#raspberrypi IRC Log


IRC Log for 2014-07-27

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[0:01] <Sasha> just wondering
[0:01] <Sasha> is overscan supported on hdmi?
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[0:04] <Aqua`> Yes Sasha
[0:04] <Aqua`> I had 4 black bars on my monitor
[0:04] <Aqua`> I turned off overscan
[0:04] <Aqua`> And then it was gone
[0:04] <Aqua`> So I guess it supports overscan, no?
[0:05] <Sasha> ah I have the opposite
[0:05] <Aqua`> I edited some config file but forgot which one
[0:05] <Aqua`> I could look it up if you want
[0:05] <Sasha> parts of the screen are hidden
[0:05] <Sasha> no I've found it
[0:05] <DanDare> Aqua`, i think its /boot/config.tx
[0:05] <Sasha> but I've been battling to set the proper resolution for hours now
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[0:05] <Aqua`> Yes it is
[0:06] <Sasha> It's 1366x768 and it keeps defaulting to 1080p
[0:06] <Aqua`> Hmm, I know how to fix that I think.. Not sure
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[0:06] <Aqua`> What settings have you set on /boot/config.txt?
[0:06] <Aqua`> Or edited?
[0:07] <Sasha> Right now I added hdmi_safe=1 which works but the res is too low
[0:07] <DanDare> i needed to change lines about 'overscan' left, right, bottom, top. but for composite video out
[0:07] <Sasha> I don't know how big the overscan should be though
[0:08] <Aqua`> Hmm, I know how
[0:08] <Aqua`> One sec
[0:09] <Aqua`> I'll pm you
[0:09] <Sasha> Ok thanks
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[0:11] <DanDare> Im having this problem of 'disabling IRQ #32' on the wifi adapter. It can be fixed by using a powered USB hub ?
[0:11] <almostworking> lost_soul: here is a video of what i use at home for videos on my rasp. pi : http://youtu.be/GubOpV-Envg
[0:11] <almostworking> for when u get back
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[0:12] <jaggz-l> SpeedEvil: salt.. cool
[0:12] <glycol> anyone familiar with bcm2835_spi_* functions?
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[0:23] <jaggz|2> okay.. now to learn how to control relays with the rpi
[0:23] <jaggz|2> need to control 6 of them
[0:24] <jaggz|2> sending from 12 to 24v ac though them, ideally
[0:24] <jaggz|2> what happens if you send 12vdc through a relay? they usually have a rectifier in them don't they? possibly get chatter and shorten the relay life?
[0:25] <Aqua`> Sorry, can't help you with that
[0:25] <Aqua`> Yet..
[0:25] <ShorTie> point side really does not care the voltage
[0:26] <ShorTie> it's the current (amps) that fries them
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[0:28] <ShorTie> normally they are just a coil and set of points, No rectifier or anything else
[0:29] <jaggz|2> http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B00C8O9KHA/ref=oh_aui_detailpage_o00_s00?ie=UTF8&psc=1
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[0:32] <ShorTie> ok, it's a relay board, now what ??
[0:32] <zouave> ugh dd takes a metric age :(
[0:32] <jaggz|2> ShorTie: oh.. that's the one I got.. need to learn how to wire it up
[0:32] <jaggz|2> This guy in the comments says: To use it, you need to supply 5v (VCC) and ground (GRD) to the respective pins. It's a 'LOW ACTIVATED' circuit, meaning you need to connect each pin to ground to activate the relay. Use a resistor and NPN transistor in combination with a pulldown resistor to activate each channel. Raspberry PI uses 3.3v and Arduino outputs 5v, so you'll need to adjust the resistor ac
[0:33] <jaggz|2> zouave: did you set the bs?
[0:33] <zouave> yeah, it's at 32m
[0:33] <jaggz|2> you can also send a -USR1 signal to dd I think to get it to report status
[0:33] <zouave> started it at 5 past :|
[0:33] <pksato> jaggz|2: if now have a revision, this relay board nor work proper on rpi if direct connected.
[0:33] <jaggz|2> iirc
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[0:33] <zouave> apparently on OSX that kills the process :/
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[0:39] <jaggz-l> pksato: yeah, it's probably best not to.. an individual relay or 2 might not draw too much current from the rpi, but if operated simuktaneousky the demand is higher, of course
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[0:40] <jaggz-l> so, ideally i'd have external power and the rpi would feed a tra sistor
[0:40] <ShorTie> you might need a resistor, the pi is just lighting an led in the opto-coupler
[0:41] <jaggz-l> ShorTie: that to me?
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[0:41] <ShorTie> ya
[0:41] <pksato> jaggz-l: the problem on this module is what have two leds on series, 3v3 it not enough to drive.
[0:42] <jaggz-l> ahh
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[0:43] <jaggz-l> http://elinux.org/RPi_GPIO_Interface_Circuits#Driving_a_relay
[0:43] <jaggz-l> yeah, i was looking at that earlier
[0:43] <pksato> but, to use, connect gnd anj jd-vcc to 5V psu (cam be same as rpi, but not from gpio header)
[0:43] <pksato> connect vcc to 3v3 on gpio header, and INx to GPIO pins.
[0:44] <jaggz-l> im using a 5v usb adaptor.. does the rpi have output for its 5v input anywhere?
[0:44] <pksato> ensures that jd-vcc and vcc never connect.
[0:45] <jaggz-l> looks like pin 2 is 5v
[0:46] <pksato> dont use 5V from RPi.
[0:46] <plugwash> Yes there is a 5V pin on the GPIO header which can be used to take 5V port from the Pi but the IO lines are NOT 5V tolerant so you have to be careful
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[0:47] <jaggz-l> that means id need to chop up my usb adaptor cable to feed off its supply (1.5a supply)
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[0:48] <jaggz-l> not wanting to solder onto the usb pins :)
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[0:49] <pksato> use two usb extension cable and make a power split cable.
[0:49] <jaggz-l> is there a 5v input pin that i can wire directly to?
[0:50] <jaggz-l> yeah, i dont have extra usb connectors... could get some
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[0:50] <jaggz-l> the relays need to drive 24vac too, so ill need another power supply for that anyway
[0:51] <pksato> 8 relay need >400mA. 5V on GPIO can not exceed 50mA.
[0:52] * sutty is now known as sutty\away
[0:52] <jaggz-l> one guy who did such a project used 12vdc for the solenoids he was switching (instead of their desired 24vac), and that let him get away with using one supply, and a cigarette lighter adaptor circuit to bring it to 5vdc for the rpi
[0:53] <jaggz-l> these are for sprinklers.. onky will be operating one relay at a ti,e
[0:53] <jaggz-l> only
[0:53] <jaggz-l> but i thunk the transistor method will be good practice, and safer
[0:54] <ShorTie> 1 at a time, the 5v on the gpio header should handle that
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[0:54] <jaggz-l> id need to make sure my coding is safe, ShorTie :)
[0:55] <jaggz-l> which wouldnt be difficult
[0:55] <ShorTie> the transitor is not really needed because the opto-coupler is preforming that function
[0:56] <plugwash> You can use the 5V pin on the GPIO header as either a power input or a power output
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[0:57] <jaggz-l> (btw, it says each relay onky draw 15-20ma)
[0:58] * plugwash likes the traco TSR1-2450 for powering arm linux boards off higher supply voltages (works with input voltages anywhere from 6.5V to 36V)
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[0:58] <jaggz-l> plug, ahh, so i can just sever my usb adaptor cable and join it there.. hmmm
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[0:58] <Aqua`> Ugh
[0:59] <jaggz-l> or i couod keep the handy micro end and just splice to its wires
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[1:01] <jaggz-l> ShorTie: i dont understand abiutnthe optocoupler
[1:01] * cccyRegeaneWolfe is now known as cccy_RegeaneWolf
[1:01] <jaggz-l> about
[1:03] <pksato> optocouplers are device to isolate two circuit. normaly a low voltage and high voltage (ac mains).
[1:03] <glycol> i have a device that connects to the pi via spi and its (binary) protocol apparently sometimes responds with more or less data than sent, is there a good method to tackle this before i start trying stupid things?
[1:03] <pksato> or to avoid grond looping on audio or rf circuits.
[1:04] <jaggz-l> but they arent switching higher current are they?
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[1:04] <jedix> hey
[1:05] <Aqua`> Hi
[1:05] <plugwash> usually optocouplers have current switching capability comparable to a small discrete transistor
[1:06] <pksato> optocoupler activates a high power device, like a relay.
[1:07] <plugwash> usually the input of an optocoupler will be able to be driven from a logic IO line and the output will be able to tolerate driving something like a relay coil
[1:07] <plugwash> though I would consider using an optocoupler to switch a relay to be the sort of thing paranoid newbies do
[1:08] <plugwash> usually it's not a problem to have a 5V and a 12V (or whatever) supply with a common ground and just switch your relays using transistors
[1:08] <jaggz-l> the relay board aupposedly has optocouplers uilt i
[1:08] <jaggz-l> uilt
[1:11] <pksato> and have a high power capable optocouples, like SSR.
[1:11] * cccy_RegeaneWolf is now known as cccyRegeaneWolfe
[1:14] <jaggz-l> the amaon page says the optos are el817 but the manuf. link doesnt work .. its down the page in the faq section (1st question) http://www.amazon.com/Kootek-Channel-Module-Arduino-Raspberry/dp/B00C8O9KHA
[1:14] <jaggz-l> ive wired things before.. switches and such.. but im a newbie when it comes to anything more advanced
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[1:15] <jedix> I'm trying to get multi-channel output from squeezlite. I am running the HDMI into a box that puts out HDMI + spdif. Is there a way to either mirror the channels or enable 5.1 by default?
[1:16] <jedix> tvservice -a reports everything as max channel 8, max bitrate 192k
[1:17] <jedix> err.. max sample rate 192k
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[1:18] <jedix> I'm guessing this is a bit of a too specific question
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[1:21] <glycol> jedix: http://www.raspberrypi.org/forums/viewtopic.php?f=35&t=43638 anything useful there?
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[1:24] <jedix> glycol: no, I have it detecting it supports the sound outputs.. I *think* I need to set up asound.conf to force 5.1 in some sort of up-sampling
[1:25] <Aqua`> Does anyone know any project for the rpi I don't need any external hardware for?
[1:25] <jedix> or select a subdevice listed from "aplay -l" for sqeezelite
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[1:26] <jaggz-l> Aqua`: its a computer?
[1:26] <Aqua`> Yeah, I know
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[1:26] <Aqua`> I did the pirate radiostation
[1:27] <Aqua`> That was fun
[1:28] <Aqua`> I want to connect my android screen to my TV through the pi
[1:28] <jaggz-l> hm,.. my android ohone has hdmi output
[1:28] <IT_Sean> Most do.
[1:28] <Aqua`> Mine has microusb output
[1:29] <Aqua`> Can probably go to hdmi
[1:29] <Aqua`> But meh
[1:29] <Aqua`> Don't got a cable
[1:29] <Aqua`> But do got a pi
[1:29] <Aqua`> The pie is a lie
[1:29] <jaggz-l> hmm.. not sure .. might require root for an app to have screen accews
[1:30] <Aqua`> Got a full custom rom
[1:30] <Aqua`> So no problem
[1:30] <Aqua`> Running cyanogenmod aokp and paranoid android all in one rom
[1:30] <jaggz-l> look for apps maybe.. not sure about the usb output capabilities thiugh
[1:30] <Aqua`> It has options to do stuff like that in stock
[1:30] <Aqua`> I think
[1:30] <Aqua`> Not sure
[1:31] <jaggz-l> could do vnc maybe then.. if theres a vnc server for the phone
[1:31] <DanDare> I can supply 5V to pi, directly on the GPIO bar ?
[1:32] <jaggz-l> hey dandare.. someone said you can just a bit ago
[1:32] <IT_Sean> You can, but it bypasses the ployfuses
[1:32] <DanDare> I see, thanks
[1:32] <IT_Sean> it is recommended to supply via the microUSB port
[1:32] <DanDare> it will be temporary. Im going to strip a microUSB cable and will need to find what are the ground and 5v wires
[1:33] <ShorTie> normally the black n red
[1:33] <DanDare> IT_Sean, im having problems with pi while plugging USB stuff. Will use a pc PSU to feed pi on the microUSB port
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[1:33] <DanDare> to see if the problem is related to insufficient current
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[1:34] <IT_Sean> DanDare: your USB cable will have four wires: Black, White, Green, and Red. White and Green are USB D+-. Ignore them. Black is GND. Red is +5vDC
[1:34] <DanDare> Nice, thank you !
[1:34] <IT_Sean> Aye.
[1:34] <MY123> There is a bad thing to the Pi in short term.
[1:36] <MY123> (Totally unrelated to the posts above)
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[1:42] <DanDare> this is bad
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[1:43] <shiftplusone> What's bad?
[1:43] <ShorTie> smoke ??
[1:43] <DanDare> my pi freezes if wifi network traffic goes intense
[1:43] <DanDare> even using a 5V 25A PSU. so thats not the problem
[1:43] <ShorTie> are you powering from the pi ??
[1:43] <DanDare> yeah
[1:44] <ShorTie> you need a powered hub for wifi most likely
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[1:44] <DanDare> the own pi USP connector powering the wifi dongle
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[1:44] <DanDare> damn, weird. it was working the past 2 days
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[1:45] <IT_Sean> The smaller wifi dongles can be run right offa pi
[1:45] <DanDare> when i used it for the first time :)
[1:45] <DanDare> IT_Sean, mine is the small one, without external antenna etc
[1:45] <IT_Sean> that's not very specific... there are a lot of dongles on the market that fit that description.
[1:46] <shiftplusone> Have you measured the voltage or do you just assume it's fine because it's a '25A' supply>
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[1:46] <shiftplusone> *?
[1:46] <DanDare> shiftplusone, measured it with the multimeter
[1:46] <ShorTie> some might, some do, but it is still best to power from a hub
[1:46] <DanDare> ok
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[1:47] <DanDare> what if i make a jumper from USB 5V to microUSB 5v ?
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[1:47] <jaggz> razberry
[1:47] <ShorTie> yup, the truth is in it's heart beat measured between tp1-tp2 for voltage
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[1:48] <DanDare> on the scope, it show very bad voltage fluctuations on boards 5v rails by plugging the wifi dongle
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[1:50] <DanDare> it sounds a good idea to isolate completely from the board the voltage on the USB port ?
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[1:51] <DanDare> i dont know how USB works but until data lines are connected I can supply voltage to usb devices independently of any logic board. it sounds correct?
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[1:51] <DanDare> Ĩ mean, keep them grounded together but feeding 5V to usb connectors from somewhere else than the pi board
[1:51] <DanDare> it should work ?
[1:52] <glycol> it should imo
[1:53] <shiftplusone> traces and wires have a resistance. whenever you have a rush of current, there's going to be a voltage drop no matter how good your supply is, I think
[1:53] <shiftplusone> what you should do is throw a low esr cap on there
[1:53] <DanDare> shiftplusone, yeah, i think that what happens on pi model B. But then, thats just bad design
[1:53] <shiftplusone> the pi was originally designed to have a keyboard and mouse plugged in and no hotplugging
[1:54] <DanDare> its ok
[1:54] <shiftplusone> the design is fine, people just try to get more out of it than what it was designed for. The b+ is quite different though
[1:54] <DanDare> shiftplusone, but im getting issues with already connected devices as well (the wifi dongle)
[1:54] <shiftplusone> I hotplug all sorts of things with the b+ without any issues
[1:54] <DanDare> Yeah I heard about the B+. But plain B is what I got :)
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[1:55] <shiftplusone> hmm
[1:55] <jaggz> the 3.3v pins (there are 2?) you can feed the pi power there?
[1:55] <DanDare> shiftplusone, everything works nice until heavy network traffic starts happening, at this point pi freezes or boot
[1:56] <shiftplusone> yeah, I understand
[1:56] <shiftplusone> jaggz, not a good idea.
[1:56] <DanDare> shiftplusone, though im not sure what can be causing this
[1:56] <shiftplusone> jaggz, unless you remove the 3.3v regulator. They don't generally like power applied on the output.
