#raspberrypi IRC Log


IRC Log for 2014-06-15

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[0:00] <bkboggy> Widea: Oh snaps, the icon is the context menu.
[0:00] <Widea> yes
[0:00] <bkboggy> brb, testing
[0:00] <ShadowJK> restart session
[0:00] <Widea> that's it
[0:01] <ShadowJK> uesrname,password
[0:01] <Widea> yes because the session has ended
[0:01] <bkboggy> bingo, it worked! Thanks fellas.
[0:02] <Widea> :-)
[0:04] <bkboggy> i want to do some automation using it... more specifically, i have two fish tanks in my divider/book case wall in the office that need to have lights turned off at around 8pm and on at around 6am, should i hack it together using those remotely controlled outlet things or relays?
[0:04] <gordonDrogon> bkboggy, there are some USB power sockets avalable.
[0:04] <gordonDrogon> bkboggy, safest option, if not the cheapest.
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[0:05] <gordonDrogon> bkboggy, usb power sockets as in - controllable on/off via simple commands sent via USB.
[0:05] <bkboggy> gordonDrogon: I was hoping to do it wirelessly.
[0:05] <bkboggy> Not a fan of cord clutter/
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[0:06] <bkboggy> and I already have a set of these: http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B0083I85HQ/ref=oh_details_o04_s01_i02?ie=UTF8&psc=1
[0:06] <bkboggy> little different then the one shown.. it's a set of those with one remote
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[0:07] <gordonDrogon> bkboggy, well - you might be able to wire something over the push button on those remote senders...
[0:08] <bkboggy> gordonDrogon: Were you referring to something like this? http://www.amazon.com/Belkin-3-Outlet-Charger-Protector-Charging/dp/B0015DYMVO/ref=sr_1_10?s=hi&ie=UTF8&qid=1402783660&sr=1-10&keywords=usb+socket
[0:08] <gordonDrogon> bkboggy, but is it one push to on, another push for off... how do you tell if it's on or off...
[0:08] <gordonDrogon> bkboggy, no - that's a charger.
[0:08] <bkboggy> could you give me a link of what you had in mind
[0:10] <gordonDrogon> http://www.amazon.co.uk/Aviosys-Power-8800-Remote-Switch/dp/B005ARBJAS
[0:10] <gordonDrogon> something like that - but I've seen some with 2-3 outlets that are separately switchable.
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[0:11] <bkboggy> hmm
[0:13] <bkboggy> opened up the remote
[0:13] <bkboggy> looks like it's just one push button
[0:14] <gordonDrogon> so you might not know if it's on or off ...
[0:14] <bkboggy> they made it look like two buttons
[0:14] <bkboggy> gordonDrogon: True
[0:14] <bkboggy> hmm, what would be a good way to modify it to tell me if it's on or off
[0:16] <bkboggy> good lord... the quality of these chinese parts
[0:16] <bkboggy> flux is all over the board
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[0:19] <gordonDrogon> yea, do you wally want to trust that? :)
[0:19] <gordonDrogon> if it's a light, you could use a photo cell/sensor/ldr thing?
[0:19] <bkboggy> it's fish light, not a huge deal
[0:19] <bkboggy> lol
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[0:20] <bkboggy> if you would see the soldering work on this thing, though... oh boy
[0:21] <bkboggy> very curious about the battery being used though, i didn't know these little things can be 23a 12v
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[0:23] <gordonDrogon> not a little coin cell?
[0:23] <bkboggy> no
[0:23] <bkboggy> it's small, not sure the type
[0:23] <gordonDrogon> I have some remote doorbell senders with coin cells in.
[0:23] <bkboggy> smaller than AAA
[0:23] <bkboggy> but 12V...
[0:23] <bkboggy> that's odd
[0:23] <bkboggy> 23a 12v that's 276w, unless i'm out of my mind
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[0:26] <bkboggy> hmm, i guess it's common for radio devices
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[0:26] <Encrypt> BTW, talking about coin cell gordonDrogon
[0:26] <Encrypt> Could it turn on and off a relay?
[0:27] <gordonDrogon> I doubt it. they're designed for mA max.
[0:27] <Encrypt> Ok
[0:27] <bkboggy> what if i replace my 5 buttons with 5 relays?
[0:27] <bkboggy> or is that nuts
[0:28] <Encrypt> gordonDrogon, Then, how do ou know which battery to choose?
[0:28] <gordonDrogon> this is 5 buttons switching mains power?
[0:28] <gordonDrogon> Encrypt, for what application?
[0:28] <Encrypt> I have to look at the power rating of the relay I imagine?
[0:28] <bkboggy> gordonDrogon: Well, the remote has 5 buttons, each controlling an outlet
[0:28] <gordonDrogon> Encrypt, ah, ok - to drive relays. yes. the smalest will work on about 25mA.
[0:29] <gordonDrogon> bkboggy, if you're confident wiring up to mains electrickery, then sure - wire relays over the switches.
[0:29] <Encrypt> Yes, to drive relay
[0:29] <gordonDrogon> bkboggy, there are many relay boards for the Pi now.
[0:29] <Encrypt> +s
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[0:29] <gordonDrogon> and if you want wireless - well - get 2 Pi's - one with Wi-Fi at the tank end, and the other to send commands to it via Wi-Fi :)
[0:29] <bkboggy> this one looks cool: http://www.amazon.com/Kootek-Channel-Module-Arduino-Raspberry/dp/B00C8O9KHA/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1402784970&sr=8-1&keywords=raspberry+pi+relay+board
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[0:30] <bkboggy> gordonDrogon: What do you mean by mains power?
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[0:30] <gordonDrogon> bkboggy, yea, be careful with thise in-sane un-smart boards - they use Raspberry Pi as a markeying point - check them and find they need 5v to run on.
[0:30] <gordonDrogon> bkboggy, mains - 230 volts where I am.
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[0:31] <bkboggy> hmm
[0:32] <bkboggy> easiest way, at least for now, would be to just let the pi figure out if it's on or off
[0:32] <bkboggy> since this is not a high priority system, i can rely on code, rather than mechanical options
[0:33] <gordonDrogon> http://skpang.co.uk/catalog/4ch-relay-board-kit-for-raspberry-pi-quick2wire-compatible-p-1200.html
[0:33] <gordonDrogon> designed to work with the Pi.
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[0:33] <bkboggy> how is this different from the other?
[0:35] <gordonDrogon> the issue I've seen with some relay boards is the opto-isolators - great idea, but they choose the resistor to work with 5v boards - like arduino. the Pi is a 3.3v board and lighting up that led might not work at 3.3v.
[0:35] <bkboggy> oh
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[0:35] <gordonDrogon> so look at that Amazon one you linked to - it says Pi, but it also says 5v ...
[0:36] <gordonDrogon> and the Pi is 3.3 ...
[0:36] <bkboggy> yeah
[0:36] <bkboggy> good point
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[0:55] <MrHacks> gordonDrogon: Are you still there? Yeah. ACPI as in THAT ACPI
[0:55] <MrHacks> I was away from my keyboard for a while
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[0:56] <gordonDrogon> MrHacks, yea - well, I guess it depends if the Pi actually has ACPI ...
[0:58] <MrHacks> So, if I have it hooked up to a Motorola Atrix lapdock, I can use ACPI to fetch information about the lapdock's battery statistics?
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[0:59] <gordonDrogon> MrHacks, not sure - I have one too and nothing special shows up in lsusb.
