#raspberrypi IRC Log


IRC Log for 2014-06-22

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[0:09] <the-kyle> Trying to underclock my Pi when idle. What is the most sane minimum frequencies that will allow it to boot, or does it even make any sense to do this?
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[0:15] <gordonDrogon> the-kyle, doesn't make much sense - you really won't save any power.
[0:15] <the-kyle> Thanks, I'll leave it at the defaults.
[0:16] <the-kyle> Probably explains why I couldn't find anything about minimum frequency settings other than the examples I found that don't work.
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[0:21] <ParkerR> O.o my Arch install had a default gpu split of 312...
[0:21] <ParkerR> wth
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[0:21] <ParkerR> No wonder I was running out of memory occasionally
[0:22] <gordonDrogon> 312?
[0:22] <gordonDrogon> seems rather bizarre.
[0:22] <ParkerR> It was giving 300 some odd megabytes tot he GPU
[0:22] <gordonDrogon> wonder if it was a typo and meant to be 32M
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[0:23] <gordonDrogon> report it to the Arch maintainers...
[0:23] <ParkerR> Ill extract the default fromt he img and see
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[0:29] <ParkerR> gordonDrogon, http://hastebin.com/vizinujabo
[0:29] <ParkerR> Straight fromt he raspberrypi.org download page
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[1:03] <phelix> Anyone know why omxplayer when playing videos the audio always cuts out in any scene that is kind of quite?
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[1:05] <l_r> phelix, i have never used omxplayer
[1:06] <linuxstb> phelix: I've never experienced that with omxplayer. What kind of audio output are you using?
[1:07] <phelix> I am not using hdmi its the audio out
[1:07] <phelix> yah its really annoying.. on a quite scene the audio cuts out and doesn't turn back on until something loud starts up
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[1:17] <phelix> is there another video player for pi that works good?
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[2:35] <burmat> hey everyone, wondering if i can get help on controlling 4 RGB LEDS using a software PWM - and if not, how to understand how to interface with a T.I. TLC5940
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[3:14] <Yugnoswam> does anyone else have an issue where they'll turn their Pi on, and see the power light come on, but it just doesnt boot up?
[3:15] <ShorTie> not really
[3:15] <ShorTie> sound like the sdcard needs re-imaged
[3:16] <burmat> Yugnoswam: happens to me all the time
[3:16] <Yugnoswam> SD card was just replaced 2 weeks ago, and re-imaged on friday
[3:16] <burmat> a few times i thought it was the sd card, but i would come back an hour later and try again and it would work. lately i just unplug everything (i have a powered USB hub that I think might be causing it) and then plug everything back in after 30 seconds or so when you know it is booted
[3:16] <Yugnoswam> wondering if it's a Pi issue or not
[3:17] <Yugnoswam> I can turn it off, leave it for 10 mins, turn it on, and itll work
[3:17] <burmat> yep
[3:17] <burmat> exact same thing i have going on
[3:17] <Yugnoswam> cant just turn it off, back on 2 mins later though
[3:17] <Yugnoswam> its fucking annoying
[3:17] <burmat> yep
[3:17] <burmat> i’m sufferring from random dropped connections on my wifi too
[3:17] <Yugnoswam> I'm wondering if it's a power issue
[3:17] <burmat> and it disconnects from a sleep issue or something
[3:17] <ShorTie> now now, pleaze read topic
[3:17] <Yugnoswam> because ive noticed my pi will reverse power (aka can be powered off the USB-A) ports
[3:18] <Yugnoswam> ShorTie, apologises.
[3:18] <burmat> Yugnoswam: interesting, i didn’t know that
[3:18] <burmat> all i know, is between the booting problem you are describing and the wifi issues i am having, i am getting annoyed too
[3:18] <Yugnoswam> burmat, I've stopped plugging micro-b into it. Can just use a USB 2A powered Y-Cable. Powers my HDD and Pi over the same port lol.
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[3:19] <Yugnoswam> I'll have my Pi off, turn it on and it'll show power light but nothing else.
[3:19] <burmat> yeah, i’m going to end up having to do something similar for a LED/speaker project i am working on
[3:19] <burmat> need power for those speakers
[3:19] <burmat> yep
[3:19] <Yugnoswam> Turn it off and on 20 or so times over half an hour and finally itll boot up.
[3:19] <burmat> and, i never get the green blip either
[3:19] <ShorTie> you guys ever take the time to measure your voltage across tp-1 and tp-2 ??
[3:19] <Yugnoswam> F***ing annoying*
[3:19] <burmat> i haven't
[3:19] <ShorTie> yo, star count
[3:19] <Yugnoswam> ShorTie, 5V 1.9a.
[3:19] <burmat> this just started happening to me yesterday
[3:20] <ShorTie> final warning !!!
[3:20] <kieppie> hi folks
[3:21] <burmat> i’m outta her for the night but Yugnoswam , do me a favor and PM me if you get any info on that
[3:21] <Yugnoswam> burmat, will do
[3:21] <kieppie> I raised this question yesterday, but did'nt get a response at the time - so trying again. can anyone recommend a basic web-admin stack I can load on a RasPi for laymen users that won't be too resource-heavy? maybe something form the stock repo's?
[3:21] <burmat> just started happening to me yesterday and haven’t ran a search yet, but i would love to figure it out
[3:21] <Yugnoswam> so any ideas about the pi issue?
[3:22] <Yugnoswam> It's irritating that the pi will work flawlessly when I have it running. but if it does't feel like booting properly it'll hang with just the power light on
[3:23] <kieppie> Yugnoswam: maybe I can help - sum up the problem pleas?
[3:23] <[Saint]> Yugnoswam: have you actually checked what the power supply from the hub is producing?
[3:23] <[Saint]> Or, if its actually stable at all?
[3:23] <[Saint]> Just "a powered hub" isn;t good enough.
[3:23] <kieppie> ah - yea. RasPi if *very* power-sensitive
[3:24] <[Saint]> The fact that it backfeeds suggetss its not worth owning anyway.
[3:24] <[Saint]> Throw it away.
[3:24] <kieppie> try a 2A USB wall-wart & limit USB devices as NIC & USB's run off same bus
[3:24] <Yugnoswam> [Saint], well I had my pi powered from a 5v1a power supply to micro-b for a while and it did the same. Swapped the PSU out for a 5v1.2a psu and still the same. Currently it's powered by a 5v2Aa PSU over USB-A (instad of micro-b as previous) and it still does the same.
[3:25] <Yugnoswam> Is the pi supposed to power off the USB-A Female ports
[3:25] <Yugnoswam> ?
[3:26] * RaptorJesus is now known as LowSodiumBacon
[3:26] <[Saint]> It can, but, things aren't supposed to give it power unless it asks for it.
[3:26] <[Saint]> Which, it doesn't.
[3:27] <[Saint]> What you've got there, unsurprisingly, is a spec violating hub.
[3:27] <Yugnoswam> still has the issue when its powered off a 5v1a psu to micro-b though
[3:27] <Yugnoswam> huh
[3:27] <Yugnoswam> there's no USB hub in the system?
[3:27] <LowSodiumBacon> you gaiz love me but not that much
[3:27] <ShorTie> those cheap hubs are nothing more then a splitter, not a true hub, that is why it back feeds
[3:28] <Yugnoswam> ShorTie, there's no hub...
[3:28] <[Saint]> Hang on...did you say you're trying to power an external drive from this, and, total input is 1.2A?
[3:28] <[Saint]> That...yeah, that won't work.
[3:29] <[Saint]> edit: /probably/ won't work.
[3:29] <Yugnoswam> [Saint], read again. Before the HDD it was 1.2A. Currently it's 2A.
[3:29] <[Saint]> The pi can't draw that much.
[3:29] <Yugnoswam> 1 PSU. Y-cable splits the 2A power between HDD and RPi.
[3:29] <[Saint]> So, if the pi is powering the HDD, then, yeah.
[3:29] <Yugnoswam> the pi doesn tneed that much anyway
[3:30] <Yugnoswam> the pi isnt powering the hub
[3:30] <[Saint]> ~700mA for the Pi, ~500mA for the HDD, plus peripherals.
[3:30] <[Saint]> Thats not much headroom dude.
