#raspberrypi IRC Log


IRC Log for 2014-08-03

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[0:30] <abnormal> how do I uninstall Xchat?
[0:30] <ShorTie> is it in apt-get ??
[0:30] <abnormal> apt-get what?
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[0:31] * cccy_RegeaneWolf is now known as cccyRegeaneWolfe
[0:31] <ShorTie> you can search with 'apt-cache search xchat'
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[0:31] <abnormal> ok, I'll look
[0:32] <ShorTie> says it is, so 'apt-get install xchat' should work
[0:33] <abnormal> but that installs it... I want to UNinstall it
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[0:34] <ShorTie> oops, me miss read
[0:34] <abnormal> apt-get search didn't work
[0:34] <ShorTie> replace install with remove i believe
[0:34] <abnormal> ok thx, will try that...
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[0:35] <ShorTie> that isn't what i typed
[0:35] <ShorTie> it's 'apt-cache search xxxxxx' not apt-get
[0:35] <abnormal> working....
[0:36] <abnormal> sorry me bad
[0:36] <ShorTie> No Problem
[0:36] <abnormal> yeh it is.. me iliterate
[0:36] <ShorTie> oh, i do that stuff all the time
[0:37] <ShorTie> No biggie here
[0:37] <abnormal> ok.. I'll take ur word for it... lol
[0:37] <abnormal> now do I reboot?
[0:37] <home> hey guys
[0:37] <home> where can I find small raspbian images
[0:37] <home> with no desktop or anything
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[0:39] <ShorTie> reboot
[0:39] <ShorTie> there is a net-install out there home
[0:40] <ShorTie> basic raspbian install
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[0:41] <ShorTie> https://github.com/debian-pi/raspbian-ua-netinst/
[0:42] <home> ShorTie, how to use
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[0:42] <ShorTie> follow the README.md
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[0:43] <ShorTie> basically, it is just a copy files you put on the sdcard
[0:43] <ShorTie> boot it up and sit back and wait...
[0:44] <ShorTie> then after it reboots you finish the install
[0:44] <abnormal> ShorTie: is the pidgin bigger than the xchat files?
[0:44] <ShorTie> have No idea
[0:45] <abnormal> well gee whiz... I thot u know everything...
[0:45] <ShorTie> lol, far far from it
[0:46] <abnormal> oh come on... you know a lot more than I do...
[0:46] <ShorTie> if i knew hafe the stuff shiftplusone has forgotten, i'd be golden
[0:46] <abnormal> I c... how do I get in spotchat?
[0:47] <ShorTie> i only learn by playing
[0:47] <abnormal> ok then here I go....
[0:47] <ShorTie> sorry, never heard of it
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[0:50] <home> ShorTie, I am not on Linux
[0:50] <home> ShorTie, you have to help me
[0:50] <ShorTie> this is a win7 machine
[0:51] <ShorTie> i like just last week upgraded from xp
[0:51] <ShorTie> i'll try to help, about the best i can do
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[0:55] <home> so how do i use what you linked
[0:55] <home> on windows?
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[0:56] <ShorTie> download the zip file, extract the stuff and copy it to the sdcard
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[1:00] <home> ShorTie, okay
[1:00] <home> I will try that
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[1:00] <home> ShorTie, does the SD card have to be empty?
[1:01] <ShorTie> don't think so, i think it will over write
[1:02] <ShorTie> been awhile since i played with it
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[1:03] <home> i am confused
[1:04] <home> ill try it though
[1:04] <home> gotta format to fat32
[1:04] <ShorTie> not really
[1:05] <home> i confused
[1:05] <ShorTie> the boot partition is already fat
[1:05] * cccyRegeaneWolfe is now known as cccy_RegeaneWolf
[1:05] <ShorTie> the pi actually boot from a fat partition, then switches over to ext4
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[1:10] <abnormal> tried to apt-get install irc.spotchat.org.... it couldn't find it....
[1:10] <mfa298> abnormal: I think "apt-cache show <package>" will show you how large a package is. Although for a true comparison you may also need to compare any dependancies you also need to install
[1:10] <ShorTie> irc.spotchat.org is not valid for apt-get
[1:11] <lost_soul> abnormal: seriously?
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[1:11] <IT_Sean> that is, clearly, an IRC server.
[1:11] <lost_soul> abnormal: that is an irc server address, you put that in to an irc client
[1:11] <ShorTie> spotchat is not in apt-get, gonna have to build it from sources
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[1:12] <abnormal> lost_soul, yes, seriously... in pidgin AND xchat I cannot connect to spotchat... period....
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[1:13] <lost_soul> whats the benefit to build the spotchat package in comparison to just putting the address in a client
[1:13] <abnormal> looks like I have to trash this pi...
[1:13] <lost_soul> abnormal: haven't used spotchat in years.. seems strange to me that it would need a package, but okies.
[1:13] <abnormal> I put the addr in client, but it won't connect...
[1:14] <abnormal> I can get into spotchat in Mibbit...
[1:14] <IT_Sean> Worked for me, abnormal
[1:14] <abnormal> but not in xchat or pidgin
[1:14] <lost_soul> I'll try in pidgin, sec
[1:15] <IT_Sean> then you are clearly doing something wrong.
[1:15] <IT_Sean> I just did ti in irssi no problem.
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[1:15] <ShorTie> sure you got the port set right ??
[1:15] <abnormal> when I went to Barnes & Noble book store they connect ok...
[1:16] <abnormal> but here at home a no go..
[1:16] <lost_soul> works in pidgin
[1:16] <ShorTie> or your isp could have it blocked too...
[1:16] <lost_soul> abnormal: then it is an issue with your network or isp
[1:16] <mfa298> I get really useful content when I try going to the spotchat.org website: Parse error: syntax error, unexpected '<<
[1:16] <abnormal> but how do they block it?
[1:17] * wiiguy (~fake@unaffiliated/wiiguy) Quit (Quit: I just broke my connection, but no worries, we can rebuild it. We have the technology.)
[1:17] <abnormal> when I was in xchat it comes up with bad file descriptor...
[1:17] <mfa298> its easy enough to block destination IP addresses or ports at an ISP level on the routers
[1:17] <lost_soul> it isn't all that hard to block access to address or ports
[1:17] <ShorTie> just add a firewall rule
[1:18] <abnormal> then how do I unblock it?
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[1:18] <mfa298> If the ISP has blocked it the only way to unblock it is change to a different ISP
[1:18] <lost_soul> abnormal: try this telnet irc.spotchat.org 6667
[1:18] <abnormal> really?
[1:18] <ShorTie> call them and ask if it is and if they will un-block it is about all you can do
[1:18] <mfa298> but make sure you've not made a mistake first with configuring the client.
[1:18] <lost_soul> see if it shows anything
[1:19] <abnormal> lost soul do I do it in terminal?
[1:19] <lost_soul> abnormal: yes
[1:19] <abnormal> ok just a min...
[1:20] <ShorTie> bash: telnet: command not found, hehe
[1:20] <ShorTie> might have to install telnet
[1:20] <mfa298> on the latest rasbian you might need to do: sudo apt-get install telnet
[1:20] <lost_soul> some might need to, yes... it was in debian so I neglected to mention that
[1:21] <mfa298> what OS would ship with telnet not installed by default :S, apart from recent windows versions that is :(
[1:21] <lost_soul> mfa298: I can somewhat see it on an install that is supposed to be tiny
[1:21] <mfa298> it's one of the most useful network diagnostic tools out there
[1:21] <lost_soul> after all how often do people use telnet these days
[1:22] <mfa298> I'm not sure I'd call an install that starts off > 2G tiny.
[1:22] <lost_soul> LOL
[1:22] <lost_soul> I did say supposed to be tiny, never that it actually is :P
[1:22] <mfa298> well that's at least the 3rd time I've used telnet this week to test something - but then I'm not a regular user.
[1:23] <abnormal> working... "trying
[1:23] <lost_soul> abnormal: does it come up saying connected to irc.spotchat.org
[1:23] <lost_soul> third line or so
[1:23] <abnormal> not yet
[1:24] <lost_soul> it isn't going to work then I'm guessing
[1:24] <abnormal> just don't work
[1:24] <lost_soul> so you have something blocking it on your network.. or your isp is
[1:24] <abnormal> so what do I do???
[1:24] <lost_soul> try changing the port to 80
[1:24] <abnormal> now it's trying the other addr
[1:24] <lost_soul> see if that works
[1:24] <abnormal> how do I do that?
[1:25] <lost_soul> just change the 6667 with 80
[1:25] <ShorTie> fade back 10 and punt
[1:25] <lost_soul> er, replace
[1:25] <abnormal> ok.. I'll try it...
[1:25] <Fudge> to see if this audio blurry sound is because of my 3 pole audio should I plug in a 4 pole plug into the stereo?
[1:27] <abnormal> same result
[1:27] <abnormal> so, how come I can get into it in Mibbit?
[1:27] <lost_soul> abnormal: how is it you're connected to irc with this nickname? Just curious.
[1:28] <abnormal> wmsundell
[1:28] <abnormal> then the pw
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[1:28] <lost_soul> abnormal: no, I'm wondering if you are connected through a web interface... or how
[1:29] <mfa298> abnormal: from memory mibbit is a web based IRC client so the actual connection to IRC is from the server running mibbit not from your internet connection
[1:29] <abnormal> that's what I put in in Mibbit b4 I discovered xchat
[1:29] <lost_soul> ah
[1:29] <Fudge> abnormal: what are you trying to do
[1:29] <abnormal> connect to spot chat
[1:29] <lost_soul> abnormal: if port 80 isn't going with telnet... try ping irc.spotchat.org
[1:30] <abnormal> ok
[1:30] <Fudge> what is their ssl port
[1:30] <Fudge> if someone connected can look at the /motd it should list the ports
[1:30] <lost_soul> prolly 6669, isn't that the standard?
[1:31] <Fudge> 6697 is common
[1:31] <Fudge> port 80 wont help you though, irc client does not connect to a website
[1:31] <lost_soul> Fudge: 6667 is non ssl
[1:31] <Fudge> yep
[1:31] <abnormal> it's pinging
[1:31] <lost_soul> he wants ssl
[1:31] <lost_soul> abnormal: ctrl c to stop it
[1:31] <Fudge> try 6697 or 7000
[1:32] <Fudge> is it irc.spotchat.org?
[1:32] <lost_soul> Fudge: yes
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[1:32] <abnormal> done
[1:32] <abnormal> so it pinged ok?
[1:32] <lost_soul> abnormal: we're going to try to get you connected using ssl
[1:32] <abnormal> ok
[1:32] <lost_soul> abnormal: if you got responses, yes
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[1:33] <Fudge> google just told me 6697 is their ssl port
[1:33] <abnormal> that's what I have been using...
[1:33] <Fudge> which irc client?
