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IRC Log for 2014-07-24

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[0:01] <DanDare> Rastrack! it looks funny ...
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[0:02] <gordonDrogon> Rastrack is a project to count raspberry pi's in-use and where they are.
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[0:04] <DanDare> gordonDrogon, yeah im looking there right now. Sounds funny, will enable that
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[0:05] <gordonDrogon> that chap who did it got it going way back.
[0:05] <DanDare> I see
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[0:06] <gordonDrogon> he now makes & sells robot stuff for the Pi.
[0:06] <DanDare> Nice
[0:07] <DanDare> I see on his site "5% off for rastrack registered people"
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[0:08] <DanDare> I think i know what will be a first pi hardware project: a monitor using 2 x 7 segment display to monitor CPU load
[0:08] <DanDare> and some switches to halt and reboot
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[0:08] <gordonDrogon> just don't use 100% cpu driving the display :)
[0:09] <DanDare> hahaha yeah :)
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[0:09] <sine0> i take it there isnt a power switch on this thing.
[0:10] <DanDare> actually, i need know how hard is for pi to manage the gpios... maybe that idea is just dumb if it uses too much CPU
[0:10] <sine0> its just unplug the power...
[0:10] <gordonDrogon> DanDare, it's easy to manage the gpio's.
[0:10] <DanDare> sine0, yeah... i dont like it (imo)
[0:10] <gordonDrogon> DanDare, you can do it from shell scripts if you like.
[0:10] <DanDare> gordonDrogon, I mean, how hard for the pi, in regard to CPU usage
[0:10] <Aias> hi. after some weeks i forgot my ssh password (and root password) on the pi. i put the sd in my laptop, but i can't chroot to it because it's arm architecture
[0:10] <Aias> what do?
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[0:11] <DanDare> like, a CPU monitor that eats 10% of the CPU is worthless
[0:11] <gordonDrogon> well - it al ldepends on what you do - I multiplexed 6 x 7-segment displays together and it was using about 3% cpu.
[0:11] <DanDare> I see
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[0:11] <gordonDrogon> that was from a C program.
[0:11] <DanDare> ok
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[0:12] <gordonDrogon> https://projects.drogon.net/7-segment-led-display-for-the-raspberry-pi/
[0:12] <gordonDrogon> that program does it the hard way - if you use 7 (or 8) resistors it's simpler.
[0:12] <DanDare> Aias, good question. Now I got curious also on some possible solution
[0:13] <gordonDrogon> but you need a driver to sink the current of potentially 8 LEDs on at once.
[0:13] <DanDare> gordonDrogon, i did some project driving 4 displays, using 1 shift register + 4 transistors (resistors and wires)
[0:13] <gordonDrogon> another solution is the PiGlow - http://wiringpi.com/dev-lib/piglow/
[0:14] <gordonDrogon> DanDare, yep - that would work on the Pi - the SR feeding the segments, the transsitors sinking common cathode current.
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[0:14] <gordonDrogon> or use an LCD display.
[0:14] <DanDare> yeah
[0:15] <gordonDrogon> http://wiringpi.com/dev-lib/lcd-library/
[0:15] <gordonDrogon> the adafruit one is a bit pricey but nice.
[0:15] <DanDare> 1 bit from the SR was to turn ON/OFF each display, in sequence
[0:15] <DanDare> wait, no, nvm. cant even remember how i did that now
[0:16] <DanDare> no, it was 2 SRs. 1 to drive the cathodes, one to drive the displays
[0:16] <gordonDrogon> depends on hoe many pins you need.
[0:16] <DanDare> so, with that setup I waste 2 wires
[0:16] <gordonDrogon> as you need 3 to drive those SRs.
[0:17] <DanDare> nah, i got automatic latching
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[0:18] <gordonDrogon> lots of fun to be had with the gpio.
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[0:18] <sine0> ok so i have had a hiccup, and thats fine because im just playing computers. i cant access the linux from ssh for some reason.
[0:18] <DanDare> gordonDrogon, i got this blog going, but its forgotten now, it has at least that experiment http://bitfront.wordpress.com/2013/02/14/2-wire-shift-register-driver-with-latches/
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[0:19] <jaggz-> 16gb sd will work in rpi right?
[0:19] <DanDare> gordonDrogon, but it needs revisioning because the circuit can be much, much simpler, as using just 1 transistor and a cap.
[0:20] <sine0> so i was thinking of checking the files one windows but it doesnt recognise the file format on the ccard etc/
[0:20] <sine0> can i reformat in windows and dropt eh net installation files on again
[0:20] <DanDare> sine0, you mean, checking the linux files from windows ?
[0:20] <sine0> yes
[0:20] <sine0> or will i not be able to do that. i cant ssh and i have no seperate keybaord to hdmi. the eth0 is buggered
[0:20] <DanDare> sine0, you can do it using some virtual machine (like virtualbox), and accessing the partition from there.
[0:21] <DanDare> theres probably specific programs to do it directly but im not sure
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[0:21] <jaggz-> oh.. I see the compatibility chart, n/m..t hanks :)
[0:21] <sine0> is it ext2/3
[0:22] <gordonDrogon> DanDare, if you use wiringPi, you can cascade 4 595 SR's together with 3 pins for 32 output bits.
[0:22] <gordonDrogon> DanDare, http://wiringpi.com/extensions/shift-register-74x595/
[0:22] <DanDare> gordonDrogon, I see. The usual SR cascading
[0:23] <DanDare> sine0, not sure if its ext3 or 4 ...
[0:24] <gordonDrogon> DanDare, it could be more but I only use a 32-bit integer to store the state of the output pins...
[0:24] <DanDare> sine0, installing virtualbox + linux ends by being totally free and you can access your card (after configuring the card driver on the linux virtual machine anyway)
[0:26] <DanDare> gordonDrogon, i just bough a wifi adapter for pi, from the same vendor i got this PCF8574P chip, thats looks interesting also for outputs
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[0:27] <gordonDrogon> DanDare, http://wiringpi.com/extensions/i2c-pcf8574/ Yes, that's an intersting chip if you look at how it works internally.
[0:28] <DanDare> gordonDrogon, oh nice, so wiringpi has some extension for it... it couldnt be better considering i just bought this
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[0:30] <gordonDrogon> enjoy - zed time for me.
[0:30] <DanDare> gordonDrogon, bye, have a good one, thanks
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[0:32] * sutty is now known as sutty\away
[0:33] <sine0> http://bal.ms/noob.jpg
[0:34] <DanDare> Aias, if your data one the pi SD card is important, you cant try using Qemu to emulate the ARM and chroot from them
[0:35] <DanDare> just reading about it... but i never tried Qemu
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[0:35] <Aias> me neither, DanDare. it seems like the way to do it
[0:36] <Aias> i'm trying to figure out how to do it without making an image from the card, to then boot and modify, then dd back to sd
[0:36] <Aias> it seems like that would work, but there must be a shorter way around
[0:36] <DanDare> Aias, im not sure if its possible but maybe mounting the SD card and try changing the root password the hard way by changing the hash brute force style
[0:39] <lost_soul> Aias: try googling how to boot in to single user mode for your distribution
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[0:39] <DanDare> lost_soul, it must be done from the bootloader options this way, right ?
[0:40] <DanDare> normally grub
[0:40] <lost_soul> http://www.raspberrypi.org/forums/viewtopic.php?p=109612
[0:40] <lost_soul> have a look see at that, maybe
[0:42] <lost_soul> DanDare: grub is a way, yes
[0:42] <lost_soul> obviously not how one would do it with the Pi though
[0:42] <DanDare> I see
[0:43] <DanDare> Only thing I know atm is that pi boots from a fat partition
[0:43] <lost_soul> Aias: also look at this http://raspberrypi.stackexchange.com/questions/3751/oops-i-need-runlevel-1
[0:44] <lost_soul> looks like two options that could let you change your password without much of an issue
[0:44] <Aias> i liked the sound of your brute force method. if we know what algorithm makes the hash in the shadow file then we can make a new password for the ssh user and write ours over the existing one
[0:45] <DanDare> Aias, thats what I meant, but never tried it. Maybe ask #linux what hash type is used and wheres stored
[0:45] <DanDare> SHA256 perhaps ?
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[0:48] <Aias> setting the same password for different users results in different hashes
[0:48] <DanDare> maybe some type of salts or something... its probably not that easy doing it
[0:48] <lost_soul> why would you set it for a different user?
[0:49] <Aias> just testing to see if i could make a hash on one machine then write the hash to /etc/shadow
[0:50] <DanDare> Aias, or it could be a hash from the password+username together
[0:50] <Aias> i don't think it will work, even with same username and uid on machine used to generate it
[0:50] <Aias> DanDare: possibly
[0:51] <lost_soul> if all you want to do is change the password, why all of the playing around with hashes?
[0:51] <Aias> lol
[0:51] <lost_soul> I only read the last few minutes of the conversation so I may have missed something
[0:51] <DanDare> Aias, i think i can test here for a name + password and see what the result is and inform you (regular debian wheezy)
[0:52] <DanDare> lost_soul, he lost his passwords to access the pu
[0:52] <DanDare> *pu
[0:52] <DanDare> nvm
[0:52] <lost_soul> DanDare: right, which is why I provided the two links I did
[0:52] <DanDare> Yeah I know
[0:53] <lost_soul> single user mode and likely "safe mode" boots to a root shell so all he would need to do is run passwd and enter his new root password
[0:53] <DanDare> he just liked the idea of trying the brute force, maybe possible method :p
[0:53] <lost_soul> ah
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[0:53] <Aias> that and i don't have monitor.. i could blind type, i have keyboard
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[0:54] <DanDare> need go, good luck. bye
[0:54] <Aias> cya
[0:54] <Aias> it's late for me too
[0:54] <lost_soul> plug it in to a tv via composite :p
[0:54] <Aias> !gn
[0:54] <lost_soul> night DanDare
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[0:54] <DanDare> ill be back after hitting home, salute
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[1:27] <[Saint]> Bah.
[1:27] <[Saint]> WHy do people always ask about things I know about when I'm asleep...lol.
[1:28] <[Saint]> I could've sorted Mr. Forgotmyrootpassword (bah...why even *have* a root password...grrrrr...) right out.
[1:29] * [Saint] maintains that there are exactly zero reasons to need to be root
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[1:31] <pukkapi> Hi guys
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[1:47] <phire> there is no need to be root
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[1:47] <phire> just prefix every bash command with sudo
[1:48] <ShorTie> root rockz
[1:48] <[Saint]> The only possible need to be root is setting up an image that dumps you in a root login with no pre-filled sudo-capable users.
[1:48] <[Saint]> ie. Arch.
[1:48] <[Saint]> Other than that...yeah, no need to be root.
[1:48] <[Saint]> But, people like to be root...'cos...hackers.
[1:48] <phire> I once had a ubuntu install with a blank root password
[1:49] <[Saint]> Wow. That must've been *years* ago.
[1:49] <phire> as in it no-longer asked for a password and just let you in
[1:49] <[Saint]> Years and years and years ago.
[1:49] <phire> the ubuntu people on IRC refused to believe me (just use sudo)
[1:49] <[Saint]> root password has been locked on Ubuntu for...well...as long as I care to remember.
[1:49] <phire> this was probally 2008
[1:49] <[Saint]> That rather sounds like someone let themselves in to your system.
[1:50] <phire> I was installing via debootstrap
[1:50] <phire> which is 'unsupported'
[1:50] <[Saint]> That shouldn't change the behaviour of the default passwords, though.
[1:50] <[Saint]> root should be locked. end of.
[1:50] <[Saint]> That's messed up.
[1:51] <phire> exactly my thought, but no-one belived me
[1:51] <[Saint]> I'll bet.
[1:51] <phire> I just set a password and moved on with my life
[1:51] * [Saint] nods
[1:51] <[Saint]> set a password, and then promptly locked it, one hopes. ;)
[1:52] <ShorTie> if there is absolutely no need to be root, how do you install Gentoo ??
[1:52] <[Saint]> [11:48:23] <[Saint]> The only possible need to be root is setting up an image that dumps you in a root login with no pre-filled sudo-capable users.
[1:52] <[Saint]> [11:48:25] <[Saint]> ie. Arch.
[1:52] <MY123> ShorTie: A custom version of fakeroot works well.
[1:52] <[Saint]> Gentoo works there also
[1:53] <ShorTie> Gentoo is by no way an image, lol.
[1:53] <[Saint]> But, one _could_ argue that there's no possible need to install Gentoo. ;)
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[1:53] <[Saint]> Voiding the root issue. :P
[1:54] <phire> from memory the problem passwd said "root::0:0..." instead of "root:x:0:0..."
[1:54] <[Saint]> Oh dear.
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[1:59] <ShorTie> everyone should install Gentoo, it is truely a learning experiance
[1:59] <[Saint]> Learning to hate yourself.
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[1:59] <[Saint]> "Oh God! What have I done!"
[2:00] <ShorTie> Laughs Out Loud
[2:00] <MY123> [Saint]: Except if you are using it everyday.
[2:00] <phire> I've been thinking about going back to Gentoo
[2:00] <[Saint]> Why don't Gentoo people use Arch?
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[2:00] <[Saint]> Bleeding edge, without the futzing around.
[2:00] <phire> I currently use Arch
[2:00] <[Saint]> Woo!
[2:00] * [Saint] also
[2:00] <[Saint]> I haven't looked back.
[2:01] <ShorTie> because there is no pacman in Gentoo
[2:01] <phire> but it has a few issues
[2:01] <[Saint]> ...and Gentoo doesn't? ;)
[2:01] <MY123> [Saint]: Because they want to use CPU-specfic optimisations and I don't trust any random binary.
[2:01] <phire> gentoo has a lot of issues
[2:01] <phire> I still hate arch for removing the aufs2 patches that I was using from the kernel package
[2:01] <MY123> phire: Agree, Use buildroot. It is good.
[2:02] <[Saint]> At this stage, there's really not a hell of a lot to be done in the way of ARM specific optimization for specific ARM flavors.
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[2:02] <[Saint]> A few years ago, I would agree.
[2:02] <[Saint]> Now...notsomuch.