[3:31] <ShorTie> don't forget inrush current of the hdd spinup, your causing your self a brown out, which corrupts the sdcard
[3:32] * [Saint] stops typing exactly that
[3:32] <Yugnoswam> not much headroom... it's 2A... The HDD pulls 210ma (measured it)
[3:33] <Yugnoswam> the pi pulls 450ma barely.
[3:33] <Yugnoswam> http://puu.sh/9Eueg.png <-- thats the setup.
[3:33] <[Saint]> The pi *can't* pull in that 2A the PSu is supplying.
[3:33] <[Saint]> So, its *not* 2A.
[3:33] <kieppie> also check under/overclock
[3:34] <[Saint]> In reality, its closer to 1.2Aish IIRC>
[3:34] <Yugnoswam> [Saint], the PSU is 2A. The HDD and Pi are pulling power from that PSU. 2A is more than enough to power both.
[3:34] <[Saint]> Unless you've one of the early models with no protection.
[3:34] <Yugnoswam> I've had the Pi maybe 5 months. the CPU is at 1000mhz. Had it at stock too and still the same.
[3:35] <[Saint]> Sidestepping that for the moment, there's been no word from you as to whether or not the output of the PSu is verified and stable.
[3:35] <ShorTie> you not using a cheap phone charging usb cable are you, those cause server voltage drops
[3:35] <ShorTie> oh, now we are throwing in over clocking, lol.
[3:35] <[Saint]> Fun times.
[3:36] <Yugnoswam> [Saint], considering ive tried 3 different PSU's... And I work for an A/V company and tried their PSUs (which I have the cable spec for), it's more than enough stable power :/ I don't think it's a power issue at all.
[3:37] <Yugnoswam> the CPU isn't overclocked currently. But still happens. It happened from stock
[3:37] <[Saint]> Numbers aren't meaningless.
[3:37] <[Saint]> Claims otherwise, are.
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[3:37] <[Saint]> The very first thing to look at in this situation is the PSU.
[3:37] * LowSodiumBacon is now known as RaptorJesus
[3:37] <ShorTie> have you actually measure the voltage at tp-1 to tp -2 ??
[3:37] <ShorTie> with a volt meter
[3:37] <[Saint]> "I've tried 3 PSUs", is, sadly, also meaningless.
[3:38] <[Saint]> It could be that those 3 PSUs are all crap.
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[3:38] <ShorTie> ^^ very true ^^
[3:38] <ShorTie> and/or usb cable too...
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[3:39] <Yugnoswam> [Saint], as stated above, ive had 3 different PSUs
[3:39] <[Saint]> As I stated above, that means nothing.
[3:39] <Yugnoswam> And had them all on a power meter. All deliverying 5 volts, and the correct ampage.
[3:40] <[Saint]> NOW you say that.
[3:40] <[Saint]> WHen I asked several minutes ago...
[3:40] <Yugnoswam> I said that earlier too :p
[3:40] * ShorTie don't believe ya
[3:40] <Yugnoswam> i said i measured the amp/voltage earlier...
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[3:41] <[Saint]> In this type of situation, it would pay to knock the setup back to the simplest possible configuration.
[3:41] <[Saint]> ie: remove the hub, the HDD, peripherals.
[3:42] <Yugnoswam> what hub?
[3:42] <Yugnoswam> people keep mentioning hubs... I dont have one !
[3:42] <[Saint]> God...it was just an example.
[3:42] <[Saint]> "unplug all the shit"
[3:42] <Yugnoswam> I've tried removing everything so it's literally just a pi with power (over both micro-b and the A port) and still get the issue.
[3:42] <[Saint]> Well, then, you're cursed.
[3:42] <ShorTie> Laughs Out Loud
[3:42] <Yugnoswam> could it be that my pi is fucked?
[3:43] <Yugnoswam> not helpful ShorTie and cosidering you were being picky because I said 'fuck' even with astericks earlier, I'd shuush.
[3:43] <ShorTie> ok, nuff
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[3:45] <kmyst> what package provides the latest kernel?
[3:45] <[Saint]> In raspbian?
[3:45] <kmyst> aye
[3:45] <[Saint]> Ah - what's your definition of "latest"?
[3:45] <[Saint]> As in "latest possible"?
[3:46] <[Saint]> In raspbian, I don't think there *is* a "bleeding edge kernel" package, ala Arch.
[3:47] <kmyst> well i'm apparently running 3.12.22+, dpkg shows headers and an image but not for that version
[3:47] <[Saint]> apt-get dist upgrade will pull in the latest released kernel.
[3:47] * ShorTie sets mode -b *!*@unaffiliated/yugnoswam
[3:48] <[Saint]> rpi-update will allow you to jump to the "next" kernel branch, if desired.
[3:48] <kmyst> basically i'm trying to suss out what's what so i can find the metapackage that'll keep pulling in the latest kernel but also it's corresponding headers, manually pulling down headers so dkms can compile modules is wearing thin :)
[3:49] <[Saint]> kmyst: just a regular 'ol update/upgrade/dist-upgrade will get you there.
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[3:51] <[Saint]> If you're wanting the latest kernel, and a metapackage to bring it in easily, Arch is your friend.
[3:51] <kmyst> [Saint]: i know and i'm there sans the latest headers after that so i'm attempting to rectify the problem so to speak do i do not have to manually pull down headers each time the kernel updates
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[3:51] <[Saint]> Hmmmm, that's, odd. That update path should've brought the headers along with it.
[3:52] <kmyst> that's my thought but nope
[3:53] <[Saint]> Ohhhh, Hmmmm.
[3:53] <[Saint]> "The raspberry Pi Foundation doesn't have/make downloadable header packages for their linux kernels :-("
[3:53] <kmyst> hrm
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[3:53] <[Saint]> found in: http://www.eevblog.com/forum/reviews/howto-get-the-raspian-kernel-installed-with-headers/
[3:54] <[Saint]> good 'ol eevblog
[3:54] <Yugnoswam> So, any theories as to why my rpi will not boot correctly? Is it normal fot the Pi to power over USB-A Female ports?
[3:54] <[Saint]> No. Yes.
[3:55] <Yugnoswam> Anyone else?
[3:55] <kmyst> [Saint]: interested read
[3:55] <kmyst> interesting i meant
[3:56] <[Saint]> kmyst: I found it interesting myself.
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[3:57] <[Saint]> I went off raspbian pretty quickly myself, though, so I was unaware of this entirely.
[3:57] <[Saint]> WHen I first got interested in this, we didn't have fancy netinst packages, and it was too annoying to have to cut out all the unused cruft from the (rapidly ballooning) raspbian images.
[3:58] <kmyst> [Saint]: i've comtemplated doing that but debian is an old hat to me so since i'm familiar with it i stuck with it :)
[3:58] <[Saint]> So, Arch was the answer. For me at least.
[3:58] <[Saint]> It wasn't a shock to the system as I already used Arch at home.
[3:58] <kmyst> never tried arch
[3:58] <[Saint]> On the machines Ms. [Saint] doesn't have to interact with, that is.
[3:58] <kmyst> heh
[4:00] <kmyst> well one of my little pi's is pulling dhcp/dns/kerberos/ldap/radius/samba/afs duties and the udates kinda cause havoc when it comes to dkms modules :)
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[4:00] <[Saint]> I'll bet.
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[4:01] <kmyst> especially since $HOME is mounted via afs shares and that's one of those modules
[4:01] <[Saint]> Hahahahaha. :)
[4:01] <kmyst> yeah haha :)
[4:02] <[Saint]> I bet things get interesting if $HOME can't be mounted.
[4:02] * kmyst is more prone to uttering a string of explictives and fixing it ad nauseum
[4:04] <kmyst> yeah pretty much
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[4:05] <kmyst> still haven't the foggiest idea what package provides my kernel though....this header rpfv thing is pulling in 3.10-3
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[4:08] <[Saint]> Its pretty trivial with Arch. There's linux-raspberrypi linux-raspberrypi-headers and raspberrypi-firmware
[4:08] <[Saint]> Each of what have a *-latest variant
[4:08] <kmyst> yeah it sounds like it
[4:08] <ParkerR> I mean I see the point but my brains hurts reading this post http://www.reddit.com/r/raspberry_pi/comments/28rgvk/posting_here_seems_to_be_becoming_a_daily_thing/
[4:09] <ParkerR> *brain
[4:09] <aitoldce> is there a way to run xbmc on raspbian?