[1:57] <jaggz> ahh
[1:57] <jaggz> I'll stick with the usb
[1:57] <shiftplusone> DanDare, the spikes in current from insufficient capacitance is my guess.
[1:57] <DanDare> shiftplusone, ok, nice.. thanks
[1:57] <DanDare> shiftplusone, theres a 47uF capacitor there, maybe attaching a bigger one
[1:57] <ShorTie> current draw is proportional to network traffic
[1:58] <ShorTie> more traffic, more current is needed
[1:58] <DanDare> ShorTie, right. Thats why im using a 25A psu atm, to test this. But same issue anyway
[1:58] <shiftplusone> DanDare, Triffid_Hunter modified his pi and says it's solid now. He threw some caps on the usb side and added wires going directly to the power input.
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[1:59] <DanDare> shiftplusone, thats my next plan. A jumper from USB port power to the microusb 5v out, directly
[1:59] <ShorTie> could be the size of the wires in the usb cable, is it marked in the cable the awg ??
[1:59] <DanDare> the damn microusb ledges are so small, it will be tense :p
[1:59] <shiftplusone> might not want to bypass the polyfuse, but it's up to you
[2:00] <DanDare> ShorTie, let me see.. its not much long anyway
[2:00] <shiftplusone> ShorTie, you and your awg >_<
[2:00] <ShorTie> yup
[2:00] <DanDare> shiftplusone, i understand...
[2:00] <DanDare> shiftplusone, maybe adding my own polyfuse
[2:01] <shiftplusone> Why isn't a powered hub an option?
[2:01] <DanDare> it dosnt say the AWG.. its some LG USB wire
[2:01] <ShorTie> you can pop the back off the usb header, snip the 5v lead, solder a wire on it and run it to the out side of the poly fuse
[2:01] <ShorTie> this the power totally by-passes the pi
[2:01] <shiftplusone> ^ not a bad idea
[2:01] <DanDare> shiftplusone, i need to keep its form factor. the mobility
[2:01] <shiftplusone> ah
[2:02] <DanDare> well, need/want
[2:02] <DanDare> :)
[2:02] <ShorTie> that doesn't affect form factor at all
[2:02] <DanDare> after all it was the main factor that made me decide to buy it
[2:02] <DanDare> I mean, it more one device i will need to attach, one more power supply
[2:02] <ShorTie> your just eliminating the .5v poly fuse drop
[2:03] <shiftplusone> .5v polyfuse drop?!
[2:03] <ShorTie> ok, .5 a bit much
[2:03] <ShorTie> but still some
[2:03] <shiftplusone> ShorTie, the form factor thing was regarding my usb hub question.
[2:04] <DanDare> ShorTie, what you mean? USB power must 4.5V and not 5V ?
[2:04] <ShorTie> no, it needs to be 5v
[2:04] <DanDare> ok
[2:04] <DanDare> well, thanks guys, must go get dinner, later
[2:06] <[Saint]> Morning...ish.
[2:07] <ShorTie> mornin
[2:08] <shiftplusone> morning? That's still a few hours away O_o
[2:09] <[Saint]> I...what?
[2:09] <[Saint]> I know what you /meant/... ;)
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[2:36] <snkdr> howdy folks
[2:37] <snkdr> anyone try powering a Pi B+ off a computer’s USB port?
[2:37] <snkdr> too little power, perhaps?
[2:37] <[Saint]> specifically prevented.
[2:37] <[Saint]> its baaaad, mmkay.
[2:37] <ShorTie> ya, way to little
[2:37] <[Saint]> Oh - I errr, might need to clarify.
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[2:38] <[Saint]> Are you meaning the microUSB, or, backpowering from a fullsize USB port?
[2:38] <[Saint]> As, the latter...no. The former, sure, if you have a fast charging port.
[2:39] <snkdr> [Saint]: Like, plugging the full-size end into my Macbook Pro, and the microUSB into the board
[2:39] <[Saint]> Nup. Mac's will only output that kind of current to iDevices.
[2:40] <[Saint]> Otherwise it'll be 500mA max, which isn't enough (well, it could be...but, isn't)
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[2:40] <snkdr> huh. I do see the power and act leds come on on the board, but I guess they’d come on even if there wasn’t enough power to boot
[2:40] <[Saint]> In theory, it should only output 100mA to anything that doiesn't emumerate (ie. the Pi), but USB ports frequently seem to disregard this.
[2:41] <glycol> or 900mA max for usb3 ports
[2:41] <snkdr> glycol: wouldn’t 900mA be enough?
[2:41] <plugwash> [Saint], AIUI devices are not supposed to draw more than 100ma before enumerating but there is no requirement for the host to enforce this
[2:43] <glycol> i guess it would be, but you can't be sure how much you'll actually get, if the board resets/doesn't respond then you'll know it isn't enough, simple
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[3:02] <dmsuperman> I just got my pi and loaded up rasplex on an SD card using dd... now the question is how can I tell if it's working? I got a bundle that came with a wifi adapter (RTL8188CUS-GR) but that obviously won't be able to connect until I specify wifi password, so I plugged in via ethernet but ping raspberrypi says no response
[3:02] <dmsuperman> What's the best way to go about finding it?
[3:03] <dmsuperman> ping only returns my router and the device I'm pinging from (not my windows laptop nor the pi)
[3:04] <glycol> does your router list dhcp clients?
[3:05] <dmsuperman> It should, but for reasons unknown the client list table has been empty for the past few months
[3:05] <dmsuperman> I just did arp -a and that lists more clients, everything except the raspberry pi
[3:05] <glycol> well then, what's your local ip?
[3:05] <dmsuperman> .117... I've tried manually pinging every IP from .100 to .120
[3:06] <glycol> oh
[3:06] <dmsuperman> I do see 4 of the 5 lights lit on the device, all except the bottom one
[3:07] <dmsuperman> so that leads me to believe it's not connecting. let me try one more thing (swapping cables for a cable+port known to work for another device)
[3:07] <[Saint]> Ohhh...suck. You /just/ got a Pi, and its the /old/ B model?
[3:07] <[Saint]> Crap timing.
[3:08] <glycol> there are some wifi adapters with a wps button on them, i guess that one doesn't?
[3:08] <dmsuperman> it's got a blue audio port [Saint] I'm told that's the newer model no?
[3:08] <[Saint]> Ohhhh...God, no. No!
[3:08] <[Saint]> WPS is bad. Ick. Never use it.
[3:08] <glycol> works for me
[3:09] <dmsuperman> if it works there's nothing wrong with using it. but no there is no WPS options with this dongle
[3:09] <dmsuperman> it's teeny tiny
[3:09] <[Saint]> If you like horrible insecurity, I guess WPS is fine...
[3:09] <dmsuperman> I'm not transferring credit card data
[3:09] <[Saint]> If you *don't* want people to break into your network in a matter of minutes...however...
[3:09] <[Saint]> WPS is a sin.
[3:09] <dmsuperman> well, irrelevant
[3:10] <dmsuperman> no wps option
[3:10] <dmsuperman> either way at least ethernet should be working no?
[3:11] <[Saint]> No idea. I have no idea of the initial state of rasplex
[3:11] <glycol> in this flat the walls are so thick in some parts of the room there's no signal, if a neighbor manages to get free wifi i guess they deserve it
[3:11] <dmsuperman> alright I will load up raspian
[3:11] <[Saint]> With the traffic that comes through this channel, it is *very* underrepresented as a distribution.
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[3:12] <ShorTie> nmap -sP 192.168.32.*, finds all my stuff
[3:12] <[Saint]> I'm tempted to blame the router here.
[3:12] <[Saint]> the empty DHCp clients list sounded ominous.
[3:12] <dmsuperman> there are 7 other working devices, the admin panel aside
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[3:12] <dmsuperman> the router is unlikely to be the issue
[3:13] <dmsuperman> I'll give that a goo ShorTie thanks
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[3:13] <[Saint]> The fact that there's seven other devices up on the network doesn't exclude the router from the point of view of the information we're given.
[3:14] <[Saint]> FOr all we know, they're all using fixed addressing.
[3:14] <dmsuperman> it doesn't exclude it but it certainly makes it less likely than the new device having issues
[3:14] <dmsuperman> they aren't. I'm not an idiot
[3:14] <[Saint]> Right..but *we* didn't know that. ;)
[3:14] <[Saint]> The addressing part...not the idiot part.
[3:14] <glycol> any spare routers?
[3:14] <dmsuperman> let me try raspian before we go down that rabbit hole
[3:14] <glycol> gotta try everything
[3:15] <dmsuperman> the default state of raspian would be to automatically dhcp connect yes?
[3:15] <glycol> yes
[3:15] <dmsuperman> via ethernet
[3:15] <dmsuperman> ok thanks
[3:15] <[Saint]> yes.
[3:15] <[Saint]> with ssh up.
[3:15] <dmsuperman> awesome
[3:15] <dmsuperman> hostname raspberrypi ?
[3:15] <glycol> yes
[3:15] <[Saint]> raspberry, isn't it?
[3:16] <ShorTie> root@raspberrypi
[3:16] <[Saint]> pi@raspberry, no? (its been a while on Raspbian for me)
[3:16] <glycol> i get "raspberrypi" in my dhcp client list
[3:16] <[Saint]> Huh. Ok. Whoops.
[3:16] <glycol> checked on in /etc/hostname just now
[3:16] <IT_Sean> if you are SSHing in, you want to do ssh pi@[IP ADDRESS]
[3:17] <IT_Sean> i.e. ssh pi@
[3:17] <ShorTie> but he don't know 192........
[3:17] <MY123> IT_Sean: Who SSHes to a router?
[3:17] <dmsuperman> I would be attempting to SSH into the pi
[3:18] <IT_Sean> Are you critizing my example?
[3:18] <[Saint]> Because we *all* know default addresses are the same, everywhere, on every network..right MY123 ;)
[3:18] <ShorTie> and routor does not have to be .1
[3:18] <[Saint]> <rolleyes>
[3:19] <shiftplusone> quick everyone, his router's IP is! Hack him!
[3:19] <dmsuperman> oof raspian is fat
[3:19] <ShorTie> and i ssh into my router at times
[3:19] <dmsuperman> same here
[3:19] <[Saint]> My router has ssh up...
[3:19] <dmsuperman> for one it's a centralized host that is up even if a given machine is down
[3:19] <[Saint]> My "router" also happens to be a "real machine", though.
[3:20] <[Saint]> So, there's that.
[3:20] <MY123> shiftplusone: A default IPaddr to 15million internet boxes in France.
[3:21] * [Saint] smirks
[3:21] <shiftplusone> no wai
[3:21] <[Saint]> Good. Now you know that address. Hack 'em.
[3:21] <dmsuperman> hey there actually ShorTie nmap returned
[3:21] <dmsuperman> let me go boot it back up
[3:21] <dmsuperman> weird that nothing else would return the host
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[3:23] <MY123> [Saint]: Hacking IPs in the local network address range is impossible. Read the RFCs.
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[3:24] <[Saint]> Oh boy..you are just too fun.
[3:24] <shiftplusone> >_<
[3:24] <[Saint]> I haven't even finished my coffee yet. And you've given me so much.
[3:25] <shiftplusone> you mean you can't ddos everyone by targeting nonsense
[3:25] <[Saint]> I just target *.*.*.* and hack EVERYONE.
[3:25] <[Saint]> Duh.
[3:26] <dmsuperman> so knowing that rasplex may not adhere to the same defaults of other distributions (fwiw I believe it's openelec-based, same as raspmbc), what do you suppose the default password is?
[3:26] <MY123> shiftplusone: DDOS yourself that way.
[3:26] <[Saint]> Even myself.
[3:26] <[Saint]> dmsuperman: https://forums.plex.tv/index.php/topic/63122-what-is-the-default-ssh-user-password/
[3:26] <MY123> [Saint]: You should target 0.0
[3:26] <MY123> .0.0
[3:26] <dmsuperman> oh lovely thanks [Saint] I couldn't find that
[3:27] * shiftplusone installs a sarcasm detector on MY123 and tops up the sense of humour.
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[3:27] <MY123> shiftplusone: thanks in reverse.
[3:28] <shiftplusone> I don't think sknaht is a word, but you're welcome. (sorry, it's late and I should go sleep rather than talk nonsense. 'night)
[3:30] <MY123> I don't understand your humour
[3:30] <[Saint]> sʞuɐɥʇ
[3:30] <dmsuperman> Nice, ssh'ed in successfully. I knew it wasn't the router ;P
[3:30] <dmsuperman> now to figure out how to configure the wifi
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[3:31] <MY123> [Saint]: Can you repeat with only using ASCII chars ?
[3:31] <dmsuperman> [Saint]: I may still be able to return it but the B+ model w/case is going to be at least $20 more. All I really want this for is an airplay reciever, are the improvements really that worthy of the hassle?
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[3:31] <dmsuperman> from what I can see it's just got more USB ports and slightly lower power requirements
[3:32] <[Saint]> Halving the power consumption isn't anything to sneeze at.
[3:32] <ShorTie> power circuit has been improved
[3:32] <[Saint]> And, the vastly increased power draw capabilities are nice too.
[3:33] <dmsuperman> how many mA per USB port on the B+?
[3:33] <[Saint]> As it is now, unless your PSU is adequate, you'll brown out just hotplugging a wifi adapter.
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[3:33] <dmsuperman> I have an 850mA supply which I believe should be plenty no?
[3:33] <[Saint]> That's /barely/ adequate.
[3:33] <ShorTie> for the pi, not pi + wifi
[3:33] <[Saint]> I have a 2.1A supply.
[3:34] <dmsuperman> I thought the pi was only 500 draw and then 100 per USB port
[3:34] <dmsuperman> what's a wifi dongle draw?
[3:34] <[Saint]> up to 500mA
[3:34] <[Saint]> DOing that math, that'll leave the pi with ~300mA.
[3:34] <[Saint]> Which, will *certainly* fall over.
[3:34] <ShorTie> for reliable wifi, it should be in a powered usb hub on a B
[3:35] <[Saint]> (but, the dongle will rarely be at full broadcast...though...hmmmm)
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[3:35] <dmsuperman> yeah that's my thought process
[3:35] <[Saint]> ShorTie: or a B+
[3:35] <dmsuperman> the pi will probably not be full draw either
[3:35] <dmsuperman> especially only playing audio
[3:35] <dmsuperman> alrighty well I can use a 1.2A wall wart from elsewhere in the house
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[3:36] <[Saint]> But, yeah, seeing as how PSUs are *so* cheap, and its the signle most common point of failure, I'd get a new one.
[3:36] <ShorTie> the B+ usb can output 1.2amps, if you got a good power supply
[3:36] <[Saint]> If you have an Apple wall-wart around, use that.
[3:36] <dmsuperman> oh smart thinking
[3:36] <[Saint]> They're 1.2~2.1A
[3:36] <dmsuperman> I think I'll just stick with the B then for now
[3:36] <dmsuperman> it's not any more CPU or memory right
[3:36] <[Saint]> Nup.
[3:37] <dmsuperman> cool beans
[3:37] <[Saint]> I don't think its possible to address any more RAM on this SoC.
[3:37] <[Saint]> Maybe up to 1GB? I'm not sure.
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[3:39] <MY123> [Saint]: Up to 1GB .
[3:39] <glycol> i heard that there is no 1GB chip in that package, but ive read that on the internet..
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[3:40] <MY123> glycol: There is a PoC Samsung one.
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[3:40] <[Saint]> Kinda irrelevant, though.
[3:40] <[Saint]> Wholly irrelevant, in fact.
[3:41] <MY123> [Saint]: Not irrelevant because it can be bought.
[3:42] <MY123> (Does use 2 dies so expensive)
[3:42] <[Saint]> And then what are you going to do with it genius?
[3:42] <[Saint]> Tape it on and hope?
[3:42] <glycol> maybe someone someday will solder a 1GB chip on a pi..
[3:42] <[Saint]> Nope.
[3:42] <[Saint]> No way.
[3:42] <[Saint]> You'd destroy the entire package even trying.