[1:00] <gordonDrogon> just push the little button on the front and wait for the on-screen message.
[1:00] <gordonDrogon> and the little power/charge LEd going red.
[1:00] <MrHacks> Are you a tmux user? If so, why not give this hack a try. http://aaronlasseigne.com/2012/10/15/battery-life-in-the-land-of-tmux/
[1:00] <gordonDrogon> I used mine to powere 2 Pis' today. it ran then for over 1.5 hours without an issues - batter leds were at 4.
[1:01] <gordonDrogon> don't use tmux.
[1:04] <gordonDrogon> I'll be somewhat surprisef if there is anything sensible at all in /proc/acpi
[1:04] <gordonDrogon> but booting up my lapdock now to check..
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[1:04] <gordonDrogon> indeed - no /proc/acpi at all.
[1:05] <MrHacks> do you have acpi installed?
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[1:08] <gordonDrogon> probably not.
[1:09] <gordonDrogon> but I don't think the Pi even supports it in the first place.
[1:10] <ShadowJK> acpi is an intel thing
[1:10] <ShadowJK> it's irrelevant on non-x86
[1:11] <gordonDrogon> so that answers that :)
[1:13] <MrHacks> Not necessarily. APM (Advanced Power Management) is Intel. ACPI is an open standard.
[1:13] <MrHacks> Also, why would raspbian have an armhf package of acpid in its repo?
[1:13] <ShadowJK> because it complies, doesn't rely on hw access, only reads stuff in /proc?
[1:15] <gordonDrogon> is the most likely reason...
[1:15] <ShadowJK> in theory you can have acpi anywhere, as acpi is a virtual machine code
[1:15] <ShadowJK> but exactly where from you would get that virtual code, etc, is somewhat unclear on non-x86 :)
[1:15] <ShadowJK> as is hw hotplug/autoconfig/discovery in general..
[1:16] <gordonDrogon> not sure if there's anything in the lapdog to talk bac kto the Pi anyway.
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[1:18] <ShadowJK> well, yes
[1:19] <ShadowJK> It would be a acpi code in the intended host device, which defines how to talk to the docking station
[1:19] <[Saint]> heh, lapdog.
[1:19] <[Saint]> Arf!
[1:19] <gordonDrogon> the volume controls don't seem to do anything on mine - brightness does work though.
[1:19] <gordonDrogon> I do get sound, but it's quiet.
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[1:22] * [Saint] should get around to selling his pile of lapdocks.
[1:22] <[Saint]> I have hoarded them for long enough, methinks.
[1:22] <MrHacks> acpi-support is a broken package but acpi-support-base installs without issue. The problem stems from acpi-support depending on acpi-fake-key which is not available for armhf
[1:22] <[Saint]> No man needs 11 Atrix lapdocks.
[1:22] <gordonDrogon> why did you get 11?
[1:23] <[Saint]> Pllice seizure auction.
[1:23] <[Saint]> *police
[1:23] <[Saint]> Paid $15 for them, iirc.
[1:23] <[Saint]> (total, not each)
[1:24] <gordonDrogon> ok
[1:24] <MrHacks> Start a hackerspace with the charter members getting a atrix lapdock if they bring a raspberry pi. ;-)
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[1:50] <Smrtz> So I'm getting a lot of conflicting results online. If I want to set up so my pi automaticly connects to a wifi network secured with WEP when it's in range, how would I do that best?
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[2:01] <SpeedEvil> Smrtz: just configure it as normal?
[2:02] <Smrtz> SpeedEvil, How would you recommend? Everything I'm reading online talks about Front End tools, and I'm trying to do this without ever having started x.
[2:03] <SpeedEvil> Actually - I dunno - I just set it up in slackware using the rc files.
[2:03] <SpeedEvil> Or you can do it with iwconfig for wep
[2:03] <Smrtz> Oh, you can?
[2:03] <SpeedEvil> You do know that WEP is comedically insecure?
[2:03] <Smrtz> It's not my network.
[2:03] <SpeedEvil> ah
[2:04] <Smrtz> haha, but yes, I know.
[2:04] <SpeedEvil> it' something like iwconfig encryption wep and then iwconfig key1 whatever and iwconfig use key1
[2:04] <SpeedEvil> (those are not the actual commands)
[2:04] <Smrtz> I'm looking it up now. Thanks for the help.
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[2:07] <SpeedEvil> you of course need to then seperately setup normal IP - DHCP or static IP
[2:07] <SpeedEvil> Also - why no x
[2:08] <Smrtz> Yeah, I can handle that.
[2:09] <Smrtz> and because I don't want to. I have no need for an environment, I only use my pi as an ssh box for projects and things...
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[4:19] <bkboggy> is there anything decent to be found in xbmc? seems like just bunch of useless stuff
[4:19] <bkboggy> no good videos
[4:19] <bkboggy> basic programs that can be found on my tv app itself
[4:19] <ltedcoai> for people who dont have smart tv's?
[4:19] <bkboggy> perhaps..
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[4:20] <ltedcoai> i dont have one, xbmc would be useful, except afaik theres no netflix
[4:21] <bkboggy> i got two rokus and both tvs are smart to begin with
[4:22] <bkboggy> hmm, maybe i'll try that automation thing again for my fish tanks... i wish tutorials out there would be more concrete... what happened to the good old days where 1. do this 2. do this 3. do this
[4:23] <bkboggy> woo... better yet, i always wanted to give writing os a go.. took Operating Systems/Computer Architecture and Assembly college classes.. hmm
[4:23] <bkboggy> if i fry my pie, oh well
[4:23] <bkboggy> pi*
[4:25] <ltedcoai> i have my pi at 1.2Ghz
[4:25] <ltedcoai> :D
[4:25] <bkboggy> eek
[4:25] <bkboggy> i'm a nancy, i kept mine at 700
[4:26] <bkboggy> i won't even dare to oc my desktop, which has a K chip... bastard is running at default 3.4 ;/
[4:27] <ltedcoai> lol my 4770k is at 4.7Ghz
[4:27] <ltedcoai> stock is 3.5 i think?
[4:27] <ltedcoai> maybe?
[4:27] <bkboggy> what do you use yours for?
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[4:27] <bkboggy> games?
[4:27] <ltedcoai> yep
[4:28] <bkboggy> yeah.. i do work on mine
[4:28] <bkboggy> can't risk it
[4:28] <ltedcoai> thats it, otherwise I just replaced it with the rpi for my server stuffs to save electricity
[4:28] <bkboggy> besides, not like .NET and WPF are tasking
[4:29] <bkboggy> really? I think I would blow my brains out if I had to do everday browsing on rpi
[4:29] <bkboggy> my note2 is faster
[4:29] <bkboggy> don't get me wrong, rpi is great... just not for someone who's used to speed
[4:29] <ltedcoai> I have a i5 ultrabook with mint 17
[4:29] <bkboggy> 15 retina running win7
[4:30] <ltedcoai> which is what i mainly use, the tower got shut off unless I need it to game or something cpu/video intensive
[4:30] <[Saint]> Wow..my retina just transfer images to my optic nerve.
[4:30] <[Saint]> Lucky bugger.
[4:30] <bkboggy> heh
[4:31] <bkboggy> dude, i can't believe i bought it either
[4:31] <bkboggy> i hate apple
[4:31] <ltedcoai> 2W with the RPI vs like 120W idle on the tower
[4:31] <bkboggy> but there was nothing else that suited my needs, Lenovo blew it with t440s
[4:31] <ltedcoai> I have a asus ux301 with 13" 2560x1440 hidpi
[4:31] <bkboggy> 13? i'm sorry
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[4:32] <ltedcoai> cinnamon 2.2 finally supports retina
[4:32] <bkboggy> i had a 13" asus, i couldn't bear it
[4:32] <[Saint]> Its not the size, its how you use it.
