#raspberrypi IRC Log


IRC Log for 2014-07-20

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[0:17] <treats_> I want to make a dashcam powered via usb. What camera specs should i be concerned abotu?
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[0:23] <lost_soul> a camera that is supported would be a good start. Why don't you just use the camera for the Pi?
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[0:37] <treats_> is there only one?
[0:37] <treats_> i thought there was model a and b
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[0:41] <shiftplusone> there are models a, b, b+ and eventually, a+
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[0:41] <shiftplusone> but that doesn't have anything to do with the cam question.
[0:42] <shiftplusone> There's a camera for the raspberry pi (all models)
[0:42] <shiftplusone> oh and there's the compute module of course
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[0:59] <Shardvexz> lol
[0:59] <Shardvexz> I saw that bit about the B+ on hack a day
[0:59] <Shardvexz> Someone accidentally was shipped a model b+
[1:00] <Shardvexz> lucky
[1:00] <plugwash> iirc what actually happened was a store was sent them under NDA
[1:00] <plugwash> and broke said NDA and sold at least one (probablly more but one where the person turned up on irc and posted pictures)
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[1:02] <plugwash> there were also various vendors who violated their NDAs and posted pictures on the web early but I don't think those were the source of the information "going viral"
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[1:10] <MY123> plugwash: Did the store have problems ?
[1:11] <plugwash> IIRC the B+ Pis were on the shelf but rung up as something weird that was about the same price as the Pi
[1:11] <plugwash> and the store staff sold them
[1:11] <plugwash> no idea if the raspberry pi foundation followed up the NDA breach or not
[1:12] <shiftplusone> people first noticed when one of the distributors put the page up on thursday, I think. Only one guy seemed to notice and tweet about it, but it as down by the time he did. Then more and more pages kept coming up, it showed up on amazon and the irc guy popped up on and posted his pics on friday. A german blog post went up on saturday, I think and then another one in english from liliputing. Tha
[1:12] <shiftplusone> t liliputing article was what really spread the news. Rikkib mirrored the photos and tried posting them everywhere as well, which didn't help stop it from spreading. When hackaday picked up the story there was really no holding it back though. It was all over twitter at that stage and people found the cut down schematics and 'data sheet' one of the distributors put up.
[1:13] <shiftplusone> But given that so many people knew about it for so long in advance, the fact that it only started leaking so close to release is surprising.
[1:13] <eggy> isn't the B+ already out?
[1:13] <shiftplusone> eggy, yes, for a fair while
[1:13] <eggy> thought so
[1:13] <shiftplusone> I was talking about the week leading up to it
[1:13] <eggy> ah
[1:14] <shiftplusone> The folks in this channel found out pretty early, but didn't go on twitter or reddit, which is pretty cool
[1:15] <shiftplusone> Except for one guy of course.... there's always one =/
[1:17] <plugwash> liz had noticed and told us mods about one of the distributors putting the post up pretty early
[1:18] <plugwash> but I don't think that was the source for it going viral, i'm pretty sure that was the pics posted by the newbie
[1:18] <MY123> Shiftplusone: which managed being bannzz
[1:19] <MY123> *banned and is now spreading FUD in NZ.
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[1:21] <shiftplusone> aye, the chap who banned him is getting all kinds of hate mail, which is odd, since he's barely ever on nowadays, so it seems like a very ineffective way to complain.
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[1:22] <shiftplusone> but yeah, that was a bit of a hectic weekend.
[1:23] <MY123> I think that he is reading the channel logs,shiftplusone.
[1:24] <MY123> Ukscone has banned everyone living in NZ, for one hater.
[1:24] <shiftplusone> eh?
[1:25] <MY123> See the ban .
[1:25] <shiftplusone> banned everyone in nz? where is that information coming from?
[1:26] <MY123> Shiftplusone: From the ban list.
[1:26] <shiftplusone> definitely not everyone in nz, that would be ridiculous.
[1:26] * plugwash looks at the ban list and doesn't see anything anywhere near that wide
[1:27] <MY123> plugwash: It is one provider, know one touched
[1:28] <shiftplusone> It's not a provider, it's his server
[1:28] <shiftplusone> which only he uses for irc
[1:29] * plugwash notes that most server hosting providers make it pretty trivial to change your rdns so it would be pretty easy to evade that ban
[1:29] <shiftplusone> aye, but he's not the type to banwalk
[1:30] <MY123> shiftplusone: Bizzarz. May be a firewall problem. ISPs modifies RDNS once 6 months, ateast in France
[1:30] <MY123> * at least.
[1:31] <MY123> And no, the ban was general before.
[1:31] <shiftplusone> it was certainly not
[1:31] <shiftplusone> that's the ban that was set initially
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[1:43] * [Saint] wonders what kinks iceCalt was destroying
[1:44] <[Saint]> (throwing a metric craptonne of writes at the entire platter surface for a few rounds is also entirely sufficient - but, we're well past that now. ;))
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[1:48] * [Saint] is in NZ and wants to say that he is most certainly not banned
[1:48] <[Saint]> Hi, MY123! ;)
[1:50] <[Saint]> And, you can review thew ban list and logs, just the same as I can, and see that what you stated is clearly incorrect.
[1:50] <MY123> [Saint]: Hi, i'm very far of NZ, in Tunisia currently.
[1:50] <l_r> on holidays?
[1:51] <[Saint]> The ban mask is in _theory_ a little harsh, but, I sincerely doubt there's anyone but rikkib sitting behind that address.
[1:51] <MY123> l_r: Of course. I live in Paris.
[1:51] <[Saint]> As evidenced by the fact that only he fell off (well, kicked off, but..hey), even after repeated netsplits.
[1:52] <[Saint]> tl;dr: yes the ban mask was kinda harsh, but, it almost certainly just took out one individual.
[1:52] <[Saint]> This channel requires registration with nickserv, so in theory, nick banning is entirely sufficient.
[1:53] <[Saint]> But overstepping on ban scopes in IRC is rather common.
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[1:54] <MY123> [Saint]: That "rikkib" spreaded FUD in NZ, complaining non-stop.
[1:55] <l_r> from the ban mask i can see that all his dynasty has been banned
[1:55] <[Saint]> Not uncommon.
[1:56] <MY123> l_r: Yes, all his Internet provider.
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[1:56] <[Saint]> No.
[1:56] <[Saint]> All his personal host.
[1:56] <shiftplusone> again, nothing to do with his internet provider... just him
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[1:57] <[Saint]> There's more of us than you think. If NZ got a blanket ban from here...you'd know about it.
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[1:57] <[Saint]> I'd be in here from a VPN crying in an instant.
[1:57] <[Saint]> ;)
[1:57] <toeshred> the Raspbian timezone has "Pacific Ocean" and "Pacific-new" whats the difference?
[1:58] <toeshred> I am in los angeles, i would guess maybe "pacific ocean" is hawaii or other pacific islands?
[1:58] <MY123> Bizzare. The WHOIS doesn't say anything about him but about his provider. [Saint].
[1:58] <shiftplusone> of course
[1:58] <[Saint]> that's what WHOIS does.
[1:58] <[Saint]> toeshred: http://www.timeanddate.com/library/abbreviations/timezones/pacific/
[1:59] <[Saint]> dammit. wrong link. gah.
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[2:00] <toeshred> i am guessing it is Pacific-new for west coast California.
[2:00] <MY123> I'm speaking about DNS WHOIS , if anyone is wondering.
[2:00] <toeshred> just never heard it called that.
[2:00] * ChanServ sets mode +o shiftplusone
[2:00] * shiftplusone sets mode +b *!*Rikki@*
[2:01] * shiftplusone sets mode -b *!*@bencom.co.nz
[2:01] * ChanServ sets mode -o shiftplusone
[2:01] <[Saint]> tada.
[2:01] <shiftplusone> absolutely no difference made, but hey
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[2:03] <plugwash> shiftplusone, well you just made it even easier for him to evade the ban
[2:03] <shiftplusone> he doesn't try to
[2:03] * plugwash notes that *!*@bencom.co.nz is a ban on a single rdns hostname, there are no *'s to the right of the @
[2:04] <plugwash> so that ban would not apply to a machine with a rdns hostname of say foo.bencom.co.nz
[2:04] <MY123> Shiftplusone: before , you blocked all Bencom Ltd. employees. Just goto bencom.co.nz .
[2:04] <shiftplusone> employees? seriously?
[2:04] <shiftplusone> it's just him
[2:05] <[Saint]> In the channels I manage, I take a relaxed approach to banning and only try to wipe out a single user instance at a time. I don't gaurd against ban-walking unless I'm given reason to believe it is actually happening.
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[2:06] <MY123> Shiftplusone : I don't imagine him being the CEO of Bencom Ltd.
[2:06] * shiftplusone sighs
[2:06] <[Saint]> Its ok shift...you tried. :)
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[2:06] <plugwash> MY123, looking at /www.bencom.co.nz it doesn't exactly look like a large operation
[2:07] <shiftplusone> http://nz.linkedin.com/pub/peter-bennett/47/15/89
[2:07] <MY123> plugwash: it was a NAT
[2:07] <[Saint]> Its a grumpy old HAM with a passion for weatherstations.
[2:07] <plugwash> MY123, what makes you think that?
[2:07] <[Saint]> Not a multinational CEO owner with a grudge.
[2:08] <shiftplusone> To be fair he wasn't that grumpy, I liked him 99% of the time.
[2:08] <Tenchworks> that 1% can sometimes be a really doozy
[2:08] <[Saint]> Oh, I should've added that was a self described definition. :)
[2:09] <shiftplusone> heh
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[2:10] <shiftplusone> Now Mike Cook... he lives up to his 'Grumpy Mike' nick on the forum. Went off at me today for some reason I haven't quite figured out yet.
[2:10] <plugwash> hmm, actually it could be a dsl link though I thought it was very unusual for dsl links to have custom rdns
[2:10] <plugwash> shiftplusone, yeah for better or worse mike cook is kinda an idol for people of ebens generation
[2:11] <plugwash> so he can get away with being a big grumpy
[2:11] <shiftplusone> Aye, I figured that out after web stalking him a bit.
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[2:12] <plugwash> his very long lived section in "the micro user" was basically the go-to place for learning about interfacing stuff to your bbc micro
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[2:13] <shiftplusone> aye and he seems to be doing a lot of pi stuff now
[2:14] <MY123> plugwash : It is possible for every company ( rdns adsl link). May see the NZ companies register for knowing how many employees is there
[2:15] <MY123> * to know.