[3:42] <glycol> i guess it won't boot but who cares lol
[3:44] <MY123> [Saint]: Send a host of chip to the Pi fondation. They will care to solder it.
[3:44] <MY123> *chipd
[3:44] <MY123> *s
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[3:44] <shiftplusone> (no they won't)
[3:44] <[Saint]> I...just...what?
[3:44] <[Saint]> You really think the Raspberrypi Foundation is manufacturing these packages?
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[3:44] <[Saint]> Well done.
[3:45] <ShorTie> don't forget the dip with the chips
[3:45] <[Saint]> Hahahaha. :)
[3:45] <MY123> Wait the prices to be lower.
[3:46] <[Saint]> You're missing the entire point man. What you propose is impossible.
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[3:46] <dmsuperman> This one may not be answerable by anybody currently around but does anybody know how I can config wifi in plex via command line? The FAQ mentions using the GUI but I don't have a TV or HDMI-friendly monitor
[3:47] <[Saint]> Sometimes I get the feeling that you'rw actually a very skillful troll sent to test us.
[3:47] <MrMobius> is the address pin broken out for 1gb ram?
[3:47] <ShorTie> i like wicd-cursers for wifi
[3:47] <shiftplusone> Not impossible, if you can get your hands on the chip and if the SoC can address that much memory and if the firmware can be modified to support it and if somebody solders the package on and if the FSM intervenes, it's perfectly reasonable.
[3:47] <dmsuperman> It's OpenELEC/raspmbc based
[3:47] <[Saint]> shiftplusone: I like your style. :)
[3:48] <dmsuperman> ShorTie: I don't think I can install packages with this openELEC setup and it doesn't have a wicd-curses binary installed sadly
[3:48] <glycol> dmsuperman, ill check if i can get wifi signal back and check
[3:48] <dmsuperman> cheers glycol
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[3:50] <MY123> [Saint]: 100 percent chances to work. As BCM is laying off its employees, waiting until there is not enough manpower to fix bugs. ( or the Foundation will hire engineers themselves).
[3:51] <MY123> Currently feasible
[3:51] <[Saint]> You're a little bit dense aren't you son?
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[3:52] * ShorTie snickers
[3:54] <MY123> [Saint]: It is exactly what does happen now.
[3:54] <[Saint]> Even if it were possible to re-fabricate an existing chipset and bolt on additional RAM, and it isn't, but lets pretend it is, NO ONE IS GOING TO DO SO>
[3:54] <[Saint]> There are far too many existing packages out there that don't involve _impossible_ feats to address more memory.
[3:54] <[Saint]> ANd when the Foundation consideres a new variant, it sure as hell won't be based on this SoC.
[3:55] <[Saint]> (or, it bloody well better not be)
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[3:56] <MY123> [Saint]: There will be not newer BcM VC chips.
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[3:56] <glycol> dmsuperman: "iface usb0 inet dhcp" in /etc/network/interfaces
[3:57] <glycol> "allow-hotplug wlan0", "iface wlan0 inet manual", "wpa-roam /etc/wpa_supplicant/wpa_supplicant.conf" i have no idea what the last two mean, but they're there
[3:58] <[Saint]> If RaspberryPi is still using ARMv6 and VideoCore when it comes time for a new hardware variant, they've signed their death warrant.
[3:58] <[Saint]> We all know this.
[3:58] <[Saint]> They know this.
[3:58] <[Saint]> That's why it won't happen.
[3:58] <dmsuperman> glycol: my ifconfig only lists an lo, eth0, and wlan0, what's usb0?
[3:58] <dmsuperman> should that be "iface wlan0 inet dhcp" for me?
[4:00] <glycol> yes, but i think its wlan0 for me too, meh..i stopped touching anything after i got it working with wps
[4:00] * [Saint] cringes again on principle
[4:00] <ShorTie> wlan = wireless lan
[4:00] <dmsuperman> if it's stupid and it works, it's not stupid
[4:01] <dmsuperman> ;)
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[4:01] <glycol> android phones come up as usb0
[4:01] <dmsuperman> strange
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[4:02] <[Saint]> * only when tethering
[4:03] <glycol> yes
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[4:06] <gerforce> gordonDrogon: hi, are you there? Remember the thing we talked yesterday, can not resolve domain name with fine configuration. Now it's ok. I didnot do anything. Just shutdown pi and boot it today. Everything is ok now.
[4:07] <[Saint]> 3:07 am Time in United Kingdom
[4:10] <gerforce> [Saint]: 10 am now
[4:10] <[Saint]> For you, maybe.
[4:11] <[Saint]> Gordon is UK based, and the Internets tells me its 3am there currently.
[4:17] <gerforce> [Saint]: i am sorry. i didnot notice that. But how can i know the location about one person?
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[4:18] <[Saint]> Observation mostly. I didn't necessarily expect you to know that, I was just telling you why its highly unlikely that he'll be around at this time.
[4:19] <gerforce> :) i see.
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[4:22] <aural> Has anyone else heard of banana pi single board computer?
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[4:28] <treats_> I am trying to pull the first and last frame from h.264 files written by my raspicam, but I'm having troubles
[4:29] <treats_> has anyone done this easily?
[4:30] <treats_> vlc helps me determine last frame (by advancing frame by frame using '.')
[4:30] <treats_> mplayer is having trouble decoding it
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[5:46] <abnormal> I know a lot of ppl are active now and no talking???
[5:48] <almostworking> im shopping abnormal
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[5:49] <abnormal> I c... what u shopping for??
[5:49] <almostworking> its also pretty late into the evening, for most i suspect
[5:49] <almostworking> new LCD / LED display
[5:49] <almostworking> also laptops to repair, via the inventory list some people send me
[5:50] <almostworking> some of them are worth my time
[5:51] <abnormal> I c... so you are almost working hard? heh?
[5:51] <almostworking> yep, pretty much ....... well not today, incredibly tired today, not sure why
[5:52] <abnormal> cuz u r tired... lol
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[5:53] <Inspiral> hey guys, i've formatted my sd card with sdformatter v.4, I used win32diskimager to copy the latest raspbian .img to the sd card I cannot boot the pi (red led - nothing else) - any suggestions?
[5:53] <abnormal> best place to look for the LCD/LED displays are in newark.com
[5:55] <almostworking> eh, i know some places, local ones, abnormal , i can do prettty well here
[5:55] <almostworking> Inspiral: i dont know, it might be the actualy SD card, i had that issue before..... ive always used linux, so not sure if its the program your using or not
[5:56] <Inspiral> the program was recommended here: http://www.raspberrypi.org/documentation/installation/installing-images/windows.md
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[5:56] <Inspiral> the sd card originally came with noobs installed (bought with the pi) so I don't think that would be an issue
[5:57] <almostworking> for windows OS im sure its fine, my long winded way of saying i dont have a way of knowing since i dont use windows ( most people, esp on a weekend arent around right now)
[5:57] <Inspiral> yeh pretty unsociable time of day :)
[5:57] <abnormal> well did you format that NOOBS SD card?
[5:57] <Inspiral> yeh it should be clean as a whistle
[5:58] <abnormal> ok, what you did was wiped the recovery section...
[5:59] <Inspiral> thats ok right, i mean the idea is that a blank sd card can be setup without too much trouble
[5:59] <abnormal> do this: put the SD card in the pi and hold down the shift key while turning the pi on... and tell me if you done that pls
[6:00] <Inspiral> ok just a sec
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[6:01] <Inspiral> didnt make any difference, the red pwr led remained constant and nothing else
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[6:03] <Inspiral> i'm going to try this way using the noobs image http://www.raspberrypi.org/help/noobs-setup/
[6:04] <Inspiral> i am wondering though, how does it work just copy/pasting the files without any bootable partition on the sd ?
[6:04] <abnormal> ok, so you wiped the recovery section... oops.. go to the raspberry pi dot org and follow the instructions on how to do the process correctly, I don't remember now, cuz I had my pi's for over a year with no problems...
[6:04] <Inspiral> no worries :)
[6:05] <abnormal> no, you can't just copy them, you have to follow it exactly what they say to make it work correctly..
[6:06] <abnormal> it has to do with the way linux uses its files for booting...
[6:07] <Inspiral> ok
[6:07] <abnormal> you may try a different SD card and see if that will work.
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[6:08] <Inspiral> i am just copying those files at the moment, will try when complete
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[6:12] <abnormal> ok
[6:16] <[Saint]> Errr...what?
[6:16] <[Saint]> That simply isn't true.
[6:16] <[Saint]> At all.
[6:16] <Inspiral> looks like that didnt work either
[6:16] <[Saint]> The NOOBS install is just drag and drop. Its that simple.
[6:16] <Inspiral> not simple enough [Saint] as it will not boot :)
[6:17] <[Saint]> What filesystem is the card formatted as?
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[6:17] <Inspiral> fat32
[6:19] <abnormal> ok, Inspiral , I got my book out. follow this: go to elinux.org/RPi_Easy_SD_Card_Setup and follow those instructions.
[6:20] <Inspiral> ok
[6:20] <[Saint]> So, to summarize, you are: extracting the NOOBS image, and copying all files from the extracted directory, not the extracted directory itself, to the pi?
[6:20] <Inspiral> yeh just the files
[6:20] <[Saint]> works as expected here.
[6:20] <abnormal> can't do that..
[6:21] <[Saint]> abnormal: yes, you can.
[6:21] <[Saint]> saying you can't is plain wrong.
[6:21] <abnormal> have to use the NOOBs way to make the boot work
[6:21] <Inspiral> before that i had tried with win32diskimager using the raspian img and that didnt boot either
[6:21] <[Saint]> http://www.raspberrypi.org/help/noobs-setup/
[6:21] <[Saint]> redd the bloody documentation.
[6:21] <[Saint]> *read
[6:22] <[Saint]> extract image, copy files; done.
[6:22] <abnormal> ok that sounds correct.
[6:23] <[Saint]> when you say you can't do something, please ensure its actually ture.
[6:23] <[Saint]> *true
[6:23] <[Saint]> bah - cold hands.
[6:23] <Inspiral> one thing i notice is that when i insert the card into the pi something is causing the write protect slider to move to set the card as write protected
[6:23] <[Saint]> Inspiral: that's ok, that's ignored.
[6:23] <[Saint]> pi makes no use of this.
[6:23] <Inspiral> o
[6:24] <Inspiral> ok
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[6:26] <abnormal> the way I do it is I extract the files TO the SD card, not anywhere else.
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[6:26] <Inspiral> abnormal: the guide you just linked is exactly the process i have been using...
[6:26] <abnormal> ok go on...
[6:26] <[Saint]> abnormal: that makes no difference in reality
[6:27] <abnormal> whatever you want, saint
[6:27] <Inspiral> ive formatted the card again, this time i've formatted with the 'Format size adjustment' set to on on the sd formatter
[6:27] <Inspiral> just copying the files...
[6:27] <abnormal> ok go on...
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[6:28] <[Saint]> How can he elaborate more than that?
[6:28] <abnormal> don't know, you tell me...
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[6:32] <Inspiral> same thing again, no dice
[6:32] <abnormal> ok, how is the power supply voltage?
[6:33] <Inspiral> i had it connected to the usb port on my tv, I have since changed that to the usb port on a pc so i think it should be ok
[6:33] <[Saint]> neither should provide more than 500mA, which isn't enough in any case.
[6:34] <abnormal> hmmmm.... what do you have hooked up besides just the USB to power it?
[6:34] <Inspiral> i have a power adapter, i wasn't using that as it doesn't make a stable connection (disconnects if the cable moves) ill go try it, in the USB sockets on the pi i have a keyboard and a mouse
[6:35] <Inspiral> on the usb sockets on the pc I have nothing as I am using the keyboard and mouse from that on the pi
[6:35] <Inspiral> going to try with the wall plug brb
[6:35] <[Saint]> yeah, this is almost certainly a power issue. There's no way that should work.
[6:35] <[Saint]> assuming 50mA each for kb and mouse, that's trying to run off ~400mA, not gonna cut it.
[6:36] <Inspiral> theres no difference with the wall plug either
[6:36] <abnormal> ok, there's a mini USB connector on the Pi, that is the power input, at least 1 amp, at 5 volts and no less.
[6:37] <Inspiral> the wall plug i bought with the pi so i expect that should be ok
[6:37] <[Saint]> Lots of other people thought the same thing with their crappy bundles too.
[6:37] <Inspiral> ive also had it working before now though with the same gear
[6:37] <abnormal> ok, hmmm... did you do any prototyping on the board?
[6:38] <Inspiral> not touched it, its virgin for all intents and purposes
[6:38] <abnormal> does it say "Made in the UK"?
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[6:38] <Inspiral> yep, just near the card slot
[6:39] <abnormal> ok... then try a phone power supply that outputs 5 volts only and no more.
[6:40] <Inspiral> i dont have an adapter for that
[6:40] <abnormal> hmmm... go to adafruit.com and order one.. theirs is the best ones...
[6:40] <Inspiral> ill try another sd card...
[6:40] <Inspiral> this is a shame :)
[6:41] <abnormal> yeah, I am hoping you did not brick it...
[6:41] <abnormal> I have four Pi's and one BBB
[6:42] <Inspiral> how could I brick it ?
[6:43] <abnormal> it's really unknown... anything can happen... but to be sure, try a good power supply first.
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[6:43] <abnormal> cuz I don't know what voltage was coming out of your TV's USB port....
[6:43] <[Saint]> The only real way you can brick these things is by sending 5V up the 3.3V rail.
[6:44] <[Saint]> The pi is protected from overvolting on the input.
[6:44] <[Saint]> No need to worry there.
[6:44] <Mr_Sheesh> IDK, sending 9V up the 5V power in microUSB socket would be safe?
[6:44] * [Saint] sees abnormal is wearing his speculating hat
[6:44] <Inspiral> lol fair enough, i am copying with the other sd card now
[6:44] <abnormal> yes but he said he didn't do any prototyping, saint
[6:44] <Inspiral> maybe thats all it is
[6:45] <abnormal> ok good
[6:46] <abnormal> Mr_Sheesh, no... that would be a bad thing to do... only 5 volts, period...
[6:47] <Mr_Sheesh> Used to work for a company (80's timeframe) who were sending out their RS232 connection smart system world wide. Shipping sent a bunch to Europe, with, ofc, US 9V power dongles. Being in Europe, they have 2 pins (round) not 2 flat blades, so, they took a 19V power supply and plugged them in; Buck switcher so "OK just let that conduct" and BOOM CPU smoked, plus the switcher IC... Grumble
[6:47] <Mr_Sheesh> -.- I got to repair a bunch of those, was a brain dead job but I needed that at the time
[6:47] <Mr_Sheesh> Yeah, that's why I asked, I've seen it before any tech type probably has LOL
[6:48] <Inspiral> trying now with the other sd card, btw how long should i have to wait before I see anything change?
[6:48] <Inspiral> this doesn't appear to work either...
[6:49] <abnormal> Mr_Sheesh, if you had a voltage limit chip then you could use any voltage above 5 volts and the output is only 5 volts...
[6:49] <abnormal> ok, then it's time to invest in another power supply, Inspiral
[6:49] <Inspiral> even though it worked previously with this psu and direct via usb to usb ?
[6:50] <Mr_Sheesh> There are a number of ways to crowbar a power input safely - Fortunately micro USB doesn't commonly come around in anything other than 5V, but - color me paranoid! LOL
[6:50] <Inspiral> hmm
[6:50] <[Saint]> There's a polymeric overcurrent protection fuze that'll trip at 6V
[6:50] <abnormal> LOL, Mr_Sheesh
[6:50] <[Saint]> like I said, its fine.
[6:50] <Inspiral> i just went to pull the psu out and it flickered off and now its giving me a display...
[6:51] <abnormal> o O....
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[6:51] <Inspiral> maybe its just loose ?
[6:51] <[Saint]> Juice it up too much and all that'll happen is the ploymer'll heat up and cease conductivity.
[6:51] <[Saint]> in theory, saving the device.
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[6:51] <[Saint]> WHen it cools down again, worky-worky.