[4:32] <ltedcoai> 13 is great :) nice and light, easy to carry, tiny
[4:32] <bkboggy> [Saint]: has a point
[4:32] <bkboggy> i mostly do programming on my laptop
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[4:32] <bkboggy> so 13" was horrific for me
[4:33] <ltedcoai> With the 2560x1440 my 15" macbook pro feels small lol
[4:33] <[Saint]> Yeah, I often have hundreds of LOC up, so, its 2 24" for me.
[4:33] <bkboggy> ltedcoai: Really? my 15" feels good
[4:33] <bkboggy> i only use it in school and job sites though
[4:33] <bkboggy> at home i used two monitors
[4:35] <[Saint]> in my "office" I have 2x24" monitors and a 50" 4K cheapo TV that does split input display.
[4:35] <[Saint]> so, effectively 3, or 4, monitors, depending how you look at it.
[4:35] <bkboggy> hmm, mine are 23 inch
[4:35] <bkboggy> how does your resolution fair on the tv?
[4:36] <[Saint]> Hahahaha - what a n00b, I'm somehow better.
[4:36] <bkboggy> it felt a bit weird for me when i tried on our 55"
[4:36] <bkboggy> and it's a good one
[4:36] <[Saint]> </s>
[4:36] <bkboggy> sharp aqua
[4:36] <bkboggy> [Saint]: Hmm?
[4:36] <[Saint]> 23 vs. 24" sarcasm
[4:36] <bkboggy> k
[4:37] * bkboggy forgot to laugh
[4:37] <bkboggy> haha
[4:37] <bkboggy> there we go
[4:37] <[Saint]> I don't find the TV /too/ bad, but I'm a: not terribly far away from it, and b: rarely use it for fine point text viewing.
[4:38] <[Saint]> FOr everything else its fine, but microscopic text is totally unreadable without my glasses.
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[4:39] <bkboggy> k, thought it was just me
[4:40] <bkboggy> i'm not an expert in monitors and tvs... but it seems that monitors are of finer quality, hence why they are more expensive? correct me if i'm wrong
[4:40] <bkboggy> dpi ratios seem different
[4:40] <[Saint]> No, that's a fair statement to make.
[4:41] <[Saint]> Monitors age generally viewed from a distance of centimeters, whereas televisions are designed to be viewed from several meters.
[4:41] <bkboggy> Someone mentioned earlier that they wished netflix would be available: http://lifehacker.com/5768174/power-up-your-xbmc-installation-with-these-new-add-ons talks about adding it
[4:41] <[Saint]> s/age/are/
[4:41] <bkboggy> required a f ew addons
[4:42] <[Saint]> Getting netflix is <locale> is *foolishly* simple.
[4:42] <[Saint]> Its pretty much only a single step.
[4:42] <[Saint]> "convince Netflix your device is in a supported locale"
[4:42] <[Saint]> ...which is far too easy.
[4:42] <bkboggy> [19:20] <ltedcoai> i dont have one, xbmc would be useful, except afaik theres no netflix
[4:42] <bkboggy> there we go
[4:42] <bkboggy> found who wanted it
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[4:43] <bkboggy> anyways, nice talking to you, i'm going to go eat and then dive into assembly with pi, see if i can conjure up a shameful OS
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[4:44] <[Saint]> Many telcos offer a "world mode" DNS server that will trick Netflix for you without doing a single thing on your end.
[4:44] <[Saint]> s/Netflix/Netflix and pretty much every other geofenced serviuce/
[4:45] <[Saint]> My Telco claims to offer the service so that your visiting friends and relatives from other nations can still access the services they desire.
[4:45] <[Saint]> Hahahaha - yeah right, *that's* why you did it, sure...
[4:48] <crumb> how would netflix even accept payment from you if you're outside of their servicing region
[4:49] <[Saint]> Its easy to get a US (or US compatible) CC.
[4:50] <[Saint]> From memory, I think I just used my NZ CC - so I doubt they care that much?
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[5:00] <kylethebaker> I'm looking to ditch my raspbian install and get something with the bare minimum. On the fresh install I want ethernet, dhcp, sshd running at start, and then no additional packages that arn't neccesary. Is there a netinstaller for raspbian or a way to get an install with just ssh?
[5:00] <kylethebaker> I know there is arch, but I already have arch on a few machines and don't want the extra maintenance of updating the pi often
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[5:04] <[Saint]> kylethebaker: the query "raspbian netinst" would've uncovered exactly what you're looking for
[5:05] <[Saint]> https://github.com/debian-pi/raspbian-ua-netinst
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[5:11] <kylethebaker> [Saint]: okay, awesome. thanks. when I first got my pi I was looking for this and couldn't find anything that seemed stable, this looks perfect though
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[5:12] <[Saint]> you could always roll your own image, as well.
[5:12] <[Saint]> The Foundation just uses Spindle to roll images.
[5:12] <[Saint]> And, you can too.
[5:13] <kylethebaker> that might not be a bad idea
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[5:14] <kylethebaker> am I able to dd my flash drive to my computer once I have everything set up and use that as an image for restore purposes?
[5:14] <kylethebaker> by flash drive I mean sd card
[5:14] <[Saint]> Yes.
[5:15] <[Saint]> Just reverse the dd input and output destinations.
[5:15] <[Saint]> if and of, respectively.
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[5:16] <kylethebaker> cool, that will be good enough for me
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[7:49] <bkboggy> raspberry pi runs off 5 volts, right?
[7:51] <ltedcoai> yes
[7:54] <bkboggy> hmm, thought so.. someone here told me earlier that it's 3.7v... so this wouldn't be a good relay board for it: http://www.amazon.com/Kootek-Channel-Module-Arduino-Raspberry/dp/B00C8O9KHA/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1402811632&sr=8-1&keywords=raspberry+pi+relay+board because it ran on 5v
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[7:55] <bkboggy> maybe they were confusing it with the 3.3V on arduino... but that's odd, considering arduino supports 5v as well
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[8:06] <rikkib> Rpi is 3.3v logic
[8:06] <shiftplusone_uk> 'morning
[8:07] <rikkib> Some 5v relays are not good with RPi without a buffer
[8:07] <rikkib> Morning
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[8:08] <rikkib> http://www.zlham.geek.nz/images/news/rpi-relay-buffer.jpg
[8:09] <bkboggy> rikkib: What do you mean 3.3v logic? wiki said that gpio pins are 5v
[8:10] <rikkib> I do not know where you are reading that
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[8:10] <bkboggy> rikkib: I take that back. I misread it.
[8:10] <rikkib> The RPi GPIO pins are 3.3v logic with max sink/source current of 16mA
[8:11] <bkboggy> "The pins use a 3V3 logic level and are not tolerant of 5V levels, such as you might find on a 5V powered Arduino."
[8:11] <bkboggy> Hmm..
[8:11] <bkboggy> So, you mentioned a buffer, what do you mean by that?
[8:11] <rikkib> To get 16mA you need to change the defaults
[8:11] <rikkib> http://www.zlham.geek.nz/images/news/rpi-relay-buffer.jpg
[8:11] <bkboggy> I'm not EEE type
[8:12] <bkboggy> CS ;?
