#raspberrypi IRC Log

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IRC Log for 2014-06-18

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[2:17] <rayeshman> Hi, I can't install IceWeasel on arch linux
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[2:18] <rayeshman> what should I do?
[2:19] * ShorTie thinkz, try raspbian maybe
[2:19] <rayeshman> not a good idea
[2:19] <ShorTie> it's the most optimized os for the rPi i believe
[2:20] <ShorTie> oh, ok
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[2:22] <ShorTie> can i ask why it's not a good idea ??
[2:23] <rayeshman> I can not Install it, for some reasons!
[2:23] <rayeshman> I just want to install iceweasel for downthemall
[2:24] <ShorTie> no way to write a image to the sdcard ??
[2:24] <rayeshman> may be finding a download manager is a better idea.
[2:24] <rayeshman> No,
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[2:25] <rayeshman> I just do not have a memory card reader
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[2:28] <zombieman> can anyone help me set up my raspberry pi model b to be a pxe server to boot windows instalation dvd to my pc
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[2:54] <justanotheruser> So, any reason my pi wouldn't be connecting to wifi? http://hastebin.com/iziwaticac.sm
[2:56] <justanotheruser> Here is my interfaces http://hastebin.com/jayeyipoyu.m
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[2:56] <ShorTie> might try wicd, it makes wifi preaty easy
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[2:57] <justanotheruser> ShorTie: automatically sets up my interfaces file?
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[2:58] <ShorTie> not really automagical, but preaty easy
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[3:03] <justanotheruser> ShorTie: do you not see anything wrong with my files or output?
[3:03] <justanotheruser> Here is iwconfig
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[3:04] <justanotheruser> hastebin.com/giwokufiwi.coffee
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[3:21] <clobbybook> Hey guys. I am trying to concatenate several hard drives and I don't know how to go about it. What is the recommended method? Should I use LVM? Does anyone know of any tutorials on this subject?
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[4:04] <MrHacks> Hello, hello
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[4:06] <MrHacks> Anyone here awake enough to share how to enable unicode characters so I stop seeing squares on non-ascii characters. It's no fun globtrotting russian websites when their pages look like tetris.
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[5:18] <foxtrotniner> I have a strange question, what is the difference between a single sided and double sided perf board? my google-fu isn't working so well
[5:19] <phire> single sided has copper on one side of the board
[5:19] <phire> double sided has copper on both sides of the board
[5:19] <foxtrotniner> i know that much
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[5:20] <foxtrotniner> is there a difference?
[5:20] <foxtrotniner> and is there one circuit application that would work on a double and won't work on a single
[5:20] <phire> in what way?
[5:22] <phire> you can only solder single sided on one side of the board
[5:22] <foxtrotniner> oh is that all?
[5:23] <phire> I think so
[5:25] <phire> oh, single sided isn't plated
[5:25] <phire> might make a diffrence in quality
[5:25] <foxtrotniner> isn't there perf board that have no copper at all?
[5:26] <phire> it's not really standized
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[5:29] <foxtrotniner> oh then heck nothing can stop me from extending a perf board by glueing two of them together
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[10:08] <anev> l_r: things seems to be running pretty well
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[10:09] <anev> l_r: gonna put up a post re building custom image and getting it running
[10:09] <anev> l_r: i'll link you after if you're interested
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[10:21] <ParkerR> The emergency kernel is self contained right? I was wondering if it pointed to anything externally or if I could just throw in kernel emergency and a config.txt and boot it up
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[10:24] <ShorTie> you most likely need some modules too...
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[10:25] <ParkerR> Well I was thinking if its an emergency kernel you are most likely calling it was a borked rootfs
[10:25] <ParkerR> *with a
[10:25] <ParkerR> So I am thinking it would be self contained as a way to recover that
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[10:27] <ShorTie> not much to do with a borked rootfs, except reloading an image to fix it
[10:27] <ParkerR> Which is my exact plan :P
[10:28] <ParkerR> Boot emergency kernel on card, (iirc it loads to RAM), remove SD card, mount USB storage, insert new card, flash image from USB drive
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[10:30] <ShorTie> i don't think that is gonna work
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[10:31] <ShorTie> why not just change up the config.txt a little and run from the usb drive ??
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[10:32] <ParkerR> Because I have a card that I can only flash in the Pi
[10:32] <ShorTie> they are alot less prone to file corruption
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[11:12] <ParkerR> ShorTie, Good news! It works!
[11:12] <ParkerR> kernel_emergency loads to RAm
[11:12] <ParkerR> I mounted USB
[11:12] <ParkerR> Removed card
[11:12] <ParkerR> Inserted second card
[11:12] <ParkerR> dd if=/mntimg.img of=/dev/mmcblk0
[11:13] <ParkerR> */mnt/img.img
[11:13] <ShorTie> sweet
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[11:21] <[Saint]> img.img.img.img? ;)
[11:22] <[Saint]> sed magic is fun.
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[11:24] <ParkerR> Haha
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[13:06] <gordonDrogon> [Saint], sed?
[13:06] <gordonDrogon> [Saint], did you know there's a version of 'bc' written in sed ...
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[13:28] <Jck_true> Is sed turing complete?
[13:28] <gordonDrogon> let me google that for you: http://www.catonmat.net/blog/proof-that-sed-is-turing-complete/
[13:29] <Jck_true> I know I know - My bad :)
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[13:30] <tpw_rules> is the boot partition mounted in raspbian when the desktop is up?
[13:30] <gordonDrogon> normally yes, under /boot
[13:30] <tpw_rules> oh, i should have guessed :D
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[13:32] <tpw_rules> it really requires patience to use this thing when my laptop has a quad-core i7
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[13:33] <gordonDrogon> a lot depends on what you do - for me, I work in xterms and run local compiles - the editing part is no slower, compiles are a little slower though.
[13:34] <gordonDrogon> but yes, patience is needed if you're doing bigger stuff - like web browsing, and other desktopy stuff.
