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IRC Log for 2014-07-30

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[0:02] <jaggz|2> why's xbmc in openelec .. darkened and frozen?
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[0:03] <jaggz|2> how do I wake it up?
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[0:04] <jaggz|2> (I am ssh'ed in now)
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[0:09] <jaggz|2> I don't know if I had to, but I killed it and it re-ran itself .. :/ don't want to have to have family do that :)
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[0:19] <jaggz|2> what's a good xbmc addon to demonstrate how cool this is to my family... and myself?
[0:22] <[Saint]> I dunno...I happen to think the pi is a bit underperformant for a GUI based media box.
[0:22] <[Saint]> I've never really been happy with one in this use case.
[0:23] <hybr1d8> It's not an addon - but installing yatse (xbmc remote) on your android phone and then streaming a video or image right from your phone to the TV can be snazzy
[0:24] * [Saint] lets Chromecast take care of that one.
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[0:25] <hybr1d8> chromecast is snazzy but isn't as 'all-inclusive' as xbmc - particularly for those of us with dodgy net connections ;)
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[0:26] <[Saint]> I dunno - I happen to think that mirroring my Android device screen to a 50" tv is pretty bloody snazzy. ;)
[0:26] <[Saint]> That takes care of streaming local content too.
[0:27] <[Saint]> With a debian chroot and a VLC client on my Nexus 7, its damn near perfect.
[0:27] <[Saint]> *VNC, rather.
[0:28] <hybr1d8> VLC on android ain't bad either :P
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[0:34] <shiftplusone> kind of is
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[0:45] <MaX-BR> somebody knows how to use vnc to access the active screen on the raspberry pi running raspbian? I always need to know what is showing on the screen at the moment.
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[0:48] <[Saint]> MaX-BR: http://www.raspberrypi.org/forums/viewtopic.php?f=63&t=9118
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[0:58] <MaX-BR> Is it possible to do it on the raspbian?
[0:58] * cccy_RegeaneWolf is now known as cccyRegeaneWolfe
[0:59] <MaX-BR> Is it possible to do on the raspbian?*
[1:00] <ShorTie> tightvnc maybe ??
[1:00] <ShorTie> http://learn.adafruit.com/adafruit-raspberry-pi-lesson-7-remote-control-with-vnc/running-vncserver-at-startup
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[1:29] <rambo123456> hey fellas. So I'm running headless rpi with a wifi usb adapter. If I leave it on for a few days eventually the rpi crashes and I can't connect to it and I see that the adapter shows no light. How do I go about finding out what might be happening? any suggestions?
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[1:31] <[Saint]> sniff around in /var/log perhaps.
[1:31] <[Saint]> That behaviour is definitely abnormal.
[1:31] <ShorTie> and how are you starting your wifi ??
[1:31] <[Saint]> It /potentially/ points to power issues.
[1:32] <[Saint]> ShorTie: it shouldn;t matter how its started. Once its up, in theory, it should stay up.
[1:32] <ShorTie> wifi will drop out and you need something/someway to reconnect
[1:32] <rambo123456> I was wondering if it might be power. maybe if I switch to a wired connection it might help with power
[1:32] <[Saint]> it _shouldn't_ drop out at all.
[1:33] <[Saint]> If that's happening, you've got deeper issues.
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[1:33] <[Saint]> At this stage I'd just sniff around in the system logs and see if it shows anything obvious.
[1:34] <ShorTie> i would suggest trying wicd-curses
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[1:34] <rambo123456> I'm not familiar with linux system logs. looks like there is a bunch of stuff in var/log... not sure where to start
[1:36] <rambo123456> is wicd-curses a wifi setup tool? the wifi was already up for a while.. and it stayed up for maybe a day or so.
[1:38] <[Saint]> grep syslog for "wifi"
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[1:38] <[Saint]> and/or wlan0
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[1:39] <ShorTie> Yes wicd-curses is a way to setup wifi, it will reconnect if the connection drops out unlike using /etc/network/interfaces
[1:39] <rambo123456> ShorTie: ah.
[1:40] <rambo123456> [Saint]: thanks let me try taking a quick peek at syslog
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[1:41] <ShorTie> if your using /etc/network/interfaces, then you need a ping utility of some fasion to reconnect
[1:42] * [Saint] likes systemctl so damn much
[1:42] <[Saint]> nmcli, then start NetworkManager as a service...bam.
[1:42] <[Saint]> Done.
[1:43] <[Saint]> auto-up/reconnect, with hotplugging, without having to care about _any_ of it.
[1:44] <[Saint]> "nmcli dev wifi connect SSID_GOES_HERE password PASSWORD_GOES_HERE"
[1:44] <ShorTie> you mean unplug the wifi and plug it back in ??
[1:45] <[Saint]> yes, with automaticly switching to eth0 if present.
[1:45] <rambo123456> woot?
[1:45] <ShorTie> boy, that could be a real pain in the neck
[1:46] <[Saint]> meh, if there's eth there, it may as well use it.
[1:46] <ShorTie> i'd have to go get a ladder, drag it down the driveway, climb up, open case just to get to it, lol.
[1:46] <abnormal> rambo123456, try getting an Adafruit power supply... those are dependable....
[1:46] <rambo123456> [Saint]: wicd-curses, systemctl, nmcli, NetworkManager...... man... I have some research to do
[1:46] * [Saint] notes that he can also freely switch between wifi and eth _without_ hotplugging. :)
[1:47] <[Saint]> rambo123456: systemctl is an Arch-ism.
[1:47] <[Saint]> you debian guys get the wonderful (snigger) systemd
[1:48] <[Saint]> (well...Arch has this too, but, yay systemctl)
[1:48] <ShorTie> l00k at wicd-curses 1st, hehe.
[1:49] <ShorTie> but that is just mho
[1:49] * [Saint] does the nmcli dance.
[1:49] <rambo123456> ah... well I'm easing into the rpi with raspbian.
[1:49] <abnormal> yay
[1:49] <abnormal> most dependable OS for pi
[1:49] <[Saint]> That's simply not true.
[1:50] <rambo123456> abnormal: I got the CanaKit starter kit..
[1:50] <abnormal> ok, rambo123456 , is your Pi from UK?
[1:51] * [Saint] also has a CanaKit kit...but doubts the two are related.
[1:51] <rambo123456> abnormal: I have no idea. I went to amazon and ordered the CanaKit..
[1:51] <[Saint]> Mine is a hydroponic kit for growing cana...tomatoes.
[1:51] <[Saint]> Yeah...
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[1:52] <ShorTie> raspbian has the most special sauce for the pi
[1:52] <abnormal> ok, can you look at the Pi and see if u have "Made in the UK" on the board? rambo123456
[1:52] <[Saint]> Why does that even make a difference?
[1:52] <abnormal> yes it does, ShorTie
[1:53] <abnormal> cuz, some are made in China
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[1:53] <[Saint]> Again - why does that make a difference.
[1:53] <rambo123456> abnormal: yes it says made in the UK
[1:53] <[Saint]> hint: don't you dare claim inferiority
[1:53] <[Saint]> ...don't you dare.
[1:54] <rambo123456> abnormal: why do you think thats relevant? power source rating is different between UK/US?
[1:55] <[Saint]> its not relevant at all.
[1:55] <abnormal> good, rambo123456 .... now you need to get an Adafruit power supply for it. and if you use a wireless dongle with the pi you need to plug that into a powered USB hub.
[1:55] <Syliss> uk is better than china
[1:55] <[Saint]> Ohhhh...piss off.
[1:55] <abnormal> no pi is made in the us..
[1:55] <abnormal> correct, Syliss
[1:56] <Syliss> lol
[1:56] <[Saint]> You have to be kidding me. The components are still largely China made.
[1:56] <[Saint]> Like pretty much EVERYTHING in the electronics inductry.
