#raspberrypi IRC Log


IRC Log for 2014-07-31

Timestamps are in GMT/BST.

[0:00] <gbaman> [Saint]: trust me, already been down that road
[0:00] <gbaman> it didnt work
[0:00] <gbaman> applications were ignoring it
[0:00] <[Saint]> Hmmmm. It _should_, its purpose built for this very task.
[0:01] <gbaman> well we tried it and it was being ignored
[0:01] <gbaman> so this was the solution I came up with
[0:01] <gbaman> and it works nicely
[0:01] <[Saint]> Did you add 'acl' as a mount peramter for the mountpoint(s) it was supposed to be watching?
[0:01] <gbaman> yes
[0:01] <[Saint]> Hmmm. I use acl here to do a rather similar task.
[0:01] <[Saint]> But, this is typical of my thought process.
[0:02] <gbaman> is a shared folder for Pi in classroom
[0:02] <gbaman> some applications were ignoring the defaults I set with acl
[0:02] <[Saint]> Your situation annoyed me, and I'm not sure why I'm not seeing the problem, so I moved on to things I know work.
[0:02] <[Saint]> Its a bad habit.
[0:02] <gbaman> :)
[0:02] <gbaman> completely understand, it isnt the ideal solution, but is a working one
[0:03] <gbaman> that already hacky, works well and does not seem to eat performance
[0:03] <gbaman> *although
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[0:03] <gbaman> is better than just blindly doing it every 10 seconds :)
[0:03] <[Saint]> I think I can see potential for this to fall over, though.
[0:04] <gbaman> in what way?
[0:04] <[Saint]> For example, if someone modifies the permissions manually, it isn;t going to get counted as a new file, and the permissions will remain.
[0:04] <gbaman> it wont be manually changed..
[0:04] <[Saint]> You seem confident about that. ;)
[0:05] <[Saint]> Never underestimate your fellows potential for stupidity. :P
[0:05] <gbaman> plus, if they do, all it takes is another file change and it redoes the folder
[0:06] <gbaman> is for a school, kids hopefully won't be randomly changing permissions of stuff in the shared drive
[0:06] <gbaman> will be changing stuff in their user accounts
[0:08] <gbaman> anyways, any idea how to fix it [Saint]? :)
[0:08] <[Saint]> You're a bit more trusting than I am it seems. I remove all potential for disorder I can find. Up to and including user accounts that nuke themselves immediately on exit and only ever get created in RAM anyway.
[0:08] <[Saint]> Yeah....maybe. I'm poking around using a slightly different plan of attack.
[0:09] <gbaman> haha, my project is nowhere near as secure :)
[0:10] <gbaman> this is for Raspi-LTSP http://gbaman.github.io/RaspberryPi-LTSP/
[0:10] <gbaman> project I have been working on for past 7 months
[0:10] * intothev01d (~intothev0@unaffiliated/intothev01d) Quit (Ping timeout: 272 seconds)
[0:10] <gbaman> and finally got shared drives cracked today, this is literally the last piece...
[0:10] * [Saint] took a collection of his machines to a school to give a demonstration once, and two of them came back with persistent access remote shells. :)
[0:11] <[Saint]> 'lil bastards are smart these days.
[0:11] <gbaman> then the system breaks
[0:11] * wip (~wip@ Quit (Quit: KVIrc 4.0.4 Insomnia http://www.kvirc.net/)
[0:11] <gbaman> whatever stuff I fix, they will find something else
[0:11] <gbaman> not worth the fight
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[0:11] <gbaman> if the teacher does not trust the kids on normal standalone Pis, they shouldnt be trusted in this
[0:12] <[Saint]> Ohhhh...maybe...
[0:12] <[Saint]> Crap. Nope.
[0:12] <gbaman> :(
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[0:13] <[Saint]> Hahahaha...at least its not just me.
[0:14] <[Saint]> There's now two of us in this office staring at this with an "uhhhhhh...hmmmm" expression.
[0:14] <gbaman> could I use anything else other than cat?
[0:14] <gbaman> hahahaha
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[0:15] <gbaman> the simple answer is fetch it from the web with wget, but don't want to drop out like that
[0:15] <gbaman> not guaranteed when installing this bit that they will have web connection
[0:16] <gbaman> another cheat would be I could split it into 3 bits, a cat, echo and a cat
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[0:20] <[Saint]> gbaman: ahhhhhhhhh - I set my friends and workplace on this, and, we think we have the answer.
[0:21] <gbaman> haha
[0:21] <[Saint]> Its not a solution, mind you, but an answer.
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[0:21] <gbaman> ok?
[0:21] <gbaman> cat echo cat?
[0:21] <[Saint]> What we think is happening is that it is blocking when *no* new files are detected.
[0:21] <gbaman> yes?
[0:21] <gbaman> it shouldnt be running that though in the first place
[0:21] <[Saint]> So, you'd need to pass the -t flag as well.
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[0:22] <gbaman> that wont work as the text file will then get the result of the command
[0:23] <gbaman> not the actual command
[0:23] <gbaman> I want line 26 to end up in the text file exactly as it is right now
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[0:26] <Robert_pi> *sigh*
[0:26] <Robert_pi> On the B+, what does the power flashing a quick green light mean?
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[0:26] <gbaman> means it is doing stuff Robert_pi
[0:27] <gbaman> red flashing is issue with power supply?
[0:27] <gbaman> green LED is doing stuff
[0:27] <Robert_pi> hmmm it's not pulling an IP off the dhcp server :(
[0:27] <[Saint]> if there's an issue with power on the B+ the PWR LED won't ignite at all\
[0:28] <gbaman> [Saint]: I am going to call this a day, already 11:30pm
[0:28] <gbaman> thanks for the help
[0:28] <gbaman> think I will just cat the first half, use echo with this line and then cat the second half
[0:29] <gbaman> and [Saint] tell the other guys in the office thanks too :)
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[0:30] <[Saint]> Robert_pi:
[0:30] <Robert_pi> sir?
[0:30] <[Saint]> 3 flashes: start.elf not found
[0:30] <[Saint]> 4 flashes: start.elf not launched
[0:30] <[Saint]> 7 flashes: kernel.img not found
[0:30] <[Saint]> 8 flashes: SDRAM not recognised. You need newer bootcode.bin/start.elf firmware.
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[0:31] <Robert_pi> how about 1 flash... about 1 sec. interval .
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[0:31] <Robert_pi> and I'm not logged in (since there's no IP)
[0:31] <[Saint]> I...hmmm.
[0:31] <Robert_pi> so .. not sure what it's "doing"
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[0:32] <Robert_pi> other than making me grouchy
[0:33] <PunIntended> Robert_pi: Do you have HDMI ?
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[0:37] <Robert_pi> PunIntended: Nosir
[0:38] <Robert_pi> I was able to get a B up and running w/o one
[0:38] <Robert_pi> this one 1) corrupted the B's flash card (huge thank you to the guy that said that would work)
[0:38] <Robert_pi> and now won't .. .do anything but that 1 second flash
[0:38] <Robert_pi> and the Green LAN light
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[0:40] <PunIntended> Robert_pi: If you have not a latest firmware , it will run without USB and Ethernet.
[0:40] <Robert_pi> PunIntended: This is a b+
[0:41] <Robert_pi> they've only been out a few weeks.. how old could the FW be?
[0:41] <PunIntended> Robert_pi: Talking about the B+.Do you use the latest image of Raspbian ?
[0:41] <Robert_pi> That's software and yes, d/l'ed Raspian this afternoon
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[0:42] <Robert_pi> and it sure will be difficult to ssh to w/o eitehrnet, but what do i know
[0:43] <PunIntended> Robert_pi: The firmware is loaded at boot on a Pi, and is named start.elf on the FAT partition.
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[0:47] <Robert_pi> hmmm Looks like I'm one of the lucky "few" *cough* who got a cr*ppy usb slot
[0:47] <Robert_pi> I just noticed the card wiggles (not locked in right) and pulls right out w/o any resistance
[0:48] <PunIntended> Robert_pi: Try reflash the image to the SD. Does your Pi works after being locked in ?
[0:48] <PunIntended> *The card
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[0:50] <Robert_pi> yeah it's got an IP now... I just need to override my old SSH keys for the old pi
[0:50] <Robert_pi> so I'm pretty sure it's up
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[0:54] <Robert_pi> Yup I'm in
[0:54] <Robert_pi> weee
[0:55] <PunIntended> Robert_pi: can you cat /proc/cpuinfo and paste the revision ?
[0:55] <Robert_pi> sure, one sec
[0:56] <Robert_pi> http://susepaste.org/51808854
[0:56] <Robert_pi> What are u looking for in that?
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[0:58] <PunIntended> Robert_pi: To see if you have not connected to another Pi by mistake. Yes, it is a B+.
