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IRC Log for 2014-05-26

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[0:13] <clever> shiftplusone: dave's back in the lab
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[0:14] * [Saint] tags clever as "Dave Stalker Guy"
[0:14] <clever> i just happened to walk in the room and see segan walking arround
[0:14] <clever> but they just left
[0:14] <shiftplusone> a bit early
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[0:15] <clever> the website will allow some rewind
[0:15] <clever> 6 events marked
[0:15] <[Saint]> I'm genuinely surprised that no one has tried sending in something for the teardown blog that they know he'll disregard and not look at, with added extras.
[0:15] <clever> yeah, 8am is a bit early
[0:15] <[Saint]> Something to covertly phone home, for instance.
[0:15] <shiftplusone> Why?
[0:16] <[Saint]> He's pretty much begging for it to happen.
[0:16] <[Saint]> And, people are asshats.
[0:16] <clever> in theory, i could put a pi and a battery in a box, and set it up to automatically crack his wifi, and the dropcam may even aid in that
[0:16] <clever> but it depends on if he has wep or wpa, and just shipping the battery would be an issue
[0:16] <shiftplusone> people use WEP?
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[0:17] <clever> i still use wep, some of my devices didnt have wpa support, and ive never bothered to change it
[0:17] <[Saint]> If they don't, sadly, people use WPS...so, there's that.
[0:17] <[Saint]> You still use WEP? egads.
[0:17] <clever> the neighbors arent smart enough to know how to crack it
[0:18] <[Saint]> I haven't seen a WEP hotspot in years.
[0:18] <shiftplusone> Don't think it's a matter of intelligence.
[0:18] <[Saint]> Plenty of WPA with WPS enabled, though.
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[0:18] <clever> shiftplusone: its mainly a matter of them not even knowing wep can be cracked or that wep is worse then wpa
[0:18] <[Saint]> Mostly due to braindead defaults from telco router/hotspot combos I imagine.
[0:18] <clever> i'm sure half of them cant even change their own wpa password
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[0:19] <clever> the router just came with a random wpa password
[0:19] <shiftplusone> I don't know about WPS, but isn't it a temporary thing used for the initial setup?
[0:19] <clever> when WPS works, the router will just tell you the main password
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[0:20] <[Saint]> You only need half the WPS combo, though, so its fairly trivial to attack.
[0:20] <[Saint]> Don't use it? Disable it.
[0:21] <clever> every router with WPS support that ive tried to use, has been a major step backwards
[0:22] <clever> the first one was a normal N band capable router, it null-routed all ipv6 traffic and killed the tunnel
[0:22] <[Saint]> Its nasty, so, that's nothing but a good thing. :)
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[0:22] <clever> the next one, blocks all lan<->wifi traffic, and my dns server is on the lan
[0:22] <[Saint]> WEP though...ew.
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[0:22] <clever> so no dns for anybody on wifi
[0:23] <[Saint]> One of my coworkers has some unreasonably hatred towards DHCP and believes everything on a network needs a public facing address.
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[0:23] <[Saint]> He's a little...well...insane, frankly.
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[0:24] <clever> my isp only gives me a single public v4 addr, so i dont really have a choice in the v4 domain
[0:24] <clever> but for v6, it just automatically does that
[0:24] <[Saint]> glargh.
[0:24] <clever> main issue with v6, you rely on NAT's inability to automaticaly forward traffic for security
[0:25] <clever> so once you have public addresses on everything, and all ports are 'forwarded' to every machine, firewalls suddenly become much more important
[0:25] <clever> NAT's are basicaly a whitelist, 100% of incoming traffic is blocked by default, it has no clue which host to send it to
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[0:28] <[Saint]> http://i.imgur.com/bVJhPdM.jpg Every time I see this a tiny little bit of me dies inside, heh.
[0:30] <shiftplusone> I don't get it
[0:30] <[Saint]> Its not a part of our official curriculum yet, but teachers are still trying to cram it down our children's throats. My first experience with this craziness was when my neice showed me some of her homework.
[0:30] <[Saint]> And, I don't get it either.
[0:30] <clever> i sometimes to something similar in my head, just came up with it ages ago
[0:30] <[Saint]> Well...I follow it, but, it seems to be way too much work.
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[0:31] <clever> round the numbers up or down to a simpler base, then un-round them afterwards
[0:31] <clever> while keeping track of the impacts it has
[0:31] <[Saint]> I showed my neice the way *I* (and likely shiftplusone and pretty much every other Australasian around the age of 30) do it, and she all of a sudden "got" math.
[0:31] <clever> ah wait, i see how it works, that looks like a very different method
[0:31] <[Saint]> Before then, it had reduced her to tears on multiple occasions.
[0:32] <clever> heh
[0:32] <SuperKoos> Gotta make you wonder what they're training them for if they don't need basic math
[0:32] <clever> i just broke it down into 32 - 2 - 10 without even thinking about the process
[0:32] <[Saint]> I'm liking my niece being an almost fully functioning human now.
[0:33] <clever> [Saint]: have you been following the hello internet podcast?
[0:33] <[Saint]> I have not.
[0:33] <clever> they talk about what schools should be, vs what they actually are
[0:33] <clever> and one of the guys in the podcast mentions, when he was in school he learned that 10% of his grade was based on homework
[0:34] <clever> and he decided, ignore all the homework, entirely, and spend that time studying more for the tests
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[0:34] <clever> and doing other stuff
[0:34] <[Saint]> In NZ our education system is actually *really* great, trying to introduce this shennanigans into the curriculum, however, makes me cringe.
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[0:34] <shiftplusone> so... the 'new' way is to take the lower number and add stuff to keep it 'round' until you get to the other number and then add up what you've added? O_o
[0:34] <[Saint]> Not to say that there's no room for progress.
[0:34] <[Saint]> I'm all for it.
[0:34] <[Saint]> I don't see this as progress, though. ;)
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[0:35] <[Saint]> shiftplusone: that's pretty much it, yeah.
[0:35] <clever> reducing it to a series of much simpler additions
[0:35] <[Saint]> Add a bunch of unnecessary steps.
[0:35] <clever> but 32 - 2 - 10 still seems much simpler to me
[0:35] <shiftplusone> so instead of two steps and 3 lines..... argh, okay.
[0:35] <[Saint]> instead of doing the good old "borrow from the next column" method.
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[0:36] <shiftplusone> what's the argument for the new way?
[0:36] <[Saint]> Borrowing from the next column is apparently non-obvious.
[0:36] * sutty is now known as sutty\away
[0:37] <shiftplusone> Ad they're actually doing this in schools?
[0:37] <[Saint]> It doesn't help in that example, for anyone supporting the "old" way and trying to convince those that use the "new" way, that the old way doesn't show any working.
[0:37] <[Saint]> If it actually showed the working I expect many people would see the merits of it.
[0:37] <[Saint]> shiftplusone: yep.
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[0:37] <shiftplusone> cool =S
[0:37] <[Saint]> Au is adopting it slowly, as well as NZ.
[0:38] <SuperKoos> "Our schools are, in a sense, factories, in which the raw products (children) are to be shaped and fashioned into products to meet the various demands of life. The specifications for manufacturing come from the demands of twentieth-century civilization, and it is the business of the school to build its pupils according to the specifications laid down." --Ellwood P. Cubberley (1868-1941) American educator, author, Dean of the Stanford Univ
[0:38] <[Saint]> The American and Australasian school systems aren't really comparable at all.
[0:38] <[Saint]> I'm sure shiftplusone could agree on that.
[0:39] <shiftplusone> Don't know much about the American school system.
[0:39] <[Saint]> They are both places children go - but that's about where the similarities end.
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[0:41] <shiftplusone> And I only started school in Australia when I was about 11, so I've actually learned basic algebra and everything before it in Ukraine rather than here.
[0:41] <[Saint]> The main problem I have encountered with the education system here is that when applying for positions internationally, no one has any idea what any of your qualifications mean.
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[0:41] <[Saint]> I can't tell how many times I have been asked what my GPA was.
[0:42] <[Saint]> "I dunno, we don't have those" apparently isn't an acceptable answer.
[0:42] <shiftplusone> We do at uni O_o
[0:42] <[Saint]> Oh, wow, really? Heh.
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[0:42] <shiftplusone> aye
[0:42] <[Saint]> They didn't when I was at uni.
