on where you're refering to the gpio pins. If you're talking direct to the broadcom chip you need to use the numbers that it knows about (which arn't the same as the pin numbers). If you're using a library that may do the number translation for you.
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[12:13] <bigx> hi there, is there anyone experienced with the mcp3008 and spi?
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[12:14] <ShorTie> ya, i've played with 1
[12:14] <ShorTie> whats sup ??
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[12:15] <bigx> i tried different things such as this one
[12:15] <bigx> http://hertaville.com/2013/07/24/interfacing-an-spi-adc-mcp3008-chip-to-the-raspberry-pi-using-c/
[12:15] <bigx> and I got a lot of false values
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[12:16] <bigx> I made a bit banging node.js library (i.e. not with the spi module) and it was working fine
[12:17] <bigx> now, when I try to use the rpi spi, I got false values
[12:17] <ShorTie> i use the library built into wiringPi
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[12:18] <bigx> is there a gpio cmd line too for that?
[12:18] <ShorTie> Sir Gordon has done some great work in wiringPi
[12:18] <ShorTie> i believe so
[12:19] <ShorTie> this might help http://www.raspberrypi.org/forums/viewtopic.php?t=54366&p=470706
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[12:19] <ShorTie> and/or get wiringPi and look thru his examples, i believe ther is 1 in there for it
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[12:23] <bigx> thx ShorTie
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[12:26] <bigx> the problem is that i cant find any doc on the aread
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[12:27] <bigx> I use it like this
[12:27] <bigx> gpio -x mcp3004:100:0 aread 0
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[12:27] <bigx> but i'm not sure of the numbers
[12:28] <ShorTie> hmmm, are you trying to do this in a program or from command line ??
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[12:34] <gordonDrogon> bigx, that should be: gpio -x mcp3004:100:0 aread 100
[12:34] <gordonDrogon> as you assign pin 100 as the base pin of the mcp3004
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[12:38] <bigx> thx gordonDrogon, but i don't get the concept of pin base :s
[12:39] <bigx> the command you give reads the value at channel 0 of the adc?
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[12:43] <can0pus> I own a RPi and a Cubietruck, they are both great for my needs. I am looking for a new mini computer with x64 architecture for homeserver use. It should be as small and cheap as possible, should have real (!) GBit/s NIC with full throughput of ~112MB/sec, SATA connector for a 2.5" disk drive and fully compatible for running Debian Wheezy/Jessie on it. Any suggestions?
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[12:45] <[Saint]> There's a plethora of picoATX boards out there.
[12:46] <[Saint]> Go nuts.
[12:46] <mgottschlag> can0pus: I was just looking at the minnowboard for something like this
[12:46] <mgottschlag> not 64bit though iirc
[12:47] <mgottschlag> but otherwise it should be comparably fast
[12:47] <ShorTie> or look into a itx motherboard maybe
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[12:47] <mgottschlag> yeah, that would be the other choice
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[12:53] <can0pus> mgottschlag: the minnowboard max is already available (with case) ? Didn't find any shop here in Germany for purchasing it? But I need 64bit.
[12:53] <gordonDrogon> bigx, what you're doing is adding a new device into wiringPi. the Pi itself has a pin base of zero (0). When you add a new device into wiringPi, you give it a new base number - 100 in this case.
[12:54] <[Saint]> If you need 64bit, the availability is irrelevant, surely.
[12:54] <mgottschlag> if you need 64bit, I guess that is because you need more than 4GB memory?
[12:54] <can0pus> ShorTie: I want to keep it really small and simple, preferrable with no fan. Like a Cubietruck or Raspberry Pi said :) maybe an Intel NUC would do the job?
[12:54] <gordonDrogon> can0pus, HP Microserver.
[12:54] <can0pus> mgottschlag: no, the reason is that some applications I want to run on it only are available for 64bit systems. The installer checks that and it's not enough to just install ia32-libs etc.
[12:55] <can0pus> gordonDrogon: HP microserver rocks, no question. But it's too big and too expensive. It's another class
[12:55] <mgottschlag> those boards like minnowboard/nuc are actually 64bit btw
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[12:55] <can0pus> mgottschlag: do you know a shop in Europe (preferrable Germany) where I coudl get price quotes for the minnowboard max ?
[12:56] <mgottschlag> looking right now
[12:57] <mgottschlag> doesn't look like it is available at all
[12:57] <mgottschlag> not even digikey/mouser have it
[12:57] <mgottschlag> "in stock at our distributor sites by the end of June 2014"
[12:58] <can0pus> the other question for the minnowboard max is: can I freely install any Linux distribution of my choice onto it? When I check http://www.minnowboard.org/os-images/ I see there is a site hosted with available os images. Does that mean only predefined images can be used (like on Raspberrypi, Cubietruck) ? that's not good. i would be able to chooce a Linux distribution of my choice
[12:58] <mgottschlag> btw, at those prices, I usually just buy from digikey/mouser as shipping is free, and express shipping from the US is *fast* :D
[12:58] <mgottschlag> then take a nuc or something more like a regular x86 computer
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[13:00] <bigx> ah ok, so the mcp3004 are 100/101/102 and 103, is that it? thx gordonDrogon
[13:00] <Triffid_Hunter> can0pus: there's nothing stopping you using other OSes on rpi, cubie, etc except the knowledge required to build appropriate binaries
[13:00] <bigx> *mpc3004 pins (the 4channels)
[13:01] <can0pus> Triffid_Hunter: you always have restrictions on such boards like RPi, Cubietruck, etc... for example the limiting factor of same bus (USB+NIC on the RPi), or the GBit/s NIC on the Cubietruck whihc only can achieve a trhoughput of about 500-600 MBit/s due to driver or hardware related reasons
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[13:02] <Triffid_Hunter> can0pus: feel free to make your own board with no such restriction
[13:02] <[Saint]> You can, yes, but...that doesn't make what Triffid_Hunter said unture.
[13:02] <[Saint]> He merely meant "if you want another OS, then, port it like the other people that wanted it did originally"
[13:03] <[Saint]> *untrue
[13:04] <Triffid_Hunter> [Saint]: not even, all the porting work is done already
[13:04] <[Saint]> I wouldn't go that far...