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[6:52] <Inspiral> i just tried now with the usb to usb cable and thats working as well
[6:52] <Inspiral> weird
[6:52] <Inspiral> thank you both for helping
[6:52] <Mr_Sheesh> LOL [Saint] a friend's 3d Printer RAMPS board had a polyswitch blow on him; Much Fire. Very Alarm. I got to come over and help get him going again; Good guy who just needs some help as he has MD. He also has a fire extinguisjer next to the 3d printer now LOL
[6:52] <[Saint]> Yeah, they stopped backpowering on the B+.
[6:53] <abnormal> Inspiral, make sure the mini USB is in the socket securely from now on...
[6:53] <[Saint]> On the B, you can power over full-size USB, but very few ports provide enough to actually do so.
[6:53] <Inspiral> abnormal: yeh it was in ok, just dunno what was wrong
[6:53] <Inspiral> maybe it was the other sd card
[6:53] <abnormal> ok good... take very good care of it...
[6:54] <abnormal> saint, back feeding is not good...
[6:54] <[Saint]> In general, I agree.
[6:55] <[Saint]> Its really the hosts fault, though.
[6:55] <[Saint]> The device shouldn't have to care about secondary protection necessarily.
[6:56] <abnormal> I use best USB powered ports to help support the stuff plugged in so Pi's power supply don't have to work so hard.
[6:56] <abnormal> brb
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[7:04] <abnormal> Inspiral, is it working good now??
[7:04] <Inspiral> its about 95% done installing raspian
[7:04] <Inspiral> so far so good yeh
[7:05] <abnormal> cool... when I do prototyping, I buy the PiFace daughter board, that way you won't brick the Pi...
[7:06] <Inspiral> prototyping to make some electronic stuff ?
[7:06] <Inspiral> if so, i wont be doing that anytime soon
[7:06] <abnormal> I also use a Arduino Uno, rev. 3 and plug it in a powered USB hub.
[7:06] <abnormal> yes
[7:07] <abnormal> also I have a Parallax Quick Start board that plugs in the USB hub...
[7:08] <abnormal> It's to help me learn how to program stuff to make these boards do things.. like blinking LEDs...
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[7:09] <Inspiral> that's something I would like to get into, but tbh I cannot justify the time it will take when I have other things that take precedence over the limited time I have available
[7:10] <Inspiral> a personal time stopping device would be ideal if you can throw one of those together ;)
[7:10] <abnormal> Both of these boards have websites so you can down load the apps to send the instructions to the board eEEproms to make them work....
[7:11] <abnormal> but a suggestion: don't try to use the Pi's I/O pins alone, you make one mistake, the Pi is fried...
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[7:12] <[Saint]> You really like ellipsis don't you?
[7:12] <[Saint]> I feel like I'm constantly waiting for you to finish a sentence.
[7:12] <abnormal> what do you mean? I don't understand what you are referring to..
[7:13] <[Saint]> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ellipsis
[7:13] <Inspiral> lol
[7:13] <abnormal> lol... my english is very limited... so I am basically illiterate...
[7:14] <abnormal> I am not a perfect being... I am abnormal and I will not do what society want me to do...
[7:14] <[Saint]> The ellipsis is used to inform the reader that the text has trailed off without stopping.
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[7:15] <[Saint]> I would finish this sentence but...
[7:15] <abnormal> yes, get used to it...
[7:16] <[Saint]> I should say, without being completed, rather.
[7:16] <abnormal> so is the Pi working? Inspiral
[7:16] <abnormal> ok, saint.
[7:17] <Inspiral> the pi appears to be working
[7:17] <abnormal> yayyyyy...
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[7:17] <Inspiral> iam relocating it from the tv to a more semi permanent home where I can ssh in
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[7:19] <abnormal> my Pi is on the back of a Dell Genesis monitor in an Adafruit clear acrylic case velcroed on.
[7:19] <abnormal> I do most of my chatting on this Pi.
[7:20] <Inspiral> nice
[7:20] <Inspiral> i couldnt use a pi for general use
[7:20] <abnormal> yes, I have seven channels open.
[7:20] <Inspiral> irssi?
[7:20] <abnormal> you can.
[7:21] <abnormal> irssi? what is that?
[7:21] <Inspiral> a cli irc client
[7:21] <Inspiral> people use it with screen and then brag to increase their epeen
[7:21] <abnormal> yes, IRC clients.
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[7:22] <abnormal> I use linuxmint channels and that is on SpotChat IRC, and OFTC IRC to chat with a guy in Alaska, and freenode IRC with you.
[7:23] <Inspiral> i like linuxmint
[7:23] <abnormal> yes.... I have Mint Mate on 3 laptops
[7:23] <Inspiral> i installed kde and removed mate
[7:24] <abnormal> and Ubuntu on an old Dell Laptop
[7:24] <abnormal> can you beleive I got Mate 17 on an Asus netbook to work?
[7:25] <Inspiral> sure, they run w7 by default so i cannot see why not
[7:25] <abnormal> it only has one gb of mem!!!
[7:25] <Inspiral> yep
[7:25] <Inspiral> or 2gb
[7:26] <abnormal> but my old Dell has 512 mb...
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[7:26] <abnormal> like this Pi....
[7:26] <Inspiral> whats the pi's default login raspberry/pi ?
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[7:27] <abnormal> pi, pw is raspberry
[7:27] <Inspiral> ah i was using the other way around
[7:27] <abnormal> yep
[7:27] <Inspiral> ok it's setup, relocated and now im ssh'd in
[7:27] <Inspiral> awesome stuff!
[7:27] <abnormal> yepppooo
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[7:28] <Inspiral> now im stuck for something to do with it :)
[7:28] <abnormal> the Pi is what got me into Linux, period....
[7:29] <Inspiral> ah, i was using it on and off since 2002ish
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[7:29] <abnormal> lol, I was in college and a guy was in Linux, Red Hat, and I had no clue what it was back then...
[7:30] <abnormal> that was back in like, 90.
[7:30] <Inspiral> i think once you have your desktop environment setup to your liking there is nothing else that can compare
[7:31] <Inspiral> as well as your sources...
[7:31] <abnormal> well, if you explore enuf, you cud do a heck of a lot more than you cud imagine....
[7:32] <[Saint]> Oh God, its contagious.
[7:32] <[Saint]> I mean, contagious...
[7:32] <abnormal> sure is...
[7:32] <Inspiral> the ellipses were warranted, they were just suffixed instead of prefixed!
[7:32] <[Saint]> :)
[7:32] <abnormal> worse than Ebola.
[7:32] <Inspiral> haha
[7:32] <Inspiral> ebola coming soon if i believe the msm
[7:33] <abnormal> yeh, it's deadly.
[7:33] <abnormal> no vacine for that.
[7:34] <Inspiral> nah, but tbh its 'yet another' scare story
[7:34] <Inspiral> it's as if the agenda was to make us all hide in our houses
[7:34] <abnormal> and it kills lot faster than HIV
[7:34] <abnormal> sure does.
[7:34] <[Saint]> Its not hard to kill faster than HIV, HIV kills its host *fantasically* slowly.
[7:35] <[Saint]> Host usually dies of secondary issues before the disease has a major chance to do so.
[7:35] <abnormal> mmmm hmmm
[7:35] <Inspiral> this pi says I have 99mb swap space available, shouldn't that be way higher ?
[7:36] <abnormal> how big is SD card?
[7:36] <Inspiral> 16gb
[7:36] <abnormal> whoa.... hmmm....
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[7:37] <abnormal> did the format do the whole thing or just 4 gb of it?
[7:37] <Inspiral> i used the noobs method
[7:37] <Inspiral> which apparently uses the whole card anyway
[7:37] <abnormal> hmmm... what do you think? saint?
[7:37] <Inspiral> Filesystem Size Used Avail Use% Mounted on rootfs 13G 2.1G 11G 18% /
[7:38] <Inspiral> i guess the remaining must be the noobs recovery bit
[7:38] <[Saint]> That's normal, its dphys-swap, file based.
[7:38] <abnormal> good.
[7:38] <Inspiral> so no need to increase it ?
[7:38] <[Saint]> No.
[7:38] <[Saint]> It'll try very hard to never have to use it.
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[7:39] <Inspiral> apparently rackspace cloud servers no longer use swap
[7:39] <[Saint]> RAM is pretty cheap now.
[7:39] <Inspiral> i had one running and the oomkiller was killing mysql because of it
[7:40] <Inspiral> added a swap file and the issue was gone
[7:40] <abnormal> now, if you plan to save documents, etc, on the Pi, I suggest you plug a USB dongle in it's USB powered hub.
[7:40] <Inspiral> im not sure what to do with it
[7:41] <abnormal> look at it.
[7:41] <Inspiral> :)
[7:42] <abnormal> the Pi's are my toys.... I love them to pieces....
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[7:42] <Inspiral> how many do you have ?
[7:42] <abnormal> 4
[7:43] <abnormal> and a beaglebone black
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[7:43] <abnormal> but I am not too hip about the beaglebone black.
[7:44] <Inspiral> that kind of stuff is not my territory,
[7:44] <abnormal> I wud like to get the new Pi, model B+
[7:44] <abnormal> I have one model A, three model B.
[7:45] <Inspiral> have you linked any together ?
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[7:45] <abnormal> no.
[7:45] <abnormal> I am not that savy.
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[7:45] <Inspiral> i think that's something I would consider if I was getting another pi
[7:47] <abnormal> the Pi that has the daughter board on it, the PiFace, are in a Candemfoss case. one nice case, too bad they don't make them anymore.
[7:47] <abnormal> If you do, you get the Pi rack.
[7:49] <abnormal> brb....
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[7:54] * abnormal back
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[7:55] <abnormal> so how are you doing on ur Pi?
[7:57] <Inspiral> just setup a static ip and rebooted
[7:57] <Inspiral> not done anythign other than apt-get upgrade
[7:58] <Inspiral> i suppose its going to end up as a lamp stack running some crap i'll write when i get around to it
[7:59] <abnormal> well, get a kybd and mouse and hook it to a cheap monitor and you'd have a miracle...
[8:00] <Inspiral> when i used a DE with it i couldn't really play back video properly
[8:00] <Inspiral> heavy pages were quite slow too
[8:00] <Inspiral> and too much javascript on a page was like a no go
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[8:00] <Inspiral> as well as marquee tags being absolute naff
[8:00] <[Saint]> Yes. Its pretty much useless for non-GPU-assisted heavy workload.
[8:01] <[Saint]> Its not designed for this, after all.
[8:01] <Inspiral> aye
[8:01] <Inspiral> ill keep it without X i think is the best way
[8:01] * [Saint] nods
[8:01] <[Saint]> I do the same myself.
[8:02] <Inspiral> they would make neat thin clients i expect though
[8:02] <[Saint]> No need for a screen when other devices on the network have perfectly good screens themselves.
[8:02] <[Saint]> Inspiral: throughput is less than stellar
[8:03] <[Saint]> Hammer IO, network suffers. Hammer network, IO suffers. The joys of both sharinf the same bus.
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[8:03] <[Saint]> *sharing
[8:03] <Inspiral> oh i see
[8:03] <[Saint]> Gah. Cold hands.
[8:03] <Inspiral> i didnt realise they shared
[8:04] <Inspiral> well, it's no big deal
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[8:05] <[Saint]> Its a fantastic project if you have an open mind and low expectations.
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[8:05] <[Saint]> The people that feel ripped off seemed to think they were getting a fully functional workwstation for $35
[8:05] <Inspiral> my expectations were much higher when i bought one, when i tried it i was brought back down to earth a little
[8:06] <Inspiral> its absolutely fine though as long as you do have the mindset of it being a real low powered machine
[8:06] <Inspiral> its like a domestic appliance vs an industrial one
[8:06] <[Saint]> A lot of people got pissy about Flash.
[8:06] <Inspiral> everyone on linux was pissy about flash at one point haha
[8:07] <[Saint]> Heh. :)
[8:07] <abnormal> now wait a minute... you can do on the pi just as much as you cud on a desktop... just takes a little more effort!
[8:07] <[Saint]> Its possible to get flash /kinda/ sorta, maybe-ish working...
[8:07] <abnormal> yes you can
[8:07] <[Saint]> abnormal: you and I both know that simply isn't ture.
[8:07] <[Saint]> *true
[8:08] <[Saint]> My desktop has the computational power of several dozen raspberrypis.
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[8:08] <[Saint]> And many, many, many orders of magnitude more computational power in the GPUs.
[8:08] <abnormal> oh, common... it needs to justified that if the linux community can create an app to make the pi do vids, then it will happen...
[8:09] <abnormal> so?
[8:09] <[Saint]> So, try pushing 4K video at 60fps to two monitors with a pi.
[8:09] <Inspiral> my dads pi is running raspbmc and that works like a charm tbh
[8:09] <[Saint]> See how far that gets you..
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[8:10] <Inspiral> occasional lag on the menus but thats the worst of it
[8:10] <[Saint]> Its absolutely asinine to assert that the pi and a desktop are in any way comparable.
[8:10] <abnormal> cool, Inspiral
[8:11] <abnormal> depends on each individual, saint....
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[8:11] <[Saint]> You apparently don't use your desktop for very much at all.
[8:12] <[Saint]> A pi couldn't keep up with my workload.
[8:12] <[Saint]> Its not even /possible/ to do a lot of my workload on a pi.
[8:12] <Inspiral> i think if you tried to create a high resolution image on the pi you would be running into memory problems in no time at all
[8:12] <abnormal> not any more than I have to... I do use it to program the dev boards and run them...
[8:13] <abnormal> not really, Inspiral
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[8:13] <[Saint]> Right. This is a fantastic example of how your usage doesn't directly translate to that of others.
[8:14] <Inspiral> abnormal: sure you would, you need masses of ram to create an Nth amount of pixels
[8:14] <[Saint]> My regular work day, if translated to a pi, would have me standing waiting for coffee to brew while it compiled for hours on end.
[8:14] <[Saint]> It takes about 2 hours to compile a project I work with on the pi.
[8:14] <abnormal> well have fun guys, nite.... lol, saint
[8:14] <[Saint]> It takes about 22 seconds to compile on my desktop.
[8:14] <Inspiral> good night, thanks for helping
[8:14] <abnormal> yw
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[8:15] <[Saint]> Matter of fact...maybe I should transfer my workstation to a pi.
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[8:15] <[Saint]> Then I can just point at the clock and shrug and say "compiling"
[8:15] <Inspiral> :D
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[8:44] <therion23> haha, i wake up, turn the monitor on, and the first i read is "waiting for coffee"
[8:45] <Inspiral> its a sign
[8:45] <Inspiral> hope your kettle is on :)
[8:45] <therion23> you bet it is
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[8:51] * [Saint] waggles an empty cup around hopefully
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[8:53] <[Saint]> Put it in a thermos and courier it to me.
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[8:54] <Inspiral> you don't have a caffeine drip?
[8:54] <therion23> like an IV drip?
[8:54] <Inspiral> just like
[8:54] <therion23> sometimes i wish i did
[8:54] <Inspiral> they should come with pc's
[8:54] <Inspiral> as an accessory
[8:54] <Inspiral> with a usb port
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[8:55] <therion23> they should have had them at internet cafes back when those were hip
[8:55] <Inspiral> i used to go to an internet cafe when i had dialup
[8:58] * [Saint] used to go to Internet Cafes and steal CD keys
[8:58] <[Saint]> I was a troubled youth, and, games were like...expensive, man.
[8:59] <therion23> some of my good friends started the first internet cafe here in town
[8:59] <therion23> i used to go there for the free coffee :)
[8:59] <Inspiral> lol the one near me used to do an iced mocha, those were awesome
[9:00] <[Saint]> I also seem to recall getting a persistent root shell at one Internet Cafe here.
[9:00] <[Saint]> Fun times.
[9:00] <Inspiral> lol i used to have to install netscape to bypass their filter
[9:01] * [Saint] directed a lot of teenage angst at keyboards and the faceless, nameless humans on the other ends of them back in the day
[9:01] <MY123> [Saint]: Stealing CD keys ? O_o
[9:01] <Inspiral> ah i think we all did that as kids on the internet
[9:02] <MY123> Doesn't play games.
