#raspberrypi IRC Log

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IRC Log for 2014-06-23

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[0:00] * m8 (~m@unaffiliated/m8) Quit (Quit: Sto andando via)
[0:01] * brian1001 (~brian1001@82-168-167-185.ip.telfort.nl) Quit (Ping timeout: 264 seconds)
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[0:06] <ShorTie> you want to look at current to pick a resistor
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[0:32] * toomin (~HomoSapie@unaffiliated/toomin) Quit (Quit: I wish I was a glow worm, a glow worm's never glum, 'cause how can you be lonely when the sun shines out your bum?)
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[0:34] * BigShip (~pi@24-177-2-234.dhcp.nwtn.ct.charter.com) Quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer)
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[0:36] <mike_papa> I'm having trouble with editing lmhosts file on RPI. Should it be placed in /etc/samba/?
[0:37] * JakeSays (~quassel@chat.thatswhatjakesaid.com) Quit (Ping timeout: 240 seconds)
[0:37] <mike_papa> Cause I cannot get any name resolved from this file. I only get names of windows clients that have registered by themselves.
[0:38] * wiiguy (~fake@unaffiliated/wiiguy) Quit (Quit: I just broke my connection, but no worries, we can rebuild it. We have the technology.)
[0:39] * sutty is now known as sutty\away
[0:41] * Hydra (~Hydra@5751c98f.skybroadband.com) Quit (Quit: HydraIRC -> http://www.hydrairc.com <- Po-ta-to, boil em, mash em, stick em in a stew.)
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[1:11] * robmorrissey (~robmorris@cpc26-brig15-2-0-cust123.3-3.cable.virginm.net) Quit (Quit: Computer has gone to sleep.)
[1:13] * sqrrl is now known as sq
[1:21] * osxdude|MBP (~osxdude@unaffiliated/osxdude) Quit (Quit: Smell ya later. Time to sleep. Hold the phone. Don't dial the emergency number.)
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[1:24] * utack (~utack@mnch-5d8742a5.pool.mediaWays.net) Quit (Quit: Verlassend)
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[2:10] * PasNox (~pasnox@2a01:e35:8b61:9b30:818c:adbe:51bd:ba96) Quit (Quit: Leaving - Cross platform IDE http://monkeystudio.org)
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[2:12] * JakeSays_ is now known as JakeSays
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[2:17] * YeahRight (morgoth@5249A753.cm-4-2c.dynamic.ziggo.nl) Quit (Ping timeout: 240 seconds)
[2:18] <Crossfire0mega> hi all
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[6:26] <[Saint]> Afternoon piople.
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[6:31] * Textmode huggles [Saint] :3
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[6:41] * petunia is now known as kitaco
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[6:57] <[Saint]> Well...errrr, OK.
[6:58] <[Saint]> You, uh...wanna go somewhere more private? ;)
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[7:26] <icecube45> Hello!
[7:29] <SirLagz> hi
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[7:30] <icecube45> Can anyone here recommend a touchscreen monitor to me?
[7:30] <icecube45> I'm planning on making an rpi tablet
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[7:32] <[Saint]> icecube45: may I ask *why* you're planning on doing so?
[7:32] <icecube45> Well, because honestly, I'm looking for a project.
[7:32] <icecube45> I love the RPI, however, might end up making one with a beagleboard
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[7:33] <[Saint]> The reason I ask is that making a pi into a tablet costs twice as much as a readymade tablet with easily double the specs or more.
[7:33] <icecube45> Yea..
[7:33] <icecube45> I've seen that
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[7:33] <icecube45> However, I have *most* of the parts already
[7:34] <icecube45> including a 3d printer to make the case and such
[7:34] <[Saint]> And, it is *really* impractical.
[7:34] <icecube45> Yea
[7:34] <[Saint]> Power cables, USB hub, etc.
[7:34] <icecube45> But I mean, still would love a good touchscreen
[7:34] <[Saint]> Great for education.
[7:34] <[Saint]> But, little else.
[7:34] <icecube45> yea
[7:34] <icecube45> Would love a good touchscreen though, I have other RPI projects id use it for
[7:34] <SirLagz> using a RPi Compute Module for a touchscreen would be much more wieldy than using the original Pi for a tablet
[7:35] <[Saint]> The screen will set you back about $180USD
[7:35] <SirLagz> s/touchscreen/tablet
[7:35] <[Saint]> whereas a tablet will cost about the same, or less.
[7:35] <icecube45> See above
[7:36] <SirLagz> but then with the compute module, you'll need to design everything from scratch which would then cost waaay more than a tablet
[7:36] <icecube45> Although on a new note, could you guys recommend a good tablet?
[7:36] <SirLagz> Asus Transformer is always my recommendation, but that's because I'm a fan of the keyboard :D
[7:36] <icecube45> haha
[7:36] <SirLagz> and I like Asus very minimal modifications to the Android UI
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[7:37] <[Saint]> And crap HW. ;)
[7:37] <SirLagz> unlike Samsung's abomination*cough* I mean UI
[7:37] <SirLagz> [Saint]: Transformer has crap hardware ?
[7:37] <[Saint]> Comparatively, yes.
[7:37] <SirLagz> [Saint]: well. yes relatively so
[7:37] <[Saint]> Taking price into consideration, its awful.
[7:38] <SirLagz> [Saint]: which Transformer are you talking about ?
[7:38] <SirLagz> [Saint]: the Infinity ?
[7:38] <[Saint]> Any of them really.
[7:38] <[Saint]> They're all overpriced showpieces.
[7:38] <SirLagz> [Saint]: the TF300 was probably the best bang for the buck. The integrated keyboard is what I bought it for
[7:38] <[Saint]> Novelties.
[7:38] <SirLagz> [Saint]: I could remote to work with my Transformer and use it like a regular PC which was a big bonus
[7:38] <[Saint]> I recommend the Nexus line.
[7:39] <icecube45> I'm glad I got some feedback on this though
[7:39] <SirLagz> [Saint]: Yeah I bought my wife the Nexus 7, and I do admit it is quite a beaut
[7:39] <[Saint]> Cheap, available, updated, unlocked.
[7:39] <icecube45> I really need to finish my current projects
[7:39] <SirLagz> [Saint]: unlocked ? Neither of my Tablets even have 3g/4g capability :P
[7:39] <icecube45> aka.. arcade machine.. 3d printer..
[7:39] <icecube45> new pc..
[7:40] <[Saint]> SirLagz: boot loader, not carrier.
[7:40] <SirLagz> [Saint]: oh right
[7:40] <[Saint]> Be the latter is true as well.
[7:40] <SirLagz> [Saint]: not that 'unlocked' matters to most people :P but Asus Transformer also has unlocked bootloader
[7:40] <[Saint]> *But the
[7:40] <[Saint]> Unlocked doesn't matter to Joe Average because Joe Average is an idiot. :)
[7:40] <SirLagz> [Saint]: though if you unlock the bootloader, Asus won't touch you with a 40ft pole until you relock it
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[7:41] <SirLagz> [Saint]: agreed :D
[7:41] <SirLagz> [Saint]: I havn't really needed to use anything on my tablet that actually required unlocking the bootloader though
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[7:42] <SirLagz> [Saint]: Apart from tinkering "just because", I'm curious if there are any actual features of benefit to me which would justify unlocking the bootloader
[7:42] <[Saint]> I build me own ROMs, so it's somewhat of a necessity if there's no active exploit.
[7:42] <SirLagz> [Saint]: ah. Well obviously unlocked bootloader is a neccesity for yout hen :D
[7:42] <SirLagz> then*
[7:42] <SirLagz> [Saint]: any particular reason why you build your own ROMs ? Just to clean out the gunk ?
[7:43] <[Saint]> Samsung.
