#raspberrypi IRC Log

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IRC Log for 2014-06-09

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[0:04] <l_r> what s up
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[3:18] <horses_ftw> hello, i cant seem to get my dlink dw-130 to work on model a
[3:19] <horses_ftw> is it not compatible with raspbmc?
[3:19] * trickyhero (~trickyher@d4-50-67-5.try.wideopenwest.com) has joined #raspberrypi
[3:21] <horses_ftw> wlan0 is showing up though
[3:24] <Brod> what does lsusb say?
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[3:28] <horses_ftw> not sure, how can i get out of the dialog?
[3:28] <horses_ftw> ctrl c doesnt seem to stop it
[3:29] * [Saint] (7cc51487@rockbox/staff/saint) has joined #raspberrypi
[3:29] <[Saint]> 'ello
[3:30] * harish (harish@nat/redhat/x-wyxdwbvpnyqwnzgr) has joined #raspberrypi
[3:30] <[Saint]> How are we all on this cold and miserable day, pi-people?
[3:30] <horses_ftw> actually it is very hot today
[3:31] <horses_ftw> and having no luck getting dlink dwa-130 on my pi to work
[3:31] * [Saint] sobs
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[3:31] <[Saint]> Its 6C and raining here.
[3:31] <[Saint]> :/
[3:31] <[Saint]> Overnight low of -3C expected.
[3:32] <horses_ftw> + 18C here
[3:32] <[Saint]> "nuts to that", says I.
[3:32] <ShorTie> so that is 9 things to be happy about then
[3:32] <horses_ftw> tomorrow is rain, 24C
[3:32] <[Saint]> I could live with that.
[3:32] <[Saint]> Where is "here"?
[3:32] <horses_ftw> Toronto
[3:32] <[Saint]> For myself, here is Christchurch, NZ
[3:32] <horses_ftw> opposing seasons
[3:33] <ShorTie> |-3|+6=9
[3:33] <[Saint]> you guys will be just getting into Spring, yeah?
[3:33] <[Saint]> Or, finished Spring and into Summer?
[3:34] * [Saint] forgets how seasons work
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[3:34] <horses_ftw> already into summer, but raining like spring
[3:34] <horses_ftw> it's been a strange year
[3:35] <[Saint]> I think that is happening throughout the world.
[3:35] <[Saint]> We have spring bulbs trying to flower presently, a week into Winter.
[3:35] <[Saint]> And lambs being born.
[3:36] <[Saint]> (destined to freeze to death, 'cos, Winter)
[3:36] <[Saint]> The seasons have been all out of whack for years now...or, it seems that way.
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[4:09] <horses_ftw> is there a way to shut down the installer properly if it's not installing?
[4:10] <horses_ftw> i keep having to pull the plug resulting in corrupted sd card
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[4:43] <BetaSoul> ls
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[4:47] <[Saint]> horses_ftw: What is "the installer" you refer to?
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[4:52] <[Saint]> horses_ftw: ...?
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[5:06] <horses_ftw> [Saint]: any installer really
[5:06] <horses_ftw> idk im having all sorts of problems
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[5:07] <horses_ftw> wifi isnt working, external hard drive not getting mounted
[5:08] <[Saint]> "any installer" tells me exactly nothing.
[5:09] <horses_ftw> ok nvm that then
[5:09] <horses_ftw> im getting input output error when trying to connect to my wifi
[5:09] <horses_ftw> i dont think i can ssh either unless im connected to the internet
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[5:10] <horses_ftw> tried wih dlink dwa 130 and another dlink card
[5:10] <[Saint]> You needn't be connected to the Internet for ssh - assuming the device is on a local network accessible to you.
[5:11] <[Saint]> You can't magically connect to it without any network interface whatsoever, though.
[5:11] <[Saint]> (that shouldn't need saying, but perhaps it does)
[5:11] <horses_ftw> the card is detecting the networks
[5:12] <horses_ftw> just when i try to connect to it i get network input output error
[5:13] <[Saint]> Well, as I stated, you don't need to be connected to the Internet at all, local network access is sufficient.
[5:14] <Triffid_Hunter> horses_ftw: I/O error most likely means that the rpi isn't supplying it enough power, and it's browning out when it transmits
[5:14] <Triffid_Hunter> try an ethernet cable, and a stronger power supply
[5:14] <[Saint]> But, you can't do either without a connected network adapter, so you need to addres s that issue first.
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[5:14] <horses_ftw> Triffid_Hunter im using model a and i cant use ethernet
[5:14] <horses_ftw> also the usb hub is powered
[5:14] <[Saint]> And, yes, Triffid_Hunter is quite correct.
[5:15] <[Saint]> This reeks of an insufficient PSU.
[5:15] <horses_ftw> yes i do notice that it shutsdown randomly
[5:15] <horses_ftw> but i have them on separate power
[5:15] <horses_ftw> with an extension cord
[5:15] <[Saint]> You *can* use ethernet on a Model A, of course, you simply don't have the hardware to do so.
[5:16] <horses_ftw> but how can i get the wifi working then?
[5:16] <[Saint]> USB->Ethernet adapters are pretty cheap.
[5:16] <horses_ftw> my current setup is power plug -> extension cord -> pi, usb hub->wifi card and other stuff
[5:17] <horses_ftw> if i attach an external drive does it automount?
