#raspberrypi IRC Log


IRC Log for 2014-07-22

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[0:12] <girafe> is the new raspberry pi ?
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[0:14] <MY123> girafe: The new Raspberry Pi has gone to market a week ago(model B+). FR notice: Merci de parler avec un meilleur anglais la prochaine fois.
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[0:58] <aka> Does anyone suggest steps or a guide to trouble shooting a rpi that doesn't work with camers? I have 2 rpi's and on one two different camera work and on the other the two cameras do NOT work.
[0:58] <aka> Hoping to troubleshoot this intelligently
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[0:59] <shiftplusone> what does vcgencmd get_camera say?
[0:59] <koell> shiftplusone: :3
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[1:00] <MY123> aka: What does say vcdbg log msg when you try to use raspistill ?
[1:01] <aka> shiftplusone: supported=1 detected=1
[1:01] <aka> MY123: I'll try now and let you know
[1:02] <beng1> are you sure you have enough gpu ram set? Camera only works with 128 meg or more
[1:02] <MY123> beng1: Vcdbg log msg say about OOM events.
[1:02] <shiftplusone> so i2c works and it's finding the camera. What happens when you try to use it? does the LED come on, do you get an error? what does your config.txt look like?
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[1:03] <MY123> shiftplusone: Don't try too fast, see the logs before.
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[1:07] <aka> a192503.396: mmal: fail_destroy: Timed out waiting to destroy ril.camera
[1:08] <aka> 194585.596: mmalsrv: send_buffer_to_host: tx failed:size 292 st -1
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[1:08] <aka> those are two I see between tons of: gpioman: gpioman_get_pin_num: pin POWER_LOW not define
[1:08] <MY123> aka: vcgencmd version
[1:09] <aka> MY123: version d8cfa5ccd979ca458fef97e87c14eb804c93762b (clean) (release)
[1:09] <MY123> aka: The build-date ?
[1:10] <MY123> (too lazy to search the hash)
[1:10] <aka> my bad
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[1:11] <aka> Jul 20 2014 16:03:57
[1:11] <MY123> aka: vcgencmd get_mem
[1:13] <aka> error=2 error_msg="Invalid arguments"
[1:13] <MY123> aka: Try to sudo raspi-config and enable RPi camera. And reboot.
[1:13] <aka> ok doing that now
[1:14] <shiftplusone> or just pastebin config.txt, since any problem with that will be obvious
[1:16] <aka> after reboot camera is still not working :(
[1:17] <aka> https://gist.github.com/orther/a4974090d3cf828d5ddc
[1:17] <aka> that's my /boot/config.txt
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[1:17] <shiftplusone> yup. no problems there
[1:17] <aka> Beofre I came ehre I tried using the same SD Card and camera as another rpi that successfully shows camera live preview
[1:18] <aka> and it's black
[1:18] <aka> so I was pretty confident it isn't normal filesystem based configs
[1:18] <shiftplusone> are they both model b rev2?
[1:18] <aka> I'm pretty new to rpi though so I'm not that confident about anything in all honesty :D
[1:20] <aka> both the Pi's have Raspberry Pi 2011.12 printed on the board, not sure if that is how I confirm that
[1:20] <aka> the cameras sate Rev 1.3
[1:21] <MY123> aka: Are they made in Wales ?
[1:21] <shiftplusone> output of cat /proc/cpuinfo, where it says revision at the bottom should help
[1:21] <aka> ahh ok
[1:21] <aka> both say Made in the UK
[1:21] <aka> Revision : 000e
[1:21] <MY123> aka: So rev2.1 . A defective Pi?
[1:22] <shiftplusone> or a firmware bug
[1:22] <aka> MY123: that is what it looks like to me (although I must put out the disclaimer that I am lacking experience so can't be confident of it)
[1:22] <aka> I assume everything is my fault at this point :)
[1:23] <aka> although it's starting to seem like a faulty rpi
[1:23] <MY123> shiftplusone: If it is The Big Nasty Blob Based on ThreadX by ExpressLogic With Broadcom (R) Drivers, that is bad.
[1:24] <MY123> shiftplusone: Sorry if it's a little too harsh.
[1:24] <shiftplusone> I don't care, I've never liked closed blobs.
[1:27] <MY123> shiftplusone: Is there a TPM in the BCM2835 ? With the BCMICS stack headers, there is one.
[1:27] <shiftplusone> Don't ask me the internals of it
[1:28] <MY123> shiftplusone: I know the response, there is one which is enabled on the RokuII but disabled on a Pi.
[1:29] <MY123> Was just a quizz.
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[1:39] <koell> shiftplusone: can you give me that bread site from gordonDrogon once again pls?
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[1:40] <MY123> koell: projects.drogon.net , unicorn.drogon.net
[1:40] <shiftplusone> koell, sure, http://moorbakes.co.uk/
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[3:00] <[Saint]> {$appropriate_time_of_day_greeting}
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[3:04] <ShorTie> Good Morning
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[3:08] <MY123> [Saint]: Currently working on Freeblob.
[3:09] <SirLagz> [Saint]: lol. Morning
[3:10] <MY123> And it's 2AM currently. Good night.
[3:14] <ShorTie> but it's always Good Morning when you see someone for the first of the day
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[3:29] <MY123> ShorTie: Except if you are in a country , where ANYBODY sleep before 3AM and wakes before 10AM.
[3:30] <MY123> *NOBODY
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[3:54] <Anthaas> Hi guys, could a raspberry pi run as an XMPP server?
[3:55] <Anthaas> For example: ejabberd
[3:55] <MY123> Anthaas: It works fine and use very little CPU.
[3:56] * lazier is now known as lasers
[3:56] <Anthaas> MY123: Sweet - just need to find some sort of instruction to set the thing up now :P
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[3:56] <Anthaas> Thats XMPP as in the IM protocol, yes?
[3:56] <Anthaas> Not XAMPP
[3:57] <MY123> Anthaas: Yes, the chat protocol, set if following the Debian procedure, like a PC without any modification.
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[3:57] <MY123> *set it
[3:58] <Anthaas> Im new to the whole thing and am starting knowing very little :P
[3:58] <Anthaas> I want to create an instant messenger app :D
[3:58] <Anthaas> For fun
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[3:58] <Anthaas> Im not new to programming etc haha
[3:58] <Anthaas> Just to clear that up
[3:59] <MY123> Anthaas: Program exactly like on a PC. A PC program can be recompiled to work on a Pi.
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[3:59] <MY123> *except a few cases like OpenGL desktop.
[4:00] <Anthaas> Ahh cool - thanks :D
[4:00] <Anthaas> The chat app will start as a mobile app, then Ill look into making it a desktop app
[4:00] <Anthaas> and other stuff
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[4:05] <MY123> Anthaas: It is useful to say that you can recompile a Windows app if you have the source code to work on a Pi(Wine for ARM). I can publish a download link.
[4:06] <Anthaas> That'd be awesome - thanks :D
[4:08] <MY123> Anthaas: https://drive.google.com/uc?id=0Bzj6Jo7OvWk-el9xMXd6QmZkWmM&export=download
[4:09] <Anthaas> Thanks :-)
[4:09] <Anthaas> ice?
[4:10] <MY123> Anthaas: ICE was an old name for one of my Win32 programs. I just used Wine to port it on a Pi.
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[4:10] <Anthaas> ahh cool
[4:11] <MY123> (Propretary software, Anthaas , can't share)
[4:11] <ukscone> Anthaas: rather than ejabberd i'd go with prosody as it's lighter, easier to setup and lots of mods that do cool things & it's in lua so not as funky a programming lang as erlang
[4:11] <Anthaas> Its fine :D
[4:11] <Anthaas> Ahh cool thanks :D I dont know Lua D:
[4:11] <Anthaas> sh*t
[4:12] <ukscone> Anthaas: you don't need to know lua although it helps but it's easier to not knmow lua than it is to not know erlang when it comes to hacking things
[4:12] <ukscone> :)
[4:12] <Anthaas> Ahhh cool thanks :D
[4:12] <Anthaas> Right - anyone here mind helping set this thing up, so I can start working on the app?