[7:43] <SirLagz> ahhhhh explains it all :D
[7:43] <[Saint]> ;)
[7:43] <SirLagz> that's why I don't buy Samsung :P
[7:43] <SirLagz> Also why I'm never buying HTC
[7:43] <icecube45> i need to get better with my order habbits
[7:43] <icecube45> I always order on like a wednesday.. that way the weekend pops up in there
[7:43] <icecube45> and extends the time by 2 days
[7:43] <icecube45> uughh
[7:44] <SirLagz> icecube45: haha
[7:44] <[Saint]> They make great HW. But I'm not a fan of the 4GB of bloatware and irrelevant reproductions of Google Apps.
[7:44] <SirLagz> [Saint]: indeed. I'm of the same opinion
[7:44] <icecube45> currently waiting on pc parts from illanois..
[7:44] <[Saint]> Why do we need two copies of every app? Gah.
[7:44] <SirLagz> [Saint]: Hence why I bought a Sony Xperia Z2 this time around
[7:44] <icecube45> and ofc my headset broke saturday
[7:44] <[Saint]> One from Samsung, or maybe even two, and the one from Google they're obligated to include and wouldn't if they didn't have to.
[7:44] <icecube45> so that way support wont get back to me until tomorrow..
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[7:45] <[Saint]> Which is why they're planning on switching to (yuck) Tizen across the board.
[7:45] <[Saint]> To break out of the Googlesphere.
[7:45] <SirLagz> [Saint]: Is Tizen that bad ?
[7:45] <[Saint]> It's no Android.
[7:45] <[Saint]> That's certain.
[7:45] <SirLagz> haha
[7:46] <SirLagz> It's not SamDroid you mean ? :P
[7:46] <SirLagz> Samsungs Android is almost a different monster to Vanilla Android
[7:46] <[Saint]> Oh, completely.
[7:46] <icecube45> what can of worms did I open..
[7:47] <[Saint]> They've done a pretty good job of making Tizen look identical to Android/TouchWiz
[7:47] <SirLagz> [Saint]: Not hard seeing as how all they had to do was copy SamDroid graphics :P
[7:47] <SirLagz> [Saint]: Your ROMS - Are they all based of AOSP ?
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[7:49] <[Saint]> Yeah, I'm on a real AOSPA kick right now, back to basics.
[7:49] <[Saint]> I like PA because of Peek and Hover.
[7:50] <[Saint]> And AOSP in general because its so minimal and without fuss.
[7:50] <[Saint]> The stuff CM adds is all well and good, and mostly useful, but it all adds up to really hammer the battery.
[7:51] <SirLagz> [Saint]: AOSPA ?
[7:51] <[Saint]> AOSP vs CM11 yields a ~20% runtime improvement
[7:51] <SirLagz> nice
[7:51] <[Saint]> SirLagz: Paranoid Android
[7:51] <SirLagz> ahhh
[7:51] <[Saint]> Its AOSP with a few fancy bits
[7:51] <SirLagz> Mate of mine was using Parandoid Android
[7:52] <SirLagz> Seemed pretty slick on his HTC Sensation ? I think he had
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[7:53] <SirLagz> [Saint]: Peek looks like a pretty nifty feature
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[7:56] <SirLagz> [Saint]: Hover seems really cool too
[7:57] <SirLagz> [Saint]: Pity I can't try it without flashing a PA rom lol
[7:57] <[Saint]> You can, actually.
[7:57] <[Saint]> Via Closed Framework.
[7:57] <SirLagz> really ?
[7:57] <SirLagz> ah
[7:57] <[Saint]> *Xposed
[7:57] <[Saint]> Damn autocomplete
[7:57] <SirLagz> lol
[7:58] <SirLagz> more messing about though haha
[7:58] <[Saint]> If you're rooted, Xposed Framework provides all the necessary hooks to provide such functionality without touching the ROM itself.
[7:58] <SirLagz> [Saint]: Not rooted lol
[7:58] <[Saint]> There's little to no messing around involved.
[7:59] <[Saint]> Install an apk, download and activate desired module, reboot, done.
[7:59] <SirLagz> nice
[8:00] <[Saint]> You wouldn't need to be rooted if you have RW to /system and could flash in the framework.
[8:00] <SirLagz> heh
[8:00] <SirLagz> true
[8:00] <[Saint]> Root is only needed for system RW at install time.
[8:00] <SirLagz> I'm not that interested in playing with ROMs and whatnots nowadays though. My phone works well enough without root nowadays
[8:00] <SirLagz> Back on my HTC Desire, things were different
[8:01] <SirLagz> But now, I find that I don't actually need to root my phone anymore
[8:01] <[Saint]> I think custom ROMs are pretty much dead now.
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[8:01] <[Saint]> AOSP+Xposed gives one the exact same functionality.
[8:01] <SirLagz> Depends on the phone. I'm pretty ROMs for Samsung phones will continue to pour in :P
[8:01] <SirLagz> pretty sure*
[8:02] <SirLagz> [Saint]: ahh, you meant it that way
[8:02] <SirLagz> [Saint]: Well there's always going to be people who want a flash and run solution
[8:03] <SirLagz> Interesting. Asus are releasing a Transformer with an Atom
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[8:06] <[Saint]> One of my favorite personal modifications at the moment is changing the Google Now "OK, Google..." hotword to "Yo, Google Bitch..."
[8:06] <SirLagz> bahahahaha
[8:06] <SirLagz> nice
[8:06] <SirLagz> My phone's microphone isn't sensitive enough to use Google Now int he car
[8:06] <SirLagz> I was trying to send a message and had to yell at the phone to get it to do anything haha
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[8:13] <icecube45> ok google
[8:13] <icecube45> OK GOOGLE?
[8:13] <icecube45> I SAID OOOOKKAAAAYYY GOOOOGGGLEEE
[8:13] <SirLagz> OOOOOOOOOOOOOOKAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAYYYY GOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOGLE
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[8:13] <SirLagz> *phone*...twiddles volume rockets
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[8:16] <icecube45> so err
[8:16] <icecube45> to recap
[8:16] <icecube45> recommendations on tablets?
[8:16] <SirLagz> lol
[8:16] <SirLagz> Not samsung:P
[8:16] <icecube45> haha..
[8:16] <icecube45> cmon, list one
[8:16] <SirLagz> we all agree, Samsung is shit.
[8:17] <SirLagz> icecube45: what do you want to do with the Tablet ?
[8:17] <icecube45> Just have a decent tablet
[8:17] <icecube45> preferably running ubuntu
[8:17] <SirLagz> icecube45: to...watch movies on ? read ebooks on ?
[8:17] <icecube45> A nice mobile tablet
[8:17] <icecube45> for movies/whatever
[8:17] <SirLagz> Nexus 7
[8:17] <icecube45> eh..
[8:17] <SirLagz> icecube45: so in other words, you'll probably never use the tablet :P
[8:17] <icecube45> No, ill use it
[8:17] <icecube45> XD
[8:18] <SirLagz> I bought my Transformer originally so i could work from home easier...then they moved me to another site and I didn't need to work from home anymore
[8:18] <SirLagz> Barely use my tablet now lol
[8:18] <icecube45> haha
[8:18] <icecube45> Always nice to have it though
[8:19] <SirLagz> true
[8:19] <SirLagz> I use it to watch movies at work now
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[8:19] <SirLagz> I'm working hard at hardly working
[8:19] <icecube45> haha
[8:19] <icecube45> whatcha do?
[8:19] <SirLagz> Systems Engineer/Admin
[8:19] <icecube45> nice
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[8:30] <[Saint]> I think tablets are kinda dead, really.
[8:30] <[Saint]> They've always been a niche market.
[8:31] <[Saint]> But now that handsets are just as capable, if not more so, what's the point?
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[8:31] <[Saint]> At the end of the day its another device to carry around.
[8:31] <icecube45> yea
[8:32] <icecube45> also i need to finish my current projects before buying more shit
[8:32] <[Saint]> When the one that's already in your pocket does the same things, and likely more.
[8:32] <[Saint]> It may have a smaller screen, but, ~5" "should be enough for anyone".
[8:33] <icecube45> I think Ill still find a touchscreen..
