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IRC Log for 2014-07-17

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[0:00] <rigid> no quick python craph, tho... big fat powerful C ;)
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[0:02] <Jusii> rigid: thanks, but we go the easy way and require LED screens to accept HDMI or VGA. But will definitely have a look
[0:03] <Jusii> and it's 1AM, maybe some sleep
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[1:49] <[Saint]> 'sup biznatches.
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[1:49] <mhoney> biznatches eh?
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[1:59] <[Saint]> Yep.
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[2:55] <snuggyfoo> does anyone know of a way to create a bash script to ssh to an RPi and execute commands?
[2:55] <snuggyfoo> I've setup keys but it still only logs in and never executes anything
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[2:57] <ShorTie> don't know if it will work, but have you tried echo'n your command ??
[2:58] <snuggyfoo> I just came across a suggestion of using "cat file.sh | name@server /bin/bash" and that worked
[2:58] <snuggyfoo> not sure if that's what I want though.
[2:59] <snuggyfoo> thanks for the suggestion anyhow
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[3:00] <ShorTie> i was thinking like echo 'dothis'
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[3:03] * [Saint] isn't terribly happy with any situation that leaves a ssh key in plain text sitting around.
[3:03] <snuggyfoo> I don't follow
[3:04] <snuggyfoo> I learned today how to gen/transfer/add ssh keys
[3:04] <snuggyfoo> so im probably doing it wrong
[3:05] <[Saint]> If you want to do it the "right" way, you create a host list in ~/.ssh/config
[3:05] <[Saint]> And, don't include the passphrase in plain text anywhere.
[3:06] <[Saint]> For example: http://pastebin.com/Cm6zxf8U
[3:06] <[Saint]> that way, all I need do is "ssh saint-raspberrypi"
[3:07] <[Saint]> (then it'll ask for the passphrase, which I don't personally think you should delegate the entry thereof to anything)
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[3:08] <[Saint]> user/compression/keepalive is specific to my requirements. A basic ssh config will just have the host and hostname.
[3:08] <snuggyfoo> they way I did it at first was with a passphrase, but then I did key gen and transferred to the client. It's stored in ~/.ssh. Is that not the same as what you say?
[3:08] * lupinedk is now known as Lupinedk
[3:08] <snuggyfoo> to connect I just do ssh name@server, no pass prompt
[3:08] <[Saint]> Does your key not have a passphrase?
[3:08] <[Saint]> Oh God.
[3:09] <snuggyfoo> no
[3:09] <snuggyfoo> O_o
[3:09] <[Saint]> The passphrase adds an additional layer of security, and means that people need more than just your key to get into your machine.
[3:09] <snuggyfoo> I did "ssh-keygen -t rsa"
[3:10] <snuggyfoo> oh ok that must have been in the prompts after that command
[3:10] <[Saint]> That should've asked you for a passphrase, but you may have just hit Enter and left it blank.
[3:10] <ShorTie> is this just on tour own network or going over the net ??
[3:11] <snuggyfoo> Ok, I can redo it. Thank you [Saint].
[3:11] <[Saint]> Even if its local only, its still good practice to secure with a passphrase.
[3:11] <ShorTie> your*
[3:11] <snuggyfoo> Yeah, only local
[3:11] <ShorTie> true
[3:11] <ShorTie> but not as critical
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[3:13] <[Saint]> Well...if someone gets remote access to one machine.
[3:13] <snuggyfoo> well its not too difficult I guess. In any case, I'm glad you pointed that out for my learning.
[3:13] <[Saint]> You'll want to try to limit it to that one machine. :)
[3:13] <snuggyfoo> Good point
[3:14] <[Saint]> Other points of interest are: disable root access for ssh (no one needs root access for ssh, or, anything...really), disable password login, enable access to specific users only (there's a hint of that in my ssh config), etc.
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[3:15] <[Saint]> http://pastebin.com/N8rJqKj4
[3:16] <[Saint]> that'll give you a clue.
[3:16] <[Saint]> (that's my sshd_config
[3:16] <[Saint]> )
[3:17] <snuggyfoo> you have that in ~/.ssh/config, correct?
[3:17] <[Saint]> /etc/ssh/sshd_config
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[3:19] <[Saint]> The big ones, IMO, are: PermitRootLogin no, PermitEmptyPasswords no, and AllowUsers <usernames>.
[3:20] <snuggyfoo> I wonder if there's something out there to sweep your system for these kinds of vulnerabilities
[3:21] <[Saint]> That pretty much makes it impossible that someone could gain ssh access without either kidnapping you, or having full crontrol of your system anyway.
[3:21] <snuggyfoo> There's a windows program liek that but I can't think of the name of it
[3:21] <ShorTie> just don't open port 22 up to the outside
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[3:24] <[Saint]> ...why?
[3:24] <[Saint]> That's kinda silly.
[3:24] <SirLagz> [Saint]: hai
[3:24] <[Saint]> There's absolutely nothign wrong with exposing ssh to the outside world IFF its setup correctly.
[3:25] <[Saint]> (note the extra F in IFF)
[3:25] <SirLagz> my port 22 is open to the outside...but i've whitelisted the IPs that can connect to it
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[3:25] <[Saint]> SirLagz: exactly.
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[3:25] <[Saint]> ALso, howdy.
[3:25] <SirLagz> Used to have a huge range of IPs...now it's down to 3 IPs haha
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[3:27] <[Saint]> I whitelist, limit by username, and have a ridiculous key/passphrase combo.
[3:27] <SirLagz> heh nice
[3:27] <[Saint]> Oh...there's also 2-factor auth if need be)
[3:27] <SirLagz> how did you setup 2 factor ?
[3:27] <[Saint]> If I mess up the passphrase, it'll trigger 2-factor.
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[3:28] <[Saint]> There's a Google Authenticator 2-factor PAM module.
[3:28] <[Saint]> I _think_ I wrote up the magic to get it working as a fallback only, but I can't seem to find it right now.
[3:30] <SirLagz> ah right
[3:30] <SirLagz> interesting
[3:31] <SirLagz> might have a play around with it sometime
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[3:42] * [Saint] learns that Walt Disney's last words were "Kurt Russel", and no one, not even Kurt Russel, knows why.
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[3:44] <SirLagz> [Saint]: random haha
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[3:55] <SirLagz> stupid zenoss....why you no install =/
[3:57] <snuggyfoo> [Saint] Now that my ssh server is key + pw + user protected, do you have any idea how I can execute commands from a client via bash file?
[3:59] <pixels> Is there any specific way I should go about creating a SD Card image with a custom OS on it for a Raspberry Pi?
[4:00] <SirLagz> pixels: build the OS on the Pi, zero out the free space, then take an image of hte SD card ?
[4:03] <pixels> nevermind, found a tutorial, you just replace the .img on the raspbian image
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[4:21] <[Saint]> That's a bloody terrible way of doing it.
[4:21] <[Saint]> Just grab all the kernel/firmware magic off github/
[4:22] <SirLagz> [Saint]: the way I suggested ?
[4:22] <[Saint]> No, bastardizing a Raspbian image.
[4:23] <[Saint]> (for the sake of stealing its /boot partition, one assumes)
[4:23] <[Saint]> Anyhoo - https://github.com/raspberrypi
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[4:30] <SirLagz> [Saint]: haha...funnily enough that's how I started my own Raspbian fork originally :P
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[4:31] <[Saint]> Its kinda obvious, in a way, I guess. But its creating needless work for one's self.
[4:31] <[Saint]> Live & learn. :)
[4:31] <SirLagz> [Saint]: I did my own fork back before all that magic was available :P
[4:31] <SirLagz> when Raspbian could fit on a 2GB SD card haha
[4:31] <[Saint]> ...really? That would be a GPL violation.
[4:32] <[Saint]> I'm pretty sure the sources were there for the kernel from day one.
[4:32] <SirLagz> well. not a fork
[4:32] <SirLagz> kernel sources were, but not all the magical scripts that are available now
[4:32] <almostworking> devs dont like it when people do that, in general
[4:32] <SirLagz> do what ?
[4:33] <[Saint]> What? Forking is one of the prime aspects of FOSS.
[4:33] <[Saint]> If people didn't fork...imagine all the things we wouldn't have.
[4:33] <almostworking> start a fork without permission. .... hmmm, someone did that with ubuntu or mint a long time ago
[4:33] <[Saint]> The license is the permission.
[4:33] <[Saint]> You don't need to ask.
[4:33] <[Saint]> If a developer thinks you do, screw them. Pretty much.
[4:34] <SirLagz> as long as you include the source, you can fork all you want, assuming it's GPL
[4:34] * almostworking sighs
[4:34] <almostworking> just saying someone out there makes a version, unoffical of Linux Mint and its horrible.
[4:34] <[Saint]> I'm not exactly sure what you're sighing about.
[4:34] <[Saint]> People are absolutely within their rights to do so.
[4:34] <[Saint]> And the community as a whole is better for it.
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[4:49] <[Saint]> Ohhhh. DNS. WHy do you hate me so?
[4:50] <SirLagz> what did you break ?
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[4:52] <[Saint]> Pretty much everyting outside my local network.
[4:52] <[Saint]> Y'know...no biggie.
[4:52] <[Saint]> ;)
[4:52] <SirLagz> haha
[4:52] <SirLagz> work network or home network ?
[4:53] <[Saint]> Home. SO not /too/ bad.
[4:53] <SirLagz> HOME NETWOKR DOWN ?!?!!? OMG P1 INCIDENT!!!
[4:53] <SirLagz> lol
[4:54] <SirLagz> my missus would be *very* unhappy with me if i broke my home network because she works from home
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[4:54] <SirLagz> luckily for me, I've started building in redundancy in my home network now :D
[4:55] <SirLagz> still have lots of single points of failure though
[4:55] <[Saint]> I've been trying to remove points of failure from my home network as well.
[4:55] <[Saint]> While slowly replacing hardware as well.
[4:55] <SirLagz> Phone line is unfortunately always going to be a SPOF
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[4:56] <[Saint]> I run a kinda-sorta-maybe-ish ISP, so there's around two dozen households downstream of me.
[4:56] <SirLagz> kinda-sorta-maybe-ish ISP ?
[4:56] <[Saint]> Thankfully, I've segregated the connections some time ago.
[4:57] <[Saint]> I sell the neighbors all-they-can-eat wireless for $10 a month.
[4:57] <SirLagz> ah nice
[4:57] <SirLagz> have you throttled em down to the bare minimum ? lol
[4:58] <SirLagz> nice tidy $240 a month too. nice
[4:58] <[Saint]> Nah, they can get some pretty decent speeds. It doesn't affect me much, I'm on an entirely separate connection.
[4:58] <SirLagz> ah k
[4:58] <SirLagz> were you on VDSL or fibre ? i forget
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[4:59] <[Saint]> VDSL2 still :-/
[4:59] <SirLagz> "still" lol
[4:59] <[Saint]> My fiber connection keeps getting puched back.
[4:59] <SirLagz> that's right
[4:59] <SirLagz> forgetful me heh
[5:00] <[Saint]> Heh. No problem. My memory is terrible. :)
[5:00] <SirLagz> so do you have 2 VDSL2 connections then ?
[5:01] * SirLagz dreams of VDSL
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[5:03] <[Saint]> The only part of my setup the ISp is bitterly unhappy about is the anonymizing Ap I have set up.
[5:03] <[Saint]> But they can't do anything about that, either.
[5:03] <SirLagz> haha
[5:04] <SirLagz> what if your downstream guys look at some shady stuff ? do you get pinged for htat ?
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[5:08] <[Saint]> Yeah, that's the downside. Hence the anonymizing AP.
[5:08] <[Saint]> (but even that would be vulnerable to DPI)
[5:08] <[Saint]> There's a certain amount of trust involved, yes.
[5:08] <SirLagz> [Saint]: yeah that's what I would be worried about if I did what you did
[5:09] <SirLagz> do you keep logs or anything so that *you* know who was looking at shady things ?
[5:09] <[Saint]> But, to be completely honest, the package I'm on seems to be somewhat of a "get out of jail free" card.
[5:09] <SirLagz> what do you mean ?
[5:09] <[Saint]> The ISp even offers "don't throttle the crap out of p-2-p traffic for an extra $10".
[5:09] <[Saint]> lol.
[5:09] <SirLagz> hahaha nice
[5:09] <[Saint]> I'm pretty sure they just look the other way because I pay so much for the bloody connection.
[5:09] <SirLagz> luckily for me, my ISP doesn't throttle P2P traffic
[5:09] <SirLagz> haha
[5:09] <[Saint]> They could've snapped me many times over already.
[5:10] <[Saint]> Your ISP probably doesn't throttle because you can't make a big dent in the bandwidth.
[5:10] <SirLagz> that's true
[5:10] <[Saint]> This is only offered here for the top tier plans where you can suck through hundreds of GB a day easily.