[2:15] <shiftplusone> Although I don't see any particular genius in his designs, it's all great stuff for beginners.
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[2:16] <plugwash> shiftplusone, it's often the way, becoming famous is partly about skill but mostly about being in the right place at the right time
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[2:17] <shiftplusone> good on him in any case. I can take some abuse if his other activities help people learn about electronics, heh.
[2:18] <plugwash> personally it's jamesh who really winds me up.........
[2:18] <plugwash> someone is legitimately annoyed that the foundation prioritised the B+ launch over everything else resulting in a shortage of B's with no end in sight
[2:19] <plugwash> and jamesh lays into them, accuses them of spreading misinformation and then locks the thread
[2:19] <shiftplusone> well, you do know there was a legitimate part shortage which threw a cog in production
[2:20] <MY123> Plugwash : But is very helpful about the RPi camera. Agree that he locks the most threads.
[2:20] <MY123> * most locked threads
[2:20] <plugwash> shiftplusone, I do and when that came along the foundation apparently prioritised the launch of their new product over keeping supply up for the existing one
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[2:21] * [Saint] shows MY123 <first_letter_of_nick>+[Tab] again
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[2:21] <plugwash> I also find people from the rpf use the term "concern troll" a hell of a lot
[2:22] <plugwash> which always seems to me like an excuse to label people with concerns as trolls
[2:22] <[Saint]> and troll in general.
[2:22] <shiftplusone> plugwash, right, but is that a legitimate criticism? Remember when the pi launched and we waited for months? It was clear that there was still model b stock around in some places and when the b+ launched, everybody would want one. It seems to me that the sensible thing to do is to priorotise b+ production, no?
[2:22] <[Saint]> the public flaming with that crap with rikkib was totally uncalled for.
[2:22] <[Saint]> even if it was true.
[2:22] <[Saint]> [debateable]
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[2:22] <[Saint]> But...hey, humans.
[2:23] <MY123> [Saint]: Thanks but your hint doesn't work on a smartphone.
[2:23] <[Saint]> It would if you had a proper keyboard with Tab. ;)
[2:23] <[Saint]> (and/or a proper client)
[2:23] <shiftplusone> as for concern trolling... it's always a tricky one. An easy way to dismiss legitimate criticism, but also something that gets tiring to put up with.
[2:23] <[Saint]> ANy client without nick complete almost certainly isn;t worth using.
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[2:26] <plugwash> shiftplusone, I understand why the foundation did what they did but that doesn't mean they need to be assholes about it
[2:26] <MY123> [Saint] : web clients doesn't have one. And I hate Google accounts except for e-mail( google play ). And sadly not Replicant on my phone
[2:26] <[Saint]> Freenode's web client definitely does have nick completion.
[2:27] <[Saint]> You just need a keyboard on your mobile that actually has a Tab key
[2:27] <shiftplusone> plugwash, as [Saint] said... humans.
[2:27] <plugwash> It's certainly something anyone buying stuff learns the hard way though, your suppliers priorities are not your priorities and just in time all too easilly turns into too ****ing late
[2:28] <MY123> [Saint] : using IRCcloud to keep me connected
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[2:32] <MY123> Anyways, learning about DTB as the ARM is now on in my experimental Freeblob build.
[2:34] <iceCalt> [Saint], memories from the past
[2:36] <[Saint]> For future reference, writing to the entire drive surface relentlessly for a few dozen passes is almost certainly fine for Joe Average without state secrets to keep. :)
[2:36] <[Saint]> But...destroying things *is* fun, so, there's that...
[2:37] <iceCalt> There was no way to have access to the HDD's data without replacing some parts
[2:37] <iceCalt> it was simply dead
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[2:38] <plugwash> [Saint], it's a risk management thing
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[2:39] <plugwash> hard drives reallocate failing sectors and hence it's very hard to ensure EVERYTHING is overwritten
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[2:39] <plugwash> do you want to take the risk that the data you wanted to keep secret was on one of those sectors and that the adversary has the ability to read it
[2:39] <plugwash> or do you just want to reduce the drive to dust
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[2:42] <[Saint]> plugwash: that's where the line's get blurry - if you have reason to even consider that as a possibility, I don't think you can call yourself Joe Average anymore
[2:43] <shiftplusone> who calls themselves average joe anyway?
[2:43] <[Saint]> Joe Average, one assumes.
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[2:44] <plugwash> of course the other problem is if you have a faililng drive as iceCalt says
[2:45] <plugwash> how are you supposed to run your overwrite software when the drive is spewing errors at you or maybe won't even talk to the computer at all
[2:45] <[Saint]> Yeah, that was kinda my bad. I kinda forgot that most people can't easily transplant a platter in home as I can.
[2:45] <[Saint]> But, in those cases "write" can easily be substituted with "point a big bloody magnet at"
[2:45] <iceCalt> [Saint], do you have a forensic data restore management at home?
[2:46] <ShorTie> dban's, boot n nuke
[2:46] <[Saint]> Oh, jeebus no. Just rather a lot of HDD testbed equipment.
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[2:48] <[Saint]> Realistically, as protection from nothing more than nosey people going through the trash, that is really easy for a home user to achieve, is just loosening one or two of the torx screws on the case slightly.
[2:48] <[Saint]> How many people do you know that know exactly how many newtons each of those torx should be under, for the specific drive variant?
[2:48] <[Saint]> If even one is off, the entire platter will misalign and murder itself.
[2:49] <plugwash> just how bloody big does the magent have to be?
[2:49] <[Saint]> With todays rare earth magnets, surprisingly, not very.
[2:49] <plugwash> iirc modern hard drive platters are surprisingly insensitive to magnetism
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[2:50] <shiftplusone> I tend to take out the platter and break it.... quicker than dban.
[2:51] <ShorTie> thats true, lol.
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[2:51] <[Saint]> Hmmm...I guess I'm forgetting that your average home user probably doesn't have powerful rare earth magnets just lying around either...
[2:51] <shiftplusone> except that some shatter and some bend... the bendy ones are hard to break.
[2:51] <[Saint]> They make *great* shooting gallery targets.
[2:51] <[Saint]> A 22 long'll go right through 'em.
[2:51] <[Saint]> ...just sayin'.
[2:52] * plugwash remembers reading about some military (forgot which one's) practices for hard drive destruction
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[2:52] <plugwash> the regular procedure involved grinding the magnetic material on the platters to dust
[2:52] <[Saint]> Yeah, they pretty much *powder* them.
[2:52] * [Saint] nods
[2:52] <[Saint]> Then...then there's the acid.
[2:52] <plugwash> the emergency procedure was a white phosphorus incendary grenade
[2:53] <shiftplusone> a little extreme
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[2:54] <shiftplusone> [Saint], do you forget that the average joe doesn't have a box of white phosphorus incendiary grenades at home, by any chance?
[2:54] <shiftplusone> (just based on what you've said you have lying around so far)
[2:55] * [Saint] pictures an assigned staff member posted by each machine in a military installation with a white phosphorous grenade in hand, waiting to be given the order he's been waiting for.
[2:55] <[Saint]> That could call him Pvt. Quickformat
[2:55] <[Saint]> *they
[2:56] * ShorTie snickers
[2:56] <shiftplusone> heh
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[3:01] <applepi> Hi all.. i'm wondering if my pi got bricked somehow.. plugged in I get the power light and very dim ACT, no blink code or anything with or without a card. I've tried several different chargers and SD cards.
[3:02] <shiftplusone> applepi, it's not reading your card or unable to find bootcode.bin
[3:02] <[Saint]> ^ that
[3:02] <shiftplusone> applepi, often happens if the card bends too much or if the contacts don't make good contact for whatever reasons
[3:03] <applepi> shiftplusone: I thought I had read that without a card you would get a blink code of some sort
[3:03] <shiftplusone> applepi, nope
[3:03] <applepi> ah
[3:03] <shiftplusone> applepi, you get blink codes AFTER bootcode.bin is loaded
[3:03] <applepi> got it
[3:04] <shiftplusone> push it against the slot with your thumb while power it it up to test. You can add a sticker or two onto the card to make it thicker, bend the pins forward, replace the sd card slot or use a microsd adpater (The pcb type) thing
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[3:04] <[Saint]> If I had to guess, I'd posit this was one of the deciding factors in changing to a proper mechanical uSD on the B+
[3:04] <[Saint]> That friction based SD mount is frankly terrible.
[3:05] <[Saint]> Live & learn.
[3:05] <applepi> yeah, I can't get it to read any card out of the three i've got
[3:05] <shiftplusone> [Saint], if that's the case, why not just replace the slot with a different one?
[3:05] <applepi> i guess this one is dead :/
[3:05] <shiftplusone> applepi, the card is probably fine
[3:05] <applepi> the pi, I mean.
[3:06] <shiftplusone> if it's within warranty, send it back. If not, put a new slot on it.
[3:06] <[Saint]> You can also try bending out the pins slightly, if its out of warranty, that is.
[3:06] <shiftplusone> or try one of these http://www.adafruit.com/products/966
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[3:08] <[Saint]> If its the case? :)
[3:08] <[Saint]> ...and, I have, long, long ago.
[3:09] <shiftplusone> eh?
[3:10] <mhoney> eh?
[3:10] <shiftplusone> eh
[3:10] <[Saint]> aaaaaaaayyyyyyyyyye!
[3:10] <plugwash> having said that while testing different firmwares on my new B+ i'm pretty sure I was also having some SD card contact problems
[3:10] <[Saint]> <smacks jukebox>
[3:11] <mhoney> hopefully the b+ will work better with wireless dongles
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[3:11] <[Saint]> I...what?
[3:11] <[Saint]> Howso?
[3:11] <ShorTie> should, if you got a good power supply
[3:12] <plugwash> well they pushed up the input polyfuse to 2A among other changes
[3:12] <ShorTie> it can push out up to 1.2 amps to the usb
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[3:12] <applepi> All the cards I have are old and small to be fair (I'm not interested in getting to a rootfs, just running a small custom kernel.img), but that shouldn't stop it from finding bootcode.bin..
[3:12] <ShorTie> but not by defualt
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[3:14] <plugwash> yeah, the default current limit is set to reduce the risk of killing the main power rail when connecting USB devices
[3:15] <plugwash> and using a 1A or so PSU
[3:19] <[Saint]> Ahhhhhhhh, hmmmmm.