[4:13] <MY123> ukscone: Lua is fine , but is very far from a beginner language and use some principles from Visual Basic.
[4:13] <MY123> (At least in syntax)
[4:14] <ukscone> Anthaas: there is an ok piece in magpi about setting up prosody, it misses a lot of the cool stuff but the basics are there. issue 23 i think
[4:14] <ukscone> maybe 22
[4:15] <MY123> ukscone: Bizzare. I'm nearly the only one using Wine for ARM for useful work (porting OpenSource windows apps).
[4:17] <MY123> I got trained on C and Java1.3 but C++ and recent Java are much different.
[4:17] <MY123> *more
[4:17] <Anthaas> I much prefer Java
[4:17] <Anthaas> much tidier/friendly language
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[4:18] <Anthaas> hmm
[4:18] <MY123> Anthaas: The assembly is more friendly. ;)
[4:18] <Anthaas> sudo apt-get install prosody returned a 404 on a few things
[4:18] <Anthaas> on lua related things
[4:18] <MY123> Anthaas: sudo apt-get update
[4:19] <Anthaas> ahh cheers - Im a pi noob :P
[4:19] <Anthaas> and a linux noobish
[4:22] <MY123> Anthaas: No problem. I'm an experienced user and never opens the GUI, except for watching pictures(but setting the res and bpp then cat image.raw > /dev/fb0 also works).
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[4:28] <Anthaas> hmm its installed now, just trying to work out where I create this cfg file
[4:29] <MY123> Anthaas: dpkg -L prosody |grep /etc
[4:29] <Anthaas> I think I have to create it in conf.avail but cd to that folder isnt letting me
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[4:30] <MY123> Anthaas: do a sudo -s to cd in the folder.
[4:31] <Anthaas> ty
[4:31] <Anthaas> ls
[4:31] <Anthaas> oops
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[4:32] <Anthaas> Is an IP address an acceptable FQDN?
[4:32] <MY123> Anthaas: NO. If you want a host name without DNS : vi /etc/hosts
[4:34] <MY123> Anthaas: Hope that you learned to use that file on Windows, it is in system32 there.
[4:34] <Anthaas> Ahh cool - so if I, for example, have my raspberry pi (also localhost on here) as I could enter this in here and give it a domain name, e.g. example.com and use that instead?
[4:35] <Anthaas> not necessarily a domain, just a name really
[4:35] <Anthaas> could just be "johnsmith"
[4:36] <MY123> Anthaas: It is better to use localdomain as domain. You can do without domain but XMPP will not work then.
[4:36] <Anthaas> so in the cfg file, what do I put as the host?
[4:37] <Anthaas> currently says VirtualHost "example.com"
[4:37] <Anthaas> Oh hang on haha
[4:37] <Anthaas> blonde moment :P
[4:39] <[Saint]> Crrrrrrrrrrrrraaaaaaaaaaaaaaaap. :-/
[4:39] <[Saint]> Machine locked up and I lost the past half hours work. :-/
[4:39] <Anthaas> Ok, currently it says: Component "conference.example.com" "muc"
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[4:40] <Anthaas> Do I change this to something within the hosts file?
[4:40] <MY123> [Saint]: Do you know how to use MagicKeys? Or running 'sync' frequently.
[4:41] <MY123> Anthaas: do a man hosts.
[4:42] <[Saint]> I have my editors set to autosave after each edit, but something fell over in the background and it wasn't saving my working history.
[4:42] <[Saint]> Normally a sudden powerdown or lockup wouldn;t be an issue.
[4:42] <[Saint]> But something fell over that borked my auto-saving and history.
[4:44] <MY123> [Saint]: Does your PC stalls on Microdollar Windows? It may be a bad driver.
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[4:45] * [Saint] hasn't used Windows in half a decade.
[4:46] <[Saint]> I would rather kick myself in the face.
[4:47] <MY123> [Saint]: Have not used Windows since 2000/XP. But at that time, buy good hardware or no graphics or Kernel Panic.
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[4:51] <MY123> [Saint]: It is a very bad time to buy a new PC. Because of Trusted Computing 'Secure boot'.
[4:53] * [Saint] hasn't purchased a packe PC in over a decade
[4:53] <[Saint]> I build all my systems by hand
[4:53] <Anthaas> Right
[4:54] <Anthaas> Apprently I now have this XMPP set up
[4:54] <[Saint]> s/packe/package/
[4:54] <Anthaas> Now to work out how to A) Allow users to register from a mobile application
[4:54] <MY123> [Saint]: By hand also. But for laptops...
[4:54] <[Saint]> Yep. Laptops too.
[4:55] <[Saint]> I have several laptops I have built by hand.
[4:55] <treats_> has anyone here played with the camera yet?
[4:55] <johnc-> yay! my audio app works through the openmax API :D
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[4:57] <MY123> [Saint]: In France, even motherboards which one can buy have Secure Boot. Currently using Coreboot-supported HW.
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[4:58] <MY123> treats_: Try with the USB fixes. You can then use $INSERT_NAME_OF_USB_CAMERA.
[4:59] <treats_> I'm talking abotu the camera module
[5:00] <MY123> Anthaas: Android , iOS , Meego, Tizen, or Symbian ?
[5:00] <Anthaas> Android
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[7:27] <voxeldork> When you don't have a 3D printer, the box the pi comes in works well as an enclosure =P http://www.imgur.com/a/GeKrl
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[7:50] <voxeldork> .close
[7:50] <voxeldork> Oops
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[8:27] <gordonDrogon> mornings.
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[9:26] <jasabella> hi :)
[9:28] <jasabella> how 'robust' is the picamera stack?
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[10:00] <Walther> Hello folks! I noticed there is a new, improved model around - B+ - and it seems to have more USB ports and improved power behavior. Is the controller for the usb+eth the same or has it been changed? I used to have lots of issues with eth/usb throughput, causing IO errors and crashes
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[10:42] <gordonDrogon> Walther, it's the same controller - just the 4-port version.
[10:42] <gordonDrogon> Walther, do make sure you're up to date with kernel & bootloader though. There have been many changed in recent months to the USB code.
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[10:43] <gordonDrogon> Walther, also - check your PSU - the B+ has improved power handling which might help marginal power supplies, but there is no substitute for a good quality PSU for the Pi.
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[10:50] <Walther> gordonDrogon: Ooh, in recent months even. I remember following the patches and supposd fixes from launch to about a year ago or so, nothing really improved in my use cases. And yeah, power is a common issue, but I was using a 2A rated psu for the pi and a powered usb hdd, it was just the eth+usb throughput that had issues (so perhaps some properly tweaked QoS:ing could help at the driver level, whoknows.)
[10:52] <gordonDrogon> Walther, the latest kernel is 3.12.22+ #691.
[10:54] <Walther> nod, I haven't tried using the pi (and hence updated) in quite a while, i just remember a while back the fixes just wouldn't fix it for me. Will try with the current updates, but my main question was indeed if the B+ had any significant updates related to the possibility of running the pi with a usb hdd while expecting medium to high throughput (nas use)
[10:55] <gordonDrogon> nothing at the hardware level, other than improved power handling - e.g. it can source 1.2 amps out of its USB ports if needed.
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[11:00] <Walther> oh, that's nice, might actually be enough to power a 2.5" usb hdd on its own given a good enough psu for the pi itself
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[11:03] <P-NuT> Hi all, I know how to extend the root partition of raspbian to the whole card, but is there a way to tell it only to grow to a moximum of 4gb?