[5:10] * SirLagz dreams of VDSL...again
[5:11] <[Saint]> Blame Gillard...and, everyone before here, for the past...errr....15 years? :)
[5:11] <[Saint]> *before her
[5:11] <SirLagz> haha
[5:11] <SirLagz> about that long yeah
[5:12] <[Saint]> "Upgrade the copper network? What for? We'll have FTTD for *everyone* in a matter of years"
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[5:12] <[Saint]> <crickets chirp, a decade passes>
[5:12] <SirLagz> preeeety much :(
[5:12] <[Saint]> "Ohhh...it'll cost HOW much? Oh...hmmm."
[5:13] * almostworking 150 / 150 fiber
[5:13] <SirLagz> bloody backwards australia :(
[5:14] * [Saint] distinctly recalls envying AU's telecomunications network.
[5:14] <[Saint]> How things change.
[5:15] <SirLagz> and now it's the other way around
[5:15] <SirLagz> [Saint]: if you don't mind me asking, how old are you ?
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[5:27] <[Saint]> 31
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[5:27] <[Saint]> or "too bloody old".
[5:27] <SirLagz> [Saint]: haha
[5:27] <SirLagz> [Saint]: I'm only a few years behind then
[5:28] <[Saint]> Its OK, you're only as old as you feel, or the person you're feeling, and Ms. [Saint] is 22. :)
[5:28] <SirLagz> bahahahahah
[5:29] <SirLagz> I feel 50...but the person I feel is only a year younger than me :( lol
[5:30] <SirLagz> i might need to look at a different voip provider, my missus is burning through credit like no tomorrow =/
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[5:40] <SirLagz> pennytel look ok. I'll use them !
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[5:43] <buddyq> hi guys, I’m wondering if someone can help me. I’ve got a raspberry pi and have raspbmc loaded on there. I have one sd card that is completely setup like I want it with all my skin settings, library etc. Now I am using another sd card just for booting and then loading xbmc from usb stick. But I want to copy my settings from the sd card that has all my settings tot he usb stick. I am connected to my pi through ssh. but I
[5:43] <buddyq> know very little about using Linux.
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[5:46] <buddyq> hi guys, I’m wondering if someone can help me. I’ve got a raspberry pi and have raspbmc loaded on there. I have one sd card that is completely setup like I want it with all my skin settings, library etc. Now I am using another sd card just for booting and then loading xbmc from usb stick. But I want to copy my settings from the sd card that has all my settings tot he usb stick. I am connected to my pi through ssh. but I
[5:46] <buddyq> know very little about using Linux.
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[5:48] <almostworking> image the old SD card, apply image onto new SD card, only thing i can think of.
[5:48] <almostworking> since both are the same version of XBMC?
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[5:56] <buddyq> hmm….do you know if the filestructure is the same on both? Since i’m booting from sd card but using my thumbdrive for xbmc?
[5:56] <buddyq> Not sure how to image my sd card either.
[5:56] <buddyq> not sure = I dont know how
[6:01] <almostworking> oh right.
[6:01] <almostworking> i dunno good question, ive never tried that before
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[6:12] <Sonny_Jim> Reading an image or writing an image?
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[6:13] <almostworking> well reading from USB or SD to another device . it should work fine, i just never done it
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[6:17] <[Saint]> The old man in me says I'd use an intermediary location, due to the inherent fragility of the storage types in question.
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[6:17] <[Saint]> but that may or may not be a real consideration these days.
[6:17] * lazy_prince is now known as killer_prince
[6:17] <[Saint]> I'm just overly cautious.
[6:17] <doctorpenguin> does anyone know how to check the version of retropie? like %command%?
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[6:18] <[Saint]> if it follows a remotely standard practice, it'll likely be -v or -V flag at runtime
[6:18] <buddyq> do you know if everything to do with xbmc lives inside the .xbmc folder?
[6:18] <[Saint]> ./retropie -V (or whatever its called, I honestly don't know)
[6:20] <doctorpenguin> ty
[6:21] <[Saint]> don't thank me unless I'm actually right. :)
[6:21] <SirLagz> haha
[6:21] <doctorpenguin> most answers point me in the right direction b/c I eventually figure them out
[6:21] <doctorpenguin> Its like the flowchart for life on reddit
[6:22] <doctorpenguin> unconsciously wrong > consciously wrong > unconsciously right > consciously right
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[6:23] <[Saint]> That was beautiful, man.
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[6:23] <doctorpenguin> ty
[6:23] <doctorpenguin> but, it wasn't me, it was on reddit
[6:24] <doctorpenguin> https://i.imgur.com/SHjPCJj.jpg
[6:24] <doctorpenguin> thats where I got it from ^ still funny though
[6:25] <almostworking> ha
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[6:30] <grodt> hi
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[6:30] <grodt> anyone know of touch screens that interrface over USB?
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[6:43] <crumb> hey
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[6:43] <crumb> i have a dingleberry pi unit with a non-functioning hdmi port, and it's out of warranty
[6:45] <crumb> if i buy a new unit, and send send the old unit to the retailer, will they know it's an old one?
[6:45] <crumb> for a refund/exchange*
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[6:46] <crumb> it's not my fault upton made broken units for the first batches
[6:48] <crumb> it violates my policy of not buying another dingleberry pi, but as long as i can send back the original
[6:53] <[Saint]> Why not return it withing the 12 month period it was under warranty?
[6:53] <[Saint]> *within
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[6:54] <crumb> [Saint]: it was working then
[6:54] <crumb> it just stopped working suddenly, and i hadn't made any changes to the config
[6:55] <crumb> i'll already be out of money since i paid for the licenses
[6:55] <[Saint]> Since its outside the warranty period, I don't _think_ anyone would honor an exchange.
[6:55] <crumb> i'm aware, that's why i would be tricking the retailer
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[6:56] <crumb> making them think i'm just returning the unit i just bought
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[6:56] <[Saint]> WHat a nice fellow.
[6:56] <almostworking> yea, 0.o
[6:56] <[Saint]> I completely mistook you intentions.
[6:56] <[Saint]> That's pretty messed up.
[6:56] <crumb> i'm the one that got screwed
[6:57] <crumb> with a faulty piece of junk
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[6:57] <crumb> and i was only using it once in a while
[6:57] <crumb> so it's not like it stopped working after heavy use
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[6:57] <[Saint]> So...in turn, you should pass off your perceived losses to some unfortunate retailer.
[6:57] <[Saint]> Great.
[6:57] <crumb> the retailer will just send it back
[6:58] <[Saint]> Ohhhh...so its like, totally victim-less.
[6:58] <[Saint]> Right.
[6:58] <[Saint]> 0_o
[6:58] <crumb> yup
[6:58] <crumb> upton deserves whatever misfortune comes his way
[6:59] <grodt> wjhat is upton
[6:59] <crumb> eben upton
[7:00] <crumb> the shyster?
[7:00] <almostworking> its $40 , i used to drop that on just daily stuff. easy
[7:01] <almostworking> coffee, cigs.
[7:01] <almostworking> etc , gas
[7:01] <crumb> it's a matter of principle
[7:01] <almostworking> no its not.
[7:01] <crumb> it might not be to you
[7:01] <crumb> i'm the one stuck with this piece of junk
[7:02] <almostworking> why do u want another one then. if it sucks and Rasp. pi corp. can suck it ?
[7:03] <crumb> because i'll be getting a free replacement?
[7:03] <crumb> i wouldn't want another one otherwise
[7:05] <almostworking> its not free........ ur ticking the retailer, i dont care what people do , exlcluding pulling me into it........ im some guy on IRC , in the end ur gonna do it, so not sure why trying to talk me into it being ok.......
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[7:05] <crumb> so anyone here that hasn't yet purchased a dingleberry pi.. DON'T.. there's plenty of better arm-based dev boards out there
[7:05] <crumb> even quad cores
[7:06] <gordonDrogon> morning.
[7:06] <crumb> hi
[7:07] <[Saint]> Better is entirely subjective.
[7:08] <crumb> better specs for one
[7:08] <gordonDrogon> crumb, hey, if you don't want your Pi, send it this way.
[7:08] <[Saint]> And many of us have several pis that have served many years faithfully.
[7:08] <crumb> well lucky for them
[7:08] <crumb> gordonDrogon: how much u want for it
[7:09] <crumb> err
[7:09] <[Saint]> Wow...and he's goint to pay you too.
[7:09] <crumb> how much you wanna pay for it
[7:09] <[Saint]> score, gordonDrogon ;p
[7:09] <crumb> :P
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[7:09] <almostworking> i need another one, i might get a more powerful , brand but im not sure, i dont like the new micro SD b+ ,
[7:10] <gordonDrogon> crumb, Hehe.... Not paying for it if it's > 1 year old and faulty.
[7:10] * killer_prince is now known as lazy_prince
[7:10] <crumb> yeah, it's also underpowered for that matter
[7:10] <[Saint]> Like you have to pay for 'em anyway. Though the fact you do is beautiful. :)
[7:10] <grodt> crumb, what happ, you got an rpi and its broken and you want replacement?
[7:11] <crumb> i didn't break anything, it just stopped outputting to hdmi, and it's always been underpowered
[7:11] <crumb> takes like 20-30 seconds for keyboard keys to be registered
[7:11] <almostworking> w/e im playing a 1080p movie right now.
[7:11] <almostworking> w/ mine
[7:12] <crumb> great?
[7:12] <[Saint]> Mine's enabling me to have this very conversation.
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[7:12] <almostworking> nice, bouncer?
[7:12] <almostworking> im gonna put a bot on my 2nd one, + google cloud print all on a VLAN
[7:12] <almostworking> IRC bot*
[7:12] <[Saint]> it runs a quassel-core instance for myself and about 6 other people.
[7:12] <gordonDrogon> crumb, yes, it's underpowered, old, single core, 512MB of RAM, etc. but it's still suitable for what it was intended for; as a teaching tool to help people learn to program.
[7:13] <crumb> i'm sure plenty of things with 700mhz can handle the heavy work load of irc
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[7:13] <[Saint]> small scall. probably only about 200 channels all up.
[7:13] <almostworking> what gordonDrogon said
[7:13] <[Saint]> *scale
[7:13] <crumb> you can program with a regular desktop
[7:13] <gordonDrogon> crumb, and I have to say; that while it's not impossible, I've not yet heard of one who's hdmi has failed.
[7:13] <[Saint]> Not if you don't have one.
[7:14] <gordonDrogon> I'm sure it's not impossible for the hdmi to fail, however it must be rate enough that it's not cropped up here in the past.
[7:14] <crumb> oh, so the target user base is olpc recipients?
[7:15] <[Saint]> you didn't know the target user base of the product you purchased?
[7:15] <[Saint]> Well done.
[7:15] <crumb> well you're the one asserting that people that use them don't have desktops
[7:15] <almostworking> who said that?
[7:15] <[Saint]> I...what?
[7:15] <crumb> crumb you can program with a regular desktop
[7:16] <crumb> [Saint] Not if you don't have one.
[7:16] <SirLagz> do i smell troll
[7:16] <almostworking> oh, program on another machine, remoting into pi ...... i dont hook up pis , to display, headless.
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[7:16] <almostworking> well excluding Rasplex, the media server client thats on a display
[7:17] <[Saint]> SirLagz: its certainly starting to seem that way.
[7:17] <SirLagz> [Saint]: time to get some popcorn then ? :D
[7:18] <[Saint]> Time to go to the grocery store.
[7:18] <[Saint]> But, not for popcorn. :)
[7:18] <almostworking> gahhhhhh, i forgot to make pizza
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[7:18] <SirLagz> [Saint]: lol
[7:19] <gordonDrogon> crumb, the taget base is education - thats what the foundation is all about - educating people. That's been their aim for the past 5 years.
[7:19] <imuglyandimproud> Anyone mind helping me debug an issue with GPIO pins being weird?
[7:19] <gordonDrogon> imuglyandimproud, depends on what library you're using - I'm not much good on Python...
[7:19] <imuglyandimproud> python would be it
[7:20] <gordonDrogon> still... you could use the wiringPi gpio command-line utility to do individual pin checks.
[7:22] <almostworking> ive not got around to python yet , be nice to know prob. since this IRC bot is for python
[7:23] <imuglyandimproud> Well, the issue is within the output pins. For now there's nothing plugged into them, but apparently something is using the channel.
[7:23] <gordonDrogon> which pins?
[7:23] <imuglyandimproud> 17/22
[7:23] <imuglyandimproud> GPIO definiton (BCM)
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[7:23] <gordonDrogon> they're both unallocated to anything.
[7:23] <almostworking> if channel is in use for a pin, does the current change?
[7:25] <gordonDrogon> only if the thing connected to the pin draws (or sinks) current.
[7:25] <gordonDrogon> and the pin is in output mode.
[7:25] <almostworking> ah, ok.
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[7:27] <gordonDrogon> imuglyandimproud, I think the rpi.gpio library has some notion of pins in-use/not in-use, but there's an initialisation call to basically ignore that. I'm more a C programmer than Python though, so don't really know much about the Python side.
