#raspberrypi IRC Log

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IRC Log for 2014-07-10

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[0:00] <Encrypt> https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/geekroo/como-booster-launch-your-raspberry-pi-compute-modu?ref=discovery
[0:00] <Encrypt> :)
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[0:02] <gordonDrogon> Encrypt, not sure what it really adds - it would be expensive..
[0:02] <Encrypt> Yes, you're right
[0:02] <gordonDrogon> they've obviously worked vey fast to get it out though.
[0:02] <gordonDrogon> unless they have some prior knowledge...
[0:03] <Encrypt> gordonDrogon, Yes, definitely very fast :D
[0:03] <Encrypt> I was quite astonished :P
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[0:59] <fbite> do you know how to configure keyboard controls for retropie ? once I start an emulator I lose all controls. but my controls work fine in emulation station menus. are there separate config files for each emulator ? if so, where are they ?
[0:59] <l_r> fbite, what s retropie
[1:01] * sla_erick (c8228d11@gateway/web/freenode/ip.200.34.141.17) Quit (Ping timeout: 246 seconds)
[1:02] <fbite> its a custom raspbian image that boots directly into a GUI called Emulation Station, which runs different emulators
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[1:06] <l_r> fbite, for gaming?
[1:09] <[Saint]> retro gaming.
[1:09] <[Saint]> I'd feel uncomfortable saying just "gaming".
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[1:09] <[Saint]> Too wide an opening. :)
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[1:33] * [Saint] decides to build a ramjet
[1:33] <[Saint]> Its tempting to try to go for a scramjet instead, but...KISS, etc.
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[1:34] <[Saint]> I've already built a (VERY dangerous) pulsejet before, so, I think I can do it.
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[1:38] <[Saint]> (dangerous because the intake and outlet (which, during the course of operation, rapidly switch function) aren't properly tuned to length and it shoots out the occasional massive fileball from gas that failed to detonate)
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[1:39] <ShorTie> sounds nifty
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[1:42] <[Saint]> pulsejets are *easy* to build. its a very basic principle.
[1:42] <[Saint]> {sc}ramjets are a bit more complicated, but still trivial.
[1:43] <[Saint]> The best example of a simple valved pulsejet is a jam jar with a hole punched in the lid.
[1:43] <[Saint]> I suspect most of us did this in high school:
[1:43] <[Saint]> http://www.youtube.com/v/=h1DlWxWWbOM
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[1:48] <[Saint]> Where a raspberry pi comes into it, is that I want to use one to control the injection timing.
[1:48] <[Saint]> But I don't think its going to be fast enough.
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[1:49] <[Saint]> A pulse jet really only has one speed, so you need to control the thrust by limiting the fuel/oxygen mix, and injection rate.
[1:50] <[Saint]> I'm hoping a pi can be the smarts for me in this regard.
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[1:50] <[Saint]> I want a nice, controlled idle.
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[1:53] <fwaokda> i used the command "df -h" to see how much space im using of my 8GB. It has 2 entries using up the bulk of the space "rootfs" and "/dev/root" are these the same? they both say 3.0G Used 114M Available
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[1:55] <[Saint]> fwaokda: yeah - its a weird debianism.
[1:55] <[Saint]> disregard. its the same thing.
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[1:56] <[Saint]> fwaokda: https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=697487
[1:57] <[Saint]> or http://unix.stackexchange.com/questions/43553/why-rootfs-is-mounted-multiple-times
[1:57] <[Saint]> tl;dr: debian initramfs is a bit weird
[1:58] <fwaokda> Saint, hmm well I received a message when installing ruby saying that i was running out of space. yet its a 8GB sd card... am i using the wrong command? or do is everything working correctly the other ~4GB are just created as the system needs space?
[1:58] <[Saint]> Did you ever expand the rootfs image?
[1:59] <[Saint]> If you didn't, you'll only ever be able to access 4GB of your 8GB card.
[1:59] <fwaokda> Saint, i thought I had, but now I'm thinking I must have not
[1:59] <fwaokda> Saint so I'd have to reformat and start over to access it?
[1:59] <[Saint]> No.
[2:00] <[Saint]> "sudo raspi-config"
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[2:00] <[Saint]> You'll see an option presented there to expand the rootfs partition.
[2:01] <[Saint]> Alternatively, you can do it with gparted.
[2:01] <ShorTie> try pydf, a little less confusing
[2:01] <[Saint]> (but if you're not familiar with gparted, I'd stick away from it, because it allows you to potentially make a massive mess of your system)
[2:02] <fwaokda> [Saint], k just tried that and got the message, "Your partition layout is not currently supported by this tool. You are probably using NOOBS, in which case your root filesystem is already expanded anyway" ... gonna check and make sure its 8GB ;P
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[2:02] <[Saint]> Ahhhh...NOOBS. Yay. :-/
[2:02] * cotton_gin is now known as cottongin
[2:02] * [Saint] has no idea why the foundation keeps pushing that junk.
[2:02] <fwaokda> [Saint], haha it came with the 'Kit' off amazon ;P
[2:02] <ShorTie> i hear that
[2:03] <ShorTie> they are doing no favors putting it on, should stick with straight raspbian
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[2:04] <[Saint]> It has some very intriguing features.
[2:04] <[Saint]> I'm just not certain the added non-obviousness is worth it.
[2:04] <fwaokda> hmm is 8gb
[2:04] <fwaokda> so gotta find my other 4gb i guess
[2:04] <[Saint]> And...simple things, like the raspi's own config utility failing out of the box.
[2:04] <[Saint]> Good work there. ;)
[2:04] <Tachyon`> how did that happen?
[2:06] <[Saint]> With NOOBS, I can't really make any informed statements about what's going on, as I avoid it like the plague.
[2:06] <[Saint]> Sadly, it's also going to make recovering the system if you want to move away from NOOBS more difficult.
[2:06] <Tachyon`> it has multiple boot partitions for a start
[2:07] <Tachyon`> one for each os
[2:07] <Tachyon`> although once you actually find them they're as you'd expect
[2:08] <[Saint]> Man, raspi-config failing out of the box really is kinda hilarious.
[2:09] <[Saint]> "Here, use this, its super easy and fun!"; except, you'll have to configure basic things manually...negating a lot of the ease of use.
[2:09] <[Saint]> I guess its useful for deciding what distro you want.
[2:10] <[Saint]> Once you've made that decision, however, I'd get rid of it.
[2:10] * [Saint] notes that his opinions are his own and do not reflect the opinions of anyone else
[2:11] <ShorTie> the best way to test different os's is with different sdcards
[2:13] <[Saint]> [subjective]
[2:13] <[Saint]> But, I agree.
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[2:18] <SirLagz> [Saint]: morning
[2:18] <[Saint]> Close enough. ;)
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[2:18] <SirLagz> lol
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[2:25] <[Saint]> Hmmm.
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[2:26] <[Saint]> Did I mention I had to be the one to take four staff members aside and tell them to knock off satisfying their kinks on work time?
[2:26] <nownot> running retroPie and on mame every time I exit the keyboard controls are getting reset, ideas on how to make the change perminant?
[2:26] <[Saint]> That was, amusing.
[2:26] <[Saint]> For me at least.
[2:31] <SirLagz> ...
[2:31] <SirLagz> why would they satisfy kinks on work time...and were they satisfying each others kinks ?
[2:32] <[Saint]> I can answer neither of those questions. Thankfully. :)
[2:32] <nownot> anyone here run retropie?
[2:33] <[Saint]> I know at least one of them went scampering off to read their contract because he was under the impression he had been violated in some way.
[2:33] * dreamon (~dreamon@unaffiliated/dreamon) Quit (Ping timeout: 240 seconds)
[2:33] <[Saint]> But there's a very clear "$employer reserves the right to check up on anything and everything you do, using any means" statement in the default contract.
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[2:34] <[Saint]> They block ssh on the network the plebs can access via packet inspection. So tunneling out is out of the question.
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[2:35] <[Saint]> They didn't realize all traffic was being logged, though.
[2:35] <[Saint]> Now I think we'll finally start doing some decent filtering.
[2:36] <[Saint]> (which I've been crying about for years - TBH, I think Cpt. Bigboss just wanted to snoop on $employee traffic)
[2:45] <SirLagz> [Saint]: haha
[2:45] <SirLagz> [Saint]: doesn't take much brains to know that all traffic would be logged...
[2:45] <SirLagz> [Saint]: that's like a standard in the workplace
[2:46] <[Saint]> They assumed it wasn't the case because there was no filtering in place.