[1:56] <Syliss> i thought we were just talking about the countries
[1:56] <Syliss> hahahaha
[1:56] <[Saint]> You're just spreading FUD>
[1:56] <Syliss> it doesnt matter where they are made
[1:56] <rambo123456> my take is that Saint is from UK? lol
[1:57] <abnormal> depends on whos assembling the flipping Pi's!!!
[1:57] <[Saint]> Again. Its irrelevant.
[1:57] <[Saint]> Stop spreading fud.
[1:57] <Syliss> mine is older, i have a v1
[1:57] <Syliss> so doesnt matter to me
[1:57] <abnormal> cool
[1:57] <abnormal> I have four of them
[1:57] <abnormal> and one BBB
[1:57] <[Saint]> If you have some bias against Chinese made electronics, you're gonna have a /reeeeeeeeeeally/ bad time in life.
[1:58] <abnormal> thank you
[1:58] <[Saint]> For what, totally disagreeing with you?
[1:58] <[Saint]> Errr..ok.
[1:58] <abnormal> I'll enjoy it too..
[2:00] <abnormal> anyways, it's always best to make sure the Pi is supplied correctly and any extras are supported by a powered USB hub. rambo123456
[2:00] <[Saint]> That varies wildly with use case.
[2:01] <[Saint]> If all you're running is a wireless dongle, the pi's supply is more than adequate.
[2:01] <abnormal> also, rambo123456 , is your Pi in a case??
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[2:02] <rambo123456> abnormal: its in an open case tied to some expansion board
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[2:04] <abnormal> Saint, I had two WiPi's and burned them up... It's because they couldn't hand the constant data going thru them, so I bought all four Pi's the Ourlink wireless dongles, the long ones, and they work all the time...
[2:04] <[Saint]> Good for you.
[2:04] * [Saint] is unsure why he should care about this to be honest
[2:05] <abnormal> I see, rambo123456 , is the expansion board supplied with separate power supply?
[2:05] <ShorTie> interesting, never heard of burning a pi up by too much data thru put
[2:05] <[Saint]> ShorTie: take it with a grain of salt. ;)
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[2:06] <abnormal> NO, ShorTie , the WiPi wireless dongles!!!
[2:06] <[Saint]> !!!
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[2:07] <abnormal> ShorTie, the little white dongles that stick into the USB port is what I burned up, not the Pi itself...
[2:07] <rambo123456> abnormal: no... but its just a breadboard tied to the gpio strip on the pi. the only thing I have on the expansion board is a led tied to one gpio... (with resistor to ground)
[2:08] <abnormal> Ok, rambo123456 , suggestion: get a PiFace and plug that in then hook the breadboard to the PiFace.
[2:10] <abnormal> the PiFace saves your Pi from mistakes
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[2:11] <ShorTie> it's best to power down, if not unplug the pi before playing with the gpio and wires and stuff
[2:11] <abnormal> verie true, ShorTie , but sometimes ppl forget to powerdown...
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[2:12] <rambo123456> yes. the canakit came with sometime similar... it comes with a ribbon cable that I can then plug into the breadboard.
[2:12] <abnormal> so the PiFace prevents that from happening, ShorTie
[2:13] <abnormal> well, rambo123456 , I have one of those too, but it won't keep you from frying the Pi...
[2:15] <abnormal> Probably the best way to go is get the Gert board... it's bullet proof...
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[2:15] <rambo123456> abnormal: yea... I have done scary things while debugging. at least the pi is not "fried"... I just turned back on and can connect to it. I don't see anything that jumps out in the logs
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[2:16] <abnormal> the Gert board definately "saves" the Pi...
[2:17] <ShorTie> i like perf board
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[2:18] <ShorTie> and an old floopy cable
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[2:31] <abnormal> I have floppy discs... lots of them...
[2:32] <ShorTie> think i got 1 180k 5 1/4" left, rest i've trashed .. :/~
[2:33] <abnormal> I used to have the 8" discs... lol
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[3:26] <pothibo> Some GPIO pin I use are set to Output mode and 0 means open... is it because of the pull direction?
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[3:35] <DanDare> pothibo, using pull-up pr pull-down doesn't make much sense for pin in output configuration
[3:36] <DanDare> pothibo, you need them usually with pins as inputs
[3:36] <pothibo> then why is it turn off when I set it to high then?
[3:36] <DanDare> pothibo, if you set a pin as output and set is as HIGH, it must read 1
[3:37] <DanDare> *must be 1 (3.3V)
[3:38] <DanDare> pothibo, but really, im not sure if its possible to set pull-up or pull-down for pins acting as output on pi (im new to pi)
[3:38] <pothibo> DanDare but I have relays and they are open even if it's turned off
[3:38] <pothibo> (I'm all confused...)
[3:39] <pothibo> Actually, I set pins to Output mode when launching the pi and I have 3 gpios connected to relay that activate them
[3:39] <DanDare> pothibo, check your circuit, maybe the problem is somewhere else. do you have a multimeter? or attach just a led to the pin to make sure its acting as you want
[3:39] <pothibo> I have led connected to the relay
[3:39] <pothibo> and they light up when the pi is booted up
[3:40] <DanDare> pothibo, connect the led directly into the pin (with a series resistor course), and start debugging from there
[3:40] <pothibo> DanDare ok nevermind that's not helping me
[3:40] <DanDare> alright, im sorry
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[3:50] <abnormal> hi icecube45 , are you on the rocks???
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[3:50] <icecube45> hello
[3:50] <icecube45> I don't believe so
[3:51] <abnormal> well then you must be melting...
[3:51] <icecube45> yup
[3:52] <abnormal> so you got warm?
[3:52] <icecube45> yup
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[3:53] <abnormal> hmmm.. sorry... need an air conditioner??
[3:53] <icecube45> nope
[3:53] <icecube45> have an otterpop
[3:53] <icecube45> forgot how gross some of the flavors are
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[3:53] <abnormal> lol
[3:54] <DanDare> im trying the raspbian netinst. rpi-update will work as expected installing system this way ?
[3:54] <abnormal> for some reason my Pi can't connect to spotchat IRC
[3:55] <abnormal> yes, you have to udate, then upgrade after the install..
[3:55] <DanDare> nice, thanks abnormal
[3:56] <abnormal> yw
[3:57] <DanDare> im trying to state if using a real separate partition for swap would have any benefit instead of the swap file
[3:58] <DanDare> i think it can be good of filesystem gets too fragmented. but them, not sure if it really matters using SD cards
[3:59] <DanDare> *if filesystem
[4:02] <koell> is there a 'pi case with integrated display? i've seen once and thought if it is an all-in-one case then
[4:02] <koell> btw what happened with hdmipi?
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[4:05] <abnormal> only thing I've seen is the PiFace that has the display on it..
[4:05] <koell> wow this looks already cute :3 http://hdmipi.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/07/HDMIPi-in-case-rev4_1500.jpg
[4:06] <abnormal> ok. I'll peek at it...
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[4:08] <b4tm4n> I just bought a raspberry pi b+ and a case - has anyone found the heatsinks to be worthwhile?
[4:09] <koell> b4tm4n: just marketing foo :P
[4:09] <b4tm4n> not worthwhile then? even with a case?
[4:10] <koell> they just sink a few C°, not worth imho
[4:10] <koell> i've them as well, terrible to set up
[4:11] <b4tm4n> koell, did you put them on anything other than the processor?
[4:11] <b4tm4n> i just watched a youtube vid where it dropped the temp by 3 deg C
[4:11] <DanDare> ARM gets not so hot... but it gets kinda hot (at the point to cause some pain but not hurt). My pi came with the heatsink so I just sticked em there :)
[4:12] <DanDare> the USB hub can be hotter than the ARM itself I guess
[4:12] <b4tm4n> on the b+ it looks like the only real place to put them is on the processor and the Ethernet processor
[4:14] <DanDare> theres Ethernet processor? So I may be mixing ethernet processor with USB hub. Not sure really if thats a USB hub or what (plain B here)
[4:14] <koell> i think if your pi is overheating, 3 C doesnt matter anymore :D
[4:15] <b4tm4n> DanDare, http://www.raspberrypi.org/wp-content/uploads/2014/07/rsz_b-.jpg
[4:15] <pksato> b4tm4n: rpi not need heatsinks. and if put on on top of main chip, you cooling memory. not the cpu.