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[13:05] <can0pus> I see, ok. Well, not to be misunderstood: I am quite happy with my RPi and Cubietruck. But the reason I am looking for alternatives is that I cannot use these boards for my needs. As example: both RPi and CT are arm arch. I have two applications that don't run on ARM and not fully open-source so I could compile. Even if you have an OSS it is a pain in the ass. Anyone how tried to compile Zarafa on RPi or CT kno
[13:05] <Triffid_Hunter> [Saint]: so where do the various rpi distributions come from?
[13:05] <Triffid_Hunter> can0pus: that's a problem caused by being bound to closed-source software, not a deficiency of the platforms in question here
[13:06] <[Saint]> You said "all", though. That's a rather wide designation that flatly isn't true.
[13:06] <Triffid_Hunter> if you need x86 then you need x86, plenty of those around ;)
[13:06] <can0pus> Triffid_Hunter: See the example Zarafa which I mentioned, which is Open-Source
[13:06] <Triffid_Hunter> can0pus: not familiar with zarafa, can't comment on that one
[13:06] <can0pus> yes, that's why I am asking you guys here, if you can suggest an comparable good x64 system. So you think, the Intel NUC will fit best to my needs?
[13:09] <mgottschlag> probably
[13:10] <Triffid_Hunter> can0pus: if you're looking for cheap, x64 has been around for a while, should be able to find plenty of 2nd hand desktops which would do quite fine
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[13:11] <can0pus> Triffid_Hunter: should be small,fanless and cheap. The 2nd hand desktops would be cheap, yes, but not fulfilling the other 2 requirements :)
[13:12] <Triffid_Hunter> can0pus: I'm not sure x64 is available in small,fanless,cheap.. I've seen plenty of industrial control boards that might carry x64 but they cost a bit more than a 2nd hand desktop
[13:13] <can0pus> is Intel NUC x86 oder x64, do you know that?
[13:13] <bigx> I really don't get why measures from a mcp3004 and spi module enabled are so weird, when my bit bang code (i.e. without spi) are accurate
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[13:15] <Triffid_Hunter> can0pus: intel site says they come with i3 or i5
[13:15] <mgottschlag> they come with more than that, although I guess all are x64
[13:16] <can0pus> I am quite confused, there are lots of Intel NUC models available, right?
[13:16] <mgottschlag> yeah
[13:17] <mgottschlag> the Gizmo board might be a similar alternative
[13:17] <can0pus> the i3 and i5 are 4th generation of Intel NUC, correct?
[13:17] <can0pus> Gizmo board? never heard of that ...
[13:17] <mgottschlag> similar, but with an AMD processor
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[13:17] <mgottschlag> which probably means slower CPU and faster GPU though, so not exactly what you want
[13:19] <can0pus> http://www.gizmosphere.org/why-gizmo/gizmoboard/ Oh I see ... but not really what I am looking for. However, thank you
[13:21] <can0pus> if I would purchase an Intel NUC, I need to purchase also extra RAM for it, because it comes with NO RAM installed, right? I already have a 2.5 HD which I would install into the NUC. But am I able to boot Debian on the Intel NUC (not from my harddisk!) ?
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[13:21] <can0pus> does the NUC have sd or MMC slot, or maybe I could use a 8GB USB stick to boot Debian from the USB stick? will that work?
[13:22] <mgottschlag> I think everybody in this channel would need to google that as well
[13:22] <can0pus> ok, sorry
[13:22] <bigx> gordonDrogon, when i use "gpio -x mcp3004:100:0 aread 100" it returns me weird values (from 0 to 1023)
[13:23] <bigx> when I use my node.js lib (https://github.com/xseignard/adcPi) it returns accurate values (a photocell, value around 660 right now)
[13:23] <ShorTie> i believe that is what it is suppose to do isn't it ??
[13:24] <bigx> ShorTie, yes it should return a value between 0 and 1023, but a "stable" one if the sensor is not "disturbed"
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[13:25] <bigx> I have a rpi with ehternet and 256mb of ram, an old serie B
[13:25] <bigx> maybe it's a cause?
[13:25] <ShorTie> so what is the +/- factor of verious reading
[13:25] <bigx> ~5
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[13:26] <bigx> with my bit bang lib
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[13:26] <ShorTie> i would not think a ldr is stable enough to return the same exact value every time
[13:26] <bigx> and ~1023 with the gpio util
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[13:27] <bigx> ShorTie, sure, but the range is [660-700] with my lib, and [0-1023] with the gpio util
[13:27] <bigx> you see the problem?
[13:29] <ShorTie> ya i guess, there does seem to be a problem, like maybe your probing it to fast or something, not real sure what though
[13:30] <can0pus> thanks to all, have a nice day. Bye
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[14:04] <gordonDrogon> bigx, sorry - been AFK for a while.
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[14:05] <gordonDrogon> bigx, try grounding the input pin on the ADC and make sure it reads zero consistently.
[14:05] <gordonDrogon> bigx, it might well read random if nothing is connected to it.
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[14:26] <beaky> hello
[14:26] <beaky> how do i reduce the power of my pi
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[15:05] <retrosenator> is it possible to drive a speaker from audio out without amplifier?
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[15:09] <geordie> retrosenator: probably a smallish one
[15:09] <retrosenator> so not very loud?
[15:09] <geordie> i would guess not
[15:10] <geordie> try a set of headphones and see what it sounds like
[15:10] <retrosenator> yes, but headphones are optimized to wear near the ear
[15:10] <retrosenator> I was looking for a speaker which is optimized for maximum decibels
[15:10] <geordie> ... with no amp. good luck in your search. ;)
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[15:11] <retrosenator> yes I think maybe an amp is needed
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[15:12] <geordie> retrosenator: for those sorts of applications i find old "ghetto blasters" with a "line in" work very well.
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[15:12] <retrosenator> line in?
[15:13] <retrosenator> oh, but the ghetto blaster has the amplifier?