[5:17] <Triffid_Hunter> horses_ftw: wow, definitely ditch the extension cord
[5:18] <horses_ftw> but theres not enough plugs
[5:18] <horses_ftw> ethernet isnt much of an option because the router is in a different room
[5:18] <Triffid_Hunter> the RPi already has rather poor power routing, it needs all the help it can get
[5:19] <horses_ftw> so plug the cord into a different socket
[5:19] <horses_ftw> one socket with pi and tv
[5:19] <horses_ftw> another with cord and usb
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[5:19] <[Saint]> Some brief Googling (which, no offence, you likely could have done yourself) suggests that you are not going to get this working without a reasonable considerable investment of time on your end.
[5:20] <[Saint]> Certainly more effort than myself or others are likely willing to hand hold through.
[5:20] <horses_ftw> i understand
[5:21] <[Saint]> see: http://www.raspberrypi.org/forums/viewtopic.php?f=45&t=71525
[5:21] <[Saint]> (take the information with a grain of salt, as I can't confirm it to be true)
[5:22] <[Saint]> But I do know that a USb dongle that "Just Works" will only cost a few bucks, so its a time vs. cost vs. effort thing.
[5:22] <Poison[BLX]> the only non power based issue I know of that's similarly likely to cause that type of an I/O error might be firmware for the wifi device, fwiw. If it only fails intermittently, however, it's not firmware.
[5:23] <Poison[BLX]> (or, rather, lack of firmware)
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[5:25] <[Saint]> There seems to be some speculation that the driver requires an NDIS wrapper.
[5:25] <[Saint]> But - I dunno.
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[5:25] <[Saint]> Linux based drivers for this chipset certainly exist.
[5:25] <[Saint]> But I can't vouch for how well they work, or, don't.
[5:27] <horses_ftw> hmm apparently that setup didnt work either
[5:27] <horses_ftw> but it cant really be a driver issue because it is detecting the networks
[5:27] <horses_ftw> im still getting a network did not reply error
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[5:28] <[Saint]> That line of thinkign doesn't add up, unfortunately.
[5:28] <[Saint]> Though I can see how the conclusion was drawn.
[5:28] <horses_ftw> i've tried another wifi card and same result
[5:29] <[Saint]> The fact that it functions at least partially doesn't immediately disqualify it from being a firmware/driver issue.
[5:29] <horses_ftw> maybe
[5:29] <horses_ftw> i guess i have to stick to verified peripherals
[5:29] <[Saint]> And, there is a wide and varied range of possible chipsets that a USb WiFi dongle may use that don't have out-of-the-box Linux support.
[5:29] <[Saint]> So, that's kinda meaningless too, sadly.
[5:30] <horses_ftw> i just saw dwa-130 on http://elinux.org/RPi_USB_Wi-Fi_Adapters
[5:30] <horses_ftw> so maybe it's with the usb dongle
[5:31] <[Saint]> I'm pretty much betting that its because you don't have the necessary drivers.
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[5:31] <horses_ftw> would the device still show up without the drivers?
[5:31] <Poison[BLX]> horses_ftw: I've *often* seen scanning work fine but actually *transmitting* anything fail without proper firmware, so yeah.
[5:32] <horses_ftw> ok
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[5:32] <Poison[BLX]> sift through dmesg, you might have an error/failure noted in there at load-time for the driver about it.
[5:33] <horses_ftw> im still not sure how i can access ssh without internet
[5:33] <horses_ftw> kind of a stupid question
[5:33] <[Saint]> All the linux based drivers I have found for this so far are x86
[5:33] <[Saint]> ie, totally useless :)
[5:33] <Poison[BLX]> though if it is power-side, it's a bit harder to diagnose. Back-feeding from a non-compliant hub can cause things to be just as flaky as over-drawing power from the pi itself, power-side.
[5:33] <Poison[BLX]> internet != network overall.
[5:33] <horses_ftw> ive put pi and the usb hub on different plugs
[5:33] <horses_ftw> i doubt power is the issue anymore
[5:34] <[Saint]> Are you perhaps confusing "network" with "Internet"?
[5:34] <horses_ftw> maybe
[5:34] <Poison[BLX]> a crossover cable between two systems = network, but unless one of those is acting as a router for traffic for the other it doesn't give either access to the internet at large, but it would provide for ssh-ing between them.
[5:35] <[Saint]> You don't even need the corssover cable anymore these days.
[5:35] <[Saint]> That's a bit of a legacy requiremnt.
[5:35] <horses_ftw> i cant use ethernet
[5:36] <[Saint]> You can, you just haven't purchased the foolishly cheap hardware that would allow you to do so.
[5:36] <horses_ftw> no i mean location wise
[5:36] <horses_ftw> router is in a different room
[5:36] <[Saint]> They make some pretty long CAT cables, y'know. ;)
[5:36] <ParkerR> Not everybody can drill holes/rpoute cable
[5:36] <horses_ftw> that would be a last resort...
[5:37] <Poison[BLX]> [Saint]: true, but I find it more reliable with some of the random network chips I run into around work than expecting them to auto-detect that they're not attached to a switch. ;)
[5:37] <ParkerR> And just having a cable laying across multiple rooms is just no
[5:38] <horses_ftw> i was wondering if there was a way to mount the sd card and access the system through ssh locally
[5:38] <horses_ftw> on another computer
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[5:38] <Poison[BLX]> a very convoluted qemu setup would, but nothing trivial that I've seen.
[5:39] <horses_ftw> yes something like that
[5:40] <Poison[BLX]> horses_ftw: http://www.bentasker.co.uk/documentation/linux/267-testing-raspberry-pi-images-with-qemu
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[5:42] <[Saint]> I don't wish to offend, so please tell me to go soak my head if I do, but, if wireless dongle firmware/drivers present a technical challenge to an end user, pointing them at qemu is a recipe for suicide.