[1:33] <abnormal> spotchat
[1:34] <abnormal> was in xchat and now in pidgin...
[1:34] <lost_soul> Fudge: xchat he uses
[1:34] <Fudge> is it on their website?
[1:34] <Fudge> oh right :D
[1:34] <Fudge> isnt there atickbox for ssl on xchat then?
[1:34] <abnormal> was...
[1:34] <mfa298> google also says 9997 for unencrypted to spotchat
[1:34] <abnormal> oh?
[1:35] <lost_soul> it connected for me using 6667
[1:35] <abnormal> or is it 6667???
[1:35] <lost_soul> trying with ssl now on 6697
[1:35] <Fudge> try another server on another network to see if it is your client or maybe not all the servers on spotchat roundrobin have that ssl port open, talk to an ircop to see which server you can connect to directly or if someone is already on one with ssl what hostname are they connected to, try that one
[1:35] <abnormal> pencilandpaper is on 6697
[1:35] <mfa298> unencrypted on 6667 and 9997 ssl on 6697
[1:35] <lost_soul> abnormal thus far 6667 for non encrypted works and 6697 works with ssl
[1:36] <lost_soul> both verified with pidgin
[1:36] <mfa298> you can also use the names irc.na.spotchat.org and irc.eu.spotchat.org
[1:36] <lost_soul> I don't have xchat installed so can't muck about with that
[1:36] <Fudge> ok my audio i used a four pole adapter to a 3 way rca female cord suitable for av inputs
[1:36] <abnormal> I can get on this and OFTC but not on spotchat
[1:37] <lost_soul> in pidgin to do ssh you have to fill out the first screen with the username and irc server, then click on advanced to tell it to use ssl and which port
[1:37] <Fudge> i plugged a computer speaker i wasnt using into the audio and had sound, but it is still blurry. should I try and recrod it to show people?
[1:37] <lost_soul> ssl, not ssh... sorry
[1:37] <abnormal> ok
[1:37] <abnormal> just a min...
[1:38] <lost_soul> this is a lot of work to get to such a small irc server... do you like the ubuntu channel THAT much :p
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[1:39] <abnormal> well pidgin knocked out spotchat so I don't know how to regain it...
[1:39] <lost_soul> abnormal: accounts menu, manage accounts
[1:39] <Fudge> lost_soul: didnt you say you were connected there, what was the hotname of that paper server you mentioned?
[1:39] <lost_soul> click the connection then click the modify button
[1:40] <lost_soul> after you are done making changes to settings uncheck the little box to the left (if it is even checked) and then put a check back in to connect
[1:41] <lost_soul> Fudge: when I tested it the connection was to lamia.ca.SpotChat.org
[1:41] <abnormal> I don't see accounts menu, only conversation, options, and send to is dim...
[1:41] <lost_soul> Fudge: but I only wrote irc.spotchat.org
[1:41] <lost_soul> it just picked the server to use
[1:41] <lost_soul> abnormal: it's in pidgin
[1:42] <lost_soul> towards the top, buddies, accounts, tools, help
[1:42] <abnormal> I have to right click on icon?
[1:42] <lost_soul> abnormal: give me a sec to find a screenshot for you
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[1:42] <lost_soul> abnormal: http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Pidgin_screenshot.png
[1:43] <lost_soul> abnormal: see right above the contacts.. the menu bar?
[1:43] <abnormal> yes
[1:43] <lost_soul> now find that menu bar on yours
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[1:44] * Holden (~holden@unaffiliated/holdenc) Quit (Quit: Ex-Chat)
[1:44] <abnormal> I think I closed the buddy window..
[1:44] <lost_soul> then open it back up
[1:44] <abnormal> how
[1:45] <lost_soul> it should have minimized to the tray or taskbar
[1:45] <abnormal> lol I don't see it
[1:45] <lost_soul> or did you close it out completely
[1:45] <abnormal> yes
[1:45] <lost_soul> abnormal: open a terminal and type pkill -9 pidgin
[1:45] <lost_soul> then run it again
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[1:46] <lost_soul> lol, guess he may not have been using a web based irc client
[1:46] <lost_soul> :\
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[1:47] <Boohbah> any ARM development boards with wifi included in their SoC?
[1:48] <abnormal> back still no buddy list
[1:48] <lost_soul> what window manager are you using
[1:48] <abnormal> don't understand...
[1:49] <lost_soul> okay, are you using raspbian?
[1:49] <abnormal> Raspbian???
[1:49] <abnormal> yes
[1:49] <lost_soul> okay, raspbian is the distribution.. let me see what window manager that uses... I think lxde
[1:49] <abnormal> upgraded and updated til it vomited...
[1:50] <abnormal> yes, it's lxde
[1:50] <lost_soul> okay, that is your window manager (next time someone asks)
[1:50] <abnormal> ok yes sir...
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[1:50] <lost_soul> abnormal: on the desktop try and middle click... or click the wheel down
[1:51] <abnormal> how do I stop the ppl msgs that join/leave?
[1:51] <lost_soul> does that give you a menu
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[1:51] <Datalink> Boohbah, not on SoC but there's the PCduino with several revisions, rev 2 and 3 both have wifi options
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[1:51] <lost_soul> abnormal: deal with that after this is sorted... it's best to stick to one thing at a time
[1:51] <abnormal> yes it does
[1:51] <abnormal> ok
[1:51] <lost_soul> abnormal: does pidgin show up there
[1:53] <lost_soul> abnormal: I forgot to ask.. when I told you before to do pkill -9 pidgin your name exited irc... I was under the impression you were connected through some web interface but you vanishing makes me think you are connected to freenode using pidgin?
[1:53] <abnormal> not that I know of, just raspberrypi and window 2 is go to
[1:53] * lupinedk is now known as Lupinedk
[1:53] <abnormal> yes
[1:54] <lost_soul> abnormal: do you know how to take a screenshot with raspbian?
[1:54] <abnormal> I am in pidgin using the freenode channel
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[1:54] <abnormal> I don't think I downloaded that app
[1:54] <lost_soul> well that tells me that your isp is not blocking access to irc
[1:55] <abnormal> I know how to use imager on my laptop but not on pi
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[1:55] <lost_soul> abnormal: in a terminal type pidgin and press enter
[1:56] <abnormal> ok
[1:56] <lost_soul> does that bring up the window for you
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[1:56] <lost_soul> it does for me when the program isn't on the screen
[1:56] <abnormal> ok the buddy window is up
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[1:57] <lost_soul> oh thank heavens
[1:57] <DJJeff> rpi is arm based yes?
[1:57] <abnormal> lol
[1:57] <IT_Sean> DJJeff ... ... ... Yes.
[1:57] <lost_soul> first thing I want you to do is go to preferences and in there place a checkmark in the box to show in system tray
[1:57] <lost_soul> we don't want you to lose it again
[1:57] <lost_soul> :p
[1:57] <DJJeff> I have ubuntu 64 bit desktop... how do I use gcc to CC to a armv4 binary ?
[1:58] <DJJeff> or is there a precompiled armv4l version of tcpdump already
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[1:59] <ShorTie> most likely be easier just to compile on the pi
[1:59] <abnormal> I don't see system tray...
[1:59] <DJJeff> ELF 32-bit LSB executable, ARM, EABI5 version 1 (SYSV)
[1:59] <DJJeff> this is armv6?
[2:00] <ShorTie> tcpdump is already in apt-get
[2:00] <DJJeff> ELF 32-bit LSB executable, ARM, version 1
[2:00] <lost_soul> abnormal: under the interface section.. very top
[2:00] <DJJeff> this is armv4?
[2:00] <lost_soul> show system tray icon with a drop down
[2:00] <DJJeff> im not sure what "EABI5" is
[2:00] <abnormal> ok it says Always
[2:00] <DJJeff> but this will not run on my device
[2:01] <lost_soul> abnormal: did it say that before, or did you change it?
[2:01] <abnormal> yes
[2:01] <lost_soul> abnormal: I asked two questions and you gave one very non-specific answer
[2:01] <lost_soul> :p
[2:01] <lost_soul> yes to did it say that before?
[2:02] <abnormal> you sound like arctictelecom... yes it said always before I clicked on it.
[2:02] <DJJeff> can someone with a rpi please apt-get tcpdump and tell me what happens when you do file tcpdump
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[2:03] <lost_soul> abnormal: okay, so apparently lxde doesn't have a system tray or it somehow isn't showing up for you. I have to get specific answers as I don't use lxde so without your answers I don't know the information I need to
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[2:04] <abnormal> ok
[2:04] <[Saint]> lxde definitely does have a system tray.
[2:04] <lost_soul> abnormal: now that the pidgin window is up, please middle click on the desktop and see if it shows
[2:04] <lost_soul> it should show on which ever desktop it is on
[2:04] <abnormal> ok just a min..
[2:04] <lost_soul> [Saint]: yea.. I think his vanished for some reason
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[2:05] <abnormal> yes it does show now...
[2:05] <lost_soul> it would be best if we could get a screenshot, but I don't know what software is on raspbian or what he's installed
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[2:05] <lost_soul> abnormal: great, so close out of the preferences window (if you haven't already) and go to the accounts menu
[2:05] <abnormal> I have Midori
[2:05] <[Saint]> and, afaik, the window manager should be openbox.
[2:06] <[Saint]> and lxde the ....de...unsurpringly.
[2:06] <abnormal> ok there...
[2:06] <[Saint]> (just mentioned that from a comment above)
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[2:07] <lost_soul> abnormal: okay, so verify the details of the spotchat irc connection, after having done that click on advanced and change to using ssl and to port 6697
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[2:07] <abnormal> ok
[2:07] <lost_soul> [Saint]: interesting, I always thought lxde was a manager by itself
[2:08] <lost_soul> I always just use plain vanilla openbox
[2:08] <[Saint]> Unless it changed fairly recently, I'm pretty sure Raspbian is using lxde+openbox
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[2:08] <lost_soul> [Saint]: okay, thanks for the info.. noted
[2:08] <abnormal> do I leave Authenticate with SASL active?
[2:09] <lost_soul> abnormal: you don't need that.. just the ssl
[2:09] <abnormal> ok
[2:09] <lost_soul> my main concern is getting you connected atm.. you can tweak the settings later if you like
[2:09] <abnormal> ok I saved it and it closed
[2:09] <lost_soul> abnormal: so you are back to the accounts screen
[2:10] <lost_soul> put a check in the box to the left of the account and it will try to open
[2:10] <abnormal> buddy list scn
[2:10] <lost_soul> er, try to connect
[2:10] <lost_soul> no, the accounts
[2:11] <lost_soul> abnormal: you did create a second irc account for spotchat, right? You will have one for freenode and one for spotchat
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[2:12] <abnormal> aww dang it was there and it disappearred...
[2:12] <abnormal> I have one for freenode and one for OFTC
[2:12] <DJJeff> http://archive.raspbian.org/raspbian/pool/main/t/tcpdump/
[2:13] <lost_soul> what is oftc?