[0:42] <clever> i never finished grade 11 here
[0:42] * plugwash thought GPA was an american concept, I've certainly never heard of such a think in the UK
[0:43] <[Saint]> Mind you, we still had national certificate when I was at uni.
[0:43] <[Saint]> Now its all NCEA standards.
[0:43] <shiftplusone> yup, none of that means anything to me.
[0:43] <[Saint]> :)
[0:43] <tig|> oh vienna!
[0:43] <ShorTie> standards ain't worth a thing for education
[0:44] <ShorTie> need to teach the kid, not a freakin standard\
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[0:45] <ShorTie> no 2 poeple learn the same way
[0:45] <shiftplusone> The only thing that annoys me about the education system here is that it's fingerpainting up until year 10, then cram everything in for the year 11 and 12 exams to determine which uni you get into.
[0:46] <shiftplusone> Then at uni, it's all about memorizing algorithms to get an answer.
[0:46] <shiftplusone> and copying assignments from the one group that did it
[0:46] <shiftplusone> if you want good grades anyway
[0:46] <shiftplusone> if you actually want to learn, you need to forget about good grades.
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[0:52] <blonkel> hey is there a release date for the compute module?
[0:52] <shiftplusone> blonkel, don't forget there will be a minimum order initially
[0:53] <blonkel> batch of 100 pieces yeah i know
[0:53] <[Saint]> Its pretty much non-interesting unless you're planning on mass fabricating your own boards.
[0:53] <shiftplusone> ah, well there has been no new information since the announcement. That i'm aware of anyway.
[0:53] <[Saint]> If not, get a pi.
[0:54] <[Saint]> (well, actually, at this late stage of the game the only reason I'd suggest a pi is for the software and community)
[0:54] <shiftplusone> "some time in june"
[0:54] <mgottschlag1> blonkel: there are similar modules with other CPUs which are available in smaller quantities
[0:54] <[Saint]> Hardware wise...well, yeah.
[0:54] <blonkel> im building my own systems so its very interesting for me, so any information about this would be very welcome ;)
[0:54] <shiftplusone> which, given past release dates, could mean next yer.
[0:54] <shiftplusone> *year
[0:55] <blonkel> [Saint] yeah there are but most of them are quiete expensive
[0:55] <[Saint]> blonkel: unless you're planning on mass distribution, and fabricating your own hardware, I wouldn;t be considering this as an option.
[0:56] <mgottschlag1> blonkel: https://www.olimex.com/Products/SOM/A20/A20-SOM/
[0:56] <[Saint]> And, some of the competitors are quite reasonably priced.
[0:56] <mgottschlag1> not the same form factor though
[0:56] <[Saint]> STE Snowball, for instance.
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[0:56] <[Saint]> ($50 USD)
[0:56] <shiftplusone> you and your snowball
[0:56] * shiftplusone rolls eyes
[0:56] <[Saint]> ;)
[0:56] <mgottschlag1> https://www.olimex.com/Products/SOM/AM3352/AM3352-SOM/ comparable size
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[0:57] <[Saint]> With the compute module and IO board, unless you're using it as a test bed to fabricate your own hardware, you're basically spending more money on a larger footprint pi.
[0:58] <[Saint]> ...and committing yourself to buying 100 of them. ;)
[0:58] <shiftplusone> <blonkel> im building my own systems so its very interesting for me
[0:58] <plugwash> IIRC there are a few things the compute module IO board has that the Pi doesn't
[0:58] <shiftplusone> I think he knows what he's doing
[0:58] <plugwash> like dual camera support
[0:59] * plugwash strongly suspects it will be possible to get them in smaller quantities, even if the main distributors don't sell them that way I expect some resellers will
[0:59] * [Saint] points out that building ones own systems doesn't necessarily mean fabricating IO boards from scratch
[0:59] <[Saint]> I build my own PCs and laptops, and I've etched a board...twice.
[1:01] <shiftplusone> I don't think somebody unaware of that would be looking to spend 3000 on a batch of these.
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[1:52] <clever> shiftplusone: looks like dave is recording another video
[1:52] <clever> but he left the mic on mute
[1:53] <shiftplusone> looks like a crazy man talking to himself to me
[1:53] <clever> there is a tripod infront of him
[1:53] <shiftplusone> I know
[1:54] <clever> but the other captures he put up on altzone are much more 'crazy man talking to himself'
[1:54] <clever> its just an hour long of him standing there talking to nothing
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[1:56] <[Saint]> http://pastebin.com/cRjYur0d
[1:57] <[Saint]> Errr, whoops.
[1:57] <shiftplusone> sure does look like some rockbox paste
[1:58] <[Saint]> I imagine that may cause some eye bleeding for those unfamiliar with the language.
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[1:58] <[Saint]> WHich is likely 99%+ of the populous.
[1:58] <shiftplusone> is that a theme or something?
[1:59] <[Saint]> Yeah. I'm slowly but steadily making a practical absolute point touch enabled theme.
[2:00] <halabund> Can anyone recommend a case that makes it easy to include a camera and is easy to order from the US?
[2:01] <halabund> maybe something like this: http://www.phenoptix.com/products/openbox-raspberry-pi-model-b-with-camera-mount
[2:02] <[Saint]> You can buy a camera mount and stick it to any arbitrary casing.
[2:02] <[Saint]> Pimoroni sells them.
[2:03] <[Saint]> Also available on eBay
[2:03] <[Saint]> http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/NEW-Pimoroni-Raspberry-Pi-Camera-Mount-Stand-Black-Mount-Stand-/161083056843?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item25814c62cb
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[2:04] <halabund> [Saint]: that’s both more expensive and doesn’t protect the ribbon though ...
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[2:05] <[Saint]> http://www.ebay.com/itm/Mr-Raspberrys-Fantastic-Case-Box-Raspberry-Pi-Camera-Mount-/281187308787?pt=UK_Computing_DesktopComponents_RL&hash=item417811d4f3
[2:07] <halabund> OK, it’s a good idea to search ebay
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[2:24] <clever> shiftplusone: :O!, he has shoes on!!
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[2:27] <shiftplusone> is.... is that blasphemy?
[2:28] <clever> he is pretty much always bare foot in the lab
[2:29] <[Saint]> Don't tell OSH
[2:29] <[Saint]> OSHA?
[2:29] <clever> http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/NoOSHACompliance
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[2:31] <[Saint]> I very rarely ever see him using a grounding mat or ground tether either.
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[2:38] <clever> [Saint]: the blue stuff on the table is a grounding mat
[2:39] <clever> pretty much every inch of the table surface is covered in it
[2:39] <[Saint]> We have isolated tables, grounding floors, and tracked tethers in our lab.
[2:40] <[Saint]> I'll admit to not noticing the grounding mats on the table surfaces though.
[2:40] <clever> what kind of volume do you work with?
[2:40] <clever> dave has done 2 or 3 videos about it
[2:40] <[Saint]> "volume"?
[2:40] <[Saint]> We're just a well funded private hackerspace.
[2:41] <clever> how many parts are going thru your lab?
[2:41] <clever> ah
[2:41] <clever> ive also heard that loose parts are more open to static damage
[2:41] <clever> once its on a board, its much harder to damage it
[2:41] <clever> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NNXo4AbaKFc
[2:42] <[Saint]> Up until about 3 years ago, I was reasonably confident SSDF (static shock discharge failure) was a myth.
[2:42] <clever> i had an old 300 in 1 game thing, it would reboot if you get a stack shock within 3 feet of it
[2:42] <[Saint]> Until I *finally* managed to make a component fail after *repeated* zaps with a piezoelectric ignitor.
[2:42] <clever> but was otherwise undamaged
[2:43] <clever> ive never had anything fail from static shocks, and ive sometimes zapped the case/keyboard on my laptop
[2:43] <shiftplusone> hm, I once lived in a building where touching anything metal would give a spark =/
[2:44] <plugwash> zapping the case isn't so bad
[2:44] <shiftplusone> constantly getting zapped was quite annoying
[2:44] <clever> 30 seconds into the above video, he shows a 10 meter long roll of anti-static matt
[2:44] <[Saint]> I was putting the charge from a piezoelectric ignitor across the pins of some ancient portalplayer SoC.
[2:44] <[Saint]> I swear those things are indestructible.
[2:44] <clever> ive once powered an AVR thru its gpio pins by mistake
[2:44] <[Saint]> :)
[2:45] <clever> just the pullup resistor on a serial adapter, feeding into the serial pins
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[2:45] <[Saint]> When you're learning, they make it seem like most componentry will burst into flames and/or kill someone if you look at it wrong.
