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IRC Log for 2014-07-28

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[0:05] <iamjarvo> hi all, I followed the vnc instructions but I must have missed something. Here is a screenshot of when i connect to the vnc can anyone tell what's wrong? http://cl.ly/image/3K3U3r272h3u
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[0:07] <shiftplusone> looks like you've got nothing running there
[0:07] <shiftplusone> what instructions did you use?
[0:08] <iamjarvo> http://www.raspberrypi.org/documentation/remote-access/vnc/
[0:08] <iamjarvo> i followed up to running it on the pi
[0:10] <shiftplusone> Those are pretty bad =/. Not sure what's wrong exactly but there are a few warning signs there
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[0:11] <iamjarvo> so you said i dont have anything running there, does that mean i am connected to the pi but an empty part? or connected to a wrong device
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[0:13] <shiftplusone> No idea, but since this is the foundation's documentation, I'd open an issue there
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[0:14] <cyberangel> abnormal ending
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[0:16] <iamjarvo> are there better instructions you can link to?
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[0:19] <ShorTie> adafuits is good
[0:20] <ShorTie> http://learn.adafruit.com/adafruit-raspberry-pi-lesson-7-remote-control-with-vnc/running-vncserver-at-startup
[0:21] <ShorTie> but it comes up on port 5901, so you gotta add a :1 to your address
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[0:23] <ShorTie> what does 'ps -ax | grep vnc' say ??
[0:24] <ChaseTrains> about what was said about the 'amps' of a phone charger earlier, it was said that 3A denotes the maximum current the charger can take without breaking. But does it also imply that the charger can output 3A? -- I can imagine a charger with 5V that's unable to output any current, the potential difference is there but not the charges so to speak; is that only in my imagination?
[0:25] <ShorTie> i think the biggy problem with that tut is that it is trying to run it as root
[0:25] <ShorTie> root and X don't really like 1 an other
[0:25] <IT_Sean> The rating on the charger indicates the maximum current that it CAN provide, ChaseTrains.
[0:26] <xmanmonk> ChaseTrains: It should deliver close to a maximum of 3A without an issue. Yes, what IT_Sean said.
[0:27] <ChaseTrains> and above that.. it either breaks or simply don't provide 3A? (which one would you expect?)
[0:27] <xmanmonk> ChaseTrains: It won't reliably provide the proper power. The voltage will likely drop.
[0:27] <ShorTie> even with adafruits tut, you gotta do it as a user or it don't work .. :/~
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[0:28] <IT_Sean> Indeed. If you tryu to "Suck" more than 3A out of it, the voltage will drop.
[0:28] <IT_Sean> The rating indicates the maximum current it can supply before it drops below the rated voltage, ChaseTrains.
[0:30] <ChaseTrains> ah, thanks :D
[0:31] <ChaseTrains> can you get like a 999999 amp current from a 2v/3mA charger where the volt has dropped to something ridiculously small?
[0:31] <Squarepy> ?
[0:31] <Squarepy> I = R*V
[0:32] <xmanmonk> ChaseTrains: Mathematically, yes. Practically, not really.
[0:32] <IT_Sean> Indeed... Not in practice.
[0:32] <Squarepy> oops
[0:32] <xmanmonk> Squarepy: :) I think you meant i=e/r, right?
[0:33] <Squarepy> getting late here
[0:33] <Squarepy> hehe
[0:33] <plugwash> ChaseTrains, no you will find that no matter how low you drop the load resistance there is still a finite limit to the current
[0:33] * cccyRegeaneWolfe is now known as cccy_RegeaneWolf
[0:33] <[Saint]> I think you mean i, after e, accept after c, times the spped of light squared.
[0:34] <IT_Sean> ... in avacuum.
[0:34] <plugwash> depending on the particular power supply you may also find it trips out or goes up in smoke at some point
[0:34] <[Saint]> That's right. I'm sure.
[0:34] <xmanmonk> [Saint]: Exactly. Think I'll have another...
[0:34] <IT_Sean> It's i after e except next to c, multipled by g, divided by the speed of light in a partial vacuum, innit?
[0:35] <xmanmonk> IT_Sean: Only at sea level.
[0:35] <IT_Sean> Bugger.
[0:35] <IT_Sean> Forgot that bit.
[0:35] <IT_Sean> And on alternate tuesdays, you need to multiply by four.
[0:35] <ChaseTrains> "ChaseTrains, no you will find that no matter how low you drop the load resistance there is still a finite limit to the current", why is that?
[0:35] <IT_Sean> Or is it three?
[0:36] <IT_Sean> You can only draw so much current through a thing before it goes fzzlpop, ChaseTrains.
[0:37] <plugwash> The details of the behaviour depend on the given power supply but as a first approximation you can think of your power supply as being like an ideal voltage source in series with a resistor
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[0:38] <plugwash> so the maximum current is set by the value of that "equivilent resistance"
[0:38] * [Saint] is surprised no one has broken out the faucet (or, tap, for me fellow UK-En speakers) analogy yet.
[0:38] <xmanmonk> [Saint]: It happened earlier.
[0:38] <[Saint]> AH. :)
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[0:39] <ChaseTrains> IT_Sean: what makes it go giggelypoff? extremely high ampere, extremely low volt with a power equal to 1 watt or something.. why would it puff then?
[0:40] <[Saint]> Foolish mortals. Trying to comprehend something that is _obviously_ witchcraft.
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[0:41] <ShorTie> puff the magic dragon
[0:41] <plugwash> well driving into a short circuit then (assuming no protective devices) the current will be very high. While the voltage delivered to the short circuit will be zero the voltages across components in the PSU will be much higher than normal
[0:41] <[Saint]> There's so many things with electrical flow rate, and amplitude, that just *don't* seem to make any form of sense at all.
[0:41] <[Saint]> At least, at first.
[0:42] <plugwash> combine much higher than normal currents with much higher than normal voltages and the power dissipated in those components will be a heck of a lot higher than normal
[0:42] <plugwash> hence they will get a heck of a lot hotter than normal
[0:42] <plugwash> and quite possiblly go up in smoke
[0:42] <[Saint]> (hopefully, though, it'll just nuke a polymeric fuse)
[0:43] <[Saint]> #welldesignedelectronics101
[0:44] * sutty is now known as sutty\away
[0:44] <[Saint]> But then there's also gap jumping to worry about...
[0:44] <xmanmonk> [Saint]: And quantum tunneling. I hate that.
[0:45] * plugwash recently fixed a BBC master 128 PSU with an open-circuit drain resistor
[0:45] <plugwash> after discovering what the problem was when he got a shock off the unplugged PSU
[0:45] * [Saint] prefers Quantum Leaping.
[0:45] <[Saint]> "Ziggy? Who ami I?!?"
[0:46] <xmanmonk> [Saint]: Ah yes. Way better than quantum tunneling.
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[0:51] <iamjarvo> thanks all
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[1:04] <Boscop> i bought a LED strip that needs 5 V and ~75 W. but i can't find a power supply for that
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[1:05] <xmanmonk> Boscop: 75 Watts? That seems like a bit.
[1:06] <Boscop> xmanmonk: http://www.ebay.com/itm/WS2812B-WS2811-RGB-LED-Strip-5M-150-300-Leds-60LED-M-Individual-Addressable-5V-/231105154168?pt=US_String_Lights_Fairy_Lights&var=&hash=item35cef0cc78
[1:07] <xmanmonk> Boscop: Ah, didn't realize how many LEDs were there.
[1:07] <Boscop> xmanmonk: is my calculation right?
[1:07] <Boscop> i chose 300 leds
[1:07] <Boscop> 5m
[1:08] <pksato> I told other day, Use a ATX PSU to supply 75W@5V. a cheap on $10 to $20.
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[1:08] <xmanmonk> Boscop: Not sure. What are the calculaations.
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[1:11] <Boscop> pksato: i couldn't find one with 5v
[1:13] <pksato> not?
[1:13] <plugwash> most ATX power supplies will do 5V at about 20A and they are probablly about the cheapest way to get that kind of current at 5V
[1:14] <pksato> On earth ATX psu have 5V rails, and 12V and 3v3 to.
[1:14] <Boscop> xmanmonk: i based it on this similar one: http://www.aliexpress.com/item/-/1963741279.html
[1:14] <pksato> black and red wires provide GND and 5V.
[1:15] <iamjarvo> i am editing ~/.config/chromium/Default/Preferences but the settings are not sticking around. is there anther file i should edit?
[1:15] <pksato> to power on ATX PSU, connect on 24pin connector, connect the green wire to black.
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[1:18] <Boscop> pksato: ah, so any ATX psu will do?
[1:18] <ShorTie> 1 of these types of power supplies http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16817170014
[1:18] <pksato> Boscop: yes.
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[1:18] <pksato> cheap 300W PSU.
[1:18] <Boscop> but they pull 300W even if nothing is used?
[1:18] <pksato> no.
[1:19] <Boscop> it needs to be as efficient as possible for portability
[1:19] <Boscop> i have to power the whole system with a car battery
[1:19] <Boscop> for as long as possible
[1:19] <pksato> or a industrial PSU, but cost 10 times more...
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[1:20] <Boscop> pksato: so it only draws as much as needed?
[1:20] <pksato> ah? car battery?
[1:21] <pksato> http://www.ebay.com/itm/DC-DC-Converter-Regulator-12V-Step-Down-to-5V-20A-100W-/130542233965?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item1e64ec696d
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[1:22] <pksato> http://www.ebay.com/itm/12V-to-5V-DC-Buck-Converter-10-14V-to-2-5-5V-15A-Peak-20A-Step-Down-Regulator-/371109014931?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item5667d22d93
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[1:25] <Boscop> pksato: i have to power my whole system with the car battery. it includes a laptop, raspberry pi, external soundcard, arduino and the LED strip. what's the best setup?
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[1:26] <IT_Sean> That lot isn't going to run for long on a car battery.
[1:26] <Squarepy> turn of the LEDs
[1:27] <IT_Sean> The LEDs are the least of your worries.
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[1:29] <pksato> you neet lots of truck battery. Or one of tesla car.
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[1:32] <Boscop> pksato: ok, then let's say i have normal sockets, 230 V, what would be the best setup to power all these devices? it would be good if i could power the pi and the led strip with the same psu
[1:32] <IT_Sean> YOu need a 5v supply for the Pi.
[1:32] <IT_Sean> What's the voltage requirement for the LED strip you want to use?
[1:33] <plugwash> If you need to run off 230V A PC power supply would be ok but probablly less than ideal efficiency wise (modern PC PSUs are optimised for lots of 12V little 5V)
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[1:34] <plugwash> but if you are in a battery setup you are going to be much better off using a converter ike the one pksato linked to go direct from the battery than you are converting up to mains and back down again
[1:34] <IT_Sean> A moden PC PSU will gove you 12v, 7, and 5v, along with a handful of other voltages, depending on the PSU type, such as -12v, 24v, etc...
[1:34] <Boscop> IT_Sean: the led strip also uses 5v, but ~72 watts
[1:35] <SpeedEvil> IT_Sean: It will not give 7, -12, typically
[1:35] <plugwash> no reason you can't run the Pi and the LED strip off the same power supply but i'd want some overcurrent protection in there
[1:35] <Boscop> plugwash: if the whole system is too heavy for a car battery it won't be portable anyway so i will use normal sockets
[1:36] <IT_Sean> SpeedEvil: put a device across the +12 and +5 line,s and you get 7v.
[1:36] <SpeedEvil> Unless you load 5 heavily, you can't draw between 5 and 12
[1:36] <Boscop> plugwash: what kind of overcurrent protection?
[1:37] * plugwash would probablly just use an ordinary fuse rated at 1.5A or so
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[1:46] <[Saint]> Hahahahaha.
[1:46] <[Saint]> "Seeing as how both Batman and Ironman's only real super powers are that they are super rich and very smart, Bill Gates and Steve Jobs sure turned out to be disappointments."
[1:47] <iamjarvo> i am trying to run in kiosk mode but its not running in the 1080 * 1900 mode
[1:48] <iamjarvo> only takes up around half the screen
[1:48] <ShorTie> Gates was just lucky
[1:49] <plugwash> he was lucky but i'm not convinced he was "just" lucky
[1:49] <ShorTie> he was a middle man is all
[1:50] <[Saint]> Flappy Bird guy was "just lucky". Bill actively pursued his "luck", and was, at time, very aggressive about it.
[1:51] <[Saint]> Pretty big difference.
[1:51] <plugwash> for DOS yeah he was just a middle man (promised IBM an OS and then bought a company with a product that would fit the bill) but lets not forget MS made one of the better known basic interpreters already at the time
[1:51] <Squarepy> define luck
[1:52] <[Saint]> hence my quotation marks.
[1:52] <Squarepy> k
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[1:58] <Boscop> pksato: ok, i have the xilence power xp400 from an old computer, how much watts can i draw from all the DC pins?
[1:58] <Boscop> plugwash: on amazon it says this psu has Overload protection, is it the same as overcurrent protection?
