#raspberrypi IRC Log

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IRC Log for 2014-08-02

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[0:08] <trohrt> I have a minidlna server setup on my raspberry pi, is there any way to access it outside of my local network?
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[0:13] <surfn> yo
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[0:17] <DanDare> trohrt, probably (i dont know minidlna). First, check if minidlna has any security configuration that you can set it do be or not be exposed to the external IP. Before that, check how to forward the ports used by minidlna (in the router or whatever is the LAN gateway). In some routers you can set a IP as DMZ, meaning that all ports on that IP will be exposed to the external network
[0:18] <DanDare> *not Before that but "After that" :)
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[0:27] <trohrt> DanDare: okay, thanks :)
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[0:28] <DanDare> np, good luck:)
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[0:37] <clever> DanDare: but i think all dlna work via broadcast packets on a lan
[0:38] <clever> and the protocol just isnt meant to be used over the web
[0:39] <DanDare> clever, I see. So he will need something like VPN or anything capable to bridge him there <-- trohrt take note
[0:40] <DanDare> damn, hes left
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[0:41] <MY123> DanDare: He can read the logs.
[0:41] <DanDare> well, yeah :)
[0:42] <clever> DanDare: or just pick a better protocol
[0:43] <DanDare> heh
[0:43] <clever> i use http to share video files with my mobile devices
[0:44] <clever> now lets see, will i get i2c out of this chip now!
[0:44] * DanDare crosses finger
[0:44] <clever> i suspect i had too much of a pullup on the clock line
[0:44] <clever> it wasnt going all the way to 0 on the scope
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[0:46] <clever> still zip
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[0:47] <DanDare> clever, thats weird? a pullup should not interfere on that, right?
[0:48] <DanDare> clever, or maybe the chip technology, not bringing it down to 0V rail?
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[0:48] * DanDare goes wild
[0:49] <clever> the sink on the pi cant fight 2 pullups at once
[0:49] <clever> it turns into a voltage divider
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[0:49] <clever> so the rail only dips to ~half of 3.3
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[0:50] <DanDare> clever, maybe try higher resistor values ?
[0:50] <clever> the pi has onboard pull-ups
[0:50] <clever> so i just disconnected the external ones
[0:50] <DanDare> I see
[0:50] <clever> the clock line looks crisp now, but still zip
[0:51] <clever> oh wait
[0:51] <clever> 10: 10 -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- --
[0:51] <DanDare> clever, its possible to bypass internal ones and use your own resistors there?
[0:51] <clever> i was searching the 0x20 range
[0:51] <clever> nope, you would have to modify the board
[0:51] <clever> but i see something
[0:51] <DanDare> :(
[0:51] <clever> http://pastebin.com/7PY8dFrR
[0:52] <clever> i think its working
[0:52] <clever> need to open the datasheet now and compare
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[0:53] <clever> its not exactly at the address i was expecting, but its doing something
[0:53] <clever> hmmm, if i yank power...
[0:53] <DanDare> sounds funny
[0:53] <clever> its gone! :D
[0:53] <clever> and its back!
[0:53] <clever> ok, so its clearly the chip i wired in that is responding :)
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[0:54] <DanDare> somewhat responding you mean I guess :P
[0:54] <clever> http://www.mouser.com/ds/2/76/CS8416_F3-34501.pdf
[0:54] <clever> page 34
[0:54] <clever> so i had the binary->hex address off by one bit
[0:54] <clever> oh, i see what i had wrong, i forgot, the lowest bit of an i2c address is r/w signal
[0:55] <clever> thats why its in 0x10, not 0x20
[0:56] <DanDare> and nah.. i dont have knowledge to decrypt those datasheet hieroglyphs :p
[0:56] <DanDare> must try witching brain to binary mode
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[0:56] <DanDare> *switching
[0:57] <clever> page 34 onward describes each register in the pastebin
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[0:58] <DanDare> hm, i think the knowledge but not the skill for that
[0:58] <DanDare> *i think i have
[0:59] <clever> now i need to find the run bit
[0:59] <clever> ah, first i have to set it to master mode
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[1:01] <clever> done
[1:01] <DanDare> im the running bit now. need go get some path. later clever, good luck
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[1:02] <clever> progress!
[1:02] <clever> i have a clock!!
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[1:58] <faLUCE> hello, is there a cheaper alternative to rasp pi ? (I don't need a video output)
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[1:59] <ShorTie> nop, they all got video
[1:59] <shiftplusone> what do you need?
[1:59] <shiftplusone> there are stm32 boards, but they're not at all like the pi
[2:00] <faLUCE> shiftplusone: I need about all the pi features but I don't need the video output.
[2:00] <shiftplusone> then you're out of luck
[2:00] <shiftplusone> especially if you want it cheaper than the pi
[2:01] <faLUCE> shiftplusone: are there cheaper boards that are quite similar to what I want?
[2:02] <faLUCE> shiftplusone: for example: one usb port, no video, linux based
[2:02] <ShadowJK> Perhaps olimix imx233
[2:02] <ShadowJK> olimex*
[2:02] <shiftplusone> old laptops, routers, zipit z2..... if you want cheap.
[2:02] <ShadowJK> But as for linux support on ARM, nothing beats raspberry pi
[2:02] <shiftplusone> but the pi is designed to be the cheap board.... so saying you want a cheap alternative to the pi is a bit silly
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[2:03] <shiftplusone> before the pi, you'd be looking at $100 price tags for similar boards.
[2:03] <faLUCE> ShadowJK: it's not cheaper
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[2:03] <faLUCE> shiftplusone: ok, but I only need an usb port and wifi capabilities
[2:04] <ShadowJK> lol wifi
[2:04] <faLUCE> small and cheap
[2:04] <ShadowJK> electric imp?
[2:04] <ShadowJK> I forget, it probably doesn't have wifi
[2:04] <faLUCE> ShadowJK: ?
[2:04] <ShadowJK> .. and it obviously doesn't have gpio
[2:04] <faLUCE> ShadowJK: no problem for gpio
[2:04] <faLUCE> I use arduino
[2:04] <ShadowJK> And it's in weird form factor
[2:04] <ShadowJK> So earlier you said you want pi without video
[2:04] <ShadowJK> and now you say you dont need gpio
[2:05] <shiftplusone> sorry, I've got nothing. But if you do find something, do share.
[2:05] <faLUCE> ok
[2:05] <faLUCE> ShadowJK: later I asked for something QUITE similar
[2:06] <baldengineer> how much cheaper than $30?
[2:06] <ShadowJK> Yeah it's not going to exist, I think :)
[2:06] <baldengineer> that’s like saying “I want something like a car, but cheaper. I don’t need power windows."
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[2:07] <faLUCE> baldengineer: you have to add the power supply and the shipping
[2:07] <baldengineer> no
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[2:07] <baldengineer> you have to say what you are trying to do
[2:08] <faLUCE> and also the sd card
[2:08] <faLUCE> baldengineer: I need to make small modules connected to arduinos
[2:08] <baldengineer> okay so less than $50 single board computer
[2:08] <baldengineer> with an arm processor, 512mb of RAM, built-in flash storage, etc
[2:09] <baldengineer> sorry, not $50, that’s total price. You want what costs $29 to be $15 and the only thing you’re willing to give up is the $0.25 HDMI port
[2:09] <ShadowJK> That's an extremely expensive hdmi port :D
[2:09] <faLUCE> baldengineer: the problem is that I have to use several pis for the same project. then, I wonder
[2:09] <faLUCE> if are there cheaper alternatives
[2:10] <ShadowJK> Though, if you paid a few MILLIONS, you could probably design an Arm SOC without the videocore stuff, which would use up less die area, which would be less costly to manufacture
[2:10] <ShadowJK> the problem is, you'd have to make a few hundred million of them to get the economy of scale working
[2:10] <baldengineer> yeah I guess the question is, how many of these custom devices do you want to build? and how much NRE are you willing to put up front
[2:10] <baldengineer> it’s amazing, no matter what price somethign comes out at
[2:11] <faLUCE> about 10 for the same project
[2:11] <baldengineer> someone comes along “omg, that is SOOO EXPENSIVE!!!!!! I need something cheaper!!!!”
[2:11] <baldengineer> good luck with that
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[2:13] <faLUCE> baldengineer: I know that my question sounds strange, but it's not trivial
[2:14] <baldengineer> like I said, good luck
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[2:16] <baldengineer> either rescope your program, redesign the project, or stop looking for unicorn blood.
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[2:19] <faLUCE> bye
[2:19] <faLUCE> thhanks
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[2:19] <baldengineer> idiot
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[2:21] <baldengineer> probably not approprirate. just floors me when people unrealistc expectations and are confused why they are unrealstic
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[2:30] <Kanerix> Finally got my tiny USB wifi dongle thing in the mail.
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[2:31] <Kanerix> It's slightly smaller than the logitech keyboard/mouse dongle even
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[2:32] <Kanerix> However, I'm curious about the power draw of the system as a whole. lsusb -v shows that the logitech thing can draw up to 98 mA and the wifi can draw up to 500 mA
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[2:32] <Kanerix> How do I determine what the total power draw of the system is?
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[2:33] <Kanerix> I have it on a 2 amp supply right now, but I'm wondering how successfully I could decrease that without browning out the board
[2:33] <[Saint]> B or B+?
[2:34] <[Saint]> Unless its the latter, only 1.2A of that 2A is useful to you.
[2:34] <ShorTie> the only true way is with a current meter in the usb line
[2:34] <[Saint]> And the pi wants about 700mA itself
[2:34] <[Saint]> But probably more to boot, and at high clock.
[2:34] <Kanerix> Sorry, it's a B+
[2:35] <Kanerix> and I did clock it to 1GHz
[2:35] <[Saint]> In that case there's some special futzery that can allow the USB ports to serve up to 1.2A iirc.
[2:35] <shiftplusone> Kanerix, it doesn't matter what lsusb says. Those are not actually measured values.
[2:35] <Kanerix> shiftplusone, right, it's the max value that the device can request
[2:35] <Kanerix> per USB spec
[2:36] <Kanerix> USB charging spec allows for up to 1.5 amps
[2:36] <Kanerix> but not all devices will provide that much
[2:36] <shiftplusone> No, it's the maximum the guy who programmed it says it will draw... which means absolutely nothing.
[2:36] <Kanerix> heh
[2:36] <shiftplusone> so really, measuring is the only way to really know
[2:37] <Kanerix> Yeah, the board will just brown out if it can't pull enough, right?
[2:37] <Kanerix> Then stuff gets all stupid and crashy
[2:37] <[Saint]> iDevices (or devices that tell things they're iDevices) can pull 2.1A from a Mac.
[2:37] * shiftplusone grumbles about people saying the pi will draw 700mA
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[2:37] <ShorTie> B+, No the fixed that
[2:37] <Kanerix> oh nice
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[2:38] <ShorTie> the power light starts to blink 1st
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[2:38] <Kanerix> Does it consume less power if I don't have the ethernet port in use, for instance?
[2:38] <shiftplusone> the power supply can drown out.... and there's still a polyfuse on the pi. I don't remember the value of it off the top of my head, but what ShorTie is saying is right
[2:38] <shiftplusone> yeah, but not by much
[2:38] <Kanerix> What's a polyfuse?
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[2:39] <shiftplusone> a self-resetting fuse
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[2:39] <[Saint]> Polymeric fuse, gets too hot and loses conductivity.
[2:39] <[Saint]> Self limiting.
[2:39] <shiftplusone> acts as an open circuit when it heats up
[2:39] <shiftplusone> that
[2:39] <[Saint]> Cools down again, worky-work.
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[2:39] <Kanerix> effectively a solid state circuit breaker?
[2:40] <[Saint]> Pretty much.
[2:40] <Kanerix> cool
[2:40] * [Saint] wonders where Winter went
[2:41] <[Saint]> Its 23C here, its creepy.
[2:41] <Kanerix> With the wireless things, I think it's pretty cool to have the whole system with just an HDMI cable and USB cable plugged into it
[2:41] <ShorTie> but i think they degrade some with every pop, so you really don't want to push them much
[2:41] <[Saint]> 22C yesterday.
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[2:41] <shiftplusone> [Saint], close to Brit melting temperature
[2:41] <[Saint]> Heh.
[2:41] <Kanerix> It's about 35 C here
[2:41] <[Saint]> Nuts to that.
[2:42] <Kanerix> yeah, summer in Utah
[2:42] <shiftplusone> If you were in a room full of Brits and the temperature went up a few degrees, you'd be hearing complaint about it being 'warm' XD
[2:42] <[Saint]> Last week it was 2C at this time of day.
[2:42] <shiftplusone> and if it goes up a few degrees more... gee wiz
[2:42] <[Saint]> No one here has any idea what's going on.
[2:42] <[Saint]> All the spring bulbs are up 4 weeks early.
[2:42] <shiftplusone> all that global warming I tells ya
[2:43] <Kanerix> Well, I think our weathermen here have just given up. Our weather can shift from sunny to thunderstorm in 20 minutes
[2:43] <shiftplusone> got too many sheep producing too much methane
[2:43] <[Saint]> Lambs being born, that'll almost certainly get nuked in the snow later.
[2:43] <Kanerix> then back to sunny again an hour later
[2:43] <ShorTie> and i thought the ice age was making a come back .. :/~
[2:45] * [Saint] hops the Short Crust guys do a case for the B+
[2:45] <[Saint]> *hopes too
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[2:47] <[Saint]> I've been slowly replacing Bs with B+s and giving the Bs to the local high school.
[2:47] <[Saint]> No idea what they're doing with 'em, mind you.
[2:47] <[Saint]> But they seem appreciative.
[2:48] <Kanerix> cool
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[2:49] <[Saint]> I was keeping them thinking I'd do "something" with them...but, I wouldn't, lol.
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[2:50] <Kanerix> I bought one of the original B models (256MB) to play with, but I just ended up buying the codecs for it and turning it into an openelec media player
[2:50] <Kanerix> this one, I'm going to use to teach myself more programming stuff, with the eventual goal of building it into a robot chassis
[2:50] <[Saint]> (I have about a dozen raspi-based wireless repeaters/anonymizing APs in deployment)
[2:51] <Kanerix> which means learning how to access the GPIO and the electronics and whatnot
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[2:51] <Kanerix> I know linux really well, but my programming is weak
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[2:53] <[Saint]> I'm going to attempt to build a hilariously impractical DAP out of a B+ and a Wolfson Audio Board w/ the Adafruit TFT module and a 2000mA LiPo strapped on to it.
[2:53] <Kanerix> DAP?
[2:53] <[Saint]> Once made, I'm thinking of encasing the entire thing in a solid block of resin and polishing it.
[2:54] <Kanerix> I've been looking at battery packs, but I'm not sure what voltage I want to drive the motors at for my eventual robot thing
[2:54] <[Saint]> Digital Audio Player
[2:54] <Kanerix> oh
[2:54] <Kanerix> um
[2:54] <eggy> why bother with a B+?
[2:54] <[Saint]> If I encase it though I'll need to drill a vent for the battery.