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[7:33] <almostworking> i have to figure out this 4k sector drive and linux. ...
[7:33] <almostworking> w/ linux rather
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[7:36] <gordonDrogon> almostworking, make sure the first partition on the drive starts at a 4K boundary.
[7:38] <almostworking> well, i think i did, i aligned it to 1Mib , and aligned, but its working in legacy mode maybe? it says physical sectors 4096 ... but its using 512 locical size gordonDrogon
[7:39] * gordonDrogon ponders. it's been a while since I've done anything special on a 4K disk.
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[7:41] <almostworking> well, its in a ubuntu box, imo, ubuntu shuould know better , not like im running Arch
[7:42] <gordonDrogon> are you seeing performance issues? It's writes that will be very slow if it's wringly aligned.
[7:42] <almostworking> eh, someone at IBM wrote a paper that its not that bad a differnce. i didnt read it too carefully.
[7:42] <gordonDrogon> the underlying filesystem (well ext) uses 4K blocks anyway.
[7:42] <almostworking> no its fastest dive in my computer now
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[7:43] <gordonDrogon> if you're seeing > 100MB/sec writes to it, then it's very probably OK.
[7:43] <almostworking> oh, burst mode is 200MB on sata II !
[7:43] <almostworking> sustained drops down to 130mb approx. i dont remember
[7:43] <almostworking> i just got drive setup not long ago
[7:43] <gordonDrogon> yea, that's usually PC to memory on the drive, not to the platters.
[7:44] <gordonDrogon> yea, 130MB/sec is more like head speed - which is good for a relatively modern drive.
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[7:44] <almostworking> i know. it was at 185Mb for longer then flash RAM on controller could account for thou
[7:45] <gordonDrogon> sounds like its running just fine though.
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[7:45] <almostworking> hmmm, ur prob. right , im the type that has to get to the bottom of it thou, i can do that later thou, transfer my data on it
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[7:47] <imuglyandimproud> anyone familiar with wayland>
[7:48] <SirLagz> almostworking: 4K disk ? What sort of 4K disk is this ?
[7:50] <almostworking> western digital black 3TB drive
[7:50] <almostworking> SirLagz: ^
[7:50] <almostworking> i dont have exact model handy.
[7:50] <SirLagz> ah nice
[7:50] <almostworking> indeed, im quite pleased , $80 more then seagate for a reason
[7:50] <SirLagz> logical size is done by the FS btw
[7:50] <SirLagz> when you partition, you set sector size then
[7:51] <almostworking> manually in terminal ?
[7:52] <almostworking> i didnt see a sector size option in gparted or disk util ..... but i dont have the newest Gparted ofc, being on a LTS distro
[7:52] <SirLagz> almostworking: you can do it in terminal...don't ask me how though, I don't remember haha
[7:52] <almostworking> ha
[7:52] <SirLagz> pretty sure gparted will let you do it too but again, i don't remember for sure
[7:52] <SirLagz> i'm not at hoem to try it out either
[7:52] <almostworking> yea, ill just unplug my other drives make it easy on myself
[7:52] <almostworking> eh, i try gparted on a live USB cant hurt
[7:53] <almostworking> it works fine as is, but ill try and see
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[8:00] <SirLagz> almostworking: just remembered how you would set the sectore size in terminal. when you're creating the filesystem with mkfs.
[8:00] <almostworking> ah, ok
[8:00] <almostworking> awesome
[8:01] <SirLagz> so create the partition with whatever, then create a fs with mkfs.ext4 -b 4096
[8:02] <almostworking> ahh, ok...... seems pretty strait forward
[8:03] <gordonDrogon> it's 4096 by default anyway.
[8:04] <gordonDrogon> dumpe2fs /dev/sda1|grep "Block size"
[8:04] <SirLagz> gordonDrogon: is it ? last time i used it, it was still at 512
[8:04] <gordonDrogon> where /dev/sda1 is your ext4 partition.
[8:04] <doctorpenguin> when I do sudo rm -r %dir%, what does the -r stand for?
[8:04] <gordonDrogon> SirLagz, pretty sure - I think it's determined by the overall size of the disk - and most disks these days are big (compared to the early days)
[8:05] <SirLagz> gordonDrogon: ah. true
[8:05] <gordonDrogon> doctorpenguin, -r recursive - ie. deleted *everything*
[8:05] <doctorpenguin> ty
[8:06] <gordonDrogon> SirLagz, my /dev/sda1 there is a 64GB SSD and I don't recall doing anything special when I set it up..
[8:06] <doctorpenguin> what is he trying to do?
[8:06] <doctorpenguin> curious
[8:07] <doctorpenguin> I had to set mine up to automount and then set the directories in the es_systems.cfg
[8:07] <SirLagz> gordonDrogon: maybe my systems were just too old haha
[8:07] <gordonDrogon> SirLagz, Ah - just checked an older system and it's 1K
[8:07] <gordonDrogon> so maybe good to be explicit...
[8:07] <SirLagz> gordonDrogon: yeah mine's 1K too
[8:08] <SirLagz> gordonDrogon: on a recently installed system, though with smaller drive
[8:08] <gordonDrogon> SirLagz, that older system - has 1K and 4K block sizes - the 1K one is a very small partition - 256M.
[8:09] <gordonDrogon> the other partitions are all 4K
[8:09] <SirLagz> the 1K on mine is on 5GB partition
[8:09] <almostworking> oh lots of chat i missed in here
[8:09] <SirLagz> gordonDrogon: what distro is that on ?
[8:09] <gordonDrogon> SirLagz, debian v6.
[8:09] <SirLagz> gordonDrogon: hmm same here
[8:09] <SirLagz> wonder why
[8:09] <gordonDrogon> it's entirely possible it was v5 upgraded though.
[8:10] <gordonDrogon> that is an older server.
[8:10] <gordonDrogon> uptime 2 years..
[8:10] <SirLagz> nice
[8:10] <gordonDrogon> power on hours for the drives: 51415 or 5 years.
[8:10] <SirLagz> the box I'm looking at was built maybe a year ago, but it's a VM
[8:11] <gordonDrogon> Hm. didn't realise it was that old.
[8:11] * gordonDrogon adds it to the recycle list.
[8:11] <SirLagz> lol
[8:11] <SirLagz> my boxes are at least 5 years old :P
[8:11] <SirLagz> don't have anything newer than that =/
[8:11] <gordonDrogon> this is one of my home/office servers.
[8:12] <almostworking> this drive i have has 4K sectors, 3TB drive , a western digital black drive...... and this should all be working fine by now with linux , im a fanatic most people would read there terminal output and be happy drive is aligned
[8:12] <SirLagz> i don't even align my drives lol...
[8:13] <gordonDrogon> I think after the WDC "EARS" drives most distros cottoned onto the alignment.
[8:14] <SirLagz> ah...i probably don't have any drives that new anyway
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[8:16] <almostworking> the green drives are 4k now too?
[8:16] <SirLagz> almostworking: apparently so
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[8:16] <SirLagz> almostworking: http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/wd-4k-sector,2554-3.html
[8:16] <almostworking> 4k makes alot of sense, WD should have gone about it another way thou, that 1st gen they made
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[8:17] <almostworking> hm, yep thats it, toms hardware i like that site
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[8:27] <doctorpenguin> hey gordonDrogon, whats a good memory split for a 256 model B?
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[8:30] <gordonDrogon> I use 64MB which lets me run minecraft on it.
[8:30] <gordonDrogon> but if only running X, then 16 is fine.
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[8:41] <doctorpenguin> lol "* Disconnected (Invalid argument)"
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[8:42] <almostworking> 0.o
[8:43] <doctorpenguin> whats that mean out of curiosity ^ irc client error?
[8:45] <almostworking> it could be a range of things.
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[8:45] <almostworking> based on what i saww, there was a pretty big lag between the frenode servers. is just a guess on my part.
[8:46] <doctorpenguin> ah
[8:46] <doctorpenguin> I can imagine
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[8:46] <doctorpenguin> too many channels
[8:46] <doctorpenguin> lol
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[8:46] <doctorpenguin> but, all the self-entitled narcissistic ivy league schools have taken it upon themselves to add themselves to this server was my observation
[8:47] <doctorpenguin> stanford, harvard, MIT I think too
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[8:47] <doctorpenguin> thought it was pretty lolsy; ya know almostworking?
[8:49] <almostworking> really?
[8:49] <doctorpenguin> yep
[8:49] <almostworking> must be people to troll the ivy legugers?
[8:49] <doctorpenguin> I saw a stanford channel, an MIT channel, and a harvard channel on here
[8:49] <almostworking> their channels are prob. PW protected ?
[8:49] <doctorpenguin> idk
[8:49] <doctorpenguin> u can try
[8:50] <doctorpenguin> just search: Harv, MI, Stan
[8:51] <almostworking> hmm, i might check it out later
[8:51] <doctorpenguin> I think its funny that just b/c they are surrounding by people who test better then the average person and b/c of that pay more; they think that it will end up with a more valuable education.
[8:52] <doctorpenguin> I think a couple other parts of our society thought eugentic like segregated societies were 'better'
[8:54] <almostworking> eh, they dont bother me that much, an ivoy tower point of view is normal
[8:54] <doctorpenguin> I don
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[8:54] <doctorpenguin> I don't believe in the 'status quo'
[8:55] <doctorpenguin> I believe in an inclusive society that shares all the wealth of its knowledge, not the bitter thieves that market and profit off of other peoples ideas; claim them as their own; and then start to slowly take over a supposed system for freedom and justice for all
[8:55] <doctorpenguin> some*
[8:57] <doctorpenguin> what irony
[8:58] <doctorpenguin> so almostworking, do you do IT as a hobby or profession?
[8:59] <doctorpenguin> I do it as a hobby and hope do eventually as a profession
[9:00] <almostworking> both, ive not done professionally in some time now
[9:00] <doctorpenguin> I'm autistic and have a severe society anxiety part of the disorder
[9:01] <almostworking> then 1st thing we should do is stop the patent trolls that cost companies millions and stop dev. imo
[9:01] <almostworking> oh ic
[9:01] <doctorpenguin> I'm actually writing a professional paper for part of my degree on it but, it has hampered my attempts to do IT professionally
[9:02] <doctorpenguin> I doubt anything will happen in a country that has a deadlocked political system partially controlled by those same people
[9:02] <almostworking> ic , school is important, imo .
[9:02] <doctorpenguin> prime example: the director of the FCC
[9:02] <almostworking> yea, i know al about it.
[9:03] <doctorpenguin> what a joke right?
[9:04] <grodt> hi friends
[9:06] <doctorpenguin> hey
[9:08] <james_olympus> Good morning
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[9:18] <grodt> how are you doctorpenguin and james_olympus
[9:19] <doctorpenguin> eh, I'm ok
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[9:19] <doctorpenguin> tired and don't want to write/read anymore. Writing a professional paper for school inbetween programming/configuring
[9:19] <doctorpenguin> isn't the worst spot I've been in though
[9:20] <grodt> doctorpenguin, what you programmming
[9:20] <doctorpenguin> I once wrote a 20 pg research paper non-stop for 48 hours and received a B+ from an ivy league overseas
[9:20] <doctorpenguin> python
[9:20] <doctorpenguin> I went to a school in the Czech Republic and Poland last year
[9:20] <grodt> cool!
[9:20] <grodt> what do you use rpi for
[9:21] <doctorpenguin> python?
[9:21] <doctorpenguin> mainly math
[9:21] <doctorpenguin> I use it for project euler
[9:21] <doctorpenguin> I wrote a quartic equation calculator the other day
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[9:22] <grodt> no the rpi
[9:22] <grodt> or is that where you run that script
[9:22] <doctorpenguin> o you mean like spyder?
[9:22] <doctorpenguin> I use spyder or however you spell it as a ide
[9:22] <grodt> doctorpenguin, I meant to say, what do you use your rpi for
[9:23] <doctorpenguin> sec
[9:24] <doctorpenguin> o raspberry pi?
[9:24] <doctorpenguin> I use it for retropi
[9:24] <doctorpenguin> I want to create a mini-arcade for me and my dad.
[9:24] <doctorpenguin> then I might want to use the raspberry pi to build a drone
[9:25] <doctorpenguin> I found some school schems/designs
[9:26] <grodt> doctorpenguin, whats retro games you like or what platform
[9:26] <grodt> sounds cool
[9:26] <doctorpenguin> I like mame
[9:26] <doctorpenguin> and n64
[9:26] <doctorpenguin> and gbadv
[9:26] <doctorpenguin> I remember getting an N64 as a kid. Best gift ever.
[9:26] <grodt> does your dad like neogeo
[9:26] <doctorpenguin> He said he played snes in his day
[9:27] <grodt> not cool
[9:27] <doctorpenguin> u don't like snes?
[9:27] <grodt> no, nintendo is meant for docile people
[9:27] <doctorpenguin> lol
[9:28] <grodt> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-cIvo8flaBc
[9:28] <grodt> see the ending part?
