#raspberrypi IRC Log

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IRC Log for 2014-05-28

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[0:17] <q_a_z_steve> Can someone help me update openElec here? I can’t seem to manage it when I run on my Pi, so I have just downloaded the tarballs and such to my OSX.
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[0:24] <petrusd987> Hey guys, I was hoping someone could tell me what package I need to install to get OpenGL on my Raspberry Pi under Arch Linux.
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[0:27] <shiftplusone> petrusd987, there's a little wrong with that..... What do you want to do?
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[0:28] <shiftplusone> The pi does not do opengl (only opengl es), but you can use mesa's opengl libs for software rendering (which is useless)
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[0:28] <petrusd987> oh, I see
[0:29] <petrusd987> Isn't OpenGL ES a subset of OpenGL?
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[0:30] <shiftplusone> yes, but they're not the same libs or header files
[0:31] <petrusd987> Ok
[0:32] <petrusd987> I guess my next question would be if there's any way for me to speed up X. I haven't realyl used it much on my Pi so I could be wrong but it seems to be extremely slow. Just maximizing a window takes a full 10 seconds.
[0:32] <petrusd987> really*
[0:32] <shiftplusone> fbturbo helps
[0:32] <petrusd987> I think I have that installed, let me check.
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[0:33] <shiftplusone> check the xorg log to make sure it's being used
[0:33] <petrusd987> Where is the Xorg log located?
[0:33] <shiftplusone> /var/log/Xorg.log, I think
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[0:37] <petrusd987> I check /var/log/Xorg.0.log because that's all there was and I found "[ 45.331] (EE) FBTURBO(0): FBIOBLANK: Operation not permitted" at the bottom. Could this have something to do with it?
[0:37] <petrusd987> checked*
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[0:38] <shiftplusone> nope, that's fine
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[0:38] <petrusd987> Ok, anything in particular I should be looking for?
[0:39] <shiftplusone> something other than Xorg, I suppose.
[0:39] <shiftplusone> due to the way the GPU works and the way X, gtk and qt work, there's not much that can be done to speed thing sup
[0:39] <shiftplusone> actually, one more thing..... raspi-copies-and fills
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[0:41] <petrusd987> What do you mean by raspi-copies-and-fills?
[0:41] <shiftplusone> https://github.com/simonjhall/copies-and-fills
[0:41] <shiftplusone> I don't know where the latest sources for it live
[0:41] <petrusd987> If I can't get X working faster I guess I'll just drop back to a terminal only because that seems to run pretty well.
[0:41] <petrusd987> Ok, I'll take a look at that
[0:41] <shiftplusone> it won't help all that much though
[0:41] <petrusd987> ok
[0:41] <shiftplusone> X is just slow on the pi and there's not much that can be done
[0:42] <petrusd987> Alright, that's fine.
[0:42] <petrusd987> Thanks for the help
[0:42] <trickyhero> maybe you could try wayland, I havn't tried it in awhile though
[0:42] <petrusd987> ok
[0:43] <shiftplusone> aye, wayland and and the thing written specifically for the pi.... maynard
[0:43] <shiftplusone> http://www.raspberrypi.org/preview-the-upcoming-maynard-desktop/
[0:44] <petrusd987> Ok, I'll have to look into that.
[0:45] <shiftplusone> will be a pain on Arch though
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[0:46] <petrusd987> It'll probably just be easier to drop back to the terminal.
[0:46] <petrusd987> How is it that people get things like Quake 3 running though?
[0:47] <shiftplusone> OpenGL ES
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[0:47] <shiftplusone> and there are tons of other way to access the GPU's processing power.
[0:47] <petrusd987> ok
[0:48] <petrusd987> I'd imagine programs have to be rewritten to use OpenGL ES over OpenGL right?
[0:48] <shiftplusone> well, ported.
[0:48] <petrusd987> ok
[0:49] <shiftplusone> And modern OpenGL programs tend to stick to functions available in OpenGL ES anyway
[0:49] <petrusd987> So there's a chance that they use only OpenGL ES compatible API calls?
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[0:50] * shiftplusone shrugs
[0:51] <shiftplusone> I haven't looked at opengl too closely
[0:51] <petrusd987> ok
[0:51] <petrusd987> I'll have to try it and see what happens.
[0:51] <shiftplusone> What is it you want to run on the pi?
[0:52] <petrusd987> Well I wanted to try getting Aleph One running on it.
[0:52] <petrusd987> It's a source port of Bungie's Marathon from the 90s with OpenGL support.
[0:53] <shiftplusone> It looks like they're porting it to ios, psp and and such
[0:53] <shiftplusone> I don't know about psp, but ios will want gles
[0:53] <petrusd987> awesome
[0:54] <petrusd987> Is there anything in particular I'd need to install to get a configure script to recognize gles?
[0:55] <shiftplusone> I haven't used Arch in a while. Does the configure script even have a gles option?
[0:55] <petrusd987> I'm not sure, I actually just put Arch back on my Pi so I need to redownload it.
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[0:56] <shiftplusone> I'm looking at the source code, and the main project seems to use deprecated opengl functions which aren't in gles
[0:57] <shiftplusone> glBegin(GL_LINE_LOOP); and such
[0:57] <biberao> glBegin is old school :D
[0:58] <shiftplusone> a lot of it looks okay, but I didn't look too closely and I forget hell of a lot
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[0:58] <shiftplusone> but I did see that glBegin, which is a no no
[0:59] <shiftplusone> I also see shaders and I don't know what the implications of that are.
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[2:06] <ponA> hey, does anyone know an irc channel for german students? i searched the web a lot but didn't find anything
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[2:08] <shiftplusone> As in... people who are German who are students or people who are students of German?
[2:09] <ponA> as i german people who are students :)
[2:09] <ponA> omg i never thought there could be a misunderstanding :)
[2:10] * shiftplusone shrugs
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[2:20] <[Saint]> Misunderstandings? Non-obvious secondary intents in an English language sentence?