[9:02] * [Saint] just realized he showed his age by the mere mention of "CD Key"
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[9:03] <Inspiral> i got away with returning games after imaging them, that didnt last long though
[9:03] <[Saint]> Yes...yes, they really, really did used to auth this way.
[9:03] <[Saint]> Funny to think of that now. Heh.
[9:04] <MY123> [Saint]: Hate games but software now has 'activation' like WGA.
[9:04] * [Saint] hasn't paid for software in years
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[9:05] <[Saint]> Not because I'm a pirate. Because the idea is absurd.
[9:05] <Inspiral> i don't think its absurd
[9:05] <Inspiral> but the pricing format really is
[9:05] <Inspiral> there should be another way to price something you can infinitely copy
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[9:06] <[Saint]> This is a FOSS house, dadgumbit!
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[9:06] <Inspiral> i support foss, but thats because there is no better alternative
[9:07] * [Saint] thinks NZ has it right by invalidating software patents
[9:07] <MY123> [Saint]: Also me ( Microdollar but it is mandatory to use Windows in my work PC). In France pirating software make you liable for paying 5 times its price.
[9:08] <[Saint]> At one point I had so many Windows 7/8 keys I literally couldn't give them away
[9:08] <[Saint]> I've probably still got several left
[9:08] <Inspiral> ive never had a w7 key
[9:09] <Inspiral> always used an activator
[9:09] <Inspiral> 7loader by daz, i swear by it
[9:09] <[Saint]> I went to a conference and got given 100+ keys.
[9:09] <Inspiral> lol
[9:10] <MY123> Inspiral: Talking about pirate software is banned on Freenode.
[9:10] <Inspiral> is it? :s
[9:10] <Inspiral> are there any ircops in here ?
[9:11] <[Saint]> Heh. No. Probably fluffing up their neckbeards on 33freenode
[9:11] <[Saint]> *##
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[9:11] <Inspiral> lol
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[9:12] <[Saint]> Even if there were, it wouldn't be anything more than a polite "could you like, not?" type response.
[9:12] <[Saint]> *repeat* offenders, however...
[9:12] <therion23> wow, i use a whole three pieces of commercial software .. one was a freebie, the other two i bought cos there were no better free alternatives
[9:12] <Inspiral> i'd need a k-line to get the message through
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[9:13] <MY123> therion23: On which OS ?
[9:14] <therion23> Windows
[9:16] <MY123> therion23: So 4 pieces of propretary software. Do you like Palladium?
[9:17] <therion23> MY123, i blankly admit i have no idea what it is
[9:17] <[Saint]> therion23: which are those three pieces, disincluding Windows itself, may I ask?
[9:18] <therion23> Windows itself was actually the freebie, transferred license from a laptop that died
[9:18] <[Saint]> Also - Palladium, atomic number 46...duh, don't you guys even period table, bro?
[9:18] <therion23> then i bought (well, buy, they need renewal) for UltraEdit Studio and Basic 4 Android
[9:19] <MY123> [Saint]: Talking about the Palladium harfware DRM .
[9:19] <MY123> *hardware
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[9:19] <MY123> Delivered in Windows Vista. The worst OS ever.
[9:20] <[Saint]> Ohhhhh man UEStudio looks *terrible*.
[9:21] <[Saint]> I have a hard time believe people paid for this.
[9:21] <[Saint]> *believing
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[9:21] <[Saint]> B4A is somewhat comical too. But has a niche market.
[9:21] <therion23> B4A is basically Visual Basic for Android .. and since i am a returning customer i get it at half price, which includes 24hr support
[9:23] <therion23> it is really good for quick and dirty jobs if you don't wanna learn java
[9:23] <[Saint]> $119USD Holy flaming crapballs.
[9:24] <[Saint]> You got served.
[9:24] * [Saint] thinks if you don't want to learn Java that Android isn't the OS you should be developing for ;)
[9:24] <[Saint]> ...just sayin'.
[9:24] <therion23> bah humbug, ever heard of the NDK?
[9:25] <[Saint]> I use it extensively.
[9:25] <therion23> b4a uses it, so it is faster than the SDK
[9:25] <MY123> therion23 : You should use Tizen.
[9:26] <[Saint]> ...excuse me...
[9:26] <[Saint]> Bahahahahahahahaha
[9:26] <[Saint]> ...
[9:26] <[Saint]> Hahahahahahahaha
[9:26] <[Saint]> ...
[9:26] <[Saint]> heh
[9:26] <[Saint]> Tizen.
[9:27] <MY123> [Saint]: Currently using a Tizen phone. ( well, upgraded to Tizen)
[9:28] <[Saint]> therion23: NDK vs. SDK doesn't necessarily stack up in every example, and the developer notes state this.
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[9:28] <[Saint]> Its highly possible to have native code that is outperformed by Java in quite a few cases.
[9:28] <[Saint]> And, noted, in turn, vice versa.
[9:29] <[Saint]> But its not a magic bullet.
[9:29] <MY123> [Saint]: And ART will permit both to have the same speed.
[9:30] <[Saint]> Yes, and while that is all very well and good, the version of Android that uses ART by default isn't even *released* yet.
[9:30] <[Saint]> So, for now, developers are forced to consider Dalvik.
[9:30] <[Saint]> And, will have to for years to come.
[9:31] <[Saint]> Adoption rate of current Android versions is pitiful.
[9:32] <MY123> [Saint]: Android L is using ART by default (still a preview).
[9:33] <[Saint]> I'm not even sure why you had to say that.
[9:33] <[Saint]> As I said "not even *released*".
[9:33] <[Saint]> That doesn't change.
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[9:34] <[Saint]> And, even if L was released *right now*, it doesn't change the fact that 80% of Android users aren't even running KitKat yet.
[9:34] <[Saint]> Tha majority share, by far, of active devices, goes to ICS.
[9:34] <[Saint]> *the
[9:35] <[Saint]> errr, Jellybean, rather.
[9:35] <[Saint]> Though I could pick any version there and it wouldn;t matter, because it'll take at least 12 months for L to get any noticeable traction in the developer space.
[9:36] <MY123> [Saint]: There is still new phones sold with Gingerbread.
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[9:36] <[Saint]> You're just making my point for me.
[9:37] <[Saint]> ART is great. Yes. Wow. Its lovely. And great things will happen. But, it doesn't matter *right now*.
[9:37] <[Saint]> It'll be a long time before that actually matters.
[9:38] <MY123> [Saint]: I think that I will design a Dalvik CPU if it's worth the hassle.
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[9:41] * [Saint] goes back to watching the original version of Old Boy
[9:41] <[Saint]> (not that terrible English remake...*sigh*)
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[9:48] <jaggz|2> what are the chip and the resistors on this board? http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/61OeQRy5c9L._SL1500_.jpg
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[9:49] <therion23> the remake of Oldboy is a travesty anyway
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[10:17] <nowz> Hi I've got a raspberry pi, when I plug the HDMI to my Samsung TV it works ... but when i plug it on my Illyama screen computer it says "no signal" someone know why?
[10:18] <MY123> nowz: With a HDMI VGA cable ?
[10:18] <nowz> no with a HDMI - HDMI cable
[10:18] * MY123 is now known as NothingIsBetterT
[10:19] * NothingIsBetterT is now known as FreeblobProj
[10:19] <FreeblobProj> nowz: Do you use NOObs ?
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[10:20] <nowz> no I mounted a img of Raspbian
[10:21] <FreeblobProj> nowz: Connect it to a PC and open config.txt .
[10:21] <nowz> yes and then?
[10:22] <FreeblobProj> nowz: Add hdmi_force_hotplug=1 and hdmi_boost=4
[10:23] <nowz> ok, thank you gonna try it
[10:24] <nowz> config_hdmi_boost=4
[10:24] <nowz> Thank you FreeblobProj it works perfectly now!
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[10:30] <ChaseTrains> lol, I bought a micro-sd card for my raspberry pi, but I can't flash it :D. What do you need? Some microSD usb thingie?
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[10:35] <lauri108_> Hello, I seem to be having problems with my Pi's USB. I'm running Raspbian, and since yesterday I have not been able to recognise any devices I plug into the USB ports. Yesterday everything worked fine, but today (even though I haven't installed any new packages)..
[10:35] <lauri108_> the lsusb command is not recognising my devices anymore
[10:36] <lauri108_> anyone had problems with USB? Is there a way to reset the ports somehow?
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[10:52] <Exposure> moved sd card from b to b+ but when boot finishes usb and lan seem to be broken, while during boot they appear to work (leds flashing)
[10:52] <Exposure> any ideas? Already disabled gpio exports
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[10:55] <gordonDrogon> Exposure, you need to do an upgrade on the kernel & bootloader - put card back in B, run apt-get update/upgrade then try it in ot B+
[10:56] <Aqua`> The b+ just has more ports right?
[10:56] <Aqua`> And not upgraded cpu or gpu or ram etc?
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[10:57] <Kriminel> http://www.raspberrypi.org/product/model-b-plus/
[10:57] <Kriminel> Aqua`: yea
[10:57] <Aqua`> Hood
[10:57] <Aqua`> Good*
[10:57] <Exposure> gordonDrogon: did that already
[10:57] <Aqua`> Else I'd feel bad for getting a model b without knowing there I'd a b+
[10:57] <Kriminel> to be honest idk whats the 4 usb's for, i would have gone with even more gpios if it was up to me
[10:58] <Kriminel> hi gordonDrogon
[10:58] <Kriminel> got the new mcp23s17 boards, work like a charm now :-)
[10:58] <Exposure> I get disabling irq #32 message during boot now, don't think I saw that before
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[11:02] <Lope> I just downloaded http://downloads.raspberrypi.org/raspbian_latest.torrent
[11:03] <Lope> Extracted the img out of the zip, and ran a sha1sum on it. and it's different to the sha1sum listed on the site... what gives?
[11:03] <Lope> (completely different)
[11:03] <toomin> I think you need to sha the zip file
[11:04] <Lope> oh, will try that :)
[11:04] <FreeblobProj> /nick MY123
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[11:05] <Lope> Yeah, it's good ;) thanks!
[11:07] <gordonDrogon> Exposure, the issue is that the B+ needs "more magic" to make the usb & ethernet work at boot time - that magic isn't needed on the B. So the symptoms of no usb & ethernet fit the issue...
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[11:08] <gordonDrogon> Exposure, another issue I've seen is that the LAN has a stupid udev rule - might only be in older images though - see in there is a /etc/udev/rules.d/70-persistant-net.rul (or something similar) that ends up making eth0 into eth1 - try /sbin/ifconfig -a to check.
[11:08] <Kriminel> gordonDrogon: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R79Ckr5n-Gw
[11:09] <Exposure> gordonDrogon: weird thing is, it works during boot but by the time boot finishes it doesn't work anymore
[11:09] <MY123> gordonDrogon: Not magic but setting GPClK0 to 20MHz makes LaN working on older images.
[11:09] <Exposure> I'll check the udev rules though
[11:09] <Kriminel> gordonDrogon: the next challenge is to make a few DHT11s to work right using the MCP23S17 spi boards so far little luck
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[11:13] <Lope> I plugged in an SD card earlier, and it took about 2 minutes to become available and for my DE (mate (gnome2)) to auto-mount it. fdisk -l showed it as /dev/mmcblk0. unfortunately the card was write protected. so I unmounted it, removed it, unlicked the WP switch, and reinserted it. It's been about a minute already. Just wondering why it takes so long and if I can kick start the process for it to be recognized.?
[11:15] <gordonDrogon> Kriminel, you'll fail completely. just not fast enough to control them via SPI.
[11:15] <Kriminel> thats what i was affraid off, i only get part of the transmission from it
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[11:19] <Exposure> ah think I found it, were also some gpio exports in /etc/rc.local. Would fit in exactly with breaking stuff just as boot finishes :)
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[11:22] <Exposure> yep works fine now
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[11:28] <Lope> I used a USB card reader and it worked with ease.
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[12:49] <Nefarious_> I'm SSHed into my pi, try to build dogecoind, and I can't SSH in from a different machine (no route to host), but my current ssh window hasn't closed for such a reason. It's still open, but I can't type/run anything. Should I just pull the plug?
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[12:52] * Nefarious_ will do it anyway
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[12:57] <Nefarious_> I think it's very low on RAM
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[13:03] <Nefarious_> 15MB free >.<
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[13:07] <ShorTie> got a swap file runnin ??
[13:07] <ShorTie> i know i had to enable 1 to get ffmpeg (i think) to compile on arch
[13:08] <ShorTie> it only needed a little for a split second
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[13:13] <Nefarious_> I'll get a USB stick now
[13:13] <glycol> if you can't type anything you probably lost connection
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[13:13] <Nefarious_> I'm pretty sure it crashed
[13:14] <Nefarious_> The second time, it took ~10 seconds for every key press to register
[13:14] <Nefarious_> low RAM
[13:17] <ShorTie> and a usb stick is gonna fix low ram how ??
[13:19] <MY123> Nefarious_: What did you do ?
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[13:37] <Nefarious_> I think I pinged out :3
[13:37] <Nefarious_> I'm using the USB for swap space
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[13:55] <almostworking> reminds me, i need a new USB key
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[14:15] <Lope> what is a safe overclock for the RbPi? (I still want ethernet and USB etc to work perfectly)
[14:16] <Lope> and I don't want any hassles with writing to the SD card, etc.
[14:19] <MY123> Lope: Turbo mode.
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[14:25] <Lope> MY123: but I've heard about people having problems with writing to the SD card and issues with USB devices?
[14:25] <Lope> (when overclocking)
[14:26] <MY123> Lope: Running six months in Turbo without problem.
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[14:27] <ShorTie> you need a gooood power supply to over clock reliably
[14:28] <Lope> Does it require much more power?
[14:28] <Lope> I've got a blackberry 5v 700mA microUSB adapter.
[14:29] <Lope> I've also got another PSU I can try that's 4.9v 700mA.
[14:29] <Lope> At the moment, just for setup/testing I'm running it off a 5v 2000mA microUSB psu.
[14:29] <ShorTie> not really, but you should check your heart beat at tp1-tp2 with a volt meter
[14:30] <MY123> ShorTie: Just plugging the Pi to the Internet box SD card.
[14:30] <MY123> *USB port.
[14:30] <ShorTie> 700ma is a little low
[14:30] <almostworking> most usb ports are 500ma yea?
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[14:30] <glycol> almostworking: best case scenario
[14:31] <MY123> almostworking: Mine is 900 mA.
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[14:31] <almostworking> ah ok ....... i power a pi, with my desktop USB port glycol ...... ive also used the TVs USB port.
[14:31] <Lope> should I update my RbPi firmware?
[14:31] <Lope> it's a model B, about 7 months old
[14:32] <Lope> I've just installed the latest raspbian image
[14:32] <almostworking> ive never updated mine........ ( firmware) im not running raspbian thou
[14:32] <Lope> ShorTie: what is the heartbeat?
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[14:37] <Lope> when you OC the rbPi with rasbpi-config utility does it OC itself dynamically when needed, or will it just run at 1000mhz constantly?
[14:38] <ShorTie> voltage
[14:38] <Lope> So only the voltage fluctuates? but the cpu freq will be fixed at 1000mhz at boot?
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[14:39] <Lope> I haven't really used the RbPi for it's intended purpose yet. just been installing programs and updates. and the CPU just maxes out for so long installing a few little packages.
[14:39] <ShorTie> if your voltage is questionable at tp1-tp2, over clocking will just amplify the problem and cause instability issues
[14:39] <Lope> just having to wait for the installations is a bit slow. That's what makes me consider an OC. What do you guys think about RbPi OCing?
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[14:40] <Lope> ShorTie: I don't think I've got any voltage problems.
[14:40] <ShorTie> �k�� ��K��
[14:42] <Lope> this is what I intend to use the RbPi for: IRC, downloading youtube videos with a firefox plugin (not watch them on the RbPi) and download torrents. Should I OC?