[4:09] <aitoldce> as if i had just installed it from noobs
[4:09] <[Saint]> ParkerR: Oy...
[4:10] <kmyst> ParkerR: ugly
[4:10] <[Saint]> "Not wanting to do the right thing, I started cutting things to pieces and jamming wires places - why doesn't it work? Stoopid raspberry pi"
[4:11] <binaryhermit> I would have returned that thing
[4:11] * [Saint] keeps a PS2 keyboard in his car for ancient BIOSes
[4:11] <ParkerR> aitoldce, Theres this but I think its outdated/a little inefficient to compile it on the Pi http://www.raspbian.org/RaspbianXBMC
[4:12] <kmyst> i'll say one thing though...they aren't afraid of hacking on hardware apparently
[4:12] <ParkerR> I swear I saw some binaries somewhere
[4:12] <[Saint]> There's nothing worse than not being able to boot into a BIOS because it only looks for a PS2 keyboard.
[4:12] <kmyst> [Saint]: amen, same reason i keep one
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[4:13] <[Saint]> USB -> PS2 works, but not, in my experience, PS2 -> USB.
[4:13] <[Saint]> (w/ an adapter dongle)
[4:14] <ParkerR> aitoldce, ooooh
[4:14] <ParkerR> http://mirrors.arizona.edu/raspbmc/downloads/bin/xbmc/xbmc-rbp-20140412.tar.gz
[4:14] <ParkerR> You *might* be able to use Raspbmcs build
[4:14] <ParkerR> I make no guarantees
[4:15] <kmyst> but personally the last ps/2 box i had i took the keyboard and ripped it apart for the cable and board wht lights were on and hacked together an ugly link is up and upstream/downstream ethernet "monitor" using it
[4:15] <[Saint]> "but I simply cannot afford one in the next couple months"
[4:15] <ParkerR> kmyst, you know there is software to do that? :P
[4:15] <[Saint]> That confuses me.
[4:15] <[Saint]> Aren't USb keyboards like, $4?
[4:15] <kmyst> ParkerR: yeah after i did it
[4:15] <ParkerR> Yeah...
[4:15] <ParkerR> kmyst, :D
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[4:16] <aitoldce> ParkerR: i kinda just want to watch 1080p videos from HDMI with sound, able to do that with raspbian?
[4:16] <kmyst> ParkerR: had an itch to scratch, i could do it so...yeah :)
[4:16] <ParkerR> aitoldce, omxplayer
[4:16] <[Saint]> At that rate, this guy must've started saving for the raspi when he was a fetus.
[4:16] <ParkerR> http://omxplayer.sconde.net/
[4:17] <ParkerR> XBMC actually uses code from omxplayer to play video
[4:17] <binaryhermit> xbmc seems to be in the raspbian repos...
[4:17] <[Saint]> Timelord!
[4:17] <binaryhermit> but your mileage may vary significantly
[4:18] <binaryhermit> (and the version in whatever version of debian is stable would be ridiculously old)
[4:18] <kmyst> pffft stable
[4:18] <ParkerR> Arch, wooo
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[4:18] <binaryhermit> it's a git snapshot from 2012...
[4:18] <[Saint]> ParkerR: for added facepalmery, go through the post history
[4:19] <binaryhermit> if raspbian is properly synced to stable at the moment
[4:19] <ParkerR> [Saint], I hate you. i didnt need that
[4:19] <ParkerR> thanks :D
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[4:22] <kmyst> ok i'll bite...what's so great with arch?
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[4:23] <binaryhermit> with raspbian, I think going to jessie is an option, and that gets you XBMC 13.1 RC1. But Testing/Jessie is the slowest version to get security fixes
[4:23] <binaryhermit> anyway...
[4:24] <[Saint]> kmyst: primarily the lack of gigabytes of cruft you'll almost certainly never actually use in day-to-day life
[4:24] <[Saint]> raspbian is an educational distro
[4:24] <kmyst> ok but i'm adept and cruft removal
[4:24] <kmyst> bah /and/at/
[4:25] <[Saint]> Seems a little weird to install a 4GB image and then spend an hour or so whittling it back to the bones, though, no?
[4:25] <[Saint]> Additionally, your header woes wouldn't exist there. :)
[4:25] <kmyst> yeah there's that
[4:25] <kmyst> hmmm never worrying about being able to login would be nice ;)
[4:26] <[Saint]> The only wild different is apt vs pacman
[4:26] <kmyst> ah
[4:26] <[Saint]> But, pacman is easy to learn.
[4:29] <kmyst> well, see i was exposed to linux waaaay back when like late 1995 and generally my "distro hopping" has been linear with slackware, redhat, debian...a few flirtations with gentoo, fedora, and ubuntu but that's about it
[4:30] <[Saint]> Ah. Gentoo. So, you've looked into the face of the beast, and lived.
[4:30] <[Saint]> Arch should be easy, then.
[4:30] <ParkerR> :D
[4:30] <kmyst> yeah gentoo today bears little to gentoo when it first dropped, at least to me
[4:30] <ParkerR> I chnaged hands too didnt it?
[4:30] <ParkerR> Yeah its quite different
[4:31] <kmyst> i dunno it was a short lived affair, less than a year
[4:31] <ParkerR> Mine was very short lived
[4:31] <ParkerR> I got confused and gave up at USE flags
[4:31] <kmyst> lol
[4:31] <ParkerR> And that was coming from using Arch for a while
[4:32] <kmyst> well once debian became "easier" to wrangle i pretty much never tinkered with anything else unless i had to for work
[4:33] <kmyst> [Saint]: actually after being exposed to AIX i now consider that the beast
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[4:38] <ParkerR> kmyst, Ny Pi sitting all cool and idle https://cdn.mediacru.sh/p1RUXQ3SkAgv.png
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[4:41] <kmyst> nice, mine not so much right now :)
[4:41] <binaryhermit> ParkerR: your uptime leaves something to be desired :P
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[4:42] <ParkerR> binaryhermit, Well its used as a bluetooth audio sink :P So if you think of it like an appliance
[4:42] <ParkerR> Thats FOREVER :D
[4:43] <binaryhermit> I'm at 66d23h14m :P
[4:43] <ParkerR> Nice
[4:43] <[Saint]> Mine: http://i.imgur.com/LfW9dSb.jpg
[4:43] <[Saint]> Oh...wait, no!
[4:43] <[Saint]> eeeek.
[4:43] <ParkerR> HAHAHAHA
[4:44] <ParkerR> [Saint], damn your Pi is umm
[4:44] <ParkerR> happy
[4:44] <kmyst> w00t! raspberrypi-bootloader is the offender!
[4:44] <ParkerR> And also growing hair
[4:44] <ParkerR> You should check into that
[4:44] <ParkerR> kmyst, of what?
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[4:45] <kmyst> the kernel
[4:45] <ParkerR> kmyst, I mean what was the issue :P
[4:46] <kmyst> ParkerR: nutshell: when it updates it doesn't pull in the corresponding header, thus dkms can't build a module for afs and my $HOME is happily shared from afs
[4:46] <ParkerR> Ahhhhh
[4:46] <ParkerR> Eeeek
[4:46] <[Saint]> Actually my uptime: http://pastebin.com/SfP8KbWJ
[4:46] <ParkerR> rpi-update ftw!
[4:46] <kmyst> thus, update->reboot->broken
[4:46] <[Saint]> The real reason I freaked out was because I didn't censor my ssh banner.
[4:47] <ParkerR> kmyst, How well does the NFS rootfs work out?
[4:47] <[Saint]> But, it was a pic of Hasselhoff, so...yeah.
[4:47] <ParkerR> [Saint], smooth
[4:47] <ParkerR> Also doesnt quite look like hasselhoff
[4:47] <kmyst> ParkerR: nfs root? dunno
[4:47] <ParkerR> I thuoght that too at first but something seems different
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[4:47] <ParkerR> Oh NFS $HOME
[4:47] <ParkerR> I misread haha
[4:47] <[Saint]> Its a massive 4m long prop from the Spongebob movie.
[4:48] <ParkerR> O.o
[4:48] <kmyst> ParkerR: nono AFS
[4:48] <[Saint]> Currently for sale on Amazon.