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[8:34] <ShorTie> Good Morning Guys
[8:34] <icecube45> hey
[8:35] <[Saint]> This is the one I have.
[8:35] <[Saint]> http://www.chalk-elec.com/?page_id=1280#!/~/product/category=3094861&id=14647624
[8:35] <[Saint]> It "Just Works".
[8:35] <icecube45> its discontinued/out of stock..
[8:35] <icecube45> i saw it..
[8:36] <[Saint]> Did you actually read the page?
[8:36] <icecube45> yea
[8:36] <[Saint]> I'm not sure you did.
[8:36] <icecube45> its out of stock
[8:36] <[Saint]> Its still 100% available.
[8:36] <icecube45> and it shall be discontinued soon
[8:36] <[Saint]> No, it isn't.
[8:37] <icecube45> SKU 00017
[8:37] <icecube45> Out of stock
[8:37] <icecube45> $134.99
[8:37] <[Saint]> That's just there to discourage bulk orders.
[8:37] <[Saint]> Its still available.
[8:37] <icecube45> reaaally..
[8:38] <icecube45> huh
[8:38] <[Saint]> HDMIPi may be worth a look as well.
[8:39] <[Saint]> They're all rather expensive, though.
[8:39] <[Saint]> Ideally you want one that will still be useful without a Pi.
[8:39] <icecube45> yea
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[8:41] <[Saint]> I like the general idea of HDMIPi, but really, its a lot to spend converting what is essentially a cellphone from ~2008 to touchscreen.
[8:42] <[Saint]> Adafruit's little 320x240 RFT touchscreen module might be worth a look.
[8:42] <[Saint]> But, pi-specific.
[8:44] <[Saint]> What the?!?
[8:44] <icecube45> ?
[8:44] <[Saint]> Odd server message:
[8:44] <[Saint]> [18:33:54] [ShorTie] thats not what she said
[8:44] <icecube45> oo
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[8:44] <[Saint]> I _think_ quassel messed up and dumped that in the wrong buffer,
[8:46] <[Saint]> icecube45: http://www.adafruit.com/products/1770
[8:46] <[Saint]> ~$40 USD
[8:46] <icecube45> not a monitor though
[8:46] <icecube45> they do have a monitor however
[8:47] <[Saint]> How do you mean "not a monitor"?
[8:47] <icecube45> It's an lcd
[8:47] <icecube45> touchscreen lcd
[8:47] <icecube45> As in
[8:47] <icecube45> What am I trying to say..
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[8:49] * [Saint] waits
[8:49] <icecube45> i mean like..
[8:49] <icecube45> ugh
[8:49] <icecube45> i dont know how to english today
[8:49] <icecube45> http://www.adafruit.com/products/1601
[8:49] <icecube45> that would actually work pretty well
[8:49] <[Saint]> Its essentially the exact same thing.
[8:50] <[Saint]> Just with a re-arranged format.
[8:50] <icecube45> yea.
[8:50] <[Saint]> So...I'm unsure what you're trying top say.
[8:50] <icecube45> i dont even know
[8:50] <[Saint]> :)
[8:50] <icecube45> ill try to english and get back to you
[8:52] <[Saint]> Huh. In fact, it *is* exactly the same TFT module.
[8:52] <icecube45> huh
[8:52] <[Saint]> Just with a different layout of the baseboard.
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[8:55] <icecube45> wish they made a bigger one
[8:56] <[Saint]> It's designed that way so you can do this:
[8:56] <[Saint]> http://shop.pimoroni.com/products/pitft-pibow
[8:57] * [Saint] has one shipping to him currently
[8:57] <icecube45> eh
[8:57] <icecube45> attach a battery, and bam
[8:57] <icecube45> insta tablet
[8:57] <icecube45> XD
[8:57] <[Saint]> s/tablet/brick/
[8:57] <icecube45> haha
[8:57] <[Saint]> Close. ;)
[8:58] <[Saint]> I wanted a visual representation of whather or not I should bother looking at my IRC logs or not.
[8:58] <gordonDrogon> might get one of those displays - does it still need a kernel compile for the module?
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[8:58] <[Saint]> I'm figuring I'll use it essentially like an IRC answering machine.
[8:58] <icecube45> yea
[8:58] <icecube45> i believe so gordonDrogon
[8:59] <gordonDrogon> Hm. shame they can't provide a module for whatever the current kernel is.
[9:00] <[Saint]> s/can't/won't/
[9:00] <[Saint]> And, yeah, it is.
[9:00] <gordonDrogon> indeed.
[9:00] <gordonDrogon> I'll stick to the 2-line lcd for now.
[9:01] <[Saint]> gordonDrogon: they do provide the patch source, though, which allowed me to get one up and running for a friend in Arch.
[9:01] <[Saint]> http://adafruit-download.s3.amazonaws.com/adafruit-ts.zip
[9:02] <[Saint]> https://learn.adafruit.com/adafruit-pitft-28-inch-resistive-touchscreen-display-raspberry-pi/software-installation
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[9:04] <[Saint]> One thing I will say, is that you mustn't expect a decent FPS from these.
[9:04] <[Saint]> The FPS is absolute balls.
[9:04] <icecube45> i think it maxes around 20 fps
[9:04] <[Saint]> They do about ~18fps at a push, when set to 32MHz
[9:04] <[Saint]> Which they seem to hate.
[9:06] <[Saint]> One would think that there would be a metapackage in AUR or something to automate this installation.
[9:07] <[Saint]> Its not difficult, its just annoying crap I shouldn't need to do manually.
[9:07] <Textmode> [Saint]: is that a hardware limitation, or a performance one?
[9:08] <[Saint]> Hardware, I believe. Poor little feller just can't handle having that many pixels pushed at it at one.
[9:08] <[Saint]> ANd there's very obvious tearing on refreshes at 32MHz
[9:08] <[Saint]> The pi itself is more than capable of throwing enough pixels at it in due time.
[9:09] <gordonDrogon> I wrote code for another little LCD 18 months back and had it running at close to 100fps - however the display was half the size of the adafruit one.
[9:09] <Textmode> ho hum.
[9:09] <gordonDrogon> shame the company never released it I think.
[9:10] <gordonDrogon> I also did this: http://unicorn.drogon.net/128x64.jpg - that's 128x64 pixels, mono.
[9:10] <gordonDrogon> it has an 8-bit parallel interface though.
[9:10] <[Saint]> The little 220x147 LCD on the iPod Nano 2G can go 200fps, with realtime dithering from RGB888 to RGB565
[9:11] <[Saint]> Its a machine of death.
[9:11] <Textmode> cute.
[9:11] <gordonDrogon> I might use that in my garden shed project though.
[9:11] <[Saint]> *220x174
[9:11] <Textmode> [Saint]: interesting to nkow.
[9:11] <Textmode> (yes, nkow! thats not a typo and you can't prove otherwise!)
[9:12] <gordonDrogon> most of these lcd displays have multiple interfaces - often a higher speed serial (DSI) or even 16-it parallel.
[9:12] <[Saint]> There's 2 LCD variants for the Nano2G, but they're both almost identical in regard to throughput.
[9:12] <[Saint]> Just need slightly different handling during init.
[9:12] <Textmode> [Saint]: what about the other nanos?
[9:12] <gordonDrogon> for video you don't need more than 30 :)
[9:13] <gordonDrogon> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JBtS35qPmeo
[9:13] <Textmode> yeah, most video standards are somewhere between 24-30
[9:14] <gordonDrogon> surprised the adafruit one can't handle 30 for video though.
[9:14] <[Saint]> The Nano1G is basically a tiny flash variant of the iPod Video, the LCD on it isn't particularly great, but it can do 100+fps easily
[9:14] <[Saint]> The other Nanos, I don't know/care about, because we don't have a useable exploit on them. :)
[9:14] <Textmode> heh
[9:14] <Textmode> fair enough.
[9:14] <Textmode> and I guess if theres nothing by this point in time, there probably won't be.
[9:15] <[Saint]> DAPs are pretty much a dead market.