[15:13] <geordie> yes
[15:13] <geordie> many old portable sound systems had a line in for accesories such as a CD player
[15:13] <retrosenator> maybe but it's too big for me
[15:14] <retrosenator> I want something small also hehe
[15:14] <geordie> the Wolfson Audio card for the RPI has an on-board amp
[15:14] <pronto> i'm geting one of those soon
[15:14] <pronto> apperntly i was selected for a road test
[15:14] <geordie> nice.
[15:14] <retrosenator> I don't really care about quality too much though
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[15:15] <retrosenator> maybe one of the small mini usb powered speakers
[15:15] <pronto> i was shocked, because my 'why pick me' email was most likely full of typos and such xD
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[15:15] <pronto> but it should be here today according to ups
[15:16] <retrosenator> nice
[15:16] <pronto> yerp; out for delivery
[15:16] <retrosenator> where is it then?
[15:17] <geordie> pronto: which organization was that through? the rpi foundation?
[15:17] <retrosenator> oh wait you must still have hours left in the day, it's after 9pm here
[15:17] <pronto> its 9am here
[15:17] <pronto> http://www.element14.com/community/welcome gordonDrogon
[15:17] <geordie> 6 am here
[15:17] <pronto> ...
[15:17] <pronto> geordie: *
[15:17] <gordonDrogon> pronto, hi
[15:18] <pronto> gordonDrogon: i need to learn2tab complete correctly, sorry
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[15:18] <gordonDrogon> :)
[15:18] <pronto> but yeah ; i signed up just to see if i could get it
[15:18] <pronto> and i did
[15:18] <pronto> so like, now i gotta give a write up
[15:18] <retrosenator> you should compare it to the onboard audio
[15:19] <geordie> pronto: that's great. you don't get something if you don't ask for it.
[15:19] <pronto> onboard audio SUCKS
[15:19] <pronto> so
[15:19] <pronto> yeah
[15:19] <pronto> but i'll do tests with headphones and speakers (i have decent of both)
[15:20] <geordie> pronto: be careful when unboxing as there is a tiny nylon screw that is easy to misplace.
[15:20] <pronto> ah; thanks for the heads up
[15:20] <retrosenator> why not just use a usb audio card?
[15:21] <pronto> because i got this wolfson thing for free :D
[15:21] <shiftplusone> usb sound cards can also be problematic
[15:21] <retrosenator> how?
[15:21] <pronto> but yeah DACs from what i understand are a lot better for sound quality (usb sound that is)
[15:21] <retrosenator> I have used them without problems
[15:21] <pksato> https://developer.nvidia.com/jetson-tk1
[15:21] <shiftplusone> http://www.raspberrypi.org/documentation/hardware/raspberrypi/usb.md#issues
[15:21] <pronto> esspcialy if you have nicer audio gear for output (speakers/headphones)
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[15:22] <retrosenator> also, there is a lot of stuff you can do in software to improve the onboard audio.. and also add simple passive filters
[15:22] <retrosenator> http://dbader.org/blog/crackle-free-audio-on-the-raspberry-pi-with-mpd-and-pulseaudio
[15:23] <pronto> ohh nice; that was one thing that was annoying ; much crackle
[15:23] <retrosenator> so i think you must make onboard audio as good as possible with lots of tweaking.. then compare it
[15:23] <retrosenator> because out of the box it has problems
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[15:35] <retrosenator> maybe also compare bluetooth audio
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[15:40] <bigx> gordonDrogon, sure if I put on the ground the channel 0 pin of the mpc3008 I have 0 as output
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[16:05] <gordonDrogon> bigx, ok - now connect it to the 3.3v line and see if you get 1023.
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[17:01] <bigx> gordonDrogon, it oscilates between 1019 and 1023 when i plug 3.3v directly on channel 0 of the mcp3004
[17:02] <bigx> i don't get it at all
[17:03] <bigx> it's now working?!
[17:03] <bigx> I haven't changed anything :s
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[17:12] <gordonDrogon> bigx, so that's fine - 0v in gives you 0, and 3.3v in gives you 1023 - or close to.
[17:12] <gordonDrogon> try connecting a potentiometer to it..
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[17:13] <bigx> i tried with photocells and it's o now
[17:13] <bigx> ok
[17:13] <bigx> but I haven't changed anything, so I don't get it
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[18:16] <Eren97> Can I use a RPI with a wifi dongle, as a kinda router?
[18:16] <Eren97> *hotspot
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[18:17] <Eren97> 2nd question would be, how?
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[18:30] <netzvieh> Eren97: It's possible. But since ethernet goes via usb aswell the speed might be limited
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[18:31] <Eren97> netzvieh: ah thx
[18:31] <netzvieh> Eren97: possible howto: http://www.maketecheasier.com/set-up-raspberry-pi-as-wireless-access-point/
[18:31] <Eren97> a'ight thx
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[18:53] <RedPanda> hello. u guys know a tuto about controlling the RP via web interface? may be GPIOS? or interfacing with python script?
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[19:21] <RedPanda> hello. u guys know a tuto about controlling the RP via web interface? may be GPIOS? or interfacing with python script?
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[19:28] <[SLB]> RedPanda, http://trouch.com/2012/08/21/webiopi-control-your-pis-gpio-with-a-browser/
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[19:31] <RedPanda> thanks [SLB] i just wonder how that interface the java script with the GPIOs.....
[19:33] <RedPanda> oh. i see. the code its there thanks
[19:33] <[SLB]> yup :)
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[19:45] <malinus> are tere any nice 5"-8" screens out there that are not too expensive? Doesn't have to be touch.
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[19:45] <malinus> all I find are the same 2-3 screens sold on ebay
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[20:07] <sandman> Is there a way, with NOOBs, to automate the initial install?
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[20:08] <sandman> Like if I just boot it with a fresh NOOB network-only install, will it install Raspbian or something automatically and reboot
[20:08] <sandman> Or maybe there's a way to VNC in?
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[20:43] <DJDelusional> Anyone have any bright ideas on how to auto-scan and connect to open wifi (even if never connected to before?)
[20:43] <DJDelusional> This is for a headless setup.
[20:45] <pksato> use a network manager like wicd.
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[20:47] <DJDelusional> Without user intervention. E.g. I plug it in at a given place, it scans for open wifi, and connects, then tests for internet.