[9:28] <doctorpenguin> I loved nintendo b4 it started doing crazy innovations like the motion controller
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[9:28] <doctorpenguin> if it didn't create the wii; I probably would still be playing on nintendo
[9:28] <grodt> i loved goldeneye and mario kart
[9:29] <doctorpenguin> creating the wii was the equivalent of nintendo jumping off a bridge
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[9:30] <doctorpenguin> I used to buy nintendo games like nonstop. In 2007 I donated over 200 games to charity.
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[9:30] <doctorpenguin> grodt, what do u use rpi for?
[9:31] <grodt> dont have one, will buy one soon
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[9:31] <doctorpenguin> ah
[9:31] <grodt> no real plans, but seems neato
[9:31] <doctorpenguin> I used the money from my left over scholarships/grants. I'm graduating this yr.
[9:32] <grodt> its 35 bucks
[9:32] <grodt> ?
[9:32] <doctorpenguin> I'm a very cheap person
[9:32] <doctorpenguin> I don't work so money is tight for my hobbies.
[9:33] <doctorpenguin> I have severe society anxiety. It is often ironic. I hate being around people but, I get lonely.
[9:33] <doctorpenguin> I'm kind of in a screwed if I do/don't position
[9:33] <grodt> doctorpenguin, how do you deal with it
[9:34] <doctorpenguin> I just meditate, play video games, exercise, try as best as I can to be honest.
[9:34] <doctorpenguin> I hate it but, unless I want to be drugged out of my mind of pills I have too
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[9:34] <doctorpenguin> legal pills
[9:34] <doctorpenguin> anti psychotics
[9:34] <grodt> f the pills
[9:35] <doctorpenguin> When I take them, I don't even know who I am anymore
[9:35] <doctorpenguin> My dream is to do electronics engineering/programming at a college
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[9:35] <grodt> to me, it seems drugs like that are heavily used only in american/western societies
[9:35] <doctorpenguin> the medical industry is horrible grodt
[9:36] <doctorpenguin> in the US
[9:36] <doctorpenguin> they are the only ones to offer care/help with medical issues but, look for a profit margin b4 actually helping nyone
[9:36] <doctorpenguin> My families religious ties saved my life from cancer 3 years ago
[9:37] <doctorpenguin> a catholic doctor saved my life from two episodes of cancer
[9:37] <doctorpenguin> even though I'm not religious
[9:37] <grodt> doctorpenguin, population control
[9:37] <doctorpenguin> I appreciated it
[9:37] <doctorpenguin> I also used to be epileptic
[9:37] <grodt> they have all the money to go demolish countries but no money for proper healthcare
[9:37] <grodt> glad you are better
[9:38] <doctorpenguin> ya me 2 but, tbh life is even harder just living.
[9:38] <grodt> doctorpenguin, it shouldnt be like that
[9:39] <doctorpenguin> ya I know but, American Society is pretty horrible. I'm fortunate to have really good parents.
[9:39] <doctorpenguin> If not I would probably be homeless or dead
[9:40] <grodt> yes, good parents make a huge difference
[9:40] <doctorpenguin> anonymity though is a powerful too. I often talk about it to my anthro professors and the threat the NSA poses to the entirety of the world
[9:40] <doctorpenguin> tool*
[9:40] <doctorpenguin> they threaten too destroy what so many have spent their lives creating; technology, the internet,
[9:41] <grodt> that snowden stuff is just another psyop
[9:41] <doctorpenguin> the internet is itself a leveler in American society and around the world. I can't imagine it not existing or being sold to the highest bidder
[9:41] <grodt> they are just trying to let you slowly know you are in a panopticon
[9:42] <doctorpenguin> irregardless, what happened happened and now we have to deal with it
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[9:43] <doctorpenguin> so what country r u from grodt? England? you don't have to answer if u don't want too
[9:43] <doctorpenguin> I'm from the US obviously
[9:43] <grodt> Pakistan, born in USA, used to live near NSA
[9:43] <grodt> now im in the south
[9:43] <doctorpenguin> ah cool
[9:44] <doctorpenguin> horrible what is happening around there / Gaza
[9:44] <doctorpenguin> I feel remorse for the mindless zombie of a country the US has become
[9:45] <doctorpenguin> at least it is helping build up Ukraine though
[9:45] <grodt> zombies indeed
[9:45] <doctorpenguin> One of my best friends is from Ukraine
[9:45] <doctorpenguin> and my family was originally from Czech Republic/Poland
[9:46] <doctorpenguin> half escapes the Nazi Slaughter, the other half; we dk
[9:46] <doctorpenguin> escaped*
[9:46] <grodt> people are not confident
[9:46] <grodt> in themselves to make a change
[9:47] <grodt> yall should play power disc you and your pops
[9:47] <grodt> I meant Wind Jammers
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[9:48] <doctorpenguin> Although I have to say, Israel should not be able to do what it is doing, just b/c of what happened. It does not mean that it has permission to commit its own atrocities.
[9:49] <grodt> but they are gods chosen people
[9:49] <doctorpenguin> thats what I said to some of my Jewish friends
[9:49] <Sonny_Jim> Off topic
[9:49] <Sonny_Jim> BTW Windjammers is awesome
[9:49] <doctorpenguin> I've been off topic for a while
[9:49] <doctorpenguin> btw ok
[9:49] <Sonny_Jim> Yeah, but this is likely to illicit all kinds of grief
[9:49] <doctorpenguin> what platform is it on?
[9:49] <Sonny_Jim> Neogeo
[9:49] <grodt> doctorpenguin, neogeo
[9:49] <doctorpenguin> ah cool
[9:49] <grodt> rpi can run neogeo fine?
[9:50] <doctorpenguin> neo genesis?
[9:50] <Sonny_Jim> Yeah should do
[9:50] <doctorpenguin> curious
[9:50] <Sonny_Jim> gngeo works I think
[9:50] <Sonny_Jim> Nothing to do with the Sega Genesis, was made by a Japanese company called SNK
[9:50] <Sonny_Jim> Well, actually it had the same CPU as the Genesis, but relegated to sound/joystick reading dutys
[9:51] <Sonny_Jim> They had a much beefier CPU for the graphics
[9:51] <doctorpenguin> ah cool
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[9:51] <Sonny_Jim> Ah actually it was the same CPU, Motorola 68k and Z80
[9:52] <Sonny_Jim> But the Neogeo was clocked faster and had oodles of memory
[9:54] <Sonny_Jim> Only really rich kids had a Neo Geo, as it effectively was an arcade system for your home
[9:54] <doctorpenguin> I wish retropie had wicd installed by default. It is a much better network tool then the default now. Ya know Sonny_Jim?
[9:54] <Sonny_Jim> iirc games were in the region of $200
[9:54] <Sonny_Jim> I've never used it
[9:54] <doctorpenguin> someone suggested it here and it used to be default on ubuntu
[9:54] <doctorpenguin> but, I installed it for an easy gui tool for wireless/wired connections
[9:54] * Sonny_Jim shrugs
[9:55] <Sonny_Jim> I just boot up X if I want a easier config
[9:55] <Sonny_Jim> well, xorg + x11vnc + vncviewer
[9:55] <doctorpenguin> ya me 2
[9:55] <doctorpenguin> but, the interface by default is buggy
[9:55] <Sonny_Jim> In what way?
[9:56] <doctorpenguin> the network interface tool wpa_gui is buggy and easily corruptable
[9:56] <doctorpenguin> saved my fathers wireless network and the schools in wpa_supplicant and then became unfixable for me at least at my experience level
[9:56] <doctorpenguin> no matter what guide/edit I did I could not get it to work
[9:57] * [Saint] uses nmcli
[9:57] <grodt> i saw 500 buck neogeo ames
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[9:57] <doctorpenguin> lol
[9:57] <doctorpenguin> serious?
[9:57] <doctorpenguin> amazon or ebay?
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[9:58] <grodt> when I was like 8
[9:58] <grodt> at the mall
[9:58] <grodt> Babbages
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[9:59] <doctorpenguin> Lol
[9:59] <doctorpenguin> I told my friend. I have the most legit roms ever for mame considering I can just go out and buy them; *cough*
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[10:01] <Sonny_Jim> Brand new they were very expensive, as I said it was identical to the arcade version
[10:03] <doctorpenguin> is the front end to like mythtv or mythbuntu easy to configure for raspbmc btw?
[10:03] <doctorpenguin> just curious
[10:03] <doctorpenguin> I'm debating building a mythtv or mythbuntu config
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[10:04] <doctorpenguin> Have you ever configured 1, grodt or Sonny_Jim?
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[10:06] <SiC> how do you write an image to a raspberry pi compute?
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[10:07] <lost_soul> SiC: dd?
[10:07] <SiC> but how?
[10:07] <SiC> do you plug it in and it becomes a drive?
[10:07] <ShorTie> mythtv is ok, but depending on what you want you might l00k into vdr
[10:07] <SiC> the eMMC is on the module
[10:07] <SiC> the 4gb eMMC is on the module
[10:08] <lost_soul> doctorpenguin: wouldn't using a normal system be better... would seem like tv cards would be faster on the pci bus than they would be on usb
[10:08] <SiC> ah, n/m -> http://www.raspberrypi.org/documentation/hardware/computemodule/cm-emmc-flashing.md
[10:08] <lost_soul> SiC: dd if="myimage.img" of=/dev/mydevice
[10:08] <doctorpenguin> I haven't really thought about it. I usually go down the hobby route into the metaphysical cloud and then do error correcting like that
[10:08] <[Saint]> mythtv can be a complete _nightmare_.
[10:09] <doctorpenguin> My friend who is a pro IT'er said the config was easy
[10:09] <ShorTie> i hear that, lol.
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[10:09] <doctorpenguin> my friend; lets call him Bob. Works for a firm in a big city and he programs in Java, Python, C professionally and is a lead dev
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[10:10] <doctorpenguin> what so bad about mythtv?
[10:10] <doctorpenguin> I mean its a free dvr
[10:10] <doctorpenguin> right?
[10:10] <ShorTie> so is vdr
[10:10] <doctorpenguin> I've never heard of vdr
[10:10] <doctorpenguin> can you list the pros / cons of each?
[10:10] <ShorTie> but vdr is alot complicated
[10:12] <[Saint]> mythtv isn't?
[10:12] <ShorTie> alot less*
[10:12] <[Saint]> ah.
[10:12] <Haxxa> anyone tried hummingboard or banna pi
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[10:13] <[Saint]> I suspect several people have.
[10:14] <Haxxa> I reckon not too many in this channel may have though?
[10:14] <[Saint]> That's possible.
[10:14] <Haxxa> I'm asking... :) ANyone?
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[10:14] <shiftplusone> Haxxa, try the banana pi forum or the cubox irc channel? =S
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[10:15] <Haxxa> no thank you - I want opinions from those who have owned a pi
[10:16] <doctorpenguin> I have heard about it but, haven't bought one
[10:16] <doctorpenguin> I mainly used to use arduino then moved to pi
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[10:19] <Bhaal> Hey, possible silly question as I cannot see anything in docs etc, but is there any way of exposing the USB bus over the gpio header?
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[10:21] <Bhaal> Eh... Doesn't matter...
[10:21] <doctorpenguin> I just played guess/check
[10:22] <doctorpenguin> sudo nano fstab; add usb8 usb9 usb10 assign /dev/sda , /dev/sda2 . /dev/sda3 mount x y z
[10:22] <shiftplusone> Bhaal, nope
[10:23] <doctorpenguin> whats adv mame btw?
[10:23] <doctorpenguin> sounds ba
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[10:29] <doctorpenguin> Do you need a bios for n64?
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[10:34] <SiC> thats one thing I wished they did in the b+
[10:34] <SiC> put a USB port through the gpio
[10:35] <shiftplusone> There's only one usb port available O_o wouldn't make sense to have it going to the hub and gpio
[10:36] <doctorpenguin> btw to install themes, do you just need to put it in /etc/emulationstation/themes?
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[10:37] <mfa298> Haxxa: I've started playing with the Banana Pi however unless you want to try their prebuilt images (which I'm not sure I'd trust e.g. http://forum.lemaker.org/viewthread.php?tid=1336&extra=page%3D1) you'll find it's a lot of work to get running and not a lot of good documentation from the people making the board. Or more simply if you're learning and want something with a good community and documentation stick to the Raspberry Pi.
[10:37] <Vostok> SiC: any documentation on that?
[10:37] <Haxxa> thank you for insight
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[10:39] <doctorpenguin> ^ anyone?
[10:40] <lost_soul> doctorpenguin: the documentation for the emulator you're using should explain where to place themes
[10:40] <doctorpenguin> asking a yes or no question seems simpler
[10:40] <almostworking> wonder if humming board is good?
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[10:43] <gordonDrogon> almostworking, it might be, it might not be - who knows. if you ask here, some folks will just say it's not a Raspberry Pi, if you ask on a hummingboard forum/channel, then they'll say it's good. it all depends what you want it for, etc.