[2:20] <[Saint]> Unheard of! ;)
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[2:29] <Shardvexz> are there any IDE's with intellisense/auto-complete for the pi?
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[2:37] <Lacriatch> Shardvexz: No
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[2:37] <Lacriatch> Shardvexz: The Pi runs Linux and as such can run any language Linux can run
[2:38] <Lacriatch> Shardvexz: There are IDEs for most languages but none specific for the Pi that i'm aware of
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[2:41] <shiftplusone> Lacriatch, I think he means an IDE that runs on the pi =P
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[3:24] <hfp> Hey guys! I would like to build a wine cellar monitor for my dad using a raspi. I was wonderin what sensors to get for humidity and temperature? I need to measure air temp, air relative humidity and temp inside a bottle (sensor imerged in water). I can make the temp sensor waterproof by my own means. I see that the DTH11/22 are popular but I also read several accounts that they are very picky about timing and often "
[3:24] <hfp> lock-up". Are there any affordable I2C, 1 wire or digital alternatives? I'd rather avoid adding a MCU tu handle the sensors and would prefer to hook them up to GPIOs directly.
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[3:25] <hfp> The data will be served via a Rails app hosted on the pi
[3:25] <hfp> webapp*
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[3:43] <Triffid_Hunter> hfp: SPI is probably the most robust serial protocol for that sort of thing. It's trivially easy to big-bang and the timing is non-critical. If you can find SPI sensors with 3.3v I/O you should be golden, have a play with WiringPi
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[3:48] <hfp> Triffid_Hunter: So any SPI sensor is fine, no need for a particular one?
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[4:04] <Triffid_Hunter> hfp: well they'll each have their own interesting caveats, check datasheets carefully against your target application
[4:05] <hfp> Triffid_Hunter: Do you mean I should check on the datasheet that the range of the sensor matches the environment I'm going to use it in or something else?
[4:06] <Triffid_Hunter> hfp: yes check that. also check sample rate, data format, I/O voltages, anything else that jumps out at you
[4:06] <nicdev> anyone built the 3.12.20 kernel with the wolfson card kernel patches?
[4:07] <hfp> Triffid_Hunter: Ok. Is there a library I should look into? I haven't looked yet into how to use the GPIOs on the RasPi. My only use has been to make an XBMC (how exotic).
[4:07] <Triffid_Hunter> hfp: WiringPi is apparently the go-to library for using the GPIO and similar hardware modules
[4:08] <shiftplusone> for C anyway
[4:08] <Triffid_Hunter> isn't it C++?
[4:08] <shiftplusone> it's written in C, but of course you can use it from C++
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[4:09] <hfp> Triffid_Hunter: Thanks. Any good ressource to get me started on that project?
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[4:11] <Triffid_Hunter> hfp: successfully interpreting datasheets and matching parts to your project is a rather understated skill with no well-trodden avenues to learning it.. best get started!
[4:11] <Lacriatch> hfp: I got a board with a BMP085 on it which does temperature and pressure. Pretty easy to work with. Works over I2C though
[4:11] <hfp> Triffid_Hunter: Oh yes of course, I meant on the software side. I don't know how to interface with the GPIO or anything connected to it. I played with Arduino a year ago
[4:12] <Lacriatch> hfp: There are Ruby wrappers for WiringPi here: https://github.com/WiringPi/WiringPi-Ruby
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[4:13] <hfp> Lacriatch: Thanks
[4:13] <Triffid_Hunter> hfp: I haven't played with WiringPi yet, I use arduinos and similar for GPIO tasks
[4:14] <Lacriatch> hfp: As far as I can see there's no support for SPI though :/
[4:14] <Lacriatch> Just serial (UART) and GPIO
[4:14] <Triffid_Hunter> Lacriatch: SPI is dead easy to bit-bang
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[4:15] <Lacriatch> Triffid_Hunter: I honestly have little idea what I'm talking about. What's bit banging?
[4:17] <Triffid_Hunter> Lacriatch: something like uint8_t spi_transfer(uint8_t data) { uint8_t r = 0; for (int i = 0; i < 8; i++) { MOSI = data & 0x80; SCK = 1; delay_us(10); r |= MISO?1:0; SCK = 0; data >>=1; r <<=1 } return r; }
[4:17] <Lacriatch> Ah o.O
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[4:17] <Triffid_Hunter> ie doing the SPI transfer manually by toggling the GPIO in software
[4:17] <Lacriatch> Good point
[4:18] <Lacriatch> I have a feeling it wouldn't work so well in Python though
[4:18] <Lacriatch> Since Python is slow
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[4:19] <Triffid_Hunter> Lacriatch: well this is the beauty of SPI, it doesn't care about speed
[4:19] <Triffid_Hunter> you could run the clock at 1Hz (and take 8 seconds per transfer) and it'd be perfectly happy
[4:19] <hfp> Lacriatch, Triffid_Hunter: So how does it work? Do you write something in C++ to interface with the sensors and something in Ruby/Rails to use the data gathered using C++?
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[4:19] <Lacriatch> Oh o.O
[4:19] <Triffid_Hunter> hfp: no idea why you need ruby, but yeah use the GPIO library to read data from the sensors, then do something interesting with it
[4:20] <hfp> Triffid_Hunter: I would need it because I want to display the data from the sensors in a Rails app
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[4:20] <swiss> rails is the cancer of coding
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[4:20] <hfp> swiss: That's your opinion and another debate entirely haha
[4:21] <swiss> i should just turn it on an autotrigger
[4:21] <swiss> whenever i see RoR I feel morally obligated to say it :P
[4:21] <Lacriatch> I have to say after using Rails that I really don't get it. I'm a Django guy and it seems to be missing a lot of stuff.