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[20:50] <SpeedEvil> http://xkcd.com/416/
[20:51] <ryanteck> ^^
[20:51] <ryanteck> I would suggest possibly finding a CLI tool that can have flags passed to it
[20:51] <ryanteck> to scan it first, sort out open networks then try to connect
[20:51] <ryanteck> then ping google
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[20:52] <DJDelusional> SpeedEvil: lol
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[20:52] <DJDelusional> ryanteck: Been trying to find something like that. At this point im tempted to try coding a script for it.
[20:56] <SpeedEvil> DJDelusional: are you in the UK?
[20:56] <DJDelusional> SpeedEvil: no, USA
[20:56] <SpeedEvil> ah
[20:56] <DJDelusional> SpeedEvil: From across the pond. ;-)
[20:56] <DJDelusional> SpeedEvil: why?
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[21:01] <SpeedEvil> DJDelusional: I was going to suggest FON - as they have an interworking agreement with BT broadband - and hence a rather large number of hotspots in the UK
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[21:02] <DJDelusional> But whats the fun in that? ;-)
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[21:28] <DJDelusional> I think i got it actually.
[21:28] <DJDelusional> :D
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[21:33] <SpeedEvil> ?
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[21:42] <DJDelusional> Got it to auto-connect to an open wifi
[21:42] <DJDelusional> I need to test it when I get home. I was remoted in changing things.
[21:43] <DJDelusional> I rebooted after making some changes and it came back up connected, so either I did something wrong, or i did something right... but i expected it to either work or not. Im hopeful it worked
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[21:43] <DJDelusional> now im working on a separate project geting the DHT22 to work properly.
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[21:44] <pronto> http://i.imgur.com/5p1f05P.jpg :D
[21:46] <DJDelusional> oooh, audio.
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[21:49] <pronto> ...man, elements13 website is slow
[21:49] <pronto> +1
[21:50] <turtlehat> how much current can i safely draw from the 3.3v pins on the gpio?
[21:50] <turtlehat> how many currents
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[21:54] <DJDelusional> pronto: I know how to make the DHT22 work. Its already wired and I have a python script calling it. The problem is that the timing is really lame
[21:54] <DJDelusional> sometimes you get an invalid return value
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[21:54] <DJDelusional> so im having to check for it and keep calling the sensor until i get a valid value before i continue
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[21:55] <DJDelusional> x = dhtreader.read(type, pin)
[21:55] <DJDelusional> while x is None
[21:55] <DJDelusional> x = dhtreader.read(type, pin)
[21:55] <pronto> *blinks*
[21:55] <pronto> humidty sensor?
[21:55] <DJDelusional> yes.
[21:56] <pronto> FYI: i know basicaly nothing about GPIO things
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[21:56] <DJDelusional> The DHT22 (aka humidity sensor) is really annoying
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[21:57] <DJDelusional> its easy to use if you build the python module that adafruit includes.
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[21:58] <DJDelusional> https://gist.github.com/anonymous/dd5d16e3dc105ef21ebf
[21:58] <DJDelusional> thats the python codo you use once their module is installed
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[22:00] <DJDelusional> turtlehat: sorry, i don't know how much you can draw. Why do you ask?
[22:00] <DJDelusional> turtlehat: what are you trying to do
[22:01] <DJDelusional> turtlehat: I just read. 16mA per pin with the total current from all pins not exceeding 50mA
[22:01] <DJDelusional> can't confirm if that is true or not though
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[22:05] <gordonDrogon> turtlehat, 15mA max. per pin.
[22:06] <gordonDrogon> DJDelusional, the riming is in the order of small microseconds - i'm surprised Python can even get a single reading. keep checking the checksum.
[22:06] <gordonDrogon> you can actually draw a lot more than that, but the current levels are that guaranteed to register a logic "1" to another 3.3v device.
[22:07] <gordonDrogon> the default is actually 8mA, but 15mA is fine.
[22:07] <DJDelusional> gordonDrogon: Adafruits driver is a combination of compiled C and a python interface library to return values.
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[22:07] <gordonDrogon> DJDelusional, yes, I know about that - it's buggy. I have my own.
[22:07] <gordonDrogon> DJDelusional, but I don't do python.
[22:08] <gordonDrogon> however I do do supper which is what I'm about to do now - laters!
[22:08] <DJDelusional> gordonDrogon: Since C runs faster than Python it is a bit more reliable.
[22:08] <DJDelusional> lol peace
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[22:13] <Laseryoda> Hey. Is the RPI slow at reading from a HFS+ hdd?
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[22:14] <Laseryoda> mounting with hfsprogs
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[22:17] <DJDelusional> Don't use HFS. Use ExFat. Much better support between OSX, PC, and Linux
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[22:18] <Laseryoda> Ok
[22:18] <Laseryoda> If i have, say 200GB of data on a 1.5TB partition
[22:18] <Laseryoda> is there any way of formating that partition to ExFat?
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[22:19] <DJDelusional> depends on how you formated it. Gparted might be able to shrink the partition. You could then create another partition as exfat. You would then have two volumes you could copy the data between. Then delete HFS+ and extend the exFat
[22:20] <DJDelusional> but i would just say backup the data onto another hdd and then reformat.
[22:20] <DJDelusional> its easier
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[22:21] <DJDelusional> also, remember that the pi is USB2.0, so data moves will ALWAYS be slower
[22:21] <Laseryoda> yeah
[22:21] <Laseryoda> where is the bottleneck?
[22:21] <Laseryoda> is it USB2.0?
[22:21] <Laseryoda> or is it the ethernet connection
[22:21] <DJDelusional> usb
[22:21] <Laseryoda> ok
[22:21] <Laseryoda> what's the max transfer speed?
[22:21] <DJDelusional> the ethernet bus is also sharing the USB connection, so you have a double bottleneck
[22:21] <DJDelusional> (doesn't matter if its wifi or LAN)
[22:22] <Laseryoda> i see
[22:22] <DJDelusional> and I don't know right away. I don't have a hdd plugged into my Pi at home to test
[22:22] <DJDelusional> and im at work. :P
[22:22] <Laseryoda> :D
[22:22] <Laseryoda> anyways
[22:22] <Laseryoda> after mounting the hdd, will i need to chown it
[22:22] <DJDelusional> do you have another linux device besides the pi?
