#raspberrypi IRC Log

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IRC Log for 2014-07-26

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[0:00] <DanDare> steve_rox, theres no skype for linux ?
[0:00] <steve_rox> for rpi arm compile
[0:00] <DanDare> or well, that would be just very resources hungry anyway
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[0:00] <steve_rox> would be awesome if we could have some kinda voice vid chat
[0:01] <DanDare> agreed
[0:01] <steve_rox> i had mumble client partually working in a X session
[0:01] <steve_rox> thats voice only tho
[0:02] <Encrypt> Skype is powered by the NSA
[0:02] <Encrypt> :
[0:02] <Encrypt> :p
[0:02] * ShorTie snickers
[0:02] <steve_rox> true
[0:02] <Encrypt> Jabber is far better
[0:02] <DanDare> theres no way out. internet is powered by google
[0:02] <Encrypt> There is also a new project called Tox
[0:02] <DanDare> they own us all :)
[0:03] <Encrypt> Tox is written in C language
[0:03] <Encrypt> And the interface in C++
[0:03] <Encrypt> That's fast, Encrypt-ed ( :D)
[0:03] <Encrypt> And peer2peer
[0:03] * sutty is now known as sutty\away
[0:04] <Encrypt> However, only text and file tranfer are working for the moment
[0:04] <Encrypt> https://tox.im/
[0:04] <DanDare> who can assure pi OSes arent injected with surveillance/spywares ?
[0:04] * DanDare does the skeptic type
[0:04] <Encrypt> :D
[0:05] <DanDare> im sure it gets attention, since guys are using pi to assemble small, spy devices
[0:05] <Encrypt> A good project idea I had also...
[0:05] <Encrypt> Is to make an end-to-end encryption for SIP calls
[0:06] <Encrypt> Which could be directly plugged on our "internet box" in France
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[0:06] <DanDare> thats a good idea
[0:06] <Encrypt> The Pi would identify itsefl has an SIP Phone
[0:06] <Encrypt> And would we call somebody with the same device, it would start an encrypted communication
[0:07] <Encrypt> But that's a lot of work to do
[0:07] <DanDare> but that way Obama will not know what youre talking about :P
[0:07] <Encrypt> And I'm not sure to know all the tools I need
[0:07] <SpeedEvil> Kind of pointless
[0:07] <SpeedEvil> all you need is a router that supports VPN
[0:07] <DanDare> true
[0:08] <steve_rox> i want ma rpi voice/vid chat prog :-P
[0:08] <DanDare> SpeedEvil, pointless in a practical point of view. But maybe not in concept proof projects
[0:08] <ShorTie> and for confrence calls, there is the GULP version ??
[0:10] <crumb> guys, my plan to return the out of warranty rpi worked :)
[0:10] <SpeedEvil> Plan?
[0:11] <crumb> eben upton will have to think twice before trying to swindle me out of money again
[0:11] <SpeedEvil> Swindle how?
[0:11] <mr_yogurt> How long do you guys suppose it would take a 2 watt solar panel to charge a quadcopter battery?
[0:11] <crumb> piece of junk was underpowered
[0:11] <crumb> would take 10-20 seconds for each key press to register
[0:11] <SpeedEvil> mr_yogurt: watt-hours / (2W * charging efficiency)
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[0:11] <crumb> also
[0:11] <crumb> hdmi stopped outputting video
[0:12] <SpeedEvil> crumb: register with what program?
[0:12] <crumb> on the screen
[0:12] <mr_yogurt> Thanks
[0:12] <crumb> on a terminal
[0:12] <crumb> without even X running
[0:13] <crumb> mr_yogurt: would charge faster by pedaling
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[2:33] <crumb> so how would i go about modifying the serial #?
[2:34] <crumb> changing the mount point for /proc/cpuinfo ?
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[2:37] <crumb> would that activate the mpeg and other decoders?
[2:37] <crumb> given that i have the licenses for the serial # i'm changing it to?
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[2:47] <jaggz|2> my openelec won't boot right.. :/
[2:47] <jaggz|2> I copied the openelec image to my sdcard (in windows, using whatever that thing was).. then I booted into linux and created an ext4fs in the remaining space on the 8gb sdcard
[2:47] <jaggz|2> "mount_common: could not mount /dev/...2..."
[2:48] <jaggz|2> did I break something? 2 would correspond to the 3rd partition (which was empty space at the time) ...
[2:48] <jaggz|2> before I formatted it I mean
[2:48] <jaggz|2> I guess I'll go with the actual rasbian.. see what that's like
[2:49] <jaggz|2> just got my first rpi by the way
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[2:50] <jaggz|2> its irc support is disappointing
[2:50] <jaggz|2> (kidding :) :)
[2:54] <MY123> crumb: Not possible for license keys. Cracked the algorithm but I'm afraid I can't share it.
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[3:05] <jaggz|2> I need an rpi model.. here's a b+ but I just have b
[3:05] <jaggz|2> http://www.thingiverse.com/thing:402498
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[3:30] <almostworking> jaggz|2: why? nothing wrong with a B, unless ur gonna do some GPIO stuff and neeed moe pins
[3:30] <DanDare> Someone know any nice X app to configure/test a USB joystick for raspbian ?
[3:31] <almostworking> i sure dont DanDare . all my Pi 's are headless pretty much, excluding media server client ones
[3:31] <DanDare> ok
[3:32] <almostworking> i was thinking of buying a hummingboard actually but i cant find a retailer
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[3:35] <DanDare> just found this 'jstest-gtk', and its pretty nice. Fortunately the joystick was recognized without issues
[3:35] <DanDare> time to try some mame
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[3:36] <almostworking> nice
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[3:39] <io_silver> hi, i'm trying to plot some realtime data using the pi. 4 channels, 5Hz. I'm hoping to show the data on a line graph. I tried pyqtgraph library but found it hung badly in the "drawing functions"
[3:40] <io_silver> can anyone recommend a snappier approach?
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[3:42] <DanDare> io_silver, i got no experience fiddling with graph tools but rrdtools looks like lightweight and a common option for many apps and sites
[3:42] <DanDare> linode VPS graphs uses it. Cacti uses it etc
[3:42] <io_silver> cool thanks man I'll check that out
[3:43] <io_silver> awesome thats just what I was looking for thanks
[3:44] <DanDare> np ;)
[3:50] <DanDare> rrdtool, thats something I indeed want/need to learn as well
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[3:55] <DanDare> alright then, lets test pi on the HDMI for the first time
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[4:07] <sine0> if i do a shutdown in raspbian will it power off the device
[4:08] <sine0> its just with no power button im not sure how i would turn it back on without replacing the cable. but if its still in how does it power off..
[4:09] <pksato> reset reader or some pin on gpio power on after soft shutdown.
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[7:59] <RahulAN> Hii all
[8:00] <RahulAN> on Raspberry xbmc do no run over x display?
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[8:11] <jaggz-l> oops.. how do you run the console setup thing again? I think my power came loose and rebooted while i was in it, before i got ssh setup
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[8:14] <gordonDrogon> sudo raspi-config
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[8:16] <gordonDrogon> io_silver, old fashioned graphing stuff might be gnuplot ... you can just feed it a file of numbers if desperate...