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[0:59] <Robert_pi> ah
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[0:59] <Robert_pi> haha that would have been funny
[0:59] <Robert_pi> :)
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[1:00] <Robert_pi> My "B" however, when back to the shop. The wifi dongle that cam in the kit wouldn't work as an access point
[1:00] <Robert_pi> so I returned the "B" kit and just took home the B+ and ordered the power/wifi online
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[1:14] <Robert_pi> sheeeeeeeze
[1:14] <Robert_pi> ran the config, did the expand menu option.. now it's hosed
[1:14] <Robert_pi> solid red light
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[1:19] <steve_rox> i see someone else has released a rpi ripoff
[1:19] <steve_rox> but i read it can actually run rpi OS's etc
[1:19] <ShorTie> i think the B+ needs the latest of stuff to work right, if the sdcard cameout of your old B it might not be up to date enough
[1:20] <PunIntended> steve_rox: It is named an Odroid-W and has a BCM2835.
[1:20] <steve_rox> i read the usb wont function under old firmware
[1:20] <steve_rox> so i see
[1:21] <Robert_pi> ShorTie: u missed the part about this being rewritten w/ today's d/led raspbian
[1:21] <ShorTie> oops, sorry
[1:21] * cottongin is now known as cottongin[BOS]
[1:22] <steve_rox> still at least this adroid-w acutally knows what its doing somewhat unlike MS attempt :-O
[1:23] <PunIntended> steve_rox: Not MS but µ$.
[1:23] <PunIntended> (Aka Microdollar)
[1:23] <steve_rox> heh
[1:24] <steve_rox> i dunno what they were thinking
[1:24] <steve_rox> maybe a way to shift a couple of win8 licences
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[1:25] <ShorTie> win8 isn't worth the dvd it came on, lol.
[1:25] <steve_rox> a lot like vista
[1:25] <PunIntended> steve_rox: Windows XP is undestroyable. They are now losing money because *no one* will buy it.
[1:26] <steve_rox> well my old laptop is still winXP
[1:27] <PunIntended> steve_rox: Windows 8.1 or Linux ? Linux please, no hell.
[1:27] <steve_rox> eh? :-P
[1:27] <ShorTie> XP is the best of the bunch so far In My Humble Opinion
[1:27] <steve_rox> its getting humilateing to be a windows user
[1:27] <steve_rox> win xp the last greatest windows version?
[1:27] <PunIntended> steve_rox: I think it is 7.
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[1:28] <steve_rox> im not sure
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[1:29] <PunIntended> Anyway , my Windows 95 PC is still working well.
[1:29] <steve_rox> yay :-)
[1:30] <steve_rox> i just "professional version" ment professional
[1:30] <steve_rox> that guy on utube made me laugh . that network admin guy
[1:30] <steve_rox> i cant quote him here but he says how everyone feels
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[1:31] <PunIntended> steve_rox: Windows 8 is like Android, bad as hell for a PC. It is also a good reason that Android was not ported on a Pi.
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[1:32] <steve_rox> only reasion id want android on rpi is skype use
[1:32] <steve_rox> other than that i cant think of why id need it
[1:32] <PunIntended> steve_rox: Skype ? May need ARMv7.
[1:33] <steve_rox> thats upsetting
[1:33] <steve_rox> someone needs to make some kinda rpi chat prog
[1:33] <steve_rox> our own chat network :-P
[1:33] <steve_rox> i know my friends would like it
[1:33] <steve_rox> we would build communication systems etc
[1:33] <The_HunterT> Video chat or just text?
[1:33] <steve_rox> both if possible
[1:33] <PunIntended> (And Widevine DRM, which will NEVER work on a Pi, so not Netflix questions please)
[1:34] <The_HunterT> IRC is great for text
[1:34] <PunIntended> steve_rox: There is SIP .
[1:34] <PunIntended> Search Ekiga.
[1:34] <steve_rox> im not aware of sip
[1:34] * RoyK is now known as m40m
[1:34] <steve_rox> wonder if that would work on the rpi
[1:35] <The_HunterT> -a d
[1:35] <The_HunterT> ...
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[1:36] <PunIntended> steve_rox: Open-source so should. Ekiga is in the Raspbian repo.
[1:36] <steve_rox> ill make a note of it
[1:37] <steve_rox> be interesting if this works :-)
[1:37] <steve_rox> is there a win32 ver incase my friends are moan moan about linux?
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[1:38] <PunIntended> I wonder if Android will work on a Pi , as the Odroid guys have the Odroid-W and the blob source code.
[1:38] <steve_rox> i doubt they will give us android
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[1:38] <PunIntended> steve_rox: Doesn't know for Loose32.
[1:39] <steve_rox> plus i dont think i really like the idea of haveing android on rpi roaming wild on my lan
[1:39] <The_HunterT> Is it possible to have two connections to the same Screen session?
[1:40] <The_HunterT> Local and remote
[1:40] <steve_rox> vnc?
[1:40] <PunIntended> steve_rox: And without DRM , forget streaming & co. .
[1:40] <steve_rox> i guess
[1:40] <steve_rox> we cant even get a netflix client
[1:41] <Robert_pi> The_HunterT: Yes
[1:41] <The_HunterT> steve_rox: I thought xbmc had Netflix
[1:41] <Robert_pi> The_HunterT: you can share a screen
[1:41] <steve_rox> for win32 i assume
[1:41] <The_HunterT> Robert_pi: With remote and local?
[1:41] <Robert_pi> The_HunterT: do you want them both to have control, or just have the 2nd person montitor
[1:41] <PunIntended> steve_rox: And also Gøøgλ€ Play.
[1:42] <The_HunterT> Robert_pi: Both control
[1:43] <steve_rox> rpi look odd on 4v
[1:43] <steve_rox> square stuck on screen
[1:43] <Robert_pi> The_HunterT: That'll walk you through. let me know if u need help
[1:44] <PunIntended> steve_rox: a B+ will work fine.
[1:44] <steve_rox> the dc-dc converter sits between it
[1:44] <PunIntended> (At least in my test)
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[1:45] <steve_rox> the usb looks like it does not wanna work
[1:45] <The_HunterT> Thanks
[1:45] <The_HunterT> Do people use screen or tmux most?
[1:46] <steve_rox> removein wifi helped
[1:47] <steve_rox> that werid lil colorfull square seems to stay in the overlay
[1:48] <steve_rox> i shall increase power
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[1:48] <The_HunterT> Test
[1:49] <Robert_pi> I like screen but to each his own
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[1:49] <steve_rox> so it looks like 8 li ions in 2x parrels
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[1:51] <steve_rox> lith ions run the rpi really well :-)
[1:52] <PunIntended> steve_rox: Until they are empty . :P
[1:52] <steve_rox> lucky i have a large ammount
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[1:53] <steve_rox> ill try measure how much current it takes
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[1:55] <steve_rox> looks like 180ma idle
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[1:57] <steve_rox> 220ma idle withwifi usb on
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[1:57] <PunIntended> steve_rox: With an Advanced&Intelligent benchmark ?
[1:58] <steve_rox> i do have some intelligence
[1:58] <steve_rox> and im using a multimeter
[1:58] <steve_rox> so i guess yes :-D
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[1:59] <PunIntended> steve_rox: Not in idle but when running the GPU and ARM at full tilt.
[1:59] <steve_rox> well the idle was at prompt for pwd
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[2:01] <PunIntended> steve_rox: What after kill -11 1 ? ( CAUTION: It may be a malicious advice)
[2:01] <steve_rox> ill have to try compare power consumption with the other one sometime
[2:01] <steve_rox> i assume thats a kill cmd on some process
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[2:02] <PunIntended> steve_rox: It is init. Please do a kernel panic then see the consuption.
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[2:03] <steve_rox> thought that said corruption
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[2:04] <steve_rox> gpu acted interesting on low power
[2:04] <steve_rox> you know that funky rainbow image on first power on
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[2:04] <steve_rox> well it goes small cube like and lerks on the screen on the right
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[2:05] <Mobutils> does anyone know if there has been any progress on the drivers for the bcm2835 dsi usage, all the stuff i see online is quite old
[2:05] <PunIntended> Mobutils: No. Just reverse-enginnering.
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[2:06] <Mobutils> thanks, anybody have any success with that so far?
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[2:07] <steve_rox> not sure why i cant ssh to the rpi over wifi
[2:07] <steve_rox> thought i solved that once but it seems to have returned
[2:10] <Mobutils> steve_rox: I would imagine if your service is working through eth0 and not your wlan0 you should check out your sshd_config file for possible reasons as to why that might be
[2:10] <Mobutils> check out http://linux.die.net/man/5/sshd_config
[2:10] <steve_rox> okays ill have a look thanks :-)
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[2:11] <ShorTie> ip address changed maybe ??
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[2:13] <steve_rox> nah i know the ip is right
[2:13] <steve_rox> i can connect by wired
[2:13] <[Saint]> Oh man. Hahahahahaha...this is hilarious.
[2:14] <[Saint]> People crying about Raspberrypi clones on RPF forums.
[2:14] * RaptorJesus (~RaptorJes@gateway/tor-sasl/raptorjesus) has joined #raspberrypi
[2:14] <[Saint]> "Blah blah blah...RPF has done so much for the community, blah blah blah, and these guys use that work and give nothing back"
[2:15] <[Saint]> Oh, you mean...like they're entitled to?
[2:15] <[Saint]> Its also fun to note that RPF has been using eLinux's wiki for years, giving nothing back, and that they ride off the success of Rasbian...
[2:15] <Robert_pi> people act like that in every aspect of life
[2:15] <[Saint]> But, hey, RPF can do no wrong.
