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IRC Log for 2014-07-13

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[0:05] <Sonny_Jim> Heh, massive response there
[0:05] <shiftplusone> snuggyfoo, I'm trying to get dsi-csi loopback going to high-speed communication
[0:05] <shiftplusone> *for
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[0:23] <snuggyfoo> Sounds like fun... is that for sharing a display/camera over multiple devices?
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[0:32] <mgottschlag> shiftplusone: interesting - any success so far? :D
[0:32] <ShorTie> to give your nic cable a run for it's money
[0:33] <shiftplusone> mgottschlag, got dsi spitting out data from the VC side. Have ported most of it back to ARM, but it turns out there might be a hardware bug preventing arm from fiddling dsi1 registers. So I'll probably have a few very basic vc functions to do the register twiddling. I did not manage to get CSI to budge, yet.
[0:34] <shiftplusone> snuggyfoo, just an experiment to see if we can tap into the unused bandwidth.
[0:34] <mgottschlag> what's the possible bandwidth?
[0:34] <shiftplusone> mgottschlag, 500Mbits
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[0:37] <ShorTie> he wants to plug his pi directly into a oc-48 connection
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[0:39] <shiftplusone> heh
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[0:48] <MY123> shiftplusone: Hve you released your PoC code ?
[0:48] <MY123> *have
[0:50] <shiftplusone> MY123, nope, the documentation for all that is closed and I haven't asked permission.
[0:50] <MY123> mgottschlag: 1Gbit real speed if using the two lanes.
[0:51] <shiftplusone> there are 4 lanes on DSI1
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[0:51] <MY123> shiftplusone: Can you ask permission ?
[0:51] <shiftplusone> I don't have the specs in front of me, so I'm not sure if that's 500Mbps per lane or altogether
[0:51] <MY123> shiftplusone: The Pi exposes only two lanes
[0:51] <GamesOnAToaster> Good evening.
[0:53] <MY123> shiftplusone: Can you add that as a function in the blob via VCHiQ?
[0:53] <shiftplusone> MY123, I can but there wouldn't be much of a point yet. And it's likely that they won't want to throw non-working crap out there since there's a strong possibility that it's not even possible to get dsi-csi loopback.
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[0:56] <GamesOnAToaster> What webcam software would you guys recommend for the Pi? I built a little rover, and right now I'm using motion.
[0:56] <MY123> shiftplusone: It is technically possible because the voltage levels and the interface is the same.How easy is another matter but successfulled at some time to connect directly a cam to a display because they luckly has the same timings.
[0:56] <GamesOnAToaster> But it's a bit too choppy when it's moving around.
[0:56] <MY123> *had
[0:57] <MY123> I just needed a microcontroller to set up the resolution.
[0:58] <shiftplusone> MY123, nuh, there are some hardware limitations which will require workarounds. I don't know the specifics yet. I'm sure i'll run into all of that once CSI is kicking.
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[0:58] <shiftplusone> SO what is vchiq anyway? Is that their interface to call certain vc functions from arm?
[1:00] <MY123> shiftplusone: VCHIQ is the ARM to VC RPC interface.
[1:00] <shiftplusone> Cool. Haven't looked at it yet.
[1:01] <MY123> It is already used for OpenGL ES, OpenVG and OpenMAX.Can't beleive that you don't know it!
[1:02] <shiftplusone> Why would I? I don't need to touch any of that.
[1:04] <MY123> Because a whole thread in the RTOS is dedicated to it. And vcdbg log msg can print each vchiq function call.
[1:05] <shiftplusone> Sure, there are all kinds of threads and all kinds of debug info
[1:05] <GamesOnAToaster> Anyone able to offer webcam advice?
[1:05] <Sonny_Jim> Put tape over it when not in use
[1:06] <GamesOnAToaster> Sigh.
[1:06] <GamesOnAToaster> What webcam software would you guys recommend for the Pi? I built a little rover, and right now I'm using motion.
[1:06] <GamesOnAToaster> But it's a bit too choppy when it's moving around.
[1:06] <GamesOnAToaster> Said at the top, don't think anyone saw it.
[1:06] <Sonny_Jim> Motion isn't really suited for streaming
[1:06] <Sonny_Jim> Maybe better to use something like vlc
[1:06] <MY123> GamesOnAToaster: If using a Pi recommend using the Pi Camera.
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[1:07] <shiftplusone> yeah, if it's a usb webcam, that's not the best approach
[1:07] <GamesOnAToaster> I don't have the money for the Pi camera
[1:07] <GamesOnAToaster> So I'll have to make due...
[1:07] <Sonny_Jim> I always pay me dos
[1:08] <MY123> GamesOnAToaster: High-end USB cameras with H264 encoding built in works well.
[1:09] <GamesOnAToaster> So it's my webcam causing the choppiness? Not the software?
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[1:09] <GamesOnAToaster> It's like 1FPS, If i'm lucky, over wifi.
[1:09] <shiftplusone> what happens if you view it locally?
[1:09] <shiftplusone> not in 'motion'
[1:10] <GamesOnAToaster> I haven't tried that.
[1:10] <MY123> GamesOnAToaster: If Wireless Fidelity, use gstreamer with H264.
[1:10] <shiftplusone> Hm, I've not even sure how you would try that, since I don't think omxplayer will just open the webcam
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[1:11] <GamesOnAToaster> Gstreamer? Ok, I'll give that a try, thanks. One more thing though, is there a better way of viewing the webcam (running motion) than doing it through firefox?
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[1:12] <MY123> GamesOnAToaster: VLC works well.
[1:12] <GamesOnAToaster> Oh, didn't think of that..let me try that quickly.
[1:12] <GamesOnAToaster> Your input can't be opened:
[1:12] <GamesOnAToaster> VLC is unable to open the MRL '10.1.2.13:8081'. Check the log for details.
[1:13] <MY123> Use <ipaddr>/stream.mjpg if my memor'y serves me well.
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[1:15] <MY123> With http:// before it!
[1:16] <MY123> GamesOnAToaster: Hope that the advice above works.
[1:17] <GamesOnAToaster> Yup! Thanks.
[1:18] <GamesOnAToaster> The stream looks better, still kinda choppy though, I'll try upping the FPS in motion.
[1:19] <MY123> GamesOnAToaster: What resolution do you use ?
[1:20] <GamesOnAToaster> 320 x 240
[1:21] <MY123> So, you can up the fps to 30 and the res to 640*480, GamesOnAToaster .
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[1:22] <GamesOnAToaster> 30? This guide I'm reading here says anything above 4 will "seriously strain your pi"
[1:23] <Sonny_Jim> Phew, got one half of my IRC frotzbot working, time for a break
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[1:31] <GamesOnAToaster> Frotzbot?
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[1:37] <GamesOnAToaster> Changing the quality doesn't seem to increase the framerate at all.
[1:37] <GamesOnAToaster> Seems my webcam is just shitty by default :/
[1:37] <GamesOnAToaster> It is very, very cheap, so it makes sense.
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[1:55] <MY123> GamesOnAToaster: Does it work well on a PC?
[1:56] <snuggyfoo> Cam module should be better, no?
[1:57] <MY123> snuggyfoo: GamesOnAToaster said that he has not enough money to buy a PiCam.
[1:57] <snuggyfoo> Ohhhh..
[1:57] <snuggyfoo> *shrug*
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[3:15] <Tripout> hi!
[3:16] <Sonny_Jim> Hi there
[3:16] <Tripout> i just executed the top command, but i don't understand how the total ram usage compares to the list below
[3:16] <Tripout> KiB Mem: 447996 total, 398212 used, 49784 free, 33776 buffers
[3:16] <Tripout> KiB Swap: 1048572 total, 0 used, 1048572 free, 300004 cached
[3:16] <Tripout> PID USER PR NI VIRT RES SHR S %CPU %MEM TIME+ COMMAND
[3:16] <Tripout> 16529 www-data 20 0 296m 14m 10m R 3,6 3,3 1:53.38 php5-fpm
[3:16] <Tripout> 16858 pi 20 0 4672 1364 1028 R 1,0 0,3 0:11.26 top
[3:16] <Tripout> 1 root 20 0 2148 720 616 S 0,0 0,2 0:02.72 init
[3:17] <Tripout> 2 root 20 0 0 0 0 S 0,0 0,0 0:00.01 kthreadd
[3:17] <Tripout> 3 root 20 0 0 0 0 S 0,0 0,0 0:04.47 ksoftirqd/0
[3:17] <Tripout> 5 root 0 -20 0 0 0 S 0,0 0,0 0:00.00 kworker/0:0H
[3:17] <Tripout> 7 root 20 0 0 0 0 S 0,0 0,0 0:11.52 rcu_preempt
[3:17] <Tripout> 8 root 20 0 0 0 0 S 0,0 0,0 0:00.00 rcu_bh
[3:17] <Tripout> 9 root 20 0 0 0 0 S 0,0 0,0 0:00.00 rcu_sched
[3:17] <Tripout> 10 root 0 -20 0 0 0 S 0,0 0,0 0:00.00 khelper
[3:17] <Tripout> 11 root 20 0 0 0 0 S 0,0 0,0 0:00.00 kdevtmpfs
[3:17] <Tripout> 12 root 0 -20 0 0 0 S 0,0 0,0 0:00.00 netns
[3:17] <The_HunterT> Tripout: stop
[3:17] <Tripout> 13 root 0 -20 0 0 0 S 0,0 0,0 0:00.00 writeback
[3:17] <Tripout> 14 root 0 -20 0 0 0 S 0,0 0,0 0:00.00 bioset
[3:17] <Tripout> 15 root 0 -20 0 0 0 S 0,0 0,0 0:00.00 crypto
[3:17] <Tripout> 16 root 0 -20 0 0 0 S 0,0 0,0 0:00.00 kblockd
[3:17] <Tripout> 17 root 20 0 0 0 0 S 0,0 0,0 0:00.28 khubd
[3:17] <Tripout> sorry
[3:18] <The_HunterT> Use pastebin for that stuff
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[3:20] <Tripout> sorry, didn't know about a service like pastbin
[3:20] <The_HunterT> It's fine, live and learn :D
[3:20] <Tripout> :-D
[3:21] <Sonny_Jim> Notice the "cached" bit
[3:24] <Tripout> ah, thanks.
[3:24] <Sonny_Jim> free is probably more what you want
[3:25] <pksato> dont try to understand memory usage reported by tools like top and free. :)
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[3:29] <Tripout> yes, free command is better. is there a way to show the usage of the cached filed?
[3:29] <Tripout> files
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[3:33] <Sonny_Jim> Honestly, you don't need to worry about it, that's what the OS is for ;-)
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[3:35] <Tripout> ok. i'm just a windows child my whole live. so i allways just used my system. now i try do understand a few things. :)
[3:35] <Tripout> so, sorry for maybe a few dull questions, and thx for support. :)
[3:36] <[Saint]> [13:16:13] <Tripout> i just executed the top command, but i don't understand how the total ram usage compares to the list below
[3:36] <[Saint]> ...said everyone, ever. Hahaha. :)
[3:36] <[Saint]> Yeah, that's all voodoo, son. :)
[3:36] <Tripout> :-D
[3:38] <Sonny_Jim> http://linuxaria.com/howto/understanding-the-top-command-on-linux
[3:38] <Sonny_Jim> http://www.linuxnix.com/2013/05/find-ram-size-in-linuxunix.html
[3:39] <[Saint]> I used to have a small tool that spat out the output of free in *real* numbers.
[3:39] <[Saint]> Can't find it though.
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[3:40] <[Saint]> I does something along the lines of "the system says you've got blah, minus, blah, and if we factor in blah...you've actually got blah!"
[3:40] <[Saint]> In a cute, slightly derogatory fashion.
[3:42] <Tripout> it is hard to say which cache size is necessary for the pi to work proper, or isn't it? i'm just asking, because i wan't to know how many processes the system can handle before it gets really slow or instable.
[3:42] <pksato> Worry about memory usage if the kernel start killing process.
[3:43] <[Saint]> Think about it this way: "its not a computer, its a cellphone, from around ~2008, and a baseline model at that."
[3:43] <[Saint]> ...and you'll be fine.
[3:43] <pksato> Tripout: linux use all not used memory to file system cache, and release if need memory to other uses.
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[3:44] <[Saint]> Its not really possible to answer your questions, as "processes" is such a vague term.
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[3:47] <pksato> linux (and others) get slower if increase swap paging I/O rate.
[3:47] <[Saint]> [debateable]
[3:48] <Tripout> <pksato> Worry about memory usage if the kernel start killing process.
[3:48] <Tripout> that's a sentence! xD
[3:48] <[Saint]> It is.
[3:48] <Tripout> learning by burning ^ ^
[3:49] <[Saint]> That's the way any modern OS works.
[3:49] <pksato> but, before killing start, system get slow due intense use of swap area.