[13:34] <tpw_rules> i'm trying to surf the web on it. ultimately it will end up a print server
[13:34] <tpw_rules> right now i'm cursing my farking monitor for having underscan built into the firmware
[13:34] <gordonDrogon> try installing chromium - it's slower to start up than midori but seems just as fast bowsing - but it does use more memory.
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[13:35] <tpw_rules> is midori gecko-based?
[13:35] <gordonDrogon> I don't really know
[13:35] <CharlieBra7o> gordonDrogon: I just tried setting my uart clock to 16mhz and then open the serial port with 1,000,000 bauds but I get this msg: "Unable to open serial device: Success" - what does this even mean? :D
[13:35] * tpw_rules does actual research
[13:36] <tpw_rules> it means that actually worked but it totally wasn't supposed to /s
[13:36] <CharlieBra7o> :|
[13:36] <gordonDrogon> CharlieBra7o, no idea - is this using my serialOpen code?
[13:36] <CharlieBra7o> yup
[13:36] <CharlieBra7o> just changed up the baud rate
[13:37] <gordonDrogon> CharlieBra7o, still no eye deer.
[13:37] <tpw_rules> some serial ports don't support nonstandard baud rates
[13:37] <gordonDrogon> it's possible that the baud you're using in serialOpen isn't supported by it - it onyl looks for a subset.
[13:37] <gordonDrogon> you may need to write your own version of serialOpen.
[13:37] <tpw_rules> try 921600, that's the closest to 1M
[13:38] <gordonDrogon> part of the issue is that serialOpen has a big switch statement to convert the numbe into the #defined Bxxxx constant that's then used by the kernel driver.
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[13:39] <CharlieBra7o> ah okay
[13:39] <CharlieBra7o> did u already check which the highest clock is just now? otherwise ill do it quick
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[13:40] <CharlieBra7o> 230400 is the highest
[13:40] <gordonDrogon> why do you need serial that fast?
[13:41] <Jck_true> The tubes! Gotta fill them tubes!
[13:41] <CharlieBra7o> because I wanna get a LOT of values from a microcontroller, which cant store all that much temporatily
[13:41] <gordonDrogon> yes... but ... I'm wondering if you can fill the tubes - application & kernel latency issues not withstanding ...
[13:42] <gordonDrogon> 115200 baud is 10KB/sec.
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[13:43] <CharlieBra7o> yeah
[13:43] <tpw_rules> you should be able to get a higher baud rate directly poking at the uart registers
[13:44] <Jck_true> What bloated data you sending?
[13:44] <Jck_true> XML?
[13:44] <tpw_rules> nah, json man
[13:44] <gordonDrogon> I think what I'm saying is that to try it at 115200 first, then see if you really do need it faster - unless you alreay are ...
[13:44] <gordonDrogon> and forget all that posh encoding - send binary :)
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[13:46] <CharlieBra7o> gordonDrogon: I did try 115200 so far, but its very limiting for my current testing purposes
[13:46] <CharlieBra7o> Jck_true: 2x ui8 per value, and Im getting >= 500,000 per second
[13:46] <tpw_rules> lord what are you doing
[13:47] <Jck_true> you're reading a uint16 value 500 000 times a second?!?
[13:47] <CharlieBra7o> yeah
[13:48] <Jck_true> Why not save it to RAM and then transmit if ater you're done capturing?
[13:49] <Jck_true> Even 921600 is not enough to transmit that data amount
[13:50] <CharlieBra7o> because its about 1MB data per second and the microcontroller doesnt have that much RAM :|
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[13:50] <tpw_rules> how are you generating that much data
[13:51] <CharlieBra7o> a fast ADC
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[13:52] <tpw_rules> if you really want to have fun you could wire it to the pi gpio
[13:52] <Jck_true> Does the ADC have an SPI interface? Why not interface to it from your PI directly?
[13:53] <CharlieBra7o> I thought about that (like parallel) @ tpw_rules
[13:53] <Jck_true> CharlieBra7o: You have to log every value? You can't say... Only log changes or?
[13:53] <gordonDrogon> one issue with the Pi's SPI interface is latency.
[13:53] <CharlieBra7o> Jck_true: Ive spent too much time NOT getting SPI working properly between rpi and microcontroller (which has the adc)
[13:54] <gordonDrogon> unless it's changed in recent kernels (I've not checked) but it used to be something like 8K transactions/sec max.
[13:54] <CharlieBra7o> plus the rpi is only spi master, which is pretty not so cool for what im doing
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[13:55] <CharlieBra7o> actually im pretty happy the way it works with uart atm - although its not that fast...
[13:55] <Jck_true> Well even setting your baudrate up to 915 won't give you enough bandwidth...
[13:55] <tpw_rules> how do i change the keyboard mapping?
[13:55] <Jck_true> still only 1/10 of what you need
[13:56] <Jck_true> tpw_rules: dpkg-reconfigure keyboard-configuration
[13:56] <Jck_true> tpw_rules: Or actually - I think the raspi-config tool does it for you too
[13:58] <CharlieBra7o> Jck_true: I know its not, I dont need the full 500ksps over the wire just yet
[13:58] <CharlieBra7o> maybe 50-100k would be enough to see what the measurements look like
[13:59] <CharlieBra7o> the actual data gets filtered down to ~10 values per second
[13:59] <Jck_true> RaspberryPi Oscilloscope v.1
[13:59] <tpw_rules> so why not do that on your whizbang micro?
[13:59] <CharlieBra7o> like I said - its just for testing
[14:00] <CharlieBra7o> tpw_rules: I just said that I WILL do that eventually
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[14:00] <CharlieBra7o> I just want to have a look at the samples first to see what Im dealing with...
[14:00] <tpw_rules> what are you sampling?