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[4:15] <b4tm4n> DanDare, the LAN9514 is a ethernet and usb controller
[4:15] <DanDare> pksato, true ...
[4:15] <DanDare> ok
[4:16] <koell> a better idea would be to use a small tiny fan powered from the gpio. i've seen a project which puts on the fan itself
[4:16] <DanDare> maybe for people interested in overclocking then
[4:16] <b4tm4n> ok, no heatsinks then, but if mine overheats, i'm blaming you :)
[4:17] <koell> xD
[4:17] <MaX-BR> model b+ is too faster than b?
[4:17] <pksato> just dont put inside a oven. :)
[4:18] <b4tm4n> koell, i don't think it's faster, but it has lower power consumption 4 USB and now used microSD
[4:18] <b4tm4n> uses*
[4:18] * koell sticks heatsinks on his head. puhhh, now im feeling cooler
[4:18] <MaX-BR> but has more ram, right?
[4:18] <koell> no
[4:18] <koell> all the same, just marketing foo :D
[4:19] <DanDare> I got pi model B using between 300 ~ 400mA without anything attached
[4:19] <koell> i wouldnt buy one, most of the cases and other things made for the B
[4:19] <MaX-BR> and the new one uses around...?
[4:19] <DanDare> MaX-BR, but B+ is really worthy if compared to B
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[4:19] <DanDare> MaX-BR, I dont know, dont have any B+
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[4:20] <koell> i've the B- =(
[4:20] <MaX-BR> i understood
[4:20] <MaX-BR> i have about 13 model b
[4:21] <MaX-BR> kkkkkk
[4:21] <koell> O_o
[4:21] <koell> what ya doing with em?
[4:21] <DanDare> i have this problem with stuff not working as expected so i desoldered the USB connector, ripped of the 5V from its normal route to be directly attached to PS. it was kinda stressing
[4:21] <MaX-BR> i use them at work
[4:21] <koell> you're a hosting company? :D
[4:21] <MaX-BR> i've made a project
[4:21] <MaX-BR> no
[4:22] <MaX-BR> i work at a toll company
[4:22] <koell> toll...
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[4:22] <MaX-BR> how i will explain
[4:23] <koell> xD
[4:23] <MaX-BR> peaje in spanish
[4:23] <MaX-BR> kkkkkkk
[4:23] <koell> kkkkkkkk
[4:23] <koell> :D
[4:24] <MaX-BR> toll on the road
[4:24] <MaX-BR> get money from people to fix the road
[4:24] <koell> oh
[4:24] <MaX-BR> every car that pass across our tolls
[4:24] <koell> so you use pi's outside?
[4:24] <MaX-BR> pay a tax to use the road
[4:24] <koell> count cars? ^^
[4:25] <MaX-BR> too, ahahahaha
[4:25] <MaX-BR> not
[4:25] <koell> so the pi recognize if they paid? if not they get shooten? :D
[4:25] <MaX-BR> i've made a project to show messages on tvs
[4:26] <MaX-BR> show informations along the road, on gas stations, restaurants
[4:26] <MaX-BR> i use mysql replication and apache with php
[4:26] <koell> with gps?
[4:27] <MaX-BR> jquery
[4:27] <MaX-BR> no
[4:27] <koell> how is the road in spain?
[4:27] <MaX-BR> only show messages, informations i add in the system
[4:27] <MaX-BR> and the database replicate acording the place
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[4:28] <MaX-BR> people drive cars on the road and pay to my company to pass across the toll. with the money we fix the road, streets and other things
[4:29] <MaX-BR> we have emergency service for the people
[4:29] <MaX-BR> mechanics
[4:29] <MaX-BR> do you understood what we are?
[4:30] <koell> yep
[4:30] <MaX-BR> right
[4:30] <koell> autobahn :D
[4:31] <MaX-BR> and we put a lot of tvs with raspberry along the road, in various cities
[4:31] <MaX-BR> autobahn?
[4:31] <[Saint]> That type of thing is hard to understand for some people, for instance, in some locales the maintenance of the roads falls solely on the Government and is partially subsidized by taxation of property owners.
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[4:32] <MaX-BR> yes
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[4:32] <[Saint]> The very few tolls we do have here are paid automatically when the vehicle registration is paid.
[4:33] <MaX-BR> our roads the government take care is very bad in Brail
[4:33] <[Saint]> cameras on the motorway just scan for the vehicle license plate.
[4:33] <[Saint]> Ah. brazil.
[4:33] <[Saint]> Enough said.
[4:33] <[Saint]> :)
[4:33] <MaX-BR> yes, all true
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[4:33] <MaX-BR> i am from Brazil
[4:33] <MaX-BR> ;)
[4:34] <[Saint]> Lots of extremes there.
[4:34] <[Saint]> Extreme wealth, and, not very far away at all, extreme poverty.
[4:34] <MaX-BR> here people buy tags rfid and put on their cars to pass without stop and pay only in the end of the month
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[4:35] * [Saint] nods
[4:35] <koell> the fifa should pay the roads in brazil!
[4:35] <MaX-BR> kkkkkkkkk
[4:35] <koell> :D
[4:35] <MaX-BR> Brazil government is very bad
[4:36] <[Saint]> I would be very surprised if hosting the World Cup wouldn't actually *cost* Brazil a substantial amount.
[4:36] <[Saint]> Rather than making an income.
[4:36] <MaX-BR> a lot of theft
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[4:36] <MaX-BR> i think so
[4:36] <MaX-BR> but the population only lost
[4:37] <MaX-BR> and the government gain a lot of money
[4:37] <MaX-BR> gets
[4:37] <[Saint]> +
[4:37] <[Saint]> oops
[4:38] <MaX-BR> i like to live here, but some day i want to go abroad to live and work with IT
[4:39] <koell> do you already have dual core cpu's there?
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[4:39] <[Saint]> ...o_o
[4:39] <MaX-BR> what?
[4:39] <koell> kkkkkk xD
[4:39] <koell> how is it to live there? allday hot?
[4:40] <MaX-BR> yes, but nowadays are cold
[4:40] <MaX-BR> very cold, but only about 3C
[4:40] <[Saint]> eek.
[4:41] <[Saint]> *I* was going to say its cold...and its 14C here. :)
[4:41] <MaX-BR> negative?
[4:41] <[Saint]> No, +14C...but its cold for me. :)
[4:41] <MaX-BR> yes
[4:41] <[Saint]> Overnight, -2C.
[4:41] <MaX-BR> where are u from?
[4:41] <[Saint]> New Zealand.
[4:42] <[Saint]> Currently Winter here, so today is actually quite a good day.
[4:42] <MaX-BR> last year snowed here
[4:42] <MaX-BR> good ;p
[4:42] <MaX-BR> new zealand songs a good place to live
[4:44] <[Saint]> Its getting very expensive to live here. :-/
[4:45] <MaX-BR> a lot of brazilians there?
[4:46] <[Saint]> Quite a few.
[4:47] <MaX-BR> ;
[4:47] <MaX-BR> ;)
[4:47] <MaX-BR> what you do there?
[4:47] <DanDare> MaX-BR, hey, so are you the guy who's stealing my money? :)
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[4:47] <DanDare> oh
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[4:48] <MaX-BR> my irc client crashes
[4:48] <MaX-BR> :/
[4:48] <DanDare> MaX-BR, did you got that? are you the guy who's stealing my money? :)
[4:48] <[Saint]> Electrical systems installation, home/business network/VOIP, home theatre installs, etc.