[4:21] <Lacriatch> But you're right, it's off topic
[4:21] <Lacriatch> And likely to lead to war :p
[4:21] <hfp> swiss, Lacriatch: Whatever works for your project I guess
[4:21] <swiss> it wouldn't lead to war since my argument doesn't consist of more than "I really don't like rails"
[4:22] <Triffid_Hunter> hfp: once you've gathered the data you can do anything you like with it ;)
[4:22] <swiss> "because reasons"
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[4:22] <hfp> Triffid_Hunter: What I don't understand yet is what happens with the data, how do you pass it from the GPIO to something else?
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[4:23] <Triffid_Hunter> hfp: a pipe should work fine
[4:23] <Triffid_Hunter> hfp: ruby can invoke native programs and gather the text they spit out, yes?
[4:25] <hfp> Triffid_Hunter: Yes
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[4:26] <Triffid_Hunter> hfp: so you just need a tiny C/C++ program using WiringPi which reads your sensor and spits out the data, then your ruby can call it periodically
[4:27] <hfp> Triffid_Hunter: Sounds straight forward
[4:27] <hfp> Any good place to get a Pi from in Canada? Apart from element14
[4:27] <Triffid_Hunter> hfp: it is :) it's amazing what you can build when you have a full set of lego.. this is why I like linux and friends ;)
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[5:06] <hfp> Triffid_Hunter: Sh*t, SPI sensors aren't cheap! I can't find anything under 15-20$
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[5:07] <Triffid_Hunter> hfp: are I2C ones any better? I2C requires hardware support due to timing requirements, and is significantly more sensitive to noise than SPI, but if they're massively cheaper for some reason your hand may be forced
[5:08] <hfp> Triffid_Hunter: Well I don't really know how bad it would be to use something else than SPI to be honest. I was wary of the cheap DHT11/22 sensors because I read people had problems with them, but I'm not sure how big of a problem it is to use analog sensors with the Pi and no MCU?
[5:09] <hfp> Triffid_Hunter: Also, where else than Google do you look for suitable parts?
[5:09] <phire> I'm not sure how well reading a DHT11/22 would go on the raspberry pi.
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[5:10] <hfp> phire: It seems to be problematic from what I read
[5:10] <phire> I had enough problems on an 8 bit amtel
[5:10] <Triffid_Hunter> hfp: yeah you want to avoid analog
[5:11] <phire> From what I could tell, the timing varied based on the temperature
[5:11] <phire> then again, I think I might have gotten a cheep Chinese clone.
[5:11] <Triffid_Hunter> phire: if the clock changes with temperature you're using the internal RC osc which has well documented temperature drift
[5:12] <hfp> phire: Well, DHT11/22 look like a crapshot, you may be lucky or not, you may get a Chinese knockoff or not, it may work or not... Because I live 6000 km away from where it will be used, I need something reliable.
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[5:15] <phire> My problem was it was varying by +/- 2 deg Celsius
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[5:15] <phire> I wanted more accuracy than that, so I bascially threw it in a box
[5:16] <Triffid_Hunter> phire: +/-2°C is decent for some random analog sensor.. you need to oversample if you want better accuracy
[5:17] <phire> it was varying second to second
[5:17] <Triffid_Hunter> phire: yes. that's called noise.
[5:17] <phire> :(
[5:18] <hfp> Triffid_Hunter: Where do you hunt for parts? I use Google but I'm sure there are better tools...
[5:18] <phire> hmm, how much noise am I getting on my current sensor
[5:19] <phire> (Magnetometer)
[5:19] <Triffid_Hunter> hfp: element14 or similar
[5:19] <hfp> Triffid_Hunter: Isn't there an aggregator or something?
[5:21] <Triffid_Hunter> hfp: they *are* one
[5:21] <hfp> Triffid_Hunter: haha ok, thanks
[5:21] <phire> looks like ~10% noise
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[5:22] <hfp> Does the RPi provide 3.3V or 5V for sensors?
[5:22] <phire> 3.3v
[5:23] <phire> well, you can get 5v. But it only does 3.3v IO
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[5:29] <clever> phire: ive used ds18b20 for temp sensors, they work great
[5:29] <clever> "2014-05-28 00:28:59 bedroom temp: 20.75c(69.35f), kitchen: 24.06c(75.31f), living room: 24.25c(75.65f), outdoor: 3.50c(38.30f) VCC: over 4.5 volts portb: 00000000"
[5:29] <clever> i currently have a small bank of them wired into an AVR and strung up all over the house
[5:29] <clever> 1/16th of a degree resolution
[5:29] <phire> what's the protocol like for reading them?
[5:29] <clever> custom stuff, the on/off time sets the bit value
[5:30] <clever> the pi already has a driver
[5:30] <clever> but i dont trust running 20 meters of cable all over the house into a single unprotected pi pin
[5:30] <clever> the AVR is much harder to kill and cheaper
[5:31] <clever> then you can connect to the AVR to the pi uart, or use an ftdi (even an arduino over usb would work if you wanted to go that route)
[5:31] <phire> I like the idea of connecting the ARV upto SPI
[5:31] <clever> thats also a valid option
[5:31] <phire> then you can use the SPI bus for both programming the AVR and communication
[5:32] <clever> a few months ago, i wrote an i2c based bootloader, so i could flash the AVR over i2c
[5:32] <clever> but that project has since been cancled
[5:34] <phire> aww
[5:34] <phire> but SPI is better, because you don't need to rely on a working bootloader
[5:34] <clever> spi requires 2 chip select lines, 1 for reset (to select ISP) and 1 to select normal mode
[5:35] <phire> biggest problem with that scheme is your AVR ends up at 3.3v
[5:35] <clever> i wanted to run dozens of AVR's on the same bus
[5:35] <clever> and at a hardware/driver level, thats all the pi has
[5:35] <phire> which may or may not be what you want
[5:35] <phire> yep, i2c is good for that
[5:35] <clever> and i didnt want to tear walls open for a firmware update
[5:35] <clever> so i made a i2c bootloader
[5:36] <phire> What's annoying about i2c is that you can't really have multiple sensors of the same type on the same bus
[5:36] <clever> in general, those sensors will have an address select pin
[5:36] <phire> Some devices let you modify 1 bit of the address
[5:36] <clever> some let you modify 3 bits of it
[5:36] <clever> ive made a touch sensitive keypad for my pi with an mpr121
[5:36] <clever> it even registered in linux as a normal keyboard
[5:36] <phire> but it's really dependant on the exact sensor.