[2:46] <SirLagz> haha
[2:46] <SirLagz> I always assume everything I do is logged unless I'm tunneling out
[2:46] <SirLagz> so I have one browser to do everything work and some non-related work stuff
[2:46] <[Saint]> By the time I got to the third guy, and asked him to come in and sit down, as soon as he got in the door he looked pale as a sheet and said "...t..this is about the Internet isn't it?"
[2:46] <SirLagz> another browser for casual web browsing
[2:47] <SirLagz> bahahaaha
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[2:48] <SirLagz> [Saint]: I had the wrong idea when you first said satisying their kinks on work time. I thought you meant doing things to themselves at work haha...though I guess this doesn't discount the possibility that they were doing things to themselves
[2:48] * SirLagz shudders at the thought
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[2:51] <[Saint]> nownot: once you've created your keybinds, append them to ~/.retroarch.cfg, I would guess.
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[2:59] <SirLagz> grr. why do people keep disabling monitoring on servers and not turn monitoring back on
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[3:19] <[Saint]> alias gregorydoesntknowhowtousegoogle="comm -23 <(apt-mark showmanual | sort -u) <(gzip -dc /var/log/installer/initial-status.gz | sed -n 's/^Package: //p' | sort -u) && echo ...was that so difficult, Greg?"
[3:20] <[Saint]> whoops. hah.
[3:20] <[Saint]> #passiveagressiveoffice
[3:20] <SirLagz> [Saint]: haha
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[4:18] <LarrySteeze> hello folks
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[5:11] <taza> My Raspberry Pi has been revived
[5:11] <taza> So, what's the best way to install Raspbian minimally these days?=
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[5:35] <dominickpastore> I hope a fresh mind might have some ideas because I'm scratching my head on this one. I'm trying to set up wireless from command line. Should be simple, no security key, but it just won't connect. It's a fresh install of raspbian and I know the hardware works because I've connected to other networks before. /etc/network/interfaces is posted to http://pastie.org/9373180
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[7:36] <DSdavidDS> Is there anyway on my computer to check if my raspberrypi is wirelessly online using my main computer?
[7:37] <DSdavidDS> I am currently using ping <ip.x.x.x> to check if the pi is up after I reboot, but is there another way?
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[7:44] <SirLagz> DSdavidDS: see if the router has given the Pi an IP via the router config page ?
[7:45] <DSdavidDS> SirLagz: Thanks. I've been doing that as well
[7:45] <SirLagz> DSdavidDS: or get the Pi to email you everytime it comes on :D
[7:45] <DSdavidDS> But it is a bit of a hassle to do that, so I was wondering if there was a way to make some indicator webapp/program
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[7:45] <SirLagz> DSdavidDS: a hassle to get the Pi to email yo u?
[7:45] <DSdavidDS> email seems like a good idea, but I generally find email to have a lagtime
[7:46] <SirLagz> ah
[7:46] <DSdavidDS> hmm...maybe I can set up something with IFTTT
[7:46] <SirLagz> DSdavidDS: or you could get a GSm modem and get it to SMS you :P
[7:46] <DSdavidDS> Sadly, I do not have one of those
[7:47] <SirLagz> DSdavidDS: spare Android Mobile Phone ?
[7:48] <DSdavidDS> SirLagz: just my current phone
[7:48] <SirLagz> DSdavidDS: I'd use email then
[7:48] <DSdavidDS> alright. Any suggestions as to getting that set up?
[7:49] <SirLagz> DSdavidDS: do you want it to email you on boot up ?
[7:49] <DSdavidDS> sure
[7:50] <SirLagz> DSdavidDS: do you know how to setup postfix ? and do you know if your ISP blocks port 25 ?
[7:50] <x29a> DSdavidDS: have the pi wget to your webpage and look at the logs. via cron
[7:50] <DSdavidDS> no and no
[7:51] <DSdavidDS> x29a: I have to study a lot of php for that, but that sounds like a good idea
[7:51] <x29a> DSdavidDS: no you dont
[7:51] <SirLagz> DSdavidDS: do you already have a web page running ?
[7:51] <DSdavidDS> SirLagz: a webpage? no
[7:52] <SirLagz> DSdavidDS: which distro are you running ?
[7:52] <DSdavidDS> rasbian
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[7:53] <SirLagz> DSdavidDS: ok. Try this and see if it does anything - run this command without the "" and replacing the email address with your own - "echo test | mail -s Test email@email.com"
[7:53] <x29a> DSdavidDS: https://gist.github.com/anonymous/07133266202d790b1261
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[7:57] <DSdavidDS> I am also having some issues with SSH. I can't seem to connect back to SSH after disconnecting the first time
[7:57] <DSdavidDS> or ping
[7:57] <DSdavidDS> probably something to do with how I set up internet? D:
[8:02] <DSdavidDS> btw mail command not found
[8:02] <DSdavidDS> SirLagz:
[8:02] <SirLagz> DSdavidDS: ok so you probably don't have a mail daemon installed then
[8:03] <DSdavidDS> installing...
[8:03] <DSdavidDS> installing...
[8:03] <DSdavidDS> "unable to locate package mail"
[8:04] <DSdavidDS> oh, mailutils. got it
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[8:06] <SirLagz> DSdavidDS: you'll also want to install postfix
[8:07] <SirLagz> DSdavidDS: also, you've just introduced me to IFTTT, looks interesting. thanks ! :D
[8:07] <DSdavidDS> SirLagz: no probs. I found it on Lifehacker
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[8:08] <DSdavidDS> so I ran that mail command, am I supposed to get an email?
[8:08] <SirLagz> DSdavidDS: assuming everything goes ok, yes
[8:08] <DSdavidDS> SirLagz: not getting anything. (Lag?)
[8:08] <SirLagz> DSdavidDS: if you get an email, then it's a simple cronjob to get it to email you out on boot
[8:09] <SirLagz> DSdavidDS: could take a little while, or it could be because your ISP is blocking port 25.
[8:09] <DSdavidDS> let me check
[8:09] <SirLagz> DSdavidDS: run "mail" and see if there's any errors
[8:09] <DSdavidDS> mail delivery failed
[8:10] <SirLagz> DSdavidDS: did it say why ?
[8:11] <DSdavidDS> it says "1 Mail Delivery Syst Thu Jul 10 14:07 37/1273 Mail delivery failed: ret?
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[8:12] <SirLagz> DSdavidDS: did it include a reason ?
[8:12] <DSdavidDS> nope
[8:12] <SirLagz> DSdavidDS: hmm ok
[8:13] <SirLagz> DSdavidDS: did postfix ask you to do any configuration when you installed it ?
[8:13] <DSdavidDS> but I did a google search and it looks like att blocks 25
[8:13] <DSdavidDS> uhh, didn't get postfix yet
[8:13] <SirLagz> ha
[8:13] <SirLagz> ah*
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[8:14] <DSdavidDS> SirLagz: what exactly is it?
[8:14] <SirLagz> DSdavidDS: do you know if ATT will let you use their own mail server as a relay ?
[8:14] <DSdavidDS> SirLagz: some sort of mail server?
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[8:14] <SirLagz> DSdavidDS: pretty much
[8:15] <DSdavidDS> SirLagz: just googled it. Seems like i can
[8:15] <DSdavidDS> x29a: Thanks for that link earlier. (Except I have no idea what to do with it)
[8:15] <SirLagz> DSdavidDS: then you'll need to setup postfix to use your ISP mail server as a relay to send email out
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[8:16] <SirLagz> DSdavidDS: the link that x29a posted assumes you have a web server running already that can run PHP. The script would then get a webpage from your server
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[8:17] <DSdavidDS> SirLagz: oicic. I think I should study this some other time, after I get down the UNIX basics
[8:17] <SirLagz> DSdavidDS: that's a good idea. fun things :)
[8:17] <DSdavidDS> Thanks for the help though.
[8:17] <SirLagz> DSdavidDS: no problems
[8:19] <DSdavidDS> I am currently trying to learn Unix through this RasPi and I followed a tutorial to get SSH and TightVNC working
[8:19] <DSdavidDS> so I can use it remotely from my computer
[8:19] <DSdavidDS> since I only have one monitor to work with
[8:19] <SirLagz> DSdavidDS: I used a PCI video capture card so I could use the Pi without VNC heh
[8:20] <DSdavidDS> SirLagz: how does that work? You plug it in there and run a program to view it on your computer?
[8:21] <SirLagz> DSdavidDS: yep
[8:21] <SirLagz> absolutely horrid resolution though
[8:21] <DSdavidDS> but does that allow you to put in inputs as well?
[8:21] <SirLagz> but it saves me having to have an extra display and also means I don't need network on the Pi to use it
[8:22] <SirLagz> DSdavidDS: what do you mean ? Inputs into the PCI video capture card ?
