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IRC Log for 2014-07-16

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[15:36] * Topic is 'Unofficial RaspberryPi IRC channel but "Blessed" by the Foundation as the ONE channel. Logs @ http://srv.datagutt1.com <> Channel Rules as of 6 May '14: http://tiny.cc/h7za1w <> Getting help on IRC: http://tiny.cc/p9za1w <>'
[15:36] * Set by IT_Sean!~Ult_Ubunt@applefritter/IRCStaff/UltimateMacUser1 on Tue May 06 21:39:57 CEST 2014
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[15:46] <Cazi> Is anyone here familiar with hardware flow control? (rts/cts) I'm modifying some code in c and I'm getting CRTSCTS undeclared error when I try to compile. I have included <termios.h> I can't find much documentation on this error, other than to just include termios.h Any ideas? OS is Raspian (Wheezy)
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[15:51] <Sonny_Jim> Can you post the line of code that is using CRTSCTS?
[15:52] <Cazi> yea one sec
[15:52] <Sonny_Jim> And fwiw, I can't find CRTSCTS in /usr/include
[15:52] <Sonny_Jim> ah ok
[15:53] <Sonny_Jim> try:
[15:53] <Sonny_Jim> #include <asm-generic/termbits.h>
[15:53] <ShorTie> termbits.h maybe ??
[15:54] <Sonny_Jim> In future, just "grep -r CRTSCTS /usr/include/*"
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[15:54] <ShorTie> or google, lol.
[15:54] <Sonny_Jim> I did the google thang, but it looks like which header file it's in has changed
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[15:56] <ShorTie> sometimes you do not even need to follow on to a google links, just a quick l00k'n at the resultes is good enough
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[15:59] <Sonny_Jim> .. or just grep /usr/include, which is more likely to find exactly where which header file on your system it has been defined
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[16:04] <steve_rox> now on a crazy hunt for a microsd
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[16:05] <ShorTie> yup yup, grep is cool too...
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[16:07] <Gadgetoid> steve_rox: probably a microsd *inside* your full-sized SD :D
[16:09] <steve_rox> not sure about that :-P
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[16:09] <Gadgetoid> steve_rox: it's not uncommon!
[16:10] <steve_rox> well im not crackin open all my full size sd for it :P
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[16:55] <steve_rox> bet all the manufactures love that rpi uses microsd now
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[16:55] <Gadgetoid> steve_rox: All my cards are MicroSD bundled with adaptors, save a couple of ancient or obscure ones
[16:56] <steve_rox> i just got this 4gb one outter my keyfob secret camera
[16:56] <steve_rox> only a class 2 but should be good enough
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[16:58] <steve_rox> thought i ordered the one with the "noobs sd" but i must of ordered the wrong one
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[17:01] <steve_rox> seems to boot up finr
[17:01] <steve_rox> fine
[17:03] <steve_rox> runnin out of network cables for these rpi's tho
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[17:04] <steve_rox> rawrrrr :-P
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[17:05] <steve_rox> might give it a wifi usb in a bit maybe
[17:05] <steve_rox> hope this thing can be powered from gpio or i may be upset
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[17:17] <Shardvexz> why do I keep disconnecting
[17:17] <Shardvexz> from this channel
[17:18] <Shardvexz> ugh >.>
[17:18] <Gadgetoid> 'cos the government are stealing all your packets
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[17:18] <Shardvexz> lol
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[17:22] <Sonny_Jim> Hmm, is there an update client for noip in the repository?
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[18:50] <gordonDrogon> steve_rox, B+ ? Powers fine from GPIO.
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[18:52] <rawsted> anyone running a wolfson card willing to share their mpd.conf (if they are using mpd) and any tips/tweaks?
