#raspberrypi IRC Log


IRC Log for 2014-07-23

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[0:00] <spike> MY123, why not just use an ethernet cable? or is that what you mean?
[0:01] <beng1> i have a c++ script that is causing a hang when i try to save an image via opencv using cv::imwrite("image.jpg",image);
[0:01] <beng1> what can i use to debug the issue?
[0:01] <MY123> spike: SSH is disabled on NOOBS. You can autoinstall in full Noobs(not lite)
[0:01] <beng1> excuse my naivety
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[0:01] <MY123> beng1; GDB
[0:02] <spike> MY123, oh I see. Well at this point it seems more reasonable to use Raspbian and if I absolutely need to, I can wipe the card and setup Noobs
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[0:04] <beng1> odly there only seems to be an issue when i try to save to a ramdisk
[0:04] <beng1> saving to SD is fine
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[0:18] <beng1> this what what im using in fstab to setup the ramdisk… tmpfs /ramdisk tmpfs defaults,noatime 0 0
[0:18] <beng1> see any issues with that?
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[0:23] <Encrypt> beng1, There is no size specified
[0:23] <Encrypt> I'd put one
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[0:27] <mhoney> evening folks
[0:27] <beng1> ok thanks, will try that
[0:28] <beng1> yep thats fixed it. love you x
[0:28] <ShorTie> beng1 is this raspbian ??
[0:28] <beng1> yes
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[0:29] <ShorTie> raspbian uses a swap file like windows, not a swap partition like old linux
[0:29] <beng1> i have disabled swap
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[0:29] <ShorTie> sorry, confused .. :/~
[0:30] <beng1> dphys-swapfile swapoff
[0:30] <beng1> and update-rc.d dphys-swapfile remove
[0:30] <ShorTie> �k�� ��K��
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[0:31] <beng1> sorry you've confused me now
[0:32] <ShorTie> I'm sorry
[0:33] <beng1> hmm it works for a few saves, and then bombs out hanging
[0:33] <ShorTie> might be filling up and crashing
[0:34] <beng1> i had top running at the same time and latest reading for my app is..
[0:34] <beng1> 2470 pi 20 0 77268 18m 6192 R 95.8 4.8 1:31.66 myprog
[0:34] <ShorTie> maybe try clearing old file before writing new
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[0:34] <beng1> it should just be overwiting but i will trying putting remove() first
[0:35] <beng1> cpu usage is locked at over 95%, is that too high? do i need a sleep in there or something?
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[0:36] <ShorTie> i would think that is kinda high
[0:36] <beng1> how do i put a sleep in c++ ?
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[0:38] <ShorTie> delay maybe
[0:39] <beng1> ok so if i try to load a webpage on the pi at the same time it kills it
[0:39] <beng1> so it does seem that it just cant cope
[0:39] <beng1> but that seems like shitty thread management
[0:39] <Poison[BLX]> what browser?
[0:40] <beng1> sorry i mean load a webpage hosted on the pi
[0:40] <Poison[BLX]> ah, well, what webserver then?
[0:40] <beng1> i have an apache instance with the ramdisk as the www root
[0:40] <beng1> so im just trying to load the image im saving
[0:41] <beng1> for example
[0:42] <beng1> i could try nginx but it feels like the flavor of webserver is not the issue
[0:43] <beng1> i might try the same running headless and see if i get same result, out of interet
[0:43] <beng1> interest
[0:43] <Poison[BLX]> well, I'm not sure if apache makes a copy in ram before serving a file out, but as long as it's using the copy in the file cache it should be fine there. Still, apache tends to be a little memory hungry, your program's eating about 20MB too it looks like.
[0:44] <beng1> yeah im handling two largish image buffers
[0:44] <Poison[BLX]> And between ram starvation without swap + that level of constant cpu usage, the pi's possibly not too happy.
[0:44] <beng1> but the freeram never drops below 190mb
[0:44] <Poison[BLX]> that's not terrible usage on your program for image work, honestly, just a decent percentage of the pi's total.
[0:45] <Poison[BLX]> hrm. That's odd then. I've run entire systems in half that.
[0:45] <beng1> hmm just loging in with another terminal has bombed it out this time
[0:46] <Poison[BLX]> when it dies... how does it act?
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[0:46] <beng1> just total freeze
[0:46] <beng1> on my local hdmi output it says…
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[0:47] <beng1> 89.433728] Disabling IRQ #32
[0:49] <beng1> i wonder if its a power issue
[0:49] <beng1> most things on this thing seem to be power related
[0:49] <Poison[BLX]> yeah
[0:50] <Poison[BLX]> and... what all's plugged into usb?
[0:50] <beng1> wifi dongle and kyeboard / mouse dongle
[0:50] <beng1> ill take the keyboard/mouse one out, dont need it
[0:50] <ShorTie> wifi needs a powered hub normally
[0:50] <Poison[BLX]> first hit I get googling that line is power related crashes from too much pulling on the USB, notably wifi dongles.
[0:50] <Poison[BLX]> :)
[0:51] <beng1> yeah thats what im seeing too
[0:51] <beng1> makes a lot of sence
[0:51] <beng1> i guess i need a B+ :)
[0:51] <Poison[BLX]> or a separate powered hub
[0:51] <beng1> not really an option with this design
[0:51] <Poison[BLX]> (or a spliced power adapter, I really need to get onto marketing those)
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[0:51] <ShorTie> not really, need a better power supply
[0:52] <beng1> to be fair i am running off a shitty mobile charger
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[0:52] <Poison[BLX]> that's a quick way to hit that wall.
[0:52] <beng1> might be that thing is only rated for 750ma
[0:52] <beng1> sorry, i feel like a fool!
[0:53] <Poison[BLX]> it happens :)
[0:53] <beng1> well let me try it first anyway i guess
[0:53] <Poison[BLX]> Mine always just start taking usb keyboard input and forget I let go of random keys when they're power starved, but I don't tend to run wifi on them.
[0:53] <beng1> yep, rated to 0.7A
[0:53] <ShorTie> to get the full force of a B+, you need a good 2amp supply
[0:53] <beng1> twat
[0:54] <beng1> two bloody nights ive been trying to debug this issue
[0:55] <beng1> ok now using a 3A rated supply
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[0:55] <Poison[BLX]> typical pi step one - verify power's sufficient and clean.
[0:55] <beng1> yeah i need to get a usb ammeter
[0:56] <lost_soul> how does one verify clean power? Just curious as I might have an issue with that.
[0:56] <beng1> lick it
[0:56] <lost_soul> LOL
[0:56] <ShorTie> what is nice about the B+, is the power starts to blink if it is running into power problems
[0:56] <Armand> Lick the toad!
[0:56] <beng1> someone should make pi USB cables with massive capacitors at the money end
[0:56] <n3hxs> USB Ammeter: http://www.aliexpress.com/item/USB-Voltage-Tester-Current-Voltage-Meter-LED-Voltmeter-Ammeter-Dual-USB-Charger-Power-Supply-Detector-Doctor/1894884111.html
[0:56] <beng1> im sure these are burst requirrements not solid
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[0:57] <beng1> yeah already just ordered one from ebay
[0:57] <Armand> beng1: I have a bag full of disposable cameras. ;)
[0:57] <beng1> for your taser project ?
[0:57] <ShorTie> you need a good micro-usb cable too, not some cheap phone charging cord
[0:57] <Armand> Errr, no... *cough*
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[0:57] <Poison[BLX]> lost_soul: an analog multimeter can show you twitches if it's sensitive enough + you're watching close enough, but an oscilloscope's the real tool for the job.
[0:58] <beng1> cant beat a good scope
[0:58] <beng1> ive grown up in the logic analyser generation, and its a damn shame
[0:58] <lost_soul> Poison[BLX]: oh, I have a crappy digital multimeter
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[0:59] <Poison[BLX]> what I generally mean by 'clean' is that, when you're using the pi, with a multimeter on the test points, you can *watch* an analog multimeter dip when you access the pi's sd card, increase cpu load, etc.
[0:59] <Poison[BLX]> er, unclean would be that, rather.
[0:59] <lost_soul> Poison[BLX]: actually this is it http://www.harborfreight.com/7-function-digital-multimeter-69096.html
[1:00] <beng1> running stable for the last 4 mins, with lots of apache calls. thanks all
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[1:00] <lost_soul> Poison[BLX]: so basically test it under heavy load and ensure it doesn't fall below 5V?
[1:00] <lost_soul> or doesn't fluctuate much
[1:01] <Poison[BLX]> pretty much :)
[1:02] <beng1> £3.40 from china. free postage. how do they do it
[1:02] <beng1> actually, i dont want to know
[1:02] <lost_soul> okay, I was having some issues with freezing using a 2A PSU, added a powered usb hub that is back powering and it hasn't froze up yet since I put that on earlier today. I will test it shortly to see how the voltages look
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[1:04] <beng1> ok so do you think i need a delay or sleep in my main application loop?
[1:04] <beng1> is it good practice to leave a bit of headroom?
[1:04] <beng1> or do i just trust the OS to do its job at task management?
[1:04] <Poison[BLX]> one thing I've seen that's worrying with how sensitive a pi is... on a cheapo '5v' supply (ebay random charger) ... I could watch the 60hz AC frequency ripple on the output, and under load, I could get some decent dips in power if it coincides with a low point in the ripple.
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[1:05] <Poison[BLX]> and... you should be able to trust the OS to do its job. I'm curious as to what you're doing in your code that's taking that much time though.
[1:05] <beng1> lots of opencv goodness
[1:06] <beng1> mainly facial recognition
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[1:06] <Poison[BLX]> how often are you loading a new buffer?
[1:06] <Poison[BLX]> every cycle on a loop?
[1:06] <beng1> yes
[1:06] <beng1> up to 30 fps depending on resolution
[1:07] <beng1> but im only saving the image one every 10 seconds
[1:07] <Poison[BLX]> is it keeping up with that refresh rate?
[1:07] <beng1> just for reference and debuging
[1:07] <beng1> yeah i mean it can only do 30fps at very low res
[1:07] <beng1> but im impressed by it for sure
[1:08] <Poison[BLX]> well, yeah, then it's sitting at that cpu load simply because it's actually spending that much time working.
[1:08] <Poison[BLX]> I was worried you might be pulling the same frame of data from the camera 2-3 times and processing it each time :P
[1:08] <beng1> yeah im sure it is, just wondering if i need to give it a bit of a break. poor thing
[1:08] <Poison[BLX]> how fast do you *need* it to run?
[1:08] <beng1> im a bad programmer, but not that bad
[1:09] <beng1> ideally about 5fps which it seems happy to do at 640x480
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[1:10] <beng1> im used to working with 8 bit micros, so this thing is a revelation!
[1:10] <beng1> albeit a bit bigger
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[1:14] <Poison[BLX]> heh, yeah. Not real time with linux running, but it does an amazing job with things.
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[1:15] <beng1> so it seems i dont need the remove() before my save
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[1:16] <Poison[BLX]> if you're overwriting the same file in W mode, yeah, it's a straight truncate and start over process, particularly in tmpfs.
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[1:18] <Poison[BLX]> you *can* end up loading an incomplete file that way though, reading from apache or the like, if you catch it mid-write (should be impractical to catch it in that stage in tmpfs though)
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[1:20] <beng1> but could i not end up catching it mid write anyway?
[1:20] <beng1> even if i remove it first?
[1:21] <plugwash> iirc the way to do atomic replacement is to write with a temporary name then use a rename call
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[1:22] <beng1> good idea
[1:22] <beng1> although its not going to hurt if i catch it mid load
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[1:26] <beng1> ok seeing as there appears to be about 2341241 ways to load a script on boot, whats the best way?
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[1:26] <beng1> and by best i mean simplest
[1:26] <MY123> beng1: /etc/init.d/rcS
[1:27] <Tachyon`> rc.local surely?
[1:27] <beng1> here we go :)
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[1:29] <lost_soul> I'll throw @reboot using cron in there.. just for more variety
[1:29] <lost_soul> :p
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[1:30] <beng1> ok glad i asked ;)
[1:30] <beng1> ill spin a dice
[1:33] <lost_soul> hmm, I somehow get the impression we didn't help much
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[1:33] <beng1> gone with rc.local
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[1:34] <lost_soul> nice
[1:34] <jaggz-> is there a list of the less expensive wifi dongles I can get that are compatible with the rpi b?
[1:34] <jaggz-> amazon sort of shows just the one http://www.amazon.com/Edimax-EW-7811Un-Adapter-Raspberry-Supports/dp/B003MTTJOY/ref=pd_bxgy_pc_img_y
[1:35] <lost_soul> jaggz-: that is more of a question of the distro you run than it is the Pi itself, I would think any well supported wifi dongle on linux should be okay though
[1:35] <Tachyon`> didn't know you could do @reboot, that's handy
[1:36] <Tachyon`> as it doesn't need root
[1:36] <beng1> $8.99 thats a bit pricey
[1:36] <lost_soul> Tachyon`: yea
[1:36] <lost_soul> jaggz-: http://www.raspberrypi.org/forums/viewtopic.php?f=46&t=62982
[1:36] <jaggz-> I'm familiar with debian.. never used an rpi. I want to use it for a sprinkler control system in my garage, and probably media center :)
[1:36] <jaggz-> to keep something going while I'm doing work out there
[1:37] <lost_soul> jaggz-: media center you might want to have a look at openelec, it is quite nice
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[1:37] <beng1> i vote for sprinkler control and media center in one
[1:38] <beng1> i reckon that would be a first
[1:38] <jaggz-> heh
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[1:38] <jaggz-> what do you guys use for wifi adaptors?
[1:38] <beng1> tplink normally
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[1:39] <lost_soul> beng1: well, you wouldn't want your sprinkler to be slow going off due to the Pi being busy playing a 1080p movie would you? :P
[1:39] <lost_soul> garage burned down, but that movie was great.. I can hear it now.
[1:39] <beng1> :)
[1:40] <jaggz-> well.. I'll be controlling some external relays with it :)
[1:41] <Poison[BLX]> lost_soul: typically fire mitigation style sprinklers aren't computer driven... I hope he's referring to a more simple garden/flowerbed/yard sprinkler system. Or camera based anti-squirrel bird feeder sprinkler system.
[1:42] <lost_soul> Poison[BLX]: hmm, in the garage.. perhaps he's growing some ganga
[1:42] <Poison[BLX]> tomatoes man. Best tomatoes ever.
[1:42] <lost_soul> I'm sure that is it
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[1:43] <beng1> anyone have experience with using the watchdog on these things?
[1:43] <jaggz-> the garage doesn't have the best wifi receptivity either
[1:44] <lost_soul> jaggz-: running a wire to the garage is out of the question?
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[1:45] <ShorTie> get a donagle with an antenea then
[1:45] <beng1> hard to find these days
[1:45] <Poison[BLX]> not really
[1:45] <jaggz-> lost_soul: not a bad idea.. need to examine the architecture there..
[1:45] <ShorTie> na, ebay to the rescue
[1:46] <beng1> true
[1:46] <jaggz-> for now a dongle will do though.. especially for ssh'ing in for sprinkler config :)
[1:46] <ShorTie> i think i paid 8 bucks for the 1's i got
[1:46] <Poison[BLX]> you can get an old alfa for pretty cheap, and those things cost an arm and a leg on name alone :P
[1:46] <jaggz-> Poison[BLX]: lol... yes.. garden watering sprinklers :)
[1:46] <jaggz-> what's watchdog?
[1:47] <jaggz-> the hardware monitoring?
[1:47] <Poison[BLX]> jaggz-: darn, I was hoping for the anti-squirrel bird feeder project :)
[1:47] <jaggz-> hmm.. we do have squirrels
[1:47] <beng1> yeah i want to start the watchdog timer in my app
[1:47] <jaggz-> they made the redwood trees' bark fuzzy I think
[1:47] <beng1> and post to it each loop
[1:47] <beng1> so if things hang, ill get a reboot
[1:47] <Poison[BLX]> watchdog - waits for a check-in from something in the system periodically. If that check-in doesn't occur, it reboots.
[1:48] <jaggz-> beng1: is that how it works? watchdog requires software to repeatedly signal so if there's a hang it reboots?
[1:48] <beng1> yep
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[1:48] <jaggz-> interesting.. how's it work with the rpi? what interface?
[1:48] <jaggz-> like.. a usb thing?
[1:48] <Poison[BLX]> hardware in the broadcom chip itself, I believe.
[1:48] <beng1> yep it is
[1:48] <jaggz-> ah
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[1:49] <beng1> im just tying to work out how to use it in my software rather than starting a generic daemon
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[1:49] <beng1> im using this as reference https://github.com/binerry/RaspberryPi/blob/master/snippets/c/watchdog/wdt_test.c
[1:50] <beng1> but its not compiling
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[1:52] <Poison[BLX]> beng1: look in the kernel sources, Documentation/watchdog/
[1:52] <beng1> ok will do, thanks
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[1:52] <Poison[BLX]> note, any quasi-recent copy of kernel sources will do for that ;)
[1:53] <beng1> job for tomorrow though i think, time for sleep. Thank you all for your help this evening, really appreciate it
[1:54] <Poison[BLX]> take care! and glad you tracked down that power issue. Those are the most frustrating on a pi ;)
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[1:54] <beng1> yeah ive just got to remember to check that first in future
[1:54] <Poison[BLX]> really, most frustrating in any sytem I've dealt with. Failing/poor power can make even a typical PC look like bad ram, failing motherboard, drive, etc.
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[2:00] <jaggz-> http://www.amazon.com/niceEshop-Wireless-802-11-Adapter-Antenna/dp/B008IZQCGK/ref=sr_1_4?s=pc&ie=UTF8&qid=1406073550&sr=1-4&keywords=wifi+usb
[2:00] <jaggz-> i don't see that on the confirmed compatible list
[2:01] <ShorTie> does it say it has linux drivers ??
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[2:01] <jaggz-> lol: "This worked for less than 15 minutes, then died."
[2:01] <jaggz-> oh.. 3/4 stars .. n/m :)
[2:03] <SirLagz> jaggz-: are you looking for a wifi adapter with an antenna ?
[2:03] <jaggz-> yeah
[2:03] <SirLagz> RT5370s
[2:03] <SirLagz> Best thing I've bought
[2:03] <SirLagz> rock solid for about 6 months of 24/7 use
[2:04] <SirLagz> anyway bbl. meeting time
[2:04] <jaggz-> looking for it.. thanks
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[2:05] <jaggz-> SirLagz: that's a chip though isn't it? not a particular adaptor?
[2:05] <ShorTie> i like this types http://www.ebay.com/itm/300Mbps-Wireless-USB-WiFi-Adapter-With-External-Antenna-IEEE-802-11b-g-n-US-/201133202111?pt=US_USB_Wi_Fi_Adapters_Dongles&hash=item2ed4791abf
[2:06] <jaggz-> then there are a bunch of the tiny usb adaptors with the antennas, claiming the rt5370 chip, but different manufacturers.. and they all look the same :}
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[2:06] <lost_soul> jaggz-: it appears as if the dongle you were looking at uses that chip
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[2:06] <jaggz-> yeah..
[2:06] <lost_soul> jaggz-: http://www.ebay.com/itm/like/190835613615?lpid=82
[2:06] <jrcharney> Anyway, what's up RPI. Anyone have any experience compiling GCC 4.8 from source?