[3:20] <[Saint]> This influx of coordinated attacks may be originating from Mayhem.
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[3:25] <applepi> is there any issue with older SD cards or anything?
[3:26] <[Saint]> Nup. SD is SD is SD.
[3:27] <applepi> Okay, I just wanted to check. I'm trying to repurpose some older semi-useless cards I've got lying around.. not big enough for raspbian but far large enough for bootcode, fixup, start, and a really simple kernel.img...
[3:28] <shiftplusone> applepi, if you need to replace kernel.img often (for testing), look up raspbootin
[3:28] <ShorTie> ya, you only need the fat partition stuff on the sdcard, the rest canbe else where
[3:29] <[Saint]> Rah rah Raspbootin, lover of the Russian Queen. There was a cat that really was gone...
[3:30] <applepi> I'll look into it. I don't have the serial stuff at the moment.
[3:30] <shiftplusone> ah
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[5:14] <johnc-> hmm
[5:15] <johnc-> what's the best way to check if a platform is raspberry pi (from code)?
[5:15] <johnc-> currently I'm just looking for omxplayer
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[5:27] <Taylor> does order matter, update/upgrade upgrade/update?
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[5:27] <[Saint]> Yes.
[5:27] <Taylor> which is recommended
[5:28] <[Saint]> If you run a upgrade before an update, which updated packages is it going to be able to grab? ;)
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[5:28] <[Saint]> (for reference, update grabs the list of packages for upgrade to use...so, it should be done immediately prior)
[5:29] <Taylor> yes that makes sense
[5:30] <johnc-> huh this is odd
[5:31] <johnc-> the audio demo spin locks instead of specifying a function call to block
[5:31] <johnc-> I wonder if it's an oversight or done on purpose
[5:32] <[Saint]> "For to prevent immersion to harm do limit the exposure to interior mechanisms during the cleaning of the member"
[5:32] <[Saint]> "remove member forcefully but never hard", "[Fig 3] Insert member forcefully"
[5:32] <[Saint]> Good job, Mitsubishi Electric heat exchanger manual writing team.
[5:32] <[Saint]> Good job.
[5:34] <[Saint]> "If the problem is speculated please assist wash hands"
[5:34] <[Saint]> O_o
[5:34] <[Saint]> I...I just want to know how to remove the filter the blinking light is telling me to clean.
[5:35] <[Saint]> I didn't want a lesson in terribly translated English.
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[7:22] <[Saint]> Hahaha. How did I miss this gem?
[7:23] <[Saint]> "Insects in sunlight remain unseen. Clean without mess."
[7:23] <[Saint]> (from my heat exchanger's filter replacement manual)
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[7:33] <[Saint]> http://www.raspberrypi.org/wp-content/uploads/2014/07/@CatLamin-babbage-borg-500x666.jpg
[7:33] <[Saint]> Slightly terrifying.
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[10:05] <DoctorPenguin> hey guys
[10:05] <ShorTie> Good Morning
[10:06] <DoctorPenguin> If I wanted to set up controls for snes. How would you recommend setting the settings for a ps3 and xbox360 controller? The xbox controller is a custom that I build and has like 12 buttons I'm going to guess
[10:06] <DoctorPenguin> built*
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[10:06] <DoctorPenguin> Hope you don't mind if I enter /w a question
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[10:07] <DoctorPenguin> I have tried setting buttons manually from /opt/retropie/configs/all/retropie.cfg or something and it won't set the exit and enable or menu buttons
[10:07] <ShorTie> na. that is what we are here for
[10:08] <DoctorPenguin> I hope I can write a faq when I'm done configuring this to help people make this process less frustrating
[10:08] <ShorTie> but, sorry, i have no idea on the controlers
[10:08] <DoctorPenguin> I was thinking of writing a python script to make custom xml themes for retropie
[10:09] <DoctorPenguin> ya its really complicated setting up multiple controllers. I have looked through the forums for how to control multiple controllers like +3 of different types and it doesn't seem compatible. I might just grab another usb and either get another xbox or ps3 controller to double up.
[10:12] <DoctorPenguin> I'll put it in a pastebin link
[10:12] <DoctorPenguin> I'm thinking of finding where the autoconfigs are sources from and just configuring them and then re-registering my controllers
[10:12] <DoctorPenguin> sourced*
[10:13] <DoctorPenguin> http://pastebin.com/KQVq6deF
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[10:14] <DoctorPenguin> See I have the indexs set and then again in the other retroarch config
[10:14] <DoctorPenguin> like input_playerx_joypad_index = "y"
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[10:18] <DoctorPenguin> So, Shortie, what do you make /w rasppi?
[10:18] <DoctorPenguin> I'm debating later doing some electronics /w python, maybe building the drone out of make magazine.
[10:18] <[Saint]> "love, sensual, sweet sweet lovin'"
[10:20] <DoctorPenguin> lol
[10:20] <Aergan> retroarch-joyconfig -a /path/to/autoconfig/nameofdevice.cfg -t 4
[10:20] <Aergan> PLug / pair each device in turn, run that
[10:21] <Aergan> When you have created a config for each controller, it will dynamically map in RetroArch
[10:22] <Aergan> input_menu_toggle_btn = "16" for PS3 button to activate menu
[10:22] <Aergan> input_menu_toggle_btn = "10" for Xbox 360 controller to activate menu
[10:23] <DoctorPenguin> how does that work btw when the jstest says that those buttons are 7 and 6?
[10:23] <Aergan> I can swap between PS3, SNES, N64 and NES during the same session with ease
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[10:24] <Aergan> I can tell you what I'm using on Linux, Windows and Raspbian - the same as I've listed above :)
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[10:28] <DoctorPenguin> It detects my 360 controller though as "Generic X-Box pad"
[10:28] <DoctorPenguin> and it says in the default config
[10:28] <DoctorPenguin> select = 6 start = 7
[10:29] <DoctorPenguin> I mean I tried c/p a config like that from the forums and it didn't work. It ended up binding like analog controls left right to the start and select buttons
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[10:29] <Aergan> Is it a real xbox 360 pad?
[10:30] <DoctorPenguin> yes
[10:30] <DoctorPenguin> but it says its a generic
[10:30] <Aergan> Do you have any default Xbox files in the autoconfig directory?
[10:31] <DoctorPenguin> lemme check
[10:31] <Aergan> I found there was two files that would work for generic pads (non-official) but not for mine (official)
[10:32] <Aergan> I wouldn't worry too much about what it is detected as, just so long as you have a config file that matches it
[10:32] <DoctorPenguin> Theres nothing in the autoconfig directory even though both controllers work and are registered
[10:34] <Aergan> You'll want to remove the input bindings out of your main retroarch.cfg for input_playerx_joypad_btn etc
[10:34] <DoctorPenguin> will it allow me to have more than 1 player?
[10:35] <Aergan> Yes
[10:35] <DoctorPenguin> and will it work /w mame?
[10:35] <Aergan> Works for me with mame, though romset support is very legacy
[10:35] <Aergan> With autoconfig, each controller registered in turn should end up becomming a new player
[10:36] <Aergan> So for example, if I start with NES plugged in, that's Player #1
[10:36] <Aergan> If I then plug in the SNES pad, it's then player #2
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[13:46] <[Saint]> Why does notify-send not work over ssh?
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[13:47] <[Saint]> My limited understanding suggests it should.
[13:47] <[Saint]> It's perfectly sane that it doesn't, I guess, as I only wanted to be able to do so to craft amusing fake system errors for coworkers.
[13:47] <[Saint]> But, hey.
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[15:11] <lost_soul> 06:40 < Distraught> Well its not exactly browser issue. I have created a script that takes the posts from some of my websites and puts them into the big one which contains everything from the others
[15:12] <lost_soul> sorry, clicked in wrong window
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[15:18] <blockh34d> anyone have pistore installed and have a second to beta test the most recent update to my app Scamp? its free in Pi store, just posted a big update
[15:19] <blockh34d> if you can install it, try to play some media, and let me know how that worked out for you, i would much appreciate it, thanks
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[15:24] <[Saint]> blockh34d: any way of acquisition sans PiStore?
[15:24] <[Saint]> I suspect that drastically limits the user base.
[15:25] <[Saint]> (by my understanding practically no one uses it, comparatively)
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[15:25] <[Saint]> PiStore, I mean, not your app...but, indirectly, your app.
[15:26] <blockh34d> right, yeah its kind of a bummer how inaccessible pi store is for people
[15:26] <blockh34d> but for now its what i'm using since i want it to be super easy for everyone
[15:26] <blockh34d> unfortunately i have no other way to distribute the app right now
[15:27] <blockh34d> soon maybe i will but so far i have no budget for this project and it hasnt made me any income
[15:28] <[Saint]> Welcome to FOSS.
[15:28] <[Saint]> We're broke. Join us.
[15:29] <blockh34d> new features include multiple instances allowed at once (up to 3), multilanguage (english and russian, for now), editable playlists, tabs, tabs you can create from playlists, editable playlists, searchable/filterable playlists, and ability to rescan a playlists assigned folder with a click
[15:29] <blockh34d> yah i'm not even FOSS yet or i'd just put it on github
[15:29] <blockh34d> i'll be foss at some point, for sure
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[15:30] <blockh34d> but for now i want to have total control over the direction of the project, so if i need to make drastic changes its not like i need to factor in existing variants of the project to do it
[15:30] <[Saint]> Ah. Closed libs? Reliance on closed secondary components? Other?
[15:30] <blockh34d> hungry
[15:30] <blockh34d> i want everything i make to be free
[15:30] <blockh34d> but i also want to eat, so i keep my options open for now
[15:30] <cslcm> Hi all. Is anyone here good with OpenMax? I'm trying to implement a decoder and the video playback is *way* too fast. If I set OMX_TIME_CONFIG_SCALETYPE.xScale to 0, the video is paused, if I set it to 1, it plays as fast as the decoder is able. I have no idea what is wrong with this.
[15:31] <blockh34d> cslcm: check out hello_triangle.c
[15:31] <blockh34d> i'm pretty sure in that same folder is an example of loading a video and mapping it to a poly
[15:31] <[Saint]> There's no reason a FOSS app can't earn an income. You need to be smart about it, though.