[8:12] <bkboggy> That's alien language to me (I will learn it though)
[8:12] <rikkib> To stop the circuits shown from shoving close to 5V on the gpio pins
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[8:15] <bkboggy> ehh, I'm going to have to do some reading on this, I'm not fully understanding...
[8:15] <rikkib> In other words to drive the common relays you see you need to build the npn buffer circuit at the bottom of my drawing
[8:16] <rikkib> 1 buffer per relay if you use multi relay boards
[8:17] <rikkib> http://www.zlham.geek.nz/images/news/rpi-sys1.jpg
[8:17] <bkboggy> what's npn
[8:17] <rikkib> npn transistor
[8:17] <rikkib> bipolar
[8:17] <rikkib> transistor
[8:19] <bkboggy> nice setup you got there
[8:19] <rikkib> Toys
[8:20] <bkboggy> since when did 3v3 convention instead of 3.3 became popular?
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[8:22] <rikkib> You mean the shift from 5 to 3.3?
[8:22] <rikkib> Mobile technology
[8:22] <rikkib> low power
[8:23] <bkboggy> nah i mean the way it's written
[8:23] <rikkib> I have MC9S08 toy
[8:23] <bkboggy> 3v3 instead of decimal
[8:23] <rikkib> it runs off 3.3v at 5Ma
[8:23] <rikkib> mA
[8:23] <rikkib> opps
[8:23] <rikkib> 5mA is very low power
[8:24] <bkboggy> i've no idea what mc9508 is
[8:24] <rikkib> 8 bit Freescale miscro
[8:24] <rikkib> a to d
[8:24] <rikkib> i2c
[8:24] <rikkib> spi
[8:24] <rikkib> timers
[8:24] <rikkib> serial
[8:24] <bkboggy> so, it's a microcontroller?
[8:24] <rikkib> all in a 16 pin package
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[8:25] <rikkib> yes
[8:25] <bkboggy> i only have good ol' NE555P's
[8:25] <bkboggy> about 100 of em
[8:25] <rikkib> also play with stm32v which is similar processor to the RPi ARM Cortex
[8:26] <rikkib> flash 100 leds
[8:26] <bkboggy> yep
[8:26] <bkboggy> wish i had more time in the day
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[8:26] <bkboggy> to learn electric engineering
[8:27] <bkboggy> trying to learn as much as i can from youtube
[8:27] <bkboggy> but... it's feels like nothing
[8:27] <rikkib> Time to make dinner... 18:26 NZST
[8:27] <bkboggy> 11:27 Pacific
[8:27] <rikkib> I started at 12
[8:27] <rikkib> Now 54
[8:27] <bkboggy> err rather 23:27
[8:28] <bkboggy> anyways, good chatting with you, have a good dinner
[8:28] <rikkib> cheers
[8:28] <bkboggy> cheers
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[8:33] * [Saint] can think of very few youtube channels that would offer any content of substance, and use, to those wishing to learn such a field.
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[8:33] <[Saint]> I can, however, think of a myriad of ways doing so could turn around and bite you in the bum.
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[8:37] <shiftplusone_uk> you can't learn from youtube alone
[8:38] <shiftplusone_uk> google allaboutcircuits
[8:38] <[Saint]> And the things you do learn...well, its YouTube, people, c'mon!
[8:38] <shiftplusone_uk> idn, I've learned hell of a lot from eevblog and such
[8:39] <[Saint]> Oh, sure, its possible. But percentage wise...terribly unlikely.
[8:39] <[Saint]> And absolutely crap all of it is intended for beginners.
[8:39] <shiftplusone_uk> have to find the right channels
[8:40] <shiftplusone_uk> afrotechmods covers beginner stuff, for example.
[8:40] <shiftplusone_uk> but there's not much content
[8:41] <[Saint]> Do any of them produce or link to reference content, or provide exercises for the user?
[8:41] <[Saint]> (I genuinely don't know, because the quality of a lot of stuff in this field is a massive turnoff)
[8:41] <shiftplusone_uk> I haven't come across anything like that
[8:41] <shiftplusone_uk> (which is why I threw allaboutcircuits out there)
[8:42] * [Saint] just noticed the *_uk
[8:43] <[Saint]> How goes?
[8:43] <shiftplusone_uk> aye, sitting in a london hostel
[8:43] <shiftplusone_uk> have to kill 6 hours or so
[8:43] <shiftplusone_uk> and everything is closed >=/
[8:44] <shiftplusone_uk> but yeah, so far, pretty good
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[8:44] <shiftplusone_uk> though I haven't seen much other than the airport and metro, which are the same pretty much everywhere =/
[8:44] <[Saint]> Is this your OE?
[8:44] <[Saint]> Selef discovery, etc.
[8:44] <shiftplusone_uk> OE?
[8:44] <[Saint]> *self
[8:45] <[Saint]> Overseas Experience
[8:45] <shiftplusone_uk> ah, nuh. For that I went to China and Japan a few years back. This is foundation stuff.
[8:45] <[Saint]> General term for packing up and getting away when you can, because, well...you're young, and, why not.
[8:45] <[Saint]> Ah.
[8:46] <shiftplusone_uk> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Overseas_experience
[8:46] <shiftplusone_uk> ah, NZ term
[8:47] <[Saint]> That doesn't surprise me in the slightest. :)
[8:47] <[Saint]> We also have "Homesick Kiwi Syndrome"
[8:47] <[Saint]> Which is generally what happens immediately after, or during, the OE. :)
[8:48] <[Saint]> "Yay, I'm earning twice as much as I was at home...but...Europe? :-/" etc.
[8:48] <[Saint]> Everybody in the entire English speaking world pronouncing things wrong.
[8:49] <[Saint]> Spelling things weird.
[8:49] <shiftplusone_uk> heh
[8:49] <shiftplusone_uk> It's not too different here. Feels like wondering into a strange part of Melbourne where everyone talks funny for some reason.
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[8:51] <shiftplusone_uk> I don't really know what NZ is like. Expect it to be something between Tasmania and Sydney.
[8:51] <[Saint]> Seeing the actual versions of the streets and suburbs those you remember from home are named after.
[8:52] <shiftplusone_uk> Yeah, but they are all arranged wrong >.>
[8:52] <[Saint]> We've got everything. Its too difficult to say what its like.
[8:52] <[Saint]> We have snowfields, glaciers, desert, wetland, rainforst, bust...
[8:52] <[Saint]> all within ~100km of each other.
[8:52] <shiftplusone_uk> ah
[8:52] <[Saint]> *bush
[8:54] <shiftplusone_uk> no wonder people love going there for holidays.
[8:56] <shiftplusone_uk> argh... packed my usb cabled in the checked-in luggage, which I can't get to right now. Can't charge all the things. >=(
[8:56] <shiftplusone_uk> *cables
[8:57] <[Saint]> If the desk is open, they likely have a big 'ol box of chargers and international adapters previously left behind.
[8:57] <shiftplusone_uk> yeah, doesn't hurt to ask.
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[8:59] <[Saint]> Hey, YouTube, if you could go ahead and buffer the entire episode I'm watching if I clearly have a fat pipe in order to do so, that'd be great.
[9:00] <[Saint]> I'm somewhat sick of this "only buffer a tiny chunk at a time" shennanigans.
[9:00] <[Saint]> Skip 5 minutes ahead of the current position? Ohhh - too bad, guy, lets rebuffer it for you. :-/
[9:03] <shiftplusone_uk> score.... got me a charger. Thanks for the suggestion.
