#raspberrypi IRC Log


IRC Log for 2014-07-06

Timestamps are in GMT/BST.

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[1:34] <LarrySteeze> hello folks
[1:34] <shiftplusone> hi
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[1:40] <LarrySteeze> how are you shiftplusone
[1:40] <shiftplusone> great
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[2:18] <surfn> hey
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[2:21] <surfn> I'd like to send some Hex codes down the network interface - anyone have any idea what I'm talking about?
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[2:38] <[Saint]> surfn: I would have my doubts, as the description of what you want to achieve has been left very vague and is very much open to interpretation.
[2:40] <surfn> [Saint]: I want to pass these hex keys, down the RJ45 http://www.remotecentral.com/cgi-bin/codes/proceed/avp/
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[2:42] <[Saint]> Why are you wanting to do this, may I ask?
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[2:47] <surfn> [Saint]: I want to control my Proceed AVP2 stereo with a Raspi
[2:48] <[Saint]> Forgive my ignorance, but, wouldn't using an IR sender be the more logical choice for that?
[2:49] <surfn> sure, and I'm going to order one on eBay... but it has a Network port, and I have a Raspi... and then I could connect it over t'internet
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[2:49] <[Saint]> Ahhhh. Aha.
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[2:50] <surfn> [Saint]: whaddya think?
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[2:53] <[Saint]> I'm trying to think of a simplistic way to achieve what you're wanting to do - but I'm not having much luck.
[2:55] <surfn> [Saint]: a dude in Debian suggested: cat file_with_magic_bits > /dev/net_jack
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[2:57] <ShorTie> who is gonna be recieving it ??
[2:57] <[Saint]> Well, that's essentially it, in its raw ugliness.
[2:57] <[Saint]> But (IIUC) that assumes that it has sole access to the network, as its not going to care if anything else is using it at the time.
[2:58] <pksato> surfn: See OSI and TCP/IP network layer model. And, answer this: What on tha layer you need to send these hex code?
[2:59] <surfn> pksato: over my head
[2:59] <[Saint]> I imagine this would be annoying because you won't get a confirmation back.
[2:59] <[Saint]> So you'd just have to assume it worked.
[3:00] <surfn> well, the volume will increase, or the power will turn off right?
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[3:03] <surfn> how do I figure out the /dev name for the network card?
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[3:06] <pksato> surfn: or use netcat (nc). If layer 3 is IP.
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[4:22] <JinKazama> driver roll up da partition please
[4:22] <JinKazama> you don't wanna see the yoncee on her knees
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[4:25] <[Saint]> o_o
[4:26] <JinKazama> wat u ain't seen a booty like this before?
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[4:29] <shiftplusone> JinKazama, you seem to be in the wrong place.
[4:29] <shiftplusone> BlackX, what's up with the bot? O_o
[4:30] <JinKazama> shiftplusone: maybe
[4:30] <[Saint]> Maybe *we're* in the wrong place...?
[4:30] <BlackX> shiftplusone, updating the Raspberry, with some bugs in process :)
[4:30] <BlackX> shiftplusone, sorry
[4:30] <JinKazama> I only love my pi half as much as I thought I would. so maybe
[4:31] <[Saint]> Diddums.
[4:31] <JinKazama> my fault tho not the pi's
[4:31] <JinKazama> didn't have a project for it, thought i could maybe use it as a desktop replacement. web browsing unbearable
[4:32] <[Saint]> Yeah. Its nothing even remotely close to a desktop replacement. Likely why its not marketed as one.
[4:32] <shiftplusone> BlackX, nuh, it's just that this channel has one bot for logging, so mayhaps you should run it by the ops.
[4:32] <[Saint]> Its essentially a cellphone from ~2008
[4:32] <[Saint]> A bsaic one, at that.
[4:33] <[Saint]> *basic
[4:33] <JinKazama> [Saint]: yeah, fair enough. i underestimated the bloat that is browsing the web today
[4:33] <shiftplusone> JinKazama, elinks/links/lynx >.>
[4:33] <JinKazama> it may be able to power the little project i am working on now. not sure though.
[4:34] <JinKazama> if file writes to the sdcard are a factor slower than prob not
[4:34] <JinKazama> ^then
[4:34] <shiftplusone> lets you surf like it's 1992
[4:34] <JinKazama> shiftplusone: as much as i would like to go back to 1994. nope
[4:34] <[Saint]> ..its not?
[4:34] <[Saint]> I should get out more.
[4:36] <shiftplusone> It is, however, 3:35AM, so I have no idea why I'm here right now (other than to whinge at bot owners and something about a 'yoncee')
[4:37] <JinKazama> http://i.imgur.com/jxqSfXT.png
[4:37] <JinKazama> for u saint
[4:37] <JinKazama> stay shiftplusone
[4:37] <JinKazama> i'm lonely tonight
[4:37] <rau> JinKazama: Please stop abusing your return key, you bigheaded neckbeard.
[4:37] <JinKazama> rau: u know me well. :-(
[4:38] <shiftplusone> I have that work thing on Monday, so that wouldn't be a good idea.
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[6:40] <DMackey> https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/10la/raspiado-the-usb-hub-that-fits-your-raspberry-pi?ref=category
[6:40] <DMackey> Raspiado - the USB hub that fits your Raspberry Pi
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[7:00] <[Saint]> Raspi not impractical enough? Bolt on a USB hub that will ensure it never fits in any case ever! ;)
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[7:05] <Hagbard-Celine> hahaha
[7:05] <Hagbard-Celine> i hate that too
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[7:09] <[Saint]> I find it interesting the the designers stated case was to have at least three USB devices, being wireless, mouse, and keyboard.
[7:09] <[Saint]> Primarily because the former negates the latter two.
[7:10] <Hagbard-Celine> seen hummingboard specs?
[7:10] <Hagbard-Celine> http://www.solid-run.com/products/hummingboard/
[7:11] <[Saint]> I have. I wish such projects would stop touting themselves as Raspberrypi rivals.
[7:11] <[Saint]> They're not.
[7:11] <Hagbard-Celine> soon.. same footprint
[7:11] <[Saint]> And never will be.
[7:11] <Hagbard-Celine> whats prob with this one ?
[7:11] <[Saint]> To be a rival, it would need to be in the same market, it isn't.
[7:11] <[Saint]> None of these alternate boards are.
[7:11] <Hagbard-Celine> why is that?
[7:12] <[Saint]> Because everything about the raspi is governed by cost, and use case.
[7:12] <[Saint]> Its an educational board, nothing more.
[7:12] <[Saint]> If you wanted something performant, buying the pi was a mistake in the first place.
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[7:13] <[Saint]> There were already many other capable boards in a similar form factor before it.
[7:14] <Hagbard-Celine> i still cant find one that can run the XBMC interface + playback smooth at 1080p without issues..
[7:14] <Hagbard-Celine> pi is just slighlty underpowered for this task..
[7:15] <[Saint]> Slightly?
[7:15] <[Saint]> ;)
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[7:15] <Hagbard-Celine> nothing suitable in same price range can do it yet either from what ive gathered.. several android settop box offerings on amazon and none of them can get the job done
[7:16] <Hagbard-Celine> i had hoped since project rumors that with 1080 p 30fps decoding as a listed spec that this would be the AIO ultimate media center interface client device going forward, but it isn't.. firthermore, nothing suitable has revealed itself STILL
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[7:18] <[Saint]> Well...think about it for a second. Just, actually think about the logistics of it. Raspberrypi is in bed with Broadcom, and even _still_ they had *enormous* difficulties getting it out the door at this price point.
[7:18] <Hagbard-Celine> openelece + overclocking helps some but still not how i know xbmc can look and feel.. this hummingboard might be able to handle it though.. time will tell i suppose.
[7:18] <[Saint]> Smaller players, nope. No way.
[7:18] <[Saint]> Not at a comparable price, at least.
[7:18] <Hagbard-Celine> id be willing to pay a premium for dual core proc.
[7:19] <[Saint]> The STE Snowball has been available for *ages*.
[7:19] <Hagbard-Celine> i think many would pay for the performance with the same footprint. im surprised no rumors have sprouted for a potential upgrade
[7:19] <[Saint]> Novathor based dual core. Bunch of sensors. Cheap.
[7:19] <Hagbard-Celine> STE snowball
[7:20] <[Saint]> I think you're mistaking Raspberrypi for having a different target market than it does.
[7:20] <apainter> i was trying to see if it was possible to put the display to sleep. i clicked on preferences > Monitor Settings and got an error message: Unable to get monitor information! how can i fix this?
[7:21] <rikkib> Tey for kids
[7:21] <rikkib> Toy
[7:22] <[Saint]> rikkib: essentially, yes.
[7:23] <[Saint]> Something you're not going to cray about if it breaks.
[7:23] <[Saint]> SOmething you can (hopefully) learn something from.
[7:23] <[Saint]> NOT a desktop replacement. Nor media center. :)
[7:23] <[Saint]> *cry about
[7:24] <rikkib> Not a web cam either
[7:25] <[Saint]> I think the factor is that people use them *because* they're cheap, and essentially disposable.
[7:25] <[Saint]> Not because they're necessarily suited for the task at hand.
[7:25] <[Saint]> Rapid prototyping, etc.
[7:25] <rikkib> I have not found anything that they are ggod for
[7:26] <[Saint]> They're good for their intended purpose.
[7:26] <apainter> they're also smaller and easier to guard against evil maid attacks (bios isn't (u)efi ) ;P
[7:26] * apainter ducks!