[4:48] <binaryhermit> proof of my uptime http://binaryhermit.no-ip.biz/raspberrypiuptime.png
[4:48] <ParkerR> So thats why iuts slightly off :D
[4:48] <binaryhermit> hosted on my rpi even
[4:48] <ParkerR> :D
[4:48] <kmyst> ParkerR: ya know, afs...distributed network filesystem
[4:49] <kmyst> ParkerR: and it works nicely
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[4:50] <[Saint]> I win: http://pastebin.com/9XWryXDE
[4:50] <ParkerR> kmyst, So I misread it again haha
[4:50] <ParkerR> Never heard of AFS
[4:51] <ParkerR> [Saint], haha
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[4:51] <ParkerR> [Saint], how is the SSH login snesitive? its just a blank password and not even that if youve setup pubkeys
[4:52] <[Saint]> The banner, is rather...unwelcoming.
[4:52] <[Saint]> It has a naughty word in it.
[4:52] <ParkerR> Haha
[4:52] <ParkerR> OH that the banner
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[4:52] <ParkerR> I thought you just put that text in there
[4:52] <ParkerR> And removed a giant chunk of text
[4:52] <ParkerR> *that is the banenr
[4:53] <ParkerR> Heh
[4:53] <binaryhermit> wouldn't that be 125 millenia, 7 centuries, and so on
[4:53] <[Saint]> Pffft. Math.
[4:54] <kmyst> ParkerR: just picture a global file share that you can replicate with location independence that's scalable with transparent migration and security and that's AFS ;)
[4:54] <ParkerR> Geeze, I mainly just have pulseaudio running and my load is highjer than [Saint]'s
[4:54] <ParkerR> load average: 0.13, 0.30, 0.42
[4:55] <[Saint]> This runs a quassel core, ntpd, samba, and...not much else.
[4:55] <[Saint]> I suspect that blip in the load was from me annoying it for uname -a
[4:55] <binaryhermit> mine is ssh, and one instance of ssh. there's a lighttpd, but it's mostly idle
[4:56] <[Saint]> errr, ah, yeah - include sshd in the above mix.
[4:56] <kmyst> sheesh by comparison i torture mine compared to all of you :)
[4:56] <[Saint]> it handles quassel duties for about 8 clients, too.
[4:57] <ParkerR> Mine under max load http://i.imgur.com/jgc16DB.png
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[6:01] * [Saint] wonders what the heck YouTube was thinking with the "Allow Fullscreen" toggle.
[6:05] <[Saint]> "Hey, YT just went fullscreen...did you want to allow that to happen, not that you can stop it or anything, 'cos, it already happened..."
[6:05] <[Saint]> VEry odd.
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[6:24] <Xark> [Saint]: Hmm, I thought that was an Adobe flash thing (safety feature so flash apps can't "hijack" your screen).
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[6:38] <FireSlash> Trying to use a USB soundcard (Common chipset) under occidentalis. After some fiddling, speaker-test works as expected, but omxplayer just gives some low frequency noise.
[6:39] <[Saint]> Xark: it would have a pretty hard time being a Flash thing, since its HTML5 based. ;)
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[6:39] <FireSlash> If I switch it back to the on-board or HDMI sound, it works as expected
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[6:40] <Xark> [Saint]: I see. I have seen it on a bunch of apps, not just You Tube, so perhaps browser warning?
[6:41] <[Saint]> Hmmm, it appears to be a Chrome thing.
[6:42] <[Saint]> FF doesn't do it, and FF is using Flash (ick)
[6:42] <[Saint]> Either way, wherever it comes from, its stupid.
[6:42] <[Saint]> "Thgis happen, did you want this to happen...'cos, if you didn't, errr, well...too late, I guess"
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[6:44] <foxtrotniner> has anyone tried to power their raspberry pi thru gpio pins from a DC-DC Buck converter?
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[6:45] <foxtrotniner> as in skipping the protection circuit on the pi
[6:46] <[Saint]> It is possible, but, not advisable, due to what you stated in your last comment.
[6:46] <[Saint]> There's absolutely no good reason to do so, really.
[6:46] <[Saint]> You don;t gain anything.
[6:46] <foxtrotniner> just curious
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[7:10] <FireSlash> So, I switched to a USB audio dongle to get rid of a bunch of the background noise I was getting
[7:10] <FireSlash> except I get far more noise with the dongle... it appears to be died to console keystrokes and system load too, which is bizarre
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[7:22] <FireSlash> just tested on another machine, dongle itself doesn't seem to produce noise
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[7:22] <FireSlash> also tried placing it near high noise devices to no avail. Not sure why the rpi alone is getting this
[7:23] <[Saint]> It *is* right next to an unshielded SoC on the pi...
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[7:23] <[Saint]> Jus' sayin'.
[7:25] <FireSlash> What, the USB audio dongle that I have on a 5 foot USB cable running off the edge of my desk down away from anything remotely noisy? :)
[7:26] <[Saint]> you mean, the cable, that *loves* to suck up and transmit noise? ;)
[7:26] <FireSlash> I hear digital signals love noise
[7:27] <[Saint]> Hire Neil Young to stand next to the pi.
[7:27] <[Saint]> His magical 24/192 powers will scrub out all the noise in the signal.
[7:28] <[Saint]> YMMV
[7:28] <FireSlash> Of course now that I've said all that, I'm half tempted to take it apart and see if they did something dumb like didn't put filtering and decoupling caps in
[7:30] <[Saint]> I would be hugely surprised if they had.
[7:30] <FireSlash> Maybe I'll try to get the m-audio dongle working again
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[7:59] <FireSlash> Ok, gave up on the m-audio. Very little information on it for any version of linux, and the threads I can find end up going nowhere.
[8:00] <FireSlash> Going to try using a powered hub as a line filter, beyond that I might just rip the damn thing apart and add proper isolation and filtering.
[8:02] <FireSlash> Ah good, the hub seems to have worked fine. Might have to look at why the USB supply voltage is so shitty though, probably just means the input voltage is similarly shitty but the pi itself is more tolerant.
[8:03] <[Saint]> The pi is most certainly NOT known for being tolerant of wobbly power supply.,
[8:06] <[Saint]> http://www.reddit.com/r/MechanicalKeyboards
[8:06] <[Saint]> ...o_o
[8:06] <FireSlash> Oh wow, the slightest little thing causes buffer underruns. I guess I'll have to fuck with the config next.
[8:07] <[Saint]> *ahem*
[8:07] <ParkerR> :D Added a wifi AP to my bluetooth audio receiver. Easier config, woo!
[8:07] <ParkerR> Had to compile hostapd from realtek, heh
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[9:43] <gordonDrogon> morning ...
[9:44] <aitoldce> hi
[9:44] <aitoldce> morning gordonjcp
[9:44] <gordonDrogon> He's not here - try #arduino. I'm gordonDrogon
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[10:25] <kandinski> hi, I'm trying to update the rpi's firmware but I get this error:
[10:25] <kandinski> cp: cannot stat `//lib/modules/3.2.27+': No such file or directory
[10:26] <kandinski> what other information do I need to find in order to diagnose and fix the problem?
[10:26] <gordonDrogon> are ou using rpi-update ot apt-get update ?
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[10:33] <kandinski> I got rpi-update via apt-get update install rpi-update
[10:33] <kandinski> then used sudo rpi-update
[10:33] <gordonDrogon> hope you resolve it - I'm off for breakfast, but fwiw, I stopped using rpi-update well over a year ago and only ever apt-get update/upgrade now.
[10:33] <kandinski> it's a fully upgraded debian wheezy
[10:34] <kandinski> oh wait, I dist-upgraded but did not reboot it. Could that be it?
[10:34] <gordonDrogon> unlikely
[10:34] <gordonDrogon> a dist-upgrade hasn't done anything for well over a year now.
[10:34] <gordonDrogon> unless you're upgrade a really old SD card.
[10:34] <gordonDrogon> ie. pre-wheezy.
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[10:35] <kandinski> nah, I put wheezy on this card in November or so
[10:39] <kandinski> so apt-get update it is
[10:39] <kandinski> now rebooting...
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[11:53] <gordonDrogon> kandinski, did the reboot help?
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[11:59] <kandinski> gordonDrogon: yes, apparently it did. It's still working though.