[15:31] <blockh34d> plays fine for me (That sample that is). its using openmax
[15:32] <blockh34d> yeah my plan is to kinda hold it hostage on kickstarter
[15:32] <blockh34d> 'pay me or i remove the app'
[15:32] <blockh34d> something like that
[15:32] <[Saint]> I've had more success from things I've given out freely, and received donations from, than anything in this realm that I've sold.
[15:32] <blockh34d> what would you suggest [Saint] ?
[15:32] <cslcm> blockh34d: Thanks but that's a completely different thing - i'm decoding with FFMPEG and passing the raw frames into openmax
[15:32] <blockh34d> cslcm: ah yeah i think thats how omxplayer does it too, maybe have a look at how they handle it
[15:33] <[Saint]> Basic rule of thumb is either be the first, or the best, at something.
[15:33] <blockh34d> [Saint]: no one has donated anything to me yet, unless the website is lying to me
[15:33] <[Saint]> That's where the money is.
[15:33] <blockh34d> very possible, website thinks no one has downloaded it yet too, even though manually confirming the number with indiecity shows its been downloaded about 5k times so far
[15:33] <blockh34d> i'm the only media player on pi store
[15:34] <blockh34d> i think thats helping a bit
[15:34] <[Saint]> Problem is there's several dozen in apt repos.
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[15:34] <blockh34d> sure but they have problems
[15:34] <blockh34d> i like mine
[15:34] <cslcm> blockh34d: I would but the omxplayer repo is completely broken.. hardcoded locations designed for raspbian
[15:34] <blockh34d> 0.3% cpu overhead
[15:34] <cslcm> it's really difficult to compile on anything else
[15:35] <blockh34d> scans in folders at a time
[15:35] <blockh34d> handles multiple instances
[15:35] <blockh34d> works through SSH
[15:35] <blockh34d> even XBMC has some problems, performance wise... Not mine.. scamp can run up to 3 1080p videos at once, no problem
[15:35] <[Saint]> My gut tells me you need to act on promotion.
[15:36] <[Saint]> PiStore isn't an ideal vessel for getting this widely known.
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[15:36] <blockh34d> [Saint]: yah i bet, i havent hardly promoted it at all and its still the highest rated anything on pi store
[15:36] <blockh34d> barely two monthes old now
[15:36] <blockh34d> my plan is to just give it away
[15:36] <blockh34d> its a media player, who wants to pay for a media player...not me
[15:36] <blockh34d> i'll sell games
[15:37] <blockh34d> some donations would be nice thoug... i keep hoping some imaginary rich rpi user will think my project is cool and want to help me out
[15:37] <blockh34d> but i think maybe there are no rich rpi users
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[15:38] <blockh34d> [Saint]: could you help me promote it? not sure how, maybe you could mention it on your social media? i'm not really sure how people usually promote things like this.
[15:39] <cslcm> blockh34d : does your player render to an opengl surface?
[15:39] <blockh34d> cslcm: it could, it uses omxplayer and omxplayer can
[15:39] <blockh34d> but soon ill be writing my own omxplayer
[15:39] <blockh34d> its good enough for now so i'm using it but its days are numbered
[15:40] <blockh34d> you know omxplayer can map to gl surface right?
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[15:44] <cslcm> blockh34d: Yes
[15:45] <cslcm> but it's incredibly badly written
[15:45] <cslcm> I was hoping for something new
[15:45] <blockh34d> omxplayer has always been a champ for me
[15:46] <cslcm> you probably use raspbian
[15:46] <blockh34d> yes
[15:46] <cslcm> it won't compile on anything else
[15:46] <cslcm> hardcoded folder locations etc
[15:46] <blockh34d> yeah i'll be trying to work on that when i fork my own version
[15:46] <blockh34d> man i wouldnt even use a rpi withough omxplayer
[15:46] <blockh34d> that sounds horrible
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[15:47] <cslcm> I'm getting quite far with writing my own implementation but the playback speed thing is a bitch
[15:47] <blockh34d> i run it from the moment i wake up until an hour or so afte ri pass out, every day all day
[15:47] <blockh34d> yah sounds like a lot to do, good luck
[15:47] <blockh34d> sure would be nice to have other non-omxplayer options
[15:48] <blockh34d> but if you use Scamp to help smooth out the rough edges, its really not so bad
[15:48] <blockh34d> scamp gives it a playlist, fullscreen mid-playback toggle, easy windowed usage, a seek bar, a volume bar, that kinda stuff
[15:49] <cslcm> not really interested in UI myself.. this will be an unattended player
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[15:49] <Tijndagamer> Does anyone here from the EU has ever orderd something from ThePiHut?
[15:50] <blockh34d> cslcm: works through SSH, great for headless players too
[15:50] <blockh34d> soon it'll work through HTTP
[15:51] <cslcm> binary only i take it?
[15:51] <blockh34d> its all python but i havent posted the code yet
[15:51] <cslcm> ew
[15:51] <cslcm> never mind then, thanks anywya
[15:51] <blockh34d> its 'compiled' python, whatever that is
[15:51] <blockh34d> why ew?
[15:52] <blockh34d> python or that i didnt post the source?
[15:52] <cslcm> ew because that means it will be dependant on omxplayer being compiled separately
[15:52] <blockh34d> yah thats kind of a benefit though, for some users
[15:53] <blockh34d> if they already have omxplayer, theres almost nothing to install
[15:53] <blockh34d> what OS are you using? arch?
[15:53] <cslcm> homebrew
[15:53] <cslcm> <-- insane
[15:54] <blockh34d> k then have fun homebrewing everythign else too then ;)
[15:54] <blockh34d> i'm using raspbian since its encouraged as the 'default' for new users
[15:54] <cslcm> I really dislike debian
[15:55] <blockh34d> good luck! sounds like you have a big job ahead of you
[15:56] <cslcm> nah i've got everything working other than the playback speed issue
[15:56] <blockh34d> can you stream http radio?
[15:56] <cslcm> I don't want to
[15:56] <cslcm> but that is simple to do
[15:56] <blockh34d> its mandatory imo
[15:56] <blockh34d> <3 somafm
[15:57] <cslcm> do you think everybody uses their pi as a personal entertainment device? :P
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[15:57] <blockh34d> i think some people do
[15:57] <blockh34d> everyone could
[15:57] <blockh34d> i use my pi as a general purpose device
[15:58] <blockh34d> i'm on it now, i wrote scamp on it, and a game i have almost ready to release too
[15:58] <blockh34d> it is a fabulous media center
[15:58] <cslcm> except actually getting the content on there is horifically slow
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[15:58] <blockh34d> i just play media back off samba shares
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[15:58] <blockh34d> yeah i keep the content on samba shares on other computers
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[15:58] <cslcm> which requires that you have a PC running
[15:58] <cslcm> so why not just use the PC
[15:59] <blockh34d> it can't play 1080p to save its life
[15:59] <blockh34d> the pc that is
[15:59] <blockh34d> not for love or money, not even close
[15:59] <blockh34d> rpi doesnt even break a sweat
[15:59] <cslcm> love maybe not, but money would work :P
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[15:59] <blockh34d> nope, my netbook simply will not play a 1080p video
[15:59] <blockh34d> never, ever will happen
[15:59] <blockh34d> it cant even handle the screen resolution
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[16:00] <cslcm> do you have a netbook from 1995 or something? :P
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[16:00] <EastLight> my atom-based netbook can only play 1080p smoothly using "windows media player". flash, vlc etc. are choppy.
[16:00] <blockh34d> yah, 486
[16:00] <blockh34d> jk
[16:01] <blockh34d> EastLight: not mine... its atom based too..
[16:01] <cslcm> Ah
[16:01] <blockh34d> besides, windows just runs slow
[16:01] <cslcm> that explains it
[16:01] <blockh34d> too bloaty
[16:01] <cslcm> I really don't know why anybody bought an atom
[16:01] <blockh34d> cslcm: its a good computer to have when you're homeles
[16:01] <blockh34d> i knew i was going to be homeless for a while so i got a netbook
[16:01] <EastLight> I bought it for the fanless cpu :)
[16:01] <Poison[BLX]> because it was cheap, and it was the only reasonable option in that form factor ;)
[16:02] <blockh34d> EastLight: thats my fav thing about the rpi, hands down... I do not miss fan noise
[16:02] <cslcm> No ARM device? Atoms were basically launched to compete with ARM, and they were way behind and more expensive
[16:02] <cslcm> but i guess no windows on arm back then :)
[16:02] <blockh34d> although my netbook still has the same fan most laptops do
[16:02] <EastLight> indeed, fans should be a think of the past
[16:02] <EastLight> *thing
[16:03] <blockh34d> cslcm: no reasonable arm devices then, no. was using ubuntu anyways, still would be but the install went belly up so i've been on the wrong end of a dualboot for monthes, too lazy to reinstall/repair my ubuntu install
[16:03] <Poison[BLX]> the arm devices that had keyboards couldn't do much, the ones that didn't... didn't, when I was looking. Keyboard was sorta a killer feature for me, y'know, irc, ssh, etc.
[16:03] <EastLight> cslcm, I've used ARM since the days of Acorn, but ARM-based netbooks weren't common when I bought my eeepc
[16:04] <cslcm> yeah, netbooks perhaps not, I can see that
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[16:04] <cslcm> (btw - I'm in cambridge and often hang out with some of the old Acorn crew)
[16:04] <blockh34d> anyone able to try out my app's latest install?
[16:04] <EastLight> cslcm, oh cool. are you at cambridge uni?
[16:05] <blockh34d> i'd like to confirm it doesnt have any weird issues
[16:05] <cslcm> nah, i'm old
[16:05] <EastLight> k :)
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[16:05] * EastLight is also old(ish)
[16:05] <blockh34d> anyone know of any other media players for rpi that are multi-language?
[16:06] <blockh34d> i feel like i might be the first? i dont really count vlc since it doesnt really work on rpi
[16:07] <blockh34d> if anyone wants to help me translate it into other languages, email greyworld@gmail.com something to that effect and mention what language(s) you can help with, thanks
[16:07] <cslcm> Klingon?
[16:07] <blockh34d> sure why not
[16:07] <blockh34d> feringi too
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[16:15] <blockh34d> i wonder if theres unicode for klingon...
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[16:29] <KeyboardNotFound> Does some have installed ttylinux on raspberry pi ?
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[16:55] <djazz> I just installed Quassel Core (IRC client) on my always-on pi, replacing my tmux+weechat setup :D
[16:55] <blockh34d> how is it? i use irssi, its ok i guess
[16:55] <[Saint]> Welcome to the club.