[7:26] <rikkib> Maybe an aggregation point for a wireless sensor network
[7:26] <rikkib> But that also requires special stuff
[7:26] <apainter> 2600 decided they make good pi pivots
[7:27] <rikkib> IE I use MC9S08 and nRF24
[7:27] <apainter> though they have a rather stupid way of implementing them.
[7:27] <rikkib> and just feed raw data via the RF link
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[7:28] <apainter> [Saint], is there a way to sleep the monitor connected to the pi? (from the pi)
[7:29] <rikkib> I though Raspbian did power saving out of the box
[7:29] <apainter> i was trying to see if it was possible to put the display to sleep. i clicked on preferences > Monitor Settings and got an error message: Unable to get monitor information!
[7:29] <rikkib> maybe that is console mode
[7:30] <[Saint]> No idea. None of mine have a display yet. I have one sitting there, and the case to mount it is.
[7:30] <[Saint]> But... [Saint] is a lazy, lazy boy.
[7:30] <apainter> oh
[7:30] <rikkib> Been over a year since I hooked a monitor to one
[7:31] <[Saint]> I have adafruit's piTFT module and the pimoroni TFT case sitting here.
[7:31] <[Saint]> But I got distracted by the SHort Crust case, and got that instead.
[7:31] <apainter> i may need to run and hide when [Saint] finds out what i want to do with mine
[7:31] <[Saint]> err, as well.
[7:32] <[Saint]> Heh. Do what you want with them. Just don't be surprised when out-of-the-box solutions massively outperform <your_creation> ;)
[7:32] <apainter> i want to turn it into the world's most advanced alarm clock (since i cant find a premade one that does what i want)
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[7:33] <[Saint]> I have some timers hooked up to a RAIL (redundant array of inexpensive lamps).
[7:33] <[Saint]> Artificial sunrise, baby.
[7:33] <apainter> set an appointment in calendar for 3 months away and have it wake me (with snooze! ) on that day. no need to set an alarm, it handles that when i set the appointment in the calendar
[7:34] <[Saint]> My phone already does that...
[7:34] <apainter> mine can do that but not with snooze
[7:34] <[Saint]> Sorry, my <multiple_phones> already do that.
[7:34] <apainter> it's a hack. appointment alert tone at max volume
[7:35] <[Saint]> Ah.
[7:35] <apainter> no snooze
[7:35] <apainter> i want the works
[7:35] <[Saint]> Snooze is a death trap for me.
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[7:35] <[Saint]> It may as well say "sleep through the rest of the day" instead of snooze.
[7:36] <apainter> not having a snooze means certain tardiness ( in some cases certain death! ) ;P
[7:37] * [Saint] wishes to add that he was very surprised at how effective waking with nothing but light can be, but it means you need to account for ~30 mins grace period.
[7:37] <[Saint]> Instead of saying "I will wake at this time, and this timew precisely"
[7:38] <apainter> the grand plan is a pi on a ups, running kontact (full kde pim suite with just kde libs vice whole universe of kde ) i have it working with this one as an experiment but this one isnt mine. eventually gonna try to help make this one a smart alarm system for a house with emailed alerts when it goes off
[7:38] <rikkib> Haha Inmate Rolf
[7:40] <apainter> also is there a way to encrypt the swap on the pi?
[7:42] * rikkib pushes a high horse at saint
[7:43] <apainter> yes? no? maybe?
[7:43] <[Saint]> Man...Michael Jackson, Jimmy Saville, Rolh Harris, its almost as though we can't trust small children with crazy, flamboyant, obviously questionable TV personalities anymore.
[7:43] <[Saint]> Go figure.
[7:43] <rikkib> Teachers
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[7:44] <rikkib> but that is not what I am referring to really.... What is the point of encrypting things on a RPi
[7:44] <[Saint]> "Two little boys had two little"; "...sssshhh Rolph, wait for the depositions hearing"
[7:46] <[Saint]> rikkib: I assume, <puts on tinfoil hat>, because of The Man, man.
[7:46] <apainter> why is a political question ( useless for anything but starting arguments and fights) provide the info or let someone else provide it
[7:47] <[Saint]> (seems a little weird when you could just as easily take the whole filesystem with you, but, yeah)
[7:47] <apainter> well you cant always keep it safe
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[7:47] <apainter> things get stolen
[7:48] <apainter> i.e.
[7:48] <rikkib> fall over
[7:48] <rikkib> etc
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[7:48] <apainter> wait i forgot you guys live in a world without evil ;P
[7:48] <[Saint]> To answer your question - its a swap *file*, so, full disk encryption, or encrypting just that file, will have you sorted.
[7:48] <rikkib> Then of course there is the issue of a judge locking you up until you hand over the password
[7:49] <apainter> is full disk encryption possible? ( i do that with debian)
[7:49] <apainter> it's for the kid sister not the judge
[7:50] <rikkib> Hit her hard
[7:50] <rikkib> :)
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[7:50] <apainter> so that's a no response to question?
[7:50] <rikkib> chuckle
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[7:51] <[Saint]> Y'all need some Google.
[7:52] <rikkib> TrueCrypt
[7:52] * [Saint] smirks
[7:53] * apainter pukes!
[7:53] <rikkib> winblow plausible <sp> deniablity </sp>
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[7:56] <[Saint]> rikkib: there is a very simple way out of the "compelled to hand over passphrase" scenario - ensure you only know half of it.
[7:56] <[Saint]> (or, at least claim this to be the case)
[7:56] <[Saint]> If a third party not involved in <offense> has the other half of the key...
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[7:57] <rikkib> That is not how it works... You actually hand over a password
[7:58] <rikkib> The password you hand over decrypts data (system) with nothing on it.
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[8:01] <rikkib> Labor promises....
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[8:01] <rikkib> I David promise to be a mediocre opposition next term.
[8:02] <rikkib> Labor policy
[8:02] <rikkib> Thay only need one
[8:02] <rikkib> They
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[8:08] <apainter> thanks for the info
[8:08] <apainter> gtg
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[9:05] <lachesis> has anyone used EDIS's free RPi colo offer?
[9:06] <lachesis> and if so, do you have the URL for the web management console where i can do things like restart the box?
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[9:13] <[Saint]> Colocated raspis?
[9:13] <[Saint]> People keep coming up with brand new ways to make the raspi hilariously impractical. :)
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[9:25] <geordie> [Saint]: don't forget that it is intended to be an educational tool
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[9:25] <Birkelund> Anybody who knows why i get the following error in my syslog from my wireless usb pen
[9:25] <Birkelund> Jul 6 09:14:27 camera kernel: [74214.809509] ieee80211 phy0: rt2800usb_entry_txstatus_timeout: Warning - TX status timeout for entry 5 in queue 2
[9:25] <Birkelund> Jul 6 09:14:27 camera kernel: [74214.809544] ieee80211 phy0: rt2800usb_entry_txstatus_timeout: Warning - TX status timeout for entry 6 in queue 2
[9:25] <Birkelund> Jul 6 09:14:27 camera kernel: [74214.813789] ieee80211 phy0: rt2800usb_txdone: Warning - Got TX status for an empty queue 2, dropping
[9:25] <Birkelund> Jul 6 09:14:27 camera kernel: [74214.813915] ieee80211 phy0: rt2800usb_txdone: Warning - Got TX status for an empty queue 2, dropping
[9:25] <Birkelund> Jul 6 09:14:27 camera kernel: [74214.813974] ieee80211 phy0: rt2800usb_txdone: Warning - Got TX status for an empty queue 2, dropping
[9:25] <rau> Birkelund: Please stop abusing your return key, you indolent halfwit.
[9:25] <Birkelund> what?
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[9:26] <Birkelund> i've searched the raspberry pi forum but cant seem to find a reason or soloution
[9:28] <geordie> rau: he pasted in a block of text...
[9:28] <geordie> is that not obvious?
[9:29] <Birkelund> i think perhaps rau is somekind of bot. I got the reply msg from him instant after i hit enter.
[9:30] <geordie> that would certainly explain the obtuseness.
[9:30] <Birkelund> yes. It just took me a coupple of sec to realize
[9:30] <Birkelund> I dont suppose you have some wise words to my problem?
[9:31] <geordie> i'm afraid not
[9:31] <Birkelund> ohh okay
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[9:34] <geordie> it looks like the kernel was expecting a data transfer but coming up emptyhanded
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[9:37] <geordie> do you know if others have used the same device with success?
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[9:43] <Birkelund> there are quote alot of post of this if you search google, but i havent found one yet with an answer
[9:43] <Birkelund> I can see that they are pretty old, so i was sure that there must have been found a soloution by now
[9:46] <[Saint]> paste 6 lines of text; get abused.
[9:46] <[Saint]> Niiiiiiice work, community.
[9:47] <[Saint]> Should I also point out the misuse of the word indolent?
[9:48] <[Saint]> Guess its too late.
[9:50] <Birkelund> as i said, i think it is a bot
[9:50] <geordie> a truly indolent person would have avoided multiple use of teh return key
[9:51] <[Saint]> My point exactly.
[9:51] <[Saint]> If it is a bot, it likely won't be here long.
[9:52] <[Saint]> A sincerely doubt an "abuse people" bot was approved for this channel.
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[9:52] <[Saint]> s/A/I/
[9:53] <geordie> this is probably the kindest irc channel ever
[9:53] <Birkelund> i got the msg from him the sec i hit enter
[9:54] <[Saint]> Yeah, I have it here at 22ms after the fact. Hardly human responses.
[9:55] <[Saint]> Were that possible, your fingers would likely autoignite.