[14:01] <CharlieBra7o> mains voltage
[14:01] <tpw_rules> how could you possibly need 500,000 samples per second
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[14:01] <ShorTie> warp speed
[14:01] <CharlieBra7o> because I need very high accuracy for the frequency and phase detection
[14:03] <chris_99> to detect hidden data being smuggled out across power lines from an NSA bug
[14:03] <CharlieBra7o> chris_99: not so loud! :|
[14:03] * ShorTie snickers
[14:03] <CharlieBra7o> they can hear us :|
[14:04] <chris_99> eeek
[14:04] <tpw_rules> why would you need/be able to detect phase? three-phase power?
[14:05] <Jck_true> ahaha I was actually thinking if were trying to sniff data from one of thoose powerline<->ethernet adapters
[14:05] <CharlieBra7o> tpw_rules: eventually its likely to measure all 3 lanes, yes
[14:08] <tpw_rules> i feel just in the interests of safety you should probably get something more commercial
[14:09] <CharlieBra7o> its to measure and timestamp (gps) the data at very high accuracy with several such units across europe to measure the grid
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[14:09] <CharlieBra7o> so not like the 10$ things u buy and plug into ur power socket
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[14:11] <CharlieBra7o> Jck_true: but sniffing power-eth adapters would actually be pretty cool too xD
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[14:20] <eutheria> i've always wondered, say you develop something using one of these dev boards, raspberry pi etc, how would you take it into being a real product? so you have someone remove the components you don't need and drop it on a board?
[14:21] <chris_99> the processor for the RPi can't be bought in small quantities alas afaik
[14:23] <eutheria> should i look at alternatives that would let me? create my own pcb?
[14:23] <gordonDrogon> you can create your own PCB with the Pi compute module.
[14:23] <chris_99> maybe? what are you trying to make
[14:24] <eutheria> i was just wondering
[14:24] <gordonDrogon> this is a so-dimm size module with the Pi SoC, 4GB of flash and - well not a lot else.
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[14:24] <chris_99> that's still not making your own PCB gordonDrogon
[14:24] <chris_99> that's just adding a module
[14:24] <gordonDrogon> next best thing though.
[14:24] <eutheria> i was trying to figure out how the development process might work
[14:24] <gordonDrogon> it's what people are going to use not to make real prducts that they're already using the Pi for.
[14:24] <gordonDrogon> s/not/now/
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[14:25] <eutheria> so you buy a development board, and when you are done, you need make 100 of them
[14:25] <causality> gordonDrogon: so i got my 4d displays..
[14:25] <gordonDrogon> eutheria, the dev. board is just a sample that takes the Pi compute module - you use it to prototype your own board, then build you own that takes the compute module.
[14:25] <causality> gordonDrogon: do you know what ends up on the sd card vs direct flash, so i can figure out what changes dont need the sd card moving?
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[14:26] <gordonDrogon> causality, I know nothing about the SD card on the 4D displays. all I know is that you use their Windows supplied EXE to program it.
[14:26] <eutheria> oh you can buy the compute module separately and have someone drop it on a pcb for you?
[14:26] <gordonDrogon> eutheria, Yup.
[14:26] <eutheria> oh coolio
[14:26] <causality> gordonDrogon: hm, it's a bit of a pain having to constantly swap out the sd card to program it
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[14:26] <gordonDrogon> eutheria, http://www.raspberrypi.org/raspberry-pi-compute-module-new-product/
[14:26] <eutheria> i don't even own a pi yet,
[14:26] <gordonDrogon> causality, I know.
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[14:27] <eutheria> oh neat
[14:27] <eutheria> and you would connect it to a some io interfaces that you need etc
[14:28] <gordonDrogon> yes.
[14:28] <eutheria> lovely
[14:28] <eutheria> sorry i really knew nothing
[14:28] <eutheria> just had a passing interest
[14:30] <eutheria> next newbie question, i discovered xbee last night and sparkfun
[14:30] <eutheria> can i get an xbee module and connect it up to a pi?
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[14:31] <gordonDrogon> yes, but far better off using a ciseco urf module IMO - that's USB based and looks like just a serial port.
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[14:31] <eutheria> i would like something with a good java api,
[14:31] <gordonDrogon> it's serial.
[14:32] <eutheria> don't know what a ciseco urf module is
[14:32] <gordonDrogon> you just use it like a serial port.
[14:32] <gordonDrogon> google would be your friend there.
[14:32] <eutheria> surely i have to send commands, i guess i would write an api for the commands
[14:32] <Jck_true> eutheria: Yes :)
[14:33] <eutheria> i was hoping to avoid that :D
[14:33] <eutheria> but that isn't a big deal
[14:33] <Jck_true> eutheria: http://www.cooking-hacks.com/documentation/tutorials/raspberry-pi-xbee
[14:33] <LWK> eutheria http://shop.ciseco.co.uk/rf-module-range/ there is a whole range including the Slice of radio which goes directly on the PI headers
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[14:34] <eutheria> oh oh!
[14:34] <gordonDrogon> eutheria, they're *serial ports*.
[14:34] <eutheria> thanks guys
[14:34] <gordonDrogon> eutheria, you put a byte down one and it pops out at the far-end. one byte in, one byte out.
[14:34] <gordonDrogon> that's the same as how XBees work too.
[14:34] <eutheria> ah i am being slow
[14:35] <gordonDrogon> you can layer whatever levels of inefficiency on-top of that if you like.
[14:36] <Jck_true> Or you could buy a pair of 433mhz tx and rx modules in china for 2 bucks and bitbang away :)
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[14:39] <eutheria> thanks, it has been 20 years since i used serial comms
[14:40] <eutheria> i was thinking i needed to send AT commands
[14:40] <gordonDrogon> there are AT commands you can send to both the Xbee and Ciseco stuff, but they're not needed in the default configuration.
[14:40] <eutheria> just if you want to configure the PANID and some other things
[14:41] <eutheria> i read about that
[14:41] <eutheria> not that it has sank in yet
[14:42] <eutheria> i am going to be a really stupid idiot now, where do you get a pi from in the UK, other than a way over priced setup from maplin?
[14:43] <LWK> cpc, rapid, farnell
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[14:43] <eutheria> thanks
[14:45] <eutheria> which linux distro would you guys recommend?