[11:04] <ShorTie> yes, do it manually
[11:04] <ShorTie> you can pick any size then
[11:05] <gordonDrogon> you just need to be careful when manually changing the partition size.
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[11:06] <gordonDrogon> although I think if you put the SD card into another PC and run e.g. parted on it, then you can do it via a GUI.
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[11:09] <P-NuT> but if it's in the Pi already and using the / partition how are you going to run fdisk to resize it?
[11:12] <nid0> by running fdisk, and resizing it
[11:13] <ShorTie> sudo fdisk /dev/mmcblk0, p, d, 2, n, enter, enter, enter, pick your #, w, sudo reboot, sudo resize2fs /dev/mmcblk0p2
[11:13] <nid0> that ^
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[11:19] <gordonDrogon> well - do check the partition numbers - if it was a Noobs install, there will be others.
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[12:26] <vodka> guys how do I split a single screen into four displays with pi
[12:27] <vodka> i need to show 4 different notifcations
[12:28] <iceCalt_> Might consume more vodka Kappa
[12:29] <SpeedEvil> vodka: what do you mean?
[12:29] <shiftplusone> vodka, console or X11?
[12:29] <SpeedEvil> Define screen
[12:29] <SpeedEvil> In some cases, screen is the answer
[12:29] <shiftplusone> some cases? If screen isn't the answer, the question is wrong >.>
[12:31] <vodka> my led display
[12:31] <SpeedEvil> vodka: what are you truing to do
[12:31] <rigid> vodka: with http://wiki.niftylight.de
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[12:35] <vodka> speedevil i want to display 4 images on my led divided in 4 spaces on my led
[12:35] <SpeedEvil> Actual details.
[12:35] <vodka> im a amatuer and used codeacademy to learn python
[12:35] <SpeedEvil> What is 'my LED' what is 'images' what is 'spaces'
[12:37] <vodka> speed EVIL bro hahah u are too kind 1 ) one led tv 2) need to divide the display in 4 different displays 3) All 4 of them need to be differnet
[12:37] <rigid> smells like gstreamer
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[12:38] <vodka> rigid i can achieve this with the link you provided me ?
[12:38] <vodka> im thinking of using pygame
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[12:38] <vodka> and display 4 different images
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[12:38] <vodka> what do you think
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[12:39] <rigid> vodka: yes, but it's overkill. niftyled is made for custom LED hardware. for a normal tv screen, gstreamer alone should be enough
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[12:39] <vodka> rigid not a custom led i have a led tv
[12:39] <rigid> i'd divide the screen in the game renderer
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[12:40] <vodka> and then i want to create a gui to select images for each of the 4 division which route is best
[12:40] <mgottschlag> what do you want to show?
[12:40] <vodka> just images
[12:40] <mgottschlag> ah, static images?
[12:40] <mgottschlag> hm
[12:40] <vodka> yes
[12:41] <mgottschlag> you might want to look into SDL, you can use that with python
[12:41] <mgottschlag> and SDL can be used to load images and display them
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[12:44] <vodka_> rigid how to make gui with python
[12:44] <vodka_> because i need to select 4 images for each of the sections on the screen'
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[12:45] <mgottschlag> if you want a real GUI, there's pyGTK or pyQt
[12:46] <vodka_> mgottschlag and which image library should i use please tell easiest one gstreamer looks confusing
[12:46] <vodka_> i am a windows user from start
[12:46] <mgottschlag> static images or videos? gstreamer is only for videos
[12:46] <mgottschlag> and most GUI libraries already have functions to load images
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[12:47] <mgottschlag> SDL does, Qt does, GTK does
[12:50] <gordonDrogon> you can use RTB which uses SDL to load images and move them about the screen - you need to write in a basic-like programming language though :-)
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[12:56] <Encrypt> Hi!
[12:56] <Encrypt> Has anyone played with MPI on multiple Raspberry Pis here?
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[13:01] <RahulAN> Hii all
[13:02] <RahulAN> is there any guide to interface fingerprint module with rpi?
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[13:03] <almostworking> not that i know of RahulAN ive not looked thou
[13:04] <RahulAN> almostworking, Sorry, i didn't get you
[13:05] <RahulAN> It have tx and rx pins in this module can we interface it serially?
[13:06] <gordonDrogon> RahulAN, Yes, but the Pi's serial port is 3.3v.
[13:07] <RahulAN> so how to make it compatible?
[13:07] <gordonDrogon> so if the fingerprint scanner is also 3.3v then you'll be fine - else you may have to either use an adapter circuit for a "proper" serial interface or a resistor divider for a 5v ttl one.
[13:08] <RahulAN> Ohkk
[13:08] <gordonDrogon> RahulAN, don't know how to make it compatible because we don't know what voltages it outputs - only you have that information right now.
[13:08] <RahulAN> Okk. I will give this try tommorw.
[13:08] <gordonDrogon> maybe if you told us the device you are using - e.g. link to it on amazon/ebay/shop or a data sheet then we might be able to help...
[13:10] <pksato> RahulAN: you have a link to datasheet of the module?
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[15:44] <skulltip> do ARMS not support flash codec, meaning alot of youtube videos will fail?
[15:46] <iceCalt_> I heard you can use html5 for YT
[15:46] <shiftplusone> eh? flash codec? youtube? ARMS? lots of stuff wrong with that question, not sure where to start.
[15:47] <shiftplusone> The pi's hardware can cope with the video codecs youtube uses just fine
[15:47] <shiftplusone> BUT, it does not run flash
[15:47] <shiftplusone> so you'd need to download the video with youtube-dl first and then play it with omxplayer
[15:47] <skulltip> ok ty
[15:47] <shiftplusone> luckily, there are browser plugins which do this for you
[15:47] <shiftplusone> and the new browser which will be coming out does this very transparently so, youtube should feel like youtube
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[15:49] <skulltip> cool.. i opened pandora's box with these single board computers
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[15:55] <tanuva> I'd claim that x86-only flash is the main problem here, everything else is mostly a question of computing power
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[15:56] <tanuva> So you're not that deep into the box yet :)
[15:57] <skulltip> not yet, looking at banana pi though. might fit what i'm looking for.
[16:01] <leio> flash is not x86-only
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[16:02] <leio> but probably out of luck for ARMv6 unless using alternatives than adobe flash or pepperflash.
[16:03] <leio> so, flash works on ARM, but probably not the old version RPi uses.
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[16:06] <iceCalt_> What do you mean by old?
[16:06] <tanuva> Wasn't that canceled altogether when they pulled flash from android?
[16:06] <iceCalt_> The model of rpi?
[16:06] <leio> tanuva: ChromeOS
[16:07] <tanuva> leio: oh, interesting
[16:07] <leio> raspberry-pi (RPi) uses an ancient ARM architecture family known as ARMv6; most proprietary things ignore that, and only support ARMv7 and upwards, which has neon instructions and new/different general instructions (iirc); so those binaries don't run on an ARMv6.
[16:08] <leio> This is also one big reason why things like raspbian exist - debian and other binary distributions also generally only build with ARMv7 as the lowest; so raspbian regenerates all the packages for ARMv6
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[16:09] <leio> tanuva: iirc some people have digged out the chrome packages with pepperflash from there with varying success and legality, but I doubt there's any ChromeOS built for ARMv6 (but not sure)
[16:09] <leio> didn't adobe support some ARMs at some point as well?
[16:11] <leio> as far as alternatives go, there's lightspark, gnash, shumway, swfdec
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[16:12] <leio> for youtube, probably best to play those outside browser, or try with HTML5 with a browser that is capable of accelerating the video via openmax
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[16:13] <leio> (maybe midori or epiphany with gstreamer openmax stuff present and fully working, see e.g http://www.raspberrypi.org/web-browser-beta/)
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[17:27] <LordThumper> Hi, does anyone know what component I could get to replace the MicroUSB port in the old B model?