[2:02] <[Saint]> Very little gain.
[2:02] <phire> and gentoo has eselect
[2:02] <phire> that's the main thing arch is missing
[2:04] <phire> arch is good because it doesn't break on every second emerge
[2:04] <MY123> phire: Currently using my work PC, there using Windows 7 is mandatory.
[2:04] <phire> I'm using ubuntu at work
[2:04] <clever> ShorTie: i happen to have gentoo installed on 3 or 4 systems right now
[2:04] <MY123> phire: Very lucky.
[2:04] <phire> my friend uses gentoo stable at his work
[2:05] <clever> only problem ive had with gentoo recently is when the upgrade went to gnome3, now nothing in the gui looks/works right
[2:05] <MY123> phire: It is a company policy.
[2:05] <clever> and the nvidia drivers are having some minor issues controlling the backlight
[2:05] <clever> as in, the backlight entirely ignores commands 90% of the time
[2:05] <phire> sigh
[2:05] <clever> half the time, it stays on at full power in sleep mode
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[2:05] <clever> and half the time it doesnt turn on with the lcd
[2:05] <phire> when I got my laptop, the backlight didn't work
[2:05] <MY123> clever: You can use Nouveau, a lot better.
[2:06] <clever> or get stuck in low brightness
[2:06] <phire> then 6 months later a kernel update made it start working again
[2:06] <clever> i havent done an update in about a month
[2:06] <clever> should try another when i get the time
[2:06] <phire> but a year later another kernel update broke it again
[2:07] <clever> phire: need to keep a copy of the kernel source so you can revert it
[2:07] <MY123> clever : PowerVR is two thousand times worse.
[2:07] <clever> ?
[2:07] <phire> clever, too lazy
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[2:07] <clever> phire: thats actualy the default in gentoo, my /usr/src/linux is litered with old kernels
[2:08] <MY123> clever: I'm speaking about Imagination Technologies PowerVR graphics.
[2:08] <phire> that's my other complaint about arch
[2:08] <clever> ah
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[2:08] <phire> if you use packages which are built from source they never get updated
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[2:08] <MY123> clever: They power the Intel Poulsbo chipset and the Smartphone Intel Atom CPU.
[2:09] <clever> that reminds me, i was helping somebody with graphics issues a few months ago
[2:09] <clever> his laptop had 2 gpu's
[2:09] <clever> turns out, for power saving reasons, they fit 2 GPU's in that laptop!
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[2:09] <clever> one gpu is horid weak, it can only do a basic 2d framebuffer, like a 'graphics card' from a 486 machine
[2:09] <phire> ah yes. Nvidia
[2:10] <clever> the 2nd gpu can do full 3d games, and dumps it to the framebuffer of the 1st
[2:10] <clever> so you can entirely cut power to the 2nd gpu
[2:10] <MY123> clever: There is NO drivers for that, except with Android, and libhybris doesn't like x86. (the system is stuck with a 2.6.32 kernel).
[2:11] <clever> another thing ive setup since i have so many gentoo boxes
[2:11] <clever> an rsync mirror of portage
[2:11] <clever> cron updates it daily, and i have gigabit access to it, so syncs are faster
[2:11] <clever> and the less portable machines just mount it directly over nfs
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[2:16] <MY123> clever: Did you see the ARM init code of Freeblob 0.0.1B ?
[2:16] <[Saint]> phire: you can blame the maintainers of <package> for that one.
[2:16] <[Saint]> Not Arch as a whole.
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[2:16] <[Saint]> It is entirely possible to upgrade packages built from source as part of a regular system upgrade.
[2:16] <[Saint]> Assuming the necessary hooks to do this are in place in <package>
[2:16] <[Saint]> ...which, rarely, if ever, happens.
[2:17] <phire> doesn't that require a build from source package to be in the repo?
[2:17] <phire> I'm talking about packages from ARU
[2:17] <phire> *AUR
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[2:18] <[Saint]> Not necessarily. I've seen it handled before, in various ways.
[2:18] <MY123> phire: No. You can use pkgbuild.
[2:18] * [Saint] nods
[2:19] <[Saint]> Its entirely <package_maintainer's> fault that <package> doesn't get updated when compiled from source during a regular system upgrade.
[2:19] <[Saint]> I think most of them assume that since you built it from source, you'll want to handle the upgrade yourself explicitely.
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[2:20] <[Saint]> Not entirely a non-sane approach.
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[2:21] * [Saint] cringes at the new Material UI Google Play Store
[2:22] <[Saint]> ...they had a chance to make it so beautiful.
[2:22] <[Saint]> But, they murdered it.
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[2:22] <txbbq2> for some reason a rpi-update 48n423 (random hash) has bricked my raspberry pi - after flashing the SD with a new image I still am unable to boot it - not ethernet lights or anything
[2:22] <[Saint]> So. Much. Wasted. Space. :-/
[2:22] <MY123> [Saint]: ./remove-nonfree-apps.sh ; ./install-replicant.sh
[2:23] <[Saint]> MY123: nuts to that...that's removing everything that is actually good and useful from Android for the sake of polishing your tinfoil hat.
[2:23] <[Saint]> May as well have a bloody decade old feature phone if that's the way you want to go.
[2:24] <[Saint]> txbbq2: I can't think of any way that could be possible
[2:24] <[Saint]> txbbq2: rpi-update is well known for trashing /boot partitions.
[2:24] <[Saint]> But it can't affect the actual hardware.
[2:26] <MY123> [Saint]: Why? There is GPU support in freedreno. If you want something, sideload .apks.
[2:27] <MY123> I don't trust anything in //NSA// era.
[2:27] <[Saint]> You're woefully misguided.
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[2:28] <[Saint]> There's absolutely ZERO point in thinking about your mobile devices this way as long as they have a closed radio binary.
[2:28] <[Saint]> Which is...every modern phone...ever.
[2:28] <[Saint]> Pretty much.
[2:28] <MY123> [Saint]: Replicant has a reverse-enginnered radio binary.
[2:29] <[Saint]> Not entirely.
[2:29] <MY123> It is fully open-source. And tradeoffs functionnality to openness.
[2:29] <[Saint]> As long as there's still closed blobs on there, which there are, there's very little point.
[2:29] <[Saint]> And all the truly open phones are crap.
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[2:30] <MY123> [Saint]: There is ZERO closed blobs in Replicant. Maybe , you are looking in the wrong place.
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[2:34] <[Saint]> That information just plain isn't true.
[2:34] <[Saint]> Replicant just chooses devices where the modem is "isolated" (to the best of their knowledge).
[2:35] <[Saint]> Anyway - we've had this discussion before. I need to use my phone to do actual useful things...so, Replicant isn't an option.
[2:35] <[Saint]> If I wanted a paperweight that also made phone calls, I'd give it a try, but I also need to actually work from this device.
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[2:37] <[Saint]> Replicant has a FOSS RIL, but, in every case I'm aware of the radio binary itself is closed.
[2:37] <[Saint]> It *has* to be closed.
[2:38] <[Saint]> ...and as long as the radio binary can walk freely across the entire memory region, and has unfettered access to the SoC, I see zero point in using Replicant.
[2:38] <[Saint]> Its a nice idea that is fundamentally flawed.
[2:38] <MY123> [Saint]: Replicant does use a reverse-enginnered radio binary.
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[2:40] * [Saint] sighs
[2:40] <MY123> [Saint]: Replicant has reverse-enginnered radio but doesn't have Wifi or Bluetooth AT ALL.
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[2:42] <MY123> [Saint]: If there is better documentation than the SRC code, wake me.
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[2:53] * [Saint] goes back to finishing the fiddly soldering on this USB hub
[2:53] <[Saint]> When it is done, it'll serve as:
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[2:54] * lupinedk is now known as Lupinedk
[2:54] <[Saint]> - a USB hub (unsurprisingly)
[2:54] <[Saint]> - a fast charging station for up to 12 devices
[2:54] <[Saint]> - a space heater? :)
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[2:55] <MY123> [Saint]: Put 100 2Ohms resistors in series. Should be nasty.
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[2:56] <[Saint]> Once finished, it'll be able to provide a total of 25.2A output.
[2:56] <[Saint]> (which is why I joked about it being a space heater :))
[2:57] <[Saint]> 2.1A x 12
[2:57] <MY123> [Saint]: At 0,2V ? :P
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[2:57] <[Saint]> 5.1
[2:58] <txbbq2> @saint - so if i restore the image to the SD shouldn’t that do it?
[2:58] <[Saint]> (adjustable to 12, or 3.3, if I really wanted to)
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[2:58] <txbbq2> it just sits with the red light solid
[2:58] <txbbq2> no lights at all
[2:58] <[Saint]> txbbq2: it may be curious timing and you've hit the end of the sdcards usable lifespan
[2:58] <txbbq2> i’ve restored with the NOOB image
[2:58] <[Saint]> (it happens, they won't work indefinitely)
[2:58] <txbbq2> using Apple Pi Baker
[2:59] <MY123> [Saint] : Plug a USB harddisk with your hub at 12V, curious to try.
[2:59] <txbbq2> its abrand new SD
[2:59] <MY123> txbbq2: Do you use Linux or Microdollar ?
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[3:00] <txbbq2> linux
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[3:03] <MY123> txbbq2: So do a : dd if=/dev/zero of=<sdcardpath> bs=2M and retry after.
[3:03] <[Saint]> Just leave the BS value, the host is the best one to work this out itself
[3:03] <[Saint]> It is largely superfluous these days.
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[3:22] <hxla> Hello, I'm using debian sid on raspberry pi and I'm using openbox for as little resource use as possible, but I need a control center, to graphically edit some info as keyboard, display and network configuration. I was going to try gnome-control-center but there are too many dependencies... is there another one that is lighter? Thanks
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[3:23] <MY123> hxla: When you use softfp, don't expect much help (use #debian) or high speed.
[3:24] <[Saint]> hxla: why do you need a control center for this?
[3:24] <[Saint]> Everything you've quoted can be configured from the commandline.
[3:27] <hxla> yep I know this can be configured from command line, but It's meant for users, so they can change resolution, keyboard layout, and even network configuration like DNS servers and if it's static IP or DHCP
[3:27] <hxla> it must be a graphical solution
[3:27] <MY123> hxla: Is Gnome 3 on a Raspberry Pi a good solution ?
[3:27] <phire> I'm going to say no
[3:28] <hxla> MY123: I don't think so...
[3:28] <MY123> phire: Why? GPU support works with my X11 EGL implementation. But it uses 75percent of the CPU.
[3:29] <phire> yeah...
[3:29] <phire> kind of making my point for me
[3:29] <MY123> hxla: LXqt is a good choice , but more heavy.
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[3:34] <[Saint]> Pretty much anything that involves running a GUI on a raspberrypi means you're gonna be in for a bad time in some regard.
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[3:34] <[Saint]> Even the lightest full option (LXDE/Openbox) runs like a bag of crap.
[3:35] <[Saint]> And that's putting it mildly.
[3:35] <hxla> I was thinking of LXDE/Openbox, and I'm using mostly only openbox now... but I haven't found any control center for LXDE that would fit my need...
[3:35] <MY123> [Saint]: IF USING WAYLAND THEN USING KDE. Runs well.
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[3:36] <[Saint]> hxla: a full LXDE install should bring in everything you require
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[3:38] <hxla> [Saint]: do you know the name of the packages or binarys that open such configurations on LXDE? I've looked all over google and on #lxde without luck
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[3:41] <[Saint]> lxinput - LXDE keyboard and mouse configuration
[3:41] <[Saint]> lxpanel - LXDE panel
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[3:41] <[Saint]> and, networkmanager and nm-applet
[3:41] <[Saint]> basically "apt-cache search lxde" would've answered this.
[3:42] <[Saint]> just pull in the "lxde" metapackage
[3:42] <[Saint]> networkmanager and nm-applet are likely already installed.
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[3:42] <[Saint]> ALso - http://wiki.lxde.org/en/Main_Page
[3:44] <[Saint]> All of this should already be present in the Raspbian image
[3:45] <[Saint]> You'd have to go to some trouble to break out of this environment, actually.
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[3:47] <hxla> I've tried lxinput before, it won't let you change keyboard layout, only typing speed and things like this
[3:47] <[Saint]> http://wiki.lxde.org/en/Change_keyboard_layouts
[3:48] <[Saint]> That was literally just "LXDE change keyboard locale"
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[3:48] <[Saint]> (for Google search term - first hit)
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[3:53] <txbbq2> is it possible to brick a new raspberry pi b+? i just got mine and did an rpi-update to an old hash - i’ve sense wiped the SD completely (like completely) and restored it and still don’t get it to boot - red light and green light turn on when i plug it in and then a second later solid red light and no network / boot lighting
[3:54] <[Saint]> There's absolutely nothing on the raspi that can be bricked by the user.
[3:54] <[Saint]> On either variant.
[3:55] <txbbq2> strange
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[3:56] <phire> "should be nothign"
[3:56] <hxla> [Saint]: I've already seen that page, most solutions they mention are not graphical or deprecated... unfortunatelly :(
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[3:58] <gn0> hi
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[3:58] <MY123> gn0 : Hi. Currently Brainfucking.
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[3:59] <gn0> Programming in Brainfuck or does it have another meaning that I'm not aware of?
[3:59] <[Saint]> *ahem*
[3:59] <MY123> gn0: Programming in BrainFuck
[3:59] <[Saint]> Language, people.
[3:59] <gn0> You hate your life.
[3:59] <gn0> But you're a smart and interesting geek
[4:00] <gn0> In which OS are you working with it?
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[4:01] <MY123> gn0: I'm working on Debian currently.
[4:02] <gn0> is there any cool compiler for it? last time I've used it I was unable to compile the programs, but it might be because I didn't know how to do anything that works
[4:02] <MY123> gn0: BrainFuck is not complicated . You can use BrainFix if you're a beginner.
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[4:03] <gn0> I'll googe it
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[4:04] <gn0> Actually there is a movie called Brain Fix, curious.
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[4:04] <gn0> Looks like an adult crappy movie.
[4:04] <MY123> gn0: There is a CPU which understands directly Brainfuck code.