[8:17] <jaggz-l> thanks :)
[8:18] <jaggz-l> I just went ahead and set it up to run as root and used init.d stuff to start it now
[8:18] <gordonDrogon> sine0, it doesn't totally shutdown - goes into a dormant state. short the I2C pins to 0v and it will reboot...
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[8:32] <DrivenMad> was doing some surfing and was wondering if you can use any of the arduino modules out there on a rassbery pi? like the sodial soil hygormeter for arduino pi?
[8:32] <jaggz-l> this system is for a sprinkler system.. but I figured I'd check out xbmc
[8:33] <jaggz-l> DrivenMad: I've seen people wire the things, but I'm not sure about the pinouts and physical compatibility otherwise
[8:33] <DrivenMad> cool thx :) i jsut got a raspi to geek with, ad was trying to figure out waht modules i can use with it.. :) thx :)
[8:36] <DrivenMad> do you have any sugested reads for starting out??
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[8:45] <therion23> there is a board for the pi that interfaces with arduino boards but it is pretty pricey
[8:46] <DrivenMad> thx therion23, thats what i need to find out.. if they can jsut plug in or if they are propritary.. :(
[8:46] <gordonDrogon> DrivenMad, the main issue is voltage - most arduino stuff is 5v, Pi is 3.3
[8:46] <therion23> given the 100% open design of arduino, it shouldn't be that difficult
[8:46] <therion23> the newest arduino boards are 3.3v too
[8:46] <therion23> the Due i think, among others
[8:46] <gordonDrogon> solves that problem then...
[8:47] <gordonDrogon> but all the old add-ons will be 5v, so it's wise to check.
[8:47] <therion23> that is correct
[8:47] <therion23> that is why most newer arduino boards have builtin voltage reguators
[8:48] <gordonDrogon> and an ATmega running at 16MHz is technically out of spec - but no-one seems to bother much...
[8:48] <gordonDrogon> ^at 3.3v
[8:49] <therion23> driven, http://www.cooking-hacks.com/documentation/tutorials/raspberry-pi-to-arduino-shields-connection-bridge is what you are looking for
[8:50] <DrivenMad> thank you !! :)
[8:50] <gordonDrogon> there is also: http://uk.farnell.com/gertboard/gertduino/arduino-uno-compatible-i-o-board/dp/2344460?Ntt=gertduino
[8:50] <gordonDrogon> but that's basically just an arduino!
[8:50] <gordonDrogon> (or 2)
[8:50] <therion23> yeah there are several .. i just picked the first google showed me :)
[8:51] <therion23> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Arduino_boards_and_compatible_systems has the vltages of all the arduino boards
[8:51] <therion23> voltages*
[8:51] <gordonDrogon> or you just jumper the modules over on a breadboard - e.g. http://unicorn.drogon.net/sht15temp.jpg
[8:51] <DrivenMad> hehe perfect :) i ahve been a soldiering junkie for years, i ahve tons of bins of relays, witches, etc... when i started looking at teh raspi, started getting all sorts of ideas:)
[8:52] <therion23> yeah, a breadboard and 50 wires will cost you a fragment of the connection board
[8:52] <DrivenMad> that is the route i will go. Just make sure my voltages are not jacked up :)
[8:53] <therion23> those boards are pretty steep here, about 70 Euro :(
[8:53] <DrivenMad> have a proken electic mower i want to repurpose into a gocart or something :)
[8:53] <DrivenMad> broken
[8:53] <gordonDrogon> therion23, breadboards, or the breakout boards?
[8:54] <therion23> the breakouts
[8:54] <gordonDrogon> yea, some are.
[8:54] <therion23> ouch man, 70 Euro for a breadboard .. then it would better be gold plated and diamond studded
[8:55] <DrivenMad> and do favors.. :)
[8:56] <gordonDrogon> but the alternative is buying the parts and being good at SMT work...
[8:57] <DrivenMad> I have the gear to do smt, for sure. kinda stoked to fins this new toy :)
[8:57] <DrivenMad> find
[8:58] <therion23> you can get really cheap arduino clones from DX in Holland
[8:58] <therion23> we are talking 12 Euro for a Mega 2560 clone .. think it is Funduino
[8:58] <gordonDrogon> yea, the seeeduino range is relatively cheap too.
[8:59] <therion23> minimum order is €25 but you get free shipping within the EU
[8:59] <gordonDrogon> I do have a policy of buying from the UK (or a UK company that does the import) wherever possible myself though.
[9:00] <DrivenMad> good man gordon!!! always support local where ever you are!!
[9:00] <therion23> i like stores myself .. cos you can get some advice while you are there, and there is always that part or two that you forgot
[9:01] <gordonDrogon> yup - stores are good. the issue here is that there aren't any.
[9:01] <therion23> there is an expensive one here in Copenhagen and a cheap (and very good) one in Malmö
[9:01] <gordonDrogon> there are 2 Maplin shops in Devon (the county in england where I live). One is 30 miles west of me, the other 30 miles east... I live in the central wastelands ..
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[9:02] <DrivenMad> I spent a bunch of years in japan, and talk about the coolest computer stores ever!!! any little component, screw, light,etc.. it was there ... like a supermarket of tinker gear!
[9:02] <therion23> two arduinos here cost the same as two arduinos plus two train tickets to Malmö
[9:02] <DrivenMad> mad max style.. i like it :)
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[9:07] <DrivenMad> so im thinking if i ahve modules like the dht11 for arduino that operates at 5 v. i could build a baord with a 5v power supply to power thingas and sent the data feeds to the pi..
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[9:08] <gordonDrogon> dht11 works ok at 3.3v, however mostly yes - you need to check the voltage on the data pins though - and in most cases a simple resistor divider will be fine.
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[9:08] <DrivenMad> sweet
[9:08] <gordonDrogon> e.g if driving some 5v devices, then 3.3v from the Pi into them is generally fine.
[9:09] <DrivenMad> thank you so much for the insight and wisdom :)
[9:09] <gordonDrogon> it's devices you read back into the Pi that you need to wory about.
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[9:09] <DrivenMad> ok cool will keep that in mind first!!
[9:09] <therion23> that reminds me, i need to get one of those breadboard power supplies
[9:09] <wooter> gordonDrogon: i read somewhere that the 5v rail limitation is the main power supply, as 5v is just passed thru, this sound about right ?
[9:10] <gordonDrogon> e.g. this: http://wiringpi.com/dev-lib/lcd-library/ uses a 5v display with 5v logic, but as long as the display doesn't write back to the Pi, it's fine.
[9:10] <gordonDrogon> wooter, not sure what you mean here - the Pi needs 5v and internally generated 3.3 and 1.8v from it.
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[9:11] <wooter> drawing power from the 5v gpio pin
[9:11] <DrivenMad> great link :) thx
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[9:12] <gordonDrogon> wooter, yea, you have some 200mA on a B/2 that's "spare" - or shared between GPIO and the USB.