[5:36] <clever> so all apps just work
[5:37] <phire> Where as spi as long as you can make extra chip select pins, you can wire more things onto the bus
[5:37] <clever> but i think the hardware is limited to 2 chip select lines
[5:38] <clever> beyond that, you have to cheat with GPIO, and add timeouts to wait for the hardware spi buffer
[5:38] <clever> which will ruin your thruput
[5:38] <clever> the spi hardware is fire and forget
[5:38] <clever> so it wont have even started by the time control returns to your code
[5:38] <clever> when do you de-select a chip?
[5:38] <phire> well, if you want throughput, the rpi is kind of the wrong device
[5:38] <clever> when can you select the next chip?
[5:39] <clever> with the real chip select lines, the hardware will buffer it properly and auto-switch slaves as needed
[5:39] <clever> and get the most thruput the little chip can get
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[5:40] <phire> so what kind of project was the i2c bootloader for?
[5:41] <clever> thermostat system, one avr in each room, to control the heating
[5:41] <clever> all routed back to a central spot with solid state relays and internet control
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[5:41] <phire> would have been cool
[5:42] <phire> or warm, depending on the time of year
[5:42] <clever> lol
[5:45] <Triffid_Hunter> http://i.imgur.com/umwaOKA.jpg <-- arduino modified for 3.3v if anyone's curious
[5:46] <Lacriatch> Triffid_Hunter: I could have sworn you just took off a power converter or something
[5:47] <Triffid_Hunter> Lacriatch: dunno about recent ones, but that model required me to lift the Vcc_IO pin of the FT232 and reroute it to the "5v" rail. then I remove the voltage select jumper, and short 5v and 3.3v on the header
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[5:47] <Triffid_Hunter> thus, the atmega runs from the FT232's 3.3v regulator, and the FT232 has correct Vcc_IO
[5:47] <clever> the ftdi is wired to the 5v rail from the usb port
[5:48] <clever> so if you try to run it off 3.3v, then hook up usb, you ram 5v into your 3.3v supply
[5:48] <clever> and fry all the 3.3v only parts
[5:48] <clever> if you never touch the usb, you can probly hook 3.3v directly to the vcc rail and it will just work
[5:50] <Triffid_Hunter> clever: that only happens if I leave the voltage select jumper on. if I take it off, the atmega's 5v rail is connected to nothing
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[5:50] <Triffid_Hunter> and so I can safely feed 3.3v into it
[5:50] <clever> ah
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[5:51] <Triffid_Hunter> only reason I have to rewire anything is that the FT232's Vcc_IO is hooked to usb 5v instead of atmega 5v
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[8:50] <smj> How much power do the RPi USB ports provide?
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[8:53] <Lacriatch> smj: Power as in wattage?
[8:54] <smj> I'm okay with milliamps too
[8:54] <Lacriatch> smj: http://elinux.org/Rpi_Low-level_peripherals#Power_pins
[8:54] <Lacriatch> Around 300mA
[8:56] <gordonDrogon> it's probably better to think of having about 200mA spare on the +5v supply - to be shared between the GPIO and USB ports.
[8:57] <shiftplusone> Well, it's better to figure out how much you need and then ask if the pi can provide that much and what the implications are, rather than think of the pi as being able to provide a certain specific amount
[8:57] <shiftplusone> the polyfuse and range of supplies, different load conditions and peripherals complicate things a bit.
[8:58] <Lacriatch> smj: If you're worried about it, just use a powered USB hub
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[9:00] <smj> I was thinking of using 2 gamepads with rumble and a WLAN plug, and occasionally keyboard and mouse
[9:00] <shiftplusone> will need a hub, most likely
[9:01] <shiftplusone> As Sir Lacriatch says
[9:01] <smj> I have a hub, but not an externally powered one... the microUSB power source is 2A, though
[9:01] <shiftplusone> needs to be powered
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[9:02] <smj> Ok.
[9:02] <shiftplusone> the supply doesn't matter, as long as it's above 700mA (roughly)
[9:02] <shiftplusone> You're going to have a bad time if you draw more than 750ish through the pi
[9:03] <shiftplusone> (total, including the pi itself)
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[11:15] <lacrymology> I've got my raspi set up to give DHCP through ethernet, and I want it to connect instead. What should I be loooking at?
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[11:16] <shiftplusone> 'give dhcp through ethernet' means you're running a dhcp server on the pi and you want it to be a client? =S
[11:18] <lacrymology> shiftplusone: yes, exactly. I'm connecting my pc to it through the cable, and it gives me an IP, but I want it to connect to a router and get internet through it instead
[11:19] <lacrymology> god
[11:19] <lacrymology> I'm a programmer, I'm a highly technical user, and a linux user for many years, and everytime I come down to sysadmin stuff I feel like a baby
[11:19] <shiftplusone> Do the reverse of what you did to set it up that way. Disable dnsmasq and configure /etc/network/interfaces accordingly.
[11:20] <shiftplusone> heh
[11:20] <lacrymology> yeah, the problem is that I inherited the pi from a friend who IS a sysadmin, I don't know how he set it up
[11:20] <lacrymology> =)
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[11:20] <shiftplusone> anything important on it? >.>
[11:20] <lacrymology> just the config
[11:21] <lacrymology> it's set up as a wifi bridge, but I don't have the wifi cards anymore
[11:21] <lacrymology> I wouldn't like to lose them anyways
[11:21] <ShorTie> wipe and reload it
[11:21] <lacrymology> yeah, maybe
[11:21] <shiftplusone> might be easier to do that ^
[11:21] <gordonDrogon> might be an idea to ^
[11:21] <shiftplusone> heh
[11:21] <lacrymology> but.. really? I don't have enough.. bandwidth to download the image
[11:21] <ShorTie> or, just go grab a new sdcard
[11:21] <lacrymology> I'm in indonesia with shity expensive 3g.. how much is the raspbian image?