[2:13] <DJJeff> these are for armv6
[2:13] <DJJeff> oftc is a IRC network
[2:13] <lost_soul> ah... interesting, but we were trying to connect to spotchat (weren't we)?
[2:13] <abnormal> when i clicked on buddie to connct to spotchat it disappeared...
[2:14] <abnormal> as soon as I clicked on the spotchat option to connect
[2:14] * [Saint] scrolls back...a lot...but SNR is pretty low...what's actually happening here?
[2:14] <abnormal> it went poof
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[2:15] <abnormal> yeh, saint, what's happening here?????
[2:15] <lost_soul> abnormal: something seems off.. you are losing your buddy list and connections are vanishing on you.. I'm kind of at a loss.
[2:16] <lost_soul> abnormal: I would just use irssi if I were you
[2:16] <abnormal> the buddy list is still here...
[2:16] <lost_soul> it isn't graphical, but it has other advantages
[2:16] <abnormal> ok, what is irssi?
[2:16] <lost_soul> abnormal: right, but you said the connection completely vanished
[2:16] <abnormal> pls educate me about irssi?
[2:16] <lost_soul> abnormal: try to make a new connection again.. see if it sticks this
[2:17] <abnormal> ok
[2:17] <lost_soul> irssi is a text based irc client
[2:17] <lost_soul> kind of like BitchX if you've ever heard of that
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[2:18] <Boohbah> irssi is under development!
[2:18] <Boohbah> after long dormant years
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[2:21] <abnormal> this is what I got when I tried to get into Chatroom in spotchat: mode (+ns ) by sendak.freenode.net
[2:21] <abnormal> mode (-o abnormal ) by services.
[2:21] <abnormal> sendak.freenode.net: (notice) *** Notice -- TS for #chatroom changed from 1407025173 to 1264038090
[2:21] <lost_soul> Boohbah: hopefully they don't take a great irc client and turn it in to rubbish
[2:22] <lost_soul> abnormal: so it connected to spotchat? The error you are getting trying to connect to a channel is freenode related
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[2:23] <Boohbah> lost_soul: well, 256 color support is finally merged
[2:23] <Boohbah> and development moved to github
[2:23] <abnormal> I noticed that and why it did that I do not know...
[2:23] <lost_soul> Boohbah: I'm not opposed to adding options and such, my main concern is that they don't bork a great package
[2:24] <lost_soul> abnormal: but did you get a response from spotchat saying you were connected and such
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[2:24] <lost_soul> abnormal: I don't use pidgin for irc so their might be something special about joining a channel when connected to multiple networks.. testing that now
[2:24] <DJJeff> does the rPi have a default root password?
[2:25] <ShorTie> nop
[2:25] <abnormal> lol... I clicked on buddies and join a chat, clicked on dropdown list and poof it gone again...
[2:27] <abnormal> possible bug on this router?? cuz I downloaded SimpleIde to run my quickstart board and it may have mesed it up...
[2:27] <lost_soul> abnormal: I'm not thinking so
[2:28] <abnormal> ok so should I quit chatting? cuz some one is messing with me...
[2:28] <[Saint]> DJJeff: that question can't be answered - there's a metric ass-load of different distributions.
[2:28] <[Saint]> Each with their own defaults.
[2:28] <DJJeff> np I got in with pi / raspberry
[2:28] <DJJeff> and did sudo su
[2:28] <lost_soul> abnormal: I don't understand what you mean
[2:28] <lost_soul> abnormal: and you didn't answer my question from a bit ago
[2:29] * [Saint] does the "this is what happens when you use <insert_weird_relatively_unkown_IRC_client_here> dance.
[2:29] <[Saint]> ;)
[2:30] <abnormal> well if I can't access spotchat then it's no sense me continuing... and no, I did not get a response saying I am connected...
[2:30] <[Saint]> y'know, I'm pretty sure they have a web client.
[2:30] <abnormal> in Mibbit
[2:31] <lost_soul> abnormal: what is the name of a channel on the spotchat network.. an open channel
[2:31] <lost_soul> I don't use that network and don't care to get a full list
[2:31] <DJJeff> so /usr/sbin/tcpdump: ELF 32-bit LSB shared object, ARM, version 1 (SYSV)
[2:31] <DJJeff> shares libpcap ?
[2:32] <DJJeff> I need /usr/sbin/tcpdump: ELF 32-bit LSB executable, ARM, version 1
[2:32] <abnormal> #chatroom, #linuxmint-chat, #linuxmint-help
[2:32] * [Saint] decides to check out spotchat's main page; gets error; laughs ass off; quits.
[2:32] <[Saint]> These guys can have their network...lol
[2:33] <lost_soul> abnormal: okay, it's a pain but it does work
[2:33] <lost_soul> [Saint]: yea.. the page isn't working for some reason
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[2:34] <abnormal> yes, it works in Mibbit or at Barnes & Noble
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[2:34] <[Saint]> also - yes. I can confirm the network is indeed up and functional.
[2:34] <[Saint]> using a sane client, of course.
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[2:35] <lost_soul> abnormal: it will work at your home too.. we've verified enough information so I can say that with quite a bit of certainty
[2:35] <lost_soul> abnormal: if you aren't opposed to ditching GUI applications for irc I would still suggest irssi
[2:35] <abnormal> yes it will only work at home thru a browser but not a chat app
[2:36] <lost_soul> one of the main benefits is once configured all you need to do is make a backup of the config and you're set
[2:36] <home> guys
[2:36] <home> how do I monitor power usage
[2:36] <home> on my RPI
[2:36] <lost_soul> abnormal: irc does work through a chat app.. you're connecting to freenode via pidgin
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[2:36] <[Saint]> if it works in a browser, it'll work in "chat app" too.
[2:36] <[Saint]> assuming no PEBCAK
[2:36] <abnormal> ok.. I need a break, lost_soul... brb
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[2:37] <home> hello
[2:37] <lost_soul> abnormal: kk
[2:40] <ShorTie> the only true way home is to cut your power cable and put a current meter inline
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[2:41] <home> ShorTie, example?
[2:41] <home> also software"?
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[2:42] <ShorTie> nop, No software, all hardware
[2:43] * abnormal back
[2:44] <abnormal> lost_soul, can you walk me thru irssi?
[2:44] <lost_soul> abnormal: on phone... nee a few
[2:45] <abnormal> ok
[2:47] <lost_soul> abnormal: okay.. first step is install irssi (of course)
[2:47] <lost_soul> then you need to edit the config file which is located in the home directory
[2:48] <abnormal> apt-get irssi?
[2:48] <lost_soul> actually the .irssi folder within the home directory
[2:48] <lost_soul> apt-get install irssi
[2:48] <abnormal> ok just a min...
[2:48] <[Saint]> irssi is a default debian package, no?
[2:48] <lost_soul> [Saint]: I have no idea if it is default on raspbian
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[2:49] <[Saint]> well, raspbian carries all debian's defaults IIRC.
[2:49] <lost_soul> I've really only use OE on my pi
[2:49] <[Saint]> its debian with raspberry-goodness.
[2:49] <[Saint]> well..."goodness"
[2:49] <[Saint]> (sometimes debateable)
[2:49] <lost_soul> lol
[2:50] <abnormal> ok done installing irssi
[2:51] <abnormal> how to open it?
[2:51] <lost_soul> abnormal: look in your users home directory for a .irssi directory
[2:51] <lost_soul> it is hidden so you may need to show hidden files and folders
[2:51] <lost_soul> in that should be a config file
[2:51] <lost_soul> irssi is the command to run it
[2:52] <lost_soul> in a terminal of course
[2:52] <abnormal> it opened in terminal
[2:53] <lost_soul> abnormal: have a look at this
[2:53] <lost_soul> http://irssi.org/beginner/
[2:53] <lost_soul> a few ways exist to configure irssi.. you can do so by sending it commands which is outlined on that page... or by editing the config file manually
[2:53] <abnormal> ok clicked on it...
[2:53] <lost_soul> if you edit the config file manually I highly suggest you create a backup of it prior to doing anything else
[2:54] <lost_soul> for now though.. lets attempt to connect you to spotchat
[2:54] <lost_soul> in the irssi window type /server irc.spotchat.org
[2:54] <lost_soul> to set your nickname do /nick mynicknamegoeshere
[2:55] <lost_soul> to join a channel do /j #linuxmint-chat
[2:56] <abnormal> ok I am lost... do I do this in terminal?
[2:56] <lost_soul> abnormal: you do this in the irssi window (which is running in a terminal)
[2:57] <abnormal> ok I'll try it... just a min...
[2:58] <abnormal> trying to connect to it...
[2:59] <lost_soul> it shouldn't be taking this long
[3:00] <abnormal> well it is still searching
[3:01] <IT_Sean> It shouldn't be, after this amount of time
[3:01] <lost_soul> how fast of a connection are you on
[3:01] <lost_soul> IT_Sean: LOL
[3:01] <lost_soul> nothing wrong with being persistant
[3:01] <abnormal> ok just a min...
[3:02] <lost_soul> but yes, this should have been resolved by now.. Feel free to take over at any time if you have suggestions.
[3:02] <abnormal> wlan0 Link encap:Ethernet HWaddr 00:e0:4c:15:0e:4b
[3:02] <abnormal> inet addr: Bcast: Mask:
[3:02] <abnormal> UP BROADCAST RUNNING MULTICAST MTU:1500 Metric:1
[3:02] <abnormal> RX packets:5756 errors:0 dropped:0 overruns:0 frame:0
[3:02] <abnormal> TX packets:2756 errors:0 dropped:0 overruns:0 carrier:0
[3:02] <abnormal> collisions:0 txqueuelen:1000
[3:02] <abnormal> RX bytes:2522234 (2.4 MiB) TX bytes:300938 (293.8 KiB)
[3:03] <abnormal> it timed out, unable to connect...
[3:03] <lost_soul> abnormal: normally you should refrain from posting large amounts of text to the channel.. use pastebin or what ever for that.. I meant the connection to your isp though.
[3:04] <lost_soul> can you try hardwired?
[3:05] <abnormal> no, cuz it wud knock everyone else of web if I use a router to talk to hotspot
[3:06] <lost_soul> abnormal: I need to head out for an hour or so to deal with a customer. If you haven't resolved the issue by the time I return we can pick this up then. I would leave irssi installed though as I think you will enjoy it once you learn it.
[3:06] <lost_soul> bbiab, sorry I have to leave you hanging for awhile
[3:06] <ShorTie> so the wifi has it's own internet connection, not thru that router ??
[3:06] <abnormal> it's a netgear router to ethernet wire if I use it and it does work better than anything else but no one else in house wud be able to use the web...
[3:07] <[Saint]> I...what?
[3:07] <ShorTie> and why would that be ??