[9:15] <[Saint]> Very few people are interested in hacking on such a prohibitive platform these days.
[9:16] <Textmode> well, I guess theres no shortage of alternatives these days.
[9:16] <Textmode> and often a lot more open.
[9:16] <[Saint]> People don't want to code in ARM ASM, and watch every cycle, and manage RAM usage.
[9:16] <Textmode> *cough*
[9:16] * Textmode is learning DOS 16b ASM
[9:16] <[Saint]> Obviously, you're not people.
[9:17] <[Saint]> ;)
[9:17] <Textmode> indeed, thank you for noticing.
[9:18] <[Saint]> Its pretty masochistic to get into embedded hacking on such a restricted platform these days.
[9:18] <Textmode> you mean DOS?
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[9:18] <[Saint]> I was referring to most consumer DAPs, but, that fits too.
[9:19] <Textmode> yeah, not really the platform for doing useful work, modulo specialised problem sets.
[9:20] <Textmode> (and for the record, I'm doing 16b DOS ASM as a learning experience, not because I expect to achieve anything important with it :P)
[9:21] <[Saint]> And, you will learn from it.
[9:21] <[Saint]> Indeed you will.
[9:21] <[Saint]> Primarily, cleaning up after yourself, and watching allocation of resources.
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[9:24] <icecube45> Alright guys
[9:24] <icecube45> question :D
[9:24] <icecube45> What is your current project with your pi?
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[9:26] <[Saint]> One of mine is currently a multi-user quassel core, samba share, print server.
[9:26] <icecube45> nice
[9:26] <[Saint]> Another sits as a deadman switch for the server.
[9:27] <[Saint]> Another was annoying the neighbors for about a month nonstop by looping yakkety sax across the entire FM spectrum ever ~30s..
[9:27] <icecube45> niiiice
[9:28] <icecube45> I might make one for the jitterbug gang XD
[9:28] <icecube45> if you understand that refrence
[9:29] <icecube45> anything else?
[9:30] <[Saint]> Early on, I built a "Piblet", a raspberry pi tablet.
[9:30] <icecube45> mm
[9:30] <icecube45> how did that go
[9:30] <[Saint]> But, then I discovered what a terrible and impractical idea it was, and dismantled it.
[9:30] <icecube45> haha
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[9:31] <[Saint]> It occured to me that I built something ~10x thicker, ~4x heavier, 1,000,000x less portable, and at least 2x more expensive.
[9:32] <[Saint]> +than a consumer ready tablet
[9:32] <icecube45> haha
[9:32] <icecube45> education
[9:32] <[Saint]> Truth.
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[9:32] <icecube45> honestly, I want to find a project for my pi
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[9:46] <Willchill> icecube45: A portable games console using RetroPie.
[9:46] <Willchill> t/money
[9:46] <icecube45> nice
[9:46] <icecube45> might do that..
[9:46] <icecube45> but
[9:47] <icecube45> already built an arcade machine
[9:47] <Willchill> Ahh
[9:47] <icecube45> Might possibly attempt a steam machine portable
[9:47] <Willchill> Portable projects are always interesting, though
[9:47] <icecube45> yea
[9:48] <icecube45> I kind of want to make a tablet still, because I cant find what I want in a commercial one
[9:48] <icecube45> but dat price
[9:48] <Willchill> Yeah
[9:48] <Willchill> A large enough, decent touch screen would cost a lot
[9:49] <icecube45> I was thinking of making one with the beaglebone black
[9:49] <icecube45> http://www.seeedstudio.com/depot/7-LCD-Cape-for-Beagle-Bone-Black-Touch-Display-p-1697.html
[9:49] <icecube45> was recommended to me
[9:49] <icecube45> 90 bucks
[9:49] <icecube45> eh
[9:49] <Willchill> Yeah
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[9:50] <icecube45> it has nice intrigration with the beaglebone though
[9:50] <icecube45> auto calibration and shit
[9:50] <Willchill> Time to see if I loaded the RetroPie iso properly
[9:50] <Willchill> Not iso, sorry
[9:50] <icecube45> haha
[9:50] <Willchill> Image
[9:50] <icecube45> picture?
[9:50] <Willchill> xD
[9:50] <Willchill> .img
[9:50] <icecube45> no i mean
[9:51] <icecube45> I want to see a picture of whatever you are making
[9:51] <Willchill> Oh, nothing special
[9:51] <Willchill> Only got my Pi late yesterday
[9:51] <icecube45> http://www.seeedstudio.com/depot/Wireless-Charging-Module-p-1354.html
[9:51] <icecube45> hmm
[9:51] <Willchill> Wooo
[9:51] <Willchill> I did it properly xD
[9:52] <Willchill> Time to get my USB gamepad
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[9:53] <icecube45> I like that charge module though
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[9:57] <icecube45> actually..
[9:57] <icecube45> a beaglebone black tablet
[9:57] <icecube45> is kind of feasable..
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[9:58] <icecube45> hook it up with that wireless charger
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[9:58] <Willchill> Mmh
[9:58] <icecube45> lipo charger and lipo
[9:58] <icecube45> 3d printed case
[9:58] <icecube45> and that touchscreen..
[9:58] <icecube45> hmm
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[10:00] <icecube45> it's actually pretty feasable
[10:00] <icecube45> I have a lipo charger on me
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[10:00] <icecube45> Would just need a suitable lipo
[10:00] <icecube45> http://hobbyking.com/hobbyking/store/lithium_polymer_battery_configuration.asp
[10:00] <icecube45> here i come!
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[10:01] <icecube45> Welcome back
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[10:01] <Willchill> Thanks
[10:01] <Willchill> I use a network bridge to connect my Pi to the internet (2 computes 1 wifi adapter)
[10:02] <Willchill> I turned off the Pi and this one lost connection xD
[10:02] <icecube45> ah
[10:03] <icecube45> hmm
[10:03] <icecube45> this is a feasable idea
[10:03] <icecube45> want to help me find a lipo?
[10:05] <Willchill> Not sure how much help I will be because I'm relatively new to electronics
[10:05] <icecube45> ah
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[10:09] <Willchill> I could try to help, though, icecube. x3
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[10:10] <icecube45> haha
[10:10] <icecube45> if you want to
[10:10] <icecube45> Need a 5v 2A lipo
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[10:13] <icecube45> hmm
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[10:17] <icecube45> im going to bed
[10:18] <icecube45> cya
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[12:33] <Davespice> shiftplusone: https://twitter.com/Raspberry_Pi/status/481020137995517952
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[12:40] <causality> Davespice: is that in cambridge?
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[14:07] <shiftplusone> >=/
[14:07] <shiftplusone> causality, that's at pi towers iahn cambridge, ye
[14:08] <causality> cool
[14:08] <causality> i was in talks about working for ARM up there
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[14:09] <shiftplusone> it's quite a nice city
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[14:12] <shiftplusone> though coming from melbourne, everything feels way too small
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[14:17] <Armand> causality: One of our in-house developers used to work for ARM and our old office was a 5 minute walk from theirs.
[14:18] <causality> cool
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[14:20] <shiftplusone> now then.... to figure out why this bloody faraday cage doesn't work
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[14:25] <tig|> not earthed?
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[14:50] <pksato> oh no. what I do to find money to buy one of this? :) http://www.raspberrypi.org/compute-module-development-kits-now-available/
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[15:18] <shiftplusone> tig|, doesn't need to be
[15:18] <shiftplusone> tig|, we're just using a microwave now =P
[15:19] <shiftplusone> and opening the microwave just a little bit gets all the signal in, so clearly the mesh wasn't fine enough
[15:20] <IT_Sean> What are you microwaving? (e_e)
[15:20] <shiftplusone> some pi
[15:20] <shiftplusone> and a laptop
[15:21] <IT_Sean> You shouldn't microwave your Pi, or your laptop.
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[15:21] <shiftplusone> it will be fine
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[15:36] <IT_Sean> Nah man, the microwave will totally destroy the delicate circuitry! Haven't you ever seen what happens when your microwave a fork, or a ball of foil, or a CD!!!?