[5:43] <[Saint]> regarding the Internet vs. Network conversation, I'll try to explain it:
[5:44] <[Saint]> An active internet connection is only required to access ssh if you are attempting to do so from *outside* your home network.
[5:45] <[Saint]> If both machines have physical access to each other, be it wired or wireless, on the same network, ssh will work exactly as it is supposed to.
[5:47] <[Saint]> The only difference would be which IP you point ssh at.
[5:49] <[Saint]> If you have a USb cable you can butcher, you could easily rig up a serial cable and get low level access this way.
[5:49] <[Saint]> dammit - why do I keep typing USb? USB...dammit!
[5:50] <ParkerR> uSb
[5:50] <ParkerR> μSB
[5:51] <[Saint]> Youessbee.
[5:52] <ParkerR> μUSB I really need to make micro a keyboard shortcut
[5:52] <ParkerR> Just tot hrow peple off
[5:52] <ParkerR> *to throw
[5:52] <ParkerR> *people
[5:52] <[Saint]> AltGr+u, no?
[5:53] <[Saint]> (with an International US variant layout)
[5:53] <ParkerR> >assuming altgr :P
[5:53] <ParkerR> Alt 230
[5:53] <ParkerR> Except that doesnt work in linux... lol
[5:54] <[Saint]> Nope, no it does not. :)
[5:54] <[Saint]> But I recently learned that the only difference between right alt, and altgr is the International layour variant.
[5:55] <[Saint]> I switched from En-US to US International and heyooo - trivial composition of international characters.
[5:55] <[Saint]> s/layour/layout/
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[5:57] <[Saint]> Gah! I GoT'd too hard and caught up to the series in real-time and now I have to wait another 7 days for a new episode.
[5:57] <[Saint]> *sob*
[5:57] <AbbyTheRat> oops saint
[5:58] <[Saint]> I told myself I wouldn't watch it - but I got sucked in.
[5:58] <[Saint]> I caught up to the current series episode in 3 days of marathon GoT watching.
[5:58] <[Saint]> (and it was glorious)
[5:59] <[Saint]> I'm quite impressed that I managed to avoid any spolers.
[5:59] <[Saint]> *spoilers, even.
[6:00] <ParkerR> Ive never got into it
[6:00] <AbbyTheRat> I haven't either
[6:01] <[Saint]> I highly suggest it.
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[6:01] <[Saint]> But, don't try picking it up mid-series.
[6:01] <AbbyTheRat> it never been my sort of thing anyway
[6:01] <[Saint]> Nor mine.
[6:02] <[Saint]> It has many desireable aspects I assumed wouldn;t be present.
[6:03] <ParkerR> Tits, right?
[6:03] * ParkerR runs
[6:03] <horses_ftw> thanks for all the advices, imma try this agian tomorrow
[6:03] <AbbyTheRat> I don't think that's allowed in raspberry XD
[6:04] <[Saint]> Surely he means the bird. ;)
[6:04] <[Saint]> Its the only possible explanation. :P
[6:04] <AbbyTheRat> the blue tits
[6:04] <AbbyTheRat> the great tits
[6:04] <AbbyTheRat> and the blue footed boobies
[6:04] <ParkerR> :D
[6:04] <AbbyTheRat> Those blue foots looks awesome, I like them
[6:05] <AbbyTheRat> then there's the male chicken..
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[6:05] <AbbyTheRat> and the female dogs.. and the twats (female goldfish).. why do people pick such stupid exisiting names for slurs
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[6:06] <[Saint]> There's also the Great Shag.
[6:07] <AbbyTheRat> mhm, but I think it be wise to move away from talking about so no-one accidently go too far
[6:07] <Poison[BLX]> heh, yeah, GoT. The endings of some episodes are just... cruel. Last weeks, for instance. The waiting is the worst. As for odd (mis)-usage of terms like those, I suspect they started out being underhanded, wink and nod, references to their slur-side meanings while giving the excuse of their original meanings, and the slur took over in general usage while the original lost favor.
[6:09] <[Saint]> I was all like "Just get to the fight....why won't you get to the fiiiiiiiiiiiiiiight.....fiiiiiiiight?"
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[6:10] <[Saint]> There was a hilarious tongue in cheek reference to the suspense given to the audience by Mr. Dinklage himself in that episode.
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[6:10] <[Saint]> Stating that he was "sick of all the waiting"
[6:12] <[Saint]> And then I was all like "Woo! Fight! Awesome - hay, wait..what? But....well, oh dear, that was unexpected"
[6:13] <AbbyTheRat> [Saint]: did you see the video?
[6:13] <[Saint]> ETOOVAGUE
[6:13] <[Saint]> Which one, exactly?
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[9:15] <[Saint]> This may be a tad dense of me, but, I shall ask it anyway.
[9:16] <[Saint]> If /dev/sda8 is being mounted at boot time, but isn't present in /etc/fstab - where on earth should I be looking for the magic that is mounting it?
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[9:23] <Triffid_Hunter> [Saint]: is that root? if so, it'll be mounted by kernel cmdline options, see cat /proc/cmdline. if not, then some daemon or handler is doing it. check /etc/udev/rules.d
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[9:24] <[Saint]> Triffid_Hunter: root is handled by fstab - and, no, its an arbitrary development partition.
[9:25] <[Saint]> see: http://pastebin.com/gM7EgNQJ
[9:26] <Triffid_Hunter> [Saint]: no, root cannot be handled by fstab, because /etc/fstab is *on* the rootfs :P
[9:26] <[Saint]> _something_ is automounting it, as root, and locking me out.