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[1:59] <plugwash> It should be marked on it how much currently you can draw at each voltage
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[2:00] <plugwash> <Boscop> plugwash: on amazon it says this psu has Overload protection, is it the same as overcurrent protection? <-- yes but remember the protection in the power supply is intended to protect the power supply
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[2:00] <Boscop> ah, what will happen if i draw too much power?
[2:00] <Boscop> except that not enough can be provided?
[2:00] <Boscop> can it destroy my devices?
[2:00] <plugwash> most likely it will trip out and turn itself off
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[2:02] <plugwash> the problem is if you have a device that is intended to draw 1A (like the Pi) and there is a fault in said device, the PSU will happilly deliver 20A or so into that fault indefinately.
[2:02] <plugwash> and that can make the difference between the faulty device being repairable and the faulty device going up in smoke
[2:03] <Boscop> but that only happens if i modify the pi physically, right?
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[2:11] <steve_rox> holes on B+ too small :-P
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[2:16] <wooter> better do a full recall
[2:17] <steve_rox> eh?
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[2:18] <steve_rox> i ended up makeing it bigger
[2:19] <Boscop> steve_rox: i'm considering buying another pi. can you recommend the B+ ?
[2:20] <Boscop> or does it have any downsides?
[2:20] <steve_rox> hmmmz
[2:20] <steve_rox> the annoyance on the composite thu audio jack
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[2:20] <steve_rox> annoyance of needing micro sd
[2:21] <steve_rox> errm
[2:21] <steve_rox> only thing i can think of as negatives at moment
[2:21] <Boscop> what composite?
[2:21] <steve_rox> for positives im thinking less power consumption more gpio more usb network connector has fancy led on it ;-)
[2:22] <wooter> I'm sure my girlfriend will leave me if I buy 1 more raspberry pi
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[2:22] <steve_rox> composite is the video
[2:22] <steve_rox> how many rpi you got then?
[2:22] <Boscop> steve_rox: which holes are too small?
[2:22] <steve_rox> the mounting holes
[2:23] <steve_rox> i dont know if they are same size as rev2
[2:23] <steve_rox> i just dont rember it being this hard to put the screws thu it
[2:23] <steve_rox> i only had to enlarge the hole a very tiny bit
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[2:26] <plugwash> steve_rox, what size screws did you use?
[2:26] <steve_rox> unfortinately i dont have a tape measure :-P
[2:26] <steve_rox> they were ones i had laying around
[2:26] <plugwash> iirc the holes on the B are designed for M2.5 screws not sure about the B+
[2:26] <steve_rox> screw with nutt on it
[2:27] <steve_rox> well i only had to enlarge it a bit
[2:27] <steve_rox> really slow with drill tho
[2:27] <steve_rox> yay for 12v drills
[2:27] * plugwash would have bought the correct screws rather than trying to enlarge the holes
[2:27] <steve_rox> heh i cant exactly get out at the moment
[2:27] <plugwash> enlarging holes in circuit boards is a good way to destroy stuff
[2:28] <steve_rox> yeah
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[2:29] <steve_rox> ill try start it in a moment hopefully its not dead
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[2:38] <steve_rox> think it still works
[2:38] <steve_rox> vid port is not too acessible to see
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[2:39] <steve_rox> yup its good
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[2:50] * IT_Sean thumps steve_rox
[2:51] <steve_rox> thats not very nice
[2:51] <IT_Sean> Neither is nearly killing raspis
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[2:51] <steve_rox> im not that bad with a drill :-P
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[2:52] <steve_rox> with 12v ones you can control speed and go more carefull
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[3:00] <jnesselr> I'm having a little trouble setting a keyboard up, and it's not listed in the options for which keyboard model I have. I know when I set up an ubuntu server, it can try to automatically detect the settings. Is this possible here? I have already changed "gb" to "us"
[3:02] <lost_soul> jnesselr: it would help if you told us what distribution your using
[3:02] <lost_soul> *you're
[3:03] <jnesselr> Rasbian, sorry, thought I said it… Tried to nail all the info at once, lol
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[3:04] <lost_soul> jnesselr: see if this is of any help http://raspberrypi.stackexchange.com/questions/10060/raspbian-keyboard-layout
[3:04] <lost_soul> jnesselr: no worries, you did very well.. just missed one key thing is all
[3:04] <jnesselr> yeah, no, I mean I've already googled quite a bit.
[3:05] <jnesselr> All of those guides that say to run dpkg-reconfigure assume that you know your model
[3:05] <jnesselr> Same with editing /etc/default/keyboard
[3:05] <jnesselr> Really, I'm looking for a tool that will ask me to press keys that will then identify my keyboard or something close
[3:05] <jnesselr> It's a holtek semiconductor keyboard if that helps
[3:05] <lost_soul> normally all you really need to know is the number of keys 104, 87.. etc, etc.. whether you want a dvorak keyboard layout.. and the locale
[3:06] <lost_soul> my keyboard is so generic it doesn't even have a name on it.. never been a problem setting it up
[3:07] <lost_soul> jnesselr: can you possibly provide a screenshot of the choices you are given?
[3:07] <IT_Sean> You aren't going to get that specific, nor is there a need to. Just configure the correct layout (104 key, QWERTY, US, for example).
[3:07] <lost_soul> yea
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[3:09] <jnesselr> IT_Sean: lost_soul: If that had worked, I wouldn't be here.
[3:09] <jnesselr> It's a 104 key QWERTY, and I thought it was the shift key modifier not working, but some of the regular keys display incorrectly as well
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[3:12] <lost_soul> jnesselr: IT_Sean would be better suited to help you as he's a mod and likely has better hands on experience with Raspbian than I do... but one more thing I can think of is.. by default the layout is set to gb for great britan I believe.. after you changed that and rebooted did you check again to verify the changes were still present?
[3:12] <jnesselr> lost_soul: For example, if I hit the \ key, I get #, and if I hit | (Vertical line), I get ~
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[3:12] <jnesselr> lost_soul: I reloaded the keyboard layout manager, but I haven't done a full reboot
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[3:12] <pksato> jnesselr: whats is you country? keyboad is designed to country?
[3:12] <lost_soul> I personally have only used Raspbian to test some stuff.. normally I use openelec as I use my Pi for media streaming.
[3:13] <jnesselr> pksato: US and yes
[3:14] <pksato> just select USA on menu.
[3:14] <jnesselr> pksato: um. yes. obviously.
[3:14] <pksato> menu of raspi-config
[3:14] <pksato> and, restart.
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[3:16] <jnesselr> I did two full reboots and it configured correctly the second time. I have an adafruit touch screen, and I think the input device didn't like it for some reason. *shrug*
[3:18] <jnesselr> Either way, it's fixed now, thanks everyone. I feel dumb…
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[3:45] <psiphre> hey any/all - i'm having trouble getting my wireless network to show up in openelec on raspbmc.
[3:45] <MY123> psiphre: Does it works on Raspbian ?
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[3:46] <psiphre> i do believe so. let me double check.
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[3:47] <psiphre> yes, it works fine in raspbian.
[3:48] <MY123> psiphre: What does output dmesg about the dongle ?
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[3:48] <psiphre> in raspbian?
[3:49] <MY123> psiphre: The two.
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[3:52] <psiphre> give me a moment, thanks.
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[3:55] <psiphre> oi, there's a lot of output to dmesg.
[3:57] <psiphre> [ 3.204852] smsc95xx 1-1.1:1.0 eth0: register 'smsc95xx' at usb-bcm2708_usb-1.1, smsc95xx USB 2.0 Ethernet, b8:27:eb:f8:17:12 <- is that it?
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[3:58] <psiphre> ah, no, right after that there are several lines.
[3:59] <psiphre> http://pastebin.com/00N5A1E3
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[4:01] <MY123> psiphre: Can you install the realtek-firmware package ?
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[4:01] <psiphre> i don't mind trying. is it an apt package i can use?
[4:02] <MY123> psiphre: Firmware-linux-nonfree package.
[4:02] <MY123> Be sure to enable contrib and nonfree in your source.list.
[4:03] <psiphre> firmware-linux-nonfree is now apt-getting, so i guess it was already there?
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[4:04] <psiphre> it is now finished.
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[4:09] <MY123> psiphre: Reboot and try if it works.
[4:09] <psiphre> ok, i will do this thing. thank you.
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[4:11] <psiphre> i still see zero wireless networks in openelec.
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[4:13] <MY123> psiphre: So it is a general Debian problem, go to #debian and ask about firmwares there.
[4:13] <psiphre> ok thank you
[4:13] <MY123> *raspbmc is Debian (raspbian).
[4:15] <[Saint]> Oooooooh!
[4:16] <[Saint]> My VoCore's arrived!
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[4:16] <[Saint]> teehee - cute 'lil fellas.
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[4:19] <[Saint]> I suspect it to be a lot more polished when it actually hits production.
[4:19] <[Saint]> I'm still not too sure about the nature of these boards existence.
[4:19] <[Saint]> I believe them to be prototypes.
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[4:21] <plugwash> what is the vocore?
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[4:25] <[Saint]> https://www.indiegogo.com/projects/vocore-a-coin-sized-linux-computer-with-wifi#home
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[4:29] <MY123> [Saint]: Too weak CPU.
[4:30] <[Saint]> its a bloody router.
[4:31] <MY123> [Saint]: Router without Ethernet :O
[4:31] <[Saint]> Do you practice being wrong, or does it happen naturally?
[4:33] <binaryhermit> routers don't need that much CPU
[4:33] <MY123> [Saint]: If it had two WiFi interfaces, it would be better ( acting as a repeater).
[4:33] <binaryhermit> a RPi is probably overpowered
[4:36] <[Saint]> In fact, repeaters are probably exactly what I'll use them for once I get the production versions.
[4:36] <binaryhermit> heck, the WRT54g that got OpenWRT started had a 125 MHz CPU and 16 MB of RAM
[4:37] * [Saint] nods
[4:37] * [Saint] still has a bunch of 'em.
[4:37] <MY123> binaryhermit: Yes, but USB is awful on many cheap SoCs ( not bad HW but bad drivers) .
[4:37] <binaryhermit> errm DDWRT
[4:37] <MY123> *awful drivers
[4:37] <plugwash> [Saint], am I right in thinking it has two available ethernet ports?
[4:38] * binaryhermit wonders how MIPS and ARM compare
[4:38] <binaryhermit> like, work done per second per MHz
[4:39] <MY123> binaryhermit: It depends on the generation like ARM v6 and v7.
[4:40] <binaryhermit> well, since I'm thinking how a 360 MHz MIPS compares to a RPi, speed-wise
[4:40] <MY123> binaryhermit: A Longsoon or generic ?
[4:41] <binaryhermit> whatever that VoCore uses
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[4:42] <binaryhermit> seems to be some sort of Ralink chip https://images.indiegogo.com/file_attachments/590685/files/20140519181657-vocore.v0.5.ledgreen.jpg?1400548617
[4:43] <binaryhermit> nevermind, that's a wifi chip
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[4:43] <MY123> binaryhermit: The VoCore soc has many network accelerators. In computation, I expect the Pi to have twice the speed ( 25 times when using the QpU and VPU).
[4:44] <MY123> Not so simple.
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[4:45] <plugwash> but really speed isn't what something like the vocore is about
[4:46] <plugwash> it's about a cheap buildling block that lets you add ethernet and wifi to projects
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[4:46] <MY123> plugwash: Seeing it being a cheap Wifi Adruino shield.
[4:48] <plugwash> In some cases you may not even need the microcontroller
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[5:09] <[Saint]> # Disable built-in status bar
[5:09] <[Saint]> # /* This is practically useless to us on devices of this resolution, assume the
[5:09] <[Saint]> # * host has alternative means of conveying this information to the user for
[5:09] <[Saint]> # * now. */
[5:09] <[Saint]> %wd
[5:09] <[Saint]> # Draw a fullscreen viewport
[5:09] <[Saint]> # /* This is necessary to facillitate drawing into the backdrop buffer at a
[5:09] <[Saint]> # * later stage. */
[5:09] <[Saint]> %V(0,0,-,-,-)
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[5:09] <[Saint]> # Preload our bitmap assets
[5:09] <[Saint]> %xl(OVERFLOW_MENU_HANDLE_FOCUSED,40x60px-Overflow-Menu-Handle-Focused.bmp,0,0)
[5:09] <[Saint]> %xl(OVERFLOW_MENU_HANDLE_UNFOCUSED,40x60px-Overflow-Menu-Handle-Unfocused.bmp,0,0)
[5:10] <[Saint]> %xl(ROCKBOX_LOGO,60x60px-Rockbox-Logo.bmp,0,0)
[5:10] <[Saint]> %xl(FASTFORWARD,96x96px-Fastforward.bmp,32,0)
[5:10] <[Saint]> %xl(NEXT,96x96px-Next.bmp,32,0)
[5:10] <[Saint]> %xl(PAUSE,96x96px-Pause.bmp,32,0)
[5:10] <[Saint]> %xl(PLAY,96x96px-Play.bmp,32,0)
[5:10] <[Saint]> %xl(PREVIOUS,96x96px-Previous.bmp,32,0)
[5:10] <[Saint]> %xl(REWIND,96x96px-Rewind.bmp,32,0)
[5:10] <[Saint]> %xl(STOP,96x96px-Stop.bmp,32,0)
[5:10] <[Saint]> %xl(SCRUBBER_BAR,480x6px-Scrubber-Bar.bmp,0,0)
[5:10] <[Saint]> %xl(SCRUBBER_BAR_BACKDROP,480x6px-Scrubber-Bar-Backdrop.bmp,0,0)
[5:10] <[Saint]> # Preload additional fonts
[5:10] <[Saint]> %Fl(3,20 Ubuntu [Bold].fnt)
[5:10] <[Saint]> %Fl(4,30 Ubuntu [Bold].fnt)
[5:10] <[Saint]> %Fl(5,40 Ubuntu [Bold].fnt)
[5:10] <[Saint]> %Fl(6,50 Ubuntu [Bold].fnt)
[5:10] <[Saint]> # Conditional elements
[5:10] <[Saint]> # /* While we probably could make one giant conditional, lets split them up a
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[5:10] <[Saint]> # * bit for the folks playing along at home. */
[5:10] <[Saint]> # /* Here we check for a variable set by the overflow handle viewports. */
[5:10] <[Saint]> %?vg(OVERFLOW_MENU_STATE)<%Vd(OVERFLOW_MENU_FALSE)|%Vd(OVERFLOW_MENU_TRUE)>
[5:10] <[Saint]> # Header
[5:10] <[Saint]> # /* drawn into the backdrop buffer */
[5:10] <[Saint]> %V(0,0,480,60,-)%Vb(ffc000)%VB
[5:10] <[Saint]> # Header Title
[5:10] <[Saint]> %V(60,10,380,40,5)%Vf(000000)
[5:10] <[Saint]> %alRockbox
[5:10] <[Saint]> # Overflow Menu Handle
[5:11] <[Saint]> # /* Here we define a pair of OVERFLOW_MENU_* sister viewports that we will use
[5:11] <[Saint]> # * to toggle the OVERFLOW_MENU_STATE variable.