[17:29] <gordonDrogon> another �USB port? (you've broken it? how?)
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[17:31] <LordThumper> I'm not sure, guess it's wear and tear
[17:31] <LordThumper> It works, kind of. But if I move the USB cable even slightly it reboots
[17:32] <LordThumper> And sometimes the pi does not get power until I move the USB cable
[17:33] <LordThumper> The SD card slot is flimsy too, gonna order a replacement
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[17:33] <LordThumper> The pi does not boot all the time
[17:33] <Juxtapositional> Have you tried a different cable?
[17:33] <LordThumper> Yes
[17:34] <gordonDrogon> http://uk.rs-online.com/web/p/micro-usb-connectors/7142347/
[17:34] <Juxtapositional> Yeah the ports on the pi are somewhat flimsy.
[17:34] <shiftplusone> flimsy?
[17:34] <LordThumper> gordonDrogon: Is that compatible?
[17:35] <shiftplusone> sd slot... sure... everything else?
[17:35] <Juxtapositional> Prone to failure.
[17:35] <gordonDrogon> LordThumper, http://www.raspberrypi.org/forums/viewtopic.php?t=42910&p=344338
[17:35] <gordonDrogon> was where I got that link to RS from.
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[17:36] <shiftplusone> not really. The SDL slot is rubbish, some people use the capacitor for leverage, but everything else takes some effort to damage.
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[17:36] <shiftplusone> SDL!? SD* >.>
[17:36] <gordonDrogon> �USB...
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[17:37] <LordThumper> The microUSB broke through wear and tear
[17:37] <gordonDrogon> I have a board with the big capacitor knocked off (not one of mine, well it is now as it was donated to me)
[17:37] <LordThumper> gordonDrogon: It works without that
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[17:37] <LordThumper> ?
[17:38] <LordThumper> Or do you get random reboots?
[17:39] <shiftplusone> It's there to filter the power, so it should work, but it might be prone to reboots
[17:40] <LordThumper> Well the replacement SD slot and the microUSB would cost me 10 Euros
[17:41] <LordThumper> I should probably get a new B+
[17:41] <LordThumper> I can probably bypass the microUSB port and power throuh the GPIO pinds
[17:42] <LordThumper> pins*
[17:42] <shiftplusone> No electronics you could steal them off?
[17:42] <shiftplusone> yeah, that'll work
[17:42] <shiftplusone> the cheap usb sd card readers often have the same slot
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[17:43] <shiftplusone> (it's many times cheaper to buy such sd card readers and take the slots off than buying the slots directly, go figure)
[17:43] <LordThumper> Is a PI not booting all the time (red LED) caused by a bad SD Card slot?
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[17:43] <shiftplusone> yeah, if the ACT LED is glowing dimly
[17:43] <LordThumper> Yeah, I have a cheap SD -> USB dongle I could salvage
[17:44] <shiftplusone> triple check it's the same type, I guess
[17:44] <LordThumper> ACT?
[17:44] <LordThumper> What color is that?
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[17:44] <shiftplusone> might be labled 'OK' if it's a really old pi
[17:44] <LordThumper> It's a second generation B
[17:44] <shiftplusone> green
[17:44] <LordThumper> No only the red light turns on
[17:44] <LordThumper> And its solid
[17:44] <shiftplusone> you might not be looking close enough
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[17:46] <Encrypt> Ça fait bien une heure qu'il est en train de faire le make...
[17:46] <Encrypt> Whoops, wrong channel
[17:47] <LordThumper> maybe
[17:47] <Shardvexz> lol
[17:47] <edjuh> Parbleu Encrypt
[17:48] <Encrypt> I'm compiling MPICH 3.1.2 on the Raspberry Pi
[17:48] <Encrypt> It's still working after 1 hour...
[17:48] <Encrypt> (Only the make)
[17:48] <Encrypt> edjuh, :p
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[17:49] <LordThumper> Better compile on something faster :P
[17:49] <edjuh> It could take a long time indeed
[17:49] <LordThumper> My router compiles faster than the pi ;p
[17:49] <Encrypt> :D
[17:50] <nid0> hope you're using ccache, at least future recompiles will be nice and quick
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[17:56] <iceCalt_> uh. newer raspbian and noobs version looks so noice
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[18:13] <lost_soul> ppq: I tested the (what I think is the more powerful PSU) and it had an output of 5.15V (this is the PSU with the 5 foot cable)
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[18:15] <lost_soul> that particular supply gives about 4.25V testing on the Pi board itself
[18:16] <lost_soul> I haven't yet tested the output of my nexus 10 charger (the nexus charger had lower voltage when the output was tested on the Pi)
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[18:18] <gordonDrogon> I still don't understand why you'r use ccache if you have a properly constructed Makefile...
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[18:26] <lost_soul> hmmm, now I'm even more confused.. someone said they thought my power problem might be the result of the remote sensor drawing to much power and said hooking it up via a powered usb hub might help. After plugging the hub in to the Pi it turns on even though the microusb PSU isn't plugged in.
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[18:27] <lost_soul> the television does some very weird stuff too.. it looks like it wants to run but it pulses (for lack of a better term) like the power is browing out
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[18:28] <lost_soul> I would assume this is due to the powered usb having less power than the normal PSU has and since the normal PSU isn't connected it just isn't enough
[18:29] <lost_soul> this conversation is likely better suited to #hardware but I figured one of you guys may have experienced similar?
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[18:35] <gordonDrogon> lost_soul, a Pi model B/2 will be back powered by most usb hubs.
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[18:42] <lost_soul> gordonDrogon: will this cause an issue and possibly fry the Pi if I also plugged in my microUSB psu.. The way it stands this is even less power than I had before (I'm assuming since prior it would actually boot)
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[18:44] <lost_soul> I may be being overly cautious, but I just can't afford to fry it as I have no cash to replace it currently.
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[18:44] <gordonDrogon> lost_soul, if you plug both PSUs in, then it will probably work OK.
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[18:45] <gordonDrogon> in theory, one PSU might back-feed into another if it's higher voltage.
[18:45] <lost_soul> gordonDrogon: possible fire hazard?
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[18:45] <gordonDrogon> hard to tell - it depends on the PSU.
[18:45] <gordonDrogon> I have done it myself in the past with now fire (and no other side-effects), but maybe I was just lucky?
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[18:46] <gordonDrogon> I suspect most people do it with powered hubs without even knowing that the hub is back-powering the Pi.
[18:46] <lost_soul> gordonDrogon: I'll give it a try and keep a close eye on it. Thanks for the input m8!
[18:46] <gordonDrogon> The B+ has widgetry to protect against this though.
[18:46] <lost_soul> I can't afford a B+, yet anyways
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[18:46] <lost_soul> will purchase one when I'm able to though. They look quite nice.
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[18:48] <gordonDrogon> yea.
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[19:14] <lost_soul> so far, so good
[19:14] <gordonDrogon> good!
[19:15] <lost_soul> will test the voltage on the pi itself when the movie is done
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[19:18] <Kake_Fisk> If I have already set an static ip on my raspberry on a different network and that ip is not valid on this network. Do I have any chance to connect to it without connecting a screen and keyboard?
[19:21] <bsch00> configure another pc with static networking on the same subnet, ssh in and change network parameters
[19:22] <lost_soul> an easier approach might be to configure the normal network to assign a specific ip to the Pi based on it's MAC address.. This way you can just use DHCP and it will get the correct ip on the home network and still pull a working ip on other networks
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[19:23] <lost_soul> most SOHO routers allow for this. You can also setup dhcpd.conf to do this if you are using a linux/bsd based system to do routing
[19:23] <gordonDrogon> I keep all my Pi's on static IPs - although the rate times they're off my soho LAN, I direct connect to my Laptop and adjust if needed.