[15:36] <SpeedEvil> I microwaved my Pi, and it made it quad-core.
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[15:36] <shiftplusone> IT_Sean, nonsense
[15:37] <IT_Sean> (O_o)
[15:37] <Encrypt> Yeah shiftplusone
[15:37] <Encrypt> And running "sudo rm -rf /*" makes a MAC mine Bitcoin, right? :]
[15:38] <shiftplusone> In case anybody thinks I am actually microwaving a pi..... the microwave is just acting as a faraday cage and is unplugged
[15:38] <pksato> oh... another faraday cage demostration fail. :)
[15:38] <Encrypt> shiftplusone, Why do you need a faraday cage? :)
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[15:39] <shiftplusone> for science
[15:40] <gordonDrogon> microwaves are allowed to leak 100mW anyway.
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[15:41] <gordonDrogon> I used to have access to some big faraday caged rooms, but my current pet radio people project don't have any.
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[15:42] <IT_Sean> Oooooh
[15:43] <gordonDrogon> they're all doing 60GHz stuff and it doesn't go far anyway.
[15:43] * tig| lobs a bagel at IT_Sean
[15:43] * IT_Sean catches said bagel and eats it
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[16:01] <SpeedEvil> Microwave ovens are fairly poor at shielding at other than 2.4GHz
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[16:04] <IT_Sean> You could build your own faraday cage fairly easily, you know...
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[16:04] <shiftplusone> IT_Sean, I did
[16:04] <shiftplusone> IT_Sean, but the holes were too big
[16:05] <shiftplusone> so instead of wasting time, I'm just using the microwave oven, which works great.
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[16:08] <Benguin> What do we typically use for webservers on an rPi?
[16:09] <Benguin> I've been using #Monkey, wondering is tehre's anything better suited
[16:09] * plugwash_ has never heard of #monkey
[16:09] <tig|> I use apache but you could use something lighter like nginx or cherokee
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[16:10] <plugwash_> iirc cherokee was kicked out of debian for being abandoned
[16:10] <ShorTie> kinda depends on what you want to serve
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[16:10] <[Saint]> shiftplusone: for future reference - metal sieves.
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[16:10] <[Saint]> Cheap and effective Faraday cages.
[16:10] <tig|> plugwash_: whoops, I didn't think I had heard any news of it for a bit
[16:11] <plugwash_> hmm, seems on further investigation that the reason for the kicking out of debian was lack of debian maintainer activity
[16:12] <shiftplusone> [Saint], had to make do with what's available
[16:12] <plugwash_> but upstream doesn't seem very active either
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[16:13] <tig|> has attention just shifted to nginx?
[16:14] <Benguin> Hmm okay
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[16:18] <[Saint]> Everyone decided to argue about how racist the logos are on the mailing lists instead.
[16:19] <tig|> for minimal fuss, apache, for performance nginx is probably the answer :)
[16:19] <[Saint]> *instead of actual development
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[16:22] <gordonDrogon> I'll be doing some projects later this summer using apache on a Pi - mostly due to familiarity. it performs ok for what we're using it for.
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[16:23] <tig|> I generally use apache on my pis but again that is due to familiarity and having things just work out of the box
[16:23] <tig|> ie install something like phpmyadmin from apt and it pulls the whole stack down with it
[16:24] <Benguin> tig|: so for soemone who's not good at networks and server config, apache?
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[16:24] <tig|> Benguin: yes, there are more tutorials out there for it
[16:24] <tig|> and more people who will be able to help you with it
[16:24] <Benguin> Performace isn't much of an issure as long as the fact I have a first-gen Pi B model isn't an issue (256MB ram)
[16:25] <nid0> nginx is also perfectly easy to setup on a pi, but in practical terms the performance difference between nginx and apache (2.4) is minimal
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[16:25] <tig|> I have run apache on a first gen with no problems
[16:25] <Benguin> Great, will look into ti when I get home \p/
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[16:26] <Davespice> shiftplusone: is the cage working yet?
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[16:27] <plugwash_> one interesting question would be how does apache+modphp compare to apache+php5-fpm
[16:27] <shiftplusone> Davespice, we're using Ben's microwave instead
[16:27] <plugwash_> in particular iirc modphp forces prefork which is apparently bad for performance
[16:28] <plugwash_> also note that apache in wheezy is 2.2 not 2.4
[16:28] <Benguin> tig|: also, would things like PhP be needed for a raelly simple site with no dynamic content? Never messed with PhP before, or anything beyond the most simple features of a webserver
[16:28] <Benguin> and a simple webserver like Monkey, at that
[16:28] <tig|> if no dynamic content then you don't need php
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[16:28] <Benguin> Though, I think I'll probably be able to follow the tutorials just fine
[16:29] <tig|> if you do want to play with php then it is fine and dead simple to do
[16:29] <ShorTie> shiftplusone, if you use 2 pieces of that screen you cut the hole size down by 4
[16:29] <Benguin> Hm okay
[16:29] <Davespice> shiftplusone: ah okay, I wonder if that is how small the holes need to be, like the mesh on the front of the door?
[16:29] <shiftplusone> yeah
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[16:30] <shiftplusone> but 1cm should work okay too
[16:30] <shiftplusone> the problem is that if the microwave is open even just a little, all of the signal gets in. So the holes in the mesh are way too huge
[16:30] <ShorTie> 3 pieces would be 1/9th the size
[16:31] <plugwash_> the size of the holes needed depends on both the wavelength of the signal and the attenutation factor you need
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[16:37] <[Saint]> ShorTie: *could* be.
[16:37] <[Saint]> Not *would* be. :)
[16:38] <[Saint]> You could use infinite layers and still maintain the same gap size.
[16:38] <shiftplusone> ShorTie, making it with the one layer was a pain, I'm not repeating it again. D=. Microwave works great, problem solved.
[16:38] <[Saint]> Alignment is key.
[16:39] * [Saint] takes off his pedant hat
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[16:39] <shiftplusone> I thought it was permanently attached D=
[16:39] <[Saint]> ...actually, nuts to that. I like that hat.
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[16:41] <[Saint]> Man. The difference in battery consumption between AOSP 4.4.4 and CM11 4.4.4 is massive.
[16:42] <tig|> [Saint]: in which direction?
[16:42] <[Saint]> 97%, 23h uptime, 1h 4m screen time
[16:42] <[Saint]> tig|: drastically in favor of AOSP
[16:43] <tig|> does CM11 run a load of stuff in the background?
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[16:46] <[Saint]> Not particularly, no. I guess I need to dig deeper and log wakelocks as requested and the duration they're held for on each system.
[16:47] <[Saint]> I'm thinking the culprit may be cLock
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[16:49] <[Saint]> Though, I have little to no desire to go back to CM11, so I'm not sure how much I care.
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[16:54] * gordonDrogon presumes your talking about mobile phone OSs here?
[16:55] <IT_Sean> It would appear that way, gordonDrogon.
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[16:56] <shiftplusone> android to be exact
[16:56] <IT_Sean> Indeed.
[16:56] * IT_Sean has a rooted Kindle Fire (1st gen) running CM9
[16:57] <[Saint]> Rockin' it old school.
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[16:59] <tig|> I still have a G1 kicking around here :)
[16:59] <IT_Sean> Indeed.
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[17:00] <IT_Sean> Good cheap wway to have an Android device around for support reference
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[17:01] <[Saint]> I'm constantly amazed by the amount of people that actively use truly ancient Android versions.
[17:01] <IT_Sean> I use it for stuff here in the office, and as a reference for support cases.
[17:01] <IT_Sean> I've got our corporate chatroom app and ticketing system app running on it.
[17:01] <IT_Sean> in case I feel like doing actual work while away from my desk.
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[17:03] <tig|> [Saint]: unfortunatly it is often because the manufacturer has abandoned support on an ancient version
[17:04] <IT_Sean> the 1st gen kf is a pretty solid basis tablet, once you de-kindle it.