[4:48] <MaX-BR> what DanDare? kkkk
[4:49] <DanDare> cause I need to pay IPVA and those guys = paying twice :p
[4:49] <MaX-BR> i understood, cool
[4:49] <MaX-BR> no
[4:49] <MaX-BR> ipva goes to the government
[4:50] <DanDare> yeah, we pay twice, to gov and to the enterprises. not funny at all
[4:50] <MaX-BR> my company get a tax only from people that use our roads
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[4:50] <MaX-BR> yes
[4:50] <MaX-BR> i hate to pay ipva and this thins
[4:50] <MaX-BR> things
[4:50] <koell> so the roads in brazil are private??
[4:51] <MaX-BR> about 950 dollars a year
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[4:51] <DanDare> koell, yes and no. We pay large amounts of money to gov yet pay once more for some private roads
[4:51] <MaX-BR> only some roads, not at all
[4:51] <MaX-BR> yes
[4:52] <MaX-BR> :s
[4:53] <MaX-BR> DanDare, what do u do and where are u from?
[4:54] <DanDare> MaX-BR, im from Brazil :)
[4:54] <DanDare> im engineer
[4:54] <MaX-BR> cool
[4:54] <MaX-BR> what city .
[4:54] <MaX-BR> ?
[4:54] <DanDare> BHZ
[4:54] <DanDare> you ?
[4:54] <MaX-BR> Bahia?
[4:54] <DanDare> cool !
[4:54] <DanDare> i love Bahia
[4:54] <MaX-BR> you are from Bahia?
[4:55] <DanDare> no.. minas
[4:55] <MaX-BR> no, i am from parana/santa catarina
[4:55] <DanDare> oh I see
[4:55] <MaX-BR> i work from arteris, autopista planalto sul
[4:56] <MaX-BR> work to*
[4:56] <DanDare> ok.
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[4:56] <DanDare> MaX-BR, raspberry pi's working reliably on the TVs there? no issues etc ?
[4:56] <MaX-BR> u work with raspberry pi ? or only hobbi?
[4:56] <DanDare> nah, computer/electronics and stuff just hobby
[4:57] <MaX-BR> cool
[4:57] <MaX-BR> its not so safe
[4:57] <koell> i would use a pi as my main station, if there is a command line browser with css support :D
[4:57] <DanDare> whats not safe ?
[4:57] <MaX-BR> but its cheap and very open
[4:58] <MaX-BR> because some times it corrupt the system
[4:58] <MaX-BR> and i need to reinstall
[4:58] <DanDare> hmm
[4:59] <DanDare> maybe check power source youre using. Just a wild guess anyway... im just new to pi
[4:59] <MaX-BR> i bought only autentic parts
[5:00] <MaX-BR> but i think its only software issues
[5:00] <MaX-BR> mysql or apache,maybe
[5:00] <DanDare> i may be blatantly wrong but my first tests show me pi model B has not very good protection against noise/fluctuations on the power part of the circuit
[5:00] <MaX-BR> this week i am going to do a lot of tests to identify issues
[5:01] <DanDare> thus, maybe, susceptible to problems like data corruptions, reboots and stuff (its my guess at least)
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[5:01] <DanDare> MaX-BR, and seems that model B+ is much better in regard to these issues
[5:01] <MaX-BR> when i reboot the system, not aleays the system corrupt
[5:02] <DanDare> well, fortunately
[5:02] <MaX-BR> yes, i have plans to buy a model b plus
[5:03] <MaX-BR> but i cant buy it on Brasil yet
[5:03] <DanDare> MaX-BR, yeah I know. I did look there also, still not available
[5:03] <MaX-BR> yes
[5:04] <MaX-BR> i have installed the system on a usb drive
[5:04] <[Saint]> regarding corruption - databases and sdcards aren't really friends.
[5:04] <MaX-BR> and the sd card only to boot
[5:04] <[Saint]> especially if combined with sudden power loss.
[5:04] <DanDare> [Saint], true.
[5:04] <[Saint]> MaX-BR: aha - yes, that's how I set my raspis up as well.
[5:05] <[Saint]> I don't trust the / partition on an sdcard
[5:05] <MaX-BR> the performance increased a lor
[5:05] <MaX-BR> a lot
[5:05] <[Saint]> I just have a tiny 16MB sdcard for /boot
[5:05] <DanDare> SD cards arent the best option to intense data transactions. small lifetime for this type of ue
[5:05] <DanDare> *use
[5:05] <MaX-BR> its great
[5:06] <MaX-BR> and use raspbian?
[5:06] <DanDare> USB flash sticks are any better/reliable than SD cards ?
[5:07] <[Saint]> Another setup I use is a small /boot partition on sdcard, a small read only backup of the root partition on sdcard, and then pivot into a RAMdisk immediately after booting.
[5:07] <MaX-BR> ismuch better in my opinion
[5:07] <[Saint]> Then make a copy of the root partition again before shutdown.
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[5:08] <[Saint]> On those systems I use a tiny busybox based install.
[5:08] <MaX-BR> busybox?
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[5:08] <[Saint]> its a single binary that provides a range of basic unix tools.
[5:08] <MaX-BR> i dont know wht busybox is
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[5:09] <[Saint]> http://www.busybox.net/
[5:09] <MaX-BR> i need to use apache, php, jquery and mysql
[5:09] <MaX-BR> i think the best solution is the raspbian
[5:09] <MaX-BR> but i dont know
[5:09] <DanDare> javascripts
[5:10] <[Saint]> Raspbian is too bloated IMO.
[5:10] <DanDare> MaX-BR, i think its cool for simpler stuff, but still testing it also
[5:10] <[Saint]> If you want a very small Raspbian based image, use https://github.com/debian-pi/raspbian-ua-netinst
[5:10] <DanDare> [Saint], i just installed the raspbian netinst version, its looking fair
[5:10] <[Saint]> The default raspbian image comes with too much stuff you'll almost certainly never use.
[5:11] <MaX-BR> hummm
[5:11] <MaX-BR> yes
[5:11] <MaX-BR> i always need to do an apt-get purge a lot of apps
[5:11] * [Saint] uses Arch, personally
[5:12] <DanDare> i got the impression the netinst version is much faster on regard disk I/O jobs.. but them it may be just the SD card (using a different one for the netinst)
[5:12] <MaX-BR> i download the .img file from raspbian website and import to the usb and sd
[5:13] <MaX-BR> how i can install the raspbian from netinst?
[5:13] <[Saint]> DanDare: possibly also less overhead from the lack of the bajillion other processes that aren't running
[5:13] <[Saint]> MaX-BR: see the link above
[5:14] <DanDare> [Saint], I see. It makes sense
[5:14] <MaX-BR> ooooo
[5:14] <[Saint]> There's a detailed README
[5:14] <MaX-BR> sorry
[5:14] <[Saint]> np
[5:14] <MaX-BR> i didnt see
[5:14] <MaX-BR> im going to see
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[5:15] <DanDare> MaX-BR, just unzip files to a FAT32 SD and boot from pi. It will get some IP from dhcp and install the base system, with ssh server UP
[5:15] <DanDare> *ssh after the install
[5:15] <MaX-BR> so easy
[5:15] <DanDare> hell yeah
[5:15] <MaX-BR> cool
[5:16] <MaX-BR> but, u can use graphical interface?
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[5:16] <[Saint]> In you install one.
[5:16] <[Saint]> *If you
[5:16] <DanDare> MaX-BR, sure. Just install one. full raspbian one uses LXDE
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[5:16] <MaX-BR> whats the better one?
[5:17] <DanDare> for pi, only lightweight ones
[5:17] <MaX-BR> nowadays i am using midori
[5:17] <DanDare> is midori a window manager?
[5:17] <MaX-BR> how browser
[5:18] <MaX-BR> no, a browser
[5:18] <DanDare> hmm, now with pi, should start learning Qt
[5:18] <MaX-BR> qt?
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[5:18] <DanDare> a program language, to build graphical interfaces
[5:19] <MaX-BR> maybe
[5:19] <MaX-BR> i dont have much time
[5:19] <MaX-BR> kkkkkkk
[5:19] <MaX-BR> because i work with databases nd web programming
[5:20] <DanDare> time is really scarce
[5:20] <DanDare> thats why my projects takes so looong :D
[5:20] <MaX-BR> nd take care of the systems of my cmpany
[5:20] <MaX-BR> kkkkkkkk
[5:20] <MaX-BR> its sux
[5:20] <MaX-BR> what type of work u do?