[2:46] <[Saint]> Whereas its basically just slightly more complicated LEGO.
[2:46] <clever> i dont see much point in the ardruino stuff, bare AVR's work just fine in a breadboard
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[2:47] <[Saint]> I remember having the fear of God hammered into me regarding 240V mains power when I was apprenticing.
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[2:47] <clever> ive got a project i put together years ago, still sitting on a breadboard downstairs, running just fine
[2:47] <clever> the only time its failed, is when a cord got yanked off the 12v battery bank powering it
[2:47] <[Saint]> These days, 240V is just a little tickle up.
[2:47] <[Saint]> Albeit a usually unwelcome one.
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[2:48] <clever> several of my old CRT monitors and cable boxes would give a tingle if i grab the 'shield' of the cable
[2:48] <[Saint]> 3-phase still gets my respect, though.
[2:48] <clever> and one day, i was running a PC from a socket i rarely use
[2:48] <clever> then i ran an audio line to the other room
[2:48] <clever> and i got a tingle when i grabbed the 2 audio lines to hook em up
[2:48] <clever> turns out, the GND of that socket, is electrically hot
[2:49] <[Saint]> o_o
[2:49] <clever> so the pc i was working on was floating as 120vac
[2:49] <clever> but i was in the middle of a room, on a wood floor
[2:49] <clever> so i didnt complete the circuit until i tried running audio lines out of the room
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[2:51] <clever> i was also working with solid state relays recently
[2:51] <clever> and i think i grabbed the 'hot' end of the device with the relay off
[2:51] <clever> seems the triac still leaks enough current that you can feel it
[2:51] <[Saint]> For some reason, a lot of old places around here have 120-240V single phase for pretty much everything, yet the water heater and range will be on 240V 3-phase.
[2:51] <[Saint]> No idea why, but it begs a certain amount of respect when working around older homes.
[2:52] <clever> over in north america, each phase is 120vac, but high power things like the drier and stove/oven use both phases for 240vac
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[2:54] <plugwash> Over here in the UK we use a system with 240V phase-neutral and 415V phase-phase
[2:54] <clever> not 480?
[2:54] <plugwash> it's a three phase system
[2:55] <clever> ah
[2:55] <clever> more phases then i'm used to, complicates the math
[2:55] <plugwash> (240/480 split phase is seen occasionally in rural areas but is not especially common)
[2:55] <[Saint]> To add to that fun, when I redid the wiring here, it was all in zinc conduit that had corroded to Hell, and EVERY. SINGLE. WIRE. was black.
[2:55] <[Saint]> Every. Single. One.
[2:56] <[Saint]> Tracing what was what was a laborious task.
[2:56] <plugwash> (we generally only have 240V single phase in houses though, unless they are REALLY big ones)
[2:56] <clever> that socket i mentioned, where the GND was at 120vac relative to real gnd
[2:56] <clever> the electrical box is still hot, even with all the wires inside disconnected
[2:57] <[Saint]> Heh.
[2:57] <[Saint]> Nice.
[2:57] <clever> yeah
[2:57] <clever> something is shorting to the outside of the box
[2:57] <plugwash> clever, sounds like a missing earthed connection combined with a failed armoured cable, conduit or similar
[2:57] <plugwash> or could be the box digging into a cable
[2:57] <[Saint]> The one thing I miss about my old apartment is the magical mystery outlet of free electricity.
[2:57] <clever> i believe its also an armoured cable coming in
[2:58] <clever> all we have done is cover up the ends of the wire and close it back up, so the socket doesnt work
[2:58] <[Saint]> I used to think it came from the neighbors apartment, but ti continued to work even after I played around and disconnected power to the entire property.
[2:58] <clever> but the screw in the center is still live
[2:58] <[Saint]> Someone got *very* clever.
[2:58] <[Saint]> I think it was routed off the street lights.
[2:58] <clever> nice
[2:58] <[Saint]> But whatever it came off, the house was built around it.
[2:59] <[Saint]> So, *someone* knew about it.
[2:59] <azizLIGHTS> hi, i need some idea about sending pause/play/seek commands to omxplayer. what do you people use to do it?
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[2:59] * plugwash remembers a story about someone finding a low voltage DC supply in a basement even when the houses power was completely off
[2:59] <[Saint]> Needless to say, once I discovered this, our power bill slumped off dramatically.
[2:59] <clever> [Saint]: i recently had a look inside my main service panel, one of the neutral wires was too short to reach the main bank
[2:59] <plugwash> eventually they traced said DC supply to a nearby army base
[2:59] <clever> [Saint]: so the previous owner extended it, there is a marret on the wire half way down
[3:00] <plugwash> best guess was it was put in for some wartime communication equipment during WW2
[3:01] <[Saint]> My electricity company kept on sending out technicians to make sure that the meter was still intact and not been tampered with.
[3:01] <clever> [Saint]: i dont its legal to extend wires like what i saw in that panel
[3:01] <clever> lol
[3:01] <[Saint]> Which was fruitless, since they can ascertain all that information without having to send out a technician at all.
[3:01] <clever> [Saint]: sounds like you would have been overloading that one socket?
[3:02] <[Saint]> I didn't run a lot of stuff off it, "only" my home theater system and two servers.
[3:02] <clever> ah
[3:02] <clever> ive ran more then that off a single outlet
[3:02] <[Saint]> Enough to make a huge dent in my power bill, though.
[3:02] <clever> i have ~5 desktops on a single socket downstairs
[3:02] <[Saint]> One that made them very suspicious.
[3:03] <clever> ive been wanting to do whole house power monitoring
[3:03] <clever> but i dont see any simple way to hook it up
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[3:03] <[Saint]> Unless you re-wire, there really isn't.
[3:04] <clever> i happen to have one of these in the garage, http://www.powerstandards.com/PQube.php
[3:04] <clever> but i would have to mess with the cables before the master breaker to hook it up
[3:04] <clever> i cant shut those off
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[3:05] <[Saint]> No pole fuses?
[3:05] <azizLIGHTS> any ideas about an easier way to send pause/play/seek commands to omxplayer. right now i have a ssh terminal open with the command running "omxplayer -o hdmi -r $file" and then using the keyboard on the connecting computer to send space(pause/play) and arrow keys(seek/skip). how do people here do this process, if at all?
[3:05] <clever> [Saint]: the usual method, is to have them just yank off the entire meter
[3:05] <[Saint]> I have a pole fuse grabber.
[3:05] <clever> without the meter, those lines are dead and safe to handle
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[3:06] <clever> azizLIGHTS: ive heard that it has a dbus interface
[3:06] <[Saint]> Ah. Here, we have fuses on the power poles or distribution cabinets that can take the entire property off the grid.
[3:06] <[Saint]> Joe Average isn't supposed to manipulate these of course.
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[3:06] <[Saint]> But I have both a fuse pole and a set of distribution cabinet keys.
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[3:06] <clever> yeah, i think those fuses cover 4 or 5 buildings here
[3:07] <clever> let me grab a related imag
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[3:07] <[Saint]> Meh. They'll just blame the electricity company, just make sure you're done before they send out a technician. ;)
[3:07] <clever> http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/e/ea/EEUU(GE)BreakerpanelInnards.jpg
[3:07] <clever> [Saint]: see the 2 fat wires right at the top?
[3:07] <SirLagz> spleh
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[3:08] <[Saint]> Ye Gods.
[3:09] <[Saint]> There is absolutely zero tamper protection there at all.
[3:09] <clever> [Saint]: in my panel, the top section has its own cover, which your not supposed to open
[3:09] <[Saint]> Our mainboards have a tamper evident seal on *every* connection.
[3:09] <clever> so once you flip the master breaker off, the panel is safe to poke arround in
[3:10] <shiftplusone> O_o
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[3:10] <shiftplusone> my pi's supply seems to be hissing
[3:10] <[Saint]> Try pettign it.
[3:10] <clever> shiftplusone: one of my cellphone charges does that under load, but its very hard to hear normally
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[3:10] <[Saint]> Give it some treats.
[3:11] <[Saint]> That's what I do when my kitties are grumpy and hiss at me.
[3:11] <[Saint]> Its only natural that the solution should carry over.
[3:11] <[Saint]> That's how these thigns work, right?
[3:11] <shiftplusone> you sure it's not just their switching frequency being audible for some reason?
[3:11] <[Saint]> The kitties?