[22:22] <DJDelusional> its easier to do it on that
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[22:23] <Laseryoda> yeah a macbook
[22:23] <DJDelusional> yeah, then just copy the data off onto another device using the mac
[22:23] <DJDelusional> then you can format your HDD.
[22:23] <DJDelusional> and move the data back
[22:24] <DJDelusional> much safer
[22:24] <DJDelusional> and OSX can create ExFat partitions so you should be good
[22:24] <Laseryoda> yeah
[22:24] <Laseryoda> i aws thinking that
[22:24] <Laseryoda> just dont wanna stress my SSD in vain :P
[22:24] <Laseryoda> yep
[22:24] <DJDelusional> you have multiple drives?
[22:25] <DJDelusional> just copy direct from one to another
[22:25] <DJDelusional> and you won't stress your SSD. SSD's have wear protection and are much more persistent then SD card memory
[22:25] <Laseryoda> actually
[22:26] <Laseryoda> i have a stationary computer with 1tb drive that i can use
[22:26] <Laseryoda> or wait, it'll be a hassle to read it as it's HFS+?
[22:26] <Laseryoda> it's win 7
[22:26] <DJDelusional> yes
[22:26] <DJDelusional> ugh, yeah don't do that
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[22:26] <Laseryoda> yeah
[22:26] <Laseryoda> i'll just copy the files to my SSD then format then back to the drive?
[22:26] <DJDelusional> yes
[22:26] <DJDelusional> that should work
[22:26] <DJDelusional> it will take a few hours to copy your data though
[22:27] <Laseryoda> i assume i should use exfat4?
[22:27] <DJDelusional> exfat4? wut?
[22:27] <DJDelusional> you mean ext4?
[22:27] <Laseryoda> nvm i was thinking something else
[22:27] <Laseryoda> yeah haha
[22:27] <DJDelusional> lol
[22:27] <Laseryoda> i'm still very rookie
[22:27] <Laseryoda> and OS X has no problem reading/writing to ExFat drives, natively?
[22:27] <DJDelusional> yep. no problems. I use mac's and PC's regularly
[22:28] <Laseryoda> awesommmmmmmme
[22:28] <Laseryoda> thanks alot man
[22:28] <DJDelusional> im actually a media student, but i do tech as a hobby
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[22:28] <DJDelusional> now, if you want the pi to work perfectly with your hdd, i would make it a ext4 partition, but that requires more work and you won't be able to mount the drive easily on other devices without special drivers
[22:29] <Laseryoda> yeah I read about that
[22:29] <DJDelusional> exfat is the only thing I know of that works natively in OSX and Windows, and works well with one addon in linux
[22:29] <Laseryoda> but doesn't ext4 have file size limit of 4GB?
[22:29] <DJDelusional> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ext4
[22:29] <DJDelusional> Max. file size 16 TiB (for 4k block filesystem)
[22:30] <DJDelusional> that is HUGE.
[22:30] <Laseryoda> ok well that's more than I need
[22:30] <Laseryoda> what filesystem am i thinking of?
[22:30] <DJDelusional> fat32
[22:30] <Laseryoda> fat32?
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[22:30] <DJDelusional> fat32 has a limit of 4gb approx
[22:30] <Laseryoda> that shit is old school though isn't it?
[22:30] <DJDelusional> fat32 is the standard format of most USB drives
[22:30] <DJDelusional> and most sd cards
[22:31] <DJDelusional> infact, the N00BS partition is a fat32
[22:31] <DJDelusional> yes, it is old. But its also easily readable by many hardware devices
[22:31] <Laseryoda> i see
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[22:32] <DJDelusional> the pi can read enough of the fat32 filesystem on boot to load the firmware for the ARM processor and the boot drivers, which it doesn't have natively
[22:32] <Laseryoda> oh, another thing.. this might be a bit out of scope for this #irc but.. my Finder application on OSX freezes when accessing the file system on RPI through samba
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[22:33] <Laseryoda> i read somewhere it might be because spotlight tries to index it
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[22:33] <Laseryoda> it might also be because the hdd HFS+ formatted, but I doubt it
[22:33] <DJDelusional> I am not sure on that one. I have seen it happen before, but it was linking to a windows machine that had issues with its install
[22:33] <Laseryoda> another reason might be file read-write access?
[22:33] <DJDelusional> you would just get an error. I think its a samba config issue. not sure though
[22:34] <Laseryoda> ok
[22:34] <DJDelusional> I will test it out at home when i get off in an hour
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[22:34] <DJDelusional> i have a torrent server I am setting up on a pi, i will setup an instance of samba and see how it performs
[22:34] <Laseryoda> since i formatted the HDD and moved all my files on there on OSX the file permissions were a bit off on the HDD when on the RPI
[22:34] <DJDelusional> also, it may depend on your version of OSX
[22:34] <Laseryoda> latest
[22:34] <[Saint]> Torrenting on a pi? Ew.
[22:35] <Laseryoda> [Saint]: what's wrong with that :P?
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[22:35] <[Saint]> Pretty hard to pick a worse device for this use case...
[22:35] <[Saint]> The throughput is *awful*.
[22:35] <[Saint]> I guess it doesn't matter if your conenction sucks, though.
[22:35] <DJDelusional> [Saint]: I got a 300kb/s download speed
[22:36] <DJDelusional> when i tested it out the other day
[22:36] <DJDelusional> went up to 500
[22:36] <[Saint]> right: awful
[22:36] <DJDelusional> [Saint]: Well when you consider that its only purpose is to be a descrete torrent server at an off-site location, i don't mind it.
[22:37] <DJDelusional> Was thinking of deploying it at my friends place. :P
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[22:37] <DJDelusional> considering I setup his wifi for him, it wouldn't be hard to just plug it in somewhere and leave it for years.
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[22:38] <DJDelusional> and then SCP the files home whenever i want to
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[22:38] <[Saint]> A cheap rooted Anroid handset would likely be a better candidate for this in many aspects.
