#raspberrypi IRC Log

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IRC Log for 2014-07-29

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[0:02] <charolastra> DanDare: thanks, but in my case insmod works fine, so it matches the kernel and functions
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[0:03] <DanDare> charolastra, ok
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[1:49] <Robert_pi> I just brought home a B+ :)
[1:50] <[Saint]> Well done.
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[1:50] <Robert_pi> I like the new layout. Looks far cleaner
[1:52] <[Saint]> I'm really not a fan of the placement of the network LEDs.
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[1:54] <[Saint]> I understand it lives in the maglock ethernet connector now, and that makes some sense, but it makes it very difficult quickly overview the status of the machine.
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[1:55] <[Saint]> To combat this, I use my MicroView to provide status info suitable for rapid consumption.
[1:56] <[Saint]> https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/1516846343/microview-chip-sized-arduino-with-built-in-oled-di
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[1:57] <[Saint]> I'm using it to display CPU usage, disk access, network throughput, and pending highlights on IRC.
[1:58] <[Saint]> (The MicroView has a cute little OLED display with quite a high pixel density...well, for what it is, its a high pixel density, anyway)
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[2:21] <Robert_pi> ah. I hadn't even noticed the network led's
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[2:28] <[Saint]> Lets play...
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[2:28] <[Saint]> Name. That. Silicon!
[2:28] <[Saint]> http://i.imgur.com/tXIOp0x.jpg
[2:28] <[Saint]> (seriously, though, it'd be a GREAT help if anyone knows the manufacturer and/or part number for this component)
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[2:29] <io_silver> haha i actually thought it was a quiz
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[2:29] <io_silver> i was dying to hear the answer
[2:29] <[Saint]> Well...so am I. So, when/if someone answers it... ;)
[2:31] <Robert_pi> Ok.. here's one for u .... I just put my PI mem card in my linux pc... all it's seeing is 1 directory, not the entire card
[2:31] <DanDare> [Saint], whats that? looks like some power transistor
[2:31] <io_silver> is the little triangle maybe a cathode marker?
[2:31] <DanDare> the large heatsink pads (what i believe are heatsink pads)
[2:32] <[Saint]> DanDare: We don't know. That's why I was hoping someone here could identify it.
[2:32] <abnormal> well it's a little outta focus, it says OTC
[2:32] <phire> it's not a triac is it?
[2:32] <DanDare> [Saint], its some board you own ?
[2:32] <[Saint]> *OTN
[2:33] <phire> what does the board do?
[2:33] <abnormal> work
[2:33] <[Saint]> Its an RF amp.
[2:33] <[Saint]> wE'RE TRYING TO WORK OUT THE MANUFACTURER.
[2:33] <[Saint]> eek, sorry caps.
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[2:35] <phire> it won't be a triac then
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[2:35] <abnormal> I bet arctictelecom wud know... he's in ham radios heavily
[2:36] <phire> not a lot of markings to go by
[2:37] <abnormal> bridge rec
[2:38] <phire> that would work
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[2:40] <io_silver> the package name seems to be a to-86 aka smd86
[2:41] <io_silver> i see similar shaped things that are rf power transistors
[2:42] <abnormal> yeah so what is the fourth conductor?
[2:44] <io_silver> possibly two source for heatsinking
[2:45] <abnormal> gud enuf reason...
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[2:45] <io_silver> here's one thats the same package
[2:45] <io_silver> http://www.ebay.com/itm/5PCS-RF-VHF-UHF-Transistor-TOSHIBA-TO-86-SMD-2SK3476-UCF-/360799012458
[2:45] <io_silver> footprint anyway
[2:46] <abnormal> ok... looks gud
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[2:53] <Boscop> i'm looking for a webcam that can be controlled to tilt / rotate / zoom, where can i find one?
[2:53] <Boscop> like in this video: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1cEp7duDbNU
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[2:59] <abnormal> at Walmart...
[2:59] <SpeedEvil> http://www.vaddio.com/product/clearview_hd_usb
[2:59] <abnormal> sports section
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[3:00] <SpeedEvil> http://ptzwebcam.com/
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[3:29] <Boscop> what's the best sensor to use for detecting small pulls of a string?
[3:30] <phire> force sensor?
[3:32] <Boscop> phire: i want to build a midi guitar, the strings can be pressed against the board
[3:33] <phire> wouldn't a standard electromagnetic pickup work best?
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[3:46] <Boscop> phire: and for a midi expression pedal?
[3:46] <[Saint]> Boscop: does it need to detect variable force, and speed, or just that "string has been pulled"?
[3:47] <Boscop> it has to detect how far the string has been pulled
[3:47] <Boscop> small increments
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[3:47] <Boscop> speed can be calculated
[3:48] <[Saint]> I'd probably lean towards a standard electromagnetic pickup as well, actually.
[3:48] <[Saint]> readily available, purpose built.
[3:49] <phire> expression pedal, all you need is a potentiometer
[3:50] <Boscop> phire: yeah but what kind?
[3:50] <Boscop> a rotating one with a coil and string?
[3:50] <Boscop> so that it auto-backwinds?
[3:51] <phire> I would probably gear it to the pedal, so you have a direct connection both ways
[3:52] <Boscop> where can i buy gears for that?
[3:52] <phire> no idea
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[4:11] <pksato> Boscop: you need a "hexaphonic pickup".
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[4:12] <Boscop> pksato: why?
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[4:13] <Boscop> pksato: my midi guitar only has one string for the pressure detection, the pitches are created with buttons
[4:13] <pksato> That is used to make a guitar synt.
[4:14] <pksato> ah...
[4:14] <pksato> simple pickup solve.
[4:14] <Boscop> so a pickup is overkill, and i don't need sound info from the string
[4:14] <Boscop> only pulling info
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[4:19] <pksato> pickup is the simple solution. And you not need vibration from it. Only if is vibrating or not, and amplitude of vibration, and time. The envelope. But, I not a music engineer.