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[19:01] <BlaDe^> hi all
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[19:01] <ShorTie> Howdy .. :)~
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[19:01] <BlaDe^> I messed up my image slightly and need to access /etc/rc.d/ to stop bluetooth loading
[19:02] <BlaDe^> is there some docs somewhere on how to access the filesystem on a mac? I'm having issues
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[19:09] <ShorTie> google says to l00k into osxfuse maybe, or you need to setup a virtualbox thing
[19:10] <ShorTie> doesn't really sound to easy either way
[19:10] <gbaman> BlaDe^: I am currently running osxfuse on my mac, is incredibly useful to be able to mount Pi filesystems
[19:10] <gbaman> the issue is, can't actually remember the exact way I set it up :D
[19:11] <BlaDe^> gbaman: yeah I installed ext2fuse
[19:11] <BlaDe^> not sure how to "initiate" it though
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[19:11] <gbaman> 2 notes though, it isn't perfect, it is buggy at the best of times, can take quite a while to unmount drives
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[19:11] <BlaDe^> I only need to make one quick change and my pi should boot heh
[19:12] <gbaman> also, by default read/write is disabled, only read is enabled
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[19:12] <BlaDe^> $ ext2fuse /dev/disk3s1 /pi
[19:12] <BlaDe^> /dev/disk3s1 is to be mounted at /pi
[19:12] <BlaDe^> the OSXFUSE file system is not available (-1)
[19:12] <BlaDe^> the OSXFUSE file system is not available (1)
[19:12] <BlaDe^> bummer
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[19:13] <gbaman> was sure I saved the command somewhere though..
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[19:14] <BlaDe^> there's an update for osxfuse, let me try that
[19:15] <gbaman> you did install macfuse compatibility layer with fuse right?
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[19:16] <ShorTie> got another sdcard and usb converter ??
[19:16] <BlaDe^> gbaman: not sure, whatever brew does
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[19:16] <gbaman> BlaDe^: do it properly via the proper dmg installer http://code.google.com/p/macfuse/downloads/list
[19:17] <ShorTie> might be easier just boot to different sdcard and mount the 1 you need to edit in usb converter
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[19:17] <BlaDe^> that's not a bad idea ShorTie
[19:17] <BlaDe^> don't have a usb converter though heh
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[19:19] <ShorTie> could you grab a linux live dvd and boot your laptop to that maybe ??
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[19:20] <BlaDe^> yep that would work too
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[20:48] <rawsted> anyone running a wolfson card willing to share their mpd.conf (if they are using mpd) and any tips/tweaks?
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[20:50] <Matrikular> hello there, can someone pls push me in the right direction regarding the software to test drive adafruits digital rgb led strip (LPD8806) i feel a bit lost in all the tutorials
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[20:53] <Syliss> i so want a b+ for my lapdock
[20:53] <Kanerix> Ships tomorrow
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[20:54] <gordonDrogon> Syliss, get a USB Y cable for the lapdock - the B+ won't power up via the (big) USB sockets.
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[20:55] <Syliss> i have the first gen b so i already have a y cable
[20:55] <Syliss> just the form factor will fit better
[20:55] <Kanerix> I have a first gen B as well
[20:56] <gordonDrogon> ok. it'l work well - I first fired up my B+ on my lapdock.
[20:56] <Syliss> yeah 256mb ram sux
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[21:06] <Sonny_Jim> I thought all the B's had 512MB?
[21:06] <gordonDrogon> Sonny_Jim, no - the early ones had 256M.
[21:06] <Sonny_Jim> Ah ok
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[21:06] <gordonDrogon> there's the Rev 1, the 1.1 and the 2 (and the B+)
[21:06] <Sonny_Jim> Yeah I remember now, I ordered a 256MB and it arrived as a 512MB :-)
[21:06] <Syliss> i have a rev 1
[21:07] <gordonDrogon> all 1's have 256M. Some 1.1's have 256M, some 512M, and all 2's have 512M (at least I'm pretty sure that's the way it is)
[21:07] <Sonny_Jim> But I haven't nearly used all the RAM with what I use mine for so all good
[21:07] <gordonDrogon> the 1.1's removed the polyfuses on the USB ports.
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[21:08] <Budd> I just failed to boot OpenWRT on a RasPi (home-compiled to fit on a 32MB card). How do I check that the card has firmware installed?
[21:08] <Budd> I assume it goes in the 8MB before the first partition - presumably I could just dd it there?
[21:08] <gordonDrogon> the first partitin is FAT - you can mount it on a PC.
[21:09] <Budd> Right, but the first (FAT) partition starts 8MB into the card.