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[14:45] <eutheria> with the pi that is
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[14:48] <plugwash> eutheria, cpc are the best option, farnell are being funny about selling to non-buisness customers and rapid mark up the price
[14:48] <plugwash> http://cpc.farnell.com/jsp/search/productdetail.jsp?sku=SC12590
[14:51] <plugwash> as for linux distros raspbian is the reccomended choice if you either don't have previous linux experiance or are already familiar with debian based distros
[14:51] <plugwash> there are also fedora and arch variants but i'd only reccomend those to people who already use fedora/arch since most of the Pi community is focussed on raspbian
[14:52] <chris_99> i'm not a business and i've got a farnell account
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[14:55] <eutheria> plugwash: i found http://cpc.farnell.com/ is that not cpc?
[14:56] <eutheria> oh good debian, i like debian
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[15:01] <plugwash> eutheria, yeah cpc.farnell.com is cpc
[15:01] <eutheria> sorry so clueless
[15:02] <plugwash> it's kinda confusing, cpc are owned by the premier farnell group and use a subdomain of the farnell domain but afaict they are run fairly seperately from the main farnell buisness
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[15:16] <eutheria> thanks plugwash
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[15:46] <causality> gordonDrogon: re 4d, do you know/remember if you can throw it any old serial comments (from the full-on spe mode) whilst running visi code from sd?
[15:47] <gordonDrogon> not sure what you mean there.
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[15:55] <[Saint]> Since when have Farnell been funny about selling to non-business customers?
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[15:55] <[Saint]> Hat doesn't align with my experience in the slightest.
[15:55] <[Saint]> *That, too.
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[15:56] <chris_99> [Saint], mmm they're fine with me
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[16:03] <tpw_rules> i assume in printing, 'gs' is ghostscript? it's been cranking away for several minutes trying to print a test page
[16:05] <tpw_rules> so either there's a driver issue, the rpi is comically underpowered as a print server, or this is one of those things where they do ray tracing in postscript
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[16:09] <tpw_rules> i'm going to leave it running because i'm getting excited for the most mind-blowing test page possible
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[16:25] * [Saint] pictures tpw_rules clenching a single A4 page with the words "test page" on it in his fist before going on a murder/suicide rampage.
[16:27] <tig|> eutheria: I think the cheapest place is possibly amazon
[16:28] <tpw_rules> my poor little pi is going to burst into flames before this ever gets done rendering
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[16:29] <[Saint]> You may want to have a look at top (et al) and see if its actually doing anything.
[16:29] <tig|> tpw_rules: this is where you find out that the test page has been rendered entirely in white :)
[16:29] <[Saint]> As opposed to simply having fallen over.
[16:29] <tpw_rules> 'gs' (ghostscript?) is cranking at 100%
[16:29] <[Saint]> Swap storm?
[16:30] <[Saint]> What's the usage at?
[16:30] <tpw_rules> what would it swap to
[16:30] <tpw_rules> 32%
[16:30] <[Saint]> If its raspbian, there's a swapfile by default.
[16:30] <tpw_rules> oh eew
[16:30] <[Saint]> It'll try very hard not to use it.
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[16:31] <[Saint]> But, you are...so, yeah.
[16:31] <[Saint]> My guess is its swapping itself to death.
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[16:31] <tig|> on the plus side you could probably cook some marshmallows on it
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[16:31] <tpw_rules> is 'act' the sd access light? that's not on much
[16:32] <tpw_rules> unless lit means nothing is happening
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[16:32] <[Saint]> Swap+SD+OS on said SD=="gonna have a bad time"
[16:32] <[Saint]> (Not always, bit it makes bad cases VERY bad cases ;))
[16:32] <[Saint]> *but
[16:33] <rdo> anyone successfully emulating raspberrypi? I want to do some devel on my laptop whilst traveling but don't want to bring the pi ;-)
[16:33] <tpw_rules> i doubt broadcom would let you
[16:33] <[Saint]> qemu can kinda do it.
[16:33] <tpw_rules> 68 swap unitsused out of 102396
[16:34] <[Saint]> But, really, its not worth it IMO.
[16:34] <[Saint]> Pi is tiny, and will run off the laptop USB.
[16:34] <rdo> [Saint]: yeah, I noticed a few threads, it's mainly for a custom UI that I'm writing, but then again, I could probably get away with coding it in x86 and just copying it to the pi filesystem when ready :)
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[16:36] <tpw_rules> so i can print to said printer over the internet... i think it's just taking millenia to build the page
[16:36] <[Saint]> That really shouldn't be the case.
[16:36] <[Saint]> Even if the OS is very heavily taxed.
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[16:37] <[Saint]> Minutes is "ages" in this case.
[16:37] <[Saint]> Like, single digit, low end.
[16:37] <[Saint]> Its not plotting a trip to the Moon.
[16:38] <tpw_rules> it could be
[16:38] <[Saint]> :)
[16:38] <tpw_rules> well they did that with the apollo computers. the sd card is probably turing-complete enough to do that
[16:39] <tpw_rules> some have 8051s and other miscellaneous micros
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[16:40] * [Saint] hates those words.
[16:40] <[Saint]> "Turing complete"
[16:40] <[Saint]> Its pretty Mich meaningless.
[16:40] <[Saint]> *much
[16:40] <tpw_rules> okay a test page printed from the text editor comes out in like 1.5 seconds
[16:41] <tpw_rules> if this thing is too slow to be a print server i'm going to be Very Sad
[16:41] <[Saint]> No one focuses on the Turing test that's actually meaningful.
[16:41] <[Saint]> "The impersonation game"
[16:41] <tpw_rules> except for the time that we all did but it's bullshit
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[16:42] <tpw_rules> how are the two related in any way? the guy came up with both but they're for completely different things
[16:43] <chris_99> yeah heh
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[16:44] <tpw_rules> a machine that is turing complete can do the same things as any other turing-complete machine
[16:44] <[Saint]> ~
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[16:45] <tpw_rules> *given infinite time and storage space
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[16:48] <[Saint]> As a measure of AI I think its a more useful test for a machine to convince an examiner that it is a subject personally known to them, than it is to simply convince 30% of the judges it is human.