[9:12] <DrivenMad> just was thinking.. i wonder if i can use the raspi somehow with eve-online :)
[9:12] <gordonDrogon> on the B+ it's much more - up to 1.2 amps. (assuming your PSU can cope)
[9:12] <wooter> cool
[9:14] <gordonDrogon> I've seen a few boards now providing power into the Pi via the GPIO connector - and the foundation are OK with this if you follow their guidelines - that then lets your own board take more power at 5v if it needs it - e.g. some robot boards and boards with lots of "stuff" on them.
[9:15] <gordonDrogon> brb. kitchen calling.
[9:19] <DrivenMad> http://hackaday.com/2014/07/25/this-arduino-hookup-is-perfect-for-microgrowery/ this is something that i would love to put together :)
[9:20] <gordonDrogon> yea, there's school project that does soemthing like that with the Pi.
[9:20] <gordonDrogon> checks temp, light & water.
[9:20] <gordonDrogon> also have a look at this: http://www.bbc.co.uk/schoolreport/28298811
[9:21] <gordonDrogon> that's a school activity with a Pi as a weather station - using the usual breakout boards that you'd typically associate with arduino.
[9:21] <DrivenMad> very cool :)
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[9:22] <wooter> school sounds so much cooler now, then when i went
[9:22] <gordonDrogon> more toys.
[9:23] <gordonDrogon> but (IMO) the learning process shouldn't be different.
[9:23] <therion23> and lots smaller haha
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[9:23] <gordonDrogon> I had big mechanical calculators to play with..
[9:23] <therion23> we learned computers in school using old CP/M based machines
[9:23] <gordonDrogon> brb. kitchen calling again. saturday is big bake day for me.
[9:24] <therion23> wonder if there is a CP/M emulator ported to the Pi .. would be awesome to telnet into one
[9:25] <therion23> with a LED and some noises to simulate the 5.25" floppy drive haha
[9:27] <DrivenMad> hehehe totally!!! and make that noise everytime you or anyone logs in :)
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[9:29] <therion23> isnt it incredible to think that your cellphone has more storage space than the total amount of software written for an operating system that actively lasted ten years?
[9:29] <DrivenMad> it is nuts!!
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[9:30] <wooter> higher level languages are used more now
[9:30] <DrivenMad> since i sideloaded debian on my android phone.. i ahve been working on a openwrt distro for android devices..
[9:31] <therion23> i tried Ångström linux on a low end tablet a couple of years ago
[9:31] <therion23> useless but good fun for a weekend
[9:31] <DrivenMad> super basic, and totally limited by the wifi chipset in the android phone you are using, but i bought a nexus 7, the wifi chipset lets you do everything!!, monitor mode, etc :)
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[9:32] <wooter> monitor mode on me nexus 4 would be nice
[9:32] <wooter> what about packet injection
[9:32] <DrivenMad> i was thinking of off the internet chat spaces for places that dont have or want internet :) accessable by any smartphone, tablet,latop with wifi :)
[9:33] <DrivenMad> yes it does. the first and 2nd gen models do it..
[9:33] <wooter> need to run a certain rom do do that ?
[9:33] <DrivenMad> i tested out reaver, and a couple others on it that worked great...
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[9:34] <wooter> awesome
[9:34] <djapo> what is the stable kernel version for the pi?
[9:34] <DrivenMad> as long as you have root, a chipset that witll let you, yes
[9:34] <djapo> i have Linux 3.12.23
[9:34] <wooter> i have first gen nexus 7, it just sits there gathering dust, it's a bit slow
[9:35] <pepijndevos_> I have a simple cable from hdmi to vga, but am I right that this will not work, because the raspi only has a digital output on the hdmi port?
[9:35] <therion23> arch is up to 3.12.24-1
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[9:36] <DrivenMad> ohh man.. totally.. load a old stable version of cyanogen, make sure it has updated busybox. then go get reaver for android and try it.. it will be a new toy :)
[9:36] <wooter> hdmi is digital, so a simple cable wont work to vga
[9:36] <djapo> therion23: is that for the pi? i to run arch and the have already ran pacman-Syu
[9:36] <wooter> what about aircrack-ng ?
[9:36] <pepijndevos_> wooter: does work for my laptop... so I don't know what's going on there.
[9:36] <DrivenMad> �pepijndevos_� i remeber seeing something on that.. you are correct. i belive there is a powerd converter you can get though
[9:37] <therion23> yes djapo
[9:37] <DrivenMad> yes aircrack works in a sideload of debian.
[9:37] <therion23> i have core, extra, community, alarm and aur enabled
[9:38] <DrivenMad> i belive there is work being done for a build of kali for it also :)
[9:38] <pepijndevos_> powered converter is probably not worth it...
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[9:38] <therion23> raspbian looks like it is at 3.12.22 but i haven't updated that fr a few days
[9:38] <DrivenMad> it actually was a tiny board that you have to plugin..
[9:39] <DrivenMad> cant wait to play with rasbian !! :)
[9:39] <djapo> but i don't have that version and no new version shows i have core, extra, community, alarm, and aur the last two always show upto date
[9:39] <therion23> raspbian is totally like debian seen from an admin point of view, and it has an amazing amount of packages
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[9:45] <therion23> djapo, i cannot see what repo i got it from, all i know is that it is the latest
[9:46] <therion23> it is in core here apparently
[9:47] <therion23> there is also 3.15.6 available
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[9:56] <djapo> hmm, weird i only see pacman -Qii linux-raspberrypi
[9:56] <djapo> Name : linux-raspberrypi
[9:56] <djapo> Version : 3.12.24-1
[9:57] <djapo> oh, the latest update must have been pulled last time i did Syu :3
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[9:59] <therion23> core/linux-raspberrypi-latest 3.15.6-1
[9:59] <therion23> but i dunno how stable it is, haven't tried it yet
[10:01] <djapo> i used to try latest, than i had it crash; had to flash a new kernel downgrade the modules and unistall the kernel it was a hasle
[10:03] <therion23> hehe, yeah, it has saved me more than once to have other linux based machines in the house
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[11:49] <decached> How do I configure Noobs to autoselect an operating system? I don't have a monitor so I can't select the OS through GUI
[11:50] <ShorTie> imho, best to scrub noobs and just put the os you want on
[11:51] <therion23> yeah really .. only two of the OS'es make sense without a screen anyway
[11:52] <ShorTie> it just adds a layer of confusion
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[11:52] <therion23> i never tried noobs, but take a look at the first partition on your mem card .. there is probably a .txt file where you can configure stuff
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[11:53] <therion23> you can read that partition in Windows as well
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[11:57] <decached> Found a few instructions on their Github README. Any way of tracking the progress of the installation?
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[11:57] <therion23> aha!
[11:58] <therion23> 1) Add a text file named autoboot.txt to the root directory of NOOBS.
[11:58] <therion23> 2) Add boot_partition=<partition number> to the file and save it to disk.
[11:59] <decached> What exactly is the partition number?
[12:00] <therion23> it did not say whether it was 0 or 1 based
[12:00] <therion23> i'd say "trial and error" and start with 1
[12:00] <therion23> since the first partition is your boot partition with noobs on it
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[12:23] <gordonDrogon> therion23, talk of 5.25" drives... http://unicorn.drogon.net/lode.jpg
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[12:42] <therion23> oh man, is that Lode Runner?