[9:04] <shiftplusone_uk> I tend to use youtube-dl if it's something I need to skip around in.
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[9:05] <[Saint]> Not a problem. I've been around a few hostels in my time, and been in the same position. :)
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[9:08] <shiftplusone_uk> Heh, I got a stack of travel adaptors before going... didn't think they would cause such a fuss at the airports.
[9:08] <shiftplusone_uk> Had to take them out several times to show it's not an explosive device.... but a stack of adapters.
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[9:09] <[Saint]> International travel to any one of The Five Eyes is a NIGHTMARE.
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[9:11] <shiftplusone_uk> five eyes?
[9:12] <[Saint]> Quite hilarious considering that if you wanted to do some real, large scale damage, whilst still keeping it profitable, you'd be using some form of biological agent.
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[9:12] <[Saint]> US, UK, CAN, NZ, AU
[9:12] <[Saint]> "the big spy agencies"
[9:13] <[Saint]> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Five_Eyes
[9:13] <shiftplusone_uk> ah, right
[9:13] <shiftplusone_uk> Heathrow wasn't bad. Just a lot of queuing. It was actually Colombo Airport that gave the most grief.
[9:14] <rikkib> All your bases are belong to us
[9:15] <[Saint]> Its OK, its his base too.
[9:15] <rikkib> How cold is it down there?
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[9:16] <[Saint]> 7C currently.
[9:16] <shiftplusone_uk> A nice 20ish degrees here
[9:16] <gordonDrogon> 15C where I am.
[9:16] <[Saint]> Overnight low of 2C, apparently.
[9:16] <[Saint]> Which isn;t that bad.
[9:16] <gordonDrogon> and a bit yoomid.
[9:16] <rikkib> Sun Jun 15 19:15:55 2014 Temperature 14.5 C Pressure 1024 hPa AM2302 Temp: 13.5, RH: 81.6% Dew Point: 9.9
[9:17] * [Saint] is a little suspect of the pressure reading
[9:17] <rikkib> It tends to map to Hamilton readings or close to
[9:18] <rikkib> I thing the pressure reading is the most accurate of the four reading from the two devices
[9:18] <rikkib> think
[9:19] <[Saint]> I just thought it was bloody unlikely for it to be exactly 1024 (a "nice" number)...but, I guess its not /too/ improbable.
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[9:19] <[Saint]> what's the wobble on the thing?
[9:20] <rikkib> Pressure does not wobble
[9:20] <rikkib> RH does
[9:21] <rikkib> and the temp from the am2302 is not great
[9:21] <rikkib> and it gives bad reading sometimes
[9:21] <rikkib> double
[9:21] <[Saint]> Ok...lets try this then: What is the minimal registrable change on the pressure sensor?
[9:21] <rikkib> and it is crc checked
[9:22] <[Saint]> I mean, its *is* possible, but I'm highly suspect of the exactly 1024 figure.
[9:22] <[Saint]> In my experience numbers like that rarely come up in nature when anyone is looking.
[9:22] <rikkib> It is a fixed point calc
[9:22] <rikkib> I need to check
[9:23] <[Saint]> I'm sure its "good enough" for home usage.
[9:23] <[Saint]> Its not like METService is relying on you. ;)
[9:24] <rikkib> printf (" Pressure %0.0f hPa", ((double)pres)) ;
[9:24] <rikkib> pres is the 16bit reading from the sensor /100
[9:25] <[Saint]> Ahhhh. Right.
[9:25] <[Saint]> You need to put up an IRC bot we can poke to find out what the weather is in your locality.
[9:26] <[Saint]> Because...science, or, something...yeah.
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[9:26] <shiftplusone_uk> we had one
[9:26] <shiftplusone_uk> no idea what happened to it
[9:26] <shiftplusone_uk> don't remember who ran it
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[9:28] <rikkib> I have been frustrated by the lose of my anemometer...
[9:28] <shiftplusone_uk> oh wait.... HIS exact locality.... yeah, I don't think anyone cares that much =P
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[9:28] <rikkib> A guy from in here offered to get one for me from Maplin who will not ship to NZ
[9:29] <mrmoney2012> hi all.. i’m trying to log all the output of my python prog like this.. @reboot sudo python /home/pi/scripts/pir_movement_music.py > /home/pi/logs/pir_movement_music.log &
[9:29] <rikkib> Paid for it and he says he sent it but some months ;later no package in the mail
[9:29] <mrmoney2012> but i don’t get the output of the python print statements
[9:29] <rikkib> Now I am crying into my milk
[9:30] <mrmoney2012> me also
[9:30] <[Saint]> rikkib: lesson learned, I would say.
[9:30] <mrmoney2012> milk ful of tears
[9:30] <[Saint]> tracked courier, or, package didn;t exist.
[9:30] <[Saint]> "Oh...yeah, I sent it"
[9:30] <[Saint]> Yeah...no.
[9:30] <[Saint]> Prove it.
[9:31] * rikkib cries some more
[9:31] <[Saint]> The sad likelihood is that you bought someone a shiny new sensor.
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[9:31] <rikkib> A school techer
[9:32] <rikkib> I like to think he has not
[9:32] <[Saint]> Position/status doesn't imply a moral standing.
[9:32] <rikkib> I guess
[9:32] <[Saint]> I mean, I too would like to think otherwise.
[9:33] <rikkib> considering all the scandals
[9:33] <mrmoney2012> any ideas why i dont see my prog output @reboot sudo python /home/pi/scripts/pir_movement_music.py > /home/pi/logs/pir_movement_music.log &
[9:33] <mrmoney2012> i mean simply /home/pi/scripts/pir_movement_music.py
[9:33] <mrmoney2012> that works.
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[9:34] <mrmoney2012> but then i redirect and it creates the file, but file is empty
[9:34] <shiftplusone_uk> could be lack of full path, could be the silly use of sudo, could be the script itself not working from that environment
[9:34] <mrmoney2012> i mean it creates the log file but nothing in it
[9:34] <shiftplusone_uk> check the cron logs, they might tell you something more interesting.
[9:35] <mrmoney2012> script needs sudo apprently as it’s using the GPIO
[9:35] <shiftplusone_uk> sudo isn't something that anything needs.
[9:35] <shiftplusone_uk> what it needs is root permissions
[9:35] <[Saint]> ^ this
[9:35] <shiftplusone_uk> which crontab can handle
[9:36] <shiftplusone_uk> instead of adding it as the user, do it as root
[9:36] <ShorTie> root is where it's at
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[9:36] <[Saint]> is the script actually set up to log anything?
[9:36] <[Saint]> Or, are you hoping it'll just catch some output you think might exist?
[9:36] <mrmoney2012> hmm, it’s the backgrounding that looks to be the problem
[9:37] <mrmoney2012> i just ran...
[9:37] <mrmoney2012> sudo python /home/pi/scripts/pir_movement_music.py > /home/pi/logs/pir_movement_music.log
[9:37] <shiftplusone_uk> one mistake people make is assume that /home/pi/scripts/pir_movement_music.py will run with /home/pi/scripts/ as the current working directory, which is not the case
[9:37] <shiftplusone_uk> so it really depends on what's inside that script
[9:37] <mrmoney2012> in foreground and i got log output
[9:38] <[Saint]> Why are you backgrounding the task in cron?
[9:38] <[Saint]> I can't believe that only just occured to me.
[9:38] <[Saint]> Every job cron runs is in the background already.