[3:08] <abnormal> like if I connect cat 5 to pi and router then router talks to hotspot and is REAL fast but no one else in house can access hotspot...
[3:09] <abnormal> dunno why it does that but fam complained whenever I use the router...
[3:10] <[Saint]> It sounds to me like your home network is just screwed up.
[3:10] <[Saint]> We're unlikely to be able to fix anything that relies on that functioning, if it doesn't function properly.
[3:10] <abnormal> it's just a wireless hotspot...
[3:10] <[Saint]> and that is most certainly not the description of a functioning network.
[3:11] <[Saint]> you using a hotspot shouldn't wipe everyone else on the network off the map.
[3:11] <[Saint]> Address that issue first, I would think.
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[3:11] <[Saint]> That info would've been REAl handy an hour or so ago.
[3:11] <abnormal> I have an Ourlink USB dongle on the pi
[3:12] <abnormal> sorry
[3:12] <abnormal> I appologize
[3:13] <[Saint]> That's OK. I was listening. I should've asked, rather than assuming your home network was fully functional.
[3:13] <[Saint]> You did hint at a possibly problematic setup, but I didn't bite.
[3:14] <abnormal> so, what do you suggest I do now?
[3:15] <ShorTie> hook the wire up for a minute and try it that way
[3:15] <[Saint]> I have literally no idea. Because you'll almost certainly need to take the network down to fix it. And, if you do...no one can speak to you.
[3:16] <abnormal> well I can try to re-boot the hotspot...
[3:16] <ShorTie> could be something like a ping time out
[3:17] <abnormal> Ok, I am gunna log off and re-boot the hotspot... c u later and thank yo all for this..
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[3:35] <jkelsey> Hi all. I'm having a problem -- I'm ssh'd into my rasbpi via OS X Terminal. When I type the `|` pipe key, I get `ø` instead. I have locale to en_US.UTF-8 and I've run raspi-config several times. What am I missing?
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[3:38] <[Saint]> jkelsey: that sounds like the locale on the Mac itself is out of whack.
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[3:39] <[Saint]> ...possible DVORAK?
[3:40] <jkelsey> Qwerty
[3:41] <jkelsey> the mac's locale is US
[3:41] <jkelsey> I'm also having other strange encoding issues. I get this prompt when installing things w/ apt:
[3:42] <jkelsey> Do you want to continue ÆY/nÅ?
[3:42] <jkelsey> (Instead of "Do you want to continue (Y/n)?" )
[3:44] <jkelsey> I'm not sure it has anything to do with the Mac, TBH. I think I did something wrong during initial configuration.
[3:45] <[Saint]> Ahhhhhh...crap. I misread. Try jamming the pi on En-UK.
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[3:50] <jkelsey> Thanks, will try that.
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[3:53] <Datalink> jkelsey, does sound, to me, like your terminal is not using the same cge in mac term to fix those issues I had to change in mac term to fix those issues
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[4:02] <abnormal> well I am back... no change...
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[4:06] <[Saint]> I doubt we can assit you to get to the bottom of this until your hotspot setup stops wiping out everything else on the local network.
[4:06] <[Saint]> that's a pretty large clue that things here just 'aint right.
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[4:08] <abnormal> ok can you tell me how to stop the appear/ quit of ppl?
[4:08] <abnormal> I don't need to watch those...
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[4:09] <[Saint]> That's highly client dependent. A lot of clients don't even present this as a setting, because most users want to watch quits/joins/parts
[4:11] <abnormal> yeh I liked xchat better, it's user dependent and logical...
[4:12] <[Saint]> logical is subjective.
[4:12] <abnormal> ok....
[4:12] <abnormal> what ever you say...
[4:12] <[Saint]> one would be forgiven for thinking it highly illogical to not show users coming and going on a social apparatus.
[4:13] <abnormal> I will wait until I can get arctictelecom or pencilandpaper to help me with this...
[4:14] <[Saint]> Good luck with that.
[4:14] <[Saint]> Neither of them are here, and, you won't see them coming. ;)
[4:15] <[Saint]> I'm willing to put money on the fault lying at home, though. What you describe isn't conducive to a functional network.
[4:16] <abnormal> no, but I know where they are... talk to them quite often...
[4:16] <[Saint]> If you fire up a hotspot, you shouldn't be taking out everyone else on the network as you described.
[4:16] <[Saint]> I feel that is the root of the issue here.
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[4:19] <[Saint]> You can't talk to them too often.
[4:19] <[Saint]> One of them hasn't been seen in 2 days...
[4:25] <jkelsey> FYI: It was related to the OS X Terminal.app -- I changed the terminal declaration from 'xterm-256color' to 'rxvt' and I'm no longer having those issues with the character set.
[4:25] <jkelsey> Thanks for the help.
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[5:03] <Fudge> abnormal: try irssi
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[5:07] <Fudge> so you can get wifi/bluetooth controllers to go on the PI's board itself can you?
[5:08] <abnormal> I tried irssi
[5:08] <abnormal> I don't know how to use it...
[5:09] <[Saint]> You could try reading the logs.
[5:09] <abnormal> it's too greek to me...
[5:09] <[Saint]> It was explained.
[5:09] <[Saint]> The client isn't the problem here, though.
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[5:09] <abnormal> saint I am very illiterate... I don't even understand flipping english!!!
[5:10] <Fudge> oh ok [Saint] didnt realise
[5:12] <abnormal> I am talking to arctictelecom now about it... he's gunna try to see if he can fudge up the hotspot...
[5:14] <abnormal> I am still in pidgin.. yuk
[5:15] <abnormal> surprised that it takes so long for pidgin to load on the RPi...
[5:15] <[Saint]> I'm not.
[5:16] <[Saint]> ...its a cellphone from ~2008.
[5:16] <[Saint]> Trying to run a full debian distro.
[5:16] <[Saint]> Its not /terribly/ surprising.
[5:16] <abnormal> I have to use terminal to load the friggin buddy window...
[5:18] <abnormal> I can load the main window from lxde menu but the buddy window don't come up with it...
[5:18] <abnormal> I can't run full debian distro on a pi
[5:19] <[Saint]> What do you think Raspbian is?
[5:20] <abnormal> debian based distro, and is updated, upgraded and upeverthing else...
[5:20] <[Saint]> So...a full debian distro, then?
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[5:20] <abnormal> beats me, you tell me..
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[5:31] <Ryan_On_Mars> Hi guys I'm curiouse about overclocking my pi. I'm running Raspbian and it offers a few options. Which of these can I safely choose without additional hardware.
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[5:33] <[Saint]> All of them.
[5:33] <[Saint]> No overclocking option requires additional hardware.
[5:33] <[Saint]> The SoC is self limiting.
[5:34] <[Saint]> In the event you push it too hard, the worst that's going to happen is it'll power itself down.
[5:34] <Ryan_On_Mars> Is it safe to choose the Turbo option then?
[5:34] <[Saint]> (and, almost certainly trash the filesytem, but, hey...)
[5:34] <[Saint]> If it wasn't safe, it wouldn't be presented to you as an option.
[5:35] <[Saint]> This is an educational distro shipped to millions.
[5:35] <Ryan_On_Mars> I just got my first pi in the mail this morning so Im a bit new to this
[5:35] <[Saint]> It won't have a "destro things" setting. :)
[5:35] <[Saint]> *destroy
[5:35] <[Saint]> Aha. Right.
[5:35] <[Saint]> Well - yes. Its all perfectly safe.
[5:36] <[Saint]> There's absolutely zero guarantee it'll run at an elevated clock speed with any stability, though.
[5:36] <Ryan_On_Mars> what are some of the issues that could come from this?
[5:37] <[Saint]> The primary issue is filesystem corruption.
[5:38] <Ryan_On_Mars> also are there any monitoring programs you would recomend to help prevent overheating
[5:38] <[Saint]> There's no need to do so.
[5:38] <[Saint]> So, no.
[5:38] <[Saint]> The SoC is self limiting, if it ever gets anywhere enar an unsafe temperature it'll first limit the clock speed, and secondly power down if it still overheats.
[5:39] <Ryan_On_Mars> oh cool. I did not know that
[5:39] <[Saint]> And that temperature is WELL within acceptable limits still.
[5:39] <[Saint]> It'll feel hot to you, it'll probably feel very hot to you, but it can safely reach 85C.
[5:40] <[Saint]> (50C is "Ouch!" hot for a human)
[5:40] <Ryan_On_Mars> My first project with this is to try to set up the pi to veiw videos on youtube and other sites. I've heard of others doing this and thought it would be a better option than running an HDMI cord from my computer to the family room.
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[5:42] <[Saint]> FWIW - your PC, even if it is multiple years old and wasn't very good to begin with, is likely many orders of magnitude more capable of such a task.
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[5:44] <Ryan_On_Mars> unfortunatly I only have the one computer that I am taking to college come august. I saw a few videos of people watching videos on their pi and thought I'd try this option
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[5:48] <Ryan_On_Mars> hoping to leave this so my parents can watch youtube and other videos at home
[5:48] <[Saint]> I'm not sure of a good youtube solution that doesn't also involve downloading (not buffering) the entire video first.
[5:49] <[Saint]> and I'm not personally aware of any implementation thereof that isn't commandline only.
[5:49] <[Saint]> ...though, one or several may exist.
[5:51] <Ryan_On_Mars> looking around just now, I found a script that claims to work. http://stevenhickson.blogspot.com/2013/06/playing-youtube-videos-in-browser-on.html
[5:51] <Ryan_On_Mars> any expirence with that?
[5:52] <Ryan_On_Mars> it says it uses omxplayer. Is that preinstalled on the pi?
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[5:52] <Fudge> yes
[5:53] <Ryan_On_Mars> great
[5:53] <Ryan_On_Mars> I'm installing the script now I'll let you know how it goes.
[5:53] <[Saint]> How certain are you that your parents/siblings/whoever are going to be comfortable with a CLI implementation?
[5:54] <Fudge> run learning curve Ryan_On_Mars
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[5:54] <Fudge> run=fun
[5:54] <[Saint]> There's no need to install any scripts or voodoo off the infowebs for this, point omxplayer at youtube-dl
[5:54] <[Saint]> I'd almost put money on that being exactly what said script is doing.
[5:55] <Fudge> youtube-dl is pretty nice, you just dont get it live, also limit buffering from bandwidth
[5:57] <Ryan_On_Mars> is tht just youtube-dl -g and then the url?
[5:59] <[Saint]> You can just do "omxplayer $(youtube-dl -g URL_HERE) iirc.
[5:59] * [Saint] throws another quotation mark up there somewhere.
[6:00] <[Saint]> ...are the people using this *really* going to be cool with using a CLI implementation here, though?
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[6:00] <[Saint]> I'd have my doubts.