[5:11] <[Saint]> %Vl(OVERFLOW_MENU_TRUE,-40,0,40,60,-)
[5:11] <[Saint]> %T(OVERFLOW_HANDLE_FOCUSED,0,0,40,60,none)
[5:11] <[Saint]> %?Tl(OVERFLOW_HANDLE_FOCUSED,0.1)<%vs(OVERFLOW_MENU_STATE,set,1)>
[5:11] <[Saint]> %xd(OVERFLOW_MENU_HANDLE_FOCUSED)
[5:11] <[Saint]> %Vl(OVERFLOW_MENU_FALSE,-40,0,40,60,-)
[5:11] <[Saint]> %T(OVERFLOW_HANDLE_UNFOCUSED,0,0,40,60,none)
[5:11] <[Saint]> %?Tl(OVERFLOW_HANDLE_UNFOCUSED,0.1)<%vs(OVERFLOW_MENU_STATE,set,2)>
[5:11] <[Saint]> %xd(OVERFLOW_MENU_HANDLE_UNFOCUSED)
[5:11] <[Saint]> # Rockbox Logo
[5:11] <[Saint]> # /* Use this as a means to jump back to the main menu from the .wps
[5:11] <[Saint]> # *
[5:11] <[Saint]> # * ...and, it looks pretty. */
[5:11] <[Saint]> %V(0,0,60,60,-)
[5:11] <[Saint]> %T(0,0,60,60,menu)
[5:11] <[Saint]> %xd(ROCKBOX_LOGO)
[5:11] <[Saint]> # Album Art
[5:11] <[Saint]> %V(0,62,480,480,-)
[5:11] <[Saint]> %Cl(0,0,480,480,c,c)
[5:11] <[Saint]> %Cd
[5:11] <[Saint]> # Scrubber
[5:11] <[Saint]> # /* Seprate viewport for scrubber touch element drawn into the backdrop buffer
[5:11] <[Saint]> # * so we don't destroy part of the album art. Do this so we can draw our own
[5:11] <[Saint]> # * much larger touch area for scrubbing, and leave the option of conditional
[5:11] <[Saint]> # * placement open. */
[5:11] <[Saint]> %V(0,517,480,60,-)%VB
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[5:12] <[Saint]> %T(0,0,480,60,progressbar)
[5:12] <[Saint]> %V(0,544,480,6,-)
[5:12] <[Saint]> # /* We have to remember to disable the progress bar's own touch area with the
[5:12] <[Saint]> # * 'notouch' parameter to avoid it conflicting with the one we set earlier. */
[5:12] <[Saint]> %pb(0,0,480,6,SCRUBBER_BAR,backdrop,SCRUBBER_BAR_BACKDROP,notouch)
[5:12] <[Saint]> # Time Elapsed/Remaining
[5:12] <[Saint]> # /* Display the elapsed and remaining track times, as well as a translated,
[5:12] <[Saint]> # * RTL locale aware 'N of N' playlist position counter. */
[5:12] <[Saint]> %V(0,552,480,30,4)
[5:12] <[Saint]> %al %pc%ac%?Sr<%pe %Sx(of) %pp|%pp %Sx(of) %pe>%ar%pr
[5:12] <[Saint]> # Metadata with Album Art
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[5:12] <[Saint]> %V(0,582,480,120,5)
[5:12] <[Saint]> %s%ac%?it<%it|%fn>
[5:12] <[Saint]> %s%ac%?ia<%ia|%?d(2)<%d(2)|%(root%)>>
[5:12] <[Saint]> %s%ac%?id<%id|%?d(1)<%d(1)|%(root%)>>
[5:12] <[Saint]> # Metadata without Album Art
[5:12] <[Saint]> #%Vl(METADATA_WITH_ALBUM_ART,0,62,480,600,5)
[5:12] <[Saint]> #%s%ac%?it<%it|%fn>
[5:12] <[Saint]> #%s%ac%?ia<%ia|%?d(2)<%d(2)|%(root%)>>
[5:12] <[Saint]> #%s%ac%?id<%id|%?d(1)<%d(1)|%(root%)>>
[5:12] <[Saint]> #%ac%?iy<%iy>
[5:12] <[Saint]> #%ac%?ig<%ig>
[5:12] <[Saint]> #
[5:12] <[Saint]> #%ac%fc %fbKb/s
[5:12] <[Saint]> #%ac%Sx(Frequency) %fk
[5:12] <[Saint]> #
[5:12] <[Saint]> #%Sx(Next Track:)
[5:12] <[Saint]> #%s%ac%?iT<%it|%Fn>
[5:13] <[Saint]> #%s%ac%?iA<%iA|%?D(2)<%D(2)|%(root%)>>
[5:13] <[Saint]> #%s%ac%?iD<%iD|%?D(1)<%D(1)|%(root%)>>
[5:13] <[Saint]> #%ac%?Iy<%Iy>
[5:13] <[Saint]> #%ac%?Ig<%Ig>
[5:13] <[Saint]> # Rewind/Previous
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[5:13] <[Saint]> # /* Nothing special here. Tap for the previous track, long press to rewind. */
[5:13] <[Saint]> %V(0,-96,160,96,-)
[5:13] <[Saint]> %T(0,0,160,96,wps_prev)
[5:13] <[Saint]> %T(0,0,160,96,rwd,repeat_press)
[5:13] <[Saint]> %?if(%mp,=,5)<%xd(REWIND)|%xd(PREVIOUS)>
[5:13] <[Saint]> # Pause/Play
[5:13] <[Saint]> # /* Set and check for a PLAY_STATE variable to allow us to always display the
[5:13] <[Saint]> # * correct PAUSE/PLAY state icon when seeking. This is a touch driven
[5:13] <[Saint]> # * interface so remember to the state the user will enter instead of the
[5:13] <[Saint]> # * current state for the PLAY and PAUSE cases. */
[5:13] <[Saint]> %V(160,-96,160,96,-)
[5:13] <[Saint]> %T(0,0,160,96,play)
[5:13] <[Saint]> %T(0,0,160,96,stop,repeat_press)
[5:13] <[Saint]> %?mp<%xd(STOP)|%xd(PAUSE)%vs(PLAY_STATE,set,1)|%xd(PLAY)%vs(PLAY_STATE,set,2)|%?vg(PLAY_STATE)<%xd(PAUSE)|%xd(PLAY)>|%?vg(PLAY_STATE)<%xd(PAUSE)|%xd(PLAY)>>
[5:13] <[Saint]> # Fastforward/Next
[5:13] <[Saint]> # /* Nothing special here. Tap for the next track, long press to fastforward. */
[5:13] <[Saint]> %V(320,-96,160,96,-)
[5:13] <[Saint]> %T(0,0,160,96,wps_next)
[5:13] <[Saint]> %T(0,0,160,96,ffwd,repeat_press)
[5:13] <[Saint]> %?if(%mp,=,4)<%xd(FASTFORWARD)|%xd(NEXT)>
[5:13] <[Saint]> awwwww...crap.
[5:14] <[Saint]> *sorry*
[5:14] * [Saint] hops flood protection helped to mitigate some of that
[5:14] <[Saint]> Oh god.
[5:14] <[Saint]> Apparently not.
[5:16] <pi_user> lol
[5:16] <[Saint]> At least that was only about 1/4 of it. :)
[5:16] <[Saint]> I managed to sever the client before it spat out too much.
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[5:24] <MY123> -- [Saint] is a flooder.
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[5:24] <abnormal> why is that???
[5:25] <MY123> abnormal: You were too late to the party.
[5:25] <MY123> See the logs.
[5:25] <abnormal> I c... pardon me...
[5:26] <abnormal> I don't have the logs...
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[5:27] <MY123> abnormal: They are in the topic.
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[5:32] <abnormal> ok I c it now... lol... and I agree....
[5:33] <abnormal> got my quick start going today... had to download the app...
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[5:47] <almostworking> I have a question, ..... is Arch for rasp. pi, a great deal lighter then raspbian? or better ? thoughts?
[5:48] <plugwash> It depends on what exactly you mean by raspbian
[5:49] <plugwash> a raspbian install and an arch install of similar functionliaty are probablly not all that much different
[5:50] <plugwash> BUT the raspberry pi foundation raspbian image is rather on the large side due to the ammount of software they include in it.
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[5:54] <almostworking> ah, ok ,.....
[5:55] <almostworking> i think that answers my question..... thanx
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[5:55] <almostworking> ive been looking for a hummingboard , but cant find them,
[5:55] <almostworking> :-/
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[5:56] <almostworking> not sure what thats about
[5:58] <plugwash> if you are asking where you can buy the hummingboard then iirc you can buy them direct from soildrun
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[6:03] <Boscop> do you think this pedal is only binary or how many values can it have? http://www.ebay.de/itm/201001582239?_trksid=p2055119.m1438.l2649&ssPageName=STRK%3AMEBIDX%3AIT
[6:07] <almostworking> plugwash: ohhhhhh ok, thank you ...... i was un able to find them at all the vendors they listed on their website.
[6:07] <almostworking> ill just buy direct from them then ( hopefullly wont take long, not based in UK or anything are they? )
[6:07] <almostworking> i could loook it up but if u happen to know
[6:10] <Boscop> how is the hummingboard vs the pi?
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[6:12] <plugwash> more CPU power, more expensive, faster network, no idea how the GPUs compare, GPIO header exists but i've no idea what the software support is like, some models have a MSATA slot for a SSD
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[6:16] <plugwash> From some searching they seem to be in israel......
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[6:41] <almostworking> Boscop: 3 diffent humminboard models
[6:42] <almostworking> models here: http://www.solid-run.com/products/hummingboard/linux-sbc-specifications/
[6:43] <almostworking> gigabit ethernet too, also the ethernet and USB are not on the same bus, like rasp. pi is
[6:43] <almostworking> dual core. etc
[6:43] <almostworking> twice the RAM.
[6:44] <almostworking> digital output ( Spdif) .....
[6:45] <almostworking> so im prob. gonna buy the middle one .
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[6:54] <lacrymology> I don't have a cabled internet, just have my computer which is connected through wifi. Can someone help me set my lappy up so it will share the internet with a raspi connected to it through ethernet?
[6:55] <MY123> lacrymology: Laptop under Microdollar ?
[6:55] <lacrymology> MY123: god no
[6:55] <lacrymology> ubuntu
[6:57] <wooter> Lacriatch: You either follow a guide with lots of commands to type or ive had some success with a app called firestarter
[6:57] <wooter> lacrymology rather !
[6:58] <plugwash> if you use network manager than iirc there is an option in there to set it up
[7:00] <lacrymology> plugwash: yeah, I seem to recall something like that, but I can't find the options
[7:01] <plugwash> I think it's in the configuration for the individual network adaptors but I can't remember which end you have to configure it from
[7:01] <plugwash> i've only used it about once, normally machines that I have acting as routers aren't using wifi or dynamic setup so I don't use network manager on them
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[7:03] <wooter> lacrymology: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FmgMiHuK83E
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[7:10] <wooter> actually that video does it no justice, i just installed the app, ran it, checked a couple boxes, set ip addresses
[7:11] <wooter> ubuntu nic will be gateway address, manually set isp DNS just to be sure
[7:11] <wooter> on the client
[7:17] <lacrymology> wooter: bad beginning: E: Unable to locate package firestarter
[7:18] <lacrymology> don't worry, I can deal with that
[7:18] <wooter> yeah i just notices its not in standard repo's anymore
[7:19] <wooter> oh, i found it in network manager
[7:20] <wooter> i'm on Mint, looks like this https://jeremy.visser.name/2009/03/simple-internet-connection-sharing-with-networkmanager/
[7:20] <lacrymology> wooter: I found "share network", but it doesn't allow me to ssh into it, it's a problem
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[7:21] <wooter> you need a cross over ethernet cable i think
[7:21] <lacrymology> nah, there's no difference between those anymore
[7:22] <wooter> ah k
[7:23] <lacrymology> the problem is that to ssh into it they need to be at the same 'level' of the network, or have a port forwarded. I can't port-forward from network manager, I don't know how to set it up.