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[4:06] <gn0> well, to be honest, BF is pretty simple, it just uses registers, pointers and indirect memory access so, beside it's syntax, most processors -if not all- understands BF code.
[4:06] <gn0> Cool thing is, if you can read BF code and understand it, you can debug a binary like a boss.
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[4:07] <MY123> gn0: Do you know Malbodge/ That is really difficult.
[4:08] <MY123> *?
[4:08] <gn0> No, not even by name
[4:08] <MY123> gn0: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Malbolge
[4:10] <gn0> it's like programming in RMD160
[4:10] <gn0> you have to decrypt the code first
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[4:12] <MY123> gn0: There has been two years since the creation of the language to see a Hello World.
[4:12] <gn0> Lol
[4:13] <gn0> So.. knowing how to program a factorial algorithm in Mabodge it's more impressive than having 2 PhD's.
[4:14] <MY123> gn0: Yes. It is a revolution: See http://esolangs.org/wiki/Malbolge_programming : a good link
[4:14] <gn0> If you can do it, you should write it on a big paper, roll it up, and hit random people in the face while walking on the street just to tell them you can program a factorial in Balbodge
[4:15] <MY123> gn0: Still has not the full idea. Should be programmed in two-three weeks if I have the time.
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[4:18] <gn0> Are you into esotheric programming languages?
[4:18] <MY123> gn0: Sort of, when I have anything to do. I code into that.
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[4:20] <MY123> gn0: http://web.archive.org/web/20000815230017/http://www.mines.edu/students/b/bolmstea/malbolge/ : programming from Hell
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[4:21] <gn0> I have to find a way to copy-paste from this IRC client..
[4:22] <[Saint]> which?
[4:22] <gn0> OK, I just didn't. Just double click was enough. I feel dumb now
[4:22] <gn0> jIRCii
[4:22] <[Saint]> ew.
[4:22] <[Saint]> ;)
[4:22] <gn0> I've found it yesterday, I was looking for something with old-school looks for windows :P
[4:23] <[Saint]> Ohhhhhh God.
[4:24] <[Saint]> dat website...
[4:24] <[Saint]> :-/
[4:24] <[Saint]> http://www.oldschoolirc.com/
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[4:25] <geordie> http://www.emacswiki.org/emacs/rcirc
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[4:25] <gn0> hahaha it looks like a high-school drawing
[4:26] <geordie> it's kinda cool actually...
[4:26] <[Saint]> Someone thew up some html and that was the result I guess.
[4:26] * cccy_RegeaneWolf is now known as cccyRegeaneWolfe
[4:26] <geordie> it's almost a self-parody
[4:27] <geordie> it's actually a fairly minimalist site
[4:27] <gn0> so I have to learn how to use Emacs to use rcirc, geordie?
[4:27] <MY123> gn0: Did you see the webarchive link?
[4:27] <geordie> gn0: only a few basics
[4:28] <gn0> MY123 I've read DOS and get a bit worried, but I think that I can install DosBOX tomorrow
[4:28] <gn0> geordie, does it worth it?
[4:28] <MY123> gn0: You can use it on Linux.
[4:28] <geordie> i like it...
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[4:29] * geordie disclaims that he is a personal friend of RCY
[4:29] <gn0> MY123 then I'll do it tomorrow
[4:29] <[Saint]> rcIRC on Emacs...uuuugh.
[4:29] <[Saint]> May as well go all out and install irssi in CygWin
[4:29] * [Saint] shudders
[4:29] <MY123> gn0: The Unix version works.
[4:29] <gn0> sad thing is that I have to draw something on solid edge / autocad so I have to stay in windows until I finish it, when I boot back in linu I don't wanna leave :P
[4:30] <[Saint]> gn0: heard of WINE?
[4:30] <geordie> on windows i would probably not bother with emacs/rcirc
[4:30] <MY123> gn0: You can use any DOS program on Windows. Download and test it. It works on Windows7.
[4:31] <MY123> gn0: You can use any DOS program on Windows. Download and test it. It works on Windows7.
[4:31] <[Saint]> gn0: You can use any DOS program on Windows. Download and test it. It works on Windows7.
[4:31] <[Saint]> gn0: You can use any DOS program on Windows. Download and test it. It works on Windows7.
[4:31] <phire> gn0: You can use any DOS program on Windows. Download and test it. It works on Windows7.
[4:31] <[Saint]> ...I'm sorry, was that not a thing we were doing?
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[4:34] <MY123> [Saint] : Did you see two messages of mine after that. I repeat messages because the majority of them get eaten over the connection.
[4:34] <gn0> lol? what was that?
[4:34] <gn0> btw.. wine didn't worked as my expectation lots of times and I can't struggle with this, I just have to finish it before a deadline
[4:35] <MY123> gn0: Did you try running Windows 7 on a Pentium II ? (it works well)
[4:35] <clever> lol
[4:35] <MY123> *on a dual Pentium2
[4:36] <MY123> clever: Not lol. Can give you a screenshot.
[4:37] <geordie> does anyone know if you can run dos progams on windows?
[4:37] <geordie> or should i ask in #debian?
[4:38] <MY123> geordie:You can use DOS program on Windows with all 32-bit versions of Windows. (not 64).
[4:38] <gn0> MY123 the far I did was WinXP SP2 on a Pentium MMX 200MHz with 64 Mb of RAM
[4:39] <geordie> :)
[4:39] <gn0> It was a pain.. but FreeBSD worked like a charm
[4:39] <MY123> gn0: Mine is Windows 7 SP1 on a dual Pentium II at
[4:39] <MY123> 733 MHz.
[4:40] <MY123> gn0: with a massive 512M of RAM.
[4:40] <gn0> why do you do that?
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[4:41] <MY123> gn0: Proof of concept. Just had my old machine unused in 7 years. And tested it.
[4:41] <gn0> ok, that makes more sense actually
[4:42] <gn0> but you can run linux smoothly
[4:42] <gn0> I'll be back, one second
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[4:42] <gn0> Just changed IRC client
[4:43] <MY123> gn0: What IRC client ?
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[4:44] <gn0> hexchat, fork of X-Chat
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[4:51] <gn0> Now is better, it´s themeable :)
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[4:54] <gn0> MY123, looks like BrainFix is pretty simple
[4:55] <DanDare> the little, big screen http://i.imgur.com/emp4klo.jpg
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[4:55] <MY123> gn0: Yes , very simple. Currently developing in full BrainFuck.
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[4:58] <DanDare> whats the name of window manager that pi uses ?
[4:59] <MY123> DanDare: OpenBox
[4:59] <DanDare> nice, thanks. didnt knew this one
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[5:00] <DanDare> finding for some nice X sound mixer in raspbian
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[5:01] <gn0> what are your expectations on the sound mier, DanDare ?
[5:01] <DanDare> gn0, just like alsamixer but for X. with PCM and general sound
[5:01] <DanDare> volume
[5:01] <MY123> DanDare: PulseAudio
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[5:01] <DanDare> apt-cache search mixer | grep openbox says nothing
[5:01] <gn0> PulseAudio has pavucontrol
[5:01] <DanDare> ok, lets check, thanks
[5:02] <gn0> and I think there is an alsamixer-gtk or something like that
[5:02] <DanDare> oh, yeah, i think i remember
[5:03] <DanDare> yeah, alsamixergui
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[5:03] <gn0> that one!
[5:03] <gn0> it´s pretty basic but it can replace alsamixer
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[5:04] <DanDare> tried "espeaker" and i can hear sound, but trying here "radiotray", its not working
[5:04] <gn0> Sorry but I´ve never installed RPi with GUI, I can´t help you in that
[5:04] <DanDare> yeah, for a simple mixer, thats enough
[5:05] <gn0> by curiosity, what are you doing with the RPi? or just playing around?
[5:05] <DanDare> gn0, just playing around. this is just my second day with it
[5:06] <DanDare> didnt tested the HDMI yet. testing sound and composite video today
[5:07] <gn0> what do you think about it? pretty cool, right?
[5:08] <DanDare> gn0, sure its.
[5:09] <DanDare> gn0, its kinda too much leaving a computer 24/7 ON for certain tasks, all the power for little stuff. With pi, this is better
[5:09] <DanDare> and mobility etc
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[5:10] <DanDare> really nice piece of compute
[5:10] <DanDare> r
[5:10] <gn0> I liked it since I saw the project on internet before it was completed
[5:10] <DanDare> cool
[5:10] <gn0> but I bought one when I was playing with some electronic stuff and automation
[5:11] <DanDare> I see
[5:11] <gn0> I think I´ll get back to it when I finish with this period of school when I don´t have much free time
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[5:11] <DanDare> I know how its
[5:11] <gn0> are you studying?
[5:11] <DanDare> i dont have too much time either
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[5:11] <DanDare> or i just sleep less sometimes :)
[5:12] <gn0> I like that but I fìnd very hard to wake up lol
[5:12] <DanDare> yeah, its not good overall anyway
[5:13] <DanDare> i suffer some type of disease. If i start some more complex project, i cant stop until done
[5:14] <DanDare> thats how im actually far from electronics for more than a year... it just requires solid blocks of time
[5:17] <gn0> it´s a tough lover haha
[5:17] <clever> i'm stuck right now on a lack of parts
[5:18] <clever> i know they are in the house, somewhere...
[5:18] <clever> ive checked dozens of boxes...
[5:18] <DanDare> I have a bunch of parts from the last buy waiting for me. barometric sensor, accelerometer and some other stuff
[5:18] <DanDare> gn0, hahah yeah :p
[5:19] <DanDare> clever, its very annoying. maybe worse than not having the part at all :)
[5:19] <gn0> clever, it sucks when that happens. I found once that a couple of transistors where mixed in my underwear. It was itchy
[5:20] <clever> lol
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[5:21] <clever> ive found a whole pack of resistors in one box
[5:21] <clever> 2 packs of transistors in another box
[5:21] <clever> a dozen SSR's
[5:21] <clever> but still no capacitors
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[5:22] <DanDare> well, radiotray kinda worked when I started "jack audio connection kit" and hit play, weird
[5:22] <DanDare> but.. not usable, more gaps than music
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[5:22] <gn0> DanDare, did you googled about it?
[5:23] <clever> DanDare: sounds like you need to increase the jack buffers some more
[5:23] <DanDare> gn0, no.. i have a wheezy box that this app "radiotray" just works, without the need of the QjackCtL
[5:23] <DanDare> clever, ok, will try that thanks
[5:24] <gn0> damn
[5:24] <gn0> guys, I´m going to sleep, I have to wake up early to keep doing some work
[5:25] <DanDare> alright, whats a lightweight, simple to use audio player for raspbian ?
[5:25] <gn0> I´ll be back tomorrow, Goodnight!
[5:25] <DanDare> gn0, have a good night
[5:25] <DanDare> later
[5:25] <gn0> btw, a good audio player would be mplayer
[5:25] <DanDare> ok, thanks !
[5:25] <gn0> it has some gui´s, I´ve always used it on CLI
[5:25] <gn0> bye!
[5:25] <clever> mplayer is good for general music, and i would just use alsa output on the pi
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[5:26] <DanDare> clever, thats what I want also. Not sure why radiotray needs that Qjack thing to work
[5:27] <clever> it might have been set to jack by default
[5:27] <clever> try changing it to alsa maybe?
[5:28] <DanDare> clever, yeah, will check if it has these settings
[5:30] <DanDare> not it doesnt have any settings. Its what I said, i have it on wheezy and it just works without any Jack stuff
[5:30] <clever> it must be a compile time option
[5:31] <clever> and the rasbian maintainer made the choice for you
[5:31] <DanDare> or something else. i installed than unisntalled pulseaudio, maybe it messed with something
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[5:32] <clever> that would likely make things use pulse, not jack
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[5:32] <clever> entirely different protocols
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[5:34] <DanDare> I see
[5:34] <DanDare> im reading stuff on internet about people with same problem
[5:35] <DanDare> the last post says install "apt-get install gstreamer0.10-plugins-bad"
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[5:42] <DanDare> it worked after installing gstreamer for alsa
[5:43] <DanDare> gstreamer0.10-alsa
[5:43] <clever> ah, so that program must be using gstreamer
[5:43] <[Saint]> http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-asia-india-28437829
[5:43] <[Saint]> "India doctors remove 232 teeth from boy's mouth"
[5:43] <clever> and then whatever output formats gstreamer has suppor tfor
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[5:46] <DanDare> clever, sounds like it. It would be a dependence package so... or, not so sure. ..
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[6:44] <RahulAN> Hii all
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[6:48] <RahulAN> any one here?
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[6:57] <RahulAN> gordonDrogon, are you there?
[6:59] <RahulAN> I am using rs232 now to connect fingerprint module/
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[6:59] <RahulAN> but how to set it up seriall?
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[7:58] <[Saint]> RahulAN: your biggest problem isn't connecting the device.
[7:58] <[Saint]> You biggest problem is that you're going to have to write your own client side software before you can even use it.
[7:59] <[Saint]> If you are not capable of doing so, give up now.
[7:59] <RahulAN> [Saint], No, the problem is that i am not having much knowledge of this module.
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[7:59] <RahulAN> So i am confused much
[8:00] <[Saint]> That's *a* problem...but, as stated yesterday, you're going to have to write your own client software for this.
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[8:00] <[Saint]> Connecting the device is only a very small part of the problem.
[8:00] <[Saint]> Once connected, you'll need to write your own software to manage it.
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[8:01] <[Saint]> I imagine that won't be trivial for you given the questions asked prior.
[8:01] <RahulAN> [Saint], I can write the software for it. but i must first get some values atleast which can let me confirm that this device is working
[8:02] <[Saint]> cyclical dependency.
[8:02] <[Saint]> you're unable to do that without first writing the software.
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[8:03] <RahulAN> [Saint], From Tommorow i am trying to connect this device with raspberry pi, and started minicom to test this ttyAM0 but no values i am getting from here
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[8:54] <BlueMint> hello, I'm having a bit of trouble with my NRF24 modules. I am trying to send with a raspberry pi and recieve with an arduino. Here is the code I have, I am currently getting nothing on my arduino's serial output and the RPi seems to be sending everything fine. Anyone got any idea?