[11:22] <shiftplusone> I think you can work backwards, but if you don't know where form, it's a little tricky
[11:22] <lacrymology> yeah
[11:22] <lacrymology> well
[11:22] <lacrymology> I know what I can do
[11:22] <lacrymology> silly
[11:22] <shiftplusone> I'd start by looking and the interfaces file and what services are enabled
[11:22] <lacrymology> I'll back it up
[11:22] <lacrymology> and play
[11:23] <gordonDrogon> the current Raspbian image is 780MB.
[11:23] <gordonDrogon> there is a NOOBS Lite which is 20MB, but it will then pull the rest over the net.
[11:25] <shiftplusone> makes more sense to use the netinstall, since it won't pull in all the bloat
[11:27] <ShorTie> or get your sysadmin friend to down load it for you
[11:27] <lacrymology> he's in another country now
[11:27] <lacrymology> well
[11:27] <lacrymology> I'll manag
[11:27] <lacrymology> but you're right, I should wipe and restart
[11:27] <lacrymology> 780M is better than I expected
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[11:33] <gordonDrogon> it unzips to 2.8GB.
[11:34] <gordonDrogon> you'll need another PC with an SD read/writer.
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[11:37] <shiftplusone> gordonDrogon, is it just me or does C not give a direct way to check for overflow?
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[11:38] <gordonDrogon> it's C
[11:38] <gordonDrogon> well for integer operations. you can do checks for floatingp oint.
[11:38] <gordonDrogon> "left as an excercise to the user".
[11:38] <ShorTie> it would be nice if they offered something in between the net install and the current image with all the stuff in it
[11:38] <geordie> ulrunner > /dev/null 2>&1
[11:38] <geordie> bash-3.2$ fg
[11:38] <geordie> oops
[11:39] <shiftplusone> ShorTie, the netinstall is customizable
[11:39] <ShorTie> ya, i know
[11:39] <ShorTie> but that can be a whole bunch for some
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[13:05] <Feigrim> Anyone know if it's possible to read input from a keyboard with a 5 pin DIN connector on the GPIO?
[13:06] <gordonDrogon> Feigrim, yes - but you'll need to write your own code to interface it.
[13:06] <Feigrim> yeah the keyboard I have is from a serial terminal so that would be needed anyway :)
[13:06] <Feigrim> no PC compatible
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[13:17] <gordonDrogon> serial? as in rs232 type serial?
[13:17] <gordonDrogon> like an old vt100 type termina?
[13:17] <Feigrim> yeah it's a Facit A3400 from 1991
[13:17] <Feigrim> I think it's vt100 compatible
[13:18] <Feigrim> there is something wrong with the video circuit I think, because the CRT is just giving me a bunch of flickering lines
[13:18] <Feigrim> http://i.imgur.com/GnrAXxx.jpg
[13:18] <Feigrim> that's what it looks like
[13:18] <gordonDrogon> yea.
[13:19] <Feigrim> the screen responds to the brightness control wheel, so that leads me to believe that the CRT might be fine
[13:19] <gordonDrogon> so what you need is a Pi uart to rs232 convterer. some thing that will take the Pi's 3.3v and boost it to standard rs232 levels. there are many such devices out there.
[13:19] <Feigrim> no I just want to connect the keyboard that came with this terminal, that keyboard has a standard DIN plug
[13:20] <Feigrim> and I don't know if just using a DIN to mini-DIN (PS/2) converter would work since this keyboard is not PC compatible
[13:20] <gordonDrogon> ah, right.
[13:20] <gordonDrogon> it could well be some proprietary protocol then.
[13:21] <gordonDrogon> you'd need to stick a 'scope/analyser on it to find out.
[13:21] <Feigrim> yeah, but as long as I can get some sort of output out if I have something to work with, to write a Linux kernel module or something for it
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[13:39] <causality> sorry if i missed an answer to this question the other day, but are there any serial terminal clients which can capture coming with raspbian?
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[13:51] <gordonDrogon> causality, minicom can log stuff.
[13:52] <causality> that's a name i've not heard in about fifteen years
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[13:53] <gordonDrogon> I use minicom frequently...
[13:53] <gordonDrogon> it's a package under debian/raspian.
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[13:53] <causality> i will give it a go
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[13:54] <causality> i've got to capture some proprietory protocol and build a simulator for it
[13:54] <ppq> minicom is great. somebody also recommended picocom last time, iirc
[13:54] <gordonDrogon> if it's binary, you might be better off writing a program to do it...
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[13:57] <causality> gordonDrogon: i have the protocol spec document, but i'd also like to work from real data
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[14:10] <gordonDrogon> never a badthing.
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[14:59] <smj> Can I overclock to 900MHz without overvolting and without corrupting the filesystem?
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[15:00] <pksato> smj: if set overclock using raspi-config, is safe.
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[15:01] <Pris3rgy> 900 MHz is "medium" in raspi-config
[15:01] <Pris3rgy> Should be fine.
[15:01] <smj> I bought an SD card just few weeks ago and had to have it replaced just 2 days ago
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[15:02] <Pris3rgy> It is 2 overvolt at 900MHz, however.
[15:02] <Pris3rgy> Yeah, when you push 1GHz you're flirting with SD corruption.
[15:03] <smj> I used with an older partition, so I don't remember the overclocking setting I was using, but I don't intend to use any overvolting this time
[15:03] <smj> but I'm pretty sure it wasn't turbo
[15:04] <Pris3rgy> You can't increase clock speed without an increase in voltage. Physics don't work that way.
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[15:05] <smj> What's the 'Modest' setting about then?