[22:38] <DJDelusional> [Saint]: but not as fun. ;-)
[22:39] <[Saint]> More fun, half the speed - yeah, I know what I want in a torrent server. ;)
[22:39] <DJDelusional> $35 torrent server... i wouldn't complain about it. :P
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[22:39] <Laseryoda> plus necessary cables :P
[22:40] <DJDelusional> ok, 60-70 tops.
[22:40] <DJDelusional> Still cheaper than most android devices
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[22:40] <DJDelusional> and does way more
[22:40] <Laseryoda> yeah that's why I got an rpi as well
[22:40] <DJDelusional> Yeah, i wouldn't use it as a media storage server. Thats just crazy to try.
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[22:40] <Laseryoda> :D :) :| :(
[22:41] <DJDelusional> I am not gonna be editing video off a network connected rpi
[22:41] <DJDelusional> not enough throughput
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[22:41] <[Saint]> I dunno...you could pick up a comparable Android device (remember they have embedded storage and a screen, as well as telephony, GPS, etc. etc. for about $40
[22:41] <DJDelusional> [Saint]: Again, not as fun in my opinion
[22:41] <[Saint]> Torrenting is just a particularly awful use case for the pi as it showcases its downsides really well.
[22:41] <DJDelusional> [Saint]: DON"T TELL ME WHAT TO DO! :P
[22:41] <Laseryoda> is it possible to connect a drive to an android device through a USB->microUSB adapter?
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[22:41] <DJDelusional> lol jk jk
[22:42] <[Saint]> When network and disk are sharing the same bus, and you're stressing both out - fun things happen.
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[22:42] <DJDelusional> Laseryoda: yes, its possible... but remote connecting to an android device can be a real bitch
[22:42] <[Saint]> root; busybox; ssh - done.
[22:43] <DJDelusional> meh
[22:44] <[Saint]> Don't get me wrong, I love my little raspis, I just cringe when I hear someone talk of torrenting on them because its one of the worst possible use cases to showcase performance.
[22:45] <[Saint]> Then people come back and complain about the speed they get because they were unaware of said limitations.
[22:46] <malfunct> yeah, the network bottleneck alone makes that seem like a poor choice, the filesystem can't be all that fast either
[22:46] <DJDelusional> I didn't buy the pi to use as a torrent server. I bought one as a automation controller/frontend for my dads greenhouse and decided to get another one for my own use
[22:46] <[Saint]> Hit the disk heavy enough and its possible to get network to fall over completely.
[22:46] <malfunct> I didn't even think of that [Saint]
[22:47] <[Saint]> where "that" ==?
[22:47] <[Saint]> (sorry, many points were raised)
[22:47] <malfunct> [Saint], the shared bus meaning that pushing one or the other too hard could push the other over, or even using them together too hard could break them both
[22:47] <[Saint]> Ah, yeah.
[22:47] <[Saint]> That's one that often gets found out the hard way.
[22:47] <malfunct> I've only read back about 5 or 6 lines :)
[22:48] <DJDelusional> Its possible, although unlikely.
[22:48] <malfunct> it seems that retropi is one of the best "flashy" use cases I've seen with the rPi
[22:48] <[Saint]> Personally, I think sending one to the outskirts of space was pretty cool.
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[22:49] <[Saint]> Pretty sure that meets the criteria for flashy. ;)
[22:49] <malfunct> eh, yeah, though I suppose what it did out there is more interesting than the fact it went
[22:49] <DJDelusional> I kinda want to do that. Takes a lot of work though.
[22:49] <malfunct> to me anyways
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[22:49] <DJDelusional> and it would be a pain to bring back.
[22:50] <[Saint]> AFAIK, the main amounts f work are: jumping through government hoops in order to launch something into the atmosphere, and creating a light enough payload to get it to the height you want.
[22:51] <DJDelusional> you have to submit something to the government to do that? hmm. didn't know that... although it does make sense.
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[22:51] <[Saint]> and, relatedly, maintaining a connection to the device after launch.
[22:51] <[Saint]> The amunt of projects I have seen lose their payload ~200m off the ground is heartbreaking.
[22:52] <[Saint]> "Yay, we launched, but we have no idea where it went" would be more than slightly disheartening.
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[22:53] <[Saint]> DJDelusional: primarily civil air authorities if I understand correctly.
[22:53] <[Saint]> So you don't accidentally bring down a jet liner or whatever I guess.
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[22:54] <DJDelusional> I suppose so, although I think that'd be hard to do.
[22:54] <DJDelusional> where I am
[22:54] <DJDelusional> sure if you launched it near an airport you are screwed
[22:54] <[Ex0r]> somebody launched a pi into space ?
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[22:55] <DJDelusional> Easy to do if you use a super lower power device to monitor altitude, and then at the proper altitude it boots up pi to run its stuff
[22:55] <DJDelusional> hardest part is finding a way to get it up there
[22:56] <DJDelusional> *cough* weather balloons work great *cough*
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[22:57] <[Saint]> easiest way to get a handle on bearing is by employing an army of basement dwelling HAMs.
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[22:58] <[Saint]> Those guys love tracking payloads.
[22:59] <DJDelusional> Would be pretty cool to do... which reminds me I need to get my HAM radio license at some point....
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[23:00] <gordonDrogon> A Pi has been up in a balloon many times now
[23:00] <gordonDrogon> recent publicised one was for Heston when he wanted a potato sent up...
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[23:03] <DJDelusional> Well guys, I'll be back in 30-60 mins. Gonna run some errands and head home.
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[23:04] <[Saint]> Man...the UK sure likes to make a big deal about anything Blumenthal related doesn't it?
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[23:05] <[Saint]> Sleepy little NZ passed that one up for lack of caring, it seems.
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[23:06] <[Saint]> I note the amount of people/news outlets claiming the potato was sent "into space", though. :-/
[23:07] <[Saint]> Y'all don't know nuttin' bowt the Troposphere, yo!
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[23:08] <ShadowLink> Hey peeps. Back again for round 2 of this question since Europe was asleep. I'm making a Pi-in-a-Gameboy project and *might* need to cut part of the Pi so it fits. Will this break it? http://i.imgur.com/uRiRSGi.jpg
[23:09] <[Saint]> You'll need to trim a fair amount more than that off.
[23:09] <[Saint]> you've got the pi aligned perfectly with the case edge.