[8:57] <BlueMint> Is somebody can help me to get this working I can offer $5 as a little incentive.
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[9:06] <gordonDrogon> how do you know the Pi is sending if you get nothing at the Ardunio end..
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[9:25] <BlueMint> gordonDrogon: it seems to be. It probably is the problem. I think the problem could also be a payload/address/channel error too
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[9:32] <pepijndevos_> Can I read my gmail on a headless raspi without syncing my whole multi-gb imap?
[9:33] <pepijndevos_> Most CLI clients seem to be based on offlineimap syncronizing everything.
[9:35] <x29a> lynx gmail.com ;)
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[9:35] <pepijndevos_> x29a: :( that's cheating. Does that work well?
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[9:37] <x29a> pepijndevos_: i highly doubt it
[9:37] <sandking> hello
[9:37] <sandking> yesterday i got my first Pi and hadn
[9:37] <sandking> time to install os, does booting without os should show something?
[9:37] <sandking> just wanted to check it out what it looks like
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[9:42] <BlueMint> Hi, any chance someone could please translate these Beagle Bone pins to RPi pins for me? (it's under wiring just down the page) https://github.com/jpbarraca/pynrf24
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[10:47] <BlueMint> Hi, any chance someone could please translate these Beagle Bone pins to RPi pins for me? (it's under wiring just down the page) https://github.com/jpbarraca/pynrf24
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[10:51] <gordonDrogon> BlueMint, hi - sorry - went away from breakfast - I've no idea about the BBB. That radio is SPI based though if I recall. Any reason to use it rather than e.g. Ciseco xrf/urf or xbee type radios which use serial?
[10:52] <BlueMint> gordonDrogon: no need to apologise! I just prefer them for their price. I have a task of keeping this product under a certain budget. It is stressing me out way too much though
[10:52] <gordonDrogon> BlueMint, how much is your time worth though :)
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[10:53] <gordonDrogon> I've used the ciseco kit in he past - just about to order up some more for a project to get telemetry back from my garden (60m from the house)
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[10:55] <BlueMint> gordonDrogon: my time is worth none to all. I'm 17, so not like I can get a good job ;) Just this silly bump in the road has kept me stressed for the passed week. Got it working arduino to arduino, but now I need to go RPi to arduino
[10:55] <gordonDrogon> BlueMint, ah, ok :)
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[10:56] <gordonDrogon> BlueMint, did you buy a specific one for the Pi, or just the bare module and hook it up yourself?
[10:56] <BlueMint> gordonDrogon: bare module and just hooked it up my self
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[10:56] <gordonDrogon> got a URL for the one you bought?
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[10:58] <BlueMint> means a lot your helping :) You were actually the one to get my started on RPi about 1 or so years ago. Here's the link; http://www.dx.com/p/nrf24l01-rf-board-b-296420
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[10:59] <gordonDrogon> ok - and you're using the same module at both ends?
[11:00] <BlueMint> gordonDrogon: yep
[11:01] <gordonDrogon> I'll have a quick look at the manual..
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[11:05] <BlueMint> gordonDrogon: if it helps, this is what I have so far; http://paste.ubuntu.com/7846476/
[11:06] <gordonDrogon> it's not the easiest of things to setup..
[11:07] <BlueMint> gordonDrogon: I agree with that 100%
[11:08] <gordonDrogon> BlueMint, and I still don't do Python ... but you're using someone elses library by the looks of it - are there any more examples using that library?
[11:09] <BlueMint> gordonDrogon: main one I am following http://raspberrypi.stackexchange.com/questions/14293/connection-pi-arduino-through-nrf24l01-problem-with-integers
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[11:09] <BlueMint> Not many that use that to go to arduino
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[11:11] <gordonDrogon> the example on the github says you need spidev - I don't see that in your python.
[11:11] <SirLagz> logic check - If i have crontab line with 0 0 * * 0 /script <-- that should only run on a sunday right ?
[11:13] <gordonDrogon> SirLagz, probably.
[11:13] <SirLagz> gordonDrogon: thanks
[11:13] <SirLagz> my brain isn't working too well today =/
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[11:13] <BlueMint> gordonDrogon: the library I am using imports it
[11:13] <gordonDrogon> min, hour, day of month, month, day of week. day 0 or 7 is usually sunday.
[11:13] <gordonDrogon> BlueMint, ok.
[11:14] <gordonDrogon> BlueMint, can you not get that code on stackexchange going at all?
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[11:16] <gordonDrogon> gotta go afk for a while - back later.
[11:16] <BlueMint> gordonDrogon: https://github.com/jpbarraca/pynrf24/blob/master/examples/recv.py ? I have a feeling my pins are wrong
[11:16] <BlueMint> okay stay well, I'll be in in about 2 hours
[11:18] <RahulAN> Hii
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[13:48] <mummson> Greetings!
[13:49] <mummson> my B+ just arrived. Is it ok for me to boot it up on a SD card that I was using on my B, or do I have to create the SD card again?
[13:50] <shiftplusone> mummson, you won't damage it, it's fine
[13:50] <shiftplusone> the worst that can happen is that usb wont work, if your firmware is old.
[13:50] <mummson> and that can be updated with the update tool?
[13:51] <shiftplusone> I think apt-get update; apt-get upgrade; should be fine
[13:51] <shiftplusone> if not, rpi-update
[13:51] <shiftplusone> but that's a bit drastic
[13:51] <mummson> k, I for got my SD card reader at work :/
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[14:00] <gordonDrogon> do the update on your own Pi first though, else the ethernet won't work!
[14:00] <gordonDrogon> s/own/old/
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[14:01] <mummson> ahh.. that's whats up
[14:02] <dunz0r> Anyone have a Banana pi yet?
[14:02] <dunz0r> I'm *this* close to buying one
[14:02] <gordonDrogon> I know someone who has one...
[14:02] <gordonDrogon> and someone emailled me today about getting some code to run on it.
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[14:02] <gordonDrogon> dunz0r, just buy a Pi. 3 million Pi's - 3 banana Pi's.
[14:02] <dunz0r> gordonDrogon: But the pi isn't powerful enough :(
[14:03] <gordonDrogon> then either re-write your code to be more efficient.
[14:03] <dunz0r> I've built myself a little nice retro-gaming-machine, but the pi can't handle playstation-games with 3d.
[14:03] <gordonDrogon> or pick something with good support - I'm not convinced the banana pi has any support right now.
[14:03] <gordonDrogon> maybe you need a playstation for playstation games...
[14:03] <gordonDrogon> call me old fashioned but ...
[14:04] <Armand> lol
[14:04] <gordonDrogon> I have an apple II to play apple II games... http://unicorn.drogon.net/lode.jpg
[14:04] <dunz0r> But then I'd have to get a playstation and not be able to switch between nes/snes/sega/psx/scumm without switching machines.
[14:04] <Armand> dunz0r: Another alt. would be the ODroid U3.
[14:04] <dunz0r> Armand: Oh, haven't looked at those at all. Thanks for the tip.
[14:05] <Armand> I don't think the Banana Pi is really a step up enough to warrant it's existence. :/
[14:05] <dunz0r> Wooha. That is one powerful machine :O
[14:05] <dunz0r> Armand: I found some tests of it against an rPi... totally sweeps the floor with it.
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[14:05] <Armand> http://hardkernel.com/main/products/prdt_info.php?g_code=G140448267127
[14:05] <dunz0r> http://hardware-libre.fr/2014/06/raspberry-vs-banana-hardware-duel/
[14:07] <gordonDrogon> no-one disputes that the Pi isn't the fastest little arm board out there. that's not what the Pi is about.
[14:07] <gordonDrogon> benchamrks like that are pretty pointless.
[14:07] <mgottschlag> I think the banana pi has gbit ethernet though, so the odroid is not better in every regard
[14:07] <Armand> Indeed
[14:08] * mgottschlag just bought an arietta g25 - that one is about half as fast as the pi :D
[14:08] <Armand> That's my one lament with a lot of ARM boards, no gigabit. :/
[14:08] <mgottschlag> although "gigabit" usually means ~500Mbit/s max on these boards
[14:08] <Armand> The ones with tend to be a tad expensive.
[14:08] <gordonDrogon> the power of the Pi comes from the commuinity.. There are many other little ARM boards (and intel,via, etc.) and most of them are pretty good, but the Pi community is just massive.
[14:09] <Armand> mgottschlag: That's still better than the average on a 100Mbp/s. :P
[14:10] <dunz0r> I think the banana-thingie is more or less compatible with Raspbian... heck, I'll just buy one. They're not that expensive, if Retropie doesn't work on it I'll just fix it :)
[14:10] <mgottschlag> dunz0r: I doubt it, it's a totally different system
[14:10] <mgottschlag> Raspbian is compiled for armv6 and is specific to the rpi's boot process
[14:11] <dunz0r> mgottschlag: Well, according to all sources, it boots up just fine.
[14:11] <mgottschlag> the banana pi might run a standard debian
[14:11] <mgottschlag> huh
[14:11] <mgottschlag> and GPIO will be totally different, unless gordonDrogon has ported his lib to allwinner chips
[14:11] <gordonDrogon> not yet.
[14:12] <dunz0r> The banana image even works on model Bs...
[14:12] <gordonDrogon> I did get an email from the banana pi people in .cn - they asked me to - I asked them to send me one - they didn't.
[14:12] <gordonDrogon> so no wiringBananaPi for it.
[14:12] <dunz0r> It seems to be slower in single core applications though.
[14:13] <mgottschlag> slower than the pi? hard to believe
[14:14] <Armand> I would expect that's merely a software issue.
[14:14] <dunz0r> mgottschlag: On single threaded stuff, yes. It's faster on multithreaded stuff though.
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[14:14] <Armand> The bPi is still an immature product.
[14:15] <dunz0r> http://i2.wp.com/hardware-libre.fr/wp-content/uploads/2014/06/sysbench_new.png
[14:15] <dunz0r> Rpi vs bPi, cpubench.
[14:16] <dunz0r> Hmm... I could try overclocking my rPi a bit more before I go and buy some odd chinese board probably
[14:16] <Armand> "They (the developers) are not releasing the code for the kernel that ships with the images. That seems to constitute a GPL violation. To me, that seems to be a hindrance to the development of a community around this hardware and relegates it to just being a novelty."
[14:17] <nid0> if you just want something a bit more powerful than a pi you have about a million other options
[14:17] <dunz0r> Armand: Welp, not buying that one then :)
[14:17] <mgottschlag> dunz0r: yeah, that seems to be due to bad compiler optimization - there is no reason why a 1GHz Cortex A7 should be slower than an 700MHz ARM11
[14:18] <dunz0r> nid0: I know, but it's nice not to have to rebuild the whole retropie-thingie by hand with all the optimisations and such for a new architecture
[14:18] <mgottschlag> and a speedup >3 just due to *two* threads is weird as well, there's something wrong with the benchmark or with the OS
[14:18] <dunz0r> Hehe, probably :)
[14:22] <dunz0r> I could of course fork the retropie-project and build it for x86 or something.
[14:22] <dunz0r> But I like the rPi. It's so small and handy.
[14:24] <mummson> I just bought this case http://i.imgur.com/hJZz1OX.png and I am confused about the third hole is for?
[14:25] <dunz0r> mummson: Status LEDs?
[14:25] <Armand> Poking with sticks
[14:26] <mummson> dunz0r: those aer on the the other side
[14:26] <dunz0r> Ah. Camera connector maybe?
[14:26] <mummson> there is a small slot just above for the camera cable :)
[14:27] <mummson> ahh.. the camera module might fit into the other slot
[14:27] <mummson> ill have to try it
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[14:33] <steve_rox> looks like something a ribbon cable would go thu
[14:34] <mummson> jeah you can fit the module there so it's facign forward rather than upward
[14:34] <mummson> and you can also screw it inside of the case (facing upward) it's quite lever I must say
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[14:55] <pepijndevos_> Where do I buy these 4-pole jack plugs? I tried some local stores, but get very puzzeled looks. This connector is not an improvement IMO.
[14:56] <gordonDrogon> pepijndevos_, for the audio & video?
[14:57] <gordonDrogon> pepijndevos_, http://www.maplin.co.uk/p/nikkai-connect-camcorder-cable-panasonic-3m-l52ba
[14:57] <pepijndevos_> gordonDrogon: yes. Not that I'm interested in the video, but it creates a lot of noise on th audio port
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[15:00] <gordonDrogon> not 100% sure that would be the right cable though - the socket appears to be L, R, Gnd, Video from the tip up ...
[15:02] <gordonDrogon> there's a few on amazon - e.g. http://www.amazon.co.uk/Lindy-35539-Adapter-Stereo-Composite/dp/B00062UE3K/ref=pd_cp_ce_3 but they don't give the pinnout.
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[15:04] <gordonDrogon> I don't think it'll be long before the usual Pi shops are selling the right cables though.
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[15:18] <[Saint]> 36.97% comment, 63.03% code.
[15:18] <[Saint]> can't tell if bad or good.
[15:18] <shiftplusone> depends on the comments, I suppose
[15:18] * pksato (~PEBKAC@unaffiliated/pksato) Quit (Quit: Problem Exists Between Keyboard And Chair)
[15:18] <shiftplusone> well, and the code
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[15:19] * [Saint] thanks Wolphram Alpha for trivially spitting out the ratio of code vs. comment/newline
[15:19] <[Saint]> (and giving me a nice pie graph, and a cool little chart...)
[15:19] <[Saint]> Thanks, ants. Thants.
[15:20] <[Saint]> http://www.youtube.com/v/9jtU9BbReQk
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[15:22] <shiftplusone> Matt has introduced me to the wonders of Look Around You a while back. Thanks Matt
[15:22] <shiftplusone> Thatt >.>
[15:22] <[Saint]> Its great. :)
[15:23] <shiftplusone> apart from the last episodes
[15:23] <shiftplusone> those are meh
[15:23] <[Saint]> Yeah. They ran out of money.
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[15:30] <[Saint]> DANGER HELVETICA
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[15:49] <ShorTie> what is this all about ??