[2:54] <Kanerix> yeah, I was going to say... the battery isn't designed for being in resin
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[2:55] <Kanerix> that's essentially a bomb waiting to happen
[2:55] <[Saint]> eggy: I want an excuse to out a network stack in Rockbox
[2:55] <baldengineer> Kanerix: usually people pick the motors before the decide what voltage to run them at
[2:55] <[Saint]> *to put
[2:55] <Kanerix> baldengineer, Yep. I haven't picked the motors, nor the voltage
[2:55] <eggy> ok, just wonderin
[2:56] <[Saint]> We run on several other targets with modem or network capability.
[2:56] <[Saint]> So, it kinda makes sense.
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[3:00] <Robert-pi> Anyone know how to tell resolvconf what dns servers to write to /etc/resolve.conf? It keeps insisting on adding my router/dhcp server and that causes HUGE lag on resolving
[3:01] <Kanerix> Does it work to re-order the list and leave the router addresses but put yours higher?
[3:02] <Robert-pi> I'll give it a shot
[3:02] <Kanerix> Which distro?
[3:02] <Kanerix> raspbian?
[3:02] <Robert-pi> raspbian
[3:03] <Robert-pi> so u advise re-ordering the /etc/resolve.conf file?
[3:03] <DanDare> its not only resolvconf that touches resolv.conf, network-manager do it too
[3:03] <Kanerix> resolv.conf
[3:03] <Kanerix> oh, I hate network-manager
[3:03] <Kanerix> It's probably just network-manager doing it
[3:03] <Robert-pi> i hate anything that messes w/ the settings I enter
[3:04] <Kanerix> yeah
[3:04] <DanDare> if not resolvconf
[3:04] <DanDare> you can try something like 'chkconfig resolvconf off' to disable its service at boot
[3:04] <Robert-pi> no...didn't work
[3:04] <Robert-pi> :(
[3:06] <Robert-pi> DanDare: I only installed it because someone here (this room) said it was the answer to getting pi from overwriting my /etc/resolve.conf file
[3:06] <Kanerix> resolv.conf
[3:06] <Kanerix> no second e
[3:06] <DanDare> Robert-pi, http://www.cyberciti.biz/faq/dhclient-etcresolvconf-hooks/
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[3:08] <Robert-pi> interesting. Not familiar w/ chattr
[3:08] <Robert-pi> will google
[3:08] <DanDare> seems that dhcp client also deals with resolv.conf, not sure on debian though how it works
[3:09] <DanDare> by default raspbian uses 8.8.8.8, the google's DNS server on resolv.conf
[3:09] <DanDare> cant remember if raspbian came with resolvconf installed
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[3:10] <Kanerix> I don't think so
[3:11] <Kanerix> I'm on raspbian and I'm not seeing it
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[3:13] <Robert-pi> rebooting w/ the chattr thing
[3:13] <Robert-pi> DanDare: Even w/ dhcp?
[3:13] <Robert-pi> DanDare: it's getting overwritten to my router's ip
[3:13] <Robert-pi> :(
[3:14] <Robert-pi> or was....... hopefully your chattr tip will do it
[3:14] <DanDare> Robert-pi, do you have network-manager installed ?
[3:14] <Robert-pi> I didn't apt-get it
[3:14] <Robert-pi> so if it's not default , no
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[3:14] <DanDare> im not sure if its default or not
[3:15] <Robert-pi> sonofa
[3:15] <Robert-pi> even write protected it got overwritten
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[3:18] <Kanerix> edit /sbin/dhclient-script
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[3:18] <Kanerix> dhclient-script is what's causing your DNS to go to hell
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[3:20] <Robert-pi> yikes
[3:20] <Robert-pi> that's way over my head
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[3:20] <Kanerix> um crap
[3:20] <Robert-pi> the script is huge
[3:21] <Kanerix> the script is resetting your permissions on your file, by the way, which is why that didn't work
[3:22] <Robert-pi> i wonder if cron's 'reboot' runs after that
[3:22] <Robert-pi> If so I have a clunky work around
[3:22] <[Saint]> Just cp a *.bak of whatever your twiddling and you can't go wrong.
[3:22] <Kanerix> one sec
[3:22] <Kanerix> I have an idea
[3:23] <Robert-pi> i can just set a reboot cron job to re-write the file
[3:23] <[Saint]> @reboot is a bit weird.
[3:23] <Robert-pi> ..again asuming chron runs AFTER the evil thing that is messing w/ my file
[3:23] <[Saint]> Its _only_ reboot.
[3:23] <[Saint]> So, not a regular power cycle.
[3:23] <Kanerix> Comment out lines 258, 325, and 357. Those are the ones that invoke the resolv.conf stuff.
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[3:24] <Kanerix> in /sbin/dhclient-script
[3:24] <Robert-pi> *gulp**
[3:24] * Robert-pi makes a .bak
[3:24] <Kanerix> It will never try to ask the dhcp server for a dns address
[3:25] <Robert-pi> r u sure that script is doing it? since the file says it's edited by resolvconf
[3:26] <Kanerix> yes
[3:26] <Kanerix> I have to go
[3:26] <Robert-pi> ok
[3:26] <Kanerix> good luck
[3:26] <Robert-pi> thanks
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[3:30] * Robert-pi crosses his fingers and reboots
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[3:33] <Robert-pi> and the pi is dea
[3:33] <Robert-pi> d
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[3:37] <Robert-pi> ha! the wifi's still up..... hopefully I can ssh in and un-edit the file
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[3:43] <Robert-pi> lol I need geek badge or vi -ing a file over SSH on my wi-pi :op
[3:44] <Robert-pi> o.O still broken
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[3:49] <Robert-pi> >:o\
[3:49] <Robert-pi> even copying the .bak over the original doesn't fix this
[3:50] <swiss> wat
[3:51] <Robert-pi> swiss: I made the edits kanerix said
[3:51] <Robert-pi> and it broke the LAN(eth) connection
[3:51] <Robert-pi> I got into the pi via wifi/ssh
[3:51] <swiss> network manager is default on ubuntu
[3:51] <Robert-pi> and coppied a .bak of the script over the edited one
[3:51] <swiss> fyi
[3:51] <Robert-pi> and still BROKEN
[3:51] <swiss> restart the service
[3:52] <Robert-pi> I've restarted the whole pi
[3:52] <swiss> dik what you're trying to do. A dhclient script is almost always a horrible idea
[3:53] <Robert-pi> a dhclinet script is PI's way
[3:53] <Robert-pi> so........
[3:53] <Robert-pi> blame them
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[3:54] <swiss> is there a decent UI out there already for creating a tree menu controlled by an external set of surrounding buttons?
[3:54] <swiss> i don't meen tree menu
[3:58] <swiss> i'm thinking like http://image.motortrend.com/f/9533505+w750/112_0802_13z+2009_mercedes_benz_SLK+center_console.jpg
[3:58] <swiss> handling knobs, and then attributing the buttons to different options on the menu
[3:58] <Robert-pi> any clues on how to un-bork this :(
[3:59] <swiss> don't use a script. Use /etc/network/interfaces, or network-manager
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[4:02] <Robert-pi> network-manager isn't installed
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[4:03] <Robert-pi> I don't get how this is broken
[4:03] <Robert-pi> the original file is copied back into place
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[4:15] <lost_soul> or just setup your router to always give a specific ip address to the pi's mac address
[4:15] <lost_soul> that way you're set if you take the pi to a different network
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[4:21] <Robert-pi> I can't even get the eth working thanks to Kanerix
[4:21] <Robert-pi> let alone set a static ip
[4:21] <lost_soul> have you rebooted after you copied the original file back
[4:21] <Robert-pi> yes
[4:21] <lost_soul> or reset the network
[4:21] <Robert-pi> evn did a shut down
[4:22] <Robert-pi> powered off for a few seconds then rebooted
[4:22] <lost_soul> what is it he had you do.. I wasn't paying attention at that point
[4:22] <Robert-pi> edit /sbin/dhclient-script Comment out lines 258, 325, and 357.
[4:23] <Robert-pi> as (s)he thought they were the ones overwriting my /etc/resolv.conf
[4:23] <DanDare> when i cant lost contact while trying crazy stuff i just add some script at boot to restore backup files back after some amount of time :p
[4:23] <lost_soul> after you copied the original file back.. did you verify those lines are no longer commented
[4:23] <Robert-pi> lost_soul: yes
[4:23] <lost_soul> DanDare: good idea
[4:24] <Robert-pi> DanDare: which would do nothing
[4:24] <DanDare> sure it does
[4:24] <Robert-pi> as that's exactly what i did ... well the manual version of it
[4:24] <lost_soul> Robert-pi: is that the only change you were told to make
[4:24] <Robert-pi> lost_soul: yes
[4:24] <lost_soul> then it should be back working, strange
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[4:24] <DanDare> Robert-pi, thats what I meant: make a script to automatically restore files from backup
[4:24] <Robert-pi> agreed..... and infuriating
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[4:25] <lost_soul> Robert-pi: anything in the log files?
[4:26] <Robert-pi> not sure
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[4:33] <chxane> hello
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[4:39] <nsgn> well, i bought a little usb sound card on amazon that had half the reviewers saying it was basically plug and play with the pi..and i can't get a headless copy of raspbian to see it. Any thoughts?
[4:39] <Robert-pi> buy something else
[4:39] <Robert-pi> ...... instead of pi
[4:39] <Robert-pi> and don't ask here as they'll jsut break you worse
[4:40] <pksato> nsgn: lsusb show the device?
[4:40] <pksato> nsgn: cat /proc/asound/cards show two or more devices?
[4:41] <nsgn> pksato i actually just got it to show in aplay -L so i may be one step closer..just not able to somehow play through it. i'm sure its fine and i'm the dummy. i actually have a bunch of Pis and a decent bit of linux experience but its my first linux project with audio at all
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[4:43] <nsgn> I think i just need to find how to get this external device to be default without the gui
[4:43] <mastag25> doesn't pi have a built-in headphone jack for audio..?
[4:43] <nsgn> Right now playing audio still comes out the built in jack
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[4:45] <nsgn> mastag25, sure does. has no audio input, however, which is what i need
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[4:46] <mastag25> ahhhh
[4:46] <DanDare> Robert-pi, dont worry. Its meant to be funny and teach us stuff. If everything fails, start over :)
[4:46] <nsgn> dontfeedthetroll
[4:47] <DanDare> well, trying to be constructive
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[4:47] <nsgn> constructive doesn't make sense to trolls, but i agree with you. the pi is supposed to be for trial/error/learning
[4:47] <DanDare> yeah, its what I mean.
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[4:48] <DanDare> learning consequences about messing with conf files is also something to learn etc
[4:49] <clever> nsgn: you need to change the default output, which is a basic alsa task
[4:49] <clever> google has tons of answers for that
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[4:52] <DanDare> xserver-xorg-input-joystick is really funny
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[4:53] <DanDare> makes pi a perfect console for mame and stuff
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[4:53] <DanDare> just plug power, hdmi and the joystick and hoooooray
[4:57] <DanDare> when i use rpi-update it says 'backing up firmware and modules'. What files form the firmware? the actual kernel itself? Plus some bootstrap code? anything more?
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[4:57] <clever> bootcode.bin, start.elf, and kernel.img in /boot
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[4:58] <clever> a rom in the cpu loads bootcode.bin
[4:58] <clever> that then loads start.elf, which loads kernel.img
[4:58] <clever> kernel.img is the linux kernel, which mounts / and runs the main os
[4:58] <DanDare> clever, nice. thanks
[4:58] <clever> bootcode.bin is more of a loading tool
[4:58] <DanDare> yeah, I know about the kernel. not used to pi
[4:58] <DanDare> bootstrap
[4:58] <clever> and start.elf i would consider as firmware
[4:59] <clever> start.elf runs on the gpu, and provides the 3d services and video decoding
[4:59] <DanDare> it contain hardware definitions?
[4:59] <DanDare> I see
[4:59] <clever> there are no real hardware definitions
[4:59] <clever> the code is compiled to only work on this one chip/board
[4:59] <clever> (and the minor variants)
[5:01] <DanDare> im still trying to figure out if its really ok using rpi-update on a raspbian-netinst installation. netinst is just fine but rpi-update fixes a bug i had problems with
[5:01] <DanDare> as last choice, just use the plain raspbian
[5:01] <clever> rpi-update should be fine on almost any install
[5:02] <Robert-pi> http://susepaste.org/95771565
[5:02] <DanDare> ok
[5:03] <DanDare> Robert-pi, you can edit files on the SD card out from the pi by any chance? Like doing it on the usual computer?
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[5:03] <clever> the /boot partition with the firmware is fat32, so it can be modified by almost anything
[5:03] <clever> but the root filesystem is ext3 or 4, which is generaly linux only
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[5:03] <Robert-pi> dan edit what file(s)?
[5:04] <DanDare> clever, yeah. i use a VM with debian to make sdcard edits
[5:04] <DanDare> Robert-pi, the /etc/network/interfaces file. I think a good try can be setting static IP for the eth0, so you get rid of the dhcp problems
[5:05] <clever> if you mess up, just hook up the tv and keyboard, and you can undo the changes/fix it
[5:05] <DanDare> sounds like the best option
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[5:05] <Robert-pi> i don't have any hdmi
[5:06] <Robert-pi> how to setup static?
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[5:06] <clever> a tv with composite input also works
[5:06] <DanDare> i have a special monitor for pi: http://i.imgur.com/emp4klo.jpg
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[5:07] <clever> i just leave the dns server controled by the router
[5:07] <clever> and then change it at the router, so it impacts every device at once
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[5:07] <abnormal> oh my goodness, DanDare , get a better one for crying out loud...
[5:07] <Robert-pi> clever: except a fair # of people report tthe pi lags like all **** when doing that
[5:08] <DanDare> clever, he messed with dhclient.conf, breaking that network part
[5:08] <clever> Robert-pi: when doing what?
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[5:08] <DanDare> abnormal, lol.... this one is for fixes/monitoring. I got some HDMI here also :)
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[5:08] <abnormal> oh, ok.. me bad..
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[5:09] <Robert-pi> clever: read
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[5:09] <abnormal> I use a Dell Genesis monitor and the pi is on the back of it...
[5:09] <Robert-pi> DanDare: how to setup static ip
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[5:10] <Robert-pi> DanDare: I can ssh in via wan0
[5:10] <Robert-pi> errr wifi
[5:10] <Robert-pi> sorry so very tired
[5:10] <DanDare> Robert-pi, you can add lines like this http://pastebin.com/CW2FwTgQ to setup a static IP
[5:11] <DanDare> of course you need to change IP values accordingly with what you have there
[5:11] <Robert-pi> right... giving it a shot
[5:11] <abnormal> Robert-pi, what wifi are you using?