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[9:26] <Triffid_Hunter> [Saint]: then you have some daemon or handler automounting it
[9:27] <[Saint]> If root can't be handled by fstab - then...why is it clearly...errr, doign so?
[9:27] <[Saint]> see pastebin
[9:27] <Triffid_Hunter> [Saint]: typically, root gets re-mounted using fstab options during system startup
[9:28] <[Saint]> So the preceding statement was somewhat of a non-truth.
[9:29] <Triffid_Hunter> [Saint]: it's a useful distinction since some options don't work on remount
[9:30] <[Saint]> Right. I guess I just took it too literally (though, I'm honestly not sure how open to interpretation it was)
[9:31] <[Saint]> I guess I'll just modify fstab and hope that it takes precedence.
[9:32] <[Saint]> Cross my fingers that whatever apparently ungreppable daemon is automounting this partition as root leaves it alone if fstab gets to it first.
[9:32] <Triffid_Hunter> unlikely, fstab is simply a text file
[9:33] <[Saint]> ...WHICH GETS CALLED *VERY* EARLY.
[9:33] <[Saint]> eek, sorry caps.,
[9:33] <Triffid_Hunter> fstab is read by 'mount' command. mount -a happens at some point during boot, whereby it goes through and mounts everything it can which doesn't have noauto flag
[9:34] <[Saint]> Huzzah - just as I thought.
[9:34] <Triffid_Hunter> but yours doesn't seem to mention an sda8 although you haven't put /dev/disk/by-uuid/ in your paste so can't be 100%
[9:34] <[Saint]> I like being right and not understanding why.
[9:35] <Triffid_Hunter> your fstab only lists / (root), /boot, /home and swap
[9:35] <Triffid_Hunter> mount will NOT automount anything not listed. if your FS in question is not root, home or boot then something else is doing it
[9:36] <Triffid_Hunter> also, mount does NOT respond to hotplug, so if it's being mounted on hotplug then you definitely have a daemon or handler doing it
[9:36] <[Saint]> http://pastebin.com/index/gM7EgNQJ
[9:36] <[Saint]> Anyhoo - added sda8 to fstab (not included in above paste, 'cos, lazy), and..as I suspected, whatever was mounting it is leaving it alone now.
[9:37] <[Saint]> Assumedly because fstab gets to it first.
[9:37] <Triffid_Hunter> more likely because the handler ignores things listed in fstab :P
[9:37] <Triffid_Hunter> fstab can't "get to it first" because fstab is just a text file ;)
[9:37] <[Saint]> You and your logic...pfffffffft!
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[9:38] <Triffid_Hunter> not only that, fstab is just a text file that's typically only read by the "mount" command, and mount doesn't organise itself to get invoked on hotplug events
[9:38] <Triffid_Hunter> it definitely sounds like you have some sort of automounter, but it's at least intelligent enough to also read fstab and ignore things listed there
[9:38] <[Saint]> Right. Its somewhat non-obvious when you don't have an inside pass to the depths of my mind, but when I say "fstab gets to it first", I am indeed meaning mount, in a roundabout way.
[9:39] <[Saint]> Its just an absolutely stock standard Ubuntu 14.04 install
[9:39] <[Saint]> Not a single additional package added yet.
[9:39] <Triffid_Hunter> [Saint]: stock standard ubuntu is chock full of "helpful" things that drive many folks nuts
[9:39] <[Saint]> This is the first time I have encountered this.
[9:40] <[Saint]> I'm /guessing/ I should be blaming systemd
[9:40] <Triffid_Hunter> last time I used ubuntu, within a week of install it was silently blowing system libraries away during boot, I had to copy them back and restart half the system, every. single. boot. :/
[9:40] <[Saint]> (may as well jump on the blame systemd for everything bandwagon)
[9:40] <Triffid_Hunter> [Saint]: no, blame ubuntu. it's one of a very small group of completely retarded OSes that think default-enabled silent automounting is a good idea
[9:41] <[Saint]> Sadly, Ms. [Saint] won't tolerate Arch/LXDE
[9:41] <[Saint]> So the machines she touches need to be running Ubuntu.
[9:41] <[Saint]> (getting her off Windows 8 was a HUGE debacle)
[9:42] <[Saint]> "My Systems" all run various purpose built Arch images.
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[9:42] <[Saint]> But anything she needs to interact with needs to be a bit more...errr...how should I put it, idiot proof.
[9:43] <[Saint]> We've come a LONG way from the initial "Nope, I hate it! The Min/Max/Close toggles are on the wrong side, gimme Windows 8 back!"
[9:44] <[Saint]> "...but, errr..Hun, I can change which side they're on...."
[9:44] <[Saint]> "Nup! HATE IT! HATE HATE JHATE!"
[9:45] <[Saint]> I bashed my head against that wall for a good year or so.
[9:46] <[Saint]> Also: "Where's the start menu?"; "Ahhh, there isn't one...but the dockbar is pretty much the same thi..."; "Nope! Hate it!"
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[10:00] <[Saint]> Gah.
[10:00] <[Saint]> #ubuntu is a bit of a joke
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[10:30] <Triffid_Hunter> [Saint]: that's what kde is for, can make that look like anything :P
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[10:32] <[Saint]> CCSM ftw.
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[10:38] <gordonDrogon> Did someone say something about the Raspberry Pi there? Must have missed it ...
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[10:59] <dastaan> Hello, I have a question. I have a touch screen controller (TSC2003) connected on my i2c bus. From where do i get its driver ? I tried modprobing and it failed. Any help will be appreciated.
[10:59] <causality> what's the plan, gordonDrogon
[10:59] <causality> for this wonderful monday
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[11:01] <newguise1234> I would assume so, because from what I've read they are on the same controller, but do the large usb ports have otg capabilities as well?