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[7:24] <wooter> I would think the network card would be on the same level, as long as its on same subnet
[7:24] <wooter> maybe they have it work differently for security reasons
[7:26] <wooter> could get a cheap usb wifi for raspi
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[7:47] <Boscop> what's the range of voltages that you can output at the GPIO pins?
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[8:02] <flexo_> hm..
[8:02] <flexo_> i'm overclocking my b+ at arm_freq=1000, over_voltage=6, sdram_freq=500 and core_freq=500
[8:03] <flexo_> seems to be running perfectly stable at 100% cpuload for 24h
[8:03] <flexo_> all voltages are contant
[8:03] <flexo_> temperature is now 38 deg cel instead of 36 deg cel without any kind of cooling
[8:04] <flexo_> is this a) curious and b) advisable?
[8:04] <flexo_> (my b crashed regulary at anything above 800 with active cooling...)
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[8:07] <flexo_> only thing i noticed is that the red light goes out when i plug in a hmdi=>vga=>monitor... which i read suggests voltage problems?
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[8:07] <flexo_> (happens without overclocking too. might be that the hdmi=>vga converter isn't quite... hdmi-compatible)
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[8:16] <Technicus> Hello has anyone here tried connecting a GSM module to a Raspberry Pi, then to the T-mobile network? I have the Adafruit Fona following: < https://learn.adafruit.com/adafruit-fona-mini-gsm-gprs-cellular-phone-module/wiring-to-usb > and < https://learn.adafruit.com/fona-tethering-to-raspberry-pi-or-beaglebone-black/usage >. I have a T-Mobile SIM card installed, power and serial communication work.
[8:17] <Technicus> . . . but the module is not able to connect to the network.
[8:17] <Technicus> This is a beta release so the documentation is limited.
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[8:59] <flexo_> hah. got it working
[9:00] <gordonDrogon> morning.
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[9:00] <flexo_> in a loop i do curl -L someurl.com | grep -q hotspot
[9:00] <flexo_> if $? == 0 i start chromium inside an xvfb
[9:00] <flexo_> to some url
[9:00] <gordonDrogon> flexo_, temp is fine - it's good to 85C
[9:01] <flexo_> a userscript fills in the username and password and connects
[9:01] <gordonDrogon> flexo_, and above that it will underclock itself anyway.
[9:01] <flexo_> gordonDrogon: what about damage to the SoC...
[9:01] <flexo_> will 1ghz harm it?
[9:01] <gordonDrogon> flexo_, it'll shorten its life span - I think I read something like from 35 years to 25 ...
[9:02] <flexo_> so if it's stable i should definitely run it at 1ghz then ;)
[9:02] <gordonDrogon> flexo_, if your red power light goes out, then your power supply needs upgrading.
[9:02] <flexo_> (and add heat sinks and active cooling as i always do)
[9:02] <gordonDrogon> it goes out at 4.6v.
[9:02] <flexo_> i really really like the b+
[9:03] <flexo_> this feels like production quality this time
[9:03] <flexo_> i guess i
[9:03] <flexo_> 'll set 1ghz and let it mine some litecoins for some weeks and see what happens
[9:03] <flexo_> anyway
[9:04] <flexo_> i should have left for work an hour ago
[9:04] <flexo_> really gtg now ;)
[9:04] <gordonDrogon> flexo_, you can't build 3 million B's and not say they're "production quality" though.
[9:04] <flexo_> cheers :)
[9:04] <flexo_> gordonDrogon: well...
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[9:04] <flexo_> gordonDrogon: overclocking made them freeze
[9:04] <flexo_> they had serious voltage issues if attached usb stuff didn't behave nicely
[9:04] <gordonDrogon> maybe - but they're designed to run at 700.
[9:05] <gordonDrogon> the sub voltage is well understood and you have a dodgy PSU - the type of dodgy PSU we've been warning people about all these years.
[9:05] <gordonDrogon> your psu really shouldn't dip to < 4.6v with an hdmi dongle.
[9:05] <flexo_> okay
[9:05] <flexo_> but
[9:05] <flexo_> really gtg now
[9:05] <flexo_> ;)
[9:05] <gordonDrogon> enjoy :)
[9:06] <flexo_> i'll look into a proper psu
[9:06] <flexo_> currently it's just a usb charge thingie with 2A output
[9:06] <flexo_> (and the b+ is happy with it!)
[9:06] <flexo_> anyway! GTG! ;)
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[9:26] <lacrymology> I've got a freshly installed raspbian
[9:26] <lacrymology> will it try to connect through dhcp?
[9:26] <lacrymology> and will I be able to ssh into it?
[9:26] <SirLagz> it will try to get an IP address via DHCP
[9:26] <SirLagz> and yes, you'll be able to ssh in
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[9:29] <lacrymology> sorry
[9:29] <lacrymology> I got that it'll try to connect
[9:29] <lacrymology> will it work if the cable is connected AFTER the pi boots?
[9:29] <SirLagz> should do
[9:29] <lacrymology> because I'm looking at the router and it's got no other clients
[9:29] <lacrymology> at the dhcp bits
[9:29] <lacrymology> leases
[9:30] <SirLagz> i dont remember if raspbian comes with the ifplugd daemon...
[9:30] <SirLagz> reboot it and see if it gets a IP ?
[9:31] <lacrymology> I did that
[9:31] <lacrymology> doesn't seem to be working
[9:31] <lacrymology> =/
[9:31] <SirLagz> lights on on the pi ?
[9:31] <lacrymology> SirLagz: everything is on, no blinking
[9:32] <SirLagz> this is the point where i'd plug a screen in.
[9:32] <lacrymology> SirLagz: are those lights normal?
[9:32] <lacrymology> I can't, don't have one, don't have cable
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[9:32] <SirLagz> do you have a B+ ?
[9:33] <lacrymology> i.. don't know?
[9:33] <SirLagz> lacrymology: yeah all lights on no blinking should be fine
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[9:33] <SirLagz> lacrymology: 4 usb ports or 2 ?
[9:33] <lacrymology> SirLagz: 2. If I unplug the eth cable only the power light stays on
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[9:33] <SirLagz> lacrymology: ok
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[9:34] <SirLagz> lacrymology: dont have a crappy composite ( yellow plug ) cable to plug into any tv ?
[9:34] <lacrymology> SirLagz: I live in hotels, I own very few objects. None of them is a composite cable =/
[9:34] <SirLagz> damn
[9:35] <lacrymology> hm
[9:35] <lacrymology> I can plug the sd in my computer and look at the logs
[9:35] <SirLagz> lets do that
[9:36] <lacrymology> hm
[9:37] <lacrymology> can't find anything that looks useful
[9:37] <lacrymology> there's no syslog, dmesg is empty..
[9:37] <SirLagz> maybe its not even booting...
[9:37] <lacrymology> yeah
[9:37] <lacrymology> I'll flash the card again
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[9:38] <SirLagz> kk gl !
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[9:53] <lacrymology> how long can I expect the rpi to take for booting?
[9:53] <lacrymology> 1 minute should be plenty, right?
[9:54] <SirLagz> yep
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[9:56] <lacrymology> ok, there's some logs
[9:56] <SirLagz> yay
[9:57] <lacrymology> oh, what's the default username/password?
[9:57] <SirLagz> no idea anymore lol...
[9:57] <SirLagz> pi / raspberry
[9:57] <SirLagz> used to be
[9:57] <lacrymology> pi/raspberry it is
[9:57] <lacrymology> and I'm ssh'd!
[9:58] <lacrymology> woot!
[9:58] <SirLagz> nice!
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[10:01] <lacrymology> wtf
[10:01] <lacrymology> I just tried to sudo -i and I got a config tool
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[10:01] <SirLagz> lol
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[10:02] <lacrymology> well, ok, it looks like I'm up and rolling
[10:02] <SirLagz> root user is set up to run that once on first start
[10:02] <lacrymology> goan make meself a cloud server
[10:02] <SirLagz> have fun !
[10:02] <SirLagz> going to use owncloud ?
[10:03] <lacrymology> yeah, I think so
[10:03] <SirLagz> cool
[10:03] <lacrymology> mostly I want a file server and if possible audo/video streaming
[10:03] <lacrymology> so I don't have to move my portable hard drive around
[10:03] <SirLagz> minidlna will do your streaming
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[10:04] <lacrymology> SirLagz: does that have anything to do with ownCloud?
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[10:05] <lacrymology> looks like no
[10:05] <lacrymology> SirLagz: do I want a DLNA server?
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[10:05] <SirLagz> it streams things
[10:05] <lacrymology> yeah, but I don't have TVs to connect to it
[10:05] <SirLagz> so file on the Pi could be streamed to a device
[10:06] <lacrymology> I'm sure vlc knows how to behave as a DLNA client
[10:06] <SirLagz> doesnt have to be a tv
[10:06] <SirLagz> could be vlc
[10:06] <SirLagz> or an android mobile
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[10:08] <lacrymology> SirLagz: I was about to follow this thing, modifying a couple of things (such as who the hell uses mysql?)
[10:08] <lacrymology> http://www.instructables.com/id/Ultimate-Pi-Based-Home-Server/step13/My-SQL/
[10:08] <lacrymology> hm, forget the /step13* bit
[10:09] <PunIntended> lacrymology: PostgesSQL is better.
[10:09] <SirLagz> I wouldn't bother if all you're going to do is stream from it and use it as a fileserver
[10:09] <SirLagz> but that's me.
[10:09] <lacrymology> yeah, I know.
[10:09] <lacrymology> I'm a programmer, actually, and I deal a lot with databases. Am opinionated about it
[10:10] <SirLagz> lacrymology: do you think MySQL or PGSQL is better then ? I'm curious.
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[10:10] <lacrymology> postgres is superior, and safer
[10:10] <lacrymology> I mean
[10:10] <lacrymology> very BIG people use MySQL, and I'm sure they know what they're doing
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[10:11] <lacrymology> youtube and other google services, and facebook are based on MySQL
[10:11] <lacrymology> I think it can be very fast
[10:11] <PunIntended> lacrymology: Abd are migrating to MariaDB.
[10:11] <lacrymology> and I'm guessig there's something about ease of clustering
[10:11] <PunIntended> *and
[10:12] <SirLagz> I've always just used MySQL because that's what I've been used to
[10:12] <SirLagz> but I've started using PGSQL
[10:12] <SirLagz> not that I have any projects that currently use a database
[10:12] <SirLagz> but i will soon
[10:13] <lacrymology> SirLagz: there's a lot of problems with mysql, there's no data security, just for an example, you can ignore non-null non-default fields and it'll fill in zero (or emtpy string) automatically
[10:13] <PunIntended> lacrymology: No, the commercial version is way better than the community one in MySQL.
[10:13] <PunIntended> They just paid Oracle.
[10:13] <SirLagz> lacrymology: data security as in ?
[10:13] <lacrymology> SirLagz: as in data becoming what you expect it to be.
[10:14] <lacrymology> SirLagz: failures when you try to put numbers inside of strings, or viceversa
[10:14] <SirLagz> as in, it lets you do that ?
[10:14] <lacrymology> SirLagz: if you insert "foo" inside a number column in mysql, you get a 0
[10:14] <SirLagz> ah right
[10:14] <lacrymology> in pg you get a failure
[10:14] <SirLagz> I see
[10:14] <lacrymology> that sort of thing, mostly
[10:14] <SirLagz> makes sense
[10:15] <lacrymology> well used they're about the same thing, and I'm sure that if google chooses it, they must have good reason
[10:15] <PunIntended> lacrymology: And MSSQL is one of the worst.
[10:15] <SirLagz> PGSQL also had some nifty backup featurest hat I don't remember the name of lol
[10:15] <lacrymology> but unless you're a top-team of DB ingeneers and expect your projects to have 100M users, pg will save you a lot of headaches
[10:16] <lacrymology> PunIntended: do you know the main differences in Maria?
[10:16] <ChaseTrains> how does 3mA/5V differ from 1mA/5V? I know that these currents have different powers.. but what does that actually mean? Are each electron carrying more "kenetic" energy or more charge perhaps?
[10:16] <ChaseTrains> SirLagz: you sire, are lagging.
[10:16] <lacrymology> I've seen it around, am even using it in dev servers for a mysql project I'm working on, but I'm not on te admin side of things, no idea why they chose them
[10:16] <SirLagz> ChaseTrains: always am :P
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[10:17] <PunIntended> lacrymology: Have an ETL , database-in-mem capablity and very optimised.