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[5:12] <DanDare> Robert-pi, but please keep the wireless setup also or you will end without both. Also a mistake in that file can completely kill your already working wifi connection
[5:12] <DanDare> so do it at your own risk :)
[5:13] <Robert-pi> abnormal: http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B00FWMEFES/ref=oh_aui_detailpage_o00_s00?ie=UTF8&psc=1
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[5:14] <swiss> DanDare: that's for /etc/network/interfaces
[5:14] <swiss> he's doing crazy weird stuff with other things
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[5:15] <abnormal> hmmm... I use Ourlink wifi dongles, the big ones that look like USB mem sticks, from Adafruit.com, Robert-pi
[5:15] <DanDare> swiss, he wanted to try a static IP for eth0 cause hes getting issues with dhcp
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[5:17] <Robert-pi> what?
[5:17] <Robert-pi> what weird stuff?
[5:17] <swiss> DanDare: right, but he needs to do that in /etc/netwrok/interfaces
[5:17] <swiss> not in whatever script he's editing
[5:17] <swiss> i see you said it up there
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[5:17] <DanDare> swiss, yeah I told him already some lines ago
[5:17] <swiss> but I'd advise putting it in again
[5:18] <DanDare> Robert-pi, if you have a working wifi connection with ssh, just restore the file from the backup you did
[5:20] <pksato> challenge, connect this 'raw' lcd display on rpi. http://imgur.com/evNiyAm
[5:20] <Robert-pi> DanDare: I keep saying I tried that
[5:21] <Robert-pi> DanDare: perhaps you were afk
[5:21] <clever> pksato: you would need an lcd driver chip first
[5:21] <clever> and that would then be on the gpio pins
[5:21] <abnormal> I used have one of those...
[5:22] <DanDare> Robert-pi, if you restored the file from the backup and still not working, probably something you messed before that. Or some problem with router in giving your pi a IP
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[5:22] <abnormal> Robert-pi,
[5:23] <abnormal> what Os are you using?
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[5:24] <pksato> Fisrt problems to solve, how connect wires and that is matrix of segments and digits?
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[5:26] <DanDare> pksato, where you get that LCD? you know what equipment it came from?
[5:26] <pksato> DanDare: calculator.
[5:27] <DanDare> pksato, it will not be easy to make that contacts making contacts :p
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[5:28] <DanDare> only i can think as a try is gluing that contact tape in some plastic board and manage to build a connector for it
[5:29] <DanDare> but then you will need LCD specs to make it work
[5:29] <abnormal> you can buy those flat ribbon connectors from Newark.com
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[5:30] <[Saint]> http://i.imgur.com/rWjyxmU.jpg
[5:30] <[Saint]> so. cute.
[5:30] <[Saint]> why haven't I seen *that* cute little embedded nonsense hack before.
[5:30] <DanDare> [Saint], what is that anyway ?
[5:30] <abnormal> now that is an oldie..
[5:31] <[Saint]> Ninception.
[5:31] <Datalink> ahh, the Nintendo in cart hack, was a good read on HaD about it
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[5:31] <[Saint]> DanDare: its an NES crammed into an NES cartridge.
[5:32] <Datalink> basically famiclone+cartridge
[5:32] <DanDare> nintendo sues you all :P
[5:33] <Datalink> [Saint], I'd be scared if folks here can't recognize a NES port...
[5:33] <[Saint]> young'uns
[5:33] <Robert-pi> DanDare: the indentations don't matter, do they?
[5:34] <DanDare> its pretty obvious by the case, not so obvious whats inside :p
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[5:34] <DanDare> Robert-pi, dont
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[5:36] <Datalink> Robert-pi, typically Python, Lisp and a couple exotic languages are the only ones that are indentation specific, generally any language with {} and especially ones that use ; to indicate the end of code are styled for readability, and don't have requirements for the compiler related to styling beyond standard verb uses (functions, variables, objects, etc)
[5:37] <DanDare> i personally think indentation is just a source of trouble, anything more
[5:37] <[Saint]> Datalink: I had quite a few consoles I'm *positive* a lot of people wouldn't recognize.
[5:37] <[Saint]> Arcadia 2001, ColecoVision.
[5:37] <Datalink> DanDare, remind me not to proofread your code...
[5:37] <Datalink> [Saint], I need to pull my intellivision out of storage
[5:37] <[Saint]> Magnavox Odyssey/2
[5:38] <Datalink> nice... well as nice as that old beast is :P
[5:38] <[Saint]> woo - intellivision. cute.
[5:38] <DanDare> Datalink, im not saying that one should not keep the code organized. But forcing it is just a way of spending useless time
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[5:39] <[Saint]> I also have Atari 2600/5200/7800
[5:39] <Datalink> DanDare, ah, yeah... quad space is a pain in non-code text editors like notepad
[5:39] <[Saint]> but I think the 7800 is dead.
[5:39] <Datalink> [Saint], aww
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[5:39] <Datalink> had a good friend for a while who owned a good collection of Commodores
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[5:40] <DanDare> I had Pong. But it died someday :(
[5:40] <DanDare> a Ford/Philco piece of hardware
[5:40] <DanDare> well, a pong clone
[5:40] <Datalink> I still haven't figured out the Intellivision Football handheld...
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[5:41] <Datalink> all I know is I still remember the time I tried to plug into the headphone style jack... it turned out to be the version that had an AC adaptor originally because the early LEDs and the processor ate batteries like candy
[5:42] <[Saint]> hahaha
[5:42] <Datalink> of course I was 12 when I did that... and that device was older than I am
[5:43] <anderbubble> Sorry to jump in and as a non-sequitir question; but does anyone know why I can’t find the B+ version of the Pibow Coupé at a US retailer?
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[5:43] <anderbubble> For example, Adafruit is emphatically only stocking the regular B version.
[5:44] <DanDare> anderbubble, they maybe just want sell all the B's before getting some B+
[5:44] <anderbubble> s/and as/and ask/
[5:44] <Datalink> anderbubble, Adafruit.com hasn't gotten the laser cutting patterns yet, I think...
[5:44] <DanDare> i think they are afraid to end with a pile of B that nobody wants
[5:44] <Datalink> DanDare, B and B+ are parallel SKU I thought?
[5:44] <anderbubble> Datalink, it’s true!
[5:44] <DanDare> Datalink, im sorry. I dont know whats SKU
[5:45] <anderbubble> I was just about to buy a couple Pis to replace the gen1 B that I gave away when the B+ was announced. Now I’m impatiently waiting…
[5:45] <Datalink> basically stock numbers
[5:45] <anderbubble> DanDare, Stock Keeping Unit
[5:45] <Datalink> anderbubble, I really should get a gen2 B or B+ to replace my gen1
[5:45] <DanDare> ok, thanks
[5:46] <anderbubble> Datalink, do what I did: give it away to a wide-eyed kid and feel good about it! :)
[5:46] <Datalink> yeah, with the new name (B+) I figured it was aimed to be sold at the same time as the prior Bs and not a rev update
[5:47] <anderbubble> They’re keeping the old B around in parallel because of hardware that’s already based around it as a formfactor.
[5:47] <DanDare> makes sense. but they changed lot of things on the 'new' model
[5:47] <abnormal> it on the market now in Newark.com
[5:47] <Datalink> anderbubble, tempting, I'd even be able to throw in the codecs, but I plan on embedding my old pi into something eventually
[5:47] <abnormal> yes they made it less consumable
[5:48] <abnormal> I have 4 pi's
[5:48] <abnormal> and one BBB
[5:48] <Robert-pi> DanDare: that's 2 I owe u
[5:48] <DanDare> Robert-pi, what?
[5:49] <Datalink> eventually I'll scavange a bunch of Pi's from folks and build a supercluster
[5:49] <Robert-pi> DanDare: u fixed me
[5:49] <Datalink> no idea how I'm gonna do the router though... not like I have a 24 port switch laying around, though I could probably craigslist that
[5:49] <Robert-pi> and u helped me last night w/ a question too
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[5:50] <DanDare> Robert-pi, it eventually happens on IRC :)
[5:50] <Robert-pi> DanDare: well u have my thanks
[5:50] <Datalink> anderbubble, also never be afraid to interrupt, it's IRC, a group discussion is moved along by topic change, discourse and participation, if folks wanted to talk to one another and get annoyed at interruption, they'd go to MSG or query
[5:50] <anderbubble> abnormal, I hadn’t seen newark.com before. Do you have a link to the actual product page? I’m having trouble finding it.
[5:50] <abnormal> ok just a min
[5:51] <Datalink> I hate the new Adafruit layout
[5:51] <DanDare> np. try not being so serious about it ;) its meant to be funny and cool
[5:52] <Datalink> anderbubble, Newark/Element 14 are a parts wholesaler, like Digikey but they're also keen on supporting hobbiest and production markets alike
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[5:53] <abnormal> anderbubble, here is the link: http://www.newark.com/raspberry-pi/raspberry-modb-512m/raspberry-pi-model-b-board/dp/68X0155
[5:53] <anderbubble> I’d heard of Element 14; but didn’t know about Newark. Looks like they’re the US branch or similar?
[5:53] <Datalink> yeah, US branch
[5:53] <abnormal> same site
[5:53] <anderbubble> Oh, I found the board. I’m looking for the B+ version of the Pibow Coupé.
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[5:54] <abnormal> ok just a min
[5:54] <anderbubble> Though it’s cool to finally find someone who actually sells the Pi for the supposed $35
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[5:55] <Datalink> anderbubble, yeah, Sparkfun, Adafruit and similar have to buy from Newark, RS and other suppliers, and have to also be able to afford to pay their own employees, but the quoted price was the wholesale price, which has much lower markup over production cost due to higher volume
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[5:55] <abnormal> anderbubble, is this it??? http://www.newark.com/adafruit-industries/1723/pibow-tft-case-lcd-case/dp/68X4712?ost=pibow+copue
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[5:56] <Datalink> abnormal, that's the TFT case, for Adafruit's touch screen, he's looking for the low profile case for the B+
[5:56] <anderbubble> This one: http://shop.pimoroni.com/products/b-pibow-coupe
[5:56] <Datalink> yeah that...
[5:56] <abnormal> ok just a min...
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[5:57] <anderbubble> This has been my week. :)
[5:57] <Datalink> I actually bought my PiBow case from them directly, but it's understandable to want to find a local reseller due to shipping
[5:57] <anderbubble> Oh, so the newark site still ships from the UK?
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[5:58] <baldengineer> did the mounting holes change from the b to the b+?
[5:58] <Datalink> I was refering to Pimoroni
[5:58] <abnormal> yeh you can only buy those from pimironi...
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[5:58] <Datalink> baldengineer, yes, moved to 4 corner points instead of center and corner
[5:58] <anderbubble> I didn’t know the B ever had mounting holes before B+. Is that a gen2 thing?
[5:58] <Datalink> yeah, Gen2 added 2 holes
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[5:59] <Datalink> B+ moved em, doubled em, and shuffled most of the other connectors around, I think it's a good evolution, but I'm going to wait till stuff like the Adafruit TFT improve, I also need to find a way to get an Adafruit TFT and XBee inside the same case without a ribbon
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[6:00] <baldengineer> Datalink: thanks. I have a board without them, so I couldn’t tell at a glance
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[6:00] <Datalink> baldengineer, gen1, yep, I have one too, but I also used gen2 for the city messageboard here in my town, so I'm familiar with both form factors
[6:00] <Datalink> I bet it's not playing music again... I may have to fix that next week
[6:01] <clever> Datalink: you could maybe put a stacking header on the xbee board
[6:01] <Datalink> clever, I was thinking that but I also want it to fit inside this: http://www.adafruit.com/products/1723
[6:02] <clever> can you even fit a bare xbee inside that? lol
[6:02] <clever> i dont think it would have room
[6:03] <Datalink> XBee's actually pretty small, I'd snap a pic quick but I left it at the TV studio
[6:03] <clever> i know how small they are
[6:03] <clever> i mounted one in my netbook!
[6:03] <clever> but even then, i had to leave the xbee header off
[6:03] <Datalink> cool, what's it hooked up to? UART to USB adaptor or did you chain it to a raw UART?
[6:03] <clever> solder the xbee directly to its breakout, then directly into a sparkfun ftdi board
[6:04] <clever> i hacked the usb header off the ftdi, and wired up a 4 pin JST cable
[6:04] <clever> which then plugged into the 'webcam' port on the motherboard
[6:04] <Datalink> XD
[6:04] <Datalink> yeah, since those are just USB with a JST instead of the standard plug
[6:04] <clever> then i discovered, if the bios cant find a usb slave, it shuts off the vcc rail to the webcam port
[6:04] <Datalink> ack
[6:04] <clever> so it only gets power if D+ and D- are connected to the ftdi
[6:05] <clever> i later discovered, the eeepc driver has a webcam switch in /proc
[6:05] <clever> so you can force it on/off at any time
[6:05] <Datalink> cool
[6:05] <clever> including hard reset the xbee by cutting power
[6:05] <abnormal> now that is a neat case... I have one similar to that adafruit one except it is a Ninja for my "A" pi
[6:05] <clever> Datalink: then i ran into another issue
[6:05] <clever> the rf shielding on the case
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[6:05] <clever> it .... shields rf!!
[6:05] <Datalink> abnormal, yeah, Adafruit got the PiBow PiTFT made custom for their use by Pimoroni (SP)
[6:06] <clever> i had to cut a hole in the tin-foil lining, right over the chip antenna
[6:06] <clever> so it had a window to broadcast out
[6:06] <clever> after that, i had a range of about 3 or 4 feet
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[6:07] <clever> the power cable on the netbook charger has since crapped out
[6:07] <clever> and ive gotten a much better replacement for the whole device, kindle fire hd 7"
[6:07] <clever> more cpu power, more ram, higher resolution screen, better battery life
[6:07] <clever> but no xbee, and amazon crippled the firmware a bit
[6:08] <Datalink> clever, eww, that's gonna mess up your design, it'd be better if you got the U.Fl and the U.Fl to RP-SMA adaptor, that's what I'm using for a project: https://www.sparkfun.com/products/8666
[6:08] <clever> oh, and the only reason i wanted xbee in the netbook to begin with, the gps module didnt fit in the netbook :P
[6:08] <Datalink> I have to see about reflashing my Kindle FHD 8.9" with a newer version of ASOS
[6:08] <clever> so i had a gps + xbee in a usb powered box
[6:08] <abnormal> this is the one I got, had to have wife peel the white plastic covers off for me, lol.... http://www.adafruit.com/products/1319
[6:08] <Datalink> you could have gotten something like bluetooth bee or wifi bee... o.O
[6:09] <Datalink> abnormal, yeah, that's standard for laser cut acrylic, prevents scratches, pain in the arse to remove
[6:09] <clever> Datalink: yeah, many ways i could have improved it
[6:09] <clever> but ive since replaced the entire system with an android tablet, which doesnt allow external gps units
[6:10] <clever> id have to reflash the entire os and build my own bluetooth/usb gps code into it
[6:10] <Datalink> clever, I'm using Series 2 U.Fl with a standard RP-SMA 2.4Ghz duck, I have to make sure I'm in a range not used by the police or fire department so I opted for the Zigbee rather than 900MHz
[6:10] <abnormal> I have a b on back of a Dell Genesis... no one knows where the CPU is, lol
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[6:10] <Datalink> stupid all purpose city building...