[10:44] <lost_soul> the Bananna Pi has SATA, nice
[10:44] <lost_soul> and gigabit ethernet
[10:45] <almostworking> the hummingboard has that, no sata which is fine for me
[10:46] <almostworking> oh, gordonDrogon , for media client ...... i might use one as a google cloud print server + IRC bot.... eh, not sure what else
[10:46] <lost_soul> SATA would be nice to have in some instances, quite unnecessary for others
[10:47] <lost_soul> either way both boards look promising
[10:48] <almostworking> i can agree to that
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[11:24] <Davespice> folks, anyone know the URL to follow Dave Akerman's baloon test flight today?
[11:24] <Davespice> not sure if he is actually streaming it
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[11:57] <mfa298> Davespice: ssdv.habhub.org for the images. then one of these for the telemetry plot http://habmap.philcrump.co.uk/ http://spacenear.us/tracker/ http://habhub.org/mt
[11:57] <Davespice> thanks mfa298 :)
[11:58] <mfa298> Davespice: you may also want to join #highaltitude as that's where the people tracking it will be discussing it (possibly also including some updates from Dave Akerman)
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[12:38] <[Saint]> Someone of thing with access to a reasonable volume of machines thinks there's soemthing they want on the other end of my router
[12:38] <[Saint]> My logs are getting hammered.
[12:39] <[Saint]> About 200 or so unique addresses trying chargen/dictionary attacks within ms of each other.
[12:39] <[Saint]> ...what did *I* do to you, Internet?
[12:41] <[Saint]> There's a massive amount of diversity in the addresses.
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[12:45] <MY123> [Saint]: IPv6 will make that worse.
[12:46] <[Saint]> But its very much a necessity.
[12:47] <[Saint]> NZ and Australia (et al) are going to run out of IPv4 addresses to sell soon, and then everyone'll be screwed.
[12:47] <[Saint]> Think of the children!
[12:48] <[Saint]> Hundreds of thousands of children are born daily and deserve unique addresses! ;p
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[12:52] <MY123> In France, only 30k or so addresses remaining. Unique addresses per person will be very good for intelligence and spy agencies (NSA & co.).
[12:53] <[Saint]> And, if we want to set up a LAN between every atom in the universe.
[12:53] <[Saint]> y'know...just 'cos.
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[13:20] <whiskers75> when are licence keys emailed?
[13:21] <whiskers75> building a pi HTPC, the live TV has no video (it's MPEG2 of course)
[13:21] <Dave77> are there any 1GB raspberry pis?
[13:22] <shiftplusone> Dave77, nope
[13:22] <shiftplusone> It's not really needed, since running out of the 512 takes some effort and/or stupidity
[13:22] <Dave77> so no industrial customers got a 1GB pi?
[13:24] <shiftplusone> nope
[13:24] <shiftplusone> the SoC just wouldn't be able to address it and nobody makes a 1GB RAM chip in that PoP package which would on top of it anyway.
[13:24] <Dave77> thought samsung made a 1gb?
[13:24] <shiftplusone> in that exact package?
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[13:30] <whiskers75> when are licence keys emailed?
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[13:34] <whiskers75> woot, got them
[13:34] <whiskers75> thank you raspberry pi overlord ;P
[13:34] <lost_soul> patience is a virtue, eh
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[13:36] <doctorpenguin> good morning #RaspberryPi, has anyone had any luck with Muppen64Plus?
[13:37] <doctorpenguin> I'm trying to get the n64 emulator working; || does anyone have any guides about that component of raspPi?
[13:37] <MY123> shiftplusone: Yes, but it costs 15 dollars a chip and is proof of concept. Hynix even made a 2GB one which costs an arm and a leg.
[13:37] <shiftplusone> If that's true, it's there's still the SoC support issue.
[13:38] <lost_soul> doctorpenguin: did you look at the github page for the release made for the Pi?
[13:38] <doctorpenguin> yes
[13:38] <whiskers75> Woo, live TV with pi!
[13:38] <doctorpenguin> I can send u the link but, it just says that the emulator doesn't work well much like the comments on the forums
[13:39] <SiC> I reckon raspberry pi 2 will have 1gb ram
[13:39] <Darkwell> hmm
[13:39] <doctorpenguin> dated 7/6/14
[13:39] <MY123> shiftplusone: An open-source bootcode and firmware resolves that problem.
[13:39] <SiC> and I suspect they'll change the SoC too
[13:39] <Darkwell> checking torrent clients on the web for rpi
[13:39] <shiftplusone> doubt it
[13:39] <lost_soul> doctorpenguin: then it is a good indication it doesn't work very well. Perhaps try another emulator?
[13:39] <Armand> They'll have to change the CPU for rPi2 anyway.. Duh.
[13:39] <Darkwell> some one said rtorrent wont be recommended in rpi... which i find vary strange since its one of the most resource efficent client there is for linux
[13:40] <Darkwell> but ofcourse if one use a bad config it could be the opposite
[13:40] <doctorpenguin> why bother including it in an update if it doesn't work, doesn't that seem pointless?
[13:40] <lost_soul> Darkwell: that surprises me as well considering OpenELEC has an addon for rtorrent and many ppl that want an HTPC use openelec on the pi
[13:40] <Darkwell> rpi 2 1 G ram an OTG uisbn ?
[13:40] <MY123> shiftplusone: A 22nm LPDDR2 chip can have 1GByte and be cheap enough in big volumes (but the current ones are 40nm).
[13:40] <doctorpenguin> no offense, lost_soul; just curious
[13:41] <Darkwell> rpi 2 1 G ram an OTG usb ???
[13:41] <lost_soul> doctorpenguin: the question you pose is indeed a good one, perhaps getting in touch with the person that maintains the github repository would be your best bet.
[13:41] <Darkwell> yeah it can jhave 1G ram and usb OTG and good graph card and be cheap look at olinuxino
[13:41] <shiftplusone> Darkwell, there is no rpi 2
[13:41] <Dave77> are there any download managers for RPI?
[13:41] <shiftplusone> wait until 2017 before thinking about pi 2
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[13:42] <lost_soul> doctorpenguin: I take no offense, I wouldn't even attempt using software that even the maintainer says doesn't work well.
[13:42] <doctorpenguin> k
[13:43] <doctorpenguin> might try to fix it anyway
[13:43] <SiC> I reckon rpi 2 will come before 2017
[13:43] <doctorpenguin> says it works fine on windows/mac osx
[13:43] <Armand> Darkwell: I can't see much point to having OTG, unless you care to enlighten me,
[13:43] <MY123> A RPi 2 is NOT needed. Run everything on the VPU.
[13:43] <doctorpenguin> I don't see why it wouldn't work on linux b/c the previous are ports lost_soul
[13:43] <doctorpenguin> or forks*
[13:44] <lost_soul> doctorpenguin: what you are failing to realize is that those are different hardware platforms
[13:44] <lost_soul> just because something works fine on one, does not mean the same will hold true for another.
[13:44] <Darkwell> it depends on what you want to do , for instance a more flexible media stations could be supported with another rpi design
[13:45] <Darkwell> having a non power hungry and flexible machine is always needed =)
[13:45] <lost_soul> agreed ^^
[13:45] <Armand> Still not seeing the relevance to OTG, but.. eehh
[13:46] <Darkwell> well many TVs has usb ports and can read usb disks/memsticks etc
[13:46] <Darkwell> those tvs has powerful video decoders so then the rpi can act as a disk
[13:46] <Armand> Why would I not just get a USB drive?
[13:46] <Darkwell> you can do so with cheapo s,smartphones sowhy not with rpi
[13:47] <MY123> The currrent Pi is dual-core. No speed issue, Darkwell .
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[13:47] <Darkwell> also you could cluster 3 rpis together 2 as "disks" to a 3rd
[13:47] <SiC> is it?
[13:47] <SiC> or are you counting the gpu as another core?
[13:47] <lost_soul> the B+ is a dual core?
[13:47] <Armand> No
[13:48] <Darkwell> because an usb drive has no own file serving
[13:48] <Darkwell> having OTG would add flexibility woithout extra costs
[13:48] <MY123> Yes, there is two "VP̈U" cores on which currently run start.elf but are general-purpose, SiC .
[13:49] <MY123> Every Pi ever made is tri-core.
[13:49] <SiC> you can't run code on them trivially though
[13:49] <SiC> what is the processing core? its not arm based?
[13:49] <Armand> ARM11
[13:50] <SiC> no I mean in the gpu/vpu
[13:50] <shiftplusone> The RPI is dual core in the sense of the word that nobody uses, ever.
[13:50] <MY123> Yes, it is a dual-core VPU. Not ARM based, SiC, designed 100 percent by BCM.
[13:50] <shiftplusone> you could say it's 16 core, but that would be just as wrong.
[13:50] <SiC> so not really dual core
[13:51] <MY123> I have my RTOS running on it shiftplusone , it is the freeblob plan.
[13:51] <SiC> you could start declaring that the processors in the usb/ethernet controller is an extra processor
[13:51] <SiC> so its a dual processor board
[13:51] <SiC> :p
[13:51] <Darkwell> hmm
[13:51] <shiftplusone> MY123, all moot until it's released and sufficiently functional.
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[13:52] <Darkwell> using rpi as non X , you could make use of the vpu for ither tasks now when you preocess no graphics ?
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[13:53] <Darkwell> instead of overclock the cpu.. try to make use of the vpu
[13:54] <shiftplusone> Not unless you want to waste time porting it all to vpu asm or write a proper C compiler for the vpu.
[13:54] <Darkwell> but perhaps the bus to the rest of the machine is too clow to be useful
[13:55] <Darkwell> well it could be fun having a distro for those who knows they never will use the hdmi/graphics and run as server only
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[13:55] <Armand> ^ +++
[13:55] <shiftplusone> Darkwell, you can use it even if you 'have graphics'.
[13:56] <Darkwell> its always an initial waste of time when coding drivers/kernel/os before its done and compile binaries for it.. but it always are people that has to do the job,...
[13:56] <shiftplusone> oh I don't think it's a waste of time
[13:56] <shiftplusone> I think trying to do it in asm is
[13:57] <Darkwell> why do you ahve to do it in asm ?
[13:57] <shiftplusone> but if anyone gets gcc or llvm compiling for the VPU, that would be amazing.
[13:57] <MY123> shiftplusone: will release a "Hello World" UART sample(or linpack!), who is for?
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[13:58] <shiftplusone> Darkwell, because there are no real C compilers freely available yet.
[13:58] <Darkwell> define real c compilers =)
[13:59] <Darkwell> the vpu hardware documentation is closed ?
[13:59] <MY123> 12:57:54 PM MY123 C89 and Fortran works with the ACK, shiftplusone .
[14:00] <shiftplusone> Darkwell, something that can take C99 or C11 code and spit out a binary that works >_<
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[14:00] <shiftplusone> Darkwell, yes, it's closed, but huge chunks of it have been reverse engineered. Look up hermanhermitage on github.
[14:00] <MY123> Darkwell: 100 percent reverse-enginnered.
[14:00] <shiftplusone> ...nowhere near 100%
[14:01] <Darkwell> how much does it cost to get documentation ?
[14:02] <MY123> shiftplusone: I finished RE the L1 and L2C controller yesterday.The things missing are the HW registers.
[14:02] <MY123> But they are not part of the VPU.
[14:02] <Darkwell> i mean someone could raise a kickstarter funding to buy documentation an hire coders and sign nda to get bsd/lpgl code for the cpu
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[14:02] <shiftplusone> Darkwell, I've heard there are plans to release it anyway.
[14:03] <Darkwell> vpu not cpu dorry
[14:03] <Darkwell> aha ok
[14:03] <Darkwell> thats logical to push the machine further forward in useability in time
[14:03] <MY123> Darkwell: Do you want a hello world VPU sample?
[14:04] <Darkwell> no samples =)
[14:04] <MY123> I have one: http://uppit.com/vu67fl81lxzf/start_3.elf
[14:05] <Darkwell> if the docs are planned to be released then a fundraiser for bsd/lgpl code for the vpu isnt needed, but since its jsut rumours i would vote for aiming for a fundraiser at say kickstarter
[14:05] <MY123> Darkwell: Prepare an UART adap̂tor and rename it to start.elf.
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[14:05] <Darkwell> for buying access to docs and hiring coders
[14:05] <MY123> Darkwell: Fully RE so not needed to buy docs?
[14:05] <MY123> *.
[14:05] <gordonDrogon> Darkwell, I think it's more than just money that Broadcom want for the docs.
[14:06] <Darkwell> money + nda for the coders
[14:06] <Darkwell> lgpl would do here i think
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[14:06] <gordonDrogon> I suspect you also need NDAs and some sort of commitment to Broadcom about their usage.
[14:07] <Darkwell> nda for the parts not shared and cprecompiled then do a wrapper system to have API
[14:07] <Darkwell> for compiling whatever you need/want
[14:07] <MY123> gordonDrogon: View the start_3.elf above and try it.