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[11:06] <[Saint]> GAH!
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[11:06] <[Saint]> What! What is mounting you, little partition!?!
[11:06] <[Saint]> And, why?
[11:06] * [Saint] sobs
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[11:24] <gordonDrogon> causality, todays plan is to update the manual for RTB.
[11:25] <causality> what's RTB?
[11:26] <[Saint]> Return To BASIC
[11:26] <[Saint]> gordonDrogon's wee lovechild.
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[11:35] <gordonDrogon> Return to Basics <- renamed :-)
[11:36] <gordonDrogon> one of my many lovechilds ...
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[11:38] <[Saint]> gordonDrogon: My mistake - duly noted.
[11:38] <[Saint]> The new name is a lot "cleaner", btw.
[11:38] <[Saint]> It is what I thought the project was called initially.
[11:39] <[Saint]> Subtle change, yet it makes it grammatically correct - which pleases me.
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[11:50] <gordonDrogon> well... it's a BASIC Interpreter, and my original name: Return to BASIC was a sort of pun - returning/revisiting olde fashioed BASIC, but with a modern approach.
[11:50] <gordonDrogon> I've decided that the word BASIC has too many negatives now, so dropping it from the title.
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[11:58] <causality> i think the first BASIC i used was on the BBC
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[12:03] <gordonDrogon> Yup. the Ye olde BBC Micro - and BBC BASIC.
[12:03] <gordonDrogon> I started on something a little older - an HP desktop "mini" computer then the Apple II.
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[12:29] <causality> was the apple II much older?
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[12:29] <causality> i thought it was of a similar age
[12:29] <gordonDrogon> 78
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[12:29] <gordonDrogon> BBC micro was 82
[12:30] <causality> aha
[12:30] <causality> yes, i was born in 78
[12:31] <causality> using VCR' in 81, but computers were a few years later :-)
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[12:43] <gordonDrogon> you're somewhat younger than me :)
[12:44] <biberao> yo
[12:46] <gordonDrogon> yo
[12:46] <gordonDrogon> up and down ...
[12:47] <biberao> bought the sd card slot
[12:47] <biberao> waiting for it to arrive
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[13:05] <gordonDrogon> think I'll order a laser cutter. anyone here got one?
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[13:10] <shiftplusone> the cheap one you linked a while back?
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[13:15] <biberao> gordonDrogon: send one to me
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[13:37] <gordonDrogon> shiftplusone, yes.
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[13:38] <gordonDrogon> well FSVO "cheap" ...
[13:38] <gordonDrogon> the supplied s/w only runs under Win XP.
[13:38] <gordonDrogon> They want a grand more for updated software.
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[13:39] <gordonDrogon> My options would be to generaed dxf files elsewhere (easy under Linux, I'm told) and just use my old XP laptop to control it), or build a new controller board for it.
[13:39] <gordonDrogon> or reverse engineer the existing usb connection.
[13:39] <gordonDrogon> or all of the above.
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[13:47] <Shardvexz> Would trying gentoo make me age faster?
[13:48] <shiftplusone> Shardvexz, on the pi or in general?
[13:48] <Shardvexz> on the pi
[13:49] <shiftplusone> Do you want to compile stuff or actually use the pi?
[13:50] <Shardvexz> I want to learn
[13:50] <Shardvexz> As long as it doesnt involve screaming
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[13:50] <shiftplusone> Better do it on the PC or in a VM.
[13:50] <cm13g09> has anyone tried accessing web pages requiring basic authentication from a RasPi and had it working? I'm using Chromium... and it just goes straight to 401...
[13:51] <shiftplusone> Shardvexz, Gentoo is fantastic for learning and makes a great distro once you're comfortable with it (if you like flexibility and don't mind constantly fiddling with it). But on the pi, it doesn't make sense.
[13:51] <Shardvexz> Well, I like arch
[13:51] <Shardvexz> but people have told me that gentoo is just insane
[13:52] <Shardvexz> I'd like to learn more about compiling and stuff though
[13:52] <Shardvexz> yeah, ok
[13:54] <shiftplusone> Nuh, gentoo is not insane.
[13:54] <shiftplusone> If you want insane, take a look at Linux From Scratch.
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[13:57] <cm13g09> not a RasPi issue
[13:57] <Shardvexz> wow
[13:58] <Shardvexz> Does linux from scratch work with the pi, is there an armhf port?
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[14:01] <shiftplusone> Shardvexz, look up pilfs
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[14:02] <shiftplusone> Careful, if you start, you might find that your hair has started falling out and you don't remember the past month.
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[14:04] <Shardvexz> lol
[14:04] <Shardvexz> Sounds fun.
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[14:26] <ytrezq> Hello, His there a raspberry with a built-in ADSL card so I can plug it directly to my phone line?
[14:26] <chris_99> you could get a USB ADSL modem ytrezq
[14:26] <chris_99> or just buy a router with an ADSL modem built in
[14:27] <chris_99> which probably makes more sense
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[14:29] <ytrezq> chris_99: In that case, I think I will keep my mips linux based box wich have 8Mb of RAM. I was just interested by the rasperry pi if I can get a more powefull SoC with more RAM...
[14:29] <ytrezq> too bad :(
[14:29] <ytrezq> that's too bad :(
[14:29] <chris_99> alas :(
[14:33] <ytrezq> I can't even run samba on it (too much ram)...