[12:00] <kandinski> (I had to go bathe and feed kids, launched it a bit ago)
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[12:04] <gordonDrogon> if it's right up to date with apt-get upgrade, uname -a ought to say something like:
[12:04] <gordonDrogon> Linux raspberrypi 3.10.25+ #622 PREEMPT Fri Jan 3 18:41:00 GMT 2014 armv6l GNU/Linux
[12:05] <gordonDrogon> I'm actually not sure what the distinction between the apt-get kernel and the rpi-update kernel is these days.
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[12:07] <kandinski> gordonDrogon: 3.12.22 now
[12:07] <kandinski> wow
[12:07] <kandinski> what is that, rpi-update gets a new kernel even?
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[12:07] <kandinski> ok, rebooting now
[12:07] <gordonDrogon> yes - just running an updaet on a Pi I updated a week or so ago - and seeing that it's pulling a new bootloader package...
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[12:07] <gordonDrogon> I think rpi-update was fetching a development kernel.
[12:08] <kandinski> so to be clear, these days apt-get update also pulls in a binary blog for the firmware?
[12:08] <gordonDrogon> yes.
[12:08] <kandinski> oh, silly me, rpi-update was not needed then
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[12:08] <gordonDrogon> the 'firmware' in this case is both the GPU blob and the (open sourced) Pi Kernel
[12:08] <kandinski> and when I apt-get upgrade again, will I overwrite the current GPU blob/kernel?
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[12:08] <gordonDrogon> if there's a new kernel released by the foundation, then yes.
[12:09] <kandinski> ok, then
[12:09] <gordonDrogon> this is rarer than the usual debian package updates though.
[12:09] <gordonDrogon> Linux raspberrypi 3.12.22+ #691 PREEMPT Wed Jun 18 18:29:58 BST 2014 armv6l GNU/Linux
[12:09] <gordonDrogon> yes - so 4 days ago the foundation released a new kernel.
[12:09] <kandinski> so raspbian basically is debian packages with a foundation kernel and blob. Any other raspbpi sauce on top of debian?
[12:09] <gordonDrogon> and it was about a week ago that I updated all my Pi's!
[12:10] <kandinski> gordonDrogon: time to up[date&&grade] again!
[12:10] <gordonDrogon> more or less yes - it also includes the foundation packages for e.g. video playing, camera capture and so on.
[12:10] <gordonDrogon> utilities like raspi-config.
[12:11] <gordonDrogon> the debian packages are compiled specifically for the Pi's hardware.
[12:11] <kandinski> how is that different from generic arm?
[12:11] <gordonDrogon> Debian don't support the floating point ABI that the ARM on the Pi uses.
[12:11] <gordonDrogon> they say it's too old.
[12:11] <gordonDrogon> 3 million Pi's later and they still won't change their mind.
[12:12] <kandinski> is it software-based FP?
[12:12] <gordonDrogon> Debian is, yes.
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[12:12] <kandinski> but rpi has HW support for FP
[12:12] <gordonDrogon> way back you could put the standard Debian ARM on the Pi and it mostly worked, but used to soft-float ABI.
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[12:13] <gordonDrogon> you can compile program to use the hardware FP under Debian, but it still uses the soft-float ABI, so is a little slower
[12:13] <kandinski> thanks for all the explaining, btw
[12:13] <gordonDrogon> Raspbian does it correctly for the Pi's hardware - hardware FP and the ABI.
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[12:13] <kandinski> why can't the RPi use the newer ABI that Debian likes?
[12:13] <gordonDrogon> the ARM is too old. it's Armv6 and Debian like Arm v7 (I think)
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[12:14] <gordonDrogon> I think it's because some v6 chips don't have hardware FP, so they default to something that will work on all v6 chips.
[12:14] <kandinski> isn't it a matter of time before RPi foundation release a new version with the same physical format but beefed up processor/memory/etc?
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[12:15] <gordonDrogon> perhaps - but the time would be measured in years.
[12:15] <kandinski> yep
[12:15] <gordonDrogon> for what it was intended for - a teaching platform - it's perfeclty adequate as it is.
[12:15] <kandinski> sure
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[12:15] <kandinski> I used it at work the other day in the most roundabout way
[12:16] <kandinski> I left my laptop's adapter at home
[12:16] <kandinski> so to save battery, I set up the raspberry pi on a second monitor, and did all my browsing there
[12:16] <kandinski> slow, but workable
[12:16] <gordonDrogon> lots of people are using them in other applications - e.g. sending them up on weather balloons, video advertising boards, etc.
[12:16] <kandinski> (as a master in commercial thermostat systems) <- me
[12:17] <gordonDrogon> I've just built up a motorola lapdock with one with the intnetion of using that in my garden summerhouse rather than take a laptop down with me.
[12:17] <kandinski> but I only did a prototype, I never learnt enough about the OS.
[12:17] <gordonDrogon> people use them to control garage doors, burglar alarms, home security/automation, etc.
[12:17] <gordonDrogon> almost limitless possibilities.
[12:18] <kandinski> supposedly if we take it to production, I'll have to learn how to slim down Raspbian and make it run on ramdisk exclusively. Boot from SD, run on Ram. I still have to figure out how to upgrade it though.
[12:18] <kandinski> yes, I was running CouchDB on it without any problem.
[12:18] <gordonDrogon> there are people running it off the SD card, but with a read-only root filing system.
[12:19] <gordonDrogon> and if it's in an embedded application,then there is no need to upgrade...
[12:19] <kandinski> right, but this exposes you to security problems that may get discovered in the future.
[12:19] <gordonDrogon> only if it's connected to the Internet.
[12:19] <kandinski> you don't want your embedded application to be in 10K houses and then get hacked.
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[12:19] <kandinski> Which it would be, because that's the point of bridging modbus and couchdb...
[12:20] <gordonDrogon> it's already happened with domestic routers, do yes, take precautions.
[12:20] <gordonDrogon> ah, modbus. I was chatting to a local company who're using that to talk to smart meters.
[12:20] <gordonDrogon> they're looking at moving to using the Pi rather than the "dumb" system they currently have.
[12:20] <kandinski> so the balance between being read-only in normal operation, and rewriting the root fs when you want to upgrade. I never got to that point.
[12:20] <kandinski> interesting. Modbus is a pretty dumb protocol, mind you.
[12:21] <gordonDrogon> the key would be limiting the potential attack vectors. So turn off all services, enable iptables firewall.
[12:21] <gordonDrogon> that's done me good on some servers I have that are otherwise open to the Itnernet - running custom applications, etc.
[12:22] <kandinski> But that's what we were doing too. Have something smart enough to talk https and program in, say, python, but cheap enough that you can have it behind a wall, talking modbus to Cold-War-Era HVACs
[12:22] <gordonDrogon> I have one server still running Debian woody (v3).
[12:22] <kandinski> sure, using STUN and no reverse discoverability is a possible solution.
[12:22] <kandinski> We also want to use the RPi to reflash the firmware of the (not really all that dumb but almost) HVAC systems.
[12:23] <gordonDrogon> the strategy I was looking at was the Pi talking to the meter, then storing results locally, and then sending results back to central control periodically. No incomming connections allowed at all.
[12:23] <kandinski> try couchdb
[12:23] <kandinski> master-master replication, always on, recovers well from connection outages
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[12:23] <gordonDrogon> flat files are much better for CSV storage.
[12:23] <kandinski> yeah, you don't need anything synchronised bidirectionally
[12:24] <gordonDrogon> why complicate things. flat files, csv, send it to the remote server and not care about the remote server as long as it accepts the data in csv format.
[12:24] <kandinski> sure
[12:24] <kandinski> we needed to do triangular synch, that is what complicated our things
[12:25] <gordonDrogon> I would actually use sqlite if I needed a local databasey thing - most because I already use it for other stuff.
[12:26] <gordonDrogon> but I try to avoid that sort of stuff if I can :)
[12:27] <l_r> but did not debian switched to providing hw fp arm's images?
[12:28] <l_r> -armhf*
[12:28] <l_r> probably for arm7 and higher
[12:28] <l_r> the rpi is arm6
[12:29] <l_r> if i remember well
[12:31] <gordonDrogon> I'm fairly sure it's arm7 for debian.