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[16:48] <[Saint]> I think it focuses more on "learning" than foolery.
[16:48] <chris_99> no, it's just that recent abuse of the turing test concentrated on foolery
[16:49] <[Saint]> Well, yes, today's Turing test is a very different creature indeed.
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[16:49] <chris_99> and like tpw_rules said, turing completeness is something else entirely
[16:50] <[Saint]> Maybe the next time someone claims to beat it, it will actually be true.
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[16:58] <tpw_rules> OH MY GOD IT'S FINALY PRINTING
[16:58] <tpw_rules> I TOLD ALL YOU HATERS
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[17:00] <tpw_rules> (and by "printing" i mean "the busy light has switched on")
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[17:04] <gordonDrogon> one upon a time printers themselves decoded postscript )-:
[17:04] <gordonDrogon> usually with a 40 to 60MHz i860 or i960 CPU too.
[17:04] <gordonDrogon> so the load on the computers sending the documents to them was very light - all they had to do was generate postscript.
[17:05] <gordonDrogon> lpr was simple, efficient and "just worked".
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[17:06] <tig|> tpw_rules: any sign of paper yet?
[17:06] <tpw_rules> nope
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[17:06] <tpw_rules> the printer has a pretty beefy 400mhz cpu and network print functionality
[17:06] <tig|> any whirring or stirring of powersave
[17:06] <tpw_rules> oh now the mechanism is starting
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[17:06] <tpw_rules> wheeeee
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[17:07] <tig|> hang on if the printer has a network card, why are you making a pi print server?
[17:07] <tpw_rules> because i have a non-network printer i wish to attach and it's not compatible with airplay
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[17:08] <tpw_rules> but if it's going to be this horridly slow i may as well hire a scribe
[17:10] <tpw_rules> it does emulate postscript as "brscript" but it still needs a cups driver
[17:11] <tpw_rules> well i'm using a ppd
[17:11] <tpw_rules> i'm not sure how it's taking years
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[17:27] <[Saint]> Non-network printer...
[17:27] <[Saint]> I remember those.
[17:27] <[Saint]> Vaguely.
[17:27] <tpw_rules> mainly it would be convenient to have it available via airprint
[17:28] <tpw_rules> but at this point it's useless. the time spent processing the job is longer than that spent pulling up what you need to print on a pc
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[17:30] <[Saint]> Hell...by now you could've cast your own type and set it in a printing press.
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[17:35] <[Saint]> I count at least one hour, thirty two minutes.
[17:35] <[Saint]> That's one HELL of a print job. ;)
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[17:57] <tig|> do we know if it ever finished?
[18:00] <[Saint]> Some say its still printing, and always will be.
[18:01] <tig|> and that it's ppd is written in COBOL
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[18:19] <shiftplusone2> plugwash, ping
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[18:21] <[Saint]> I...what?
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[18:21] <[Saint]> You need to group shiftplustwo to your main nick ;)
[18:22] <shiftplusone2> never
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[19:26] <ErkiS> has anybody had luck streaming network video from raspberry without a noticeable lag? the best result I get is a 2 second lag, with raspivid | cvlc
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[20:27] <tpw_rules> is there no like x86 to arm recompiler thing
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[20:28] <tig|> tpw_rules: you can cross compile arm on x86 iirc
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[20:29] <tpw_rules> i have a driver tool binary that i'd like to run
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[20:29] <tig|> oh recompile?
[20:29] <tpw_rules> yeah
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[20:32] <tig|> sorry lappy ran out of power
[20:32] <tpw_rules> this stupid thing being a print server may end up being impossible
[20:33] <debichu> hey everyone, i was wondering if any of you have ever stumpled upon one or more instances of sync_supers hogging around 90-99% of the cpu over longer periods of time?
[20:33] <tig|> tpw_rules: if it is closed source I think you will be out of luck
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[20:33] <tpw_rules> fixing ghostscript has broken duplexing, and there's a bug in this driver which means it aliases everything really weirdly. the other driver can't run because it has an x86 filter binary
[20:33] <tig|> :(
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[20:34] <tpw_rules> which is probably the key to it outputting correctly. i suspect there's a bug/translation issue in the postscript emulator. it only happens if you put an image in the page
[20:35] <tpw_rules> mom texts me "HOLY SHIT THIS THING IS SO IMPORTANT YOU MUST DO IT OR I'LL BE FIRED" call for details "please leave a message after the tone" >:(
[20:36] <tpw_rules> hm, my pi says it's 13:37. guess it's time to eat ice cream and watch silly internet videos
[20:38] <tig|> tpw_rules: in that case I suggest it is time for a cup of tea : https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eELH0ivexKA
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[20:39] <tpw_rules> i'll check it out later, i already had plans
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[20:39] <tpw_rules> (on silly internet videos, not for like anything meaningful)
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[20:40] <tig|> I am waiting for a raspbian image to download..
[20:41] <tpw_rules> i'm wondering how a 700mhz cpu can be so slow
[20:41] <tig|> as I am catsitting for a friend and bought a pi with me but then forgot I don't have any of the images on my work lappy
[20:41] <tpw_rules> my first computer was a 300mhz powerbook g3 with 256MB of ram and an internal ethernet port!