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[14:37] * ytrezq On top of that, the bootloader is proprietary and the kernel binary is hard-coded in it. They also use kernel objects (which control network cards and the DTMF convertor) for wich they don't provide the source code. So I'm also stuck with a very old 2.6 without ext3 and ext4 support.... :(
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[14:44] <ytrezq> So each time it reboot, I need to rebuild the firmware (ext2)
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[14:57] <gordonDrogon> ytrezq, many people run samba on their Pi's.
[14:58] <gordonDrogon> ytrezq, there is nothing proprietart on the Linux side - it's all 100% open source.
[14:58] <gordonDrogon> ytrezq, the current kernel is 3.10 and it has supported ext4 since day 1.
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[15:00] <ytrezq> gordonDrogon: I was talking of my current broadcom SoC... not the rasbperry pi
[15:01] <ytrezq> where you can't installl things like grub or lilo on it... So you have to use the closed source one...
[15:01] <gordonDrogon> ytrezq, right. but you're very first question here mentioned raspberry and this is #raspberrypi - so it was easy for me to assume you were talking about the Rasoberry Pi.
[15:01] <ytrezq> gordonDrogon: Sorry
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[15:03] <gordonDrogon> one way to view the GPU and it's binary blob is to consider it just like a normal PC's BIIOS - which is also (mostly) closed source... It may not be a perfect way to view it, but for the most part it's ok.
[15:03] <gordonDrogon> (on the Pi that is)
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[15:12] <Helldesk> it's not it's - it's its
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[15:20] <ytrezq> gordonDrogon: No There's no BIOS on it... The bootloader created by broadcom is the first thing which is launched
[15:20] <gordonDrogon> ytrezq, yes, I know exactly how the Pi boots - I was just providing an analogy.
[15:21] * ytrezq rasperry has nothing in common with broadcom
[15:23] <mgottschlag> ytrezq: you mean, except that it was founded by broadcom personnel, and uses a broadcom chip? :)
[15:24] <ytrezq> mgottschlag: sorry, I was wrong... I was also still talking about the BRCM6358
[15:24] <RaTTuS|BIG> this channel is raspberrypi for raspberrypi and not anything else - if you weant to talk about something else can you go elsewhere [thank you]
[15:25] <mgottschlag> RaTTuS|BIG: wtf? This channel, like most other IRC channels, is already 50% offtopic
[15:25] <mgottschlag> and that is totally okay
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[15:26] <RaTTuS|BIG> that is fine - just lettinhg you know - we try and keep this to RPI stuff ...
[15:26] <RaTTuS|BIG> but some OT stuff is fine
[15:26] <RaTTuS|BIG> now lets play nice folks
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[15:30] <mgottschlag> given that the conversation clearly was related to rpi in the beginning, this was unnecessarily hostile
[15:30] <Encrypt> Do you know the price of the compute module? :þ
[15:31] <mgottschlag> is the module already available in single unit quantities?
[15:31] <shiftplusone> I've only seen the kit available so far.... about 10 minutes ago.
[15:31] <shiftplusone> http://uk.rs-online.com/web/p/processor-microcontroller-development-kits/8134164/
[15:32] <shiftplusone> and that's just on backorder
[15:32] <Encrypt> £142.20 \o/
[15:32] <Encrypt> :D
[15:33] <Encrypt> That's expensive...
[15:33] <shiftplusone> for a thing you only buy once and use as a reference to develop the actual board you'll be using, it's not bad.
[15:33] <Encrypt> Yes, sure...
[15:34] <shiftplusone> (I wouldn't even consider buying it at that price though)
[15:35] <mgottschlag> where I see the pi compute module is totally for embedded system companies, not for the individuals and their hobby projects, there simply isn't any reason to choose the pi compute module in that case
[15:35] <mgottschlag> originally, I thought the price was a reason, but there are cheaper development kits for other CPUs out there :)
[15:36] <mgottschlag> and I think the price is what would make companies use the rpi compute module, because ultimately it will be the cheapest industrial module out there
[15:36] <shiftplusone> I don't understand it either, but I'm sure they've done their research and have a few clients lined up for some very large orders.
[15:36] <mgottschlag> yeah
[15:36] <Encrypt> I personally see the compute module in a marvelous cluster "motherboard" \o/
[15:37] <mgottschlag> Encrypt: there is no way to build a proper interconnect between modules in a cluster
[15:37] <mgottschlag> USB2 just isn't enough
[15:37] <shiftplusone> Encrypt, but it would be cheaper to buy a regular computer... and it would be faster.... and use less energy.
[15:37] <mgottschlag> ... and that
[15:37] <Encrypt> shiftplusone, I'm not sure...
[15:38] <Encrypt> Cheaper maybe...
[15:38] <mgottschlag> btw, have you guys seen this project? https://www.indiegogo.com/projects/vocore-a-coin-sized-linux-computer-with-wifi#home
[15:38] <Encrypt> But I'm not sue it would use less energy
[15:38] <Encrypt> Considering that a Pi consumes 3W
[15:38] <Encrypt> 3*8 = 24W
[15:39] <Encrypt> mgottschlag, Yes, I have already seen this one :)
[15:39] <shiftplusone> you can knock the power consumption down. a lot of the waste right now is due to the LDO and ethernet chip, which won't be a problem on the computer module
[15:39] <Encrypt> mgottschlag, But what will be great will be Intel's Edison
[15:39] <Encrypt> shiftplusone, Talking about that...
[15:40] <Encrypt> If I made a cluster, I'd surely connet the Compute modules
[15:40] <Encrypt> What is the best solution?
[15:40] <shiftplusone> but again, 8 pis in a cluster are pretty useless when compared to a regular computer.
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[15:40] <Encrypt> Using USB to ethernet chips and then add an ethernet switch
[15:40] <Encrypt> Or Connect all of them on a USB Hub chip?