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[15:08] <Pris3rgy> Only the ARM processor is bumped up with "Modest". I would *assume* that the default settings provide more voltage than is necessary, and thus there is a ceiling to jump to modest without additional voltage requirements. It will consume more energy, regardless.
[15:08] <smj> okay
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[15:24] <bowiz2> So I don't have a powered usb hub for my pi yet, so I've been looking at other ways to get my pi hooked up to a wireless adapter. I thought of using my laptop, not as a bridge (as that would only connect me to the network that the laptop is connected to), but as an actual adapter. Is this possible? (googling returned no results)
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[15:28] <Pris3rgy> You mean using your laptop just to power your pi?
[15:28] <Pris3rgy> Or connecting cat5 to your pi and laptop?
[15:30] <bowiz2> Pris3rgy - I mean using my laptop the same way I would use something like this: http://www.amazon.com/Edimax-EW-7811Un-Wireless-Adapter-Wizard/dp/B003MTTJOY/ref=pd_cp_pc_0
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[15:39] <Twist-> I haven't needed a powered hub to run that wireless adapter.
[15:39] <Pris3rgy> Neither have I.
[15:39] <Twist-> I'm just running the Pi off an old phone charger with that wifi nubbin.
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[15:41] <Twist-> Heh.. a Pi has been serving as my WAP for months because I'm too cheap to buy a proper router.
[15:41] <Pris3rgy> I have XBMC on one of mine, and it's just plugged into the back of the TV in the "service USB".
[15:41] <Pris3rgy> Turns on and off with my TV.
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[15:52] <halabund> Has anyone here mounted a raspberry pi (together with the pi camera) on a standard tripod?
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[15:52] <IT_Sean> Shouldn't be too hard
[15:53] <IT_Sean> drill and tap a hole in a case... mount case to tripod... put raspi in case
[15:53] <IT_Sean> Dunno why you would want to, tho...
[15:54] <halabund> IT_Sean: cases are a bit expensive though and I don’t know which one will have sufficient space for an extra bolt
[15:55] <IT_Sean> Customizing a case is probably your best bet.
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[15:57] <Pris3rgy> halabund: duct tape.
[15:57] <IT_Sean> * duck tape
[15:58] <Pris3rgy> IT_Sean: *duct tape. Duck tape is a brand. The tape is "duct tape". Duck Tape makes duct tape.
[15:59] <IT_Sean> I know
[15:59] <IT_Sean> but the 'duck tape' logo is just adorable!
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[16:26] <lord4163> Nice, like 5x crashes this week, I bought a <censored> UPS, and reflashed the card for the millionth time, and now it crashed again after getting the <censored> updates....
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[16:27] <lord4163> It's driving me crazy :(
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[16:28] <IT_Sean> easy there.
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[16:33] <Pris3rgy> I didn't get any of that rant.
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[20:18] <steve_rox> yay 8 lith ion cells on rpi
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[20:36] <steve_rox> only wish the cells were marked better
[20:36] <steve_rox> then again they are laptop salvage
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[20:37] <steve_rox> 18650 cells
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[20:39] <steve_rox> everyone asleep
[20:40] <IT_Sean> asleep, or at work.
[20:40] <steve_rox> i guess
[20:40] <IT_Sean> (or both!)
[20:40] <steve_rox> who can tell
[20:41] <steve_rox> 8 cells 4 in parrel
[20:42] <steve_rox> got to be carefull with them they are non protected
[20:42] <IT_Sean> careful then!
[20:42] <steve_rox> very high current
[20:43] <mortal> oom
[20:43] <IT_Sean> liIon cells have a tendency to go BANG when mistreated.
[20:43] <mortal> b
[20:43] <IT_Sean> and you won't be able to put out the resultant fire.
[20:43] <steve_rox> yeah thats why im being carefulll with them
[20:44] <steve_rox> running rpi off it at moment
[20:44] <steve_rox> so far so good
[20:45] <steve_rox> only consern is monitoring them for when they get too low
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[20:45] <steve_rox> 7.8v going into rpi
[20:45] <steve_rox> with drop down board between ;-)
[20:47] <IT_Sean> Okay. good.
[20:47] <IT_Sean> 7.8v would be way too hot for the Pi :p
[20:47] <steve_rox> i have a digital display showing voltage from the whole setup
[20:47] <steve_rox> 7.8 holding
[20:47] <IT_Sean> Nice
[20:48] <steve_rox> i think that means both packs are 3.9v
[20:48] <steve_rox> below 3 is bad
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[20:49] <naquad> hi
[20:49] <SpeedEvil> Higher can be appropriate.
[20:49] <SpeedEvil> I power my fireworks pi with 8302V
[20:49] <steve_rox> at what voltage should i stop?
[20:49] <naquad> i've got debain wheezy from http://www.raspberrypi.org/downloads/ but i can't login as root. i've tried empty password, root, password. no luck.
[20:49] <SpeedEvil> 3 is a typical end voltage.
[20:50] <SpeedEvil> You need to stop at 3 (or 2.7 at lowest) on any cell.
[20:50] <steve_rox> okays :-)
[20:50] <wiiguy> naquad
[20:50] <wiiguy> ya need to change the root password
[20:50] <SpeedEvil> If your cells are slightly assymetrical - you may want to terminate at - say - 6.6
[20:50] <steve_rox> i have 2 packs of 4 in each pack
[20:50] <steve_rox> 4 in parrel
[20:50] <naquad> wiiguy, mmm init=/bin/sh?
[20:50] <wiiguy> no
[20:50] <naquad> then how?