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[17:06] <IT_Sean> *basic
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[17:09] <gordonDrogon> I have 4.4.2 on my tablet.
[17:09] <gordonDrogon> the makers haven't released an update for it.
[17:09] <gordonDrogon> but that's probably ok. it seems to perform OK.
[17:10] <gordonDrogon> oops, 4.2.2 jelly
[17:11] <gordonDrogon> my phone has just upgraded itself to 4.4.3.
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[17:11] <gordonDrogon> not that bothered as long as they work. my tablet was under �100 too :)
[17:13] <causality> i think my phone is still on 4.1
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[17:20] <IT_Sean> my phone is no longer an Android device.
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[17:27] <gordonDrogon> imagine that... :)
[17:27] <IT_Sean> hush you
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[17:28] <tig|> IT_Sean: windows phone? ( he asks innocently ) ?
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[17:28] <IT_Sean> iOS.
[17:29] <IT_Sean> My Nexus 4 died an untimely death. Got replaced with an iPhone 5s.
[17:29] <[Saint]> Gah.
[17:29] <tig|> cisco ? (/me is deliberatly misunderstanding for comic effect)
[17:29] <[Saint]> How does one take that step?
[17:29] * IT_Sean was always more of an iOS guy.
[17:29] <[Saint]> Was it given to you?
[17:29] <IT_Sean> Got two iPads. Old company phone was an iPhone 4. Onyl got the Nexus due to the price.
[17:30] <[Saint]> I never looked back when I left iOS.
[17:30] <IT_Sean> I did.
[17:30] <[Saint]> I can't imagine going back.
[17:31] <gordonDrogon> right. enough writing. fun time.
[17:31] <[Saint]> I have found in my experience that the people who reverted were on ancient Android versions.
[17:32] <gordonDrogon> looks like my Pi computer boards had been supplied with the wrong usb cables. bother.
[17:32] <[Saint]> But you...you even had the current flagship.
[17:32] <[Saint]> (At the time)
[17:32] <[Saint]> So...wow
[17:32] <IT_Sean> the 5s is some really sexy hardware tho
[17:32] <gordonDrogon> can't be bothered sending them back, will just bleat to Farnell about it on twitter.
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[17:33] <[Saint]> IT_Sean: that tiny low res screen though...
[17:33] <IT_Sean> (O_o)
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[17:35] <gordonDrogon> I'm happy with my nexus 5.
[17:35] <[Saint]> You should be.
[17:35] <[Saint]> It's awesome.
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[17:37] <IT_Sean> ^ that
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[17:37] <[Saint]> IT_Sean: what's the "sexy HW" out of interest?
[17:38] <[Saint]> I'm assuming aesthetics?
[17:38] <[Saint]> As opposed to functionality, which is clearly lacking.
[17:38] <IT_Sean> are you trying to be a dick?
[17:38] <the-kyle> I think it does have a 64-bit processor, but other than that, ... not much from what I read.
[17:39] <[Saint]> no, not at all. Completely serious.
[17:39] <[Saint]> Meh CPU, meh RAM, meh camera, no NFC...and so on.
[17:39] <[Saint]> No Qi.
[17:39] <[Saint]> No...lots of things.
[17:40] <IT_Sean> 64bit processor, with dedicated graphics and motion coporcessor, the screen is fantastic, it's just the right weight (heavy enough to feel solidly build but light enough to not be annoying in a pocket). The camera is a lot better than the nexus 4 one.
[17:41] <[Saint]> Its hardly a flagship by today's standards though.
[17:41] <the-kyle> To be fair, Nexus devices don't have all that great hardware compaired to other Android devices either.
[17:41] <IT_Sean> I like it. I like it more than i liked my Nexus 4 (and i liked the nex 4 a lot).
[17:41] <the-kyle> I still need a removable battery and expandable storage, and neither Nexus devices nor IOS devices provide those things.
[17:42] <[Saint]> The screen I don't see eye to eye on.
[17:42] <gordonDrogon> I want google wallet to work in the UK.
[17:42] <[Saint]> gordonDrogon: me too, because then NZ will get it.
[17:43] <the-kyle> Plus, what good is all the beefiest hardware in the world when they lock it down the way IOS does.
[17:43] <IT_Sean> I dunno... I trust google with a lot of things... But... not with my moneh!
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[17:43] <gordonDrogon> are there any readers for the nfc doo-dah in the N5? I'm thinking of installing an rfid type system on a gate I have - would be cool if the phone could unlock it.
[17:43] <tig|> gordonDrogon: adafruit do one
[17:44] <gordonDrogon> Hm..
[17:44] <[Saint]> I have NFC tags dotted around my house and workplace.
[17:44] <[Saint]> They're awesome.
[17:44] <[Saint]> Oh, and the car.
[17:44] <IT_Sean> What do you use them for, [Saint]?
[17:45] <tig|> tbh I doubt you would need the power of a pi for a rfid gate system unless you are going to add a security camera etc onto it :)
[17:46] <[Saint]> Triggering quiet mode on the bedside table and office desk, car/navigation mode in the car, turning different location profiles on/off depending if I'm home or not, connecting to wireless APs easily, ...
[17:46] <IT_Sean> Awesome.
[17:49] <[Saint]> The latter is a a timesaver when I want to let someone in to the home network (guest network is unsecured but VERY locked down)
[17:49] <[Saint]> No need to divulge a passphrase.
[17:51] <tig|> [Saint]: the other way of handling that is to use QR codes, my router generates the appropiate one and you can just print it out :)
[17:51] <IT_Sean> Ah, you see... I don't let people on my home network.
[17:51] <gordonDrogon> well might look into it later. bit costly for what I want - but wifeys phone has nfc as does mine, so maybe one day.
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[17:51] <IT_Sean> Gues network is protected by WPA, and is totally isolated from the master network. It has unfettered access to the innernet, but, to nothing internal.
[17:52] <[Saint]> Protected and WPA can't be used in the same sentence in good conscience.
[17:52] <IT_Sean> meh... it can't access any of my internal stuff
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[17:53] <[Saint]> Around these parts, you'd adjust that config VERY quickly, I imagine.
[17:54] <[Saint]> APs with WPA get broken in a matter of days at the most around here.
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[17:55] <[Saint]> Hoursbif you're really unlucky.
[17:55] <[Saint]> *hours if
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[17:57] <IT_Sean> Not been an issue here. I keep an eye on the logs (emailed to me every 12 hours). No evidence of bastarding
[17:58] <[Saint]> Lucky bugger.
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[17:59] <[Saint]> I have to send out emails to my own clients asking them nicely to please not hack me.
[17:59] <[Saint]> Well...try to.
[17:59] <[Saint]> Nonone has succeeded yet.
[17:59] <IT_Sean> A long while ago, back in the days of WEP, i found an unauthorized PC on my network.
[17:59] <IT_Sean> It had remote file sharing turned on...
[18:00] <IT_Sean> I deleted all their documents, photos, music, etc...
[18:00] <IT_Sean> Never saw that PC on my net again.
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[18:01] <[Saint]> Hmmmm...that would've presented a lovely argument for the lawyers to hash out the legality of.
[18:02] <IT_Sean> Fuck the legality. You break into my network, i retaliate.
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[18:04] <tig|> I remember running a protected wifi network for our office in covent garden, and it was back when windows was a bit tarty when it came to wifi and would join any unprotected network automatically... it used to generate "interesting" support issues.... "I can't connected to the CGFileStore and it isn't on the network, I can see FooCorpMain and FooAccounts" "Err we don't have servers called that.... can you just check which wifi network you are
[18:04] * [Saint] blinks
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[18:05] <tig|> there was a scary amount of open wifi onto various company networks
[18:06] <gordonDrogon> IT_Phood, *cough* family friendly dude ...
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[18:06] * tig| waits for IT_Phood to kick self :)
[18:06] <[Saint]> Most things are pretty brain dead in some ways with wireless.
[18:07] <[Saint]> One of my favorites is blindly trying to connect to an AP based solely on the SSID alone.