[12:42] <therion23> in glorious monochrome
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[12:45] <gordonDrogon> yup!
[12:47] <therion23> in other news, i found a CP/M emulator that runs perfectly on the pi
[12:47] <therion23> sometimes after lunch i am gonna tinker with it
[12:48] <gordonDrogon> you have my sympathies.
[12:49] <gordonDrogon> I remember cp/m ... somehow don't really want to go back there.
[12:49] <therion23> IIRC there were some great text adventures for it
[12:50] <gordonDrogon> not sure why though. I spent a few years working with it, developing s/w on it. It was OK, but just not exciting at the time when I had Apple II & BBC Micros to play (er ,work) with too.
[12:50] <gordonDrogon> and unix of-course :)
[12:50] <therion23> i didn't really get in touch with unix till hmm .. 1991ish
[12:51] <gordonDrogon> I had a multi-user machine too - each use had their own 64KB bank of memory...
[12:51] <gordonDrogon> this was early 80's for me.
[12:51] <therion23> oh wow!
[12:51] <therion23> 64K *drool*
[12:52] <gordonDrogon> yea, although it was only 48K as the top 16K was shared between all banks and had the OS in it.
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[12:54] <therion23> ah yeah, bank switching .. reminds me of the BBC and the Speccy 128
[12:54] <gordonDrogon> yea, well that was like the whole bank, user programs and all switching. almost a virtual memory system implemented in physical ram
[12:55] <therion23> what hardware was that?
[12:55] <gordonDrogon> the bbc has their "sideways rom" (or ram) expansions - a 16K block that could be switched.
[12:55] <gordonDrogon> the cp/m system was built on a North Star Horizon S100 bus system.
[12:55] <gordonDrogon> S100 was very popular for cp/m systems back then.
[12:56] <therion23> i remember S100 by name
[12:57] <gordonDrogon> it was basically a big processor bus - you could add memory on it or peripherals.
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[12:58] <therion23> back when a hard drive was called a Winchester drive
[12:58] <gordonDrogon> named after the rifle...
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[12:59] <gerforce> something is weird with my pi. I have alreay configured the /etc/resolv.conf file. But i still cannot resolve domain name.
[12:59] <gordonDrogon> although I think it became a generic name for a while until people started using the technolgoy or interface name.
[12:59] <gordonDrogon> gerforce, do you have a default route set - e.g. can you ping 8.8.8.8 and also ping the nameserver in /etc/resolv.conf ?
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[13:00] <gordonDrogon> also note that /etc/resolv.conf may be overwritten if you're using dhcp...
[13:00] <gordonDrogon> and some "network manglers" )-:
[13:01] <gerforce> my laptop can work with the same configuration
[13:01] <gerforce> i ran debian on my laptop
[13:01] <gordonDrogon> sure - but make sure you can do the pings on the Pi too.
[13:01] <therion23> a standard mortal user cannot ping on arch linux
[13:02] <gordonDrogon> therion23, really? it's a standard diagnostic. there is no reason to not have it
[13:02] * gordonDrogon adds that to the list of reasons to not run Arch ...
[13:03] <therion23> [t23@sinhika ~]$ ping 8.8.8.8
[13:03] <therion23> ping: icmp open socket: Operation not permitted
[13:03] <gordonDrogon> sudo chown root.root /bin/ping ; sudo chmod 4755 /bin/ping
[13:03] <therion23> i bet there is a sysctl for it
[13:03] <gerforce> gordonDrogon: yes, the dns server is unreachable
[13:04] <gerforce> gordonDrogon: but i don't know why
[13:04] <gordonDrogon> gerforce, thats the first hurdle then - check how eth0 is getting its IP address - /etc/network/interfaces
[13:04] <gerforce> gordonDrogon: i make it static
[13:04] <gerforce> i configure the /etc/network/interfaces
[13:05] <gordonDrogon> gerforce, ok - should be fine - most of my Pi's are static here.
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[13:07] <gordonDrogon> gerforce, examples from one of my Pi's: http://unicorn.drogon.net/interfaces.pi.txt and http://unicorn.drogon.net/resolv.conf.pi.txt
[13:07] <gerforce> gordonDrogon: maybe i know the reason. i just look at the /etc/network/interfaces.I didnot change the dhcp to the static.just typing error.And the static ip address is got from the configuration of the cmdline.txt.
[13:08] <gordonDrogon> gerforce, ok...
[13:08] <gerforce> gordonDrogon: i would try this first to see if it is the reason.
[13:09] <therion23> ah, interesting .. arch uses capabilities now
[13:09] <therion23> so if you reinstall iputils then mortal users can ping
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[13:10] <therion23> quite possibly the arch maintainers did a bad transfers and lost the capabilities when making the image
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[13:11] <gordonDrogon> therion23, who knows. I just can't get excited about arch.
[13:11] <therion23> i dunno, i wanted to try it since i never have before
[13:12] <gerforce> gordonDrogon: it is not the reason.
[13:13] <gordonDrogon> gerforce, check the output of: /sbin/ifconfig eth0 and /sbin/netstat -rn - make sure they're sensible and that you can ping the default gateway too.
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[13:18] <lacrymology> heiya. Say I've want to have several setups to try with my *pi, but I only have the one SD card, how would I do that?
[13:19] <lacrymology> I'm guessing dd'ing the images in and out of it
[13:19] <gerforce> gordonDrogon: i have done that. command "netstat -rn" gets the result: Destination 192.168.1.0 gateway: 0.0.0.0 genmask: 255.255.255.0"
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[13:20] <gerforce> gordonDrogon: and my default gateway is 192.168.1.1. I can ping it well
[13:20] <gordonDrogon> right - there should also be a line like: destination 0.0.0.0 gatway 192.168.1.1 ... sounds like you have that though.
[13:20] <gordonDrogon> ok - is 192.168.1.1 also the DNS server?
[13:20] <pksato> lacrymology: use noobs. or manualy install multiple rootfs.
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[13:21] <gerforce> gordonDrogon: no. it's not
[13:21] <gerforce> gordonDrogon: thereis only one line
[13:21] <gerforce> gordonDrogon: as i described
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[13:23] <gordonDrogon> http://unicorn.drogon.net/stuff1.txt has the output of ifconfig and netstat on one of my Pi's. you ought to have a default route line - the 0.0.0.0 line.
[13:23] <gordonDrogon> that corresponds to the gateway in /etc/network/interfaces
[13:25] <gerforce> gordonDrogon: you are right. But i cannot see that line. It maybe the problem.
[13:25] <gerforce> gordonDrogon: and i have no idea about the mechanism
[13:27] <gordonDrogon> compare your interfaces file with the one I posted - maybe another typo?
[13:27] <gordonDrogon> I think that once you get the gateway sorted everything else might just work..