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[4:24] <Boscop> pksato: do you know any books that teach electronics that not only mention how stuff works but also why (going low level into the physics)?
[4:25] <pksato> Boscop: all good books.
[4:25] <pksato> theory books.
[4:25] <pksato> but, I dont know any.
[4:25] <Boscop> ah
[4:29] <pksato> I have this book (tranlated version) http://books.google.com.br/books/about/Integrated_Electronics.html?id=Qta8v9hJBMAC&redir_esc=y
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[4:34] <DanDare> Hi. the /boot/cmdline.txt file accepts commented lines and 1 instructions per line? Or it will break it or make options not being read?
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[4:36] <pksato> DanDare: probable, only one line without comments,
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[4:36] <DanDare> pksato, ok, thanks
[4:37] <pksato> Its is similar to append on lilo ou kernel line on grub.
[4:37] <DanDare> I see.
[4:38] <DanDare> pksato, the order of the parameters are important or it can be in any order ?
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[4:39] <pksato> any
[4:39] <DanDare> ok, thank you
[4:39] <pksato> can be have exceptions.
[4:39] <DanDare> right
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[6:38] <DanDare> nice. last firmware update fixed the wireless problem I had
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[6:40] <lacrymology> I'd like to install pgsql but have it run on an external harddrive, is it easily achievable?
[6:41] <DanDare> lacrymology, what pi model? B or B+
[6:42] <plugwash> lacrymology assuming by "run on" you mean "keep it's data on", probablly the easiest thing to do is just put all of /var on the external hard drive
[6:42] <lacrymology> DanDare: dunno? how do I figure this out? 2 USB ports
[6:43] <DanDare> lacrymology, so B model I guess. (B+ has 4 USB ports)
[6:44] <lacrymology> yeah
[6:44] <lacrymology> I'm thinking whether this'll even be neessary
[6:45] <lacrymology> yeah. I've only got 380M free
[6:45] <DanDare> lacrymology, never tried running a USB disk but take a look about power supply issues. model B got some details in regard high current devices. At least its a hassle with wifi adapters :)
[6:45] <DanDare> lacrymology, can you run it from a pen-drive e.g.?
[6:46] <lacrymology> hmm
[6:46] <lacrymology> it's a usb3, so it might not even work
[6:46] <DanDare> -.-
[6:46] <DanDare> no idea ..
[6:49] <lacrymology> yeah, no deal
[6:49] <lacrymology> shit
[6:49] <lacrymology> argh, I want to do something relatively simple, but it's proving more and more complicated by small problems
[6:49] <lacrymology> I want a portable file/cloud server
[6:50] <lacrymology> apparently the pi cannot provide me with that
[6:50] <DanDare> lacrymology, at least youre figuring out the small ones
[6:50] <DanDare> lacrymology, im new to pi. anyway, dont forget its a slow box (compared to today's general resources)
[6:50] <lacrymology> DanDare: what would the big ones be? I can configure and patch and compile and figure my way around most software
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[6:51] <lacrymology> DanDare: it's not a matter of speed, the pi is up to spec to do anything I'd want to do, up to and including streaming video
[6:51] <DanDare> lacrymology, nah, cant think of anything. at last instance big ones are just a bunch of small ones p
[6:51] <lacrymology> my problems are, not enough HD space, not enough (electrical) power
[6:51] <DanDare> ok
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[6:52] <DanDare> lacrymology, for a portable file cloud I guess its more than enough
[6:52] <DanDare> lacrymology, at least for personal usage or maybe fewer people?
[6:53] <DanDare> lacrymology, what you mean by not enough power ?
[6:53] <DanDare> running it out of solar panels or something?
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[7:09] <lacrymology> DanDare: it doesn't have enough electrical power to feed the HDD. And I need it to feed a TP-3020
[7:09] <lacrymology> I'll have to buy a powered USB hub, and I don't know where and when I'll be able to find something like tat
[7:09] <lacrymology> that
[7:10] <lacrymology> I'm sort of in the middle of nowhere
[7:10] <DanDare> heh
[7:10] <DanDare> lacrymology, not even the mail can reach you :)
[7:10] <DanDare> */
[7:11] <DanDare> damn, i meant: ?
[7:11] <lacrymology> DanDare: this is cambodia, and I move every 2 weeks~1 month, so it's hard
[7:11] <DanDare> I see
[7:11] <lacrymology> I'm moving to thailand in a couple of weeks. I might be able to find something in bangkok
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[7:12] <lacrymology> but more and more I wonder if it's worth it. I might just run a small webserver for internal projects
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[7:16] <DanDare> lacrymology, i bough the pi thinking on getting it to serve for purposes like that.. but still discovering if its worthy
[7:16] <DanDare> lacrymology, its being worthy regardless about the funny part of it
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[7:16] <DanDare> like, i have already a MAME console to bring with me anywhere i go :D
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[7:17] <DanDare> just plug it on tv, plug the joystick and avoila
[7:19] <DanDare> lacrymology, i personally modded my pi unplugging boards 5V totally and routing that directly to power supply
[7:19] <DanDare> *boards USB 5V pins
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[7:22] <DanDare> seems that pi model B is very sensible not just in regard power supply but also external noise. routing USB 5V from USB connectors directly to microUSB didn't fixed the reboot issues totally.
[7:23] <DanDare> it only stopped doing that after soldering a inductor in serie right after microUSB 5V out
[7:24] <DanDare> what ended building some filter, in conjunction with the silver capacitor I guess
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[7:29] <DanDare> it ended like this: http://i.imgur.com/e2ekzUB.jpg
[7:30] <DanDare> needed to get rid of the polyfuse :/
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[7:31] <DanDare> I think will be just adding a real fuse on my power supply output for now
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[12:43] <Tenebrous> hello all of the people
[12:44] <PhyberApex> Hi
[12:45] <Tenebrous> i've been googling for a while, but does anyone have any pointers on a usb-powered display for the pi?