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[14:44] <ShorTie> personally, don't see how it will help much, if it all, but that is up to you
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[15:27] <shaffl> hi, is raspbian designed to automatically detect and connect to eth0 when available?
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[15:39] <Lope> I've got tightvncserver starting up in an init.d script. but the problem is that the script runs before the LXDE session has started. How can I make the script run after LXDE?
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[15:46] <tolland> im getting "sh can't access tty job control turned off", after a reboot, its persistently like that. It wasn't shut down cleanly
[15:46] <tolland> is that likely to need a reinstall?
[15:48] <tolland> hmm its missing /boot
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[15:53] <pycoderf> why would my pi with raspbian randomly stop being able to resolve hostnames when the dns servers are set correctly?
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[15:55] <almostworking> Lope: if u need fast pi, just buy the " hummingboard" ??
[15:55] <almostworking> then no OC needed
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[15:56] <almostworking> here, Lope : http://www.solid-run.com/products/hummingboard/linux-sbc-specifications/
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[15:56] <almostworking> not sure if they are done with production yet or not, to find one to buy , ive not checked, but very nice imo
[15:58] <pycoderf> is something broken on my pi install if it randomly 404 of http://archive.raspberrypi.org/debian/dists/wheezy/main/binary-armhf/Packages
[15:58] <tolland> 404 means you talked to the remote server
[15:59] <pycoderf> so why do i get random 404 on the standard sources.list
[15:59] <tolland> so unless you have some proxithing its more likely load or other random issues on the remote side
[16:00] <pycoderf> also in my sources.list i just use mirrordirector.raspbian.com so no idea why its trying that site
[16:00] <pycoderf> i can also open the link in a browser just fine
[16:00] <tolland> link to mirros or to the repo?
[16:01] <pycoderf> deb http://mirrordirector.raspbian.org/raspbian/ testing main contrib non-free rpi
[16:01] <pycoderf> that is my sources.list
[16:02] <pycoderf> i can ping both mirrordirector and archive no problem
[16:03] <tolland> where do you get 404 from?
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[16:03] <pycoderf> apt-get
[16:03] <pycoderf> i just did apt-get clean and it seemed to have worked this time
[16:03] <pycoderf> but i am confused why it randomly happens. this is the third time
[16:03] <tolland> can you pastebin the output? (http://pastebin.com/)
[16:04] <pycoderf> when this operation finishes
[16:04] <tolland> ah, yeah.. its likely load on the particular mirror or when the packages are updating, the list is out of sync
[16:05] <tolland> sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get install whatever
[16:05] <pycoderf> i usually run the clean after any installs though
[16:05] <tolland> hmm.
[16:05] <pycoderf> come to think of it, i believe it may always be a sunday issue
[16:06] <pycoderf> also i use the testing repos so unsure why its looking at wheezy anyway
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[16:28] <roe1and> Hi guys. I'm having some issues with rsync. It want it to run without asking for a password but I cannot get it working. I've appended my id_rsa.pub on the local pi to the authorized_keys on the remote machine and can ssh into the remote directly(no passphrase) but rsync insists on asking me for a password
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[16:32] <glycol> are you using raspbian?
[16:34] <glycol> roe1and
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[16:34] <roe1and> raspbian local
[16:35] <roe1and> raspbmc remote
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[16:39] <dragonlance> anyone here know why an opengl app in repository will not work in raspbian
[16:39] <glycol> roe1and: http://askubuntu.com/a/368230 btw if it would have been the other way round it would work, raspbian doesn't ask for password on sudo by default
[16:41] <dragonlance> attempt reguest anyone here know why an opengl app in repository will not work in raspbian
[16:42] <roe1and> Thanks for that. I'll fiddle some more
[16:42] <shiftplusone> dragonlance, because opengl and opengl es are not the same thing
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[16:43] <dragonlance> confused trying to get stellarium to work in raspbian
[16:44] <dragonlance> why is it in repository if it doesnt work
[16:44] <dragonlance> same as oolite a elite game clone
[16:45] <pycoderf> are there any xmpp severs in the raspbian repos?
[16:45] <shiftplusone> working isn't a prerequisite for being in the repo, dragonlance
[16:45] <dragonlance> how do ig get these to work on raspberry pi then and why are they there
[16:45] <shiftplusone> dragonlance, raspbian tracks debian armhf. If it's in there and it compiles for the pi... it's going in the repo.
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[16:46] <shiftplusone> whether it works or not is another matter. Some people may wish to play with glshim, for example, so those packages are useful to them.
[16:46] <dragonlance> so i have to be a linux programmer to try and get them to work
[16:47] <glycol> dragonlance: there are 36k+ packages, i think they just rebuilt the packages for armv6 with hf and that's it
[16:47] <shiftplusone> well, any sort of programmer familiar with opengl, really.
[16:47] <dragonlance> so apps in repo might never work at all then
[16:47] <shiftplusone> yup, unless somebody steps up
[16:48] <shiftplusone> the world of OSS is like that.
[16:48] <dragonlance> chhers mate i thought it was a library of useable programs to use
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[16:49] <shiftplusone> it's a repo of debian armhf packages compiled for armv6... usable or not.
[16:49] <shiftplusone> (which I think is a little silly, but that's the way it is)
[16:49] <dragonlance> yep understand now shame though woul have liked these two programs to have worked without haveing to reprogram
[16:50] <shiftplusone> can't blame you, oolite is awesome >.>
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[16:50] <dragonlance> yep play on laptop same as stellarium
[16:50] <shiftplusone> For what it's worth http://www.raspberrypi.org/forums/viewtopic.php?f=31&t=23423#p398927
[16:51] <Lope> LXDE logs off instantly when I login. (password definitely correct, have reset it from the terminal). Any ideas?
[16:51] <shiftplusone> if half a frame per second is your thing...
[16:51] <dragonlance> yes tried most forums but get silly replies
[16:52] <dragonlance> tried in raspbian irc but no one responding think all asleep or bots
[16:52] <shiftplusone> I did see some threads about stellarium running, but I guess it's going to involve a lot of fiddling and a somewhat unusable result
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[16:54] <dragonlance> can get it to work but have to ssh it from laptop dont ask me why it works then cause i dont understand must be nicking something from laptop
[16:54] <shiftplusone> hm
[16:54] <shiftplusone> on the pi, do you launch it from X11 or console?
[16:55] <dragonlance> the ssh progam on laptop in console
[16:55] <shiftplusone> no, when you try to launch it on the pi directly
[16:55] <dragonlance> forgot name of and pupet or p something
[16:55] <dragonlance> have tried both
[16:56] <shiftplusone> (putty?)
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[16:56] <dragonlance> thats the one
[16:56] <shiftplusone> heh... puppet >.>
[16:56] <dragonlance> yes been a while
[16:57] <shiftplusone> If I wasn't too lazy right now, I'd give it a go. I don't have my pi or lapdock with me though since I keep them at work =/
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[16:58] <dragonlance> got internet radio to work with vlc useing tunein radio .lua extensions works great now, shame vlc not as good on rpi bit slow
[16:58] <dragonlance> great for streaming audio though
[16:59] <shiftplusone> is this the vlc in the repo or did you compile it with pi support?
[17:00] <shiftplusone> because newer versions of vlc actually support the pi properly and shouldn't be slow.
[17:01] <dragonlance> in repo apt-get vlc download vlc tunein extensions master zip pasted into appropiate folders after giving chmod permissions works great
[17:02] <dragonlance> doesnt seem to stream video very good not like omxplayer
[17:02] <glycol> video from the camera?
[17:03] <dragonlance> try streaming a youtube video in vlc and omxplayer and spot the difference
[17:03] <dragonlance> nope streamed live from internet
[17:04] <glycol> interesting use case heh
[17:05] <dragonlance> srry use case dont understand
[17:10] <dragonlance> well thanks for info shiftp will have a play and see what if anyone else sas done about oolite would love for it to work on rpi
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[17:11] <shiftplusone> nuh, there's not much hope for oolite
[17:11] <dragonlance> see ya glycol
[17:12] <glycol> cya
[17:12] <dragonlance> see ya shiftplusone if this worked on all distros would make life a lot easier full console control
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[17:28] <dmsuperman> glycol [Saint] ShorTie thanks again for all your help, I finally got it figured out. RasPlex makes configuring things hard if you don't use the default HDMI output. But I found the config to force it to use the RCA video, hooked up to an old TV, configured it, then switched it back to HDMI and plugged it in and it worked. I now have my cheap airplay reciever that I wanted, and whenever I get a new HDMI tv I'll even have a plex player :D
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[17:31] <glycol> np :)
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[17:31] <glycol> got wifi working? today i figured out how to set up properly with wpa2
[17:32] <dmsuperman> yeah, the only way to config wifi seems to be via the plex interface
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[17:34] <dmsuperman> I'm not even sure where it stores the config, I'm grepping the entire filesystem for my SSID and it's not coming up
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[17:35] <glycol> try in /etc as root
[17:35] <dmsuperman> I'm grepping as result, started in /etc and got nada
[17:36] <dmsuperman> Now I'm trying /
[17:36] <dmsuperman> grepping as root**
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[17:40] <glycol> on raspbian its just "auto wlan0" "allow hotplug wlan0" "iface wlan0 inet dhcp" " wpa-ssid "the-ssid"" wpa-psk "passwd"" in /etc/network/interfaces
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[17:42] <glycol> rasplex might be something like NetworkManager running so this^ might be useless for you
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[17:42] <glycol> might be running*
[17:42] <pumphaus> does anyone know if a simple element-wise vector (or matrix) multiplication lib for the QPUs exists? so far I've found code for doing an FFT on the gpu and one for general matrix multiplication (pi-gemm). the last one would do, in theory, but it would require quite some additional memory which would all be zero
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[17:43] <pumphaus> unfortunately I don't know any assembler (let alone videocore stuff) to hack the code myself :/
[17:44] <glycol> i guess you'll have to learn assembler, can't see opencl coming to the pi anytime soon
[17:44] <dmsuperman> glycol: rasplex is OpenELEC based which is a barebones approach
[17:45] <dmsuperman> only the absolute necesseties. I don't have an /etc/network/interfaces (or even /etc/network)
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[17:45] <pumphaus> glycol: wasn't hoping for the full blown opencl, just element-wise matrix multiplication ;) but yea, I guess I'll just have to do that..
[17:45] <dmsuperman> I'm mostly familiar with debian-based or arch-based distros
[17:45] <dmsuperman> definitely no NetworkManager that I can tell
[17:45] <dmsuperman> oh well, it works, it's just a hassle to config if I don't have an HDMI tv
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[17:46] <dmsuperman> I have to SSH in, disable HDMI, plug into RCA TV, config, ssh in, enable HDMI, plug into stereo
[17:46] <dmsuperman> woot has Gen 2 nexus 7 tablets (32G) for 170 refurb today: http://sellout.woot.com/offers/google-nexus-7-32gb-tablet-gen-2-17?ref=cnt_wp_4_11
[17:47] <dmsuperman> pretty good price
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[17:51] <glycol> pumphaus: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WIf4Fk2252A&feature=youtu.be&t=21m20s
[17:53] <pumphaus> glycol: thanks. that was two years ago however..
[17:53] <glycol> yup, and pretty much nothing since then afaik
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[17:53] <ShockDoc> hello everyone
[17:54] <ShockDoc> I'm having a bit of trouble trying to ssh into my raspberry pi (arch linux)
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[17:54] <ShockDoc> I'm trying to do that without connecting my pi to a router, rather I'm using an ethernet cable from my laptop to the pi
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[17:55] <ShockDoc> nothing I have tried so far has helped
[17:55] <ShockDoc> as in setting static ip etc
[17:55] <ShockDoc> any help?
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[18:13] <ShockDoc> anyone?
[18:14] <Encrypt> I'm here :)
[18:14] <Encrypt> But I haven't done so
[18:15] <Encrypt> (Even "have never")
[18:15] <Encrypt> ShockDoc, Why don't you simply plug the Pi to your router or to a switch?
[18:16] <ShockDoc> I can't Encrypt , I'm homeless
[18:16] <ShockDoc> and, in a mental hospital
[18:16] <ShockDoc> and have been for the past 11 months
[18:16] <Encrypt> Oh :/
[18:16] <Encrypt> Sorry
[18:16] <ShockDoc> so I only have wireless internet from here, my laptop, an ethernet cable, and my pi
[18:16] <Encrypt> Ok, I see
[18:17] <Encrypt> I'll try however :p
[18:17] <ShockDoc> standing by
[18:17] <Encrypt> Between the Pi and your computer is a network
[18:17] <ShockDoc> well no
[18:17] <Encrypt> So, you have to set the eth0 I adress
[18:17] <Encrypt> IP*
[18:17] <ShockDoc> there is laptop ethernet port - ethernet cable - pi
[18:17] <Encrypt> ShockDoc,Yes ;)
[18:17] <Encrypt> That defines a network ;)
[18:18] <ShockDoc> in linux I can set a static ip, but what range should it be in?
[18:18] <Encrypt> So the idea is to have a different netmask
[18:18] <ShockDoc> which is the last digit of the ip right?
[18:18] <Encrypt> ShockDoc, If you type "ifconfig", you'll have informations about wlan0 (you may know that)
[18:18] <ShockDoc> yup
[18:18] <Encrypt> Have a look at the network adress and netmask
[18:19] <Encrypt> Most of the time, your IP will be 192.168.1.xxx
[18:19] <Encrypt> Whever xxx is between 1 and 255
[18:19] <ShockDoc> it is but whatever
[18:19] <Encrypt> Oh no, not whatever :p
[18:19] <Encrypt> ShockDoc, What is the netmask then?
[18:19] <ShockDoc>
[18:19] <Encrypt> Ok
[18:20] <ShockDoc> should I tell the pi to use that netmask?
[18:20] <ShockDoc> because I thought it did so by default
[18:20] <Encrypt> So, any address between and is an IP from the LAN
[18:20] <ShockDoc> from the wlan no?
[18:20] <Encrypt> Yes, exactly ;
[18:20] <Encrypt> ;)
[18:20] <Encrypt> Then, what you can do is set the following network between your Pi and the the computer:
[18:21] <Encrypt> For your computer, interface eth0 probably:
[18:21] <Encrypt> - Address:
[18:21] <Encrypt> - Netmask
[18:21] <Encrypt> And on your Pi:
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[18:22] <Encrypt> - Address:
[18:22] <Encrypt> - Same netmask
[18:22] <pksato> .1 to .254 , .0 and .255 are reserved to network and broadcast.
[18:22] <Encrypt> Oh yes, sorry
[18:22] <Encrypt> .0 is the network and .255 used for broadcast
[18:22] <ShockDoc> wait you've lost me XD
[18:23] <Encrypt> ShockDoc, You should be able to edit the /etc/network/interfaces file on your Raspberry Pi
[18:23] <Encrypt> To give it a static IP adress
[18:23] <Encrypt> address*
[18:23] <ShockDoc> it's arch, so I have to do it in netcl I guess
[18:23] <Encrypt> Oh :p
[18:23] <Encrypt> I'm using a derivative of Debian :P
[18:23] <ShockDoc> thanks for all the help btw Encrypt :D
[18:23] <Encrypt> No idea of the commands n Arch :P
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[18:23] <ShockDoc> it's that arch comes with ssh enabled by default
[18:24] <Encrypt> ShockDoc, Anyway, you should have the ifconfig copmmand, right?
[18:24] <pksato> if you are cruzy man, can use .0 and .255 as ip 'normal' address.
[18:24] <ShockDoc> on the raspberry pi? sure I think so
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[18:24] <Encrypt> ShockDoc, On your laptop also
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[18:24] <ShockDoc> well yeah it's xubuntu :p
[18:24] <Encrypt> So,
[18:25] <Encrypt> On your laptop: ifconfig eth0
[18:25] <Encrypt> And on your raspberry pi, open the /etc/network/interfaces file from your laptop (on which you'll have plugged the SD Card)
[18:25] <Encrypt> And change it for:
[18:26] <ShockDoc> what to use as the gateway Encrypt ?