[3:49] <[Saint]> If it can't sustain what its trying to run, it'll start killing off the low hanging fruit.
[3:49] <Tripout> ok, well to know. i'll have an eye on it.
[3:53] <pksato> Experiments and fun with the Linux disk cache http://www.linuxatemyram.com/play.html
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[3:55] <Tripout> uh, now it get's really interesting. thx for the link pksato
[3:55] <Tripout> but not today. i have to go to bed now.
[3:55] <Tripout> have a good time. cu
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[4:58] <doctorpenguin> Does anyone know how to change where retropie looks for roms?
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[5:00] <doctorpenguin> anyone?
[5:01] <[Saint]> Generally speaking, replies on IRC can take a LOT longer than 2 minutes.
[5:01] <[Saint]> Patience.
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[5:02] <Sonny_Jim> Just setup a symlink
[5:02] <Sonny_Jim> Not exactly rocket science
[5:02] <Sonny_Jim> rm roms
[5:02] <Sonny_Jim> ln -s path/to/roms roms/
[5:03] <[Saint]> Woo, passive aggressive helpful response - I love you IRC...
[5:03] <doctorpenguin> I'm sorry I've searched like 10 faqs and haven't gotten any closer to figuring it out. I'm new to linux commands/shell scripts.
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[5:05] * Sonny_Jim shrugs
[5:05] <Sonny_Jim> They asked for help, I tried to be helpful
[5:05] <doctorpenguin> can I do this /w a usb?
[5:06] <Sonny_Jim> And also, did you try googling?
[5:06] <Sonny_Jim> http://blog.petrockblock.com/forums/topic/change-rom-folder-location/
[5:06] <Sonny_Jim> "
[5:06] <Sonny_Jim> You need to edit the file /home/pi/.emulationstation/es_systems.cfg.
[5:06] <[Saint]> Google? That newfangled Intermothingy?
[5:06] <[Saint]> ...git off 'ma lawn.
[5:06] <Sonny_Jim> Yeah, I was about to use Bing.....
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[5:07] <doctorpenguin> I read that guide... when you expand the filesystem es_systems.cfg is empty even when logged in as root
[5:07] <Sonny_Jim> Expand?
[5:08] <doctorpenguin> even previous to expanding it; it is empty
[5:08] <Sonny_Jim> I don't know what you mean by expand
[5:08] <doctorpenguin> Do I have a bad image of retropie
[5:08] <doctorpenguin> sudo su; raspi-config, expand-filesystem
[5:08] <Sonny_Jim> Shall I explain what that does?
[5:08] <[Saint]> Sonny_Jim: expanding the root image - entirely unralated to the situation, but, s/he doesn't know that, so they said it anyway.
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[5:09] <Sonny_Jim> In any case, I would just change it to use what is called a "Symbolic link"
[5:09] <Sonny_Jim> You might know these as "shortcuts" in Windows
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[5:10] <Sonny_Jim> To do so, first backup ~/RetroPie/roms/ to your USB drive
[5:10] <Sonny_Jim> Then remove the roms folder, the use ln to create a symlink that points to the USB drive
[5:10] <Sonny_Jim> so,
[5:11] <Sonny_Jim> Do you know how to mount and umount your USB drive?
[5:12] <[Saint]> /home/pi/.emulationstation/es_systems.cfg is _supposed_ to be empty.
[5:12] <[Saint]> at least on first run.
[5:12] <[Saint]> https://github.com/Aloshi/EmulationStation#configuring
[5:12] <Sonny_Jim> I think I scared him off
[5:12] <Sonny_Jim> With all that passive aggresiveness
[5:12] <[Saint]> Which is why they bothered to include "Writing an es_systems.cfg" I suppose.
[5:12] <doctorpenguin> nope
[5:13] <Sonny_Jim> Ah you're back
[5:13] <doctorpenguin> just went to get more coffee; coffee ++
[5:13] <doctorpenguin> I do programming but, not shell scripting on linux or commands. I never really have had to.
[5:14] <Sonny_Jim> Completely ignore what I just said, run retropie so it sets up the configuration file and change the rom dir location
[5:14] <Sonny_Jim> None of this involves shell scripting
[5:14] <doctorpenguin> can I use the ln thing?
[5:14] <Sonny_Jim> Completely ignore that
[5:14] <Sonny_Jim> Just modify the rom dir in the configuration file
[5:15] <doctorpenguin> where @?
[5:15] <Sonny_Jim> Ok, so you said that the configuration file was empty, right?
[5:15] <doctorpenguin> yep
[5:15] <Sonny_Jim> So, this is because you need to run es-station once to make it generate that file
[5:15] <Sonny_Jim> So do that
[5:16] <doctorpenguin> run it and then reboot?
[5:16] <Sonny_Jim> No
[5:16] <Sonny_Jim> Run it then quit
[5:16] <doctorpenguin> k
[5:16] <Sonny_Jim> This is Linux, we don't reboot
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[5:16] <[Saint]> ...Unless its Ubuntu.
[5:17] <[Saint]> Where it'll ask to, frequently.
[5:17] * Sonny_Jim does hand wavey things
[5:17] <[Saint]> ;)
[5:17] <Sonny_Jim> Actually, why *does* ubuntu ask to be rebooted all the time, is it so people feel like they are using Windows?
[5:18] <Sonny_Jim> Or are they changing init.d scripts on a daly basis
[5:18] <[Saint]> Its just cleaner.
[5:18] <doctorpenguin> mmk
[5:18] <[Saint]> Its /technically/ possible to clean up without a reboot, but its easier not to.
[5:18] <Sonny_Jim> What would need cleaning up?
[5:18] <doctorpenguin> just cd'd into /pi./emulationstation and the es_systems.cfg does not exist
[5:18] <doctorpenguin> after quiting the interface to a terminal
[5:19] <Sonny_Jim> Did you run es-station?
[5:19] <Sonny_Jim> (or whatever the command line is to run emulation station)
[5:20] <doctorpenguin> yep
[5:20] <Sonny_Jim> So you got the bit where it asks you to setup the controller?
[5:20] <doctorpenguin> yep
[5:21] <Sonny_Jim> And you completed that?
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[5:21] <doctorpenguin> no, sec I will do it
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[5:22] <[Saint]> This could quite easily be solved by following the directions as written and not having one of us relay them to you.
[5:22] <[Saint]> all we're doing is reading from the instructions given.
[5:22] <Sonny_Jim> Oh pssch and posch
[5:22] <Sonny_Jim> This way I feel useful
[5:23] <[Saint]> :)
[5:23] <Sonny_Jim> Actually, now you remind me, this is kinda like when I used to work tech support
[5:23] <Sonny_Jim> I'd just read something off a screen
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[5:28] <doctorpenguin> Its obviously not that easy. There are little to not helpful guides compared to the one you gave me. Search: Retropie faq, retropie how to change the roms directory or any of the following
[5:29] <doctorpenguin> you will get little to nill or guides that just assume knowledge about it
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[5:29] <[Saint]> Generally speaking, consulting the projects own documentation (as I did) is a great idea.
[5:29] <doctorpenguin> If I could find it
[5:29] <doctorpenguin> I would
[5:29] <[Saint]> But, granted, this wasn't obvious.
[5:29] <doctorpenguin> Its not out there like pydocs or the java classlist
[5:29] <Sonny_Jim> *cough*
[5:29] <Sonny_Jim> http://lmgtfy.com/?q=retropie+change+rom+directory
[5:30] <Sonny_Jim> I did as you asked, first hit
[5:30] <[Saint]> "emulationstation documentation" also brings up the project, and in turn, its readme. But, again, not obvious - I'm aware.
[5:31] <[Saint]> Relevant search terms for <your_favorite_project> is a bit of a black art sometimes.
[5:31] <Sonny_Jim> "you will get little to nill or guides that just assume knowledge about it" <--- Welcome to Linux!
[5:32] <[Saint]> ~90% of all FOSS projects, really.
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[5:34] <doctorpenguin> Actually I have worked with wine, python, java, and css and they all have great almost first search docs and faqs
[5:34] <doctorpenguin> that spell out everything
[5:34] <Sonny_Jim> I hate python so much
[5:34] <Sonny_Jim> Who thought whitespace should be interpreted deserves, I dunno, bad things happen to them
[5:35] <doctorpenguin> Its way better than a mess of brackets that remind me of doss like programs
[5:36] <Sonny_Jim> Brackets remind you of DOS?
[5:37] <doctorpenguin> some programs that I have seen on the web yes
[5:38] <Sonny_Jim> I don't remember ever seeing any brackets in my DOS days, just curious why you make that association
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[5:48] <Twist-> Sonny_Jim: here you go. http://www.pythonb.org/
[5:48] <Sonny_Jim> Why would I want to look at that?
[5:50] <Twist-> It addresses your complaint about python.
[5:50] <Sonny_Jim> Oh
[5:50] * Sonny_Jim does more hand wavey things
[5:50] <Sonny_Jim> If it doesn't agree with me, I don't want to read it
[5:51] <Twist-> It's also hilarious.
[5:52] <[Saint]> There's some irony.
[5:52] <[Saint]> Ever since Google "blessed" my ISP as qualifying for HQ immediate streaming, YouTube has run like a bag of crap.
[5:53] <[Saint]> The buffering happened so quickly it was basically transparent to me anyway.
[5:53] <Twist-> [Saint]: are you using your ISP's DNS?
[5:53] <[Saint]> Yes. I can't not.
[5:53] <[Saint]> (tricky reasons for this that are boring)
[5:54] <Twist-> That's a frequent source of poor performance with content distribution networks.. using some DNS on the other side of the continent.
[5:54] <[Saint]> My ISP's DNS servers beat the piss out of Googles.
[5:54] <[Saint]> By many orders of magnitude.
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[5:55] <Twist-> Yep. I just thought I'd explain the rationale for my comment.
[5:55] * [Saint] nods
[5:56] <[Saint]> Average w/ google's 8.8.8.8 server, 62ms
[5:56] <[Saint]> Average w/ ISP's, 11ms
[5:57] <Sonny_Jim> How many DNS request do you make?
[5:57] <Twist-> Sonny_Jim: I dunno.. probably in the mid thousands per hour if I'm using the web.
[5:58] <Twist-> But response time isn't the issue I mentioned.
[5:59] <[Saint]> Everything I access regularly will be sitting in the local DNS cache anyway, I would assume.
[6:00] <[Saint]> I suspect I don't have to hit outside that cache terribly often.
[6:00] <Twist-> DNS servers can give different responses for the same address based on their geographical location.. so you can wind up with suboptimal sources for streaming video or other data served from CDNs
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[6:17] <Twist-> rikkib: heh.. comedy. I switched the no name USB charger out for one that came with a high end bluetooth headset, and the Pi's been stable for 36 hours now.
[6:18] <rikkib> great
[6:19] <Twist-> except for the time lost trying to eliminate writes to the SD card. :D
[6:23] <rikkib> That is good knowledge
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[6:24] <Twist-> Yeah, I had no idea the watchdog timer was there. That's a wonderful feature.
[6:24] <Twist-> Heh.. were there further reports about that mysterious Raspberry Pi model B+?
[6:25] <Twist-> I did a little digging.. it exists.
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[6:26] <Twist-> I couldn't get a release date though.
[6:28] <Sonny_Jim> Looks to be the same barring the microSD and 2 extra USB ports
[6:28] <Twist-> and the removal of the composite video port
[6:28] <[Saint]> "[MagPi] The Raspberry Pi branding pays homage to the BBC Microcomputer Model A and Model B. Are there plans for a Raspberry Pi Model B+ or Master?
[6:28] <[Saint]> [Pete] We have doubled the RAM on the Model B to 512MB so that is the equivalent of the BBC Micro Model B+! The Raspberry Pi Foundation does not have the same mandate as a commercial business. We don’t need to release new versions or new products every quarter to please share holders. We do not want to disenfranchise early adopters of the Raspberry Pi. We may revisit it again in a couple of years as technology changes, but not yet. The Pi would
[6:28] <[Saint]> not be as successful as it is were it not for the community. We want the community to continue to grow with the current hardware."
[6:29] <Twist-> the ram is on top of the CPU this time, so I can't tell from those pictures if it's the same CPU
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[6:30] <Twist-> saint: you might have missed this one.. someone showed up in here a couple days ago with a b+
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[6:31] <Twist-> saint: you might have missed this one.. someone showed up in here a couple days ago with a b+
[6:32] <Sonny_Jim> Yeah, the B+ they talk about there is not what has surfaced
[6:32] <Sonny_Jim> Alledgedly it was sent out by mistake
[6:32] <Sonny_Jim> http://www.zlham.geek.nz/images/news/rpi-b-plus.jpg
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[6:33] <[Saint]> The B+ was named so because it was the successor to the Model B
[6:34] <[Saint]> Its the 512MB model B.