[16:55] <blockh34d> my pi is 24/7 too
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[16:56] <[Saint]> If you want to get pedantic, though, its not a client. But, hey. :)
[16:57] <blockh34d> djazz: happy with your media player? i need someone to test out my latest updates
[16:57] <djazz> blockh34d: you then connect to it from your desktop client (Quassel Client) or smartphone
[16:57] <blockh34d> djazz: if you'd like to try it out, its 'scamp' in the pi store (free)
[16:57] <djazz> blockh34d: my.. media player?
[16:57] <blockh34d> djazz: well thats not gonna work for me, i use the rpi from right on the rpi
[16:58] <[Saint]> quassel-core is the main core, quassel-client, unsurprisingly, is the client, and quassel is a monolithic core+client binary.
[16:58] <blockh34d> djazz: ah ok n/m... you mention always on rpi i figured you use it for media player
[16:58] <blockh34d> i am amazed more people dont use their rpi's as media centers
[16:58] <djazz> blockh34d: i use a pi as web radio server
[16:58] <cslcm> again, not everyone uses their pi in the same way as you :P
[16:58] <blockh34d> djazz: you're serving up the radio or listening to one/more streams?
[16:59] <djazz> well, the web radio is splitted across three pi'
[16:59] <djazz> s
[16:59] <djazz> serving
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[16:59] <blockh34d> neat, what do you use for that? is it like the old icecast for winamp?
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[17:01] <djazz> blockh34d: Liquidsoap (handles the play queue and plays the main playlist, sends to icecast and scrobbles to last.fm), MPD (for managing media library and playlists only), Icecast (so others can listen, with some relays), PHP, some nodejs scripts (for queueing from ncmpcpp), nginx (web server)
[17:02] <djazz> in the past i just used MPD+icecast
[17:02] <blockh34d> djazz: neat, soon i hope ot have facilities for that in my media player
[17:02] <djazz> but it was hard to update the playlist, if I added a song remotely
[17:02] <blockh34d> its already doing a little bit of that
[17:02] <blockh34d> ah thats what it's doing really well actually
[17:02] <djazz> blockh34d: tune in :D http://radio.djazz.se
[17:02] <blockh34d> playlist managment is a strong point
[17:03] <blockh34d> k, if its pretty stable i could add it to my players 'radio.pls' list of stations thats included with the app
[17:03] <blockh34d> if you want that is
[17:03] <djazz> it'll be stable for a week atleast
[17:04] <djazz> moving out of my student apartment with nice 10 Mbit/s upspeed :(
[17:04] <djazz> next week
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[17:04] <cslcm> djazz: Nice music
[17:04] <cslcm> have you measured what sort of listener concurrency you can support with the pi?
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[17:04] <djazz> cslcm: not sure, i guess about 20
[17:05] <djazz> with that upspeed
[17:05] <djazz> idk
[17:05] <djazz> i have a relay that can handle more
[17:06] <djazz> I'm using git for my playlists :D https://gist.github.com/daniel-j/26188c2971fa5a8f1582/revisions
[17:07] <blockh34d> weird, i can't connect here
[17:07] <djazz> blockh34d: what browser? does it play MP3?
[17:07] <djazz> HTML5 Audio
[17:07] <blockh34d> djazz: oh i'm not in browser
[17:07] <djazz> ah
[17:08] <blockh34d> tring to play it back like the toher streams i have in my media player
[17:08] <blockh34d> maybe i need a certain port in there?
[17:08] <djazz> see the direct stream url
[17:08] <djazz> http://radio.djazz.se/stream
[17:08] <blockh34d> ah thats probably the way to go, sec
[17:08] <djazz> it's actually a redirect url
[17:08] <djazz> it's random what relay you end up to
[17:08] <blockh34d> is it D Jazz or DJ Azz?
[17:09] <djazz> d-jazz or dj djazz
[17:09] <blockh34d> there we god
[17:09] <djazz> dj jazz*
[17:09] <blockh34d> go even
[17:09] <blockh34d> cool thats what i'll put in the playlist entry description then
[17:09] <blockh34d> well let me know when/if you want me to bake your URL into my app
[17:09] <djazz> put djazz xD
[17:10] <blockh34d> will do
[17:10] <blockh34d> could max out your stream though
[17:10] <djazz> i only thought you wondered how to pronounce
[17:10] <blockh34d> nah i could help promote your stream i just worry it might overload it
[17:10] <djazz> hm, hold on a sec
[17:10] <blockh34d> so you let me know if you want more listeners and i'll include it with my app
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[17:12] <djazz> blockh34d: ok, now the relay will handle all the listeners
[17:12] <djazz> :D
[17:12] <djazz> not my pi
[17:12] <blockh34d> lol cool
[17:13] <blockh34d> ok i'll put it in there then if you want, if you want me to remove it later just msg me on irc, email me or leave a comment on the scamp app page
[17:13] <djazz> k :D
[17:13] <djazz> it will most likely be offline a week from now
[17:13] <[Saint]> "You just say the word, and I'll saturate line with brony music, k? Coolz"
[17:13] <djazz> since I can't broadcast from my home connection
[17:14] <djazz> only 80 kB/s up here
[17:14] <blockh34d> lol [Saint]
[17:14] <djazz> if even that
[17:14] <blockh34d> hey its nice music
[17:14] <blockh34d> nice break from somafm
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[17:14] <blockh34d> i listen to so much somafm i have their playlist pretty much memorized
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[17:15] <djazz> my radio is also on TuneIn http://tunein.com/radio/Parasprite-Radio-s225092/
[17:15] <djazz> if anyone use the tunein app
[17:15] <blockh34d> djazz: would you be able to try my app sometime? i just added a bunch of features and i'm worried about people having issues, i've tested it all myself but it seems like theres alwasy some little weird problesm that fly in under the radar
[17:15] * [Saint] just asks google to play him something from one of the near 65K tracks he has on Google Music
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[17:16] <[Saint]> "OK Google, play some music"
[17:16] <[Saint]> bleep bloop
[17:16] <[Saint]> <music>
[17:16] <blockh34d> [Saint]: similar features coming soon to my app
[17:16] <blockh34d> as is, command line looks like:
[17:16] <blockh34d> play random techno
[17:16] <blockh34d> etc
[17:16] <blockh34d> already very close
[17:17] <[Saint]> Relying on metadata?
[17:17] <[Saint]> Good luck with that.
[17:17] <blockh34d> no, users organize their own collections into playlists
[17:17] <blockh34d> then the playlists are referred to by name
[17:17] <blockh34d> like they were tables of a DB
[17:18] <blockh34d> also playlists can be tabs
[17:18] <blockh34d> so i have a techno tab, full of mixes etc
[17:18] <blockh34d> it probably sounds clunky but its pretty easy with how it can scan in a folder/subfolders at a time
[17:21] <djazz> blockh34d: I made this a year and a half ago: http://youtu.be/fDWOl3Dbb7Y?t=2h11m12s
[17:22] <blockh34d> ouch i'd d/l it but its huge
[17:22] <blockh34d> i'm on rpi so i have to use youtube-dl to youtube
[17:22] <djazz> dl the vid? lolz
[17:22] <djazz> ah
[17:23] <blockh34d> yah its the only way i've found to watch youtube on rpi
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[17:23] <djazz> omxplayer $(youtube-dl -g URL)
[17:23] <djazz> i think
[17:23] <djazz> stream, not download
[17:23] <blockh34d> neat, i didnt know about that
[17:23] <djazz> i think you can skip too, since it's over 2 hours long
[17:24] <djazz> try the cli youtube player by whitey
[17:24] <blockh34d> yah i will have a youtube-dl manager built into my player soon
[17:24] <blockh34d> nah
[17:24] <blockh34d> ;)
[17:24] <blockh34d> i'd rather it was all baked into my app
[17:24] <blockh34d> tired of typing a million things just to watch some video
[17:24] <blockh34d> too much work
[17:25] <blockh34d> my app will make it as easy as 'past the youtube link into a scamp window'
[17:25] <blockh34d> ugh but for now i sleep
[17:25] <djazz> http://i.imgur.com/RovqICe.png
[17:25] <djazz> screenshot from YT xD
[17:25] <blockh34d> curse you exhaustion! you win this round
[17:25] <blockh34d> google has screwed up youtube so badly i can barely stand to use it anymore anyways
[17:26] <blockh34d> google is trying really hard to convince me ot leave and never return
[17:26] <djazz> xD
[17:27] <blockh34d> lol your youtube page looks Very Berry
[17:27] <blockh34d> berry puns are contagious i swear
[17:27] <djazz> what? xD
[17:27] <blockh34d> i almost named my shooter game 'berry brawl'
[17:27] <blockh34d> came to my senses though
[17:28] <blockh34d> now its 'balistica'
[17:28] <djazz> i only have 2 rpi videos i think
[17:28] <djazz> no, 3
[17:29] <blockh34d> oh btw if you're running arch i think you'd have problems running my app
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[17:29] <blockh34d> in raspbian its beyond easy, two clicks and youre done... in other flavors...not so much
[17:29] <djazz> heh
[17:29] <djazz> dependencies or?
[17:29] <blockh34d> pretty much just omxplayer
[17:29] <blockh34d> but its a big one, and a dealbreaker
[17:30] <blockh34d> does omxplayer work on arch ok?
[17:30] <djazz> yes
[17:30] <djazz> you have to build it from AUR tho
[17:30] <blockh34d> is it there stock or you have to install it seperate?
[17:30] <blockh34d> ah
[17:30] <blockh34d> how long does that take?
[17:30] <blockh34d> does everyone do it?
[17:30] <djazz> idk, less than an hour i think
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[17:30] <blockh34d> do most arch users you know bother or they have something else they prefer?
[17:31] <djazz> i dont know any specific arch users
[17:31] <blockh34d> cool
[17:31] <djazz> im only using it, not been in the community
[17:31] <blockh34d> wlel i'm very tired
[17:31] <blockh34d> so i'll cyall
[17:31] <blockh34d> thanks for the tunes, good station!