[6:11] <clever> heh
[6:11] <Datalink> abnormal, did you get the VESA plate adaptor for the PiBow cases? it'd work with the low profile
[6:11] <Datalink> clever, the joys of being a volunteer at the public access station, I actually serve as our engineer, since neither staff member is engineering trained...
[6:11] <abnormal> no, I used stick on velcro...
[6:11] <Datalink> I've gotten used to describing stuff in simple terms...
[6:11] <clever> Datalink: public access station?
[6:12] <Datalink> abnormal, http://www.adafruit.com/products/1320 replaces bottom layer, screws to a standard small VESA plate mount
[6:12] <abnormal> even the usb hub is velcroed on the back also
[6:12] <clever> when i was using the pi on my tv, i didnt even 'mount' it
[6:12] <clever> i just hung it off the hdmi cord
[6:12] <Datalink> clever, kinda like Wayne's World's initial channel
[6:12] <clever> ah
[6:13] <abnormal> I know about that... I wanted to use velcro instead...
[6:13] <Datalink> kay
[6:13] <abnormal> all the wires are velcroed on the back too
[6:13] <clever> Datalink: https://www.dropbox.com/sh/8sezkmnsioueh9f/AAC2n2_RbeIeNlWp01saV5b0a
[6:13] <clever> thats my current project
[6:14] <abnormal> just wish Adafruit would make real short cables for the pi for this type of application...
[6:15] <Datalink> abnormal, there are 1 foot HDMI cables... could find them, and the USB cable for cheap on Amazon
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[6:15] <Datalink> dead bug soldering!
[6:15] <Datalink> what's it do?
[6:15] <clever> spdif to i2s audio adapter
[6:16] <clever> its clocking the audio out at 3.072mhz
[6:16] <abnormal> holy macrel, that's a lot of stuff there, clever
[6:17] <clever> i dont expect the pi to be able to handle 3.072mhz data
[6:17] <clever> so i'm going to pipe it thru an AVR
[6:17] <abnormal> one ft is still too long... only need a vga cable that is one ft...
[6:17] <Datalink> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OpJScr4pSBk this is... an old build log, I since had a temp job that distracted me from it, and I'll get back to it soon
[6:18] <abnormal> clever, don't forget the nitros oxide...
[6:18] <Datalink> I've since gotten the Arduino Fio device for testing, and a parts list for the production ones
[6:19] <Datalink> also I'm sorry I didn't normalize the volume, my phone didn't have the option, future build logs will use the studio's field cameras (HD entry level pro camcorders)
[6:20] <clever> if my math is right, the avr is going to have to process 2.304mbit/sec of data, and feed it out the spi port
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[6:20] <clever> and it will only have ~6 clock cycles between each bit of input data
[6:20] <Datalink> you may want to get a 20MHz crystal
[6:21] <clever> that 6 clock cycle number is at 20mhz
[6:21] <Datalink> ok
[6:21] <Datalink> ouch
[6:21] <clever> i likely need 3 or 4 just to accept a bit of data
[6:21] <clever> which would leave 2 clocks of idle time to process it
[6:21] <Datalink> ick, that's not a lot of time to toss it into serial out
[6:21] <clever> but i can add up the 2 clocks from 8 bits together, giving me ~16 clocks per byte
[6:21] <Datalink> or the SPI bus
[6:21] <abnormal> nah, get a 200 gh crystal
[6:21] <clever> i suspect it might be simpler if i just grab a shift register
[6:22] <clever> de-serialize it, and read it a whole byte at a time
[6:22] <Datalink> likely would
[6:22] <clever> but i didnt order any from sparkfun, and they take ~2 weeks
[6:22] <Datalink> abnormal, 20mhz is the max for most AVR chips
[6:22] <clever> ive seen some people overclock it a bit, 25mhz sometimes
[6:23] <abnormal> eye no, just kidding...
[6:23] <Datalink> clever, I admit I'd just toss such a complex thing on my FPGA but then I have to make sure everything's 3.3v level shifted
[6:23] <clever> but i didnt get a 25mhz crystal
[6:23] <clever> Datalink: the i2s output is already 3.3v, and my end goal is to accept 16 of those streams at once on an fpga
[6:23] <Datalink> I wouldn't trust a 25mhz overclocked AVR to do more complex stuff besides shuffling data
[6:23] <clever> but i'm prototyping with just 1 stream on an avr to figure out the kinks
[6:24] <clever> for example, hardware mode on the audio converter is nearly imposible to get going :P
[6:24] <Datalink> oh! you're doing I2S
[6:24] <clever> it needs ~8 pullup/down resistors
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[6:24] <clever> i only had 2 of the right value, and nothing i could do got it to work
[6:24] <clever> and boom, it came to life
[6:24] <clever> i switched it to software mode with i2c, grabbed the pi, and set a SINGLE BIT in a single register
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[6:25] <Datalink> clever, whatcha processing, some audio hardware already exists for the Pi
[6:25] <clever> i2cset -y 1 0x10 0x05 0x80
[6:25] <Datalink> http://www.adafruit.com/products/1761
[6:25] <clever> Datalink: i want 32 audio channel inputs
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[6:26] <Datalink> oh, you're looking a bit past that DPS
[6:26] <clever> yeah
[6:26] <Datalink> DSP*
[6:27] <abnormal> here's a neat case for the B+ http://www.newark.com/multicomp/mc-rp002-clr/enclosure-transparent-rpi-b-plus/dp/68X2067
[6:27] <Datalink> yeah, you'd probably be best going with something a bit faster than a Pi, the Freescale (Teensy) processors are usually where I go when I need to do Arduino+heavy lifting, but I admit I'm a lazy hack who doesn't bother writing a full makefile for my projects till I finish making em dance
[6:27] <Datalink> abnormal, yeah, Sparkfun's already carrying that case too
[6:27] <clever> i plan to use an fpga and a dedicated 100mbit MII
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[6:27] <clever> implenting the ethernet stack in the fpga
[6:28] <Datalink> ....
[6:28] <clever> the goal is to sample about 73mbit worth of audio data
[6:28] <clever> which is getting near the limits of a 100mbit system, so i have to bypass the usual bottlenecks
[6:28] <Datalink> O.o? that's a bit past the fidelity needed for human ears, are you working on an audio archiving system?
[6:29] <clever> 32 seperate channels, each at 24 bits per sample, 96khz
[6:29] <Datalink> oh audio mixer board
[6:29] <clever> yep
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[6:30] <Datalink> nice, that and some of the motorized pots from Sparkfun would make a very cool replacement for the Yamaha board that takes up half the studio's director booth
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[6:30] <clever> i was planning to do the bulk of the controls in software, on a normal pc
[6:30] <clever> but you gave me another idea on how to extend it more
[6:30] <Datalink> I like tactile with audio, it's a pain using a screen slider with a mouse
[6:31] <Datalink> you want audio or linear taper slide pots?
[6:31] <clever> i need to get to bed now
[6:31] <clever> 1:30 am
[6:31] <Datalink> https://www.sparkfun.com/products/10976
[6:31] <clever> i'm thinking the linear ones, and then do the taper in software
[6:32] <Datalink> save that link then, linear slide pot, good size for audio mixing, since they're motorized ones the software can tell the hardware to match
[6:32] <clever> already know where they are
[6:32] <Datalink> kay, heh, I wanna see a good proper motorized programmable sound board at the studio :P
[6:33] <clever> i'll be off to bed now, night
[6:33] <Datalink> night
[6:33] <abnormal> I have a piface on one pi, arduino uno on another one, and quickstart on another one....
[6:34] <abnormal> I tried to get someone to write up an app for the basic stamp one from the site's download but it was a flop.
[6:34] <Datalink> my pi's just got a well abused ribbon cable and a breadboard breakout (Adafruit's original cobbler, I keep having to look up the DNC pins of the rev A)
[6:34] <Datalink> never touched a Stamp myself, most of my dev boards are raw iron compiled, not an overlay interpreter like the Stamp
[6:35] <abnormal> I have a cobbler but I won't use it cuz if I make one mistake there goes the Pi...
[6:35] <Datalink> you'd think that...
[6:35] <abnormal> but I won't chance it, lol
[6:35] <Datalink> my Pi's proof that the gods of magic smoke can be very kind to goofups
[6:36] <abnormal> lol
[6:36] <Datalink> though I probably wouldn't trust it to have too heavy a load...
[6:36] <Datalink> I've wired it up backwards... twice... before I got the cobbler
[6:36] <abnormal> so my piface will keep me from frying the pi
[6:37] <Datalink> general rule of thumb, 3v3 devices are safe, I actually have a standard XBee breakout I use with my Pi, for the longest time, I had the serial console on my BluetoothBee
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[6:37] <Datalink> though my old Pi is giving up the ghost, it's kernel paniced after extended periods online so I've been keeping it in a toolbox instead of on the network
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[6:37] <abnormal> one benefit was I able to get the last Candomfoss case that fit the piface in it before they went off the market... whew...
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[6:38] <abnormal> it cost me a whopping 20 bux
[6:38] <Datalink> https://www.modmypi.com/raspberry-pi-cases/cyntech-pink-raspberry-pi-case ... okay, I have to appologize to a friend who was right...
[6:39] <Datalink> I hae 2 Pis at the studio in this case, I chose it because it's the messageboard, and I wanted to make sure politicians (the city MB is a Pi in the audio panel for the council chamber) didn't mess with it
[6:39] <Datalink> so I opted for a case I thought, at the time, was red, as if to say 'very important'
[6:40] <Datalink> but it says pink, a friend at the station's been teasing me that it's pink for a while...
[6:40] <abnormal> lol
[6:41] <abnormal> it's pinkish red...
[6:41] <Datalink> yeah, that's what I've said...
[6:41] <abnormal> tell them to go figure...
[6:41] <Datalink> oooh, okay I found my B+ case... https://www.modmypi.com/raspberry-pi-cases/single-colour/modmypi-model-b-plus-raspberry-pi-case-black
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[6:42] <Datalink> nah, I can give em that win... they're right, look at the URL for the Cyntech
[6:42] <abnormal> or paint it caution yellow..
[6:43] <abnormal> ooooo... I like that one....
[6:43] <Datalink> hehe, yeah, I'd just need some Krylon plastic and the lot by the fire department back door (they seem to pait their equipment there, there's signs of it)
[6:43] <Datalink> yeah, that's down right sexy as far as cases, can't wait till they get it in production :D
[6:45] <abnormal> Candomfoss made some really unique cases... almost artisitc quality...
[6:47] <abnormal> they were a bit timid to put together, but once it's done, the one who does the assembly completed is a real reward, cuz, the fit is so preciously perfect...
[6:47] <Datalink> not finding a URL for em
[6:47] * Datalink tries to work out a better method for updating the RPi messageboard...
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[6:47] <Fudge> what does green and red light mean on b+
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[6:48] <abnormal> they don't make em anymore... sorry but maybe on ebay
[6:48] <Fudge> mine are both on and pi is not booting
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[6:48] <abnormal> what power supply are you using on it?
[6:49] <abnormal> and what else it hooked to it?
[6:49] <Fudge> charger for my phone, think it is 1amp, but at moment usb port on computer
[6:49] <Fudge> headphones and a usb keyboard
[6:49] <Fudge> just stock kb
[6:49] <Datalink> what distro is on the microSD? and how did you image it?
[6:50] <Fudge> with dd, an arch image, bout to try raspbian when it finishes
[6:50] <abnormal> no, please don't do that. use a real powersupply from Adafruit made for RPi...
[6:50] <abnormal> unless you measured the output...
[6:51] <Datalink> Fudge, is your charger an OEM or one of those chargers you'd find somewhere for cheap?
[6:51] <Datalink> abnormal, I have OE chargers I trust with it, my Samsung's inverter for example
[6:52] <baldengineer> What’s the biggest change with the B+? Is it just the microsd?
[6:52] <abnormal> no they changed a lot... read on the pi site
[6:53] <Datalink> baldengineer, more recessed USB, doubling of USB ports, moving of audio port, making audio port into a TRRS similar to smartphones/camcorders with video out on the new pin, updating the GPIO from 26 to 40 pins, moving mounting holes, moving power port, new USB hub/ethernet chip, reduced power footprint
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[6:54] <Datalink> images before a certain date won't work on the B+ because of the new USB hub
[6:54] <Fudge> not sure the brand, bought it from jaycar
[6:54] <baldengineer> does the “audio port” now support video?
[6:54] <baldengineer> because I saw the comment about a “four pin” port, but didn’t catch the refernce
[6:54] <Fudge> 5v 1a 100-200hz
[6:55] <baldengineer> abnormal: actually, I’m asking the question to see what others see the differences to be.
[6:55] <abnormal> I c...
[6:55] <Datalink> Fudge, I... would use something less dodgy (why is it listing a frequency range if it's a 5VDC supply?)
[6:55] <abnormal> ok...
[6:55] <Fudge> probably australian standards, all outlets have it
[6:55] <[Saint]> baldengineer: yes, its audio+video on the B+ 3.5mm jack
[6:55] <abnormal> he meant the voltage
[6:55] <[Saint]> not an uncommon configuration.
[6:56] <Fudge> voltage is 5v, no range
[6:56] <baldengineer> [Saint]: thanks, completely missed that
[6:56] <abnormal> yes did you actually measure it? Fudge
[6:56] <Datalink> baldengineer, headphone jacks for audio only have a tip, ring and long sleeve, headphone jacks that also get used for video (Camcorders/cameras, I have a stream box at the studio with it, TVs for the back of vans, etc)
[6:56] <[Saint]> stereo audio+composite video
[6:57] <[Saint]> cables in this configuration are cheap and widely accessible
[6:57] <[Saint]> quite a few digital camera use the same setup.
[6:57] <[Saint]> (RCA jacks are huge and ugly)
[6:57] <baldengineer> right
[6:58] <abnormal> too bad they don't have ABC jacks
[6:58] <Datalink> Fudge, 5VDC (USB power) is different from AC voltages, DC is Direct Current, or flowing in 1 way, much slower span distance, but better for small electronics) AC is Alteranting current, which switches directions 50 times a second (in Australia, most of europe and and half of Japan among others)
[6:58] <Datalink> abnormal, ABC?...
[6:58] <abnormal> yeh, instead of RCA
[6:58] <Datalink> [Saint], I've had the urge to replace my RCA jack with a proper BNC video hookup
[6:59] <Datalink> abnormal, I'm not familiar with ABC, which country are those in?
[6:59] <abnormal> american brodcasting corp...
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[7:00] <abnormal> RCA is radio corp of america
[7:00] <abnormal> get it?