[20:41] <tig|> 700mhz is never going to set the world on fire :)
[20:42] <tpw_rules> i later upgraded it with an 802.11b card but i don't remember it being this obnoxiously slow
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[20:42] <tig|> the first one I used was a spectrum 16k so I see it as a bit of an improvement :)
[20:42] <tpw_rules> >THIS JUST IN. CEASE TRANSMISSIONS ON 700MHZ IMMEDIATELY. THREAT OF ACCIDENTAL NUCLEAR LAUNCH
[20:43] <tpw_rules> well with that sort of deal you know what you're getting into
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[20:43] <tig|> tpw_rules: what speed class of SD card are you using, I am not sure what the top speed the pi supports but it could be an io issue
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[20:43] <tpw_rules> i'm like 17 and i think the apple ][ is really freaking neat. sure you have to sit there and wait for it but you can't like expect youtube to work ever
[20:44] <tpw_rules> rather than "GOD MY CELL PHONE IS BETTER THAN THIS"
[20:44] <tpw_rules> i have no idea. it's the one with the logo on it
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[20:44] <tpw_rules> ghostscript turned out to be it inexplicably rendering fonts into bitmaps
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[20:45] <tig|> I think that should be configurable somewhere
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[20:45] <tpw_rules> apparently not
[20:45] <tig|> but that would explain why it was taking so long
[20:45] <tpw_rules> but i'm using another thing now but the drawback is it's broken duplexing
[20:45] <tpw_rules> it seems to send each page to the printer as an individual job
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[20:46] <tig|> hang on are you still trying this against the posh printer with the networking?
[20:46] <Armand> "i'm wondering how a 700mhz cpu can be so slow".. Someone never had to deal with the original Pentiums. :P
[20:46] <tpw_rules> Armand: i did! and they weren't this slow
[20:46] <Armand> lol
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[20:46] <tpw_rules> okay i lied it was a 333mhz pentium 2
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[20:46] <tig|> as this sounds like a device issue wouldn;t you be better off targetting the printer you are actually going to be using
[20:46] <Armand> Dude.. I started out with an IBM XT
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[20:46] <tpw_rules> it is. the networking doesn't do what i want
[20:47] <tpw_rules> Armand: and my point is, now, that thing is really neat and you're patient with it
[20:47] <Armand> "The motherboard had an Intel 8088 microprocessor running at 4.77 MHz, with a socket for an optional 8087 math coprocessor."]
[20:47] <Armand> Hehhe
[20:47] <tpw_rules> you know you're never going to be able to surf the web rather than whining about the stupid web browser rendering too slowly
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[20:48] <Armand> Well, considering my age and experience.. I've used a massive range of systems.
[20:48] <tig|> Armand: speed demon :)
[20:48] <tpw_rules> i made an nes game. 1.79mhz bitches!
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[20:49] <tpw_rules> no, i've used and programmed on a genuine apple ][
[20:49] <tpw_rules> none of that fancy e crap either
[20:50] <Armand> I'm usually playing with Dell R620s, Xeon E5-2620
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[20:50] <tpw_rules> best i got's a 3930k
[20:50] <Armand> cpu[4 x Intel(R) Core(TM) i5-3330 CPU @ 3.00GHz (GenuineIntel) @ 1.60GHz w/ 6144 KB L2 Cache]
[20:51] <tpw_rules> wait @3.00 @1.60
[20:51] <tpw_rules> is that downclocking?
[20:51] <Armand> Auto
[20:51] <tpw_rules> or just confusing
[20:51] <tpw_rules> a
[20:51] <Armand> The CPU clocks up under load
[20:51] <tpw_rules> yea that's what i figured
[20:52] <Armand> I have 2 systems using Q6600s at home.. I love those.
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[20:53] <tig|> we have silly things at work :) E5-2687W processors are silly as they just dump power through them so you have to have motherboards a TDP of 150W :) the stock coolers are comical :)
[20:53] <tpw_rules> yeah well i have three boxes with R7700s
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[20:54] <tig|> we have some octocore xeon things now kicking around too, silly performance but good fun for maxing out :)
[20:54] <tpw_rules> around here we call those "space heaters"
[20:55] <tig|> they show up as having 32 cores, as 2 x 8 cores + hyperthreading of each core....
[20:56] <tig|> yet at home I use a HP microserver running a tiny AMD chip and raspi boxes :)
[20:56] <tpw_rules> why 2x8? are they dual-processor machines?
[20:56] <tig|> yep
[20:56] <Armand> Well, I work for a webhosting provider.. We're contracted with Dell. :)
[20:57] <tpw_rules> http://www.www8-hp.com/uk/en/images/HP_3Phase_Plug_tcm_183_1198184.png the power cord
[20:57] <tig|> our dual octocores are dell :)
[20:57] <Armand> We mostly stock R320, R620 & R710
[20:58] <Armand> Plus some honking great IBM SAN that's about �30k
[20:58] <tig|> I think they are R620s I can't remember now :)
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[20:58] <tig|> SANs are lovely :)
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[20:59] <Armand> Sadly I don't get to play with the hardware. :/
[20:59] <tig|> Armand: iSCSI or FC?
[21:00] <Armand> We used both, but I'm not sure about the SAN
[21:00] <Armand> *use
[21:01] <tig|> tpw_rules: not 3 phase but cooked a 16A commando plug once
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[21:01] <tig|> it released magic smoke
[21:02] <tig|> http://www.theinquirer.net/inquirer/news/1048521/dell-power-cables-are-hot-stuff
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[21:05] <Armand> I have just realised that copying over 260GB is going to take a while....
[21:05] <tig|> Armand: if routed via a pi it would take longer :)
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[21:11] <tig|> I think I have made a slight error....
[21:12] <Armand> tig|: Local, sata > sata
[21:12] <tig|> Armand: open a beer then :)
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[21:13] <Armand> I think I'll just lock screen and go home. :P
[21:13] <tig|> / put the kettle on if you are on call
[21:13] <Armand> I'm never on call. ^_^
[21:13] <Armand> My job doesn't require it
[21:14] <tig|> still in the office? stuff that, go home and connect in later to check on it if it is vital
[21:14] <tig|> you work for a hosting company you should be able to do this from anywhere :)
[21:15] <Armand> I have VPN details.. but I haven't even set up my home PC yet
[21:15] <tig|> then it is your own fault :)
[21:15] <Armand> Yup
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[21:19] <Daulity> hi
[21:19] <Daulity> anyone worked with bmp085 before ?