[12:45] <Tenebrous> 7-9"
[12:46] <Tenebrous> i've seen this http://hdmipi.com/ which is a perfect size (probably hence why they did it!), but not sure about the power aspects
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[12:53] <shiftplusone> pricey
[12:54] <shiftplusone> I'd get the official display, whenever that's out
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[12:54] <shiftplusone> if whatever you're doing doesn't need to be done too soon
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[13:04] <Tenebrous> shiftplusone: nah just a tinkering thing
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[13:05] <Tenebrous> i don't think that £75 for the HDMIPi thing is too bad actually
[13:05] <Tenebrous> is there any info about official displays? i only really started researching stuff a week ago
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[13:06] <PunIntended> Tenebrous: It will probanly be released before two weeks
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[13:07] <PunIntended> *probably
[13:07] <Tenebrous> oo
[13:07] <PunIntended> Tenebrous: I bet for less than a half-month.
[13:07] <Tenebrous> i like that the hdmipi one is 9" though, and dimensionally appears to fit nicely into my... er... 'case'
[13:09] <Tenebrous> also i don't care about touch
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[14:06] <faLUCE> hello, is there a good 3g moden for raspberry?
[14:06] <faLUCE> hello, is there a good and small 3g moden for raspberry?
[14:07] <winlu> define small
[14:07] <PunIntended> faLUCE: My Orange France 3G key works fine with linux drivers ( Huawei).
[14:08] <PunIntended> * on a Pi.
[14:08] <faLUCE> winlu: I want to fit it into http://mkcastor.com/2014/01/02/pipad-build/
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[14:34] <PunIntended> Is the Odroid-W really with a BCM2835 ?
[14:35] <gordonDrogon> it appears to be.
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[14:36] <PunIntended> I never expected that.
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[14:37] <PunIntended> Someone have one of them shipped.
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[15:07] <gordonDrogon> they're not supposed to be shipping until late August.
[15:07] <gordonDrogon> but I'm sure there are samples around.
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[16:19] <js__> Hey guys, anyway to edit a sudoers without ever setting the root password?
[16:19] * dreamreal (~jottinge@redhat/dreamreal) Quit (Ping timeout: 240 seconds)
[16:20] <js__> and not by doing sudo visudo. i messed up my sudoers and sudo doesnt work. thats what im trying to fix in the first place
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[16:21] <ppq> js__, edit it from another linux computer
[16:21] <ppq> that would be the easiest way i think
[16:24] <js__> how?
[16:24] <js__> ssh?
[16:24] <ppq> no, take the sd card out
[16:24] <js__> ahhh
[16:25] <js__> yes, i was wondering if it was accessible
[16:25] <ppq> the file? sure, it is
[16:25] <js__> and its /etc/sudoers.d?
[16:25] <shiftplusone> .d is a directory
[16:25] <lennard> visudo without special arguments operates without sudoers.d, just on /etc/sudoers
[16:25] <ppq> i don't know what exactly is defunct in your setup
[16:25] <shiftplusone> debian likes to have a config file and then a .d where all the stuff from that directory is added onto the end of it
[16:26] <lennard> with the proper arguments, visudo can manage files in sudoers.d as well
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[16:32] <Robbster> hi all. I received my ModelB+ pi today, but I can't seem to get the USB working at all and the ethernet lights don't come on at all. I can boot an image, but can't log in...
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[16:33] <Robbster> I've been using a powered USB hub and the peripherals work with Model A so it doesn't seem to be power.
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[16:33] <gordonDrogon> Robbster, you need an up to date image on the SD card.
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[16:33] <shiftplusone> Robbster, I am guessing you just threw in an old sd card without updating it or throwing a new image on there?
[16:33] <gordonDrogon> Robbster, so put card back into your A and do a full apt-get update/upgrade on it.
[16:34] <Robbster> gordonDrogon: I have an SD for the Model A - hav to make a new image for the microSD for model B
[16:35] <Robbster> gordonDrogon: i.e. fresh new image based on raspbian from 2014-01-07-wheezy-raspbian
[16:36] <Robbster> gordonDrogon: should I try with the latest NOOBS v 1.3.9 (2014-07-08?)
[16:38] <shiftplusone> only if you want to use noobs
[16:38] <shiftplusone> a raw image is fine
[16:38] <gordonDrogon> other wise just get the latest Raspbian.
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[16:40] <Robbster> k, will try - thx!
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[17:28] <jonascj> Hi all. Can the pi automatically power on after a powerloss?
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[17:30] <Mr_Sheesh> It will start running again, jonascj, but it won't know what it was in the middle of before the power loss, so unless you set it up to restart something (for example an embedded system type program) it'll just reboot to your OS
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[17:30] <jonascj> MRW someone corrects my spelling to the American spelling of a word.
[17:31] <jonascj> wow
[17:31] <jonascj> damn middel click linux clip board
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[17:31] <jonascj> Mr_Sheesh: I will restart my tasks myself, the only thing I cannot do it physically start poewr on the pi (replugging the power cable, shortening pins etc.)
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[17:32] <Mr_Sheesh> On mine I get a login prompt, have to log back in and tell it to restart the program (ATM. Just haven't fixed it yet. SOme day LOL)
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[17:32] <jonascj> Mr_Sheesh: I was wondering it I should install a rpi or something else at a remote location to act as VPN server (small volume, 2-4 users). My only worry about the pi is that it will shut down and will not restart automatically
[17:33] <Digitlman> install the watchdog
[17:33] <jonascj> * I was thinking about install a rpi as ....