[3:12] <shiftplusone> yes
[3:12] <clever> [Saint]: the only kind of tamper detection ive ever seen, is something that goes over the screws for the cover
[3:12] <clever> so you cant remove the cover without leaving traces
[3:12] <clever> but once thats gone, there is nothing on the actual connections
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[3:14] <shiftplusone> Hm, the voltage from it is nice and clean.... I guess it's fine
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[3:27] <clever> shiftplusone: just remembered something, depending on what fails, the voltage may look fine open-circuit, but look horid under load
[3:27] <clever> you need to check the noise while under a decent load
[3:27] <shiftplusone> aye, it's powering a pi
[3:28] <clever> that can be a relatively low load
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[3:28] <clever> but as long as its stable at the load you plan to use it at, who cares
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[3:28] <shiftplusone> I didn't want things blowing up 'tis all
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[3:38] <clever> shiftplusone: heh, i can see dave talking with his hands, behind the camera
[3:38] <clever> where it cant possible be seen
[3:39] <clever> https://twitter.com/eevblog/status/470688912206077952
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[3:39] <clever> shiftplusone: ah, this explains why we saw him up at 7am earlier
[3:39] <shiftplusone> looks like he's showing stuff inside that programmable filter
[3:40] <clever> yeah
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[3:40] <shiftplusone> repair video part 2 then
[3:40] <clever> yep, something is wrong with the filter on/off and the overload thing
[3:41] <shiftplusone> and the lowpass side (or was it highpass?)
[3:42] * shiftplusone closes the video before he catches clever's stalking habits.
[3:43] <clever> the left side, i think that was high pass
[3:43] <clever> it works, but once the overload condition happens, it cant be reset without a power cycle
[3:43] <clever> V:PortSettingsChanged: 400x224@10.00 interlace:0 deinterlace:0 par:1.00 layer:0
[3:44] <clever> one issue ive yet to fix, the resolution and bitrate are horrid
[3:44] <clever> its averaging 6.2 kbyte/sec
[3:44] <clever> 63030.688 kB / 10008.40 sec
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[3:50] <clever> bbl
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[4:26] <shiftplusone> Hmm.... can't get serial to work, though connecting tx and rx together works
[4:27] <plugwash> shiftplusone, what are you connecting to?
[4:27] <shiftplusone> "CP2102 USB to UART Bridge Controller"
[4:27] <shiftplusone> 'screen /dev/ttyUSB0 115200' on the PC side
[4:27] <plugwash> hmm
[4:27] <shiftplusone> gnd to gnd, rx to tx and tx to rx
[4:28] <plugwash> made sure flow control is off?
[4:28] <shiftplusone> Nope and was about to ask about that
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[4:28] <plugwash> tried looping back on both sides (Pi and USB to serial)?
[4:28] <shiftplusone> I guess I need -fn for screen
[4:29] <plugwash> debugging this sort of thing is a PITA without a DSO though
[4:29] <shiftplusone> -fn didn't help
[4:29] <shiftplusone> I haven't tried looping back on the pi side
[4:30] <shiftplusone> sec, will get an ethernet connection to it
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[4:39] <shiftplusone> yup, loopback works on both ends
[4:42] <shiftplusone> aha
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[4:43] <shiftplusone> connected tx to tx and rx to rx and it works.... looks like they took it on themselves to label the pins wrong to avoid confusion.
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[4:43] <shiftplusone> haven't seen that before
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[4:46] <plugwash> <plugwash> Serial port labelling can be confusing, Conventionally the pins were labelled from the perspective of the DCE
[4:46] <plugwash> <plugwash> *sorry the perspective of the DTE
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[4:46] <plugwash> <plugwash> so on a DCE the pin labeled TXD was the input and the pin labelled RXD was the output
[4:48] <shiftplusone> Hm, thanks
[4:48] <shiftplusone> I guess that will save me some headache in the future.
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[4:50] * plugwash muses whether he should buy himself a low end DSO
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[4:52] <shiftplusone> Which one are you considering?
[4:53] <plugwash> dunno I haven't looked recently at what is available
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[4:54] <plugwash> I've used some really nice scopes at uni but I don't fancy spending thousands of pounds on a scope for personal use
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[4:59] * [Saint] facepalms
[5:00] <shiftplusone> thousands is a bit excessive. I got my DS1052E about 5 years ago for about $500 (250ish pounds) and they're even cheaper than that now. Though I suppose it's quite dated by modern standards now.
[5:00] <[Saint]> "[Saint] is bugged in ur hotplug governor, CPU1 is offline 80 percents of my time"
[5:00] <[Saint]> So - hotplugging works as intended then? Thanks for that.
[5:01] <plugwash> I think the scopes I used were in the "thousands" range, I once saw one which i'm pretty sure was in the "tens of thousands" range but I don't think I ever actually used it
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[5:04] <plugwash> (scopes that can work at microwave frequencies are NOT cheap)
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[5:05] <[Saint]> Shipping/transportation and recalibration is also not cheap for such high end units.
[5:05] <[Saint]> Look at them sideways? Recalibration.
[5:05] <[Saint]> IS it monday? Recalibration.
[5:06] <[Saint]> Accidentally put an extra sugar in your coffee? Whoops - recalibration.
[5:07] <plugwash> At uni I don't think many people bothered with calibration
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[5:08] <plugwash> Well other than VNAs which you tend to cal yourself before each use, partly to remove the affects of the cables
[5:09] <shiftplusone> serial working, serial bootloader acquired, fasm fasming.... time to play around with bare metal =D
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[5:40] <clever> dang, i missed plugwash, wanted to send him https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dx596o8t_TY
[5:41] <shiftplusone> better not be more filth D=
[5:41] <[Saint]> It is.
[5:41] <clever> shiftplusone: its a scope that works in the ghz range, and costs 40 grand
[5:41] <[Saint]> Dirty signal processing smut.
[5:41] <clever> [Saint]: :D
[5:41] <shiftplusone> heh
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[5:42] <[Saint]> Ooop. Its Hammer...errrr, Reboot Time.
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[5:44] <Technicus> Hello, anyone here done anything with the Intel Galileo board?
[5:44] * clever wonders off to bed
[5:45] <shiftplusone> clever, see you back here in 5 minutes then.
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[5:53] <clever> shiftplusone: yep, lol
[5:53] <shiftplusone> heh
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[6:27] * Lacriatch figured out why he was having issues with SPI
[6:27] <Lacriatch> Turns out the GPS board I was using didn't do SPI
[6:27] <Lacriatch> it was doing UART
[6:27] <Lacriatch> I thought 'serial port' meant SPI
[6:27] <Lacriatch> So there you go. Mystery solved.
[6:27] <shiftplusone> heh
[6:28] <Lacriatch> P.S. being at a uni with electrical engineering friends is incredibly helpful
[6:28] <Lacriatch> Turned out one of my friends was using the same board as I was. He pointed out pretty quick that it was UART.
[6:29] <shiftplusone> did you post a datasheet here when you asked for help?
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[6:32] <Lacriatch> I think I did
[6:32] <Lacriatch> Problem was I was using a breakout board type thing
[6:33] <Lacriatch> I wouldn't have thought to mention the particular pins I was using
[6:33] <shiftplusone> product page and the fact you were trying to use SPI should've made the problem obvious. But ah well..... all fixed now.
[6:33] <Lacriatch> The board has both SPI and UART, the pins were the UART pins ('Serial' on the datasheet)
[6:33] <Lacriatch> Indeed, s'all good
[6:34] <Lacriatch> I have a newfound respect for random eBay electronics sellers
[6:34] <shiftplusone> O_o
[6:34] <shiftplusone> I don't know about 'respect', but they are useful.
[6:35] <Lacriatch> Well I didn't really expect decent quality from them
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[6:35] <Lacriatch> But the boards are good
[6:35] <Lacriatch> Got a 10DOF (accelero/magneto/gyro)meter board as well
[6:35] <Lacriatch> That worked great
[6:35] <shiftplusone> They usually copy the designs off existing boards and use the same parts, so quality is usually not an issue.
[6:35] <Lacriatch> I2C is nice <3
[6:36] <shiftplusone> until it is
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[7:15] <shiftplusone> Any wizards around?
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[7:16] <shiftplusone> In "str r1,[r0,#40]" using fasmarm, is there a way to express the 40 in hex?