[15:49] <ShorTie> GDBus.Error:org.freedesktop.PolicyKit1.Error.Failed: An authentication agent already exists for the given subject
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[16:31] <Matt> shiftplusone: :D
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[16:47] <decached> Can I use Noobs lite with Raspbian image? (I don't want to download the complete Noobs setup and don't want to install raspbian directly)
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[16:49] <shiftplusone> nope
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[17:06] <flexo_> hey. i previously used a model b with a custom kernel (for builtin btrfs and dmcrypt via initramdisk) ... swapped the sd card into the b+ (why the heck does it still overlap? although it's besser than before :) ...
[17:06] <flexo_> ... normal that usb and eth didn't work anymore? new controller?
[17:06] <shiftplusone> different circuitry
[17:06] <shiftplusone> need newer firmware
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[17:11] <flexo_> shiftplusone: firmware and drivers?
[17:11] <shiftplusone> just firmware should be fine
[17:13] <flexo_> can i do that by rpi-update?
[17:14] <flexo_> eh
[17:14] <edjuh> btrfs is a good tip
[17:14] <flexo_> stupid question :)
[17:14] <flexo_> hm
[17:14] <flexo_> can i rpi-update with the old pi
[17:14] <shiftplusone> rpi-update will work, but you may want to use the skip kernel option
[17:14] <shiftplusone> yes
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[17:18] <flexo___> sorry, having server troubles :)
[17:18] <shiftplusone> <shiftplusone> rpi-update will work, but you may want to use the skip kernel option
[17:18] <shiftplusone> <shiftplusone> yes
[17:18] <flexo___> yea,i got that
[17:18] <flexo___> and then i got an error from rpi-update
[17:19] <shiftplusone> what kind?
[17:19] <flexo___> wait i sec
[17:19] <flexo___> i believe it was just due to the download connection being reset
[17:19] <shiftplusone> Nice to see roman numerals making a comeback
[17:19] <flexo___> *** Raspberry Pi firmware updater by Hexxeh, enhanced by AndrewS and Dom
[17:19] <flexo___> ^ that's okay?
[17:19] <shiftplusone> that's fine
[17:20] <flexo___> *** If no errors appeared, your firmware was successfully updated to cfd9a203590737f9536de70a1e01db25a3e8e069
[17:20] <flexo___> by the way
[17:20] <flexo___> i had some problems with my previous pi
[17:20] <flexo___> had a powered hub attached
[17:20] <flexo___> there an usb3 1tb disk
[17:20] <flexo___> three wlan adapters
[17:21] <flexo___> one with a 5x signal strengh booster
[17:21] <flexo___> cpu overclocked to 800mhz
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[17:21] <flexo___> heatsinks attached
[17:21] <flexo___> usb powered fan attached
[17:21] <flexo___> cpu usage was always at 100%
[17:21] <shiftplusone> ... =|
[17:22] <flexo___> temperature stable at 36-37 deg cel
[17:22] <flexo___> all voltages stable
[17:22] <flexo___> but every once in a while it froze
[17:22] <flexo___> when i hotswapped an usb device there was a 50:50 chance that it would freeze every time
[17:23] <flexo___> without all that usb stuff attached (and cpu still at 100%) it was 100% stable. uptime of several months.
[17:23] <shiftplusone> should snip the 5v line in the cable going from the pi to the hub
[17:23] <flexo___> ... my thinking exactly ...
[17:23] <shiftplusone> as for the 100% cpu, top should tell you what's up
[17:23] <flexo___> no that was fine
[17:23] <flexo___> that was just openvpn, airodump, aircrack, reaver and other stuff :)
[17:24] <shiftplusone> what was fine?
[17:24] <flexo___> of course i'm doing authorized penetration testing.
[17:24] <flexo___> well
[17:24] <flexo___> it was to be expected
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[17:24] <flexo___> i pushed quite some traffic through openvpn all the time
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[17:24] <flexo___> and the pi has no crypto processor..
[17:24] <shiftplusone> ah, okay
[17:24] <shiftplusone> yeah, that'll do it
[17:24] <shiftplusone> and many wifi dongles don't do hw decryption, so the kernel ends up doing it for you, which doesn't help
[17:25] <flexo___> and sniffing from 3 wlan devices, each with quite big directional antennas... well, processing all that bandwidth also takes cputime
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[17:25] <flexo___> but i don't mind about the cpu
[17:25] <flexo___> i was hoping that the b+ might be more stable concerning voltage issues on the usb side?
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[17:26] <shiftplusone> very much so
[17:26] <flexo___> haha, funny thing
[17:26] <flexo___> when i move it to portable mode
[17:26] <shiftplusone> I had issues plugging my wifi dongle into my powered hub on a b. Can hotplug stuff all day on the B+ without any issues
[17:26] <flexo___> so i attach a portable usb battery
[17:26] <flexo___> with 3 slots
[17:26] <flexo___> one for the pi
[17:26] <flexo___> and an y-cable, so another to power the wifi antenna
[17:27] <flexo___> .... the pi powers up even when i don't attach anything to it's power plug
[17:27] <nid0> yes, thats normal
[17:27] <flexo___> that's... scary
[17:28] <shiftplusone> but also confirms that your hub is crap
[17:28] <flexo___> true
[17:28] <flexo___> well no
[17:28] <flexo___> in that case it wasn't the hup
[17:28] <flexo___> it was just an y-cable, a wifi adapter and the battery
[17:28] <shiftplusone> ah yeah
[17:28] <flexo___> still, the pi shouldn't draw voltage from that direction IMHO
[17:29] <flexo___> and maybe you are right and I should cut that line just in case
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[17:40] <flexo___> hm.. that worked... somewhat....
[17:40] <flexo___> during bootup it detected my usb hup (and it looked like also the attached devices)
[17:40] <flexo___> for a second my keyboard worked
[17:41] <flexo___> also looked like it detected the network adapter
[17:41] <flexo___> but then everything went dark again
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[17:42] <flexo___> Jul 24 17:29:33 zincshark kernel: [ 8.189204] bcm2708-i2s bcm2708-i2s.0: Failed to create debugfs directory
[17:42] <flexo___> Jul 24 17:29:33 zincshark kernel: [ 8.691516] usb 1-1: USB disconnect, device number 2
[17:42] <flexo___> Jul 24 17:29:33 zincshark kernel: [ 8.698176] usb 1-1.1: USB disconnect, device number 3
[17:42] <flexo___> Jul 24 17:29:33 zincshark kernel: [ 8.719761] smsc95xx 1-1.1:1.0 eth0: unregister 'smsc95xx' usb-bcm2708_usb-1.1, smsc95xx USB 2.0 Ethernet
[17:42] <flexo___> etc.
[17:43] <flexo___> some milliseconds after it registered everything
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[17:46] <flexo___> let's retry with just the keyboard attached.
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[17:49] <shiftplusone> what power supply is on the hub?
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[17:49] <Tachyon`> that's a power issue I think, aye
[17:50] <Tachyon`> seen it here
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[17:52] <flexo___> same problem - just happens much fast
[17:53] <flexo___> http://pastie.org/9417864
[17:53] <flexo___> ^ dmesg with everything attached
[17:53] <flexo___> http://pastie.org/9417866
[17:53] <flexo___> ^ dmesg with just the keyboard attached
[17:53] <flexo___> any clue?
[17:54] <flexo___> and can i connect through a serial port?
[17:54] <flexo___> i don't have specific pi hardware
[17:54] <flexo___> but i have this multi.. tool.. thing... which can be attachedn from serial at various voltage levels to i2c to whatever..
[17:55] <flexo___> note that i am still using my old kernel
[17:56] <flexo___> 3.10.28dev3+
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[17:56] <flexo___> there are no changes to the usb driver, no?
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[18:01] <flexo___> well
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[18:01] <flexo___> the fact that disconnects happen only after everything is initialized strongly suggests a software issue i guess
[18:03] <flexo___> sheesh i should really be working .. as in .. doing the stuff i get paid for :)
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[18:04] <flexo___> where can i find b+ sd card images which should just work out of the box? just to rule out hardware issues?
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[18:06] <shiftplusone> flexo___, download raspbian from the raspberrypi.org download page
[18:07] <flexo___> looked there - doesn't say what it's compatible with..
[18:07] <nid0> all images are compatible with all pis
[18:08] <flexo___> my image is not compatible with b+ :)
[18:08] <flexo___> but okay, thanks
[18:08] <nid0> all current images are compatible with all pis.
[18:08] <nid0> if yours isnt, update it
[18:08] <flexo___> tried that
[18:08] <flexo___> see my problems above
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[18:09] <flexo___> unfortunately i can't use rpi-update's kernel
[18:09] <flexo___> as i guess that one doesn't support btrfs..
[18:10] <flexo___> (which, might i remark, is stupid - for a device which is powered off by pulling an usb cable btrfs is basically a necessity and should be the default fs)
[18:10] <flexo___> i trashed 3 or 4 ext4 filesystems before i made my own kernel..
[18:11] <flexo___> especially given the nice extra feature that you can make a life backup of your running pi
[18:11] <flexo___> *live
[18:11] <flexo___> that being said
[18:11] <flexo___> i tried other hardware.
[18:11] <nid0> whats wrong with shutting it down before powering it off?
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[18:12] <flexo___> nid0: usually you don't have a keyboard attached. no screen. maybe you messed up the network configuration
[18:12] <flexo___> i _always_ plug the cable
[18:12] <flexo___> and due to btrfs it is perfectely safe :)
[18:12] <flexo___> i kinda like that
[18:12] <nid0> dont mess up network configs when your only connection to the pi is via network then :)
[18:13] <flexo___> no data corruption
[18:13] <flexo___> no broken systems
[18:13] <bsch00> except yours right now
[18:13] <flexo___> which is not related to the filesystem at all.
[18:13] <flexo___> well.
[18:13] <bsch00> was your kernel built before or after http://www.raspberrypi.org/forums/viewtopic.php?t=70437
[18:13] <flexo___> before
[18:13] <flexo___> need to rebuild then?
[18:14] <bsch00> if you're having usb issues I suggest you try with the stock kernel and a regular filesystem first, then go on to more esoteric configurations
[18:14] <flexo___> my rootfs is on btrfs, can't do stock kernel
[18:14] <flexo___> but i'll recompile a new one
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[18:14] <flexo___> btrfs is even included in the modules in initrd
[18:14] <bsch00> it'll be much easier to get support with a stock kernel
[18:14] <flexo___> but for some reason things didn't work back then
[18:15] <flexo___> bsch00: i need btrfs. i really do.
[18:15] <flexo___> maybe i'll look into the initramfs problems
[18:15] <james_olympus> I've been using Tiny Core Linux for embedded Pi's. It has a read only root filesystem, so can tolerate being unplugged without shutting down.
[18:15] <flexo___> james_olympus: alright. ro root is fine of course.
[18:15] <mummson> i accidentally the whole blue thing that came with my Pi Noir
[18:15] <flexo___> about the other question
[18:15] <flexo___> is there some serial port on the b+?
[18:16] <mummson> where can I buy a new one?
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[18:17] <james_olympus> flexo___: Do you mean a serial port not present on the model B?
[18:17] <flexo___> james_olympus: i'm asking if there is one - on b+
[18:17] <flexo___> i have no idea where it would be on either
[18:17] <james_olympus> There are a few, you can use the UART port for a serial terminal
[18:18] <bsch00> http://elinux.org/RPi_Serial_Connection
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[18:19] <flexo___> i'm sure my thingie can read that
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[18:20] <james_olympus> You can disable the login prompt and use the UART device for any purpose by reading/writing /dev/ttyAMA0
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[18:24] <flexo___> where are those pins on the b+?
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[18:24] <steve_rox> their there somewhere
[18:24] <flexo___> okay ;)
[18:24] <steve_rox> hehe
[18:25] <steve_rox> www.raspberrypi-spy.co.uk/2014/07/raspberry-pi-b-gpio-header-details-and-pinout/
[18:25] <steve_rox> i found that today
[18:25] <steve_rox> might help you one day
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[18:25] <flexo___> thanks :)
[18:26] <james_olympus> Pins 8 an 10 are UART TX and RX
[18:26] <flexo___> and sorry for all the questions i could google myself
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[18:27] <james_olympus> Oh, I found the default baud rate too high (perhaps the wires I used were too long). Changing 115200 to 9600 everywhere was sufficient
[18:28] <steve_rox> im still waiting to find a paper case for rpi to use its template as a guide
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[18:28] <steve_rox> material seems limited at moment
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[18:28] <james_olympus> There's a Raspberry Pi Punnet somewhere... http://www.raspberrypi.org/the-punnet-a-card-case-for-you-to-print-for-free/
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[18:29] <flexo___> oh, what about that display plug on the b+
[18:29] <steve_rox> i need it to work with the b+ layout
[18:29] <flexo___> i suppose that's intended for small (touch?) displays?
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[18:30] <james_olympus> The foundation is planning a screen that will use the connector on the board, last I read it wouldn't be a touch screen
[18:30] <steve_rox> i rember reading it was touch
[18:30] <steve_rox> maybe they will have 2 versions
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[18:33] <steve_rox> im not too crazy about touchscreenss
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[18:34] <steve_rox> rawrrrrrr
[18:34] <steve_rox> haha
[18:34] <Armand> Uhh ohh..
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[18:34] <steve_rox> :-D
[18:35] <james_olympus> I received an Adafruit touchscreen in the post yesterday. Still has the protective film on it
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[18:35] <steve_rox> keep on long as possiblew
[18:35] <steve_rox> nice to have some protection on it
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[18:42] <flexo_> fetch the new firmware
[18:42] <flexo_> -line
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[18:43] <flexo_> ah
[18:43] <flexo_> bus pirate
[18:43] <flexo_> that's the name
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[18:56] <ThursDave> hi folks
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[18:58] <ShorTie> Hi
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[19:00] <lost_soul> is anyone using the new beta version of openelec (4.2 beta 1) on the Pi?
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[19:05] <ring0> no
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[19:11] <flexo__> would i expect to see anything on the UART when i power it on without any microsd card attached?
[19:12] <ShorTie> nop
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[19:12] <flexo__> ah okay
[19:12] <ShorTie> gotta have a sdcard to do anything
[19:12] <flexo__> i guess my bus pirate probably works then :)
[19:12] <flexo__> do i have to have tx attached?