[10:17] <lacrymology> ChaseTrains: I'm no electrical ingeneer, and I think this is more of a metaphor than the real thing, but more A means MORE electrons
[10:18] <lacrymology> ChaseTrains: ampers is the unit used to measure 'current', voltage is potential difference, so "ampers" are "amount" and "volts" is sort of like "pressure" or "speed" if that makes any sense
[10:19] <lacrymology> engineer
[10:20] <PunIntended> If you have any combination of two values from the list: volt, watt,ampers, you can have the third.
[10:20] <lacrymology> that being said, I don't think there're actual electrons traveling across your cables, I think it's more about vibrations or some such thing
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[10:25] <ChaseTrains> lacrymology: true. It's charges that travels, and charges can travel in many ways.
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[10:27] <ChaseTrains> 1 ampere corresponds to the total charge of 1 mole of electrons. Those charges may travel trough "holes", as electrons [not fully sure about that one though] or any of the other complicated ways that charges can travel.
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[10:29] <shiftplusone> ChaseTrains, you're still on about that? >_<
[10:30] <SirLagz> shiftplusone: is this a common topic or something ? lol
[10:30] <ChaseTrains> shiftplusone: just trying to put the last pieces together :D
[10:30] <shiftplusone> Nuh, we were discussing it yesterday. I woke up, came to work and see that it's still going.
[10:31] <SirLagz> haha
[10:31] <shiftplusone> so in my mind, he was here all night talking about electrons
[10:31] <ChaseTrains> =D I went to bed though and just woke up
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[10:35] <shiftplusone> that's less interesting
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[10:40] <Lope> my raspi-config doesn't have a change_timezone option. I've got the latest raspbian image and I've done a dist-upgrade
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[10:43] <shiftplusone> yes it does
[10:43] <shiftplusone> did you look at localization options?
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[10:48] <ChaseTrains> Oh, so voltage IS pressure (a tight bunch of negative charges that's repelling each other). As a current pass trough a lamp, that pressure is converted to light somehow while _losing_charge_, and the pressure 'after' the light is less?
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[10:57] <SpeedEvil> The charge is not lost.
[10:57] <SpeedEvil> Charge is conserved
[10:58] <SpeedEvil> Think of it as a flow from high to low pressure in a sealed pipe circuit
[10:58] <SpeedEvil> Think of the light as a little turbine that converts flow into light
[10:58] <SpeedEvil> (well, heat)
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[10:58] <SirLagz> both !
[10:59] <shiftplusone> or better yet, don't think about it >.>
[11:00] <SirLagz> haha
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[11:30] <ChaseTrains> the pressure after the turbine is lower than that before it. If you add another turbine after the first turbine, pressure builds up after the first turbine causing the pressure difference between input and the first turbine to drop, and that pressure building up between turbine 1 and 2 .. causes a pressure difference between what's before and after turbine 2
[11:30] <gordonDrogon> are you sure this is the best channel to be asking all this in?
[11:31] <ChaseTrains> :D not necessarily
[11:31] <MY123> Are you sure that Freenode is the best network to ask this question in ?
[11:32] <ChaseTrains> the best one I know of, yes :D
[11:32] <ChaseTrains> it's a pretty good place to ask things on
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[11:33] <MY123> ChaseTrains: Read Freenode rules. It is about SW and HW not physics.
[11:33] <MY123> Maybe a #raspberrypi-offtopic channel should be created ?
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[11:40] <shiftplusone> I disagree and think that such discussion is very relevant here
[11:40] <shiftplusone> we don't mind off-topic as long as it doesn't interfere with legitimate questions
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[11:49] <gordonDrogon> a-ha. just powered up my gerduino and checked the clock - it's lost 5 minutes in about 6 months. that's ok, I guess.
[11:49] <gordonDrogon> anyone here with a Gertduino?
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[11:54] <Boscop> if i have 12V and 18A, i need 9kOhm to get 12V with 2mAh, right?
[11:55] <gordonDrogon> Boscop, er, not really. What is it that you're connecting to the 12v supply?
[11:55] <MY123> Boscop: 2 mAh ??? It's useless.
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[11:55] <Boscop> i want to use it for tDCS
[11:55] <gordonDrogon> MY123, you don't know his application - it might be just right for him.
[11:55] <Boscop> gordonDrogon: why not really?
[11:56] <Boscop> i want to get 2mAh
[11:56] <gordonDrogon> Boscop, it will drop the voltage.
[11:56] <Boscop> gordonDrogon: how to not drop the voltage?
[11:56] <gordonDrogon> Boscop, this tdcs: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Transcranial_direct-current_stimulation ?
[11:56] <Boscop> yes
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[11:57] <Boscop> my psu has 12V with 15A. is there a way to get 18V, 2mAh?
[11:57] <gordonDrogon> start with Ohms law: V = IR
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[11:57] <MY123> Boscop: You are confusing Wh and W.
[11:58] <Boscop> yes, but how will voltage and amperage change in rleation if i increase the resistance?
[11:58] <Lope> what is the purpose of gid 12 here? tmpfs /var/spool/mqueue tmpfs defaults,noatime,nosuid,mode=0700,gid=12,size=30m 0 0 when I look at my /etc/passwd file the only thing with a number 12 is the man user (for manuals)
[11:58] <Boscop> MY123: no?
[11:58] <Boscop> MY123: i meant mA
[11:59] <MY123> Boscop: If you increase the resistance and consuming the same current, the voltage will be lower.
[12:00] <Boscop> on the electrodes that i put on my head there should be only 2 mA
[12:00] <Boscop> so i need 7500 Ohm to get 2mA out of 15A?
[12:01] <MY123> Boscop: If your powersupply can deliver 1A , it can deliver 1mA without any modification or resistors.
[12:02] <Boscop> MY123: sure, but i need to limit it before it goes into my head
[12:02] <Boscop> because my head closes the circuit
[12:02] <Boscop> more than 2mA is dangerous
[12:03] <MY123> Boscop: There is a device called current limiter or polyfuse out here.
[12:03] <Lope> Ok I sorted out my above question.
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[12:04] <Lope> how can I install hexchat on raspbian? xchat is a bit crappy in comparison.
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[12:06] <Boscop> MY123: i can't find one with such low amperage
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[12:07] <pepijndevos_> How can I use asyncio on Raspbian?
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[12:07] <Boscop> how can i reduce the amperage without increasing the voltage?
[12:07] <pepijndevos_> (Python 3.3)
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[12:15] <ShorTie> read up on series and parallel circuits, 1 is a voltage divider and 1 is a current divider
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[12:18] <shiftplusone> Boscop, I don't think you have any business closing circuits with your head
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[12:27] <ChaseTrains> what's the difference between a loop and a circuit?
[12:27] <ShorTie> nothing, a circuit is a loop
[12:30] <ChaseTrains> so there's a loop between heaven and earth when a thunder occurs, but it's a one-way loop (charges move from heaven to earth.. they even out)?
[12:32] <ShorTie> i believe not thunder, now lighting is a different thing
[12:32] <Boscop> shiftplusone: why?
[12:33] <ShorTie> and there is 3 forms of lighting if i remember correctly
[12:33] <ShorTie> Boscop, maybe cause we don't want you to hurt yourself ??
[12:34] <Boscop> ShorTie: i don't want that either. i want to improve my brain function
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[12:34] <Lope> how can I install hexchat on raspbian? (xchat is a bit crappy in comparison.)
[12:35] <pi_user> sudo apt-get install hexchat
[12:37] <gordonDrogon> there isn't a hexchat in the raspbian packages - it needs to be installed from source.
[12:37] <shiftplusone> Boscop, improve your brain function first, THEN connect electrodes to it.
[12:38] <shiftplusone> (if the urge is still there)
[12:38] <ChaseTrains> it amazes me how little electronic guys knows about physics O_o. For example, they seem to believe that what's causing the circuit always have to be from the same "source" so to speak; the reason that's the case for batteries are pure chemical (the battery needs its electrons back so it can keep reacting chemically and keep up the potential difference). In reality, you can have a (constantly) negative side on earth
[12:38] <ChaseTrains> and a relatively (constantly) positive charge on mars, and pull a one-way wire between them and have a current, without any "feedback" between the 'poles'. How you keep them (dis)charged is trivial problem.
[12:38] <pi_user> sudo apt-get install hexchat ; download the file, unzip it, and read the readme in it, it will tell you how to install it
[12:39] <pi_user> loope sri skip that sudo stuff
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[12:40] <shiftplusone> ChaseTrains, heard of static discharge?
[12:42] <ChaseTrains> shiftplusone: yes. That's a discharge by definition. But what if you can keep one side deprived of charge, and the other fed with charge? Is it still a discharge?
[12:42] <shiftplusone> how do you intend to do that?
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[12:43] <ChaseTrains> battery need to have its electrons back so that it can react chemically and cause a further potential imbalance.
[12:44] <ChaseTrains> shiftplusone: well, on one side I'll have a huge planet of cats that's dragging their bodies against a huge blanket.
[12:44] <ChaseTrains> on the other side, I'll have a huge iron block deprived of electrons.
[12:44] <ChaseTrains> Eventually, you'll "run out of energy" just like with any battery. But no "feedback loop" is needed.
[12:44] <shiftplusone> what's that thing called that has a belt and a dome and a zappy rod and it all makes your hair stand up?
[12:45] <shiftplusone> I forget the name... but that's what you're talking about
[12:45] <ChaseTrains> yeah :). Can you run a raspberry pi with one of those, as if it were a normal current?
[12:45] <shiftplusone> no
[12:46] <ChaseTrains> :o why not?
[12:46] <shiftplusone> you'd generate a massive voltage, but basically no current
[12:47] <shiftplusone> and you can't keep scraping off electrons forever either
[12:47] <ShorTie> it takes voltage to jump a air gap, not so much current
[12:47] <ChaseTrains> what does that mean? doesn't voltage V imply current I, give the resistance R (raspberry pi circuit)
[12:47] <shiftplusone> also why you do go into cardiac arrest every time you get zapped by static
[12:48] <shiftplusone> *don't
[12:48] <shiftplusone> think of it as having very little power
[12:48] <shiftplusone> but a large voltage
[12:48] <Lope> since when is this #electronics-for-beginners ?
[12:49] <shiftplusone> Lope, since last night
[12:49] <ChaseTrains> P=I*V .. and I=V/R
[12:49] <ChaseTrains> so shouldn't a huge voltage from cat, over a really small resistor cause a huge I?
[12:49] <shiftplusone> anyway... back to work
[12:50] <shiftplusone> ChaseTrains, nope. Small resistors are used to protect from cat voltages, in fact.
[12:50] <shiftplusone> afk
[12:50] <shiftplusone> or rather keyboarding elsewhere
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[12:53] <ChaseTrains> k thanks
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[14:23] <ChaseTrains> if you have a battery with no inner resistor, the volts over poles of the battery are simply the only thing that matters as a measure of its output? We're not talking about amps or anything else then (other than that the battery only can deliver so much amps due to chemical reasons)? :3
[14:24] <SpeedEvil> Is this a theoretical question?
[14:24] <SpeedEvil> There are no batteries without internal resistances
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[14:26] <ShorTie> ya, never saw a battery with a 'inner resistor' .. :/~
[14:27] <toomin> Batteries have internal resistance.
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[14:28] <pksato> internal resistance is a inherent resistence of battery or other generator.
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[14:30] <ChaseTrains> I'll rephrase that :p. what does it mean for a battery to have 9v?
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[14:41] <ShadowJK> ChaseTrains; it's not exactly defined
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[14:43] <ShadowJK> oh I see you're discussing it n ##electronics already, oops :)
[14:44] <ShorTie> means it has the potenial to deliver 9vdc, it could be more (new), or it could be less (used), but it all depends on your current draw
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[14:52] <mpajor> raspberry pi rev 2 - would that be the B+ model?
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[14:55] * ShorTie wonders good ?, rev 2+ or 3
[14:55] <ShorTie> i would want more specifics if your buying
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[14:57] <shiftplusone> mpajor, nope, B+ is a separate model
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[15:04] <mpajor> shiftplusone: OK, the latest one would be B+, am I right?
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[15:04] <shiftplusone> yes sir
[15:04] <Encrypt> Hi o/
[15:04] <shiftplusone> hey
[15:04] <Encrypt> I've already talked about that here...
[15:05] <Encrypt> But has anyone tried using the Pi as a remote screen?
[15:06] <Encrypt> I'd like to be able to have a kind of second screen on my TV
[15:06] <Encrypt> To show family photos and why not stream youtube videos there
[15:07] <Encrypt> (When I have stuff to show to friends :p)
[15:08] <Encrypt> But actually, I don't know what I can expect in terms of fluidity
[15:09] <ShorTie> you mean like picture in picture, or a whole other screen ??
[15:09] <Encrypt> Either duplicate the computer screen on the TV
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[15:09] <Encrypt> Or use it as a "second screen" which will be considered as so by the computer
[15:09] <pksato> x11vnc and vncview.