[7:01] <abnormal> I know, I am abnormal
[7:01] <Datalink> abnormal, well, at least it's as it says on the tin
[7:02] <Datalink> I babble out technical details like mad... so I live up to my nick... others living up to theirs isn't uncommon in IRC
[7:03] <Fudge> oh turns out the card wasnt pushed in enough loL
[7:03] <Fudge> its now talkig
[7:05] <Datalink> Fudge, is it plugged in, is it seated properly are steps 1 and 2 on my engineering checklist, sadly, I'm still teaching that checklist to the studio's (video) director
[7:05] <Fudge> loL
[7:05] <Fudge> i havnt used one before and read on a list recently that the micro sd card sits out a bit so not wanting to push it in further thought it was right
[7:06] <Fudge> i cant see so if i bend pins i have to wait for help
[7:06] <Datalink> gentle solid pressure is good to make sure it's plugged in all the way
[7:06] <baldengineer> So I appreciate you guys saying “read on the pi site” … but I’ve failed to find the page on the pi site that talks about the B+ in depth
[7:07] <Datalink> I've been considering trying to find a way to make a brale board, I have a friend who's blind
[7:07] <baldengineer> http://www.raspberrypi.org/product/model-b-plus/ is the only one I found… it makes no mention of the TRRS port or what microsd cards will work
[7:07] <baldengineer> seems like there should be a b+ page that is a bit more detailed, but I’m failing to find it
[7:08] <Fudge> Datalink: do they use Vinux
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[7:09] <Datalink> baldengineer, http://www.adafruit.com/product/1914 https://www.sparkfun.com/products/12994 have videos where the staff of each company describe the devices, though TRRS is Tip-ring-ring-sleeve, and is a reference to the 4 pin iPhone headset style connector, as it was originally used and still widely used to provide video and audio over devices that are too small to fit the larger plugs
[7:10] <Datalink> Fudge, actually Windows and Dragon, Naturally Speaking
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[7:10] <Fudge> oh, tha tmust be difficult for them
[7:10] <abnormal> ok, baldengineer , look in element 14 site, or Newark.com and it will detail it for you...
[7:10] <Fudge> Linux Simon hasnt come along enough to be a good sbstitute yet
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[7:11] <Fudge> keyboard is not working for some reason, I heard the image talking but then nothing
[7:11] <Datalink> Fudge, yeah, techie vs non-techie, I think he'd be lost in Linux, he's used to Dragon
[7:11] <Fudge> will have to listen to what it said
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[7:11] <Fudge> dragon is speech to text, you say he is blind?
[7:12] <Datalink> very low vision, legally blind to the point where he can only discern shapes, he learned computers after, but in a Windows environment without brale board
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[7:15] <Fudge> nvda or jaws?
[7:15] <Fudge> nvda is a very good screenreader
[7:15] <Fudge> especially if you replace espeak with a better voice
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[7:16] <abnormal> this is what I'd like to have ..... https://www.modmypi.com/raspberry-pi-expansion-boards/quick2wire-raspberry-pi-port-expander-combo-kit
[7:16] <Datalink> Fudge, I don't know what he's using for a screen reader, maybe Jaws, it was a few months ago I chatted with him about it
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[7:17] <Datalink> Fudge, I've been trying to find brale board letters, without much success
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[7:17] <Fudge> cool, if you want him to get into nix head over to vinuxproject.org and grab an image, setup for blind ppl
[7:17] <Fudge> what do you mean letters?
[7:17] <Datalink> brale dot element
[7:18] <Fudge> braille displays are majorly overpriced
[7:18] <Datalink> yeah, I think it's because the display pixels are built in-house
[7:18] <Datalink> or well, characters, I guess...
[7:18] <Fudge> you mean like 1,2=b 1,4=c 1,2,3,5=r?
[7:18] <Fudge> what dots represent what letters?
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[7:19] <Datalink> I mean the actual mechanism that raises the dots
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[7:19] <Datalink> a lookup table for letters is easy in most programming languages
[7:19] <Fudge> oh to drive the cells
[7:19] <Datalink> yeah
[7:20] <Fudge> wow yeah what woul dyou use
[7:20] <Datalink> exactly, I haven't seen any
[7:20] <Fudge> air compressor loL
[7:20] <Datalink> Fudge, one option, yeah, though air escaping might mess up tactile detection
[7:21] <Fudge> kee on it mate, you coul dbuild a cost effective display, monitor your hours you spend on it
[7:21] <Fudge> plus the noise involved
[7:21] <Fudge> so some kind of actuators
[7:21] <Datalink> Fudge, yeah, I would honestly open source it once I do design it, as I think the brale display market is crazy overpriced
[7:22] <Fudge> it is mate
[7:22] <abnormal> http://www.pharmabraille.com/pharmaceutical-braille/braille-alphabet.htm
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[7:22] <Datalink> abnormal, I'm talking about the actual hardware to render brale for reading with a fingertip
[7:22] <Fudge> a refreshable braille cell is propigated by the dots as needed, so the 6 or 8 dots need to change fast and with varying firmness
[7:23] <Datalink> Fudge, if I design a brale display like that, I'd add tactile scroll knobs, though I am not following you on varying firmness
[7:24] <Fudge> how far the dots are raised I think it is
[7:24] <Fudge> some ppl like a softer, so probably lower profile dot and the firmness are harder with higher travel in the cell
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[7:24] <Fudge> google braille dot firmness for ideas, nvda and jaws use configuration for it
[7:24] <Datalink> oh, basically adjusting to preference, like a display brightness
[7:25] <Fudge> good analagy mate
[7:25] <Datalink> also I am butchering the spelling of braille, I'm sorry
[7:25] <Fudge> i use text to speech so didnt notice, sitting in console here with speakup/irssi
[7:27] <Datalink> ah, makes sense, at the speed IRC goes, it would be easier to have the chat piped to a speech engine, rather than having to try and read it on a braille display, fingertips can only work out the dots so fast
[7:28] <Datalink> ah, refreshable braille displays, according to Wikipedia, use piezoelectric setups, explains the cost, that's 6 custom cut crystals per element
[7:29] <Fudge> look at what the pi did though
[7:29] <Fudge> pretty impressive at the cost
[7:30] <abnormal> http://www.amazon.com/dp/B00I5PMRMQ/ref=asc_df_B00I5PMRMQ3165204?smid=A1W4JXWK2Y438R&tag=nextagusmp0373147-20&linkCode=df0&creative=395105&creativeASIN=B00I5PMRMQ
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[7:30] <Datalink> yeah, I will look into it, I do have my current project, but I will have to work on it some more, I've been planning to make a braille element for a while
[7:32] <Fudge> if you want to keep i ntouch with me pm and ill tell you where i hang on irc
[7:32] <Datalink> ah, abnormal, yeah, that's a standard keyboard with braille markings, chording would be 6 or 8 keys, depending on the standard, used by braille typewriters, for someone used to them over the qwerty layouts, it would be faster, so long term vision impairment
[7:34] <Fudge> thanks mate
[7:35] <abnormal> what I am thinking of is like a lot of pins that push up to make brail messages for the blind to read with fingers generated by computers....
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[7:35] <blockh34d> i'm working on a kickstarter related to raspberrypi development. Does anyone have a moment to give my draft a look and see if theres anything i could do to make it better?
[7:37] <abnormal> I'm not a proofreader... so I won't be able to fix anything but I can read it and give you my opinion...
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[7:37] <blockh34d> well great thanks
[7:37] <blockh34d> msg'd
[7:38] <abnormal> reading
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[7:40] <Fudge> standard raspian hostname?
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[7:45] <Datalink> abnormal, yeah, that's what I'm thinking of doing (the pins for braille) it's a standard method for commercial boards, but those boards cost about twice as much as some of the largest big screen TVs
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[7:46] <abnormal> yeh ain't it sad, tho?
[7:47] <abnormal> that's why I quit buying hearing aids... dang they expensive...
[7:49] <Fudge> bbs
[7:49] <abnormal> besides my wife made me stop wearing them when she noticed I was getting deafer due to amplification... never thought of that!!!
[7:51] <Datalink> yeah, that's a problem, if you have audio damage deafness, amplifying to counter is also risky
[7:52] <Datalink> hearing aids... hm, a t-coil may be the right size for a braille display solenoid
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[7:53] <abnormal> there ya go... congrats...
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[7:54] <abnormal> http://www.amazon.com/dp/B00GFIV1Y0/ref=asc_df_B00GFIV1Y03253510?smid=ATVPDKIKX0DER&tag=nextagus0066937-20&linkCode=df0&creative=395093&creativeASIN=B00GFIV1Y0
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[7:56] <Datalink> that style could be good for an enclosure
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[8:00] <abnormal> yeh, one hefty one... lol
[8:00] <abnormal> cud use it for a project box, lol
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[8:01] <Fudge> yay im logged in
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[8:02] <Datalink> a Braille learning cube just gave me an idea o.o
[8:02] <blockh34d> braille pron?
[8:02] <Fudge> how do you get a startup sound
[8:02] <blockh34d> Fudge: maybe you could execute omxplayer on startup?
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[8:03] <blockh34d> is that in init.d? i can never keep track
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[8:03] <blockh34d> put a & at the end and it'll run omxplayer and then keep running, probably pretty close to what you're trying ot do
[8:03] <Fudge> yeah or that runlevel script there somewhere
[8:03] <blockh34d> there might be a legit 'startup sound' parameter somewhere, i dont know
[8:04] <Datalink> Fudge, in Linux? just have a console sound player run as part of slash etc slash rc dot local (/etc/rc.local) or as a part of your dot profile
[8:04] <blockh34d> omxplayer ~/media/sounds/somesound.mp3&
[8:04] <Datalink> blockh34d, it's Linux, there's no need for a parameter, the tools are all over the OS to do so much more
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[8:05] <blockh34d> Datalink: yup
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[8:05] <Datalink> Fudge, the braille cube I found has 4 sides, it's a learning aid, I think I could just use 4 small motors or some other rotation mecahnism for the display
[8:05] <Datalink> I would have to shrink it down which may exceed what I can 3D print outside of a professional service
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[8:05] <Fudge> yes rc.local is what i was thinking
[8:06] <Fudge> a pc speaker beep would be fine but guess they dont have one, i make my grub beep
[8:06] <blockh34d> anyone else bored enough to look over my raspberrypi-centric kickstarter pitch proposal?
[8:06] <Fudge> bbs
[8:06] <Datalink> Fudge, I use rc.local and fbi to give a bootscreen of sorts
[8:06] <Datalink> yeah, no buzzer, just audio out
[8:06] <Kanerix> a buzzer would be such a waste of resources
[8:06] <Datalink> http://www.amazon.com/Pocket-Braille-Cube-Learning-Device/dp/B003E6LMEA/ref=sr_1_fkmr0_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1406959295&sr=8-1-fkmr0&keywords=braille+cell+mechanism is the mechanism I'm thinking
[8:06] <Kanerix> on something so small
[8:06] <Kanerix> it's also very annoying
[8:07] <Datalink> Kanerix, there are people who actually like the beep
[8:07] <Datalink> I'd probably use a much softer sound, I should set that up in my OSes...
[8:07] <Kanerix> Only if you installed the ram backwards
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[8:08] <Datalink> terminal beep
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[8:09] <Kanerix> I'm okay with it flashing the screen instead
[8:10] <Datalink> I find that distracting, there are people who would find it siezure inducing
[8:10] <abnormal> I'd like to find a 256 gb SD card for my Pi.... lol
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[8:10] <Datalink> abnormal, there are many USB hard drives and drive enclosures with external power, any with a wall wart will work on the Pi
[8:10] <Kanerix> Well, better than random sound in a quiet office
[8:11] <Datalink> one of the Rasbian repos is a Raspberry Pi sitting atop it's 1TB drive
[8:11] <Kanerix> or coming from a machine under the desk
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[8:13] <Datalink> okay that braille practice cube, combined with this clock, which uses rotating segments, that's what I'm thinking for an open source braille display: http://www.ubergizmo.com/2011/11/lego-digital-clock-is-awesome/
[8:13] <Kanerix> Man, overclocking my B+ has had a very noticeable and very significant positive impact on my performance
[8:14] <abnormal> yeh, I got so many hard drives it ain't funny... but I like the USB one that is called the sandisk memory vault, too bad it's only 8 gb...
[8:14] <Datalink> Kanerix, just be sure it's using the approved Turbo settings, the whole Pi series has a safe overclock limit, which the Turbo settings follow
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[8:14] <Kanerix> I used raspi-config
[8:14] <Datalink> abnormal, I'm sure it has screws in accessable locations
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[8:15] <Kanerix> and set it to the 1GHz setting
[8:15] <Datalink> Kanerix, good, good, yeah, I need to get a B+ or a secong gen B and a fast enough SD to justify overclocking
[8:15] <Datalink> Kanerix, at that speed, I'd consider one of the heatsinks on the market for the Pi's CPU
[8:15] <abnormal> with a fan
[8:16] <Kanerix> From what I've read and heard, the heatsinks aren't actually helpful and the chip will auto-throttle if it gets anywhere near hot
[8:16] <Datalink> abnormal, it should be safe without, but having airflow would be positive
[8:16] <Kanerix> and they don't actually fry like x86
[8:16] <Datalink> oh right, I keep forgetting about the PIP RAM
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[8:17] <Datalink> and yeah, part of why Turbo's recommended is because it keeps the thermal choke enabled and sets the frequencies and voltages to compatible known good values
[8:17] <Kanerix> yep
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[8:17] <Kanerix> I'm trying to figure out some sort of speedtest I can do for this thing since flashplayer doesn't work for speedtest.net
[8:17] <Datalink> https://www.modmypi.com/picoolfan if you really wanna crunch numbers though
[8:18] <Datalink> ping, timing a 1 meg upload, and a 1 meg download? that's usually just what the tests are doing
[8:18] <Kanerix> heh that's a cute thing
[8:19] <Kanerix> having something to upload and download to reliably would actually be helpful
[8:19] <Datalink> http://www.bandwidthplace.com/
[8:19] <abnormal> yeh that's more like it... the fan over the proc...
[8:20] <Datalink> abnormal, yeah, it's not vital though, I'd be concerned enough to put a fan on the power regulator but the CPU only gains moderate benefit, because the RAM gets stacked on top of it
[8:20] <Kanerix> ^
[8:21] <abnormal> I'd wire it to the power supply directly....
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[8:22] <Datalink> that fan could still be useful but it won't help too much
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[8:22] <abnormal> well get a liquid cooling system for it...
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[8:22] <Datalink> thought the pi's small enough to just toss into a cooler set to 50degF or something, one of those peltier fridges you can get for a single soda can and some modding
[8:23] <Datalink> abnormal, small tub of mineral oil
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[8:23] <Kanerix> If you're trying to get the thing to 4GHz, maybe
[8:23] <Kanerix> but the thing is $35
[8:23] <Datalink> you'd only need a tupperwear tub XD
[8:23] <Kanerix> If 1GHz fries it, well darn
[8:24] <Kanerix> It's in the recommended potential configs thing
[8:24] <Datalink> yeah, if it's in raspi-config, it's considered safe and non-waranty voiding
[8:24] <Kanerix> honestly, the worst part about it dying would be the pain in the ass it was to wait for shipping
[8:24] <Datalink> Kanerix, yeah, that is the biggest pain
[8:24] <Kanerix> Waiting for packages and tracking numbers and everything makes me anxious
[8:25] <Datalink> my Pi's image has been updated, but the SD card is formatted in a way that's unfriendly to rev2 or newer Pis
[8:25] <Kanerix> and upset
[8:25] <Kanerix> unfriendly?