[6:34] <[Saint]> That box appears to be some point where they were experimenting with the name.
[6:34] <[Saint]> Likely not intended to hit the public?
[6:34] <Twist-> They're apparently in stock at multiple microcenters. Just embargoed.
[6:35] <Sonny_Jim> Sigh
[6:35] <Sonny_Jim> Have a look at the image again
[6:35] <Sonny_Jim> And notice the differences
[6:35] <[Saint]> Now it seems there's an *actual* B+, this won't make things confusing at all... ;)
[6:36] <Twist-> http://i.imgur.com/fjqU5KC.jpg
[6:36] <Twist-> http://i.imgur.com/wo5gOe0.jpg
[6:36] <Twist-> original image links
[6:36] <[Saint]> I really hope there's not actually going to be no VGA out.
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[6:37] <Twist-> is there VGA out now?
[6:38] <[Saint]> Bah. RCA.
[6:38] <Sonny_Jim> No no no, don't be silly
[6:38] <Sonny_Jim> VGA is deader than striped jumpers
[6:39] <Sonny_Jim> And no RCA either
[6:39] <Twist-> the RCA port was nice for mobile applications
[6:39] <rikkib> I posted on the e14 forums and the post got moderated away
[6:39] <[Saint]> Hahaha.
[6:39] <Twist-> the pi pairs well with cheap LCD TVs
[6:40] <[Saint]> Twist-: and the metric buttload of cheap composite backing panel LCDs out there.
[6:40] <Sonny_Jim> Has anyone checked to see if any of the other chips have changed?
[6:40] * [Saint] wants to believe so hard that this isn;t a move to force people into that terrible HD display
[6:40] <Twist-> Anyhoo, I know a dude through the local hackspace who works at microcenter. I went up there yesterday to check, and he confirmed they're in the back.
[6:40] <rikkib> I also got private messaged by ops when I repeated next morning
[6:40] <Twist-> I guess they're a little more on the ball here than in VA.
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[6:41] <[Saint]> I should bloody well hope there's some more horsepower hiding somewhere.
[6:41] <[Saint]> Else the + part is left to the imagination.
[6:41] <rikkib> Think it is called looking after your mates
[6:42] <rikkib> I doubt it
[6:42] <rikkib> no more horse power
[6:42] <[Saint]> Model B+ 2 ports you didn't ask for, -RCA, and, same 'old amount of RAM.
[6:42] <rikkib> no more ram
[6:42] <Twist-> I'd also hope the Pi can pull more than 500ma through the power port this time
[6:42] <Twist-> else two extra USB ports is silly
[6:42] <[Saint]> It'd HAVE to, surely?
[6:42] <[Saint]> Otherwise they're making the problem worse.
[6:42] <[Saint]> Its bad enough with 2 ports.
[6:43] <rikkib> 4 port usb hubs are standard fair
[6:43] <rikkib> the smsc chip always had 4
[6:43] <Twist-> Yeah, I'm sure it was just a matter of breaking out more pins on the existing chip
[6:44] <rikkib> it just looks like board design mainly
[6:44] <Twist-> also, sane mounting holes.
[6:44] <rikkib> learned the lesson of having connectors on more than two sides
[6:44] <[Saint]> I'm a bit miffed at no RCA.
[6:44] <rikkib> little call for rgb
[6:44] <[Saint]> I really hope that's not an actual thing.
[6:44] <Twist-> well, what's the display ribbon port on the Pi for?
[6:45] <Twist-> connector, rather
[6:45] <[Saint]> FOr now? Absolutely nothing.
[6:45] <[Saint]> Not a bean.
[6:45] <Twist-> It's got to be attached to something on the cpu
[6:45] <rikkib> The actual life span of the rpi only lasted a few months until things like the cubie bnoard came out
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[6:46] <Twist-> the Pi has the same major advantage going for it that the arduino does. critical mass in the user community.
[6:46] <rikkib> I doubt I will buy another
[6:46] <rikkib> Not unless I can find a commercial use for them
[6:47] <Twist-> I like them for their original purpose.. as an educational toy.
[6:47] <Sonny_Jim> OOh I dunno about that
[6:47] <[Saint]> If that really is the next incarnation of the hardware as we'll receive it, I think you're quite right.
[6:47] <Sonny_Jim> There's plenty of Arduino users
[6:47] <Sonny_Jim> The DSI connector is so far unused as the protocol is propriotry (spelling!)
[6:48] <Sonny_Jim> N900 screens could be connected up, but no docs are open source to explain how to do it
[6:48] <rikkib> The important thing is a resurgence in the form of the maker communities that have srunp up.
[6:48] <Sonny_Jim> Also you need to know what to tell the Pi GPU to use it
[6:48] <rikkib> sprung
[6:48] * [Saint] wants to believe that there will in fact be RCA out.
[6:49] <[Saint]> It doesn't seem to fit the model of developing markets excluding it.
[6:49] <[Saint]> RCA is the true "Just Works" display port.
[6:49] <rikkib> j7 is labeled A/V so maybe
[6:49] <rikkib> duel use
[6:49] <rikkib> vid and mono audio
[6:49] <rikkib> maybe
[6:49] <rikkib> one can only guess
[6:50] <Twist-> The other interesting thing is that it was cheaper than the existing model b
[6:50] <[Saint]> It should be. They stole your RCA port and replaced it with a pair of USB ports. ;P
[6:51] <rikkib> based on what the guy said
[6:51] <Twist-> rikkib: and based on my aforementioned microcenter guy
[6:51] <rikkib> ahhh
[6:51] <Twist-> you
[6:52] <Twist-> you'll forgive me if I neglect to mention which microcenter I was at.
[6:52] <rikkib> no idea of cost
[6:53] <[Saint]> Is it just me, or are there no network status LEDs?
[6:53] <rikkib> I intend to move to a cubie board/rpi mix
[6:53] <rikkib> or similar
[6:54] * [Saint] spots a chance
[6:54] <[Saint]> Snowball!
[6:54] <[Saint]> </that is all>
[6:54] <Twist-> [Saint]: One would hope they switched to an ethernet port with LEDs in.
[6:54] <[Saint]> Uuuuugh,
[6:54] * rikkib pickes up the snowball and throws it at saint
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[6:54] <[Saint]> Twist-: I was rather hoping not. :-/
[6:55] <Twist-> I'd greatly prefer that
[6:55] <[Saint]> Not that the LED strip is that useful without light pipes.
[6:55] <Twist-> yep. for that reason.
[6:55] <rikkib> leds on board the magnetics
[6:55] <rikkib> one would hope
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[6:55] <Twist-> I can't be arsed to add light pipes to my pi cases.
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[6:56] <[Saint]> Some fine chap already did that for me.
[6:56] <Twist-> I 3d print mine, so it'd be a recurring annoyance.
[6:56] <[Saint]> The problem I see here is its not going to be immediately obvious that all your ducks are quacking.
[6:56] <rikkib> you have a printer?
[6:56] <[Saint]> I like to look at the LED panel after setup, especially headless.
[6:56] <Twist-> there are several at the local hackspace
[6:57] <Twist-> I guess I could whip up a variant of my favorite case with pipes, and laser some acrylic wedges
[6:57] <Twist-> again, annoying.
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[6:59] <rikkib> I want to 3D print a wind vane
[6:59] <rikkib> all the parts accept the ball bearings
[7:00] <rikkib> I find the pic
[7:01] <Twist-> rikkib: http://hackerspaces.org/wiki/New_Zealand
[7:01] <Twist-> rikkib: is there anything local on that list for you?
[7:02] <rikkib> Local does not apply really
[7:02] <Twist-> rikkib: you have no body? fastinating.
[7:02] <rikkib> I am 60 minutes drive from Auckland the biggest city
[7:02] <Twist-> er
[7:02] <Twist-> what the hell
[7:02] <Twist-> fascinating.
[7:02] <Twist-> stoopid fingers.
[7:03] <rikkib> I also know Tim Carr the maker of the first 3D printer
[7:04] <rikkib> He has a warehouse of them but I do not know to much about them as yet
[7:04] <rikkib> So having difficulty envisioning what they are capable of
[7:05] <Twist-> They're getting reasonably easy to build or buy, but they're still not ready for widespread consumer use.
[7:05] <rikkib> 1600 nzd
[7:05] <[Saint]> ~
[7:05] <[Saint]> I would say there's a few viable options for consumer use
[7:05] <rikkib> and tim will build it with me
[7:05] <[Saint]> They're expensive as allmighty Hell, but, they exist.
[7:06] <Twist-> Takes a lot of fiddling and a deep understanding of the available settings to get a good print.
[7:06] <Twist-> basic FDM printers are down around $300USD to build and can be had for $500 completely constructed.
[7:07] <rikkib> http://www.zlham.geek.nz/images/news/vane1.jpg
[7:08] <Twist-> slow server is slow
[7:08] <Twist-> is this your home internet connection?
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[7:08] <rikkib> http://www.zlham.geek.nz/images/news/vane2.jpg
[7:08] <rikkib> home adsl
[7:08] <Twist-> might be worth scaling those images down
[7:09] <rikkib> 1mbps in 100kbps out
[7:09] <rikkib> They are not really for release
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[7:11] <rikkib> taken to show the man with the printers
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[7:11] <rikkib> mindkits.co.nz
[7:12] <rikkib> and outlet for me
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[7:15] <Twist-> I don't know if FDM printing is really going to be the first mainstream solution.. it's kind of a pain in the ass.
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[9:23] <Twist-> doobiedoobiedoo...
[9:23] <Twist-> I really need to stop deleting my local raspbian images. downloading is getting annoying.
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[9:36] <[Saint]> Twist-: how often are you nuking installs? o_O
[9:40] <Twist-> [Saint]: the root problem is limited space on my laptop's SSD. I don't have room for OS images and keep deleting the raspbian image when space gets tight.
[9:40] <Twist-> probably ought to throw that on one of the SD cards on my keyring. heh.
[9:40] <[Saint]> Twist-: pro tip - create a partition on the sdcard to store the image it was based off
[9:41] <lost_soul> I went through about five openelec installs within a weeks time until I finally found a combination that didn't freeze (or lock up)
[9:41] <[Saint]> Smells like a crappy PSU.
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[9:41] <Twist-> [Saint]: that seems like it would cut my card capacity in half, and render dd unusable as a backup scheme.
[9:42] <lost_soul> [Saint]: I tried two psu's. I'm not saying that the power supply isn't to blame, just that I had no more I could test. Reverting to the legacy release of openelec has been stable for a couple days now.
[9:42] <Twist-> I guess I could dd to partitions instead of the root disk device
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[9:42] <[Saint]> In half? Jeebus man...its 2014 ;)
[9:42] <lost_soul> I even tried the PSU for my nexus 10
[9:42] <[Saint]> And, yes.
[9:43] <Twist-> hum.. that hadn't occured to me. can I crack off 4 partitions on a single SD then just alter the files on the boot partition to switch between them?
[9:43] <[Saint]> Are you actually using half the stuff raspbian comes with?
[9:44] <Twist-> Of course not.
[9:44] <[Saint]> Time to look at a netinst perhaps.
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[9:44] <[Saint]> Or Arch.
[9:44] <[Saint]> If space is a concern, raspbian isn't your friend.
[9:45] <Twist-> it's not a concern on the SD cards.. just on my laptop
[9:45] <[Saint]> The arch image is about ¼ the size iirc.
[9:46] * Lupinedk is now known as lupinedk
[9:47] * [Saint] oats himself on the back for remembering how to type ¼
[9:47] <[Saint]> *pats, even
[9:48] <Twist-> Is covering oneself in oats a congratulatory gesture in your culture?
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[9:50] <[Saint]> ...yes.
[9:50] <Twist-> and to answer the earlier question, quite a lot. I have several Pis, and tend to use them to whip up little appliances when I need 'em.
[9:51] <[Saint]> I keep a couple of semi-configured images lying around.
[9:51] <Twist-> enough that I need to stop and give thought to better imaging solutions
[9:51] <[Saint]> They compress pretty well.
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[9:51] <[Saint]> As log as the root hasn't been expanded.
[9:51] <[Saint]> *long
[9:51] <Twist-> I started doing that a while back, but I don't have everything covered yet
[9:52] <Twist-> even if the root has been expanded they compress well
[9:52] <Twist-> the dd is the size of the card, but it's mostly empty space
[9:53] <Twist-> targeting a partition would save me tons of time though.
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[9:53] <[Saint]> The other thing I find myself doing is, at the least, keeping a separate $HOME partition.
[9:54] <[Saint]> Makes recovery/exporting trivial.
[9:54] <Twist-> I'm considering whipping up some sort of NFS root arrangement
[9:54] <Twist-> so I can boot the Pis off read only cards
[9:55] <Twist-> I never gave the raspbian net install much thought.. does it give you a minimal boot?