[2:15] <PunIntended> [Saint]: They don't understand OSS.
[2:15] <[Saint]> So says the fanbois, at least.
[2:16] <Robert_pi> *sigh* well my pi's hosed
[2:17] <steve_rox> you killed it?
[2:17] * Robert_pi swears under his breath
[2:17] <Robert_pi> just the mem card
[2:17] <steve_rox> corruption?
[2:17] <PunIntended> @@@ Everyone does do something wrong at least once @@@
[2:17] <Robert_pi> the config killed it
[2:17] <[Saint]> Did you by any chance run raspi-update?
[2:17] <[Saint]> or rpi-update, or whatever its called.
[2:17] <Robert_pi> [Saint]: Yup... expand to fit entire card
[2:17] <Robert_pi> it did
[2:17] <Robert_pi> and it diedd
[2:17] <steve_rox> fun times
[2:18] <Mobutils> i guess everyone needs to learn not to type sudo rm -rf * at some point in their lives ;)
[2:18] <Robert_pi> Mobutils: ha
[2:18] <The_HunterT> lol
[2:18] <Robert_pi> Mobutils: I'm not that much of a newb
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[2:18] <[Saint]> raspi-config (or rpi-config?) is the "expandy-root-fs-thingo", among other things.
[2:18] <[Saint]> raspi-update is the (needless) firmware updater widely known for thrashing filesystems.
[2:19] <Robert_pi> ah
[2:19] <Robert_pi> this was the config thing w/ the menu
[2:19] <PunIntended> Mobutils: Do a rm -rf /${GARBAGE}
[2:19] <Robert_pi> i was expanding the thing to fit the entire card
[2:19] <Robert_pi> it gave an error and demanded a reboot
[2:19] <Robert_pi> never recovered
[2:19] <[Saint]> That's...odd. In theory the system doesn't need to go down for this at all.
[2:20] <[Saint]> I don't use any of the rpi-* tools, though.
[2:20] <[Saint]> I just expand the image manually.
[2:20] <Robert_pi> They worked great on the "B"
[2:20] <[Saint]> s'trivial.
[2:20] <Robert_pi> at least for me
[2:20] <Robert_pi> *shrug*
[2:21] * [Saint] uses parted to expand the rootfs.
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[2:21] <[Saint]> system doesn't need to go down for this at all.
[2:21] <[Saint]> http://elinux.org/RPi_Resize_Flash_Partitions
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[2:28] <Robert_pi> what s**ks is I don't trust myself to repartiion on my linux box
[2:28] <Robert_pi> so I have to wait till tomorrow to redo the card
[2:29] <ShorTie> just do manually on the pi, it's really quick and simple
[2:29] <Robert_pi> ShorTie: with no OS?
[2:30] <Robert_pi> I'd love to hear how that works
[2:30] <ShorTie> no, after you put the image on
[2:30] <Robert_pi> o.O
[2:30] * Robert_pi must be typing in invisible ink again
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[2:32] <ShorTie> sudo fdisk /dev/mmcblk0, p, d, 2, n, enter, enter, enter, enter, w, sudo reboot, sudo resize2fs /dev/mmcblk0p2
[2:32] <Robert_pi> ShorTie: yeah thanks
[2:32] <Robert_pi> I'll get right on that
[2:32] * Robert_pi rolls his eyes
[2:33] <ShorTie> roll them all you want, it works just fine
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[2:33] <Robert_pi> I know you're trying to be helpful
[2:33] <ShorTie> it is the same thing raspi-config does
[2:33] <Robert_pi> but really
[2:33] * [Saint] isn't sure why there was a need for a sarcastic response there
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[2:33] <Robert_pi> [Saint]: asking me?
[2:33] <[Saint]> that is, indeed, exactly what raspi-config is doing.
[2:33] <ShorTie> but really what ??
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[2:34] <Robert_pi> The card is hosed and can't be read. I clearly stated that. And he's telling me to boot w/ that card and run commands undedr the now borked OS
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[2:34] <[Saint]> No he's not.
[2:35] <[Saint]> You simply interpreted it that way.
[2:35] <[Saint]> Its incorrect, but I can see how you'd come to that conclusion.
[2:35] <Robert_pi> Oh.. ok .. what am I to boot with
[2:36] <ShorTie> your only cure starts with re-imaging the sdcard
[2:36] <[Saint]> Well, you had literally *just* stated that you were going to re-image the card tomorrow.
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[2:36] <[Saint]> So, naturally, we assumed this was the case.
[2:36] <[Saint]> Forgive us our flaws.
[2:36] <Robert_pi> Yes tomorrow
[2:36] <Robert_pi> and his answer was to instead of that just run some commands now
[2:37] <[Saint]> I didn't see anyone stating "do this right now, on your obviously trashed filesystem that won't even boot".
[2:37] <[Saint]> Did you?
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[2:38] <[Saint]> His answer wasn't /instead of blah/, it was /*when* you blah/.
[2:38] <[Saint]> English is fun.
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[2:38] <Robert_pi> [20:28] <Robert_pi> so I have to wait till tomorrow to redo the card
[2:38] <Robert_pi> [20:29] <ShorTie> just do manually on the pi,
[2:38] <ShorTie> hey, at least i saved it as my 1 liner now
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[2:39] <ShorTie> don't need to type it out again, lol.
[2:39] <[Saint]> As stated, I see how you came to the conclusion you did. But it was in error.
[2:39] <Robert_pi> As you say
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[2:41] <ShorTie> last time i got some sdcards, it was only like a buck more and you got a usb writer with it
[2:41] <ShorTie> just some food for thought
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[2:42] <ShorTie> don't know why, but got like 4 now .. :/~
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[2:48] <[Saint]> Heh. The Vet doesn't want to give me my kitten back. :)
[2:48] <steve_rox> ive installed that ekiga but i dont think it detects the rpi cam as a valid video input device
[2:49] <[Saint]> She's *my* kitten, dammit. She's my 'lil feline wingman.
[2:50] <[Saint]> Like a tiny little fluffy mammalian ball of female human attractant.
[2:51] <steve_rox> i have no idea what your on about
[2:51] <ShorTie> mine came home after a couple days, had some food, took a nap and went back out
[2:51] <ShorTie> of course had to get a few head rubs from daddy too...
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[2:57] <[Saint]> Having a fluffy little kitten that rides around on your shoulders is a highly effective attractant to the opposite sex.
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[2:58] <steve_rox> its like quagmire from family guy in here :-P
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[2:59] <[Saint]> giggity
[2:59] <steve_rox> :-D
[3:00] <ShorTie> got a wife of 26 years, don't need No kitty for that
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[3:01] <Mobutils> Just don’t drive around in your van asking girls if you want to see your kittens… less attractive.
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[3:09] <[Saint]> if [ ! -a~/.inputrc ]; then echo "\$include /etc/inputrc" > ~/.inputrc; fi
[3:09] <[Saint]> echo "set completion-ignore-case-on" >> ~/.inputrc
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[3:10] <surfn> yo
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[3:12] * [Saint] puts the finishing touches on his "configure raspi with ntpd, sshd, networkmanager+wireless driver, and quassel-core/client" script.
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[3:14] <[Saint]> Which means it must be time to pivot into a RAMdisk and re-image this 'lil bugger
[3:14] * [Saint] enjoys a sense of accomplishment when re-imaging a raspi from the very same raspi.
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[3:15] <[Saint]> There's something unnecessarily satisfying about it
[3:15] <[Saint]> Awww, I'm going to ruin my uptime:
[3:16] <[Saint]> [saint@saint-raspberrypi ~]$ uptime
[3:16] <[Saint]> 13:15:25 up 114 days, 13:12, 1 user, load average: 0.00, 0.01, 0.01
[3:16] <steve_rox> haha
[3:16] <[Saint]> (as you can see, the system is under _really_ heavy load...lol)
[3:17] <[Saint]> Oooooh, a better one:
[3:19] <Mobutils> so how many raspi irc servers do your need?
[3:20] <surfn> errr... I just looked at my server, expecting to have broken some kind of uptime record... it says 13 days
[3:20] <SirLagz> hai [Saint]
[3:20] <[Saint]> [saint@saint-raspberrypi-7 ~]$ uptime
[3:20] <[Saint]> 13:18:02 up 347 days, 18:02, 1 user, load average: 0.00, 0.27, 0.50
[3:20] <SirLagz> nice
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[3:21] <[Saint]> Mobutils: just one. The script will only install quassel-core if it can't detect a core running on the local network
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[3:22] <[Saint]> The primary function is to get sshd, ntpd, and nm-cli configured.
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[3:23] <Mobutils> ic
[3:23] <surfn> hey, anyone know how much throughput the B+ can handle?
[3:24] <[Saint]> About 50% of a USB 2 bus' worth.
[3:24] <surfn> Like if I have a 3A charger, how much current can I pass to GPIO?
[3:24] <[Saint]> or "not a Hell of a lot"
[3:24] <[Saint]> Ohhhh, I see what you meant. Throughput is an odd term of phrase for electrical current.
[3:25] <[Saint]> surfn: IIUC you can put out up to 1.2A on the B+
[3:25] <ShorTie> but only after tweeking
[3:26] <[Saint]> Indeed.