[7:18] <shiftplusone> looks like adding 'h' to it did the trick
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[7:30] <shadynastys> maybe someone here can help me. as i am not sure how to look this one up. i just got my first pi. every time after my initial raspian setup i plug it in and it will not display video. i can however ssh to it through my home network. only after i ssh and restart my pi will it display video.
[7:31] <shiftplusone> =S
[7:32] <shiftplusone> Another guy was here earlier saying he doesn't get video out on pidora, but is able to ssh in, although the pi is outputting to hdmi.... go figure.
[7:32] <shadynastys> is there something that makes the pi only display video after a reboot? i thought i corrupted my sd card but i can ssh just fine
[7:33] <shiftplusone> that would be a terrible 'feature'.
[7:33] <shadynastys> hmmm interesting
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[7:33] <shiftplusone> is this a clean image or is it after running rpi-update?
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[7:35] <shadynastys> i dont think i ran that command or even knew it existed
[7:36] * shiftplusone shrugs
[7:37] <shadynastys> but i think i will try a fresh image and see if the problem continues. im
[7:38] <shiftplusone> maybe while it's not working use tvservice to confirm it's trying to output to hdmi and that your monitor supports the display mode
[7:39] <shadynastys> i will try that thankyou
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[7:44] <shadynastys> when the cable gets plugged back in it goes into standby mode
[7:45] <shadynastys> state 0x40002 [NTSC 4:3], 720x480 @ 60Hz, interlaced
[7:45] <shiftplusone> so it's outputing to composite
[7:46] <shiftplusone> can you pastebin your config.txt?
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[7:46] <shadynastys> ok so i am now to this... where is that
[7:46] <shadynastys> new
[7:46] <shiftplusone> /boot/config.txt
[7:48] <shadynastys> i can but it is all comments
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[7:48] <shiftplusone> ah, don't then
[7:49] <shiftplusone> your monitor is plugged in and powered up when you turn on your pi?
[7:49] <shadynastys> yes
[7:49] <shiftplusone> try adding hdmi_force_hotplug=1 to config.txt
[7:49] <shadynastys> k
[7:49] <Lacriatch> Some of them, like Arch don't actually start a desktop environment. Maybe Pidora's the same.
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[7:50] <shiftplusone> Lacriatch, he wasn't getting a console either
[7:50] <Lacriatch> Strange
[7:50] <shadynastys> this is debian and i dont want a desktop. just need console
[7:50] <Lacriatch> Wait no
[7:50] <Lacriatch> Arch does the same thing
[7:51] <shiftplusone> arch gives you a console and you can see the boot messages
[7:51] <Lacriatch> Arch turns HDMI on and shows a black screen and absolutely zero display output
[7:51] <Lacriatch> Ah, maybe they changed it since I last plugged it in
[7:51] <shiftplusone> I've been using Arch from the start
[7:52] <shiftplusone> It has always been sane
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[7:53] <shadynastys> shiftplusone: that did it thankyou very much
[7:53] <shiftplusone> simple enough
[7:54] <shiftplusone> for some reason your pi is not detecting the display on the initial power up
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[7:55] <Lacriatch> Arch is always sane
[7:55] <Lacriatch> I just didn't remember ever getting HDMI output from it
[7:55] <Lacriatch> Which wasn't a problem since I used SSH over the LAN anyway
[7:56] <shiftplusone> It would be very insane not to give any video output.
[7:57] <shadynastys> well i dunno why that happens but thankyou for saving me from total restart you saved me many repeat hours
[7:58] <shiftplusone> np
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[9:25] <Bhaal> Can someone tell me if this is safe to use with the Pi? http://www.freetronics.com/pages/relay4-4-channel-relay-driver-module-quickstart-guide#.U4Lfb1T_SVI
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[9:25] <Bhaal> It says '5V digital' and I know the Pi is 3.3V .. Is it going to cause a problem>
[9:25] <Bhaal> ?
[9:26] <Xark> Likely.
[9:27] <mgottschlag> yeah, depends on what transistors they selected
[9:27] <shiftplusone> mgottschlag, 2N7002
[9:28] <mgottschlag> what resistor is between input and transistor base?
[9:28] <mgottschlag> ah, wait, that's an nmos
[9:28] <shiftplusone> 1K
[9:29] <shiftplusone> 10K to ground
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[9:30] <Bhaal> https://github.com/freetronics/RelayModule4
[9:30] <Bhaal> Schematics are there
[9:31] <shiftplusone> he left
[9:31] <shiftplusone> and I never got around to getting the hang of mosfets
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[9:33] <mgottschlag> sry, got disconnected
[9:33] <mgottschlag> that transistor does not conduct well enough at 3.3V
[9:33] <mgottschlag> except for small relays
[9:33] <shiftplusone> argh, bare metal is making my brain hurt and I'm not even going anything fancy. =/
[9:33] <mgottschlag> <3 bare metal brain hurting
[9:34] <shiftplusone> heh
[9:35] <shiftplusone> Just trying to set up the stack pointer, but what I'm looking at doesn't make sense O_o
[9:35] <shiftplusone> https://github.com/dwelch67/raspberrypi/blob/master/blinker01/vectors.s
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[9:35] <shiftplusone> Looks like he sets it to 0x8000, but isn't it the start of the program
[9:35] <shiftplusone> unless.... he moves it down.... =/
[9:36] <shiftplusone> nope, I'm missing something
[9:36] <mgottschlag> stacks usually grow downwards
[9:37] <shiftplusone> oh, downwards meaning <8000?
[9:37] <mgottschlag> e.g. ARM only has stack push/pop instructions for stacks which grow down
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[9:37] <mgottschlag> yeah, the first push (st with predecrementing of the register) will place a value at 0x7ffc
[9:37] <mgottschlag> same applies to x86
[9:38] <shiftplusone> oh, that explains it. Thanks
[9:38] <shiftplusone> so I can just mov sp, start and get on with it.
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[9:41] <Bhaal> mgottschlag: Sorry, was distracted by kids.... Thing is I didn't want to drive a relay, some 0.15A `12V case fans, but that mosfet isn't going to handle 4 of them (for each mosfet) ... So I will probably use the schematic and get my own boards made up (with wider tracks) and use my own components...
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[9:42] <shiftplusone> Then why not use a board that's know to work with the pi as a basE?
[9:42] <mgottschlag> also, PWM fans?
[9:43] <mgottschlag> oh, wait, that doen't matter
[9:43] <Bhaal> nah, I use them for room ventilation...
[9:44] <Bhaal> What I have been using is these: http://www.freetronics.com/products/n-mosfet-driver-output-module#.U4LwvlT_SVI
[9:44] <mgottschlag> yeah, was just thinking about how those might be easier to switch, but if you choose components yourself then you can just use a beefier transistor
[9:44] <Bhaal> They work real well, but use plenty of power all by themselves...
[9:46] <mgottschlag> I have a bunch of these flying around: http://www.digikey.com/product-detail/en/IRFML8244TRPBF/IRFML8244TRPBFCT-ND/2538166
[9:46] <mgottschlag> also, those don't use any power by themselves at all?
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[9:46] <shiftplusone> whoops.... can't mov sp, start, since it thinks start is 0x0 rather than 0x8000
[9:46] <mgottschlag> I mean, what you linked is a simple mosfet with verly low Rds(on), those should not generate any heat in your situation :)
[9:49] <Bhaal> mgorbach: They aren't and its a good package, just bulky is all...
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[9:50] <Bhaal> Eeep
[9:50] <Bhaal> sorry
[9:50] <Bhaal> mgottschlag: They aren't and its a good package, just bulky is all...
[9:50] <Bhaal> Sorry
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[9:54] <Bhaal> mgottschlag: My problem was finding a big enough PSU lying around the house which could run 16 x 120mm fans :)
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[9:54] <mgottschlag> ah, yeah, that's actually quite some power :D
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[9:58] <Bhaal> I really want one of new Pi modules and boards... So cannot wait!
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[10:01] <Bhaal> mgottschlag: Yeah, 2.5A at the very least... Sadly for the moment the best I could do was an old IBM Thinkpad PSU which is 16V ... pushing that through a 3A switchmode voltage regulator to drop it 12V ... so I don't expect the PSU to last for all that long, but long enough till I am better funded...
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[10:05] <Bhaal> I want one of the new module kits mostly because it exposes all the extra gpio pins...
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[10:48] <shiftplusone> mgottschlag, would you happen to know if the system timer needs to be initialised, or does it just run when powered up? (0x7E003000)
[10:50] <shiftplusone> Oh, I think I found more noob-friendly info about it, scratch that.