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[9:55] <[Saint]> Extremely so.
[9:56] <Twist-> I assumed it'd just blindly pull down the full raspbian default load during install
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[9:56] <[Saint]> Just base, sshd, and ntpd.
[9:56] <lost_soul> nice, will have to look in to that myself
[9:56] <lost_soul> thanks
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[9:56] <[Saint]> Alternatively, Arch.
[9:56] <[Saint]> Which really isn't scary at all.
[9:57] <Twist-> are we talking "noobs lite" here?
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[9:57] <lost_soul> the only thing I worry about with arch is breakage.. I've heard many people talking about their arch systems getting borked if they missed a few updates
[9:57] <Twist-> I'm not actually seeing a raspbian lite install at http://www.raspberrypi.org/downloads/
[9:58] <lost_soul> though that was quite some time ago, so perhaps the problem has been resolved
[9:58] <[Saint]> https://github.com/debian-pi/raspbian-ua-netinst
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[10:00] <[Saint]> Before anyone asks: unattended
[10:01] <Twist-> You'd be correct to shun me if I asked that.
[10:01] <[Saint]> (is what the ua in the name is for, I felt that was maybe coming...perhaps I'm wrong, better safe )
[10:01] <Twist-> It's covered in the first line of the readme
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[10:01] <[Saint]> Ooooh. I like you.
[10:02] <lost_soul> second line on the page
[10:02] <lost_soul> quite a few places actually
[10:02] <lost_soul> :p
[10:02] <Twist-> Heh.. why isn't this mentiioned on the official rpi DL page?
[10:02] <[Saint]> I honestly have no idea.
[10:03] <Twist-> heh.. "fits in 512MB SD card"
[10:03] <Twist-> great. where the hell do I buy one of those?
[10:03] <[Saint]> 2002
[10:03] <Twist-> microcenter isn't even carrying 4gb cards anymore.
[10:03] <[Saint]> I have a 16MB one somewhere.
[10:03] <lost_soul> I'm sure you can still buy them on ebay.. likely in bulk
[10:04] <Twist-> I've got some small ones left over from the pocket PC days
[10:04] * [Saint] has a Palm graveyard
[10:04] <lost_soul> my ppc used a minisd if memory serves
[10:04] <Twist-> I used to do some palm and pocket pc dev
[10:05] <lost_soul> was a very abnormal size.. I had never seen one before then
[10:05] <Twist-> It's going to be fun watching the second coming of APIs that don't draw a distinction between ram and storage
[10:05] <[Saint]> Remember when they were called TransFlash?
[10:05] <[Saint]> ...those were the days.
[10:06] <lost_soul> at one point having storage that small was someones wet dream as they were forced to deal with 8" floppies
[10:07] <lost_soul> :p
[10:07] <Twist-> hum
[10:07] <Twist-> I bet I'm going to have to think about drivers with this net install
[10:07] <lost_soul> it's almost amazing how much things have progressed in such a limited time
[10:07] * Benguin[ZzZ] is now known as Benguin
[10:07] <Twist-> http://imgs.xkcd.com/comics/timeghost.png
[10:07] <[Saint]> Must. Not. Make. Reference. To. Phallus.
[10:07] <lost_soul> Twist-: you shouldn't need to, it was built for the pi.. except maybe usb device drivers for stuff you add
[10:08] <Twist-> lost_soul: yeah, specifically my wifi nubbin.
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[10:09] <lost_soul> you should be able to pull the driver off the current raspbian, no?
[10:09] <lost_soul> since you just downloaded a new image
[10:10] <Twist-> possibly. I'm pretty bad with linux.
[10:10] <[Saint]> Is it one of those TP-Link V2 Nano N bugger's?
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[10:11] <[Saint]> I have about 30 of them, and I threw away the boxes en masse.
[10:11] <[Saint]> Sillynme didn't know that the box is the ONLY place that specifies the version number.
[10:12] <[Saint]> *silly me
[10:12] <Twist-> it's a tenda something or other.. works out of the box with rapsbian
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[10:13] <[Saint]> Thankfully nowadays newer kernels cater for the V1 natively, and if it doesn't just work I know its a V2 and what packages to pull.
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[10:19] <Twist-> hum. this does not seem to have resulted in a bootable sd card
[10:21] <Twist-> ..because I fail at reading.
[10:22] <lost_soul> well, you caught the unattended bit.. so you aren't as bad as some others
[10:23] <Twist-> I was expecting the xz file to be a raw image.
[10:23] <Twist-> it's not.
[10:23] <lost_soul> it's compressed
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[10:24] <Twist-> yeah. but I'm running OS X, and don't want to deal with another random archive format right now.
[10:25] <lost_soul> you don't have tar on the system?
[10:25] <Twist-> xz isn't tar
[10:26] <lost_soul> it will work for it
[10:26] <lost_soul> try tar xpvf
[10:26] <lost_soul> add filename, of course
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[10:26] <lost_soul> http://stackoverflow.com/questions/12298368/how-to-unzip-tar-xz-files
[10:27] <lost_soul> mac's might be a bit different.. I dunno.. but that site gives a couple variations
[10:27] <lost_soul> I've extracted .xz with tar so I know it works on linux systems
[10:27] <Twist-> sure, because the xz utils/libs are there
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[10:29] <Twist-> hum.. there's some mention of xz in the man page.
[10:29] * Twist- fiddles
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[10:38] <Twist-> still fails. bored now.
[10:39] * Twist- returns to raspbian.
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[10:43] <Twist-> ah, there we go.
[10:45] <lost_soul> that was pretty quick, my raspbian install took considerably longer
[10:45] <lost_soul> not using class 10 though
[10:46] <Twist-> where "there we go" == "the net install is booting"
[10:46] <Twist-> it's not done
[10:46] <lost_soul> oh, you had said you were returning to raspbian.. so I figured you were installing that
[10:47] <Twist-> I did both. I've still got a raspbian image copying to another SD card.
[10:47] <Twist-> Then I was irritated by admitting defeat, and had another run at the net install
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[10:48] <Twist-> It's a race.
[10:48] <lost_soul> ah
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[10:59] <Twist-> This seems like a net loss, discounting download time
[10:59] <Twist-> it's a CPU intensive process
[10:59] <Twist-> on a Pi
[10:59] <Twist-> heh
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[11:04] <lost_soul> ah
[11:04] <lost_soul> so not worth it?
[11:05] <Twist-> depends on your goal, I suppose. initial boot/dl/config is a hell of a lot slower in elapsed time than just copying the full raspbian and booting that
[11:06] <Twist-> thoguh this being an original model B might have something to do with that too.
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[11:06] <Twist-> (256 meg ram)
[11:06] <lost_soul> I thought the model a's had the 256mb and all model b's had 512?
[11:08] <Twist-> Nope. The original B had 256. They gave it a bump without changing the model name.
[11:08] <lost_soul> ah, live and learn
[11:09] <Twist-> the 512MB versions have mounting holes
[11:09] <mpmc> I'm sure some of the 256 B's do too.
[11:09] <lost_soul> are you going to buy the new model with 4 usb's?
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[11:10] <Twist-> if they fixed the power problems, perhaps
[11:10] <mpmc> 4 usbs? O.O
[11:10] <mpmc> where did you hear this?
[11:11] <lost_soul> mpmc: someone was talking about it in here yesterday
[11:11] <mpmc> Nothing on the Pi site.
[11:11] <lost_soul> He made it sound like he already had one.. so I'm assuming some have been shipped already
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[11:12] <Twist-> mpmc: There's no official word, but multiple microcenters have these things in stock already. http://i.imgur.com/wo5gOe0.jpg
[11:13] <lost_soul> they just call it a B+
[11:13] <mpmc> Twist-: What I want to know is does the ethernet still run over usb!
[11:13] <rikkib> the noob was supplied with a B+ by mistake
[11:13] <lost_soul> lame
[11:13] <Twist-> mpmc: almost certainly
[11:14] <mpmc> maybe I'm blind but I don't see no S-video out.
[11:14] <rikkib> although a mythical beast I believe when I see pics
[11:14] <lost_soul> mpmc: their wasn't s-video before.. composite and hdmi
[11:14] <mpmc> lost_soul: Thats the one :p
[11:15] <mpmc> I get those mixed up sometimes lol
[11:15] <lost_soul> yea, I don't see composite either
[11:15] <Twist-> one sharp-eyed guy noticed that "A/V" is stenciled on the board next to the headphone jack
[11:15] <lost_soul> has more gpio pins too
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[11:16] <lost_soul> wonder what the display portion on the left is
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[11:17] <lost_soul> possibly for LED displays or something
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[11:19] <hedmon> people, I have a burned HP DV5, some idea what to do?
[11:19] <hedmon> maybe use it in someway with the rpi?
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[11:20] <lost_soul> :\ how is it burned
[11:21] <lost_soul> did you use it as firewood to make s'mores?
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[11:25] <rikkib> Bed time in NZ
[11:25] <ShorTie> nite nite
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[14:02] <MY123> Shiftplusone : Is the Raspberry Pi Model B+ a July fool ?
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[14:10] <[Saint]> MY123: sadly, it appears to be a real thing.
[14:10] <[Saint]> Don't get too excited, though.
[14:11] <[Saint]> Check the logs for image links.
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[14:13] <mgottschlag> does it use the same CPU?
[14:13] <mgottschlag> or is there something else hidden below the RAM?
[14:13] <[Saint]> I sincerely doubt they changed the package at all.
[14:14] <[Saint]> Only addition that's immediately apparent is +2 USB slots
[14:14] <mgottschlag> yeah, and higher power efficiency due to the switching voltage regulator
[14:14] <[Saint]> (Which I hope don't have the same limits the current pi has.)
[14:14] <mgottschlag> but doesn't really sound exciting
[14:15] <[Saint]> And they seem to have removed RCA out.
[14:15] <[Saint]> :-\
[14:15] <shiftplusone> Just wait until all the details are out.
[14:16] <[Saint]> Heh. Its just going to get worse in coming days. ;)
[14:16] <[Saint]> Bring on the speculation!
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[14:39] <MY123> Saint: The RCA output is still here. It is displayed now by the headphone jack, like cameras.
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[14:40] <MY123> mgottschlag: A good addition is that the SMI is now exposed on Pis.
[14:45] <Satsuoni> Can anyone tell me why Pi starts blinking green LED when I try to write anything to mailbox #3? XD Sorry about formulation
[14:46] <Sonny_Jim> Mailbox #3?
[14:46] <Satsuoni> Yes. Vchiq one
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[14:56] <Sonny_Jim> Oh I see, so it's one of those AV jacks out the B+, that's not so bad. I did wonder why they would remove that feature
[14:56] <Sonny_Jim> Is it definitely using a microSD slot though?
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[15:09] <u-ou> hmm. should I wait for the B+ or just get a B?
[15:09] <u-ou> I'll probably have to wait a while so, I guess B.
[15:10] <MY123> u-ou: The model B+ is apparently in manufacturing. There should be 2-3 weeks normally.
[15:12] <Sonny_Jim> I'd probably wait for a B+, in the hope that the power section is a little better designed
[15:12] <u-ou> mmmm
[15:12] <u-ou> wonder how quickly it will sell out
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[15:13] <Sonny_Jim> They've not even announced it yet and it's not radically different
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[15:13] <Sonny_Jim> I can't see many existing Pi owners rushing to 'upgrade', simply as it really isn't much of an upgrade (from what can be deduced from two pictures)
[15:13] <MY123> Sonny_Jim: It has a switching regulator. It is announced at Element14 community.
[15:13] <Sonny_Jim> Oh ok, got a link?
[15:14] <u-ou> so what's wrong with the current power section? (no pun intended)
[15:14] <MY123> https://www.google.tn/url?sa=t&source=web&rct=j&ei=RWzCU_-EE-y20QX7xoGACA&url=http://www.element14.com/community/thread/36453&cd=3&ved=0CCcQFjAC&usg=AFQjCNG2AtyVsayAzobz8ziD3Od_FXoikA&sig2=l_M9iwYpQp67TPBEHj9Y8g : Sonny_Jim
[15:14] <Sonny_Jim> Nothing drastically wrong with it, just that it could probably be a bit better ;-)
[15:15] <Sonny_Jim> For one, it uses a linear regulator which isn't the most efficient
[15:15] <Sonny_Jim> http://www.element14.com/community/thread/36453&
[15:15] <Sonny_Jim> Nope
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[15:16] <Sonny_Jim> "You must be registered with an element14 username before continuing"
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[15:16] <u-ou> ok
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[15:16] <MY123> Sonny_Jim: You should have bought a Pi before with Element14 before accessing to that.
[15:16] <Sonny_Jim> "Access to this place or content is restricted. If you think this is a mistake, please contact your administrator or the person who directed you here. "
[15:17] <MY123> Change the useragent to google .