[8:25] <Kanerix> howso?
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[8:25] <Datalink> no boot, I thought I had 2 dead Bs for the studio till I tried a fresh image
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[8:26] <Kanerix> That could be a lot of things
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[8:27] <Datalink> the image was created 2 weeks before the rev 2, as I said, boot had been updated, OS was updated... it just wasn't in the right partition map or something
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[8:27] <Datalink> over a year apart
[8:28] <Kanerix> Yeah, I'm wondering what's up with the partition mapping
[8:28] <Datalink> new image worked right after the DD
[8:28] <abnormal> Kanerix, just buy a Odroid U3....
[8:28] <Datalink> so I blame my rev1's image
[8:29] <Kanerix> ...why?
[8:29] <abnormal> 1.6 gh
[8:29] <abnormal> a tad bit smaller than Pi
[8:29] <Kanerix> ...I don't want one? I have what I want
[8:29] <abnormal> more I/Os than Pi
[8:30] <Datalink> ah, korean knockoffs
[8:30] <Kanerix> I have a Pi because I wanted a Pi.
[8:30] <abnormal> lol
[8:30] <Datalink> "Hi, we're only a stone's throw from Shinzen... here ya go"
[8:30] <abnormal> well congrats I have 4 of them
[8:30] <Kanerix> I just overclocked it to make it faster and I'm commenting on how much better it is
[8:30] <blockh34d> i plan to have them both working together soon
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[8:30] <abnormal> till it burns up
[8:30] <blockh34d> odroid as a number cruncher, farming out data to a couple pis
[8:30] <Kanerix> I just got this USB wifi dongle, and I'm trying to find a good reliable test for it
[8:31] <blockh34d> abnormal: hasnt happened for me yet, 8 months at max overclock doing weird custom opengl apps etc too
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[8:31] <Kanerix> abnormal, and if it burns up, I'll replace it
[8:31] <Kanerix> for $35
[8:31] <blockh34d> Kanerix: i would be amazed if it burned up
[8:31] <Kanerix> blockh34d, so would I
[8:31] <Datalink> Kanerix, http://lifehacker.com/how-to-test-your-internet-speed-with-a-terminal-command-1364123567
[8:31] <abnormal> put a tin can over it and that wud be a good test for the dongle
[8:31] <Kanerix> heh
[8:32] <Datalink> pulling a speedtest file with wget gives you a nice readout
[8:33] <Kanerix> Yeah, the thought had crossed my mind for doing that, but I was hoping for something more web based. End-to-end
[8:33] <abnormal> ok guys.. have fun... me out for a bod rest...
[8:33] <abnormal> nite...
[8:33] <Kanerix> bye
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[8:33] <Datalink> Kanerix, wget is basically a full download client... though you should see me with Curl
[8:33] <Kanerix> er I know how to use wget
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[8:34] <Kanerix> I dunno, I suppose that would work
[8:34] <Datalink> kk, we get folks at all levels here
[8:34] <Kanerix> Yeah
[8:35] <Datalink> I try to be accomodating to the intro crowd, because it's part of what the Pi is about
[8:35] <Kanerix> I do Software QA for embedded linux systems
[8:35] <Kanerix> yep
[8:35] <Datalink> "here, have a really cheap Linux computer that you can't screw up irreperably and learn"
[8:35] <Kanerix> unless you don't buy a case and manage to drop a screwdriver on it
[8:35] <Datalink> it'd be nice if Adobe still had an AVR flash
[8:35] <blockh34d> theres gnash but its kinda meh
[8:36] <Kanerix> yeah, I found some sort of weird hack
[8:36] <Kanerix> yeah, gnash
[8:36] <Kanerix> that's the one
[8:36] <Datalink> okay... a cheap linux computer that is cheap to replace
[8:36] <Datalink> I'll have to look into that
[8:36] <Kanerix> gnash is a mess
[8:36] <Kanerix> in my experience
[8:36] <blockh34d> agree
[8:36] <Datalink> otherwise I'll be pulling the APK from my phone and ripping it apart for it's juicy inyards
[8:36] <blockh34d> better off without
[8:37] <blockh34d> if there were more free games for rpi, and they didnt totally suck, who would try them out/ play them?
[8:37] <Datalink> has Chrome been ported to the ARM platform yet, or is it still just x86? or Chromium?
[8:37] <blockh34d> i think about making them with the goal of giving them away for free
[8:37] <Kanerix> Chromium
[8:37] <blockh34d> chromium is pretty usable
[8:37] <blockh34d> little laggy
[8:37] <Kanerix> It's way heavy on the CPU load
[8:37] <blockh34d> i prefer luakit for most browsing on pi
[8:38] <Kanerix> especially compared to midori
[8:38] <Datalink> I've been thinking of using Chromium when I replace the LibreOffice MB...
[8:38] <blockh34d> yah luakit is much lighter
[8:38] <Datalink> it literally just displays dates and times, a web page could do that easy
[8:38] <blockh34d> luakit is lightest of any i've tried
[8:38] <Kanerix> I haven't used that
[8:38] <blockh34d> so light, there is no scrollbar
[8:38] <blockh34d> or interface, really
[8:38] <Datalink> if I did it via web page, I could dump an XML file or even a text file on the website and have it pulled regularly
[8:38] <blockh34d> you can enable a scrollbar if you really need it
[8:38] <Kanerix> 131 KB/s is pretty abysmal...
[8:38] <Kanerix> wait
[8:39] <Kanerix> that's measuring bytes not bits
[8:39] <Kanerix> 1 megabit/s
[8:39] <Kanerix> still not great
[8:39] <Datalink> lightspark?
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[8:40] <Kanerix> I'll try it
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[8:40] <Kanerix> it's installing now
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[8:44] <Kanerix> I like how the B+ ports are arranged less spastically now.
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[8:44] <Kanerix> with the mini USB dongles, I just have cables going into ports on one side
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[8:44] <blockh34d> so no one here too interested in playing games on their pi?
[8:45] <Kanerix> not really
[8:45] <blockh34d> i am kinda surprised, i figured it be the kinda thing people migh tget into
[8:45] <Kanerix> I have my 4770k/GTX770 machine for games
[8:45] <Kanerix> This is a toy
[8:45] <blockh34d> ...
[8:45] <Kanerix> A useful toy
[8:45] <blockh34d> lol
[8:46] <blockh34d> seems like toys + games = win win
[8:46] <Kanerix> I intend to learn more programming stuff with it
[8:46] <Kanerix> it's a challenge thing for me
[8:46] <blockh34d> yes its good for that
[8:46] <blockh34d> i recommend python
[8:46] <blockh34d> waht if it was a game device focused on 'party style' games
[8:47] <Datalink> Minecraft PI edition runs... alright... though scary enough, I've seen Arduinos run Minecraft
[8:47] <blockh34d> where everyone has their own device and plugs into network to mass-game
[8:47] <Kanerix> I was aiming more for C++
[8:47] <blockh34d> Kanerix: that could be kinda painful, compiling on pi can be a slow
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[8:50] <Datalink> heh, lan party casual, bring your Pi and party?
[8:50] <Kanerix> Datalink, the pi edition seems to have been abandoned
[8:50] <Kanerix> can't even do anything in it =/
[8:50] <Datalink> Kanerix, yeah, sadly, it's not a money making venture for Mojang so I don't blame them
[8:50] <Kanerix> proof of concept
[8:50] <Datalink> yeah
[8:50] <Kanerix> and killed
[8:50] <Datalink> nah, just too low priority to pay coders for
[8:50] <Datalink> some day they may build on it, but not today
[8:50] <Kanerix> same thing, sort of
[8:50] <Datalink> shame Notch abandoned 0x01C that looked like it was gonna be fun, at least from the computer aspect
[8:50] * Datalink kinda wonders if anyone implemented that computer in Minecraft as a mod or something
[8:51] <blockh34d> Datalink: yah thats the idea, lan party gaming device
[8:51] <Kanerix> What's that?
[8:52] <blockh34d> raspberry pi
[8:52] <blockh34d> with a usb controller
[8:52] <blockh34d> gamepad i mean
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[8:53] <Datalink> correction 0x10C was a space game Notch was writing at one point, was based around a fictional 16 bit CPU he worked out the code for called the DCPU-16, presumably the player would be stuck in Stasis too long, ala Red Dwarf due to an endien error in the model of stasis pod
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[8:55] <blockh34d> cool yah my 2nd game pitch in that writeup is named Parsec Warp
[8:55] <blockh34d> it sounds kinda similar
[8:55] <blockh34d> like overhead freelancer
[8:55] <Kanerix> I'm aware that it will be slow
[8:56] <Kanerix> but it will be simple
[8:56] <blockh34d> 55fps?
[8:56] <blockh34d> my game engine gets 55fps in splitscreen at 1080p
[8:56] <blockh34d> not slow.
[8:56] <Kanerix> No, compiling
[8:56] <Datalink> Pi targetting means possibly using an accelerated graphic rendering, instead of the X11
[8:57] <blockh34d> yah by aiming at the pi i can implement its gpu more specifically
[8:57] <Datalink> Kanerix, you can compile off-machine
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[8:57] <blockh34d> and i think that allows for great graphics power
[8:57] <Kanerix> Yeah, but cross-compiling is a bitch. I have a VM set up to do it on my laptop, but it doesn't feel the same
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[8:57] <Kanerix> I dunno, it's a weird thing for me
[8:57] <Datalink> that said, I used to have an I2C LED that I attached to my Pi when compiling, blue meant working, green meant that system make returned a successful compile, red on fail
[8:58] <Kanerix> that's clever
[8:58] <Datalink> Kanerix, cross compiling is detailed in the kernel compile part of elinux.org in the RPi section, it can also be applied for application compiling
[8:58] <Datalink> it worked partially
[8:58] <Datalink> I didn't get the make error codes right
[8:58] <Kanerix> I have tons of other things to occupy me while it's compiling
[8:58] <Datalink> but ehe, it turned color
[8:59] <Datalink> half tempted to make a pure compiling machine, have it run single user to be faster
[8:59] <Kanerix> I've also considered trying LFS on this thing, but that would be a little awkward
[8:59] <Datalink> haha, the easy route script would take a month
[8:59] * Kanerix shrugs
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[9:02] <Datalink> hm, maybe I should make a server script that accepts a kernal config, and optional libraries and outputs a kernel image suitable for the Pi's boot directory
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[9:06] <gordonDrogon> morning.
[9:07] <Kanerix> if you say so
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[9:37] <Fudge> oh man how do i expand my card
[9:40] <ShorTie> depends on os
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[9:43] <Fudge> raspbian
[9:44] <Fudge> Raspbian GNU/Linux 7
[9:44] <ShorTie> then you should be able to use raspi-config from the comand line
[9:45] <Fudge> ah
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[9:50] <Fudge> thanks
[9:50] <Fudge> is piface a camera thing
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[10:02] <ShorTie> don't think so
[10:02] <Fudge> mm
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[10:12] <gordonDrogon> Fudge, sorted? If not, then sudo raspi-config and select the option there.
[10:13] <gordonDrogon> Fudge, PiFace have 2 boards (that I'm aware of) then original PiFace which is a GPIO expander board with 2 relays, and the display module which is.. well, a little LCD display.
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[10:19] <Fudge> gordonDrogon: thanks, I didnt think the script was accessible so didnt use it but it works great from my console, so i expect when other blind ppl were trying it, it was from a windows machine
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[10:19] <Fudge> but I am interested if raspberry-config accepts parems so one does not have to invoke the interface
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[10:20] <ShorTie> not that i know of
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[10:21] <Fudge> best way to test sound just grab an mp3 and use mplayer or something?
[10:23] <ShorTie> ya, is this a model B or B+ your are playing with ??
[10:25] <Fudge> B+
[10:25] <Fudge> sorry guys, I should Google or find a wii I guess
[10:25] <ShorTie> ok, you know that 3.5mm jack also has video in it
[10:25] <Fudge> well my startrek computer voice 'program loaded and ready.wav' works
[10:26] <Fudge> yeah but i have headphones at moment on a 3pole
[10:26] <ShorTie> so it take a triplee tip plug
[10:26] <Fudge> i jsut wanted to make sure sound is working before I try to figure out how to load speakup into the kernel
[10:26] <ShorTie> Cool
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[10:31] <Fudge> mm some things debian does different to ubuntu
[10:31] <Fudge> other way round
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[10:45] <Fudge> yay startup sound
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[10:47] <Fudge> autologin you dont have to install another program
[10:49] <ShorTie> if you want the user pi to login at boot to the gui, that canbe configured in raspi-config too...
[10:49] <Fudge> i just wanted the 6 tty's logged in automatically
[10:49] <Fudge> rob tty3 2014-08-02 18:49
[10:49] <Fudge> rob tty2 2014-08-02 18:49
[10:49] <Fudge> rob tty5 2014-08-02 18:49
[10:49] <Fudge> etc
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[10:54] <Fudge> ok might pi now speaks TTS
[10:55] <Fudge> but the sound is a bit blurry, using 3.5 not hdmi
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[10:57] <Fudge> Message from syslogd@raspberrypipi at Aug 2 18:56:41 ... kernel:[ 464.809213] 3fe0: 00000000 00000000 00000000 00000000 00000013 00000000 20000080 01000004
[10:57] <Fudge> guess thats bad
[10:57] <james_olympus> Fudge: Are you using a 4-pole jack plug?
[10:57] <Fudge> nah
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[10:58] <Fudge> can you get them on plain headphones? I have one on a rca leed, that is it has three female rca plugs as in going to an AV unit
[10:59] <james_olympus> You can get little adapters, don't know about headphones
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[11:02] <Fudge> oh right
[11:02] <Fudge> i was in electronics store today but he didnt say anything
[11:03] <Fudge> ok lets see if my irssi comes up on reboot
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[11:08] <Fudge> yep this is on pi
[11:08] <Fudge> irssi proxy
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[11:14] * GoldDigger slaps Fudge around a bit with a large trout
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[11:23] <Fudge> thats not really mirc is it?
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[11:23] <GoldDigger> :P its irc, you are on here right
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[11:41] <Fudge> gordonDrogon: the trout is the mirc classic slap
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[11:44] <Fudge> oh GoldDigger i mean
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[11:47] <vinou33> Hello everybody :)
[11:48] <Fudge> vinou33: hello there
[11:49] <vinou33> Hello Fudge
[11:50] <Fudge> am I correct in thinking the B+ has wifi onboard?
[11:51] <vinou33> I would like to know, do you think it is possible to create a multi region blu ray reader thanks to a raspberry pi (i travel a lot and i am a bit tired to bring my dvd and blurays... i cannot read them)
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[11:51] <Fudge> sorry mate im new on the pi
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[11:52] <blockh34d> vinou33: maybe you'd like my media player UI, i think its pretty easy to deal with: http://store.raspberrypi.org/projects/scamp
[11:53] <blockh34d> no bluray though sorry.