[20:50] <wiiguy> sudo passwd root
[20:50] <naquad> *i can't login*
[20:50] <steve_rox> was thinking series batt setup but this may be better
[20:50] <wiiguy> login in as pi:raspberry
[20:51] <wiiguy> it is a account with admin rights
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[20:51] <wiiguy> most peopel dont touch "root"
[20:51] <naquad> wiiguy, nope, doesn't let me in
[20:51] <wiiguy> username : pi
[20:51] <wiiguy> password : raspberry
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[20:52] <naquad> wiiguy, thanks! looks like i've been mistyping something
[20:52] <wiiguy> lol ok
[20:52] <steve_rox> ill have to obtain some more these 18650 cells they are evil :-)
[20:52] <wiiguy> if you donmt need the root account
[20:52] <wiiguy> stay out of it
[20:52] <wiiguy> just use usod on pi account
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[20:52] <wiiguy> sudo*
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[20:54] <steve_rox> lucky i have a lcd off switch it can stretch out the power further
[20:55] <steve_rox> i need some kinda volt sensor for the rpi
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[21:12] <lord4163> is it not possible to shutdown a raspberry pi?
[21:12] <steve_rox> sudo halt
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[21:12] <lord4163> steve_rox: right and then it reboots again?
[21:13] <steve_rox> halt cmd should prevent reboot
[21:13] <lord4163> steve_rox: At least that happens here
[21:13] <steve_rox> it should sit there in a sleep kinda mode
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[21:13] <lord4163> steve_rox: hm ok http://paste.kde.org/pbqjps06j
[21:14] <steve_rox> usp batteries?
[21:14] <steve_rox> ups
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[21:16] <bigx> hi there
[21:16] <steve_rox> hello
[21:16] <bigx> what's the right way to completely turn of the screensaver in raspbian?
[21:16] <bigx> turn off
[21:16] <steve_rox> maybe you mean screen blanking
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[21:18] <Jusii> for console blanking consoleblank=0 in cmdline.txt should do it
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[21:22] <lord4163> steve_rox: yes I bought a UPS so I don't have to reflash the SD card everyday :)
[21:22] <steve_rox> maybe that script is conflicting with it somehow?
[21:23] <steve_rox> or
[21:23] <steve_rox> erm
[21:23] <steve_rox> the wrong cmd for shutdown is issued?
[21:24] <lord4163> steve_rox: I don't know, have to do some more testing tomorrow..... :(
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[21:25] <steve_rox> i guess
[21:25] <steve_rox> im using lith ion cells on my rpi at moment
[21:25] <lord4163> steve_rox: and btw do you know when Raspbian will ship with a good FS? That doesn't corrupt every time there is a power failure?
[21:25] <steve_rox> did you try repair the file system?
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[21:26] <steve_rox> i have to insert my sd into another rpi and make it repair it
[21:26] <lord4163> steve_rox: well it shouldn't fail at the first place....
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[21:26] <steve_rox> but i think it may be possible that some SD's survive better than others during power cut
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[21:27] <steve_rox> wish i had a voltage sensor for the rpi
[21:27] <steve_rox> i have a current sensor but have found no tutorials on wireing it up to the rpi
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[21:28] <SpeedEvil> steve_rox: there is another thing you might consider - 'general knowledge'
[21:28] <steve_rox> i know i need a DAC chip
[21:29] <steve_rox> i dont feel confident risking killing the rpi
[21:30] <steve_rox> battery holding at 7.7v
[21:31] <IT_Sean> Adafruit sell an LCD voltage meter that's pretty cheap. You could buy several and visually monitor total pack voltage & individual cell voltage that way.
[21:31] <IT_Sean> It's small, too. Pretty nice. I've got one i've used in various projects.
[21:31] <steve_rox> i have a lcd meter on it at moment
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[21:32] <steve_rox> just would be nice to have the rpi to be able to monitor it
[21:32] <IT_Sean> Oh. I see.
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[21:34] <steve_rox> the meter is takeing a bit of power off the cells too as its not a seperate full meter
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[21:35] <steve_rox> if you get what i mean
[21:35] <IT_Sean> I do.
[21:35] <IT_Sean> It shouldn't use that much, tho.
[21:35] <steve_rox> yea :-)
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[21:35] <steve_rox> im running the rpi idle with its own composite lcd turned on
[21:36] <steve_rox> current uptime is 1.01
[21:36] <IT_Sean> 1 hour
[21:36] <steve_rox> yeah
[21:36] <IT_Sean> what's your total expected uptime?
[21:36] <steve_rox> im not sure
[21:36] <steve_rox> since i dont know the capasity of these cells
[21:37] <IT_Sean> I see.
[21:37] <causality> evening chaps, what's the quickest way to get a rpi booted up and displaying something on a display? (not the console)
[21:37] <ShorTie> for current sensing, the sensor has to be in the power line for whitch your sensing
[21:37] <steve_rox> i have the lables off the original lappy cells
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[21:38] <IT_Sean> causality: Write raspbian image to SD card. insert SD card. Plug HDMI lead into raspi and TV. Boot raspi.
[21:38] <causality> IT_Sean: sorry, i wasn't clear
[21:38] <causality> i didn't mean first usage.. :)
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[21:38] <steve_rox> 11.1v@4700mAh,11.1v@4400mAh
[21:39] <IT_Sean> 's still the quickest way to get it to display something.
[21:39] <steve_rox> im using 4 of each type
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[21:39] <causality> IT_Sean: is it possible to not display the console via hdmi, but something else instead?
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[21:40] <IT_Sean> Whelp... raspbian should boot to the GUI automatically. If it does not... type startx [enter]
[21:40] <causality> i dont want the console... or gui..
[21:40] <IT_Sean> what do you want?
[21:40] <causality> i need to output something custom, as fast as possible from power on
[21:41] <IT_Sean> you will need to write a script or program to do it, then, and set that to start automatically at boot.
[21:41] <causality> i don't think we're on the same page, no worries
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[21:44] <pksato> http://www.edv-huber.com/index.php/problemloesungen/15-custom-splash-screen-for-raspberry-pi-raspbian
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[21:45] <causality> pksato: not quite what i was thinking of, but it may hide the issue
[21:45] <causality> ta
[21:45] <Jusii> how about you then tell what exactly you're looking for?