[8:22] <DSdavidDS> oh....I see waht you mean now
[8:23] <DSdavidDS> SirLagz: but Imy purpose was to keep it wireless so I can have the PI in my room while I am working on my living room
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[8:23] <SirLagz> DSdavidDS: ah. Different uses :)
[8:24] <DSdavidDS> anyway, I mentioned SSH and VNC because I seem to be having problems connecting
[8:24] <SirLagz> still need a keyboard/mouse plugged into the Pi though
[8:24] <SirLagz> DSdavidDS: do you have a display connected to the Pi now ?
[8:25] <DSdavidDS> nope. I am connected wirelessly and remotely
[8:25] <DSdavidDS> SirLagz: when I first set it up, I used my external monitor, but I have it controlled remotely
[8:26] <DSdavidDS> SirLagz: it is to ensure that my desk is not cluttered with extra wires, mouses, keyboards, and video adapter/adapters
[8:27] <SirLagz> DSdavidDS: makes sense
[8:27] <SirLagz> DSdavidDS: makes it hard to troubleshoot wireless connectivity issues though
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[8:28] <DSdavidDS> SirLagz: yep. one of my main issues right now
[8:28] <DSdavidDS> I use KiTTY to SSHto my PI right now, but I cant connect
[8:29] <DSdavidDS> but if I maintain a connection, everything is fine and it stays connected
[8:32] <swiss> so i am thinking of adding a bezel to a screen with a set of nice buttons
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[8:33] <swiss> where would i get a 9" diagonal (inner diameter) 16:9 bezel with buttons :/
[8:33] <swiss> or even a set of flat square buttons
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[8:39] <swiss> so i am thinking of adding a bezel to a screen with a set of nice buttons
[8:39] <swiss> where would i get a 9" diagonal (inner diameter) 16:9 bezel with buttons :/
[8:39] <swiss> or even a set of flat square buttons
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[8:48] <gordonDrogon> morning.
[8:49] <leio> LaraCraft304: ping
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[8:52] <LaraCraft304> Hi leio
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[8:55] <leio> LaraCraft304: hey; in an effort to get some activity on #rpi-gentoo, you were there, but left before I could notice and reply that some people ARE around :P
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[9:00] <LaraCraft304> leio, no problem
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[9:52] <Kriminel> gordonDrogon if you're around can you please take a look at http://paste.debian.net/108995/ and tell me if i'm doing something wrong?
[9:53] <swiss> i'm debating on switching to an odroid for speed
[9:53] <Kriminel> trying to make this work: http://www.pichips.co.uk/index.php/P011_ADC with WiringPi
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[9:55] <swiss> i like the support of an rpi, but I don't think it's going to have the speed i want for an in car navigation, peformance mangement, and media system
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[9:58] <[Saint]> Sell your soul to Microsoft for an Intel Galileo:
[9:58] <[Saint]> https://www.windowsondevices.com/
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[10:00] <nid0> plenty of other options if you want a bit more horsepower than the pi offers
[10:01] <ppq> swiss, then you should buy a small x86 board, e.g. one with a Celeron J1800 (~45€) or one of those new AMD AM1 boards with a sempron 2650 (25€+25€). a little ram and you are good to go
[10:01] <swiss> i meant more for support for GPIO stuffs
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[10:01] <swiss> [Saint]: i signed up for that yesterday
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[10:02] <swiss> we'll see where it goes
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[10:02] <[Saint]> I just wanna get it and run debian on it.
[10:02] <[Saint]> MS be damned.
[10:02] <[Saint]> but, if they want to give me a free dev board...great.
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[10:31] <whiskers75> lol
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[10:40] <gordonDrogon> Kriminel, morning.
[10:40] <gordonDrogon> Kriminel, yea, doing lots wrong )-: Hang on ...
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[10:42] <gordonDrogon> Kriminel, wiringPiI2CSetup () returns a number - you need to use use this number in subsequent calls to wiringPiI2CRead()
[10:43] <Kriminel> ah
[10:44] <Kriminel> ok now the output is zero
[10:45] <gordonDrogon> Kriminel, it's not a typical register/data chip either.
[10:45] <gordonDrogon> I'm guessing its a microcontroller programmed to pretend to be one though.
[10:46] <gordonDrogon> you'll have to do something like: fd = wiringPiI2CSetup (0x34) ;
[10:47] <gordonDrogon> then set a 2-byte buffer with the values 1, channel then use the write() system call to write it to the fd above, then read a 2-byte buffer back using the read() system call then decode it.
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[10:49] <Kriminel> hmm
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[10:50] <Kriminel> int inputvalue = wiringPiI2CReadReg8(fd, 1); retunrs a bunch of 0-255 values
[10:53] <Kriminel> i'll look into how to do what you said gordonDrogon
[10:53] <Kriminel> thank you :-)
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[10:59] <gordonDrogon> yea, the issue with ReadReg8 is that it outputs single byte for a registe - that chip needs 2 bytes outputting - first byte is the command, the 2nd byte is the register. Did I ever tell you how much I dislike I2C ?
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[11:01] <Chetic> is there a linux distro for rpi that boots in a few seconds?
[11:02] <Kriminel> you didnt tell me but i'll make a note of it :) i only ordered it because i wanted to learn about both SPI and I2C, now that SPI is somewhat functional (still waiting for the two new expansion boards) i wanted to give i2c a shot with this adc and a simple potentiometer
[11:02] <nid0> 1) define "a few" 2) any will if you strip it down enough
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[11:02] <ShorTie> booting time = what cha loading doesn't it
[11:02] <Kriminel> raspbian boots in like 10 seconds for me
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[11:10] <Chetic> I was thinking of setting one up to control and stream the music on my phone over bluetooth
[11:10] <Chetic> and the boot time does seem managable with arch linux (maybe 5 seconds without networking)
[11:10] <Chetic> but what about graceful shutdowns, how important are those?
[11:12] <shiftplusone> As long as there are no active writes, they seem safe
[11:12] <renihs> depends on fs and applications
[11:13] <shiftplusone> if you can get away with a read only fs, you'll be fine.
[11:13] <renihs> or an atomic fs
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[11:13] <Chetic> I'd prefer atomic ofc
[11:13] <renihs> or run sync;sync before ungrace to mitigate
[11:14] <Chetic> but is it that simple, just use a fs with atomic reads/writes?
[11:14] <renihs> well, there arent too many atomic fs, the ones there are, are not that suitable for pi (memory)
[11:15] <renihs> if i am wrong i am happy and let me know :)
[11:15] <Chetic> I hope you are :D
[11:16] <nid0> if you're using a pi as a media controller you should be able to get away with just having a readonly system
[11:16] <renihs> well for example, i love zfs, and i am going to try to torture my pi with it, but i doubt its a valid (or sane) option
[11:16] <renihs> or even practical option :)
[11:17] <renihs> but yeah, if its just for music and stuff, shouldnt be too much to worry about
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[12:21] <LeadCenobite> hallo
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[12:23] <LeadCenobite> I have a SAT-To-IP DVB-S Receiver. But the problem is it cannot encrypt the data stream. can I use a Raspberry PI to encrypt the stream before it sends it to the network?
[12:24] <geordie> can you do it with your other computers?
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[12:24] <LeadCenobite> geordie: but if I have to use my Core i7 for it, it will take huge power
[12:24] <LeadCenobite> just for encrypting
[12:24] <LeadCenobite> Raspberry uses less power
[12:25] <LeadCenobite> so it is more energy efficient not to use a PC for it
[12:25] <LeadCenobite> do you understand my intension?
[12:26] <geordie> yes
[12:27] <LeadCenobite> I must encrypt the stream because of German law
[12:27] <geordie> you just have to try it and see; you probably know better than most people here if it will work or not :)
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[12:31] <SpeedEvil> LeadCenobite: what is the data rate.
[12:32] <LeadCenobite> max. 8 Mbit/s
[12:32] <r0bert-> Would throwing your traffic accross an ssh tunnel fit your needs?
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[12:34] <LeadCenobite> oh I will look at it ;)
[12:35] <r0bert-> not sure exactly what you're doing, but creating an SSH tunnel to the destination box would ensure the traffic to it is inside an encrypted tunnel.
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[12:37] <LeadCenobite> r0bert-: There is a Server Box which gets Satellite Signal and sends it into the Network. Since I must bridge a gap I have to send it through the Internet. The Receiver Box is standing in another apartment
[12:38] <r0bert-> SSH sounds like an answer
[12:38] <LeadCenobite> thx
[12:39] <r0bert-> you could setup a key login so it wouldn't even require a pw
[12:39] <r0bert-> but still be secure
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[12:54] <dastaan> Hello, I just made a wrong connection and gave 5v to 3.3v (pin 1) of rpi...what am I looking at ? A dead card or blown polyfuse ? My sd card and usb wifi is working fine. Any help will be appreciated.