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[11:45] <CharlieBra7o> can the rpi buffer UART RX data? is it even possible with UART to receive at any time unlike spi/i2c?
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[11:50] <mgottschlag> shiftplusone: initializing it to 1MHz is one of the first things the firmware does
[11:50] <mgottschlag> CharlieBra7o: I would think that is possible, although the buffer size will be pretty limited
[11:51] <shiftplusone> That's good
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[11:51] <CharlieBra7o> okay...
[11:51] <shiftplusone> though I'm still having trouble actually using it. Not being able to view registers and single step through is a little tricky
[11:51] <CharlieBra7o> but thats still a big advantage over spi and i2c
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[11:51] <mgottschlag> or, well, maybe it would be possible to use the uart together with DMA and a larger buffer, but that will be difficult
[11:52] <mgottschlag> in any case it is not a big problem because the uart will trigger interrupts, and those interrupts will move data into a larger operating system buffer
[11:52] <CharlieBra7o> mh, yeah... would be very awesome but havnt heard anything about DM on the rpi yet
[11:53] <mgottschlag> actually, DMA is a stupid idea, at 1kB/s interrupts which move data in software are more than enough
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[11:54] <CharlieBra7o> I pretty much only need to fetch data from a microcontroller
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[11:55] <CharlieBra7o> problem with SPI/I2C is that rpi can only be the master, thus has to inf loop read all the data in, which is -.-
[11:55] <theTroy> Would anyone know of an adapter between ~40 pin RGB TFT screen and RGB jacks?
[11:55] <mgottschlag> CharlieBra7o: unless you add another interrupt line which is triggered by the MCU and signals that an SPI transaction is supposed to start
[11:55] <CharlieBra7o> no idea how to add interrupts on the rpi
[11:55] <mgottschlag> but in any case you should just use UART and think about realtime or buffering issues when problems arise, not earlier
[11:55] <CharlieBra7o> thought that wasnt possible..?
[11:56] <mgottschlag> GPIO interrupts are supported by WiringPi at least, you probably should ask gordonDrogon
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[11:56] <mgottschlag> (intentional highlighting)
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[11:57] <CharlieBra7o> oh cool, havnt cn wiringpi supported interrupts :O awesome ^^
[11:58] <mgottschlag> look at wiringPiISR()
[11:59] * gordonDrogon waves
[11:59] <mgottschlag> gordonDrogon: I think I found the relevant function already, sorry :p
[11:59] <gordonDrogon> excellent :)
[11:59] <CharlieBra7o> maybe gordon can look at my uart question:
[11:59] <CharlieBra7o> can the rpi buffer UART RX data? is it even possible with UART to receive at any time unlike spi/i2c?
[12:00] <gordonDrogon> all peripherals operate independantly.
[12:00] <gordonDrogon> I don't know for sure how big the hardware FIFO is on the uart, but Linux buffers data for you.
[12:01] <gordonDrogon> typically you'd poll the uart (via a Linux ioctl) to see if there is data there, then read data while there is data there to empty the hardware/software buffer and copy the data into your program.
[12:02] <gordonDrogon> my serial helpers provide easy functions to do most of this - or at least and easy function to hide the ioctl() call from you.
[12:02] <gordonDrogon> etc.
[12:02] <CharlieBra7o> okay
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[12:03] <gordonDrogon> I've used the on-board uart at 115200 baud without any issues. I've heard of people going faster, but that's fast enough for my needs.
[12:06] <CharlieBra7o> ok, I shall give teh uart a try then :p
[12:07] <gordonDrogon> if exchanging data, you just need to make your own little protocol - block your data up and send it in small chunks, wait for a reply from the other end before sending more.
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[12:08] <gordonDrogon> you could find out how big the Linux input buffer it by looping tx to rx and writing a little test program...
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[12:12] <gordonDrogon> .. or read the kernel sources and find that it's 256 bytes.
[12:12] <gordonDrogon> so your target could blip up to 256 bytes to the Pi before the Pi would lose data.
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[12:13] <CharlieBra7o> :D
[12:14] <CharlieBra7o> ok, that should be ok to start with
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[16:11] <tanuva> I've just read this tutorial for live tv via tvheadend/xbmc: http://www.techradar.com/news/computing/pc/tv-on-raspberry-pi-watch-and-record-live-tv-1151587/1 They don't say anything about video decoding. Don't I at least need a license for the hardware mpeg2 decoder? (assuming DVB-C)
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[18:13] <neredsenvy> Hi
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[18:14] <JVarhol> hey all
[18:15] <JVarhol> I have a problem and I wanted to know if you all can help me
[18:15] <neredsenvy> JVarhol: Speak
[18:15] <JVarhol> I have 3 monitors set up 1 large one on the bottom 2 small ones on top
[18:15] <JVarhol> the bottom one and the top left one are for my computer
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[18:16] <neredsenvy> ok
[18:16] <JVarhol> the top right one is for the raspberry pi, I currently have the two set up so that it is an extended destop
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[18:16] <neredsenvy> ok
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[18:16] <JVarhol> is there any way to set the pi up like that, where I drag my cursor to the top right of my main monitor and it goes to my pi
[18:16] <JVarhol> so I dont have to have 2 keyboards and 2 mice
[18:16] <pragmatism> Has anyone had problems with the wifi app crashing? I was running fine on PiBang, but now that I've switched to Raspian, the wifi app crashes as soon as I scan. I do get teh scan results though.
[18:17] <JVarhol> because it gets aggravating when I switch to my main comp and I am using the pi keyboard because the are both in front of me
[18:19] <Encrypt> What you wabt to do is quite tricky
[18:19] <JVarhol> I could do remote desktop connection and put it on the one monitor but the problem is that my video card only supports 2 monitors
[18:19] <neredsenvy> JVarhol: No sorry there is no way to have cross platform monitor sharing like that. You could either have windows on all 3 or pi on one and windows on 2.
[18:19] <JVarhol> even though it has 3 outputs
[18:19] <Encrypt> I mean, "having a continuous" display between the Pi and your Computer
[18:19] <Encrypt> However...
[18:19] <JVarhol> I saw that I could do VNC but again I can only support 2 monitors
[18:20] <CarlFK> JVarhol: http://synergy-foss.org/
[18:20] <neredsenvy> There is no way you will be able to drag a cursor from windows desktop/monitor onto rpi monitor
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[18:20] <neredsenvy> Unless you use DP Daisy chain or something like CarlFK linked
[18:20] <pragmatism> Man, these things are crazy slow :/
[18:21] <JVarhol> CarlFK: interesting let my give that some consideration and see if it works
[18:21] <Encrypt> JVarhol, You could buy one of these products:
[18:21] <Encrypt> http://www.labnol.org/software/share-keyboard-mouse-with-two-computers/18470/
[18:21] <Encrypt> Google "KVM switch" on the internet
[18:21] <Encrypt> You may find what you're looking for
[18:21] <neredsenvy> JVarhol: Why not use the easiest alternative ?
[18:21] <mfa298> JVarhol: looks at synergy as CarlFK suggested, that allows keyboard and mouse commands to be sent from one machine to another allowing you to use a single keyboard / mouse across several systems
[18:21] <Encrypt> That's the only olution you can use to my mind
[18:22] <Willd> Encrypt: Synergy is more like his solution, yours is just using the same monitor
[18:22] <neredsenvy> mfa298: but you need a pc behind each monitor
[18:22] <JVarhol> I have a KVM Switch and I dont want to use it
[18:22] <Encrypt> Ok
[18:22] <Encrypt> Willd, Right :)
[18:22] <Encrypt> I didn't know Synergy :]
[18:22] <neredsenvy> Synergy will only work if you have a PC behind each monitor : P
[18:22] <Encrypt> It seems interesting
[18:23] <mfa298> neredsenvy: I think that's pretty much what JVarhol is asking for, PC on two monitors, Pi on the 3rd but shared keyboard and mouse - which is exactly what synergy is for
[18:23] <Willd> There might be some performance issues with running synergy on a pi, but I reckon JVarhol understands that :)
[18:23] <pragmatism> Can I move windows in Raspian? None of them seem to be responding.