[14:07] <gordonDrogon> MY123, I'd like to view the source code you used to generate it - and see details of your toolchain.
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[14:08] <Darkwell> so the coders task it to write a system that are openly documented while the internals of the vpu is still a secret ( precompioed driver
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[14:08] <Darkwell> i dont trust .elf files like that.. =)nfor a reason
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[14:08] <gordonDrogon> MY123, your link won't wget for me. I can't fetch it.
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[14:09] * shiftplusone goes back to work
[14:09] <gordonDrogon> and you're using a site that links to ads for porn. that's very not on here.
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[14:10] <Darkwell> linking trojan backdoor =)
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[14:10] <gordonDrogon> boot MY123 linking to porn sites
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[14:10] <gordonDrogon> Bother.
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[14:14] * SiC just uses adblock plus
[14:14] <SiC> cleans up the internet no end
[14:14] <gordonDrogon> its' great, but we want to be family friendly here in the first place.
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[14:19] <whiskers75> is here the place to ask about OpenELEC issues?
[14:19] <whiskers75> I'm guessing not
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[14:25] <gordonDrogon> whiskers75, you might get lucky and find someone here who's using it...
[14:26] <crumb> whiskers75: #openelc
[14:27] <crumb> elec*
[14:30] <SirLagz> I'm using OpenELEC, just not on the Pi lol
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[14:56] <MY123> My ELF toolchain is github.com/mm120/binutils-vc4 with the ACK compiler from David Given. Can upload to (src code) to GIThub. Open the link on a web browser, gordonDrogon .
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[14:56] <MY123> Not my link.Uploaded by aaa801,gordonDrogon
[14:59] <gordonDrogon> MY123, I did open it with a web browser - chromium - which promptly popped up a link to a porn site. please do not post such links here again.
[14:59] <MY123> gordonDrogon: Not my link, go to PM to see explanation.
[15:00] <gordonDrogon> got it.
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[15:00] <shiftplusone> Doesn't matter who uploaded it. Don't link porn, whether you filmed it or not.
[15:00] <IT_Sean> Gooooooooooooooooooooooooood morning.
[15:00] <MY123> shiftplusone: Was using ADblock so not detected.
[15:01] <shiftplusone> that's understandable. I didn't spot it either.
[15:01] <shiftplusone> IT_Sean, hi
[15:02] <IT_Sean> Hey Shift.
[15:02] <shiftplusone> Got a B+?
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[15:03] <IT_Sean> Not yet.
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[15:03] <IT_Sean> I was going to order one, but e14 had the price jacked right up, so...
[15:04] <IT_Sean> I'll order one from Adafruit the next time I put in an order there.
[15:04] <MY123> IT_Sean: You can try RS.
[15:04] <MY123> Allied Electronics in the US.
[15:06] <shiftplusone> IT_Sean, newark has a more consumer friendly arm... whatever that's called... MCM? Same price?
[15:06] <IT_Sean> Noted.
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[15:12] <MY123> Who wants my minimal "hello world" blob source code to be opened?
[15:13] <Armand> Does it contain porn?? :P
[15:13] * Armand ducks
[15:14] * IT_Sean clears his throat
[15:14] * IT_Sean thumps Armand
[15:14] <Armand> OW!
[15:14] <Armand> Bish.. -_-
[15:15] <Armand> IT_Sean: What country are you in?
[15:15] <IT_Sean> Does it matter?
[15:15] <Armand> Well, yeah.. as you mentioned the pricing on E14.
[15:16] <IT_Sean> N'America.
[15:16] <Armand> Ahhh
[15:16] <Armand> https://www.modmypi.com/shop
[15:16] <Armand> Don't know what the shipping will be like though.
[15:17] <IT_Sean> Armand, I've got it covered. Thanks tho.
[15:17] <Armand> :)
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[15:17] <MY123> Armand: If you don't hear what's happened, then ...
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[15:18] <Armand> I don't hear much, bro..
[15:18] <MY123> ... see what said shiftplusone or ...
[15:18] <MY123> Just above or...
[15:19] <Armand> MCM?
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[15:20] <MY123> $ killall -9 trollers WHEN NAME BEGIN with 'a'
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[15:20] <MY123> Armand: A test.
[15:21] <Armand> Excuse me?
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[15:22] <Armand> I'm going to take the simple option here.. Have a good day, MY123 .o/
[15:22] <MY123> Armand: You trolled. If you want to have the source code to be sure , just repeat "GitHub".
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[15:23] <Armand> Humm
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[15:25] <MY123> Armand: See PM or whatever this is called...
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[15:32] <MY123> gordonDrogon: Using IPv6?
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[15:35] <gordonDrogon> Yes.
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[15:37] <doctorpenguin> anyone ever configure a ps3 controller /w bluetooth /w retropie?
[15:37] <MY123> gordonDrogon: Where do you live? Here , in Tunisia(or in France) , there is not home internet providers which support IPv6, all are stuck with v4.
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[15:42] <gordonDrogon> MY123, I'm in the UK. I have native IPv6 from my ISP. There are a handful of ISPs who're doing native IPv6 here. hopefully more soon.
[15:43] <SiC> [14:03:48] <@IT_Sean> I was going to order one, but e14 had the price jacked right up, so... <- CPC is cheaper than farnell/e14
[15:43] * IT_Sean blinks
[15:43] <SiC> if you can order from them
[15:43] <SiC> (not sure if they ship to the US)
[15:44] * IT_Sean points a television remote at SiC and presses the 'Mute' key
[15:44] <SiC> lol
[15:44] <SiC> I got a b+
[15:44] <SiC> not sure why
[15:44] <SiC> :p
[15:44] <SiC> its one of those ooooo, got to have purchases
[15:45] <SiC> reality is, it doesnt give me too much over my b
[15:46] <shiftplusone> it is shiny though
[15:46] <shiftplusone> gotta have the shiny
[15:46] <IT_Sean> It gives you two more USB ports, a more efficient power system, and USB hotswap ability
[15:47] <SiC> I've just been playing with a compute module
[15:47] <SiC> will be quite interesting for different projects
[15:47] <SiC> however I really want to see what the unit cost is going to be
[15:47] <RaTTuS|BIG> CM's will be $30 in batches of 100
[15:47] <SiC> (asin actually what you can buy it at, rather than it'll be around ~$30)
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[15:48] <SiC> yea, but I want to see the actual price that you can order at
[15:49] <SiC> any dates that they are going to list them?
[15:50] <SiC> when I last asked e14 a couple of weeks ago, they didnt give a firm ansswer
[15:51] <MY123> SiC: Wait a few weeks. They now manufacture model B and B+.
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[16:14] <esistgut> hi
[16:16] <esistgut> I'm trying to use the SPI on my raspberry but I get a really strange behaviour: as soon as I connect a ribbon cable to the rpi pinout I get random noise on the spi
[16:17] <esistgut> I've been trying with multiple cables
[16:17] <MY123> esistgut: EMC emissions.
[16:17] <ShorTie> maybe need some coupling caps
[16:17] <esistgut> and it kind of gets more noise if I get my hand next to it (without touching)
[16:18] <MY123> Two words but crucial. esistgut EMC
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[16:19] <esistgut> MY123, is it really so sensible?
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[16:20] <MY123> esistgut: 1 mA at 1,8V are sufficient to trigger it.
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[16:22] <esistgut> mmm
[16:22] <esistgut> how can I shield it?
[16:22] <MY123> esistgut: You are better off using short ribbons and separate grounds per pin.
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[16:23] <esistgut> my ribbon is about 10cm long
[16:23] * ShorTie wonders if he has a coupling cap on it
[16:23] <canton7> coupling or decoupling?
[16:23] <esistgut> ShorTie, what's a coupling cap?
[16:23] <canton7> coupling caps sound like the worst sort
[16:23] <esistgut> sorry for the stupid questions, I'm a programmer
[16:23] <MY123> Or just use IDE cables, esistgut.
[16:24] <RaTTuS|BIG> http://www.raspberrypi.org/forums/viewtopic.php?f=42&t=18081 <- see that old post
[16:24] <esistgut> MY123, tried that too
[16:24] <ShorTie> just a small cap you put on things, like .1 or .01uf
[16:25] <MY123> esistgut: Pull-up resistors.
[16:25] <gordonDrogon> esistgut, slow the clock down too.
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[16:27] <esistgut> mmm
[16:27] <gordonDrogon> esistgut, are you using the kernel SPI driver or something else?
[16:27] <koell> gimme bread, im hungry :3
[16:27] <esistgut> kernel spi driver
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[16:27] <esistgut> wait, no
[16:27] <esistgut> something else too
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[16:28] <gordonDrogon> esistgut, oh?
[16:28] <esistgut> I'm trying a library which uses a direct interface to the broadcom spi
[16:28] <gordonDrogon> ah, ok. good luck.
[16:28] <ctyler> do you have *just* the ribbon cable attached, or is your circuit on the end? (unclear from your message)
[16:29] <esistgut> ctyler, just the ribbon cable
[16:29] <esistgut> gordonDrogon, https://github.com/stanleyseow/RF24/tree/master/librf24-rpi/librf24-bcm << this thing
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[16:29] <esistgut> but I get random data with the spidev test program too
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[16:30] <ctyler> well then you've just attached a bunch of antennas to your board with nothing pulling them up or down. i wouldn't sweat that scenario.
[16:30] <esistgut> https://raw.githubusercontent.com/raspberrypi/linux/rpi-3.10.y/Documentation/spi/spidev_test.c << this one
[16:30] <esistgut> ctyler, so I can do that via software
[16:31] <gordonDrogon> any clock over 1MHz is going to give you issues on ribbon cable.
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[16:31] <esistgut> cool
[16:31] <ctyler> I would go ahead and try with your circuit rather than just floating leads attached
[16:31] <esistgut> so I'll try pullups via software
[16:31] <gordonDrogon> ctyler, all pins on an SPI interface are driven - no need for pullups/downs.
[16:32] <MY123> gordonDrogon: CSI is high-speed and have ribbon cables.
[16:32] <gordonDrogon> oh, you've not connected it up yet?
[16:32] <ctyler> right, he's just got the ribbon cable
[16:32] <gordonDrogon> MY123, csi uses differential signalling - somewhat different to this case.
[16:32] <ctyler> hook up the circuit and see what it's like in that case, don't sweat what you're getting with just unnatached leads picking up stray signals
[16:33] <gordonDrogon> with nothin on the MISO pin it will float about like a wibbly wobbly thing.
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[16:35] <esistgut> gordonDrogon, I tried that too
[16:35] <esistgut> I need to attach a nrf24L01+ board
[16:35] <esistgut> I get *more* noise with it
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[16:36] <MY123> You can try a cat5 or SATA cable.
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[16:38] <esistgut> ok, I will try something :)
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[16:54] <Darkwell> hmm
[16:55] <Darkwell> anyone of youusing sshguard ?
[16:55] <basti> it seems that the pi crashes when checking every minute via cron and pidof whether mplayer is running (or maybe it is mplayer itself). any better idea to check for a running/not running process?
[16:56] <shiftplusone> define 'crashes'?
[16:56] <RaTTuS|BIG> and how are you checking
[16:57] <Darkwell> its a nice idea to have sshguard... but its not good enough since it adds rules that will if there are many attempts from many ips the list of rules increases.. instead of having a set of ips in ipset
[16:57] <Darkwell> so there is a risk that the firewall gets unnecessary slow
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[17:03] <basti> shiftplusone, it just hangs itself. no ssh possible and no screen outout. nothing can be ound in the logs. RaTTuS|BIG, if pidof !(mplayer) bla
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[17:03] <basti> and this is not just one pi, but 11
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[17:04] <basti> or better 20, because at some other site, there are the same problems
[17:04] <shiftplusone> basti, do you have a multimeter?
[17:04] <basti> sure
[17:04] <shiftplusone> and tp1-tp2 voltage is > 4.8 ?
[17:04] <basti> yes
[17:05] <basti> the psu is not the issue
[17:05] <basti> and it does not occur on a daily basis, but randomly
[17:05] <shiftplusone> Then how would you know it's not the power unless you know the exact voltage at the moment it fails?
[17:06] <ShorTie> makes it sound more like power issue if that random
[17:06] <shiftplusone> Do you think I would I be able to reproduce it?
[17:06] <shiftplusone> -I
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[17:07] <ShorTie> you using wifi too ??
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[17:07] <basti> shiftplusone, i dont know
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[17:07] <basti> i never measured the voltage the hole day
[17:07] <RaTTuS|BIG> have you got a watchdog process going to reboot if nessassacry
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[17:07] <basti> i am trying that on two of the pis at my site
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[17:08] <basti> but i had no time to check onto that
[17:08] <basti> ShorTie, no wifi. cable
[17:09] <RaTTuS|BIG> upto date firmware and software ?
[17:09] <basti> shiftplusone, we use a shoutcast server, that is why we check every minute, because when the stream stops for some reason mplayer does not resume
[17:10] <Budd> I've found it impossible to boot from a 32MB SD card (power light, no rainbow); I'm suspecting geometry.