[12:54] <dastaan> Thanks
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[12:55] <raspi-user> hi, I have problems accessing GPIO from an python/django app. I know that there is an security model to prevent access from normal user to hardware. But what possibilities do I have to access /dev/mem without sudo?
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[13:02] <shiftplusone> dastaan, maybe you got away with it
[13:03] <shiftplusone> dastaan, if you didn't mess up the regulator and the main chip seems to work fine...
[13:03] <shiftplusone> maybe some damage that will reduce the lifetime of the pi, but meh
[13:07] <dastaan> shiftplusone: This is what happened. I connected it in wrong manner, pi blinked for a second and switched off. I realised my mistake. Immediately switched of pi. Removed SD card / dongle and tested them with working pi. However, damaged pi doesn't seem to boot up the card.
[13:08] <dastaan> May be i lost it :|
[13:08] <shiftplusone> maybe
[13:09] <dastaan> Btw, Thank you :-)
[13:09] <gordonDrogon> raspi-user, you can make your program set-uid root, then drop root privs once you've opened the /dev/mem interface... However I don't know if that works in Python - it works in C.
[13:10] <Bhaal> Woot... Unifi controller running on Pi
[13:10] * shiftplusone wouldn't trust python+django with root privileges for a second.
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[13:12] <fbite> Can I compile an application on a laptop and then move it to the sd card? or do all compiled for pi apps have to ebe done on the pi itself?\
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[13:13] <fbite> Say I wanna build something from source, do I have to do this on the machine i intend to use the program on?
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[13:14] <mgottschlag> you can use a crosscompiler
[13:14] <mgottschlag> the procedure of setting one up varies between distributions
[13:14] <mgottschlag> or you can compile in a virtual machine with the same CPU as the pi, but that won't give any CPU speed advantages :D
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[13:16] <shiftplusone> Best of both worlds: https://github.com/bmanojlovic/rpi-cross-compile
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[13:18] <fbite> What if I wanna run a script that will place files in a bunch of random directories. Im trying to install a frontend for retroarch (retropie), without doing so on the pi itself. I know this app has a very complicated directory tree, so a copy and paste of the a "final executable" is irrelevent here....
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[13:55] <CarryA1911_> Good morning pi people.
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[13:58] <shiftplusone> Hey
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[14:12] <gordonDrogon> CarryA1911_, aftermorning here...
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[14:13] <CarryA1911_> Well then, good Day :o)
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[14:38] <Benguin> Hmmm
[14:39] <Benguin> Does the USB port on the pi supply enough power to power a USB headset?
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[14:41] <Armand> Maybe.. I'll guess the manufacturer specs don't list power draw?
[14:42] <gordonDrogon> you have about 200mA "spare" on the Pi (Rev 2).
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[14:42] <gordonDrogon> so one usb device @ 200mA, or 2 at 100 each, or ...
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[14:43] <CarryA1911_> Butting in here... so you could use a power supply that provides 2, 3, 4 or more mA?
[14:43] <CarryA1911_> vs jus 1mA
[14:43] <Benguin> I have no clue whta sort of draw this has
[14:43] <Armand> My supply will do 2/3A
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[14:43] <Benguin> It's a gamecom 780, if anyone knows what sort of draw that uses
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[14:44] <Benguin> Anyway, the reason I ask is 'cause I'm toying with pulse network sinks, and so far I can only get it to work with the onboard soundcard
[14:44] <Benguin> Using the USB one produces only silence :c
[14:44] <Armand> So... Errmmm.. What's wrong with the onboard sound ?
[14:45] <Benguin> I don't have a non-usb headset that doesn't make my ears bleed XD
[14:45] <Armand> O_OO
[14:45] <Benguin> Also it's sort've....
[14:45] <Benguin> Grainy
[14:45] <Benguin> I can actively hear static when there's no sound playing
[14:45] <Benguin> And I can hear additional interference whenever the pi is "busy"
[14:46] <Armand> How strange.
[14:46] <Benguin> (for instance, I just used pacman to install a package.)
[14:46] <Benguin> I just sort of assumed it was norma/l
[14:46] <Benguin> Is that not the case?
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[14:47] <Benguin> Oof blimey these are some strange sounds
[14:47] <Benguin> I installed alsa mixer and it sounded a bit like a dialup modem for a while x3
[14:48] <Armand> I've not noticed anything on mine, but then I only tested the sound briefly.
[14:48] <Armand> I'm wondering if you have a noisy power supply ?
[14:48] <Benguin> Oh. You know what? It's working now
[14:48] <CarryA1911_> The USB one?
[14:49] <Benguin> Yeah
[14:49] <Benguin> Fiddling works \o/
[14:49] <Armand> lol
[14:49] <Benguin> Typical of pulseaudio though.
[14:49] <Benguin> And I don't think my PSU is particularly noisy
[14:49] <Benguin> It's just a usb cable plugged into a surgeprotector/USB plug
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[14:50] <Benguin> Hm.. I can't say I'm not getting a bit of jitter or something with the USB headset though.
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[14:51] <Benguin> A little popping and crackling
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[14:53] <Benguin> Hm.. Would it be /bad/ for me to disable "suspend on idle" for the soundcard?
[14:53] <Benguin> Surely there's some reason it's on by default?
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[14:56] <Benguin> Oh my gosh... It gets more distorted the higher the load is x3
[14:57] <Armand> O_O
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[14:57] <Benguin> Hm.. I haven't updated the software on my pi in a while.. I have a lot to install but I think it's running out of memory mid-update :/
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[14:59] <Benguin> It occurs to me that I don't have any swap
[14:59] <Sonny_Jim> What makes you think it's running out of memory? What's the error message?
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[14:59] <Benguin> Sonny_Jim: It's just that the last time I tried, the pi become completely unresponsive and had tobe rebooted
[15:00] <Sonny_Jim> How long did you you leave it for
[15:00] <Benguin> A while. The green "activity" light wasn't doing anything
[15:00] <Sonny_Jim> So 5 minutes, 10 minutes?
[15:00] <Benguin> 5 minutes ish
[15:00] <Sonny_Jim> How were you connected?
[15:00] <ShorTie> what does 'df -h' say ??
[15:00] <Sonny_Jim> this was with sudo apt-get update, right?
[15:00] <Benguin> about halfway through the updates it stops responding
[15:00] <Benguin> No, sorry, Archlinux ARM
[15:01] <Benguin> df -h says I don't have any swap, if that's what you were askin'
[15:01] <ShorTie> ya, arch doesn't have a swap file by defualt
[15:02] <Sonny_Jim> I didn't think df told you about swap anyway?
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[15:02] <ShorTie> how much free space is left is what i was l00kin for
[15:02] <Benguin> about half of my free space (8GB free)
[15:02] <Benguin> Um, about half of my available*
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[15:03] <Benguin> Sonny_Jim: You seem tobe right
[15:03] <Benguin> weird
[15:03] <Sonny_Jim> free is what you want
[15:03] <Benguin> lsblk says it doesn't have any either
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[15:03] <ShorTie> i would think it depends on if it is a file or a partition
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[15:03] <Sonny_Jim> free and mount
[15:03] <ShorTie> raspbian uses a file
[15:03] <Benguin> Hmm... Actually? I have an empty 1GM partition on there
[15:03] <Benguin> it's just not mounted as swap
[15:04] <Benguin> GB*
[15:04] <Sonny_Jim> 1GM sounds HUUUUGE
[15:04] <Sonny_Jim> lol
[15:04] <Benguin> Heheh
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[15:04] <Benguin> What would it even stand for?
[15:04] <Sonny_Jim> mkswap /dev/foo&&swapon /dev/foo
[15:04] <Sonny_Jim> Giga-Mega
[15:04] <Benguin> Heh
[15:04] <Sonny_Jim> So that would be Peta?
[15:05] <Benguin> First I'll see if I can confirm that it is swap (though it almost definitely is)
[15:05] <Sonny_Jim> I dunno, not up to scratch on engineering notation
[15:08] <Sonny_Jim> The Acorn Archimedes had the best error noise
[15:08] <Sonny_Jim> "foop"
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[15:29] <gordonDrogon> I don't recall the error noise on my old Arc...
[15:33] <Sonny_Jim> Obviously didn't break yours as much as mine ;-)
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[16:05] <gordonDrogon> are the same error noises, etc. still present in risc-os, I wonder.
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[16:05] <gordonDrogon> actually, I don't really wonder. error noises must have moved on in the past 20 years...