[9:57] <Birkelund> yes. So must be some kind of a bot
[10:01] <Mr_Sheesh> or script, I can do those in mirc (if you post too many lines in too quick a time, pitch a fit) - just haven't
[10:01] <Birkelund> ohh okay
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[10:02] <[Saint]> either one is a no-no.
[10:03] <Mr_Sheesh> 6 lines of text is a no-no in some chans too, tho (pastebin would be safer, often)
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[10:03] <Birkelund> well sorry
[10:04] <Mr_Sheesh> Just learn - impossible to read the chan ops' minds :)
[10:04] <[Saint]> Its not impossible to read the topic,m and the linked rules, though. ;)
[10:04] <Birkelund> i believed it would all come as one line. I put it on one line and hit enter
[10:04] <Mr_Sheesh> I sure dunno the chan's rules, just have seen other sets. whuh read the topic? Huh?! o.O LOL
[10:05] <[Saint]> Pfffft. Kids. ;P
[10:05] <Mr_Sheesh> Older kid here LOL
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[10:07] <Mr_Sheesh> Usually chan ops tell you rules at first, unless you spam or are intentionally trolling people, only fair :)
[10:08] <geordie> especially in this channel
[10:08] <rikkib> Ankle bitter friendly here it is
[10:09] <rikkib> Kind of hypocritical considering the Intertubes are hardly kid friendly
[10:11] <[Saint]> You can't pain the Internet with a single brush, though.
[10:11] <[Saint]> *paint
[10:12] <rikkib> Yeah
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[10:12] <[Saint]> Good thing is that the more relaxed ops eventually taught the uptight ones how to act.
[10:12] <rikkib> The Intertubes is how ppl make money to wage war
[10:12] <[Saint]> It took multiple months.
[10:12] <[Saint]> But it smoothed out.
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[10:12] <[Saint]> Early on, it was kinda nightmarish here.
[10:13] * rikkib stays out of that debate
[10:13] <[Saint]> Fortunately, there's no debate anymore. :)
[10:14] * ShorTie sets mode -o ShorTie
[10:14] <geordie> uh of
[10:14] <geordie> uh oh
[10:15] <[Saint]> Nah. Just oddly set autoops.
[10:16] <rikkib> I have a real good answer to irc troubles
[10:16] <rikkib> I just walk away
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[10:17] <[Saint]> Nah. Establish dominance. Gotta win those Internet points.
[10:18] <rikkib> Haha
[10:18] <rikkib> Sounds like Usenet
[10:18] <rikkib> Godwin
[10:19] <rikkib> Mind you I do have a big super dupper troll whacker
[10:20] <rikkib> Last one the go down was one Spamtard aka Jamie Ballie
[10:20] <rikkib> The troll of nanae
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[10:21] <rikkib> http://zlspam.blogspot.co.nz/
[10:22] <Mr_Sheesh> I opped a DalNet social channel for a while during the spambot wars; Could boot spambots on join, sorta fun but occasionally caught some regular users using unusual names; Good way to learn your IRC clients' scripting capabilities, also good way to get chewed out by the senior Ops. Last time I tell someone I know how to get rid of spambots tho, they "volunteered" me to Op there, in return
[10:22] <Mr_Sheesh> :P
[10:23] <rikkib> Early bot net herders used IRC
[10:23] <rikkib> Nasty scum they were
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[10:23] <Mr_Sheesh> Truly. Tons of them on DalNet
[10:24] <rikkib> I try to stay away from those types now days
[10:25] <Mr_Sheesh> Yep; That chan ended up moving and since has fallen apart - but it was interesting when I was doing it :)
[10:25] <rikkib> It just means trouble as if I get involved as I have to tell someone
[10:25] <rikkib> That someone tends to have people arrested
[10:26] <Mr_Sheesh> that could be good Karma, but sorta tedious etc.
[10:26] <rikkib> You get sick of it eventually
[10:26] <Mr_Sheesh> All I could do was boot them, so they couldn't post uhm "enlargement" ads let's just say etc. in the chan - Yeah, I got sick of it before I started opping
[10:27] <rikkib> Track them down, usually a bun fight starts
[10:27] <rikkib> then Vint sorts them out
[10:28] <rikkib> As an anti spammer I started to talk to Vint in the 1990's
[10:28] <rikkib> Vint being Mr Vinton Cerf
[10:28] <[Saint]> I prefer my sanity.
[10:28] <rikkib> I tracked them down and fed him info
[10:29] <[Saint]> Rather than waging unwinnable wars.
[10:29] <rikkib> Lots got jailed
[10:29] <rikkib> Your mate down in Chch
[10:29] <rikkib> The pill spammer
[10:29] <rikkib> Got him in 2003
[10:29] <[Saint]> Heh. Hardly a mate. An acquaintance.
[10:29] <Mr_Sheesh> When I was doing anti-spam I called some NOCs, had one spammer doing a run, he gave me crud over the phone, so I called their upstream -evil grin- IDK if any I tracked were jailed, local guy (Bruce) was suing them and getting money from them in court, that was quite interesting :)
[10:30] <rikkib> You do know him?
[10:30] <rikkib> Small world
[10:30] <Mr_Sheesh> Bruce M - not Cerf
[10:31] <Mr_Sheesh> Seattle BBSers got to know each other back then at weekly meetings; then we got on the 'net
[10:31] <rikkib> No saint seems to know Shane Atkinson NZ pill spammer
[10:32] <Mr_Sheesh> Aaah; Well, maybe we can take up a collection for the nails etc. for a crucifixion =p
[10:32] <rikkib> Haha
[10:32] <[Saint]> NZ pill-spammer herder.
[10:32] <rikkib> I hold no grudges
[10:32] <[Saint]> My understanding is that /technically/ he did no spamming.
[10:33] <rikkib> That would be correct
[10:33] <rikkib> Dean Westbury was the pest
[10:33] <rikkib> and Ruslan
[10:33] <rikkib> Westbury phoning me
[10:34] <rikkib> sending me virus
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[10:34] <rikkib> demanding money
[10:34] <Mr_Sheesh> Nice person... -.-
[10:35] <rikkib> And how Ruslan has managed to stay out of jail I do not know... I guess that is the soviet block
[10:36] <Mr_Sheesh> Has connections or something I guess
[10:37] <rikkib> ruslan ibragimov
[10:37] <rikkib> The first bot master
[10:37] <[Saint]> s/first/first widely known/
[10:37] <rikkib> Owner of Send Safe
[10:37] <rikkib> No he was the first
[10:39] <rikkib> Shane's mate Van Essen was annoyed when he got peeled back
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[10:40] <[Saint]> Of the two, in my opinion of them, Lance was the bigger bell-end.
[10:40] <rikkib> I asked Mike to seed my email address again
[10:40] <[Saint]> I found Shane tolerable.
[10:40] <[Saint]> But I rarely had much to do with him.
[10:41] <rikkib> Once I exposed Shane etc they list washed me
[10:41] <rikkib> Your not Duxbury are you
[10:42] <rikkib> No you can;t be?
[10:42] <rikkib> He is a Ham
[10:42] <[Saint]> I'm not, and I can't be, no. :)
[10:42] <rikkib> Do you know Duxbury as well
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[10:42] <rikkib> He says he did Shanes PC's
[10:42] <[Saint]> I don't believe so.
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[10:43] <[Saint]> 10~14 years ago is a little hazy.
[10:43] <rikkib> Shane runs a spacey bidness
[10:43] <rikkib> I thinik now days
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[10:45] <rikkib> Last I saw of Atkinson was when a snapped Duxbury harvesting email addresses from an NZART monthly publication
[10:46] <rikkib> http://krebsonsecurity.com/tag/peter-bennett/
[10:47] <rikkib> 2010
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[11:21] <emilsedgh> Guys, how can I update linux on my Raspberry Pi? I have Raspbian installed, i searched through its archives and found a linux-3.14 package. I installed it manually using dpkg and copied /boot//boot/initrd.img-3.14-1-rpi to /boot/kernel.img
[11:21] <emilsedgh> but it doesnt boot anymore
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[11:22] <Mr_Sheesh> I've just been updating the image on my alternate sd card on another computer - then swapping sd cards
[11:23] <emilsedgh> Mr_Sheesh: how exactly? but installing the package? Its just that I cannot find any linux-3.12 package on my pi. I wonder if installing that linux-14 package is the right way of doing it
[11:23] <emilsedgh> s/but/by
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[11:24] <Mr_Sheesh> I download an image on a windows laptop and write it to the SD card, but it could just as easily be as Linux machine.
[11:25] <Mr_Sheesh> win32diskimager but Linux has equiv tools (My linnux box is apart, tomorrow I hope to get it back going with better innards)
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[11:25] <ShorTie> apt-get update/upgrade for stable stuff and rpi-update for testing stuff is the normal ways to update a pi
[11:26] <emilsedgh> ShorTie: oh, so installing that package i found isnt the normal way. ok, i will look for rpi-update, but my problem is that rpi-update needs internet access
[11:26] <emilsedgh> my pi has no internet access, that's why im trying to update it to newer kernel
[11:26] <ShorTie> both do
[11:27] <Mr_Sheesh> get the image on another machine & do the sd card write - works
[11:27] <emilsedgh> Mr_Sheesh: I got the image on another machine and scp'ed it into my pi. is what 'wrong'?
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[11:28] <emilsedgh> that*
[11:28] <Mr_Sheesh> if it works it works :)
[11:28] <emilsedgh> yeah well the problem is that after installing the image and copying the boot file to /boot/kernel.img, it wont boot.