[12:33] <gordonDrogon> it's not really important now - Debian missed the boat as far as I'm concerned. Raspbian is just another Debian derived distro and Debian themsevels don't seem too intersted.
[12:34] <gordonDrogon> which is a shame as they could have promoted themselves to 3 million newcomers to Linux.
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[12:36] <gordonDrogon> although AIUI, to debians credit, they're sticking to their principles of not wanting to be involved with "binary blob" firmware, although there has been none of that in the Linux side of the Pi for some time now.
[12:37] <gordonDrogon> I see the gpu and its blob as nothing that different to a modern PC with its closed source bios though. its no more or less a binary blob than the Pi's gpu boot code is.
[12:37] <gordonDrogon> distro politics, eh?
[12:37] <gordonDrogon> but I've been running Debian on my desktop, laptops, etc. for over 18 years now.
[12:38] <kandinski> like Joey Hess
[12:38] <kandinski> (I just read he went Debian-Only in 1996)
[12:41] <l_r> gordonDrogon, the comparison is not exactly the same :)
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[12:42] <l_r> the gpu for the rpi is more than what a bios is for a pc
[12:44] <gordonDrogon> sure - but it's an analogy.
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[14:16] <gordonDrogon> Hm. Why do people buy dodgy stuff off ebay then try to make it work with the Pi - please don't do it!
[14:18] <Textmode> refering to anything specific?
[14:18] <winlu> everything around the rpi is a bit dodgy
[14:19] <winlu> just look at the power supplies listed on amazon
[14:19] <Textmode> last I checked, there still wasn't any official source for aussie standard power supplies...
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[14:20] <gordonDrogon> I frequently get emails from people who want to interface some weired board they bought off some chinese seller on ebay - mostly relay boards. they're all (mostly) desgned for 5v arduinos...
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[14:21] <gordonDrogon> Textmode, isn't there a farnell/cpc/elemoent14 down under?
[14:21] <Textmode> yeah, they sold US wallwarts, last I checked.
[14:28] <gordonDrogon> anything that says it can supply at least 1amp *should* work though... sadly some don't. the Farnell/e14/cpc ones do work well though.
[14:29] <gordonDrogon> I have a mixture of PSUs - most at 1A, but 2 are 700mA, but they're what I might consider "quality" ones - ie. from decent makers. one 700mA one does struggle with motors on the Pi that the others don't.
[14:30] <gordonDrogon> I have a powered hub with a 2A PSU - that's good to power 3 Pi's when I've been desperate...
[14:31] <winlu> depends, i have a noname one which 'should' generate something around 1.4A but I never measured it, and run into problems as soon as i touched overclocking even a little bit
[14:32] <winlu> the 2A loader for my phone works great though :P
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[14:32] <winlu> its such a mixed bag with psu's I feel, even if you buy two identical ones on amazon one can be great, and the other one rubbish
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[14:39] <gordonDrogon> overclocking can "spike" the load of PSUs - some might not be able to cope with the sudden demand. Theres a lot to be said for old inefficient transformer PSUs ...
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[14:41] <gordonDrogon> I think most of the UK sellers have cottoned on to this though - and are supplying PSUs they've tested themselves so I'm happy to buy them.
[14:47] <CarryA1911> winlu: How do u know if the pwr supply is good?
[14:47] <Peio> if it works it's good ?
[14:47] <CarryA1911> I've been looking at an amazon 'kit'
[14:48] <CarryA1911> Brilliant!
[14:49] <ppq> the samsung ETA-U90E PSU is good. but even there you get fakes sometimes. it's a tragedy
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[14:49] <CarryA1911> http://www.amazon.com/dp/B00GGM0Y66/ref=twister_B00JLIJ8OG
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[17:41] <MarcDJay> Hi, does anyone know what happened to the Arch Linux download on the Pi website? The link to the zip 404's and the torrent doesn't appear to be working
[17:42] <shiftplusone> MarcDJay, works here
[17:42] <shiftplusone> http://director.downloads.raspberrypi.org/arch/images/arch-2014-05-06/ArchLinuxARM-2014.05-rpi.img.zip ?
[17:43] <MarcDJay> strange, it works here now too. I tried it literally 2 minutes before popping here :s
[17:43] <shiftplusone> if it doesn't work, download from here http://archlinuxarm.org/os/ArchLinuxARM-rpi-latest.zip
[17:43] <shiftplusone> ah, okay
[17:43] <MarcDJay> Don't I feel silly now lol
[17:44] <shiftplusone> heh
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[17:45] <shiftplusone> argh... my neighbour has been playing the ukulele all day... badly. I'm not a fan. =/
[17:45] <Textmode> :/
[17:45] <shiftplusone> How the hell do you just alternate between two chords all day without getting bored!?
[17:45] <MarcDJay> Not good
[17:45] <MarcDJay> You should learn the vuvuzela
[17:45] <shiftplusone> heh
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[17:57] <tig|> I have just put my soldering kit away :)
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[18:01] <tig|> wired up a 16x2 lcd display and a temperature sensor
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[18:03] * tig| glances at pi and notices it is 25c here and 37% humidity apparently
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[18:06] <nerdboy> i'd prefer the little 1-wire weather kit
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[18:16] <tig|> this was more for indoor conditions and was pleasantly suprised how easy it was to hook up
[18:16] <tig|> https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Bqvm7uaIEAAw8Rr.jpg:large
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[18:26] <shiftplusone> Love those timber cases
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[18:32] <l_r> tig|, where did u buy the case
[18:32] <tig|> l_r: it is a pimoroni pibow
[18:32] <tig|> l_r: it is a pimoroni pibow timber
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[18:34] <tig|> http://shop.pimoroni.com/ are the manufacturers but they are available from most pi suppliers and amazon etc
[18:35] <tig|> http://shop.pimoroni.com/products/pibow-timber
[18:35] <l_r> tig|, is the csi connector accessible?
[18:37] <SpeedEvil> l_r: That's quite irrelevant - there are no CSI screens
[18:38] <shiftplusone> SpeedEvil, mixing up CSI and DSI?
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[18:38] <SpeedEvil> Well, there are no camera or display modules.
[18:38] <SpeedEvil> using CSI or DSI
[18:38] <shiftplusone> O_o
[18:39] <shiftplusone> what's the official camera module I'm plugging into the CSI connector doing then?
[18:39] <SpeedEvil> ^approved by the Pi foundation, with drivers
[18:39] <SpeedEvil> err
[18:39] * SpeedEvil is not awke
[18:39] <SpeedEvil> and yes - I meant only display
[18:39] <shiftplusone> happens
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[18:40] <tig|> there is a slot in the top which you can thread a csi connector through but you can also thnread them between the layers anyway
[18:40] <l_r> there is a camera mount from pimoroni... but it seems it 's only useful for the sensor itself, not for the cable
[18:41] <l_r> http://shop.pimoroni.com/blogs/news/7987093-pibow-and-the-camera-module
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[19:32] <MrHacks> An improper shutdown ate mongodb's daemon mongod. There's 16 hours of installation I have no plans on redoing.
[19:33] <ShorTie> bummer
[19:33] <MrHacks> "startpar service(s) returned failure...mongod" or something
[19:35] <MrHacks> I ran fsck. It practically did nothing to fix it. fsck also never seems to fix that corruption bit in the boot partition so I get that stupid warning everytime my pi starts up.
[19:36] <MrHacks> There needs to be a better way to get a simple NoSQL database running on Raspberry Pi.
[19:36] <ath1> sometimes when I save a file in vi there is an unusual long delay (several seconds) before it returns. Is this normal behavior or should I look for another sd-card?
[19:37] <MrHacks> ath1: anything elese wrong with your pi's behavior? If not, that's probably normal. (That's 700MHz CPUs for you.)
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[19:38] <ath1> everything else is normal
[19:39] <MrHacks> Then it's nothing too much to worry about. How large was the file?
[19:39] <ath1> just a few lines
[19:40] <MrHacks> Are you using the GUI or command line?
[19:40] <ath1> command line
[19:40] <MrHacks> s/GUI/Desktop Environment/g
[19:43] <ath1> btw is there a raspbian package for vice (Versatile Commodore Emulator) anywhere?