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[18:26] <ShockDoc> also eventually, I'd like to share my laptop's internet connection with the pi if that's possible
[18:27] <Encrypt> Yes :]
[18:27] <Encrypt> That is doable
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[18:27] <Encrypt> ShockDoc, Here is the config file
[18:27] <Encrypt> http://pastebin.com/PQKEwvXL
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[18:28] <Encrypt> Also, change the address for if the laptop is
[18:28] <Encrypt> Once youy've done so, you can plugyour Raspberry Pi
[18:29] <Encrypt> Normally, you should be able to ping it
[18:29] <ShockDoc> I have to figure out how to do it in the netcl eth0 config file, just a moment
[18:29] <Encrypt> And even SH to it
[18:29] <Encrypt> SSH*
[18:29] <Encrypt> ShockDoc, Ok, great :)
[18:30] <ShockDoc> urg why did I pick arch XD TO THE ARCH WIKI!
[18:30] <Encrypt> You can still switch to raspbian :D
[18:32] <ShockDoc> shit urg I'm not sure using netcl is the correct way of doing this
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[18:37] <ShockDoc> alright, config file written to sd card, wish me luck fellas :D
[18:39] <Encrypt> Yes :p
[18:39] <ShockDoc> I don't think it worked
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[18:40] <ShockDoc> putty doesn't work, I'm gonna look what the terminal says
[18:40] <ShockDoc> nothing
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[18:41] <glycol> doesn't make much sense to use arch when raspbian is more popular and has better support imo, especially if you don't seem to be familiar with it
[18:42] <ShockDoc> I think the problem is laptop side actually
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[18:42] <ShockDoc> aha!
[18:42] <shiftplusone> eh? arch support is pretty much unrivalled. The wiki is absolutely brilliant.
[18:43] <shiftplusone> (I use raspbian, but arch is a good choice too, especially if you want to learn how things work under the hood)
[18:43] <ShockDoc> AHA
[18:44] <ShockDoc> I'm so close
[18:44] <ShockDoc> I can feel it XD
[18:44] <ShockDoc> YES
[18:44] <ShockDoc> IT WORKS
[18:44] <ShockDoc> Encrypt: thanks for the help buddy
[18:44] <ShockDoc> and the rest of you :)
[18:44] <Encrypt> \o/
[18:44] <Encrypt> ShockDoc, Wait a second :p
[18:44] <Encrypt> You're welcome by the way :P
[18:45] <ShockDoc> I'm not going anywhere :D
[18:45] <Encrypt> ShockDoc, Ok, I thought you'd leave :p
[18:45] <Encrypt> Now, you wanted to share the wifi access with the pi
[18:45] <ShockDoc> aaah
[18:45] <ShockDoc> true
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[18:45] <Encrypt> What you have to do is on xubuntyu
[18:45] <Encrypt> We have to set xubuntu as a router
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[18:46] <ShockDoc> not the share connection thingy I hope?
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[18:46] <Encrypt> So, what you have to do is enabling packet forwarding
[18:46] <Encrypt> And also magi stuff with iptables
[18:46] <Encrypt> magic*
[18:46] <ShockDoc> ._.
[18:47] <ShockDoc> I have no idea how to approach this XD
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[18:47] <glycol> man iptables
[18:47] <glycol> jk
[18:47] <Encrypt> ShockDoc, I'll tell you ;)
[18:48] <Encrypt> ShockDoc, Normally, on the Pi, you shouldn't be able to do:
[18:48] <Encrypt> "$ ping 192.1468.2.1"
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[18:48] <Encrypt> "$ ping" *
[18:49] <ShockDoc> wait because I have disconnected putty
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[18:50] <ShockDoc> that indeed does not work
[18:50] <ShockDoc> as expected
[18:50] <Encrypt> Ok :)
[18:50] <Encrypt> ShockDoc, So, now, type on xubuntu;
[18:51] <Encrypt> "# echo 1 > /proc/sys/net/ipv4/ip_forward"
[18:52] <Encrypt> Now, try again to ping
[18:52] <Encrypt> Or to ping google
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[19:11] <sla_erick> I bought this extension board, but i havent found any documentation regarding the pin layout: http://img.auctiva.com/imgdata/1/3/5/4/2/9/5/webimg/749725418_o.jpg
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[19:12] <sla_erick> does anyone has any idea on how is that extension board pin layout?
[19:13] <sla_erick> I see P0, P1, P2, P3 until P7, but is that GPIO notation or pin number?
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[19:14] <gordonDrogon> sla_erick, looks like a board designed to go into a breadboard?
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[19:14] <gordonDrogon> I suspect the Px numbers are actually wiringPi pin numbers (hurrah ;-)
[19:15] <gordonDrogon> have a look here: http://wiringpi.com/pins/ to work out the wiringPi pin numbers to BCM_GPIO pin numbers.
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[19:15] <gordonDrogon> it'll also give you the pin numbers of the SPI pins and serial pins should you want to use those too.
[19:16] <sla_erick> oh i see :) thanks gordonDrogon
[19:16] <gordonDrogon> so e.g. P0 is BCM_GPIO 17.
[19:16] <gordonDrogon> or if you use wirngPi, it's pin number 0.
[19:16] <sla_erick> ill print those 2 image in a big poster
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[19:17] <gordonDrogon> there is a PDF link to it too.
[19:17] <gordonDrogon> I need to update it for the B+ ... tomorrow.
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[19:26] <Alex_TNT> anyone know why my screen is stuck at this? http://i.imgur.com/FhNDVqI.jpg
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[19:50] <burlyscudd> using a Netgear N150 (Realtek RTL8188CUS) wifi dongle on my Beaglebone Black (RevC) and seeing crazy latency/packet loss. No one is in that channel answering anything right now, I thought I would ask if anyone had seen this with RPi, as perhaps the resolutions would be similar. (Running Debian on my BBB, which it came with)
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[19:51] <xmanmonk> Have never had network latency on my pi, but I'm using different hardware. Have you run Wireshark to see if there are other network problems?
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[19:52] <erry> any (small) touch screen you know to work with rpi + available in the uk?
[19:53] <burlyscudd> xmanmonk: run wireshark on another box to see if the network issue is network-wide, you mean?
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[19:54] <xmanmonk> Yes, or run it on the same box if you can. Either way. Also, tcpdump might be useful, but it's easier to weed through the legit stuff with Wireshark.
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[19:55] <burlyscudd> xmanmonk: getting wireshark on here with this level of latency is a nonstarter
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[19:55] <xmanmonk> Ah. Hadn't thought of that. Yeah, if you have another machine on the same network, then you can try that.
[19:56] <burlyscudd> xmanmonk: it's almost like it's tarpitting or something — each ping seems to take longer
[19:57] <burlyscudd> xmanmonk: in any case not sure if libpcap is on these stripped-down linux distros — would need to check
[19:57] <xmanmonk> Hmm. Sorry, I have very little network experience. When I have network problems, I usually go right to Wireshark and take a gander. My Raspberry is in Texas right now (where I'm not) so I can't check the distro.
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[20:00] <burlyscudd> xmanmonk: no worries. i'll keep digging
[20:00] <xmanmonk> Best of luck.
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[20:06] <gordonDrogon> erry, the Adafruit one?
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[20:07] <gordonDrogon> erry, e.g. http://shop.pimoroni.com/products/pitft-mini-kit-320x240-2-8-tft-touchscreen-for-raspberry-pi
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[20:22] <abnormal> Inspiral, you there?????
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[20:22] <Inspiral> i sat down to my pc about 4 minutes ago
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[20:24] <pie_> Hey guys, any pros/cons of installing debian armhf vs raspbian?
[20:24] <abnormal> yeah? so how is ur Pi?? Inspiral
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[20:25] <abnormal> saint u there???
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[20:25] <Inspiral> abnormal: i setup a minecraft server on it, which worked well for testing but crashed a few times with heavy amounts to load
[20:25] <Inspiral> not touched it apart from that
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[20:26] <abnormal> I c... it's a bit much for it tho...
[20:26] <Inspiral> yeh i think so, had to try though
[20:26] <Inspiral> it works really well considering
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[20:27] <xmanmonk> pie_: Not sure, but you might be able to multi-boot it with BerryBoot and give it a try.
[20:27] <pie_> well 512mb of ram is rather little for minecraft?
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[20:27] <abnormal> but I have a theory, if you can hook the Pi to a good monitor that has HDMI connector and has HIGH refresh rate then that wud b a nice set up for Minecraft....
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[20:33] <abnormal> the mem in monitor wud do all the work instead of the Pi....
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[20:34] <gordonDrogon> pie_, Debian will be compiled for ARM v7 and won't work on the Pi. Use Raspbian.
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[20:37] <pie_> :/ ok I guess.
[20:37] <IT_Sean> ?
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[20:40] <abnormal> Hi, $ 256 per hr guy...
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[20:40] <xmanmonk> abnormal: :)
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[20:41] <abnormal> howdie... xmanmonk
[20:41] <xmanmonk> abnormal: howdie. Only $256 per hour? Not bad.
[20:41] <abnormal> yeh for IT_Sean...
[20:42] <xmanmonk> abnormal: Ah. Thought you were answering the question about what it would take to add a library.
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[20:43] <xmanmonk> abnormal: sorry. It was another channel. I'm a bonehead :)
[20:43] <abnormal> lol.... one day I asked him if he cud help me cuz he is IT, and that is what he will charge up front...
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[20:45] <xmanmonk> abnormal: Ah. That seems a bit steep for Raspberry work. I used to charge $300 for mainframe work with AI software years ago.
[20:45] <abnormal> xmanmonk, no, u not bonehead... you are ok...
[20:46] <abnormal> wow... good income... u lucky
[20:46] <xmanmonk> abnormal: It's okay. I've come to accept my boneheadedness :) It was a good income, but I don't make that anymore. Now I write, which is almost no income.
[20:47] <abnormal> aww, sorry... I don't make much either... I work for Eaton Corp.
[20:47] <abnormal> brb
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[20:57] <ChaseTrains> Hi. This is an extremely noobish question. As I've understood it, an USB-powered computer (raspberry pi) assumes that the input is 5V (or does it?). Now, how can multiple USB-devices be connected to the raspberry pi (each wanting 5V each?)
[20:57] <shiftplusone> ChaseTrains, indeed.
[20:58] <shiftplusone> But don't think of the pi as a usb powered computer and don't think that there's a 5v drop from each device attached to the pi.
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[20:58] <xmanmonk> ChaseTrains: Not too noobish :) There is a power management section on the main board that carries the same voltage to the USB ports. Voltage does not drop when provided in parallel. What does drop is current, so the real issue is the available current.
[20:59] <xmanmonk> ChaseTrains: Because of the current drop, it used to be recommended that people use a powered USB hub to connect more devices. With the new board, there is more current available.
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[21:00] <Jusii> current doesn't really drop either, there's just only some amount available
[21:00] <Jusii> when all current is used, then actually the voltage drops
[21:01] <Jusii> voltage is constant and there's only some amount of current available to be used
[21:01] <ChaseTrains> I'll read about currents then :)
[21:01] <ChaseTrains> thanks
[21:01] * shiftplusone resists (pun intended) to mention that there is a voltage drop in the cables and traces as well which increases with higher current usage.
[21:01] <Jusii> :)
[21:02] <xmanmonk> Jusii: Current will drop if the ports' power are wired in parallel. So if you give it 1 Amp, and you plug in three things that each use 500 milliamps, you're out of power. Bad things will happen.
[21:02] <xmanmonk> shiftplusone: Yes, very true.
[21:02] * ShorTie thinkz awg
[21:02] <shiftplusone> ChaseTrains, just look at ohm's law and apply it things connected up in series and in parallel.
[21:03] <ChaseTrains> thanks! :D
[21:03] <shiftplusone> ShorTie, unless you know the number and diameter of strands, AWG is pointless.
[21:03] <Jusii> xmanmonk: it really doesn't 'drop', you get current up to 1 amp, that's max. And actually the voltage will drop when you try to draw more than that 1 amp
[21:03] <abnormal> ChaseTrains, I use a 7 port USB powered hub, and that one supplies 2.5 amps...
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[21:04] <xmanmonk> Jusii: Yes, you're right -- the voltage will drop because of the supply.
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[21:05] <xmanmonk> abnormal: 7 ports at 2.5 amps?! Wow. Could run a vacuum cleaner on that! :)
[21:05] <ChaseTrains> to many amps and things burn up I assume? :p
[21:05] <gordonDrogon> imagine anyone using amps as a measure of power...
[21:06] <ChaseTrains> doesn't different components need different currents?
[21:06] <gordonDrogon> ChaseTrains, in-general components only take as much current as they need.
[21:06] <xmanmonk> ChaseTrains: Yes, but too many won't bother things. Think of it as a bank account of available amperage.
[21:06] <abnormal> true.. lol.. I have lots of stuff connected to the one Pi, xmanmonk
[21:07] <ChaseTrains> gordonDrogon: how? zener diodes or what?
[21:08] <gordonDrogon> ChaseTrains, no - that's just the way it works. imagine a light bulb in a house in a socket. that socket has 100 amps available to it, yet the light bulb only needs 0.5, so only 0.5 flows.
[21:08] <shiftplusone> ChaseTrains, nope, nothing will burn. If you try to draw too much from the power supply, as others have said, the voltage will start to drop.... there's a limit to how much power (voltage times current) you can get out of it. And that limit is below stuff blowing up (under normal conditions)
[21:08] <ChaseTrains> if you increase the amps to 1000, shouldn't the bulb light brighter/burn or something?
[21:09] <abnormal> no
[21:09] <gordonDrogon> ChaseTrains, you can't increase the amps - unless you also increase the voltage. then things will start to go pop.
[21:09] <ChaseTrains> shiftplusone: ah, I see.. watt
[21:09] <abnormal> lol
[21:09] <gordonDrogon> Watt was the Scotsmans name...
[21:09] <xmanmonk> ChaseTrains: The bulb will only burn brigher (and draw more amps) if the resistance in the bulb drops (like a short). I=E/R.
[21:09] <shiftplusone> ChaseTrains, remember V=IR. Voltage is a constant 5v. You can think of the resistance changing depending on the load. Then the current HAS to change for the equation to work.
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[21:10] <shiftplusone> ChaseTrains, so you can't push MORE current in without reducing the resistance, which you can't do either.
[21:10] <xmanmonk> ChaseTrains: shiftplusone has it.
[21:11] <shiftplusone> If you see 2A on a power supply, that's not the current it provides, it's the current it claims to be ABLE to provide at the rated voltage. (It lies more often than not though)
[21:11] <ChaseTrains> oh.. so volt is simply the "gravity" in the circuit in some direction.. and the circuit's properties sets the current (amps).. slows the current down on places etc?
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[21:12] <shiftplusone> Depends on the circuit, but let's go with 'yes' for now.
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[21:14] <gordonDrogon> ChaseTrains, the usual analogy is a tank full of water - which is the voltage, and the speed of flow through the pipes is the current. you can't increase the speed of flow without increasing the height of water, or increasing the diameter of the pipe (lowering the resistance) increase the height of watrer too much and the pipe will burst.
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[21:17] <shiftplusone> ShorTie, actually, I apologise. I was completely wrong about awg being meaningless without the number of strands. That only applies to AC, not DC. Solid core or stranded is almost the same when talking about DC.
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[21:19] <xmanmonk> Me thinks shiftplusone paid attention in engineering school :)
[21:19] <abnormal> lol
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[21:19] <shiftplusone> Paid so much attention, it took me an extra two years to graduate >.>
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[21:20] <xmanmonk> shiftplusone: I got drunk in my last year, so it took me a bit longer, too :)
[21:20] <abnormal> I sorta did too but most of what I learned is gone...
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[21:20] <xmanmonk> abnormal: That's what happens when we don't use it. Which is why I latched onto the Pi thing as soon as it was available.
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[21:21] <abnormal> me too.. I was not into linux until I discovered the Pi and BBB
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[21:22] <xmanmonk> abnormal: I'd been using Unix for years, so Linux was a natural. My degree is electrical engineering, but I ended up working in AI software for a decade or so, and I forgot a bit of the EE stuff.