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[19:12] <flexo__> or is rx+gnd enough?
[19:13] <ShorTie> guess it would depend on what cha gonna do
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[19:14] <flexo__> well, while trying to figure out to connect which probe to which pin it would be easier if there were just two probes to attach to :)
[19:15] <flexo__> looks gut
[19:15] <flexo__> good
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[19:15] <flexo__> ��!
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[19:15] <flexo__> ��!
[19:15] <flexo__> not quite what i expected
[19:15] <flexo__> but i guess i hit the right pin :)
[19:15] <ShorTie> check your baud rate
[19:15] <flexo__> yea
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[19:17] <ShorTie> it is designed by defualt to be hooked up to a monitor i believe
[19:17] <flexo__> what do you mean by monitor?
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[19:17] <ShorTie> crt type thing
[19:17] <flexo__> o.o
[19:17] <flexo__> i don't get you
[19:18] <ShorTie> display
[19:18] <flexo__> virtual terminal
[19:19] <flexo__> console
[19:19] <flexo__> getty
[19:19] <ShorTie> ya, getty
[19:20] <flexo__> lookgs good
[19:20] <flexo__> UART>(2)
[19:20] <flexo__> Raw UART input
[19:20] <flexo__> Any key to exit
[19:20] <flexo__> Uncompressing Linux... done, booting the kernel.
[19:20] <flexo__> [ 0.000000] Booting Linux on physical CPU 0x0
[19:20] <flexo__> [ 0.000000] Initializing cgroup subsys cpu
[19:20] <flexo__> :)
[19:20] <flexo__> raspberrypi login:
[19:20] <flexo__> raspberrypi login:
[19:20] <ShorTie> now you need the other pin, hehe.
[19:21] <flexo__> yep
[19:21] <flexo__> just realized that
[19:21] <flexo__> wondered why it didn't work ;)
[19:21] <flexo__> i love that bus pirate thing
[19:21] <flexo__> eh
[19:21] <flexo__> just connected it
[19:21] <flexo__> and it works
[19:21] <flexo__> pi@raspberrypi:~$ ifconfig
[19:21] <flexo__> eth0 Link encap:Ethernet HWaddr b8:27:eb:7b:d0:ba UP BROADCAST MULTICAST MTU:1500 Metric:1 RX packets:0 errors:0 dropped:0 overruns:0 frame:0 TX packets:0 errors:0 dropped:0 overruns:0 carrier:0 collisions:0 txqueuelen:1000 RX bytes:0 (0.0 B) TX bytes:0 (0.0 B)
[19:21] <flexo__> so
[19:21] <flexo__> the hardware is fine
[19:22] <flexo__> and i learned how to use my bus pirate
[19:22] <flexo__> now i guess I'll need to compile a new kernel
[19:22] <flexo__> i wonder
[19:22] <flexo__> is there another bus where i can monitor uboot?
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[19:23] <flexo__> there is an i2c bus
[19:23] <MY123> flexo__: There is two I2C busses on a Pi.
[19:24] <MY123> *three but one is for the RPi Camera.
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[19:24] <flexo__> okay this is definitely cool
[19:24] <flexo__> i love this toy
[19:24] <flexo__> especially given the fact that it all works over a (usb) serial console
[19:25] <flexo__> the bus pirate i mean
[19:25] <flexo__> so i could now attach more probes
[19:25] <flexo__> and toggle between the uart console and i2c :)
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[19:26] <flexo__> but i guess i'll really have to do that stuff i get paid for now :(
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[19:28] <lost_soul> what is it you get paid to do?
[19:29] <flexo__> used to be aerospace... now it's railway stuff.
[19:29] <flexo__> still. no boring financial database things :)
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[19:32] <gordonDrogon> railway stuff... had my share of that in recent years.
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[19:36] <flexo__> unfortunately i really don't feel like doing that
[19:37] <flexo__> implementing a networked publish/subscribe thingie with extra features
[19:37] <flexo__> .... want to get new pi to run ...
[19:37] <flexo__> hm. coffee first.
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[19:37] <ThursDave> coffeeeee <3
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[20:01] <mr_yogurt> Can a raspberry pi stream live video over the internet from the camera module?
[20:01] <shiftplusone> mr_yogurt, yes
[20:01] <mr_yogurt> Could I use a raspberry pi to build a quadcopter?
[20:02] <shiftplusone> not a good one
[20:02] <mr_yogurt> What makes a raspberry pi quadcopter crappy?
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[20:03] <shiftplusone> It's relatively heavy and real-time control may be a little tricky in some cases
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[20:03] <shiftplusone> A compute module or an A+ (not out yet) might be interesting in a quadcopter, but I think there are better platforms
[20:05] <mr_yogurt> Those aren't problems. I intend to build an autonomous one (if possible. some people are skeptical). Also, I'm pretty sure bigger quadcopters can carry 2 oz of computer.
[20:06] <mr_yogurt> Could I hook a raspberry pi up to a piksi?
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[20:06] <winlu> not having realtime will be a problem
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[20:07] <mr_yogurt> Wait. I might have misunderstood what you meant by lack of real time control. The raspberry pi will not be able to control the rotors in real time or I can't control the raspberry pi in real time?
[20:08] <mr_yogurt> The first could definitely be an issue, but not the second.
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[20:10] <flexo_> okay
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[20:10] <flexo_> the new firmware seems to properly support initramfs (i last tried 18 months ago)
[20:10] <flexo_> using stock kernel with btrfs in initrd now
[20:10] <flexo_> everything works
[20:10] <flexo_> except one small detail
[20:10] <flexo_> ... my keyboard
[20:11] <flexo_> [ 137.148955] usb 1-1.3: Product: Ruffian6_x Kbrd v3_xx
[20:11] <flexo_> [ 137.148969] usb 1-1.3: Manufacturer: Unicomp Inc
[20:11] <flexo_> [ 137.163516] usbhid 1-1.3:1.0: can't add hid device: -32
[20:11] <flexo_> [ 137.163595] usbhid: probe of 1-1.3:1.0 failed with error -32
[20:11] <flexo_> [ 137.164105] usb 1-1.3: USB disconnect, device number 9
[20:11] <flexo_> [ 137.148955] usb 1-1.3: Product: Ruffian6_x Kbrd v3_xx
[20:11] <flexo_> [ 137.148969] usb 1-1.3: Manufacturer: Unicomp Inc
[20:11] <flexo_> [ 137.163516] usbhid 1-1.3:1.0: can't add hid device: -32
[20:11] <flexo_> [ 137.163595] usbhid: probe of 1-1.3:1.0 failed with error -32
[20:11] <flexo_> [ 137.164105] usb 1-1.3: USB disconnect, device number 9
[20:12] <flexo_> ... but I have a serial console instead ;)
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[20:12] <flexo_> i suppose that's even better
[20:12] <flexo_> even more blinking lights
[20:12] <mr_yogurt> shiftplusone, what exactly did you mean by lack of real time control?
[20:13] <flexo_> so let's see if this is stable now
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[20:15] <gordonDrogon> mr_yogurt, he means that there are things that happen behind the scenes on a Pi that you have little control over.
[20:16] <gordonDrogon> e.g. Linux - task switching, but even behind that there are things like the memory & video refresh.
[20:16] <gordonDrogon> it can be done - and has been done, but even though it's a much faster processor than e.g. an AVR it has the potential to not be as real-time capable.
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[20:17] <mr_yogurt> Maybe I should go the arduino route. The problem is connecting said arduino to the internet. A raspberry pi would be much easier to connect to the internet.
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[20:18] <gordonDrogon> indeed
[20:18] <MY123> mr_yogurt: Did you try Linux-RT on the Raspberry Pi ?
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[20:18] <gordonDrogon> however the Arducopter mega isn't connected to the 'net.
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[20:19] <mr_yogurt> I don't own a raspberry pi. I'm asking questions before I do anything so I don't end up with stuff I can't use.
[20:19] <gordonDrogon> what you can do is use the Pi as a more inteligent base station - so establish a good telemetry link and use the Pi to visualise and send position correction information.
[20:19] <gordonDrogon> or even put a B+ on the 'copter - use the ATmega for the real-time control.
[20:20] <mr_yogurt> The reason I'd like to use the internet is that I could control the quadcopter from anywhere with 3g.
[20:20] <mr_yogurt> And stream live video over said internet (which would probably need 4g, though)
[20:21] <gordonDrogon> 3g has somewhat high latency and operating a quad that's out of visual sight is now illegal in most places anyway..
[20:21] <mr_yogurt> ...crap
[20:21] <mr_yogurt> I know there's latency. That's why I want to make it autonomous. So all it has to know is where it's supposed to go
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[20:21] <gordonDrogon> I did a lot of work on a UAV base a few years back ... it was all good stuff, but the people providing the money pulled out )-:
[20:22] <mr_yogurt> How can I find out where it's illegal to control a quadcopter out of sight and where it isn't?
[20:22] <gordonDrogon> depends on your country - UK or US is now a no-no
[20:23] <mr_yogurt> Where can I find the exact rules?
[20:23] <gordonDrogon> unless you're outside the law - like a cop...
[20:23] <mr_yogurt> I'm in the US but is it a state thing or a nationwide thing?
[20:23] <gordonDrogon> CAA in the UK, FAA in the US.
[20:23] <gordonDrogon> there was something recently about the US - and it's scuppered amazons plans to use a UAV to deliver parcels (although I really don't know how serous they were about that)
[20:24] <gordonDrogon> I'm in the UK.
[20:25] <mr_yogurt> Looks like you need to get a certificate if you want to do UAV stuff in the US as a civilian.
[20:26] <Armand> The core intent is to prevent Joe Public from counter-spying.
[20:26] <Armand> Coz, you're not allowed to watch the watchers, right?
[20:27] <lost_soul> that wouldn't surprise me
[20:27] <mr_yogurt> So if I want to fly my quadcopter around where I can't see it I have to get a license or certificate or something complicated.
[20:27] <mr_yogurt> Although they probably can't do much about it if I'm on private property
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[20:32] <mr_yogurt> Maybe I'll have an arduino along with the Raspberry Pi, and connect the GPS to the arduino and the internet and camera to the raspberry pi. Connect the raspberry pi to the arduino to give commands to tell it where to go.
[20:34] <mr_yogurt> Do any of you have experience with the piksi?
[20:34] <gordonDrogon> you might want to go & lookup the arducopter project - they have solved a lot of the issues - like building a controller board and so on. My project was to designe everything from scratch, software & hardware.
[20:34] <mr_yogurt> I've seen the arducopter
[20:36] <mr_yogurt> How did that project of designing everything from scratch go, gordonDrogon?
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[20:47] <gordonDrogon> well - it got to the stage where I'd simulated everything, written a load of AVR code and needed more money to start on the hardware - and at that point the money stopped...
[20:49] <gordonDrogon> technically I'm still under NDA about it - although they've done a bit of a runner on my, however I'll wait until middle of next year when the NDA has expired then I might do something with it all mysefl.
[20:50] <mr_yogurt> The problem is that if I were to do this it would probably cost me upwards of $2,000 - money which I can't spend
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[20:50] <gordonDrogon> yea - hardware starts to cost - expensive airframes, the motors, LiPos ... bin liners ...
[20:51] <mr_yogurt> Maybe if I find enough friends who think it's cool. The problem is I don't have any friends, let alone friends with money.
[20:52] <gordonDrogon> the system we were looking at was for very high definition photos & video - the control system had to survive loss of a single motor - or at least do a "controlled crash".. So I was looking at Hex and Octo platforms.
[20:52] <mr_yogurt> How hard is it for drone AI to deal with wind?
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[20:53] <gordonDrogon> it's not hard - as wind input just affects the dead reckoning positioning systems (accelerometers, gyros)
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[20:54] <mr_yogurt> I talked with some people at #arduino and there was one guy who was insisting this is the type of thing only large companies and governments could do properly.
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[20:55] <gordonDrogon> maybe he has a vested interest in a large company/government :)
[20:55] <gordonDrogon> we were more woried about keeping the camera platform steady.
[20:56] <mr_yogurt> I just need a cheap camera to see exactly where the drone is
[20:56] <mr_yogurt> Or, what the drone sees
[20:56] <gordonDrogon> and the 5.8GHz link back to your base...
[20:56] <gordonDrogon> brb sorting the laser
[20:56] <Armand> Pew, pew!
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[20:58] <mr_yogurt> The problem with using a piksi is that a piksi needs a base station to get cm accuracy. The question is, can I use another quadcopter as a base station?
[20:58] <gordonDrogon> yea - or in this case wheeeeeow wheeeeeow wheeeeeow
[20:58] <mr_yogurt> I doubt it
[20:59] <gordonDrogon> (rasterising some text onto wood)
[21:00] <gordonDrogon> http://swift-nav.com/piksi.html that piksi ?
[21:00] <mr_yogurt> That piksi.
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[21:03] <mr_yogurt> Do you know of a better solution than that for accurate GPS or have you not heard of it before?
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[21:04] <gordonDrogon> it's er... expensive!
[21:05] <mr_yogurt> Can you find a cheaper GPS with centimeter accuracy?
[21:05] <gordonDrogon> probably not.
[21:05] <gordonDrogon> although I'm not sure how much a standard differential gps system is these days.
[21:05] <mr_yogurt> That's why I want to use the piksi (if only I was rich)
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[21:06] <mr_yogurt> From what it looks like I can have two identical quadcopters, each using the other as a base station.
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[21:07] <mr_yogurt> I should put a battery in a glass of water for a week and see what happens.
[21:09] <mr_yogurt> How will I hook up a raspberry pi to 4g cell towers?
[21:09] <mr_yogurt> Or 3g ones.
[21:09] <flexo_> looks _much_ better concerning stability and usb plug and play
[21:10] <flexo_> i've pretty much done every stupid thing one could do with usb
[21:10] <flexo_> and the pi still lives
[21:10] <shiftplusone> flexo_, what was the issue?