[3:26] <surfn> what sort of tweaking?
[3:26] <surfn> I've got some 8X8 Matrix LEDs on order, and I understand that 8 of them, at max brightness need 1.67 A
[3:27] <ShorTie> it's for the usb and i believe it's in config.txt
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[3:27] <[Saint]> Yeah...I'm not too sure trying to draw 1.6A is going to work out too well.
[3:29] <ShorTie> really shouldn't go much over .015a on the gpio pins
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[3:32] <surfn> ok, any suggestions on how to split the power from one 3A supply?
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[4:35] <[Saint]> http://www.dildo-generator.com/
[4:36] <[Saint]> Oooooooh. Bugger. That's...that's not the right link.
[4:36] <steve_rox> how conserning
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[9:30] <Boscop> hi, my usb keyboard stops working on my raspberry pi always after a few minutes / seconds after booting it
[9:30] <Boscop> sometimes it's not even enough time to login
[9:30] <Boscop> sometimes 1 min after login
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[9:32] <ShorTie> almost sounds like a power issue, have checked the voltage between tp1-tp2 ??
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[9:35] <gordonDrogon> morning peeps.
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[9:35] <ShorTie> Good Mornin
[9:36] <PunIntended> gordonDrogon: 8.35AM here.
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[9:36] <gordonDrogon> PunIntended, yes, we appear to be in the same timezone.
[9:36] <mastag25> im sure it's been asked a million times but im printing that diy gameboy case adafruit designed, just wondering if the rPi supports using a usb snes adapter as well
[9:36] <gordonDrogon> mastag25, if it's supported in Linux, then in-general it's supported on the Pi.
[9:37] <mastag25> ok
[9:37] <PunIntended> mastag25: Is the driver ARM compatible
[9:37] <PunIntended> ?
[9:37] <mastag25> no clue to be honest, not even sure which usb adapter i have
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[9:41] <gordonDrogon> http://www.raspberrypi.org/forums/viewtopic.php?f=78&t=36385
[9:41] <gordonDrogon> from google: usb snes raspberry pi
[9:41] <mastag25> ah thanks
[9:43] <Boscop> ShorTie: 5.11 volt. is it enough?
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[9:44] <gordonDrogon> Boscop, are you all up to date with updates, etc. ?
[9:44] <gordonDrogon> is. when did you lasr sudo apt-get update ; sudo apt-get upgrade ?
[9:44] <Boscop> gordonDrogon: yes, i flashed the latest wheezy
[9:45] <Boscop> a week ago
[9:45] <gordonDrogon> ok, but do an update anyway - just to make sure you have the latest firmware.
[9:45] <gordonDrogon> and is this ia B or a B+
[9:45] <ShorTie> although it is ok, seems a little high compared to most
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[9:46] <ShorTie> got a brand name and model on that keyboard ??
[9:47] <Boscop> gordonDrogon: it's a B
[9:47] <Boscop> gordonDrogon: i can't update without internet
[9:47] <gordonDrogon> Boscop, ok. ah.
[9:47] <Boscop> ShorTie: G-720
[9:47] <Boscop> g-series.com
[9:47] <Boscop> it says on the sticker
[9:47] <Boscop> works on my pc
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[9:48] <gordonDrogon> Boscop, hard to tell really what the issue might be - power is often the first issue, but if you've got good voltage then that's not likely to be the issue. the USB drivers are now pretty good too.
[9:48] <gordonDrogon> brb. ovens beeping.
[9:49] <Boscop> :(
[9:49] <Boscop> and wlan auto connect is not working either
[9:49] <Boscop> gordonDrogon: i followed this tutorial: https://learn.adafruit.com/adafruits-raspberry-pi-lesson-3-network-setup/setting-up-wifi-with-occidentalis
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[9:50] <ShorTie> that info on the keyboard is not turning any thing up in google for me
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[9:51] <gordonDrogon> Boscop, wi-fi and keyboard - both usb - points more to power again... and you're running occidentalis or Raspbian?
[9:52] <Boscop> raspbian
[9:52] <Boscop> ShorTie: http://www.amazon.de/G-Series-G-720-USB-Tastatur-schwarz/dp/B000EG8728
[9:53] <Boscop> gordonDrogon: but the wifi thing is a software issue
[9:53] <Boscop> during booting it says it skipped wifi
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[9:55] <ShorTie> that page tells like next to Nothing about it .. :/~
[9:56] <ShorTie> and i assume that is your only usb key board ??
[9:59] <Boscop> ShorTie: yes
[9:59] <Boscop> and it works on my pc
[10:00] <Boscop> ShorTie: it seems to always stop working after a period of not typing
[10:00] <Boscop> if i keep typing it goes longer
[10:00] <ShorTie> does it work without the wifi pluged in ??
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[10:01] <Boscop> also i can't connect to wifi manually, following this tutorial: http://www.ghacks.net/2009/04/14/connect-to-a-wireless-network-via-command-line/
[10:01] <Boscop> dhclient wlan0 returns without errors
[10:02] <Boscop> but afterwards iwconfig still says the same as before about wlan0
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[10:02] <Boscop> ap not associated etc
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[10:02] <ShorTie> you do not make sense, lol.
[10:03] <Boscop> ShorTie: how so?
[10:03] <Boscop> what's unclear?
[10:03] <ShorTie> how are you doing all this configuring and getting all this info if your keyboard does not work ??
[10:04] <Boscop> ShorTie: it works after boot for a few mins, as i said
[10:04] <Boscop> ShorTie: as long as i keep typing
[10:07] <ShorTie> sounds like you need a different keyboard
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[10:08] <Boscop> ShorTie: and for the wifi?
[10:09] <Boscop> why doesn't it work?
[10:09] <Boscop> even manually
[10:09] <ShorTie> you got a powered hub you can plug all that into ??
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[10:10] <Boscop> ShorTie: hub with external power supply? no
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[10:12] <ShorTie> wifi is normally best to be plugged into a powered hub
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[12:03] <Alex_TNT> is there a way to change the framebuffer to be the default when you startx?
[12:04] <Tenebrous> i imagine my red light is occasionally going out because i have put too many thingers on the built in usb?
[12:04] <Alex_TNT> without typing all this text FRAMEBUFFER=/dev/fb0 startx just startx
[12:04] <Tenebrous> it's all stable but occasionally it blinks out
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[12:06] <shiftplusone> Alex_TNT, by twiddling xorg.conf
[12:07] <Tenebrous> i /think you do this: sudo nano ~/.profile
[12:07] <Tenebrous> and add export FRAMEBUFFER=/dev/fb1 near the top
[12:07] <Tenebrous> er
[12:07] <Tenebrous> fb0 in your case
[12:07] <Tenebrous> (i followed this https://learn.adafruit.com/adafruit-pitft-28-inch-resistive-touchscreen-display-raspberry-pi/software-installation )
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[12:50] <gbaman> [Saint]: you about?
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[13:41] <[Saint]> gbaman: barely.
[13:41] <[Saint]> ;)
[13:41] <gbaman> figured it out :)
[13:41] <[Saint]> Oh?
[13:41] <gbaman> gota escape all the variables... aka \$FolderName
[13:41] <gbaman> putting \ in front of them all...
[13:41] <gbaman> not ideal, but works
[13:44] <[Saint]> we got into a metadiscussion here at work about why the "while true" part in this script was technically rather dodgy and shouldn't work at all. Heh.
[13:44] <gbaman> haha
[13:44] <gbaman> my entire program is full of those!
[13:44] <gbaman> *full of dodgy bits
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[13:47] <[Saint]> I can't immediately see *why* those vars need escaping.
[13:47] <[Saint]> but - woo for things working.
[13:47] <gbaman> because it interprets it
[13:48] <gbaman> it actually tries to be smart and run them
[13:48] <gbaman> and because for example $FolderName is empty at the time, it just puts a blank space in
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[13:49] <[Saint]> And this, my friends, is why I put ends on wires and plug them into holes for a living.
[13:50] <gbaman> :)
[13:50] <gbaman> Have just stumbled upon bash and sh doing stuff differently!
[13:50] <gbaman> dam!
[13:50] <gbaman> Why oh why did I write Raspi-LTSP in bash...
[13:50] <[Saint]> And clamber around in roof spaces and such.
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[13:51] <[Saint]> No wall ever failed to interpret my drilling a hole through it properly.
[13:51] <gbaman> hahaha
[13:51] <gbaman> and if it did, one would simply turn said wall off and on again and it would work fine :)
[13:52] <[Saint]> Our company had its 10K km cable run birthday the other day.
[13:53] <gbaman> thats a dam lot of cable
[13:53] <[Saint]> We've spooled out ten thousand kilometers of cable over greater Christchurch.
[13:53] <gbaman> you know, as you do
[13:54] <gbaman> hope there was cake!
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[13:55] <[Saint]> That encompasses rather a lot of different cable types, though. Everything from standard electrical systems, to CCTV/VOIP, to home/small business networking, to small-to-bloody-ridiculous home theater systems and arbitrary home automation.
[13:55] <[Saint]> And, indeed there was. But it was pretty meh.
[13:56] <[Saint]> And, over a period of 15 years.