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[16:05] * gordonDrogon wonders how old Dungeon Keeper is... that came with a set of system sounds for windows that were simple WAVs so easy to adapt :)
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[16:09] <CarryA1911_> nobody would happen to know the sunos version of "source .alias" would they? my google-fu is failing
[16:10] <renihs> thewhatnow?
[16:11] <CarryA1911_> In linux, you can "> source .alias" to get bash to read an alias file (where you have shortcuts/aliased commands stored.
[16:11] <CarryA1911_> no workie in sun
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[16:16] <CarryA1911_> it was off-topic, I just thought w/ so many *nix folks around someone might know it off hand.
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[16:22] <gordonDrogon> CarryA1911_, dot. as in dot space .alias (. .alias)
[16:22] <gordonDrogon> CarryA1911_, you're running a SunOS system????
[16:23] * gordonDrogon remembers that from 20 odd years ago...
[16:23] <CarryA1911_> gordonDrogon: I don't admin it.. but one of the boxes I access is sun, yes
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[16:23] <gordonDrogon> probably solaris I suspect... SunOS is very very old...
[16:24] <CarryA1911_> I had tried ". .alias" but i get lias: command not found
[16:24] <CarryA1911_> weir thing is even if I move the .alias file to .bash_alias, it still borks up saying the same thing
[16:24] <renihs> CarryA1911_, um . .alias
[16:25] <renihs> just use "."
[16:25] <CarryA1911_> renihs: nope
[16:25] <renihs> what solaris are you using?
[16:25] <renihs> that has been around since sunos 2.0 or like
[16:26] <renihs> or maybe not, thats too long ago
[16:26] <CarryA1911_> Yeah... i've used .alias on other sparc boxes and been happy ...something odd is happening here.
[16:26] <gordonDrogon> sure you're running bash? echo $shell
[16:26] <renihs> you can ask in solaris i suppose :)
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[16:26] <renihs> hopefully not
[16:26] <renihs> should be ksh93
[16:26] <gordonDrogon> gordon @ yakko: echo $shell
[16:26] <gordonDrogon> /bin/csh
[16:27] <renihs> csh pfff :p
[16:27] <gordonDrogon> that'll annoy a few ;-)
[16:27] <renihs> evil, i call evil!
[16:27] <gordonDrogon> it's actually tcsh, but.
[16:27] * renihs fetches pitchforks and torches
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[16:28] <gordonDrogon> if you've been using it for over 20 years, change is hard. I'm trying to get to grips with bash though as that's what's running on the Pi by default.
[16:28] <CarryA1911_> gordonDrogon: lol, yeah I am in bash
[16:28] <renihs> gordonDrogon, thats why i am suggesting pitchforks and torches
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[16:36] <CarryA1911_> 1911 > pitchfork ;op
[16:37] <gordonDrogon> hey, I'm a C programmer. I like C shells...
[16:38] <shiftplusone> by the C shore?
[16:39] <CarryA1911_> gordonDrogon: You do c? quick question. If someone has a small program compiled in C, is there a way to "un-compile" it?
[16:40] <gordonDrogon> CarryA1911_, you can disassemble it, but depending on the optimiser will depend on your ability to re-generate the original C.
[16:40] <Benguin> Ah that's better
[16:40] <Benguin> updatin the pi and rebooting seems to have fixed the crackly audio
[16:40] <CarryA1911_> cool Benguin
[16:40] <Benguin> (could just be that it needed a reboot..)
[16:40] <CarryA1911_> thanks gordonDrogon
[16:40] <Benguin> \o/
[16:41] <Benguin> As it happens, this is the only way I can use my USB headset atm xD
[16:41] <gordonDrogon> shiftplusone, yes. She sells sea shells by the sea shore.
[16:41] <Benguin> I have a weird archlinux bug on thedesktop that prohibits me from using my headset at any appreciably loud volume
[16:41] <Benguin> Hence why I'm using my pi as a network sink \o/
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[16:44] <renihs> on a side note, is there a pi which has 2 network interfaces that i failed to stumble about?
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[16:47] <nid0> no
[16:48] <CarryA1911_> would a USB wifi adapt. count?
[16:48] <nid0> unless you count any old pi hooked up to a switch
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[16:48] <gordonDrogon> renihs, one USB interface - as many USB network interfaces as you can connect...
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[16:49] <renihs> gordonDrogon, yeah i know, but i would like not to have something sticking out
[16:49] <renihs> integrated would be neater :)
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[16:50] <CarryA1911_> the eth. cable would be sticking out ;o)
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[16:52] <nid0> I dont think there are really any alternate devices either that have dual ethernet, the dreamplug does but its like 6x the price of a pi
[16:53] <mgottschlag> well, there are lots of boards with wifi router processors
[16:53] <mgottschlag> e.g. carambola/carambola2
[16:53] <mgottschlag> even cheaper than the pi, but also half as fast
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[16:55] <gordonDrogon> it's a "can't please everyone" situation. Wi-Fi dongles are getting smaller though!
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[17:05] <SpeedEvil> gordonDrogon: There exist stubby ones
[17:06] <SpeedEvil> ~.5cm stick-ut
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[17:39] <Encrypt> Hi o/
[17:39] <Encrypt> Do you know any better swap medium than a partition on the SD Card?
[17:40] <Encrypt> (Regarding life expectancy of the components)
[17:40] <renihs> hmm not using swap my be a good option :)
[17:40] <renihs> if that is an option
[17:40] <Encrypt> renihs, I'm using my Pi as a server
[17:40] <renihs> so? when you start swaping you stop serving :)
[17:41] <Encrypt> Sorry, just time to ssh to it
[17:41] <Encrypt> Currently, top shows:
[17:41] <Encrypt> KiB Mem: 236868 total, 212840 used, 24028 free, 33864 buffers
[17:41] <Encrypt> I'd like to add extra services :P
[17:41] <renihs> oh the small version hmm
[17:41] <gordonDrogon> you could try swapping to a USB stick/drive - that's probably your only other option
[17:41] <Encrypt> And it won't have surely enough RAM
[17:41] <gordonDrogon> run top and press M (capital M)
[17:41] <Encrypt> gordonDrogon, Yeah, that's what I was wondering :/
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[17:42] <renihs> ah, i have the 512mb version one
[17:42] <Encrypt> hUM
[17:42] <Encrypt> Too many IMAP processes...
[17:42] <gordonDrogon> turn gpu_mem down to 16 too.
[17:42] <Encrypt> One epr user
[17:42] <Encrypt> per*
[17:42] <gordonDrogon> yea, maybe start to limit stuff then..
[17:42] <Encrypt> gordonDrogon, Yes, that's what I did the other day :)
[17:43] <Encrypt> (gpu_mem)
[17:44] <Encrypt> By the way renihs
[17:44] <Encrypt> It's one of the 256MB Chinese B models :P
[17:44] <renihs> ooh :(((
[17:44] <Encrypt> One of the firts :)
[17:44] <renihs> unlucky you :(
[17:44] <Encrypt> firsts*
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[17:44] <renihs> i got one too at some point
[17:44] <Encrypt> :)
[17:44] <renihs> but i was so mad, amazon send me two :)
[17:45] <renihs> for free :p
[17:45] <renihs> uk versions actually
[17:45] <Encrypt> Ehehe :p
[17:45] <Encrypt> I wanted to make a USB RAM peripheral this year
[17:45] <Encrypt> I didn't succeed... :(
[17:45] <renihs> i assumed 512mb, which usually can be enough for most use cases
[17:46] <renihs> i would rather add more pi's then use swap if its possible in any way or form
[17:46] <Encrypt> Yes, I agrre
[17:46] <Encrypt> Yes, more Pis could be a solution
[17:46] <Encrypt> But then, that's 3.5W only for RAM
[17:47] <renihs> hmm battery use?
[17:47] <renihs> or want to go _really_ really efficient?
[17:47] <renihs> or solar power limits or stuff? :)
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[17:48] <Encrypt> renihs, Yes, I want a very high efficiency :p
[17:48] <Encrypt> More services for less power :P
[17:48] <gordonDrogon> ALIX boards are only 4w if you want efficicny and they have sata ports...
[17:48] <gordonDrogon> 500Mhz AMD Geode processor.
[17:48] <Encrypt> Hum...
[17:48] <Encrypt> I'll have a look :)
[17:52] <renihs> Encrypt, then you do need the 512mb version though :)
[17:52] <Encrypt> That's also a solution, right :p
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[17:58] <Samysam> Hello !
[17:59] <sla_erick> i'm having some weird issues with my pi, it gets disconnected from the internet after some hours of booted. Since is a headless unit i have to disconnect it from the power and reconnect it to start again. Here is the log where the problem appears around line #37 : http://pastebin.com/U3b1L0X4
[17:59] <Samysam> I'm tying to log to the pi using a cdc_acm device, but nothing happened
[17:59] <sla_erick> my pi is connected to a powered 7 usb hub
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[18:00] <Samysam> screen /dev/ttyACM0 115200 make only a black screen. Any thing to check ?