[9:38] <shiftplusone_uk> that too
[9:39] <mrmoney2012> really
[9:39] <[Saint]> really really.
[9:39] <mrmoney2012> hehe
[9:39] <mrmoney2012> well i want it to run at boot in background
[9:39] <mrmoney2012> here’s the start of it http://pastie.org/9291587
[9:40] <mrmoney2012> don’t understand why adding the & to the command prevents the redirect of output
[9:40] <mrmoney2012> outside of cron
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[9:43] <mrmoney2012> i could do python loggin i guess but redirection seems simplest
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[9:47] <gordonjcp> mrmoney2012: there is a library in python for writing proper daemons
[9:47] <whiskers75> or you could just crontab -e
[9:48] <gordonjcp> mrmoney2012: you probably want to look at that, instead of throwing the process into the background
[9:48] <whiskers75> and "@reboot cd /your/working/directory && python /your/script"
[9:48] <gordonjcp> sticking it in the background won't work the way you expect, anyway
[9:48] <whiskers75> that's literally what I do with everything
[9:48] <whiskers75> or "@reboot screen -dmS mycooldaemon python mycooldaemon.py"
[9:49] <mrmoney2012> thanks all
[9:49] <mrmoney2012> i like screen ! handy - will try that approach
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[9:54] <mrmoney2012> implemented.. will reboot then do “screen -r”
[9:54] <mrmoney2012> what does -dmS do
[9:57] <mrmoney2012> i went for -dmSL
[9:58] <shiftplusone_uk> which doesn't make sense
[9:59] <shiftplusone_uk> mrmoney2012: -S needs a parameter. In this case it was "mycooldaemon"
[9:59] <[Saint]> based on the prior conversation I'm not sure things making sense is a necessary criterion.
[9:59] * ShorTie snickers
[9:59] <mrmoney2012> hilarious
[10:00] <mrmoney2012> i missed that thanks shift
[10:00] <shiftplusone_uk> no worries
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[10:37] <anev> o/
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[10:50] <anev> l_r: hey, any luck with fbsd yesterday>
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[11:57] <anev> l_r: building from source right now
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[11:59] <l_r> anev, i did not try ,no sd empty cards
[12:00] <l_r> anev, i wonder if there is a cross compiler vailable
[12:00] <l_r> oh you tr compiling from freebsd on pc?
[12:01] <anev> l_r: compiling from freebsd
[12:02] <anev> i have it booting sucessfully now, but it doesn't recognise the usbhub so i can't connect a kerboard
[12:02] <anev> keyboard
[12:02] <l_r> i see
[12:02] <anev> decided to try the custom build, so at least i can create a custom account and have ssh active
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[12:28] <funky1> hi all anyone running raspbx on their pi?
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[12:32] <hydrospell> hi everyone.
[12:32] <ShorTie> Good Morning
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[12:33] <hydrospell> Godo evening from singapore~
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[13:01] <l_r> anev, is it freebsd 11?
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[13:11] <anev> l_r: the one currently building? yeah, i just sync'ed latest -current
[13:11] <anev> l_r: still building
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[13:22] <[Saint]> Jeebus. pacman sure does a number on a pi when upgrading.
[13:23] <[Saint]> I suspect all the tiny reads and writes really hurt it, too.
[13:23] <[Saint]> updating perl and systemd just pegged the system for almost a full minute.
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[13:39] <gordonjcp> [Saint]: probably not the Pi so much as your SD card
[13:40] <[Saint]> Its a super-backflip SanDisk Extreme BlahBlah SomethingOrOther MEGA 1000
[13:40] <whiskers75> oh god: https://whiskers75.co.uk/assets/sysadmin_nightmare.png
[13:40] <whiskers75> (not my pie, thankfully)
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[13:47] <[Saint]> If It was, I would be seriously wondering how you managed to OC to 2GHz, and bolt on 7 more cores. ;)
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[13:52] <whiskers75> [Saint]: yeah :P
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[14:17] <mypifi> Hi all I have made my first ledboard add on for the raspberry pi and have placed it on kickstarter, currently 41% funded in a few days, a great add on for many things including education, please take a look and sharehttps://www.kickstarter.com/projects/1059145052/mypifi-led-board many thanks all
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[14:23] <MarkG1234> Can someone help. Getting RPi kernel compile problems. Compiling on the device itself (the time it will take me to setup cross compiling, I could have done it on device)....
[14:23] <MarkG1234> Following these instructions: http://elinux.org/RPi_Kernel_Compilation
[14:23] <MarkG1234> Extracted the current RPi .config and copied it to the kernel base directory
[14:24] <MarkG1234> and when I run make oldconfig, I get: drivers/mtd/Kconfig:319: can't open file "drivers/mtd/onenand/Kconfig"
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[14:24] <MarkG1234> I downloaded the ZIP from the GIT repository
[14:24] <MarkG1234> (as I don't want the whole repository history).
[14:25] <[Saint]> Possibly a permissions issue?
[14:25] <[Saint]> I would guess the permissions aren't imported from the zip?
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[14:25] <[Saint]> You can also check out only the top level of a git repo, if you want, also.
[14:26] <MarkG1234> How do I do this?
[14:26] <[Saint]> using the --depth flag, if I recall correctly.
[14:26] <[Saint]> as in, depth -- 1
[14:27] <[Saint]> err, crap. *--depth 1
[14:27] <MarkG1234> LE me try that see if it works.
[14:28] <[Saint]> but with git, getting all the versioning history isn't really that expensive.
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[14:35] <MarkG1234> That seems to be working better now.
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[14:47] <MarkG1234> I am trying to build a wifi kernel module, but it's failing because I don't have the kernel headers. if I try and run apt-get install kernel-headers it's lists loads of arm architectures not not RPi, and the version doesn't match the kernel version.
[14:48] <shiftplusone_uk> yup
[14:48] <shiftplusone_uk> sounds about right
[14:49] <shiftplusone_uk> just download the kernel source from github and use the headers from there
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[14:50] <MarkG1234> I have those, but they live in an arbitary place in my filesystem, how do I tell my driver makefile where to look. I have tried -I switch
[14:50] <shiftplusone_uk> https://github.com/raspberrypi/linux
[14:50] <shiftplusone_uk> read the makefile
[14:50] <shiftplusone_uk> there should be an envvar you can use mayhaps
[14:51] <MarkG1234> This is what I am trying to compile. https://github.com/gnab/rtl8812au
[14:52] <shiftplusone_uk> if the driver is distributed properly, it should be make -C <path_to_kernel_src> M=$PWD
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[14:54] <yokisho> hi!
[14:54] <yokisho> i got it!
[14:54] <shiftplusone_uk> hi
[14:54] <shiftplusone_uk> hurray
[14:54] <yokisho> :D
[14:54] <yokisho> thanks :P
[14:54] <shiftplusone_uk> I don't know what, but congratulations.
[14:54] <yokisho> my usb wifi stick now is working
[14:55] <[Saint]> beat me to it.
[14:55] <[Saint]> I've been here all day and have no idea what "it" is. :)
[14:55] <yokisho> and yesterday?
[14:55] <MarkG1234> Many thanks.-M seems to have done the trick.
[14:55] <yokisho> i was asking for the problem
[14:55] <yokisho> and somebody gave me an idea :D
[14:56] <shiftplusone_uk> MarkG1234: for future reference https://www.kernel.org/doc/Documentation/kbuild/modules.txt
[14:58] <yokisho> i am going out. Thannks! guys :D
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[15:14] <yokisho> i like sshfs :D
[15:14] <yokisho> ooops i am out srry
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[15:37] <roxlu> hi
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[15:40] <roxlu> Does someone knows if a rpi is powerful enough to encode webcam images using libvpx ?