[13:56] <gbaman> sigh..
[13:56] <gbaman> one should never skimp out on the cake!
[13:57] <gbaman> most important bit
[13:58] <[Saint]> There's a couple of weirdies here. One guy that can't or won't eat cocoa, one guy that claims to be a coeliac and hence gluten intolerant - but isn't, and one guy on a vegan kick.
[13:58] <[Saint]> So, that left options rather limited.
[13:58] <gbaman> haha
[13:58] <[Saint]> I'm pretty sure it was icing on a rock.
[13:59] <gbaman> well, icing is the best bit so all good
[13:59] <[Saint]> :)
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[14:01] * [Saint] is sick to death of this cable run software
[14:01] <[Saint]> it is fundamentally broken.
[14:02] <gbaman> Tried turning it off and on again?
[14:02] <[Saint]> (of course it is, we wrote it in house)
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[14:02] <gbaman> ahh..
[14:02] <gbaman> all makes sense now
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[14:03] <[Saint]> gbaman: it does that itself if you look at it the wrong way, or have a table entry with a capital letter, but, only on the third line of a table..for...some reason.
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[14:03] <gbaman> :D
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[14:04] <[Saint]> Its supposed to help me plot ideal cable runs, but I spend so much time holding the poor things hand its debateable as to whether or not it saves any time.
[14:04] <gbaman> sounds like pen and paper would be faster
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[14:04] <gbaman> or MS paint
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[14:06] <[Saint]> the best part of it is that if given the metrics of the cables in the run, it'll automatically plot spacing and avoid junctions or overlaps iff possible, and will tell the installers what type(s) of shielded conduit to use and where.
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[14:06] <gbaman> ah
[14:06] <[Saint]> Other than that, I do a lot of the decision making myself. It makes some odd choices sometimes.
[14:07] <gbaman> sounds like PCB routing. You can let the software pick but it always does such a bad job is just quicker to do it yourself
[14:07] <[Saint]> Its very similar, yess.
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[14:08] <[Saint]> a klunky old PCB design suite was the spark that provided the idea to create this software, which at the time, didn't exist.
[14:08] <gbaman> :)
[14:09] <[Saint]> but that's well before my time at this company.
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[14:11] <[Saint]> I'm not too sure how much of a future this company has. I'm fairly confident I'm kept on as comic relief mostly. We were /fantastically/ outbid on a contract that we desperately needed.
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[14:13] <[Saint]> Its all pretty dodgy. The guys that got the contract are a "public" firm, but its really just a large extension of a government owned asset that had no business bidding on a government contract. But, because its their "public" arm of the firm, its /technically/ all above board.
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[14:14] <[Saint]> And both sides get to claim taxation breaks on the job. :-/
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[14:15] <[Saint]> one of the many reasons why they outbid us, and everyone else, by a pretty fantastic margin.
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[14:17] <[Saint]> probably would've picked up around 60 new staff for a period of a least 12 months if we got that contract.
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[14:18] <[Saint]> instead the government is essentially paying itself for the contract and doing the work itself.
[14:18] <[Saint]> heh. sorry. I'm kinda grumpy about it.
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[14:19] <Armand> Government == "Dodgy"
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[14:23] <MY123> [Saint]: Do you know what sucks? The fantastic µ$ margins.
[14:24] <MY123> (and ThreadX by Express Logic Inc.)
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[14:59] <lerc> It works! http://i.imgur.com/cLcirMy.jpg
[15:01] <[Saint]> whoah, that was close.
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[15:01] <[Saint]> I almost dumped a pastebuffer full of ~1200 LOC into the channel
[15:01] <[Saint]> and quassel-client isn't smart enough to not let me do that.
[15:02] <[Saint]> in fact, its "smart" enough to rate limit the etxt flow and avoid being kicked for flooding. :-/
[15:02] <[Saint]> which, would be very appropriate in such a case.
[15:03] <[Saint]> I accidentally spat out ~120 LOC in here the other day - it was painful. I couldn't stop it.
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[15:19] <IT_Sean> Morning
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[15:32] <MY123> IT_Sean: Hi. ThreadX sucks. (no good docs)
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[15:34] <IT_Sean> MY123: why are you pinging me with this?
[15:35] <shiftplusone> "wah, I don't have docs for a product I haven't paid for" ?
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[15:35] <MY123> IT_Sean: Anything. But what really is bad is that the Raspberry Pi firmware is ThreadX based.
[15:36] <shiftplusone> you haven't given any reasons for why you think it's bad. It's a tiny snippet of the firmware and makes life hell of a lot easier
[15:37] <MY123> shiftplusone: Where is the tx_platform.h please ?
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[15:39] <MY123> Just telling you that it is useless for me , as I haven't some headers.
[15:39] <shiftplusone> It's not FOR you.
[15:40] <MY123> shiftplusone: Runned a blinker thread with a minimal header on the RTOS. Would like to do more.
[15:41] <MY123> ( yes , there is a FOSS compiler)
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[15:44] <MY123> Anyway, will continue Freeblob to make it run something another than blinker01 on the ARM.
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[15:46] <shiftplusone> if you have stuff running on the arm, that's actually cool
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[15:48] <MY123> shiftplusone: Have a linker script problem. Anyway , it works when replaced with a memcpy. I can confirm that the OTP can be accessed from the ARM.
[15:49] <MY123> (May try to burn the secure boot OTP to see how it will boot)
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[15:50] <gordonDrogon> MY123, you speak as if someone here listens to you...
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[15:52] <MY123> RaTTuS|BIG: Have enough cakes. Does not need more.
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[16:52] <ocx> hi all, i am looking to output 2 hdmi from my RPI, for that i need a usb to hdmi that works on RPI does anyone know of any??? thanks ! :)
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[16:53] <pksato> ocx: two independent display, or both with same image?
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[17:04] <ocx> pksato: either would work
[17:05] <ocx> anyone?
[17:06] <lost_soul> ocx: http://mycablemart.com/store/cart.php?m=product_detail&p=4518
[17:06] <lost_soul> would something like that work for you?
[17:06] <lost_soul> prolly be a better solution than using usb
[17:06] <ocx> lost_soul: how about if i want to send two different signals
[17:07] <lost_soul> ocx: didn't you just say either would work?
[17:07] <ocx> correct, but curious to know about the second option
[17:07] <lost_soul> if you need a different signal then you would have to go with a usb solution
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[17:08] <ocx> lost_soul: do you know any that work with RpI?
[17:08] <ocx> i cant find on the net :)
[17:08] <lost_soul> ocx: I don't, sorry
[17:08] <ocx> anyone in the channel guys?
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[17:09] <shiftplusone> ocx, sorry, that's not something people generally try to do
[17:10] <lost_soul> I wouldn't think the Pi is powerful enough to stream two video signals at once
[17:10] <ocx> would like to give it a ashot
[17:10] <lost_soul> I may very well be wrong, but that is a LOT to ask from a $35 board
[17:11] <lost_soul> ocx: so start buying usb adapters and report in which work and which do not... I'm sure the information will be of use to someone else eventually
[17:11] <lost_soul> :p
[17:11] <ocx> good option!
[17:11] <ocx> :)
[17:12] <ocx> i am thinking about a small pc now..
[17:12] <ocx> with pci
[17:12] <lost_soul> yea, I'm great at spending other peoples money
[17:12] <lost_soul> what are these two video sources?
[17:12] <lost_soul> can you not just buy another pi and run two systems
[17:13] <lost_soul> cheaper than buying another system
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[17:15] <ocx> lost_soul: what is the fastest way to connect 2 rpi?
[17:16] <ocx> network 100mbp?
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[17:16] <SpeedEvil> ocx: remove the RAM from the top of the SOC, connect with a very fast FPGA two Pis and some fast RAM
[17:17] <ocx> SpeedEvil: will that run over 1 operating system? means you clustered it?
[17:17] <shiftplusone> the fastest is DSI, but that's not ready yet
[17:17] <SpeedEvil> In principle - sure.
[17:18] <SpeedEvil> It's just like any other clustered system, it can share arbitrary configurable bits of RAM
[17:18] <lost_soul> if you want it to act like a clustered system, cluster it
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[17:18] <gordonDrogon> didn't I read that the Pi can handle 2 x DSI plus HDMI at the same time?
[17:18] <SpeedEvil> s/clustered/multiprocessor/
[17:18] <lost_soul> no need to remove ram in that case... others have already clustered up to 24 pi's if memory serves
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[17:18] <SpeedEvil> lost_soul: yes - but not at full RAM speed.
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[17:19] <lost_soul> SpeedEvil: oh, wasn't aware of that.. nice. Would he then be able to send two different streams to the hdmi's?
[17:19] <lost_soul> I'm not all that familiar with clustering so not sure.
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[17:21] <SpeedEvil> lost_soul: It'd basically be a two processor pi, like any two processor motherboard
[17:21] <SpeedEvil> On DSI
[17:21] <gordonDrogon> it would be an intersting shared memory bus ...
[17:21] <SpeedEvil> It seems unlikely that it will be usable ever a a 'raw' interface.
[17:21] <zeroquake> are they any diy projects for normal x86 motherboards?