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[13:29] <gerforce> gordonDrogon: i agree. And i am pretty sure there is no typo now.:)
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[13:31] <gerforce> gordonDrogon: i'll look into it later. I have to get something to eat. Thanks for talking.BRB
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[14:18] <gics> hi, i have a question regarding battery power
[14:19] <gics> i've just successfully booted my rpi with one battery and an ubec, now i'd like to test 2 battery in parallel
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[14:20] <lost_soul> and?
[14:20] <gics> battery are 7.4v/3200mah each one, so in parallel i'll get 6400mah, but my ubec it's rated as "3A max 5A"
[14:21] <gics> can i connect all togheter?
[14:22] <lost_soul> thats more of an electronics question than an openelec/xbmc question. I have no clue, stick around though and someone that does know will chime in when they see the question I'm sure.
[14:22] <gics> ubec is this one --> http://img.alibaba.com/img/pb/712/132/374/374132712_098.jpg
[14:22] <gics> lost_soul, i hope so
[14:23] <lost_soul> gics: you could also try #electronics
[14:23] <gics> lost_soul, thnx i'm going to
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[14:39] <lacrymology> what does NOOBS come with?
[14:39] <lacrymology> I don't think I need so much NOOBness
[14:42] <lost_soul> can always use arch or debian and build install only what you want
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[14:44] <pepijndevos_> Any idea how to use netsurf on my pi? More specifically, how to exit it.
[14:45] <lost_soul> ctrl + q maybe?
[14:46] <pepijndevos_> The only thing I found that I might try is to switch to another terminal and kill it, but that just turns my screen black.
[14:46] <pepijndevos_> lost_soul: nope, none of the common shortcuts do anything, and there are no buttons that look useful.
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[14:46] <pepijndevos_> I'm currently using elinks, which works for some simple things.
[14:47] <lost_soul> pepijndevos_: this shows how to do it.. seems weird though http://www.netsurf-browser.org/documentation/guide
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[14:47] <lacrymology> lost_soul: Yeah, I was thinking of using raspbian. The thing is that I'm thinking of two things. First, building a server. I want to install a webserver and ownClould, and a couple more services for it. I found instructions and scripts on those things, one of them uses a Raspbian/TKL lovechild, the other one uses just raspbian and a script that installs things.
[14:47] <lost_soul> NetSurf > Quit
[14:48] <lacrymology> lost_soul: the second thing is that I'd like to have another image to use as a gaming box, and somehow switching between images, and I'm not sure how to do that. I'm guessing the answer contains `dd`
[14:48] <lost_soul> lacrymology: easiest to just use two sdcards and swap between them
[14:49] <pepijndevos_> lost_soul: you see, on the framebuffer ther is no iconbar, and I don't know what adjust clicking is.
[14:50] <lacrymology> lost_soul: I don't have two right now. And I'd like to learn how to do that anyways, so I can backup state before playing and breaking stuffs
[14:50] <pepijndevos_> there are two things that I would call bars, the toolbar and the status bar. Neither contains a netsurf icon.
[14:51] <pepijndevos_> but in theory, if netsurf is running in a framebuffer, should I be able to use ctrl+alt+f4 to go to a terminal?
[14:51] <pepijndevos_> or does the framebuffer just override everything?
[14:52] <lost_soul> lacrymology: I'm not sure if any boot loaders exist for the pi
[14:54] <lost_soul> pepijndevos_: I'm not sure. I've never used that browser
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[14:57] <lacrymology> lost_soul: I don't want a boot loader, I'd really rather just dump an image and reload it
[14:58] <lacrymology> lost_soul: I have no monitor and no keyboard, this has to be 100% headless (ssh) in all modes
[14:58] <lacrymology> multibooting would be a problem, actually
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[15:00] <lost_soul> lacrymology: most distributions come with ssh installed, at least that I've seen
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[15:14] <lacrymology> lost_soul: yeah, I think just dumping my pubkey in /root/.ssh/ should be enough
[15:15] <lacrymology> lost_soul: what I meant is that if I dual-boot, I'd need to manually input which installation I want to run
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[15:17] <lost_soul> lacrymology: true
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[15:28] <pepijndevos_> ahhhhh! sound is still terrible with a 4-pole connector.
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[15:28] <pepijndevos_> anything I can try?
[15:29] <pepijndevos_> The sound is just really distorted.
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[15:29] <lost_soul> someone else mentioned crappy sound.. actually it was a youtube video.. they ended up using sound out of the hdmi using an adapter
[15:30] <pepijndevos_> if i turn down the volume it's just noise, if I turn up the volume it gets better.
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[15:31] <lost_soul> pepijndevos_: I have no clue if it is even installed... but maybe check and see if pulse audio is installed
[15:31] <pepijndevos_> lost_soul: would it be good or bad if it where?
[15:31] <lost_soul> I've seen that distort.. removing it and using alsamixer solved my issue
[15:31] <pepijndevos_> I see...
[15:31] <lost_soul> pepijndevos_: it would be a place to start
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[15:33] <pepijndevos_> lost_soul: no pulseaudio in sight.
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[15:35] <lost_soul> pepijndevos_: okay... another option is the adapter... but ask again in here about crappy audio when more ppl are paying attention and perhaps someone has a better (cheaper) idea
[15:36] <pepijndevos_> lost_soul: I seem to remember there is this stereo wav file hiding somewhere for testing.
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[15:37] <pepijndevos_> I copied some music from my mac, and I also heard that alac has some problems...
[15:37] <lost_soul> I'm sure you can download test wav files from several places
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[15:38] <lost_soul> http://www.kozco.com/tech/soundtests.html
[15:38] <lost_soul> for one
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[15:40] <pepijndevos_> will try
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[15:45] <pepijndevos_> nope, the wav files also sound terrible
[15:45] <pepijndevos_> but it only makes noice when it's playing, otherwise it's silent.
[15:46] <lost_soul> pepijndevos_: well, see what the others say.. worst case scenario you could try the hdmi to composite audio converter
[15:47] <pepijndevos_> that's probably a box I need to buy... not just a dumb cable
[15:47] <pepijndevos_> I could also buy a usb soundcard
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[15:48] <lost_soul> pepijndevos_: http://www.raspberrypi.org/forums/viewtopic.php?p=103330
[15:49] <pepijndevos_> I actually bought the B+ for its alleged improved sound.
[15:50] <pepijndevos_> I need to figure out how to copy-paste in tmux. typing over urls is not so fun.
[15:52] <lost_soul> pepijndevos_: it copies when you select it
[15:52] <lost_soul> to paste middle click
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[15:54] <pksato> pepijndevos_: B+ ?
[15:54] <pksato> ah.. yes.
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[15:55] <pepijndevos_> pksato: yes, but it's actually as bad or worse as my old B
[15:55] <pksato> GND on 4 pole AV connecter is not last barrel/ring/sheeve like on 3 pole plug.
[15:56] <pksato> GND is 3th from tip.
[15:56] <pksato> last from tip is video out.
[15:57] <pksato> B+ have better audio filterig.
[15:57] <pepijndevos_> uum, what order is the iPod? I used a converter for it's microphone that I made a long time ago.
[15:58] <pksato> normal B have only a simple RC filer, some pcm/pwm noise can pass.