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[6:00] <Ryan_On_Mars> there fast enough learners if I can figure this out my self and teach them
[6:01] <[Saint]> Buy them a Chromecast instead. :)
[6:01] <[Saint]> Then they can use one of the likely several Android devices lying around.
[6:02] <[Saint]> Cost vs. effort, with Average Joe taken as the consumer, I don't see this getting used terribly often.
[6:02] <[Saint]> Watching video isn't supposed to flow this way.
[6:03] <[Saint]> "You mean, I have to find the video I want to watch, copy the URL, paste it in here...then do <blah>" etc.
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[6:05] <[Saint]> The immediate downside I see here is this offers no means of discovery.
[6:05] <[Saint]> You'll need to hand off to some alternate service or web page to first discover what it is you wan tto watch.
[6:05] <[Saint]> (...jus' sayin')
[6:06] <Fudge> true
[6:06] <Fudge> how bout an old school game console
[6:07] <Ryan_On_Mars> is youtube-dl packaged with raspbian? I keep getting command not found
[6:07] <Fudge> apt-cache search youtube
[6:08] * [Saint] is gonna guess no
[6:09] <[Saint]> Fudge: that's actually a fairly decent idea.
[6:09] <DanDare> I can find 'youtube-dl' on apt. But probably need to add 'non-free' in sources.list
[6:09] <DanDare> or contrib ...
[6:10] <[Saint]> Xbox (what do they cost now? like...$20~$30 bucks says my local Buy/Sell/Exchange)+ Xebian.
[6:10] <[Saint]> And, bam, cheap media box.
[6:10] <DanDare> oh well, maybe its by default on raspbian, im not sure
[6:10] <[Saint]> (that isn't awful)
[6:10] <Ryan_On_Mars> idk xbox has a terrible UI for youtube and othere sites like daily show etc are not offered
[6:11] <[Saint]> Xebian would fix that. You're not using their native UI.
[6:11] <[Saint]> (its a debian distro for Xbox)
[6:11] <[Saint]> It has a lot of quirks, though.
[6:11] <DanDare> what actual youtube video format? it was flv (flash) in the past
[6:12] <[Saint]> DanDare: it is still in some locales, no?
[6:12] <DanDare> I dont know...
[6:12] <[Saint]> The HTML5 transition isn't complete afaik.
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[6:13] <Ryan_On_Mars> I do have an old xbox 360 lying around.
[6:13] <[Saint]> If there's Android devices with a modern operating system in the vacinity...I'd get a Chromecast.
[6:13] * [Saint] loves his Chromecast...es?
[6:13] <[Saint]> Chromecasts? Chromecastii?
[6:14] <[Saint]> " 'dem video thingies"
[6:14] <DanDare> i have some downloaded videos from youtube, its mp4 format. And when i downloaded i think the downloader plugin didn't any transcode
[6:14] <Ryan_On_Mars> doesn't chromecast have monthly subscription though?
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[6:15] <[Saint]> Only for "All Access" stuff.
[6:15] <pksato> rpi and yt https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1L5GCmXgHK8
[6:18] <[Saint]> Apparently I should check out XBMC again.
[6:18] <[Saint]> It looks decidedly non-shit now.
[6:21] <DanDare> and, it plays youtube out of the box ?
[6:21] <[Saint]> Not /quite/.
[6:22] <[Saint]> Mostly.
[6:22] <DanDare> ok
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[6:25] <DanDare> Now I want to try it, but believe it or not I dont have a USB keyboard
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[6:26] <DanDare> Whats the base OS of Raspbmc? also linux?
[6:26] <[Saint]> Why should that matter?
[6:27] <[Saint]> keyboard - not OS.
[6:27] <DanDare> [Saint], to navigate, do searches. But well, i can try it with just a mouse
[6:27] <DanDare> not OS? How come?
[6:27] <[Saint]> Oh. I took it too literally. You specifically mentioned USb, so I thought you were differentiating.
[6:28] <DanDare> :D
[6:28] <DanDare> Nah, sorry. Just me with too much questions
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[6:30] <DanDare> anyway, just downloading it
[6:30] <pksato> have a many ways to control XBMC. remote control of TV, a android device, etc
[6:31] <DanDare> cool, im interested doing it from android. How its done? a VNC server ?
[6:32] <[Saint]> Android remote app.
[6:32] <[Saint]> There's about 17 bajillion of them.
[6:32] <[Saint]> (give or take maybe...3)
[6:33] <DanDare> but how it connects phone/tablet to the pi? normally over the LAN?
[6:33] <pksato> http://wiki.xbmc.org/index.php?title=Remote_controls
[6:33] <[Saint]> yes. Its either going to need to be on the same local network or have a hole punched through the NAT table, or port forwarding, etc.
[6:33] <DanDare> many thanks pksato, awesome
[6:34] <DanDare> ok
[6:34] <[Saint]> you're pretty unlikely to want to control your media box from outside your local network, though.
[6:34] <[Saint]> Kinda defeats the purpose if you're not there. :)
[6:34] <DanDare> very true
[6:34] <DanDare> yeah
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[6:46] * [Saint] giggles.
[6:46] <[Saint]> That an unreasonably cute IRC handle.
[6:46] <[Saint]> *that's
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[6:58] <Jeebiss> Hey guys, anyone around?
[6:59] <Jeebiss> I'm trying to figure out how I would use my pi to essentially take my wifi connection and let me connect to it via the Ethernet port.
[6:59] <Jeebiss> I'm not sure what he proper term is in this case.
[7:00] <steve_rox> might be handy to avoid expensive xbox wifi adapters
[7:00] <steve_rox> as one possible senario
[7:01] <steve_rox> http://jacobsalmela.com/raspberry-pi-and-routing-turning-a-pi-into-a-router/
[7:01] <steve_rox> nearest think i have
[7:05] <Jeebiss> steve_rox: wrong direction, I want to connect the pi via Wi-Fi and then share that connection to the Ethernet port.
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[7:09] <tomflint> Jeebiss, are you on raspbian already?
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[7:11] <tomflint> http://www.glennklockwood.com/sa/rpi-wifi-bridge.php might be helpful.
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[7:13] <Jeebiss> tomflint: good call, I'll give that a whirl.
[7:13] <tomflint> Hope it helps. :)
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[7:15] <DanDare> I just installed raspbmc. in the cmdline.txt i see "arm_freq=850
[7:15] <DanDare> core_freq=375
[7:15] <DanDare> force_turbo=1". So, confirming this, raspbmc is overclocking the ARM?
[7:16] <DanDare> sorry, damn ctrl+v
[7:16] <tomflint> the config.txt is there regardless of the software you run.
[7:17] <tomflint> In the config.txt you'll see a table of values that are safe to use --
[7:17] <DanDare> tomflint, I know. What arm_freq=850 in cmdline.txt means then?
[7:17] <DanDare> what it does?
[7:18] <tomflint> that's the processor speed.
[7:19] <tomflint> http://elinux.org/RPiconfig#Overclocking_options has detailed information.
[7:20] <DanDare> tomflint, thats what I asked, so in simple: the fresh raspbmc install overclocks pi ?
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[7:20] <DanDare> just asking for confirmation :)
[7:20] <DanDare> because it looks strange
[7:20] <[Saint]> it seems it does. yes.
[7:20] <DanDare> ok, thanks
[7:21] <DanDare> well, i dont like it. And I think its very intrusive, by not even telling people that it just overclocks
[7:22] <tomflint> The overclock settings detailed in the config.txt file are approved from rpi themselves though
[7:22] <DanDare> at some point i read "overclocking may reduce raspberry pi lifetime" "may avoid warranty" etc
[7:22] <tomflint> so yeah, maybe they shouldn't do it by default -- but you can go higher than that.
[7:22] <DanDare> alright them :)
[7:22] <DanDare> yeah I know, like 1GHz
[7:23] <tomflint> I run my three pis at 1000, 500, 500, 6 without any issues.
[7:24] <tomflint> that's also the maximum it will go unless you do force_turbo=1 -- so it won't run at 1ghz the entire time, only when it needs it.
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[7:24] <DanDare> well, in the long run... it will die prematurely (probably)
[7:24] <DanDare> I see
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[7:25] <DanDare> hmmm, in the raspbmc install, cmdline.txt also includes "
[7:25] <DanDare> force_turbo=1". It means that it can go even higher than 850 if "need"? Or 850 will be the maximum allowed?
[7:25] <tomflint> with raspbmc especially, you won't see crazy temps with overclocking.
[7:26] <DanDare> Thats a good thing.
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[7:26] <tomflint> by default its 'on demand' processor -- it's the best setting for it.
[7:26] <DanDare> ok
[7:27] <tomflint> are you running raspbmc off an SD card or USB stick?
[7:27] <DanDare> sorry for so much questions but: with "arm_freq=850" and "
[7:27] <DanDare> force_turbo=1" it may run at lower speed than 850 if processor is most idle for example?
[7:27] <[Saint]> DanDare: force turbo just means "never clock down" even if idle.
[7:28] <DanDare> tomflint, just flashed it to a SD card, didnt put it to work yet
[7:28] <[Saint]> as in, it'll always run at the highest clock assigned.
[7:28] <DanDare> ok [Saint], thank you
[7:28] <tomflint> well said, [Saint].
[7:28] <DanDare> so better change that to force_turbo=0 then, from a more secure point of view
[7:29] <tomflint> yeah.
[7:29] <[Saint]> secure in what way?
[7:29] <tomflint> but don't be afraid to overclock to the 'Super' settings.
[7:29] <[Saint]> its a pi...its wildly insecure by design. ;)
[7:30] <DanDare> [Saint], keep processor working under specs
[7:30] <DanDare> thats what specs are for
[7:30] <DanDare> hahaha ok
[7:30] <[Saint]> this is within spec...
[7:30] <DanDare> oh, so people call it "overclock" in a wrong manner I guess. Just power management then
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[7:32] <DanDare> usually, overclock means pushing it out from specs to get something that the hardware wasnt meant to do
[7:32] <DanDare> at least in my head its the concept I have :p
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[7:33] <Mr_Sheesh> Sometimes the specs are silly (Original IBM ATs for example, some could be overclocked quite a lot) but modern specs are more accurate usually :)
[7:34] <geordie> wikipedia has a good overview: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Overclocking
[7:34] <[Saint]> The reason this is even present and allowable in the first place is that they're confident to a reasonably high degree that the SoC is capable of sustaining it.
[7:34] <DanDare> Mr_Sheesh, the "turbo" switch was a funny thing.. :)
[7:35] <DanDare> [Saint], if manufacturer says its good.. so I follow
[7:35] <[Saint]> So many people didn't really understand what that button did.
[7:35] <Mr_Sheesh> For some games it helped (if the game was designed to run at 4.77 MHz and your PC clone was at 7.14 MHz for example LOL)
[7:35] <DanDare> heh
[7:35] <[Saint]> Right. But people thought it was the "make computer go faster" button.