[23:09] <[Saint]> Not allowing for the internal dimensions.
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[23:10] <ShadowLink> That's just a mock up. The Pi fits perfectly inside horizontally
[23:10] <ShadowLink> It's just that curved edge that might cause problems
[23:10] <[Saint]> To answe the question directly, no, it shouldn't hurt it.
[23:11] <[Saint]> From memory there's nothing important hiding there.
[23:11] <ShadowLink> Yeah, I saw a picture of the gerber files, and there seemed to be nothing underneath the Ethernet
[23:11] <[Saint]> Oh, you might wipe out FD2
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[23:11] <ShadowLink> But just wanted to verify
[23:11] <ShadowLink> Hmm
[23:12] <ShadowLink> Oh. What's that?
[23:12] <ShadowLink> FD2 looks like it's not in the way
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[23:13] <[Saint]> I just checked it, I thought it may have had a trace but no, seems to be just a marker for aligning the smd printers.
[23:13] <ShadowLink> http://www.raspberrypi.org/wp-content/uploads/2011/11/gerbers2.png
[23:13] <ShadowLink> Yeah, no traces
[23:13] <[Saint]> Just a visual aid for machines.
[23:13] <[Saint]> So, yay, I guess.
[23:14] * [Saint] just learned the word "feduciary"
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[23:14] <[Saint]> Seems they're called "feduciary markers".
[23:15] <[Saint]> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fiduciary_marker#PCB
[23:15] <ShadowLink> Ah
[23:15] <ShadowLink> Interesting
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[23:16] <ShadowLink> I hope I don't have to position the Pi so low though. That's more of a last resort "I need more room" plan.
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[23:17] <DJDelusional> back
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[23:22] <ShadowLink> Oh. Also, since the MicroUSB plug will be right on the edge, I was thinking that I'll cut a hole out for it. For mobile power with a battery, I'm thinking powering it over GPIO - however that bypasses the polyfuse. Would it be feasable to solder a couple of wires to the same pads that the MicroUSB are attached to?
[23:23] <[Saint]> If you can hand solder 0.1mm pitch, then, sure.
[23:24] <[Saint]> read as: "hahahahahahaha, almost certainly no"
[23:24] <ShorTie> i use the outside of the poly fuse and the micro usb shield for ground
[23:24] <ShadowLink> That's what I was thinking, just wiring to the polyfuse
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[23:25] <DJDelusional> thats the easiest solution.
[23:25] <DJDelusional> But don't connect those to GPIO as well.
[23:25] <DJDelusional> :P
[23:25] <ShadowLink> Hehe
[23:25] <DJDelusional> power in GPIO + Polyfuse... i don't think that would work.
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[23:26] <gordonDrogon> there are many people powring the Pi via the GPIO...
[23:26] <gordonDrogon> you just lose polyfuze protection - if that's important to you.
[23:27] <gordonDrogon> personally, I'm happy with powering via GPIO (and USB)
[23:27] <ShadowLink> How much protection does it provide?
[23:27] <[Saint]> Zero.
[23:27] <gordonDrogon> it's an intersting debate (what the polyfuse is protecting)
[23:27] <ShadowLink> From what I can dig around, it's only for sudden surges/spikes, right?
[23:27] <gordonDrogon> If something on the Pi itself shorts- then the polyfuse will/should trip, and stop the smoke...
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[23:28] <gordonDrogon> or it protects your powersupply ... or both ...
[23:28] <pksato> use a polyfuse on gpio power line. (or other protection)
[23:28] <ShadowLink> So like, shorting gpio pins accidentally?
[23:28] <gordonDrogon> ShadowLink, yes.
[23:28] <DJDelusional> But thats false isn't it? I mean its easy to connect 5V to gpio and kill it
[23:29] <ShadowLink> I've only ever accidentally shorted the 3.3v pins a handful of times
[23:29] <ShadowLink> To ground that is
[23:29] <DJDelusional> 3.3 to ground doesn't/shouldn't hurt it
[23:29] <ShadowLink> Just triggered a reboot. No dead Pi yet
[23:29] <gordonDrogon> 3.3v to 0v or 5v to 0v just reboots the Pi.
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[23:30] <ShadowLink> Hmm, ok
[23:30] <gordonDrogon> connecting 5v to a gpio pin - potentially kills that pin and/or the Pu
[23:30] <gordonDrogon> Pi
[23:30] <DJDelusional> So the polyfuse wont protect that
[23:30] <gordonDrogon> however - I've accidentally connected 5v to a gpio pin and "gotten away with it".
[23:30] <DJDelusional> gordonDrogon: lucky
[23:30] <gordonDrogon> DJDelusional, no - not connecting 5v to a gpio pin.
[23:30] <ShadowLink> What about undervolate, in the case of battery power to GPIO?
[23:31] <ShadowLink> undervoltage*
[23:31] <gordonDrogon> however - and I do not recommend this - from personal experience, connecting a gpio pin to 0v or 3.3v, making it an output and settiing it to the opposite.... reboots the pi also.
[23:31] <gordonDrogon> the output drivers are strong enough to crowbar the 3.3v supply.
[23:32] <gordonDrogon> ShadowLink, undervolt is intersting - it works mostly - to a point - the Ethernet contorller needs 5v and 5v also goes into the SoC for the memory controller (I think - would need to check the schematic again)
[23:32] <gordonDrogon> that's undervolt on the 5v supply.
[23:32] <gordonDrogon> of-course any usb device is likely to suffer if you run it lower...
[23:33] <gordonDrogon> and the threshold for the 3.3v regulator is reduced too, so it could affect the 3.3v supply which is more critical.
[23:33] <gordonDrogon> Pi power is one of the most frequently talked about issues!
[23:33] <ShadowLink> So it seems :p
[23:33] <gordonDrogon> Just get a good PSU and be done with it :)
[23:34] <DJDelusional> So best option is to go through a actively chargable USB power pack then as a makeshift "UPS"?