[15:10] * ShorTie still cornfuzed
[15:10] <Encrypt> You know, the same way when you plug a videoprojector to your computer
[15:10] <SpeedEvil> The pi is very, very low perfomance video-wise.
[15:10] <SpeedEvil> Unless it's properly encoded
[15:10] <gordonDrogon> aarg. read that as velocoraptor... was thinging ... aargh ..
[15:11] <Encrypt> Well, I know that the pi is able to decode really fast
[15:11] <Encrypt> I understood that it has a really hgh video resolution
[15:11] <Encrypt> high*
[15:12] <Encrypt> But that wouldn't be that good through the network?
[15:12] <pksato> also, you can use ffmpeg to capture screen, encode as H264 and send to RPi.
[15:12] <SpeedEvil> It relies on the encoding being right
[15:12] <SpeedEvil> vnc won't do it
[15:12] <Encrypt> Yes
[15:12] <Encrypt> I can use anything :p
[15:12] <Encrypt> The other computer is running Ubuntu
[15:12] <Encrypt> So that would be "linux to linux"
[15:13] <gordonDrogon> nfs mount the ubuntu on the Pi and off you go?
[15:13] <Encrypt> SpeedEvil, I also believed that vlc would be slow
[15:13] <Encrypt> Hum
[15:13] <Encrypt> Got to check what nfs does
[15:14] <gordonDrogon> mounts disks on one computer on another.
[15:14] <Encrypt> But that's only for files, right?
[15:14] <gordonDrogon> yes - ah, right - you're streaming from other sources?
[15:14] <pksato> Encrypt: like a photo frame?
[15:14] <Encrypt> What I'd like would be to have the computer screen on my TV
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[15:14] <Encrypt> Imagine I have a diaporama with family photos
[15:14] <SpeedEvil> Lag can be a real problem
[15:15] <gordonDrogon> move computer to TV ... (low tec solution!)
[15:15] <SirLagz> Am I a problem ?
[15:15] <Encrypt> I could duplicate the diaporama on the TV
[15:15] <Encrypt> SpeedEvil, About lag...
[15:15] <SpeedEvil> SirLagz: yes
[15:15] <SirLagz> SpeedEvil: aww :(
[15:15] <Encrypt> The two would be directly connected thanks to ethernet
[15:15] <pksato> or use one of these HDMI to "youtube" converter.
[15:15] <pksato> used om gamming.
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[15:19] <magnulu> hello! are there any distros for the raspberry with a built in ssh server upon boot?
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[15:19] <SirLagz> magnulu: most of them
[15:19] <Encrypt> magnulu, RAspbian
[15:19] <magnulu> I am on vacation, not available to connect my pi to a display, have no usb keyboard etc....
[15:19] <magnulu> ok, thank you folks :)
[15:20] <magnulu> default login for raspbian?
[15:20] <SirLagz> pi/raspberry probably
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[15:20] <SirLagz> the docos should specify it
[15:20] <magnulu> sure, just lazy! :) thanks again
[15:20] <gordonDrogon> magnulu, it will need a dhcp server somwehre on the network though.
[15:21] <magnulu> gordonDrogon: no problem there..
[15:22] <gordonDrogon> magnulu, then off you go - get Raspbian (not noobs) and plug it all in & turn it on..
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[15:23] <magnulu> I'll give it a shot
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[15:24] <Encrypt> SpeedEvil, pksato, Somebody succeeded in doing so using Windows
[15:24] <Encrypt> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3HJuHhiXxuE
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[15:24] <Encrypt> That's not that laggy
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[15:28] <lacrymology> I'm getting this, is there an automated way to fix it?
[15:28] <lacrymology> perl: warning: Please check that your locale settings: LANGUAGE = (unset), LC_ALL = (unset),
[15:29] <pksato> Encrypt: HW assisted encoding and decoding.
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[15:31] <pksato> It like my ffmpeg idea.
[15:32] <Encrypt> Yes, that sound to be the solution
[15:32] <Encrypt> sounds*
[15:32] <lacrymology> last time I checked, free video libraries were quite behind in that field. Even ffmpeg.
[15:32] <lacrymology> has it gotten better?
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[15:33] <SirLagz> Encrypt: what are you trying to do ?
[15:33] <Encrypt> SirLagz, Have my computer screen on the TV
[15:33] <SirLagz> ah
[15:33] <Encrypt> Thanks to the Raspberry Pi
[15:33] <Encrypt> (if possible)
[15:34] <Encrypt> SirLagz, And my computer is running Ubuntu
[15:34] <Encrypt> So any cool Linux tool could be used :P
[15:34] <SirLagz> lol
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[15:35] <SirLagz> I remember someone playing X-Com Enemy Unknown on the Pi on a TV
[15:35] <SirLagz> but that was with Windows being the computer, not Ubuntu
[15:36] <Encrypt> Well, i'm sure that's totzally doable
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[15:36] <Encrypt> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M7daZik5YCM
[15:36] <Encrypt> Have a look...
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[15:36] <Encrypt> 3x3 screens with a raspberry Pi on each
[15:36] <Encrypt> And one to control them all
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[15:36] <SirLagz> whoa nice
[15:36] <SirLagz> that looks amazing
[15:37] <Encrypt> Yeah :P
[15:37] <SirLagz> i noticed a tinay delay a 1:15 in the video, but apart from that it's pretty seamless
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[15:44] <lacrymology> SirLagz: how do you do that?
[15:44] <lacrymology> I mean, getting the computer input into the pi
[15:44] <lacrymology> output
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[15:46] <SirLagz> lacrymology: do what now ?
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[15:49] <Encrypt> SirLagz, https://coderwall.com/p/xll1aa
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[15:50] <lacrymology> SirLagz: play a game on the computer and show it in the telly via the raspi
[15:51] <SirLagz> lacrymology: ah, that was done via nVidias display mirroring thingo
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[15:55] <lacrymology> SirLagz: it sends framebuffers over the network, or what?
[15:55] <SirLagz> lacrymology: I'm not sure exactly how it works
[15:56] <lacrymology> ok, I'll look it up
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[15:56] <lacrymology> SirLagz: but let me get this straight: the only connection between the PC and the Pi was the network?
[15:57] <SirLagz> lacrymology: yep
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[15:57] <lacrymology> 'mazing
[15:57] <lacrymology> wouldn't think there was enough bandwidth in the world
[15:57] <SirLagz> lacrymology: haha yeah, it's pretty amazing
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[15:58] <lacrymology> ah
[15:58] <lacrymology> right
[15:58] <lacrymology> vlc can actually do that
[15:58] <lacrymology> SirLagz: I guess that was ethernet, right?
[15:58] <SirLagz> lacrymology: don't remember. someone else was doing it, i think it was over ethernet
[15:59] <SirLagz> lacrymology: they were playing a directX game on the Pi
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[18:22] <ChaseTrains> in the end, from an isolated component's view, it's only the provided volts that matters?
[18:22] <ChaseTrains> (oh and that the source can sustain the required amperes)
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[18:23] <shiftplusone> no
[18:23] <shiftplusone> too much current and things melt... so it matters.
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[18:25] <ChaseTrains> but it's the load that defines the current, isn't it?
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[18:30] <shiftplusone> apply that to an LED
[18:30] <shiftplusone> what's the resistance of an LED?
[18:30] <gordonDrogon> it's a combination of the voltage and load resistance that determines the current. Have you not learned Ohms Laws yet?
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[18:34] <gordonDrogon> or inductive or capacitive loads...
[18:35] <ChaseTrains> shiftplusone: doesn't LED change its resistance so that the voltage in the circuits drops to 1.8?
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[18:39] <SpeedEvil> ChaseTrains: You should probably go to ##electronics - and read the first couple of pages of the book in the topic
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[18:42] <faLUCE> hello, is the cpu of a google nexus 7 or 10 more fast and powerful than the cpu of a raspberry pi?
[18:43] <Encrypt> Sure :P
[18:43] <faLUCE> Encrypt: why?
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[18:44] <Encrypt> Because it's an NVidia-Tegra
[18:44] <lost_soul> faLUCE: it's not a matter of why, simply look up the specs and you'll see it is faster
[18:44] <faLUCE> but does the pi consumes less than the hw of a nexus 7?
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[18:45] <lost_soul> power wise.. that would be hard to say (I believe) since you just charge the nexus and run it... the pi needs to be constantly powered
[18:45] <lost_soul> er, well the nexus does too.. but it is done via battery
[18:46] <ChaseTrains> SpeedEvil: k
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[18:56] <slv> my friend had a question and i'm curious if anyone has insight
[18:56] <slv> "Anyone know the longevity of Raspberry Pis? Any known hardware fail rates (if any)? or possible ways they might fail? Think 5+ YEARS on. Thanks!"
[18:57] <IT_Sean> Nope.
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[18:57] <IT_Sean> 5+ years should not be an issue, barring severe temperature changes, mistreatment, or environmental issues such as severe moisture.
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[19:05] <slv> Thanks IT_Sean, will pass that along
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[19:19] <ChaseTrains> if I plug in 4x devices in my raspberry pi, each requiring 200mA.. do I have to supply my raspberry pi with at least 4x200mA then, or just 800mA? (CPU and others neglected here)
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[19:22] <shiftplusone> ChaseTrains, was on my way home, but I'm sure somebody in ##electronics explained it
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[19:24] <ChaseTrains> :P
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[19:28] <ChaseTrains> so I need to get an external adapter then..
[19:29] <ChaseTrains> I thought you could connect the RaPi to your computer or something
[19:30] <crumb> you can do headerless over ssh
[19:30] <crumb> headless*
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[19:31] <crumb> also, since the dingleberry pi is an underpowered piece of junk, you should get a powered usb hub
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[19:32] <IT_Sean> It is not an underpowered piece of junk, crumb. It was simply not designed to be used with high draw devices.
[19:32] <IT_Sean> That "issue" has been resolved on the B+, as well, so...
[19:33] <crumb> oh in that case, usb keyboards are high draw devices as well?
[19:34] <IT_Sean> Generally, no.
[19:34] <crumb> yeah
[19:34] <IT_Sean> Some gaming or big fancy keyboards will not work ootb, however.
[19:35] <crumb> yeah, wasn't referring to those
[19:35] <crumb> it takes 10-20 seconds to register each keypress on the shell
[19:37] <ChaseTrains> won't the board burn up if you plug in 4x2A USB devices?
[19:38] <ChaseTrains> well, maybe not 2A.. but say, 4x1A
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[19:39] <ChaseTrains> multiply that with 5V, and you get the power of a smaller light bulb, 20W
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[19:40] <mgottschlag> the board will dissipate much less though, just 4A*trace resistance
[19:41] <mgottschlag> the traces might become uncomfortably warm though (unless some kind of current limiting kicks in, e.g. the polyfuse on the model B, or the current limiter on the model B+)
[19:41] <IT_Sean> ^ that. You will pop a polyfuse, or trigger the current limiter (B+). The board won't "burn up"
[19:41] <IT_Sean> ChaseTrains ^
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[19:44] <ChaseTrains> is a polyfuse reset when you unplug the power?
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[19:47] <ChaseTrains> I have a raspberry pi B+, but my phone charger is limited to 1A. Not a good idea to try to power the pi with it?
[19:47] <IT_Sean> That'll be fine
[19:47] <IT_Sean> and no, polyfuses take a while to reset.
[19:48] <ChaseTrains> automatically?
[19:48] <IT_Sean> yes, they reset "automatically", but, it takes a while
[19:48] <gordonDrogon> ChaseTrains, just plug it it. It Will Be Fine.
[19:48] <ChaseTrains> :)
[19:48] <ChaseTrains> hmm.. but won't it need something like 1.5 amps?
[19:48] <ChaseTrains> what could happen? Could I blow the charger for example?
[19:48] <gordonDrogon> for the Pi at least. For USB peripherals, you'll have about 500mA left over - that's assuming your PSU really can source 1 amp at 5 volts - a lot of the cheaper ones can't because they're cheap and they lie to you.
[19:49] <IT_Sean> ChaseTrains, just plug the dammed thing in already!
[19:49] <IT_Sean> Nothing will blow up.
[19:49] <IT_Sean> jeezus.
[19:49] <ChaseTrains> what happens if you try to power the pi via the computer's usb?
[19:50] <gordonDrogon> ChaseTrains, the P will fine
[19:50] <shiftplusone> ChaseTrains, usually it works up to a point, but eventually the usb port won't be able to provide enough current
[19:50] * gordonDrogon looks at the Pi + gertduino + fance I2C interface board... all connected to destop PCs USB port ..
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[19:51] <shiftplusone> depends on the PSU and mother board
[19:51] <ChaseTrains> according to the standard, USB2 has a max output of 500mA. Exceeding that is undefined (and can cause harm to your computer for example)
[19:52] <shiftplusone> won't cause harm to a normal computer
[19:52] <shiftplusone> and it's not max
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[19:52] <shiftplusone> 500mA is the minimum a port should provide for high function mode
[19:53] <shiftplusone> but yes, it's not required to support high function mode or provide more than 500mA if it does
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[19:53] <gordonDrogon> https://projects.drogon.net/wp-content/uploads/2014/07/b+power.jpg best not look too closely at that photo and where the wires go, ChaseTrains
[19:54] <shiftplusone> (a b+ can provide up to 1.2A shared across the 4 ports)
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[19:55] <ChaseTrains> lol.. hmmm.. are those boards getting supplied by.... another pi?