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[18:00] <shiftplusone> try switching the tx and rx lines around
[18:01] <gordonDrogon> or shorting them together on the Pi to check that's working first.
[18:02] <Sonny_Jim> I seem to remember that one of the serial lines gets claimed on startup for the console?
[18:03] <shiftplusone> claimed for exactly his use
[18:03] <Sonny_Jim> Ah nm, it's ttyAMA0
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[18:03] <Samysam> shiftplusone: I'll try that
[18:03] <Sonny_Jim> I remember as it was giving me problems with the GPIO project I was doing
[18:04] <Sonny_Jim> Reboot and random things(tm) started to happen
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[18:04] <gordonDrogon> yes - you need to disable the getty in /etc/inittab
[18:04] <gordonDrogon> disabling the kernel serial console is advisble too.
[18:05] <shiftplusone> Why? it sounds like he needs it enabled.
[18:05] <shiftplusone> He wants to log in.... using the serial console.... which is what's enabled by default.
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[18:07] <gordonDrogon> ah, ok - misread that bit - thought he was running screen on the Pi to connect out ...
[18:08] <gordonDrogon> in which case short out the tx & rx on the usb dongle before it goes into the Pi ...
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[18:10] <Samysam> gordonDrogon:what should happen if I sourt out them ?
[18:11] <Samysam> s/sourt/short/
[18:11] <gordonDrogon> what you type gets echod back.
[18:12] <gordonDrogon> so you can check your system that you're running screen on to make sure that end is all OK first.
[18:12] <gordonDrogon> incremental testing, one step at a time.
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[18:15] <Encrypt> Thanks for your suggestions gordonDrogon & renihs
[18:15] <Encrypt> I'll think about these :)
[18:15] <Samysam> Many thanks ! switching rx and tx works !
[18:16] <Encrypt> See you o/
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[18:17] <shiftplusone> hurray
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[18:21] <Samysam> Arf... new problem: it works with raspbian, but not with buildroot :-/
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[18:22] <shiftplusone> buildroot is kind of a loose term here
[18:23] <shiftplusone> you can make anything with it, so we have no idea how your buildroot system is set up.
[18:23] <shiftplusone> there is an option to specify the serial device, set the baud rate and so on, I know that much
[18:24] <Samysam> more or less the standard one, from upstream, not from the forks
[18:24] <shiftplusone> sure, but you're meant to configure it
[18:25] <Samysam> I will check that
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[18:27] <Samysam> something like that shuld work ? /sbin/getty -L ttyS0 115200 vt100
[18:27] <shiftplusone> not ttyS0
[18:27] <shiftplusone> ttyAMA0
[18:27] <Samysam> ok
[18:27] <Samysam> and what is vt100 ?
[18:28] <gordonDrogon> vt100 is a very old serial terminal.
[18:28] <gordonDrogon> it's used here to define the codes sent to it to do stuff like clear the screen, move the cursor, etc.
[18:29] <Samysam> ok, so I can use this, or is there another one more usefull ?
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[18:33] <gordonDrogon> I'd leave it at vt100.
[18:33] <shiftplusone> get it working, then worry about it later
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[18:35] <Samysam> ok
[18:35] <Samysam> I'll check that (but will take some time, buildroot rebuild
[18:37] <shiftplusone> yes, buildroot is fun like that
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[18:37] <Samysam> You know which driver raspbian use for that ? cdc acm?
[18:38] <shiftplusone> eh?
[18:38] <shiftplusone> should be neither
[18:38] <shiftplusone> pll/ppl...some numbers... something
[18:38] <shiftplusone> PL011
[18:39] <shiftplusone> whatever the driver for that is should be it, I think
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[18:54] <_BigWings_> asdf
[18:54] <_BigWings_> does anyone know how I could driver 120 leds individually from a raspberry?
[18:54] <_BigWings_> or arduino for that matter
[18:54] <gordonDrogon> yes.
[18:54] <gordonDrogon> you will need gpio expander chips.
[18:55] <gordonDrogon> e.g. mcp23017's.
[18:55] <gordonDrogon> that has 16 extra outputs and you can put 8 on them on a Pi.
[18:55] <_BigWings_> hmm
[18:55] <_BigWings_> is that the simplest solution?
[18:55] <gordonDrogon> You can also multiplex that number of LEDs with just 2 of those chips.
[18:55] <_BigWings_> I wouldn't mind paying a bit for an out of the box solution
[18:55] <mgottschlag> or spi + shift registers
[18:56] <gordonDrogon> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g5cSvVGCX_A
[18:56] <mgottschlag> _BigWings_: aren't you designing hardware for those 120 LEDs already?
[18:56] <gordonDrogon> that has 128 LEDs using 2 x mcp23017's.
[18:56] <gordonDrogon> _BigWings_, if you're in the UK then I may be able to help..
[18:56] <_BigWings_> I have a software company that makes software for real estate
[18:56] <_BigWings_> www.aeonvirtual.com
[18:57] <_BigWings_> now a client is asking me if I can interface with their physical model
[18:57] <_BigWings_> that has an led in every condo
[18:57] <gordonDrogon> not in the UK then :)
[18:57] <_BigWings_> and has 120 leads plus ground running out of it
[18:57] * gordonDrogon boggles
[18:57] <_BigWings_> and now its up to us to drive that. I am not an electronics guy
[18:57] <gordonDrogon> why do they want a single LED in each appartment?
[18:58] <_BigWings_> our software can highlight every condo
[18:58] <_BigWings_> so buyers can see where their condo is on the model
[18:58] <gordonDrogon> oh, a model. right!
[18:58] * gordonDrogon didn't get that. oops :)
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[18:59] <_BigWings_> would anyone here be interested and capable of making a little box with a raspberry in it that takes those 120 leads
[18:59] <gordonDrogon> not hard to make it - the hard part is the wiring.
[18:59] <_BigWings_> and then all I have to do is connect to it through the network and tell it to 'light condo 68'
[18:59] <gordonDrogon> if you were in the UK, I'd offer, but can't currently handle anything outside here.
[18:59] <_BigWings_> or whatever
[19:00] <_BigWings_> hmm, how 'not hard to make' would that be for you?
[19:01] <_BigWings_> I would envision something with a pcb with 120 connectors on it that you just clip 120 wires into
[19:01] <gordonDrogon> more or less.
[19:01] <gordonDrogon> that's the hard part - the physical connections.
[19:01] <_BigWings_> why? that seems like the easy part to me :)
[19:01] <gordonDrogon> lots of floating wires to wrangle :)
[19:02] <_BigWings_> yeah that should be fine
[19:02] <_BigWings_> but what comes between there and the raspberry is what i don't know
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[19:03] <_BigWings_> so the raspberry just outputs a series of high-low signals to its io pins
[19:03] <_BigWings_> and then a bunch of leds light up
[19:03] <gordonDrogon> yes, but the Pi doesn't have enough on-board IO to do all 120.
[19:03] <_BigWings_> right?
[19:03] <gordonDrogon> so you'd connect the Pi's IO to devices that expand the capability.
[19:04] <_BigWings_> ok, so to indiviually control 120 leds you'd need 120 io pins no?
[19:04] <gordonDrogon> Yes. Without multiplexing that is.
[19:04] <gordonDrogon> with multiplexing you need less pins, but still more than the Pi has.
[19:05] <_BigWings_> ahh.. and multiplexing is? A ti9med signalI presume?
[19:05] <gordonDrogon> yes.
[19:05] <_BigWings_> ok
[19:05] <gordonDrogon> however it's easier to build and program without multiplexing.
[19:05] <mgottschlag> if you want google keywords, google "GPIO expander" :)
[19:06] <_BigWings_> ok
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[19:06] <gordonDrogon> so: 8 x mcp23017 chips @ 16-bits each, or 15 x 74x595 shift-registers @ 8-bits each.
[19:06] <mgottschlag> for example https://learn.adafruit.com/mcp230xx-gpio-expander-on-the-raspberry-pi/overview
[19:07] <_BigWings_> what does that chip do?
[19:07] <gordonDrogon> it takes a 2-wire signal bus and interprets commands sent over that bus to set the outputs (or read them as inputs)
[19:08] <gordonDrogon> and you can connect up to 8 of them on a Pi.
[19:08] <Rufio> anyone use a pi as a thin client?
[19:08] <_BigWings_> so it takes a serial command to turn on or off a pin?