[15:17] <MY123> Sonny_Jim: I got it displaying.
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[15:18] <Sonny_Jim> Change my user agent?
[15:18] <Sonny_Jim> Could you copy the text and paste it somewhere please?
[15:18] <MY123> Ok. Will do it in the next minutes.
[15:19] <shiftplusone> agh
[15:19] <shiftplusone> No keeping something secret on IRC, is there?
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[15:21] <Sonny_Jim> Not really...
[15:21] <Sonny_Jim> Why does it need to a secret, it's hardly missle launch codes, it's in production so the spec isn't going to change....
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[15:23] <[Saint]> There's reason to believe its a bit past that stage, if the earlier conversation was followed.
[15:23] <[Saint]> Assuming "random Internet guy" wouldn't lie...and, why would s/he, right? ;)
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[15:25] <[Saint]> And, no, as long as your product is even vaguely popular, and there are humans involved, your secrets aren't going to stay that way.
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[15:25] <[Saint]> I can think of very few product launches where we didn't already know it was coming, and a good smack of details.
[15:25] <[Saint]> Can you?
[15:26] <[Saint]> We do it to other products.
[15:26] <shiftplusone> indeed
[15:27] <MY123> shiftplusone: Not secret. Everyone who modifies the user-agent of the browser to Google is able to do that.
[15:27] <[Saint]> some mobile browsers will even (questionably) do that by default.
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[15:43] <MY123> Sonny_Jim: A desc of the info sent.
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[15:45] <MY123> shiftplusone: Can I publish publicly the leaked info ? (User-agent mods)
[15:45] <shiftplusone> I would rather you didn't, but I can't stop you.
[15:46] <[Saint]> I guess there'll likely be some form of statement soon.
[15:46] <MY123> No , I did not but I published the key for accessing info so the others can do it, shiftplusone .
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[15:52] <MY123> Sonny_Jim: Why are you connecting to IRC with a Raspberry Pi?
[15:53] <[Saint]> Why not?
[15:53] <[Saint]> IRC is hardly resource intensive.
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[15:54] <MY123> [Saint]: Agree. It works quite well on 56k.
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[15:55] <[Saint]> 56k is overkill for IRC.
[15:55] <[Saint]> unless you're hosting a node.
[15:56] <MY123> [Saint] If there is a flooder, no.
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[15:57] <[Saint]> Thankfully, I don't live on any servers where flooding is a real risk.
[15:58] <MY123> Because some times, I send a base64 encoded modded Ubuntu iso image(700MB).
[15:58] <[Saint]> If you do that on IRC, I'm pretty sure that qualifies you as an asshat.
[15:59] <[Saint]> That kinda carry on spoils it for everyone.
[15:59] <MY123> [Saint]: I use that to transfer my data if the firewall doesn't permit that.
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[16:03] <MY123> [Saint]: Doing that in a private channel created for that, of course.
[16:04] <[Saint]> Ah. If its your server. Go nuts.
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[16:08] <Sonny_Jim> Did someone just ask me why I'm using a Raspberry Pi, in the #raspberrypi channel?
[16:08] <MY123> Sonny_Jim: Yes, me.
[16:09] <Sonny_Jim> I see. I'm not sure how to answer that....
[16:10] <MY123> Sonny_Jim: What IRC client do you use ? I use IRCCloud.
[16:10] <Sonny_Jim> irssi ftw
[16:10] <[Saint]> quassel
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[16:30] <steve_rox> http://liliputing.com/2014/07/is-a-raspberry-pi-model-b-with-4-usb-ports-on-the-way.html
[16:31] <steve_rox> this just popped into my view incase no ones seen
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[16:32] <Sonny_Jim> Yeah it's mostly the same apart from the ports and a slight change in the form factor
[16:32] <Sonny_Jim> Not really much to see
[16:33] <steve_rox> might be of interest
[16:33] <steve_rox> wonder if the usb power issue is solved in it when it causes reboot after too much power draw
[16:33] <Sonny_Jim> The rumour is that a B+ was sent out by mistake by element14, user pops up on IRC saying "Why are my pinouts different?"
[16:33] <Sonny_Jim> It has a switching regulator
[16:34] <steve_rox> i see
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[16:34] <steve_rox> any tactical advantages to it apart from more usb?
[16:34] <Sonny_Jim> Like I said, not really
[16:34] <Sonny_Jim> The composite out is now on a 3.5mm jack rather than RCA
[16:34] <steve_rox> thought i noticed sommat missing , no composite?
[16:34] <steve_rox> ahhhh
[16:35] <Sonny_Jim> I *think* it's using microSD but I haven't seen that confirmed
[16:35] <Sonny_Jim> You've seen the board pictures, right?
[16:35] <steve_rox> theres also more gpio pins i think?
[16:35] <MY123> steve_rox: More GPIO. The RCA is now on a different connector. MicroSD is confirmed.
[16:35] <Sonny_Jim> http://www.zlham.geek.nz/images/news/rpi-b-plus.jpg
[16:35] <Sonny_Jim> More GPIO?
[16:35] <Sonny_Jim> Oh yeah
[16:36] <MY123> Yes, the double, Sonny_Jim .
[16:36] <steve_rox> looks same ammount of pins vs that other mainbord they just did
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[16:36] <steve_rox> you know with the cpu on dmm moduel
[16:36] <steve_rox> interesting pics thanks
[16:36] <MY123> It is the same. Still the BCM2835.
[16:37] <leio> I can't even spot the MicroSD slot over there
[16:37] <steve_rox> kinda annoying if it is micro since i dont have any
[16:37] <MY123> steve_rox: 100 percent chance of being micro.
[16:37] <leio> or any different RCA slot
[16:38] <Sonny_Jim> Yeah I felt the same, although it would be nice to have a slot that has decent connectors on it
[16:38] <Sonny_Jim> I ended up having to stuff bits of paper to get the contacts to connect properly
[16:38] <steve_rox> the composite port gone will be good save space
[16:38] <Sonny_Jim> Meh
[16:38] <Sonny_Jim> Means getting a specific cable, rather than just a random RCA cable
[16:38] <steve_rox> i just soldered wires directly to the composite points
[16:38] <[Saint]> save space...how, exactly?
[16:39] <steve_rox> in tight spaces it can obstruct my wires
[16:39] <[Saint]> doesn't change the fact that taller elements are still present on the board.
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[16:39] <Sonny_Jim> Yeah the USB ports are taller than the composite socket
[16:39] <Sonny_Jim> I've seen a Pi-in-a-Gameboy mod that had to remove them to fit
[16:40] <steve_rox> so i guessed they failed to keep this super secret ? :-)
[16:40] <MY123> Sonny_Jim: Another problem is having to change the cases.
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[16:40] <[Saint]> steve_rox: I'd say they did pretty good (though, now I think back on past discussions...its got me thinking hints were dropped)
[16:41] <[Saint]> Until they shipped out the wrong unit to a user, that is. ;)
[16:41] <Sonny_Jim> allegedly....
[16:41] <steve_rox> well it popped up on google news RSS on string "raspberry pi"
[16:41] <[Saint]> Well, yes.
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[16:41] <Sonny_Jim> Viral marketing is a strange beast
[16:41] <steve_rox> worked for minecraft
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[16:42] <[Saint]> You think they'd be actively moderating it if they /wanted/ this to happen?
[16:42] <Sonny_Jim> They are
[16:42] <Sonny_Jim> IRC is trickier to moderate though
[16:42] <leio> where's the microsd slot on those pictures?
[16:43] <Sonny_Jim> Also, no one cares about IRC nowadays :-p
[16:43] <steve_rox> and websites they dont comtrol
[16:43] <[Saint]> That's what I mean, they are actively moderating, which doesn't seem to sit with the intentional leak theory.
[16:43] * Sonny_Jim shrugs
[16:43] <Sonny_Jim> I just can't think of a situation where someone goes "I'll just pick up this box, which is completely different to the other 1,000 boxes I've been shipping, and send it out"
[16:43] <[Saint]> And were it intentional, I dare say we'd get better pics. ;)
[16:43] <leio> ah, prool on the back
[16:43] <leio> prolly*
[16:43] <steve_rox> eather way this B+ seems somewhat interesting
[16:44] <Sonny_Jim> I'm not going to rush out and buy one
[16:44] <Sonny_Jim> If I had power problems or really wanted microSD then maybe
[16:44] <steve_rox> so if thats a composite jack out wheres the sound jack
[16:44] <MY123> steve_rox : PM
[16:44] <Sonny_Jim> It's on the same connector
[16:44] <Sonny_Jim> Triple ring 3.5mm jack
[16:44] <steve_rox> so they have audio and video out on the same jack
[16:45] <steve_rox> i can see that being fun
[16:45] <Sonny_Jim> Oh plenty of devices do it already
[16:45] <leio> with a triple ring usually being for microphone
[16:45] <steve_rox> oh right
[16:45] <Sonny_Jim> http://www.cdlmicro.co.uk/4t3r-3.5mm-4-pole-ring-contact-stereo-jack-to-triple-phono-rca-tv-adapter.html
[16:45] <leio> but I think some Nokia N900 phone might have done it for composite out already
[16:45] <steve_rox> not sure if someones PM me or not but i dont know how to look at pm with this client hehe
[16:46] <[Saint]> or read logs, apparently. ;P
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[17:00] <gbaman> am trying to add a startup script to the Pi, am wanting it to run on its own without other stuff getting in the way, it waits 5 seconds and if gets no user input, continues. Problem currently is though it displays the info the user and at the same time other normal boot messages are showing in the middle
[17:00] <gbaman> is there a way to get it to run on its own?
[17:01] <MY123> gbaman: /etc/init.d/rcS
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[17:09] <gbaman> just what i was looking for MY123, thanks
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[19:11] <TheArtist_> Hi all! do we have anything for Xorg acceleration on pi or not yet?
[19:11] <shiftplusone> Didn't you ask that a little while earlier?
[19:11] <TheArtist_> well i have done some reading :P
[19:12] <TheArtist_> and i understood some things
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[19:12] <TheArtist_> like that Xorg depends heavilly on CPU
[19:12] <shiftplusone> fbturbo, that's it. Also look up accelerated xorg pi on elinux
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[19:12] <TheArtist_> Ok, any tips on enabling fbturbo on arch
[19:12] <TheArtist_> ?
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[19:14] <shiftplusone> try #archlinux-arm
[19:15] <shiftplusone> It should be in the repo
[19:15] <shiftplusone> if not, it's on AUR
[19:15] <TheArtist_> thnx!
[19:15] <shiftplusone> Don't expect magic.
[19:16] <TheArtist_> yep i know. I was just trying to understand why on archlinux midori does not have the same performance as on raspbian
[19:17] <shiftplusone> magic
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[19:18] <TheArtist_> well that magic i was trying to figure out!
[19:18] <shiftplusone> also look into the optimized memcpy routines
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[19:23] <MY123> shiftplusone: Is my project github.com/kika123/x11eglrpi useful ?
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[19:25] <shiftplusone> I'd expect that you're a better judge of that.
[19:25] <MY123> Because a lot of apps doesn't use OpenGL ES on X11.
[19:26] <MY123> I'm now waiting the time to make Gnome Shell working.
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[19:27] <shiftplusone> MY123, you're aware of this, right? http://www.raspberrypi.org/preview-the-upcoming-maynard-desktop/
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[19:28] <MY123> Yes.But Gnome 3 is so much more eye-candy.
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[19:29] <shiftplusone> Which is one of the reasons that Maynard is necessary. Eye-candy tends to be heavy on the resources.
[19:31] <MY123> If fully using the OpenGL ES2.0 on X11 then no which is my project. (X12 is better than Wayland in some ways)
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[19:32] <MY123> And I'll be running the apps and X11 server on the VPU.
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[19:33] <MY123> Neobenedict: The new Pi has already being ship̂ped.
[19:34] <Neobenedict> the model b+?
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[19:34] <MY123> Neobenedict: Yes. They were shipped by mistake.
[19:35] <MY123> By Farnell
[19:35] <Neobenedict> ah, one batch though
[19:35] <gbaman> it was a mistaken shipment :)
[19:35] <shiftplusone> Nope
[19:35] <shiftplusone> A store that wasn't supposed to sell them accidentally sold one.
[19:35] <gbaman> as in, not meant to be shipped to customers yet I am assuming
[19:36] <shiftplusone> (Wouldn't want to be the guy who sold it)
[19:36] <gbaman> haha
[19:37] <MY123> gbaman: It is near launch, apparently, with the LCD screen.