[17:10] <basti> RaTTuS|BIG, no, the firmware/software from maybe a year ago
[17:10] <shiftplusone> basti, are these relatively old pis?
[17:10] <Budd> I can use fdisk to change the geometry (255/63/3), but when I save and rerun fdisk, it hasn't stuck.
[17:10] <basti> year old. the ones on the other site are newer
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[17:10] <shiftplusone> hm
[17:11] <shiftplusone> I was thinking maybe bad crystal, but if the others are newer... =/
[17:11] <basti> 11 bad cyrsytals sounds odd
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[17:12] <shiftplusone> yup
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[17:12] <Budd> Anyone know what geometries the Pi hardware can understand?
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[17:12] <basti> could it be some memory thing? i dont know if mplayer is the problem. and i cant think of an easy way to measure voltage a hole day.
[17:12] <Davespice> shiftplusone: huh?
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[17:13] <Davespice> oh um, yeah... back to work ;)
[17:13] <shiftplusone> Davespice, nothing... I'm not slacking off on IRC >.>
[17:13] <RaTTuS|BIG> I'd update everything and see if it still has the issue also put in a watchdog timer to reboot if it hangs
[17:13] <basti> how long does an update usually take?
[17:14] <basti> i guess, since it is pretty old, loooong
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[17:20] <MY123> Budd: any geometry
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[17:22] <MY123> Budd: do a dd if=/dev/zero of=<sdcard> bs=1M . It should work after that except if using a Micron memory.
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[17:25] <Budd> MY123: I did that with an OpenWRT image, with no luck. I also tried the small NOOBS card (though that comes as files, not an image).
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[17:25] <Budd> These are ancient cards - came with Canon cameras years ago.
[17:26] <MY123> Budd: Is there a M with orbit logo over the chip.
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[17:27] <Budd> On the SD card? No. Just the SD logo.
[17:28] <MY123> No. On the Raspberry Pi chip. The Micron memory have an HW bug which prevents them to boot on less than 4 GB sd cards.
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[17:29] <MY123> Budd: yes or no?
[17:30] <MY123> Hope that phire is online.
[17:30] <Budd> I don't see it.
[17:30] <Budd> You mean printed on one of the processor chips?
[17:31] <MY123> Yes, Budd.
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[17:33] <Budd> nope. Definitely not there.
[17:33] <ofdm> How do I migrate a raspbian installation from B to B+?
[17:34] <shiftplusone> ofdm, just a matter of ensuring your firmware is up to date
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[17:35] <Johannes`> hi, is there any way to use windows wlan dongle drivers on rpi?
[17:35] <MY123> Budd: An odd bug.
[17:35] <shiftplusone> Johannes`, none at all
[17:35] <Johannes`> mkay
[17:35] <MY123> Budd: do you see any lights? The FS should be fat.
[17:36] <ofdm> shiftplusone: so I just run rpi-update prior to sticking the SD into the B+? That's it?
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[17:36] <Budd> MY123: I just get one red light, nothing flashing. FS is indeed FAT.
[17:36] <MY123> Johannes`: Possible but not p̂ratical.
[17:36] <shiftplusone> ofdm, that's the sure way, yes. I think a simple apt-get update; apt-get upgrade; as root should do it too
[17:36] <ofdm> shiftplusone: ok, thanks!
[17:37] <shiftplusone> np
[17:37] <MY123> Budd: So a bug in the bootrom, where should one report that, shiftplusone ?
[17:38] <shiftplusone> MY123, you're jumping to conclusions
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[17:39] <shiftplusone> If you could send a card in, then I could take a look and see what's going on, but I think it's a much more simple and common problem of poor sd card contact
[17:40] <Budd> Two things I haven't tried yet: flash the 32MB image onto a large, known-working card, and 2) stich this in a newer-model Pi.
[17:40] <Budd> shiftplusone: should I try booting with a thumb on the SD card?
[17:40] <shiftplusone> Budd, yeah, pay attention to the ACT led when you do
[17:40] <Budd> ok.
[17:41] <MY123> Yes. If a higher capacity SD works fine with thr same image and bootfiles and bootcode.bin does not blink to say start.elf not found, then JTAG is the only solution or faulty SD(contacts, image or something else).
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[17:44] <jp5863> hi guys, can someone help me?
[17:44] <MY123> jp5863: About what?
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[17:45] <jp5863> i'm trying to burn a raw image file.img into the SD card, the proceess go OK but when I view the files into de SD the content has others files like NOOBS and other files
[17:46] <MY123> jp5863: If Windows,normal.
[17:46] <shiftplusone> jp5863, paste the command you used
[17:47] <jp5863> the image generated I use linux, but I need to burnit on windows
[17:47] <jp5863> on linux I use dd
[17:47] <ShorTie> windiskimager32 then
[17:47] <jp5863> and works fine for generate and burn
[17:47] <jp5863> yep, on windows I use windiskimager32
[17:48] <shiftplusone> jp5863, win32diskimager and dd both don't work?
[17:48] <jp5863> I don't know why but other images burns ok almots 4 month ago
[17:48] <jp5863> only win32diskimager don't work
[17:49] <jp5863> I tested on a DELL and HP machine
[17:49] <ShorTie> you can make an image with win32diskimager too...
[17:49] <jp5863> I don't try thath, maybe if the image is generated in windows...
[17:50] <jp5863> I will try this
[17:50] <jp5863> thanks
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[17:51] <ShorTie> sometimes an image from 1 card will not fit on another because of the charactoristics of the sdcards
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[17:54] <Armand> Hummm
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[17:58] <almostworking> i would get new SD card, i did. tried using an existing one, $8 , for topomax
[17:58] <almostworking> i almost lost my mind , since the SD card i had, appeard to work , in everyting but the pi
[17:59] <shiftplusone> I would love to get my hands on such a card
[17:59] <almostworking> hmmm, prank?
[17:59] <shiftplusone> almostworking, what do you mean?
[17:59] <almostworking> hm, i musta missed something from befoer, nrm
[18:00] <almostworking> nvm*
[18:00] <shiftplusone> there's no reason a card should work in one device but not the pi
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[18:00] <almostworking> it happend to me
[18:00] <shiftplusone> so it would be nice to get such a card to figure out what, if anything, is happening
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[18:00] <almostworking> oh, ic ....... that card is long gone, shot it with a gun
[18:00] <shiftplusone> heh
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[18:03] <SiC> http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/europe/ukraine/10974050/Malaysia-Airlines-plane-crashes-on-Ukraine-Russia-border-live.html
[18:03] <SiC> D:
[18:03] <Budd> shiftplusone: I tried rebooting with my 32MB card with a thumb on it, but no ACT light, and no boot.
[18:03] <almostworking> i was just reading that SiC
[18:04] <shiftplusone> Budd, fat32 formatted with bootcode.bin on it?
[18:04] <Budd> shiftplusone: I also tried with another card of the same model (because I am wealthy in 32MB cards), but same result.
[18:04] <Budd> shiftplusone: yes.
[18:04] <shiftplusone> first partition?
[18:04] <Budd> yes.
[18:04] <shiftplusone> hm
[18:04] <Budd> Though OpenWRT puts 4MB of dead space before the first partition - don't know why.
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[18:05] <shiftplusone> does the same image work on other cards?
[18:05] <shiftplusone> >32mb
[18:05] <Budd> shiftplusone: don't know yet.
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[18:06] <ShorTie> you are using a 32g OpenWRT image ??
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[18:06] <shiftplusone> g?
[18:06] <ShorTie> gig*
[18:07] <shiftplusone> mb
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[18:07] <ShorTie> 32mb, that is not big enough for anything is it ??
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[18:09] <Budd> ShorTie: You kids these days are spoiled. I run systems on 4MB and I like it.
[18:09] <Budd> (OpenWRT rocks)
[18:09] <shiftplusone> I take the crazy man at his word
[18:09] <shiftplusone> Though ShorTie is far from a kid XD
[18:10] <Budd> yeah, but the cultural reference doesn't work that way. When I was a kid we had culture.
[18:10] * shiftplusone rolls eyes
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[18:11] <Johannes`> insmod ath9k_htc.ko: "Invalid module format"
[18:12] <MY123> Johannes`: kernel version incompatibility.
[18:12] <almostworking> lol shiftplusone
[18:13] <shiftplusone> Johannes`, where did you get it from? ath9k devices are supported out of the box
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[18:13] <shiftplusone> in raspbian anyway
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[18:13] <Johannes`> shiftplusone: it was ootb
[18:14] <Johannes`> now i think i get it, there are two kernels, one installed as a package and one in the vfat boot partition
[18:15] <Johannes`> what's the point of that.. i guess that's a question for the arch linux arm devs
[18:15] <ShorTie> hehe, the downloads.openwrt.org openwrt-brcm2708-sdcard image i see is 76mb
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[18:23] <Johannes`> so can I boot the kernel on the root partition (ext4) through cmdline.txt?
[18:23] <shiftplusone> nope
[18:23] <shiftplusone> only on the fat32 partition
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[18:24] <MY123> shiftplusone: You can using u-boot (or the future Freeblob).
[18:24] <Johannes`> so i need to find modules that match the version of that kernel then
[18:24] <Johannes`> and remove the kernel packages
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[18:26] <Johannes`> wait, there are no modules in the boot partition
[18:26] <Johannes`> how does the system work then? the modules in the root partition are for the other kernel
[18:27] <shiftplusone> Johannes`, sounds like you've got some silly exotic stuff going on, but I don't know how you ended up with it
[18:27] <Johannes`> shiftplusone: by installing the archlinuxarm image
[18:27] <Johannes`> onto the sd card
[18:28] <shiftplusone> without trying to get some custom kernel?
[18:28] <Johannes`> yep
[18:28] <shiftplusone> have you tried #archlinux-arm?
[18:29] <Johannes`> yeah no response yet
[18:29] <shiftplusone> anyway, I'm off.
[18:29] <Johannes`> bye
[18:29] <shiftplusone> bye
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[18:34] <Budd> shiftplusone: My 32MB card problem was with the content of the card; flashing the stock openwrt image (even though it's too big) gets the kernel going. So it's probably a problem with the OpenWRT build.
[18:34] <Budd> (that is, my build-from-source)
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[19:24] <DarkMio> Hi. I am about to purchase one Raspberry Pi Model M and wondered if the powersupply from my USB-port of my router is enough
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[19:25] <IT_Sean> DarkMio, There is no Model M. Do you mean Model A, Model B, or Model B+?
[19:25] <DarkMio> http://www.tp-link.com/en/products/details/?categoryid=&model=TL-WR1043ND - that's the router and it fatures a standard USB2.0 port.
[19:25] <DarkMio> Model B.
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[19:25] <DarkMio> I am sorry, I was at my keyboard for a second.
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[19:25] <IT_Sean> You need at least 700ma... 1A or more preferred. Depends on the router, but, you will likely need an actuall wall wart supply.
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[19:26] <DarkMio> Dunno about the specs of a standard usb-port. Those smartphone-usb-charger will be enough, right?
[19:26] <DarkMio> (In case it isn't enough.)
[19:27] <IT_Sean> As long as it outputs 1A or more, yes.
[19:28] <DarkMio> It does!
[19:28] <rewbycraft> Also, don't put to many peripherals on it (especially ones that draw a lot of power).
[19:28] <DarkMio> I plan to run it as a python-dev-machine.
[19:29] <DarkMio> It will get a CAT6 (cuz they're cheaper, somehow) and it's mini-usb cable and is done.
[19:29] <IT_Sean> The phone charger should do.
[19:30] <rewbycraft> Be careful with keyboards though. Some take a lot of power. (Managed to kill it with an older kb).
[19:30] <DarkMio> Won't do any.
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[19:31] <DarkMio> I have a Ducky Shine 3 (and IBM Model M), but I throw the raspberry behind my router and let it run as server.
[19:31] <rewbycraft> Ah, just ssh'ing into it I presume?
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[19:45] <NGC3982> Hi. I need help with starting the telldusd daemon in Raspbian on my pi. I'm using the guide for Tellstick on RPI (http://elinux.org/R-Pi_Tellstick_core), and it tells me to start the daemon with "sudo service telldusd start".
[19:45] <NGC3982> While doing so, i get the "start-stop-daemon: --start needs --exec or --startas" error message. I try to read the --help section, but i don't understand how to implement it and start the daemon.
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[19:48] <paxcoder> can someone please check du -hcs /usr/share/locale
[19:48] <paxcoder> on a raspberry pi, that is
[19:50] <paxcoder> anyone?
[19:50] <NGC3982> Hold on
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[19:51] <NGC3982> paxcoder: I'm getting 149M in the directory, 149M on "total".
[19:51] <NGC3982> :>
[19:51] <paxcoder> 201M here
[19:51] <paxcoder> was hoping for less on a rpi though
[19:52] <paxcoder> nvm, i have no further questions then
[19:52] <NGC3982> (Y)
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[19:53] <paxcoder> thanks. not for the cleavage, but for cooperating
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[20:12] <DarkMio> rewbycraft: Righto. SSH and then the system is done.