[18:23] <mfa298> as long as you can install / compile synergy on the Pi it should work (I've used it between Windows, Mac and Linux before)
[18:24] <neredsenvy> https://learn.adafruit.com/synergy-on-raspberry-pi/intro-what-is-synergy here is the guide
[18:24] <neredsenvy> I would extend my 3 screens
[18:24] <neredsenvy> on Windows
[18:24] <neredsenvy> then connect to
[18:24] <neredsenvy> RPI using SSH or XDesktop for (GUI)
[18:24] <JVarhol> neredsenvy: like I said before, my video card has 3 outputs but will only support 2 screens
[18:25] <JVarhol> unless I add my backup video card to it
[18:25] <JVarhol> Which I dont want to do
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[18:25] <neredsenvy> JVarhol: It supports more monitors but can only drive two outputs at the same time .. bandwith issue this is why DisplayPort/Tunderbolt 1.2b is so awesome
[18:25] <mfa298> XDesktop or vnc is probably a higher cpu hog than synergy on the pi and may not make as much use of the gpu.
[18:26] <neredsenvy> I assume you have a USB 2/3 port buy a USB to HDMI or USB to VGA or USB to DVI adapter
[18:26] <neredsenvy> use USB port as graphics port
[18:26] <neredsenvy> that how I run 4 screens on Intel HD 4000 not good for gaming but works like charm for work
[18:27] <JVarhol> neredsenvy: I prefer not to spend money
[18:28] <JVarhol> if I had to spend money I would rather live with 2 keybords and mice
[18:28] <neredsenvy> It's 10-15$ and you wont have the nasty performance issues
[18:29] <JVarhol> now how do I install synergy on the pi
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[18:47] <Twist-> JVarhol: probably just: sudo apt-get install synergy
[18:48] <Twist-> JVarhol: there's a debian package, at least. That usually implies a raspbian package exists.
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[18:48] <JVarhol> Twist-: http://synergy.googlecode.com/files/synergy-1.4.15-Source.tar.gz
[18:48] <JVarhol> oops not that
[18:49] <JVarhol> Twist-: https://learn.adafruit.com/synergy-on-raspberry-pi/compiling-synergy-for-raspbian
[18:49] <Twist-> JVarhol: right, but.. the point of having a package manager is that you don't need to dick around compiling thngs
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[18:49] <Twist-> ah, outdated verstion. though if you control all clients, this may not be a problem
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[18:50] <Twist-> I'd probably downgrade the clients. compiling on a pi makes me sad.
[18:50] <JVarhol> says un able to lock down admin directories
[18:50] <Twist-> did you neglect to sudo?
[18:51] <JVarhol> nope
[18:51] <JVarhol> let me restart the pi
[18:52] <Twist-> Maybe the Pi has a gui package mangler that's got ahold of the dpkg file?
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[18:52] <Twist-> I don't use X11 on the pi, so I might not have run into this one
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[18:54] <JVarhol> Twist-: you are a genius
[18:54] <Twist-> JVarhol: I've encountered very little evidence of this.
[18:56] <JVarhol> how do you do ~ on the pi
[18:57] <Twist-> I don't understand this question.
[18:57] <Twist-> Are you asking how to type a tilde character?
[18:57] <JVarhol> how do you make the ~ (tilde symbol) on the pi
[18:57] <JVarhol> yes
[18:57] <Twist-> Is your $ also wrong? :D
[18:57] <JVarhol> because the normal way doesnt work
[18:58] <JVarhol> no $ is good
[18:58] <JVarhol> but " and @ are switched
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[18:58] <JVarhol> is raspberry pi a UK invention?
[18:58] <Twist-> I ask because the pi out of the UK, and as such you get an EU keyboard.
[18:59] <Twist-> this can be fixed in the advanced section of the setup utility
[18:59] <JVarhol> yea
[18:59] <Twist-> you need to set your "localization" properly
[18:59] <JVarhol> what is the command to open it
[18:59] <Twist-> ^^ good google search key right there.
[18:59] <JVarhol> setup
[19:00] <JVarhol> i did
[19:00] <Twist-> https://www.google.com/search?q=raspberry+pi+change+locale
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[19:00] <JVarhol> OH NVM I REMEMBER
[19:00] <Twist-> huh.. this is junk
[19:00] <Twist-> raspi-config
[19:01] <Twist-> the first tutorial google returns is silly
[19:01] <JVarhol> yea I forgot what is was LOL
[19:01] <JVarhol> Then I remembered it
[19:01] <Twist-> I did too. Google saves me in such cases.
[19:02] <Twist-> nice thing about the pi.. the community is so large that you can reliably google "raspberry thing I want to do" and hit a tutorial with screenies
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[19:32] <CharlieBra7o> gordonDrogon: is the normal UART device (the pins) /dev/ttyAMA0 ?
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[19:56] <gordonDrogon> CharlieBra7o, yes.
[19:57] <CharlieBra7o> do u hav a small example of wiringpi uart usage?
[19:57] <gordonDrogon> examples/serialTest.c
[20:00] <CharlieBra7o> aaah thanks
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[20:08] <CharlieBra7o> ok, seems to work at least a LITTLE bit
[20:08] <CharlieBra7o> it goes crazy and sends the value 1 million times :D
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[20:14] <CharlieBra7o> meaning: the rpi outputs the value it gets from the microcontroller a thousand times
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[20:17] <gordonDrogon> write a better program then :-)
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[20:20] <CharlieBra7o> :D
[20:20] <CharlieBra7o> I thought it might have something to do with flushing the buffer, but apparently thats done with serialGetchar() already
[20:21] <CharlieBra7o> problem was I the ISR on the µc
[20:21] <CharlieBra7o> nvm :|
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[20:23] <gordonDrogon> serialGetchar () just fetches the next one - beware that in my implementation it times out after 10 seconds... read the fine documentation :)
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[20:52] <Yohio> are there any DLNA servers for RPi that support the most common file types (for video)? miniDLNA seems really limited
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[21:05] <rahuL__> Hii all
[21:05] <rahuL__> I want to make backup of my card image
[21:06] <rahuL__> do i use dd if=/dev/sdb of=rahul.img or of=rahul.iso
[21:06] <shiftplusone> doesn't matter
[21:07] <shiftplusone> but iso implies it's a CD, which it isn't, so img is more descriptive.
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[21:07] <Squibi> it's .img
[21:07] <rahuL__> shiftplusone, but when i will bring new card and dd .img , will it make any conflict
[21:07] <Squibi> iso is require for the compression
[21:08] <Squibi> img is raw data
[21:08] <shiftplusone> rahuL__, what kind of conflict are you thinking of? it's just a filename
[21:08] <rahuL__> Ohkk then i did it..
[21:09] <rahuL__> it is only of 406mb
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[21:09] <shiftplusone> are you sure sdb is the card?
[21:09] <rahuL__> yes, i think so
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[21:10] <shiftplusone> the output file should be the same size as the card, so that can't be right, unless you're using a 512mb card.
[21:10] <shiftplusone> are you sure you didn't use sdb1 instead of sdb?
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[21:11] <rahuL__> yes shiftplusone
[21:11] <CharlieBra7o> rahuL__: run lsblk
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[21:11] <rahuL__> CharlieBra7o, sdb 8:16 1 3.7G 1 disk
[21:11] <rahuL__> ├─sdb1 8:17 1 56M 1 part
[21:11] <rahuL__> └─sdb2 8:18 1 3.6G 1 part
[21:12] <rahuL__> shiftplusone, yes it is right
[21:12] <CharlieBra7o> weird... usually sdcards are mmcblk0
[21:12] <shiftplusone> looks like a pi sd card alright
[21:12] <shiftplusone> CharlieBra7o, depends on the controller.
[21:12] <CharlieBra7o> yeah, thus "usually"
[21:13] <rahuL__> shiftplusone, yes
[21:13] <rahuL__> it is
[21:13] <shiftplusone> so dd if=/dev/sdb of=something.img should give you a ~3.7GB something.img
[21:14] <rahuL__> let me check
[21:14] <rahuL__> you didnt wrote bs=4M
[21:14] <shiftplusone> it doesn't matter, it just may make it faster.
[21:15] <rahuL__> i think now it working
[21:15] <rahuL__> taking time..
[21:16] <CharlieBra7o> rahuL__: u could also try cat /dev/sdb > foo.img or pv /dev/sdb > foo.img
[21:16] <CharlieBra7o> did the latter just an hour ago with my sd card :]
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[21:17] <rahuL__> CharlieBra7o, it will show the contents
[21:17] <CharlieBra7o> it will transfer the contents
[21:18] <CharlieBra7o> anywho, does the dd work now??