[5:21] <DanDare> unless i start the "insane mode" and cut sleep and other stuff to make things happen
[5:21] <DanDare> but thats not usual
[5:21] <MaX-BR> hahahhahaha
[5:21] <MaX-BR> sleep is a necessary bad
[5:22] <MaX-BR> i think about this too, kkkkk
[5:22] <DanDare> this year i was in a hurry. needed to learn php,css,javascript and other stuff to put something up
[5:22] <DanDare> MaX-BR, i work on the environmental area
[5:22] <MaX-BR> i know this languages
[5:22] <MaX-BR> jquery helps a lot
[5:23] <DanDare> col. CSS is damn confusing
[5:23] <MaX-BR> cool
[5:23] <DanDare> yeah, sure. jquery is so good
[5:23] <MaX-BR> css is boring
[5:23] <MaX-BR> kkkkk
[5:23] <DanDare> i like doing stuff with css
[5:23] <DanDare> after passed the hard part of trying to understand it :D
[5:23] <MaX-BR> css let u a lot of job
[5:23] <MaX-BR> and spend a lot of time doing simple things
[5:24] <MaX-BR> kkkkk
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[5:24] <DanDare> yeah... tables doesn't serve for web pages these days
[5:24] <MaX-BR> nowadays i learn how to do good things with css, and quickly
[5:24] <MaX-BR> tableless is cool
[5:25] <MaX-BR> flot divs and all
[5:25] <MaX-BR> o//
[5:25] <DanDare> MaX-BR, the interface is the harder part imo. part where you must be very efficient in dealing user's expectations etc
[5:26] <MaX-BR> yes
[5:26] <MaX-BR> in my opinion is the more difficult part
[5:26] <MaX-BR> most
[5:26] <DanDare> agreed
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[5:27] <MaX-BR> i like but i spend a lot of time planning design
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[5:27] <DanDare> MaX-BR, i like mapping applications... its a awesome area
[5:27] <MaX-BR> but some this week i need to do a lot of tests in raspberry boards
[5:27] <MaX-BR> i developed a web page to run on it
[5:28] <MaX-BR> mapping apps?
[5:28] <DanDare> i start with: having it the simpler as possible.. than tweak the visual
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[5:28] <DanDare> MaX-BR, yeah like google maps and stuff
[5:28] <MaX-BR> agreed
[5:28] <MaX-BR> yes, but i dont like to work with it
[5:29] <MaX-BR> but is amazing
[5:29] <DanDare> MaX-BR, your company not interested in some real time, tracking system for stuff in the highways? :D
[5:30] <MaX-BR> i like systems at all
[5:30] <MaX-BR> we have a track system to our cars
[5:30] <DanDare> thats useful
[5:31] <MaX-BR> a lot
[5:31] <MaX-BR> speed control
[5:31] <MaX-BR> and this things
[5:31] <DanDare> speed control on cars ?
[5:31] <DanDare> I mean, actively controlling it?
[5:31] <MaX-BR> whats the name of our company?
[5:31] <MaX-BR> your*
[5:32] <DanDare> MaX-BR, well.. mind if we talk in private then? :p
[5:32] <MaX-BR> no speed control, only get reports of speed of cars usually run
[5:33] <DanDare> I see. the radars
[5:33] <MaX-BR> radars too
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[5:58] <b4tm4n> when i power on my pi nothing ever happens - the green ACT flashes once, but never again
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[5:59] <phire> b4tm4n, what do you have on the sdcard?
[5:59] <b4tm4n> i have tried kali and raspbian
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[6:00] <phire> freshly flashed to the card?
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[6:01] <b4tm4n> yes
[6:02] <b4tm4n> yesterday, brand new pi - first time turning it on
[6:02] <phire> sd card might be incomparable
[6:03] <phire> I had an sd card which suddenly decided it was incompatible with my pi one day.
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[6:04] <b4tm4n> i have been trying 2 different cards
[6:05] <b4tm4n> one is a 8 GB and one is 32GB
[6:05] <phire> how are you flashing the image to the cards, do they work in another pi?
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[6:06] <b4tm4n> i used win32 thingy recommended from raspberrypi.org
[6:06] <b4tm4n> i do not have another pi to test them in
[6:06] <b4tm4n> the kali image booted once or twice
[6:06] <b4tm4n> but not reliably
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[6:07] <phire> weird
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[6:09] <b4tm4n> bad pi?
[6:10] <b4tm4n> the only keyboard i could find is one that has a card reader in it - that wont' draw to much power will it?
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[6:11] <phire> does it boot without the keyboard?
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[6:12] <b4tm4n> not reliably
[6:13] <b4tm4n> but the only times it has booted is without the keyboard
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[6:13] <phire> could be a power supply issue
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[6:14] <b4tm4n> return?
[6:15] <b4tm4n> on the pi or the cable?
[6:16] <phire> what are you using to supply power?
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[6:17] <b4tm4n> 5V 2A adapter from easyacc - highly rated on amazon
[6:17] <b4tm4n> http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B00A9PO5AM/ref=oh_aui_detailpage_o03_s01?ie=UTF8&psc=1
[6:18] <phire> you can try plugging it into a computer for power
[6:19] <phire> would disprove any issues with the power supply
[6:19] <b4tm4n> ok, i will try that, thanks
[6:19] <nerdboy> works with keyboard/hdmi/ethernet on 700 mA here
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[6:20] <nerdboy> also with that plus bt dongle, but just barely...
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[6:22] <phire> I have a pi, 4 port usb hub, usb 2 serial converter, gps and ethernet drawing just 550mA
[6:23] <phire> 600mA under load
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[6:24] <b4tm4n> ok
[6:25] <b4tm4n> well, same issues with different supply
[6:25] <b4tm4n> the raspbian image did boot, but stopped at a kernel it
[6:25] <b4tm4n> init
[6:26] <b4tm4n> i waited a couple minutes and it never moved
[6:26] <b4tm4n> better to flash with linux?
[6:27] <b4tm4n> is it likely that the images on the sd cards has been corrupted?
[6:28] <phire> it's possible it was corrupted when you downloaded it
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[6:34] <b4tm4n> is it better to flash with windows or linux?
[6:35] <phire> I always do linux, it's easy to just use dd
[6:36] <b4tm4n> ok, i'll try that next
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[6:36] <b4tm4n> thanks for the help
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[9:25] <pepijndevos_> Since the raspi doesn;t have a power button, I sometimes just pull the plug. This leads to a warning to run fsck, but running fsck leads to an even bigger warning that the fs is mounted.
[9:25] <pepijndevos_> So what is this all about and what is the right thing to do?
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[9:30] <ShorTie> the right thing is to shut it down properly with 'shutdown now -h'
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[9:31] <ShorTie> if you are getting that fsck error, i believe you have corrupted your file system
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[10:28] <gordonDrogon> not always, but it's good to make sure.
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[10:29] <gordonDrogon> pepijndevos_, if you can, just run sudo reboot and check the messages at boot time. it's likely to be the first partition that the complaints are about - if so, then you can mostly ignore it.
[10:29] <gordonDrogon> and yes, you get warnings about running fsck on a mounted filesystem - doing that is really not a good idea.
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[10:30] <Tenebrous> morning hackerz
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[10:30] <Tenebrous> anyone had any luck 'moving' the on-board leds to a case etc?
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[10:30] <gordonDrogon> Tenebrous, use light pipes?
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[10:32] <Tenebrous> ah brilliant, they generally work well?
[10:32] <gordonDrogon> no idea - never used them.
[10:32] <gordonDrogon> I think one case out there does use them though.
[10:32] <Tenebrous> ah nice, i'll get googlin'
[10:32] <Tenebrous> ty!