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[17:34] <steve_rox> i see ms missed the point with their attempt to rip off the rpi
[17:34] <Digitlman> the whole low cost idea? lol
[17:34] <steve_rox> yeah
[17:34] <Digitlman> yep
[17:34] <Digitlman> typical ms
[17:34] <steve_rox> and a open os etc
[17:34] <Digitlman> and intel
[17:34] <Mr_Sheesh> What're they trying on that? Didn't see that
[17:34] <steve_rox> they supposed to sell it with a useless win8 licence
[17:34] <Digitlman> there's yer problem
[17:35] <steve_rox> http://gadgets.ndtv.com/laptops/news/microsoft-announces-raspberry-pi-like-x86-development-board-for-windows-567055
[17:35] <jonascj> Digitlman: good idea - I will definitely look into that also. I still need to ensure that it powers on again after potential powerloss (be it the HPFI cutting power, the powerplant or someone acidentially hitting the wall switch)
[17:35] <steve_rox> looks ugly as hell
[17:35] <Digitlman> jonascj: you could alo look into an ip-enabled power switch
[17:35] <Digitlman> like an iboot
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[17:36] <Mr_Sheesh> $300 vs. $35, gee, decisions, decisions :p
[17:36] <steve_rox> haha
[17:36] <Digitlman> there are many many sub $150 devices I would take of the ms device any day of the week
[17:37] <Mr_Sheesh> jonascj - Also a 5V USB power pack could run an RPi for some time...
[17:37] <steve_rox> i like the rpi better not just for cost but you have a community of modders and stuff
[17:37] <Mr_Sheesh> BBB is a little more than a RPi IIRC - Still quite below $300
[17:37] <steve_rox> they post tutorials which i can learn from
[17:37] <steve_rox> that ms thing is just bung it in a case install windows on it and forget about it
[17:38] <Digitlman> I'm surprised they didnt call their the Bingberry pi
[17:38] <Digitlman> ;-)
[17:38] <steve_rox> haha
[17:38] <steve_rox> they always have the most silly names
[17:39] <steve_rox> its like "we think we are so cool that we dont have to use any effort to get a name"
[17:39] <Mr_Sheesh> If I wanted an x86 it'd be because I was running DOS on there (sometimes you NEED a cheap RTOS, and that's one way.) But $300? Just makes my brain hurt
[17:39] <steve_rox> i call it bong for short
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[17:41] <Mr_Sheesh> I'd ask what they were smoking but I know what WA state just legalized, so ...
[17:42] <steve_rox> years ago i was looking at one them nano itx boards which was x86
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[17:42] <steve_rox> but so insanely expensive
[17:42] <steve_rox> rpi helped a lot
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[17:52] <gordonDrogon> steve_rox, I build a lot of VoIP PBXs using miniITX boards - and ALIX (Geode) boards. Great stuff - but the prise was about �100 a board - however they had the one thing I needed: a pci slot.
[17:52] <steve_rox> is voip pbx fun?
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[17:53] <gordonDrogon> er ... define fun :)
[17:53] <gordonDrogon> it was hard work and I put together something that worked really well - but it was too cheap.
[17:53] <steve_rox> well erm easy/interesting
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[17:54] <gordonDrogon> go into a company and tell them that what they pay in 3 months in terms of leasing and maintenance would buy one of my systems outright and they don't belive you.
[17:54] <gordonDrogon> although they would like to believe you, but would them be too embarassed to admit they've been ripped-off for the past X years and will continue to be ripped off for the next Y years.
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[17:55] <gordonDrogon> and.. "What do you mean by: No license fees... It's telephony, you need license fees! We've been paying a license fee for each voicemailbox for the past 15 years..." .. etc.
[17:55] <steve_rox> i dont have any "pbx" hardware i guess i was just wondering if it was fun to mess with
[17:55] <gordonDrogon> pc + linux + asterisk = pbx.
[17:56] <steve_rox> think i read someone using it to route voip over net onto a land line to save money on international calls
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[17:56] <supay> Hey
[17:56] <supay> I am getting a Raspberry Pi Model A
[17:56] <gordonDrogon> you can do all sorts of stuff. I sold (and still do) connections via VoiP to the PSTN.
[17:56] <supay> is there anything cool I can do with it?
[17:57] <steve_rox> i have no idea how to setup such a thing really
[17:57] <gordonDrogon> supay, lots - all depends on what you're interested in - audio/video, programming, graphics, interfacing ...
[17:57] <supay> :D
[17:57] <supay> Im interested in programming
[17:57] <supay> gordonDrogon: it would be great if you could link me to some projects online that were done using the model A
[17:58] <IT_Sean> supay, Google is your friend.
[17:58] <IT_Sean> #raspberrypi is not your personal research staff.
[17:59] <gordonDrogon> supay, all stuff I've done is on a model B, but you'll be OK wth the A, but probably need a USB hub for wi-fi, keyboard, mouse,etc.
[17:59] <supay> IT_Sean: ouch :)
[17:59] <supay> gordonDrogon: I've got a hub, no worries ;)
[18:00] <ppq> gordonDrogon, gigabyte has two 10 W (tdp) mini-itx boards with PCI and celeron J1800 (dualcore) or J1900 (quadcore) for about 70€. do you have experience with those? i thought about buying something like that
[18:00] <supay> IT_Sean: Firstly, I wasn't really talking to you. Being an op doesn't mean you can abuse your powers. Secondly, I was asking a question because I've already googled and I think that people here have more experience than me and can easily guide me in the right direction. I understand that this channel isn't my personal research staff, but it was rude of you to put it that way.
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[18:01] <IT_Sean> supay, you were talking to everyone in here, including me. This is a public forum.
[18:01] <IT_Sean> also...
[18:01] * IT_Sean sets mode -o IT_Sean
[18:01] <IT_Sean> I don't much like your tone
[18:01] <steve_rox> enough :-P
[18:02] <supay> IT_Sean: no I wasn't. I specifically mentioned gordonDrogon. Check.
[18:02] <supay> I highlighted him with the question.
[18:02] <IT_Sean> <supay> is there anything cool I can do with it?
[18:02] <IT_Sean> That was to everyone.
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[18:02] <shiftplusone> settle down, kids
[18:02] <supay> IT_Sean: I had already initiated a conversation.
[18:02] <steve_rox> ppl too tence in here lately
[18:02] <supay> lol no, its cool
[18:03] <supay> IT_Sean does have a point. But it wasn't put nicely.
[18:03] <supay> :) But thats okay, this is IRC. Lol.