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[11:29] <ShorTie> then it sounds like it doesn't work
[11:29] <[Saint]> If you're wanting to keep up-to-date, I'm not sure raspbian is the best choice.
[11:30] <[Saint]> In fact, I'm positive it isn't.
[11:30] <[Saint]> But, there's very rarely any reason to go for the latest bleeding edge kernel.
[11:30] <ShorTie> the pi is not a latest-n-greatest thing, it's more of a learning toy
[11:30] <emilsedgh> my original issue is that I have a 3G modem connected to my Pi. (Pi works as Router). usb_modeswitch fails to work most of the times and I read that the problem is fixed in 3.14 which has a new driver for usb controllers
[11:33] <ShorTie> pi's don't work to good for a router because of the limited usb bandwith
[11:35] <gordonDrogon> morning.
[11:35] <Mr_Sheesh> Why not use one of the existing Linux installs for a WRT54G or the like instead maybe? Or a PC104 computer or laptop
[11:36] <emilsedgh> ShorTie: well, i was happy with it, except fot the usb_modeswitch problem.
[11:37] <Mr_Sheesh> If it's fast enough it's fast enough :)
[11:38] <ShorTie> cool, just trying to point out some of it's limitations is all
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[11:40] <Mr_Sheesh> It's a nice single-task computer, not great for doing 17 things at once tho, is all :)
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[11:52] <[Saint]> Depending on what your one thing is, it might not even do that. :)
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[11:55] <Aias> hi. anyone know why the default raspberry pi arch setup takes so long to accept an ssh connection? i have other devices on the same network that i can ssh into instantly. but with alarmpi it always seems to take ~16 seconds to get any response
[11:56] <emilsedgh> Mr_Sheesh: I use it as Wireless router AND media center and works fast enough :)
[11:56] <emilsedgh> well, fast enough for me at least
[11:57] <Mr_Sheesh> You'd have a tough time making it a file server for a 1200 person company tho :P
[11:57] <[Saint]> Aias: mine is instant
[11:57] <[Saint]> (where ~30ms == instant)
[11:57] <Aias> ok, thanks [Saint]
[11:58] <Aias> i'll try swapping some things around
[11:58] <[Saint]> my sshd_conf is nothing particularly complex
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[11:59] <Aias> perhaps unrelated to the issue, but, do you have TCPKeepAlive turned on?
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[12:00] <Aias> i've tried with on and off and not sure which was best
[12:00] <Aias> all i could see different were alot of empty packets flying down the wire (with turrned on)
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[12:02] <[Saint]> TCP keepalive isn't going to help with the initial connection at all.
[12:02] <[Saint]> It just *may* help with subsequent command after the connection is established.
[12:02] <[Saint]> And, no, I don't.
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[12:05] <[Saint]> http://pastebin.com/tYdTghNh very simple
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[12:07] <Encrypt> [Saint], To restrict external SSH access?
[12:07] <[Saint]> primarily
[12:07] <Encrypt> I also do the same :p
[12:07] <Encrypt> It works well
[12:08] <[Saint]> cert based auth, no root login, allowed users only.
[12:12] <takkie> [Saint]: may i ask, what keysize do you use. Beceause ssh-ing into my Pi takes a bit long, about 3 seconds, with a 4096 rsa key
[12:12] <takkie> i think it may be because of the key bit size.
[12:12] <gordonDrogon> takkie, that's about right 2 ish seconds for me.
[12:13] <gordonDrogon> takkie, also check reverse DNS - sshd tries to do a reverse dns lookup and that can be slow if you don't have it setup correctly.
[12:13] <gordonDrogon> you can turn this off in the config file.
[12:13] <takkie> gordonDrogon: aah, ok. thanks for the tip.
[12:18] <[Saint]> takkie: due to an amusing typo that I decided to run with, 40960
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[12:19] <Hi_Pi> How can I avoid SD card corruption?
[12:19] <takkie> haha really
[12:19] <Encrypt> Wel...
[12:19] <Encrypt> Well*
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[12:19] <Encrypt> 3 seconds is nothing
[12:19] <Hi_Pi> I have tried everything. Different cards, different psu, read only rootfs, https://bertold.org/sdtool/, ...
[12:19] <takkie> i'm not complaining, 3 seconds is fine.
[12:19] <Hi_Pi> but yesterday still a card got corrupted
[12:20] <Hi_Pi> this only seems to happen with PI's, I have other embedded devices with sdcard (even with normal read/write ext4) and they never get corrupted
[12:20] <[Saint]> Hi_Pi: how are you powering down? If you ever pull the juice out without safely shutting down, you're practically begging for FS corruption
[12:21] <Hi_Pi> The system probably shut down once or twice by simply switching off power but normally it runs 24/7
[12:21] <Hi_Pi> it got corrupted while running
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[12:21] <Hi_Pi> but I think it must be a hardware issue with the Pi
[12:22] <Hi_Pi> since that sdtool program makes the sdcards unwritable, so they should not be able to get corrupt
[12:22] <[Saint]> Have you measure the output from your PSU(s)?
[12:22] <[Saint]> Its highly possible that you used multiple crappy ones.
[12:22] <Hi_Pi> Now I am using 12V->5V DC/DC
[12:22] <Hi_Pi> the voltage is really clean when inspected with a scope and 5.002V
[12:22] <[Saint]> Hmmm.
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[12:23] <[Saint]> I've managed to keep a pi up for a hundred days+
[12:23] <[Saint]> SO its definitely not a general issue.
[12:23] <[Saint]> But there's obviously going to be some manufacturing tolerance.
[12:24] <Hi_Pi> The corruption typically happens after 1-2 months
[12:24] <Hi_Pi> also with multiple pi's
[12:25] <Hi_Pi> I don't think it is a problem with out software, the same program is run on a beaglebone and these never get corrupted
[12:25] <Hi_Pi> even if they are switched off hard a few times
[12:26] <gordonDrogon> Hi_Pi, are you running the latest firmware?
[12:26] <shiftplusone> Hi_Pi, hey! Are you running.... what he said...
[12:26] <Hi_Pi> maybe not the latest, I think it is around 2-3 months old
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[12:26] <shiftplusone> try updating with rpi-update
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[12:26] <gordonDrogon> You are deinately in a minoriy though - not saying its impissible these days, but if it were regular then the 3 million other Pi users would be spamming the forums like mad by now..
[12:27] <gordonDrogon> the usual issue is power supply and crap SD cards. Usually cheapies bought off ebay or fake kingston ones.
[12:27] <Hi_Pi> Yeah I found some forum topics with the same problem but no solutions
[12:27] <shiftplusone> probably old forum topics
[12:28] <shiftplusone> Hi_Pi, Gordon and I have been going out of our way to corrupt an sd card. I set up a pi that starts writing lots of small files and cut the power while it's syncing. Left it going for a few days, and nothing. I tried with one large file... nothing.
[12:28] <gordonDrogon> last time I had unnexplained corruption was well over a year back (I have 7 Pi's right now which I often pull the plug on)
[12:28] * [Saint] isn't sure how much of that 3M number translates into actual users.
[12:28] <[Saint]> Considerably less, I would posit.
[12:28] <gordonDrogon> [Saint], true - with people like me having half a dozen or more ;)
[12:28] <Hi_Pi> Aha, I will try making a new image with the latest firmware
[12:28] <shiftplusone> Hi_Pi, if you could send in your current setup, we could take a really close look at it.
[12:29] <Hi_Pi> I can test the corruption quickly by putting sleep 120; reboot in /etc/rc.local
[12:29] <Hi_Pi> it dies in <12 hours that way
[12:29] <shiftplusone> wow
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[12:29] <shiftplusone> is this with all sd cards?
[12:29] <shiftplusone> I am guessing you've tried a few different ones
[12:29] <Hi_Pi> Yeah around 5 types
[12:29] * [Saint] has a spare pi
[12:29] <[Saint]> Lets give this a go...
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[12:30] <Hi_Pi> ( sleep 120; reboot ) &
[12:30] <Hi_Pi> this is the actual command I use
[12:31] <shiftplusone> Hi_Pi, so yeah, we're actually looking for a setup which results in reproducible corruption. If using the latest image and firmware doesn't fix your issue and you're certain that your power supply is good, please get in touch.
[12:31] <[Saint]> Ok. Well. She's doin' her thing. Lets so how long it takes her to fall off the network.
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[12:31] <[Saint]> *see how
[12:31] <Hi_Pi> I will try putting new raspbian on the card and do it
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[12:32] <[Saint]> shiftplusone: have you guys found the mythical "bad sdcard" (that isn't an obvious fake) yet?
[12:32] <[Saint]> gordonDrogon also: ^
[12:32] <gordonDrogon> you want me to run that test too?
[12:33] <[Saint]> Err, ah, no. The above question.
[12:33] <shiftplusone> [Saint], (I was talking about the other Gordon)
[12:33] <Hi_Pi> afk
[12:33] <gordonDrogon> yes, the /other/ gordon ...
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[12:35] <[Saint]> My basic understanding is that despite repeated claims to the contrary, no one has managed to present a "bad" sdcard that works everywhere else, and repeatable trashes itself in the pi.
[12:35] <[Saint]> Nor has a "bricked" (by way of raspi) card been presented for inspection.
[12:35] <[Saint]> I would /love/ to know if that is no longer, or is still, true.
[12:36] <shiftplusone> Gordon is away this week, but I'll ask him when he's back.