[18:07] <tig|> heh
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[18:09] <[Saint]> "I've seen that SSID before, surely its the same one...there couldn't be more than one, right? Should I look at the MAC? Nah...screw it, I'll try connecting relentlessly and even disconnect from LTE because I saw an SSID I recognize..."
[18:09] <[Saint]> Android, iOS...I'm lookin at you.
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[18:12] <[Saint]> It _should_, in a perfect world, check SSID *and* MAC before deciding that that's an AP it recognizes.
[18:13] <ShorTie> gotta deposit an extra quarter for mac filtering
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[18:15] <[Saint]> If I take the bus around town, my connection will drop every few blocks because the IG crew at my work refuses to change the default SSIDs.
[18:15] <[Saint]> Which apparently every other business uses too...
[18:16] <[Saint]> *IT
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[20:23] <wbk> is there some difference between 000d 000e 000f ?
[20:24] <IT_Sean> one ends in d, another in e, and the third in f, wbk.
[20:24] <wbk> IT_Sean, some hardware difference?
[20:24] <wbk> if not, why revision ID is different?
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[20:27] <shiftplusone> wbk, google raspberry pi revision
[20:28] <wbk> http://elinux.org/RPi_HardwareHistory
[20:28] <shiftplusone> you should find a page which tells you what the (minor) differences are
[20:28] <wbk> i'm here right now
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[20:33] <IT_Sean> Google is your friend
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[20:36] <plugwash_> wbk, I suspect they are just manufacturer coding them to make it easier to keep track of problem reports
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[20:45] <wbk> plugwash_, so, this means that there are no hardware differences between them?
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[20:45] <plugwash_> I'm not aware of any specific hardware differences between manufacturers
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[20:46] <plugwash_> but note that significant part substution goes on during Pi manufacture even within one vendow
[20:46] <plugwash_> *vendor
[20:47] <IT_Sean> wbk: they will all have the same SOC and the same capabilities, but, ancillary passives may be slightly different due to part substitution as plugwash_ has pointed out, even within the same mfgr
[20:48] <plugwash_> more than just "anicillary passives", afaict the only component on the Pi that doesn't have at least one substitute is the broadcom SoC
[20:49] <wbk> http://theiopage.blogspot.it/2012/06/increasing-raspberry-pis-usb-host.html
[20:49] <wbk> for example
[20:49] <wbk> here it is an hw difference between newer and older revision
[20:49] <wbk> newer doesn't have that current limitator
[20:50] <wbk> well known with the name "polyfuses"
[20:51] <IT_Sean> Now you are talking about different revisions, though.
[20:51] <IT_Sean> that's a whooooole 'nother ball of cheese.
[20:51] <wbk> 000d 000e 000f are different revisions
[20:51] <wbk> these code are under the revision column
[20:52] <pksato> wbk: that is the problem?
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[20:52] <pksato> all PCB revision 2 are same hardware.
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[20:58] <wbk> pksato, and 000x revision what does it mean?
[20:59] <shiftplusone> there is no 000x O_o
[20:59] <shiftplusone> note that actual revision and the 'revision' you get from cpuinfo are not the same thing
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[21:08] <wbk> shiftplusone: yes, there are 000x: http://elinux.org/RPi_HardwareHistory
[21:09] <shiftplusone> I can only assume you're using x as a substitute
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[21:10] <shiftplusone> since .... x is not a number in hex =/
[21:10] <[Saint]> Must be.
[21:10] <[Saint]> Its not valid hex.
[21:10] <[Saint]> Gah...beaten to the punch
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[21:11] <shiftplusone> in that case, he has answered his own question a number of times already
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[21:23] <gordonDrogon> ah well - what a day.
[21:24] <gordonDrogon> I might even have time to play iwth my new toy too.
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[21:26] <shiftplusone> what toy might that be?
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[21:27] <btcNeverSleeps> I'm plugging the SD card of a Raspberry PI into a USB card reader on my Linux workstation and mount it. I can see directories at the top level but anything else gives an Input/Output error. Is it me being silly or is the SD card toast?
[21:27] <wbk> shiftplusone, yes, it's a substitute
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[21:28] <ShorTie> was the sdcard working ok in the pi ??
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[21:29] <gordonDrogon> shiftplusone, compute board - even if Farnell did send me the wrong usb cables
[21:29] <wbk> shiftplusone, yes, but who has answered said that there are minor hardware changes
[21:29] <gordonDrogon> btcNeverSleeps, it's probably toast. I'd run badclocks on it,, then fsck.
[21:30] <btcNeverSleeps> ShorTie: well, I have no idea... I didn't install that Raspberry PI myself. The Pi is also hooked to a harddisk (by USB) which apparently also contains Linux.
[21:30] <gordonDrogon> btcNeverSleeps, badblocks -c 256 -s /dev/sdX
[21:30] <wbk> <plugwash_> I'm not aware of any specific hardware differences between manufacturers
[21:30] <wbk> <plugwash_> but note that significant part substution goes on during Pi manufacture even within one vendr
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[21:30] <shiftplusone> wbk, they'll ocasionally make very minor unimportant changes to the rev 2 board, but the main difference between the revision number in cpuinfo is which factory they came from.
[21:30] <btcNeverSleeps> gordonDrogon: reading about "badclocks" ^ ^ (btw even dmesg gives error when I plug the SD in)
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[21:31] <shiftplusone> gordonDrogon, ah, have fun. Be careful if you're going to use the camera. >.>
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[21:31] <gordonDrogon> shiftplusone, no camera - not interested really - just want to make sure wiringPi works on it.
[21:31] <wbk> shiftplusone, and all the rpi by the factory are the same?
[21:31] <ShorTie> whelp, if it is hooked up to a usb drive with linux, it my only have the fat partition with a couple files
[21:31] <wbk> sony or something else...
[21:31] <gordonDrogon> however it'll have to wait - as wifey has just phoned so I need to get supper ready...
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[21:32] <shiftplusone> wbk, you're over-thinking it.
[21:32] <wbk> in which sense?
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[21:32] <shiftplusone> the revision in cpuinfo is not important
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[21:32] <ShorTie> you would need to look into config.txt to see if it boot to the sdcard or usb drive
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[21:33] <btcNeverSleeps> If a Raspberry Pi has no SD card but an USB harddrive plugged in, can it boot?
[21:33] <ShorTie> nop
[21:33] <wbk> shiftplusone, so, 000d = 000e = 000f ?
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[21:33] <IT_Sean> no
[21:33] <ShorTie> gotta have sdcard for firmware
[21:33] <btcNeverSleeps> ShorTie: oooh... And config.txt is on the SD card?
[21:33] <debichu> generating 2048bit keys on a rev1 takes a while :)
[21:33] <ShorTie> yup.
[21:34] <shiftplusone> wbk, as the link you gave says, d means egoman (china). e means sony (UK) and f means Qisda (no idea)
[21:34] <btcNeverSleeps> ah found it... It's in the Windows partition of the SD card, which apparently mounts fine (no I/O error)
[21:34] <wbk> shiftplusone, so, egoman or sony or qisda is the same?
[21:35] <wbk> and is there some way to chose the factory when i buy it?
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[21:35] <shiftplusone> in every way that matters anyway
[21:35] <shiftplusone> nope, but I think all of the element14 ones are the Sony ones (correct me if I am wrong)
[21:36] <ShorTie> look in it for mmcblk0p1 (sdcard) or sda for usb drive
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[21:37] <gordonDrogon> wbk, re. the board ID - all you really need is the last digit - if it's 2 or 3 then it's a Rev 1, else Rev 2 - the only difference (for me, wiringPi) is the gpio pin assignments!
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[21:39] <wbk> gordonDrogon, what is the board ID?
[21:39] <wbk> i'm talking about what is written here: http://elinux.org/RPi_HardwareHistory
[21:40] <btcNeverSleeps> (first time I see a Raspberry Pi btw)
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[21:42] <btcNeverSleeps> I plug the SD card in the Pi and plug the power: I see the PWR led lighting up (in red). Is there supposed to be something else lighting showing me that the system is booting? (ACT lighted up in yellow for half a second and I can see activity on the USB hard disk)
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[21:42] <IT_Sean> btcNeverSleeps: ACT should be flashing, indicating SD card act, and you should get video output on composite or HDMI ports.