[15:41] <Encrypt> shiftplusone, (That wilkl be my next year school project btw)
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[15:41] <shiftplusone> best of luck with it
[15:41] <Encrypt> I think that connecting all the compute modules to the hub will have horrible performances...
[15:41] <Encrypt> Since all the data will be replicated on each port
[15:42] <Encrypt> However, we'll first use regular Pis
[15:42] <mgottschlag> argh, I am trying to find flops-per-watt numbers for current desktop/laptop CPUs, but I am totally unable to find any
[15:42] <shiftplusone> mgottschlag, make them up such that they support the argument you want to make. simple
[15:43] <hfp> Hey, I am working on a temperature/RH monitor based on a RasPi. I'll probably go with Raspian. The device will be at my dad's who isn't Linux savvy. How should I handle the system updates? The device will server the data over a Rails based webapp so it will be web facing. Should I just add a cron everyday for something like `apt-get update && apt-get dist-upgrade -y`?
[15:43] <mgottschlag> the only numbers I can find are about 3 GFLOPs per watt for current supercomputers
[15:43] <mgottschlag> the pi is capable of 24GFLOPS at 3W
[15:43] <shiftplusone> hfp, that would work if some packages didn't have an interactive configuration step, requiring user input. But it's doable.
[15:44] <mgottschlag> but that does not include the power supply and the interconnect, so I don't think the difference would be that large
[15:44] <shiftplusone> hfp, there's a package which takes care of the 'update' step.
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[15:44] <shiftplusone> for the upgrade, you'd want something that's a little hacked up.
[15:44] <shiftplusone> Jusii, ping?
[15:44] <hfp> shiftplusone: The package also takes care of interactive updates?
[15:44] <shiftplusone> it does not
[15:45] <hfp> shiftplusone: Or maybe I should go with a distro that is auto updated, kind of like OpenElec does for xbmc?
[15:46] <shiftplusone> I'd wait for Jusii to chime in, since he actually deals with this.
[15:46] <mgottschlag> Encrypt: anyways, if you build a cluster, you need to have a specific set of applications in mind
[15:46] <shiftplusone> he gave me a command to force non-interactive upgrades. It was ugly, but it worked.
[15:46] <mgottschlag> and you have to make sure that your applications are not limited by the network
[15:47] <hfp> shiftplusone: I see. I'll check back later if Jusii is around
[15:47] <hfp> Thanks
[15:47] <Encrypt> mgottschlag, Ok :)
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[17:49] <Zbyshek> Hi guys, would be Wifi Dongle Tenda W522U - Dual Band suitable to build home AP?
[17:50] <Zbyshek> the main 2 questions are, 1, if it supports AP mode 2, how strong the signal is as I need it to be functional thru 2 floors :)
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[18:03] <BetaSoul> Has there been any new progress on getting waynard working over VNC?
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[18:10] <shiftplusone> plugwash, Hey, how come babeld is not in raspbian (but in debian wheezy armhf)? http://www.raspberrypi.org/forums/viewtopic.php?f=63&t=79115
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[18:19] <BetaSoul> @shiftplusone : could it have issues with the current kernel?
[18:21] * shiftplusone shrugs
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[18:23] <BetaSoul> Hey, I'm still waiting on them gettting waynard to ship.
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[18:27] <BetaSoul> see ya'll later people, weechat and deluge are causing a minor overheat.
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[18:27] <shiftplusone> O_o
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[18:35] <stephan48> i am using uboot to network boot a raspberry pi, what could cause it to pick a new mac upon each boot?
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[19:34] <gentoo> hi, i hate paypal because of its political actions, how do i get an mpg2 licence?
[19:35] <IT_Sean> (O_o)
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[19:54] <mgottschlag> apparently, IT_Seans response is rather representative for the channel :)
[19:54] <BetaSoul> What was the question?
[19:55] <x29a> how to get a mpg2 license without paypal
[19:55] <ShorTie> how to get a mpg2 license
[19:56] <BetaSoul> Response
[19:56] <BetaSoul> >?
[19:56] <mgottschlag> <IT_Sean> (O_o)
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[19:57] <BetaSoul> Ah, okay.
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[19:59] <IT_Sean> Whelp, does the pi store offer any other payment methods? or do they process everything via paypal?
[20:00] <mgottschlag> only paypal it seems
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[20:00] <BetaSoul> Makes a certain kind of sense.
[20:01] <BetaSoul> Also, any on know of a easy to use servo controller?
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[20:02] <IT_Sean> Guess you are gonna have to suck it up and use paypal then.
[20:02] <IT_Sean> gentoo ^
[20:03] <BetaSoul> The distro or the user?
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[20:08] <IT_Sean> the user
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[20:10] <BetaSoul> Hey, what's decent lower power use gtk engine for raspbian?
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[20:15] <ppq> BetaSoul, murrine. it is an optimized version of clearlooks
[20:16] <BetaSoul> murrine is really better? Did not know that. Already got it installed from the repos.
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[20:22] <shiftplusone> For what it's worth, the default set theme in the foundation's raspbian image has a note next to it saying "visibly better peformance" or something along those lines.
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[20:23] <BetaSoul> Really? I didn't see that on my most recent spin.
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[20:29] <gentoo> IT_Sean: thats crap.
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[20:29] <gentoo> will someb. ask to do the transfer for me
[20:29] <IT_Sean> Sorry you feel that way.
[20:30] <gentoo> another question: rasp+tvheadend+(timeshift with usb-storage), doable?
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[20:31] <shiftplusone> BetaSoul, sec.