[21:23] <[Saint]> It pays to ask more direct questions. I'm willing to bet you don't particularly care about the answer to that.
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[21:24] <causality> Armand: are you one of those people who calls a disk shelf a SAN? :)
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[21:25] <Armand> causality: I call a SAN a SAN.. :P
[21:25] <causality> Armand: so just the network, then :)
[21:26] <causality> pieces of fibre, switches
[21:26] <eutheria> i can a SAN apple pie
[21:26] <eutheria> err call
[21:26] <eutheria> but then again i don't know anything
[21:26] <Armand> We have a hell of a lot of kit hooked up..
[21:26] <causality> .. to the SAN, right? :)
[21:27] <Armand> Things going any which way. :P
[21:27] <eutheria> can you run android on pi?
[21:27] * causality doesn't have much on the various SAN's.. about 4pb in total, the other 8pb is NAS only
[21:27] <Armand> We've got a "Cloud" hosting platform running over 200,000 websites, we've got private clusters, shared servers, VDS hosts, etc, etc
[21:28] <tig|> eutheria: I know people were working on it but google will probably get better answers, possibly the xda forums too
[21:28] <[Saint]> eutheria: only if you're Broadcomm
[21:28] <Armand> We've even got Windows servers... *gags*
[21:28] <[Saint]> Or, if you like Gingerbread running at 8fps
[21:29] <[Saint]> (Hint: no one does)
[21:29] <causality> Armand: oh
[21:29] <eutheria> you are always serious when you run windows servers
[21:29] <Armand> I hate Windows servers. :P
[21:29] <eutheria> next month iis will over take apache
[21:30] <Armand> Not here it won't... lol
[21:30] <nid0> we get asked to run windows servers on a semi-regular basis
[21:30] <eutheria> check out netcraft
[21:30] <nid0> nothx, find different host
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[21:30] <causality> the ol' netcraft argument.
[21:30] <causality> the only people who care about netcraft are lunix fanboys :)
[21:30] <eutheria> no way
[21:30] <eutheria> iis will be no1 next month with current treds
[21:30] <eutheria> trends
[21:31] <causality> i used to run the largest IIS deployment in the world a decade ago
[21:31] <Armand> You, Sir.. Have my sympathy. :P
[21:31] <causality> nothing wrong with it
[21:31] <eutheria> rather you than me
[21:31] <Armand> hehe
[21:31] <causality> i find it's best to be open minded in this game.
[21:32] <tig|> causality: it is a gig, you do it, move on :)
[21:32] <Armand> Ohh... I have a wealth of experience with desktop support on Windows, but my training in regards to webhosting has focused on Linux so far.
[21:32] <[Saint]> Not hating it helps.
[21:32] <[Saint]> I can't do "just a gig", personally.
[21:33] <[Saint]> I have to actually be happy in my work too, call me old fashioned.
[21:33] <eutheria> somethings about windows eco system are really nice
[21:33] <eutheria> the only issues i have is when i try to take my data out
[21:33] <tig|> causality: don't really envy that one though, mind you at that scale you have maint.contracts and slas with enough people for most of it to be someone elses problem :)
[21:33] <Armand> Well, I am getting my mitts on the Windows servers.. Thankfully I can take the simpler tasks and escalate the complicated stuff.
[21:34] <causality> tig|: this was hotmail and msn
[21:34] <tig|> causality: oh blimey
[21:34] <Armand> I'm expected to do so even with the Linux servers.
[21:34] <[Saint]> I think the word for what you're experiencing is Stockholm Syndrome, eutheria.
[21:34] <tig|> causality: yes there was a reason it was so big
[21:34] <[Saint]> Identifying with your Windows captors.
[21:34] <Armand> Hahaha!
[21:35] <tig|> causality: you had to replace a small number of BSD boxes iirc :)
[21:35] <eutheria> [Saint]: i was asked to take the data out of a dynamics crm2011 server
[21:35] <causality> tig|: yeah, 2000 of them
[21:35] <eutheria> now if i had time i could write an SQL query
[21:35] <Armand> Yay!! 260GB copy done! \o/
[21:35] <causality> the freebsd boxes were the web servers
[21:35] <causality> the solaris/oracle rdms back end lasted a bit longer
[21:35] <eutheria> however you would think you can use the excel export, but no it creates a word doc, and uses a weird OLE to put the spread sheet in
[21:36] <eutheria> so now i need to get hold of real office
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[21:36] <tig|> causality: I raise a glass to you, I remember it at the time :) I also remember thinking I didn't want that job :)
[21:37] <causality> tig|: i wasn't in the core hotmail team, i was in the uk
[21:37] <causality> lead architect for msn
[21:37] <[Saint]> Oh you poor boy.
[21:37] <causality> best job i've ever had
[21:37] <[Saint]> And/or girl.
[21:37] <causality> great company, even with the brainwashing
[21:38] <Armand> Right.. I'm offing.
[21:38] <Armand> Be good, y'all! .o/
[21:38] <[Saint]> Na.
[21:38] <[Saint]> ;)
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[21:41] <tig|> causality: people in the team make or break the job :) I use anything I can get my mitts on :)
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[21:42] <causality> you're not wrong
[21:44] <eutheria> what sensors can i get for a pi?
[21:45] <tig|> eutheria: blimey all sorts of things, what kind of thing are you interested in
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[21:46] <eutheria> just curious right now
[21:46] <causality> any sensor
[21:46] <eutheria> i will google
[21:46] <tig|> weather, distance, motion, location, temp, humidity
[21:46] <Daulity> [Saint]: just wondering.
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[21:48] * Daulity is currently working on a weatherstation with the pi. it can already do air pressure humidity, light values. and temperature ofcourse :)
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[21:48] <tig|> eutheria: I am not a gpio expert but I have got distance sensors working (really easy) and have got remote control plugs working and then moved onto a servo and made my kettle voice operated but I just built it up from existing tutorials and information :)
[21:48] <eutheria> i wanted to read the power of my servers
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[21:49] <tig|> eutheria: as in the power draw?