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[18:03] <IT_Sean> I'm not paid enough to put things nicely. I tell it like it is. Don't like that? That's fine. Door is right over there.
[18:03] <mfa298> supay: in terms of projects I'd suggest in general one that you want to do and is slightly above your current skill set makes for a good project.
[18:04] <supay> mfa298: ah, thats a good idea. That way I'll learn more, instead of just attempting the easiest project out ther.
[18:04] <supay> there*
[18:04] <mfa298> There's lots of things I could suggest as projects but unless they're of interest to you they won't be much good.
[18:04] <steve_rox> id say go with a rpi B/B+
[18:04] <steve_rox> think id outgrow a mdl A fast
[18:04] <IT_Sean> Having said that... what do you WANT to do with it? Why'd you buy it in the first place? I bought my first Pi to use as an HTPC. What are YOU wanting to do?
[18:05] <gordonDrogon> ppq, stopped buying little boards like that some 3 years back ,so sorry no experience.
[18:05] <supay> mfa298: Thats true..
[18:05] <supay> steve_rox: Im beginning to think the same!
[18:05] <supay> IT_Sean: I read about running Linux on a Raspberry Pi
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[18:05] <supay> specifically Debian
[18:05] <supay> I thought that would be interesting! :D
[18:05] <gordonDrogon> supay, you can see my stuff here: https://projects.drogon.net/ (well some of it) and theres Pi stuff there too.
[18:05] <steve_rox> your be able to expand any project you do with the rpi B/B+
[18:06] <IT_Sean> Thats sort of what they do :p
[18:06] <IT_Sean> I'd recommend installing Raspbian.
[18:06] <IT_Sean> What do you want to do with it once you get it running?
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[18:06] <supay> ah, thanks gordonDrogon! :0 I'll check it out ;)
[18:07] <ryanteck> You may find a lot of B's (Rev2) on ebay cheaper because of people wanting B+, Performance wise no worse off just the 2 less USB
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[18:07] <supay> IT_Sean: I thought of trying to mine some crypto with it after I get linux running. Or maybe just watch movies after connecting it to a external display! :D
[18:07] <supay> That would be some epic shit
[18:07] <supay> People be like "Where is the CPU?"
[18:07] <supay> lol
[18:07] <IT_Sean> language, supay.
[18:07] <supay> oops
[18:08] <supay> my bad
[18:08] <IT_Sean> That said, sounds like an easy first project.
[18:08] <ryanteck> Yeah lots of good Bitcoin / Litecoin / Dogecoin tutorials for it.
[18:08] <supay> Really? I can run Debian/Raspbian (which sounds like a Debian derivative) on Model A ?
[18:09] <IT_Sean> Yes.
[18:09] <IT_Sean> Of course you can
[18:09] <IT_Sean> that is what it is DESIGNED to do.
[18:09] <supay> ryanteck: yeah, thats what I heard. Though Dogecoin would be idea.. Can't really imagine to mine BTC on a Raspberry Pi. Unless I have a farm. Lol.
[18:09] <supay> IT_Sean: Oh. Okay..
[18:09] <supay> now its officially time for me to google
[18:09] <ryanteck> Dogecoin will barely mine either. Just mainly a proof of concept.
[18:09] <supay> IT_Sean: no hard feelings? ;)
[18:09] <IT_Sean> None for now :)
[18:10] <supay> ryanteck: true that, maybe i'll hook it to some GPU's?
[18:10] <IT_Sean> lemme know if you need help with anything. Either myself or someone else in here 'll be happy to lend a hand.
[18:10] <ryanteck> Wouldn't be able to hook it to some GPUs. Maybe an ASIC USB miner if there is one of them for scrypt
[18:10] <supay> IT_Sean: definitely, thanks ;) But yes, I'll google before i ask a silly question in here.
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[18:11] <supay> ryanteck: they're releasing/have already released ASIC's for scrypt.. But yeah, or maybe I'll just mine some new cryptocurrency.. like Monero! Its based on X13.. allows CPU mining
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[18:12] <jonascj> Digitlman: I am on a budget (time and money, mostly time) so I don't think I can get a power switch before tomorrow. So I am just trying make it as reliable as possible with the pi I have at hand :)
[18:13] <Digitlman> ahh ok
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[19:38] <Ryan_On_Mars> Hi people :D
[19:38] <Armand> Herro, person!
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[19:44] <Ryan_On_Mars> So I'm brand new to this, having just got my raspberry pi yeasterday. My plan was to set it up so my parents could watch youtube and netflix and other video sites of of this instead of having an uber long hdmi cable running from our computer to their room. I installed raspbian and was playing around with midori night and wasn't able to get any video site working. I looked around for options to enable html5 but got a bit lost from there.
[19:47] <Armand> Completely lost me, unfortunately.. I've not even looked at desktop software on the rPi. :/
[19:48] <Tenebrous> can you install Chromium / Chrome on it maybe?
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[19:51] <Matt> youtube ought to be workable
[19:51] <Matt> not sure about netflix
[19:51] <Armand> 'Droid ?
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[19:55] <Ryan_On_Mars> havnt tried chromium
[19:55] <Ryan_On_Mars> I installed web beta but that was a no go aswell
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[19:56] <jaggz|2> does xbmc run okay under rasbian?
[19:56] <Matt> it should do
[19:56] <Ryan_On_Mars> xmbc?
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[19:56] <pksato> RPi works fine as media centre, but it is not the main application. Probable, android stick make better job, and cost less.