[19:24] <bsch00> lost: that won't work if dhcp isn't enabled on the interface, which is usually the case with a static ip
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[19:26] <lost_soul> bsch00: by default most distributions come with dhcp enabled, of course setting a static ip would likely disable that but it isn't hard to put a tick in the radio button or whatever to allow dhcp again
[19:27] <bsch00> yeah, and that would require hooking up a screen and keyboard
[19:27] <lost_soul> don't get me wrong, I'm all for knowing what systems have what ips.. much easier than figuring it out each time.. but setting it up so a system gets the same ip based on mac address and keeping the interface using dhcp is easier if the device will be moved from network to network frequently
[19:28] <lost_soul> bsch00: or ssh access
[19:28] <pksato> if know ip, just set other host with ip on same network. Easy to do it on linux. need more effort on others OSs.
[19:29] <pksato> if have root or admin access.
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[19:33] <DanDare> Hello. Im going to try to write raspbian image onto the SD card. The image contains the partition table of what size of SD card? 8GB?
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[19:35] <Twist-> DanDare: I think it'll still fit on a 2GB card
[19:35] <lost_soul> DanDare: the size doesn't matter, unless it is simply to small. I've installed to 4GB cards so 8 will be more than enough
[19:35] <Twist-> DanDare: Last time I went to the store, I couldn't find anything smaller than 8GB, so it's becoming a moot point.
[19:36] <Twist-> DanDare: You'll see an option to expand the partition on the SD to the size of the card during your first boot and initial confguration.
[19:36] <DanDare> lost_soul, ok thanks. But considering theres just 1 version of the image, the partition table contains the partitions sizes etc. I wonder if im going to be able to resize the partition after installing it.
[19:36] <lost_soul> DanDare: yes, you can
[19:36] <DanDare> Or well, maybe then i just create another partition with the remaining space
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[19:37] <DanDare> Oh cool. Never tried changing ext4 partition size, maybe gparted will just do it
[19:37] <DanDare> Ah got it Twist-, thanks
[19:37] <Twist-> DanDare: they've got a little curses config app that launches on first boot.
[19:37] <lost_soul> DanDare: some distributions ask you if you want to resize them at the end of the install.. I've never actually used raspbian so I can't say whether that does or not.
[19:38] <DanDare> ok
[19:40] <bsch00> raspbian has it automated, the partition resizing
[19:40] <DanDare> Actually my pi should arrive today, so doing the SD work already :)
[19:40] <DanDare> I see, thanks bsch00
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[19:45] <DanDare> pi doesn't have internal voltage regulator, right? So I will need some good external adapter?
[19:45] <DanDare> Ah, well, can just do it using USB power perhaps
[19:46] <DanDare> but then, I read that USB ports are rated to 500mA max, commonly
[19:46] <DanDare> by the other hand pi is rated for 700mA IIRC
[19:47] <lost_soul> DanDare: which Pi did you get, the B+?
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[19:47] <ShorTie> best to hafe at least a 1amp, if not 2amp, 5.0-5.2vdc power supply
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[19:47] <ShorTie> have*
[19:47] <DanDare> lost_soul, no, just the B. And sadly, I dont know yet what revision its
[19:47] <DanDare> I see
[19:47] <DanDare> maybe not a good idea having it powered on the USB port
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[19:48] <lost_soul> power it via the microusb as it is intended to be powered
[19:48] <DanDare> ok
[19:48] <lost_soul> that at least has some protection
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[19:49] <lost_soul> I have had oodles of problems with power on my B even with a 5V 2A supply. I've just today added a powered usb hub which apparently is adding more power to it which will hopefully rectify the issue I have been having.
[19:50] <lost_soul> I'm not saying you'll have these problems, but choosing a good PSU isn't always the easiest thing in the world.
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[19:53] <DanDare> lost_soul, interesting. Maybe noise on the power supply?
[19:53] <DanDare> lost_soul, i didnt checked yet what type of circuitry pi has to filter noise/bad power
[19:54] <DanDare> lost_soul, first thing I guess is check if the power supply is really feeding right 5.0V
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[19:55] <DanDare> some bad quality adapters are very weird in regard this. Like ones labeled as 5V but 7V in reality. I got in the past 13V out of a declared 9V supply, so, it's scary
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[19:56] <lost_soul> DanDare: PSU has an output of 5.15V
[19:57] <DanDare> it looks good I guess
[19:57] <lost_soul> I have two supplies I've tested, each of which had about 4.25V when tested on the test locations on the Pi.. haven't checked since I plugged in the powered usb hub, will be doing so a bit later this evening.
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[19:58] <DanDare> lost_soul, how do you know problems you have are related to power?
[19:58] <DanDare> 4.25V sounds bit low imo
[19:58] <lost_soul> I'm using a usb powered remote sensor that (people here seem to think is pulling to much power)
[19:59] <DanDare> i think that in a further step i will be adding my own power regulator inside pi's case
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[20:00] <lost_soul> DanDare: well, for one power is a huge problem people face with the Pi so statistically it is more than likely what is causing the freezing I experienced.
[20:01] <DanDare> lost_soul, I see
[20:01] <lost_soul> and I'm only attaching one usb device (just the remote sensor). I've swapped out PSU's, sdcards and basically everything else I thought of that might be at fault. Once I saw the voltage levels on the Pi power also made the most sense.
[20:01] <DanDare> well, try using a totally different power supply maybe
[20:02] <DanDare> bummer
[20:02] <DanDare> lost_soul, you got B+ ?
[20:02] <lost_soul> DanDare: I tested with two supplies, one I built from an external hdd supply and the charger for my nexus 10. The charger for the Nexus actually provides less power even though it is a newer unit.
[20:03] <lost_soul> DanDare: no, just a B
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[20:03] <lost_soul> I will get a B+ once I have the cash to do so though
[20:03] <DanDare> let's see then. If I got this types of issues we will need to go hunt for the causes :p
[20:04] <DanDare> *get
[20:04] <DanDare> lost_soul, tried other operating system than you normally use ?
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[20:04] <Twist-> DanDare: The two power issues you're likely to encounter are a) power fluctuations from cheap USB adapters causing instability in the pi itself. b)instability by USB devices trying to draw more power than is left over after the PI takes its cut from the incoming 500ma.
[20:05] <lost_soul> DanDare: you might be okay.. The reason I say that is because some distributions seem to work better with less power than others. I have minimal freezing using an old openelec build, however when I tried to run the latest it would freeze within two minutes
[20:05] <Twist-> DanDare: solutions are a) use better power supplies b) use a powered hub for hungry peripherals
[20:05] <lost_soul> installing raspbian as a test it ran without a freeze
[20:06] <DanDare> nice Twist-, thanks
[20:06] <DanDare> lost_soul, interesting. Im not used to ARM, but maybe then OS fault? No idea ...
[20:07] <Twist-> b.1) watch out for cheap powered hubs that backpower/backvolt the usb controller in violation of the spec.
[20:07] <lost_soul> Twist-: my hub is back powering :(
[20:07] <DanDare> Twist-, yeah. And its very common, unfortunately
[20:07] <Twist-> b.2) this is bad for computers, but amusingly, the Pi can power itself this way.
[20:08] <lost_soul> thats why I am interested to see what voltage the pi shows now
[20:08] <DanDare> well, for a sensible part like the pi I should really be using my own set of 7805 + big enough caps
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[20:09] <lost_soul> DanDare: yea, I know very little about the Pi or the ARM architecture. The people in here have been great helping me through the issue.
[20:09] <DanDare> Maybe pi doesn't get very nice protection against noise, if true, better using some linear power conversion than SMPS
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[20:10] <Twist-> or just get a low noise usb charger. I like apple for this.
[20:10] <DanDare> cool
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[20:11] <DanDare> lost_soul, you may end soldering some "big" caps on the pi's power inputs :p
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[20:11] <Twist-> heh.. I has some cheap travelocity giveaway charger running a pi at the shop.. thing would not stay stable for more than 12 hours, and kept corrupting SD cards
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[20:12] <Twist-> I swapped in a leftover charger from a bose headset.. *bam* stable for two weeks now.