[21:10] <flexo_> shiftplusone: freezes, all the time
[21:10] <flexo_> now i just need a EM-RasPI B enclosure for the B+ :(
[21:11] <flexo_> i hope they come up with one soon
[21:11] <shiftplusone> ah, I thought you fixed the issue and was wondering how
[21:11] <flexo_> shiftplusone: well, i'm not 100% sure why..
[21:11] <flexo_> i'm using a new kernel with some usb fixes - which might have fixes the issued
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[21:12] <MY123> Why is there an AES256 implementation in the firmware?
[21:12] <gordonDrogon> mr_yogurt, 3/4g usb dongle
[21:12] <flexo_> and i'm using b+ which has improved circuitry - could also have been improved that
[21:12] <flexo_> MY123: huh? there is?
[21:12] <flexo_> is it worth anything?
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[21:13] <flexo_> (i'm running openvpn on my pi which burns a lot of cycles.. i'd love to reduce that)
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[21:14] <MY123> flexo_: There is an AES-256 implementation in the start.elf but WHY?
[21:14] <MY123> (question to BCM corporation)
[21:14] <flexo_> ah. so no use to me then
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[21:15] <MY123> flexo_: You can try to use it but you have to develop some code.
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[21:16] <MY123> That implementation was included for Secure Boot support and HDCP. Two things as bad as hell.
[21:17] <kuplatupsu> Hello people. Just got my b+ and camera, and was playing with raspivid. Is --vectors supposed to work? I only get an empty file.
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[21:18] <shiftplusone> kuplatupsu, if you don't find out by tomorrow, I can take a look.
[21:19] <kuplatupsu> shiftplusone: ok, that sounds good
[21:20] <kuplatupsu> I do get 'Opening imv output file "foo.txt"' print when running with verbose flag, but the file is still empty
[21:20] <MY123> shiftplusone: Why is Secure Boot support included in the Raspi firmware ? The worst thing included in a pseudo-open platform ever.
[21:20] <kuplatupsu> But it does always create the file, so it's trying to do something
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[21:27] <mr_yogurt> It probably would be easier to buy a quadcopter and then hack my own computers into it.
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[21:31] <kuplatupsu> I guess next-branch is dead in raspberrypi/userland repository
[21:32] <shiftplusone> not much use for it right now
[21:32] <shiftplusone> same with firmware's next branch
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[21:34] <kuplatupsu> oh, raspivid is in firmware
[21:35] <kuplatupsu> and only a binary?
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[21:35] <MY123> kuplatupsu: There is its source code in userland.
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[21:35] <DoctorPenguin> Point of note: go figure the rasp pi can't handle the voltage of a mini usb wifi connector. (I found out why the pi intermittently decides to cut power)
[21:36] <shiftplusone> current
[21:36] <shiftplusone> b or b+ ?
[21:36] <DoctorPenguin> b
[21:36] <MY123> DoctorPenguin: Which Pi?
[21:36] <kuplatupsu> oh ok, good, that was my initial impression, but then I say those binaries in firmware, and also apt-get source libraspberrypi-bin says Picking 'raspberrypi-firmware' as source package instead of 'libraspberrypi-bin'
[21:36] <kuplatupsu> MY123 ^
[21:37] <DoctorPenguin> I thought the overclocking was doing something to the pi
[21:37] <DoctorPenguin> it wasn't
[21:37] <DoctorPenguin> MY123... mupen64plus needs overclocking to even be able to make it playable /w the pi b
[21:37] <MY123> DoctorPenguin: How many USB ports is there ?
[21:37] <DoctorPenguin> 2 on the b and 4 on the b+
[21:38] <DoctorPenguin> but, 2 + 4 on the hub == 6
[21:38] <DoctorPenguin> or 8 on the b+
[21:38] <MY123> DoctorPenguin: On which Pi, there is a problem ?
[21:38] <DoctorPenguin> but, the voltage it can supply to anything is minimal I've found
[21:38] <DoctorPenguin> theres no problem
[21:38] <shiftplusone> *current
[21:38] <shiftplusone> and yes, the b is designed for a mouse and keyboard
[21:39] <DoctorPenguin> idk, it just seems like a nice footnote in the faq
[21:39] <MY123> shiftplusone: Is HDCP enabled on a Raspberry Pi ?
[21:39] <DoctorPenguin> define(hdcp)
[21:39] <MY123> DoctorPenguin: High Definition Content Protection
[21:40] <DoctorPenguin> idk
[21:40] <DoctorPenguin> is that in raspi-config?
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[21:40] <DoctorPenguin> I just have my disk mounted as an extra for all my roms and for a samba and printer share
[21:41] <DoctorPenguin> an external I got on black friday last yr
[21:41] <DoctorPenguin> 1 tb for like 50 bucks.. I think it was regularly one hundred sum
[21:42] <MY123> DoctorPenguin: No, just wondering, it is a confusing thing for noobs , don't try to learn it or you will hate that. (HDCP)
[21:42] <kuplatupsu> I think I need to set up a cross compiler, compiling on Pi is pretty slow.
[21:43] <kuplatupsu> Or would it make sense to try to run similar environment inside a virtual computer or emulator?
[21:43] <DoctorPenguin> I'm new to raspi pi but, not computers. I remember when I met Richard Stallman as a kid and Linus Torvalds. I had them sign my gnu
[21:43] <DoctorPenguin> I've never heard of hdcp but, it sounds terrible
[21:43] <DoctorPenguin> samba was very hard to learn to configure for linux
[21:44] <DoctorPenguin> for me personally
[21:44] <shiftplusone> kuplatupsu, yeah, set up cross-compiling. What do you need it for though?
[21:44] <MY123> DoctorPenguin: HDCP: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/High-bandwidth_Digital_Content_Protection
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[21:45] <DoctorPenguin> o no wonder its developed by intel
[21:45] <DoctorPenguin> I haven't bought an intel processor since the core 2 duo
[21:45] <DoctorPenguin> they used to have massive overheating problems and were terribly engineered
[21:45] <Armand> O_o
[21:45] <Armand> You must be confused..
[21:45] <kuplatupsu> shiftplusone: just gonna see what raspivid actually does, starting that by compiling the userland stuff
[21:45] <MY123> DoctorPenguin: It is horrible and there is HDCP code in the start.elf of the Raspberry Pi.
[21:45] <DoctorPenguin> I'm not
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[21:46] <shiftplusone> kuplatupsu, ah, that doesn't take too long on the pi.
[21:46] <DoctorPenguin> I've gone full AMD and Nvidia, although some of AMD's graphics cards aren't bad
[21:46] <Armand> The P4 Prescotts were awful for heat, but the Core line moved things along massively.
[21:46] <kuplatupsu> shiftplusone: 63% done
[21:46] <Armand> If you had issues cooling a C2D, you're doing something wrong.
[21:47] <DoctorPenguin> I meant, they weren't that great for overclocking
[21:47] <shiftplusone> kuplatupsu, but what it does is tell omx to open the camera and do stuff... not too fancy.
[21:47] <Armand> DoctorPenguin: Q6600, G0
[21:47] <Armand> I have 2. :)
[21:47] <MY123> DoctorPenguin: : An AMD FX 9590 is much more awful than even a Prescott.
[21:48] <DoctorPenguin> I have last years model, I think 8 core atm and it oc's and runs fine
[21:48] <Armand> I've actually had a P4 Prescott 2.8GHz running at sub-50c temps.
[21:48] <Armand> Those things were space heaters
[21:49] <DoctorPenguin> I haven't had any trouble /w the piledriver
[21:49] <MY123> Armand: Can you try to do that with an AMD FX 9590. 200W of TDP.
[21:49] <DoctorPenguin> I had many more problems /w pre and post core2's
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[21:49] <Armand> Given the funds, mebe. :P
[21:50] <Armand> On straight air, probably not.
[21:50] <DoctorPenguin> the boards for the intel processors have given me loads of problems too dating back to building as a contractor in high school
[21:50] <MY123> Armand: And 350W of TDP on a 20 percent overclocking.
[21:50] <Armand> O_O
[21:51] <MY123> Armand: It is the most awful CPU ever.
[21:51] <DoctorPenguin> Have you bought or owned one of them?
[21:51] <Armand> I'd gladly take the system to work on.
[21:51] <DoctorPenguin> I think I have one of my lan computer and I've never had any problems. I think my bro and my dad run the same processor
[21:52] <Armand> cpu[4 x Intel(R) Core(TM) i5-3330 CPU @ 3.00GHz (GenuineIntel) @ 1.60GHz w/ 6144 KB L2 Cache]
[21:52] <Armand> This one's a beauty
[21:52] <MY123> DoctorPenguin: I had one of them sold it after 6 months because my power bill was way too high.
[21:52] <DoctorPenguin> lol
[21:52] * Armand doesn't pay power bills. ^_^
[21:52] <DoctorPenguin> me neither... college student
[21:52] <DoctorPenguin> soon to be masters
[21:52] <DoctorPenguin> then doctorate
[21:53] <Armand> I live in shared housing, so bills are inclusive.
[21:53] <DoctorPenguin> interesting
[21:53] <DoctorPenguin> not the US?
[21:53] <Armand> Nope
[21:53] <DoctorPenguin> living
[21:53] <Armand> I'll be in NJ for the whole of October though. :D
[21:53] <DoctorPenguin> I remember living in communal housing in Europe
[21:53] <DoctorPenguin> it was awesome
[21:54] <Armand> This is private rental.
[21:54] <DoctorPenguin> ah
[21:54] <DoctorPenguin> my brother did that but, it was too much of a pain in the US
[21:54] <Armand> I live literally less than 10 minute walk from my office.
[21:54] <DoctorPenguin> thats not bad
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[21:54] <gordonDrogon> think I'm about 10 seconds from my office ..
[21:54] <Armand> Ya lazy *censored*
[21:54] <Armand> :P
[21:54] <DoctorPenguin> I just liked living in prague and krakow Poland
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[21:55] <DoctorPenguin> you could walk anywhere, bike anywhere, and classes like like 5-10 minutes away
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[21:56] <DoctorPenguin> I remember studying at Jagellonian University and Prague last yr. It was pretty awesome.
[21:56] <Armand> Not been to Poland.. Looking forward to visiting Bulgaria though.
[21:56] <steve_rox> heh runnin rpi off a 12v car battery ment for jump starting cars
[21:56] <steve_rox> with a dc-dc board between ;-)
[21:56] <Armand> steve_rox: I use 5x 12v @7Ah batteries. :)
[21:57] <gordonDrogon> Armand, I work from home - most of the time ...
[21:57] <DoctorPenguin> The only thing I will warn you about Armand, is that smoking is legal everywhere. I'm not a smoker but, I don't appreciate when its like hard to avoid it.
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[21:57] <Armand> Yeah, you lazy, gordonDrogon :P
[21:57] <steve_rox> i have some lithiums on standby but i wanted to exposise the dc-dc board to the most highest it would probly see
[21:57] <DoctorPenguin> in Europe I mean
[21:57] <steve_rox> for calibrateing to the correct voltage
[21:57] <Armand> DoctorPenguin: I've been to Paris..
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[21:58] <steve_rox> ill put the rpi cam on it in a bit if i rember the command
[21:58] <steve_rox> the rpi cam will show me if i have enough amps
[21:58] <DoctorPenguin> My professor studied for his doctorate in Slovakia and Bulgaria. He said it was pretty awesome.
[21:59] <DoctorPenguin> I went skiing in Slovakia last yr on my visit to Czech Republic, Netherlands, and Poland
[21:59] <steve_rox> gonna need a faster microSD
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[22:00] <DoctorPenguin> are they really rated in speed?
[22:00] <DoctorPenguin> I thought sd's were purely size
[22:00] <steve_rox> rated by class number
[22:00] <DoctorPenguin> isn't it just the speed of the reader
[22:00] <steve_rox> 1 being the lowest
[22:00] <gordonDrogon> rated by waving a crystal over them on the full moon ...
[22:00] <steve_rox> read write speed
[22:00] <gordonDrogon> (well, some of them appear that way!)
[22:00] <steve_rox> heh
[22:01] <steve_rox> anyone rember the cmd to get to that setup menus?
[22:01] <steve_rox> i wanna enable rpi cam
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[22:01] <steve_rox> soon as i hunt down the rpi cam
[22:01] <gordonDrogon> sudo raspi-config
[22:01] <steve_rox> thanks
[22:03] <DoctorPenguin> gordonDrogon: what sci fi is that from?
[22:05] <steve_rox> nice to have them double clicky microSD holders , wish they gave us them on the previous rpi
[22:05] <gordonDrogon> DoctorPenguin, is what from?
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[22:05] <DoctorPenguin> " rated by waving a crystal over them on the full moon ..."
[22:05] <gordonDrogon> steve_rox, price was a real factor - and that was 2.5 years ago or more now ..
[22:05] <DoctorPenguin> lol
[22:05] <steve_rox> time flys i guess
[22:06] <gordonDrogon> DoctorPenguin, oh - none - just me being silly about the claims of SD speeds, etc.
[22:06] <DoctorPenguin> ah k
[22:06] <steve_rox> they have a swerly icon around the number if i rember right
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[22:07] <gordonDrogon> I think its more important to go with a well knows brand from a reputable source than some somewaht "iffy" ebay seller for SD cards...
[22:07] <steve_rox> i got some branded dane elec or something , complete rubbish
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[22:09] <steve_rox> now to get cam workin
[22:09] <kuplatupsu> shiftplusone: doh, I need to specify output file to raspivid in order the motion vector output to work
[22:09] <steve_rox> the footage on rpi cam can give idea of low power
[22:09] <shiftplusone> kuplatupsu, heh
[22:09] <kuplatupsu> the callback function isn't called if we are not storing the data anywhere
[22:11] <kuplatupsu> but I think I found a real bug, encoder_buffer_callback will call open_imv_filename directly when it gets MMAL_BUFFER_HEADER_FLAG_CONFIG pkg, while elsewhere there is a special behavior when the filename is '-'
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[22:19] <steve_rox> yay rpi cam works with no ripple issues
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[22:19] <steve_rox> maybe because the better power regulator in it i dunno
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[22:25] <Aqua`> Hi
[22:25] <Aqua`> Just got my rpi model b today
[22:26] <Aqua`> Got a Samsung chip
[22:26] <Aqua`> But, it doesn't boot.. Checked out the troubleshooting
[22:26] <steve_rox> it should be boardcom
[22:26] <steve_rox> :-P
[22:26] <Aqua`> Samsung processor
[22:26] <Aqua`> Or whatever chip it is
[22:27] <Aqua`> XD
[22:27] <steve_rox> heheh im teaseing :-)
[22:27] <MY123> Aqua`: Samsung MEMORY.