[15:59] <pksato> about A/V connector on B+ http://www.raspberrypi.org/forums/viewtopic.php?p=585631#p585631
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[16:03] <pepijndevos_> pksato: according to the internet the ipod uses the sleeve for mic and 3 for ground, so I should be good.
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[16:07] <pksato> Only problem is that mic now show video. :)
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[16:08] <pepijndevos_> pksato: there is no mic attached. Though I could solder a composite plug to assure everything is wired correctly.
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[16:10] <bugy_> hello here. I've tried both XBMC distros from raspberrypi download page and both are ending with black screen ... Idea why
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[16:11] <pepijndevos_> bugy_: what is the screen in this case?
[16:11] <bugy_> HDTV
[16:12] <pepijndevos_> so, direct hdmi, no converters
[16:12] <lost_soul> which two distros are those
[16:12] <bugy_> I did'n have network cable plugged ... can that be a reason ...
[16:12] <james_olympus> Does your setup work with a different operating system (e.g. Raspbian)?
[16:12] <bugy_> OpenELEC
[16:12] <bugy_> RaspBMC
[16:13] <bugy_> works fine on raspbian
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[16:13] <lost_soul> I've had a black screen when their wasn't enough power
[16:13] <bugy_> I hear a single beep and black screen in both case
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[16:14] <bugy_> distro are boot-ing ok
[16:14] <bugy_> they do resize and initial setups or whatever they do
[16:14] <pepijndevos_> bugy_: if you ssh in, you could look at log files and poke at things.
[16:15] <james_olympus> Is config_hdmi_boost setting in /boot/config.txt different between the distributions?
[16:15] <bugy_> are those distros ( XBMC) Xorg based or something else
[16:16] <bugy_> james_olympus: I dont really know .. I've just trying to boot in something
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[16:21] <bugy_> thank you for the answers ... I'll try something
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[17:14] <sine0> so you guys are saying usb is better than sd in terms of a permenant storage soloutions
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[17:17] <jaggz-l> sine0: why is that?
[17:20] <sine0> i heard that it was better to have usb storage because of hte life expectancy of microsd over thumb usb
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[17:31] <lost_soul> sine0 it is better for a few reasons.. no worries about storage becoming corrupt if te sdcard does, it's faster than the sdcard
[17:31] <lost_soul> etc, etc
[17:32] <lost_soul> quite a few threads out there that discuss the pro's and con's
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[18:03] <Boscop> i bought a LED strip that needs 5 V and ~75 W. but i can't find a power supply for that
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[18:04] <pksato> 75W? Its is lot of power. Try ATX PSU.
[18:05] <SpeedEvil> That seems unlijeky
[18:05] <SpeedEvil> Is it an addressable strip?
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[18:08] <flexo_> hm. still having stability issues with my b+
[18:08] <flexo_> voltage is good
[18:09] <flexo_> with the serial console attached i now at least get some information when it happens
[18:09] <flexo_> i'll report back on the next freeze..
[18:09] <sine0> how long have you been running it flexo_
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[18:27] <paulo_> hello
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[18:33] <paulo_> can I dump EEPROMs with pi?
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[18:35] <shiftplusone> yeah
[18:35] <therion23> there are writers around yeah
[18:35] <therion23> cant remember exactly where i saw them though
[18:36] <shiftplusone> well, you can use the pi directly. Many use i2c, for example.
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[18:37] <therion23> i have seen homemade PIC programmers too which you can find if you are a bit creative with google
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[19:14] <pksato> Today, I found parts of a cell phone `spreaded` on street. And pick up this display module. http://imgur.com/a/vZD2C
[19:15] <ShorTie> little bit of buffing and your good to go...
[19:16] <pksato> But, I ripped flat cable that connect to pcb. :(
[19:17] <bugy_> so now u have couple of glass flats ...
[19:19] <bugy_> I may have somewhere display from gameboy advance sp
[19:19] <bugy_> if I can find signal diagram
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[19:20] <pksato> http://www.encore-electronic.com/samsung/lts200qq-f05/
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[19:24] <pksato> and, have a camera...
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[19:40] <pksato> PSU waiting to be tested http://i.imgur.com/kAK8WvR.jpg
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[20:00] <glycol> spi is confusing.. so if the slave can only send as much data as the master sends, does that mean when something periodically outputs text-based messages that the serial console handles that under the hood?
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[20:34] <gordonDrogon> anyone use the seeed "grove" stuff at all?
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[20:41] <Aqua`> Got my pi all set up :)
[20:42] <Aqua`> So now.. How to stream my android phone screen to my TV using the rpi?
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[22:01] <almostworking> Aqua`: i dunno what ur running on pi, but raspbmc and rasplex i am able to put stuff onto my screen using my phone
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[22:01] <Aqua`> Streaming your screen of your android device?
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[22:03] <almostworking> Aqua`: ohhhh, no ive not done that, just pushing you tube and media server stuff
[22:04] <almostworking> im curious about trying LTSP with the new pi, im ordering soon tou
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[22:19] <jaggz-l> how do I set my wifi ip to be static?
[22:19] <jaggz-l> using rasbian
[22:19] <therion23> you edit /etc/network/interfaces
[22:20] <jaggz-l> can I do that for individual wifi networks or just for the interface?
[22:20] <therion23> well, its per-interface
[22:21] <therion23> if you need to define more wifi networks you need to tinker with wpa_supplicant.conf
[22:21] <jaggz-l> since it's a wifi usb dongle, do I leave it 'manual' or set it to 'static' ? should find a page on this
[22:22] <jaggz-l> also, need to set my locale to en-us .. british kb layout is messing me up :)
[22:22] <Encrypt> jaggz-l, Will you keep the Pi on your network?
[22:22] <therion23> iface wlan0 inet static
[22:23] <therion23> and then address and netmask
[22:23] <Encrypt> Or will you move it from one network to the other?
[22:23] <jaggz-l> I think I'll almost always have it on my one network, but I did want to know about it if I didn't.
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[22:23] <Encrypt> Ok
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[22:23] <Encrypt> jaggz-l, Then, the best is to do a DHCP lease
[22:23] <jaggz-l> I have done interfaces on other linux (debian) systems with static eth0 connections as well as wifi, but never did .. 'roaming'
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[22:24] <Encrypt> That is to say enter in your router as administrator and fix the IP there
[22:24] <Encrypt> That means that you don't have to change the /etc/network/interfaces file
[22:24] <jaggz-l> ah, is that what leasing is? per mac-address perhaps? never looked into that
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[22:24] <MY123> A Raspberry Pi 2 is now impossible.
[22:24] <Encrypt> The router will automatically give it an IP
[22:24] <Encrypt> And the RPi will keep this IP
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[22:25] <gordonDrogon> MY123, a Raspberry Pi 2 what?
[22:25] <Encrypt> jaggz-l, Yes, that's what it is ;)
[22:25] <therion23> yeah, set your router to always give the same IP to your pi's MAC address
[22:25] <Encrypt> That's a moer flexible way to give an IP
[22:25] <Encrypt> And would you move the Pi, you have the traditionnal config file
[22:25] <Encrypt> Which means it's DHCP by default
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[22:26] <Encrypt> I used to give a static IP to my pi setting the attrribute "static" in the /etc/network/interfaces file
[22:26] <Encrypt> But finally, I changed everything
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[22:26] <Encrypt> On thursday :p
[22:27] <MY123> gordonDrogon: Broadcom did lay off all their VideoCore and mobile SoC unit.