[12:37] <shiftplusone> I know gordonDrogon has seen a card that trashes itself, but it was a chinese no-name one.
[12:37] <[Saint]> The raspi has been exexpectedly good at rtooting out fake sdcards and teaching people that they get what they pay for.
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[12:37] <SpeedEvil> SD cards do just die
[12:38] <SpeedEvil> They are basically SSDs, with none of the fancy expensive stuff in them, so are even more fragile.
[12:38] <[Saint]> They do, yes, but what I'm more interested in is a raspi that *causes* this death.
[12:38] <[Saint]> As many have claimed.
[12:38] <[Saint]> sdcards eventually dying is something we can all agree on, I'm sure. :)
[12:38] <shiftplusone> There's also a bad crystal on some of the earlier pis from China, but I don't know if that affects the sd cards.
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[12:41] <shiftplusone> We don't have to run on the same time, [Saint] >_<
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[12:57] <wooter> I usually get around 7MB/s transfer over LAN from apache on rpi, now it's only getting around 4.5MB/s. I tried rebooting, top is showing nothing else using the CPU extensively.
[12:57] <wooter> I did firmware update recently, maybe it is cause of slow down ?
[12:58] <wooter> i tried nginx, it gets around 4.9MB/s
[12:58] <wooter> when its transferring, cpu usage goes to 100%
[12:59] <shiftplusone> can you test with iperf?
[13:00] <wooter> i spose i could
[13:00] <wooter> i should try from another PC also
[13:00] <shiftplusone> (it's just a better test than using apache or nginx)
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[13:05] <wooter> [ 4] local port 5001 connected with port 57776
[13:05] <wooter> [ ID] Interval Transfer Bandwidth
[13:05] <wooter> [ 4] 0.0-10.1 sec 113 MBytes 94.0 Mbits/sec
[13:06] <shiftplusone> so that's pretty much line speed, no?
[13:06] <wooter> yep
[13:06] <shiftplusone> almost 12MB/s even
[13:06] <wooter> 100Mb switch
[13:07] <wooter> come to think of it I noticed some scripts were taking longer to complete last week
[13:07] <wooter> maybe i need to wipe and reinstall
[13:14] <shiftplusone> Hi_Pi, any luck?
[13:14] <Hi_Pi> I have not been able to test it yet
[13:14] <Hi_Pi> Since raspbian cannot be installed on 2GB card
[13:14] <Hi_Pi> and I am not a work where I have the 8GB ones
[13:15] <shiftplusone> ah =(
[13:15] <ppq> you can install it even on 512 MB cards
[13:15] <ppq> with this thing https://github.com/debian-pi/raspbian-ua-netinst
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[13:15] <Hi_Pi> The card I had in the Pi cannot be reimaged as I thought, it gives IO errors when writing so it is more deeply damaged than just the data on it
[13:16] <Hi_Pi> ppq: good, thank you
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[13:17] <shiftplusone> Hi_Pi, which card is it?
[13:17] <Hi_Pi> Kingston Class 4
[13:17] <Hi_Pi> pretty cheap one I think
[13:17] <shiftplusone> hm
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[13:19] <Hi_Pi> Apparently SD cards are often fakes
[13:19] <Hi_Pi> there is a chinese guy with us and he said that if you buy the card from the chinese oem they can put whatever label you want on it
[13:20] <shiftplusone> yeah
[13:20] <Encrypt> huhu
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[13:21] <shiftplusone> A guy wanted to bundle an sd card with custom branded sd card with his kit. Found a manufacturer in China, sent some cards out for testing and they were just rubbish. Only worked for a short time.
[13:21] <Encrypt> I even saw fake AA batteries
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[13:21] <shiftplusone> filled with flour?
[13:22] <shiftplusone> Someone did a put a video up with a tiny battery inside a larger battery case with the empty space filled with flour XD
[13:22] <shiftplusone> ah, ebay =)
[13:22] <Encrypt> --> http://youtu.be/eOshOXcSkDA?t=57s
[13:22] <Encrypt> Yeah, with flour
[13:23] <Encrypt> shiftplusone, I think you're thinking about this video too :P
[13:23] <shiftplusone> yup, that's it.
[13:23] <Encrypt> :]
[13:23] <Encrypt> I was completely astonished when I saw it!
[13:23] <Hi_Pi> I have made a 2TB usb stick to trick people with
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[13:25] <Hi_Pi> It's just a normal 4GB one with the controller configured for 2TB, the address space wraps around, but with a 4GB partition it can be used while windows displays 2TB
[13:26] <shiftplusone> I've received a usb stick like that. Was meant to have a few gigs, but only had a few mb of usable space. Hurray for paypal resolution centre.
[13:26] <ppq> they do that with hard drives too. http://i.imgur.com/6Iwnv.jpg
[13:27] <Hi_Pi> haha nice one
[13:27] <shiftplusone> This one is still my favourite http://www.neowin.net/news/fake-chinese-500-gb-external-drive-is-one-clever-paperweight-literally
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[13:28] <Hi_Pi> good deal
[13:28] <Hi_Pi> SSD for the price of HDD
[13:28] <Hi_Pi> cannot complain really
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[13:30] <Encrypt> shiftplusone, XD
[13:30] <Encrypt> Just epic! xD
[13:31] <Hi_Pi> https://c2.staticflickr.com/4/3059/2618014599_811b038cbc.jpg
[13:31] <shiftplusone> lol!
[13:31] <Hi_Pi> seems stupid to put one of another voltage in it
[13:32] <Hi_Pi> lower capacity may not be to obvious in some designs but lower voltage will make it blow up quickly
[13:32] <shiftplusone> you're supposed to at least double the voltage anyway, so they'd get away with it
[13:33] <Hi_Pi> isn't that for tantalum caps?
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[13:34] <shiftplusone> I was always taught to double the expected theoretical specs.
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[13:59] <[Saint]> Fun fact, lots of reputable manufacturers include bits of scrap metal, or assorted nuts and bolts, or even a slurry of sand/gravel/particulate and glue in their products to make them "more well made".
[13:59] <[Saint]> People often associate weight with quality.
[13:59] <[Saint]> So adding extra weight, means adding extra quality. :)
[14:00] <[Saint]> I wish so hard this wasn't a thing, but, yeah...unfortunately...
[14:00] <[Saint]> absolutely useless ballast is often added just to make well made products seem more well made.
[14:02] <Hi_Pi> sure
[14:02] <Hi_Pi> it's the same with software
[14:02] <Hi_Pi> We have done performance improvements that made some features start faster
[14:02] <Hi_Pi> only to add a splash screen with delay as otherwise the product would seem too 'simple'
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[14:11] <Mike08e7> Ok this may be a dumb question, so be nice. Is VNC only for pi's running a GUI, or can it also be used on a headless system?/
[14:12] <Hi_Pi> It can be used for a headless system
[14:12] <Mike08e7> Cool. Thank you.
[14:12] <Hi_Pi> you need an x-server, but that doesn't need to display on the screen
[14:12] <Hi_Pi> google Xvnc
[14:12] <shiftplusone> aye, decide whether you want vncserver or xvnc
[14:12] <Mike08e7> will do
[14:12] <shiftplusone> I suspect vncserver will be lighter on the resources, but not sure.
[14:13] <Mike08e7> What's the difference between the 2?
[14:13] <Hi_Pi> shiftplusone: doesnt vncserver start Xvnc?
[14:13] <Hi_Pi> it's just a wrapper, no? like tightvnc does.
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[14:13] <Hi_Pi> from the manpage: vncserver is used to start a VNC (Virtual Network Computing) desktop. vncserver is a Perl script which simplifies the process of starting an Xvnc server. It runs Xvnc with appropriate options and starts some X applications to be displayed in the VNC desktop.
[14:13] <shiftplusone> you're right, I'm derping a little... let me get my info straight first
[14:14] <shiftplusone> I'm thinking of x11vnc vs vncserver
[14:14] <Mike08e7> so don't use "tightvnc"?
[14:15] <Hi_Pi> Their almost all the same, just the options differ so take what you are used to
[14:15] <shiftplusone> I used tigervnc when running headless
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[14:15] <Hi_Pi> you can also forward X commands via ssh
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[14:17] <shiftplusone> aye, x forwarding is often the best way to go, but it depends on your needs.
[14:17] <shiftplusone> When connected though LAN, it's like running things locally.
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[15:36] <Aias> hi. i configured my pi to assign eth0 a static IP addr on startup, but it still receives an IP from the DHCP server. i used systemctl disable dhcpcd, thinking that would do the trick
[15:37] <Aias> that should have done the trick, right? (to disable getting IP from DHCP server on startup)
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[15:37] <Aias> hmm, perhaps it's something to do with netctl
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[15:40] <Aias> X forwarding is S...l...
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[15:49] <Aias> i got rid of dhcpcd with systemctl disable netctl-ifplugd@eth0.service
[15:49] <Aias> !netctl
[15:50] <Aias> phrick says avoid it
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[16:16] <Mike08e7> all these vnc start up scripts have USER=ROOT ... wouldn't it be smarter to run as a mere user?
[16:17] <Mike08e7> for example root is typically a disabled login when setting up ssh
[16:17] <Mike08e7> ... though pi had that enabled by default too .
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[16:48] <eradicus> any recommendation on how to turn your dumb tv to a smart tv via rpi?
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[16:50] <andrewvos> Anyone notice that preallocation on transmission-daemon causes the web interface to freeze up?
[16:50] <andrewvos> Wondering why preallocation is so slow
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[16:52] <l_r> use the --force, andrewvos
[16:53] <andrewvos> l_r: ?