[19:56] <Matt> http://xbmc.org/
[19:56] <Matt> it's a media centre frontend
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[19:57] <Tenebrous> also wdtvlive if you want to buy something that does 'everything'
[19:57] <jaggz|2> maybe my default install has too much going on .. once I click anything in the xbmc main menu (like "pictures").. it sort of locks up in a way
[19:57] <Matt> if you want minimal setup, you can use raspbmc or openelec, which give you a dedicated xbmc setup
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[19:58] <jaggz|2> I don't mind the rest of it on there.. just wondering why it's locking up
[19:58] <Matt> but if you want netflix, you probably want a box that's got a proper licensed app
[19:58] <jaggz|2> the screen flickers blue-darkblue very slowly as I move the mouse.. must hit esc (or something) to get back to the main menu
[19:58] <pumphaus> Ryan_On_Mars: netflix on the rpi will never work as long as it uses on silverlight
[19:59] <Tenebrous> (wdtvlive has licensed app)
[19:59] <lost_soul> openelec will be nice for your parents to use.. I don't think netflix is possible though
[19:59] <Matt> Tenebrous: exactly :)
[19:59] <lost_soul> quite easy interface for them to deal with
[19:59] <Matt> wdtvlive, roku, even most of the bluray players out there these days in fact
[20:00] <Matt> we've got a cheap LG bluray player on one TV, which we use primarily for netflix and occasionally youtube
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[20:00] <jaggz|2> can I make my sdcard multiboot?
[20:00] <Matt> and an atv2 on another
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[20:00] <Matt> jaggz|2: last time I looked into that, I came across berryboot
[20:00] <Matt> that's preconfigured to let you boot raspian, openelec, etc
[20:00] <Matt> from a nice menu
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[20:02] <Tenebrous> is this about the time #raspberypi gets active?
[20:02] <lost_soul> with how cheap the Pi is I don't see why people don't just buy multiple Pi's, one for each role that needs to be filled
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[20:03] <Ryan_On_Mars> thanks I'll check these out
[20:04] <Matt> lost_soul: I suspect folk do
[20:04] <Matt> but sometimes it's just nice to tinker
[20:04] <jaggz|2> matt, thanks :)
[20:04] <Matt> for example, I netboot my pi
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[20:05] <Matt> which means I can get away with a tiny SD card, as all it has to hold is the bootloader and the kernel
[20:05] <lost_soul> Matt: netbooting is something I've always wanted to do
[20:05] <Matt> lost_soul: it's not for the faint of heart :)
[20:05] <Tenebrous> Matt: what do you run that the other end that provides the image etc?
[20:05] <lost_soul> haven't done it on a normal system, much less a Pi
[20:05] <Tenebrous> *at
[20:05] <Matt> Tenebrous: I've got a linux box on my network that handles all that stuff
[20:06] <Tenebrous> ah cool
[20:06] <Matt> the way it's setup at the moment, it's really just pulling stuff via NFS
[20:06] <lost_soul> all it really needs is tftp or some such, right?
[20:06] <Matt> and that box is an NFS server already
[20:06] <lost_soul> guess not
[20:06] <Tenebrous> Matt: gotcha. i imagine it would work the same from a NAS that supports NFS
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[20:06] <Matt> lost_soul: true netboot is usually dhcp+tftp+nfs
[20:07] <Matt> I cheat :)
[20:07] <Matt> technically what I do on my pi is just an NFS root filesystem
[20:07] <Matt> kernel and initrd are on the SD card
[20:07] <Tenebrous> aha
[20:07] <Tenebrous> so is it effectively always accessing OS files from the network?
[20:07] <Matt> yup
[20:07] <Tenebrous> well, whatever works!
[20:08] <Matt> I have a proper x86 netboot environment as well
[20:08] <Matt> using PXE
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[20:08] <Matt> so the box in question does serve out tftp too :)
[20:08] <Matt> but that's largely cause it's handy for work
[20:09] <Matt> I can drop a system on my bench, plug it into the network, pwoer it on and netboot a dianostics environment
[20:09] <pksato> some thing to try http://elinux.org/RPi_U-Boot
[20:09] <lost_soul> ^^ is why I looked in to netbooting prior
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[20:18] <Ryan_On_Mars> After I install multiple operating systems with noobs how do I switch between them?
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[20:19] <Matt> pksato: I may have to play with that
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[20:32] <gordonDrogon> Ryan_On_Mars, you reboot and hod the shift-key when it tells you to on the screen.
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[20:37] <jaggz|2> yeah, I installed xbmc in rasbian from the recommended repository .. it doesn't work right
[20:38] <jaggz|2> my titles and buttons become blocky (like a font problem)
[20:38] <IT_Sean> Are you only using the Pi for xbmc?
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[20:39] <jaggz|2> yes.. trying to
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[20:39] <jaggz|2> later it'll be doing other things
[20:39] <IT_Sean> Use OpenELEC instead
[20:39] <IT_Sean> oh.
[20:39] <IT_Sean> :/
[20:39] <jaggz|2> oh.. no, it won't be dedicated, no
[20:39] <IT_Sean> I see.
[20:39] <jaggz|2> openelec wouldn't boot on it.. not sure why. others have had the error
[20:39] <jaggz|2> it had some error mounting some partition .. not sure why
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[20:40] <jaggz|2> that MIGHT have been the result of me running gparted and adding another partition before I first booted it.. not sure
[20:40] <IT_Sean> Very likely
[20:40] <jaggz|2> instead of fixing it, I went straight to rasbian
[20:40] <jaggz|2> (the partition was to use the later space on the sdcard)
[20:40] <ShorTie> imho, it's best to have different sdcards then trying to multi-boot
[20:41] <IT_Sean> ^
[20:41] <jaggz|2> yeah I'm not doing multiboot
[20:41] <ShorTie> and just put the image on the sdcard, not thru anything
[20:41] <jaggz|2> ooh.. it's gotten pretty locked up .. weird
[20:42] <jaggz|2> I'm ssh'ed in.. ran xbmc-standalone
[20:42] <jaggz|2> it asked me about the update.. I tried my tv remote the first time (didn't know that worked!) .. that window went away and another popped up and .. now it's timed out and gone black I guess..
[20:42] <jaggz|2> but ssh is also locked up
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[20:43] <jaggz|2> so.. oh well. the deb release of xbmc might not be so dandy
[20:43] <IT_Sean> You might want to switch to OpenELEC, and get a 2nd Pi for everything else.