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[15:41] <anev> roxlu: yup - http://jeremyblythe.blogspot.ie/2012/05/raspberry-pi-webcam.html
[15:42] <roxlu> anev: looks like that one uses an mpeg stream
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[16:30] <Shardvexz> I'm curious
[16:30] <Shardvexz> I just read online about playstation emulating on the pi
[16:31] <Shardvexz> But no one seems to say if it runs at a decent speed
[16:31] <Shardvexz> So my question is, does it run at a good FPS?
[16:35] <shiftplusone_uk> probably depends on what it runs, but I recommend just trying.
[16:35] <shiftplusone_uk> I am not expecting it to work that great.
[16:36] <gordonjcp> roughly speaking you've got about 20 instructions available per PSX instruction
[16:37] <gordonjcp> I'd hate to say impossible
[16:37] <gordonjcp> it's going to be tight though ;-)
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[18:16] <kylethebaker> has anyone ever played around with a radxa?
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[18:22] <Encrypt> kylethebaker, Nope
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[19:05] <Wabsta> Hello, question: What FileSystem should I use with external HDD's and the Pi? NTFS was pretty slow, but now I've formatted the disk ext4 (and got another one, also ext4), and the speed is even slower..
[19:06] <ppq> ext4 slower than ntfs? i can't believe that
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[19:07] <Wabsta> ntfs got me 5mb/s (reading), and ext4 only gives me 3.5
[19:07] <ppq> that is usb-related, most likely.
[19:08] <ppq> makes more sense to compare cpu load
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[19:09] <bkboggy> How can I change the default login name from pi to something else?
[19:09] <pksato> create new user (adduser)
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[19:17] <bkboggy> pksato: so, pi will always stay as the superuser?
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[20:11] <yokisho> wee! my wifi is alive!!
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[20:18] <yokisho> i am waiting for a pin
[20:18] <yokisho> :D
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[20:20] <blockh34d> yokisho: congrads! now get bluetooth working ;)
[20:20] <l_r> anev, how is it going
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[20:28] <yokisho> blockh34d, well, bluetooth devices? Tablet --> RBi?
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[20:30] <blockh34d> i've had limited luck with bluetooth and rpi, i was able to get wireless music happening but not wireless file transfer
[20:30] <blockh34d> eventually got fed up with everything wireless and plugged the rpi directly into a nearby netbook with rj45 cable
[20:31] <blockh34d> my HD videos play much better through the network that way
[20:31] <blockh34d> btw my app is now #1 on pi store! thanks everyone who helped me get it together or every gave me a nice rating! ty
[20:32] <blockh34d> it came to mind because its a media player and i use it to play back media stored on a diff computer all day... when i tried that via wireless, didn't work as well
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[20:41] <yokisho> nono
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[20:42] <yokisho> If you want to watch videos by streaming you must be wired
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[20:42] <blockh34d> i had some luck watching normal lowdef encodes over wireless
[20:43] <blockh34d> the problem seemed to be higher def videos, but even with lowdef, shuffling and moving playback around was still too slow
[20:43] <blockh34d> now that i plug in directly to a host machine, shuffle/seeks are instant, also it loads the video almost immediately
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[20:43] <blockh34d> gotta use omxplayer though, or my player, which is just a UI to omxplayer anyways
[20:44] <yokisho> : )
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[20:45] <yokisho> initially, i was thinking rpi it will be for networking :P You could try chromecast or WDTV Live
[20:46] <yokisho> chromecast i heard that uses wifi
[20:47] <blockh34d> nah rpi is a fine media center once you get it sorted
[20:48] <blockh34d> chromecast seems like a lot of hacks to get it working the way i want
[20:48] <yokisho> at best you will get seeking well and perfomance better
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[20:48] <blockh34d> with rpi and my app, typing 'play' will load the player, scan current directory and all subdirectories for media, add them all into a playlist, optionall shuffle them and then play, in a way that lets you continue doing whatever you were doing (in this case, chatting on irc while i listen to music)
[20:49] <blockh34d> and like i said, now i can seek instantly
[20:49] <blockh34d> its very nice
[20:49] <blockh34d> name of this app is 'scamp' btw, maybe give it a shot, see what you think eh
[20:49] <blockh34d> i like it, use it every day all day
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[20:50] <blockh34d> soon i'm going to add in ability to fetch youtube videos and handle all that kinda stuff
[20:50] <yokisho> uhms, lets me try it out
[20:51] <blockh34d> great lemme know if you have any problems.. .should be a simple install though, from pi store
[20:51] <blockh34d> an upvote would be very appreciated :)
[20:51] <yokisho> i have just seen pi store :D
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[20:51] <yokisho> ok :)
[20:51] <blockh34d> a lot of people dont like it but i do
[20:52] <blockh34d> i think it makes life a lot easier for some people, mayb ethey're not so big into command lines etc (like my stepdad)
[20:52] <shiftplusone_uk> D=
[20:52] <shiftplusone_uk> welcome back
[20:52] <yokisho> which curses? :O
[20:52] <blockh34d> sup
[20:52] <blockh34d> yokisho: not sure, ncurses maybe? python's standard curses
[20:52] <shiftplusone_uk> you disappeared there for a bit
[20:52] <blockh34d> shiftplusone_uk: yeah, may do so again, just wanted to thank everyone that helped me get my app done and published
[20:53] <blockh34d> i think i'm too abrassive for this chan
[20:53] <blockh34d> also curious if anyone wants an app
[20:53] <shiftplusone_uk> the channel rules were toned down a little, so maybe not.
[20:53] <blockh34d> ie 'i wish there was an app that did _____ for rpi'
[20:54] <blockh34d> i take requests
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[20:54] <blockh34d> shiftplusone_uk: cool well we'll see.. How have you been?
[20:54] <shiftplusone_uk> had a busy few weeks, but overall, excellent.
[20:54] <blockh34d> great
[20:54] <blockh34d> i finally got a 3d printer
[20:55] <blockh34d> its super fun
[20:55] <blockh34d> keeping me very busy
[20:55] <gordonDrogon> I'ev decided to get a laser cutter rather than a 3d printer.
[20:55] <blockh34d> yes i want to use the 3d printer to help me make a cnc
[20:55] <gordonDrogon> not convinved the 3d printers are worth it right now.
[20:55] <gordonDrogon> they're just too slow.
[20:55] <blockh34d> i think 3d printer is only so useful.. but a good cnc...infinite possibilities
[20:56] <blockh34d> gordonDrogon: i'm trying to design products though, not just print them out... for prototyping, 3d printing is amazing
[20:56] <blockh34d> big reason i got 3d printer was to design a housing for my HMD
[20:56] <yokisho> blockh34d, is your app responsive? :D
[20:56] <blockh34d> yokisho: should be? just make sure you run it from a folder that contains some media to plya, or that you manulally specify exactly whree a file to play is
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[20:57] <blockh34d> if you run it without a filename to play, from within a folder that contains tons and tons of media, it make take a moment to scan it into a playlist
[20:57] <blockh34d> but mine can scan in a 3 week playlist in about 5-10 seconds.. .shouldnt take too long
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[21:08] <blockh34d> it'd be great if the chan rules didnt' require javascript and chrome to read
[21:08] <blockh34d> i run luakit with all javascript disabled since i'm on a PI
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[21:10] <l_r> anev, are you there?