[2:07] <jaggz-> ShorTie: the problem I have is the concern about the rest of the quality .. unless I can find reviews on it
[2:07] <ShorTie> power is like directly related to size .. :/~
[2:07] <ShorTie> Chipset: Realtek 8191
[2:07] <lost_soul> jaggz-: look at this also http://pi-fidelity.blogspot.com/2013/06/beware-of-ebay-wifi-dongles-claiming.html
[2:08] <jaggz-> mmm
[2:09] <lost_soul> jaggz-: this might be of some use too http://raspberry-pi-notes.blogspot.com/2012/05/rt5370-cheap-micro-usb-wireless-dongle.html
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[2:09] <lost_soul> quite a bit of information on that chipset
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[2:11] <jaggz-> grr, no pic
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[2:12] <lost_soul> jaggz-: if you intend on keeping the device wifi.. perhaps it would be best to consider getting an access point to extend the range of your current router and then you don't need a wifi dongle with an external antenna
[2:13] <lost_soul> granted that would cost more, but depending on how the house is setup you might find you want stronger wifi signals in other locations too
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[2:25] <jaggz-l> lost_soul: thats a good idea too. i think the walls and part of the cement roof tiles may be part of the issue.. might not even be a problem where the sprinkler box is either
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[2:26] <jaggz-l> although, i get bad signal in a back roo, here .. which, aside from the garage, is the only place i have privacy
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[2:26] <jaggz-l> i have to lay on the floor to get signal that far :)
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[2:26] <jaggz-l> or was it better if i oifted it a bit.. i dont recall
[2:27] <jaggz-l> lifted
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[2:31] <jaggz-l> I'm also going to need the 24v ac powwer.. although this raspberry sprinkler contro
[2:32] <jaggz-l> tutorial says the guy got his to work on 12v, and then used a cigarette lighter adaptor circuit to adapt to the 5v for the rpi
[2:32] <jaggz-l> not sure how the dc/ac thing makes sense though
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[2:35] <ShorTie> 5v will blow a pi, need 3.3v
[2:35] <ShorTie> for sprinklers i can't see needing much more then some relays really
[2:41] <ShorTie> oops, and a couple redhat valves
[2:41] <jaggz-l> redhat?
[2:41] <ShorTie> yelays for turning electric on/off, redhat valves to turn water on/off
[2:41] <ShorTie> relays*
[2:42] <jaggz-l> oh.. the sprinler valves are outside.. existing standard sprinkler valves
[2:42] <ShorTie> http://www.ascovalve.com/Applications/Products/SolenoidValves.aspx
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[2:43] <ShorTie> then all you need is some relays to control them
[2:44] <jaggz-l> yeah.. possibly a relay board.. simple enough.. 5 units so i could just grab one of the arduino boards with 5 at minimum..
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[2:44] <jaggz-l> (probably 6 or 8 in reality)
[2:44] <ShorTie> make sure it is 3.3v compatable, not 5v
[2:45] <ShorTie> 2,4,8 is the way i think they go normally
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[2:46] <jaggz-l> yeah.. thanks a lot
[2:46] <ShorTie> i just got some nice 1's off ebay
[2:47] <ShorTie> 5 bucks, http://www.ebay.com/itm/US-8-Channel-5V-Relay-Module-for-Arduino-Official-Boards-w-status-indicator-lamp-/221442259302?ssPageName=ADME:L:OC:US:3160
[2:47] <jaggz-l> http://www.amazon.com/Kootek-Raspberry-Supply-Charger-Adapter/dp/B00FIFYQMA/ref=pd_bxgy_pc_img_z
[2:47] <jaggz-l> i thought usb was 5v
[2:48] <jaggz-l> why 3.3?
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[2:48] <ShorTie> yes usb is 5v, but the pi is 3,3v
[2:49] <ShorTie> you feed 5v into your pi gpio pin you will let the magic smoke out, not good!
[2:51] <ShorTie> and the gpio's can not directly control 5v either, like turn relay on
[2:51] <ShorTie> almost any opto coupler relay board should work
[2:52] <ShorTie> there you are just controlling an led with the gpio pin
[2:52] <ShorTie> the led will turn the relay on
[2:53] <Poison[BLX]> the pi takes 5v in, passes it to a) the gpio 5v pin, b) the USB port(s), and c) a 3.3V regulator that powers everything else.
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[2:55] <Poison[BLX]> although as far as those 'arduino' 5v opto coupled solid state relay boards (with the blue relays) go, they actually trigger at 3.3V fine for me. I've not tested how much power they draw on the trigger line though, since mine's only ever on for brief pulses (I use it to drive the power and reset switches on my desktop ;)
[2:57] <plugwash> Poison[BLX], you forgot d) the switcher inside the SoC that powers the core
[2:58] <plugwash> but yeah the GPIO is 3.3V and is NOT 5V tolerant
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[2:58] <Poison[BLX]> plugwash: does the 5v go directly into the SoC too? I was under the impression that the SoC was driven by the 3.3 supply.
[2:58] <Poison[BLX]> <-- far from well studied on that bit
[3:01] <MY123> Poison[BLX] : The SNPS which produces the VCore can use any voltage from 2.5V to 5.25V.
[3:01] <ShorTie> i like that power adapter, al thought they need a 2.5amp 1 for the B+ now
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[3:01] <MY123> No another part of the chip can use 5V.
[3:01] <ShorTie> got some nice big wire on it, lol.
[3:02] <plugwash> Poison[BLX], yeah on the A and B the switcher in the SoC that provides the core voltage is connected to 5V
[3:03] <plugwash> on the compute module it's up to the user how to connect it, as ShorTie says it works over quite a wide voltage range
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[3:03] <plugwash> sorry I mean as MY123 says
[3:03] <plugwash> on the B+ we don't have full schematics yet but I strongly suspect it's the same as on the A and B
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[3:07] <Tachyon`> does not the compute module require three power supplies? 2.2, 2.8, 3.3 if I rememberrightly?
[3:08] <MY123> Tachyon' : You need only the 1V8 and 3V3.
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[3:08] <Tachyon`> won't that break analogue?
[3:09] <MY123> Tachyon' : To analog video, you would also use 2V5 .
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[3:09] <plugwash> if you want composite video to work correctly you need a 2.5V supply, if you don't you can hook that line to the 3.3V rail
[3:10] <Tachyon`> oh, it's just video
[3:10] <Tachyon`> ahh, thanks -.o
[3:10] <Tachyon`> thought it was the analogue in, must have misread
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[4:26] <SirLagz> jaggz-l: yes, the RT5370 is a chipset, however Ebay that and you will find *plenty* that use that chipset that have an antenna :D
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[4:56] <koell> i just installed Battlefield 4 on my pi, works great!
[4:58] <MY123> koell: Unreal Engine works on a Pi using WebGL. Does not like games but one said that.
[5:00] <koell> It is absolutely amazig, on my pi i can play BF4 on a resolution of 2880x1800 and a fps of 60!!!
[5:00] <koell> :D :D
[5:01] <MY123> koell: A July fool joke. The one which make one should just be kicked.
[5:02] <[Saint]> Its technically possible in a hilariously misleading fashion.
[5:02] <[Saint]> see: Limelight
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[5:02] <[Saint]> The pi is most certainly NOT running BF4, just...passing it through.
[5:03] <koell> MY123: you just need to overclock, then everything works fine! :D
[5:03] <[Saint]> Yeah, that's enough of that now...
[5:03] <koell> :D
[5:03] <[Saint]> Lets keep this channel grounded in reality.
[5:03] <koell> sorry
[5:03] <koell> i call the brad wizard gordonDrogon! :3
[5:04] <[Saint]> You probably /could/ run a server on a pi...but, it would suck quite highly.
[5:04] <[Saint]> s/a server/ a BF* server/
[5:05] <koell> yeah it just works! it is AMAZING! 20% thinner and 30% lighter than previous generation rasp pi!
[5:06] <[Saint]> Its no thinner...at least nowhere near 20%.
[5:06] <[Saint]> Not even close.
[5:06] <MY123> Operator , can you kick koell please? or make him on-topic.
[5:06] <[Saint]> The Eth socket puts a hard limit on that height.
[5:06] <koell> MY123: nooo, sorr
[5:06] <koell> i will stop now
[5:06] <koell> im drunk xD
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[5:08] <koell> does someone of you use the pi as working station? or do you just play with, do fun projects or run a headless server on the pi?
[5:09] <MY123> koell: My Pi is occupied by reverse-enginnering.
[5:09] <[Saint]> The raspberrypi is by no means a replacement workstation and anyone who attempts to use one as such will quickly find out that it is a terrible idea.
[5:09] <[Saint]> Very quickly.
[5:10] <koell> depends on what you want to use it for
[5:10] <koell> a working station != a working station
[5:10] <MY123> [Saint] ; Except when using Gnome 3 on X11 EGL for Raspberry Pi.
[5:10] <[Saint]> MY123: even then...one assumes that the user is going to encounter Flash at some stage.
[5:10] <[Saint]> What then?
[5:10] <[Saint]> You're screwed.
[5:11] <[Saint]> Unless you're happy with using Lynx and ghoing back to 1998
[5:11] <koell> browsing the web? writing emails? trolling on freenode? ^^
[5:11] <[Saint]> Browsing the web is pretty much out. See above.
[5:12] <koell> i dont get why people need new hardware every 2 years :P
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[5:13] <MY123> [Saint] ; Never uses Flash. http://raspberrypi.collabora.com/web.html is a pretty fast web browser.
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[5:13] <[Saint]> MY123: that's nice, but, for most of the population "never use Flash" isn't an option.
[5:13] <[Saint]> And, you know it.
[5:13] <[Saint]> Just as I do.,
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[5:14] <[Saint]> Until the world wakes up to HTML5, this is what we're stuck with.
[5:16] <MY123> [Saint] : As I work on Android for Raspberry Pi(TM) , it is possible to have Flash, also thinking about http://ceonpi.codeplex.com as Windows CE is still supported by Adobe.
[5:16] <koell> did someone already build a sex toy with the pi?
[5:16] <MY123> Operator , can you kick koell please? or make him on-topic
[5:17] <koell> =(
[5:17] <koell> what is android for pi used for?
[5:17] <koell> can you make phone calls then?
[5:18] <[Saint]> Do you see a cellular modem on the pi?
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[5:18] <gn0> hi
[5:18] <MY123> [Saint]: Koell may use a Raspberry Pi Chinese clone.
[5:18] <DanDare> compiling openvpn on the pi
[5:19] <gn0> is there a chinese clone? I didn't knew
[5:19] <DanDare> I think I can go take a shower meanwhile :D
[5:19] <[Saint]> DanDare: and probably a week long vacation too! ;)
[5:19] <MY123> DanDare: Is a apt-get install openvpn better to you ?
[5:19] <DanDare> lol
[5:19] <koell> [Saint]: you've to connect the pi first with the power cable to get it work, just saying
[5:19] <DanDare> MY123, no. I want socks5 improvements
[5:20] <MY123> DanDare: Use Raspbian Jessie.
[5:20] <DanDare> also I want to stress this box and see how it goes :)
[5:20] <[Saint]> I...what?
[5:20] <[Saint]> Welcome to my mute list.
[5:20] <[Saint]> Its a very elite few that make it there.
[5:20] <[Saint]> Well done.
[5:20] <DanDare> MY123, thanks for suggestion, will take a look
[5:23] <MY123> gn0: There is Pi Chinese clones. But most of them have a different name Ex: Banana Pi.
[5:23] <DanDare> Ah, debian testing
[5:23] <DanDare> Thats something for a VM rather, not for pi
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[5:24] <MY123> DanDare: I now use Raspbian Jessie. It works well on a headless Pi.
[5:24] <DanDare> MY123, for me.. I dont have any experience with testing, so better taste it in something faster than the pi I guess
[5:25] <[Saint]> Hmmmm. PM abuse. How...quaint. Sure can't figure out who its from, either...nope nope nope. Gee, I wonder...
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[5:26] <[Saint]> ass-hat.
[5:26] <DanDare> [Saint], you can try getting rid of him at #freenode
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[5:27] <DanDare> but probably not worthy
[5:29] <koell> is it possible to put 2 raspberry pi's together and use their cpu's together?
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[5:30] <DanDare> It took 9 minutes to compile openvpn. Not so hard this one
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[5:31] <MY123> koell: A Raspberry Pi is a Quad-Core machine. One DSP, Two VPUs, and a ARM.
[5:32] <koell> Welcome to my mute list.
[5:32] <[Saint]> ...and a partridge in a pear tree.
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[5:33] <DanDare> On raspbian, if I do "halt" how to know system is halted? Im not using any monitor. Its possible to state it from the led lights ?
[5:33] <MY123> koell: Thanks in reverse. You can't group two Pis together to use it as a Dual-Core machine in the OS level.
[5:34] <[Saint]> Yeah, that's a rather difficult thing to answer DanDare its not really possible to determine if the pi has actually successfully halted.
[5:34] <gn0> MY123 thanks for the info. I'll see if I can get it cheaper in my country since it's less known. People are taking advantage of the well-known RaspberryPi and having huge profit margins on it ��
[5:35] <[Saint]> There's no difference between "halted" and "not currently displaying any activity" ie. idle.
[5:35] <[Saint]> From observation alone.
[5:35] <DanDare> [Saint], I see
[5:35] <MY123> gn0: It have few software and is based on the A20. So has Android support.
[5:35] <DanDare> [Saint], at least, after halt, I got just the red light ON. It was connected to Ethernet with all the lights etc
[5:36] <DanDare> What is ACT light? Disk access?
[5:36] * [Saint] nods
[5:36] <[Saint]> I don;t have Eth0 up personally, so, it makes it somewhat more difficult.
[5:37] <[Saint]> But, Eth0 going down doesn't necessarily mean it halted.
[5:37] <MY123> DanDare: The disk access link should blink eight times on halt. If not, update your firmware.
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[5:37] <[Saint]> Its...tricky.
[5:37] <DanDare> [Saint], so true
[5:37] <DanDare> MY123, cool advice, thanks
[5:37] <gn0> MY123: I have to look for it here, I think an A20 would be great for my projects.
[5:37] <[Saint]> DanDare: one thing you can do is dump a script that prints an output in /etc/rc0.d/
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[5:38] <[Saint]> Then you'll know it got to the "clean up" stage of halt at least.
[5:38] <DanDare> [Saint], nice, thanks
[5:38] <[Saint]> something like "echo "I got this far, its probably safe now"
[5:40] <[Saint]> DanDare: "man update-rc.d" will likely point you in the right direction here.
[5:41] <DanDare> [Saint], I know a bit about update-rc.d
[5:41] <gn0> Ok, no A20 boards here, but a tablet based on an A20 core is around the same prices of just a Raspberry Pi model B with not SD card or anything. So... I think I'll buy one of those and a hammer + screwdriver combo (?)
[5:41] <DanDare> but I just use simpler chkconfig to set stuff ON or OFF
[5:41] * [Saint] nods
[5:41] <DanDare> I know, thats another story...
[5:42] <[Saint]> gn0: If you get an Allwinner board, and a hammer, PLEASE tell me its to destroy the newly acquired Allwinner board?
[5:42] <[Saint]> You'd be doign the world a favor.
[5:42] <[Saint]> ;)
[5:43] <gn0> Just a tought, I don't know if it might work but maybe you can check if it's working based on the power consumption but that depends on your setup and the capacity to take measures.
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[5:44] <gn0> [Saint] the idea is to disassemble it with violence. I'm a civilized man haha. Why do you say that? is it that bad?
[5:44] <[Saint]> Allwinner are no friends of mine. Heh.
[5:44] <[Saint]> An incredibly relaxed attitude towards repeated GPL violation.
[5:45] <steve_rox> fun ppl
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[5:46] <gn0> mmm... GPL, BSD and Apache are some of the few licences that I care if someone violates it
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[5:48] <[Saint]> If you get bored enough, scour the interwebz for hits on "Allwinner+GPL violation" and cringe.
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[5:49] <[Saint]> I find it impossible to believe they're doing it by accident.
[5:49] <gn0> I should be doing a Calculus II work but I think that being here means that I'm not doing it so I'll check it
[5:49] <[Saint]> Uuuuugh. Calc.
[5:50] <[Saint]> You have my sympathies.
[5:50] <gn0> I like it, a lot.
[5:50] <gn0> But I'm sleepy now.
[5:50] <[Saint]> Witch! Wiiiiiiiiiiiiiitch!
[5:50] <[Saint]> No one likes calc, lol.
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[5:52] <gn0> Calculus is fun. Trust me, I'm a future engineer. :P
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[6:15] <DanDare> alright, being audacious and installing GIMP now
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[6:21] <RahulAN> hii all
[6:24] <RahulAN> gordonDrogon, Hii are you there?
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[6:31] <[Saint]> RahulAN: timezones due.
[6:31] <[Saint]> *dude
[6:31] <[Saint]> He's UK based.
[6:31] <RahulAN> ohkk..:)
[6:31] <RahulAN> its night there?
[6:32] <PhotoJim> early morning.
[6:32] <PhotoJim> 05:32
[6:32] <[Saint]> ~5am
[6:32] <RahulAN> here it is 10:02 am
[6:32] <RahulAN> :)
[6:32] <PhotoJim> 10:32 pm here.
[6:32] <RahulAN> PhotoJim, where?
[6:33] <PhotoJim> Saskatchewan, Canada.
[6:33] <[Saint]> 16:33 *tomorrow* here... ;)
[6:33] * [Saint] waves from the future.
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[6:33] <PhotoJim> it's even fun being elsewhere in Canada . in summer, Newfoundland is 3.5 hours ahead of here.
[6:33] <[Saint]> +13 GMT ftw.
[6:33] <RahulAN> Intresting :)
[6:33] <PhotoJim> UTC-6 here, year-round. but the rest of Canada wobbles back and forth ST/DT
[6:34] <[Saint]> We wobble between +12/12GMT w/ DST
[6:34] <[Saint]> *+12/13
[6:34] <PhotoJim> where are you that you're UTC+13? Micronesia?
[6:34] <[Saint]> New Zealand
[6:35] <PhotoJim> oh, I didn't realize NZ was +13. interesting.
[6:35] <[Saint]> Usually +12, but, DST.
[6:35] <PhotoJim> but not DST now of course.
[6:36] <PhotoJim> so you're 18 or 19 hours ahead of us.
[6:36] <PhotoJim> I know east coast Australia is 16 ahead of us. I think it's 17 when they're on DST.
[6:36] <[Saint]> No, indeed not. /me spots his other typo above.
[6:36] <PhotoJim> I don't think Queensland does DST though.
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[6:36] <[Saint]> No one should. Its mental.
[6:36] <[Saint]> ;)
[6:36] <[Saint]> Its just plain confusing.
[6:36] <PhotoJim> Nine Canadian provinces do. I live in the tenth.
[6:37] <PhotoJim> but we have our own problems. People in Central Daylight Time are often lazy and call it Central Standard Time. But we are actually Central Standard Time all year long, an hour behind them when they're on daylight time.
[6:37] <[Saint]> We're still +1h ahead after WWII...for...some reason.
[6:37] <PhotoJim> so if they call a teleconference for, say, 9 am CST, we show up at 9, and they're not there.
[6:37] <[Saint]> It was never readjusted after WWII
[6:37] <PhotoJim> it's already 10 am for them and we're late.
[6:38] <RahulAN> I need help with fingerprint module
[6:38] <millican> Arizona also doesn't observe daylight savings.
[6:38] <PhotoJim> parts of Arizona, yep. most of it does. but not all of it.
[6:38] <PhotoJim> Hawaii doesn't.
[6:38] <PhotoJim> Parts of Indiana didn't used to, but that's no longer true.
[6:38] <millican> Some of the reservations in Arizona do.
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[6:39] * [Saint] particularly likes the countries that don't even follow a Julian calendar
[6:39] <RahulAN> Any one have idea about finger print module. with Pi?
[6:39] <PhotoJim> alright, it's bedtime here. talk to you guys later.
[6:39] <millican> later.
[6:40] <[Saint]> RahulAN: I have an idea about fingerprint modules in general - they're awful
[6:40] <[Saint]> biometric security is a joke.
[6:40] <[Saint]> An absolute joke.
[6:40] <RahulAN> [Saint], I need to interface , how do i?
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[6:41] <DanDare> [Saint], at this point, maybe good for two-step verification at least ?
[6:41] <[Saint]> You and I both know that's impossible to answer with the information you've given (nil).
[6:42] <millican> Is there a fingerprint module made specifically for the pi?
[6:42] <swiss> like every USB one ever?
[6:42] <RahulAN> yes http://elinux.org/RPi_VerifiedPeripherals#Fingerprint_Scanners millican
[6:42] <swiss> i would use a fingerprint module to cue someone's playlist
[6:42] <[Saint]> DanDare: its not wise to use something you leave lying around, on everything you touch, unconsciously, as a passphrase or security key
[6:43] <swiss> depending on who scanned their thumb, a different set of music would play
[6:43] <DanDare> [Saint], totally agreed
[6:43] <swiss> or maybe different temperatures for the house
[6:43] <DanDare> [Saint], also, theres a time in the future robbers will start cutting people's finger, brrrrr
[6:44] <[Saint]> swiss: NFC would be better suited there, surely?