[21:42] <IT_Sean> Did you write an OS image to the SD card?
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[21:43] <btcNeverSleeps> IT_Sean: there was supposed to be one... I didn't realize that thing was a (mini ?) HDMI port (sadly no mini-HDMI cable here, will have to buy one)
[21:43] <IT_Sean> it's a standard HDMI port
[21:44] <IT_Sean> Did you write an OS image to the SD, or buy a preimaged card?
[21:44] <btcNeverSleeps> IT_Sean: but the connector is smaller than the ones on the HDMI cables I have here
[21:44] <IT_Sean> are you sure we're talking about the same connector?
[21:45] <IT_Sean> the HDMI port is a standard HDMI port, so, either you have non-standard cables, or we are talking about different ports.
[21:45] <btcNeverSleeps> IT_Sean: oooh, gotcha. Was confused with "DVI".
[21:45] <IT_Sean> Did you write an OS image to the SD, or buy a preimaged card?
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[21:47] <btcNeverSleeps> IT_Sean: I'm trying to troubleshoot an issue at my girlfriend's PME: there's been a power outage and nothing worked anymore. The admin tried to blackmail them. I figured out how to put the computers + NAS etc. back on but the SIP phones aren't working.
[21:47] <btcNeverSleeps> IT_Sean: the RaspberryPI had Asterisk+FreePBX on it
[21:47] <btcNeverSleeps> (from what I can see)
[21:48] <btcNeverSleeps> I'll hook it up to the TV to see if it boots :)
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[21:56] <btcNeverSleeps> Cool! The RaspberryPI is booting into Linux: don't know yet if it booted from the HD or the SD card. Stuck at the "root" prompt, see if I can do something (old admin is asking money to give the password). I'd simply modify /etc/passwd or /etc/shadow if I could but... The SD card ain't mounting correctly on my Linux.
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[22:05] <btcNeverSleeps> good news: it's apparently booting the main Linux system not from the SD but from the HD (which means I should be able to reset the root password easily)
[22:05] <IT_Sean> awesome.
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[22:16] <ShorTie> whelp, actually it is booting from the sdcard, as to that is where the kernel is
[22:16] <ShorTie> but it is running from the hd
[22:18] <IT_Sean> ^ that
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[22:22] <btcNeverSleeps> I see ^ ^
[22:23] <ShorTie> that be why no act light
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[22:25] <l_r> 7j #v4l
[22:26] <l_r> sorry
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[22:35] <btcNeverSleeps> exciting stuff: I changed the root password in /etc/shadow (on the HD) from another computer then booted again in the Raspberry PI and I've got a "RasPBX" welcome screen. Obviously the thing is running Debian / RasPBX ^ ^
[22:36] <btcNeverSleeps> I still don't get why I can't mount the Linux partition on the SD card... There seems to be one but I take it it is not used.
[22:36] * btcNeverSleeps is feeling like a detective
[22:37] <btcNeverSleeps> stupid question: can I "shutdown -h 0" a Raspberry PI? And is it "bad" to simply unplug it?
[22:38] <IT_Sean> It is quite bad to simply unplug it
[22:38] <IT_Sean> you need to do a halt / shutdown first, or risk corrupting the SD card.
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[22:40] <btcNeverSleeps> Seen that the system comes from the HD, should I bother copying/backuping/dd'ing the SD card or are these generic? (I mean: in case the SD dies, can I simply fetch a new image for the SD card from the Internet and write it to a new SD card and then it's going to boot from the HD?)
[22:40] <ShorTie> it's ok to unplug it if it is not doing any thing
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[22:40] <btcNeverSleeps> ShorTie: I did turn the USB harddisk off before unplugging the thing.
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[22:41] <ShorTie> but if sdcard activeaty is going on then you risk file corruption
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[22:42] <ShorTie> so you should be ok
[22:43] <ShorTie> and for backup purposes, i would make a copy of those files in that vfat partition on the sdcard
[22:43] <btcNeverSleeps> ShorTie: I can simply copy the file or it's better to "dd" the partition? (seems like a bit of a waste to dd)
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[22:43] <ShorTie> just copy those to any sdcard is all you would to do
[22:44] <ShorTie> either or or both, lol., but copy is quick
[22:44] <btcNeverSleeps> :)
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[22:45] <ShorTie> and since you like dd, do the hd too....
[22:46] * ShorTie snickers
[22:46] <btcNeverSleeps> ShorTie: oh the HD I'll dd for sure : ) Trying to figure if there's only really 6GB out of 500 GB which is used :)
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[22:47] <ShorTie> very well could be
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[22:47] <ShorTie> flash drives work preaty good too instead of the sdcard
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[22:51] <gordonDrogon> wbk, sorry - been akf - the thing in /proc/cpuinfo you're on about.
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[22:55] <btcNeverSleeps> I've got a problem: I want to dd the Linux partition but fdisk reports it as using nearly 500 GB. However when mounted it's only 4GB in size (out of which 2GB is used). I'd like to dd only 4GB (not nearly 500 GB). Do you know how I could proceed?
[22:55] <btcNeverSleeps> (I know it's not Raspberry Pi specific)
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[23:00] <ShorTie> there is a backup script out there
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[23:01] <ShorTie> https://github.com/billw2/rpi-clone
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[23:02] <ShorTie> that might work with a little tweekin maybe
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[23:03] <btcNeverSleeps> ShorTie: ah interesting... But I temporarily shutdown the Raspberry and hooked the HD to my Linux PC to "dd". I'll try to dd and see which file size I end up with.
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[23:03] <ShorTie> most likely 500 gig
[23:04] <btcNeverSleeps> but it's weird, on the HD itself I see this: myBackup/1st_fullbackup: x86 boot sector; partition 1: ID=0xc, starthead 0, startsector 2048, 153600 sectors; partition 2: ID=0x83, starthead 3, startsector 157696, 7444480 sectors, code offset 0xb8
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[23:04] <btcNeverSleeps> which is apparently a backup of the HD... Yet it's only 4 GB or so in size.
[23:05] <ShorTie> got me on all that, lol.
[23:05] <btcNeverSleeps> : )
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[23:10] <btcNeverSleeps> I'll go annoy people in #linux regarding that issue :)
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[23:11] <icecube45> So.. I think I might build a beagle tablet
[23:11] <icecube45> Was going to make an rpi one, but hard to find good touchscreens
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[23:14] <gordonDrogon> icecube45, the adafruit one?
[23:14] <icecube45> Big touchscreens I mean
[23:14] <icecube45> 7'
[23:14] <icecube45> http://www.seeedstudio.com/depot/7-LCD-Cape-for-Beagle-Bone-Black-Touch-Display-p-1697.html
[23:14] <icecube45> thats a nice one for the beagle
[23:14] <icecube45> plus the beagle has a bit better specs
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[23:15] <icecube45> plus android
[23:15] <icecube45> or ubuntu
[23:15] <icecube45> or windows rt
[23:15] <icecube45> :D
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[23:18] <gordonDrogon> 30,000 sold vs. 3 million Pi's though ...
[23:18] <icecube45> true
[23:18] <icecube45> but it is pretty sweet
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[23:18] <gordonDrogon> I have a BBB that I was given - not even pwered it up yet.
[23:19] <icecube45> give it to me?
[23:19] <icecube45> :D
[23:19] <gordonDrogon> No.
[23:19] <icecube45> haha
[23:19] <icecube45> have any plans for it?
[23:19] <icecube45> or is it just collecting dust
[23:21] <gordonDrogon> collecting dust. maybe one day.
[23:21] <icecube45> Oh cmon, boot it up
[23:21] <icecube45> they come preflashed with debian iirc
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[23:23] <ShorTie> he's already playing with new toy
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