[20:12] <DanDare> Yeah... been reading stuff about card corruption. I hope i dont get such thing
[20:12] <ShorTie> don't go cheap on your power supply, it will nothing but cause you problems
[20:12] <lost_soul> DanDare: I'm not good enough with electronics to tackle something like that... at least not without a youtube video or some really good documentation (with pictures) to walk me through it.
[20:12] <Kake_Fisk> I've never had problems with sd cards
[20:12] <DanDare> pi B rev1 is much worse than rev2 in regard power supply ?
[20:13] <DanDare> or SD corruption ?
[20:13] <Twist-> DanDare: the newly released B+ has a better power circuit
[20:13] <lost_soul> hmmm, wonder what revision I have now that you mention it
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[20:14] <Twist-> lost_soul: does your board have mounting holes and 512meg ram?
[20:14] <lost_soul> Twist-: it does
[20:14] <Twist-> the reva had no mounting holes, and only 25g meg.
[20:14] <Twist-> 256meg
[20:14] <lost_soul> ah, so I have a B
[20:15] <DanDare> SD card really requires steady power, otherwise you get bad stuff like corruption etc
[20:15] <Twist-> (not to be confused with the model a, which has mounting holes, 256 meg ram, and no ethernet)
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[20:15] <DanDare> lost_soul, for B version theres Rev1.0 and Rev2.0 IIRC. I dont know the differences though
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[20:16] <Twist-> DanDare: Those are the differences I just called out.
[20:16] <lost_soul> I wonder if their is a way to easily determine what revision of the B one has
[20:16] <DanDare> Oh, mine has 512MB, so its Rev2.0 ?
[20:17] <Twist-> http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/9/90/Front_of_Raspberry_Pi.jpg
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[20:17] <Twist-> http://www.raspberrypi.org/wp-content/uploads/2012/09/sony-rasp-pi.jpg
[20:17] <lost_soul> I've had it almost 2 years now.. maybe the first revision of the B's
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[20:18] <DanDare> lost_soul, it must be printed somewhere
[20:18] <Twist-> iirc they also swapped out a polyfuse to make the second revision Bs a little happier with backvolting
[20:18] <lost_soul> DanDare: it may be, I haven't really looked at the board since I got it and placed it in its case
[20:19] <DanDare> Twist-, I hope mine is rev2 then
[20:19] <Twist-> DanDare: what's your application?
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[20:20] <DanDare> Twist-, you mean, what im going to use pi for ?
[20:20] <Twist-> yes
[20:20] <Twist-> on an unrelated note, here's the new hotness. http://www.raspberrypi.org/product/model-b-plus/
[20:20] <DanDare> Twist-, dude, its incredible but I dont know exactly yet :p
[20:20] <DanDare> I guess I will be doing tests to see how far it goes, then decide
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[20:20] <DanDare> Actually I have a couple of ideas about how to use it
[20:21] <Twist-> DanDare: Heh.. I'm just wondering if it'll be a little bit SadTrombone for you. If you already know electronics and programming, it's really just a cheap slow linux box. :D
[20:21] <DanDare> one project is doing it a mobile backup unit, that detects registered clients automatically and perform backups
[20:22] <DanDare> Twist-, I know a bit of electronics and im a regular linux user
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[20:23] <DanDare> A media center using MPD for ampache... well, among other funny things
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[20:23] <DanDare> I think I will end with a set of SD cards with system setup for each "mode"
[20:23] <Twist-> X11 2D graphic performance is particularly bad
[20:23] <DanDare> Oh, will me installing MAME on it thats sure also :D
[20:24] <Twist-> as is anything that hits the disk if you boot off SD
[20:24] <lost_soul> DanDare: you might like to look at openelec if you are considering using it as a media center type system. It is very nice.
[20:24] <DanDare> Twist-, ok. Thats what I stated also, by watching some youtube videos
[20:24] <DanDare> lost_soul, thanks for saying it. I will take a look
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[20:25] <Twist-> raspbmc and openelec are the two main canned XBMC distributions
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[20:26] <DanDare> Ah right, i see some videos about XBMC and pi also, it looks promising
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[20:26] <lost_soul> DanDare: openelec will play 1080p movies on the Pi very well.. (the only real issue I've ever had with either the pi or openelec everyone seems to think is power related)
[20:26] <Twist-> DanDare: heh.. I do enjoy the pile of SD cards for separate projects. It's powerfully nostalgic.
[20:26] <DanDare> Twist-, hahaha, very true
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[20:27] <Twist-> Reminds me of every app being a separate bootable floppy
[20:27] <DanDare> yeah ...
[20:27] <DanDare> or games that fits on 1 floppy
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[20:27] <DanDare> (great ones included)
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[20:27] <DanDare> I dont care about it being a slow box. But I do care it being reliable
[20:28] <ShorTie> when did you order your pi DanDare ??
[20:29] <Twist-> DanDare: they can be stable.. but they get crashy in the USB area
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[20:29] <Twist-> (note that the ethernet is on the USB controller)
[20:29] <Twist-> DanDare: I haven't looked into it yet, but the pi does have a hardware watchdog timer
[20:29] <Twist-> so it can reboot itself if the OS hangs
[20:30] <Jusii>
[20:30] <lost_soul> the ethernet is still on the usb controller even on the B+ isn't it?
[20:30] <Twist-> lost_soul: yes.
[20:30] <lost_soul> thought so
[20:30] <DanDare> Twist-, thats very cool
[20:30] <DanDare> for automation or remote projects
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[20:31] <msodrew> Hey friends
[20:31] <Twist-> DanDare: But cheap is the main feature of this thing. You get astoundingly better hardware if you move into the $50 range.
[20:31] <DanDare> Twist-, understand
[20:31] <Twist-> mm.. cheap is the second main feature.
[20:31] <msodrew> Amongst the other distro’s offered besides Raspbian, what others are really good and why? Are they worth giving a shot?
[20:31] <DanDare> true
[20:31] <Twist-> the most important thing is critical mass in user community
[20:32] <DanDare> Twist-, unfortunately im behind a very bad market for imported stuff, so, not so cheap for me :(
[20:32] <lost_soul> that bananna pi looks promising, but is still a bit new and not enough support
[20:32] <Twist-> it's getting to where you can google up "raspberry thing I want to do" and get a detailed tutorial blog post
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[20:33] <Twist-> lost_soul: ooer. sata port.
[20:34] <lost_soul> Twist-: the gigabit ethernet would be nice too
[20:34] <DanDare> its utterly sad but I bough mine for US$ 107. This considering the actual conversion rate. Maybe better using the big-mac index for comparisons though
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[20:34] <lost_soul> DanDare: make friends with someone in the US and have them buy and ship you your toys
[20:34] <lost_soul> :p
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[20:35] <lost_soul> you could have got three for that much, or very close to it
[20:35] <DanDare> lost_soul, ahhh yeah.... sometimes I buy on e-bay, what have random results about taxes etc
[20:36] <DanDare> lost_soul, we can talk better about this. I can send stuff from Brazil to you :p
[20:36] <DanDare> well, we have bananas (the real ones)
[20:36] <lost_soul> Brazil... women, export me some Brizillian women
[20:36] <lost_soul> :p
[20:36] <DanDare> right
[20:36] <DanDare> I will be sending you a list with pictures :P
[20:37] <lost_soul> hahaha
[20:37] <DanDare> dang, must go back to work. laterz
[20:38] <lost_soul> enjoy
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[20:48] <gordonDrogon> Brazil does seem to be somewhere hard to import technology at a reasonable rate ...