[20:43] <jaggz|2> nod.. might do that
[20:43] <jaggz|2> still just experimenting and learning though
[20:44] <jaggz|2> I can ssh in again and it's fast.. weird
[20:45] <winlu> xbmc on rpi performed so terrible for me that i developed my own media center >.>
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[20:45] <winlu> no idea how anybody can stand the loading times
[20:46] <IT_Sean> Really? Worked fine for me.
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[20:47] <jaggz|2> maybe it's slow 'cause it's doing addon updates in the background
[20:48] <winlu> when it did that it wasn't responsive at all :/
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[20:49] <lost_soul> I notice small(ish) lags when flipping through the UI of openelec if I have cover art showing or something but not really much if it is disabled
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[20:49] <lost_soul> surely can't complain for it being a $35 media center
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[20:51] <jaggz|2> yeah.. mine's locked up enough that my ssh session disconnected
[20:51] <jaggz|2> xbmc screen went to dark blue and it's all just sitting there
[20:51] <jaggz|2> why can't everything just be smooth?
[20:51] <winlu> also experienced some crashes while playback and using the menu, just was not satisfied at all when i started using it more
[20:52] <jaggz|2> yeah.. not an overly nice experience for me yet either :) would be nice to have the variety of addons available though
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[20:52] <lost_soul> jaggz|2: what are you using?
[20:52] <jaggz|2> now my ssh got in though.. yay..
[20:53] <jaggz|2> lost_soul: rpi b, rasbian, xbmc-standalone running from the xbmc recommended apt repository
[20:54] <lost_soul> jaggz|2: ah.... ever try OE to see if you like it better
[20:54] <jaggz|2> I tried the official openelec and it wouldn't boot.. but I can give it a shot (without fiddling with my sdcard partitions this time) :)
[20:54] <jaggz|2> will try now
[20:55] <lost_soul> jaggz|2: how long ago did you try?
[20:55] <jaggz|2> few days
[20:55] <lost_soul> ah, so you likely tried 4.0.7?
[20:55] <lost_soul> if you find that doesn't work, you could always try the legacy version 3.2.4
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[20:57] <jaggz|2> noooo
[20:57] <jaggz|2> no going backwards!
[20:58] <lost_soul> it isn't backwards... it's "legacy" :p
[20:58] <jaggz|2> :)
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[20:58] <jaggz|2> okay.. it's booting properly this time
[20:58] <jaggz|2> it's resizing itself
[20:58] <ShorTie> means the workin version, not the testing version
[20:59] <jaggz|2> ShorTie: ahhh
[20:59] <lost_soul> jaggz|2: I would, personally, disable rss feeds and displaying of cover art... see how it goes
[20:59] <jancsika> hello. On the B+ board, what is the slot labeled "display" and is there any documentation of it?
[21:00] <ShorTie> it's for some kind of future display, and there isn't any doc's i believe
[21:01] <jancsika> oh ok
[21:01] <IT_Sean> jancsika, it's the DSI port, for the foundations not yet released display module.
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[21:01] <jancsika> thanx ShorTie and IT_Sean
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[21:03] <jancsika> IT_Sean: any idea what kind of display it will be?
[21:04] <jancsika> lcs?
[21:04] <jancsika> oops
[21:04] <jancsika> lcd?
[21:04] <IT_Sean> it will be an LCD display. There is some info about the prototype on the raspi site, i believe, or in the forum.
[21:04] <shiftplusone> I've been playing around with it a little at pi towers.
[21:05] <shiftplusone> Getting the touchscreen going
[21:05] <IT_Sean> ooooooooooooh... i'd forgotten about the touch screen part.
[21:05] <shiftplusone> It looks pretty good
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[21:12] <Jusii> what size, about?
[21:13] <shiftplusone> I don't know what size the released model will be. That info should be out there somewhere though
[21:14] <IT_Sean> Is it gonna be small, like ~7" or so, or big, like 12" - 15"?
[21:15] <shiftplusone> If that info is not public, I probably shouldn't say.
[21:15] <IT_Sean> bugger
[21:16] <shiftplusone> The prototype from a while back seems to be 7 inches
[21:17] <shiftplusone> well, since that info is public, yeah, that's what I had in front of me. The 7" 800x480 display
[21:17] <shiftplusone> http://raspi.tv/2014/raspberry-pi-official-7-inch-dsi-prototype-preview
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[21:18] <Jusii> thanks
[21:19] <shiftplusone> np
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[21:25] <GamesOnAToaster> Good evening folks! Having some trouble streaming video from my Camera Module? What do you people use? Any help aprecciated, tutorials I find with google haven't worked for me so far.
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[21:26] <Szczepancio> Can I here get help to run Windows 95/98 on ARM based device using qemu?
[21:26] <Szczepancio> Someone did it, so I wanna try too.
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[21:26] <Szczepancio> Device is based on armhf cpu.
[21:26] <shiftplusone> GamesOnAToaster, people pipe it using netcat or gstreamer, depending on your needs.
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[21:27] <GamesOnAToaster> You see I have no idea what you said :D
[21:27] <PunIntended> Szczepancio: Did run Windows XP , not very usable.
[21:27] <shiftplusone> Szczepancio, I doubt you'd get support for that here, since it's mostly a waste of time. You can find lots of threads about it on the forum though.
[21:27] <Szczepancio> But, it's fun after all
[21:28] <Szczepancio> yeah, but i am stuck at one point
[21:28] <Szczepancio> I get "sector not found reading drive c" error.
[21:28] <Szczepancio> Or, ctrl-alt-del to shutdown.
[21:29] <PunIntended> Szczepancio: You are better off with ceonpi.codeplex.com . Has Flash and works with SPI to Ethernet and a serial mouse.
[21:29] <Szczepancio> I don't run this on rpi.
[21:30] <Szczepancio> I have ubuntu with lxde in chrooted environment under android
[21:30] <IT_Sean> you do know this channel is #raspberrypi, right?