[19:56] <gordonDrogon> ChaseTrains, yes. One Pi, being powered off battery, supplying power to 2 more Pi's.
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[19:56] <IT_Sean> because gordonDrogon is just that bloody awesome.
[19:57] <ChaseTrains> 5V, and how many amps do you think are flowing through the main supplier?
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[19:57] <gordonDrogon> less than two.
[19:59] <ChaseTrains> B+ with keyboard, ~0.24 amps (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KQylhWFxapc)
[20:00] <gordonDrogon> Those 2 Pi's are model B/1's so consuming about 350mA each. The hosting Pi is a B+ so consuming about 250mA when idling, so approximately 1 amp out of the battery.
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[20:02] <gordonDrogon> ChaseTrains, so do you have your Pi booted yet?
[20:02] <shiftplusone> and have you filled Mars with cats yet?
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[20:02] <ChaseTrains> if the CPU goes up to full power (if the CPU supports throttling), how much do you think the consumption would rise?
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[20:03] <ChaseTrains> shiftplusone: not yet :D
[20:03] <shiftplusone> ChaseTrains, current doesn't change much with cpu usage
[20:03] <IT_Sean> What are you waiting for!?
[20:03] <ChaseTrains> I'm going to boot it without any SD-card first (it's empty anyway). What can I expect? :D Does it have a bios-like system that'll show anything?
[20:03] <IT_Sean> powah it up!
[20:03] <IT_Sean> No. Nothing will happen
[20:03] <gordonDrogon> ChaseTrains, who cares. really. who cares. why do you care right now? really - just get your Pi booted and enjoy it! If you really care, go & buy a multimeter and connect it in and measure it. it is not important right now.
[20:03] <IT_Sean> No SD card = no boot
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[20:04] <ChaseTrains> just a blank screen?
[20:04] <IT_Sean> Yes.
[20:04] <gordonDrogon> ChaseTrains, you can expect nothing. nothing at all without an SD card. The Pi needs an SD card. It will not function without an SD card.
[20:04] <IT_Sean> Just a blank screen.
[20:04] <IT_Sean> The raspi will not do anything at all with no SD Card.
[20:04] <IT_Sean> there is no bios or boot menu or anything that will show.
[20:05] <IT_Sean> You need the SD card, with a valid OS written to it, to get the Pi to do anything.
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[20:06] <ryanteck> Its not the voltage or amps that kill but the total energy.
[20:06] <ryanteck> And thats the wrong window or time line or something..
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[20:07] <ChaseTrains> technically, it's the volt, since R is given for the average joe and thus the amp given. V=IR
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[20:10] <gordonDrogon> ChaseTrains, booted it yet?
[20:11] <ChaseTrains> unwrapping the sd-card :3
[20:11] <IT_Sean> Well get on with it!
[20:11] <gordonDrogon> did the SD card come pre-installed?
[20:12] <ChaseTrains> no, I bought it separate
[20:12] <ChaseTrains> just bought the board
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[20:13] <gordonDrogon> do you have another PC with an SD card read/write interface?
[20:13] <ChaseTrains> yep
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[20:16] <gordonDrogon> and do you have an hdmi screen and a usb keyboard to hook up to the Pi too?
[20:17] <ChaseTrains> yes
[20:17] <gordonDrogon> good.
[20:17] <ChaseTrains> when does it start? When you plug in the power cord?
[20:17] <IT_Sean> yes, ChaseTrains. as soon as you plug it in.
[20:18] <IT_Sean> but it needs the SD card with an OS on it first.
[20:18] <ryanteck> Make sure the SD card is ready before the Power
[20:18] <gordonDrogon> ChaseTrains, Go here: http://www.raspberrypi.org/help/noobs-setup/ and when Noobs boots on your Pi, select Raspbian, then give us a shout here.
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[20:18] <ChaseTrains> if the SD card contains nonsense (random data), would it be dangerous?
[20:18] <gordonDrogon> ChaseTrains, only to your sanity.
[20:19] <ChaseTrains> is raspbian linux?
[20:19] <gordonDrogon> Yes.
[20:19] <gordonDrogon> it's a version of Linux based on Debian specifically for the Raspberry Pi.
[20:19] <shiftplusone> ChaseTrains, you should google things before asking them sometimes
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[20:23] <ChaseTrains> how much extra amps do you think connecting it to a TP-cable would require?
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[20:24] <gordonDrogon> none.
[20:24] <gordonDrogon> assuming you mean twisted pair ethernet.
[20:24] <ChaseTrains> yeah
[20:24] <gordonDrogon> still none.
[20:24] <ChaseTrains> why not?
[20:24] <gordonDrogon> because.
[20:25] <gordonDrogon> the socket is active with a cable in or not. the cable is magnetically coupled to the socket. technically it may draw a milliamp or 2 more, but really it's as close to nothing to not care.
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[20:57] <oots> Hello
[20:58] <gordonDrogon> evening.
[20:58] <oots> I am new to the pi; how would I go about connecting it to my laptop screen, keyboard, and touchpad?
[20:58] <IT_Sean> SSH or VNC.
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[20:58] <oots> Mind elaborating on what those are?
[20:59] <IT_Sean> They are methods by which to remote into your raspi over a network.
[20:59] <MrBIOS> oots: use Google for specifics :) This is all thoroughly documented
[20:59] <oots> What kind of cable to I need?
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[20:59] <IT_Sean> well, you would need an ethernet cable to connect your raspi to your network
[20:59] <MrBIOS> ethernet
[21:00] <MrBIOS> (or directly to another PC)
[21:00] <oots> MrBIOS: I wasn't able to find any really clear tutorials searching "connect raspberry pi to laptop"
[21:00] <IT_Sean> oots, google for SSH to raspi
[21:00] <mush> oots: you are looking for basic information that applies to computers in general
[21:00] <oots> Should I already be familiar with SSH
[21:00] <MrBIOS> yes, general linux familiarity would mean you’re familiar with SSH
[21:01] <MrBIOS> at the end of the day, the rPi is just a linux machine :)
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[21:02] <oots> I can access to gui via SSH?
[21:02] <oots> the*
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[21:02] <ShorTie> nop, need vnc for that
[21:03] <oots> ShorTie: What's VNC?
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[21:03] <oots> Ok I'll just read a bunch of wiki articles and try things and come back later if something breaks
[21:03] <IT_Sean> VNC is another remote desktop protocol
[21:03] <shiftplusone> and yes, you can access the gui via ssh as well, it's called X11 forwarding.
[21:04] <shiftplusone> but the local computer would need an X11 server running for x11 forwarding to work, so it's a little trickier on windows and such
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[21:06] <ShorTie> what os is your main pc ??
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[22:24] <Kanerix> What's the best way to measure CPU temp on the B+ model running the latest raspbian?
[22:26] <Tripout> don't know if its the best way, but "vcgencmd measure_temp" in the shell works. :)
[22:27] <Kanerix> Thank you
[22:27] <Kanerix> I want to figure out if overclocking mine is feasible
[22:27] <shiftplusone> temperature is not very relevant to overclocking the pi
[22:28] <Kanerix> Okay, what should I look for, then?
[22:28] <shiftplusone> Nothing, just go for it.
[22:28] <shiftplusone> it will either work or it won't
[22:29] <Kanerix> If it doesn't work, what does it do?
[22:29] <shiftplusone> If you'd like, take a look at this http://www.raspberrypi.org/forums/viewtopic.php?f=29&t=82369
[22:29] <Tripout> just your powersupply is important
[22:29] <shiftplusone> Kanerix, what do you mean by what does it do?
[22:29] <Kanerix> Thank you
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[22:29] <Kanerix> What does it do if it fails?
[22:30] <IT_Sean> it just won't boot. Or it will boot, and it'll corrupt your SD card.
[22:30] <shiftplusone> In my case it would hang or the SD card would mess up.
[22:30] <IT_Sean> Either way, there will be no permanent damage to the Pi.
[22:30] <Kanerix> Okay, so I should use an SD card specially set up for this
[22:30] <Kanerix> okay
[22:30] <Kanerix> cool
[22:30] <IT_Sean> We didn't say that.
[22:31] <Kanerix> >_>
[22:31] <Kanerix> Say what? ;)
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[22:31] <Tripout> may i ask what's the reason for overclocking?
[22:32] <shiftplusone> A faster pi O_o
[22:32] <Kanerix> I just got it and it's understandably slow in normal operations (700MHz ARM). I'm just wanting it to be less slow
[22:32] <shiftplusone> 1GHz is better than 700MHz or whatever the default is
[22:32] <Kanerix> default is 700
[22:33] <shiftplusone> and on something like the pi, you really do feel the extra 300MHz
[22:33] <Kanerix> When I eventually get into playing with the GPIO, I'll set it back to stockish
[22:33] <MrBIOS> is anyone aware of any thermal measurements that have been taken with the rPi at various clock rates, and various core speeds?
[22:33] <Kanerix> That's good to know
[22:34] <Kanerix> Do any of you have experience with nano USB wifi adaptors?
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[22:34] <ChaseTrains> what is the first thing raspberry pi do when it boots? Executes the first byte on the SD-card or what?
[22:34] <Tripout> yes, but but the temperature will raise about +10�C
[22:34] <shiftplusone> MrBIOS, irrelevant. You can maybe get an extra 10 degrees by loading it up 100% and putting it in hot ambient temperature, but it's still nowhere near unsafe temperatures.
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[22:35] <shiftplusone> One guys reported that running darkengine or whatever it's called and overclocking the GPU got him to a temperature where the SoC turns off overclocking to cool itself down
[22:35] <Kanerix> I'm looking at this in particular -> http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16833315091
[22:35] <MrBIOS> I never said or implied it was unsafe, just asked if someone had ever collected data. I’d specifically be interested to see how overclocking affects power consumption
[22:35] <shiftplusone> so... it takes effort to get there. Nothing you need to worry about under normal conditions
[22:36] <MrBIOS> not worried, just curious :)
[22:37] <Tripout> i recommend running the pi by usb drive and not with sd card. my last sd got corrupted after 2 weeks operation.
[22:37] <shiftplusone> MrBIOS, I didn't say or imply that you asked about safety, I just threw it in there alongside the answer. Power usage doesn't change much either. Not when compared to the power usage of the USB/NIC chip. I don't remember the numbers off the top of my head for it, but you can google it.
[22:37] <MrBIOS> fair enough :)
[22:37] <shiftplusone> Kanerix, that's probably one of the best dongles you can get for the pi.
[22:37] <Kanerix> sweet
[22:37] <Kanerix> it's bloody cheap, too
[22:38] <shiftplusone> Kanerix, The more common ones don't do hardware decryption so they eat up the CPU. That one isn't bad.
[22:38] <MrBIOS> also, someone in here mentioned that it may be possible to use the second UART on the Model B+ pi, now that there are additional GPIO pins wired out….is there any credence to such claims?
[22:38] <shiftplusone> Haven't looked into that one myself
[22:41] <Kanerix> Excellent, thanks for the help, y'all
[22:41] <Tripout> which powersupply do u use for 1ghz overclock? my pi won't boot if i set it to 1ghz with 2000mA powsup
[22:42] <Tripout> i won't overclock it again, because it's set up with all i want and it's running fine at 700mhz, just want to know.
[22:42] <shiftplusone> Then maybe the supply doesn't have anything to do with it in your case and your pi is just can't be overclocked that high
[22:42] <Kanerix> I only have a logitech unifying receiver which only pulls 98 mA (according to lsusb -v) and the whole thing on a 1A supply. Think that'll be enough?
[22:42] <DanDare> Hello. If I do 'rpi-update' is updates some flash area on ARM chip or it goes to the OS files?
[22:43] <shiftplusone> DanDare, doesn't touch any flash area
[22:43] <DanDare> shiftplusone, so If I reinstall the OS I will need to rpi-update again, right
[22:43] <DanDare> *?
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[22:43] <shiftplusone> you don't need to rpi-update at all, unless you have a specific reason for it
[22:44] <DanDare> ok. Well, getting trouble with wifi dongle. 'Disabling IRQ#32' freezes and reboots
[22:44] <shiftplusone> but yes, your entire system is contained on the SD card, so if you change sd cards, the firmware changes too
[22:44] <shiftplusone> DanDare, and the new firmware fixes it?
[22:44] <DanDare> shiftplusone, thats why Im asking.. because I didnt tried it yet
[22:45] <DanDare> I hope it fixes it
[22:45] <shiftplusone> ah
[22:45] <DanDare> Bu for what I was reading about the problem, its unlikely :(
[22:45] <shiftplusone> worth a shot, but yeah, I doubt it
[22:45] <shiftplusone> the last few firmware revisions were just internal device tree stuff and dualcam support for the compute module
[22:45] <DanDare> its not a power problem or specific wifi drivers... something to do with how ARM/pi deal with USB packets etc
[22:46] <jerome-> I'm trying to understand how to have a list of wifi in wpa_supplicant.conf and have my raspberry choose the available one
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[22:47] <jerome-> anyone had success with it?