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[19:50] <shiftplusone> if I recall correctly, it's not in raspbian because it's a contrib package. you can build it yourself from the debian armhf sources
[19:51] <shiftplusone> http://ftp.de.debian.org/debian/pool/contrib/v/vice/vice_2.3.dfsg-4.dsc
[19:54] <ath1> sorry I'm not too familiar with debian (I'm used to SUSE). How do I have to apply this dsc file?
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[19:56] <shiftplusone> Not familiar with debian packages either, so I'll leave it to you. I just know I've built it before and it worked.
[19:57] <ath1> what about just installing the .deb package that's in this directory?
[19:58] <ath1> http://ftp.de.debian.org/debian/pool/contrib/v/vice/vice_2.4.dfsg+2.4.6-2_armhf.deb
[19:58] <ppq> if you want to build it, you'll need the Build-Depends as referenced in die .dsc file
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[19:59] <shiftplusone> ath1, that's not the right arch
[19:59] <shiftplusone> ath1, debian armhf is armv7. pi is armv6, so you can't just use the .dev
[19:59] <shiftplusone> *deb
[20:00] <ath1> i see
[20:01] <ath1> in suse you can build a rpm from a spec file with "rpmbuild". Is there a similiar command in debian?
[20:02] <shiftplusone> that's how the dsc thing works
[20:03] <shiftplusone> It's just a command or two... I don't know off the top of my head what they are
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[20:04] <ath1> ok, I found a nice description on debian.org
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[21:23] <brian1001> hi everyone
[21:24] <shiftplusone> hi
[21:24] <brian1001> hey Shiftplusone
[21:24] <brian1001> you were right earlier ....
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[21:25] <brian1001> owncloud doesn't run good on a raspberry pi (too slow)
[21:25] <brian1001> but i found a good alternative , called bt sync
[21:25] <brian1001> that one does the job for me
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[21:27] <shiftplusone> yup, good to hear
[21:28] <shiftplusone> Haven't tried bt sync myself yet, since I don't understand it
[21:28] <brian1001> it is great seriously
[21:28] <shiftplusone> and if I don't understand it, it's evil.
[21:28] <brian1001> very similiar to the normal 'dropbox'
[21:28] <brian1001> it just works here for me , easy to set up and such
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[21:30] <brian1001> can someone maybe please helpe me on the right track wiht connecting my 12 V pir in a good way to the raspberry (i have a website which shows a scheme but erm ...im not smart enough)
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[21:33] <shiftplusone> links?
[21:34] <brian1001> http://oddwires.co.uk/alarm/circuit/
[21:34] <brian1001> i only want o connect a few PIRs to it ...
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[21:38] <shiftplusone> yup... looks like text alright
[21:38] <shiftplusone> (a bit too busy to skim through it right now, but good luck)
[21:38] <brian1001> thank you
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[21:49] <FireSlash> Does the rpi's spi port support multimaster mode?
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[21:50] <FireSlash> Looks like no. Can't do i2c slave either. Or spi slave.
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[22:01] <Encrypt> Hi everybody!
[22:01] <Encrypt> I have a question about SD Cards
[22:02] <Encrypt> If I buy a 16GB SD Card instead of a 8GB one...
[22:02] <Encrypt> Will it last longer?
[22:02] <rikkib> No
[22:02] <Encrypt> There is no software wear levelling so... :/
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[22:05] <ShorTie> have you thought about a usb stick instead of a bigger sdcard ??
[22:07] <Encrypt> ShorTie, Yes :)
[22:08] <Encrypt> But it is the same...
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[22:19] <Em1l14n0> Hi!! New to the channel and to RPi - looking for some help setting up bluetooth, anyone can help?
[22:22] <Em1l14n0> anyone online at all?
[22:22] <Em1l14n0> :)
[22:23] <tig|> Em1l14n0: I am online but not able to help right now but other people may be
[22:24] <Em1l14n0> thanks :) - thought I had wrong IRC setup :)
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[22:24] <tig|> in general rpi and normal desktop linux stuff is the same providing your hardware is supported
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[22:25] <tig|> so usually debian/ubuntu tutorials will put you on the right path although there are a few differences
[22:25] <tig|> step one is to run : sudo lsusb
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[22:27] <tig|> sudo basically means run as the owner of the system and lsusb is the command to list all usb devices that are connected to the USB that it can see and understand
[22:27] <tig|> if you see a bluetooth device in there things will be reasonably smooth sailing :)
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[22:45] <wbk> hi guys
[22:46] <wbk> if i need to get something like NAS, is better rpi or beaglebone black?
[22:46] <pksato> a real NAS. :)
[22:47] <wbk> the choose must be between that two things
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[22:48] <pksato> one of two have sata?
[22:48] <l_r> i don't think so
[22:49] <wbk> no
[22:49] <pksato> bbb ethernet have a proper bus or is connected to usb?
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[22:53] <wbk> pksato: http://elinux.org/Beagleboard:BeagleBoneBlack#Hardware_Files
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[22:54] <wbk> pksato: no
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[22:54] <wbk> it's a separated bus
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[23:00] <brian1001> like a NAS wbk ?
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[23:00] <brian1001> i connected my harddisk (usb) to the PI and i use bittorent sync with it , wich works way better than owncloud on the PI
[23:01] <brian1001> but my other NAS, rocks ....(its faster)
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[23:02] <pksato> wbk: you have a winner.
[23:04] <brian1001> i had to use teh NTFS-3g on the pi since my harddisdk was NTFS formatted
[23:04] <brian1001> that slowed things downa
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[23:06] <Serus> hello
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[23:11] <Serus> general question: what's your experience with 10 bit mkv's on the pi? up to what quality does it handle it? if it all.
[23:12] <brian1001> no it works bad
[23:12] <Serus> every quality?
[23:12] <wbk> brian1001, rpi is all the time connected?
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[23:12] <brian1001> i tried this : i connected my pi to the TV, XBMC
[23:12] <Serus> or weren't you answering me brian1001?
[23:13] <brian1001> and noticed that it works Serus, but it is a slow device for full HD MKVs, i gave up
[23:13] <brian1001> i didnt overclocked it or anything
[23:13] <brian1001> wbk: yes ....all the time wiht a lot of DATA
[23:13] <brian1001> its very stable and runs good.
[23:13] <brian1001> but with bt-sync or Samba
[23:13] <Serus> well I heard it does it well for 1080p 8bit video
[23:13] <wbk> brian1001, i get my usb stuck often
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[23:13] <brian1001> ah
[23:14] <brian1001> your powersupply
[23:14] <brian1001> i had that problem too at first
[23:14] <Serus> what's your problem wbk?
[23:14] <brian1001> it just stops working , right?
[23:15] <wbk> Serus: http://pastebin.com/Fn5prGpd
[23:15] <wbk> sometimes usb port strucks
[23:16] <brian1001> yes i had that too , and replaced my 500ma power supply with a better one
[23:16] <brian1001> which solved it here
[23:16] <brian1001> im now using 1A
[23:17] <Serus> in regard to what brian1001 is saying, what are the specifications of your powersupply?
[23:18] <Serus> I think I'm running a 2A one
[23:18] <Serus> let me take a look
[23:18] <l_r> i have 8a
[23:18] <l_r> just to be ure
[23:18] <brian1001> 8a WOW
[23:18] <l_r> yes,i don't know what is the limit though, 1A was not enough
[23:18] <brian1001> i used my phone charger at first but it only had 500 ma
[23:18] <brian1001> 2A should be perfect
[23:19] <brian1001> 500MA for each USB port (i think)
[23:19] <wbk> mine is 1.5A
[23:19] <l_r> brian1001, 2A is good
[23:19] <Serus> 1A if I'm able to read those tiny letters
[23:19] <brian1001> hmm not sure why it resets then , wbk
[23:20] <Serus> and this is a USB flashdrive?
[23:20] <l_r> brian1001, use 2A
[23:20] <Serus> or an external harddrive
[23:20] <brian1001> l_r: ok (ty)
[23:21] <wbk> mine is external hard drive
[23:21] <wbk> with a separated hub
[23:21] <Serus> externally powered?
[23:21] <brian1001> powered HUD ?