[6:44] <swiss> [Saint]: not if you don't like whacking your phone against things
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[6:44] <hybr1d8> which is a rather 'low-security' usage so not really a problem that fingerprints are easy to copy
[6:44] <RahulAN> Guys, here i have 4 wires rx tx ground and vcc
[6:44] <swiss> think about it... you don't have to take your thumbprint out of your wallet
[6:44] <RahulAN> Do i need max232
[6:44] <[Saint]> I don't have to take my phone out of my wallet either.
[6:44] <swiss> No, but it has to come out of your pocket
[6:44] <[Saint]> Nor does it need to actually *touch* the NFC reader.
[6:45] <swiss> i was thinking RFID vs thumbprint at that point
[6:45] <swiss> my phone stays in my pocket 90% of the time
[6:45] <swiss> that's why I bought a pebble
[6:45] <swiss> so it could go from 60% to 90%
[6:45] <[Saint]> Pebble...heh, yeah...I've got a couple of them.
[6:45] <[Saint]> Sitting in a draw, unused, where they belong.
[6:45] <hybr1d8> Considering the usage (and the low-accuracy of most fingerprint readers) - is there a reason to use a reader - rather than just a button for each user ie: have four buttons for four users - each with their picture on them
[6:46] <hybr1d8> then you can be nice and set it up for someone else as you leave ;)
[6:46] <swiss> hybr1d8: being able to add more users easily, and space constraints
[6:46] <swiss> also, gadget factor
[6:46] <hybr1d8> now that one I can get behind ;)
[6:46] <swiss> you thumbprint in, "Welcome home Jim!" and music starts playing
[6:46] <millican> sounds fun
[6:47] <[Saint]> I do that with BT.
[6:47] <swiss> I don't like using my phone
[6:47] <[Saint]> Much easier.
[6:47] <millican> Did you just list the pins for a typical USB?
[6:47] <hybr1d8> fingerprint readers are good as identification - not authentication (ie as the equiv of a username) - and your setup doesn't really need auth anyway ;)
[6:47] <swiss> why do i want to have my hands occupied
[6:47] <swiss> with a phone
[6:47] <swiss> ever?
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[6:48] <[Saint]> That's why I use BT for presence automation...it "just works".
[6:48] <swiss> ah, that would do it
[6:49] <swiss> I am imagining a pee-wee's big adventure-like kitchen that starts making each person's breakfast when they thumb in
[6:49] <swiss> i'm debating getting an rfid chip implanted in my hand for all this instead though
[6:50] * [Saint] has an RFID kitty-door.
[6:50] <[Saint]> It doesn't work, though.
[6:50] <swiss> lol
[6:51] <[Saint]> Bastard neighbor cats just figured out they need to wait for one of my mob to go through first.
[6:51] <[Saint]> Then they hold the door open.
[6:51] <[Saint]> Its an evolutionary arms race.
[6:51] <swiss> need to make it spray water down when the door is open longer than it takes your cat to get in
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[6:51] <[Saint]> heh.
[6:52] <swiss> it'd work
[6:53] <swiss> my rpi is going in the car soon... once this chinese company sells me the CORRECT inverter board for my rpi
[6:53] <swiss> er
[6:53] <swiss> not inevrter, but lvds to HDMI
[6:54] <swiss> http://i.imgur.com/xqgkiGw.jpg i had to explain to them that it doesn't work when the cables aren't the right size
[6:54] <swiss> "item no work?" is the response i got
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[7:44] <tybg> my raspi shows up in a few days, what language/OS is most well-supported in the community?
[7:45] <tybg> i'm mostly looking to do GPIO interface stuff at first, if that narrows it down
[7:45] <SirLagz> Raspbian is probably the most well supported. I believe it comes with everything you need to use the GPIO as well
[7:45] <DanDare> tybg, im new as well, but it looks like Python is the "main" language
[7:46] <[Saint]> Unfortunately, yes.
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[7:46] <tybg> cool, that's just what i'm looking for
[7:46] <[Saint]> But I think that's more from an educational standpoint rather than Python actually being any good.
[7:46] <DanDare> [Saint], you don't like damn indentation rules as well ?
[7:47] <[Saint]> I dislike many things about Python.
[7:47] <[Saint]> The primary thing I dislike about Python, is, it isn;t C. :)
[7:47] <tybg> ah, yeah, that makes sense. python seems to be the go-to for learning programming nowadays
[7:47] <DanDare> I C
[7:48] <CodePulsar> You can program in whatever language you want on a RPi
[7:48] <SirLagz> bext thing about the Pi. It runs linux so you can do whatever you want :D
[7:48] <[Saint]> Right, but, that's not what OP asked.
[7:48] <DanDare> \o/
[7:48] <tybg> solid. that's what i figured, i'm just curious what most people use
[7:49] <[Saint]> I would say "most people" use Python, because "other people" already removed a lot of the leg work for them.
[7:49] <DanDare> Perhaps
[7:49] <[Saint]> Point it at whatever the current flavour of the month lib is...and, bingo-bango, you're a developer.
[7:49] <DanDare> but thats some positive point, depending how you look
[7:50] <DanDare> thats sad
[7:50] <DanDare> I mean, it lacks consistence that way
[7:50] <DanDare> and incredibly, not in the code, but people's head :D
[7:50] <tybg> are there any cool libraries you folks recommend?
[7:51] <[Saint]> Depends entirely what you're wanting to do.
[7:51] <hybr1d8> http://makezine.com/projects/tutorial-raspberry-pi-gpio-pins-and-python/
[7:51] <[Saint]> If you're looking at GPIO, WiringPi, hands down.
[7:51] <tybg> groovy, thanks
[7:52] <DanDare> actually im interested in learning python, but i guess perl is really the next on the list
[7:52] <[Saint]> {$dont_do_it}
[7:52] <tybg> i work with java a lot, but it seems pretty heavy for a raspi doing hardware-level IO
[7:52] <[Saint]> Perl will kill us all...
[7:52] <[Saint]> ;)
[7:53] <DanDare> hahahah
[7:54] <DanDare> with all this mobility advances in technology, makes me want learn Qt
[7:54] <[Saint]> I've always wanted to get further into ARM ASM...but, damn man.
[7:54] <hybr1d8> May I recommend 'Ante' - a great language that uses numbers and card suits ;)
[7:54] <DanDare> ARM ASM? stop joking
[7:55] <DanDare> well, maybe to blink leds ?
[7:55] <hybr1d8> https://github.com/michaeldv/ante
[7:55] <tybg> ...very efficiently
[7:56] <[Saint]> More things need to be written in ASM.
[7:56] <[Saint]> The fact that they're not smacks of laziness.
[7:56] <DanDare> definitely
[7:56] <[Saint]> "We have faster hardware now..we can just throw cycles away willy nilly"
[7:56] <[Saint]> A few decades ago, that'd get you slapped.
[7:57] <tybg> AFAIK rollercoaster tycoon was the last great huzzah for ASM
[7:57] <DanDare> damn. do it. and they will buy the next generation, faster device
[7:57] <hybr1d8> "We have much smarter/more efficient compilers now - we can trust them to do better than slow/inefficient humans"
[7:57] <[Saint]> Hahahahahahaha....yeah...if only.
[7:57] <DanDare> true [Saint]...
[7:57] <DanDare> but its really sad to see the bogomips genocide these days
[7:58] <[Saint]> Compilers *are* getting better, but its still possible to have them do absolutely braindead "optomizations" in surprising places.
[7:59] <DanDare> hmm thats how i like pi. its not about speed but efficiency
[7:59] <[Saint]> They should cut the RAm down to 8MB to force us to code more efficiently. :P
[8:00] <DanDare> hahaha
[8:00] <CodePulsar> Arduino Uno has 1KB
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[8:00] <DanDare> 132KB perhaps
[8:01] <DanDare> my first web server was slower than pi
[8:01] <CodePulsar> err
[8:01] <DanDare> and, it ends that pi doesn't look so slow
[8:01] <CodePulsar> The ATmega328 has 32 KB (with 0.5 KB used for the bootloader). It also has 2 KB of SRAM and 1 KB of EEPROM (which can be read and written with the EEPROM library).
[8:03] <DanDare> you know what is real coding stuff when you play stuff like "out of this world" that fits in 1 floppy
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[8:06] <tybg> i'd never heard of that game before, but it looks incredible
[8:07] <tybg> is it all just really clever poly rendering?
[8:07] <RahulAN> I make serial connection with fingerprint module as in this link http://www.raspberrypi.org/forums/viewtopic.php?f=44&t=69059
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[8:07] <RahulAN> but how to read data, i am not getting anything
[8:08] <[Saint]> Hahahaha
[8:08] <[Saint]> "Nintendo requested that all scenes that feature blood, or any blood-like thing, such as the venus flytrap saliva, as well as this brief nudity scene, be redrawn, and so "crack of the naked aliens' bottoms was reduced by 3 pixels."[14]"
[8:09] <tybg> hahaha, that's absurd
[8:10] <RahulAN> Any one help
[8:10] <tybg> i wonder if the newer versions getting re-released on current Nintendo platforms will have the same 3px "censorship"
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[8:15] <DanDare> tybg, yeah, its a impressive game. With a film trailer and all
[8:17] <DanDare> "Another world" is the most popular title name for that game (same game)
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[8:21] <DanDare> the original game intro https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dNeayv-OTK0
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[8:25] <tybg> god that's so cool
[8:25] <tybg> you have to work to fit a .gif of that onto a floppy
[8:25] <tybg> never mind the rest of the game
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[8:28] <[Saint]> well... .gif *is* wildly inefficient.
[8:28] <SirLagz> ewwwww gifs
[8:29] <[Saint]> An HTML5 version of the same clip a gif is taken from, of the same duration, is a few orders of magnitude smaller...even if it includes an audio track!
[8:30] <[Saint]> .gif is dead.
[8:30] <[Saint]> It just doesn't know it yet.
[8:30] <tybg> i encounter tons more .gif files than i do html5 video
[8:30] <[Saint]> that's because of the masses using crappy browsers that don't support it.
[8:30] <tybg> it lacks the same punch to say "this game might fit in a webm of the same size"
[8:30] <tybg> hahaha
[8:31] <[Saint]> Well...that's true. ;)
[8:31] <RahulAN> [Saint], How do i get data from serial in Rpi?
[8:32] <[Saint]> I usually use a woodchipper.
[8:32] <[Saint]> Then I arrange the framents into littles 1 and 0 shaped piles.
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[8:34] <[Saint]> On a (slightly) more serious note:
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[8:34] <[Saint]> I have absolutely no idea what you're talking about and have no idea why that was directed at me.
[8:34] <[Saint]> If I missed something I should have been paying attention to, I apologize.
[8:35] <RahulAN> I need some help. regarding fingerprint reader. i have connected it
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[8:38] <tybg> it's hard to debug a problem given such a small amount of information. can you give some background details?
[8:41] <[Saint]> http://www.catb.org/esr/faqs/smart-questions.html
[8:41] <SirLagz> [Saint]: heh. Some people complain about that smart questions FAQ
[8:42] <[Saint]> Meh.
[8:42] <[Saint]> Let 'em.
[8:42] <[Saint]> :)
[8:42] <tybg> "TL;DR. how do i fix it though?"
[8:42] <SirLagz> [Saint]: I totally agree.
[8:45] <RahulAN> tybg, i have connected a finger print module with max232 and then i connected its 3 wires to pin 6 ,8, 10
[8:45] <RahulAN> and also i installed pyserial library
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[8:46] <gordonDrogon> morning.
[8:47] <RahulAN> Good morning
[8:47] <tybg> howdy
[8:48] <gordonDrogon> RahulAN, do you have a manual for your finger print reader?
[8:48] <tybg> sorry Rahul, i can't help you with your setup. i don't have any experience with the pi.
[8:48] <RahulAN> gordonDrogon, yes, i downloaded it
[8:49] <gordonDrogon> ok... can you post the link to it here so we can see it?
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[8:49] <RahulAN> gordonDrogon, http://dump.no/files/1ec8f166b885/SM-630.pdf
[8:49] <RahulAN> this i got.
[8:50] <gordonDrogon> ok.
[8:51] <gordonDrogon> it's an interesting device. you're gonig to have to write some code to operate it.
[8:51] <gordonDrogon> you may be able to poke commands to it using e.g. minicom though.
[8:51] <gordonDrogon> (just for testing)
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[8:53] <gordonDrogon> looks like you don't need the max232 chip either - just a resistor.
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[8:55] <[Saint]> Well.
[8:55] <[Saint]> That went well.
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[8:56] <[Saint]> Finally gets answer; fell off the net and almost certainly didn't get answer.
[8:57] <[Saint]> There's a beautiful irony in that.
[8:58] <gordonDrogon> [Saint], ?
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[9:08] <RahulAN> gordonDrogon, sorry network problem
[9:08] <RahulAN> did you get that pdf file? i linked to you?
[9:09] <RahulAN> gordonDrogon, are you there?
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[9:10] <ShorTie> https://github.com/mathanol/FingerPrint-Sensor-with-GUI interesting
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[9:13] <RahulAN> ShorTie, yes it is... i am testing it
[9:14] <ShorTie> Cool
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[10:05] <kj4> what kind of MB/s do you guys get typically, when TXing files on your LAN, anyone ?
[10:08] <ShorTie> depends on the type of file i believe and where it is coming from i think
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[10:08] <ShorTie> don't forget the lan goes thru the usb
[10:08] <kj4> ShorTie: yeah, saw that somewhere, thanks
[10:08] <kj4> i'm getting 2.5MB/s with SFTP
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[10:13] <DanDare> kj4, other stuff can interfere also. Like usually, a bunch of small files will be slower than a huge big file
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[10:19] <kj4> DanDare: gotcha, yeah, i am moving one big one- I was getting 40MB/s on gigE. just trying to get a feel for the typical
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[10:25] <gordonDrogon> kj4, yep - encryptio is slow- the LAN can do 95% (or more) or full line rate.
[10:25] <gordonDrogon> so ordinary FTP you should see 9.5 -> 10MBytes/sec over it.
[10:27] <gordonDrogon> I see 2->3 MB/sec via scp/rsync, so if LAN to LAN there's not much point encrypting it. (and it's always irritated me that you can't turn encryption off in ssh too)
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[10:59] <Mo> Hi. I'm long time looking for a media server, able to play VOD like Maxdome and Watchever (though I don't like MS Silverlight either). AFAIK Silverlight is not possible on RPi Arm yet. So Chromecast with android Tablet would be an alternative. Now I found BubbleUPnP for Android compatible with RPi.
[10:59] <Mo> But is that combination then able to play Maxdome? At the end RPi would need the libs to play, which it doesn't have,no?
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[11:04] <PhyberApex> I don't know what you are trying to achive with BubbleUPnP, that you can't with the normal raspbmc
[11:07] <lost_soul> Their are some video streamng addons for XBMC which can be used on XBMC based systems, though I don't think they do video on demand... more like youtube, hulu.. etc
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[11:12] * Tachyon` blinks
[11:12] <Tachyon`> youtube isn't VoD?
[11:13] <PhyberApex> yeah it is
[11:13] <PhyberApex> but for example the twitch plugin can only handle live stream and no VoDs of twitch afaik
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[11:14] <PhyberApex> and for maxdome....I don't know what kind of security they use...but if it is that HDMI stuff I think you are out of luck
[11:14] <Mo> PhyberApex: I like to use BubbleUPnP to use the tablet as main control and only send streams to the RPi. I know there are also remote control apps for Android to control a RPi.
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[11:15] <PhyberApex> Mo, if that's all you want to do I feel like your best bet would be Yatse as Android remote control...it is able to do exactly that
[11:17] <lost_soul> or a good android ssh client, control everything
[11:17] <lost_soul> er, well.. most things
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[11:18] <Mo> I see. But at the end is it possible to use Maxdome on the Pi?
[11:18] <Mo> The maxdome Android App is Chromecast enabled, so I thought BubbleUPnP could send Maxdome to the Pi as well.
[11:19] <ppq> Mo, http://linuxundich.de/raspberry-pi/maxdome-watchever-oder-amazon-instant-video-und-der-raspberry-pi/
[11:19] <ppq> (i suppose you are german)
[11:20] <Mo> Genau den Link hab ich gelesen.
[11:21] <Mo> There I came to that idea: http://linuxundich.de/android/chromecasts-startet-in-deutschland-was-kann-man-mit-dem-ding-eigentlich-machen/ "BubbleUPnP"
[11:22] <ppq> well, it answers your question - Maxdome on the pi is not possible
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[11:22] <Mo> Because the Chromecast is not that flexible but currently the only thing that can play Maxdome. It won't be the best and last solution.
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[11:23] <Mo> Just for understanding, that UPnP/DLNA is just like the Chromecast but as open standard? So I can send stream commands via UPnP/DLNA to the RPi just like a Chromecast?
[11:24] <Mo> That also means the stream is played by the target, not the sender itself?
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[11:26] <Mo> I know that silverlight stuff is used for DRM reasons, but I can't understand that no open solution is able to save these DRM issues as well.
[11:27] <ppq> DRM is the opposite of open
[11:28] <ppq> as soon as open source software is involved, DRM can be broken
[11:28] <PhyberApex> pretty much that yeah
[11:28] <ppq> which is a good thing, of course
[11:28] <RahulAN> ShorTie, It is getting hanged :(
[11:28] <ShorTie> ??
[11:29] <ShorTie> there is a linux dev board that gets around drm
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[11:34] <RahulAN> ShorTie, I am totally messed up
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[11:36] <[Saint]> Apparently so.
[11:36] <ShorTie> oh, finger thing, got no idea never played with 1
[11:36] <[Saint]> But, directing random statements at random people isn't a solution.
[11:37] <[Saint]> RahulAN: if you read the logs, you'll see gordonDrogon answered your question.
[11:38] <RahulAN> that time i was logged out beccause of network error
[11:38] <RahulAN> So I dont have log :(
[11:38] <[Saint]> We do.
[11:38] <[Saint]> Check the topic.
[11:39] <ShorTie> ham, egg and some french vanilla cream to wash it down, don't know what else my kitty wants for breakfast .. :/~
[11:40] <RahulAN> [Saint], i am not getting ?
[11:40] <[Saint]> Channel logs are clearly linked in the topic.
[11:42] <RahulAN> yes i got
[11:43] <RahulAN> but where to put resistor ?
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[11:46] <RahulAN> [Saint], So do i remove all this max232 mess?
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[11:48] <gordonDrogon> RahulAN, the Tx from the finger print reader is open-drain - that means you connect it to the Pi's 3.3v line.
[11:49] <gordonDrogon> RahulAN, how is your programming skills? You will need to write a program to drive this.
[11:49] <gordonDrogon> or use some other software that already knows how to drive it.
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[11:50] <RahulAN> gordonDrogon, can this be done by minicom?
[11:50] <gordonDrogon> you may be able to use minicom to test it.
[11:51] <RahulAN> Yes i will
[11:51] <RahulAN> and it drives with 3.3 volt
[11:52] <RahulAN> Now i do connect it to vcc gnd rx and tx?
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[11:52] <RahulAN> means pin 1 ,6 ,8 ,10
[11:53] <gordonDrogon> probably. not sure it it will run off 3.3v but you can give it a go.
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[11:53] <gordonDrogon> but you will need to write a program to fully use it.
[11:54] <RahulAN> gordonDrogon, i got its real data sheet. this one http://dump.no/files/1ec8f166b885/FIM10_DataSheet(v1.1).pdf
[11:54] <RahulAN> sorry for previous
[11:55] <RahulAN> and i will have to write a program as i need it in my application
[11:57] <gordonDrogon> woa - that's different to what you posted earlier.
[11:58] <gordonDrogon> what you posted earlier was jsut the module - this is the module and a circuit board to go with it.
[11:58] <RahulAN> yes.. i know it sucked my time.
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[11:59] <gordonDrogon> tha board uses RS232 - and therefore will need a proper serial adapter for the Pi - I'd strongly recommend using a USB one.