[22:47] <DanDare> "The issue appears to be related to the (USB) chip needing to be run using RTOS rather than a scheduling OS." seems to be the root of that problem
[22:47] <shiftplusone> DanDare, how recent is the information you're reading
[22:47] <shiftplusone> if it's more than a few months old, it might not be relevant
[22:48] <DanDare> shiftplusone, its from here https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=118669.0;all I dont know if its reliable information also. But crossed references seems to agree with that statement
[22:48] <shiftplusone> 2012....
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[22:49] <shiftplusone> The USB stack has been pretty much entirely rewritten over the last year
[22:49] <DanDare> shiftplusone, anyway, having these issues atm (2014)
[22:49] <DanDare> I see, cool
[22:49] <shiftplusone> Right, but the place to discuss it might be in a relevant github issue, not a bitcoin forum
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[22:49] <DanDare> I tried 3 different dongles, but getting same type of troubles regardless
[22:49] <shiftplusone> since the USB wizard might be able to help
[22:50] <DanDare> shiftplusone, agreed
[22:50] <DanDare> I dont have skills to discuss that anyway. Just wanted pi as mobile router :)
[22:50] <DanDare> with ethernet and hostapd app
[22:51] <shiftplusone> They'd just ask for an output of lsusb -v and ask you to try with and without FIQ enabled (which is a cmdline.txt modification).
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[22:52] <DanDare> shiftplusone, thanks for pointing it! Because ive tried everything without success. Will take a look about it
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[23:00] <DanDare> this is interesting http://www.raspberrypi.org/forums/viewtopic.php?t=70437
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[23:02] <DanDare> under "know issues" they list (USB breaking in general (characterised by ethernet dropouts). Sounds like what you're referring to
[23:05] <DanDare> nice, this one is what I should follow I guess https://github.com/raspberrypi/firmware/issues/268
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[23:12] <oots> Hello
[23:12] <oots> I was intending to connect to my Pi Model A via SSH
[23:12] <oots> but realized there's no ethernet port
[23:12] <oots> What do I do?
[23:12] <gordonDrogon> Stick a Wi-Fi dongle on it, but you'll need to use keyboard & screen to set it up.
[23:13] <oots> Wifi dongle?
[23:13] <gordonDrogon> or a usb ethernet dongle.
[23:14] <oots> Er, will that allow me to connect to it via SSH? Is it like a USB to ethernet converter? My pi is headless
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[23:16] <gordonDrogon> yes, Wi-Fi is .. well Wi-Fi ...
[23:16] <gordonDrogon> or Ethernet ...
[23:16] <gordonDrogon> a USB Ethernet dongle may just work, but a Wi-Fi one will require you to use a usb keyboard & screen to set it up.
[23:19] <oots> I don't have extra keyboards and screens
[23:19] <oots> so I was intending to connect via SSH and then VNC
[23:19] <DanDare> gordonDrogon, he can maybe mount the ext4 partition somewhere and tweak /network/interfaces to get it going ?
[23:20] <oots> Would something like this work?
[23:20] <oots> http://www.radioshack.com/product/index.jsp?productId=21542216
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[23:22] <ShorTie> don't think so, it does not mention linux
[23:22] <oots> huh
[23:23] <DanDare> oots, I think a way can be getting a wifi dongle, edit /network/interfaces file (adding SSID and password for the wifi), and get it added to the LAN
[23:23] <ShorTie> but with it being radioshack, buy it, try it, and take it back if it doesn't
[23:24] <oots> What's a wifi dongle exactly? And how would I do that without an extra screen and keyboard?
[23:24] <DanDare> oots, do you have any linux practice?
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[23:24] <oots> Only a bit from working on web servers
[23:25] <DanDare> oots, wifi dongle is a adaptor you plug into USB to have wireless connectivity
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[23:25] <oots> ah
[23:25] <gordonDrogon> "dongle" is the generic name for something plugged into USB.
[23:25] <DanDare> but im not sure if pi model A is ok running them.
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[23:25] <gordonDrogon> Pi A has one USB port.
[23:25] <oots> but can't I use an ethernet dongle to connect directly to my computer and interact offline via SSH?
[23:25] <oots> (my laptop)
[23:26] <DanDare> oots, then you can setup some linux VM and use that to mount the SD card and add wireless SSID and password
[23:26] <gordonDrogon> yes - if the ethernet dongle is detected automatically by the Pi
[23:26] <DanDare> or just use some real linux box
[23:26] <DanDare> gordonDrogon, well pointed.
[23:26] <gordonDrogon> DanDare, hard/hard/hard/confusing/
[23:27] <DanDare> insert a better solution to him here:
[23:27] <DanDare> :)
[23:27] <DanDare> he got no screens or keyboards :)
[23:27] <gordonDrogon> anything that doesn't involve running a VM & installing Linux on his laptop...
[23:27] <DanDare> why not ?
[23:27] <DanDare> he might like.
[23:27] <gordonDrogon> http://www.raspberrypi.org/forums/viewtopic.php?f=46&t=50143
[23:28] <gordonDrogon> http://elinux.org/RPi_VerifiedPeripherals#USB_Ethernet_adapters
[23:28] <oots> wait what is the actual problem with connecting an ethernet dongle
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[23:28] <DanDare> he will need to tweak /network/interfaces anyway.
[23:28] <oots> that is won't detect it automatically?
[23:28] <gordonDrogon> http://elinux.org/RPi_USB_Ethernet_adapters
[23:29] <gordonDrogon> looks like most on that last page I linked will "just work".
[23:29] <ShorTie> if it has linux drivers, it should work fine
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[23:29] <gordonDrogon> ie. plug it in and the Pi should boot, detect it, use dhcp and off it goes.
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[23:29] <gordonDrogon> so you'll need to run a dhcp server somewhere.
[23:29] <DanDare> gordonDrogon, it will connect in a open network? without need to set passwords or SSID ?
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[23:30] <oots> Also, how do I power my pi?
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[23:32] <Encrypt> oots, Could you sum-up what you'd like to do?
[23:32] <Encrypt> I came ~15 minutes ago
[23:32] <DanDare> oots, you need a good wall adapter with micro USB connector. Minimum rate for the adapter current being 700mA
[23:32] <oots> I'd like to connect my pi to my laptop and then to the internet through my laptop (I guess that's tethering)
[23:33] <gordonDrogon> DanDare, what- Wi-Fi? No - which is why I said you'd need screen & keyboard to get going with Wi-Fi.
[23:33] <DanDare> oots, or other source of power with micro USB connector. It must be 5V
[23:33] <gordonDrogon> DanDare, actually, I don't know about an open network. Not seen one of those for a long time...
[23:33] <DanDare> gordonDrogon, Ah ok
[23:33] <oots> Do you think radioshack sells it?
[23:33] <Encrypt> Ok, thanks :)
[23:34] <oots> (a power supply with a micro USB connector)
[23:34] <DanDare> gordonDrogon, me neither. He could set one just for the initial setup he needs. But them, one need to specify the SSID
[23:34] <DanDare> oots, remember it must be 5V output !
[23:34] <oots> Or else the pi will burn otu?
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[23:35] <oots> out*
[23:35] <gordonDrogon> DanDare, but with lack of screen/keyboard, it would be hard - and going down the VM route is just really hard for someone new to Linux, etc.
[23:35] <oots> (if it's greater)
[23:35] <gordonDrogon> oots, no - it just won't work.
[23:35] <DanDare> oots, I suggest getting some real good one. avoid unbranded chinese ones for this task
[23:35] <oots> ook
[23:36] <DanDare> gordonDrogon, yeah agreed. But VM + linux + accessing the file there is not that hard (if he can get help from someone/somewhere).
[23:36] <DanDare> Of course getting some display and keyboard will be 100x easier :)
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[23:37] <oots> How would I connect the pi to the internet after I have it through SSH or VNC on my computer? Can I tether the connection?
[23:38] <oots> from my laptop
[23:38] <Encrypt> Yes, you should be able to do so
[23:38] <oots> How?
[23:38] <gordonDrogon> you can use internet connection sharing from your laptop, but it's much easier if you have a LAN.
[23:39] <Encrypt> However, I failed to help somebody here the other day :p
[23:39] <gordonDrogon> How does your laptop connect to the Internet?
[23:39] <oots> connects wirelessly to my router which is wired to my modem
[23:39] <Encrypt> gordonDrogon, Do you know how to do so on an Ubuntu computer?
[23:40] <Encrypt> I imagine I'd have to execute "route" commands?
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[23:40] <gordonDrogon> Encrypt, not ubuntu - but yes to Debian. I have several debian routers with multiple interfaces running dhcps, etc.
[23:40] <Encrypt> And you set the route rules manually I assume?
[23:40] <gordonDrogon> oots, the best way - eventually - will be to use wi-fi in the Pi to also connect to the router in the same way your laptop does.
[23:41] <DanDare> Encrypt, I guess you need just to setup the interfaces file correctly, or have network-manager doing the job. No need to set routes manually
[23:41] <gordonDrogon> oots, however to get there, you will need screen+keyboard on the Pi.
[23:41] <Encrypt> DanDare, Ok :p
[23:41] <Encrypt> We did that the previous school year...
[23:41] <Encrypt> But I am not that confortable with route...
[23:41] <oots> gordonDrogon: But initially when it's connected directly to my laptop how would I connect to the internet?
[23:41] <DanDare> Encrypt, network-manager is cool. It turns easy dealing with network in general
[23:42] <Encrypt> Ok :)
[23:42] <Encrypt> I'll check that :p
[23:42] <DanDare> Encrypt, theres a gui to gnome, i think its called network-manager-gnome. So all you need is press buttons in the screen :D
[23:42] <Encrypt> DanDare, Yes, I have it ;)
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[23:43] <Encrypt> However, I have to find out how to do tethering thanks the GUI
[23:44] <Encrypt> Because the other day, i successfully (however) managed to help somebody to create another LAN between the Pi and the computer
[23:44] <DanDare> Encrypt, you mean, share the internet from the ubuntu ?
[23:44] <Encrypt> But not thethering
[23:44] <Encrypt> DanDare, Yes :)
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[23:45] <Encrypt> The person here wanted to share his laptop internet connection (connected with WiFi to teh LAN) with the Raspberry Pi which was directly connected to the computer with a crossed-over RJ45 wire
[23:45] <DanDare> Encrypt, take a look into 'hostapd'. It does that. But its not that simple for me. One can do it just using iptables. But with hostapd you have support to dhcp and others nice stuff
[23:46] <DanDare> I see
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[23:46] <oots> But initially when it's connected directly to my laptop how would I connect the pi to its internet?
[23:46] <oots> (the laptop's internet)
[23:47] <Encrypt> DanDare, Ok, I'll check that out :)
[23:47] <DanDare> Encrypt, *I mean, setting up hostapd is not that trivial (at least it wasnt for me). I had some hard time tunning it
[23:48] <DanDare> oots, what you mean by connect pi directly to the laptop? over the wifi dongle?
[23:49] <oots> by ethernet dongle
[23:49] <oots> If I'm connected to my pi via SSH
[23:49] <oots> or VNC
[23:49] <oots> how can I share my laptop's wifi connection with the pi
[23:49] <oots> ?
[23:50] <DanDare> oots, remember guys said that ethernet adapter may not work with pi 'out of the box'
[23:50] <Encrypt> He has a model A?
[23:50] <DanDare> oots, try buying stuff that is already know working with pi
[23:50] <oots> Yeah model A
[23:50] <Encrypt> Why? :P
[23:51] <oots> dandare: There was a list of ethernet dongles that worked with the pi I think someone maybe you sent
[23:51] <DanDare> Ah ok
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[23:51] <oots> Encrypt: I've had it lying around for a while
[23:51] <Encrypt> Ok :]
[23:51] <oots> DanDare: So if I connected like that how would I share the wifi?
[23:52] <DanDare> oots, you got me confused now :p
[23:52] <DanDare> model A has just 1 USB port
[23:52] <oots> DanDare if I connect my laptop to the pi via SSH by way of the USB-ethernet dongle
[23:52] <charolastra> got a prebuilt wifi driver module. why would modprobe fail with "Exec format error" but insmoding the .ko work fine?
[23:53] <DanDare> so im not sure if you can do both (connect to internet and share it). Unless it will work using a USB hub and connected the two there
[23:54] <Encrypt> oots, Do you have a switch?
[23:54] <oots> Encrypt: A switch? hm?
[23:54] <Encrypt> Or a router with an integrated switch?
[23:54] <DanDare> charolastra, probably the driver was compiled against a different version of kernel images. but not sure
[23:54] <Encrypt> oots, https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Network_switch
[23:55] <oots> I have no idea
[23:55] <Encrypt> Because the solution would be to connect it to the switch thanks to an usb to ethernet switch
[23:55] <Encrypt> And then SSH to it
[23:56] <oots> er
[23:56] <DanDare> charolastra, these types of issues http://www.raspberrypi.org/forums/viewtopic.php?f=28&t=73005
[23:56] <Encrypt> No need to make voodoo rites to share the internet connection :p
[23:57] <Encrypt> And you could also keep it on & use it as a web server, file server...
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