[11:54] <vinou33> blockh34d: ok, thanks. The problem seems to be to get the files in order to decode the blurays...
[11:55] <blockh34d> i can't stand playing media off stuff with moving parts anymore
[11:55] <vinou33> blockh34d: what is the langage you used to create your Media Player User Interface ?
[11:55] <blockh34d> thumbdrives + pi = no moving parts, no fans, whats not to love
[11:55] <blockh34d> vinou33: python
[11:55] <blockh34d> its only in English and Russian for now
[11:55] <blockh34d> but soon many other languages
[11:56] <blockh34d> i used ncurses to handle mouse input and such
[11:56] <vinou33> blockh34d: python... i would like to know it :) It seems to take its place in the future langages.
[11:56] <blockh34d> it may not look like it but thats compatible with the mouse
[11:56] <vinou33> blockh34d: ok
[11:56] <blockh34d> yes python is a lot of fun i recommend it
[11:56] <blockh34d> its very accessible, easy to learn
[11:57] <blockh34d> you should give it a try, if you have problems you can ask me and i'll do waht i can to help
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[11:58] <blockh34d> does anyone have the time or interest in reviewing a kickstarter project draft i'm working on?
[11:58] <blockh34d> i'm a horrible writer
[11:58] <vinou33> ok, thanks :). Nevertheless, i am discovering the raspberry pi :). Do you know that microsoft has created its own raspberry pi ? They are crazy... they are going to sell it ... 300 $
[11:59] <Fudge> so do these hav wifi on board, i thought they did
[11:59] <blockh34d> vinou33: absurd
[11:59] <blockh34d> Fudge: sorry have not tried b+ yet so i dont know
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[12:00] <vinou33> blockh34d: it is true. http://www.pcworld.com/article/2459200/meet-microsofts-sharks-cove-a-raspberry-pi-style-mini-pc-running-windows-8-1.html
[12:01] <vinou33> How many cost the B+ ?
[12:01] <gordonDrogon> Fudge, no Wi-Fi in the B+
[12:01] <blockh34d> yah i believe it but taht POS is DOA
[12:01] <Fudge> thanks
[12:01] <blockh34d> ^^ vinou33
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[12:01] <Fudge> so little dongles plug in then, i hae one for bluetooth already
[12:01] <gordonDrogon> Fudge, the B+ does have 4 USB ports though, so more space for things than the B.
[12:01] <Fudge> ya
[12:02] <RoBo_V> hey techTalkers, Afternoon !
[12:02] <gordonDrogon> And better power management, so more port available to the USB ports - but you really do need a good PSU to drive it all!
[12:02] <blockh34d> hi RoBo_V hows it going
[12:02] <gordonDrogon> RoBo_V, still morning here :)
[12:02] <Fudge> oh didnt know you could get bluetooh/wifi dongles, should ahve known though
[12:02] <RoBo_V> gordonDrogon: ahh ok :)
[12:03] <RoBo_V> hey blockh34d, good working around MSP430 Launchpad, You tell !
[12:03] <blockh34d> RoBo_V: just trying to improve taht KS project writeup some, its like pulling teeth
[12:03] <gordonDrogon> vinou33, what MS has creates isn't a "Pi" at all - I think it's just the ignorant journalists jumping on the case. It's a development board for other projects - e.g. tablets, etc.
[12:04] <vinou33> if i understand, it is not possible to create a bluray player with a raspberry pi. So, i need to find a way in order to rip my blurays. Is there a software which permits to do that ?
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[12:05] <vinou33> gordonDrogon: Ok, thanks. Everybody say in my country it is a concurrent. I live in france...
[12:05] <RoBo_V> blockh34d: which one ?
[12:06] <blockh34d> RoBo_V: oh maybe i have mistaken your nick for another, i thought you read my earlier draft yesterday or so... here's link to current: http://codepad.org/6nalj1pd/raw.txt
[12:06] <blockh34d> feedback welcome
[12:06] <blockh34d> i dont think they'll approve my project
[12:07] <RoBo_V> blockh34d: oh ho got it, that Maze solver we discussed too. right ?
[12:07] <blockh34d> yes thats right
[12:07] <RoBo_V> Sorry for may bad.
[12:07] <RoBo_V> :(
[12:07] <blockh34d> no worries i totally understand
[12:07] <blockh34d> irc nicks kinda all run togheter for me
[12:07] <gordonDrogon> blockh34d, sounds interesting.
[12:07] <blockh34d> all one big alphabet soup
[12:07] <RoBo_V> So you prepared the KS outline ?
[12:07] <blockh34d> gordonDrogon: hey thanks
[12:08] <blockh34d> RoBo_V: yes i wrote a newer version its at that link, i didnt post to kickstarter yet
[12:08] <RoBo_V> yes I looking at it
[12:08] <blockh34d> i feel like i might need to adjust the format of my pitch a little
[12:08] <blockh34d> since i seems theres some rules i may be breaking or something
[12:08] <blockh34d> like the project isnt specific enough maybe? i dunno
[12:08] <blockh34d> they'll probably find some reason to shoot it down
[12:09] <blockh34d> too busy making potato salad guy rich
[12:09] <Fudge> lol
[12:09] <blockh34d> that guy lives a mile away from me
[12:09] <gordonDrogon> blockh34d, there are other paces - e.g. indiegogo ..
[12:10] <blockh34d> gordonDrogon: yah maybe i'll try them out
[12:10] <blockh34d> i'm just really discouraged
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[12:10] <blockh34d> i feel like none of this is every going to pan out for me at all no matter what i do
[12:10] <gordonDrogon> blockh34d, have you a working framework yet?
[12:10] <blockh34d> yah i have a completely playable multiplyaer deathmatch
[12:10] <blockh34d> splitscreen
[12:10] <gordonDrogon> ok
[12:10] <blockh34d> gets 50+fps at 1080p
[12:10] <gordonDrogon> well, that ought to be good for the demo/video.
[12:10] <blockh34d> yah
[12:11] <blockh34d> i think maybe i'll have to make it like, my project is the game engine
[12:11] <RoBo_V> blockh34d: all game would be just multiplayer ?
[12:11] <gordonDrogon> I keep thinking of re-applying my basic interpreter into something like that, but don't have the energy right now.
[12:11] <blockh34d> and if i meet various stretch goals, i'll include more 'demos' (full games) made with the engine
[12:11] <blockh34d> RoBo_V: yes multiplyaer is a central focus
[12:11] <blockh34d> i think its the real strength of rpi as a gaming platform
[12:11] <blockh34d> everyone could have their own device, hop on the lan, lan party fun
[12:12] <blockh34d> so it may not be the most advanced game ever made but if its fun who cares
[12:12] <blockh34d> i just want to make a fun game and give it away to people so they can play it
[12:12] <blockh34d> something i've been working on my whole life, it just seems to keep eluding me
[12:13] <blockh34d> i'm probably just too pessimistic
[12:13] <blockh34d> i dunno
[12:13] <blockh34d> i should probably cahnge the dollar amounts involved
[12:14] <blockh34d> they're too high i just kinda made some numbers up
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[12:17] <Fudge> when talking usb adapters for wifi/bluetooth which one is the best to get to work out of the box, im looking at the wiki but having trouble finding on ebay
[12:18] <Fudge> it came up with a cl2417 dual dongle
[12:21] <RoBo_V> blockh34d: well read it, but how much participations you expect from KS ?
[12:21] <Fudge> http://www.ebay.com.au/itm/Raspberry-Pi-compatible-802-11b-g-n-Wireless-USB-Network-Adapter-LAN-Wifi-Dongle-/131254221990?pt=AU_MultiFormatMediaPlayers&hash=item1e8f5c7ca6
[12:22] <blockh34d> RoBo_V: none, i dont expect anything to happen with it
[12:22] <blockh34d> i'll try, cause i feel like i gotta keep trying, but its not going anywhere
[12:23] <blockh34d> if people wanted to play games on the pi, it'd already be a more established genre
[12:23] <blockh34d> i'm gonna try anyways
[12:23] <blockh34d> i dont really know what else to do
[12:23] <RoBo_V> Well ofc you should go ahead, no doubt about it
[12:24] <blockh34d> thanks, gonna give it a shot
[12:24] <RoBo_V> I'm asking do you have any currently developers who are interested to work on it ?
[12:24] <blockh34d> and one way or another, i'm going to make a fun game for rpi and i'm going to give it away for free
[12:24] <blockh34d> RoBo_V: just me
[12:26] <RoBo_V> blockh34d: Ok, Put on KS and lets see how many people are interested in working for this OS platform and playing.
[12:27] <blockh34d> yes i have a friend bring over a nicer camera today or tomorrow sometime, going to shoot a video
[12:27] <blockh34d> its hard to take video capture because of how it accesses the video hardware
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[12:27] <blockh34d> so i'll just aim a camera at the tv
[12:28] <RoBo_V> Ok sounds good
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[12:33] <ppq> you can use a framegrabber card to capture the video
[12:33] <ppq> at least with the FBAS plug
[12:33] <blockh34d> ppq: even if its using OpenMax output layer?
[12:33] <blockh34d> or however you're supposed to phrase that
[12:33] <ppq> doesn't matter where the video comes from since it's on hardware level
[12:33] <blockh34d> probably not layer
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[12:34] <blockh34d> i dunno, openmax draws seem the overwrite all else, like they're super low level
[12:34] <ppq> for HDMI there is equipment, too, but that's much more expensive
[12:34] <blockh34d> oh i see
[12:34] <blockh34d> framegrabber card
[12:34] <blockh34d> i thought you meant software
[12:34] <ppq> no
[12:34] <blockh34d> i can't afford special hardware
[12:34] <blockh34d> i can't even stay fed
[12:35] <blockh34d> i wish the pistore worked better
[12:35] <ppq> for the FBAS thing a framegrabber card costs you no more than $20 on ebay
[12:35] <blockh34d> i can't tell if anyone has ever donated anything to my project
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[12:35] <blockh34d> it says no, 0$ so far, but i've had people online insist on paypalling me the moment they saw it
[12:35] <blockh34d> so i dunno
[12:35] <blockh34d> pistore seems like its got some wrinkles to iron out still
[12:36] <blockh34d> says 0 total page views too, lol
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[12:37] <blockh34d> ppq: i'll remember that for the next time i have some gadget budget, thanks
[12:37] <ppq> i just found one for HDMI: "AVerMedia Live Gamer". available as USB2.0 and PCI Express x1. 1080p recording with 30 fps (with internal x264 encoding). costs around 70€
[12:38] <blockh34d> thats what, 120 usd or so?
[12:38] <ppq> $93, says google
[12:38] <blockh34d> would you believe thats almost my entire monthly income?
[12:38] <blockh34d> and i do every possible scrap of paying work i can get my hands on
[12:38] <blockh34d> ohio is a wasteland :/
[12:39] <ppq> wow, that's not much :(
[12:39] <blockh34d> i was homeless last year
[12:39] <blockh34d> i would still be if my parents hadnt bought this old condemned property
[12:39] <blockh34d> so i fixed it up, rent out half, split the rent with parents... comes to a little under 200 a month
[12:39] <blockh34d> n/m
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[12:40] <blockh34d> i'm just super depressed i think my diet sucks
[12:40] <blockh34d> sorry if its a drag
[12:41] <blockh34d> i appreciate the framegrabber tip i'll try to get one when i can
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[12:41] <blockh34d> sounds much better than 'aima camera at the tv'
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[13:02] <blockh34d> are there any other hosting options than pistore the chan would recommend for free, closed-source apps for rpi?
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[13:38] <gordonDrogon> can't you host it yourself?
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[13:40] <blockh34d> no money
[13:40] <blockh34d> seriuosly none at all
[13:41] <blockh34d> i just dont understand how the problems that were there with pistore when i signed up 3 monthes ago are still there now... they seem intentional almost, how hard is it to update the admin panels 'page visitors' count or 'amount you have made'?
[13:41] <blockh34d> like they just want to keep that info hidden so maybe you'll think its 0 and leave it or something
[13:42] <blockh34d> no wonder why theres barely 100 total apps/games on the thing
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[13:42] <blockh34d> even though there has been millions of rpi's sold and most of them, to programmers
[13:43] <blockh34d> are we supposed to believe 1 in 10,000 rpi users want to publish their work?
[13:43] <blockh34d> it doesnt add up
[13:44] <blockh34d> you shoulda seen what a total pita it was to get my app in there too
[13:44] <blockh34d> i did everything according to spec, tested it on several rpis, no problem... then spent 3 weeks waiting for it to get approved as my tester tried it, over and over again, with a raspbian image a year and a half old
[13:45] <blockh34d> kept having problems, kept demanding i fix them, nothing to fix, as soon as he updated, no more problems
[13:45] <blockh34d> no wonder its 1:10,000 ratio.
[13:45] <blockh34d> something like AUR would be nice
[13:46] <blockh34d> maybe thats what i'll have to use. I kinda like raspbian but wtf, this is pathetic
[13:52] <ShorTie> out of curiosity, what is the name of your game ??
[13:52] <blockh34d> its not published yet
[13:52] <blockh34d> my app is Scamp though
[13:53] <blockh34d> http://store.raspberrypi.org/projects/scamp
[13:53] <blockh34d> 0 page views, 0 donations, 0 downloads, 4.8/5.0 rating. hmm wtf
[13:54] <blockh34d> my game is named Balistica
[13:54] <blockh34d> it'll be published shortly
[13:55] <blockh34d> i'm thinking about baking something like a free app store into my scamp
[13:55] <blockh34d> so its got a games tab and you can just add stuff to it with minimal fuss
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[14:08] <Fudge> ok i got my bluetooth keyboard paired
[14:08] <Fudge> but seems like cant ddo headset
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[15:27] <gordonDrogon> I'm baking (more) bread and a chocolate cake today. Probably not the same type of baking that blockh34d is doing though :)
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[16:28] <Robert-pi> My pi is acting as a wifi hotspot. Is there a way to see the MAC and IP of connected devices?
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[16:29] <gordonDrogon> try arp -a
[16:30] <Robert-pi> ah cool
[16:30] <gordonDrogon> or; ip neigh show
[16:31] <gordonDrogon> which has a better chance of showing ipv6
[16:31] <Robert-pi> arp -i wlan0
[16:31] <Robert-pi> :) Shows what's on the wlan :)
[16:31] <Robert-pi> i wasn't familiar w/ the arp command
[16:33] <gordonDrogon> it's old...
[16:33] <gordonDrogon> older than this new fanngled ip ... stuff...
[16:34] <Robert-pi> ha
[16:34] <Robert-pi> i was expeting having to seach some dhcp handout mess
[16:37] <gordonDrogon> ARP is the mechanics that connects IP addresses to the devices physical MAC address.
[16:37] <Robert-pi> yeah I'm familiar w/ the process, but the command is new
[16:37] <ShorTie> Address Resoltion Protacol is it not ??