[7:36] <[Saint]> <facepalm>
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[7:36] <DanDare> or the math co-processor, that made more difference than the turbo button
[7:36] <Mr_Sheesh> to an extent it was, for some PARTS of the computer
[7:36] <[Saint]> It was largely a "make things slower" button.
[7:36] <Mr_Sheesh> CP/M computers, some had the clock as an RC oscillator, turn a potentiometer to desired speed LOL
[7:37] <DanDare> Mr_Sheesh, sweet
[7:37] <Mr_Sheesh> Speed depended on wait states, HDD interleave, how good or crappy your hdd controller was, lots of things
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[7:56] <DanDare> man, how I love this. Official XBMC Remote needs access to my contacts agenda, photos and bunch more of unrelated and personal information
[7:57] <DanDare> its a brave new world
[7:57] <tomflint> are you on Android?
[7:57] <DanDare> yeah
[7:57] <tomflint> Check out Yatse -- It's a better remote
[7:57] <[Saint]> Privacy Controls ftw.
[7:58] <DanDare> oh, many thanks for the tip. I will check it. Will be happy if it doent need my personal information to work also
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[7:59] <[Saint]> I just use Settings - App Privacy (seems I had the naming wrong) in AOSPA.
[7:59] <tomflint> like [Saint] mentioned, Privacy Controls are great.
[7:59] <DanDare> I dont have anything i would care too much in my phone. Bu I think its very unfair to people added in my agenda to be impacted by stuff i do on my phone. Its very annoying
[8:00] <[Saint]> not all apps will run if they have privs denied, though.
[8:00] <DanDare> Privacy Controls is some Android app ?
[8:00] <DanDare> I have a firewall installed. So for programs that dont need network at all = totally blocked (at least its what i think)
[8:00] <[Saint]> Its actually a part of AOSP that Google decided to block off to Joe User.
[8:00] <DanDare> *hope
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[8:01] <DanDare> I see, will take a look on that
[8:01] <[Saint]> 4.2+ iirc.
[8:01] <[Saint]> perhaps 4.1, I don't recall.
[8:01] <[Saint]> seems like ages ago now.
[8:02] <DanDare> i had to downgrade my android version, crossflashing some firmware from another model to get my GPS working properly
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[8:03] <DanDare> so what I have now is 4.1.2
[8:03] <[Saint]> On <insert_obscure_device_here>?
[8:04] <DanDare> no, its a Sony Xperia
[8:04] <DanDare> but the GPS bug cames from own google's android
[8:04] <[Saint]> My condolences.
[8:04] <DanDare> yeah
[8:05] <DanDare> i dont know what to do. I hate android and Apple all together :p
[8:05] <[Saint]> You probably hate Android because you've not had an experience that didn't involve a vendor crapping all over the firmware.
[8:06] <DanDare> you decide how to pay them: with lot of money or with your own soul :p
[8:06] <DanDare> maybe
[8:06] <[Saint]> AOSP on a Nexus is an entirely different beast.
[8:06] <DanDare> i hate how they releases new versions, leaving old bugs there and inserting new ones, in a complete non-sense fashion
[8:06] <DanDare> Ok, maybe im not doing it right then
[8:08] <[Saint]> Sony took a fat dump on the Android UI.
[8:08] <[Saint]> Like so many before, and after them.
[8:08] <DanDare> as always Sony does
[8:08] <DanDare> but Sony is good hardware, at least i had luck with everything Sony i bought
[8:09] <[Saint]> the rumor mill says Samsung is working on a new flagship that isn't plastic.
[8:09] <[Saint]> I know. I'm as shocked as the next guy.
[8:10] <[Saint]> http://www.androidpolice.com/2014/07/31/samsung-tells-its-investors-a-phone-with-new-materials-is-coming-in-the-next-6-months/
[8:10] <DanDare> sorry, language gap here. Im not sure what flagship means in your sentence
[8:10] <DanDare> maybe "not plastic case" ?
[8:10] <DanDare> ah ok
[8:11] <DanDare> they should use wood imo :P
[8:11] <[Saint]> Errr, a flagship device is...umm. How do I put it.
[8:11] <[Saint]> "the latest new shiny thing"
[8:11] <DanDare> I see, thanks for explaining it
[8:12] <[Saint]> The face of the company, essentially. Their statement.
[8:12] <[Saint]> Them saying "this is how it should be, this is it. Now."
[8:12] <DanDare> got it...
[8:12] <DanDare> a new sensation :p
[8:13] <DanDare> wow, raspbmc still doing dozens of restarts
[8:14] <[Saint]> I've always been a Samsung and Nexus fan, but the Samsung devices have this feeling of extreme cheapness about them that doesn't sit well with their price tag.
[8:14] <DanDare> Agreed about the Samsung statement
[8:14] <[Saint]> thin case backings that explode and eject the battery when dropped from a tiny height...
[8:15] <[Saint]> feel like you're going to tear it apart getting the battery or SIM out.
[8:15] <DanDare> Yeah, my daughter got a Samsung
[8:15] <DanDare> had to replace the screen for her already
[8:15] <DanDare> her fault anyway
[8:16] <[Saint]> The amount of S2 screens/digitizers I have replaced is too damn high!
[8:16] <DanDare> but... screen is very exposed on her model. like if it was really made to break even on minor drops
[8:16] <[Saint]> what is it?
[8:16] <DanDare> damn, let me check
[8:17] <DanDare> galaxy fame
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[8:18] <DanDare> there are maybe a bunch of different "fame" versions, but i cant check the exact model number
[8:18] <DanDare> *atm
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[8:19] <DanDare> on this model, the glass cover not just the actual touchscreen but the whole front of the phone
[8:19] <DanDare> so any impact on the borders will start a crack
[8:19] <[Saint]> this, and, every samsung phone for the past...years.
[8:19] <DanDare> *any huge enough impact
[8:20] <DanDare> that have a clear proposal
[8:20] <DanDare> just programmed obsolescence
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[8:21] <[Saint]> Oh. Not necessarily. This was obselete before it was even manufactured.
[8:21] <[Saint]> Its sold to that market.
[8:21] <DanDare> hahah
[8:21] <[Saint]> The fact that they crammed 4.1 on it is just hilarious.
[8:22] <DanDare> why? you mean, by being a old version ?
[8:22] <[Saint]> 512 RAM, at least 128 of that is going to be reserved for system I'll bet.
[8:22] <[Saint]> it'll *crawl*.
[8:22] <DanDare> I see
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[8:23] <DanDare> raspbmc still on the restarts. Good they inform to you just relax though
[8:23] <DanDare> i will make a sd card dump after this install
[8:24] <[Saint]> It wasn't until KitKat that Android started running comfortably in havily constricted environments.
[8:24] <[Saint]> I'm deeply surprised Samsung didn't just put Gingerbread on this thing and call it a day.
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[8:25] <DanDare> man, its insane. Each new android version it gets harder for processor to do the exact same things
[8:26] <DanDare> android update - throw old device away - buy new - update - throw away - buy new - ad infinitum
[8:26] <[Saint]> The funny thing is that modern Android versions potentially open the door for older devices, but those devices don't have enough spcae in their partitions to run the newer versions. :)
[8:27] <[Saint]> lots of those older midrange devices have fixed partition sizing.
[8:27] <DanDare> naturally... whats shocking is the speed of it. no real technological reasons, just marketing and consumerism
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[8:27] <[Saint]> I wouldn't say there's no technological reasons. I've lived on the bleeding edge of Android for years now and watched it elvolve.
[8:27] <DanDare> yeah, they will always make a move to not let you using the "old" stuff
[8:28] <[Saint]> In reality, though, these devices are supposed to last 18 months and that's it.
[8:28] <[Saint]> switch out with a contract, etc.
[8:28] <DanDare> i personally think its 80% just acting
[8:28] * DanDare feels grumpy
[8:29] <DanDare> heck, 18 months. I want mine stuff lasting for at least 4 or 5 years
[8:29] <[Saint]> glwt
[8:30] <DanDare> yeah..
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[8:33] <DanDare> i think i have some problem with raspbmc, it keeps restarting very quickly (10s), with the relax message like if its a infinite loop. I think I will try it with any other SD card
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[11:19] <Janhouse> Hi! Any ideas how to make pulseaudio not stutter and lag on raspberry? It used to work but after some updates it is simply terrible.
[11:19] <Janhouse> Can't change the volume without crashing anything, can't play anything.
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[11:20] <Janhouse> I'm running raspbian on it.
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[11:21] <evil_dan2wik> Janhouse: undo those updates?
[11:22] <Janhouse> Why does it even have updates if they break everything? Isn't there supposed to be some sort of stable branch?
[11:23] <ShorTie> is that just a apt-get update/upgrade/dist-upgrade or rpi-update ??
[11:23] <Fudge> Janhouse: apt-cache policy pulseaudio and downgrade with apt-get isntall pulseaudio=version-number
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[12:47] <Fudge> what is the default ram assigned to the gpu in raspbian?
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[12:53] <[Saint]> Look in the config.
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[15:07] <Kriminel> o/
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[15:17] <ShorTie> \o
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[15:41] <gn0> Hello!
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[17:10] <retrosenator> is it normal for the usb to be really buggy?
[17:11] <retrosenator> like, it just doesn't recognize some devices until I reboot like 5 times
[17:11] <retrosenator> then they work perfectly until I reboot again and then who knows
[17:11] <james_olympus> retrosenator: What sort of device?
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[17:14] <retrosenator> usb keyboard
[17:14] <retrosenator> also usb wifi
[17:15] <retrosenator> both devices work perfectly on my chrombook every time
[17:15] <retrosenator> but the keyboard is dodgy because I spliced the wires by twisting them and wrapping in duct tape
[17:15] <retrosenator> it should be fine though
[17:15] <james_olympus> The wifi adaptor is probably drawing a lot of current
[17:15] <retrosenator> anyway, once it works it works fine
[17:16] <retrosenator> yeah, but even with just the keyboard
[17:16] <retrosenator> it doesn't always work
[17:16] <retrosenator> and I have a 3 amp psu
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[17:42] <retrosenator> for some reason the \ key is writing #
[17:43] <retrosenator> and | is ~
[17:43] <retrosenator> very annoying because I have no way to type |
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[17:51] <james_olympus> Is your keyboard map set correctly?
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[18:07] <retrosenator> possibly not
[18:07] <retrosenator> how do I set the keyboard map?
[18:07] <retrosenator> i'm getting also strange symbols on the console
[18:07] <retrosenator> like characters that are boxes
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[18:09] <lost_soul> no option to set it when you configured the system
[18:09] <james_olympus> Run 'sudo raspi-config'
[18:09] <lost_soul> retrosenator: http://www.raspberrypi.org/forums/viewtopic.php?f=26&t=11869
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[18:30] <retrosenator> I don't remember that was like 2 years ago
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[18:31] <retrosenator> ok I went to keyboard layout to change and it just is hanging
[18:31] <retrosenator> wiat.. there it goes
[18:31] <retrosenator> I'm using all the cpu compiling something...