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[20:51] <DanDare> gordonDrogon, yeah, unfortunately. We are dumb in many aspects in this area. High importation taxes yet no incentives to develop our own production (again, high taxes on production among other barriers).
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[21:30] <Alex_TNT> hello can someone help me with my raspberry?
[21:31] <Alex_TNT> I don't have experience with it and having some problems
[21:31] <Alex_TNT> i have a gpio screen and hdmi, can't make them both work at the same time
[21:31] <Alex_TNT> if I have one work the other doesn't
[21:32] <Alex_TNT> anyone? please
[21:36] <gordonDrogon> Alex_TNT, is the lcd the adafruit one?
[21:36] <Alex_TNT> http://www.raspberrypi.org/forums/viewtopic.php?f=45&t=64993&sid=3d3530f20d3d54e133b71b44ae7e0712
[21:36] <Alex_TNT> this one
[21:36] <gordonDrogon> ah right. similar.
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[21:37] <gordonDrogon> I've no first-hand experience, but it doesn't surprise me that you can only use one or the other, but not both.
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[21:37] <gordonDrogon> you may be able to start X on each one though or have a look at xrandr to see if that can combine them.
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[21:37] <Alex_TNT> it's worked before, but I did a fresh install, and now I don't know how to make it work again
[21:38] <Alex_TNT> i want to note that I'm a noob :)
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[21:38] <gordonDrogon> I've only done dual-screen on my desktop - and that was a few years back.
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[21:39] <Alex_TNT> right now they both start, but only the gpio is starting the startx
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[21:41] <gordonDrogon> did you remember editing a file /etc/X11/xorg.conf ?
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[21:41] <Alex_TNT> yes
[21:42] <gordonDrogon> Hm. and I guess you've no backup of the old config ...
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[22:06] <staar2> hello
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[22:10] <staar2> I want to build temperature monitor network, at least 2-3 sensors based on radio freq. So on the sender side there should be one receiver and three senders. What would be the cheapest and energy efficent way to build such system ?
[22:11] <MY123> staar2; CAN bus ?
[22:11] <staar2> what you mean ?
[22:13] <MY123> staar2; http://www.raspberrypi.org/forums/viewtopic.php?f=44&t=7027
[22:14] <james_olympus> staar2: http://shop.ciseco.co.uk/llap/ is based around reasonably priced hardware
[22:15] <Twist-> staar2: I'm a fan of the nRF24L01+ modules
[22:15] <MY123> http://www.raspberrypi.org/forums/viewtopic.php?f=44&t=7027 ; staar2
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[22:17] <staar2> nRF24L01+ seems intresting
[22:18] <staar2> what would be the minimal hardware needed for the temp sensor, I do not want to but there RPI, some arduino mini would be better ?
[22:19] <Twist-> staar2: how minimal do you want to go? a complete arduino pro mini clone can be had for under $6
[22:19] <Twist-> which is still pure overkill
[22:20] <staar2> true
[22:20] <Twist-> but has the advantage of having very well documented example code for every phase of your project.
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[22:22] <pksato> staar2: a arduino/picduino or other micro controler to collect data (temperature) and send via 433MHz TX to RPi, RPi show data on fancy monitor.
[22:22] <staar2> pksato, good point
[22:23] <staar2> what voltage 'micro' needs could be that powered from battery ?
[22:23] <pksato> micro?
[22:24] <staar2> mm arduino micro
[22:24] <Twist-> you want the mini, not the micor
[22:24] <Twist-> er.. micro
[22:25] <Twist-> the pro mini is available in both 5v and 3.3v versions
[22:25] <staar2> ok
[22:26] <Twist-> alternatively, you can learn to use the attiny line
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[22:27] <Twist-> http://hackaday.com/2014/02/16/nrf24l01-using-3-attiny85-pins/
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[22:27] <Twist-> of course someone's done it already. heh.
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[22:30] <Twist-> staar2: http://makezine.com/2011/10/10/how-to-shrinkify-your-arduino-projects/
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[22:31] <staar2> ty, reading
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[22:35] <Alex_TNT> how to make the startx show on hdmi?
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[22:37] <DanDare> my pi just arrived. good surprise, seems its original element14, with th box and all
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[22:39] <DanDare> Oh, a inlet with warnings and such
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[22:43] <DanDare> Funny BGA chip, looks like a sandwich
[22:48] <Twist-> DanDare: it is. the broadcom CPU and the RAM are stacked.
[22:48] <SpeedEvil> common in mobile
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[22:49] <DanDare> Twist-, I see, nice
[22:49] <DanDare> heya SpeedEvil
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[22:56] <DanDare> cool, the case top part have holes and its a movable cover to access gpios
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[22:59] <gordonDrogon> DanDare, is it a B+ ?
[22:59] <DanDare> gordonDrogon, no. Just B
[23:00] <gordonDrogon> ok
[23:00] <DanDare> Trying to find if its Rev1 or 2 but still not found
[23:01] <gordonDrogon> does it have 2 holes in it?
[23:01] <DanDare> yeah
[23:01] <gordonDrogon> it's a rev 2.
[23:01] <DanDare> I see, thank you
[23:01] <DanDare> And it has also a socket near RCA, but without the actual connectors, just the holes
[23:02] <gordonDrogon> 3.5mm socket?
[23:02] <DanDare> Sorry, I cant tell
[23:02] <gordonDrogon> it would be the audio out.
[23:02] <DanDare> 8 holes in a line, near 7 holes in the next line
[23:02] <gordonDrogon> OH that one. it's the jtag interface.
[23:02] <gordonDrogon> basically nothing you can do with it.
[23:03] <DanDare> ok
[23:03] <gordonDrogon> there are some test points on it, etc.
[23:03] <DanDare> And the socket near the gpios? 6 holes one
[23:03] <DanDare> err, 8 holes
[23:03] <gordonDrogon> that's P5 (or P6 in later ones)
[23:03] <gordonDrogon> that has 4 extra GPIO signals - mostly used for PCM/I2S
[23:04] <DanDare> I see, thanks
[23:04] <gordonDrogon> you can safely ignore it too - unless you really need 4 more gpio's.
[23:04] <DanDare> its without the connector also, just the holes
[23:04] <DanDare> ok, good to know
[23:04] <gordonDrogon> yes, you're expected to solder one one - on the underside of the board FWIW.
[23:04] <DanDare> right
[23:05] <gordonDrogon> it's uses by the wolfson audio board which uses pogo pins to connect to it.
[23:05] <DanDare> well, i need a keyboard and a monitor now, plus power cable. Guess I need back home to continue with this :(
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[23:06] <gordonDrogon> you can boot it without them - but you'll need it connected to the LAN and to know how to get its IP address.
[23:06] <gordonDrogon> that's assuming you have Raspbian on the SD card - noobs does need the screen+keyboard.
[23:07] <DanDare> there is also 2 holes, near the RGC28 chip, these 2 holes are spaced same as the (as i think is a tantalum cap), and just besides the yellow cap
[23:07] <gordonDrogon> no idea.
[23:07] <DanDare> gordonDrogon, raspbian needs any initial response from user? Its what I have right now
[23:07] <gordonDrogon> I think it might be the reset links though - there was talk of putting an external reset link on the board.
[23:08] <DanDare> Someone told it have some initial config scree, so i definitely needs a screen it seems
[23:08] <gordonDrogon> raspbian will need a login on the console or via ssh - login pi, pass raspberry
[23:08] <DanDare> my impulse is plug into the LAN and try ssh to it
[23:08] <gordonDrogon> you can ssh in, then run sudo raspi-config
[23:08] <DanDare> sweet
[23:08] <gordonDrogon> raspi-config is the initial config thing.
[23:09] * DanDare checks for the mini-usb cable
[23:10] <DanDare> no deal, must go home first
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[23:10] <gordonDrogon> ok
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[23:20] <DanDare> Why raspbian image contains a boot FAT partition? I can imagine its to make people's life easier about the configs there?