[19:37] <gbaman> to my knowledge, the LCD isn't due till closer the end of the year :(
[19:38] <Sonny_Jim> It's possible to use a DS Lite touchscreen + LCD, you can get those pretty cheap
[19:38] <gbaman> not with DSI? no drivers yet
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[19:39] <Sonny_Jim> Oh maybe it was just the touchscreen then
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[19:39] <MY123> With DSI, June 2014 firmwares all had DSI enabled for a 1024*600 screen.
[19:40] <Sonny_Jim> The only DSI screen I can think of is N900
[19:40] <Sonny_Jim> And that's 848xsomething
[19:40] <MY123> Me.I think the Nexus 7.DSI 1080p screen.
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[19:42] <Sonny_Jim> Ooh you can get HDMI->LVDS convertors
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[19:42] <Sonny_Jim> Didn't know that
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[19:42] <wbk> hi
[19:42] <wbk> http://docs-europe.electrocomponents.com/webdocs/12de/0900766b812decd9.pdf
[19:42] <wbk> what is this?
[19:43] <Sonny_Jim> Looks like a datasheet
[19:43] <wbk> B+ model?
[19:43] <Sonny_Jim> It's quite obvious what it is ;-)
[19:43] <wbk> is it a new model?
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[19:44] <Sonny_Jim> Yes
[19:44] <Sonny_Jim> Largely the same
[19:44] <Sonny_Jim> Same CPU/GPU etc
[19:45] <wbk> what are the difference?
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[19:45] <MY123> Sonny_Jim: DSI and HDMI can do dual-head. Wow. Even the shematics before sale, what's happened, shiftplusonz ?
[19:45] <Sonny_Jim> microSD
[19:45] <MY123> *shiftplusone
[19:45] <Sonny_Jim> 4 USB ports
[19:45] <Sonny_Jim> Different form factor (size)
[19:45] <Sonny_Jim> Different voltage regulator
[19:46] <shiftplusone> MY123, the distributors happened.
[19:46] <Sonny_Jim> More GPIO pins?
[19:46] <Sonny_Jim> (can't remember how many you got on the B)
[19:46] <MY123> On the b 26 gpios.
[19:46] <wbk> Sonny_Jim: that's all? the description talks about greater IO
[19:47] <Sonny_Jim> Ah it's the same then
[19:47] <Sonny_Jim> Yeah it has two DSI now, one for display, one for camera (if I'm reading this right)
[19:47] <MY123> Is there a DSP?
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[19:47] <gordonDrogon> evening.
[19:47] <Sonny_Jim> Looks more like a redesign rather than a brand new model
[19:48] <MY123> Sonny_Jim: Is there a DSP?
[19:48] <Sonny_Jim> I have no idea
[19:48] * shiftplusone grabs the popcorn and watches the speculation continue.
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[19:49] <Sonny_Jim> Is it not a 1000BaseT connection on the B?
[19:49] <P33M> I'll see your popcorn and raise you a Dominos pizza
[19:49] <SpeedEvil> 100mhz speed-bump
[19:49] <Sonny_Jim> Thought it was for some reason, even though it's obviously limited by the USB bus
[19:50] <shiftplusone> heh
[19:50] <SpeedEvil> In some ways what's notable is what's not there.
[19:50] <SpeedEvil> - no DSI screen
[19:50] <Sonny_Jim> Errr
[19:50] <Sonny_Jim> What?
[19:51] <Sonny_Jim> afaics the only thing that's been taken away is the full sized SD slot
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[19:52] <wbk> analog video out is gone
[19:52] <Sonny_Jim> No it's not
[19:52] <Sonny_Jim> Been moved to the 3.5mm connector
[19:53] <gordonDrogon> did someone offer popcorn?
[19:53] * Sonny_Jim throws gordonDrogon a bag
[19:53] <Sonny_Jim> Salted ok?
[19:53] <gordonDrogon> Hm. prefer toffee, but hey ho...
[19:53] <P33M> buttery pls
[19:54] <gordonDrogon> butterkist, butterkist, butterkist, rah, rah, rah ...
[19:54] <gordonDrogon> or something like thaT?
[19:55] <MY123> shiftplusone: According to the leaked element14 documentation, there is a DSP for better audio quality.
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[19:56] <Neobenedict> lol. it properly releases tomorrow
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[19:56] <shiftplusone> fancy that
[19:56] <Neobenedict> gj whoever cocked it up
[19:56] <Sonny_Jim> Hmm, different DSP or different amp/output components?
[19:58] <gyeben> seems like model B+ is already available from RS (at least in Hungary)
[19:59] <SpeedEvil> Sonny_Jim: maybe even software
[19:59] <lee> how can I determine the exact reason a pi won't boot from an sd card? it was working, and stopped. pi works fine with another card. card doesn't work in another pi. card can be read in a card reader, both vfat and ext4 partitions. PSU is good. symptoms are no video output and no activity LED (just red power LED).
[19:59] <MY123> Apparently, there is an audio input because of the DSP. Will like use it for computation.
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[19:59] <lee> really would like to work out exactly what is wrong with the card that is preventing it from working
[20:00] <MY123> lee: power supply or broken sd card slot.
[20:00] <lee> it's neither of those
[20:00] <shiftplusone> lee, what happens if you push the card against the contacts with your thumb as you power it up. Pay attention to the ACT LED.
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[20:00] <P33M> Does the ACT LED flash? Does it have a faint green glow?
[20:01] <Sonny_Jim> lee: There is a troubleshooting list in the wiki
[20:02] <Sonny_Jim> http://elinux.org/R-Pi_Troubleshooting
[20:02] <lee> shiftplusone: the feckin' thing works, so long as I'm holding it!
[20:02] <shiftplusone> lee, yup.... sd slot or bent card.
[20:02] <Sonny_Jim> Heh, hence why they switched to uSD on the B+...
[20:02] <wbk> http://www.hardkernel.com/main/main.php OMG
[20:02] <shiftplusone> lee, you can try adding stickers onto the card to make it a little thicker
[20:02] <wbk> 1,7 Ghz quad core
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[20:03] <lee> must be the card, damn!
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[20:03] <shiftplusone> if it's microsd, try a stiffer adapter
[20:04] <lee> it is indeed microSD, with the sandisk adapter
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[20:06] <Sonny_Jim> My SD is wedged in with bits of paper atm :-(
[20:06] <MY123> Mine is soldered directly to the Pi.
[20:06] <Sonny_Jim> Yikes
[20:06] <shiftplusone> I ended up replacing the SD slot with a metal one on two of my pis
[20:07] <Sonny_Jim> Did you put the root fs on USB?
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[20:07] <lee> the only other adapter I have handy is a low profile one that sits on top of the half-SD and means it doesn't fit in the case properly =)
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[20:13] <MY123> shiftplusone: There is not speculation about the new Pi. With Element14 sp̂ecs leaked, there is any secret.
[20:14] <shiftplusone> Unless it's all an elaborate joke by RS and Farnell
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[20:15] <shiftplusone> Do you really think anybody could be that incompetent by accident? It's clearly all fake. >.>
[20:15] <wbk> is possible to buy a rpi from farnell and RS as a private?
[20:16] <shiftplusone> that's my story and I'm sticking to it
[20:16] <winlu> lol
[20:16] <shiftplusone> wbk, yes, of course. That's THE place to get them.
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[20:17] <Neobenedict> lol shiftplusone
[20:17] <Sonny_Jim> lol
[20:17] <wbk> shiftplusone, which one is better?
[20:17] <MY123> It is private info, shiftplusone.But saved into Google Cache.They forgotten their robots.txt.
[20:17] <gordonDrogon> wbk, I buy all my Pi's directly from Farnell, but if you're in the UK, then CPC is the more public facing version of Farnell.
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[20:17] <Sonny_Jim> I think it's all rather immaterial now
[20:18] <Neobenedict> [19:17:29] <MY123> It is private info, shiftplusone.But saved into Google Cache.They forgotten their robots.txt.
[20:18] <Neobenedict> where?
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[20:18] <shiftplusone> wbk, that often depends on where you're located, but my first choice is always e14.
[20:19] <wbk> what is CPC?
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[20:19] <MY123> Neobenedict: A small secret. Now, there is about 4000 units of Model B+ ready for shipping in the UK.
[20:19] <wbk> why? e14 is less expensive?
[20:19] <MY123> In farnell.
[20:20] <shiftplusone> wbk, I've just had better experience with E14. Just personal preference.
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[20:20] <MY123> wbk: Element14 is the most expensive but ships quickly.
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[20:24] <rikkib> Hmmm Up early for the world cup.
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[20:43] <NullMoogleCable> http://docs-europe.electrocomponents.com/webdocs/12de/0900766b812decd9.pdf
[20:44] <gordonDrogon> is that why it's all gone quiet now?
[20:44] <P33M> Welcome to 6 hours ago
[20:44] <P33M> also gordonDrogon: does anyone on IRC even know what divegrass is?
[20:45] <P33M> it involves... outside
[20:45] <The_HunterT> World Cup son
[20:45] <gordonDrogon> P33M, I really have no interest in football whatsoever.
[20:46] <P33M> futballs is what they insist on calling it
[20:46] <P33M> i call it by the obvious name
[20:47] <gordonDrogon> association football - aka 'soccer' (as opposed to rugby football, aka rugger)
[20:48] <The_HunterT> Putin is there, also Russia is host of next World Cup. Mistake after mistake. Brazil and then Russia? Really?
[20:49] <The_HunterT> </politics>
[20:49] <P33M> The_HunterT: one word: gravytrain
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[20:53] <rikkib> Hmmm half the world seems to be accessing my web server looking at pics of the model B+
[20:54] <Sonny_Jim> Might be an idea to recompress the file to something smaller
[20:54] <Sonny_Jim> Or replace it with a simple image that has the datasheet as the url
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[20:54] <Sonny_Jim> (or something more nefarious)
[20:55] <P33M> or maybe its a ddos <_<
[20:55] <gordonDrogon> or just remove them?
[20:55] <Sonny_Jim> Or that
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[20:55] <Sonny_Jim> Noticeably absent on the forums though
[20:55] <gordonDrogon> bandwidth's cheap though.
[20:55] <rikkib> basndwidth is cheap
[20:55] <rikkib> I am not complaining
[20:56] <rikkib> just noting social media is a great thing
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[20:59] <rikkib> some of the refers are interesting
[20:59] <rikkib> hackaday
[21:00] <Sonny_Jim> Pfft
[21:00] <Sonny_Jim> Hackaday are saying the composite out is gone
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[21:04] <nid0> info is absent on the forums because the foundation controls it
[21:04] <nid0> just like they asked us to sit on this info for now
[21:06] <MY123> Your server will not be saturated tomorrow.
[21:06] <rikkib> It is saturated now
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[21:07] <Sonny_Jim> No one asked me anything
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[21:08] <MY123> rikkib: pm sent
[21:10] <Sonny_Jim> I never understood why people do that (pm sent)
[21:10] <rikkib> Interesting
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[21:10] <Sonny_Jim> I mean, I can *see* I have a PM and by doing that you are negating the P part of PM
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[21:11] <nid0> not really, knowing a message has been sent doesnt mean you know whats in it, and the recipient might not obviously see a new pm depending on their client
[21:11] <rikkib> I guess my rapberrypi forum ban is not going to be lifted ever now
[21:11] <rikkib> haha
[21:11] <Sonny_Jim> If your client doesn't alert you to PMs, then it sucks
[21:12] <rikkib> I run xchat
[21:12] <MY123> Sonny_Jim: To assurate him with a solution. lots of persons just don't see PMs. Ex: irsso
[21:12] <rikkib> it alerts me witha beep
[21:12] <MY123> *irssi
[21:13] <MY123> Ah. On my PC , have not a sound card.
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[21:15] <Sonny_Jim> irssi shows PMs just fine, it even highlights it in purple for you
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[21:16] <MY123> Sonny_Jim: Not on Redhat 7.0.
[21:17] <Sonny_Jim> Check your terminal
[21:19] <MY123> rikkib: Why are you banned from the forum?
[21:19] <rikkib> Arguinig with Jamseh about raspi-config
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[21:20] <rikkib> which does not stick to debian philosiphy
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[21:21] <doctorpenguin> is there a certain order or filestructure games have to have in retropie? or could it just be the version that is conflicting with my isos?
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[21:21] <doctorpenguin> project64 loads my n64 roms fine but, specifying the location of the roms /w rasppi does not work
[21:22] <Sonny_Jim> from what I remember it already had separate folders for each system
[21:22] <Sonny_Jim> n64/c64 etc
[21:22] <doctorpenguin> I fixed the fstab
[21:22] <Sonny_Jim> Are you talking about the menu system?
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[21:22] <doctorpenguin> ya
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[21:23] <doctorpenguin> It loads the games now but, crashes if I load any of them
[21:23] <Sonny_Jim> So what's the error it gives you?