[21:09] * Sonny_Jim nods
[21:10] <Sonny_Jim> The first partition needs to be FAT
[21:10] <Sonny_Jim> 2nd partition is where your linux / lives
[21:10] <Syliss> yeah mine still has the polyfuses
[21:10] <Sonny_Jim> 3rd partion can be a swap file if you wanna
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[21:11] <Sonny_Jim> If you want to grab the firmware files, I'm pretty sure you can grab them off github (somewhere)
[21:13] <Budd> That much I understand. Are there instructions for installing the firmware when the card's in a non-Pi machine?
[21:14] <Sonny_Jim> You mean other than dd'ing an image?
[21:15] <Sonny_Jim> Make a FAT partition as the first partition, then copy these files there:
[21:15] <Sonny_Jim> https://github.com/raspberrypi/firmware/tree/master/boot
[21:15] <Sonny_Jim> Ooh you might want a cmdline.txt as well
[21:16] <Sonny_Jim> s/might/will
[21:16] <Budd> so is bootcode.bin the firmware? If so, can I get rid of the huge gap before the first partition?
[21:16] <Sonny_Jim> Huge gap?
[21:16] <Sonny_Jim> You mean the empty space?
[21:17] <Sonny_Jim> Sure, afaik the first parition doesn't have to be that large
[21:17] <Syliss> i want to feed data from the power port on the pi for my lapdock, that way i dont need the y cable
[21:17] <Budd> It's not the first partition that's large, it's the space *before* the first partition. 4MB, not in any partition.
[21:18] <Sonny_Jim> But aren't you partitioning the card yourself?
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[21:18] <Budd> Sonny_Jim: I'm starting with an OpenWRT image.
[21:19] <Sonny_Jim> Right, the way I would do it would be like this:
[21:19] <Sonny_Jim> Start with a blank partition table, create a FAT partion as the first partion, ext2 partition for the rest of the disk
[21:20] <Sonny_Jim> Mount the FAT partition, copy across the needed firmware files (bootcode.bin, kernel.img, cmdline.txt)
[21:20] <Sonny_Jim> Mount the openWRT image using -o loop, mount the 2nd partition and copy the files over
[21:20] <Sonny_Jim> rather than trying to image card directly
[21:21] <Sonny_Jim> Or just follow the instructions on the openwrt wiki
[21:21] <Sonny_Jim> "
[21:21] <Sonny_Jim> dd if=openwrt-brcm2708-sdcard-vfat-ext4.img of=/dev/sdb bs=2M
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[21:25] <Budd> That's what I did (with my image; theirs is too big), but when I plugged it in, just got a power light and no disk activity or ethernet link.
[21:26] <Budd> So the RasPi hardware can read FAT and find its firmware that way?
[21:26] <Sonny_Jim> Yes
[21:26] <Budd> ok, I didn't expect FAT parsing to be built in.
[21:27] <Sonny_Jim> Their image contains a FAT and ext4 partitions
[21:27] <Sonny_Jim> I'm guessing yours doesn't
[21:27] <Budd> right.
[21:27] <Budd> no, mine has FAT and ext4.
[21:27] <Sonny_Jim> What is the filename of your compiled image?
[21:27] <Sonny_Jim> Actually, scratch that
[21:27] <Budd> openwrt-brcm2708-sdcard-vfat-ext4.img
[21:28] <Sonny_Jim> When you put your SD card into a PC, it shows up two partitions, right?
[21:28] <Budd> yes.
[21:28] <Sonny_Jim> Ok, does the FAT partition have the needed firmware files on it?
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[21:30] <Budd> I think so - bootcode.bin, kernel.img cmdline.txt
[21:31] <Budd> though cmdline.txt passes root=/dev/mmcblk0p2. Is that correct for the Pi?
[21:31] <Sonny_Jim> Depends on the kernel
[21:32] <Sonny_Jim> Do you have a monitor attached?
[21:32] <Budd> Hadn't got so far as to try that, but I'll try later.
[21:32] <Sonny_Jim> It would help with diagnosing boot problems
[21:32] <Budd> Right now, I have to chase a three-year-old around a hillside.