[17:31] <djazz> np :)
[17:32] <djazz> you're building smth like this? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HrgPvr6pDV0
[17:32] <djazz> basically, a web radio player with YT and a queue
[17:32] <djazz> controlled from a smartphone
[17:33] <blockh34d> yah i guess its a lot like that
[17:33] <blockh34d> also plays video
[17:33] <blockh34d> i use mine a lot with my torrents
[17:34] <djazz> ye, mine also play video, since i use omxplayer
[17:34] <djazz> just connect a screen :D
[17:34] <blockh34d> so i put my tvshows in one folder, movies in another, etc etc, then whenever i d/l new stuff i can hit 'rescan' in that tab of my media player and it finds the new stuff
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[17:34] <djazz> aha
[17:34] <djazz> have you used OpenELEC (or other XBMC distro)?
[17:34] <blockh34d> soon it might do that automatically but generally that annoys me when apps try that so for now you have to click rescan
[17:35] <blockh34d> no not really, i keep meaning to but it looksl ike sucha chore
[17:35] <djazz> :)
[17:35] <blockh34d> i dont really use my rpi to play media, i just happen to want to be able to play media with it
[17:35] <blockh34d> i use rpi for other stuff
[17:35] <blockh34d> programming mostly
[17:35] <djazz> i have too many pi's xD
[17:35] <blockh34d> not possible
[17:35] <blockh34d> i have 3 and its not enough
[17:35] <djazz> i have 6, or 7..
[17:35] <djazz> just got model B+.. no idea what to do with it xD
[17:36] <blockh34d> soon i'll need at least a half dozen for beta testing multiplayer games i'm making for pi
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[17:36] <whiskers75> blockh34d: openelec isn't a chore
[17:36] <blockh34d> plug it in, put raspbian on it and tell me if you can install my app
[17:36] <whiskers75> if you have an sdcard spare
[17:36] <blockh34d> people tell me b+ has had some issues
[17:36] <blockh34d> whiskers75: i dont
[17:36] <blockh34d> i never even turn off this rpi
[17:36] <djazz> issues?
[17:36] <whiskers75> you can't modify it, that's the problem
[17:36] <blockh34d> turning off the rpi = chore
[17:36] <whiskers75> blockh34d: I used to run mine as a server ;P
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[17:37] <blockh34d> can't modify it like how? can't install other apps?
[17:37] <blockh34d> i need a media player i can use basically like winamp
[17:37] <blockh34d> ie along with other apps
[17:37] <blockh34d> so... Scamp
[17:37] <djazz> blockh34d: vlc? :)
[17:37] <blockh34d> its not winamp but it gets the job done
[17:37] <whiskers75> blockh34d: openelec can only run openelec
[17:37] <whiskers75> blockh34d: xbmc*
[17:37] <blockh34d> vlc is horrible on rpi
[17:37] <whiskers75> blockh34d: the system is readonly
[17:37] <djazz> but omxplayer something
[17:38] <blockh34d> whiskers75: that sounds horrible
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[17:38] <blockh34d> whiskers75: there is no chance i would ever put myself through that
[17:38] <blockh34d> just use omxplayer + scamp
[17:38] <blockh34d> probably plays back smoother anyways
[17:39] <blockh34d> but first... sleep
[17:39] <blockh34d> gnite
[17:39] <djazz> your app looks nice
[17:39] <djazz> gn
[17:39] <blockh34d> oh thta reminds me i have to post new screenshots
[17:40] <djazz> how do you make the gui?
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[17:40] <djazz> is it wmctrl?
[17:40] <blockh34d> no i use ncurses
[17:40] <blockh34d> http://s23.postimg.org/8n1jtp13t/2014_07_18_222321_1082x762_scrot.png latest screen shot
[17:40] <djazz> "Release Date: April 1st, 2014" lol
[17:40] <blockh34d> ?
[17:41] <djazz> april 1st
[17:41] <djazz> nice
[17:41] <MY123> blockh34d: VLC works really well for videos on a Pi .
[17:41] <blockh34d> i didnt even know it showed a release date
[17:41] <blockh34d> MY123: lies
[17:41] <blockh34d> didnt work for me
[17:41] <blockh34d> not even close
[17:41] <blockh34d> not even lores videos
[17:41] <djazz> blockh34d: http://www.raspberrypi.org/forums/viewtopic.php?f=35&t=73653
[17:42] <blockh34d> yup thats the one
[17:42] <blockh34d> that ascii dog looks *exactly* like my real dog btw
[17:42] <djazz> :D
[17:42] <MY123> blockh34d: It works but with building from sourxe.
[17:43] <MY123> *source
[17:43] <blockh34d> yeah that never workd out for me and i tried, a bunch
[17:43] <blockh34d> i even tried the precompiled vlcs
[17:43] <blockh34d> cross compiling, all that, such a total PITA, never worked, just use omxplayer+scamp, barely anything to install/build that way
[17:44] <blockh34d> also scamps playlists are already better than vlc and its nowhere near done yet
[17:44] <MY123> Wait. Have you your X11 log?
[17:44] <blockh34d> maybe but i'm way too tired to mess with it now
[17:44] <djazz> blockh34d: I will have to try out scamp, looks cool
[17:44] <blockh34d> also i'm not going to just start using vlc
[17:44] <blockh34d> i've already decided its not good enough, on its best day
[17:44] <djazz> where can i look at the code?
[17:45] <blockh34d> djazz: email greyworld@gmail.com and i'll email you a copy
[17:45] <blockh34d> its not public yet, still ironing it out a bit
[17:45] <MY123> Djazz: Closed source
[17:45] <cslcm> Could I ask someone to send me their omxplayer binary? :)
[17:45] <blockh34d> it will be foss soon but i want it kinda jelled first
[17:45] <djazz> ah
[17:45] <blockh34d> MY123: no i've always given the code to anyone that asks for it
[17:46] <cslcm> i'd like to try your player out blockh34d
[17:46] <cslcm> but i need an omxplayer binary :(
[17:46] <djazz> cslcm: what distro are you on?
[17:47] <blockh34d> cslcm: yah not sure how that'd work with your homebrew distro but i'd like to try ot sort it out, maybe you'll be around later and i can msg you when i'm less about-to-pass-out
[17:47] <cslcm> homebrew system (I'm working on a highly optimised project)
[17:47] <cslcm> ok :)
[17:47] <djazz> blockh34d: would be cool if you could support mplayer too, so your app could run on any linux machine
[17:47] <blockh34d> djazz: thats coming very soon
[17:47] <blockh34d> and i actually think it could be kinda epic
[17:47] <blockh34d> cause the more i think 'wtf vlc', the more i realize what a POS it is
[17:48] <djazz> blockh34d: oh and here's my liquidsoap script for no reason https://gist.github.com/daniel-j/2c8db53158f6000d6c7d#file-radio-liq
[17:48] <blockh34d> can it even save playlists yet? i dont think so
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[17:49] <blockh34d> djazz: oh cool thanks, looks like something i should check out real close, i'll be doing more of that kinda stuff soon
[17:49] <djazz> :D
[17:49] <blockh34d> ok, have a nice day all, cya
[17:49] <djazz> it barely runs on the pi.. the mp3 encoding is heavy
[17:49] <djazz> overclocked ofc
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[17:51] <MY123> blockh34d: It is closed source because I can't redistribute the code and not a clear license.
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[18:13] <siriusnova> i love my raspberry pi
[18:13] <siriusnova> but i dont know what to do with it
[18:13] <siriusnova> :S
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[18:15] <djazz> siriusnova: :D
[18:15] <cslcm> siriusnova: Build a robot
[18:15] <siriusnova> too much work
[18:15] <cslcm> pussy
[18:15] <siriusnova> i like the concept of a cheap linux box
[18:15] <siriusnova> but i dunno what to do with a cheap linux box
[18:15] <djazz> build a web server? :)
[18:15] <siriusnova> as i already have 4 computers
[18:15] <siriusnova> :S
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[18:35] <RoyK> hi all. I see from http://www.bartbania.com/raspberry_pi/iptables-security-part-ii/ that there should be an init script for iptables, but I can't find one. Should I just use /etc/rc.local?
[18:36] <siriusnova> anyone try maynard
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[18:38] <treats_> will camera module work with b+?
[18:39] <ShorTie> i wouldn't see why not
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[18:41] <shiftplusone> treats_, yes sir
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[18:41] <treats_> good news! thanks.
[18:42] <Poison[BLX]> siriusnova: migrate everything that needs to run the majority of the time to it (web server, etc), set up a wake-on-lan utility to remote-wake any of your other systems if you need them, then put the rest to sleep/hibernate/shut down when you're not in front of them. It's a good study in reducing clutter! :)
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[18:42] <siriusnova> hmmm good idea
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[19:09] <Johannes`> hi, amixer says under the only device 'PCM': Playback channels: Mono
[19:10] <Johannes`> using HDMI
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[19:13] <treats_> does b+ have different mounting config?
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[19:22] <Jusii> treats_: what do you mean?
[19:23] <Jusii> mounting a filesystem or mountin the hardware? :)
[19:23] <treats_> hardware
[19:24] <treats_> Hope so -- just picked this out: http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B00E8CB0XC/ref=ox_ya_os_product_refresh_T1
[19:24] <Jusii> yeah, the mounting holes are different
[19:24] <Jusii> but that one doesn't use them.
[19:24] <Jusii> i can have a quick look, just got one b+
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[19:26] <Jusii> outer dimensions are the same
[19:26] <Jusii> but the edges are rounded, that case maybe expects them to be sharp?
[19:26] <Jusii> corners
[19:27] <Jusii> other than that, case might work with B+
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[19:30] <Xedecimal> I finally found a great use for my raspberry pi! I wanted to hook up 6 12v solenoids to it and control them independenty, I'm guessing I'd need to have switches hooked up to the rpi and run the ground wires through that somehow right? Is there any kind of power switching tutorial out there? I'm really new to this stuff
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[19:38] <Poison[BLX]> Xedecimal: You'll want to isolate that 12v from the pi entirely, so an optically isolated relay for each would do the trick nicely. Something like this (you can find schematics to make your own easily if that's your preference): http://www.ebay.com/itm/221393795940 for reference of what I mean
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[19:39] <Xedecimal> these are 12v solenoids, what about this crazy guy ? http://www.adafruit.com/products/815#Technical_Details
[19:39] <Xedecimal> oh, I already said they're 12v, haha
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[19:39] <Xedecimal> this thing only goes up to 6v right ?
[19:40] <Poison[BLX]> note, a lot of the boards I've seen with that style relay have the traces for the high voltage side of the relay *entirely* too close to the low voltage side for my comfort
[19:40] <pksato> Xedecimal: what is power need for these selenoids?
[19:41] <Xedecimal> 500ma per solenoid
[19:41] <gordonDrogon> big solenoids.