[17:22] <zeroquake> like reusing old laptops and connecting sensors etc to them
[17:22] <gordonDrogon> one of the supercomputers I worked on way back worked like that - you effectively DMA'd memory from one node to another ...
[17:22] <SpeedEvil> CSI similarly - the camera bus - has zero ability to connect anything other than the specific camera involved.
[17:23] <SpeedEvil> An open driver might make this considerably more flexible - at least to the point of allowing the choice of several hundred different cameras - properly connected and configured.
[17:23] <gordonDrogon> you could make a "ring" network - one Pi's DSI connected to the next's CSI, etc. :)
[17:23] <SpeedEvil> Perhaps to the point of actually being an arbitrary data interface. The hardware may not allow that though
[17:23] <gordonDrogon> or build a switch to hook them into - need a fast fpga/asic though..
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[17:24] <gordonDrogon> but at the end of the day ... this is just a Pi..
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[17:24] <gordonDrogon> and it's really nothing more than an academic excercise to cluster them up...
[17:24] <SpeedEvil> Indeed.
[17:25] <SpeedEvil> There is very little point in clustering Pis, other than to get experience with loosely coupled multiprocessor systems
[17:25] <gordonDrogon> We tried it at a local LUG meeting one night - I forget the numbers, but I think it took 7 Pi's to match the laptop the chap was using to co-ordinate them all (calculating Pi)
[17:26] <shiftplusone> SpeedEvil, the problem is just lack of documentation. The hardware is perfectly accessible from ARM (the 4-lane DSI port is a little glitchy, but that's easy to work around). If the docs are released, it will be almost trivial.
[17:26] <gordonDrogon> Ah, 8 Pi's matched the laptop, and 9 beat it.
[17:26] <SpeedEvil> shiftplusone: Is it connected to the ARM, not the GPU?
[17:26] <SpeedEvil> It seemed more likely to me it'd be connected to some functional unit to do vignetting/... correction
[17:27] <SpeedEvil> err - CSI I meant
[17:27] <gordonDrogon> I imagine the DSI port is just a DMA engine and a serialiser...
[17:27] <shiftplusone> The registers for pretty much everything are accessible from both ARM and VC
[17:27] <SpeedEvil> ah
[17:27] <SpeedEvil> Can the CPU get to the GPUs memory without issue?
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[17:28] <shiftplusone> Through the mailbox interface, yeah
[17:28] <shiftplusone> You can map it
[17:28] <shiftplusone> an example: https://github.com/phire/hackdriver/blob/master/test.cpp
[17:29] <SpeedEvil> Interesting
[17:29] <MY123> DSI speed: 2Gbps
[17:30] <shiftplusone> That's if you want to allocate gpu memory for your own needs. Otherwise, you have /dev/mem for pretty much everything.
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[17:31] <SpeedEvil> MY123: actually on the Pi, or in general, you mean
[17:31] <SpeedEvil> DSI and CSI speed varies with number of lanes
[17:31] <MY123> SpeedEvil: The Pi has six 500Mbps lanes.
[17:32] <MY123> (Six on a CoMo)
[17:32] <SpeedEvil> thanks
[17:32] <SpeedEvil> Doe anyone happen to know in principle what the limits ont he CSI bus are?
[17:32] <SpeedEvil> What size of camera can it cope with?
[17:33] <shiftplusone> CSI is very fiddly
[17:33] <shiftplusone> and picky
[17:33] <SpeedEvil> yeah
[17:33] <SpeedEvil> http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Nokia-808-PureView-RM-807-803-Back-Camera-Module-Replacement-Part-USA-/151263172198?pt=US_Cell_Phone_Replacement_Parts_Tools&hash=item2337fcd666
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[17:33] <SpeedEvil> Finding config data for camera i going to be fun
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[17:35] <MY123> shiftplusone: Will you release your work somewhere ?
[17:35] <shiftplusone> It's not for me to make that decision.
[17:35] <SpeedEvil> I should note for those in the background that I have almost no specific knowledge of the Pi.
[17:36] <MY123> shiftplusone: You should be able to release bin files.
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[17:37] <shiftplusone> I am able to do a lot of things. They would just be unprofessional.
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[17:39] <MY123> shiftplusone: Anyway , will RE the DSI and CSI-2 interface, but wonders if it's worth the hassle.
[17:39] <shiftplusone> have fun
[17:41] <MY123> Doing most of the work from The Miraculous Unstripped Blob.
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[17:43] <shiftplusone> Don't discuss your illegal activities here
[17:43] <shiftplusone> well maybe 'illegal' is a bit strong, so I'll go with questionable instead
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[17:45] <ocx> can i get it using a network card 10mbps?
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[17:51] <MY123> shiftplusone: Have not yet started disassembly. Now using the BCM21153_ICS_Graphics_Stack.tgz bcm_usrlib/dag/vmcsx/vcinclude/
[17:52] <MY123> (sorry if a little offtopic)
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[17:55] <SpeedEvil> Depending where you are, if you legally obtained the binary - dissasembly may be explicitly legal
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[17:57] <MY123> SpeedEvil: Obtained it from github.com/raspberrypi/firmware
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[17:59] <MY123> I'm now in Tunisia for holidays, they are not strong copyright law there.
[17:59] <shiftplusone> SpeedEvil, what about using the disassembly for your own work, injecting things into it or distributing modified versions?
[18:00] <MY123> ( yes, I did read the lay)
[18:00] <MY123> *law
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[18:00] <MY123> shiftplusone: Using it for writing some docs, should be legal.
[18:01] <shiftplusone> aye, I think so too
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[18:02] <MY123> shiftplusone: Phoenix did the same thing to RE the IBM PC BIOS( they wrote PhoenixBIOS)
[18:03] <SpeedEvil> Distributing modified versions is likely illegal - unless the source permits redistribution and does not limit derivatives
[18:03] <SpeedEvil> Licence matters
[18:03] <shiftplusone> SpeedEvil, broadcom has a license attached specifically saying you can't
[18:03] <DanDare> Hello. Im trying to compile a wifi driver but I have problems with pi linux-headers. 'uname -r' says 3.12.25+ but apt repos doesnt have this version for headers. Im not used to github, trying to find there what to get but without success. Any clue ?
[18:04] <shiftplusone> DanDare, download the kernel source and install the headers from there
[18:04] <MY123> shiftplusone : Will not redistribute a modified blob but some simple .vlls.
[18:04] <DanDare> shiftplusone, ok I will try it, thank you
[18:05] <shiftplusone> I don't care what you do, I just hope it doesn't interfere with the potential release of VC4 docs by Broadcom.
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[18:05] <MY123> shiftplusone: Reverse-enginnered the IOMMU and published simple docs for it.
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[18:06] <MY123> (There is also sample code)
[18:06] <DanDare> shiftplusone, 'linux-source-3.12' is what I need ?
[18:06] <shiftplusone> DanDare, https://github.com/raspberrypi/linux
[18:06] <DanDare> Ah ok
[18:07] <MY123> DanDare: linux-source-3.12 is the mainline kernel.
[18:08] <MY123> shiftplusone: What is the chance for Broadcom ever releasing docs ?
[18:08] <shiftplusone> I don't see why they would stop at the 3D stuff.
[18:09] <DanDare> On github we have folder 'kernel' that says 'Merge remote-tracking branch 'stable/linux-3.12.y' into rpi-3.12.y'. Its what I need ?
[18:09] <MY123> shiftplusone: The 3D stuff (QPU's) was designed by Upton E.
[18:09] <shiftplusone> So?
[18:10] <shiftplusone> As far as anyone is concerned, it's designed and owned by broadcom, like the rest of the chip (aside from the arm and such)
[18:10] <DanDare> Then I just point /lib/modules/3.12.25+/build to that directory? Thats what I should try ?
[18:10] <shiftplusone> DanDare, there's a headers install thing for make
[18:10] <shiftplusone> so... read the manual, I don't have everything memorized.
[18:11] <DanDare> shiftplusone, ok. Sorry for my ignorance but what manual ? Inside 'kernel' folder?
[18:11] <MY123> shiftplusone: Yes. But the other stuff is much more :p̂atented:.
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[18:12] <shiftplusone> so?
[18:12] <shiftplusone> DanDare, google says https://www.kernel.org/doc/Documentation/make/headers_install.txt
[18:13] <DanDare> Ok, a generic manual thing. thank you
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[18:14] <shiftplusone> MY123, in a way, patents are what would make releasing docs easier, rather than harder.
[18:14] <shiftplusone> since it would still protect their IP
[18:14] <shiftplusone> but having said that, I don't know what's going on at broadcom or what their plans are.
[18:15] <MY123> shiftplusone: They can release a free blob with another RTOS than ThreadY.
[18:16] <shiftplusone> Aside from threadx, there's lots of other things they wouldn't be allowed to release if they wanted to
[18:16] <shiftplusone> and hacking it out of the firmware would be silly
[18:17] <MY123> shiftplusone: MPEG LA . Know that.
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[18:17] <shiftplusone> If they release anything, it won't be in the form of source code, I think.
[18:17] <DanDare> shiftplusone, this looks interesting https://www.grendelman.net/wp/compiling-kernel-modules-for-raspbian-raspberry-pi/
[18:18] <shiftplusone> And I need to put a huge disclaimer that I'm just speculating, not providing any inside info (which I don't have).