[22:27] <therion23> yeah same here .. its so much easier just having one table in dnsmasq
[22:27] <jaggz-l> where's the pipe on british kb? :)
[22:27] <Encrypt> I did leases to all my home connected appliances
[22:27] <Encrypt> (PC, Karotz, RPi, etc)
[22:27] <Encrypt> Now, I know which device has which IP
[22:27] <Encrypt> And I didn't have to edit anything
[22:27] <jaggz-l> Encrypt: just the leases in the router.. all in one place
[22:27] <Encrypt> Yes :)
[22:28] <Encrypt> And would I move the laptop to another network...
[22:28] <jaggz-l> right.. awesome
[22:28] <Encrypt> No need to re-activate DHCP
[22:28] <Encrypt> re-enable*
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[22:31] <jaggz-l> looking for the lease setup in the router now.. (dlink)
[22:31] <Encrypt> :]
[22:33] <jaggz-l> what if the computer name doesn't match the actual name, but the mac address does?
[22:33] <MY123> Started Freeblob in the right moment
[22:33] <almostworking> hey , what distro for pi, would u guys suggest for me runnin a bouncer and IRC bot, plus prob. google cloud print? ARch, or ?
[22:33] <jaggz-l> (need to look into changing device names too) ..
[22:34] <jaggz-l> When I get multiple rpi's I might want different names.. not that it's important at this point
[22:34] <jaggz-l> but this one I'd call "raspberry spri" because it'll control my sprinklers
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[22:36] <Encrypt> jaggz-l, Thze name you have in your router is a memo
[22:36] <Encrypt> To allow you to identify simply the device
[22:36] <Encrypt> The important point is the MAC address
[22:37] <jaggz-l> thanks
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[22:38] <Encrypt> You're welcome ;)
[22:38] <Aqua`> What is ltsp almostworking?
[22:39] <almostworking> linux terminal server project( using a server , ratherthen resources of the pi .
[22:40] <almostworking> giving u a DE , using resources of more powerfull machhine
[22:40] <almostworking> ill brb........ i ot some stuff to do
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[22:44] <jaggz-l> 99-input.rules on the wall, 99-input.rules .. o/¬
[22:44] <jaggz-l> never used xbmc.. why's it need ownership of all tty's?
[22:45] <jaggz-l> ahh.. xbmc-standalone..
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[22:55] <Hackwar> hi folks, is it normal that the default interface of XBMC is very slow on the raspi?
[22:55] <Hackwar> or am I doing something wrong?
[22:58] <shiftplusone> seems fine for me, for localish media
[22:58] <shiftplusone> youtube and such was painful though
[22:59] <almostworking> Rasplex works quite speedy for me.......
[22:59] <almostworking> just fyi
[23:00] <pksato> Hackwar: stand alone instalation of XBMC? or from some pre load system, like openelec or (forget the name).
[23:00] <Hackwar> I used xbian
[23:02] <pksato> XMBC UI on RPi is not fast.
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[23:05] <IT_Sean> I used to run OpenELEC on my early Model B, and it ran without too much issue.
[23:05] <Hackwar> ok, will try that
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[23:10] <lost_soul> yea, openelec isn't to bad so long as cover art isn't being displayed and such
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[23:14] <almostworking> Hackwar: what media server do you use?
[23:14] <almostworking> also has anyone tried this: http://www.element14.com/community/community/raspberry-pi/raspberry-pi-compute-module/blog/2014/06/26/raspberry-pi-compute-module--getting-started
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[23:16] <Encrypt> almostworking, gordonDrogon has if I remember well
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[23:16] <almostworking> ah, ok.......
[23:16] <almostworking> cool
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[23:17] <Encrypt> He has bunch of Pis :P
[23:17] * almostworking is crious about that model pi
[23:17] <almostworking> im also curious about that new, hummingboard , product
[23:17] <almostworking> anyone use that?
[23:17] <Encrypt> But the compute module is for businesses mainly
[23:17] <almostworking> oh ok ,
[23:18] <almostworking> makes sense
[23:18] <IT_Sean> It's designed for embedded applications
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[23:19] <almostworking> Encrypt: what media server are you using if u dont mind? im using Rasplex, for pi ......... which is for plex servers, and its quite speedy UI.
[23:19] <Encrypt> media server?
[23:19] <Encrypt> Like a NAS?
[23:20] <almostworking> esp . when u cache the content locally on pi , album artwork etc
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[23:20] <almostworking> yea, media sever ...... a program like plex, or ps3 media sever ..... serves up content, on local network
[23:20] <almostworking> some NAS devices can run them too ofc
[23:20] <Encrypt> I don't have any personally
[23:21] <almostworking> ohhh, ok..... u had mentioned raspbmc.
[23:22] <almostworking> assumed u might have one
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[23:22] <almostworking> i plan on buying one of these , or anothe simular model i had found, QNAP names a ton of models:
[23:22] <almostworking> http://www.smallnetbuilder.com/nas/nas-news/32462-more-qnap-nases-home-dual-core-celerons-this-time
[23:22] <almostworking> Encrypt: ^
[23:23] <almostworking> it doesn a TON of stuff, IP cameras.
[23:23] <almostworking> RSYNC< suser accounts, list is endless almost
[23:23] <Encrypt> Nope, jaggz-l mentionned raspbmc I think
[23:23] <almostworking> ohhhhh, ok sorry .
[23:23] <Encrypt> ;)
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[23:23] <almostworking> im in about 24 channels right now
[23:23] <Encrypt> :D
[23:23] <almostworking> heh
[23:24] <almostworking> welll check out rasplex, anyway if u want, google finds em also some youtube clips, for rasplex 4.0 RC4 that sow it off
[23:26] <almostworking> im in the process of getting a 2nd pi, to run a supybot , so im wondering what best, rasp. pi distro be best, or searching for the best now.
[23:26] <almostworking> i dont really need a GUI, etc
[23:27] <lost_soul> my qnap has done quite well for me.. though I should have got a larger unit
[23:27] <lost_soul> 4 drives just isn't enough
[23:27] <almostworking> no expansion bay options on ur model? they have those now, i wasnt aware of that
[23:28] <almostworking> friend of mine got an 8 bay model ...... 28TB
[23:28] <lost_soul> almostworking: I've never heard anything of a expansion bay.. I have the T412 if memory serves
[23:28] <lost_soul> or maybe is TS412
[23:29] <lost_soul> http://www.qnap.com/en/?sn=822&c=351&sc=514&t=522&n=3415
[23:29] <lost_soul> yep, the TS412
[23:29] <almostworking> here is an expansion bay ( they make more then a few if memory serves lost_soul , http://www.qnap.com/useng/index.php?lang=en-us&sn=862&c=355&sc=2785&t=2996&n=20517
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[23:30] <lost_soul> I should have went for the 8 bay.. money was tight at that time but it would have been worth waiting a bit longer to have the extra capacity
[23:30] <peemo> hello, my grandpa is getting internet in about a week and needs a computer. i have an extra raspberry pi sitting in my closet and was wondering if you think it will be fast enough to use as a web browser?