[23:20] <gordonDrogon> the gpu boos of a FAT partition.
[23:20] <gordonDrogon> *boots
[23:20] <Encrypt> That ^
[23:20] <gordonDrogon> it only knows how to read FAT.
[23:20] <Encrypt> That's a strange feature of ARM by the way
[23:20] <DanDare> oh, thats lame
[23:20] <Encrypt> We talked about that with a friend of mine
[23:21] <Encrypt> Strange to boot the system thanks to the GPU
[23:21] <gordonDrogon> so the linux kernel is in the FAT partition, the GPU loads that then starts the ARM.
[23:21] <gordonDrogon> the SoC is 90% GPU, 10% ARM ...
[23:21] <gordonDrogon> the ARM really is tacke on the side ...
[23:21] <DanDare> I see
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[23:22] <DanDare> Yeah, the GPU capabilities are somewhat out of comparison with the CPU
[23:23] <DanDare> *speed etc
[23:23] <gordonDrogon> yes, so for the most part we only see a fraction of what it can really do.
[23:23] <gordonDrogon> but the gpu does the camera and the video decoding, etc. as well as playing quake 3 at 30fps.
[23:24] <DanDare> strange, considering its a SoC. They put a monster side by side with a ant
[23:24] <DanDare> cool
[23:24] <Encrypt> I should try to make a remote screen by the way :p
[23:24] <DanDare> so it have hardware codecs inside ?
[23:24] <Encrypt> I imagine it should be fine with the Raspberry Pi?
[23:24] <lost_soul> DanDare: did your Pi show up yet?
[23:25] <Encrypt> My network teacher told me it would work
[23:25] <DanDare> lost_soul, yeah, just get it from the mail :)
[23:25] <lost_soul> nice
[23:25] <gordonDrogon> DanDare, the 'hardware codecs' are really software that's part of the gpu's boot.
[23:25] <DanDare> Encrypt, how a remote screen? Like vncserver ?
[23:25] <DanDare> gordonDrogon, understand
[23:25] <Encrypt> DanDare, I mean to see my computer screen on the TV
[23:26] <DanDare> Encrypt, im confused now. Its not just a matter to connect it using the HDMI or the composite video ?
[23:26] <Encrypt> As if I'd the TV VGA plug would be plugged on the computer videocard
[23:26] <Encrypt> -"I'd"
[23:26] <DanDare> ok
[23:26] <Encrypt> Or HDMI indeed
[23:27] <Encrypt> There would be an "almost" direct ethernet link between the two
[23:27] <DanDare> so boot partition upload the code to GPU and it becomes transparent to the OS, like it was hardware decoding ?
[23:27] <Encrypt> And the Pi should be able to decode quickly the video from the computer
[23:28] <DanDare> Encrypt, sounds like a interesting project
[23:29] <Encrypt> It should be doable quickly :p
[23:30] <DanDare> Hmm, some idea is using GPIOs to make a secondary, rudimentary composite video output
[23:30] <DanDare> for the dual monitor pi :p
[23:30] <Encrypt> Nope :P
[23:31] <Encrypt> It would be really bad
[23:31] <DanDare> Ah
[23:31] <Encrypt> DanDare, The idea :
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[23:31] <gordonDrogon> DanDare, it's not really possible to use gpio for composite video.
[23:31] <Encrypt> Main PC ----------- ethernet ---------> RPi --> HDMI --> TV
[23:31] <DanDare> ok
[23:31] <gordonDrogon> DanDare, however there are framebuffer screens avalable for it - e.g. Adafruit.
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[23:32] <gordonDrogon> they use the SPI port on the GPIO.
[23:32] <DanDare> I see already people getting composite video out from a Atmega 168
[23:32] <gordonDrogon> sure - but it has somewhat more predictable timings.
[23:33] <DanDare> by the way, this is awesome: SW711499334BR
[23:33] <DanDare> ouch
[23:33] <DanDare> * http://www.linusakesson.net/scene/craft/
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[23:34] <DanDare> gordonDrogon, makes sense, all the OS overhead
[23:34] <gordonDrogon> yea, there is an ArduGame project I think, but also lookup Fignition ...
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[23:36] <DanDare> damnit, i bend 1 of the pins while assembling the case
[23:37] <icecube45> DanDare, if you're careful you can bend it back
[23:37] <DanDare> icecube45, yeah.. will try that, when i decide using them
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[23:40] <Halbard> Hi, I have a small PC beeper that I want to connect to RPi GPIO pins to produce sounds. I was searching for solutions on the net but none of them worked, any advices?
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[23:41] <gordonDrogon> Halbard, identify the beeper - does it need a square wave sent to it, or just power to make a single beep?
[23:41] <DanDare> Halbard, you need to produce a square wave from the gpios (in a frequency we can hear), then feed that to buzzer. take care though of maximum current allowed to pull back from the pins
[23:42] <DanDare> *pull from
[23:42] <Encrypt> gordonDrogon, BTW I have a 5-nodes RPi cluster now \o/
[23:42] <Encrypt> I have finished configuring it :)
[23:42] <DanDare> Halbard, take a look in the "blinking led" thing, speed it up, connect buzzer in a secure way
[23:43] <gordonDrogon> Halbard, if it needs a square wave you can use the PWM output to drive it in tone mode, or the softTone package in wiringPi.
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[23:44] <Halbard> It looks like this http://extreme.pcgameshardware.de/attachments/601108d1352906779-bios-startet-nicht-systemlautsprecher.jpg
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[23:45] <gordonDrogon> Halbard, ok - look at this: https://projects.drogon.net/pibrella-from-pimoroni/
[23:45] <gordonDrogon> it has the same beeper on the Pi's PWM pin (bcm_gpio 18)
[23:45] <gordonDrogon> there is details there how to use the pwm output to play tones.
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[23:47] <DanDare> right, time to go home and plug pi
[23:47] <DanDare> thanks guys, laterz
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[23:47] <pksato> small pc speaker, it is not a beeper.
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[23:47] <spike> if I were to buy a brand new Pi but not have a monitor to hook it up to right away, could I still turn it on and SSH into it?
[23:47] <spike> I may not even have a wired keyboard/mouse at that point too
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[23:48] <nid0> yes
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[23:49] <spike> ok
[23:49] <spike> cool
[23:49] <gordonDrogon> spike, you'll need wired ethernet to get going initially.
[23:49] <gordonDrogon> spike, but you can configure wi-fi after that.
[23:50] <spike> gordonDrogon, yeah that shouldn't be a problem. I was just slightly worried about not having any external components right away
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[23:50] <gordonDrogon> spike, just make sure you put Raspbian onto your SD card and not noobs.
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[23:50] <spike> gordonDrogon, I'm planning for it to be either a small local development server or something like that. so no need for its own monitor
[23:51] <spike> gordonDrogon, oh? why is Raspbian better? i thought noobs is pre-installed on the SDs that they actually sell?
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[23:52] <plugwash> noobs is a boot manager/recovery environment. as the name suggests it's aimed at newbies
[23:52] <gordonDrogon> spike, noobs needs screen/keyboard to boot initially.
[23:52] <nid0> noobs does not boot straight to an ssh-able environment
[23:52] <nid0> raspbian does
[23:52] <plugwash> but if you know what you are doing and are happy with handling dd it's going to be more trouble than it's worth
[23:53] <spike> oh
[23:53] <spike> Well
[23:53] <spike> I'd probably be able to handle the shell
[23:53] <spike> i haven't really messed around with something like a pi before though
[23:54] <spike> i use a shell and ssh pretty often with other things
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[23:58] <MY123> spike; You can UART connect to a shell using NOOBS.
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[23:59] <spike> MY123, UART?
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[23:59] <beng1> evening all
[23:59] <MY123> spike: The serial interface in the Pi GPIO. 3,3V only

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