[19:41] <pksato> you need a power transistor to drive it.
[19:41] <Xedecimal> I wanted to use a 12v 60w monitor power supply I found on ebay to power them
[19:42] <gordonDrogon> that ought to be fine.
[19:42] <gordonDrogon> what you could use is one of the many relay boards - use the relays to drive the solenoids.
[19:42] <Poison[BLX]> and yeah, that's only 6v capable, so without amplifying, won't do the job. The relay approach I pointed out separates switching them from driving them pretty cleanly.
[19:42] <Xedecimal> those are big solenoids? Is that a bad idea? Here's what I'm doing, I have gas lines run into kegs in a 6 tap kegerator system, output to 1/4 beverage tubes that run up to our beverage taps, mostly beer, I wanted a system that allow us to monitor output and even control distribution remotely
[19:43] <gordonDrogon> one of the issues with relay boards is that the Pi is only going to be able to drive about 4 x 5v relays though.
[19:43] <Xedecimal> so we can just switch on/off a line or it could let us know when a line has been triggered and possibly for how long as I build on it
[19:43] <gordonDrogon> so it starts to become complex.
[19:43] <gordonDrogon> Xedecimal, how much soldering can you do :)
[19:43] <Xedecimal> we're ok at soldering, I was thinking of breadboards and a tangled mess of wires
[19:44] <gordonDrogon> logic-level power mosfets are the magic solution.
[19:44] <Xedecimal> I'm more of a software guy than a hardware guy though, but I need to learn this crap some day
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[19:44] <pksato> or SSR.
[19:44] <gordonDrogon> https://www.sparkfun.com/products/10213
[19:44] <gordonDrogon> you'll need a flyback diode with those, but you can make that on stripboard.
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[19:46] <Xedecimal> looking up wikipedia on all of this stuff you guys just said, lol
[19:46] <gordonDrogon> SSRs are fine too - more expense, but do check the current going into their on-board opto-isolators. Some are more than a few mA.
[19:46] <Xedecimal> do you think 12v 500ma is too much of a solenoid for these lines ?
[19:47] <Xedecimal> <gordonDrogon> big solenoids.
[19:47] <pksato> Xedecimal: you have these selenoid valves?
[19:47] <Xedecimal> ok, a flyback diode is meant to take a heavy load of voltage and stop it from surging whatever is in front of it right ?
[19:47] <Xedecimal> I was looking at these: http://www.ebay.com/itm/1-4-NPT-Electric-Solenoid-Valve-12-Volt-DC-12VDC-N-C-RO-Air-Water-BBTF-/290723310425?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item43b075ab59
[19:48] <Xedecimal> or behind it I guess in this case, what comes after it? I need to get my terminology down too
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[19:51] <Xedecimal> if a cheaper weaker one would work that'd be awesome
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[19:52] <gordonDrogon> Xedecimal, big in terms of current needed. 12v @ 500mA is 6 watts.
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[19:53] <pksato> Xedecimal: http://www.bristolwatch.com/ele/transistor_drivers.htm
[19:53] <Xedecimal> yeah, but only for a few seconds at a time and only one will be being used at a time
[19:53] <Xedecimal> reading transistor drivers page
[19:53] <Xedecimal> was just reading up on how mosfets work, lol
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[19:54] <gordonDrogon> Xedecimal, your circuit would look like this: http://www.picotech.com/applications/pwm_drivers/graphics/mosfet.gif
[19:54] <gordonDrogon> ignore the actual component parts used there - but that's what your circuit would look like.
[19:54] <gordonDrogon> you have a solenoid where they have a motor.
[19:54] <Xedecimal> what is the LT10A04 ?
[19:55] <Poison[BLX]> Xedecimal: what's the pressure in your lines?
[19:55] <gordonDrogon> it's a diode. 1N4004 is the device you need.
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[19:55] <gordonDrogon> and the mosfet is the one off the sparkfun site.
[19:55] <Xedecimal> it varies, for something like bud light we'd be pushing like 5 pounds, for something like a good stout we'd be closer to 14, but we'd never go over 20 I don't think
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[19:56] * gordonDrogon sighs. Pressure measured in pounds... )-:
[19:56] <Xedecimal> haha, sorry, maybe I have a conversion on the regulator
[19:58] <Poison[BLX]> hehe, I'm guessing that's psi, at least. I'm one of them darned 'mericans, so psi is what I think in for pressure outside of wing design
[19:58] <gordonDrogon> Oh I can convert OK, just don't need to.
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[19:59] <gordonDrogon> spent too much time scuba diving in the US.
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[20:00] <Poison[BLX]> Xedecimal: http://www.adafruit.com/products/997
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[20:02] <Poison[BLX]> that can handle over 100psi (.8Mpa), requires a minimum of ~3psi (.02Mpa) to operate right, and *can* operate at as little as 6v apparently. You can also get them incredibly cheap on ebay, but... I like adafruit. :P
[20:02] <Xedecimal> err yeah psi, we aren't over 15 on any
[20:02] <Xedecimal> and I don't think we will go that high
[20:04] <Poison[BLX]> yeah, but it's a lot cheaper than what you were looking at, and smaller I believe. Also, 3.84W is better than the 6W you're looking at, as long as you're pusing at least the 0.02 Mpa
[20:04] <Poison[BLX]> ;)
[20:04] <Xedecimal> awesome, that brings the price from $82.50 to $41.70 and uses less power
[20:05] <Poison[BLX]> yep
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[20:05] <Johannes`> hi, amixer gives me " Playback channels: Mono
[20:05] <Johannes`> ", why is that?
[20:06] <cslcm> hdmi / TV output perhaps?
[20:06] <Johannes`> hdmi yeah
[20:06] <cslcm> perhaps your TV is mono only?
[20:06] <Johannes`> it's not
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[20:06] <Johannes`> it's connected to a sound bar with an optical cord
[20:07] <cslcm> but the TV itself isn't mono?
[20:07] <Johannes`> pretty sure it isn't
[20:07] <Johannes`> sony bravia
[20:09] <Johannes`> huh, "On my laptop, amixer also says the master control is mono, but that just means you can't adjust the left and right channel separately. The sound itself is stereo"
[20:10] <Johannes`> that is.. logical
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[20:49] <snuggyfoo> Does anyone have the program pianobar working?
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[21:05] <snuggyfoo> disregard
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[21:23] <treats_> I'm familiar with Python and I'm excited to embark on my first project. All my equipment is in the mail. What are some of good tutorials to get me up to speed?
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[21:24] <shiftplusone> if python is your thing, then maybe take a look at adafruit tutorials
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[21:30] <almostworking> adafruit is great......
[21:31] <Poison[BLX]> +1 to that. Python's not my thing, personally, but I've used adafruit's docs quite a bit over time.
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[21:32] <geordie> yeah, they've spent a lot of time and effort to produce great tutorials
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[21:50] <MY123> treats_: Do you use Python 3 or 2?
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[22:21] <treats_> MY123: by familiar, I mean 'completed python codeacademy'
[22:21] <treats_> I'm guessing that was 2, but I doubt I'd be able to tell the difference
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[22:56] <Boscop> hi. i can connect to my pi with ssh but it says wrong password. why?
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[22:57] <ShorTie> cap lock on maybe ??
[22:57] <Poison[BLX]> are you specifying username? are you using the correct password for the image you're booting?
[22:57] <shiftplusone> I'd imagine it's because the password is wrong =S
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[22:57] <shiftplusone> (ssh doesn't lie)
[22:58] <Boscop> i'm doing: ssh pi@
[22:58] <Boscop> and the password is raspberry
[22:59] <shiftplusone> sure you're sshing to what you think you're sshing to?
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[23:04] <Boscop> shiftplusone: yes
[23:05] <ShorTie> does it work from a keyboard ??
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[23:09] <Boscop> Poison[BLX], shiftplusone, ShorTie: at least i assumed the password was raspberry. how can i find out the root password when i'm logged in as root?
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[23:09] <mhoney> Boscop, just sudo su then do a passwd and set the root password
[23:09] <ShorTie> there is no root password by defualt
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[23:11] <Boscop> ShorTie: so the default password for user "pi" is "raspberry" and for "root" is ""?
[23:11] <gordonDrogon> no root password by default - which blocks 'su', so sudo passwd root ... to set one
[23:11] <pksato> Boscop: OS is raspian?
[23:11] <Boscop> yes
[23:11] <ShorTie> yes for pi and there is no root password set by defualt
[23:12] <Boscop> ok, i did that, now i can ssh as root with raspberry but still not as user "pi"
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[23:13] <Poison[BLX]> well, as root, you can force the password for pi to whatever you like.
[23:13] <MY123> Boscop: can you cat /proc/cpuinfo and pastebin it? Also /etc/lsb-release
[23:14] <ShorTie> if you are logged in as root, i believe you can dp 'passwd pi' and reset it
[23:14] <Boscop> Poison[BLX]: but the default password for user "pi" should be "raspberry", right?
[23:14] <Poison[BLX]> should, for raspbian, yeah. Last I checked anyhow.
[23:14] <MY123> Boscop: Do what I said above. To be sure.
[23:14] <blockh34d> Boscop: model B or model b+?
[23:15] <Boscop> ok, it works now, i set both passwords to "raspberry"
[23:15] <blockh34d> i've heard some odd reports about b+, for example b+ users seem to have issues with one of my apps dependencies installing as expected
[23:15] <Poison[BLX]> we don't need to know what your passwords are, whether your pi ever sees the internet or not ;)
[23:15] <blockh34d> really basic dependency too(figlet)
[23:16] <MY123> Boscop: Can you pastebin /var/log/bootstrap.txt (spindle) ?
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[23:17] <blockh34d> Boscop: was this a brand new never used Pi? maybe you got one at the store that had already been returned? i'm surprised the password wasnt the default
[23:18] <Boscop> MY123: https://clbin.com/xktch
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[23:19] <MY123> Boscop : 2013-06-19 image ! Try to flash a newer one.
[23:19] <ShorTie> MY123 did you just make him download a bunch of crap ??
[23:20] <blockh34d> that is alarmingly out of date
[23:20] <MY123> ShorTie: upload. And that file has the build date of the image.
[23:20] <blockh34d> at least get the xmas of last year update, the X11 experience got way better then
[23:20] <Poison[BLX]> ShorTie: that's a log from when the image as built ;)
[23:21] <Boscop> MY123: so i have to overwrite everything?