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[12:00] <gordonDrogon> looks like that board can use used completely standalone without a Pi too.
[12:01] <RahulAN> gordonDrogon, it means i need max232
[12:01] <RahulAN> i have that board
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[12:09] <Mo> ppq: Really? If OpenSSL would not have been broken it should not be able to break :) but knowing the source of OpenSource will not enable to break DRM techniques, no?
[12:15] <Samysam> Hello world !
[12:16] <Samysam> I would like to control a led wich should be on at pi power on.Since no GPIO is reliable for that I was thinking of a NAND oor a XOR gate
[12:17] <ppq> Mo, SSL != DRM
[12:17] <mgottschlag> Mo: DRM depends on secret keys being installed on the device
[12:17] <mgottschlag> and it depends on software which never outputs unencrypted media
[12:17] <Mo> mgottschlag: Asymetric ciphers, don't they offer this way?
[12:17] <Samysam> but I'm an electronic noob, and googling doesn't help, so where I can find a good howto about that ? (what kind of transistor, what resistor values)
[12:18] <mgottschlag> with OSS software, it would be easy to dump the key or rewrite the program that it dumps unencrypted data
[12:19] <mgottschlag> Mo: asymmetric ciphers always decrypt with the private key
[12:20] <mgottschlag> so they don't solve this problem
[12:20] <mgottschlag> anyways, that part of the problem isn't really the bad one
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[12:20] <mgottschlag> the part where the software must not output unencrypted data, that's the more difficult one
[12:20] <mgottschlag> the encryption problem could be solved by embedding the keys in dedicated hardware
[12:20] <mgottschlag> but the results have to be processed by software
[12:21] <Mo> mgottschlag: The provider of material does only send you encrypted data. To read it you can purchase a private key.
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[12:22] <Mo> mgottschlag: Of course you can rewrite the OSS to not decrypt but then you can't access. Ok, you can rewrite it to decrypt and output the decrypted, maybe here is the issue... :(
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[12:22] <mgottschlag> yeah, exactly
[12:22] <mgottschlag> DRM is supposed to stop copying the material
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[12:26] <gordonDrogon> Samysam, the power LED comes on when you power it up..
[12:26] <gordonDrogon> Samysam, however I'm somewhat surprised at your comment about not GPIO being reliable - maybe you mean quick enough to turn on at boot time?
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[12:41] <Samysam> gordonDrogon: During startup, they're all low
[12:41] <Samysam> gordonDrogon, I should wait for bot to finish to control them
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[12:48] <gordonDrogon> Samysam, there are a few that are high at startup..
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[12:49] <gordonDrogon> Samysam, and some that are tristate (ie. input), but have the internal pull-ups set high.
[12:50] <gordonDrogon> Samysam, e.g. the I2C pins - while being set to input at power-on time, have on-board 1K8 pull-ups - that is good to drive a small LED or send a signal elsewhere.
[12:51] <Samysam> gordonDrogon: I've read that it's may change with firmware updates, that would not be a reliable way t do that
[12:52] <gordonDrogon> Samysam, the planned changes for the B+ firmware shouldn't affect the initial state of the pins - unless you use an I2C eeprom on your board.
[12:52] <shiftplusone> gordonDrogon?
[12:52] <gordonDrogon> and in any case - the 1K8 pull up's on the user I2C pins aren't going to change.
[12:52] <shiftplusone> the plan is that all pins are going to be inputs, apart from the reserved I2C0 pins
[12:52] <shiftplusone> unless you enable a legacy option
[12:53] <shiftplusone> Samysam, you can modify default pin states
[12:53] <gordonDrogon> which should be no eeprom fitted... (at least I hope that's the state it ends up in!)
[12:53] <shiftplusone> gordonDrogon, no, the legacy thing will be a config.txt option
[12:53] <shiftplusone> not default
[12:54] <gordonDrogon> and if you need to know if the Pi has been powered on - just put an LED directly on the 3.3 line...
[12:54] <Samysam> my I2C pins are used
[12:54] <Samysam> (and my rx and tx too)
[12:54] <shiftplusone> Samysam, dom posted a dt-blob.bin. You can convert it to a dts file, modify it as necessary and compile it back to a dtb file.
[12:54] <gordonDrogon> shiftplusone, that equates to legacy to me - new firmware with no eeprom (plus the config.txt) = legacy.
[12:55] <shiftplusone> ah yes, sure
[12:55] <shiftplusone> Samysam, that will allow you to change default pin states
[12:57] <Samysam> shiftplusone: where can I find this file ?
[12:57] <shiftplusone> forum
[12:57] <shiftplusone> go through dom's posts
[12:58] <shiftplusone> should be a dropbox link
[12:58] <Samysam> shiftplusone: ok, I'll look at that. thanks guys !
[12:58] <shiftplusone> np
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[13:04] <gordonDrogon> shiftplusone, actually, I'd like to know that new firmware with nothing new in config.txt = legacy too...
[13:04] <gordonDrogon> else an alt-get update/upgrade would need to edit something into config.txt for me...
[13:05] <shiftplusone> gordonDrogon, aye, that's what I was trying to say earlier. the option will need to be added to config.txt manually. a raspi-config entry will be provided for noobs
[13:05] <gordonDrogon> ok
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[14:29] <Boscop> why does dhclient just die after not using the network connection for a while?
[14:29] <Boscop> on my pi
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[14:38] <DoctorPenguin> hey guys. I updated to retropie 2.3 and it screwed up my retropie install. It does not automatically obtain and ip now and or listen to the ssh port irregardless of if I use the install script to rerun it. What should I do?
[14:38] <DoctorPenguin> an*
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[14:42] <lost_soul> Boscop: I haven't had that issue myself
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[14:43] <DoctorPenguin> ya its weird
[14:44] <DoctorPenguin> I think I might just set it up with auto wifi /w a dongle
[14:45] <lost_soul> DoctorPenguin: I've never used retropie but maybe something went awry with the updating process. Have you tried reinstalling from scratch.
[14:47] <DoctorPenguin> thats what I just tried
[14:47] <DoctorPenguin> going to see if its my usb hub
[14:47] <DoctorPenguin> I have enough of them
[14:47] <DoctorPenguin> have like a box of 20 2.0 ones and I've been having shorts when I go into emulationstation or startx
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[14:47] <DoctorPenguin> idk why
[14:47] <DoctorPenguin> thats another problem
[14:48] <DoctorPenguin> 2.2 and 2.3 have been giving me issues so I updated and then reinstalled and redownloaded 2.3 on an sd card
[14:48] <DoctorPenguin> can overclocking to run n64 games cause issues /w the pi and hub?
[14:48] <lost_soul> do you really need to overclock to run n64 games?
[14:49] <DoctorPenguin> Evidently
[14:49] <lost_soul> strange
[14:53] <lost_soul> http://www.raspberrypi.org/forums/viewtopic.php?f=29&t=58173
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[14:54] <lost_soul> jusdging by that thread, I would try to run it via usb, or not overclock it
[14:57] <DoctorPenguin> I think its the hub
[14:57] <DoctorPenguin> its not supplying enough power and its shorting the keyboard mouse and controller
[14:57] <DoctorPenguin> I think I might have the wrong plug for it
[14:58] <DoctorPenguin> I just would like to have this thing set up to bring to my linux users group
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[15:29] <Samysam> Hi again. I' trying to adapt this tutrial for the pi: http://www.eatelier.nl/index.php/arduino/item/155-shift-in-register. But I have too much noise (even with an integrator algo)
[15:29] <Samysam> Is there some resistors missing? What should I do about pins without buttons (I'm testing with only one button, now) ?
[15:31] <Samysam> (here my code, perhaps an algo issue, but I read it a lot without finding the issue: http://pastebin.com/KTgCxw2x)
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[15:35] <gordonDrogon> 5�S between clocks - ought to be fine.
[15:35] <gordonDrogon> although - there's only one delayMicroseconds() in there- you might need another as the time between the clock going low then high will be under 1�S.
[15:36] <Samysam> gordonDrogon: I'll try
[15:36] <gordonDrogon> also, you might want to look at this: https://projects.drogon.net/nes-controller-on-the-raspberry-pi/ and look at the nes.c interface code in wiringPi - it basically does the same - reading from a shift-register.
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[15:36] <P3n7u5> hi
[15:37] <gordonDrogon> the code in in devLib/piNes.c
[15:37] <P3n7u5> I just booted my raspberry pi for the first time
[15:37] <P3n7u5> whats the default username and password?
[15:39] <gordonDrogon> P3n7u5, it's pi and password raspberry
[15:39] <gordonDrogon> assuming you have installed Raspbian that is - I've no idea what other Linux variants use.
[15:40] <Samysam> gordonDrogon: I've added delay(50) to the end of the loop, but I've still the noise issue
[15:41] <gordonDrogon> Samysam, let me re-read the code again.
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[15:44] <P3n7u5> gordonDrogon : Not working
[15:44] <gordonDrogon> lets jsut double-check your pin numbers - it's sometime a source of confusion - http://wiringpi.com/pins/ 12 is P1:19, 7 is P1:7 and 11 is P1:26
[15:45] <gordonDrogon> P3n7u5, did you install raspbian ?
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[15:47] <P3n7u5> it was already installed
[15:47] <gordonDrogon> Samysam, the code seems fine - delay(5) is 5 milliseconds - plenty slow enough - the arduino will take a few �S to go round that loop, but the Pi will do it in under 1�S though.
[15:47] <gordonDrogon> P3n7u5, login pi, password raspberry - if it's not that, then maybe someone has changed it?
[15:48] <P3n7u5> might be
[15:48] <P3n7u5> thanks
[15:48] <P3n7u5> for the help
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[15:51] <Samysam> gordonDrogon: thanks, I've changed the pin numbers form physical to wiringPi numbering
[15:52] <Samysam> and now I don't have noise issue
[15:52] <gordonDrogon> excellenbt
[15:53] <Samysam> now, nothing change at all if I push my button ^^
[15:53] <gordonDrogon> maybe remove the integration part for now.
[15:53] <gordonDrogon> just read the raw inputs.
[15:54] <gordonDrogon> and note that there is also wiringPiSetupPhys () if you want to the use P1 pin numbers.
[15:54] <gordonDrogon> P3n7u5, if you have internet access, it might be just as easy to download a new Raspbian image for it - see raspberrypi.org/downloads
[15:56] <Samysam> gordonDrogon: I checked: I've a little noise, but it's clean with a '2' integrator (before integrator failed even with '20')
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[15:56] <beng1> hello all
[15:57] <beng1> im working on a project where im being asked about the service life of a pi. is there any data out there on this?
[15:57] <Tachyon`> no, but given there's zero moving parts...
[15:58] <Tachyon`> if it's any help I've had one running pretty much since launch constantly
[15:58] <Tachyon`> although one is a very small sample
[15:58] <edjuh> mh17 at 16:00 1 minute silence (for the dutch) please
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[15:59] <edjuh> this message for the dutch on this channel. sorry for that
[15:59] <beng1> shouldnt just be fore the dutch
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[16:00] <gordonDrogon> beng1, it's hard to say, but the foundation have said that they'll support the compute module for the next 5 years, so that suggests it's going to be fairly good.
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[16:00] <edjuh> beng1 is for all MH17, the momen though is now in Holland
[16:00] <Tachyon`> no moving parts, no electrolytics, if it's on all the time to prevent thermal stress on the BGA connections I see no reason why it wouldn't run foreever
[16:00] <gordonDrogon> beng1, I have computers over 35 years old - still going. the things that go first are usually electrolytic capacitors... B+ doesn't have any.
[16:01] <gordonDrogon> Tachyon`, A&B do have electrolytics.
[16:01] <Tachyon`> oh yes, didn't notice those
[16:01] <gordonDrogon> and lead-free solder does have this "whisker" effect - how that's going to pan out in the future is anyones guess.
[16:01] <beng1> ok thanks for the info
[16:02] <Tachyon`> a single 220uF cap from what I can see
[16:02] <beng1> i will say unknown but expected to be 5+ years
[16:02] <beng1> are there any caps on the B+ then?
[16:02] <Halbard> I was able to produce sound on my small pc speaker via GPIO but the sound is too quiet. Is there a solution to it?
[16:02] <gordonDrogon> beng1, sounds reasonable.
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[16:02] <Tachyon`> none
[16:02] <beng1> thanks
[16:02] <gordonDrogon> beng1, caps yes, but not electrolytics.
[16:02] <Tachyon`> I think they replaced the PSU circuit on the B+?
[16:02] <gordonDrogon> Halbard, amplifier...
[16:03] <gordonDrogon> Halbard, even a single transistor...
[16:03] * Tachyon` has never experienced the whisker effect personally althoug hhas read about it
[16:03] <gordonDrogon> Halbard, are you using softTone, or PWM?
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[16:03] <Tachyon`> didn't realise it was specific to lead free solder though
[16:03] <Tachyon`> another reason to dislike it
[16:03] <Halbard> I'm using PWM
[16:04] <beng1> sorry next question, temp ranges?
[16:04] <beng1> cant see anything on the wiki
[16:04] <Halbard> Just a few lines of python code.
[16:04] <beng1> sorry simple google search got me that
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[16:04] <realies> hello people :)
[16:05] <realies> i'm new around the RPi, got the B+ recently
[16:05] <IT_Sean> Hello, not people.
[16:05] <gordonDrogon> Halbard, ok. I was thinking if you were using softTone, you can wire it between 2 pins and arrange the pins to be opposite polarity - it effectively doubles the voltage over it, but there is the potential for gpio damage (but it was ok when I tried it myself :)
[16:06] <gordonDrogon> beng1, it's good to 85C - it underclocks itself above that.
[16:06] <realies> may I ask you some newbish things?
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[16:06] <gordonDrogon> best to just ask...
[16:06] <gordonDrogon> (rather than ask to ask)
[16:07] <beng1> am i sexy?
[16:07] <realies> fair logic lol
[16:07] <gordonDrogon> beng1, it's all rather subjective...
[16:07] <realies> I'm running on OSX and have just installed virtual box + vagrant + debian_amd64 and I'm just cloning the git for raspberry tools
[16:08] <beng1> nice approach
[16:08] <beng1> i love vagrant
[16:08] <realies> I'd like to build a cross compiling environment for the RPi, but I'm not sure about some things
[16:08] <realies> Am I going to be building the stuff on my machine and then copying or cloning somehow the binaries that I've compiled or I'm supposed to work with the sdcard that is on the RPi itself
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[16:11] <Samysam> realies: the raspi is powerfull enought to develop on it. But if you whant to cross-compile you could copy on the sdcard by connecting it to the mac, or sending it though ssh
[16:11] <gordonDrogon> realies, you can simply copy to the Pi - use ftp/scp/rsync/etc.
[16:12] <realies> so I could clone the sdcard to my laptop, build whatever I want and if it works I can restore it back?
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[16:12] <gordonDrogon> I build everything I do on the Pi itself but my biggest app is only 30K lines of C.
[16:13] <realies> I just want to try the crosscompiling
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[16:14] <realies> I wanted to install gstreamer1.4.0 and compile it on the RPi, but its hell of an effort for me as a starting user
[16:14] <beng1> it might be easier just to start on the device no?
[16:15] <realies> yeah, it might be
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[16:15] <realies> i've gave up hope for some time on building it on the pi and just want to try the cross compiling
[16:15] <beng1> its fine, its just sucks when you need to compile something big like opencv
[16:15] <beng1> 10 hrs :)
[16:15] <Samysam> realities: you migh want to look at Buildroot. It's a cross-compilation plateform designed to generate realy minimalist system ( https://github.com/gamaral/rpi-buildroot )
[16:15] <realies> I've found this https://github.com/skgsergio/rpi-buildenv
[16:16] <edjuh> "/ignore -channels #raspberrypi, * JOINS PARTS QUITS NICKS
[16:16] <realies> haha
[16:16] <gn0> I've cross-compiled stuff for some hardware-limited stuff and I agree with realies, cross compiling would be an improvement for you beng1.
[16:17] <beng1> yeah but i like waiting
[16:17] <realies> I may say that I have almost no clue what I'm doing
[16:17] <realies> i've just cloned the git rpi-tools
[16:17] <realies> what should be my next step?
[16:17] <beng1> I can watch the entire box set of 24 while waiting for my superdoopermegaapp to compile
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[16:18] <edjuh> realies: PRAYER :??
[16:18] <gordonDrogon> beng1, Heh.. RTB onyl takes 3 minutes on a Pi on the rare occasions I compile from scratch.
[16:18] <Tachyon`> try rebuilding X, you'll then have time for all the stargates too
[16:18] <realies> do I need to build a chroot?
[16:18] <beng1> if someone writes up a nice tutorial for setting a cross platform up, I will be bang up for it
[16:19] <realies> yeah, i'm being confused with a couple of advices and tutorials
[16:19] <gn0> beng1 if you were working, waiting would be such a great idea, you can just play tetris and if someone asks you can just say "I'm compiling"
[16:19] <realies> lol
[16:19] <beng1> ah shit you've got me sussed
[16:19] <beng1> dont tell anyone
[16:20] <beng1> bit like "ah yeah sorry, It's rendering"
[16:20] <gn0> This is a secret
[16:20] <gn0> Yep, kind of
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[16:20] <beng1> that's why i still use an Amiga video toaster for all my vfx work
[16:21] <gn0> I remember something that says something like if you have to do a task, ask four times the time you need for it, do it in the double of the time and rest the other time.
[16:21] <realies> right... someone with cross compiling experience, please guide me (the prayer)
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[16:22] <gn0> realies I don't have cross-compiling experience on RaspberryPi, sorry. I just worked with some old ARM and MIPS a few years ago and I used x-chains I think
[16:22] <realies> or no.. i just found a guide from openframeworks
[16:23] <realies> http://www.openframeworks.cc/setup/raspberrypi/Raspberry-Pi-Cross-compiling-guide.html
[16:23] <gn0> Thanks internet for your wisdom.
[16:23] <gn0> And for porn, don't forget about porn.
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[16:25] <realies> I just like interacting with people
[16:26] <beng1> without touching them
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[16:28] <gn0> Well.. to be honest, I wasn't using IRC for the last 4 or 5 years, tough I was unable to stay a day without it back in 2006. But yesterday I just wanted to talk with people.
[16:28] <realies> yeah, i think irc is just enough for cross compiling interactive knowledge
[16:28] <realies> sadly I don't have friends with which I could talk about this
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[16:28] <gn0> hahahaha
[16:28] <realies> friends that I can meet and talk I mean
[16:28] <realies> overseas n shit
[16:28] <beng1> i remember back in the day when all IRC was used for was a bit a a/s/l
[16:29] <realies> :D
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[16:29] <gn0> realies I know the feeling bro
[16:29] <beng1> followed by, wanna cyber?
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[16:29] <gn0> beng1 hahaha
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[16:29] <realies> asl pls
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[16:29] <gn0> I was probably a child
[16:30] <realies> me2
[16:30] <beng1> i remember chatting away to Kim.com on some amiga channel daily
[16:31] <realies> as we said asl, where are you guys from lol
[16:31] <beng1> Kimble
[16:31] <gn0> what's kim.com?
[16:31] <gn0> woha, that was fast (?)
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[16:34] <P3n7u5> gordonDrogon: I reinstalled the SD card
[16:34] <P3n7u5> still not working
[16:34] <P3n7u5> with pi
[16:34] <P3n7u5> raspberry
[16:34] <P3n7u5> user
[16:34] <P3n7u5> oh sorry
[16:35] <P3n7u5> works
[16:35] <realies> say wut ;D
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[16:35] <gn0> lol
[16:36] <gn0> hey, I have a question, maybe someone knows, I've asked it a few months ago but now I have new info and maybe you can help me
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[16:37] <gn0> I have a RPi that when using SPI with RF modules (Nordic Semiconductor nRF24L01+) was unabe to mantain an stable communication with the module.
[16:39] <gn0> I've analyzed the waveform with my scope and it seems that the square wave was dropping near 0 before going really to 0. When you see the wave zoomed out it looks like it has another wave (sinusoidal) superposed and the drops of the square wave are coincident with this wave. I can send you some screenshots of my scope if you want.