[18:18] <MY123> They can remove HDCP also
[18:18] <shiftplusone> DanDare, outdated and irrelevant
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[18:18] <DanDare> Ah
[18:18] <MY123> shiftplusone: Do you currently have the blob source code ?
[18:19] <shiftplusone> Do you currently have your credit card number?
[18:19] <MY123> If yes, can you do a "wc -l" on it ?
[18:19] <MY123> (just curious)
[18:20] <MY123> shiftplusone: For running a 'wc -l' on it, not much.
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[18:20] <shiftplusone> sure, right after you give me that number, name, expiry date and security number on the back.
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[18:21] <MY123> shiftplusone: You will never have that before a century or so.
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[18:21] <shiftplusone> exactly
[18:22] <MY123> shiftplusone: Is the number of source code lines confidential ?
[18:22] <[Saint]> apparently MY123 is unfamiliar with the terms of an NDA.
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[18:22] <MY123> [Saint]: Never signed one.
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[18:23] <shiftplusone> It doesn't matter if it's confidential, it's none of your business and would be unprofessional for me to say.
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[18:23] <Boscop> ShorTie: apparently it's using the r8712u driver. other ppl had problems with this too: http://www.raspberrypi.org/forums/viewtopic.php?t=8593&p=102635
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[18:25] <[Saint]> MY123: if you want it that badly, fork over the cash, then martyr yourself and breach the NDA and post sources.
[18:25] <[Saint]> Beofre you respond:
[18:25] <[Saint]> If you're unwilling to do this, think about how others might feel.
[18:26] <MY123> [Saint]: Never asked about source.
[18:26] <[Saint]> ...you literally just did.
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[18:27] <[Saint]> But - anyway - here's an idea. Howabout we shut up about things that obviously aren't going to happen.
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[18:28] <Boscop> i can't connect to wifi, using driver r8712u
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[18:28] <MY123> [Saint]: Asked about the number of lines in the SRC code , nor the code. Even the number of code lines of Windows is known.
[18:28] <Boscop> wlan0 is up, and dhclient wlan0 returns without errors, but it doesn't connect
[18:29] <MY123> *not the code
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[18:30] <MY123> It is as useless as it MD5 hash.
[18:30] <[Saint]> ...just shut it dude. Really.
[18:30] <MY123> *its
[18:30] <shiftplusone> the md5 hash is 3. have fun.
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[18:31] <[Saint]> make a piFS volume - all the files in the world, ever, are contained as hashes in the infinite bounds of pi...
[18:31] <MY123> shiftplusone: Will
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[18:32] <MY123> *which I don't expect to have.
[18:32] <MY123> $BAD keyboard$
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[18:52] <zero_coder> i hpiave bought a usb sound card , i dont know wheather its working with my r
[18:52] <zero_coder> rpi*
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[18:54] <gordonDrogon> zero_coder, do you have another PC you could try it in ?
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[18:55] <zero_coder> gordonDrogon, its working with windows
[18:57] <snuggyfoo> Is anyone so bored that they'd like to help me with a pimusicbox/NAS mount problem?
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[19:03] <[Saint]> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NekLVPtm6ro
[19:03] <gordonDrogon> zero_coder, so the usual checks - does lsusb see it, output of dmesg, google to see if Linux supports it and so on...
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[19:50] <[Saint]> Is there a moral compas in the house?
[19:50] <[Saint]> I need someone to read http://forums.rockbox.org/index.php/topic,48425.new.html#new for me and tell me if its as confrontational as I suspect it might be.
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[19:50] <[Saint]> I have an awful time with phrasing my intentions and often come across as blunt and/or aggressive.
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[19:52] <Armand> A wee bit, for the overly-sensitive. :P
[19:53] <shiftplusone> seems fine to me
[19:53] <shiftplusone> but if it seems fine to me, that might be cause to be cautious >.>
[19:53] * [Saint] snickers
[19:54] <Armand> Some people are TOO touchy..
[19:54] <shiftplusone> Armand, what do you mean by THAT!? D=
[19:54] <Armand> And I'm not just talking about Mr. Harris
[19:54] <shiftplusone> >_<
[19:54] <Armand> Sorry....
[19:54] <shiftplusone> had to go there ey
[19:54] <[Saint]> ROLF...I mean, ROFL
[19:55] <shiftplusone> heh
[19:55] <Armand> At least it's not just me. ^_^
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[19:55] <Armand> I'm getting some funny looks in the office now. :P
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[19:57] <[Saint]> It wasn't until about two years ago that I added smileys to my IRC lexicon.
[19:57] <[Saint]> That greatly reduced my being misinterpreted greatly.
[19:57] <[Saint]> It still happens often, though.
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[19:58] <[Saint]> So when in doubt I check with "real humans" now.
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[19:58] <Armand> I tend not to care too much as to how I'm perceived. :P
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[20:00] <[Saint]> I /try/ not to. But that's difficult when you're somewhat of an authority on a very particular set of skills and handle support for a mid-to-large sized community.
[20:01] <[Saint]> It often gets misinterpreted as elitism for daring to point to documentation or re-post links where I've already answered a specific question.
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[20:02] <[Saint]> And I'm oft accused of being too cold and blunt.
[20:02] <gordonDrogon> [Saint], I get people asking stuff like that all the time for wiringPi related stuff
[20:02] <[Saint]> I's is only a hoomanz.
[20:02] <[Saint]> gordonDrogon: but users expect a personalized hand tailored response...
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[20:04] <[Saint]> I'm one of approximately 3 active people that could call themselves an "expert" on the subject of Rockbox's obscure proprietary theme engine markup.
[20:05] <shiftplusone> (it is an ugly looking thing)
[20:05] <[Saint]> And there's a /huuuuuuge/ learning curve for it. So there's a fair bit of hand holding required early on.
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[20:06] <shiftplusone> It looks like regex written by a drunk cat on a keyboard.
[20:06] <[Saint]> The users make some...interesting...themes:
[20:06] <[Saint]> http://themes.rockbox.org/index.php?target=ipodvideo
[20:06] <[Saint]> shiftplusone: fair description. :)
[20:06] <[Saint]> Some of them are very good indeed.
[20:07] <[Saint]> Others take the special bus to school...
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[20:07] <ShorTie> it's called 'to each thier own"
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[20:08] <[Saint]> one of the first themes I ever made:
[20:08] <[Saint]> http://themes.rockbox.org/index.php?themeid=1249&target=ipodcolor
[20:08] <shiftplusone> I don't see anything terribly terrible there.
[20:09] <[Saint]> Hi, Cupertino, why yes...that *is* a pixel perfect re-implementation of your default firmware. Thanks for noticing.
[20:09] <shiftplusone> some look a bit... comic-sansey
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[20:10] <MY123> Is this channel #rockbox ?
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[20:11] <shiftplusone> MY123, let the ops op
[20:11] <shiftplusone> as I said earlier, any sensible topic is fine as long as it doesn't drown out pi-related questions.
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[20:51] <miauriel> Greetings everyone
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[20:52] <miauriel> does anyone have a minute to help me figure out if there is an operating procedure for what I am trying to do with my pi?
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[20:53] <miauriel> is anyone monitoring this?
[20:54] <ShorTie> not till you tell us what your trying to do
[20:54] <ShorTie> otherwize we are clueless
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[20:57] <miauriel> right. I have a pi and I will be powering it from the 5 volt line on my ATX PSU. I have a few 3.5 inch HDD that I will be connecting via usb interfaces for a home server that I will connect via the 12 volt power. I figured I could set the GPIO's to jump the PSU power line to "wake up" the drives (and saving power). I just need to know if there is a way I can set the pi so that anytime anything wants to access those drives it waits the
[20:57] <miauriel> 10 seconds so I the PSU can come online and the HDD's can spin up
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[20:59] <egradman> Hey. I build large networks of Raspberry Pis for show-control. I build large show-control networks of Raspberry Pis, all running C++ and Python code from a common repository. I don't like keeping computers in sync so my Raspberry Pis are all NFS booted from a Linux server. That Linux server has a cross-compiler, because these computers are often running OpenFrameworks (C++) applications.
[21:00] <egradman> Rather than set all that up manually for each network, I've developed a "one-click" way of spinning up a virtual machine on Mac, Linux, or Windows(?) to nfs boot and cross-compile for rpi.
[21:00] <egradman> https://github.com/twobitcircus/rpi-build-and-boot
[21:00] <egradman> Just thought I'd share it here in case it's useful to anyone else
[21:03] <miauriel> I should mention that I will have all my external HDD's set to auto mount on start up from the fstab to my /media, and I've shared my /media in samba over my network at home. I am currently using it as a samba server and a transmission bit torrent box
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[21:03] <miauriel> so between torrents and things needing the HDD's I want them powered off
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[21:06] <ShorTie> you can not do that with power management in the os, i don't think it's a good idea just to shut the power off to a hdd
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[21:10] <miauriel> can you control the power management of a HDD from the usb connector?