[21:30] <Szczepancio> Yeah, but it's releated to arm. I don't see any arm-linux channels.
[21:31] <Szczepancio> Oh sorry, there is one about fedora for arm.
[21:32] <PunIntended> Szczepancio: Windows on Pi is useless except for PoCs.
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[21:32] <PunIntended> If you have the source code of your app,use Wine for ARM. Have a tar.gz link.
[21:33] <Szczepancio> PutIntended: Nice.
[21:33] <Szczepancio> PutIntended: Do you have x86-to-arm based wine (qemu version)?
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[21:34] <PunIntended> Szczepancio: Mine is an ARM native one with winegcc in the package.
[21:35] <PunIntended> (you can build if you have the source of your app)
[21:35] <Szczepancio> Meh, i don't need it.
[21:35] <Szczepancio> But thank's after all
[21:36] <Szczepancio> PutIntended: How it work's? Just interested.
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[21:37] <PunIntended> Szczepancio: Compiled PuTTY and Firefox with it. Quite complete.
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[21:42] <jaggz|2> once I have openelec up and running, and my network is working.. does it download a list of addons or do I need to get them as .zips ?
[21:42] <jaggz|2> I see it updating some addons
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[21:43] <jaggz|2> oh.. it seems to be working now.. yay. :)
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[21:51] <DanDare> GamesOnAToaster, I think that the first advice would be performing firmware updates. Pi team are always working on improvements, bug fixes etc... that usually came to us in the form of firmware updates. I'm kinda new to pi but firmware updates helped me already fixing hardware issues
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[21:54] <jaggz|2> okay.. "Earth Touch" and "Documentary.net" are labeled incompatible... possibly requiring dependencies...
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[21:55] <DanDare> I tried openlec briefly. I remember some references on config file saying to visit pi store to get keys to be able to decode formats. How it works? Must pay for keys or something?
[21:56] <IT_Sean> Exactly.
[21:56] <DanDare> IT_Sean, because of 'non-free' codecs ?
[21:56] <lennard> there are keys available for 2 additional formats
[21:56] <IT_Sean> Again, Exactly.
[21:56] <lennard> USD1 each, I think
[21:56] <DanDare> ok, thanks
[21:56] <lennard> or some similar low price :)
[21:56] <ppq> you have to pay to use hardware-accelerated encoding
[21:57] <ppq> err, decoding
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[21:57] <DanDare> IT_Sean, openlec can play h.264 videos out of the box or it needs some key ?
[21:57] <ppq> software-decoding using ffmpeg or something is free, of course
[21:57] <ppq> but it is not very performant
[21:57] <DanDare> ppq, the keys make the videos being hardware decoded ? is what you mean ?
[21:57] <ppq> yes
[21:58] <DanDare> cool
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[21:58] <ppq> i think it should be free. the MPEG people should make exceptions for the pi
[21:58] <teepee> DanDare: you don't need a key for h.264, only for mpeg2 or vc1 (microsoft)
[21:58] <shiftplusone> h.264 is icnlude
[21:58] <DanDare> ppq, agreed :D
[21:59] <DanDare> teepee, I see, thanks
[21:59] <shiftplusone> icnlude? I english good today O_o
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[22:00] <DanDare> "I cnduo't bvleiee taht I culod aulaclty uesdtannrd waht I was rdnaieg. Unisg the icndeblire pweor of the hmuan mnid, aocdcrnig to rseecrah at Cmabrigde Uinervtisy, it dseno't mttaer in waht oderr the lterets in a wrod are"
[22:00] <DanDare> :p
[22:01] <IT_Sean> DanDare, The official #raspberrypi Channel Language is English, not Drunken Scotsman. Thank you. :)
[22:01] <PunIntended> DanDare: Can you copy the original non-Chinese text ?
[22:03] <DanDare> PunIntended, "the only important thing is that the first and last lettre be in the right place"
[22:03] <DanDare> ouch
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[22:08] <GentileBen> IT_Sean: how's life in IT?
[22:08] <IT_Sean> I've not murdered anyone in the past hour
[22:08] <IT_Sean> so... average?
[22:11] <PunIntended> IT_Sean: Did you have to reboot a crashed daemon 5 times per day ?
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[22:12] <IT_Sean> That's not really my bag, dude.
[22:13] <shiftplusone> 'dude' is a thing people say?
[22:13] <IT_Sean> I'm a Tier II Technical Specialist for an email hosting provider. I don't reboot things. I leave that for the lowly Tier I loosers.
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[22:15] <PunIntended> Here in Orange , the heap is always full after a few days because of a problem in the garbage collector ( Java ).
[22:15] <IT_Sean> "Java" <-- There is your problem right there.
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[22:16] <PunIntended> IT_Sean: They are sparc64 servers on Solaris. Can't do much because no cq
[22:17] <PunIntended> * c compiler that I can use.
[22:18] <IT_Sean> Sounds like you are running a real pile of... ... antiquated equipment.
[22:19] <PunIntended> Anyway, they are now recoding their apps for Linux and x86_64, but still Java.
[22:20] <IT_Sean> blech
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[22:21] <PunIntended> There is some Red Hat servers now.
[22:22] * IT_Sean puts on his red Red Hat hat
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[22:44] <chmod1337> hi, is there a preconfigured image for rasp pi so i don't have to use monitor + keyboard and so i can directly start using it via ssh?
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[22:45] <chmod1337> or any other method to install the OS without attached monitor/keyboard?
[22:45] <pksato> you dont need to install OS, OS are pre instaled. (except fot noobs).
[22:45] <pksato> raspian have ssh enabled.
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[22:46] <chmod1337> ah
[22:46] <chmod1337> ok thx for info
[22:47] <ppq> if you want to install without keyboard and mouse, use the net-installer
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[22:47] <pksato> like other embedded, transfer imagem of disk with OS.
[22:47] <ppq> https://github.com/debian-pi/raspbian-ua-netinst
[22:48] <chmod1337> thx @ ppq, i was looking for that
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