[21:49] <eutheria> yes
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[21:49] <tig|> eutheria: can't you get that from the UPS?
[21:49] <eutheria> what ups?
[21:49] <eutheria> :)
[21:49] <tig|> ah :)
[21:49] <causality> eutheria: hall effect current transducer
[21:50] <causality> try not to electrocute yourself
[21:50] <eutheria> thanks
[21:50] <eutheria> i will try
[21:50] <eutheria> not the first time that has happened
[21:51] * tig| would just get one of those already made draw devices, put at webcam at it and then work on OCR :)
[21:51] <causality> electrocution != electric shock
[21:51] <causality> electrocution is pretty final.
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[21:51] <eutheria> i made a dc circuit once
[21:52] <eutheria> scary as it crept up my arm
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[21:53] <tig|> am I misremembering pointless info of did Edison electrocute an elephant with DC just to promote AC
[21:53] <tig|> there was something really odd like that
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[21:56] <eutheria> thanks causality that was what i was looking for
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[22:00] <juniour> hi
[22:01] <juniour> hi i have a sd card i installed raspberry pi and sdcard size is 16 gb but i am only able to use approx 2.5
[22:02] <juniour> y???
[22:02] <shiftplusone> expand the fs using raspi-config
[22:02] <ShorTie> did you run raspi-config and expand the file system ??
[22:02] <tig|> juniour: run sudo raspi-config and you can expand the filing system to the whole 16gig
[22:02] <juniour> k let me try and seee
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[22:08] <juniour> thanks :)
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[22:46] <smrtz|nix> Anyone here calling bash scripts with Upstart? I'm a bit confused on how to do that. Some websites say "exec ./..." and others say "exec bash -c /..."
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[22:49] <juniour> smrtz|nix create ur script give executable permission. cd ~/.profile go to last and add ./your_script
[22:50] <smrtz|nix> juniour: Why that over Upstart or Init?
[22:51] <juniour> smrtz|nix you can use cron
[22:51] <smrtz|nix> juniour: Also, the user never logs in, will .profile still be run?
[22:51] <smrtz|nix> juniour: why do you recommend that over Upstart?
[22:52] <juniour> nope if user not logged in i think it will not start
[22:52] <smrtz|nix> Ahh, maybe I can set it so the user auto logs in.
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[22:52] <juniour> by the way wt you want to do??
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[22:53] <smrtz|nix> juniour: I've got the Pi in an autonomous aircraft doing file managment. And I need to run some scripts at boot.
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[22:54] <juniour> ohhh then u need to use upstart
[22:54] <smrtz|nix> That's what I was thinking.
[22:54] <juniour> yea as u told u need at boot time not after user logs in right
[22:54] <juniour> ??
[22:54] <smrtz|nix> Can you help me find the error in this upstart script please? http://ix.io/d1Y
[22:54] <juniour> k
[22:54] <smrtz|nix> Yeah, right.
[22:54] <smrtz|nix> Awesome, thanks!
[22:56] <juniour> bro no need to use exec function. if you give executable permission to your script. then this is enough ./home/pi/git/rpi/SCPscript.sh instead exec ./home/pi/git/rpi/SCPscript.sh
[22:57] <smrtz|nix> Oh, awesome!
[22:57] <juniour> u need to check internet connectivity ???
[22:57] <smrtz|nix> so if the script needs to be run as root, what permitions do I give the Upstart script?
[22:58] <smrtz|nix> juniour: yeah, those two scripts use SCP and SSH.
[22:58] <juniour> sudo chmod u+x your_script
[22:58] <smrtz|nix> the SCPscript.sh, or Upstart.conf
[22:58] <smrtz|nix> ?
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[22:59] <juniour> SCPscript.sh
[22:59] <smrtz|nix> And I just leave Upstart.conf as a text file? Don't chown or chmod it at all?
[23:00] <juniour> yea its configuration file. you dont need to give executablel permission
[23:00] <smrtz|nix> Great, thanks!
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[23:14] <anev> are there only certain keyboards which work with rpi?
[23:15] <Encrypt> Nope
[23:15] <Encrypt> Most USB keyboards will work
[23:15] <anev> at the moment, i'm plugging in a dell keyboard, standard usb
[23:15] <juniour> all usb based keyboard work for pi
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[23:15] <anev> and it appears dead
[23:16] <juniour> is it working on other pc or system ??
[23:16] <anev> yup
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[23:24] <lordsaturn> what would you guys recommend for an arm board than can function as a home theater and web server
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[23:26] <Encrypt> The RPi \o/
[23:26] <Encrypt> :þ
[23:29] <plugwash> shiftplusone, pong
[23:30] <tig|> anev: erm are you trying to use an F key as some keyboards require you to press an F-lock or something similar, usually the first button before the F keys
[23:30] <juniour> smrtz|nix u there???
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[23:33] <l_r> anev, are you struggling to make fbsd work?
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[23:52] <anev> l_r: hit a bump in the road
[23:53] <anev> l_r: basically, i created an ipf ruleset which was a little too agressive
[23:53] <anev> i may have messed up the order resulting in kicking me off the box
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[23:54] <anev> i removed the sd card and managed to mount it in a vm to try disable ipf in rc.conf (and attempted to mv /etc/ipf.rules /etc/ipf.rules.old) but no luck
[23:54] <anev> i had to fsck the partition when i mounted it which seemed to be ok, however, when i mounted the second timet o see if the file was renamed correctly i got a bunch of io errors.
[23:55] <anev> unsure if the use of fsck may have corrupted the disk
[23:55] <anev> but it still boots
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[23:55] <anev> options remaining are 1. use a bsd/linux box to mount the ufs partition and make the changes without using a vm, 2. try find a different keyboard which uses less power (if that is the problem i'm having)
[23:56] <anev> or 3. start again and just dd the image i originally created
[23:56] <anev> i took a "screenshot" of the keyboard error i get
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