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[10:38] <gordonDrogon> otherwise - get hand with SMT soldering :)
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[10:56] <[Saint]> ShorTie: said error doesn't necessarily imply corruption, just that the dirty bit has been set and corruption is /probable/.
[10:56] <[Saint]> But, yeah.
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[14:43] <Tenebrous> hurrah, received my raspberry pi today
[14:43] <shiftplusone> yay
[14:44] <Tenebrous> but i don't have any hdmi displays in the office so it'll have to wait D:
[14:45] <shiftplusone> there's always ssh
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[14:51] <Tenebrous> nah, i imagine it's sitting in the NOOBS startup menu thing so i can't get past that without seeing it as i'm not familiar with it
[14:51] <Tenebrous> it'll have to wait until i get home
[14:51] <Tenebrous> D:
[14:52] <Tenebrous> also didn't realise the lil 2.8" tft thing needed soldering, but that's ok
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[14:56] * Tenebrous excited
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[14:59] <shiftplusone> you don't have to use noobs, just write the raw image onto the card and that'll have ssh on by default
[15:01] <Tenebrous> o yes
[15:01] <Tenebrous> a very good point
[15:01] <Tenebrous> however i have now distracted myself with real work :(
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[15:47] <pothibo> GPIO #22 is turn led on when it's set to LOW is it possible to turn this around so it turns it on when set to HIGH
[15:48] <gordonDrogon> is this an LED of your own making?
[15:48] <pothibo> it's a relay board I bought
[15:48] <gordonDrogon> YWrobot by any chance?
[15:48] <pothibo> no sainsmart
[15:48] <gordonDrogon> in-same un-smart.
[15:49] <gordonDrogon> no, you're screwed. bin it.
[15:49] <pothibo> why?
[15:49] <gordonDrogon> if it's a 5v one with PNP drivers - it may not work reliably on the Pi.
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[15:50] <pothibo> gordonDrogon which one do you recommand
[15:50] <gordonDrogon> some of them do work though. got a link to the one you have?
[15:50] <gordonDrogon> I recommend buying one that says: Designed for the Raspnberry Pi
[15:50] <pothibo> http://www.sainsmart.com/8-channel-dc-5v-relay-module-for-arduino-pic-arm-dsp-avr-msp430-ttl-logic.html
[15:51] <pothibo> Actually it was working fine with previous software so my guess is that it's something that I didn't set
[15:52] <gordonDrogon> https://docs.google.com/file/d/0B5-HND9HJkXWSTQtYlFTZ3VyODA/edit
[15:52] <gordonDrogon> did you built that little interface board for it?
[15:53] <pothibo> Nope
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[15:54] <gordonDrogon> well - that's what they recommend to drive it from the Pi.
[15:54] <pothibo> Wasn't there when I built it
[15:54] <pothibo> Anyway, that's immaterial to the problem at hand
[15:54] <gordonDrogon> they also recomend driving the Pi via the TP1 test point. Lunacy if ever there was something. Another reason to avoid insamesmart.
[15:55] <pothibo> I'm just gonna switch to a working GPIO
[15:55] <[Saint]> That moment when you realize that you misplaced the tool you wrote to distinguish between the variants of your visually identical USB WiFi dongles, of which you have several dozen to set up...
[15:56] <pksato> why these board are low activated? (asking again, and again). The designer come from other universe? :)
[15:56] <gordonDrogon> pksato, actually, it's relatively common.
[15:56] <gordonDrogon> you drive them via an open collector output.
[15:56] <[Saint]> Indeed.
[15:57] <pothibo> gordonDrogon that document is full of crap, there's no reason why I should follow any of this
[15:57] <gordonDrogon> in this case the board has the anode of the opto isolator onnected via a resistor to +5v.
[15:57] <gordonDrogon> I'm looking at the schematic of that board now.
[15:57] <gordonDrogon> so +5v -> opto -> LED -> open pin.
[15:57] <gordonDrogon> so you need to ground the pin to make it work.
[15:57] <pothibo> gordonDrogon some GPIO works fine ( GPIO 4 works fine)
[15:57] <gordonDrogon> (there's a resistor in there too)
[15:57] <pothibo> but some other work the other way around
[15:58] <pothibo> like GPIO 22
[15:58] <pothibo> I just want to make them all behave the same way
[15:58] <gordonDrogon> sure - it works fine, but it's out of spec. you're connecting 5v to a gpio pin.
[15:58] <gordonDrogon> you might get away with it though.
[15:58] <pothibo> I'm not
[15:58] <gordonDrogon> you have 3.3v going into it?
[15:58] <pothibo> no
[15:58] <gordonDrogon> you must have something.
[15:59] <pothibo> Oh yeah
[15:59] <pothibo> well GPIO is 3.3v
[15:59] <gordonDrogon> there is a jumper on the board that selects the voltage for the relay coils -that also feeds the opto isolator.
[15:59] <gordonDrogon> http://unicorn.drogon.net/8.pdf is the schematic
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[16:00] <pothibo> ok just looked at it. I'm feeding 5v to the PI & the board
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[16:00] <pothibo> GPIO are linked to the IN{1,8}
[16:00] <gordonDrogon> yup.
[16:01] <pothibo> It worked fine for the past year
[16:01] <gordonDrogon> lucky.
[16:01] <pothibo> Whatever man
[16:01] <pothibo> You seem to be more interested in showing what I did wrong than actually helping out
[16:02] <pothibo> I could probably do the same with that WiringPi software of yours.
[16:02] <gordonDrogon> the software isn't an issue.
[16:02] <pothibo> It was for me
[16:02] <gordonDrogon> and what you've done ovbiously works - but is it optimal? I don't think so. Would I recommend it? no.
[16:03] <gordonDrogon> You're putting 5v onto a Pi's 3.3v gpio pin.
[16:03] <gordonDrogon> you're getting away with it...
[16:03] <gordonDrogon> lucky.
[16:03] <gordonDrogon> if you want to invert the signal, then do it in software. that's trivial.
[16:03] <gordonDrogon> regardless of the software you're using.
[16:03] <pksato> ah, of course, open colector/drain.
[16:03] <gordonDrogon> if you want to do it in hardware, then you need a transistor & resistor per pin
[16:04] <pothibo> So you're saying that Some GPIO behave differently in term of input current than others
[16:04] <pothibo> like GPIO4 vs GPIO 22
[16:04] <gordonDrogon> pothibo, no - all GPIOs are the same on the Pi.
[16:04] <[Saint]> It does pay to note exactly how surprising it is that you didn't release the genie of the pi in this case.
[16:05] <Tenebrous> anyone have any experience building enclosures with friction hinges etc?
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[16:05] <gordonDrogon> going back to the hardware, even sainsmart say you need the extra buffer board for the Pi.... Although their implementation is somewhat creative...
[16:05] <[Saint]> I've accidentally hooked up 5V over GPIO for the tiniest fraction and nuked it instantly.
[16:05] <pothibo> gordonDrogon then something's wrong because half my relay are turned on and the other aren't while all GPIOS are exported
[16:06] <gordonDrogon> pothibo, maybe they've given up... Do you know what the value of the limiting resistors is? the schematic doesn't have them listed.
[16:06] <pothibo> gordonDrogon limiting resistor?
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[16:07] <gordonDrogon> the other thing to check is the 5v supply going to the relays - they'll each need typically 60-100mA - usually more than a standard Pi PSU can take- but even if this was wotking, it may be advisable to check the PSU.
[16:07] <pothibo> gordonDrogon ma is ok
[16:07] <pothibo> I checked it alrady
[16:07] <gordonDrogon> pothibo, on the circuit there is a resistor that limits the current to the opto isolator and the LED.
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[16:10] <gordonDrogon> pothibo, do the LEDs on the relay board light up OK?
[16:10] <pothibo> gordonDrogon on GPIO22 yes
[16:10] <gordonDrogon> what about the other 7?
[16:11] <pothibo> only 3 of them
[16:11] <gordonDrogon> do you have wiringPi installed? Only asking as it makes it utterly trivial to test things like this from the command-line.