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[21:33] <Budd> Thanks for the help.
[21:33] <Sonny_Jim> At the very least, you should see a rainbow image to let you know that the bootcode.bin has been loed
[21:33] <Sonny_Jim> *loaded
[21:33] <Sonny_Jim> If the root= part is incorrect, you should see the linux kernel telling you it hasn't been able to mount /
[21:33] <Budd> good to know the significance of the rainbow. That will help.
[21:33] <Budd> roght - I'm so used to headless machines, I forgot I'd be able to watch that.
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[22:00] <pothibo> The only way to test gpio related code is on the actual raspberry, correct?
[22:00] * Sonny_Jim thinks
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[22:01] <Sonny_Jim> Unless the device you are testing on has GPIO, I'm not sure how you would test GPIO code
[22:01] <pothibo> I don't know... some visualization tool
[22:01] <Sonny_Jim> You *could* write some kinda wrapper around wiringPi
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[22:02] <Sonny_Jim> depends on how valuable your time is, if it's less than £20 per hour and you reckon you'll be able to write the wrapper in under 2 hours, then buying a Pi will be cheaper
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[22:02] <Sonny_Jim> Err I mean, you know what I mean
[22:02] <pothibo> yeah
[22:03] <pothibo> I have the pi... it's just that for debugging, a SD card is slow as hell
[22:03] <Sonny_Jim> Transfer files using scp
[22:03] <Sonny_Jim> Much quicker
[22:03] <Sonny_Jim> or ftp, or samba, or whatever
[22:03] <pothibo> And since I have a lot of moving parts... deployments cannot be easily done
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[22:03] <pothibo> Sonny_Jim I think you are assuming a little bit too much ;)
[22:03] <Sonny_Jim> That you have network available?
[22:04] <Sonny_Jim> Or that you are removing the SD card to put new code on it?
[22:04] <Sonny_Jim> Hell, load it up through the GPIO ;-)
[22:04] <Sonny_Jim> USB serial adapter -> level shifter -> serial port on GPIO
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[22:05] <pothibo> All of the above
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[22:28] <gordonDrogon> I NFS mount stuff on a Pi when doing some development.
[22:28] <gordonDrogon> I can compile quickly on my desktop to check fo syntax, then compile on the Pi.
[22:28] <Gadgetoid> gordonDrogon: Where do you host the files?
[22:28] <Gadgetoid> Oh desktop... I risk all my in-development stuff on the Pi, but check into github or bitbucket frequently
[22:28] <gordonDrogon> Gadgetoid, I have various servers in my home/office.
[22:29] <Gadgetoid> gordonDrogon: hah, I just realised how stupid a question it was in the context of your typical setup :D
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[22:30] <Gadgetoid> I've always wondered just how much I should trust a Pi to retain information, but git works pretty well
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[22:33] <gordonDrogon> Gadgetoid, well - I've yet to have an SD card crash on me - well - not in the past year or so since the kernel drivers settled.
[22:33] <gordonDrogon> Of-coruse I use decent PSUs though - SD card writing/erasing can cause big spikeys on the power supply.
[22:34] <gordonDrogon> and I just realised I had 2 Pi's connected to a B+ that had been power cycling for ra few hours... they're still fine...
[22:34] <gordonDrogon> however - a simple & quick way if you have anothe Linux PC (or maybe Mac) is to use rsync. Either host the files on your other PC and rsync to pull them to the Pi, or vice versa.
[22:35] <Gadgetoid> I think I've used rsync on a Pi about once!
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[22:36] <Encrypt> Or unison \o/
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[22:37] <Encrypt> And the sync will be bidirectionnal
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[22:51] <jedahan> so, i can't find maynard anywhere?
[22:51] <jedahan> weston-launch works fine, but how to install maynard?
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[23:00] <shiftplusone> didn't the intro post have instructions?
[23:01] <steve_rox> anyone got like a template for the B+ yet on screw layout/ports etc
[23:02] <steve_rox> one them paper craft cases would help
[23:03] <shiftplusone> eh?