[21:12] <miauriel> I havent been able to find out any of that info
[21:12] <ppq> miauriel, depends
[21:12] <ppq> some controllers support setting the standby time using hdparm
[21:12] <ppq> others don't
[21:12] <ppq> you'd have to try it
[21:12] <miauriel> hmmm ok is that something I have to d/l hdparm just to find out?
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[21:15] <ppq> miauriel, the hdparm package is usually pre-installed
[21:15] <ppq> if not, just install it
[21:15] <miauriel> im looking into that ATT. will report back in a moment
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[21:39] <The_HunterT> Offtopic: Anyone have experince with WASDKeyboards?
[21:42] <gordonDrogon> isn't wasd just the arrow key layout for some games?
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[21:42] <The_HunterT> I'm talking about the brand.
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[21:43] <gordonDrogon> ah. didn't know there was a brand... in that case no - sorry!
[21:43] <gordonDrogon> oh look, pretty colours!
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[21:49] <miauriel> can anyone suggest a good learning utility for learning the GPIO pins on the Pi B+
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[21:57] <miauriel> Does anyone know why my raspian keeps replacing the file names on my mounted drives with %20?
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[22:02] <ShorTie> the 1st 26 gpio pins on the B+ are the same as on the B, so i would think any learning utility for the B would work on the B+
[22:04] <miauriel> ok thank you. Any thoughts on the %20 problem?
[22:04] <ShorTie> wiringPi might be a place to start, Sir Gordon has lots of fun little things he has done
[22:04] <ShorTie> sorry, No idea on that 1
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[22:08] <gordonDrogon> miauriel, what sort of things are you looking to go?
[22:08] <Jusii> miauriel: most likely character encoding
[22:09] <miauriel> eventually? send radio transmissions
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[22:09] <miauriel> so use the gpio to tell a transmitter to put power out at a certain MHz
[22:11] <gordonDrogon> there is a lot online about that - using it to transmit at approx. 100Mhz. It's very very crude.
[22:11] <sniggle> if i want to remotely control a pi via an iphone but can't guarantee wifi access, would my best bet be for it to host a wifi ap? i don't think bluetooth comms are possible via iphone
[22:11] <gordonDrogon> however you can generate a clock at lots of freuencies if you're subsequently going to pass it into a shaper/amplifier...
[22:12] <gordonDrogon> going to make some bread. back later.
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[22:14] <DanDare> sniggle, a option can be controlling it over internet or LAN. Both connected to internet, pi on the ethernet cable
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[22:15] <sniggle> yeah, i'd like to be able to set up a pi somewhere and control it witha reasonable distance without any assumption of a viable wifi network
[22:16] <sniggle> which is why i thought AP, or also a 3g dongle is an option as well
[22:16] <DanDare> true
[22:16] <DanDare> sniggle, you must check then compatibility between 3g dongles and pi
[22:16] <sniggle> lastly considered setting up a hotspot on my phone, where the pi knows to look for that SSID and auto connect to it, which should allow me to connect back to it also
[22:18] <sniggle> also probably a super sneaky method of communicating via ultra high frequency sounds using a mic at super low bandwidth
[22:18] <DanDare> :D
[22:19] <ppq> https://github.com/Katee/quietnet
[22:19] <ppq> kind of related
[22:19] <ppq> cool idea
[22:19] <DanDare> yeah, quite interesting project
[22:20] <sniggle> yeah that's the ticket. would be horrendously slow though
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[22:24] <sniggle> i believe android can ssh via bluetooth due to some serial capability, but from what i understand ios doesn't support that
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[22:43] <gordonDrogon> sound data comms is OK - it's old, well tried and tested.
[22:44] <gordonDrogon> e.g. modems over the phone
[22:44] <gordonDrogon> or old compute casette tapes - they were often 300 baud FSK.
[22:44] <gordonDrogon> gets a bit tiring on the ears though :)
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[22:45] <DanDare> gordonDrogon, yeah... I remember that, old z-80 era :)
[22:46] <DanDare> they used sounds in the audible range though
[22:46] <gordonDrogon> yup.
[22:46] <gordonDrogon> because that's all the casette tapes of the day could handle...
[22:46] <DanDare> I see
[22:47] <gordonDrogon> I think some (bbc micro?) managed 1200 baud, but I'd have to go & checl..
[22:47] <gordonDrogon> not really suitable for wireless comms between phone & pi though - stick to Wi-fi :)
[22:47] <DanDare> I dont know... only i used was ZXspectrum ones
[22:49] <DanDare> the handshake was a quite long high pitch noise (a B perhaps)
[22:50] <DanDare> *or part of the handshake
[22:50] <gordonDrogon> it was sort of academic for me - I couldn't afford an Apple II originaly and when I could get something I go a Beeb & disc drives (then an apple II, again with disks)
[22:50] <ebarch> sniggle: you could use something like this http://www.u-blox.com/en/bluetooth-wifi-multiradio-modules/bluetooth-low-energy/ols425-bluetooth-low-energy-module.html almost all modern ios/android devices support BLE
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[22:51] <ebarch> you would have write some software though :P
[22:52] <DanDare> first computer i got that had a floppy was the MSX
[22:53] <DanDare> Apple II was really costly back that era. more of a professional machine rather than foe educational/recreation purposes
[22:54] <sniggle> i was under the impression that ios was unable to do serial comms over bluetooth, but maybe that is no longer the case
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[22:55] <MuNk`> Quick GPIO question, is it possible to power the PI via the GPIO instead of the micro-usb?
[22:55] <DanDare> sniggle, you will probably need to pay for sockets or whatever Apple had put there as limitation :)
[22:55] <ebarch> you can't do serial over traditional bluetooth. BLE (Bluetooth 4.0) allows you to send 20 byte packets with the native iOS API
[22:55] <ebarch> so it wouldn't be sockets...you would have to implement your own protocol over BLE
[22:56] <ebarch> i should rephrase that...you can do serial over traditional bluetooth if you become apple certified and pay a bunch of money
[22:57] <ebarch> MuNk`: http://raspberrypi.stackexchange.com/questions/1617/how-do-i-supply-power-through-the-gpio
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[22:57] <ebarch> why do you need to power it through GPIO?
[22:58] <sniggle> ah, i can write that code. but i guess i'd have to also write a custom server for it on the pi to proxy ssh commands
[22:58] <ebarch> indeed
[22:58] <ebarch> but, possible :)
[22:59] <sniggle> and the security would be terrible unless i incorporated encryption
[22:59] <MuNk`> saw a nicely done project fiting a RPi into a Pocket GameBoy, and been looking at doing same sort of thing. just wasnt sure about the difference between GPIO2 and GPIO4 if they were different, or both just the v5 rail
[23:00] <DanDare> sniggle, well, using your own protocol, doing something almost nobody does... it got already a large amount of security thought obscurity :p
[23:00] <sniggle> yeah, but if i'm proxying output from ssh command results, that plain text should be hidden away
[23:00] <sniggle> but yeah your point is valid
[23:00] <sniggle> this is why the wifi ap method is a bit nicer
[23:00] <ebarch> sniggle: realistically you'd probably only be able to push about 4KB/s as a heads up
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[23:01] <sniggle> plenty for most console output
[23:02] <ebarch> MuNk`: ah, I see. it's not pretty but I've also seen people do this http://www.daveakerman.com/?page_id=1294
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[23:05] <MuNk`> thank ebarch
[23:05] <ebarch> np
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[23:12] <DanDare> I installed raspbian netinst version. After that I did 'rpi-update'. Ended with 'uname -r' = 3.12.22 and got 3.12.25+ under /lib/modules. Is this a mess right now?
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[23:15] <DanDare> hmm, there is clues here http://www.raspberrypi.org/forums/viewtopic.php?f=66&t=50310
[23:16] <DanDare> well, i guess i just did it the wrong way
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[23:18] <djapo> im having a problem with x , i loose mouse and keyboard when i xinit but when i kill it i regain them, http://dpaste.com/0XZDZ93
[23:19] <djapo> this is right after i upgraded to the latest packages
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[23:20] <djapo> whole log here. http://dpaste.com/0VB89Q3
[23:24] <DanDare> djapo, you mean if you kill it and restart just the same you did in the first time?
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[23:24] <Ryan_On_Mars> Hi guys. I'm trying to get youtube on raspbmc, put I can't figure out how to install the add-on
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[23:26] <djapo> DanDare: no i mean, that if i ssh and kill it i regain mouse
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[23:26] <DanDare> djapo, what youre killing? Xorg ?
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[23:29] <ShorTie> djapo, is this raspbian or some other os ??
[23:29] <djapo> DanDare: yes, i can't use the mouse or keyboard if i don't
[23:29] <djapo> arch
[23:30] <ShorTie> sortta figured that, hehe.
[23:30] <ShorTie> need to start working thru your EE's and WW's in the log file
[23:31] <ShorTie> X in raspbian has been tweeked/optimized by pro's for the pi
[23:31] <djapo> ShorTie: it works when i startx but not when i xinit
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[23:32] <ShorTie> don't think i could ever get X to work right with (WW) warning, (EE) error in the log file
[23:33] <ShorTie> raspbian has lots of special sauce in it for X and things
[23:34] <ShorTie> imho, arch is ok for command line, but that is just me
[23:35] <djapo> ok, i think i figured it out, something in the latest x means i have to use startx and not xinit
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