[23:34] <DJDelusional> That should remove the voltage problems i would think
[23:34] <ShadowLink> Yeah, I have a regulated power supply. Specifically this one: http://www.adafruit.com/products/501
[23:35] <DJDelusional> Woot! auto-connect to open wifi works! :D
[23:35] <DJDelusional> sorry, just tried it again from home. Random
[23:36] <DJDelusional> https://gist.github.com/anonymous/49e06191acf2e87e2d7b
[23:36] <ShadowLink> Thanks for all the answers by the way, guys :)
[23:36] <DJDelusional> adding that to the end of your /etc/wpa_supplicant/wpa_supplicant.conf will have it autoconnect to an open wifi
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[23:36] <DJDelusional> without previous config
[23:37] <DJDelusional> been trying to get that to work since yesterday
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[23:38] <[Saint]> That's a hilariously bad idea...
[23:39] <[Saint]> Its bad enough a lot of devices will connect to a same-named AP (looking at you, Android).
[23:39] <[Saint]> Connecting to any arbitrary open AP is...ballsy.
[23:39] <ShadowLink> Just don't do any banking! :p
[23:39] <gordonDrogon> I battery power a Pi from one of the big Anker dual-usb battery packs. works fine.
[23:39] <DJDelusional> Its actually meant as a proof of concept back-door device.
[23:39] <[Saint]> Or type a password, ever.
[23:39] <ShadowLink> Pretty much lol
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[23:40] <DJDelusional> basically, drop it somewhere, it calls home. You have a reverse tunnel backdoor to a network
[23:40] <DJDelusional> Yes its a bad idea. I just wanted to build something like it and disguise it in a hdd case as a proof of concept.
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[23:40] <ShadowLink> I'm looking at some Anker batteries myself, gordonDrogon. At least, they seem to have the most capacity for their size (trying to fit my Pi in a Gameboy)
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[23:42] <DJDelusional> Btw, who was it I was talking to about HFS+?
[23:42] <DJDelusional> I don't have the log. :-(
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[23:42] <[Saint]> Laseryoda
[23:42] <[Saint]> since departed.
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[23:42] <DJDelusional> hmmm. too bad. Oh well, best of luck to him
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[23:44] <DJDelusional> anyone know what the canakit usb wifi chipset is?
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[23:46] <DJDelusional> i belive its a Ralink RT5370 but i don't know... i need to check the log to see what the pi thinks it is
[23:47] <DJDelusional> ShadowLink: how would you fit your pi in a gameboy? isn't it too big?
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[23:47] <ShadowLink> Not at all.
[23:48] <ShadowLink> There's some challenges involved, like cutting out the battery compartment and all to make room
[23:48] <ShadowLink> But people have done it before :p
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[23:49] <DJDelusional> I suppose if you do that you just need to find a large sized polymer and a decent power management controller and you would be set.
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[23:50] <ShadowLink> Oh, I'm taking it farther than that. It'll have a color LCD, buttons wired to GPIO, and be a completely portable gaming handheld
[23:50] <DJDelusional> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lithium_polymer_battery
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[23:50] <DJDelusional> thats what I was meaning. The rest is most def. doable
[23:50] <ShadowLink> Basically, a better version of this: http://www.raspberrypi.org/forums/viewtopic.php?t=15554&p=460060
[23:51] <DJDelusional> Too much work for me. lol
[23:51] <DJDelusional> although it would be cool to run an emulator with that...
[23:51] <ShadowLink> I'm avoiding LiPos used for remote-controlled stuff. They seem too dangeous. Not to downplay all other batteries that is
[23:51] <gordonDrogon> ShadowLink, http://www.amazon.co.uk/exec/obidos/ASIN/B00D5T3QK4/improtripe-21 is what I have.
[23:51] <DJDelusional> LiPos is in your phone though i would think
[23:52] <ShadowLink> Yeah, that one might be too large. There's a 5600mAh one that might do the trick. If not, the lipstick-sized 3000mAh one
[23:52] <DJDelusional> Just need a decent power management chip to take care of not destroying it or over volting your pi
[23:52] <gordonDrogon> Hm. the price is still low - I might even get another.
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[23:53] <gordonDrogon> the advantage of the USB ones is that all that's built-in.
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[23:53] <gordonDrogon> however. zed time here. laters.
[23:53] <ShadowLink> Yeah, that's my reasoning
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[23:53] <DJDelusional> makes sense.
[23:53] <ShadowLink> But also, think about the people that use them: clumsy teenagers needing to charge their cell phones
[23:54] <ShadowLink> Those things I bet are subject to all sorts of abuse, and there's not too many incidents reported
[23:54] <DJDelusional> exactly. They are plug in and play... problem is they are huge.
[23:54] <DJDelusional> but i bet if you took one apart you would find a LiPo
[23:54] <DJDelusional> ;-)
[23:54] <ShadowLink> LiIon, I think
[23:54] <ShorTie> a small like 3or400mah 3.7v lipo has the same 'fire power' as a gallon of gas
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[23:55] <DJDelusional> if they explode, yes. Still people carry them around in their pockets all the time.
[23:55] <ShadowLink> A progress pic, since you've all been so lovely http://i.imgur.com/U3Q4YDI.jpg
[23:56] <DJDelusional> If only Pi would come out with the screen that is designed to attach directly to the SIP
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[23:57] <DJDelusional> ShadowLink: And nice job
[23:57] <DJDelusional> ShadowLink: Wish I had that kind of time
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[23:57] <ShadowLink> Thanks. SIP? That's via GPIO right?
[23:57] <DJDelusional> i think SIP is the term... not sure... the same port the camera uses. there is a second one for a screen to attach to
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[23:58] <DJDelusional> but is unused currently
[23:58] <ShadowLink> Oh
[23:58] <ShadowLink> That's input though, isn't it?
[23:58] <ShadowLink> Wait, you meant the other one
[23:58] <DJDelusional> yeah
[23:58] <DJDelusional> but its also a hybrid of IO
[23:58] <ShadowLink> Maybe in the near future
[23:58] <ShadowLink> I was going to suggest this one if you mean SPI: http://www.adafruit.com/products/1601
[23:59] <DJDelusional> yeah, im considering grabbing one.
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[23:59] <DJDelusional> Don't have the time to mess with it right now.
[23:59] <ShadowLink> I think the hardest part about my project is figuring out how I'm going to close the thing. Haha

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