[16:53] <l_r> andrewvos, never mind, sorry, i was kidding
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[16:54] <andrewvos> heh ok
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[17:01] <eradicus> anyone here working on this project? http://androidpi.wikia.com/wiki/Android_Pi_Wiki
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[17:05] <Mike08e7> If you add something to the start up with sudo update-rc.d tightvncserver defaults how do you remove it?
[17:05] <tig|> personally if you are after a small cheap android box there are plenty of hdmi android sticks out there which will probably a lot less hassle. I am not sure what you gain over them with a pi, it is a cool experiment and learning exercise but without broadcom releasing a load more information I can't see it being a useful port for end users
[17:08] <eradicus> tig|, for learning, thanks
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[17:08] <tig|> for learning then go for it :)
[17:08] <SpeedEvil> Unless you're trying to specifically learn about android on the pi, there may be better platforms
[17:08] <Hagbard-Celine> they still wont run interface and playback at 1080p
[17:08] <Hagbard-Celine> its frustrating
[17:08] <Hagbard-Celine> a suitable candidate must emerge soon though.
[17:08] <SpeedEvil> https://www.olimex.com/Products/OLinuXino/A20/A20-OLinuXino-MICRO/open-source-hardware say
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[17:13] <Mike08e7> :o\
[17:14] <SpeedEvil> Mike08e7: If your system will not boot to the point you can alter it easily, just pop out the SD card, and stick it in a reader, and do it there
[17:15] <Mike08e7> it's booting... the vnc isn't working so I want it out of the startup
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[17:16] <SpeedEvil> Well, edit it
[17:16] <Mike08e7> that was the question
[17:16] <SpeedEvil> And answered
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[17:17] <Mike08e7> no it wasn't ...
[17:17] <SpeedEvil> Mike08e7: If your system will not boot to the point you can alter it easily, just pop out the SD card, and stick it in a reader, and do it there
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[17:17] <Mike08e7> You really that slow?
[17:18] <Mike08e7> I just said it is booting
[17:18] <Mike08e7> why are you repeating the "not booting" line?
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[17:18] <SpeedEvil> 'to the point'
[17:18] <Mike08e7> IT IS BOOTING
[17:18] <Mike08e7> so "to the point" means nothing
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[17:19] <Mike08e7> I asked HOW to edit it .. if you can't understand that simple question, no need to respond
[17:20] <hfp> Hey all, how could I hookup individual wires to the RasPi's IO ports?
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[17:21] <Mike08e7> expect a "if it can't reboot plug in the wires" answer from some idiot
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[17:23] <Mike08e7> hfp: https://www.modmypi.com/gpio-accessories/gpio-jumper-wires/jumper-wire-10-pack-female-female
[17:23] <Mike08e7> indiviual wires w/ plugs the answer u need?
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[17:23] <gordonDrogon> hfp, sure - hook away.
[17:24] <gordonDrogon> hfp, examples here: https://projects.drogon.net/raspberry-pi/gpio-examples/tux-crossing/
[17:26] <hfp> Mike08e7: That's probably fine for breadboarding but what about the final project? I'm going to gift it to my dad and there is no way he's going to even open the box to reattach the wires or solder anything back on
[17:26] <Mike08e7> ah
[17:27] <gordonDrogon> hfp there are various "plates", etc. that fit on-top of the Pi that lets you solder stuff on - so prototype, then transfer to a plate for final design.
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[17:27] <gordonDrogon> one I did a while back: https://projects.drogon.net/adafruit-protoplate-for-the-rasbperry-pi/ that's the protoplate from adafruit.
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[17:29] <Mike08e7> what files get updated when you use update-rc.d?
[17:31] <gordonDrogon> Mike08e7, it usually makes links in /etc/rc*.d to a file in /etc/init.d
[17:31] <Mike08e7> so after using just search all the /etc/rc*./ filders and manually remove entires?
[17:32] <Mike08e7> fOlders
[17:33] <Mike08e7> http://www.penguintutor.com/linux/tightvnc
[17:33] <gordonDrogon> if you want to remove it - you can always use update-rc.d to do the removal for you.
[17:33] <Mike08e7> how.
[17:33] <hfp> gordonDrogon: Thanks
[17:33] <gordonDrogon> read the fine manual page would be a start
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[17:34] <gordonDrogon> I don't know off the top of my head - I'd need to read it myself.
[17:34] <gordonDrogon> SYNOPSIS
[17:34] <gordonDrogon> update-rc.d [-n] [-f] name remove
[17:34] <gordonDrogon> looks likely.
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[17:37] <gordonDrogon> hfp, what are you planning to make?
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[17:38] <hfp> I'm planning to hookup a waterproof temp sensor (1-wire) and a RH/air temp sensor (i2c) to monitor my dad's wine cellar. I'll build a Rails app on top of that (hopefully the raspi can run it) so he has alerts, alarms via email and historical monitoring, csv export
[17:40] <gordonDrogon> neat.
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[17:44] <Mike08e7> cool
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[17:53] <Igramul> Hi, is there a way to propose to include the aufs file system in the standard kernel in Raspbian? I assume there is a strong need for it.
[17:54] <gordonDrogon> if there was a strong needs for it, then it would be there already.
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[18:20] <Igramul> gordonDrogon: OK, let me rephrase my question into a more generic one: How is the process of including Linux kernel features into Raspbian?
[18:23] <gordonDrogon> compile it yourself would be the first step..
[18:23] <gordonDrogon> but do get in-touch with the foundation and see what they think.
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[18:42] <shiftplusone> Igramul, which kernel? The foundation's kernel or the actual raspbian one?
[18:43] <Vector-> Hey guys, I'm experiencing some issues speeding up the Uart, I added init_uart_clock=16000000 to config.txt,and set the int baud divisor to 1, and the fractual divisor to 0. As per the calculations at http://infocenter.arm.com/help/index.jsp?topic=/com.arm.doc.ddi0183g/I49493.html But it's not working (I appreciate that's not really descriptive, but that's all I've got). Any ideas?
[18:43] * Vector- scratches his head
[18:43] <shiftplusone> if it's the raspbian kernel, you ask plugwash and then he says no. If it's the foundation kernel, then I can ask the foundation folk for you and let them say no instead.
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[19:01] <Igramul> shiftplusone: OK, I got it: Both communities want to keep the kernel small.
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[19:03] <shiftplusone> Igramul, or are just reluctant to add random things which are in 'staging' (or is it no longer in staging?)
[19:03] <shiftplusone> or am I thinking of something else entirely
[19:04] <Igramul> shiftplusone: I would have to check the Debian kernel. It's definitely in the Ubuntu 12.04LTS kernel already.
[19:04] <shiftplusone> Ubuntu doesn't count, they do all sorts of silly things.
[19:04] <Igramul> true
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[19:21] <Mike08e7> sudo: unable to execute /usr/sbin/sendmail: No such file or directory
[19:21] <Mike08e7> raspian doesn't have sendmail installed?
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[19:23] <shiftplusone> You'll need to install and configure something like postfix to provide it
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[19:37] <gordonDrogon> Mike08e7, Debian moved to exim some years back, but it's not installed on the Pi by default.
[19:37] <gordonDrogon> if you want sendmail,. then a simple sudo apt-get install sendmail will get it for you.
[19:37] <Igramul> Mike08e7: If you just want to forward e-mail (e.g. from cronjobs) to some mail server, try ssmtp. It provides a simple implementation of "sendmail".
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[19:40] <Igramul> Mike08e7: pro of ssmtp: It does not use any RAM and is easy to configure. con: It cannot receive or queue mail and does no local delivery.
[19:41] <Igramul> s/any RAM/RAM all the time/
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[19:49] <Mike08e7> gordonDrogon: then they shouldn't be trying to use it in the logging
[19:50] <Mike08e7> Igramul: That's the error my log files are showing now, so it doesn't seem to
[19:51] <Mike08e7> Seems like a dumb choice "We'll use sendmail to notifiy about logged events and we'll remove sendmail"
[19:52] <Mike08e7> Has MS been helping w/ r-pi dev?
[19:53] <Igramul> Mike08e7: Well, most people want to choose the MTA (i.e., the sendmail implementation) by themselves.
[19:53] <Mike08e7> That's certainly fine
[19:53] <Igramul> I definitely do not want the original "sendmail" on any of my systems.
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[19:53] <Mike08e7> My comment is on the decision to delete sendmail AND have it used to send log alerts
[19:54] <Mike08e7> if one decides not to use Sendmail I have no comment. if one chooses to do that THEN use it to send alerts.... yeah I'll call them idiots
[19:55] <Mike08e7> "I'll take the breaks off my car, then use my breaks to stop me"
[19:55] <Mike08e7> brakes *sigh*
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[19:55] <tig|> wait, is someone suggesting sendmail in a modern setting?
[19:55] <Mike08e7> tig|: No
[19:55] <tig|> Mike08e7: phew
[19:55] * Armand spams tig| via phpmailer
[19:55] <Igramul> tig|: no, Mike08e7 is confusing sendmail with /usr/bin/sendmail
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[19:56] <Mike08e7> I'm making fun of retards using it to send alerts AND deleting it from the distro
[19:56] * tig| responds to Armand with a formmail attack :P
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[19:56] <tig|> ah
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[19:56] <Igramul> ;)
[19:56] * Armand giggles as he has no mailserver to receive. :P
[19:57] <Mike08e7> Maybe it's silly, but IMHO if you're using " <blah> " to send alerts one should configure it to do so.