[23:31] <peemo> i know it can browse the web just fine, but is it quick enough to load videos and such?
[23:31] <almostworking> im waiting until i can get an 8 bay , ( which in my case is $100 more then a 6 bay for that previously linked media server edittion model)
[23:31] <almostworking> maybe u can get expansion buy for ur TS 412? i dunno........
[23:31] <almostworking> good news is that QNAPs have great re sale value if u do upgrade.
[23:32] <lost_soul> almostworking: I'll definately look in to it before I buy anything, thanks for the information.
[23:32] <almostworking> np, lost_soul i would read smallnetbuilder.com
[23:32] <almostworking> they have a ton of grat info on NAS and routers
[23:32] <lost_soul> nice
[23:33] <almostworking> yea, i use that site, plus follow some NAS stuff on google +.
[23:33] <almostworking> G+ = great, esp when bored on my phone
[23:34] <almostworking> peemo: i have no idea, ive never used a pi as a stand alone desktop.
[23:34] <peemo> almostworking: i did for a tiny bit but i cant remember the web browsing experience much
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[23:35] <peemo> almostworking: i only used it for xbmc and making LED lights blink
[23:35] <ppq> peemo, it is *very* slow. turning off JS improves it a bit but it's still not fun. how about getting an old notebook and put xubuntu or debian on it
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[23:35] <lost_soul> I used raspbian once, installed mplayer to test watching movies and it was horrible (the movie was studdering badly) I think their is a setting or something to make video work betterthough
[23:36] <almostworking> hm, well flash , etc is a resource hog, so i would only use a rasp. pi fo a thin client peemo , so imo, no. not great solution, u can get a used thinkpad T61 for $100 where i live
[23:36] <peemo> hmm ok thanks for the input guys
[23:36] <almostworking> np peemo , linux works great on thinkpads
[23:36] <almostworking> ive been using them for yrs
[23:36] <peemo> he has never used the internet before, so i dont know if he will miss anything
[23:37] <almostworking> eh, well thinkpad would still be best, $100.
[23:37] <ppq> ack
[23:37] <almostworking> $100 isnt much, T61 thinkpad is hardly new
[23:37] <peemo> T61 is a good cheap model?
[23:37] <almostworking> just put ubuntu on it , = hell be happy.
[23:38] <almostworking> peemo: yes, T61 thinkpads are great imo, i have one here .
[23:38] <almostworking> older ones, reliaable, lots of options, easy to upgrade / repair ....... lots of ports
[23:38] <almostworking> they love linux...... ubuntu is easy , even for older people to use
[23:39] <almostworking> oh, lost_soul yea, i use Rasplex and i play / stream 1080p movies on it no probem, direct render
[23:39] <peemo> is getting ubuntu running approximately the same as setting up raspbian?
[23:39] <almostworking> yes.
[23:39] <peemo> ok
[23:40] <peemo> i can do it with a usb stick?
[23:40] <almostworking> just as easy, install CD, or install on bootable USB, and install onto laptop
[23:40] <peemo> ok
[23:40] <peemo> ty
[23:40] <almostworking> np
[23:40] <peemo> i see them for $100 in toronto as well
[23:40] <jaggz-l> is it just me or is xbmc completely unusable and slow?
[23:40] <lost_soul> my son needs me, bbl.. enjoy everyone
[23:40] <jaggz-l> it seems it's trying to flicker the screen when I move the mouse
[23:40] <almostworking> oh good peemo , get one with 4GB RAM ull be fine.
[23:41] <jaggz-l> but it lags a second between each change in brightness
[23:41] <peemo> jaggz-l: i’ve used it quite a bit
[23:41] <almostworking> jaggz-l: i dunno, i use Rasplex, which is the plex version of XBMC for rasp. pi
[23:41] <peemo> jaggz-l: its a little slow, but worked well for me
[23:42] * almostworking thinks plex server is better , but thats imo
[23:42] <almostworking> i also have a giant content libary, no cable TV here
[23:42] <jaggz-l> weird.. I'm using rasbian.. maybe it's just slow.. or maybe it's the inexpensive video card I put on my pi
[23:42] <jaggz-l> (kidding)
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[23:42] <almostworking> heh
[23:43] <peemo> jaggz-l: check out this http://www.htpcbeginner.com/10-tweaks-to-improve-xbmc-performance-on-raspberry-pi/
[23:43] <jaggz-l> someone said I could watch tv shows on it and stuff
[23:43] <peemo> jaggz-l: you can! i stream live sports on it just fine.
[23:43] <almostworking> they do make a , board now " hummingboard" a pi based board, thats faster, up upspeced ,
[23:43] <jaggz-l> is there a plugin I need? or perhaps I should get rasplex instead anyway (I'm not terribly impressed with xbmc's functionality just yet)
[23:44] <jaggz-l> if I go to any submenus the mouse locks up and I get that flicker thing
[23:44] <jaggz-l> almostworking: ahh, is the hummingboard out now?
[23:44] <almostworking> rasplex, uses Plex server ( plex server goes on a computer in the house, and serves content on it to other devices)
[23:44] <jaggz-l> I was looking at some of the alternatives to rpi but figured I'd start with this puppy
[23:45] <almostworking> jaggz-l: i dunno, ive been looking for a hummingboard, but cant find one for sale online
[23:45] <peemo> jaggz-l: what kind of stuff do you plan on watching? there are tons of add-ons
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[23:45] <jaggz-l> well, we have dish and netflix.. but I think when I'm in the garage I'd like to see other available online tv?
[23:46] <jaggz-l> and my rpi is going in the garage to control the sprinklers, so it'd be nice to put our old lcd tv up there and have some media when I'm there too..
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[23:46] <almostworking> i have no idea if netflix is on rasplex or not.......... i only use it , to watch my own personal media content.
[23:46] <peemo> jaggz-l: get sportsdevil for the garage
[23:46] <peemo> jaggz-l: xmbc has a netflix add-on
[23:47] <peemo> i gtg
[23:47] <jaggz-l> byeee.. thanks :) :)
[23:47] <almostworking> yep, actually I heard that xbmc has a plex add on too, now that i think about it
[23:47] <peemo> take care, hope u get it working for what u want
[23:47] <jaggz-l> where do we get addons?
[23:47] <almostworking> i dunno, - not used xbmc in like 8 yrs
[23:47] <jaggz-l> haven't looked yet.. of course, xbmc is not working to get to that point anyway.. reading that page
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[23:47] <jaggz-l> I see
[23:47] <peemo> http://www.xbmchub.com/blog/how-to-install-sportsdevil-and-then-update-with-the-new-sportsdevil-fixes-updater-plugin/
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[23:59] <SpeedEvil> http://www.amazon.co.uk/Bug-a-salt-Garden-Lawn-Supply-Maintenance/dp/B00EXLC2YO/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1406411947&sr=8-1&keywords=bug-a-salt + pi
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