[16:39] <gn0> First I tought it was the RF module, then I tested with Arduino and it worked like a charm, after that I bought another RPi and it worked like a charm too.
[16:40] <gn0> So the question is... does anyone knows in which part of the board should I look to try to fix the problem?
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[16:42] <P3n7u5> I have an NFC chip that I would like to program
[16:42] <P3n7u5> with my Rpi
[16:43] <P3n7u5> but when I connect it
[16:43] <P3n7u5> the Rpi
[16:43] <P3n7u5> shuts down
[16:43] <P3n7u5> might be a power problem
[16:43] <P3n7u5> any idea??
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[16:45] <Samysam> P3n7u5, a shortcut ?
[16:45] <IT_Sean> P3n7u5, easy on the return key there buddy... you CAN type more than two words per line.
[16:45] <beng1> gn0: sorry dude, thats a tough one
[16:46] <beng1> gn0: what encoding type are you using, manchester?
[16:46] <gn0> what do you mean? lol
[16:46] <beng1> how are you packaging your serial stream?
[16:46] <beng1> or are you just bit bashing it
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[16:48] <gn0> Oh, for the encoding of the protocol I did a small C program using the chip's datasheet. For sending the data I've used the native library for SPI
[16:49] <gn0> I don't think it's an encoding issue, more than a hardware failure, since the other RPi is (was, cuz a friend took it) working well.
[16:49] <beng1> so spi issue on the pi side ?
[16:50] <beng1> i hate spi
[16:50] <beng1> too many wires :)
[16:50] <gn0> Yep, I think that's the problem.
[16:50] <beng1> will they talk via i2c?
[16:50] <gn0> It's useful sometimes and it's fast.
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[16:50] <beng1> its super fast
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[16:51] <gn0> Nope, that chip just works with SPI, the lowest datarate it's ~125kbps. But you can use it on 2mbps, I2C as far as I know can't cope with that.
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[17:18] <bugy_> hello there ... i'm running raspbian and I want to run some opengl games for test, but glxinfo exits with errors
[17:19] <shiftplusone> opengl != opengl es
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[17:20] <MY123> bugy_ : You can try with libgl1-mesa-swx11
[17:20] <bugy_> so none of opengl would work on raspberry
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[17:22] <shiftplusone> there's also glshim
[17:22] <shiftplusone> but really, the only useable option is opengl es
[17:22] <shiftplusone> everything else "works", but not really.
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[17:23] <MY123> shiftplusone: You should not forget Anholt's work (pre-alpha).
[17:24] <shiftplusone> I'll remember it when it's done.
[17:25] <MY123> http;//github.com/cleverca22/gl
[17:25] <MY123> Another QPU accelerated GL implementation,
[17:25] <shiftplusone> again, useless for anything practical
[17:26] <bugy_> in which way opengl es is accessible
[17:26] <bugy_> library
[17:26] <Samysam> Hi again, I'm still working on the 74hc165. The datasheet say "Input Rise and Fall Time: 800 ns". It's mean I have to wait at least 800ns beetween 2 CLOCK pulse or beetwenn 2 LATCH pulse, or both ?
[17:27] <shiftplusone> bugy_, look under /opt/vc/lib
[17:27] <MY123> bugy_ : /opt/vc/lib libGLESv2.so.2
[17:27] <bugy_> thanks
[17:27] <MY123> bugy_ : If you want an X11 window, you may like X11EGLRPI.
[17:29] <gordonDrogon> Samysam, it means the chip can take up to 800ns to recognise a voltage change on an input pin. Just delay for 1�S every time you change the latch or clock pins. (each way)
[17:29] <bugy_> i'm not going to code anything ... I was more to see what this little GPU can do ... but there obviosly not direct approach
[17:29] <gordonDrogon> Samysam, but try to keep the wiring short - breadboards & long wires aren't that good for higher speed signals.
[17:30] <gordonDrogon> bugy_, it can do Quake 3 at 30fps ...
[17:30] <MY123> bugy_ : It can do GPGPU. It has a LLVM port ,...
[17:30] <gordonDrogon> bugy_, but you need to use the right tools - ie. opengl es.
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[17:30] <bugy_> is quake 3 opengl es-ed :)
[17:30] <Samysam> gordonDrogon: ok. Many thanks !
[17:31] <gordonDrogon> bugy_, yes. well it appears to be. it was one of the very early demos of the Pi - even before it was released I think.
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[17:31] <MY123> gordonDrogon: No need of OGLES. Programming the QPU in C with github.com/simonjhall/llvm_qpu (but not graphics).
[17:31] <gordonDrogon> I've only played Doom on it and that doesn't use the GPU :)
[17:32] <bugy_> thanks I would try to find it
[17:32] <gordonDrogon> MY123, I really don't think you're being helpful here. That's not exactly general purpose.
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[17:33] <MY123> He said ALL that the little GPU can do, and that is in the list. It is in C++ and runned some demos on it.
[17:34] <bugy_> well maybe will be good if i start programming
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[17:35] <gordonDrogon> if you're not already a programmer, then starting with the gpu would not be a recommendation.
[17:37] <Samysam> gordonDrogon: what is worse? long wire beetween the rpi and the shift register or long wire beetween the shift register and the buttons ? Is 15cm a long wire ?
[17:39] <MY123> Samysam: I would prefer a long wire between the shift register and buttons.
[17:39] <gordonDrogon> Samysam, probably a long wire between the Pi and the SR. However you can reduce the effects of that by slowing things down - use delay(1) which is 1mS - which effectively gives you a 50KHz clock.
[17:40] <Samysam> MY123, gordonDrogon: thank you guys. I'll keep the SR as closer as possible from the pi and keep a 1ms delay
[17:40] <gordonDrogon> off by 100 there - 0.5KHz clock
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[17:42] <Samysam> And I will fiddle with the integrator value to remove noise
[17:43] <bugy_> is that Minecraft game in Raspbian OpenGL ES or something else ?
[17:43] <shiftplusone> opengl es
[17:43] <MY123> bugy_: OpenGL ES 2.0.
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[17:44] <bugy_> so pretty smooth graphics
[17:48] <gordonDrogon> Samysam, i'd really not bother with that integrator at all. You should not need it. If you're in an environment where you can pick up spurious signals then perhaps you might want to consider better shielding on the signal cables first.
[17:51] <Samysam> I'm using 11 buttons, + 12 leds + a radial potentiometer, at 15 cm from the pi, so I'm using an IDE cable.
[17:51] <Samysam> No shielding, but clean
[17:52] <Samysam> ohterwise it will look like a spider web
[17:53] <Samysam> gordonDrogon, Are you the wiringPi lib author ?
[17:54] <shiftplusone> so he would have us believe
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[17:58] <gordonDrogon> Samysam, yes.
[17:58] <DoctorPenguin> Figured it out. Was a problem with the cable. Not the usb hub's overclocking or the amount of pwr
[17:59] <Samysam> gordonDrogon, I'm looking at the lib for the SR. Why is there no latch pin parameter?
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[17:59] <gordonDrogon> Samysam, what library function are you looking at?
[18:00] <gordonDrogon> shiftIn?
[18:00] <Samysam> gordonDrogon, ye
[18:00] <gordonDrogon> no latch because it doesn't know what device you have connected.
[18:00] <gordonDrogon> you can bracket it with the latch toggles yourself.
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[18:01] <Samysam> gordonDrogon, ok thanks
[18:01] <Samysam> gordonDrogon, and many many thanks for the wiringPi lib ^^
[18:03] <Samysam> It's welding time, good bye guys !
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[18:04] <DoctorPenguin> I have to say gordonDrogon, 2.3, now that its all reconfigured is the most stable I've seen RetroPie.
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[18:07] <lost_soul> DoctorPenguin: you vanished without confirmation... wifi connect and stable?
[18:08] <DoctorPenguin> yep
[18:08] <DoctorPenguin> srry about that
[18:08] <lost_soul> did you get it put in cron?
[18:08] <DoctorPenguin> wpa_supplicant, those settings and the config you gave me
[18:08] <lost_soul> no worries
[18:08] <DoctorPenguin> I didn't even have too
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[18:08] <DoctorPenguin> pi loads the supplicant file by default
[18:08] <lost_soul> it starts at boot without it?
[18:08] <DoctorPenguin> the settings you helped me to produce loaded by default and I fixed the overclocking issue
[18:08] <DoctorPenguin> yep
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[18:08] <lost_soul> nice
[18:09] <DoctorPenguin> going to use it to connect my pi to my universities firewall of death
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[18:09] <DoctorPenguin> hopefully it will work
[18:09] <DoctorPenguin> they only thing that can tunnel out of their firewall is openvpn
[18:09] <DoctorPenguin> its awful
[18:09] <DoctorPenguin> I share a router in our hallwall b/c the wireless is soo sketchy too
[18:10] <lost_soul> no ssh?
[18:10] <DoctorPenguin> nope
[18:10] <DoctorPenguin> didn't need too
[18:10] <DoctorPenguin> my professor always says: A lazy programmer is a good one
[18:10] <lost_soul> no, I meant as a way to get through the university firewall
[18:10] <DoctorPenguin> o ya
[18:10] <DoctorPenguin> you can ssh and ssftp
[18:11] <lost_soul> you could setup a ssh tunnel to get through then
[18:11] <DoctorPenguin> I'm affraid they'll have it blocked
[18:11] <DoctorPenguin> I'm on my dads wifi at his house
[18:11] <lost_soul> ah
[18:12] <DoctorPenguin> btw... Do You know what support that new openwifi firmware offers offhand?
[18:12] <DoctorPenguin> can't wait for like dlink and netgear support
[18:12] <DoctorPenguin> Btw also, lost_soul; did you see the really nice bugfixed in 2.3? They only thing they didn't fix was the n64 emulators problems /w expecting a rumblepack
[18:12] <DoctorPenguin> bugfixes*
[18:12] <lost_soul> no, I know virtually nothing about wifi
[18:13] <lost_soul> I've never used retropi DoctorPenguin, only openelec and raspbian for testing purposes
[18:13] <DoctorPenguin> the openwifi movement is being written by volunteers and the linux community to share wifi connections with your neighbors
[18:13] <DoctorPenguin> ah
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[18:13] <DoctorPenguin> ya, I plan to do more /w it after my research for my BA is done. I want to eventually do robotics for my masters of computer science
[18:14] <gordonDrogon> which is ewll and good, but I pay good money for my Internet connection and really don't want to share it with my cheapskate neighbours who buy cheap crappy services.
[18:14] <DoctorPenguin> you can limit bandwidth
[18:14] <DoctorPenguin> I doubt you use more than 1mb on your network
[18:14] <lost_soul> gordonDrogon: hahaha, I feel the same way
[18:14] <gordonDrogon> And BT Fon is now being warned about by the police here.
[18:14] <DoctorPenguin> we use probably, half a Mb on our network here at home
[18:15] <gordonDrogon> http://www.theregister.co.uk/2014/07/23/plods_in_fon_faux_pas/
[18:15] <DoctorPenguin> how much do you use on your network? ours is 1Mb down half up
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[18:15] <DoctorPenguin> the university however has like 50 mbits up and down
[18:16] <lost_soul> I get about 25 down 1.5 up or something like that
[18:16] <DoctorPenguin> its a sweet pipe
[18:16] <DoctorPenguin> mbits or megabytes?
[18:16] <DoctorPenguin> 25/8 and 1.5/8 == Mb
[18:16] <lost_soul> mbits
[18:16] <DoctorPenguin> ah cool
[18:17] <DoctorPenguin> you reminded me. I gotta bookmark that page to generate those settings
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[18:17] <DoctorPenguin> so 3 Mb down and .1875 up
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[18:18] <lost_soul> sounds about right
[18:18] <DoctorPenguin> my room m8 clarified the difference for me
[18:18] <DoctorPenguin> me was like Mb or mb?
[18:18] <DoctorPenguin> theres a difference you know
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[18:19] <DoctorPenguin> I don't do networking. Me and networking don't connect. I do hardware/software. Python and Java atm
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[18:20] <lost_soul> I do only the networking I must
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[18:20] <DoctorPenguin> job?
[18:21] <lost_soul> unemployed atm, back in school.. or will be come september
[18:21] <DoctorPenguin> ah ya me 2
[18:21] <DoctorPenguin> working on my 2nd degree soon
[18:21] <DoctorPenguin> masters
[18:21] <DoctorPenguin> been in school for 4 yrs
[18:22] <lost_soul> nice
[18:22] <DoctorPenguin> studied Anthropology, Russian, Software Engineering
[18:22] <lost_soul> I'm only going for associates, not enough work to make it worthwhile to go further here..
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[18:24] <DoctorPenguin> ah
[18:24] <DoctorPenguin> I was on almost a full scholarship
[18:24] <DoctorPenguin> 3.5 yrs were free for me
[18:24] <DoctorPenguin> only owe 5grand
[18:25] <lost_soul> not bad for a masters
[18:25] <DoctorPenguin> BA
[18:25] <lost_soul> ah, so roughly two more for your masters
[18:25] <DoctorPenguin> masters is going to be about 10,000 * 4
[18:25] <DoctorPenguin> er ya
[18:25] <DoctorPenguin> whoops
[18:25] <DoctorPenguin> 10,000 * 2
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[18:25] <DoctorPenguin> b/c of in state residency
[18:26] <DoctorPenguin> if I moved to California and worked at a radioshack or somewhere I could get the same rate, I think my mom said lower, so about 5 grand a semester
[18:26] <DoctorPenguin> for 6 months residency
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[18:26] <DoctorPenguin> We were considering it
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[18:27] <lost_soul> that isn't all that bad, really
[18:27] <lost_soul> in NY some schools are 40k on upwards
[18:27] <DoctorPenguin> ya NY is the most gentrificated state in the US though
[18:28] <ShorTie> and not worth every penny of it
[18:28] <DoctorPenguin> its the law of big numbers
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[18:28] <lost_soul> yea, NY sucks
[18:28] <DoctorPenguin> the more money x community has the more chance they have and the more everything costs and vice versa
[18:28] <DoctorPenguin> its why r > g
[18:29] <DoctorPenguin> Revenue is greater than generations x's chances of occurring it
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[18:29] <MY123> lost_soul: And United States Of America are near bankruptcy.
[18:29] <DoctorPenguin> yep b/c a bunch of oligarchs decided they were going to take over the govt and stall a semi-democracy
[18:30] <lost_soul> MY123: yes, but that is a completely different issue over NY sucking
[18:30] <lost_soul> :p
[18:30] <DoctorPenguin> see the more people who become disinterested in politics and don't vote, the more power the minority that does has
[18:30] <DoctorPenguin> and the same for discrimination
[18:30] <DoctorPenguin> but, these are just mathematical laws
[18:31] <MY123> DoctorPenguin: In France, less people vote with time at the european votes.
[18:31] <DoctorPenguin> your system is different though
[18:31] <DoctorPenguin> the European voting system votes for minority parties
[18:32] <DoctorPenguin> the voting system in the us votes for majority
[18:32] <DoctorPenguin> and it checks that vote against the electoral college
[18:32] <DoctorPenguin> you basically have a list say 1-10 on party x
[18:32] <DoctorPenguin> well I think it is distributed evenly on that list and it goes down the list to vote for superiority in the party
[18:32] <DoctorPenguin> I think
[18:33] <DoctorPenguin> b/c where else in the world would the pirate party be elected?
[18:33] <DoctorPenguin> in the EU I think they got like 200-300 votes
[18:33] <DoctorPenguin> in Finland and got 1 canidate elected
[18:34] <DoctorPenguin> Am I right, MY123?
[18:34] <MY123> DoctorPenguin: Yes. In France , the small FN has done a miracle.
[18:35] <DoctorPenguin> I am actually registered as a pirate party voter..
[18:35] <DoctorPenguin> in the US
[18:35] <DoctorPenguin> I think I'm the 2nd in my whole state
[18:35] <DoctorPenguin> lol
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[18:36] <MY123> DoctorPenguin: USA is not a democracy with the NSA/FBI/... . They suck.
[18:36] <DoctorPenguin> I don't disagree with you
[18:36] <DoctorPenguin> I
[18:36] <DoctorPenguin> and my friends have contemplated leaving
[18:37] <MY123> But return on topic now, DoctorPenguin .
[18:37] <DoctorPenguin> but, keeping citizenship barring the worst
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[18:37] <blockh34d> does omxplayer still require ffmpeg?
[18:37] <DoctorPenguin> but, can I ask 1 more question? is Rick Falkvinge that canidate in Finland?
[18:37] <DoctorPenguin> I think thats his name
[18:37] <bsch00> omxplayer is typically linked to it's own static version of ffmpeg
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[18:38] <MY123> blockh34d: Welcome. You use IRC on a Raspberry Pi like 5 percent of the users of this channel.
[18:38] <blockh34d> bsch00: is ffprobe still part of that ffmpeg version?
[18:38] <bsch00> no, the default build for omxplayer doesn't build any of the ff* binaries.
[18:38] <bsch00> omxplayer -i has similar functionality
[18:39] <blockh34d> bsch00: i see... i wrote a front end to omxplayer, it uses ffprobe to extract info about the current file
[18:39] <blockh34d> maybe theres a way to get omxplayer to funnel that data to my app with its own version of ffmpeg?
[18:40] <bsch00> how are you controlling omxplayer, with dbus?
[18:40] <blockh34d> bsch00: i probably should but no i use pexpect
[18:40] <blockh34d> and python
[18:40] <blockh34d> app is named 'scamp' in py store btw, have a look
[18:40] <bsch00> that does the trick. a bit difficult to get media position and to seek to a specific position, but works
[18:40] <blockh34d> yeah i sorted all that out
[18:41] <blockh34d> also now i can control up to three omxplayers at once
[18:41] <blockh34d> kinda fun
[18:41] <bsch00> cool, synced up audio clocks?
[18:41] <blockh34d> no but thats not too far off
[18:41] <bsch00> nice
[18:41] <blockh34d> for now i just use it so i can watch a movie while i listen to music and watch a video stream in a smaller window
[18:41] <blockh34d> its kinda unlikely usage scenario but it is supported
[18:42] <blockh34d> i should figure out dbus better
[18:42] <bsch00> definitely has applications, doorbell rings and video stream pops up kinda stuff
[18:42] <blockh34d> i think i basically made my own dbus? not sure
[18:42] <blockh34d> basically i create little txt files in /tmp folder
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[18:42] <blockh34d> and any of my app's instances can control any of the other instances through those files
[18:43] <blockh34d> soon they'll be doing that through the network but for now its just to manage multiple instances
[18:43] <bsch00> so you just hacked at the omxplayer code to parse them?
[18:43] <blockh34d> i havent actually dug into the omxplayer code at all yet
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[18:43] <blockh34d> what i'm doing still uses the stock basic omxplayer
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[18:44] <blockh34d> i keep thinking about hacking together my own semi-custom omxplayer but if i could avoid that i think i'd rather
[18:44] <bsch00> oh, so you have a layer wrapping it that starts and stops instances sending them the right parameters and all that jazz
[18:44] <blockh34d> keep it simple right
[18:44] <blockh34d> right
[18:44] <bsch00> advantage of using dbus is that you can modify properties during run-time
[18:44] <blockh34d> soon i'll use that to manage the omxplayer window too
[18:44] <blockh34d> for running the video in a window
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[18:45] <blockh34d> yah i should find out more about dbus
[18:45] <blockh34d> can you explain it a little maybe?
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[18:45] <blockh34d> its a big fuzzy unknown to me atm
[18:45] <bsch00> basically omxplayer is listening for commands, similar to how it accepts keyboard commands
[18:45] <blockh34d> how is it best used? What is the 'hello world' of dbus usage?
[18:45] <bsch00> they can have arbitrary arguments, and possibly return values
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[18:46] <bsch00> if you clone the omxplayer master off github, there's a dbuscontrol.sh in there that has some very simple examples of what it can do
[18:46] <blockh34d> ok maybe i'll do that later
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[18:46] <blockh34d> running kinda low on space on this pi
[18:46] <bsch00> you can send commands to a running omxplayer, telling it to resize the video window, play, pause, seek, whatever
[18:47] <blockh34d> yah i bet the way i'm doing it now is comically over complicated by comparison
[18:47] <blockh34d> i just kill off the old omxplayer and start a new one with new parameters
[18:47] <bsch00> perhaps, but I'm sure you know the ins and outs very well
[18:47] <blockh34d> its getting there
[18:47] <blockh34d> finally got a nice usable app i think, for me anyways
[18:48] <blockh34d> scans in 2000+ songs from 150+ folders in 2 seconds or less
[18:48] <blockh34d> good enough for me
[18:48] <bsch00> cool
[18:48] <blockh34d> thats the first time too, once its got that list saved off its much faster, naturally
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[18:48] <blockh34d> hey maybe you could give it a try, see if any improvements come to mind?