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[20:31] <biberao> hi
[20:33] <MY123> aaa801: Your 3cakes have a very bad internet latency now.
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[20:33] <aaa801> shouldnt to ._.
[20:33] <biberao> http://poolduino.com/ <- what does it do?
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[20:43] <MY123> aaa801: Now much better.
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[21:59] <aaa801> i think phire is dead lol..
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[22:02] <aaa801> ReggieUK: long time no see
[22:02] <iceCalt> Finally
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[22:07] <MY123> ps -ef |grep phire|wc
[22:07] <MY123> 0
[22:08] <MY123> phire: Where are you?
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[22:45] <DanDare> Hello there. I dont have a pi yet. Im trying to find out what's interrupt speed for the GPIO ports. Cant find this information, I may be not looking right o my searches. Any clue? Its maybe as fast as CPU speed?
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[22:45] <DanDare> *perhaps
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[22:53] <Encrypt> DanDare, You'll find it in the datasheet normally ;)
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[22:53] <DanDare> Encrypt, the ARM datasheet?
[22:54] <Encrypt> Oh
[22:54] <Encrypt> I thought you were talking about microcontrollers
[22:54] <DanDare> Or some pi datasheet ?
[22:54] <Encrypt> For the Pi, it must be in the wiki page I imagine
[22:54] <DanDare> Well, it may be on the ARM datasheet also I presume
[22:55] <DanDare> but.. not sure also if pi's firmware has influence on this or not
[22:55] <DanDare> thank you, will try finding it on the wiki
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[22:56] * DanDare imagines the ARM datasheet being thicker than the holy bible
[22:56] <Encrypt> DanDare, You may also ask gordonDrogon :p
[22:56] <DanDare> Oh cool, nice to know :)
[22:57] <Encrypt> He has written the library dealing with GPIO
[22:57] <DanDare> I see
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[22:58] <DanDare> Encrypt, there are already made libraries to control stuff on pi like shift registers, I2C lines or it's more doing a bitbang style actually?
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[22:59] <ShorTie> grab a copy of wiringPi and l00k thru it
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[22:59] <DanDare> alright, thanks
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[23:00] <DanDare> Im still in doubt about buying the pi... But I know I will just do it at the end
[23:00] <DanDare> *in the end
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[23:02] <Budd> I have found that I can't boot a 32MB SD card if the DOS partition is less than 10M or so. IS this a known feature?
[23:02] <gordonDrogon> DanDare, hi. interrupts via the gpio are very fast ... into a Linux kernel (or module), but to get them from there to userland inrtoduces about 15�S of latency.
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[23:03] <gordonDrogon> DanDare, wiringPi can directly control shift registers (via bit-bang, but it does that for you). I2C, SPI is handled by the kernel, but wiringPi has some 'helpers' to make some stuff easy to use.
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[23:09] <DanDare> gordonDrogon, many thanks for the info . Will take a read about wiringPi
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[23:12] <MY123> Budd: It does work with FAT16.
[23:12] <DanDare> 15µS seems like a lot of overhead. In this scenario I guess interrupt speed on pi will not be very fast, it will be like interrupt speeds im used working with atmega168/arduino stuff (if im not doing wrong calc)
[23:12] <gordonDrogon> DanDare, remember - the Pi has a multi-user, multi-tasking operating system between the hardware and your code.
[23:13] <DanDare> Yeah I know.. it's totally different than working with "real" uC's
[23:13] <gordonDrogon> if you want a proper interrupt, you need to write it at the kernel level, not in userland.
[23:13] <gordonDrogon> in kernel level it's faster than an ATmega.
[23:13] <MY123> DanDare: You can use the VPU to a nanosecond latency.
[23:13] <DanDare> ok
[23:14] <gordonDrogon> DanDare, ignore that - you can't really use anything other than the ARM right now. There are no tools to use it to good effect.
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[23:14] <MY123> gordonDrogon: There is a full ANSI C compiler.
[23:15] <DanDare> gordonDrogon, I see. You mean, at that level, just the most low level stuff I guess
[23:15] <MY123> gordonDrogon: See that: github.com/kika123/freeblob in payload.c
[23:16] <gordonDrogon> MY123, you're just confusing the issue. it's really not easy to get into that stuff from Linux. You're really not helping at all.
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[23:17] <MY123> gordonDrogon: There is the mailbox 'Execute code' function. But it is not the easier way.
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[23:17] <gordonDrogon> MY123, it's really not going to help a Pi newcomer get some code written and run.
[23:18] <DanDare> I have a sound synth project, hybrid stuff, analog output out from the digital side. Project is stop atm cause arduino gets slow for so many individual oscillators. Guessing what could be a substitute to continue the project
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[23:19] <DanDare> i think i will get some stm32 board to continue with that
[23:20] <MY123> gordonDrogon: It is with a full-fledged C library. Agree that GPIO can be hard with having to manually poke registers, but as he is using Adruino, he should know that. Is the intergrated Pi sound quality sufficient, DanDare ?
[23:22] <gordonDrogon> DanDare, I'm synthesizing some audio on the Pi - only 8-bit stuff at 11KHz, but it's doing ok (emulating BBC Micro sound system plus playing samples)
[23:22] <DanDare> MY123, thats not a "practical" project. Doing it for funny. True analog sound output is what im achieving. old additive synthesis idea
[23:23] <gordonDrogon> MY123, first: write an operating system to support your stuff... Really not helpful. You're just getting in the way now.
[23:24] <MY123> gordonDrogon: There is usable from Linux samples at github.com/kika123/vc4-ack-samples with the VCloader and everything included.
[23:24] <DanDare> gordonDrogon, I see. Sounds interesting. But like I said Im doing pure analog output. I know it sounds dumb... like I said, just for the fun :)
[23:24] <gordonDrogon> MY123, really. I'm not intersted.
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[23:25] <shiftplusone> stm32 isn't bad
[23:25] <DanDare> just trying to adapt these modern resources with what guys were doing in the 60's or 70's
[23:25] <shiftplusone> If you're doing low level stuff, it's fun.
[23:26] <shiftplusone> but I haven't read the scrollback, so I have no idea what you're doing
[23:26] <DanDare> shiftplusone, i know programming but im not skilled with uC's internals and stuff. stm32 is some idea to start being used to that low level
[23:27] <shiftplusone> DanDare, have you used an arduino and programmed an AVR directly?
[23:27] <shiftplusone> in C or asm
[23:28] <DanDare> shiftplusone, yeah, both, but no ASM for me
[23:28] <DanDare> did ASM back in the z80 era, but meh
[23:28] <shiftplusone> yeah, then you'll be fine
[23:28] <shiftplusone> I went from AVR to stm32's arm.
[23:28] <DanDare> asm is not any fun
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[23:29] <DanDare> shiftplusone, it was too hard for you?
[23:29] <shiftplusone> nuh, stm's libraries make it fairly straight forward
[23:29] <shiftplusone> then you can look at the source code of those libraries and see the register fiddling to understand how it works
[23:30] <DanDare> Cool. Yeah I heard that guys have been making lots of libraries, thats really encouraging
[23:30] <DanDare> I see
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[23:30] <shiftplusone> it all comes down to documentation I think. How easy something is is directly proportional to the quality of the documentation
[23:31] <shiftplusone> and stm's seems sufficient
[23:31] <DanDare> sure! Its just disgusting doing stuff without documentation support.... thats not like a good hobby (for me at least)
[23:32] <shiftplusone> more trial and error than anything, ey?
[23:32] <shiftplusone> or trying to decipher other people's code
[23:32] <DanDare> heh yeah, lots of patience and big balls
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[23:33] <DanDare> it can be funny, but not usually. Usually people just want their projects going on
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[23:35] <gordonDrogon> DanDare, are you synthesizing my mixing oscillators - e.g. olde moog style?
[23:35] <DanDare> gordonDrogon, yeah, mixing them
[23:35] <gordonDrogon> DanDare, you should be able to run quite a few on the Pi then mix and output it to the Linux sound system.
[23:36] <gordonDrogon> DanDare, have you seen this? http://www.raspberrypi.org/pi-synthesisers/
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[23:38] <DanDare> gordonDrogon, were doing it on a rudimentary way. I mean, shift register pool feeding DACs. Problem is that the project requires more pins (not just the oscillators itself), arduino gets slow on that pool this way, lets say for 8 or 10 oscillators
[23:38] <DanDare> Well, the SR's were part of the DACs really
[23:38] <gordonDrogon> ah right - you're generating the audio via external hardware.
[23:38] <DanDare> Yeah
[23:39] <DanDare> and thats really my intention, for learning purposes also
[23:39] <DanDare> and oscillators are true analog output (some other requirement)
[23:40] <gordonDrogon> you don't need that on a Pi - it's got it all built in - well - Linux has - generate a wave and get Linux to play it. Not sure about how real-timey is is but the PIANA synth on that page seems to be doing a good job (and I used to work with that chap too :)
[23:40] <DanDare> thank for the link, will take a look
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[23:41] <DanDare> gordonDrogon, but when linux play it, it will be digital output, not analog, right ?
[23:41] <gordonDrogon> for my own thing, I parse the old bbc envelope command and build up 20 seconds of sound in RAM for each channel, then get Linux to mix the channels together then play it - can do that in a few mS.
[23:41] <gordonDrogon> DanDare, well... if you're sending parallel data to a DAC, it's digital too :)
[23:41] <DanDare> Oh, it looks great, sound from scratch is how one learns how to make sounds I presume :p
[23:42] <gordonDrogon> you can play digital audio held in ram via the Pi's HDMI port.
[23:42] <gordonDrogon> so its effectively doing the DAC for you.
[23:43] <DanDare> i see
[23:43] <gordonDrogon> I use a library called SDL-Mixer - it takes blocks of WAV data and mixes and plays them - I generate the WAVs in near real-time.
[23:43] <DanDare> gordonDrogon, this is what I got from the arduino project so far https://soundcloud.com/rodrigonh/vc
[23:44] <DanDare> with 2 oscillators
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[23:45] <gordonDrogon> not bad for an 8-bit micro.
[23:46] <DanDare> gordonDrogon, thats the point, output was pure analog mix, not chip music
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[23:46] <gordonDrogon> you can never get pure analog from a digital computer though.
[23:46] <gordonDrogon> best you'll get is 'cd quality'.
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[23:47] <DanDare> gordonDrogon, unless you use the computer to just trigger your DACs
[23:47] <gordonDrogon> you're generating digital data, then sending it to the DACs - they have a finite resolution.
[23:47] <DanDare> then, DAC output to analog oscillators input = analog output
[23:47] <gordonDrogon> ah right. you didn't say that!
[23:48] <DanDare> :p
[23:48] <gordonDrogon> how many times/sec are you updating the DACs ?
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[23:49] <DanDare> setup for that was: shift register -> R-2R ladder -> oscillator
[23:49] <gordonDrogon> so you made your own DAC...
[23:49] <DanDare> gordonDrogon, yeah.
[23:49] <DanDare> then calibrated to exact musical tones
[23:50] <gordonDrogon> wiringPi can handle up to 4 595 SR's as one unit - so you could have a 32-bit ladder.
[23:50] <DanDare> it sounds enough
[23:50] <gordonDrogon> and you could have about 8 of those on a Pi.
[23:50] <DanDare> the oscillator are VCOs, so the time stamp you define as wanted
[23:50] <gordonDrogon> with a 1�S clock, it's going to take 32 �S to update each unit.
[23:51] <DanDare> I see
[23:51] <gordonDrogon> actually 33�S as after you clock out 32 bits, you toggle the latch pin.
[23:51] <DanDare> thats, i must experiment more to state what is a limit for the update speed
[23:51] <gordonDrogon> but you get the drift.
[23:52] <DanDare> considering X oscillators
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[23:53] <gordonDrogon> you can run them faster but wiring, etc. becomes problematic - getting > 1MHz signals into 595 TTL chips ,etc.
[23:53] <DanDare> sure
[23:53] <DanDare> but SR's speed are enough I guess. Arduino is much much slower than the SRs e.g.
[23:53] <gordonDrogon> There are also multi-channel SPI based DACs - they might be a little faster.
[23:54] <DanDare> yeah, thats another option I consider
[23:54] <gordonDrogon> might be more costly, but would save all the resistor wiring.
[23:54] <DanDare> but heck, doing it from discrete parts is what is the funnier :p
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[23:55] <DanDare> anyway, I should be using popper DACs for this project
[23:55] <gordonDrogon> there is that..
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[23:55] <gordonDrogon> anyway, lots to think about - I think you could do something with the Pi too.
[23:55] <DanDare> im going to get a pi regardless
[23:55] <gordonDrogon> and its zed time for me.
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[23:55] <DanDare> maybe pi + stm32 in a pack
[23:56] <DanDare> gordonDrogon, thanks. goodbye
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