[16:37] <gordonDrogon> yup.
[16:38] <Robert-pi> i know hardward sends an arp request and gets it's IP via that
[16:38] <gordonDrogon> but spelt rite.
[16:38] <Robert-pi> speeling iz ovar ray-ted
[16:39] <gordonDrogon> hardware knows it's IP address, but it won't know the MAC address of something it's talking to - so device sends ARP request: Who is 192.168.x.y and that IP device replys with their MAC address, original device then uses the MAC to send data to that IP.
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[16:39] <gn0> hello!
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[16:42] <gordonDrogon> kitchen calls. laters.
[16:42] <blockh34d> gordonDrogon: no baking going on here. :(
[16:43] <blockh34d> maybe (definately) i'd be in a better mood if there was
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[17:00] <clever> Robert-pi: there is also cat /proc/net/arp
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[17:01] <clever> it helps to know the raw commands, some systems like android leave the tools like 'arp' out of the build to save disk space
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[17:13] <bugy_> is there pool for what is the raspberrypi used for
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[17:20] <shiftplusone> bugy_, I don't mean to give a jerk-like answer, but... google. There are plenty of different lists of what people have done and different project idea lists
[17:20] <bugy_> alright
[17:21] <bugy_> i'm well beyond period of getting easy offended :)
[17:23] <shiftplusone> good, since I meant no offence, but you know how things can come across on IRC sometimes...
[17:24] <bugy_> yes thanks
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[17:46] <RzR> hi
[17:47] <bugy_> hi
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[18:03] <RzR> anyone here uses https://github.com/debian-pi/raspbian-ua-netinst ?
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[18:19] <shiftplusone> RzR, do you have a question about it?
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[18:36] <RzR> it's broken atm , I have the fix
[18:42] <djazz> wow, setting up the pi as bluetooth audio reciever is much easier than I remembered/used to be
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[18:46] <felixjet> it is possible to connect an arduino to a raspberry using the usb cable?
[18:46] <ppq> sure
[18:46] <felixjet> or the arduino power consumption is a problem?
[18:46] <ppq> depends on the circuitry you attach to the arduino
[18:47] <ppq> just try
[18:48] <felixjet> but since the arduino have a power conector
[18:48] <felixjet> its better to use that?
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[18:51] <ppq> yes
[18:52] <ppq> the most common way is to connect using UART, by the way
[18:52] <ppq> no need to sacrifice a usb port
[18:52] <ppq> but mind the logic levels
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[19:07] <felixjet> its ok i don't use any of them xD
[19:07] <felixjet> thanks for the help
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[19:32] <surfs^> hey, all
[19:32] <surfs^> can someone recommend a rasberrypi kit for ~60 USD price range?
[19:33] <surfs^> it's for someone who wants to learn linux
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[19:34] <mgottschlag> I usually suggest people to install linux in a VM if they want to learn using it
[19:34] <mgottschlag> if you want to use the pi though, just grab a random SD card and a case
[19:34] <mgottschlag> microSD card if you use a B+
[19:36] <surfs^> mgottschlag: nice, good suggestions
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[19:41] <ShorTie> this has No keyboard or mouse, but a good starter http://www.mcmelectronics.com/product/83-16335
[19:42] <IT_Sean> it also has no power supply, or SD card, by the looks of it
[19:42] <IT_Sean> It's a Pi and a case.
[19:43] <IT_Sean> So, you will also need a MicroSD card, a power supply, and HDMI lead, and a keyboard & mouse
[19:43] <ShorTie> thought it had a sdcard, sorry
[19:43] <IT_Sean> Kit Includes
[19:43] <IT_Sean> Raspberry Pi Model B+ Board
[19:43] <IT_Sean> Multicomp Clear B+ Case
[19:44] <ShorTie> almost l00ks like newark/element14 doesn't like selling pi's No more
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[19:44] <ShorTie> clicked on buy now and it took me to mcm
[19:44] <IT_Sean> http://www.adafruit.com/products/1914 http://www.adafruit.com/products/501 http://www.adafruit.com/products/102
[19:45] <IT_Sean> surfs^, those three things are the MINIMUM required to get started
[19:45] <IT_Sean> You may also need an HDMI lead, mouse, and keyboard.
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[19:46] <IT_Sean> I also recommend this wifi module. I've got two of 'em, and they work well
[19:46] <IT_Sean> http://www.adafruit.com/products/814
[19:48] <clever> i figured out what my i2c issues where, too much pull-up on the clock line
[19:48] <DanDare> IT_Sean, i had no luck with that wifi (its 5370 chip really?). But it may be that I just got a defective one
[19:48] <clever> it wasnt going all the way to gnd
[19:48] <IT_Sean> DanDare, i've tow of them, andthey both wored right out of hte box in raspbian
[19:49] <IT_Sean> Two
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[19:49] <DanDare> IT_Sean, in my case it detected all fine also, but very unstable
[19:49] <Samysam> Hi all! I'm using an adc to read a potentiometer on I2C. It' works find except there is some variability (exemple of read values when I don't move the potentiometer: http://pastebin.com/U71TWVLy)
[19:49] <clever> i noticed a major glitch in the raspbian wifi scripts
[19:49] <clever> wpa_supplicant will automaticaly reconnect the wifi when it looses the connection
[19:49] <DanDare> But nice to know it works well, gives me hope on trying stuff a bit more
[19:49] <ShorTie> unstable, could be power or signal strength
[19:49] <clever> but ifplugd detects the loss of connection, and shuts wpa_supplicant off 'since its not needed'
[19:49] <Samysam> does someone know some algorythm to smooth the read (like the debuncing algorythm)
[19:50] <clever> that then stops it from reconnecting
[19:50] <clever> and leaves it dead in the water
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[19:50] <DanDare> ShorTie, yeah. Must sort it out (almost did already)
[19:51] <DanDare> im very close to the router and using a good PS
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[19:51] <DanDare> also, i dont remember if I tested it after rpi-update
[19:51] <ShorTie> on those mini's like that, i'd guess more signal strength
[19:51] <clever> DanDare: the bug i encountered, just breaks reconnect entirely
[19:51] <DanDare> the other wifi i have stopped being problematic after rpi-update so maybe thats
[19:51] <clever> so if it looses the connection even once, its toast until you reboot or type in a reconnect command
[19:52] <DanDare> clever, you mean, getting 'disabling IRQ#32' errors ?
[19:52] <DanDare> or other weird error messages
[19:52] <clever> thats totaly different
[19:52] <DanDare> ok then
[19:52] <clever> my problem didnt produce any real error, it just disconnects and stays dead
[19:52] <clever> because the rasbian scripts kill off the service that handles reconnection
[19:53] <DanDare> clever, i had such type of problems with raspbian-netinst. but its running all fine with plain raspbian
[19:53] <clever> i havent used it on wifi in several months though
[19:53] <DanDare> the wpa resetting thing
[19:53] <clever> still on wep here, lol
[19:54] <DanDare> well, i guess you dont mind sharing your internet with entire neighbor :p
[19:55] <clever> the neighbors arent that smart
[19:55] <DanDare> ah ok then :)
[19:55] <IT_Sean> Securtiy through stupid neighbors, aye?
[19:55] <clever> but i do know what you mean, ive had plans to set the pi into auto-crack mode
[19:55] <DanDare> hahahah
[19:55] <clever> in theory, the pi could sniff everything nearby, and auto-crack the key, then connect and vpn home
[19:56] <DanDare> yeah, in practice also. other people did that already
[19:56] <DanDare> (or same type of stuff)
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[19:58] <DanDare> cant find anymore, some article of a guy that presented a bad pi spying project at defcon, or any other crazy hacker meet
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[19:59] <clever> i just remembered another wifi project, i think it was called air-pwn
[19:59] <clever> basicaly, one card will sniff the air for an http request
[19:59] <DanDare> this is http://www.forbes.com/sites/andygreenberg/2013/07/26/hackers-tiny-spy-computers-aim-to-track-targets-around-entire-neighborhoods-and-cities/
[19:59] <clever> the 2nd card (you must use 2) will then fake an http reply, before the server on the web has a chance
[20:00] <clever> and with the 2 combined, you can intercept and fake the reply to ANY http request
[20:00] <clever> on wep or un-encrypted
[20:00] <clever> wpa, not sure
[20:00] <clever> one NSFW example, it replaced every jpg with goatse :P
[20:00] <clever> (if you dont know what is it, dont google it, you dont want to know)
[20:01] <IT_Sean> That's not really aproperate content for #raspberrypi
[20:01] <IT_Sean> If you have to say "(dont google it, you dont want to know)", then it shouldn't be discussed here.
[20:02] <clever> ok
[20:04] <DanDare> oh, sorry then IT_Sean
[20:04] <clever> since i have to wait until tue to get the package at the post office, i'm thinking i should grab an old AVR and try programming that up to do my tasks here
[20:04] <clever> let see, first i need the ISP adapter
[20:05] <DanDare> I personally hate that type of project. just another motivation for NSA and others forcing spywares on our units
[20:05] <clever> DanDare: https would stop the air-pwn from working
[20:05] <DanDare> it thats even possible, it always is :p
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[20:07] <DanDare> offtopic, but very interesting http://igurublog.wordpress.com/2014/04/08/julian-assange-debian-is-owned-by-the-nsa/
[20:07] <DanDare> clever, yeah. its simple as using https for cases like that
[20:07] <DanDare> at least its another security layer
[20:07] <clever> but with the nsa, couldnt they force the american CA's to sign a fake cert?
[20:08] <clever> and then your browser will trust it uncondionaly
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[20:08] <clever> so your hosed enless you lock the server cert (a feature in chrome)
[20:08] <DanDare> clever, bah... certsign is totally owned by NSA
[20:08] <clever> with chrome, you can download the current cert, and lock things down so it only accepts that cert
[20:08] <clever> then if the server changes to another perfectly valid cert, it warns you
[20:09] <DanDare> chrome = google = owned
[20:09] <DanDare> :p
[20:10] <DanDare> total anonymity is a illusion
[20:10] <clever> tor
[20:10] <DanDare> even that, not 100% guaranteed
[20:10] <clever> yeah
[20:10] <clever> you have to understand all the ways they can catch you, and know how to fight them all
[20:10] <clever> you cant just blindly install tor, login on your old facebook acct, and spam somebody :P
[20:11] <DanDare> I made a interesting test the other, it was a total mess
[20:12] <DanDare> a tor connection, then openvpn on tor proxy to another server. that server running tor, from that server a vpn connection trough tor, to a third server
[20:12] <clever> lol
[20:12] <clever> tcp or udp vpn?
[20:12] <DanDare> the 3th server i was running at same place i initiated the connection (here home)
[20:12] <DanDare> this 3th server running tor aswell :p
[20:12] <ppq> so your home was your exit node? bold strategy ;)
[20:13] <DanDare> what I got on netstat was DoD ssh requests, chinese mainframes ssh and ftp requests, and EU regulatory agency ssh and ftp requests
[20:13] <clever> lol
[20:13] <DanDare> more like they all run tor exit nodes and tracking more suspected connections etc
[20:13] <shiftplusone> Debian is owned by the NSA, ey?
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[20:14] <shiftplusone> Hell, I hear this NSA thing goes all the way to the Government!
[20:14] <clever> ok, lets see, first i want to find the i2c pins on this avr
[20:15] <DanDare> ppq, not any strategy, just getting used to openvpn, tor, and crazy experiments
[20:15] <ppq> shiftplusone, better use the windows!
[20:15] <clever> 328p
[20:15] <shiftplusone> ppq, of course
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[20:16] <clever> pins 27 and 28
[20:16] <DanDare> so, if you are a real NSA target, most likely they will find you anyway ;)
[20:16] <shiftplusone> ^ that
[20:17] <clever> DanDare: i have had people tell me that the fbi are watching me
[20:17] <clever> i'm in canada
[20:17] <clever> and it was nothing but an empty threat from script-kiddies who got out-done :P
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[20:17] <DanDare> clever, do you do bad things ?
[20:17] <aseba> Hello! I need a little help. A power outage broke my original Raspberry-pi OS SD card and it lost the partition. Any trick to recover it?
[20:18] <clever> DanDare: i talked a guy into running a $decode thing, gave him his own password, and taught him about computer security
[20:18] <shiftplusone> DanDare, but I think the concern the anti-nsa folk have is that they DON'T focus on specific targets but have systems in place to collect everyone's data without any warrants or anything.
[20:18] <clever> DanDare: he whined to the network admins, who claimed i infected their servers and it took hours to fix
[20:18] <aseba> I had a nice set up in that raspberry and I would like to not-loose it :(
[20:18] <clever> DanDare: and when i wouldnt stop asking for them to remove the ban, they called my ISP up and made a false claim about me spreading viruses
[20:19] <clever> then the modem stopped accepting my name/pw
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[20:19] <DanDare> clever, damn... better be quiet than talk :p
[20:19] <DanDare> shiftplusone, yeah, they collect data from everybody. but its not personal
[20:19] <clever> and they refused to give any proof about the damages i had done
[20:20] <clever> they claimed i could resume my hacking if i had the proof
[20:20] <shiftplusone> aseba, look up testdisk, maybe.
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[20:20] <clever> i had full log files of the incedent, i had nothing to gain
[20:20] <aseba> shiftplusone: lets see
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[20:34] <DanDare> saturday, 3:33PM, i think this is a perfect time to plug pi in the big screen and play some choplifter
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[20:54] <Kriminel> o/
[20:54] <Kriminel> gordonDrogon let me know if you're around please
[20:55] <Kriminel> http://paste.debian.net/113315/ <- latest issue
[20:55] <Kriminel> trying to merge a bcm2835 library with wiringPi
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[20:57] <shiftplusone> Kriminel, heh.... good luck with that >_<
[20:58] <shiftplusone> but the error you pasted tells you exactly what the problem is
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[20:59] <shiftplusone> bcm2835 is plagiarised from wiringpi, so you'll find a lot of variable names are the same.
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[21:00] <shiftplusone> stranger still, the bcm2835 library changelog says that particular variable name was changed to prevent exactly that form happening, so I'm very confused about what you're doing.
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[21:03] <Kriminel> hm
[21:03] <Kriminel> maybe i got a package with an older revision?
[21:04] <Kriminel> this is what i'm trying to merge with wiringpi
[21:04] <Kriminel> ttp://rpi-rc522.googlecode.com/
[21:04] <Kriminel> http://rpi-rc522.googlecode.com/
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[21:07] * shiftplusone hands Kriminel a copy of K&R's The C Programming Language. Off you get then =D
[21:09] <Kriminel> haha thanks :D
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[22:01] <jrow> Hi folks o/
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[22:30] <jrow> Anyone using gentto on their pi? I'm having issues trying to emerge wpa_supplicant.
[22:31] <jrow> gentoo^
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[23:19] <gordonDrogon> evening.
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[23:35] <home> hey guys
[23:35] <home> how do people monitor power usage on their RPI? especially with the new B+ that I got
[23:36] <ppq> with multimeters ;)
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