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[21:25] <arcanescu> I need a lcd screen + keypad for input, any recommendations which i can put on the headers for rpi?
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[21:32] <shiftplusone_uk> arcanescu: better looks for a 3.3v serial (spi, i2c or uart) for the display, but the standard parallel lcd will work too, if connected right.
[21:32] <shiftplusone_uk> you do mean a simple character display LCD rather than a colour graphical or dot matrix one, right?
[21:33] <arcanescu> shiftplusone_uk - Any it doesnt matter, just need it to be with a keypad ideally
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[21:34] <shiftplusone_uk> what sort of keypad? 0-9 sort of thing?
[21:34] <arcanescu> i need characters
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[21:34] <arcanescu> im wondering if I am better off with : http://www.watterott.com/en/RPi-Display not sure if this allows on board keypad?
[21:34] <arcanescu> so if i click on a text feild would it show a keyboard?
[21:35] <shiftplusone_uk> there might be some programs like that.
[21:35] <arcanescu> I think there support for that... not sure.
[21:35] <shiftplusone_uk> I don't know. Haven't needed it.
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[21:41] <blockh34d> arcanescu: sudo apt-get install matchbox-keyboard
[21:41] <blockh34d> i've had ok luck with matchbox i think, been a while since i neede dit for anything
[21:45] <blockh34d> seems like it does not have a numpad though, which is kinda funny, wtf...
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[21:45] <Boscop> i connected my pi with ethernet and my router has assigned it an ip address but that doesn't show up in ifconfig
[21:45] <Boscop> what might be the reason for that?
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[21:47] <blockh34d> what does ifconfig output? mabye you should use codepad.org or something like that to paste
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[21:53] <bkboggy> is there a way to list other devices on the network that pi sees?
[21:53] <bkboggy> their ip address or something along those lines
[21:53] <bkboggy> *in bash
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[21:58] <ltedcoai> bkboggy: nmap?
[21:58] <yokisho> arp-scan
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[21:59] <arcanescu> blockh34d: no numpad? dafaq?
[21:59] <arcanescu> blockh34d: how to enter numbers dont or you dont :/ ?
[22:01] <ltedcoai> bkboggy: sudo nmap -sL 192.168.1.*
[22:02] <ltedcoai> in that format, will find them
[22:03] <ltedcoai> bkboggy: you can also do -sP
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[22:05] <yokisho> arp-scan --interface eth0 --localnet
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[22:08] <ltedcoai> yokisho: that worked much worse than nmap -sL or -sP
[22:08] <bkboggy> ltedcoai: says command not found
[22:08] <ltedcoai> bkboggy: sudo apt-get install nmap
[22:08] <bkboggy> k
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[22:09] <Dannox> I've copied over the sd card to my 64g usb with dd and changed the root to /dev/sda2, but I'm still only seeing 3.6g size in my df -h output
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[22:09] <Encrypt> Dannox, That's normal
[22:09] <bkboggy> JakeSays: I didn't know you were into pi as well! :0
[22:09] <Encrypt> You have to extend the partitions to use the entire space
[22:09] <yokisho> really? i don't know it. Thank you. But you can see IPs also...
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[22:09] <Dannox> I tried with raspi-config, but it complained it wasn't an sd card
[22:09] <JakeSays> bkboggy: i have several of 'em
[22:10] <bkboggy> JakeSays: Nice!
[22:10] <Encrypt> Dannox, You can't do that with rpi-config I think
[22:10] <ltedcoai> yokisho: It only listed 2 devices on my network and gave no hostnames
[22:10] <Encrypt> If you installed the system on it, içt mu_sn't be running to do such operation
[22:11] <yokisho> ltedcoai, all other devices is down...maybe :P
[22:11] <yokisho> sorry, are down! :P
[22:11] <Dannox> I also tried resize2fs, but it complained that it's already 953344 blocks long
[22:11] <ltedcoai> nope :P
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[22:12] <bkboggy> ltedcoai: Thanks it worked very well.
[22:12] <yokisho> oks,, so, the best way will be use nmap :D
[22:12] <bkboggy> i like how it scans through the whole range
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[22:13] <bkboggy> -sP is pretty neat, good details
[22:14] <blockh34d> arcanescu: well its got the numbers up top but its not the same i think
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[22:14] <bkboggy> well, off for a lunch, thanks for the help fellas
[22:14] <arcanescu> blockh34d: sigh - alternates?
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[22:15] <blockh34d> arcanescu: i dunno maybe thers some tricky little option you can set in some config file or something
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[22:15] <blockh34d> i didnt see any sort of 'alt keys' or 'special' toggle
[22:16] <arcanescu> blockh34d: ah no worries ill have alook let me order this first :)
[22:16] <blockh34d> i keep wondering if i should allow my media player app to be controlled by gpio pins
[22:17] <blockh34d> would anyone here now possibly use a feature like that?
[22:17] <blockh34d> it'd be so you could wire up /next/prev/seek +/- 30seconds/ seak +/- 10 minutes
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[22:55] <gordonDrogon> there are a few "radio" type Pi projects that use the gpio for control, so no reason why not if no keyboard immediately avalable.
[22:59] <Squarepy> anyone used the pi with gnuradio? was wondering what the performance is when writing to the audio out in terms of buffersize, latency
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[23:19] <Shardvexz> I have two raspberry pis within my network
[23:19] <Shardvexz> I'm forwarding port 22 so I can SSH into one of them...
[23:19] <Shardvexz> Is it possible to have two SSH servers within the same network?
[23:20] <Shardvexz> How would I do this... would I have to use an alternate SSH port for the other pi?
[23:22] <Encrypt> Shardvexz, You can
[23:22] <the-kyle> If you are attempting to ssh from within the network, just set different hostnames or type in the IP addresses. If you need to ssh to both from the internet, you should be able to forward different external ports to port 22 on each Pi.
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[23:32] <kylethebaker> I'm trying to setup a simple led indicator with a green led being on when nginx is running, and a red light being on when nginx is stopped. do I need to use 2 GPIO pins for that? one for the red light and one for the green light or is there a way to do it with a single pin
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[23:33] <mgottschlag> kylethebaker: put the green LED between the pin and GND (with a resistor), and the red one between 3.3V and the pin (again, with a resistor)
[23:34] <mgottschlag> then 3.3V at the pin will light the green LED, and 0V at the pin will light the red LED
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[23:35] <mgottschlag> and you can set the pin to "input" to cause both LEDs to be off
[23:35] <mgottschlag> it is not possible to light both of course
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[23:36] <gordonDrogon> unless you send a pulse train down the gpio pin .. :)
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[23:36] <gordonDrogon> a-la charlieplexing..
[23:37] <kylethebaker> okay, cool. thanks.
[23:38] <mgottschlag> hm, yeah, although one probably toggle the pins between 0 and input or 1 and input to get the same brightness when only one LED is on :)
[23:38] <mgottschlag> that sentence accidently no verb
[23:39] <gordonDrogon> I've used some 2-pin bi-colour LEDs in a recent project. 2 LEDs wired back to back - that would need 2 pins though, but you could have off, red or green.
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[23:43] <kylethebaker> with RPi.GPIO, do the pins reset when the script is finished execute? like whether its in/out/low/high?
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[23:47] <gordonDrogon> kylethebaker, no idea. don't use python... check the documentation?
[23:48] <mgottschlag> or build the script as a daemon which keeps running
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