[16:12] <gordonDrogon> the gpio command saves all the exporting /sys/class/etc.
[16:12] <pothibo> gordonDrogon Might have found the culprit
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[16:13] <RaTTuS|BIG> pebkac?
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[16:13] <pothibo> Ok I think everything is working it's a glitch here in some config
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[16:15] <gordonDrogon> ok. hope it keeps on working - just remember you're feeding 5 into the Pi's 3.3v GPIO pins.
[16:16] <pothibo> I don't understand. I thought it was the pi feeding the board
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[16:18] <gordonDrogon> the electrical path goes: 5v -> resistor -> Opto LED -> visible LED -> Pi's GPIO pin.
[16:19] <gordonDrogon> at that point there is 5v on the Pi's GPIO pin.
[16:19] <pothibo> so basically, I need to add a resistor that will lower the voltage to 3.3
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[16:20] <gordonDrogon> no - it won't work that way. to do it properly, you need the Pi's GPIO pin to drive an open collector transsitor that then 'shorts' the LEDs to 0v.
[16:21] <gordonDrogon> but... you've gotten away with it for a year now, so who knows.... You might ge away with it for another year or 2 or 5 ... Really can't tell.
[16:21] <pothibo> Oh well, if I grill it, I'll fix it
[16:21] <gordonDrogon> Pi's are cheap.
[16:21] <pothibo> yeah
[16:21] <pothibo> I have 3 here doing nothing
[16:21] <pothibo> and I am not geared with electronic stuff so it would cost me like 200$ to get geared up
[16:22] <pksato> 500 Ohms resistor in series with two leds. At 5V, <4.8mA , 3v3 <1.4mA (can lit ir and color leds?).
[16:23] <pothibo> but I'm keeping this in mind. in that graph: https://docs.google.com/file/d/0B5-HND9HJkXWSTQtYlFTZ3VyODA/edit the first resistor to the ground.. it's exactly that? A resistor 10k ohm that loops
[16:23] <pothibo> ?
[16:25] <pksato> to prevent false trigger.
[16:26] <gordonDrogon> yes.
[16:26] <gordonDrogon> biases it to ground to stop the transsitor condicting with input noise when it was e.g. unconnected.
[16:27] <gordonDrogon> if I was building that, I'd actualy use a uln2803 - which has 8 transistors inside one package.
[16:28] <gordonDrogon> and you don't need any resistors.
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[16:31] <pothibo> Transistor do the same as resistor in this scenario
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[16:48] <gordonDrogon> no.
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[17:28] <Anthe> According to the getting help thing I'm not allowed to excuse me so I won't, but I have a problem using omxplayer. It is giving me audio echoing and stutters with a correct video file. I've searched online and there appears to be someone else with the same problem, suggesting to downgrade to an older build, but I can't seem to find that one somewhere. Does anyone know where I can find this specific build (0.3.3~git20131216) or how
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[17:29] <Anthe> Ah, it appears the older builds are indeed available on the website. Thanks anyway!
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[17:31] <Alex_TNT> Hello, I'm trying to make my gpio tft screen work with hdmi, I'm using a custom image fbtft, managed to make both screen work but on my hdmi I get http://i.imgur.com/FhNDVqI.jpg and I don't know what is happening, I can use the tft screen fine
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[17:33] <Alex_TNT> the screen is from texy hy28b but that might not matter
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[17:36] <Nef_> Alex_TNT, so you're trying to use the tft screen to control the hdmi screen?
[17:37] <Alex_TNT> other way around
[17:37] <Alex_TNT> display the hdmi on tft, managed to do that
[17:37] <Nef_> ah okay
[17:38] <Alex_TNT> but I get different boot screens
[17:38] <Alex_TNT> one that I can access on the tft and the one that I get on the hdmi http://i.imgur.com/FhNDVqI.jpg
[17:38] <Nef_> gordonDrogon, if my memory serves me correctly, I think you managed to solve a similar problem to this(?). Are you around?
[17:39] <Alex_TNT> taking the dog out, be right back
[17:40] <james_olympus> https://learn.adafruit.com/adafruit-pitft-28-inch-resistive-touchscreen-display-raspberry-pi/using-the-console describes how to display the text console on the small screen
[17:40] <james_olympus> Removing "fbcon=map:10 fbcon=font:VGA8x8" from your cmdline.txt should leave the console on the HDMI output
[17:41] <Alex_TNT> Thank you, I'll try it
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[17:54] <gordonDrogon> Nef_, hello?
[17:55] <Nef_> gordonDrogon, hey - sorry for bothering you :3 I *think* (I'm fairly sure) you helped a guy solve a similar problem to Alex_TNTs, which includes replicating the tft screen onto a hdmi output
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[17:56] <gordonDrogon> Alex_TNT, Nef_ FWIW: I've not used ant kernel framebuffer drivers with GPIO attached screens.
[17:56] <Nef_> It might not be though, so sorry if not.
[17:56] <Nef_> gordonDrogon, my bad :/ It must have been something slightly different.
[17:56] <gordonDrogon> I do recall chatting to someone recently, but I never had a solution - I think he was trying to run both at the same time
[17:57] <Nef_> Maybe that was it. Ah well. Sorry for pinging you
[17:59] <Alex_TNT> I only need one to run, the other one I'll duplicate with fbcp
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[18:19] <MeckPomm> Hey guys I have a problem with my Raspberry Pi! I poured water all over it and then smashed it with a brick for a little bit and then dropped it on the floor a few times and now it doesn't even work?! WTF?!?!?!
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[18:21] <MeckPomm> lol
[18:21] <IT_Sean> Are we going to have a problem here?
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[18:24] <gordonDrogon> I had some marmalade on a Pi the other day. licked it off, dried it and it's fine...
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[18:34] <Alex_TNT> wow, I managed to make it work, Thank you guys, Nef_ james_olympus
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[18:36] <james_olympus> Alex_TNT: Thanks for mentioning fbcp, not encountered it before but looks like it will be useful
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[18:39] <Alex_TNT> now after a reboot the tft doesn't work anymore..
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[18:41] <Nef_> lol
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[18:47] <james_olympus> Alex_TNT: Can you still start X on the screen with "export FRAMEBUFFER=/dev/fb1 startx"?
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[18:47] <james_olympus> Er, without the 'export'
[18:48] <Alex_TNT> I can, on hdmi, but the tft screen is white, and can't fbcp on it
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[19:35] <therion23> quick question: "pins" 17-20 in wiringPi, are those the ones that aren't broken out?
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[19:35] <gordonDrogon> therion23, those are the P5/P6 connector pins on the B/2
[19:36] <gordonDrogon> they are not present on the B/1, B/1.1 or B+
[19:36] <therion23> oh, i thought it was R1/R2
[19:36] <gordonDrogon> well - i'm using the notation B/1 for a Revision 1, Model B
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[19:37] <gordonDrogon> there is revision 1, 1.1, 2 and B+
[19:37] <gordonDrogon> revision 2 is the one with the P5 (later renamed P6) connector.
[19:37] <therion23> i meant the connectors :) i assumed 17-20 were part of those 8 holes next to P1
[19:37] <gordonDrogon> which has 4 more GPIO pins which can carry PCM/I2S signals.
[19:38] <gordonDrogon> yes, that's them. only on revision 2.
[19:38] <therion23> okay, they are labeled as R1/R2 on my board unless my sight is failing me
[19:38] <therion23> oops
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[19:39] <therion23> i found out what R1 and R2 are, they sure are small
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[19:40] <gordonDrogon> You're using R to represent resistors?
[19:40] <gordonDrogon> and not board Revisions?
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[19:41] <therion23> yeah i just saw those two resistors .. first i thought that each row of 4 pins had its own name
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[19:42] <gordonDrogon> well if you want those 4 pin, then you need a rev 2 Pi.