[23:22] <blockh34d> Boscop: if it were me, i'd just get teh latest noobs and totally start over... that is way too out of date to be worth the effort, imo
[23:22] <ShorTie> ok, didn't see the date of 2013-06-19 sorry
[23:22] <MY123> Boscop: apt-get dist-upgrade is good, but overwriting is better.
[23:22] <ShorTie> try doing a apt-get update/upgrade
[23:23] <Boscop> MY123: what does overwriting do that apt-get upgrade doesn't?
[23:24] <MY123> Boscop: Installing optimisations like X11 fbturbo.
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[23:25] <ShorTie> i agree, with it being that old, i think it is best to start with a fresh image
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[23:26] <Boscop> ok
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[23:27] <Boscop> MY123: what's the best way to do that?
[23:27] <Poison[BLX]> also, one streaming write's not quite as harsh on the SD card as downloads, unpacking, copying into place, cleaning up, configuring, etc for every package like the upgrade approach would be.
[23:28] <blockh34d> and thats assuming it all goes to plan, kind of a big if imo
[23:28] <blockh34d> ok app request time
[23:28] <ShorTie> do you have a way to write to a sdcard ??
[23:28] <blockh34d> what kind of app would you (anyone) like to see on the rpi?
[23:29] <ShorTie> if so get http://downloads.raspberrypi.org/raspbian_latest
[23:29] <Boscop> yes, i have a card reader that can write too
[23:30] <ShorTie> on a windows, linux or other pc ??
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[23:30] <Poison[BLX]> blockh34d: realtime openstreetmap data rendering in gles... lots of bonus points for nav support ;)
[23:30] <Boscop> windows, but i have linux in vmware
[23:31] <blockh34d> Poison[BLX]: oh i might be working on something like that real soon anyways
[23:31] <ShorTie> no, windows is fine
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[23:31] <ShorTie> get win32diskimager
[23:31] <ShorTie> and use it
[23:31] <blockh34d> Poison[BLX]: for this contraption: http://s13.postimg.org/kvykdw2dz/IMG_2521.jpg
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[23:32] <Poison[BLX]> I spy stereo camera-pis, don't I?
[23:33] <blockh34d> http://assets.indiecity.com/64f59fdc-56fd-4243-9a7b-4ffb7d7f3cc4/screenshot_1405891793.png <-- the more i look at my UI the more i hate it :/ Any suggestions to make it less ugly?
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[23:33] <blockh34d> Poison[BLX]: yes, the no-ir versions, with 160degree fisheye lenses for each
[23:33] <blockh34d> i can stand in one corner of a room and see all other corners, its kinda neat
[23:34] <blockh34d> soon i hope to have that working as a 3d data entry device, like a 3d scanner you wear on your head
[23:34] <shiftplusone> blockh34d, I like it. Apart from the green selection line thing
[23:34] <blockh34d> shiftplusone: i just added ability to change the color of that... which color do you think you'd prefer? maybe cyan, or yellow?
[23:35] <blockh34d> shiftplusone: actually now it allows up to three instances and each instance has its own highlight color, so you can keep track
[23:35] <shiftplusone> and the random green asterisk on the right
[23:35] <blockh34d> i should try to find 3 colors i can use that aren't ugly
[23:35] <blockh34d> that marks where in the list of songs the current entry is
[23:36] <blockh34d> if you click it, it focuses it... i think its maybe a little out of 'alignment' with the scrollbar though
[23:36] <shiftplusone> The colour's not the issue, why is the line there in the first place? It's inconsistent. On the right, it ends in the box, on the left, it keeps going...
[23:36] <blockh34d> it does look a little weird there though, thats true
[23:36] <shiftplusone> Other than that, can't fault it
[23:36] <blockh34d> yah at first i had it go all the way across the screen but it seemed weird to have it go through the scrollbar
[23:37] <blockh34d> hey thanks a lot for the feedback/input!
[23:37] <blockh34d> i'll see if i can iron those wrinkles out somehow
[23:37] <blockh34d> it works in russian now too
[23:37] <shiftplusone> np and keep it mind I'm knitpicking. it's good overall
[23:37] <shiftplusone> why in russian? O_o
[23:37] <blockh34d> nono, its good i appreciate the fine-tooth comb approach to problem solving
[23:38] <blockh34d> shiftplusone: i know some russians online and they were the first to offer to help
[23:38] <blockh34d> soon it'll be in every language i can get unicode to display
[23:38] <blockh34d> which should be most of them
[23:38] <shiftplusone> Ah, I thought you might be Russian... in which case I wouldn't be able to talk to you anymore D=
[23:39] <shiftplusone> (don't take that seriously, I'm half Russian)
[23:39] <blockh34d> no, ohio here
[23:39] <blockh34d> haha ok
[23:39] <blockh34d> hey do you speak the language? mind helping me confirm my translation is good?
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[23:39] <shiftplusone> sure
[23:40] <blockh34d> http://postimg.org/image/zecp7dz23/
[23:40] <blockh34d> that screenshot is a little out of date but the terms havent changed
[23:42] <MrMobius> shiftplusone, shouldnt it be povtorit not povtor?
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[23:42] <blockh34d> MrMobius: which button are you referring to? i dont speak any russian at all, cna't read it at all
[23:43] <blockh34d> same interface in english is a few lines up this buffer
[23:43] <shiftplusone> MrMobius, nuh, I think povtor is fine. povtorit would be like 'to repeat'
[23:43] <MrMobius> it means repeat and it is to the right of the green button that means next
[23:43] <blockh34d> great, thanks
[23:43] <shiftplusone> the 'none' button doesn't make too much sense
[23:43] <blockh34d> now i speak a littl emore russion
[23:43] <MrMobius> looks like NOBTOP
[23:43] <blockh34d> shiftplusone: that is for 'select none'
[23:43] <blockh34d> what would make more sense?
[23:43] <shiftplusone> the way it's written there it sort of says "it's empty" or something
[23:44] * blockh34d makes a note of it
[23:44] <shiftplusone> basically the adjective form of empty
[23:44] <MrMobius> ya, its an adverb. is it a command? then it should be a verb.
[23:44] <blockh34d> All/None/Invert is th egoal
[23:44] <MrMobius> try translating "nothing"
[23:44] <blockh34d> great i'm glad i asked
[23:45] <MrMobius> you should get HI4EBO
[23:45] <blockh34d> i'll try to get my russian ppls to iron that out a bit
[23:45] <shiftplusone> ничто maybe?
[23:45] * blockh34d logs
[23:45] <MrMobius> this IRC program doesnt show Russian shrift
[23:45] <shiftplusone> ni4to
[23:45] <blockh34d> i'll be re-posting that language defs file very often for a while
[23:45] <shiftplusone> I'm rusty, so I won't be able to find the right words, I can only point out what doesn't sound right.
[23:46] <blockh34d> shiftplusone: thats perfect, thanks a bunch
[23:46] <shiftplusone> you can try ##russian or ##russkij, they're fairly friendly.
[23:46] <blockh34d> yup, already there
[23:46] <blockh34d> also #belarus
[23:46] <blockh34d> other languages people would like to see this in?
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[23:46] <blockh34d> i figure german and spanish are next, then french and italian
[23:46] <shiftplusone> ancient sanskrit
[23:46] <shiftplusone> >.>
[23:47] * shiftplusone ducks
[23:47] <geordie> joual
[23:47] <blockh34d> klingon was requested a bit too
[23:47] <Poison[BLX]> ooh, harsh.
[23:47] <blockh34d> if theres unicode klingon chars, i'd do it
[23:47] <shiftplusone> what's harsh? O_o
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[23:47] <Poison[BLX]> that'd be a difficult task :P
[23:47] <blockh34d> translating to klingon? nah
[23:48] <blockh34d> toughest part would be trying to figure out how to get the interface to punch you in the eye
[23:48] <shiftplusone> your random button is strange too
[23:48] <Poison[BLX]> I meant the sanskrit variant
[23:48] <blockh34d> i think thats mandatory for klingon interfaces
[23:48] <shiftplusone> I think that means accidental, rather than just random
[23:48] <blockh34d> ah yah i wouldnt know where to begin there
[23:48] <blockh34d> hmm ok so the 'none' buttons and the 'random' button look a little odd, anything else?
[23:48] <MrMobius> blockh34d, why dont you try to find WinAmp or iTunes in Russian and see how that is labeled?
[23:49] <shiftplusone> Maybe fire up.... yeah what MrMobius said
[23:49] <blockh34d> MrMobius: i might, but irc has so far been easier all around... i just post the word list, people fill in the blank, i save it to the languages folder and its done
[23:49] <shiftplusone> It's one thing to translate the word directly, but common usage might for such things might be different
[23:49] <blockh34d> soon users will handle their own translations i think
[23:50] <blockh34d> then they'll upload to central repository and vote on which is best
[23:50] <blockh34d> so if osmeone trolls it, it wont make it too far
[23:50] <Poison[BLX]> but then you might get a 1337 mode!
[23:50] <blockh34d> i'm ok with that
[23:50] <blockh34d> i mean, look at it... obviously
[23:50] <Poison[BLX]> if it's as good as nmap's, it'd be great.
[23:51] <blockh34d> i'm -> <- this close to adding a matrix dripping text effect
[23:51] <Poison[BLX]> their scriptkiddie output mode's pure gold.
[23:51] <blockh34d> havent tried it yet, i'll have to give that a look
[23:51] <Poison[BLX]> look at cmatrix for the font ;)
[23:51] <blockh34d> cool
[23:51] <blockh34d> unicode probably has something hiding in there too
[23:51] <blockh34d> 110k chars
[23:52] <blockh34d> what kind of time/clock is preferred? 24 hr format or 12 hr format with am/pm suffix?
[23:52] <blockh34d> right now i kinda like "Sun 05:52 PM'
[23:52] <Poison[BLX]> 24hr takes up less screen
[23:52] <blockh34d> yah thats true
[23:53] <Poison[BLX]> but that's my selfish point of view ;)
[23:53] <blockh34d> its what my taskbar is set to
[23:53] <blockh34d> but it just feels kinda off putting
[23:53] <Poison[BLX]> mine's 2-line, a bigger 17:55 with a line below of "Sun, 20-Jul-14"
[23:54] <blockh34d> monstrous
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[23:55] <blockh34d> well thanks everyone for the input
[23:55] <blockh34d> gonna chew on that a while, see what comes of it
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