[19:57] <tig|> besides everyone should be using qmail
[19:57] <Igramul> Mike08e7: Well, you know, there are people out there who just ignore logs.
[19:57] * tig| ducks
[19:58] <Mike08e7> Igramul: You have a high opinion of ffolks who ignore logs?
[19:59] <Igramul> nope
[19:59] <Mike08e7> neither do i
[19:59] <Igramul> But I have a high opinion of the freedom of choice.
[19:59] <tig|> there is a log of noise in logs, the trick is to filter the noise out as best as possible and raise alerts on things that are relevant
[20:00] <Armand> tig|: "qmail" ?
[20:00] <Igramul> Armand: that is a software which requires a C-compiler for configuration
[20:00] <Armand> Huuummmm
[20:01] <Mike08e7> tig|: Agreed.... but if you go to the trouble of setting up a system to email alerts about important events..... then don't setup the system that actually SENDS those alerts... You(royal you) might be an idiot
[20:02] <tig|> Armand: you have to love it for it's brutal simplicity, it does exactly what it set out to do, sadly it means its use is kind of limited now as it was written to match the RFC spec and not what is actually used out there
[20:02] <tig|> Mike08e7: oh yes, there is no point in having a monitoring station that can't tell you there is a problem
[20:03] <Mike08e7> You said it better than I have been.
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[20:03] <gordonDrogon> Igramul, just for reference, I *do* have sendmail on all my systems. Works great.
[20:03] <Mike08e7> Agreed
[20:03] <Mike08e7> which is why Whoever setup the system this way.... is a 'tard
[20:03] <gordonDrogon> Mike08e7, I don't think you're being constructive here.
[20:03] <Igramul> gordonDrogon: I know that it can work great. It's just not my preferred choice.
[20:04] <gordonDrogon> Igramul, I've been using it for over 20 years now - sort of a habit :)
[20:04] <Igramul> gordonDrogon: So you don't need the m4 macro processor anymore? ;)
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[20:05] <Trazi> Hi
[20:05] <gordonDrogon> Mike08e7, Debian systems work just fine without an MTA. Adding one to a system designed to be used by newcomers would just make things more complex than they already are. It's easy for people who know - like you, I presume - to add it in - just apt-get install whatever MTA you're familiar with.
[20:05] <gordonDrogon> Igramul, on the contrary - M4 is crucial :)
[20:06] <Mike08e7> gordonDrogon: Which is fine... Like I said not including it is 100% fine. I have no opinion on that
[20:06] <gordonDrogon> Igramul, it's been a very long time since I hand-wrote sendmail.cf ...
[20:06] <Mike08e7> try listening
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[20:06] <gordonDrogon> try relaxing.
[20:06] <Mike08e7> gordonDrogon: My complaint is setting up the log to use something to send alerts and then not configuring it correctly.
[20:07] <Mike08e7> If you're the one That did it, I'm sorry I hurt your feeeeelings
[20:07] <gordonDrogon> it's not a big issue, and no, I'm not the individual who setup the default Raspbian packages.
[20:07] <atouk> then the proper way to express that is to explaing your preferred method instead of being insulting and argumentative
[20:07] <Armand> tig|: Sadly, we have to serve what clients expect as an "industry standard", hence Windows/Exchange servers. >_<
[20:08] <tig|> I would rather full mta stacks are not pulled in unless it is obvious that the user requires one. Even so that MTA on a disto that is aimed at educating people should not be sendmail
[20:08] <gordonDrogon> Mike08e7, note - individual - one person. pretty big job to get something like that right - especially when the switch to Debian was made at a fairly late time in the whole operation..
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[20:10] <tig|> ok this has all suddenly got a bit personal, we all have different opinions and it is like pancake recipies, everyone has their own one.
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[20:10] <gordonDrogon> do they - I thought there was just the one true pancake recipie ;-)
[20:10] <gordonDrogon> (ie. mine :)
[20:11] <tig|> gordonDrogon: there is, but I am not sharing. I might launch a kickstarter about it though :P
[20:11] <gordonDrogon> a-ha...
[20:11] <Mike08e7> All I'm saying is if you're setting up something as tig said "aimed at eucating people" it should be done right. Or you'll tick them off from the start. it's like a history book getting the winner of WWII wrong
[20:11] <tig|> there should be a term for "I promise we will make it opensource as soon as we hit our funding target"
[20:12] <gordonDrogon> Mike08e7, guess you've not been in a modern primary school in the UK then.
[20:12] <tig|> they teach sendmail in primary ict?#
[20:12] * tig| sends himself to the timeout bench for 5 mins
[20:13] <gordonDrogon> teachers want it sugar coated - plug in & just work. They don't/won't care about setting up an MTA. Switch it in, run scratch or python - job done.
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[20:13] <Mike08e7> it seems easy. If one can't (due to time or ability) setup an alert system..... don't include a broken 1/2 of one
[20:13] <gordonDrogon> who are they going to send alerts to and what are they going to do about them.
[20:13] <tig|> what "alert" are they trying to raise?
[20:13] <Mike08e7> gordonDrogon: they're trying/failing to send them to root
[20:13] <tig|> as I assumed this was an NMS or something
[20:14] <gordonDrogon> Mike08e7, it's not important.
[20:14] <gordonDrogon> not for a school Pi in a classroom.
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[20:14] <tig|> email if it is not in a structured network and domain is a rubbish way to raise an alert
[20:14] <tig|> as you need to have the proper mail handling on your network to accept it
[20:15] <Mike08e7> tig|: I'd even be fine w/ no alerts
[20:15] <Mike08e7> tig|: I'm not even saying they SHOULD be sent
[20:15] <Mike08e7> All I'm saying is don't do a half-*cough* broken one.
[20:15] <gordonDrogon> lets not forget that this is what the Pi is for. People using it outside that environment are (hopefully) a little bit more clued up about the whole thing and can make decisions what to do about logs. Me? I apt-get purge rsyslogd because I simply don't care what my Pi does.
[20:15] <gordonDrogon> Mike08e7, please feel free to fix it and submit patches to the Raspbian maintainers.
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[20:16] <Mike08e7> gordonDrogon: Do they pay by the hour or salaried?
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[20:17] <tig|> has this whole thing been about having syslog being mailed to an external e-mail address?
[20:17] <Igramul> tig|: I guess so.
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[20:18] <Mike08e7> o.O
[20:18] <gordonDrogon> Mike08e7, volunteer.
[20:19] <tig|> well the average pi is not going to be internet facing, it is also not going to be talking to mail servers, in the same way my phone or laptop doesn't mail it's logs.
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[20:19] * Mike08e7 sighs
[20:19] <tig|> if you are using the pi as an mta then you should be following usual best practice, you don't need an mta to send e-mail though
[20:19] <gordonDrogon> Mike08e7, Just to be clear - Raspbian is a volunteer led system. The foundation do employ a small number of people, but as far as I'm aware, none of them work on Raspbian.
[20:19] <Mike08e7> I didn't know root was 'external'
[20:20] <gordonDrogon> 99.999% of Pi users reall do not care about email being send to root. really, they don't.
[20:21] <Mike08e7> gordonDrogon: I've already answered that. You're addressing something that's not part of this.
[20:21] <tig|> Mike08e7: what about SD card wear
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[20:22] <tig|> Mike08e7: tbh I don't want loads of non-inportant data being written to the SD
[20:22] <atouk> them move root to a usb drive or usbhd
[20:22] <Mike08e7> tig|: 's being written 2x in the logs.. due to this ... is that limiting writes or increasing them?
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[20:22] <tig|> if I was that fussed about my logs I would be actively monitoring them or have a remote syslog
[20:23] * shiftplusone reads the scrollback and tried to figure out what the big deal is... unsuccessfully.
[20:23] <shiftplusone> *tries
[20:23] <Mike08e7> i was..... which is how I caught this
[20:23] <atouk> shiftplusone: the usual "i'm smarter than the pi is so listen to me" pissing contest
[20:23] <tig|> Mike08e7: are there spurious log entries caused by the lack of e-mail being delivered to root?
[20:24] <Mike08e7> tig|: that as the first thing I said.
[20:24] <tig|> if so they should be supressed
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[20:24] <Mike08e7> tig|: before you said something about root being external
[20:25] <tig|> I don't think the solution is then to deliver them to root but to just log them
[20:26] <Mike08e7> And I said that about 10 min ago too
[20:26] <tig|> Mike08e7: apologies
[20:26] <tig|> so right we just need a bug raised to correct the syslog conf
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[20:35] <geordie> you guys are in the wrong channel - /join #raspbian ; /join #debian
[20:35] <geordie> :)
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[21:01] <gordonDrogon> geordie, nah, I'm in the right one - it's more fun here.
[21:04] * gordonDrogon ponders solder some stuff.
[21:04] <gordonDrogon> need to clear workbench, things got somewhat cluttered and pused to one side recently. too much Pi stuff.
[21:05] <shiftplusone> There's no such thing as too much pi stuff
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[21:07] <atouk> never too much pie. ask dean
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[21:11] <gordonDrogon> who ate all the Pi's ?
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[21:54] <tanuva> Is it good Python style to first have normal order-based function arguments and then (optional) some named ones?
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[21:58] <gordonDrogon> clearing the desk - I'm expecting some stuff tomorrow that I'll have to solder.
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[21:58] <gordonDrogon> need another desk )-:
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[22:02] <Valeness> Can anyone link to a good plug n play touchscreen monitor for Model B? Please and thank you :)
[22:04] <gordonDrogon> not sure there is one.. The adafruit one needs a different kernel - might be the closest you get right now?