[23:03] <steve_rox> i need to cut port holes into plastic and some kinda guide would help
[23:04] <shiftplusone> http://docs-europe.electrocomponents.com/webdocs/12fa/0900766b812faa0e.pdf
[23:04] <shiftplusone> does that help?
[23:04] <steve_rox> one sec ill load it
[23:04] <steve_rox> not much
[23:05] <steve_rox> rember them printable rpi cases you can get and make up?
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[23:05] <shiftplusone> what about plasing the pi over the plastic and marking the holes with a pencil?
[23:05] <shiftplusone> aye
[23:05] <shiftplusone> punnet or whatever
[23:05] <steve_rox> sometihng like that
[23:05] <steve_rox> i used it as a guide for rev2 board
[23:05] <steve_rox> but no B+ released yet so it seem
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[23:10] <steve_rox> the pdf may help me guide the screws if it prints out to true scale
[23:11] <ShorTie> like this maybe ?? http://docs-europe.electrocomponents.com/webdocs/12fa/0900766b812faa0e.pdf
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[23:12] <steve_rox> thats the same file i think
[23:12] <shiftplusone> try this one then http://docs-europe.electrocomponents.com/webdocs/12fa/0900766b812faa0e.pdf
[23:12] <shiftplusone> (sorry)
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[23:44] <pixels> is there a warrenty on the pi?
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[23:45] <shiftplusone> sure, what country?
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[23:46] <shiftplusone> and what distributor?
[23:47] <shiftplusone> I'll just skip all that and say 1 year
[23:48] <Jusii> have to say RPi has been very exceptional in quality, not a single DoA in about 1000 we've got
[23:48] <Jusii> ok, it's a pretty simple pcb
[23:49] <shiftplusone> Jusii, how are you coping with the b+ release? didn't screw you over too much?
[23:50] <Jusii> shiftplusone: I think first 5 are waiting in the office, I hope. Some hassle ofcourse but I think it's 99% mostly a good thing
[23:51] <Jusii> all three annoying things fixed. Cables only on two sides, more USB ports and power issues fixed so I think it's just a win!
[23:51] <SiC> I went to the sony pencoed factory today
[23:51] <SiC> pretty cool seeing them all being made and tested
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[23:52] <shiftplusone> excellent
[23:52] <SiC> https://www.dropbox.com/s/cvb413hx0egrvyx/2014-07-16%2016.44.03.jpg I even bought my pi that I got yesterday with me, just to take this picture :P
[23:52] <shiftplusone> heh
[23:52] <SiC> (I went there for reasons unrelated to the pi)
[23:53] <SiC> but yea, interesting seeing all their automated test jigs for the pis
[23:53] <SiC> the numbers that are being made are incredible too (probably not allowed to give exact numbers - but its huge)
[23:54] <Jusii> I think that we've had 2 dead RPi's after some use, but there's a chance it was our / customers fault.
[23:55] <SiC> they're complicated devices, that are mass-produced
[23:55] <SiC> so yea, there always will be ones dead
[23:55] <SiC> however they are all 100% tested in the factory
[23:55] <Jusii> 0,2% fault rate with us, not bad...
[23:56] <SiC> (unlike some product lines in other factories, that will do random sample testing)
[23:56] <Jusii> another platform we use is intel NUC, 5% for them
[23:56] <SiC> what do you do/sell Jusii?
[23:56] <pixels> alright, i got one that won't boot but it'll give a red light
[23:56] <Jusii> but sure, they are completely different things
[23:56] <pixels> think the sd card reader might be busted
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[23:57] <Jusii> SiC: we do digital signage, and RPi is our 'mass product' player
[23:57] <SiC> cool
[23:57] <SiC> led signs?
[23:57] <ShorTie> red light normally is sdcard messed up
[23:57] <SiC> or a convert tv basically
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[23:58] <pixels> ShorTie: nah it boots in my other pi
[23:58] <Jusii> SiC: basically anything that can display picture, but led signs and LCD screens
[23:58] <Jusii> mostly
[23:58] <SiC> b+ or b/a pixels?
[23:58] <pixels> b
[23:59] <pixels> both are Bs
[23:59] <rigid> Jusii: checkout http://wiki.niftylight.de if you want a ready codebase

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