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[21:46] <pksato> or a movie http://blog.sheasilverman.com/2013/09/adding-a-startup-movie-to-your-raspberry-pi/
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[22:02] <causality> Jusii: i guess the question is what the earliest point is during boot that you can execute code and display some custom output, other than the boot sequence, console or a gui
[22:02] <Numline1> Hi again guys, I have yet another Rpi question :) My Moteino just arrived and now I'm looking for antenna
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[22:03] <Numline1> It should support GSM range and I only need to solder an antenna there, but I was wondering, is there something specific I have to look for in antennas?
[22:03] <steve_rox> whats a moteino
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[22:03] <Numline1> steve_rox, it's sort of a microcontroller, I'm looking to use it as wireless garage opener
[22:03] <Numline1> steve_rox, here's more: http://lowpowerlab.com/moteino/#specs
[22:03] <steve_rox> ahh :-)
[22:04] <Numline1> but anyhow, if I order some random GSM antenna, will it work? :)
[22:04] <ShorTie> it's a arduino clone
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[22:05] <Numline1> possibly, yes
[22:05] <Encrypt> Hello there o/
[22:06] <Numline1> o/
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[22:09] <Jusii> causality: make your own initramfs then it's pretty 'instant'
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[22:11] <Jusii> causality: i think this prevents most of the kernel output so put it early on your initramfs: echo '1 4 1 7' > /proc/sys/kernel/printk
[22:11] <pksato> causality: or https://alioth.debian.org/projects/splashy/
[22:12] <Jusii> after that, you can display what ever you want
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[22:14] <Jusii> don't have any RPIs here, but I'd say it's around 2 seconds you get your own output on screen with your own initramfs
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[22:19] <tig|> this should be in a faq somewhere but is there a standard bulletproof tutorial for driving an arduio (leonardo) with a pi, just a quick up and running version will do
[22:20] <tig|> there are lots kicking around but was wondering if there was one that people had got working before I faff about :)
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[22:29] <dcj123> Hello everyone, I am compiling the xserver to be used with xwayland on the Raspberry Pi but I already have wayland running and can't start epiphany. Isn't epiphany native to wayland becuase its gnome 3?
[22:30] <dcj123> It gives a segmentation fault
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[22:31] <dcj123> I also tried 'GDK_BACKEND=wayland epiphany'
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[22:51] <steve_rox> rpi still going , pack reads 7.4
[22:52] <steve_rox> uptime 2.17
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[23:03] <tanuva> My Pi is now being powered by the hub that also powers several other devices. So one cable hub->Pi and one Pi->hub. I love this computer :D
[23:04] <steve_rox> yay
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[23:09] <dcj123> Okay so I hit a snag, I followed the instructions here and finally got the xserver to compile for xwayland but I still can't launch any X programs in wayland.
[23:09] <dcj123> Here - http://wayland.freedesktop.org/xserver.html
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[23:15] <hfp> Hey Triffid_Hunter
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[23:17] <hfp> So I've been reading more about the DHT22 humidity/temp sensor. It seems it is a digital sensor after all but with a custom 1wire protocol. They say the protocol is very time sensitive (aren't they all). How bad could it be with the RasPi? The other SPI/I2C sensors I found either cost 30+$ each in a through hole form factor or around 15$ for teeny tiny packages that require a reflow oven...
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[23:19] <steve_rox> think i have one them sensors right here
[23:20] <steve_rox> and it helps to quiry it once every 3 or 4 seconds
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[23:20] <steve_rox> or returns no result
[23:21] <mgottschlag> heh, that 1wire protocol really looks as if it would be difficult to implement with the pi
[23:22] <rikkib> I use a AM2302 and two passive components
[23:22] <rikkib> AM2302 is same as DHT22
[23:22] <mgottschlag> I'd probably hook an attiny between the sensor and the pi
[23:22] <rikkib> and wiringPi has the example code
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[23:23] <mgottschlag> yeah, I guess it works as long as CPU utilization is low enough
[23:23] <rikkib> waring Pi example = rht03.c
[23:24] <gordonDrogon> it works ok - not perfect, but usable.
[23:24] <mgottschlag> or when CPU utilization is too high, then timers can be used to detect that
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[23:24] <rikkib> I have combined that code and code I wrote for bmp85 pressure sensor
[23:24] <gordonDrogon> cpu utilisation ought to be very low - you're not supposed to read these more than once every 2 seconds.
[23:25] <rikkib> And it spits out this Thu May 29 09:23:13 2014 Temperature 14.3 C Pressure 1018 hPa AM2302 Temp: 13.6, RH: 67.5% Dew Point: 7.1
[23:27] <mgottschlag> gordonDrogon: no, what I meant was that other programs can interfere with the timing
[23:27] <rikkib> I thought your code for the rth03 ran every second
[23:27] <gordonDrogon> mgottschlag, oh sure. but they have a checksum, so you know when you ge a mis-read.
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[23:28] <gordonDrogon> rikkib, the demo program might call it once a second, but the maxdetect driver will just return the last value IIRC.
[23:28] <gordonDrogon> it's a piece of code that's on the "rework" list anyway.
[23:28] <rikkib> ah... Yes you jogged my memory
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[23:29] <rikkib> I still get bad reading every once in a while... Double the last good reading by the looks of it
[23:30] <rikkib> I have had to check and toss out anything not within a certain value
[23:31] <gordonDrogon> you shouldn't get a bad reading if the checksum is ok. maybe it's just not a good checksum algo...
[23:32] <rikkib> hard to say.... I have not done much checking of your code
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[23:32] <gordonDrogon> the current code (wiringPi 2.14) will return false from read RHT03 () on a checksum error.
[23:32] <rikkib> Maybe I need to upgrade
[23:32] <rikkib> Breakfast time
[23:33] <gordonDrogon> checksum is just a running parity check.
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[23:33] <gordonDrogon> so it could fail.
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[23:47] <rikkib> Mmmm porridge
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[23:59] * max__ is now known as Guest98019

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