[18:49] <blockh34d> its not really open source yet but i've always given the code away to anyone that wants it so i could give you a copy if you'd like to have a look
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[18:50] <bsch00> thanks but no thanks, if you have questions about how omxplayer can be controlled with dbus I can help you out a bit but I'm kinda tied up at the moment
[18:50] <blockh34d> sure , thanks
[18:50] <blockh34d> i hope to get popcorn time working with it soon
[18:50] <blockh34d> maybe its own qbittorrent implementation, baked into the app as a plugin
[18:51] <bsch00> oh cool, that'd be useful
[18:51] <blockh34d> yah i think so too
[18:51] <blockh34d> i also want to do this other thing, its silly but sounds fun
[18:51] <blockh34d> links irc up to the media player
[18:51] <blockh34d> so people in the same chan are watching the same stuff synced to approx same time
[18:51] <blockh34d> so we could, sorta, watch tv together
[18:52] <blockh34d> its kinda dumb but i dunno, might be fun
[18:52] <bsch00> that'd be deadly, I've been thinking of that too, an iphone app controlling the tv where you could do chat at the same time
[18:52] <bsch00> the real social media, lol
[18:52] <blockh34d> i think itd be nice ot have kind of a gang of friends
[18:52] <IT_Sean> /clear
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[18:53] <blockh34d> as is i watch stuff at home and it feels a little too isolated
[18:53] <bsch00> watching tv together is a huge family bonding experience, recreating that with isolated locations, totally
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[18:53] <blockh34d> hey great maybe i'll prioritize that one a little higher then
[18:53] <blockh34d> i've been thinking of it as kinda silly but it does sound nice
[18:54] <blockh34d> what do you think about gpio based control?
[18:54] <blockh34d> thats another thing i've been considering
[18:54] <bsch00> for input or output?
[18:54] <blockh34d> for some sort of button-panel
[18:54] <blockh34d> input mostly
[18:54] <blockh34d> maybe a little output
[18:54] <bsch00> those are fun to play with
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[18:55] <bsch00> you can get a 3x4 button matrix and hook it up, read numbers from it
[18:55] <blockh34d> yah i dunno what i'd use it for but it seems like maybe it'd come in handy
[18:55] <bsch00> I did more with the output side of things, wired up a string of color-controllable leds that synced up to the music
[18:55] <blockh34d> yah maybe could use it to manage playlist while somethings already playing, without messing with whats playing
[18:55] <blockh34d> oh neat, i want to do something like that eventually for totally different project
[18:55] <blockh34d> hey on that subject, what if i wanted a suit of LEDs
[18:56] <blockh34d> and i wanted to change them all to specific values as often as possible
[18:56] <blockh34d> how fast do you think i could realistically get those updating?
[18:56] <blockh34d> they might all have different color values
[18:56] <bsch00> you need a PWM controller for that generally, you can't toggle the brightness quick enough in software
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[18:57] <bsch00> the string I have, there's a python library but you just pump it out 25 RGB color values and it sets each led to the proper color. I update that 30 Hz
[18:57] <blockh34d> hmm yah that might complicate matters
[18:57] <blockh34d> is that the fastest you could get it to update or you think maybe 60fps is plausible?
[18:58] <blockh34d> its funny sounding but i've got some ideas for a 'predator camo' style suit
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[18:58] <bsch00> it's plausible, that's where I stopped because it seemed smooth enough and was using a pretty good chunk of cpu
[18:58] <blockh34d> if the host computer can know of your environment well enough, i think its possible
[18:58] <bsch00> that'd be cool
[18:58] <blockh34d> yah limited in usage but maybe good for some stuff
[18:59] <blockh34d> fun at a rave if nothing else
[18:59] <bsch00> that's how all good ideas start
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[18:59] <blockh34d> heh
[18:59] <blockh34d> hey thanks for the input i appreciate it
[18:59] <bsch00> I built so much junk that I thought was useless and ended up selling to clients later on
[18:59] <blockh34d> maybe if i make some progress with dbus stuff i'll run it past you
[18:59] <blockh34d> nice
[18:59] <blockh34d> i probably wouldnt sell predator camo even if it worked great
[19:00] <blockh34d> thats something to give away to everyone i think
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[19:11] <blockh34d> anyone here use the pi store much? mind testing something for me? i need a user to test out my apps install with
[19:11] <blockh34d> i've already released it and confirmed with other users but now i've put a giant update out there and i'd feel better about it if i knew random person had tried it and the install went without problems
[19:11] <blockh34d> if anyone wuld care to give it a shot, its 'scamp' in pi store. Thanks!
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[19:14] <RobUn> plop
[19:15] <blockh34d> fizz
[19:15] <IT_Sean>
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[19:57] <RobUn> Salut tout le monde ! j'avais une petite question : je suis sous raspbian et j'utiliser mocp en lecteur audio cependnat je suis obliger de le lancer en sudo/root alors que sur mon debina desktop pas besoin. Avez-vous des idées d'ou cela pourrait venir?
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[19:58] <MY123> RobUn: This channel is in English. http://tiny.cc/h7za1w . Thanks.
[19:58] <MY123> RobUn: Ce canal est en anglais.
[19:59] <gordonDrogon> Mon a�roglisseur est plein d'anguilles
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[20:01] <RobUn> ok sorry
[20:01] <MY123> gordonDrogon: Your French is not really valid. A skateboard can't really contains eels.
[20:01] <gordonDrogon> MY123, hovercraft?
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[20:02] <RobUn> i use raspi
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[20:04] <MY123> gordonDrogon: Oops. My English dictionnary has failed a little. hovercraft: a vehicle or craft that travels over land or water on a cushion of air provided by a downward blast. A design was first patented by Christopher Cockerell (1910–99) in 1955.
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[20:05] <gordonDrogon> MY123, yea :) my French is rubbish, but I guess a literal translation might be aero glider?
[20:06] <gordonDrogon> RobUn, use google translate - we'll probably get the idea.
[20:06] * IT_Sean adds "Occasionally full of eels" to that definition.
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[20:06] <IT_Sean> RobUn, http://translate.google.com
[20:07] <tac_> hey all
[20:07] <gordonDrogon> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G6D1YI-41ao
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[20:07] <tac_> From what I've seen, most GPIO tutorials use some python library to access the pins... but if I wanted to access them in a language that's NOT python...
[20:07] <tac_> is there a C lib for grabbing the pins or something?
[20:08] <RobUn> i use raspbian on my raspberrypi. I use MOCP as mp3 player but i can use mocp only as sudo/root, while i can use mocp as normal user on my debian desktop
[20:08] <MY123> tac_ : Doesn't know. I'm a bare metal VideoCore folk.
[20:09] <MY123> tac_: Can help you with registers and mmap.
[20:09] <RobUn> thanks but i speak a little english :)
[20:09] <tac_> most likely not :(
[20:09] <gordonDrogon> tac_, wiringPi fom Linux land: http://wiringpi.com/
[20:09] <tac_> thanks gordonDrogon
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[20:10] <Nikon> yoooo
[20:10] <MY123> RobUn: Is your MOCP user in the audio group?
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[20:11] <RobUn> MY123: i have no user MOCP
[20:12] <pksato> RobUn: type id cmd on shell of normal user.
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[20:12] <MY123> RobUn: I'm speaking about the user MOCP is running on.
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[20:12] <pksato> and, result list audio group?
[20:12] <RobUn> MY123: ok
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[20:15] <RobUn> MY123: OMG i'm so stupid ...
[20:15] <RobUn> thanks it work
[20:17] <MY123> RobUn: No problem. Some easy modifications can change a lot. Also, you could chmod 666 /dev/amixer and a few other things.
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[20:17] <RobUn> why chmod /dev/amixer?
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[20:18] <blockh34d> RobUn: if you're on raspbian and you're playing media, maybe you wouldnt mind helping me test out my media player UI app's deployment?
[20:18] <blockh34d> i just rolled out a sizable update and now i'd like to find people to install it and make sure it goes well
[20:18] <blockh34d> its 'scamp' in the pi store
[20:18] <MY123> RobUn: You could do that , they are 3 ways, now that it works, you should not try the other ways.
[20:19] <MY123> blockh34d: Has it Indiecity DRM ?
[20:19] <pksato> chmod not work on udev systems.
[20:19] <blockh34d> MY123: no DRM on indiecity that i know of
[20:19] <blockh34d> MY123: my app is 100% free anyways, there is nothing like that in there that i put in or know of or would ever allow.
[20:20] <RobUn> MY123: when i use mocp i can manage volume directly i have to use alsamixer any idea?
[20:20] <blockh34d> MY123: but speaking of invasive, why are you CTCP versioning people when they join the chan?
[20:21] <MY123> blockh34d: Not mine , but a keyboard shortcut problem in my client.
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[20:22] <blockh34d> RobUn: screenshot of my app: http://assets.indiecity.com/64f59fdc-56fd-4243-9a7b-4ffb7d7f3cc4/screenshot_1405891793.png
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[20:23] <RobUn> blockh34d: yes i have read this http://store.raspberrypi.com/projects/scamp
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[20:23] <RobUn> blockh34d: yes i have read this http://store.raspberrypi.com/projects/scamp
[20:23] <RobUn> sorry
[20:23] <blockh34d> RobUn: oh ok great. well if you care to give it a try, please let me know how it goes eh?
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[20:23] <blockh34d> i just released a big update and i'd like to know for sure its issue-free
[20:24] <MY123> Crtl-F send automatically a CTCP version to the latest poster in the channel in my client. Was a mistake.
[20:24] <RobUn> what difference between your app and mocp?
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[20:25] <blockh34d> RobUn: i havent tried mocp so i couldnt say. Does mocp allow up to three simultaneous instances playing at once? that might be one difference righ tthere
[20:25] <blockh34d> RobUn: also mine can map folders to playlists and playlists to tabs, so you can have seperate archive folders mapped to different tabs, no problem
[20:25] <blockh34d> also it can rescan those folders pretty simple, one click etc
[20:27] <blockh34d> MOC looks very nice, i totally approve of its
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[20:27] <blockh34d> i think i like my UI just a little more though
[20:27] <MY123> https://www.irccloud.com/pastebin/UC8j1tXx
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[20:27] <blockh34d> also scamp plays video
[20:27] <RobUn> ok i will try your app when i have some time
[20:28] <MY123> blockh34d: Why is your license so restrictive and doesn't care too much about privacy? Its text above.
[20:28] <blockh34d> RobUn: hey cool, well if any proplems installing, suggestions, or bug reports please let me know asap we'll sort it out.
[20:28] <blockh34d> MY123: my license is the default Pi Store license
[20:28] <RobUn> ok no problem
[20:28] <blockh34d> i didnt change it at all
[20:29] <RobUn> but anybody as an idea about the mange of the volume in mocp with < and >
[20:29] <MY123> blockh34d: You could use your custom license. The default Pi Store one makes me angry.
[20:29] <blockh34d> MY123: maybe i like making you angry
[20:31] <MY123> gordonDrogon: Is that normal : You attempted to reach store.raspberrypi.com, but the server presented an expired certificate. No information is available to indicate whether that certificate has been compromised since its expiration. This means Google Chrome cannot guarantee that you are communicating with store.raspberrypi.com and not an attacker. Your
[20:31] <MY123> computer's clock is currently set to Wednesday, July 23, 2014 7:30:37 PM. Does that look right? If not, you should correct the error and refresh this page.
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[20:32] <MY123> blockh34d: Another reason to don't trust Pi Store.
[20:32] <blockh34d> lol silly imo
[20:32] <blockh34d> nothing wrong with pi store other than it requires X to run, which is annoying
[20:32] <blockh34d> and even that... i think they have a cli client i just havent figured it out yet
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[20:33] <blockh34d> i think pi store is actually pretty cool
[20:33] <MY123> blockh34d: The security certificate is not updated so no paid apps should be bought.
[20:33] <blockh34d> a good option for people that dont feel like typing a short book just to get blahblah installed
[20:34] <MY123> blockh34d: The certificate for protecting communications has expired 13.06.2014.
[20:34] <blockh34d> MY123: good thing my app is free, has always been free, will always be free then
[20:34] <blockh34d> oh no what is that, a week ago?
[20:34] <blockh34d> cut em some slack
[20:35] <blockh34d> maybe you'd like to make a better replacement for pi store?
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[20:35] <blockh34d> let me know when you're done i'll submit the first app
[20:35] <blockh34d> ok i guess its a month ago, whatever
[20:35] <blockh34d> still not concerned about it lol
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[20:37] <MY123> IT_Sean: Is it normal that the Pi Store SSL certificate has expired at 13.06.2014 and was not updated ?
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[20:37] <blockh34d> MY123: #indiecity would be a better place to file that report i think
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[20:39] <blockh34d> i think it'd be nice if you werent so mean about the pi store with them though, i know for a fact they put a tremendous amount of effort into it, even if its not perfect
[20:41] <MY123> blockh34d: Anyone is there. They are all away now. This is a big flaw and they had a full month to correct it. Go to: https://store.raspberrypi.com/ to see the problem.
[20:42] <blockh34d> convo from earlier today on pi forums: some guy: 'hey your app looks cool how do i install it?' -> 'run pistore, install scamp, done' -> 'no i don't like to use pistore, too many weird files, how else' -> 'ok download this file, run install.sh, make sure everything in install.sh happens, however it works out with your install' -> 'omg too hard! isnt there an easier way?' -> 'yes. Pi Store'
[20:43] <blockh34d> MY123: not a big problem for me. Free app.
[20:43] <blockh34d> indiecity is on vacation though
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[20:43] <blockh34d> i'll try to let them know next time i see activity in th echan that they need to renew their ssl cert
[20:44] <tanuva> what kind of 'weird files' is that person talking about?
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[20:44] <blockh34d> tanuva: i guess something in /usr/bin/indiecity, something like that?
[20:44] <blockh34d> i think they're crying about the uninstall scripts maybe? i dunno
[20:45] <tanuva> woa. I wish some of that osx software had uninstall scripts.
[20:45] <blockh34d> i am actually getting a little tired of people trashing pi store all the time
[20:45] <blockh34d> i think its pretty nice! better than nothiing
[20:45] <blockh34d> and if i had to get an app on apples app store it definately would have 1) taken longer 2) cost money 3) been arbitraurily denied for unstated reasons
[20:46] <tanuva> possibly
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[20:46] <blockh34d> yah i'm kinda pessimist with apple products
[20:46] <tanuva> and I uneducatedly guess that getting something into the pi store is somewhat easier than creating a debian package
[20:46] <blockh34d> tanuva: i am fairly certain of that
[20:47] <blockh34d> so its a nice, easy, accessible way for me to give my app away to people
[20:47] <blockh34d> which is really all i was trying to accomplish
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[20:47] <blockh34d> cracks me up when people got gripes about how i do that
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[20:47] <lennard> anyone know what the following 2 lines in dmesg do? because I have a feeling they are related to my pi 'arbitrarily' powering up without some of its usb devices incl. networking:
[20:47] <lennard> Init: Port Power? op_state=1
[20:48] <lennard> Init: Power Port (0)
[20:48] <blockh34d> lennard: oh is that proper spelling of arbiwhatever?
[20:48] <blockh34d> i'm such a horrible speller. thanks
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[20:48] <lennard> it looks right to me, however I'm not a native speaker :)
[20:49] <blockh34d> lennard: probably better than half of america, or more
[20:49] <blockh34d> lennard: whats your native language? i'm translating my app
[20:49] <lennard> dutch
[20:49] <blockh34d> so far just english and russian but soon anything i can get unicode to display
[20:49] <blockh34d> ah ok... everyone i've talked to from that neck of the woods seems to prefer english apps anyways
[20:50] <lennard> sounds about right :)
[20:50] <blockh34d> how ab out you lennard, would you rather use an app in english or the same app (poorly) translated into dutch?
[20:50] <lennard> untill you talk to someone over 40 or 50 or something
[20:50] <blockh34d> yah i bet
[20:50] <lennard> english
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[20:50] <blockh34d> i think people that speak dutch almost always speak english, and probably better than me
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[20:51] <blockh34d> noted, thanks
[20:51] <lennard> well we do have our education system going for us on that subject at least :)
[20:51] <blockh34d> lennard: yeah our school system over here is one big trap
[20:51] <blockh34d> i learned how to punch people in the throat
[20:51] <tanuva> I don't really care if English or German as long as the translation is fine. But blockh34d, as the Pi is kinda targeted at children, good translations might be worth the effort
[20:51] <lennard> oh I don't agree with ours at all. But we do get english at a relatively early age and for a long time
[20:52] <blockh34d> tanuva: yes thanks i've thought similar. also i find it a little, i dunno, 'racist' that apps are just expected to be in english
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[20:52] <Armand> Wow.. Convo tangent.
[20:52] <blockh34d> so i hope to come up with an app deployment process that is as multi-lingual as i can possibly arrange
[20:53] <lennard> you could look into crowd translations on crowdin.net
[20:53] <blockh34d> and since it doesnt use any graphics at all, thats fairly simple to implement
[20:53] <blockh34d> lennard: i will thanks. so far crowdsourcing is my plan
[20:53] <blockh34d> the #russian chatroom was very helpful getting the app translated to russian
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[20:54] <blockh34d> i use external string tables so its pretty simple to put whatever you want on any of the buttons
[20:54] <lennard> I have no experience with it myself, but I've come across it quite a few times at projects and its supposed to be free for open source/academic
[20:54] <blockh34d> ah well i'm not open source yet
[20:54] <blockh34d> someday, yes, now, no
[20:54] <lennard> ah, that might put a damper on things
[20:55] <blockh34d> seems to be agravating other media player UI programmers
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[20:55] <blockh34d> 'i refuse to use your app if its not open source!' -> 'ok, great. Cya'
[20:55] <lennard> *shrug*
[20:56] <blockh34d> i do find FOSS to be a better way, all around
[20:56] <blockh34d> but at first, i prefer to keep it to myself, let me get a good solid plan established
[20:56] <blockh34d> then we'll get more fingers in the pie
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[20:56] <lennard> open source doesn't *have* to mean you accept other developers. but I guess its easier getting started source
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[20:57] <lennard> err, closed*
[20:57] <blockh34d> yeah closed source doesnt mean i dont give the code away either
[20:57] <tanuva> I tend to throw my code at github at the point when I decide I need versioning, so that "open source" thing comes naturally
[20:57] <blockh34d> i give the code away to anyone that asks for it and i always have
[20:57] <blockh34d> but 'for educational purposes only'
[20:57] <lennard> I refuse to believe the world is not black and white! :P
[20:57] <blockh34d> my email is 'greyworld'
[20:58] <blockh34d> so i guess we're in different worlds ;)
[20:58] <blockh34d> greyworld@gmail btw
[20:58] <blockh34d> go ahead and spam me i dont care
[20:58] <blockh34d> not said to lennard , said to whatever random script finds that email in the irc logs, years from now
[20:59] <lennard> hehe
[20:59] <tanuva> you have a pretty powerful spam filter there anyway
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[20:59] <blockh34d> tanuva: pretty much unstopable
[20:59] <blockh34d> tanuva: i think i've gotten two spams in as many years and i never guard my email that closely
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[21:02] <blockh34d> still hoping to find someone 'ok' with pistore to test install my app. if someone sees this and gives it a shot please message me with the results, thanks.
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[21:02] <sine0> does the b+ come with the full ram enabled
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[21:02] <blockh34d> havent tried b+ yet
[21:02] <ShorTie> ya
[21:02] <blockh34d> seems kinda unthinkable that it wouldnt use all the ram though
[21:03] <IT_Sean> Not sure what you mean by "with the full ram enabled"
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[21:03] <ShorTie> never heard of disabled ram
[21:03] <blockh34d> maybe gpu split is what they're referring to?