[18:32] <retrosenator> it was set to generic
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[18:32] <retrosenator> I have no idea why that's wrong
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[18:33] <lost_soul> retrosenator: is your language set correctly?
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[18:34] <retrosenator> I think so
[18:34] <retrosenator> I set to english
[18:34] <retrosenator> it's still not working I changed from 105 key international to 104 key
[18:35] <lost_soul> I think you may need to reboot for changes to take effect
[18:35] <retrosenator> oh it's set to en_GB
[18:35] <retrosenator> how do I change to en_US?
[18:35] <lost_soul> don't quote me though, I don't use raspbian
[18:36] <retrosenator> wait, nm
[18:36] <retrosenator> what do you use?
[18:36] <lost_soul> I use OE, my pi is a multimedia system only
[18:36] <lost_soul> next one will be to play with
[18:36] <retrosenator> I used to use oe on beagleboard
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[18:37] <retrosenator> my pi is about to be a chartplotter
[18:37] <lost_soul> how are those, always wanted to try one but never have
[18:37] <retrosenator> I used last time in 2009
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[18:37] <retrosenator> I think it's about the speed of the pi then
[18:37] <retrosenator> it was qutie fast for 2009
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[18:38] <lost_soul> nice
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[18:38] <retrosenator> I have cubie truck
[18:38] <retrosenator> and also odroid
[18:38] <retrosenator> cubie truck is about 4x the speed of raspberry
[18:38] <lost_soul> never heard of those
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[18:38] <retrosenator> and odroid I don't know yet but should be 4x the speed of cubie truck
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[18:39] <retrosenator> it's quad core 1.7ghz
[18:39] <lost_soul> sweet, how pricey though
[18:39] <lost_soul> and how well is it supported on linux
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[18:52] <lost_soul> that odroid looks pretty neat
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[18:55] <retrosenator> i just have no micro hdmi adapter
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[18:55] <retrosenator> also it needs a fan to run at full cpu in all four cores for extended periods
[18:56] <lost_soul> did you try adding a heatsink to the chip?
[18:56] <lost_soul> passive cooling would surely be the better option
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[19:22] <lost_soul> abnormal: how did you make out last night? I was longer than expected, sorry.
[19:23] <abnormal> well arctictelecom is going to see if he can get verizon to make the hotspot stable for me sometime today...
[19:24] <lost_soul> nice
[19:24] <abnormal> he says it's the hotspot and said the SpotChat IRC don't cooperate to some ISPs...
[19:25] <lost_soul> that somewhat makes sense with what we saw.. able to ping but not to telnet (even to port 80)
[19:26] <abnormal> so, I will find out when he gets back to me... I've given him all the info to the hotspot so he can chew them out... lol
[19:27] <lost_soul> nice
[19:27] <lost_soul> did you spend any time getting comfy with irssi?
[19:27] <abnormal> he hates verizon and knows some of the guys there...
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[19:28] <lost_soul> I've never used verizon, it isn't available in my area
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[19:28] <abnormal> not yet... it's in terminal... had no clue what to do...
[19:28] <lost_soul> which sucks.. they offer fios
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[19:28] <lost_soul> abnormal: my guess is you're trying to make itt more difficult than it really is
[19:29] <abnormal> pls educate me if you like..
[19:29] <lost_soul> it will end up being slightly more complex than I said last night.. but only if you want specific functionality
[19:29] <lost_soul> run it
[19:29] <abnormal> ok in terminal?
[19:29] <lost_soul> yes
[19:29] <lost_soul> in terminal is the only way it will run
[19:30] <abnormal> ok it's open blank window...
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[19:31] <abnormal> it says status at bottom...
[19:31] <lost_soul> where it says that type /server irc.freenode.net
[19:32] <lost_soul> to set a nickname do /nick myniftynickname
[19:32] <lost_soul> to join a channel type in /j #raspberrypi
[19:32] <lost_soul> those are the very basics
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[19:33] <lost_soul> all of that crap can be setup in the config so that when you run irssi it automatically connects to a server or servers... and joins the channels you designate
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[19:33] <lost_soul> or you could do it manually, of course, until such time as you get used to working with the program
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[19:34] <lost_soul> the numbers you see to the right just above where it said status are the windows that you can switch to.. press the escape key and whatever number window you want to get to
[19:34] <lost_soul> when someone says your name that number will turn pink to show you that someone has spoken to you
[19:35] <abnormal> ok slow down pls... it didn't join the channel yet...
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[19:36] <abnormal> it says my nick is already in use and cannot join
[19:36] <lost_soul> abnormal: so you successfully connected to freenode?
[19:36] <lost_soul> change to a different nick.. add a 1 or something to the end
[19:36] <abnormal> yes
[19:36] <abnormal> ok
[19:37] <abnormal> ok it's reallyabnormal
[19:38] <lost_soul> now /j #raspberrypi
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[19:41] <abnormal> How do i identify: it says I need to be indentified
[19:42] <lost_soul> abnormal: look at the available windows... one of those windows shows you the command to type in
[19:42] <lost_soul> it's /msg nickserv identify <password>, but I want you to get used to switching windows
[19:43] <lost_soul> so look for that window
[19:43] <lost_soul> to switch windows.. esc + number
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[19:44] <lost_soul> to close any window out... lets say the one that shows you how to authenticate your user.. just do /wc (stands for window close)
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[19:46] <retrosenator> /win cl
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[19:46] <lost_soul> I've always just used /wc ... less typing and I'm lazy
[19:46] <lost_soul> :p
[19:47] <retrosenator> lost_soul: the odroid has a huge heat sink already
[19:47] <retrosenator> it's still not enough to stay under 80C after a few minutes at full cpu on all 4 cores
[19:47] <lost_soul> retrosenator: ah.. kind of sucks that you need to put a fan on it
[19:47] <retrosenator> could maybe use a cpu cooler from a pentium IV or something though
[19:47] <retrosenator> like withou thte fan
[19:47] <retrosenator> you don't have to put a fan on it
[19:48] <lost_soul> I thought you said that in order to get full performance it needed a fan
[19:48] <retrosenator> the kernel will underclock it to keep the temp stable
[19:48] <retrosenator> so if you just need bursts it's ok
[19:48] <retrosenator> there is a fan connector which does pwm also
[19:48] <lost_soul> ah, I didn't see that
[19:49] <retrosenator> so the fan will not spin if it's cool enough
[19:49] <retrosenator> but yeah, it uses 10 watts a full blast
[19:49] <retrosenator> but consider it's equivilant to 16 raspberries or so...
[19:50] <retrosenator> only 2 gigs of ram is maybe a mistake
[19:50] <lost_soul> looks like an interesting board. I might just have to pick one up when the funds are available
[19:50] <lost_soul> 2gigs is still much better than 512mb
[19:51] <lost_soul> for the price can't really complain all that much
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[19:52] <SpeedEvil> My Haswell i3 uses about 12W idle
[19:52] <SpeedEvil> (DC)
[19:52] <SpeedEvil> That's Idle running FF+IRC+...
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[19:58] <abnormal> still not getting anywhere...
[19:59] <lost_soul> abnormal: did you authenticate
[19:59] <abnormal> how do I get out of help
[19:59] <abnormal> I do not know...
[19:59] <lost_soul> try q
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[20:00] <abnormal> ok out of help now...
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[20:00] <lost_soul> authenticate your user by doing /msg nickserv identify <yourpassword>
[20:01] <abnormal> ok it did some thing but nothing showed up in window..
[20:02] <lost_soul> do you see a number on the right side just above whereyou type that is pink
[20:02] <abnormal> it just dissappered
[20:02] <lost_soul> press esc + that number
[20:02] <abnormal> no
[20:02] <lost_soul> ru sure
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[20:03] <abnormal> I press esc+2 and nothing happened
[20:03] <lost_soul> abnormal: don't stress it... just join a channel.. /j #channelname
[20:03] <abnormal> ok just a min...
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[20:05] <abnormal> says reallyabnormal is not a registered nickname
[20:05] <lost_soul> didn't you say it said that you needed to authenticate
[20:05] <lost_soul> if you didn't register the nick.. then you don't need to authenticate the nick
[20:06] <lost_soul> I'm rather confused.. I thought you already went through that step
[20:06] <lost_soul> :\
[20:07] <abnormal> me too sorry i am difficult to deal with... I am illiterate..
[20:08] <lost_soul> no worries, but I don't want you do get the impression irssi is hard to use when it really isn't
[20:09] <abnormal> I am doing my best to learn it just I am not following correctly and hard for me to follow cuz me so limited...
[20:10] <lost_soul> well, if you feel uncomfortable maybe it would be best to stick to pidgin or xchat
[20:10] <lost_soul> text based clients aren't for everyone.. but they do have advantages
[20:11] <abnormal> well I do want to learn it just I have to push myself to do it and one that walks me thru has to go slow...
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[20:12] <lost_soul> we have been going slow
[20:12] <abnormal> lol
[20:13] <lost_soul> I'm serious.. this is the easy stuff... you should have been able to type a few commands and be in the channel
[20:13] <lost_soul> setting up the config, multiple servers, auto connect... those are generally the problem areas for new ppl
[20:14] <abnormal> how do I change channels?
[20:14] <lost_soul> so.. you're connected... you apparently don't need to authenticate... so type /j #raspberrypi
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[20:14] <lost_soul> abnormal: first we need to get you in a channel
[20:14] <abnormal> ok
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[20:14] <lost_soul> two actually... then you can switch between them
[20:14] <abnormal> ok
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[20:15] <abnormal> ok i did debian
[20:15] <lost_soul> do another
[20:16] <abnormal> I c dandare
[20:16] <lost_soul> you can join one channel from another just do /j #anotherchannel
[20:16] <DanDare> I c dead people
[20:16] <abnormal> meek geek
[20:16] <abnormal> lol
[20:16] <DanDare> :p
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[20:17] <abnormal> ok what one you suggest in freenode?
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[20:17] <lost_soul> once you join the second channel, press esc + window number (they appear in the blue bar at the right)
[20:18] <lost_soul> abnormal: depends on what you are interested in... channels for just about everything... debian, slackware, gentoo, openbsd, freebsd, perl, python, windows, php, html... and so on
[20:18] <lost_soul> even one for electronics if you are in to that
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[20:19] <lost_soul> abnormal: for testing purposes, as you're doing now, it doesn't really matter what channel you join
[20:19] <lost_soul> :p
[20:19] <abnormal> I tried raspberrypi and it don't work
[20:20] <lost_soul> did you do /j before it
[20:20] <abnormal> yes
[20:20] <lost_soul> it will work man
[20:20] <lost_soul> try again
[20:20] <abnormal> ok
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[20:24] <abnormal> ok, then the blue status bar is showing 4:freenode/#gentoo
[20:24] <lost_soul> so you have at least 4 windows open
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[20:24] <lost_soul> see the numbers on the right
[20:25] <abnormal> that's what is suspected, but I only see one in the blue bar...