[21:23] <doctorpenguin> btw, sonny_jim there was a bug thats new /w retropie, the es_systems.cfg file is now located in /etc/.emulationstation instead of ~/home/pi/.emulationstation/
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[21:24] <doctorpenguin> you can backup and mv that and it works fine but, I had to fiddle /w it and find it on the forums
[21:24] <doctorpenguin> Sonny_Jim, it acts like it can't see the roms for some reason but, loads the artwork
[21:24] <doctorpenguin> I'd have to start it up again to get an error
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[21:25] <Sonny_Jim> Post your config file somewhere
[21:25] <doctorpenguin> k
[21:25] <doctorpenguin> 1 sec need to start it
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[21:28] <doctorpenguin> this is the specific line
[21:29] <doctorpenguin> "<system>
[21:29] <doctorpenguin> <fullname>Nintendo 64</fullname>
[21:29] <doctorpenguin> <name>n64</name>
[21:29] <doctorpenguin> <path>/media/usb8/RetroBoy/n64</path>
[21:29] <doctorpenguin> <extension>.z64 .Z64 .n64 .N64 .v64 .V64</extension>
[21:29] <doctorpenguin> <command>/opt/retropie/supplementary/runcommand/runcommand.sh 1 "cd /opt/retropie/emulators/mupen64plus-rpi/test/ && ./mupen64plus %ROM%"</command>
[21:29] <doctorpenguin> <platform>n64</platform>
[21:29] <doctorpenguin> <theme>n64</theme>
[21:29] <doctorpenguin> </system>
[21:29] <doctorpenguin> "
[21:29] <shiftplusone> doctorpenguin, pastebin
[21:29] <doctorpenguin> k
[21:29] <doctorpenguin> now does the command have to have the dir?
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[21:32] <Sonny_Jim> Can you post the entire config to pastebin?
[21:33] <doctorpenguin> ya
[21:33] <doctorpenguin> http://pastebin.com/YeH43hAR
[21:34] <Sonny_Jim> Right, so you are saying that it's not picking up roms you've added?
[21:34] <Sonny_Jim> What systems have you added ROMs for?
[21:35] <doctorpenguin> n64 and mame
[21:35] <Sonny_Jim> Right, so where on the filesystem did you put them?
[21:35] <doctorpenguin> I want to use GBA but, I thought I would fix why the roms aren't working b4 trying other roms b/c n64 is extremely basic /w roms.
[21:35] <doctorpenguin> I put them on a seperate hard drive and then mounted them /w fstab
[21:35] <Sonny_Jim> Right, so where on the filesystem did you put them?
[21:36] <doctorpenguin> ./usb8/RetroPie/n64 or mame
[21:36] <doctorpenguin> what do you mean 'where'; like the location or?
[21:36] <Sonny_Jim> Yes
[21:36] <Sonny_Jim> You realise the difference between ./ and /?
[21:37] <doctorpenguin> yes but, it won't paste if I don't do that in here
[21:37] <Sonny_Jim> So you understand ./ means the current working directory and / refers to the root of the filesystem?
[21:37] <doctorpenguin> ya
[21:37] <Sonny_Jim> Have you put ./usb8 into /etc/fstab?
[21:38] <doctorpenguin> lemme check
[21:38] <Sonny_Jim> In fact can you pastbin your /etc/fstab
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[21:38] <doctorpenguin> negative
[21:38] <doctorpenguin> k that might be it
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[21:39] <dmarkey> What torren download speed is the rpi capable of, assuming uncontended network and ssd storage?
[21:40] <Sonny_Jim> You will be limited to the speed of the USB bus from what I understand
[21:40] <Sonny_Jim> Google Pi network performance
[21:40] <doctorpenguin> whats the dropoff of usb 3.0 to usb 2.0
[21:40] <doctorpenguin> ? just curious
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[21:41] <dmarkey> Sonny_Jim: So USB and network share that same bus?
[21:41] <Sonny_Jim> Yes
[21:41] <chris_99> Anyone managed to grab the RPi B+?
[21:41] <Sonny_Jim> The network is connected via USB
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[21:41] <dmarkey> I wonder if it's a shared bus for rx/tx
[21:42] <Sonny_Jim> Yes
[21:42] <doctorpenguin> brb
[21:42] <Sonny_Jim> The network card is connected via the USB bus
[21:42] <Sonny_Jim> doctorpenguin: I still need to see the output of /etc/fstab
[21:42] <Sonny_Jim> As to me it looks like you have made a mistake, using /usb8/ rather than /media/usb8
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[21:54] <doctorpenguin> k
[21:55] <doctorpenguin> 1 min
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[21:57] <doctorpenguin> for some reason since I have it plugged into wifi and eth0 it has two ips...
[21:57] <Sonny_Jim> Right
[21:57] <Sonny_Jim> You have an IP address for each interface, one for wifi, one for eth0
[21:57] <doctorpenguin> yep
[21:58] <MY123> Rikkib: a recommendation via PM
[21:58] <doctorpenguin> heres my fstab
[21:58] <Sonny_Jim> dmarkey: This link is probably revelant http://elinux.org/RPi_Performance
[21:58] <Sonny_Jim> Put it in pastebin please!
[21:58] <doctorpenguin> http://pastebin.com/nw708bbJ
[21:58] <Sonny_Jim> phew ;-)
[21:58] <rikkib> Been their done that
[21:59] <Sonny_Jim> doctorpenguin: You see the problem?
[21:59] <Sonny_Jim> /dev/sda2 ./media/usb8 ntfs-3g rw,exec
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[21:59] <doctorpenguin> is it that its not ./dev/sda2?
[21:59] <Sonny_Jim> Now remember what I said about the difference between ./ and / ?
[21:59] <Sonny_Jim> ./ refers to the current directory
[22:00] <Sonny_Jim> So if I cd /home/pi, that takes me to pi
[22:00] <Sonny_Jim> if I then type cd ./etc
[22:00] <Sonny_Jim> That tries to take me to /home/pi/etc, NOT /etc
[22:00] <Sonny_Jim> Short story: lost the period
[22:00] <doctorpenguin> on /dev?
[22:00] <Sonny_Jim> lol
[22:01] <Sonny_Jim> You see this line:
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[22:01] <Sonny_Jim> /dev/sda2 ./media/usb8 ntfs-3g rw,exec
[22:01] <doctorpenguin> ya
[22:01] <Sonny_Jim> Notice that ./media has a period in front of it?
[22:01] <doctorpenguin> ya
[22:01] <Sonny_Jim> Remove that period
[22:01] <Sonny_Jim> So it refers to /media/usb8
[22:01] <Sonny_Jim> Can you see why you need to remove it?
[22:02] <MY123> doctorpenguin: you like Windows \\ way of enumerating partitions.
[22:03] <doctorpenguin> so whats the different between current and root? like why does it make a difference? is it privileges given?
[22:03] <Sonny_Jim> Current working directory is whereever that program was launched
[22:03] <Twist-> So this is really more of a debian question, but someone should know offhand.. my wlan0 interface is not coming up on boot all thesudden.
[22:03] <Sonny_Jim> and with fstab it might be in a really weird place
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[22:03] <Sonny_Jim> If I cd /etc
[22:03] <Sonny_Jim> Current working directory is /etc
[22:03] <Twist-> I can bring it up manually with ifup thoguh, and it catches the correct settings from /etc/network/interfaces
[22:03] <MY123> doctorpenguin: Oh.A Windows brainwashed user.
[22:04] <Sonny_Jim> MY123: You're not really helping :\
[22:04] <Twist-> does anyone have a few ideas for config files I might have missed? I'm not familiar with the linux network startup sequence
[22:04] <Sonny_Jim> Twist-: I would start by looking at the network setup guide in the wiki
[22:04] <doctorpenguin> I hate windows don't get me wrong. I tried a comp sci program in PA and it sucked b/c it was mainly mathematical java and windows training
[22:05] <MY123> Twist-: you have /etc/network/interface. If you know win32 -> winehq.org .
[22:05] <doctorpenguin> k so current working directory could be like a program reference to an obscure location?
[22:06] <Sonny_Jim> doctorpenguin: You should use absolute paths (ie /path/to/wherever) in fstab rather than ./
[22:06] <Sonny_Jim> You have used the command cd .. right?
[22:06] <doctorpenguin> Do you have to load emulation software on retropie to emulate an n64 controller?
[22:06] <doctorpenguin> thousands of times
[22:06] <Sonny_Jim> .. refers to the directory below, . refers to the current directory
[22:07] <doctorpenguin> retropie was complaining about my xbox360 controller not having a rumblepack or something
[22:07] <doctorpenguin> I thought it would 'change directory'
[22:07] <doctorpenguin> was*
[22:08] <Sonny_Jim> cd is change directory
[22:08] <Sonny_Jim> cd .. mean "Change to the directory below"
[22:08] <MY123> *doctorpenguin
[22:09] <Sonny_Jim> If I was in /home/pi and I typed cd ../user, that would try to switch to /home/user
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[22:10] <Sonny_Jim> But anyway, you understand now why ./media/usb8 is incorrect?
[22:10] <Sonny_Jim> and why it should be /media/usb8 ?
[22:10] <doctorpenguin> ya
[22:10] <Sonny_Jim> Cool :-)
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[22:14] <Sonny_Jim> One other thing to explain is ~
[22:15] <Sonny_Jim> This is refers to the current logged in users home directory
[22:15] <Sonny_Jim> <path>~/RetroPie/roms/apple2</path>
[22:15] <Sonny_Jim> This expands to "/home/pi/RetroPie/roms/apple2"
[22:16] <Sonny_Jim> You'll want to go through the es-station configuration file and change those to point at your usb drive you have mounted
[22:16] <Sonny_Jim> So ~/RetroPie/roms/apple2 should be /media/usb8/roms/apple2/
[22:18] <doctorpenguin> k
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[22:18] <doctorpenguin> I'm not actually using the others, does it matter?
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[22:19] <Sonny_Jim> Not really
[22:20] <gordonDrogon> http://unicorn.drogon.net/lode.jpg
[22:20] <gordonDrogon> who needs emulation when you have the real thing...
[22:20] <doctorpenguin> now I read somewhere that it will complain if mame is not the correct version for the roms; is there a faq entry for this?
[22:22] <Sonny_Jim> Check the Retropie wiki to see what version of MAME it's using
[22:22] <doctorpenguin> k
[22:23] <MY123> gordonDrogon: Wow.An Apple II. You can sell it for thousands of p̂ounds.
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[22:25] <doctorpenguin> serious? lol
[22:25] <Sonny_Jim> BTW MAME is terrible on the Pi
[22:25] <Sonny_Jim> Nah, Apple II's are about £60-£200
[22:25] <doctorpenguin> why?
[22:25] <Sonny_Jim> because MAME aims for accuracy over speed
[22:25] <doctorpenguin> 1st quest
[22:26] <doctorpenguin> even if you overclock?
[22:26] <Sonny_Jim> Yes
[22:26] <Sonny_Jim> Most 80's games should work ok, but there are exceptions (Asteroids is one iirc)
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[22:30] <gordonDrogon> MY123, they're not worth that - just a �100 or so. I have 2 Apple II's and a //c
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[22:30] <gordonDrogon> MY123, This is the �1000's computer: http://unicorn.drogon.net/stuff/mk14.jpg :-)
[22:30] <doctorpenguin> wasn't the apple2 made b4 jobs was fired as head ceo of apple and b4 he made the next computer?
[22:31] <Sonny_Jim> No.
[22:31] <P33M> socketed ICs
[22:31] <P33M> wtf man
[22:31] <Sonny_Jim> Well, yes
[22:31] <Sonny_Jim> I dunno
[22:31] * Sonny_Jim throws hands up in the air
[22:31] <Sonny_Jim> gordonDrogon: Oooh that is nice...
[22:31] <doctorpenguin> I'm a millennial; its an accomplishment that my dad had an apple when I was a kid
[22:32] <Sonny_Jim> P33M: You've obviously never had to fault find and repair a PCB
[22:32] <shiftplusone> bahahaha
[22:32] <P33M> i have, and half the times where sockets were involved it was the socket that was at fault
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[22:33] <shiftplusone> Sonny_Jim, quite wrong there.
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[22:33] <Sonny_Jim> So, when faultfinding, it's easier to desolder an IC or to pull it out the socket and thro another one in there?
[22:33] <Sonny_Jim> As long as a monkey hasn't fitted the socket, they are fine
[22:33] <P33M> neg
[22:33] <P33M> try that again in a marine environment
[22:34] <Sonny_Jim> Why are you fixing PCB's on a boat?
[22:34] <P33M> because that was my job
[22:34] <Sonny_Jim> Oh wait I get it
[22:34] <Sonny_Jim> Navy boy
[22:34] <P33M> close but no
[22:34] <P33M> did meet a fair few IN THE NAVY types, though
[22:34] * Sonny_Jim shrugs
[22:34] <Sonny_Jim> If I have to replace a bad IC, I'll fit a socket
[22:35] <P33M> ;|
[22:35] <P33M> carry on then
[22:35] <Sonny_Jim> Will do!