[19:43] <therion23> your own program claims it is :)
[19:43] <Mobutils> does anyone know if there has been any progress on the drivers for the bcm2835 dsi usage, all the stuff i see online is quite old
[19:44] <therion23> i was making a cheat sheet based on gpio readall and wondered why physical pins 3 and 5 occurred twice, so i thought i'd better ask
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[19:45] <gordonDrogon> oh, do they?
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[19:46] <therion23> yeah wiringPi 17-20 are shown as phys 3-6
[19:46] <gordonDrogon> you have an old wiringPi - upgrade :)
[19:46] <therion23> latest offered by arch
[19:47] <gordonDrogon> http://unicorn.drogon.net/readall.b2.txt
[19:47] <gordonDrogon> is the latest.
[19:47] <gordonDrogon> what's the output of gpio -v
[19:47] <therion23> local/wiringpi 20140409-1
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[19:47] <therion23> 2.13
[19:47] <gordonDrogon> 2.20 is latest.
[19:47] <gordonDrogon> I'd dump it and install from source if I were you. especially if you ever use a B+.
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[19:48] <therion23> i am sticking with my rev 2 till it decides to retire
[19:48] <gordonDrogon> ok
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[19:50] <therion23> but yeah, let me roll my own from 2.20
[19:50] <gordonDrogon> just don't use gpio reset in version 2.20 - it'll stall your B/2 ...
[19:51] <therion23> thanks for the warning :D
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[20:00] <therion23> i like the output of readall much better in 2.20 for sure
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[20:36] <gordonDrogon> therion23, thanks. I was a bit unsure in the early days.
[20:36] <gordonDrogon> therion23, next thing is a dynamic update that uses curses to let you see changing input pins and possibly even keyboard or mouse driven output changes too. maybe.
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[20:41] <therion23> gordon, a curses based client would be luxury .. and ncurses is so easy to use from a coders point of view
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[20:52] <gordonDrogon> therion23, yes, I've used ncurses in the past.
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[21:10] <wip> is it possible to power the rpi with this hub: http://www.adafruit.com/products/961
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[21:13] <ShorTie> i would think so
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[21:54] <shndns> hey does any one use there pi as a wireless router?
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[22:08] <pepijndevos> I just wrote about my experience using a raspi as my only computer for a week: http://pepijndevos.nl/2014/07/30/raspberry-pi-as-my-primary-computer.html
[22:09] <pepijndevos> Just the action shot: http://pepijndevos.nl/images/raspi/tmux.png
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[22:11] <shndns> nice!
[22:11] <shndns> how much better is the b+ would you say
[22:12] <pepijndevos> perfomance wise, just the same as the B
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[22:13] <pepijndevos> Except I bought my B when it still had 256MB RAM
[22:13] <MrAdams> nice post!
[22:13] <shndns> i read something earlier about someone making a board that was similar to the boards samsung uses in there phones
[22:13] <shndns> i remember the days computers had 256MB of RAM
[22:13] <pepijndevos> The extra USB ports are nice, I'm not so enthousiastic about merging audio and composite.
[22:13] <PunIntended> pepijndevos: Did you try the HW-accelerated qtwebkit ? WebGL works there.
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[22:14] <pepijndevos> MrAdams thanks
[22:15] <pepijndevos> shndns, yea, I grew up with a computer with 100Mhz CPU and a turbo button.
[22:15] <pepijndevos> PunIntended, no. Link?
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[22:16] <PunIntended> pepijndevos: https://github.com/Metrological/buildroot : The one I use currently in a chroot.
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[23:00] <Tenebrous> wow. that was easy. raspi set up, tft soldered and calibrated etc, bluetooth keyb working, now onto wifi
[23:00] <ShorTie> try wicd
[23:01] <Tenebrous> i shall!
[23:01] <Tenebrous> it's updating atm
[23:01] <Tenebrous> upgrading
[23:01] * Tenebrous shrugs
[23:02] <ShorTie> wicd-curses to be more exact
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[23:18] <[Saint]> wicd-curses is...ok.
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[23:19] <[Saint]> But, IMO, if you already know all the details of the connection, you can't go wrong with nm-cli.
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[23:20] <[Saint]> "nmcli dev wifi connect SSID_GOES_HERE password PASSWORD_GOES_HERE"
[23:20] <[Saint]> too easy.
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[23:21] <[Saint]> Not at lot of people seem to like NetworkManager, though.
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[23:24] <Jusii> and it's also easy to just edit files under /etc/NetworkManager/system-connections
[23:24] <Jusii> changes will take effect immediately
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[23:37] <gbaman> anyone any idea on this, got a bash script which is creating another one, but it runs line 26 http://pastebin.com/8PUsgHih
[23:37] <gbaman> aka runs it instead of putting it into the text file
[23:38] <[Saint]> sec.
[23:38] <gbaman> I know why it runs the line, but my question is how can I fix it..
[23:38] <rapinub> Hello, why won't Javascript animation work on the raspberry pi?
[23:38] <[Saint]> I'm bored enough to look at this. :)
[23:38] <gbaman> haha [Saint]
[23:38] <gbaman> only need to look at line 26
[23:39] <gbaman> the line itself waits till a new file or folder is created in /home/shared and spits out which folder it happened in
[23:40] <gbaman> but of course it is trying to work it out instead of put it into the text file
[23:43] <gbaman> rapinub: which browser you using?
[23:43] <gbaman> midori isnt... great..
[23:44] <rapinub> gbaman: It's a friend of mine who's using it, my pi isn't here yet, but Midori
[23:44] <gbaman> rapinub: you might want to apt-get install chromium
[23:44] <rapinub> I think he tried chromium too
[23:44] <rapinub> and JS animations froze the browse
[23:44] <rapinub> r
[23:44] <gbaman> there is always web..
[23:44] <rapinub> ?
[23:44] <gbaman> http://www.raspberrypi.org/web-browser-beta/
[23:44] <[Saint]> chromium is waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaay too heavy for a pi.
[23:44] <gbaman> still in beta
[23:45] <gbaman> perhaps, but it works most of the time :)
[23:45] <gbaman> any ideas [Saint]?
[23:46] <rapinub> [Saint]: Any idea how to activate Javascript GPU acceleration on api?
[23:46] <[Saint]> regarding misbehaving script...I think I need some more coffee, or my glasses, I can't see where on earth its apparently trying to write to which text file.
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[23:46] <gbaman> no! line 26
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[23:46] <gbaman> I am using cat to write to /etc/init.d/SharedFolderUpdate.sh
[23:47] <gbaman> ohhh
[23:47] <gbaman> whoops
[23:47] <gbaman> wrong one :)
[23:47] <gbaman> http://pastebin.com/ZMzWTmPr
[23:47] <[Saint]> woo!
[23:47] <[Saint]> I'm not insane!
[23:47] <gbaman> that would make more sense
[23:47] <gbaman> wait..
[23:47] <gbaman> yeah
[23:47] <gbaman> line 26
[23:47] <gbaman> no
[23:47] <gbaman> this one
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[23:47] <gbaman> http://pastebin.com/8PUsgHih
[23:48] <[Saint]> heh.
[23:48] <gbaman> ok, got it now :)
[23:48] <gbaman> http://pastebin.com/8PUsgHih -- Line 26
[23:48] <gbaman> it tries to execute line 26
[23:48] <gbaman> instead of actually just writing it all as a block of text
[23:48] <gbaman> I know it is because it is trying to do it dynamically
[23:49] <gbaman> but I don't want it dynamically!
[23:49] <gbaman> so of course I would usually just use ' thing in here ' instead of " thing in here"
[23:49] <PunIntended> gbaman: do a base64 of it. Won't understand
[23:49] <gbaman> but that isnt any help
[23:49] <gbaman> hmm
[23:50] <gbaman> that makes it a pain though PunIntended to edit later
[23:50] <gbaman> there must be an answer..
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[23:58] * [Saint] goes out on a limb and suggests that this may actually be a job for acl instead
[23:59] <[Saint]> watching paths for new files and appending permissions is kinda its thing.
[23:59] <[Saint]> setfacl is the one, iirc.
[23:59] <[Saint]> sec.

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