[20:32] <shiftplusone> BetaSoul, this is what I am referring to... it wouldn't actually be visible in the image. https://github.com/asb/spindle/blob/master/wheezy-stage4-lxde#L110
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[20:49] <BetaSoul> shiftplusone, Hrm. I'll take a look. Honestly, I'm OC'ed, so the ui is rather snappy.
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[21:02] <h3k> Hi, I have set up latest raspbian and after last upgrade & boot the system halts on boot at "[ 3.212789] systemd[1]: Set hostname to <raspberrypi>.". Any ideas what could cause this?
[21:03] <h3k> Last rows during boot: http://pastebin.com/SRAWLApd
[21:03] <h3k> if I disabled systemd in cmdline.txt I was able to boot, so seems to be related to this
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[21:05] <shiftplusone> h3k, have you fiddled with rc.local, inittab or added any rc scripts (or whatever the systemd equivilent is)
[21:06] <h3k> shiftplusone: not that I can remember
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[21:07] <shiftplusone> h3k, maybe give #archlinux-arm a go.
[21:07] <shiftplusone> Do you have enough free space and is root rw?
[21:07] <BetaSoul> What's the issue? I've gotten some experence on Arch for raspi
[21:08] <h3k> I am using raspbian, not arch
[21:08] <BetaSoul> Then the issue?
[21:08] <h3k> shiftplusone: I am not sure it is supposed to be rw at this point during the boot yet
[21:08] <h3k> and it has enough space
[21:08] <h3k> BetaSoul: it hangs on boot with systemd: http://pastebin.com/SRAWLApd
[21:09] <shiftplusone> oh, systemd with raspbian, ey? O_o
[21:09] <h3k> yes, it was pretty quick and fun, until now :)
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[21:10] <shiftplusone> no idea how to troubleshoot it =/
[21:10] <BetaSoul> Hrm. Quick scan, I can suggest booting with nothing mounted but the hdmi port. See what happens. It could be a bad USB host.
[21:11] <shiftplusone> if you boot with systemd disabled, can you pull up journal logs and such from the failed boot or is it before any of that kicks in?
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[21:11] <h3k> BetaSoul: I don't have any USB devices, just serial + ethernet
[21:11] <h3k> running headless
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[21:12] <h3k> shiftplusone: I am afraid it does not have any logs written at that point yet
[21:12] <h3k> but I will look
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[21:12] <shiftplusone> can you paste the full output you get from serial?
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[21:13] <h3k> I will try
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[21:20] <h3k> shiftplusone: Here you go: http://pastebin.com/hB4tpBGc
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[21:20] <shiftplusone> ah, just as I suspected... I have no idea.
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[21:21] <BetaSoul> My just says bad host hten, because it appears to be deceting hub on startup that doens't fit on board.
[21:21] <BetaSoul> but I could be wrong. Still getting used to this hardware.
[21:22] <BetaSoul> spin another distro and see if it works.
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[21:25] <shiftplusone> h3k, some helpful-looking pages http://freedesktop.org/wiki/Software/systemd/Debugging/ https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/How_to_debug_Systemd_problems
[21:26] <h3k> shiftplusone: thanks, will try
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[21:28] <h3k> shiftplusone: weirdly enough, it is now alive after I enabled systemd debugging
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[21:28] <BetaSoul> Hrm.... that makes me think something in crashing on boot.
[21:29] <BetaSoul> And its going to leave you a nice and useful debug message.
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[21:31] <h3k> Only difference is, that it does not seem to be setting hostname any more, where it previously hanged
[21:31] <BetaSoul> what's your host config look like?
[21:32] <h3k> which file?
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[21:33] <h3k> It is not also skipping the IPv6 part
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[21:34] <h3k> I seem to be missing all "systemd[1]" rows, that were present in http://pastebin.com/hB4tpBGc
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[21:37] <BetaSoul> run cat /etc/hosts
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[21:38] <Jusii> hfp: you're on the right track, openelec has good and relatively simple method for updating. I've made something similar, tweaked for our purposes. but it's all there in one script
[21:39] <hfp> Jusii: The only problem with openelec is that you can't install other packages and I don't need xbmc at all :) What you made is a script for Raspian, is that correct? Sounds cool, do you have it somewhere?
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[21:40] <Jusii> hfp: yes correct, method is just similar than how openelec does it
[21:41] <Jusii> well I don't see problem showing it, I'd just have to remove some 'confidential' stuff from it.
[21:41] <h3k> BetaSoul: looks like "systemd.log_target=console" seems to be the key for me, as it appearantly hides some debug messages, which screw up the boot.
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[21:42] <Jusii> basically: raspbian in squashfs image and aufs mounted over it for RW. On FAT32 partition there's this squashfs image + kernel. Custom initramfs which is appended to the kernel does all the magic, updates if there's update available and if not, just switches to raspbian boot
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[21:44] <hfp> Jusii: How do you deal with interactive updates? How does your script know what to answer?
[21:44] <BetaSoul> h3k: AWesome.
[21:47] <Jusii> hfp: it always updates full squashfs image
[21:47] <Jusii> no packages are installed in the box
[21:48] <Jusii> if I need to add something, I will just make new squashfs image of the whole thing. it's downloaded and on next reboot it will replace the old image with the new one
[21:48] <Jusii> hfp: openelec script is here that does the magic https://github.com/OpenELEC/OpenELEC.tv/blob/master/packages/sysutils/busybox/scripts/init
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[21:48] <Jusii> hfp: check_update() function
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[22:10] <Jusii> hfp: Have to admit, that I've wanted almost for year to make a howto for this, but haven't had the time for it :/
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