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[22:35] <shiftplusone> I do vote for sockets though. I'm quite surprised P33M is against them.
[22:36] <Sonny_Jim> TBF, if I get given a broken PCB and I see it's had sockets fitted, one of the first things I do is inspect the sockets
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[22:36] <Sonny_Jim> But in a rugged environment such as marine I can see the reasons not to use them
[22:36] <doctorpenguin> So Sonny_Jim; did the queen really knight the creator of the rasppi? thats a rumor I heard over here in USA
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[22:36] <Sonny_Jim> (I swear doctorpenguin was sent to test my patience)
[22:37] <doctorpenguin> sorry
[22:37] <Sonny_Jim> I don't know, why don't you use Bing and find out?
[22:37] <P33M> David Braben, one of the trustees of the Raspberry Pi foundation, got an OBE (not a knighthood) in the birthday honours
[22:37] <P33M> googleisyourfriend
[22:37] <gordonDrogon> http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/technology-27836293
[22:37] <shiftplusone> doctorpenguin, is it true the pi was actually created by ancient aliens?
[22:37] * Sonny_Jim wanders off to find a happy place
[22:37] <shiftplusone> sorry, that question was meant to be for Sonny_Jim
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[22:37] <doctorpenguin> I don't think so.
[22:37] <shiftplusone> damn
[22:38] <Sonny_Jim> Rolf Harris had an OBE didn't he?
[22:38] <Sonny_Jim> They give em to anyone ;-)
[22:38] <doctorpenguin> over understanding of the universe locks us in our locality and I doubt we can ever escape the spacetime barrier to get to other galaxies unless we learn how to travel faster than light
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[22:38] <doctorpenguin> our*
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[22:39] <MY123> gordonDrogon: Still your calculator!
[22:40] <Sonny_Jim> That ain't no calculator!
[22:40] <P33M> it's a space station
[22:40] <Sonny_Jim> that's one of the first computers available to hobbyists in the UK (if I've got that right)
[22:40] <gordonDrogon> calculator? it's a MK14. Clive Sinclairs first computer.
[22:41] <Sonny_Jim> It's what spurred the development of the Acorn/Spectrum
[22:41] <Sonny_Jim> You can see one in Micromen I believe
[22:41] <MY123> My first PC had a 80386.
[22:42] <Sonny_Jim> Not every computer came with a qwerty keyboard ;-)
[22:42] <MY123> Sonny_Jim: Prefer azerty.
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[22:42] <Sonny_Jim> ZX81 - Spectrum+ - Sam Coupe(!) Then went all boring and got x86
[22:43] <Sonny_Jim> I do have a couple of pinball tables though
[22:43] <gordonDrogon> it was (arguably) the first home/hobbyist computer in the UK for under �50.
[22:43] <gordonDrogon> (the Mk14 that is)
[22:43] <[Saint]> Ohh...Rolph Harris low blow. Lol.
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[22:44] <Sonny_Jim> Been meaning to go up to the Cambridge Computing Museum, place looks awesome
[22:44] <gordonDrogon> Sonny_Jim, https://projects.drogon.net/a-visit-to-the-center-for-computing-history/
[22:46] <Sonny_Jim> Yeah they've got an event on this weekend called Arc-aid, based around fixing old arcade machines from the nearby US Army base, was supposed to be doing a workshop on pinball repair but couldn't organise things in time
[22:47] <Sonny_Jim> Oooh they've got a Domesday machine
[22:47] <Sonny_Jim> Is it true you can touch all the machines? Sounds like heaven
[22:47] <[Saint]> Yeppers.
[22:48] <[Saint]> Byo hand sanitizer though
[22:48] <P33M> D:
[22:48] <Sonny_Jim> And deoderant
[22:48] <Sonny_Jim> :-p
[22:48] <[Saint]> Public keyboards man...
[22:48] <[Saint]> New.
[22:48] <[Saint]> *ew
[22:49] <[Saint]> (It is a word, damn you, auto complete)
[22:50] <Sonny_Jim> That delay-line memory storage device looks incredible
[22:50] <Sonny_Jim> Was that before or after core memory?
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[22:59] <doctorpenguin> I really don't mean to be a bother but, two more questions. How do I tell how much memory my raspipi has and how do I tell what version mame is on raspboy?
[23:00] * ukscone sets mode +b *!*@bencom.co.nz
[23:00] <doctorpenguin> I looked in a bunch of faqs and can't find it
[23:00] <P33M> sudo format c:\
[23:00] <doctorpenguin> I will pass on that
[23:00] <Sonny_Jim> free
[23:00] <P33M> derp
[23:00] <P33M> free -m will help
[23:01] <P33M> default GPU split is 64M - therefore if you have 400+M free it's a 512M pi
[23:01] <doctorpenguin> ty
[23:01] <Sonny_Jim> mame -v normally will give you the version
[23:01] * rikkib was kicked from #raspberrypi by ukscone
[23:01] <Sonny_Jim> Oooh
[23:01] <Sonny_Jim> That's a bit harsh
[23:01] <Sonny_Jim> Any reason for that?
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[23:03] <shiftplusone> If you ask someone nicely not to do something, then they do it out of spite and the gloat about it....
[23:03] <Sonny_Jim> I didn't see any spite, nor any gloating
[23:03] <Sonny_Jim> But meh
[23:04] <doctorpenguin> Sonny_Jim that command doesn't work, does it have to have a certain directory? I mean I read somewhere pie uses like mame4all?
[23:05] <Sonny_Jim> A quick google reveals that it's probably MAME 0.37b5
[23:06] <doctorpenguin> is there anyway to force a newer version?
[23:06] <Sonny_Jim> Not really, they have to use an old version as the later versions got too complicated
[23:06] <Sonny_Jim> There is another version of MAME for the Pi, you'd do well to check the gaming section of the forums
[23:07] <[Saint]> kicked from #raspberrypi: reason "don't rain on our parade"
[23:07] <[Saint]> Subtle. Heh.
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[23:09] <Sonny_Jim> Also, you realise that ban mask is a bit OTT?
[23:09] <[Saint]> All too common.
[23:09] <P33M> clearly a million people are behind the net name bencom.co.nq
[23:09] <P33M> *nz
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[23:11] <[Saint]> He'll be back with a hostmask soon enough, and the ban hopping game will be on.
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[23:12] <shiftplusone> I don't think he's the type to bother with that. He'll go elsewhere and tell everyone that we eat babies, I think.
[23:12] <P33M> i thought ban evasion was a k-line offence on freenode
[23:12] <P33M> but its been a while
[23:13] <[Saint]> It is.
[23:13] <Sonny_Jim> http://www.raspberrypi.org/forums/viewtopic.php?f=63&t=56598
[23:13] <Sonny_Jim> "TL;DR; There is no 'new' Raspberry Pi expected in the near future."
[23:13] <Sonny_Jim> So if I post links about the B+ I can expect a ban?
[23:13] <[Saint]> Note the date?
[23:14] <MY123> shiftplusone: It was already banned on the Rasp̂berry pi forum. Go on #freenode for limiting it for a cloak.
[23:14] <[Saint]> Good luck with that.
[23:14] <[Saint]> Its always a catch up game.
[23:15] <[Saint]> Its impossible to keep someone sufficiently determined off your channel.
[23:15] <[Saint]> Absolutely impossible.
[23:15] <Sonny_Jim> I honestly don't think rikkib cares that much
[23:15] <doctorpenguin> there is a new fork of pi that I heard is coming out but, not by the same folks
[23:15] <Sonny_Jim> He's too busy looking through his webserver logs
[23:15] <Sonny_Jim> Yeah, banana Pi
[23:15] <P33M> dat banana pi
[23:15] <gordonDrogon> banana pi is rubbish.
[23:15] <gordonDrogon> I've seen one.
[23:15] <Sonny_Jim> Highend Pi is an oxymoron
[23:15] <[Saint]> Not in any way a fork of anything pi
[23:16] <[Saint]> And its crap.
[23:16] <Sonny_Jim> Bit like "High Class Fast Food"
[23:16] <shiftplusone> Why is it rubbish? I understand that it's 'meh', but what's actually wrong with it?
[23:16] <P33M> tesco value burgers are for the win, tyvm
[23:16] <Sonny_Jim> It's neither one thing or the other
[23:16] <gordonDrogon> I think the point of other Pi-like hardware is simply lost on the people creating it - Pi is the community as much as the hardware.
[23:16] <[Saint]> Its filling a hole no one asked for, for one.
[23:16] <[Saint]> And largely meh all round.
[23:16] <MY123> It is crap and has far less processing power( vpu & qpu).
[23:16] <Sonny_Jim> There ya go
[23:17] <[Saint]> The community has spoken!
[23:17] <P33M> random dudes on IRC have spoken!
[23:17] <P33M> but yes, when banana pi came out there was much the same response
[23:17] <P33M> "meh"
[23:18] <P33M> another allwinner a20 clone
[23:19] * shiftplusone checks the game
[23:19] <shiftplusone> yup... nothing happened.
[23:19] <P33M> 0-0 in 116 of 90 minutes
[23:19] <The_HunterT> Ty
[23:19] <P33M> divegrass score: 4:5 argentina
[23:19] <MY123> I'm trying to see an BCM21153 Pi clone, does that exist? , shiftplusone.
[23:20] <shiftplusone> none that I know of
[23:20] <[Saint]> No point in watching the world cup. We all know N. Korea already won it.
[23:20] <shiftplusone> heh
[23:21] <[Saint]> The Great Leader scored 17 goals personally.
[23:21] <P33M> no, N Korea won it because the entire team dropped to the ground as Kim Jong Un flew overhead and scored 10 goals against every other team in the same game
[23:21] <[Saint]> ...while riding a drogon.
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[23:21] <[Saint]> Heh. Funny typo.
[23:21] <shiftplusone> >_<
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[23:25] <P33M> oh. someone accidentally let teh ball go in one of the nets
[23:25] <P33M> something happened in the divegrass
[23:26] <shiftplusone> hurray
[23:26] <[Saint]> Of sports that make no sense. I prefer Australian Football.
[23:27] <[Saint]> Its like UFC with a ball.
[23:27] <P33M> clearly something has gone horribly wrong
[23:27] <[Saint]> One word: "spekky"
[23:28] <MY123> DE 1 - ARG 0 : Now , after 12 hours, there will be something.
[23:28] <shiftplusone> Agh.... Australian Football...
[23:28] <[Saint]> Likely need to be an Australasian to get that reference. But Google should tell you.
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[23:29] <shiftplusone> I don't know if there's an actual sport associated with it, but I know it's all people talk about. God forbid you don't have a favourite team. D=
[23:29] <[Saint]> Just pick an animal at random.
[23:29] <shiftplusone> a moose
[23:29] <P33M> hamster
[23:29] <[Saint]> I....hmmm.
[23:30] <Sonny_Jim> Tapir
[23:30] <shiftplusone> That's it.... that's all the animals there are.
[23:32] <shiftplusone> I'll just say I go for the tapirs next time
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[23:33] <[Saint]> Australian place names are so weird, no one will know that the Yabby-Wabby Nongnong Tapirs aren't a real team.
[23:33] <[Saint]> They'll just think they got slaughtered in the semis.
[23:34] <shiftplusone> Probably
[23:36] <P33M> germany win, apparently
[23:37] <P33M> you kicked all the balls, grats
[23:37] <P33M> i have no idea what happened
[23:37] <shiftplusone> yay
[23:37] <The_HunterT> Germany wins
[23:38] <ukscone> had to let them as they really do suck at wars so let them have a sports cup or two
[23:38] <P33M> hay they won at kosovo
[23:38] <ppq> lol
[23:38] <ppq> sounds like war here, though. fireworks
[23:39] <P33M> granted that was air force vs some random ... who were we fighting again?
[23:39] <P33M> AMERICA YEAH
[23:39] <P33M> wait i'm not even in america
[23:40] <[Saint]> Free citizenship offered with labotomy.
[23:41] <[Saint]> (Or upon crossing the Mexican border, apparently... ;))
[23:42] <[Saint]> On the plus side, the labotomy will help you enjoy ball sports.
[23:42] <P33M> it's not even a ball over there
[23:42] <P33M> it's an egg
[23:42] <P33M> handegg is their favourite thing
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[23:47] <MY123> ukscone: It's their 4th winned world cup, not one or two.
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[23:50] <[Saint]> Welcome to Advanced English @ #raspberrypi
[23:50] <Sonny_Jim> They dun what won a werld kup
[23:50] <P33M> fooken divegrass mate, they are the chanmpuns of the werld
[23:50] * [Saint] admits that English and parsing sarcasm as an ESL student is difficult
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