[22:27] <steve_rox> you might mean the sd card
[22:27] <Aqua`> No, there is one chip on it saying Samsung XD, the big one
[22:27] <steve_rox> errrr
[22:28] <steve_rox> im kinda lost ;)
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[22:28] <Armand> The memory module is on top of the CPU
[22:28] <steve_rox> the cpu is a soc
[22:28] <steve_rox> you sure its a rpi you got and not something else?
[22:29] <Aqua`> I'll send a picture
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[22:29] <Aqua`> http://imgur.com/ZhhXjcd
[22:29] <Aqua`> There we go :)
[22:29] <Armand> Yeah, memory
[22:29] <Aqua`> Ah
[22:29] <steve_rox> okays so you have a sd for it?
[22:30] <Aqua`> Yeah
[22:30] <Aqua`> Well, microsd atm
[22:30] <Aqua`> Put in some adapter
[22:30] <steve_rox> thats a rev1 or 2
[22:30] <steve_rox> ah right
[22:30] <steve_rox> adapter may work
[22:30] <Aqua`> I think that's the problem, tried flashing different images following all instructions, tried the modified boot.bin
[22:31] <steve_rox> i had nothing but bad luck with them addapters mind
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[22:31] <steve_rox> what you writeing the image to the sd with?
[22:31] <Aqua`> I'll send a picture of the microsd card too
[22:31] <Aqua`> With win32diskwriter
[22:32] <Aqua`> http://imgur.com/f82tJx3
[22:32] <Aqua`> Let's see who sees the error on the card ;)
[22:32] <steve_rox> and you are targeting the correct drive letter and not trashing some other drive?
[22:32] <Aqua`> Yep, correct letter
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[22:32] <Aqua`> After formatting with the official SD foundation sd formatting tool
[22:32] <steve_rox> so i see nice error
[22:32] <steve_rox> erm
[22:32] <Aqua`> Me too
[22:32] <Aqua`> It's a 16gb
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[22:33] <Aqua`> XD
[22:33] <steve_rox> the fat32 part is accessable?
[22:33] <steve_rox> in windows?
[22:33] <Aqua`> Yes
[22:33] <Aqua`> It shows up as a 128gb disk though
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[22:33] <Aqua`> It's a hacked one
[22:33] <Aqua`> :p
[22:33] <steve_rox> that dont sound good
[22:33] <steve_rox> you checked the adapter works?
[22:33] <Aqua`> It was quite cheap, so gave it a shot
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[22:33] <Aqua`> Yeah, adapter works
[22:33] <Aqua`> Did some different things from it
[22:33] <Aqua`> On it*
[22:34] <steve_rox> very odd
[22:34] <steve_rox> the psu is good?
[22:34] <Aqua`> As long as you don't pass the memory loop the sd card is fine
[22:34] <Aqua`> Power supply has 1500ma
[22:34] <Aqua`> 5v
[22:34] <Aqua`> From a Playstation vita
[22:34] <Aqua`> Also tried a phone adapter
[22:34] <steve_rox> only thing i can point out is the hacked sd card may not work with it
[22:34] <Aqua`> Just the red led turns on
[22:34] <Aqua`> And then a faint green one
[22:34] <steve_rox> dont you have a regular sd card to try?
[22:35] <Aqua`> Not of a high capacity
[22:35] <Aqua`> Only a few mb -.-
[22:35] <steve_rox> how low?
[22:35] <steve_rox> oh right
[22:35] <Aqua`> 256 or something
[22:35] <steve_rox> not too good then
[22:35] <Aqua`> Hmm, maybe unpacking the card
[22:35] <Aqua`> ?
[22:35] <Aqua`> Unpacking ng
[22:35] <Aqua`> Unhacking *
[22:36] <steve_rox> you sure the sd card is firmly inserted?
[22:36] <steve_rox> i dont mean break the reader eather
[22:36] <Aqua`> Yeah
[22:36] <steve_rox> fragile thing
[22:36] <Aqua`> I checked it out of the case too
[22:36] <steve_rox> well the only weak link i can see is the micro sd
[22:36] <Aqua`> It's weird because the card works fine anywhere, in my phone, pc
[22:36] <steve_rox> and maybe the adapter
[22:36] <Aqua`> I'll try to boot my pc of the SD? Or will I break my pc because it's for arm?
[22:37] <steve_rox> haha
[22:37] <steve_rox> dont even try ;)
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[22:37] <Aqua`> It breaks my computer? XD
[22:37] <steve_rox> can you nap/borrow a regular sd card?
[22:37] <steve_rox> no it doesent
[22:37] <steve_rox> it just rawrs at you and is voilently sick
[22:38] <Aqua`> Wait what? What rawrs? XD
[22:38] <steve_rox> the pc
[22:38] <Aqua`> Will my laptop rawr? XD
[22:38] <Aqua`> What part of the pc?
[22:38] <steve_rox> microsoft programmed windows to exterminate the compition dont try it
[22:38] <Aqua`> Oh, I already got Ubuntu running on it etc, Slackware too
[22:38] <steve_rox> :-P
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[22:38] <Aqua`> Windows doesn't come near it when I select it on boot
[22:39] <nid0> theyre secretly owned by microsoft
[22:39] <steve_rox> try a alternative sd card , not this micro thing
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[22:39] <Aqua`> Well, I can try a different adapter... Thats most I got access to atm
[22:39] <Aqua`> Brb
[22:40] <steve_rox> okays
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[22:41] <steve_rox> wow they have large sd to micro sd adapters
[22:41] <steve_rox> damn expensive tho£8
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[22:44] <Aqua`> How about an USB stick? Guess that won't work
[22:44] <Aqua`> Will it?
[22:44] <steve_rox> you can boot off a usb device but the sd must work :-P
[22:44] <steve_rox> sd is always accessed first
[22:44] <Aqua`> So I cant boot of an USB stick without booting of sd
[22:45] <steve_rox> correct
[22:45] <lost_soul> that doesn't make much sense.. for one to boot the other must boot
[22:45] <lost_soul> so what part of the boot does the sdcard do, and what part does the usb do
[22:46] <Aqua`> Yeah
[22:46] <Aqua`> Can I connect the pi to my laptop and see things from there?
[22:46] <Aqua`> Without booting USB first
[22:46] <steve_rox> cant believe im playing this eat squrrel game
[22:46] <Aqua`> XD
[22:47] <steve_rox> im premoted to OMEGA SQUIRREL :-)
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[22:48] <sqrrl> oh really
[22:48] <Aqua`> I used the microsd card to install linuxes on my laptop
[22:49] <Aqua`> So pi y u no boot
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[22:51] <Aqua`> Wait.. Could it be that the pi takes a loooong time to load the microsd card?
[22:51] <Aqua`> It says it is 128gb
[22:51] <Aqua`> Maybe it scans it all and then boots
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[22:52] <steve_rox> jhelps if you have a display on it or something?
[22:52] <Aqua`> I got a display on it
[22:52] <Aqua`> Doesn't show anything
[22:52] <Aqua`> Just a no signal and then turns of
[22:52] <Aqua`> Off*
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[23:01] <lost_soul> the card must have some type of compression so perhaps the pi doesn't know how to use it?
[23:01] <lost_soul> can't you blow it out and make the card be the actual size it is?
[23:01] <steve_rox> i thought it was just a hacked card that lied about capasity
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[23:02] <lost_soul> steve_rox: what would be the point of having a 16GB card say it can hold 128GB if it really only could hold 16
[23:03] <steve_rox> bad ebay ppl
[23:03] <Aqua`> Yeah
[23:03] <Aqua`> Aussiaretailshop
[23:03] <Aqua`> It says 128 on the card and on the computer
[23:03] <Aqua`> I'm trying to find out how to hack it
[23:03] <lost_soul> ah
[23:05] <Aqua`> Do you know how? XD
[23:05] <lost_soul> well, they do recommend not using an adapter and using a decent name brand card.. so that is two strikes against ya
[23:06] <Aqua`> Yeah I know, but lots of people do use a microsd card
[23:06] <Aqua`> Most SD cards actually hold a microsd card inside
[23:06] <steve_rox> ive found the adapters to be rubbish
[23:06] <Aqua`> So are basically just am adapter
[23:07] <lost_soul> I use an adapter, but will do away with it when money permits purchasing a new one
[23:07] <lost_soul> but I'm using a name brand card and adapter, so that could make a difference
[23:07] <Aqua`> How about SD cards using a microsd card inside? Isn't it the same as some adapter?
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[23:09] <lost_soul> a microsd card inside would imply an adapter (though hard wired, I guess)... but what evidence makes you think that most sd cards use micro inside?
[23:09] <gordonDrogon> the foundation cards they're selling are like that - have been for some time.
[23:09] <lost_soul> I've never ripped one apart so that may be true.. but it seems like others would have mentioned it if that were indeed the case
[23:09] <gordonDrogon> ie. �SD inside a full side SD case/adapter
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[23:10] <Aqua`> It's like the aa batteries
[23:10] <steve_rox> solveing some kinda manufactureing process?
[23:10] <lost_soul> gordonDrogon: ah, nice to know.. ty
[23:10] <Aqua`> They hold smaller batteries
[23:10] <Aqua`> They don't show it on the casing
[23:11] <gordonDrogon> a good indication of a batteries capacity is to weigh them.
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[23:12] <Aqua`> Cool
[23:12] <gordonDrogon> even by hand you can tell the difference between the rubbish imports and a good brand name.
[23:12] <gordonDrogon> ie. the heavier the battery, the more capacity it has.
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[23:12] <Aqua`> What would be a good SD card?
[23:12] <gordonDrogon> good sd - mostly anything bought from a reputable supplier with a good name on it.
[23:12] <gordonDrogon> the last lot I bought were from the foundation...
[23:13] <steve_rox> not dane-elec tho
[23:13] <steve_rox> its a challenge keeping them working on anything
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[23:13] <gordonDrogon> no idea - I have some sandisk ones, a couple of kingstons, foundations ones and a Lexar.
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[23:19] <Aqua`> How long should I try waiting with the power connected to my pi to give it one last chance with noobs lite?
[23:19] <gordonDrogon> 30 seconds.
[23:19] <Aqua`> Well, that has past :/
[23:19] <Aqua`> Too bad
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[23:20] <gordonDrogon> So - power should come on (red) then the green ACT LED will light up brefly, then after a few more seconds it should flicker for a bit until it goes mostly off - by then there will be stuff on the screen.
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[23:20] <Aqua`> It doesn't do anything at all. Only showing up the power led, and a brief act led
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[23:21] <ShorTie> just put raspbian on
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[23:22] <Aqua`> I tried that ShorTie
[23:22] <Aqua`> I'll try again
[23:22] <Aqua`> Also arch
[23:22] <gordonDrogon> not many people here use Arch, so support might be limited.
[23:22] <ShorTie> hmmm, what are using to put them on ??
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[23:23] <Aqua`> Win32diskimager
[23:24] <ShorTie> that should be fine
[23:25] <ShorTie> can you try another card ??
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[23:26] <DanDare> If I want to watch full HD movies on pi I need to install openlec or I can just install some player on raspbian ?
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[23:26] <DanDare> or just install xbmc on raspbian ?
[23:26] <steve_rox> i just used omxplayer
[23:27] <Aqua`> Hmm, I'll go to the shop to buy a normal SD card then
[23:27] <DanDare> Nice, thanks. Will take a look
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[23:27] <Aqua`> The price to be able to setup my pi become higher and higher
[23:27] <steve_rox> a normal sd not off ebay?
[23:27] <Aqua`> 75 euros already..
[23:27] <Aqua`> Yeah
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[23:28] <Aqua`> To the local store
[23:28] <Aqua`> Where I bought my laptop
[23:28] <Aqua`> And where I bought the pi
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[23:28] <ShorTie> what kind of power supply are you using ??
[23:28] <Aqua`> My Playstation vita's power supply
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[23:29] <Aqua`> 5V 1500mA
[23:29] <ShorTie> how many amps does it put out ??
[23:29] <gordonDrogon> ShorTie, the clue is in 1500mA :)
[23:30] <ShorTie> that should be with a good cable
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[23:30] <ShorTie> that should be ok with a good cable
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[23:30] <Aqua`> 0.2A input
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[23:30] <DanDare> openlec will play h.264 videos ?
[23:30] <ShorTie> thus is true gordonDrogon
[23:31] <Aqua`> mA is mili ampere
[23:31] <Aqua`> ?
[23:31] <lost_soul> DanDare: yes
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[23:31] <ShorTie> Yes
[23:31] <DanDare> lost_soul, nice, thanks
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[23:31] <ShorTie> 1000ma = 1 amp
[23:31] <DanDare> im using a 850mA and doing fine until now
[23:31] <DanDare> *850mA power supply
[23:32] <Aqua`> So 1 amp is good?
[23:32] <DanDare> though i never tested the HDMI output yet
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[23:32] <ShorTie> that is ok for just a pi DanDare
[23:32] <Aqua`> A 32gb SanDisk SDHC extreme would be good?
[23:32] <DanDare> ShorTie, ok
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[23:33] <ShorTie> not sure on the extreme part
[23:34] <ShorTie> 32gb is kinda big though
[23:35] <ShorTie> sdcards corrupt, so the os is about all that should be on it
[23:36] <lost_soul> Aqua`: some have said that it is good to boot off the sdcard and have storage on usb... so perhaps a 4 or 8 GB sdcard and a 32gb usb pendrive would be a better solution for you?
[23:36] <ShorTie> the /boot partition is all that is really needed on it
[23:36] <Aqua`> A, yes
[23:36] <Aqua`> Ty
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[23:46] <Aqua`> Is icidu some new brand?
[23:46] <Aqua`> And a good one?
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