[21:03] <Armand> sine0: You can adjust the amount of RAM assigned to GPU.
[21:05] <sine0> armand. i read a tute which said upgrading firmware to enable more ram
[21:05] <Armand> Huumm
[21:05] <blockh34d> sine0: do you have a link to this?
[21:06] <blockh34d> sine0: it sounds kinda questionable to me but maybe i'm just paranoid
[21:06] <sine0> is the b+ allready updated. im running raspbian and it will be ssh command only. no videos or hdmi
[21:06] <pksato> more ram to cpu?
[21:06] <pksato> like zero to gpu?
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[21:06] <ShorTie> sure it wasn't about the compute module, not the B+ ??
[21:06] <blockh34d> sine0: you could lower your gpu ram split quite a bit then
[21:06] <sine0> http://www.dingleberrypi.com/2012/10/tutorial-enable-512mb-ram-on-raspberry-pi-with-firmware-update/
[21:06] <MY123> sine0: If you want 511M of RAM to Linux, then wait a few months (it is the Freeblob project goal).
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[21:07] <ShorTie> that is like 2 years old dude
[21:07] <MY123> sine0: Too old and unapplicable now. -> History
[21:07] <pksato> ah... to 256MB verstion to 512MB update.
[21:07] <sine0> ok
[21:08] <sine0> im doing the raspbian-config and the memory split to allocate more to system. howevr there is no presets and i have to manually eneter the ram
[21:08] <sine0> so i wondered how much was actually available. i should have checked how much raspbian was showing..
[21:08] <gordonDrogon> MY123, catching up - it means the certificate issues by the issuing cartel has expired - it does not mean that the connection to the site is insecure.
[21:09] <Armand> sine0: 2012??? Seriously ?
[21:09] <blockh34d> sine0: if you're only commandline i think you could set it very low... 16mb, easily, maybe 8 or 4? not super sure what the valid lowest number is
[21:09] <blockh34d> sine0: but even in command line mode, certain resolutions will require at least some basic amount of ram
[21:10] <blockh34d> i think 16 is the lowest realistic number that still supports most HD resolutions
[21:10] <MY123> blockh34d: Technically, you can have 511M of RAM to Linux if you forget all VC to ARM communication. It will be a great PoC (but useless). start_cd.elf needs 16M of RAM.
[21:10] <blockh34d> MY123: thanks
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[21:11] <MY123> gordonDrogon: But I don't trust the connection now.
[21:11] <gordonDrogon> MY123, that's your choice.
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[21:17] <MY123> blockh34d: It should be noted that the VideoCore can be used at a general-purpose CPU. Powering off it is a loss of processing power (including no video, no low power 3D,...)
[21:18] <blockh34d> MY123: k. Yeah those QPU's are pretty neat looking.
[21:18] <blockh34d> i plan to use them to do some basic CV at some point
[21:18] <MY123> blockh3
[21:19] * blockh34d waits
[21:19] <MY123> blockh34d: I'm talking about the VPU which manages HDMI output, video decoding, HDCP, Trusted Computing(disabled on a Pi)...
[21:20] <blockh34d> yeah i'm talking about teh QPU's
[21:20] <blockh34d> 192 of them in the GPU
[21:20] <blockh34d> can be used for general purpose computing
[21:20] <blockh34d> kinda like CUDA i guess
[21:20] * sutty\away is now known as sutty
[21:21] <MY123> blockh34d: There is 12 QPUs , 2 VPUs and 1 Israel-DSP which is Broadcom Confidential.
[21:21] <MY123> *Not forgetting the ARM
[21:21] <pksato> http://www.xodustech.com/projects/raspberry-pi-gameboy-pocket
[21:21] <blockh34d> my review of the gpu specs make me think your qpu count is way off
[21:21] <blockh34d> clever: you around? how many qpu's does the gpu have?
[21:22] <MY123> blockh34d: There is 12QPUs , which are 4way SIMD, multiplexed 4 times.
[21:23] <blockh34d> oh i gues so
[21:23] <blockh34d> i wonder wher ei got 192 from
[21:23] <MY123> blockh34d: http://www.broadcom.com/docs/support/videocore/VideoCoreIV-AG100-R.pdf : The maximal possible cores are 16.
[21:23] <blockh34d> something in the gpu spec put that number in my head
[21:24] <MY123> blockh34d: Ah. That is the Nvidia Tegra K1, unrelated. (192 cores).
[21:25] <blockh34d> MY123: i dunno, i was reading the broadcom GPU docs and i swear, 192 is some sorta repeated termin there, but its been a long time and i've never done 1 single thing with those qpu's anyways
[21:25] <pksato> or/and https://superpiboy.wordpress.com/
[21:25] <blockh34d> pksato: neat
[21:25] <blockh34d> pksato: did you see bill hecks emulator pi? pretty slick the way he packaged it all up
[21:25] <blockh34d> bill heck? ben heck? horrible with names
[21:26] <MY123> blockh34d: 8192(bytes) not 192.
[21:27] <blockh34d> MY123: are you a developer? what are some of your projects?
[21:28] <MY123> blockh34d: My current project is github,com/freeblob/freeblob . Reverse-enginnering inside(TM).
[21:29] <blockh34d> cool thanks
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[21:29] <blockh34d> 'reverse engineering inside' sounds funny, i think you should find a catchier catch-phrase ;)
[21:30] <blockh34d> i'm going to go with something like 'Hobosoft - Made with the power of homeless people' or something like that
[21:30] <blockh34d> since i was homeless for years until fairly recently
[21:30] <clever> blockh34d: the 4 way multiplexing is actualy a neat trick to deal with the lenght of the pipeline
[21:31] <blockh34d> clever: yes i bet so... that'd mean more to me if i actually understood whats going on under the hood, but until then i will smile and nod
[21:31] <clever> blockh34d: basicaly, due to the size of the pipeline, you cant use a value until 4 clocks after that instruction has ran
[21:31] <clever> so they cheat, and run 4 different tasks, 123412341234 in the same pipeline
[21:31] <blockh34d> clever: ah yeah i think i'm encountering that delay with some of my opengl apps
[21:31] <clever> all operating on the same code (so they share a program counter register)
[21:31] <clever> so 2 instructions within your program, run 4 clocks apart, meeting the needs of the long pipeline
[21:32] <clever> and the 3 'wasted' clocks in the middle, are spent running the same program on 3 other pixels
[21:32] <blockh34d> i see
[21:32] <blockh34d> hey thanks
[21:32] <blockh34d> makes a little more sense now
[21:32] <clever> and there are 4 of those pipelines in a qpu
[21:33] <clever> so its able to render 16 pixels at once, while sharing a single program and PC register
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[21:33] <blockh34d> neat
[21:33] <clever> then 4 QPU's are grouped up, and share the instruction decode logic
[21:33] <clever> and they each take turns with it
[21:34] <clever> 4 of them can perfectly share a single decode block
[21:34] <clever> because the instruction its running only changes once every 4 clock cycles
[21:34] <pixels> interesting
[21:34] <clever> so each group of 4 QPU's is tightly inter-connected and heavily reusing eachothers hardware
[21:34] <clever> and the pi has 12, so its 3 blocks of 4, each with 4 pipelines, multiplexed 4 times
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[21:37] <blockh34d> 3 * 4 * 4 * 4 = 192, i think thats where that 192 number came from, in my head
[21:37] <blockh34d> so i think i was way off in my understanding of that
[21:38] <clever> so it can basicaly process 192 pixels in parallel, best posible case
[21:38] <clever> but each of those pixels only moved one instruction every 4 clock cycles
[21:38] <clever> so its 192/4 pixels per clock i think
[21:38] <blockh34d> effecient
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[21:39] <clever> so 48 instructions per clock
[21:39] * pixels turns highlight noise off
[21:39] <clever> then add in the size of your shader, and it drops some more
[21:39] <clever> then multiply by clock rate
[21:39] <clever> pixels: heh, oops
[21:39] <pixels> it's ok
[21:39] <clever> my client only makes noise if the name is at the very start
[21:39] <blockh34d> who's the noise?
[21:40] <blockh34d> oh i see
[21:40] <blockh34d> we're saying 'pixels'
[21:40] <clever> yep
[21:40] <clever> it happens to me on ocasion too, thats what happens when your name is in a dictionary
[21:40] <blockh34d> i bet
[21:40] <blockh34d> i wish i knew why my blinking led circuit isnt blinking
[21:40] <blockh34d> it used to
[21:41] <clever> some of the qpu instructions will also stall on the ram
[21:41] <blockh34d> then i tried taking it apart, putting it back together, now it doesnt blink
[21:41] <clever> which will lower performance more
[21:41] <clever> but the qpu has its own L2 cache i think
[21:41] <blockh34d> clever: i'm very close to making a type of circuit board you can print out with 3d printers
[21:42] <clever> neat
[21:42] <blockh34d> i'm basically an idiot at electronics so its kinda funny that i'd be making that happen but there it is anyways
[21:42] <blockh34d> so now i'm looking for good demo circuits
[21:42] <blockh34d> i figured 'blinking led' is basically the hello world of circuits
[21:43] <clever> blockh34d: let me show you what i did yesterday
[21:43] <blockh34d> k
[21:43] <clever> blockh34d: https://www.dropbox.com/s/8nodg862r79nvz3/PIC_0026.JPG
[21:43] <blockh34d> haha hacky
[21:44] <blockh34d> i love how you used smd chips on non-smd proto board
[21:44] <blockh34d> hackarific
[21:44] <clever> currently, its giving zero output, but i think its because i left out the filter cap for the PLL
[21:44] <clever> and now the box of caps has vanished
[21:44] <blockh34d> i think its because half of those pins are shorting to each other
[21:44] <blockh34d> wouldnt that be a problem?
[21:44] <clever> its up-side-down
[21:44] <blockh34d> oh ok
[21:44] <clever> all the pins are sticking up in the air
[21:44] <clever> dead-bug style
[21:44] <blockh34d> well that makes more sense then
[21:45] <blockh34d> what is that?
[21:45] <clever> thats the name of this style
[21:45] <blockh34d> dead bug?
[21:45] <clever> the legs are sticking up in the air, like a dead bug
[21:45] <blockh34d> lol cool
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[21:45] <blockh34d> https://www.dropbox.com/s/8nodg862r79nvz3/PIC_0026.JPG <- the latest from me
[21:46] <blockh34d> although doing a bunch of neat stuff with 3d printers too
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[21:46] <blockh34d> clever: do you have access to a 3d printer?
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[21:46] <ThursDave> Hi folks
[21:46] <blockh34d> err
[21:46] <blockh34d> thats not me
[21:46] <blockh34d> http://assets.indiecity.com/64f59fdc-56fd-4243-9a7b-4ffb7d7f3cc4/screenshot_1405891793.png that is
[21:46] <blockh34d> luakit has such goofy copy/paste... gets me every time
[21:47] <clever> blockh34d: no 3d printer here
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[21:47] <blockh34d> clever: well if you can ever work it into the budget i bet you'd dig it
[21:47] <ShorTie> you can get breakout boards for those smd chips
[21:47] <blockh34d> i found a kit for $550 usd or so, pretty decent
[21:48] <clever> blockh34d: i could probly afford one, but id rather wait until i had a good reason to actualy get one
[21:48] <blockh34d> clever: yah thats probably a good idea, they'll just keep getting better and cheaper, why rush
[21:48] <ThursDave> I want a laser cutter more than a 3d printer, tbh
[21:49] <blockh34d> clever: my visual arts background makes it a higher priority item for me
[21:49] <clever> ShorTie: i forgot to grab one, didnt think sparkfun had them
[21:49] <blockh34d> ThursDave: yeah that would be really nice
[21:49] <blockh34d> or highpressure water
[21:50] <clever> ShorTie: the more surprising part, the chips came in a moisture proof bag, with 3 packs of desicant
[21:50] <clever> its currently 56% humidity indoors
[21:50] <ThursDave> blockh34d: laser would be cleaner
[21:50] <ThursDave> and marginally less dangerous ;)
[21:50] <blockh34d> ThursDave: yes but water can cut armor plate
[21:50] <ThursDave> water can cut nearly anything
[21:51] <blockh34d> yup
[21:51] <ThursDave> and as such, if freaking *terrfies* me
[21:51] <blockh34d> safety be damned
[21:51] <blockh34d> well
[21:51] <blockh34d> i take that back
[21:51] <ThursDave> lasers can cut nearly anything* with enough time and power
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[21:51] <blockh34d> thats just a dumb thing to say
[21:51] <blockh34d> come back safety... i did nt mean it
[21:51] <clever> lasers may have trouble with clear or reflective things
[21:51] <IT_Sean> But... lasers are AWESOME!
[21:51] <clever> try cutting a mirror in a laser cutter, face up!
[21:51] <ThursDave> clever: yeah, probably, i gess
[21:51] <ThursDave> that's why most reflective/transparent things have a clear covering
[21:52] <ThursDave> *covering
[21:52] * IT_Sean straps a frickin' laser beam to a frickin' shark
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[21:52] <clever> IT_Sean: :D
[21:52] <ThursDave> IT_Sean: NO! BAD Sean! Bad!
[21:52] <blockh34d> IT_Sean: thats true, seen the myth busters where they tried to popcorn with lasers? not as awesome as 'real genius' would suggest
[21:52] <clever> IT_Sean: but how will the shark be able to laser cut tiny shapes with accuracy?
[21:52] * ThursDave thwips IT_Sean on the nose with a rolled up newspaper
[21:52] <IT_Sean> ow!
[21:52] <blockh34d> IT_Sean: master shake on ATHF spoke of a 'laser feet' upgrade... sounds good to me
[21:53] <blockh34d> i think lasers sound more unsafe to me
[21:53] <blockh34d> secondaries are no joke
[21:54] <blockh34d> 'hey i'm fine, everythings cool, everythings fine... OMG I'm permanently blind now!'
[21:54] <blockh34d> but i guess they dont explode quite as violently
[21:54] <clever> blockh34d: thats why the entire box of the laser cutter is sealed, and the window blocks the key wavelength
[21:55] <clever> blockh34d: ever seen that photon induction video where he burned holes in the curtains, couch, and tv stand?
[21:55] <ThursDave> pfft
[21:55] <ThursDave> only noobs leave the safety gear in place
[21:56] <blockh34d> ThursDave: Safety Squint ftw! lol
[21:56] <blockh34d> 'squint for safety'
[21:56] <clever> 'warning, do not look into laser with remaining eye'
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[21:57] <blockh34d> clever: so whats that chip about?
[21:57] <clever> blockh34d: http://youtu.be/EoLR2LzHO-M?t=6m19s
[21:57] <blockh34d> science? lasers?
[21:57] <clever> this is what you shouldnt do with lasers
[21:58] <clever> hole in the couch
[21:58] <clever> hole in the cussions
[21:58] <clever> hole in the curtains!
[21:58] <clever> in the walls
[21:58] <ShorTie> that is called the swiss cheese affect
[21:59] <clever> and he burned 3 spots into the decent camera
[22:00] <blockh34d> its ok
[22:00] <blockh34d> for science
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[22:00] <blockh34d> not really but its ok for someone else to turn their curtains into swiss cheese
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[22:02] <l_r> how much do those lasers cost
[22:02] <blockh34d> in money or damaged body parts?
[22:02] <ShorTie> use to take care of a laser used to weld 2 parts together, was preaty cool
[22:02] <l_r> money
[22:02] <blockh34d> no idea
[22:02] <blockh34d> green lasers not too much
[22:03] <l_r> yeah
[22:03] <l_r> red too
[22:03] <ThursDave> greens are cheap these days
[22:03] <blockh34d> yah but if you wanna do some dmage, gonna need an IR laser
[22:03] <blockh34d> the kinda that blinds everyone nearby with secondaries
[22:03] * IT_Sean points a laser at blockh34d and turns it on
[22:03] * blockh34d safety squints
[22:03] <ThursDave> blockh34d: I had a custom IR flashlight for a while
[22:04] <ThursDave> that shit was dangerous.
[22:04] <blockh34d> ThursDave: i need to make one for my no-ir camera-having HMD
[22:04] <blockh34d> for a light source
[22:04] <blockh34d> dangerous? how?
[22:04] <IT_Sean> ThursDave, careful with the language, please.
[22:04] <blockh34d> blinding hazard?
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[22:04] <ThursDave> it was a decent OSRAM IR LED being driven by about 14v
[22:05] <ThursDave> with a decent throwy reflector
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[22:05] <ThursDave> very very 'bright' IR light.
[22:05] <ThursDave> noticeably heated up my hands when i shone it on them
[22:05] <blockh34d> ThursDave: thats what i need for my hmd... is it harmful to unprotected eyes?
[22:05] <ThursDave> probably?
[22:05] <blockh34d> oh dang
[22:05] <blockh34d> yeah i guess so eh
[22:05] <blockh34d> lol
[22:06] <ThursDave> you'd be better off with a cheap incandescant torch and a decent IR filter
[22:06] <blockh34d> noted
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[22:06] <ThursDave> http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/SpiderFire-3W-IR-Infrared-Red-123A-X03-Torch-X03-IR-/270784509020?pt=UK_SportingGoods_Hunting_ShootingSports_ET&hash=item3f0c03b45c
[22:06] <ThursDave> or just something like that
[22:07] <blockh34d> cool, maybe i'll hack one into my formfactor sometime
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[22:07] <blockh34d> for now, its my day-vision goggles
[22:07] <blockh34d> they allow you to see in complete daylight, no problem.
[22:07] <ThursDave> :P
[22:07] <blockh34d> lol
[22:07] <ThursDave> wait
[22:08] <ThursDave> that actually could be useful
[22:08] <blockh34d> tis probably what mole people need to leave their caves
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[22:08] <ThursDave> does it work when you're blind?
[22:08] <blockh34d> how?
[22:08] <blockh34d> not yet
[22:08] <blockh34d> soon though i actually am working on something for blind people
[22:08] <ThursDave> I think most blind people would be happy with only seeing during the day :P
[22:08] <blockh34d> like a sonar headband
[22:08] <ThursDave> oh really
[22:08] <ThursDave> ?
[22:08] <blockh34d> yah
[22:08] <blockh34d> you need an array of depth sensors
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[22:08] <blockh34d> then an array of air bladders
[22:08] <blockh34d> and the closer something is in a direction, the more inflated the air bladder in that direction should get
[22:09] <blockh34d> to create light pressure on the skull in that directon
[22:09] <blockh34d> but maybe a belt would also be good
[22:09] <blockh34d> and vibrational output
[22:09] <ThursDave> probably more sociably acceptable :P
[22:09] <blockh34d> but the first idea sounds more SNG
[22:09] <blockh34d> which is cool
[22:09] <ThursDave> actually, vibrations would work really well
[22:09] <ThursDave> just get a standard car parking sensor kit
[22:09] <blockh34d> yah i think so too, more compact than toting around an air compressor
[22:09] <blockh34d> oh good idea
[22:09] <ThursDave> change the buzzer to a small vibrator motor
[22:10] <blockh34d> i was looking at those generic sonar modules but the range kinda sucks
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[22:10] <blockh34d> yah i wish i had the money to pursue all my ideas
[22:10] <blockh34d> i think i have some good ideas i just have a hard time making it all happen
[22:10] <ThursDave> you'd have to work out a way to get each channel to activate its own seperate vibrator
[22:10] <blockh34d> easy enough
[22:10] <ThursDave> but then just have one motor at NW, NE, SE and SW
[22:11] <blockh34d> seems like you'd need more than that, right?
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[22:11] <ThursDave> not really?
[22:11] <blockh34d> maybe you could elaborate
[22:11] <ThursDave> say you're walking towards a wall face on
[22:11] <blockh34d> k
[22:12] <ThursDave> the front two (NW and NE on your belt) would start to vibrate
[22:12] <blockh34d> how do you know its in front of you though
[22:12] <ThursDave> ...
[22:12] <ThursDave> becuase the vibrators vibrate.