[19:08] <gordonDrogon> You could make this on stripboard, or several bits of stripboard and use female 0.1" sockets to push the wires into (same sockets as on Arduino)
[19:08] <gordonDrogon> yes, a serial command. The Bus name is I2C.
[19:09] <_BigWings_> cool, gotta read up on that
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[19:09] <_BigWings_> thanks for the info
[19:09] <gordonDrogon> there's lots of software on the Pi that supports it - e.g. wiringPi is probably the simplest as it has a direct driver for the mcp23017's - you can set pins directly by typing commands, or from inside a program.
[19:09] <_BigWings_> one more thing, would there be power issues to overcome when driving 120 leds?
[19:09] <gordonDrogon> (I wrote wiringPi)
[19:10] <_BigWings_> I guess you can't just drive that off of your raspberry power
[19:10] <mgottschlag> _BigWings_: how many are on at a time?
[19:10] <gordonDrogon> yes - you'll probably need a separate 5v PSU for them
[19:10] <_BigWings_> 120
[19:10] <gordonDrogon> 10mA per LED, so 1.2 amps for the LEDs. A single 2 amp PSU for everything would work as long as it's genuinely 2 amps.
[19:10] <mgottschlag> okay, if all can be on, then you will also need to be careful about the maximum current your GPIO expander can deliver
[19:11] <_BigWings_> you guys think I could just go to our local electronics components store and ask someone there to tell me how to put this together exactly?
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[19:11] <gordonDrogon> is there a local hackspace/makespace/fablab?
[19:11] <gordonDrogon> that might be your best first stop.
[19:11] <_BigWings_> ok, no hackspace as far as I know
[19:11] <_BigWings_> im in montreal
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[19:11] <_BigWings_> But i do know a good electronics store
[19:12] <_BigWings_> with helpfull clerks
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[19:12] <mgottschlag> well, you can at least ask, althouh I don't think many component stores also do design work
[19:13] <gordonDrogon> they might know someone locally though.
[19:13] <mgottschlag> but if all you want is a plan, then you should be able to find someone either in this channel or somewhere else who you can hire
[19:13] <mgottschlag> because then it doesn't really matter anymore where on the globe that person is
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[19:13] * mgottschlag doesn't have time atm :p
[19:13] <_BigWings_> yeah thats true
[19:14] <_BigWings_> I guess i'd also need to know the specs of the led
[19:14] <gordonDrogon> if it were me, and I was doing it as a one-off, I'd use stripboard. Arrange the 23017's in a long line - possible even over 2 or 3 pieces of stripboard. female connectors either side (8 each side of each 23017).
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[19:14] <_BigWings_> cool
[19:15] <mgottschlag> especially, check the current
[19:15] <gordonDrogon> you'll need a resistor for each LED too. If you power the mcp23017's from 5v you'll be OK - the Pi is 3.3v, but the I2C bus is OK running like that.
[19:15] <mgottschlag> bbl
[19:15] <_BigWings_> anyone know if there is a free software to prototype this?
[19:15] <gordonDrogon> yea, 10mA is typical for small LEDs, but do check.
[19:15] <gordonDrogon> Look at Fritzing.
[19:15] <mgottschlag> I think fritzing is good for perfboard/stripboard design
[19:15] <_BigWings_> but does thats imulate?
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[19:15] <_BigWings_> simulate
[19:16] <mgottschlag> I don't think so
[19:16] <gordonDrogon> no.
[19:16] <_BigWings_> its just to check your layout I presume
[19:16] <gordonDrogon> You get diagrams like this:
[19:16] <gordonDrogon> http://wiringpi.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/03/sr595_bb.jpg
[19:16] <_BigWings_> k
[19:16] <_BigWings_> thanks for all the info guys, gotta go
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[19:22] <Sonny_Jim> Atanua is good fun to play with, dunno if how accurate it is though
[19:22] <mgottschlag2> _BigWings_: gordonDrogon: No, what I meant with "check the current" was this: The datasheet for the mcp23017 lists 125mA total current into the device, and 16x10mA would already be more than that
[19:22] <Sonny_Jim> Certainly easier to pick up and mess with than things like LTSpice or whatever
[19:23] <gordonDrogon> mgottschlag2, ah, good point.
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[19:24] <mgottschlag2> ... which might still work, but if you have client which will yell at you when the device fails, operating outside of the chip's spec might not be that good
[19:24] <mgottschlag2> so, the safe solution would be to add transistors to some of the outputs or all of them, or to connect less LEDs to one chip
[19:25] <gordonDrogon> starts to get messy on stripboard with transistors - even uln2803's.
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[19:26] <gordonDrogon> still do-able with the uln's.
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[19:54] <fwaokda> i had previously setup ssh connection between my ubuntu machine and my pi. I recently reformatted the pi and now trying to connect back via ssh. What do i need to do to erase configurations on my ubuntu machine to run the same steps i had previously to connect?
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[19:58] <lost_soul> greetings everyone.. I was wondering if someone familiar with the hardware side of the Pi could answer something for me. I was reading an article and have seen elsewhere that people were supplying power through their usb ports. The comments suggest that powering through the usb ports isn't a good idea. The people over on the OpenELEC channel have said my Pi is freezing due to a power issue. I have tried two PSUs both of which
[19:58] <lost_soul> sorry for the length
[19:58] <lost_soul> http://i.ebayimg.com/t/Micro-USB-Host-OTG-Cable-W-USB-power-for-Samsung-phone-i9100-i9300-i9220-9250-/00/s/MTAyNFgxMDI0/$%28KGrHqN,!jUE+u!eqJ+uBQH9SMno6!~~60_12.JPG
[19:59] <lost_soul> that is a photo of the OTG cable
[19:59] <lost_soul> I've verified I can supply power through both sides.. just have not tried both at the same time yet.
[20:00] <lost_soul> fwaokda: you should only have to remove the ~/.ssh/known_hosts file... and likely only if you gave the pi the same ip address
[20:01] <lost_soul> if I'm understanding what you are asking
[20:01] <lost_soul> actually you don't even need to remove the entire known_hosts file.. you can just delete the line for that particular machine
[20:01] <lost_soul> either or works
[20:02] <fwaokda> lost_soul, yes i didn't give it the same ip but it does have the same ip
[20:02] <gordonDrogon> and in addition to that, knowing the error message, or why you can't re-connect would help too...
[20:02] <gordonDrogon> but that's the usual one.
[20:03] <gordonDrogon> lost_soul, power power power... a common issue..
[20:03] <fwaokda> lost_soul, thanks that worked!
[20:03] <gordonDrogon> if you have a voltmeter, measure the voltage between tp1 and tp2 on the Pi's board.
[20:03] <lost_soul> gordonDrogon: the strange thing is, using raspbian which is considerably larger than openelec.. gave me no problems
[20:03] <lost_soul> fwaokda: great
[20:04] <gordonDrogon> maybe openelec is using more GPU - which will draw more current?
[20:04] <lost_soul> gordonDrogon: I'm sure it is using more GPU
[20:04] <lost_soul> I'll have a look around for my volt meter.. I think it's in the garage
[20:05] <lost_soul> do you think having both psu's hooked up would bork it?
[20:05] <gordonDrogon> lost_soul, you can power via the USB ports if it's a Rev 2 board - the down-side is that you then have no polyfuse to protect anything it might protect.
[20:05] <gordonDrogon> you're probably OK with 2 PSUs - people with 'broken' usb hubs have this frequently.
[20:06] <gordonDrogon> best not to if you can avoid it though.
[20:06] <lost_soul> gordonDrogon: but can I plug both in to the microusb.. that way they are both running through the polyfuse
[20:06] <gordonDrogon> I've seen cases where a marginal PSU was a bit better on the normal USB connections - just because it's not losing a fraction of a volt over the polyfuze.
[20:06] <gordonDrogon> not sure I'd do that myself - better to get one good PSU.
[20:07] <lost_soul> ok, I have no spare cash so I'll just leave it as is until I can afford a better supply
[20:08] <lost_soul> I figured running both through the micro would be better because of the fuse
[20:09] <lost_soul> it's amazing with all of the wall adapters I have laying around none of them is what I need :\
[20:09] <ShorTie> thats always my luck .. :/~
[20:10] <lost_soul> great, isn't it
[20:10] <ShorTie> not really, lol.
[20:12] <lost_soul> agreed
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[21:15] <whiskers75> power issues, yay
[21:15] <whiskers75> my pi froze because power
[21:16] <gordonDrogon> more power, Scotty ...
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[21:22] <Sonny_Jim> Fun fact: At no point in the TOS of Star Trek nor any of the films does anyone say "Beam me up Scotty"
[21:22] <Sonny_Jim> The closest they got was "Beam us up Scotty"
[21:23] <gordonDrogon> Scotty, bean me up.