[21:23] <abnormal> you lucky dog.. wish I knew Unix...
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[21:23] <gordonDrogon> abnormal, do you have a Pi?
[21:23] <xmanmonk> abnormal: Start with "help" and then "man 1 intro" and go from there.
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[21:24] <gordonDrogon> xmanmonk, help... haha :)
[21:24] <abnormal> 4 of them and chatting u guys wuth one of them...
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[21:24] <gordonDrogon> abnormal, so there you are Linux isn't Unix but it might as well be.
[21:25] <xmanmonk> gordonDrogon: Believe it or not, I started with an office that had a Unix connection and a LISP machine. No manuals or help. So I typed help, and that's how I learned. :)
[21:25] <gordonDrogon> there is no Unix "magic" that you can't find with Linux.
[21:25] <abnormal> looks that way... was Win guy until XP went kapooie...
[21:25] <xmanmonk> gordonDrogon: Very true. The only difference is cost :)
[21:25] <gordonDrogon> xmanmonk, sounds fun - but there's not been a 'help command in unix/linux/*ix as far as I've known...
[21:26] <xmanmonk> gordonDrogon: There is in mine. I'm running Mint, but I thought raspian had one, too.
[21:26] <abnormal> I wanted to get the Odroid U3 but ran out of funds lol...
[21:26] <xmanmonk> gordonDrogon: But that first help, I think, was Solaris or SunOS 5.
[21:26] * gordonDrogon eeks.
[21:26] <gordonDrogon> seems it's a bash builtin.
[21:27] <gordonDrogon> how about that. guess that's what I get for running a shell other than bash all these years.
[21:27] <xmanmonk> gordonDrogon: Ah, that's probably it. Yes, I think I've always run bash. Sometimes csh, but usually bash.
[21:28] <gordonDrogon> tcsh and csh before that... early 'sh' in the bad old days (when man pages were printed)
[21:28] <xmanmonk> gordonDrogon: Just noticed that I don't even have csh on my mint machine. Ah yes, I remember sh too! Those were the days!
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[21:28] <xmanmonk> gordonDrogon: I think I was running an IBM S/370 back then :)
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[21:28] <gordonDrogon> xmanmonk, PDP11/40 for me...
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[21:29] <xmanmonk> gordonDrogon: Yeah! Had a PDP-8 at the college I taught at. Nice.
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[21:33] <tero> hi all
[21:33] <xmanmonk> tero: Howdy.
[21:33] <tero> heh soldering on a brand new android tablet... that was an adrenaline rush :D
[21:33] <tero> http://serviskoles.net/avtek/20140726_171215.jpg
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[21:34] <xmanmonk> tero: Oh dear, that looks intense.
[21:34] <IT_Sean> Why were you soldering on a brand new tablket?
[21:35] <tero> me and my brother were "modifying" his car
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[21:35] <tero> he has now an android tablet in his center console
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[21:36] <xmanmonk> tero: Very nice.
[21:36] <IT_Sean> I see
[21:36] <tero> http://serviskoles.net/avtek/20140727_174159.jpg
[21:36] <tero> end result
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[21:37] <abnormal> Oh, cool so he can program it to do all the driving for him? tero
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[21:37] <tero> driving?
[21:37] <tero> lol
[21:37] <tero> we are not google
[21:37] <tero> :P
[21:37] <xmanmonk> tero: Very nice. I'd be too distracted with it :) Now, if you can get some i/o stuff with sensors in the car, that would be a fun little project.
[21:38] <abnormal> aww dang... I was hoping he'd beat google...
[21:38] <tero> xmanmonk yes that was the plan
[21:38] <tero> OBD2 bluetooth adapter
[21:38] <xmanmonk> tero: Did somethinglike that years ago with my Volkswagon. And then it caught on fire. Not because of me, thankfully :)
[21:39] <tero> our plan is also to use rpi
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[21:39] <tero> to use is for a reverse camera
[21:40] <tero> then over wifi send it to tablet
[21:40] <xmanmonk> tero: Excellent use for the pi. The new board has more gpio ports, too. Make sure that wifi connection is secure!
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[21:40] <tero> lol
[21:40] <tero> i allready have the camera board
[21:41] <ppq> why not use the pi for the car sensor stuff, with wires instead of bluetooth?
[21:41] <ppq> via gpio
[21:41] <tero> so what is the easiest way to send the picture from rpi to android device over IP ?
[21:41] <tero> ppq it is easier
[21:41] <ppq> ok
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[21:50] <SpeedEvil> tero: botsync
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[21:52] <ppq> tero, i heard the best solution is crtmpserver+ffmpeg, see example 8 on http://www.linux-projects.org/modules/sections/index.php?op=viewarticle&artid=16
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[21:52] <ppq> provided your camera is supported by V4L2
[21:53] <ppq> 960x540 with 25 FPS should work. i'm not sure about 1280x720 at 30 FPS
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[21:54] <ppq> you can view the rtmp stream with an android app. or set up a httpd on the pi and use jwplayer to watch the stream in a browser
[21:55] <ChaseTrains> so far, I understand volt (from a battery) as a complex cause to an upper limit of that battery's amp-output?
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[21:57] <gordonDrogon> ChaseTrains, a batterys capacity isn't related to its voltage.
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[21:58] <abnormal> yeah it does, it's called amp/hours
[21:58] <gordonDrogon> ChaseTrains, what is it that you actually want to know?
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[21:58] <ppq> the "capacity" (which is no capacity) is A*h, not A/h, abnormal
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[21:59] <abnormal> so, when the battery's capacity drops so does the voltage.
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[22:05] <ChaseTrains> gordonDrogon: why and how amp matters.. how a 5v input with 2amp differs from the same but with 1 amp instead
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[22:06] <ppq> it's all about energy conservation
[22:06] <ppq> or, simpler to understand, power
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[22:07] <shiftplusone> ChaseTrains, the difference is that if whatever that supply is hooked up to draws 1.5A, one will cope with it, the other won't.
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[22:07] <shiftplusone> ChaseTrains, or do you mean what is current on a physical level?
[22:09] <ChaseTrains> yeah
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[22:09] <shiftplusone> It is proportional to the number of electrons passing through an area
[22:10] <shiftplusone> one coulomb (a specific amount of electrons) per second is one amp
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[22:11] <abnormal> ChaseTrains, an example: if you place an arch on a race way and the opening would allow only one bicyclist at a time through it, and you have 1000 bicyclists waiting to go thru arch would keep the flow constant, if you open the arch opening to allow more bicyclists through the flow would increase. this is the same as what you hook up to Pi, the more you use, the more electrons will flow through.
[22:12] <ChaseTrains> shiftplusone: and the volt determines the amount of energy per that coulomb
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[22:12] <shiftplusone> ChaseTrains, exactly.
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[22:14] <shiftplusone> If you have 1000 cyclists going down a small hill, that would be equivalent to a low voltage. if you throw them off a cliff... that would be fun to watch.
[22:14] <shiftplusone> I mean... that would correspond to a high voltage >.>
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[22:14] <abnormal> u full of it, shiftplusone
[22:15] <shiftplusone> Just trying to stretch the cyclist analogy as far as it will go >.>
[22:16] <abnormal> yeh watched the one on TV yesterday of the Austrian motobike race, wicked....
[22:17] <abnormal> a UK guy won first place.
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[22:20] <shiftplusone> ChaseTrains, note that a current going through a resistance will result in a voltage drop, which will mean power is dissipated, usually as heat. So there's a limit to how much current you can pass through a wire before things start melting. Same applies for silicon chips as well.. too much current and bad things happen. That's why current limiting resistors are used. For example, you don't put
[22:20] <shiftplusone> an LED directly on an output pin of the pi... you throw a resistor on there as well.
[22:20] <ChaseTrains> (brb)
[22:20] <ChaseTrains> (also thanks... but brb)
[22:20] <ChaseTrains> (will read soon)
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[22:32] <abnormal> oh? everyone die here????
[22:33] <ShorTie> na, just taking a nap
[22:33] <gordonDrogon> been kneading up bread dough..
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[22:35] <abnormal> oh? making a Pi case out of bread?
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[22:37] <abnormal> ShorTie, nap??? hmmm... I thought u'd be raking up a storm loading the Pi of lots of stuff to do funny things...
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[22:39] <ShorTie> actually, been playing buono
[22:39] <gordonDrogon> abnormal, not quite, although it might be fun :)
[22:40] <abnormal> I c, ShorTie , I'm playing Chat... lol
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[22:48] <abnormal> just hooked up a Quick Start to this Pi... gunna do some tricky programming to make it do funny things....
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[22:50] <gordonDrogon> a quick start?
[22:51] <abnormal> yeh, a Parallax Quick Start board.... kinda like Arduino Uno but different...
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[22:51] <abnormal> look it up in google...
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[22:52] <gordonDrogon> ah right.
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[23:11] <ChaseTrains> if I = V/R .. and R=0.00000000001, then I = a shitloads of amps?
[23:11] <abnormal> yup
[23:11] <xmanmonk> ChaseTrains: That's called a short :)
[23:12] <abnormal> little R = lots of cyclists fly by...
[23:12] <ChaseTrains> :D
[23:12] <ChaseTrains> xmanmonk: a big boom for a battery?
[23:12] <ChaseTrains> (if you mix its chemicals directly together)
[23:12] <xmanmonk> ChaseTrains: Yeah. Bad things happen.
[23:12] <abnormal> high R = cyclists go "uuummmpppphhhh"
[23:13] <ChaseTrains> do the resistance lower the amount of electrons, or just the charge of the electrons?
[23:13] <ChaseTrains> or the speed of them?
[23:13] <ChaseTrains> or what's happening?
[23:14] <shiftplusone> number
[23:14] <shiftplusone> but depends on the circuit
[23:14] <ChaseTrains> it's "clogging" up the electrons (or holes) I can imagine, because it's "transferring" slower
[23:14] <shiftplusone> eh? it's not clogging anything
[23:15] <xmanmonk> ChaseTrains: Oh dear. Physics. The electrons, for the most part, travel at the same speed nearly always. It holds them back, as shiftplusone said.
[23:15] <abnormal> It's like a water valve, almost closed is high resistance, the valve wide open = high flow = 0 R
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[23:15] <ChaseTrains> so it's almost equivalent to a "thinner" wire?
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[23:16] <abnormal> So, the electrons are like water thru pipes.
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[23:16] <abnormal> so, you need a GOOD USB cable to power the Pi...
[23:17] <xmanmonk> abnormal: The Pi doesn't really draw much current. Especially the new board.
[23:17] <Encrypt> As the others said, R=0.00000000001 is a short
[23:17] <Encrypt> (circuit)
[23:18] <ShorTie> no, actually the new pi out draws the old pi
[23:18] <abnormal> thin wire = limited electron flow, thicker wire = more electron flow....
[23:18] <Encrypt> That's probably the resistance or less of a track on a PCB
[23:18] <ShorTie> or can
[23:18] <xmanmonk> ShorTie: The advertising claims it uses less power.
[23:18] <abnormal> the mod B+
[23:19] <xmanmonk> ShorTie: Or perhaps it draws more when you have all kinds of things plugged in?
[23:19] <xmanmonk> abnormal: Yes, that's it. The mod b_
[23:19] <xmanmonk> abnormal: b+
[23:19] <shiftplusone> it uses less power, but it's capable allowing more current through it
[23:19] <Encrypt> <xmanmonk> ShorTie: Or perhaps it draws more when you have all kinds of things plugged in? // Yes, obviously ;)
[23:19] <ShorTie> ^that, thankZ
[23:19] <abnormal> yeh, has Eben said so?
[23:20] <shiftplusone> what does Eben need to have said? O_o
[23:20] <Encrypt> There are two fuse values on the new Pi
[23:20] <xmanmonk> Encrypt: Thanks. Got it.
[23:20] <ChaseTrains> abnormal: a resistor, is it equal to a 'thinner' wire conducting-wise?
[23:20] <Encrypt> And one is 1.5 Amps if I remember well
[23:20] <abnormal> yes, ChaseTrains
[23:20] <Encrypt> So, it can provide more power to peripherals
[23:20] <shiftplusone> ChaseTrains, thin wire is likely to melt... a resistor won't.
[23:20] <Encrypt> shiftplusone, Depends on the resistor :P
[23:20] <shiftplusone> Heh, I'm oversimplifying yes, but for a reason.
[23:21] <abnormal> resistors have amperage ratings...
[23:21] <xmanmonk> abnormal: Usually, wattage ratings, so it depends on the voltage as well :) Same thing, though, in essence.
[23:21] <abnormal> ok xmanmonk
[23:21] <Encrypt> More precisely, maximum power-forwarding characteristics
[23:22] <abnormal> ok Encrypt
[23:22] <Encrypt> (I mean, that's what is written on teh datasheet)
[23:22] <abnormal> u betcha, Encrypt
[23:22] <xmanmonk> Encrypt: Yes, correct sir. :)
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[23:27] <ChaseTrains> why can't you connect the - on one battery to the + of another and get a current?
[23:28] <IT_Sean> becasue just going from the - on one batt to the + on another doesn't complete a circuit.
[23:28] <xmanmonk> ChaseTrains: You will get a current. A LOT of current. And it's usually brief and sometimes dangerous :)
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[23:28] <ChaseTrains> IT_Sean and xmanmonk, who's right? :P
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[23:29] <plugwash> IT_Sean, is right, as a general rule current needs to flow in complete circuits
[23:29] <xmanmonk> ChaseTrains: IT_Sean is right that it's not really a circuit, at least not a useful one. Unless you're trying to blow yourself up :)
[23:29] <IT_Sean> ChaseTrains: if you have two batteries and one bit of wire, and you got fomr - on B-1 and + on B-2, nothing will happen. It is not a complete circuit.
[23:29] <xmanmonk> plugwash: It is a complete circuit, but has very little resistance, resulting in incredibly high current.
[23:29] <IT_Sean> xmanmonk: I think you've misunderstood what he is asking
[23:29] <shiftplusone> xmanmonk, two separate batteries...
[23:30] <xmanmonk> ChaseTrains: Oh, my mistake! Sorry. I thought you meant on the same batter! Thanks shiftplusone!
[23:30] <shiftplusone> np
[23:31] <ChaseTrains> :p
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[23:31] <xmanmonk> shiftplusone: I'm on Tramadol right now. Please ignore everything I said over the last 12 hours :)
[23:31] <ChaseTrains> so why won't you get a "voltage" over the wire?
[23:32] <shiftplusone> ChaseTrains, you do.
[23:32] <shiftplusone> ah, you mean with two different batteries, nvrm
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[23:33] <shiftplusone> I don't know what tramadol is, but it sounds like fun. Like a trampoline, but a drug.
[23:34] <xmanmonk> shiftplusone: I have chronic back pain. It makes life tolerable :)
[23:34] <shiftplusone> agh
[23:35] <xmanmonk> shiftplusone: But it can be fun sometimes, too! Mostly, I take a lot of notes and then wonder what the heck I was thinking when the meds wear off.
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[23:42] <DanDare> Hello. Whats the minimum current to power a pi model B? Without anything attached to it, just the pi ?
[23:43] <DanDare> 700mA?
[23:45] <xmanmonk> DanDare: From the Raspberry site: "Typically, the model B uses between 700-1000mA depending on what peripherals are connected..."
[23:45] <xmanmonk> DanDare: http://www.raspberrypi.org/help/faqs/
[23:46] <plugwash> ChaseTrains, voltage is for the most part relative
[23:46] <DanDare> ok, thanks xmanmonk
[23:46] <xmanmonk> DanDare: np :)
[23:47] <plugwash> so the + terminal of a battery is a given number of volts higher than the - terminal but the battery doesn't really do anything to set the absoloute voltage
[23:48] <plugwash> connect the + terminal of one battery to the - terminal of the other and you just end up with a larger voltage between the terminals that are not connected
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[23:49] <xmanmonk> ChaseTrains: Exactly as plugwash is saying. In fact, the inside of most batteries (bigger than 1.5v anyway) have multiple little batteries connected in this way.
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