[23:21] <brian1001> the hud should be powered too
[23:21] <wbk> but i changed hub, and problem hasn't been solved
[23:22] <Serus> the pi might not be able to handle one that's not externally powered
[23:22] <brian1001> exactly Serus
[23:23] <Serus> if it's not externally powered you could by a different case for it
[23:24] <Serus> a different case only costs about 20
[23:24] <brian1001> im struggling for a while now with (trying to) connect a PIR to my GPIO port of the PI......i think i have a way now but i hope that someone can confirm if im gonna use a good method :D as i dont want to blow up my PI
[23:24] <brian1001> wdk: i think your power supply, the one of the PI might be good , but the HUD has to be powered too
[23:25] <brian1001> the PIR outputs 12V when it sees motion
[23:25] <brian1001> and i want to connect it this way :12V --- 3k3 --- pi input --- 1k2 ---GND
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[23:26] <Serus> wbk: can you please answer my question?
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[23:26] <wbk> i'm sorry
[23:26] <wbk> which one?
[23:26] <Serus> if the harddrive is externally powered
[23:27] <rikkib> Use a 3.3v PIR
[23:27] <gordonDrogon> brian1001, I've connected PIRs up.
[23:27] <ShorTie> externally powered hard drives are the only way to go with the pi
[23:27] <brian1001> rikkib: i have 10 12V pirs in my house
[23:27] <brian1001> and my alarm broke :D
[23:27] <gordonDrogon> not 12v ones though - house alarm types, I guess.
[23:28] <brian1001> Gordon : the normal PIRs are 12V here in the netherlands
[23:28] <rikkib> I would also use a zener accross the 1.2k
[23:28] <gordonDrogon> that's fairly normal everywhere for house burglar alarm types.
[23:28] <brian1001> yes
[23:28] <gordonDrogon> the thing to remember is that the need a settling time.
[23:28] <brian1001> settling time?
[23:28] <rikkib> 3.3k/1.2k are the right value volatge divider for dropping to 3.3v?
[23:28] <gordonDrogon> so some time with no movement so they can work out the IR "signature" of the room.
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[23:29] <brian1001> Gordon: ah! yes
[23:29] <rikkib> zener at 3.6v which is a standard value
[23:29] <wbk> Serus, yes
[23:29] <wbk> powered by a power supply of the external hub usb
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[23:30] <gordonDrogon> 3,3k and 1,2K is ok values.
[23:30] <brian1001> im gonna try to connect those PIRs and will also connect the GND of the RPi to the PIR
[23:30] <rikkib> pir long way away means rf/emi inductions wich may kill rpi after a while
[23:30] <gordonDrogon> and you definately need to connect the Gnd/0v together!
[23:30] <Serus> wbk: wait huh?
[23:31] <brian1001> gordon: yes...im gonna connect the GND of the rasp to the PIRs
[23:31] <Serus> the usb hub is externally powered you say?
[23:31] <wbk> yes
[23:31] <Serus> hmm
[23:31] <Serus> and the HDD itself is only USB powered
[23:31] <Serus> right?
[23:31] <wbk> yes
[23:32] <Serus> hmm
[23:32] <Serus> I'm not sure how well that works out
[23:32] <Serus> I never tried that personally
[23:32] <Serus> but I remember having problems with USB hubs
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[23:33] <Serus> you might want to swap the case with an external one and connect it directly
[23:33] <Serus> to see if that's the problem
[23:34] <wbk> Serus, your usb port never stopped working?
[23:34] <Serus> what do you mean?
[23:34] <wbk> something like in my dmesg paste
[23:35] <Serus> when I was using a hub I couldn't connect my keyboard to it, since it wouldn't power/recognize it correctly
[23:35] <wbk> how do you use your rpi?
[23:36] <wbk> like a nas/server always boot up?
[23:36] <Serus> as a fileserver, irc client and torrent client
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[23:36] <Serus> now also running mpd on it
[23:36] <Serus> I have a 500GB externally powered usb 2.0HDD connected to it
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[23:36] <Serus> and yes, it's always on
[23:37] <Serus> 23:36:49 up 72 days, 4:01, 4 users, load average: 0.47, 0.53, 0.60
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[23:38] <Serus> my hdd only disconnected once due to some power issues, but that was quickly fixed by rebooting the HDD and doing a lazy unmount and then remount/
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[23:39] <wbk> Serus, look at statistics about connection uptime
[23:39] <Serus> hm?
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[23:40] <Serus> not quite getting what you mean
[23:40] <wbk> ethernet is on the same bus of usb port, so, when usb bus is going down, you should disconnect
[23:40] <wbk> internet uptime
[23:40] <wbk> do you know?
[23:42] <Encrypt> I love your answer gordonDrogon here: http://www.raspberrypi.org/forums/viewtopic.php?f=44&t=45151 :D
[23:43] <brian1001> :-)
[23:43] <Serus> wbk: ah, well that happened when I wasn't home
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[23:44] <Serus> and I occasionally disconnect, but that's because of my internet provider and not because of my pi
[23:45] <wbk> can you paste your dmesg log?
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[23:49] <Serus> nothing in it about usb
[23:49] <Serus> only about my router resetting on occasion
[23:50] <gordonDrogon> Encrypt, yea, keep the magic black smoke inside :)
[23:50] <Encrypt> :D
[23:50] <brian1001> i cant wait to try to connect that 12V output tomorrow to the GPIO port (wiht of course the resistors in between)
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[23:50] <Serus> so yeah, the only advice I can offer is that you try an externally powered case and hook it up directly
[23:50] <Encrypt> BTW gordonDrogon
[23:51] <gordonDrogon> Serus, good uptime - just had an email from someone who has to reboot their Pi's every 50 days due to a feature of one of my functions in wiringPi - the millis() function wraps after 49 days and my code using it wasn't checking - I never expected that :)
[23:51] <Encrypt> In a project, I'm using a transistor which base is driven by the Pi GPIO
[23:51] <Encrypt> So, 3.3V
[23:51] <gordonDrogon> Encrypt, right..
[23:52] <Encrypt> And the collector voltage is 5V
[23:52] <brian1001> Gordon: i m also using wiringpi - makes it very easy and does it job great
[23:52] <gordonDrogon> Encrypt, you might need a resistor there...
[23:52] <Encrypt> Do you think I should use an optocoupler?
[23:52] <Serus> gordonDrogon: heh, well yeah, it's a bit hard to test :P
[23:52] <Encrypt> Or keep the transistor and add a diode at its base?
[23:52] <gordonDrogon> Encrypt, no - I'd use it like that myself. stick a resistor there though to limit base->emitter current.
[23:53] <gordonDrogon> Encrypt, assumng npn transisor.
[23:53] <Encrypt> Ok
[23:53] <Encrypt> Actually, there is a 1kohms pull up on the collector
[23:53] <gordonDrogon> brian1001, use the gpio command to make testing easy too.
[23:53] <Encrypt> And a 1kohm resistor on the base to limit the current
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[23:53] <Encrypt> Yes, npn transistor ;)
[23:53] <gordonDrogon> Encrypt, ok. that'll probably be ok.
[23:53] <Encrypt> gordonDrogon, When would I need an optocoupler then?
[23:54] <Encrypt> For voltage differences higher than 10V?
[23:54] <gordonDrogon> Encrypt, you ought to check the data sheet to calculate the right value, but ...
[23:54] <gordonDrogon> Encrypt, anything > 50v for me... but it depends on your wiring, and personal comfort zone.
[23:54] <Encrypt> Ok
[23:54] <Encrypt> Thanks :)
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[23:54] <brian1001> Gordon: yes , it was so easy that i kept using it in my simply python tool
[23:55] <gordonDrogon> anything over 3.3v into a Pi will have the potential to break it.
[23:55] <Encrypt> Yes, sure
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[23:55] <gordonDrogon> brian1001, yea, too easy, but just a simple gpio read <pin> typed at the command-line to test an input is easy.
[23:56] <gordonDrogon> to get clever, then: while true; do echo -n `gpio read $pin`; done
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[23:56] <gordonDrogon> (using echo like that is left an excercise to the reader ;)
[23:56] <gordonDrogon> and I'm off to bed
[23:56] <gordonDrogon> zzz
[23:56] <brian1001> same here
[23:56] <brian1001> good nigh everyone
[23:57] <Encrypt> gordonDrogon, I think I get what you said...
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[23:57] <Encrypt> You're talking about the "maximum collector - base voltage"?
[23:58] <Encrypt> Hum, no, that's something different
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