[21:23] <gordonDrogon> *beam
[21:23] <shiftplusone> heh.... bean
[21:23] <Sonny_Jim> Also, in a TNG episode featuring Jimmy Doohan, Scotty admits to over-estimating the amount of time it would take to fix something so everyone would think he was a genius
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[21:23] <gordonDrogon> was he in TNG?
[21:24] <Sonny_Jim> Yeah it was one of the crossover episodes
[21:24] <gordonDrogon> I didn't see them all...
[21:24] <gordonDrogon> they were "ok, but".
[21:24] <Sonny_Jim> Yeah true that
[21:24] <Sonny_Jim> I tried rewatching the first series but lost interest pretty quickly
[21:25] <Sonny_Jim> Also this interview is pretty touching:
[21:26] <Sonny_Jim> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vsSdLD_YodQ
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[21:26] <Sonny_Jim> Anyhoo
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[21:27] <gordonDrogon> Holy Great Rat of the Underground Empire, Sonny_Jim
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[21:27] <Sonny_Jim> The plan is to glue libircclient into frotz
[21:28] <Sonny_Jim> There are other implementations but they all seem to be wrappers rather than integrating it properly
[21:30] * gordonDrogon boggles.
[21:30] * gordonDrogon played most of the old ones.
[21:30] <gordonDrogon> on an Apple II ...
[21:31] <Sonny_Jim> Oh you'd like this other project I'm playing around with
[21:31] <Sonny_Jim> Multiplayer MESS emulator
[21:31] <Sonny_Jim> And yes, Apple II works with it :-)
[21:32] <Sonny_Jim> I even had a game of BBC B Chuckie Egg with a random internet user the other day
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[21:55] <mumbles> dose anyone know of a php script that allows you to take photos with the raspberyr pi ?
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[22:10] * geordie has many fond memories of playing Infocom games on the APPLE ][
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[22:11] <geordie> i still have an original Apple Adventure diskette
[22:11] <geordie> that i received as a gift in 1980
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[22:14] <raalex> is it even still functional?
[22:14] <raalex> I can't imagine data on a disk surviving 34 years
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[22:14] <raalex> floppy disk that is
[22:15] <mumbles> dose anyone still have a floppy drive?
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[22:15] <mumbles> ;actally i think i do on an old rm machine
[22:15] <Armand> I have a few hanging around
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[22:15] * shiftplusone raises hand
[22:16] <shiftplusone> I've got a few usb floppy drives and a stack of floppies. Also a C64 with floppies and drive
[22:17] <mumbles> i dont know where my usb flopy drive went
[22:17] <mumbles> i lent it to someone
[22:18] <gordonDrogon> raalex, I have somne floppys from 1979 that still work.
[22:18] <gordonDrogon> and a PC: http://unicorn.drogon.net/lode.jpg
[22:18] <raalex> Nice
[22:18] <mumbles> so i want a php script that uses the pi camera to take a photo when you want
[22:18] <raalex> I am amazed that they last that long
[22:18] <mumbles> and also evey 30 seconds
[22:19] <mumbles> gordonDrogon: nice
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[22:19] <gordonDrogon> raalex, very low density helps I think.
[22:19] <gordonDrogon> and given how I stored them (ie. not that carefully) I was plesantly surprised they all still worked too.
[22:20] <raalex> :) well then
[22:20] <raalex> congratulations
[22:20] <mumbles> it sounds like smoene is playing airsoft outside
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[22:23] <geordie> raalex: i don't know if it still works, but i have an apple //e these days - need to get a working disk drive for it though
[22:23] <gordonDrogon> I've also got a //c
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[22:24] <gordonDrogon> I bought that on ebay after a year of trying to get a serial card for the Apple II - to try to get some old BASIC code off it to try to preserve it & save me typing it into RTB.
[22:24] <geordie> my kid is a bit of an apple fanboy; he's fascinated by the ancient apple products
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[22:24] <geordie> gordonDrogon: do you still need a Super Serial Card?
[22:25] <gordonDrogon> no - I have the //c
[22:25] <geordie> :)
[22:25] <gordonDrogon> which has them built in. all I need now is time to copy the programs I wrote 32+ years ago off...
[22:25] <geordie> i have a super serial card in my posession
[22:25] <geordie> yeah
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[22:26] <geordie> the //c was a nice machine.
[22:26] <geordie> is, even.
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[22:27] <Armand> gordonDrogon: My brain was made in 1978... That still works (to a degree). :P
[22:27] <gordonDrogon> Armand, well I'm somewhat older :)
[22:27] <Armand> Ohh, yeah.. I know.
[22:28] <Armand> You keep putting that damned walking frame in front of my chair. :P:
[22:28] <gordonDrogon> Hm.
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[22:28] <Armand> ^_^
[22:28] <gordonDrogon> I don't need one just quite yet...
[22:28] <Armand> So tempting to buy one for my dad.
[22:29] <gordonDrogon> wouldn't a stick be better if its just for a bit of balance?
[22:29] <geordie> i date my computer hacker-ness from 1975, when i read "Danny Dunn and the Homework Machine", by Jay Abrashkin
[22:29] <Armand> The stick doesn't quite work so well for sarcasm though..
[22:30] <geordie> jay william and ray abrashkin
[22:31] <gordonDrogon> 1978 for me. I got beaten at a game called NIM on an HP desktop "mini" computer.
[22:31] <gordonDrogon> might have been 77.
[22:31] <Armand> First computer I used was an IBM XT, back in... 86?
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[22:32] <Armand> I found another one back in... '99? Used it as a BBS terminal.
[22:32] <gordonDrogon> yea, I don't regard any (ibm) "PC" as classic in any sense like the old Apple II's, BBC Micros and other 8-bit stuff from that era.
[22:32] <Armand> Ohh, I had a Mac Classic II around somewhere.
[22:33] <gordonDrogon> nah, not Macs just the 8-bit ones.
[22:33] <gordonDrogon> if I had a mac classic, I'd turn it into a goldfish bowl.
[22:33] <Armand> lol
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[22:33] <gordonDrogon> I've seen it done!
[22:33] <Armand> Can't be bothered with fish. :P
[22:35] <geordie> i'd been an apple chauvinist (fanboy) for a number of years when the Macintosh came out. still have some original promotional material kicking around somewhere.
[22:35] <mumbles> i think theres a blue dalmation spotted onne at the scout hut
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[22:36] <gordonDrogon> I have an original Apple II mug (with the coloured apple logo) and a stack of notepads in the shape of a mac classic (still shrinkwrapped)
[22:36] <gordonDrogon> that might be worth a fiver on ebay one day...
[22:38] <Armand> I'm somewhat anti-Apple, but that's mostly antagonising the fanbois. :P
[22:39] <geordie> gordonDrogon: nice
[22:39] <geordie> Armand: i can certainly relate to the anti-apple stance; i steadfastly refuse to get an iphone; i've never owned an ipod, ipad, iwhatever
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[22:40] <Armand> I was using an iPony 3G, but that was a spare.. I hated it.
[22:40] <gordonDrogon> I liked apple but I don't like the iDevice thing.
[22:40] <geordie> (i'm typing on a MacBook air right now)
[22:40] <gordonDrogon> I liked apple when it was a "hackers" machine. when things started to get too closed I started to not pay much attention.
[22:41] <geordie> i remember intensely disliking MacOs 1 (or whatever they called it)
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[22:41] <geordie> no CLI, no access to the system monitor (built-in disassembler)
[22:42] <geordie> gordonDrogon: steve wozniak is one of my few personal heroes - he made that machine by himself.
[22:43] <gordonDrogon> almost by himself.
[22:43] <geordie> hehe, yeah
[22:43] <gordonDrogon> but yes, I've read lots of his stuff.
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[22:50] <Sonny_Jim> Is it a Walled Garden or a prison?
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[22:58] <doctorpenguin> Hey does anyone know anything about samba on rasp pi?
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[22:59] <doctorpenguin> I have tried unsuccessful creating a samba share on my rasp pi. It seems to no matter how I configure it to force a username and password for my share no matter if I add a user, enable it, or require no password
[22:59] <doctorpenguin> the samba channel is dead even though it has + 200 users in it
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[23:04] <mumbles> doctorpenguin: yeh i had problems myelf
[23:04] <doctorpenguin> mind if I link the config and you can maybe help me out?
[23:04] <doctorpenguin> or do you have any tips mumbles?
[23:05] <doctorpenguin> spent like 6 hours using guides and various pdfs can't get it to force no passwd
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[23:09] <mumbles> doctorpenguin: i gave up at that point
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[23:29] <doctorpenguin> lol
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