[21:18] <rahuL__> yes it is working now
[21:18] <CharlieBra7o> ok, thats good
[21:18] <rahuL__> Yes lets see
[21:18] <CharlieBra7o> so what was the problem before? o0
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[21:19] <rahuL__> let us see
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[21:19] <rahuL__> hey, i am getting my laptop stucking in between..
[21:19] <shiftplusone> might have disconnected mid-write or something.
[21:20] <rahuL__> like mouse responding late
[21:21] <rahuL__> Why it is happening
[21:21] <CharlieBra7o> rahuL__: maybe ur ram is full
[21:21] <CharlieBra7o> where do u store the image to?
[21:21] <rahuL__> I have 4 gb of ram
[21:21] <shiftplusone> or you're out of free space
[21:21] <pragmatism> How can I configure my apple keyboard with numpad for Raspian? I can't find pipe lol.
[21:21] <CharlieBra7o> df -h ?
[21:22] <rahuL__> /dev/sda2 455G 18G 414G 5% /
[21:22] <rahuL__> there is a lot of space
[21:22] <shiftplusone> free -h ?
[21:23] <rahuL__> http://bpaste.net/show/9zgvuPWuxYozHsaAQSC5/
[21:23] <shiftplusone> anything evil at the end of dmesg?
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[21:24] <rahuL__> systemd-hostnamed[4943]: Warning: nss-myhostname is not installed. Changing the local hostname might make it unresolveable. Please install nss-myhostname
[21:24] * shiftplusone shrugs
[21:25] <shiftplusone> that doesn't look evil enough
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[21:25] <rahuL__> yes a more line i got
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[21:25] <rahuL__> indicator-sessi[1965]: segfault at 0 ip 0000000000411d7a sp 00007fffec5ca100 error 4 in indicator-session-service[400000+59000]
[21:26] <shiftplusone> that's more like it.
[21:26] <shiftplusone> no idea what indicator-session is though
[21:26] <rahuL__> Yes
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[21:26] <rahuL__> free -h say i have only 208 mb left
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[21:27] <shiftplusone> nuh, 2.3G, since that's including the cache and such, which can be freed up if necessary.
[21:28] <rahuL__> shiftplusone, ^ i didn't got your statement :D
[21:28] <shiftplusone> You have 2.3G available
[21:28] <rahuL__> Ohkk
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[21:28] <rahuL__> now my machine is working fine
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[21:29] <rahuL__> shiftplusone, and the image is also of 4 gb
[21:29] <rahuL__> :)
[21:29] <shiftplusone> excellent
[21:29] <rahuL__> means every thing is fine
[21:32] <rahuL__> i think firefox is woring like this.. making my resources busy.. might be
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[21:36] <stanleyForbes> I am trying to create a new kernel module (based off another one) — do I have to recompile the kernel at the same time? Or is it possible to just compile the module?
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[21:39] <shiftplusone> maybe look up out of tree module compile
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[21:45] <FutureTense> im able to use wicd-curses to connect to my wifi dongle
[21:45] <FutureTense> but when i reboot, I lose the wifi cagain
[21:45] <FutureTense> any suggestions?
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[21:46] <shiftplusone> do you have 'automatically connect to this network' ticked?
[21:46] <Jusii> see options and check couple X's in there
[21:48] <FutureTense> pretty sure that i did
[21:48] <FutureTense> ill look again
[21:51] <FutureTense> hmpfh... started working
[21:51] <FutureTense> didnt do squat
[21:51] <shiftplusone> mayhaps you didn't wait long enough earlier
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[22:26] <astronut> Hey - I should be seeing +5v DC across GPIO pins 2 and 6, right?
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[22:26] <shiftplusone> yes
[22:28] <astronut> ok, there it is
[22:28] <astronut> it was going nuts early
[22:28] <astronut> wonder if my meter's a bit insane
[22:28] <astronut> and it just dropped down to ~1
[22:28] <astronut> what the fuck
[22:28] <shiftplusone> might be easier to measure TP1 and TP2, if you're just checking that the supply is good
[22:29] <shiftplusone> and it's family friendly channel
[22:29] <astronut> my apollogies
[22:29] <shiftplusone> np, just a heads up
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[22:29] <astronut> I'm planning on using them for a project (think we talked about it a few weeks back - your nick sounds familiar)
[22:30] <astronut> and i was just sanity checking them
[22:30] <astronut> they're hovering at about 2.2 right now
[22:30] <shiftplusone> can't be right
[22:30] <astronut> are they regulated ?
[22:30] <shiftplusone> the 5V line comes straight from your power supply
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[22:30] <shiftplusone> no regulation on the pi
[22:31] <shiftplusone> well not 'straight', since there's a polyfuse for protection on the input
[22:31] <astronut> i wonder if my supply drops under load?
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[22:31] <shiftplusone> I don't think the pi would be running on 2.2V
[22:31] <astronut> no, i think my meter's just insane
[22:32] <astronut> i disconnected and reconnected it and it's now at 4.84
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[22:32] <astronut> let me swap the battery in it, it's been a few years
[22:32] <astronut> after 12 years with a $20 meter, it might be time to upgrade
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[22:35] <astronut> i think my probes are bad
[22:35] <astronut> that would explain it
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[22:38] <astronut> i'm getting weird failures on a continuity check probe-probe
[22:38] <astronut> *sigh*
[22:38] <astronut> ah well, onward and forward
[22:38] <astronut> and time to get a new meter
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[23:15] <CarlFK> raspbian with ssh enabled, cat 5 plugged into ubuntu laptop - is there some zero conf thing that will let me ssh to the pi?
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[23:16] <CarlFK> or do I have to first setup a static IP on the pie?
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[23:17] <shiftplusone> you can use connection sharing on ubuntu, which will enable a dhcp server.
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[23:22] <CarlFK> shiftplusone: I have seen the sharing option before - maybe even used it. but I don't see it.. any idea where I can find it ?
[23:23] <astronut> shiftplusone: something that wasn't clear to me in some sample code: GPIO.setmode(GPIO.BCM) # use real GPIO numbering
[23:23] <shiftplusone> I haven't used ubuntu since unity, so I don't know how much it has changed. If you go into the ipv4 wired settings, instead of 'automatic' there should be something like 'shared'.
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[23:23] <astronut> is that saying use the chip numbering or the board numbering?
[23:23] <astronut> i'm assuming "BCM" means chip
[23:23] <shiftplusone> astronut, chip
[23:23] <shiftplusone> aye
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[23:23] <astronut> so "23" means GPIO 23 on pin 16
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[23:24] <CarlFK> shiftplusone: got it. thanks
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[23:24] <shiftplusone> seems that way
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[23:27] <astronut> shiftplusone: thanks
[23:27] <shiftplusone> np
[23:27] <astronut> love it - adafruit's code doesn't even compile
[23:27] <CarlFK> will the dhcp client kick in when I un/re plug in the cat5?
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[23:28] <shiftplusone> CarlFK, should kick in right away, but I don't think the pi will try to get the ip
[23:28] <shiftplusone> then the leased IP should show up in /var/lib/misc/dnsmasq.leases
[23:28] <astronut> if i didn't have to fill out bullshit paperwork at work, i'd send a pull request to them...
[23:28] <shiftplusone> (so reboot the pi, maybe)
[23:29] <astronut> yay, it works!
[23:29] <astronut> shiftplusone: thanks for your help
[23:29] <shiftplusone> np
[23:30] * astronut skipped the voltage divider you recommended... should probably add that eventually
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[23:31] <SpeedEvil> Be careful - if you omit the voltage divider, it may end the universe.
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[23:32] <CarlFK> shiftplusone: fyi: pulling the cat 5 caused ubutu to drop the connection, plugged it back in and it does the "automaticly connect to" dhcp, not may shared..
[23:33] <astronut> SpeedEvil: i had several people tell me they did it just fine without
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[23:33] <Encrypt> SpeedEvil, The worst is that he has just killed a kitten...
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[23:34] <shiftplusone> CarlFK, eh?
[23:35] <CarlFK> shiftplusone: rough edges you may as well know in case you find yourself trying to do this too some day
[23:35] <shiftplusone> That's how my pi is connected right now O_o
[23:35] <CarlFK> lol
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[23:36] <CarlFK> I am guessing you changed your "wired connection" - I added a new one, which got dropped when I un/plugged the cat5
[23:36] <shiftplusone> ah
[23:38] <CarlFK> woot. ssh to pi.
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