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[22:05] <geordie> gordonDrogon: you are *not* allowed to leave this channel :)
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[22:05] <Valeness> Damn, is there any screen that works out of the box with it?
[22:05] <Valeness> Doesn't need to be touch
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[22:06] <Valeness> This is what I am thinking on buying
[22:06] <Valeness> http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B00G1PNG54/ref=ox_sc_act_title_2?ie=UTF8&psc=1&smid=A30ZYR2W3VAJ0A
[22:06] <gordonDrogon> the foundation are working on a panel driver board - I've seen a demo, but it's not quite ready for release yet.
[22:06] <gordonDrogon> Valeness, that's a fairly comprehensive kit.
[22:07] <gordonDrogon> do you have a monitor/tv with hdmi input?
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[22:07] <Valeness> I do, but I don't want to have to sit in front of my huge TV with my tiny little Pi
[22:07] <Valeness> I want it to be portable and act as a system to SSH into my server with.
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[22:07] <gordonDrogon> right.
[22:08] <Valeness> I can sacrifice the touchscreen and just get a small 'roll out' membrane keyboard and be fine.
[22:08] <gordonDrogon> see if there are an 16" cheap portable TVs with hdmi? I got one some time back - 720p and it works just fine.
[22:08] <Valeness> Alright, thank you
[22:08] <gordonDrogon> although it sounds like you just need an 8" tablet with juicessh on it..
[22:08] <gordonDrogon> (which I also use)
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[22:09] <gordonDrogon> basically any HDMI acreen should just work.
[22:09] <Valeness> Haha, yeah, but I want a Pi because, well, why not? xD
[22:09] <gordonDrogon> or any screen that takes composite video - people have used the small car reversing monitors with that, but I think they're a little too small!
[22:10] <gordonDrogon> geordie, afraid I have to leave for a bit - I have some bread to make - or at least dough to knead.... gets cooked in the morning.
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[22:11] <Valeness> What about this screen?
[22:11] <Valeness> http://www.amazon.com/Tontec-Raspberry-Display-AT070TN90-Controller/dp/B00G60FJNG/ref=sr_1_2?s=pc&ie=UTF8&qid=1404677409&sr=1-2&keywords=HDMI+Screen
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[22:11] <Valeness> Doesn't have a power supply, but it should work if run off the HDMI connection right?
[22:13] <geordie> gordonDrogon: my physiotherapist uses a bread maker for the kneading but removes the dough and bakes it in an oven
[22:14] <geordie> ...now to automate and control that process with a rpi....
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[22:16] <Valeness> danielmahon: I don't know much about Pi, but perhaps you could interface with an Arduino component?
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[22:18] <danielmahon> Valeness: arduino can work also but im more worried about the transmitter, I only want to "plug it in" a low voltage device, for example, to replace a buzzer with a wireless transmitter so instead of making a sound, it would transmit the "alarm" to the reciever
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[22:26] <bnmorgan> clock won't stay set....and need near crayon level instructions.
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[22:34] <SpeedEvil> bnmorgan: there is no hardware clock in the Pi
[22:34] <geordie> bnmorgan: do you mean the time is wrong after a reboot, or does it become wrong while the pi is up and running?
[22:35] <SpeedEvil> ^real-time clock while it's off
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[22:39] <gordonDrogon> geordie, thats ok - takes the hard work out of kneading. I've just kneaded 2 lots of 1.5Kg of dough - great fun!
[22:40] <gordonDrogon> Valeness, looks like that screen might be ok. it has hdmi input at any rate..
[22:41] <Valeness> Yeah, I'm just worried about needing a power supply
[22:42] <gordonDrogon> Valeness, yes - looks like it needs a 12v PSU to go with it.
[22:42] <Valeness> I want something that runs off 5v
[22:43] <gordonDrogon> geordie, I have a plan to use a Pi to monitor temp & humidity in my (yet to be built) dough proving cupboard. Control a heater and a fan to control temp. and humidity.
[22:43] <gordonDrogon> Valeness, search for a motorola Lapdock. They can be adapted to run with a Pi. I use one.
[22:43] <geordie> interesting
[22:44] <Valeness> Too expensive for my taste :)
[22:44] <gordonDrogon> yea - my setup cost me the best part of �100 plus the Pi.
[22:44] <gordonDrogon> however, a portable Pi with battery powered 720p screen, keyboard, mousepad and 2 usb sockets...
[22:45] <Valeness> Well, i found a cool microkeyboard
[22:45] <Valeness> http://www.amazon.com/FAVI-FE01-BL-Wireless-Keyboard-Touchpad/dp/B003UE52ME/ref=lh_ni_t?ie=UTF8&psc=1&smid=A1MCTIUSG3VF27
[22:45] <Valeness> Review said it worked with Pi running XMBC
[22:45] <gordonDrogon> I've seen things very similar to those on a Pi. not for the fat fingered!
[22:46] <gordonDrogon> whatever happened to those laser keyboards - the ones that drew the keyboard on the desk...
[22:46] <Valeness> Hehe, true.
[22:46] <Valeness> Woah, that would be intense
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[22:47] <gordonDrogon> http://www.amazon.co.uk/Celluon-CellMC1-Magic-Projection-Keyboard-Black/dp/B0056KW50C
[22:47] <gordonDrogon> pricey.
[22:50] <bnmorgan> geordie i mean it is very wrong after reboot
[22:50] <bnmorgan> sorry, blew a breaker, had to wait for reboot
[22:50] <gordonDrogon> bnmorgan, is your Pi connected to the internet?
[22:50] <bnmorgan> it is
[22:51] <gordonDrogon> then it should auto-update the time at boot-time.
[22:51] <gordonDrogon> are you running Raspbian.
[22:51] <bnmorgan> arch
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[22:51] <bnmorgan> i think..
[22:51] <bnmorgan> yes
[22:51] <bnmorgan> arch
[22:51] <gordonDrogon> ah well - install Raspbian and it'll be fine, else you'll need to google to work out how to install ntpd on arch.
[22:52] <gordonDrogon> (or if your lucky someone here night know)
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[22:52] <geordie> bnmorgan: it shouldn't be too hard to set up ntp
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[22:54] <bnmorgan> geordie that's what i thought..........
[22:54] <bnmorgan> but i can't manage...and don'tknow linux well enough
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[22:55] <geordie> bnmorgan: check out https://bbs.archlinux.org/viewtopic.php?id=172101
[22:55] <RetardedBuffalo> I'm planning on making the magic mirror, but i'd like to add a proximity sensor, so that the display is gradually shown as one gets closer to the mirror. Does anyone know any good proximity servers, that are could be placed behind the glass?
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[22:59] <bnmorgan> geordie well, that could be the probelm...i don't have /network in netctl
[23:00] <bnmorgan> :: ntp and openntpd are in conflict. Remove openntpd? [y/N] y
[23:00] <bnmorgan> hmmm
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[23:01] <bnmorgan> and an error failed retrieving file when i pacman -S ntp
[23:03] <gordonDrogon> bnmorgan, you could switch to Raspbian - like the 99.9999% of the rest of us ;-)
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[23:05] <bnmorgan> for some reason everyone using it to manage asics run arch
[23:06] <bnmorgan> although, i am beginning to think it may be easier
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[23:11] <gordonDrogon> I guess it depends on hiw much support you need (or think you might need).
[23:11] <gordonDrogon> it's easy for me to say use Raspbian - mostly because I've been using Debian for the past 18+ years.
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[23:25] <1JTAARX0Q> i have an LCD Keypad shield with a 16x2 LCD, can the 16x2 be be replaced with a 20x4?
[23:27] <gordonDrogon> 1JTAARX0Q, they use the same protocol for the most part.
[23:27] <gordonDrogon> which shield is it?
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[23:29] <1JTAARX0Q> this one
[23:29] <1JTAARX0Q> http://www.amazon.co.uk/dp/B00C4PG652/ref=pe_385721_37986871_TE_item
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[23:31] <gordonDrogon> doesn'ty say how it actually connects - do you have it going on a Pi as it is?
[23:33] <1JTAARX0Q> yes, its connected to this http://www.amazon.co.uk/dp/B00CG6KQO6/ref=pe_385721_37986871_TE_item
[23:33] <gordonDrogon> right. it's an Arduino shield.
[23:33] <gordonDrogon> this is #raspberrypi
[23:34] <gordonDrogon> however if your unsoldering/resoldering skills are up to it, then you might be able to replace it with a 20x4 display.
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[23:34] <1JTAARX0Q> yeah there is a lot of people playing with hardware on here, plus the banter here is better
[23:35] <gordonDrogon> https://projects.drogon.net/raspberry-pi/wiringpi/lcd-library/
[23:35] <gordonDrogon> I've used them directly on a Pi.
[23:36] <gordonDrogon> you could use that arduino there as a smart display controller from the Pi -power it from a Pi via USB and you have the serial interface too.
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[23:40] <1JTAARX0Q> cheers ill have a read, its for an RadioPi, already got a RadioPi working with the adafruit i2c pi plate
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[23:42] <gordonDrogon> ok.
[23:43] <gordonDrogon> putting a 20x4 on the adafruit plate is do-able too - the main issue I see is that it would cover the buttons.
[23:43] <1JTAARX0Q> im going to swap them out for rotary switches
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[23:49] <gordonDrogon> ok
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[23:51] <1JTAARX0Q> using the adafruit plate will save me some space as well
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[23:59] <Helldesk> looks like it's not possible to update or updgrade an ancient wheezy installation

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