[22:12] <blockh34d> and not two seperate things, one at ne, one at nw
[22:12] <ThursDave> ooh
[22:12] <ThursDave> well, yeah
[22:12] <ThursDave> thats a downside
[22:12] <blockh34d> i want people to be able to cross the road with this
[22:13] <blockh34d> unassisted
[22:13] <ThursDave> yeah, thats not gonna work :|
[22:13] <blockh34d> maybe good for somet stuff though
[22:13] <blockh34d> an early layer of filtered data maybe
[22:13] <ThursDave> yeah
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[22:13] <ThursDave> in addition to a cane i imagine it'd work really well
[22:13] <blockh34d> seen that one guys wireless cane?
[22:14] <blockh34d> he made the smartest blind-persons' cane i've ever seen
[22:14] <blockh34d> really impressive
[22:14] <ThursDave> nope.
[22:14] <blockh34d> you can talk to it, tell it where you want to go, and it guides you there after gps'ing the route with your phone
[22:14] <ThursDave> waaaaaaaaaat
[22:14] <ThursDave> thats crazy
[22:14] <blockh34d> ikr
[22:14] <blockh34d> dude did it just to do it too
[22:14] <blockh34d> which i think is awsome
[22:14] <ThursDave> IT_Sean: sorry about language, btw.
[22:14] <blockh34d> yeah i'm horrible about that too
[22:15] <blockh34d> imo keeping irc kidsafe is like herding cats. good luck.
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[22:16] <blockh34d> http://grathio.com/2011/08/meet-the-tacit-project-its-sonar-for-the-blind/comment-page-1/ not what i was talking about but it looks like someones already trying that sonar idea
[22:16] <blockh34d> good for them, i hope it works out great
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[22:17] <blockh34d> i can think of no better use of technology than helping the disabled get the most out of life
[22:17] <edjuh> hear hear
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[22:25] <ThursDave> Yep.
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[22:27] <clever> blockh34d: oh, got distracted
[22:27] <clever> blockh34d: the chip is to convert spdif to i2s audio
[22:27] <blockh34d> clever: that sounds pretty cool
[22:27] <ThursDave> heh, black tie: http://cyberoptix.com/blacktie.php
[22:27] <blockh34d> what are your plans with that?
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[22:28] <clever> blockh34d: 32 audio channel capture, over ethernet
[22:28] <clever> 96khz, 24bit
[22:28] <blockh34d> clever: wow, that'd be aweomse
[22:28] <clever> yeah
[22:28] <clever> i'm starting out small, just 1 channel to get the basics going
[22:28] <blockh34d> sounds like its pushing the envelope
[22:29] <blockh34d> how'd that work out?
[22:29] <clever> but i have enough parts for 3 spdif channels, 6 raw channels
[22:29] <clever> there is no capacitor on the pll filter pin
[22:29] <clever> so the pll isnt even firing up
[22:29] <blockh34d> clever: i've been thinking about trying to make the rpi into more a DJ's 'buddy' sort of thing
[22:29] <blockh34d> 32 track audio capture would certainly help that out
[22:30] <blockh34d> or is that not for rpi?
[22:30] <clever> part of the reason i'm going with ethernet is because usb latency is bad for serious audio work
[22:30] <clever> and the pi has ethernet over usb!
[22:30] <blockh34d> yes agreed
[22:30] <blockh34d> usb is not good enough
[22:30] <MY123> clever: JACK works fine with Linux on Raspberry PI.
[22:31] <clever> MY123: but the pi has no audio inputs
[22:31] <blockh34d> clever: lately what i'd like to do is get realtime vst processing working from live input
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[22:31] <clever> blockh34d: vst is one of my targets
[22:31] <MY123> clever: I'm talking about it with an USB sound card at 48KHz.
[22:31] <blockh34d> clever: sweet lemme know if you ever hit that mark, sounds great
[22:32] <clever> so you cant use a windows vst file on linux
[22:32] <clever> the main issue with vst is that the vst files are compiled against a certain os
[22:32] <MY123> clever: USB is now usable on a Pi.
[22:32] <clever> MY123: yeah, but you cant just jam 32 usb sound cards into a hub and expect it to work
[22:33] <MY123> clever: As you can't with I2S (limited to 50MHz as I know)
[22:33] <clever> i2s is limited to 2 channels
[22:33] <clever> but i plan to accept several i2s inputs in parallel
[22:33] <clever> and merge them into a custom protocol on ethernet
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[22:33] <blockh34d> clever: how could you ever write taht data to storage on a pi, in realtime?
[22:34] <blockh34d> seems like that'd be another hurdle
[22:34] <_BigWings_> Im trying to bake lightmaps and it complains that 'None of the selcted mesh renderers are marked as static'
[22:34] <clever> blockh34d: was thinking more for a regular laptop/desktop as the primary use
[22:34] <_BigWings_> but the model im trying to bake IS marked as static
[22:34] <blockh34d> clever: oh ok that soun ds more realistic
[22:34] <clever> blockh34d: and the bulk of it wont actualy be recording, just manipulating it in software and sending a mixed stream out
[22:34] <_BigWings_> anyone have experience with this?
[22:34] <blockh34d> clever: right, sounds cool.. making something like fruityloops are we?
[22:35] <clever> blockh34d: but i am considering trying to use the pi gpio for capture
[22:35] <blockh34d> _BigWings_: what app are you using?
[22:35] <_BigWings_> what do you mean?
[22:35] <blockh34d> clever: theres some audio expansion shields for rpi 've seen, look kinda neat
[22:35] <blockh34d> _BigWings_: what app has this 'bake lightmap' option
[22:35] <clever> blockh34d: for example, de-serialize the i2s into a 24 bit wide parallel bus, then sample that with a single io register read
[22:35] <_BigWings_> oww shoot
[22:35] <_BigWings_> wrong channel :P
[22:35] <_BigWings_> in unity3d
[22:35] <blockh34d> _BigWings_: i thought so ;)
[22:35] <_BigWings_> sorry
[22:36] <blockh34d> no worries
[22:36] <blockh34d> i do gamedev too so i was prepared to tyr to help
[22:36] <clever> _BigWings_: i keep thinking about how the pi could almost run some of these unity games
[22:36] <blockh34d> but i dont do much with unity
[22:36] <clever> but unity doesnt have an arm linux compiler
[22:36] <clever> so its just not possible to even try
[22:36] <blockh34d> clever: does it even have a linux engine yet? last time i checked in, 'unity' wasnt really very united
[22:37] <clever> blockh34d: it has 32 and 64bit linux targets
[22:37] <clever> the editor can compile directly into a linux game client
[22:37] <clever> but the editor itself wont run on linux
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[22:37] <blockh34d> yah it seemed unthinkable to me, even back then, that it didnt suppo90rt linux
[22:37] <blockh34d> so i'm not surprised they took care of that
[22:37] <blockh34d> good
[22:37] <blockh34d> offensive that they would omit linux imo
[22:37] <clever> they sort of support arm linux, via the android target
[22:37] <blockh34d> should have been in therer from day #1
[22:37] <clever> but thats a different api
[22:38] <MY123> clever: Using WebGL, it should work on a Pi.
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[22:39] <Birkelund> Are there anybody who can show me an example of the php code i need in order to extract the qty of commens from a webpage using the graph api?
[22:40] <Birkelund> https://graph.facebook.com/?ids=http%3A%2F%2Fexample.com%2F
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[22:40] <Birkelund> wrong channel
[22:40] <blockh34d> lol also something i might help with
[22:40] <blockh34d> but you lost me at 'facebook.com'
[22:42] <Birkelund> ehh?
[22:42] <sine0> I have one static ip address at home. can i run 2 diferrent websites with different domain names pointing to my ip
[22:43] <Birkelund> i know it is possible. The same way that a webhost have multiple websites on a single server (with one ip)
[22:43] <Birkelund> are you using apache
[22:43] <blockh34d> sine0: yes should be doable
[22:43] <blockh34d> either by the directory requested or the requested url prefix
[22:44] <blockh34d> sine0: i think you'd want to look into 'subdomains'
[22:44] <Birkelund> does this help
[22:44] <Birkelund> http://www.debian-administration.org/articles/412
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[22:51] <pepijndevos> I thought audio on raspi b+ was supposed to be better... :/
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[22:52] <pepijndevos> It produces constant noice in the absence of sound. The louder the sound the less noise.
[22:52] <IT_Sean> pepijndevos, I believe there were improvements made to the analog audio circuit
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[22:54] <pepijndevos> IT_Sean, to me it sounds actually worse than the B :(
[22:55] <IT_Sean> Have you tried turning it off and on again?
[22:55] <pepijndevos> hehe, no.
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[22:56] <MY123> pepijndevos: You should try a 4-pole connector, or you will get EXACTLY that.
[22:56] <pepijndevos> MY123, a what? why?
[22:56] <ShorTie> sure it just isn't power supply noise that the B+ is amplifying more, so it is really doing a better job
[22:56] <pepijndevos> AM I now "seeing" the svido on my headphones?
[22:57] <MY123> pepijndevos: Yes. The video is now also on the connector, and you need a special cable (jact to composite and sound).
[22:57] <ShorTie> yup, video is in the 3.5mm plug
[22:57] <pepijndevos> reboot did not help.
[22:57] <MY123> *jack
[22:58] <MY123> pepijndevos: You need the new cable so reboot is useless.
[22:58] <pepijndevos> can i just disable composite?
[22:58] <ShorTie> disabling will not disconnect the physical connection
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[22:59] <bnmorgan> anybody have suggestion of an inexpensive bluetooth dongle rpi compatable that isn't a raging bitch to setup?
[22:59] <IT_Sean> hey!
[22:59] <IT_Sean> Watch it.
[22:59] <MY123> pepijndevos: There is some 1mA order noise that can't be removed. I think you can power off the entire videoblock but you will also lose HDMI.
[22:59] <bnmorgan> sorry.
[22:59] <blockh34d> bnmorgan: no, every thing i've tried made ripping my hair out look fun by comparison
[23:00] <blockh34d> i did eventually get it working, for most stuff though
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[23:00] <pepijndevos> fck, so basically it still sucks for audio...
[23:00] <blockh34d> but it ended up feeling laggy and unresponsive so i eventually changed up to a rf wireless kb/mouse
[23:00] <blockh34d> pepijndevos: careful i think language is a concern here
[23:01] <blockh34d> not for me but in general i mean
[23:01] <pepijndevos> I'm not using HDMI, so if that solves the nose, I;d do it
[23:01] <ShorTie> yup, it's a family channel
[23:01] <pepijndevos> sorry about the language.
[23:01] <MY123> pepijndevos: You can use the new cable. It costs 5 dollars.
[23:01] <ShorTie> leave vowels out still count
[23:02] <pepijndevos> I'll say erwt next time. Which is a dutch vegetable, but has a good sound to it.
[23:02] <MY123> pepijndevos: Don't forget what you said will be archived for posterity in the channel logs.
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[23:02] <blockh34d> pepijndevos: i was just trying to think of a safe standin for curses.. my best thought was 'frak' like from battlestar galactica
[23:02] <blockh34d> but something tells me even thats cutting it pretty close
[23:03] <bnmorgan> blockh34d ty.....i'm looking to do the obdpi thing
[23:03] <blockh34d> i dont know what obdpi is
[23:04] <blockh34d> btw i was using a logitech bt dongle, usb
[23:04] <bnmorgan> http://www.cowfishstudios.com/blog/obd-pi-raspberry-pi-displaying-car-diagnostics-obd-ii-data-on-an-aftermarket-head-unit
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[23:04] <blockh34d> total pain to setup so if youre shopping for bt dongles for rpi, maybe keep lookin cause that one took a while
[23:04] <bnmorgan> just realize they link one from there on amazon
[23:04] <blockh34d> thats the one then
[23:05] <blockh34d> what kind do they like?
[23:05] <bnmorgan> http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B009ZIILLI/ref=oh_details_o00_s00_i00?ie=UTF8&psc=1
[23:05] <blockh34d> cool thanks
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[23:07] <blockh34d> hey had a tv show idea, what does the chan think of this:
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[23:07] <blockh34d> like mythbusters but instead of myths, its all about settling weird non-resolvable issues
[23:07] <blockh34d> like 'should the toilet seat be left up, or down'
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[23:07] <blockh34d> etc
[23:07] <blockh34d> and then abuse science for at least an hour resolving that issue
[23:07] <sine0> blockh34d: by subdomains do you mean subdomain.thewebsite.co.uk
[23:08] <blockh34d> sine0: right but i thnk the way those are handled could also be keyed off the directory requested
[23:08] <blockh34d> not super sure about that though its been a while since i did much with apache
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[23:14] <sine0> ok my apt-get apt-get
[23:14] <sine0> apt-get
[23:14] <sine0> bugger
[23:14] <sine0> apt-get install mysql-server mysql-client
[23:14] <sine0> has been hanging for quite a while now
[23:14] <sine0> Setting up mysql-server (5.5.38-0+wheezy1) ...
[23:14] <sine0> on that line
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[23:14] <sine0> ive not had a hang during install before
[23:14] <sine0> do i ctrl-c it
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[23:17] <MY123> sine0: Wait it half-an-hour.
[23:17] <shiftplusone> I'd leave it
[23:17] <Alex_TNT> anyone can help me with something?
[23:17] <sine0> ahh bugger i quit out
[23:18] <sine0> whats the best way to do it again guys
[23:18] <sine0> re install or is there a cleanup command.
[23:18] <shiftplusone> Alex_TNT, I can help you with pancake recipe or general life advice, but if you have something specific in mind, you should ask that instead.
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[23:19] <MY123> sine0: You can dpkg --configure -a to continue.
[23:20] <sine0> [sudo] password for sine:
[23:20] <sine0> dpkg: error: dpkg status database is locked by another process
[23:20] <sine0> sine@shakti:~$
[23:20] <Alex_TNT> I have a gpio screen 2.8inch i've run it's FBTFT-image on sdcard, but when I'm connecting an hdmi the screen it's blocked somehow
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[23:21] <Alex_TNT> at bcm2708_spp1 bm2708_sp1.0: DMA channel 5 at adress ....
[23:21] <blockh34d> shiftplusone: how did you know i was thinking about pancakes?!?
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[23:21] <MY123> sine0: Did you *really* stop apt-get ?
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[23:22] <shiftplusone> blockh34d, because you are an intelligent guy.... that's what intelligent people think about.
[23:22] <blockh34d> well that makes sense
[23:22] <blockh34d> maybe thats how we should distribute complex life advice
[23:22] <blockh34d> on pancakes
[23:23] <blockh34d> it probably is a great way to deliver bad news actually
[23:23] <shiftplusone> Like fortune cookies, but longer?
[23:23] <blockh34d> sure
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[23:23] <sine0> MY123: i quit putty
[23:23] <shiftplusone> oh... depressing fortune cookies, but written on pancakes, got it.
[23:23] <blockh34d> sounds like a great thing to use the reprap pancake printer for
[23:23] <shiftplusone> reprap pancake printer what? D=
[23:24] <blockh34d> shiftplusone: oh yes, it prints pancakes, and *well*
[23:24] <blockh34d> sec, will find a link
[23:24] <shiftplusone> http://3digitalcooks.com/2013/11/digital-pancakes/ ?
[23:24] <blockh34d> shiftplusone: theres actually lots of them
[23:24] <blockh34d> so sure, why not
[23:24] <blockh34d> i think they're mostly modified deltas
[23:25] <blockh34d> yes i think thats how 'death in the family' news should be delivered from now on.
[23:25] <blockh34d> and other similarly bad news.
[23:26] <MY123> sine0: so killall apt-get and then run dpkg --configure -a
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[23:29] <sine0> MY123: i did that but nothing happened
[23:29] <gordonDrogon> shiftplusone, you know what I find depressing about that video - "pancake mix".
[23:29] <sine0> i forgot to mention that i rebooted..
[23:29] <gordonDrogon> all you need is flour, egg, milk and a pinch of salt...
[23:29] <shiftplusone> heh
[23:30] <MY123> sine0 : do an rm /var/lib/dpkg/lock
[23:30] <shiftplusone> well, the recipe says pancake powder, which I am guessing is mostly flour, so...
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[23:30] <shiftplusone> and the rest is covered in the recipe too
[23:30] <shiftplusone> close enough then
[23:30] <gordonDrogon> sure - but the fact that 'pancake powder' exists in the first place... sad...
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[23:31] <sine0> wtf pancake crap..
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[23:31] <shiftplusone> my mum sent me a recipe for blintz (russian pancakes)... let me see what she said.
[23:32] <sine0> MY123: ok. now shall i try to reinstall
[23:32] <shiftplusone> yup, pretty much what you said
[23:32] <sine0> do i double click the exe
[23:32] <sine0> only joking :D
[23:32] <gordonDrogon> my recipie: weight egg. add double flour weight. add 4x milk weight (ie. double flour weight). pinch of salt. whisk.
[23:32] <gordonDrogon> hot pan with butter and off you go...
[23:32] <blockh34d> gordonDrogon: dont forget the sugar, cinnamon, vanilla, and a little baking powder
[23:32] <blockh34d> also i like a little coconut oil in mine
[23:33] <gordonDrogon> blockh34d, ach no.
[23:33] <MY123> sine0: now, dpkg --configure -a
[23:33] <gordonDrogon> baking powder just makes them fluffier - use self raising flour for that.
[23:33] <blockh34d> gordonDrogon: yes i do but i like them even fluffier still
[23:33] <sine0> sine@shakti:~$ sudo dpkg --configure -a
[23:33] <sine0> sine@shakti:~$
[23:34] <blockh34d> i like a kinda runny mix with extra raising power so i can pour out a pancake and then tilt the pan until its paper thin and big
[23:34] <blockh34d> like a crepe, i guess
[23:34] <shiftplusone> the recipe I got: add butter, flour, sugar, salt and whisked eggs to warm milk. Mix well and let it stand for 15 minutes.
[23:34] <blockh34d> its better, i think. very tastey, kinda lighter than normal pancakes i think
[23:35] <MY123> sine0: You can now apt-get install mysql-server
[23:35] <sine0> hooooray!
[23:35] <shiftplusone> I need to get the recipe off my grandma though, since she is the wizard when it comes to these things.
[23:36] <sine0> mysql-client is already the newest version.
[23:36] <blockh34d> shiftplusone: try what i suggested i think you will find it makes the bad news that much more delicious.
[23:36] <sine0> it seems to think that it is installed correctly
[23:36] <shiftplusone> First I need to get some bad news
[23:37] <blockh34d> shiftplusone: 'the cake is a lie'
[23:37] <blockh34d> but the pancake is nothing but truth
[23:37] <blockh34d> delicious, horrible truth.
[23:37] <shiftplusone> meh, I always thought cake was overrated
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[23:38] <gordonDrogon> I bake cakes... and sell them.
[23:38] <gordonDrogon> they're much sought after in these parts!
[23:40] <blockh34d> gordonDrogon: you should setup a companion cube at your cake selling venues
[23:40] <nid0> you should do delivery
[23:40] <blockh34d> have it tell people that the cake is real and not a lie
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[23:45] <gordonDrogon> blockh34d, a what?
[23:46] <blockh34d> gordonDrogon: companion cube. like from portal (origin of 'the cake is a lie' term)
[23:46] <gordonDrogon> not played portal.
[23:46] <blockh34d> oh you should try that out some time
[23:46] <blockh34d> its a classic.
[23:46] <gordonDrogon> and I've only ever seen 'cake is a lie' in minecraft...
[23:46] <gordonDrogon> does it run on Linux?
[23:46] <blockh34d> yah they're referencing portal
[23:47] <blockh34d> i dunno, its a halflife mod, originally
[23:47] <blockh34d> does halflife run on linux? i bet wine can handle it
[23:47] <gordonDrogon> not really intersted unles it's native.
[23:47] <gordonDrogon> I don't do windows.
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[23:48] <shiftplusone> portal runs on linux, yes
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[23:53] <gordonDrogon> not sure I have the energy to play another game right now.
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[23:57] <DanDare> Hello. Running "raspi-config", on "Choose whether to boot into a desktop environment, Scratch, or the command-line". Whats the Scratch mode ?
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[23:59] <Helldesk> some kind of entry-level educational programming thing
[23:59] <DanDare> Helldesk, I see, thanks
[23:59] <Helldesk> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scratch_%28programming_language%29

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