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[20:25] <lost_soul> we really need to get some screenshots... some strange shit be happening
[20:26] <lost_soul> regardless... press esc and then the number 3... the window should change
[20:26] <abnormal> ok I'll try it..
[20:28] <abnormal> ok it went between 3&4 but 2 don't show
[20:28] <lost_soul> try again
[20:28] <abnormal> It'll go to 1
[20:29] <lost_soul> you should be able to get to 1, which is basically server crap
[20:29] <abnormal> but not 2
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[20:29] <lost_soul> 2 should also work
[20:29] <abnormal> yes that is what it looks like
[20:29] <lost_soul> even if you closed the window.. the remaining windows would change numbers so 2 would still work
[20:29] <abnormal> but in the right of bar is {Act: 3,4}
[20:30] <lost_soul> right, those are the numbers I mentioned
[20:30] <abnormal> so 2 is not there?
[20:30] <lost_soul> even if 2 doesn't show.. it is still there
[20:30] <lost_soul> it just means nothing has gone on in the channel
[20:30] <abnormal> hmmm lemme try agian...
[20:31] <abnormal> NickServ(NickServ@services.)- reallyabnormal is not a registered nickname.
[20:31] <abnormal> That's in 2
[20:31] <lost_soul> thats a message from nickserv
[20:31] <lost_soul> to close that window do /wc
[20:32] <abnormal> ok, now act: is 2.3
[20:33] <lost_soul> basically the only time the numbers show is when some type of activity takes place in the channel... light blue means people have joined or parted... white means people have spoken... pink means someone spoke directly to you
[20:33] <lost_soul> now /j raspberrypi (cuz you said it didn't work for you before)
[20:34] <abnormal> ok I can switch between 2 & 3
[20:34] <lost_soul> yep, see how easy it is
[20:34] <abnormal> now I'll try join rpi
[20:34] <abnormal> just a min...
[20:36] <abnormal> won't go... window goes blank and comes back... is it because I am already here in pidgin?
[20:36] <lost_soul> nope
[20:36] <abnormal> lol
[20:36] <lost_soul> it's because you're typing something in wrong
[20:36] <lost_soul> what is it you are typing.. place a space first so it doesn't act as a command
[20:37] <abnormal> ok try again
[20:37] <[Saint]> Oh. My. God...
[20:37] <[Saint]> This is _still_ a thing?
[20:37] <lost_soul> LOL
[20:37] <lost_soul> [Saint]: it is
[20:37] <abnormal> what thing?
[20:38] <[Saint]> And the award for most patient man and/or woman ever goes to...lost_soul!
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[20:38] <lost_soul> yay, me!!
[20:38] <abnormal> yes and thank god
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[20:39] <lost_soul> I just thank everyone for not getting all upset because the conversation is off-topic
[20:39] <lost_soul> actually we should move to another channel with it now that you know how to join channels abnormal
[20:39] <abnormal> ok which one?
[20:40] <abnormal> abnormal one?
[20:40] <lost_soul> /j linuxtalk ... small channel where conversation doesn't matter
[20:40] <abnormal> ok I'll try...
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[20:45] * shiftplusone wonders why some people are so touchy about offtopic talk
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[20:48] <benny-> hey, which webserver (with php) would you recommend for b+ model? apache2/nginx or lighttpd?
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[20:50] <shiftplusone> nginx
[20:52] <benny-> so it performs best?
[20:53] <geordie> a little off-topic talk is good, keeps the channel alive.
[20:53] <benny-> sorry if this is offtopic, where should i ask? as it's related to pi hardware :>
[20:54] <geordie> benny-: not you :)
[20:54] <geordie> talk away
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[20:56] <[SLB]> i use lighttpd
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[20:58] <benny-> ok, i need someone who suggests apache :p
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[21:05] <lost_soul> whoops, clicked wrong :\
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[21:46] <DanDare> benny-, i use apache, not used to the other options
[21:47] <benny-> thanks :p
[21:47] <DanDare> why thanks? :p
[21:47] <DanDare> benny-, it just works if you install apache2
[21:47] <benny-> now every server got "recommended" :p
[21:48] <benny-> i will decide when stuff is compiled, but i may try apache first
[21:48] <benny-> as i never worked with the other ones
[21:48] <DanDare> me neither ...
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[21:48] <DanDare> benny-, are you compiling you own apache?
[21:49] <benny-> yes
[21:49] <DanDare> benny-, why not just apt-get it? crazy configure options?
[21:50] <benny-> gentoo^^
[21:50] <benny-> + crossdev
[21:50] <DanDare> I see
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[22:11] <abnormal> whoa... man...
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[22:16] <lost_soul> abnormal: this is what it looks like when someone talks directly to you
[22:17] <abnormal> I c...
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[23:02] * [Saint] predicts RPF is going to have a crap time trying to hang on to the HAT branding.
[23:03] <[Saint]> "But you can only call something a HAT if it follows the spec."
[23:03] <[Saint]> ...yeah, glwt.
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[23:06] <gordonDrogon> glwt ?
[23:06] <[Saint]> good luck with that
[23:07] <gordonDrogon> ah.
[23:07] <gordonDrogon> they could trademark it - maybe.
[23:08] <gordonDrogon> but as you say; my suspicion is that anyone with a board that plugs on-top of a Pi will call it a hat whether it uses the eeprom or not.
[23:08] <[Saint]> even if they did, I would assume a lot of the stuff that would violate the branding wouldn't be in a locale RPF could realistically do anything about.
[23:08] <[Saint]> its bloody hard to keep branding internationally when you don't have an international presence.
[23:09] <[Saint]> and, sometimes, even then.
[23:09] <[Saint]> stop it coming into the UK and colonies, perhaps.
[23:10] <[Saint]> like Disney stuffs.
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[23:12] <[Saint]> Oh...that is just delicious.
[23:12] <[Saint]> The board size is mandated in the spec.
[23:12] <[Saint]> have a *really* tiny circuit? Too bad.
[23:13] <[Saint]> must have all four mounts and be an _exact_ size.
[23:14] <[Saint]> (and flex slots)
[23:14] <[Saint]> ah, no, flex slots are optional.
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[23:16] <[Saint]> largely speculation of course, but I think you could get a secure mount from just the GPIO header and 2 mounts.
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[23:19] <nsgn> quick question. is /run a ramdisk or just a temp partition on the sd card?
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[23:20] <[Saint]> tmpfs
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[23:21] <[Saint]> if you do "df -a" you should see it has the exact same sizing as /tmp, also a tmpfs
[23:21] <gordonDrogon> and check /etc/default/tmpfs
[23:21] <[Saint]> (actually, it may be a bit different, I think my setup is slightly weird)
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[23:24] <[Saint]> hmmm - if I assume raspbian or arch, I'm fairly sure I can say I'm correct.
[23:24] <[Saint]> /tmp is a tmpfs on raspbian is it not?
[23:24] <[Saint]> (I would hope so)
[23:24] <nsgn> [Saint], pardon my ignroance, but does tmpfs imply it is in ram or not particularly? i just need somewhere in ram i can write something that can be lost on reboot that i dont mind..it just gets rewritten a lot so i dont want to wear the sd (the sd is also slow)
[23:24] * [Saint] goes digging for sdcards
[23:25] <[Saint]> nsgn: yep, a tmpfs is a RAMdisk.
[23:25] <nsgn> thanks!
[23:25] <[Saint]> You'll find a lot of these pointing to the exact same place, probably.
[23:25] <[Saint]> hence the identical sizing.
[23:26] <[Saint]> /run, /tmp, /sys/fs/cgroup, /dev/shm, etc.
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[23:27] <blockh34d> hey any regulars here have a framebuffer grabber?
[23:28] <[Saint]> One of the things I do religiosly on my systems is point /tmp to a tmpfs if it isn't already, and then I'll symlink ~/.cache to /tmp
[23:28] <blockh34d> and can take a gameplay video of my game beta?
[23:28] <[Saint]> so then all my useless browsing cruft gets blown away.
[23:28] <[Saint]> (I have fast enough Internet to make caching an annoyance)
[23:28] <blockh34d> i got this game mostly done, i want to get a kickstarter going for it, its for raspberry pi
[23:29] <blockh34d> but no good way to take gameplay vid on the actual device
[23:29] <blockh34d> if it helps, the game will be free for everyone
[23:29] <blockh34d> no ads, gimmicks etc
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[23:30] <[Saint]> so...what perks do the backers get?
[23:30] <blockh34d> not-yet-functional draft of my kickstarter btw, if anyone wants to see/review: https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/176126840/1621496386?token=baf18e39
[23:30] <blockh34d> [Saint]: my thanks, maybe a vanity item
[23:30] <blockh34d> if they donate enough, i'll put them or anyone they want, in the game
[23:31] <blockh34d> otherwise, not much. the games are all free, thats how i want to distribute them
[23:31] <blockh34d> free games = more users = more fun
[23:31] <blockh34d> i should think of better perks
[23:31] <[Saint]> In my experience a pledge for a significant amount really needs to offer something material.
[23:32] <blockh34d> but i dont want any physical perks, cause i have a hard time fulfilling
[23:32] <[Saint]> Otherwise there's very little incentive to not wait and hope it gets released anyway.
[23:32] <blockh34d> so i want only software perks
[23:32] <blockh34d> oh it will
[23:32] <blockh34d> did you see my target amount?
[23:32] <blockh34d> i will make at least one game and give it away free if it hits that amount, and even if it doesnt
[23:33] <blockh34d> the ks is mostly for supporters to have an easy way to shovel money at me
[23:33] <blockh34d> and if there is none, oh well
[23:33] <blockh34d> making it anyways
[23:33] <blockh34d> its mostly done already, the multiplayer vs anyways
[23:33] <blockh34d> totally playable
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[23:34] <blockh34d> [Saint]: i think my ks has no chance
[23:34] <blockh34d> i mean i'll hit that 'target'
[23:34] <blockh34d> but its not going to make me any moneys
[23:35] <blockh34d> just going through the motions here
[23:35] <blockh34d> cause by all rights, it *should* be exactly the kinda thing KS has a giant boner for
[23:35] <blockh34d> but in reality, i dont have enough rich friends
[23:36] <[Saint]> kickstarter has a giant boner for ridiculous and unprovable claims.
[23:36] <[Saint]> the amount of pure voodoo on it is SHOCKING>
[23:36] <[Saint]> they've really gone downhill.
[23:36] <blockh34d> *cough* potato salad *cough*
[23:36] <blockh34d> that jackass lives a mile away from me
[23:36] <[Saint]> *cough* that 3d primting pen thing *cough*
[23:36] <blockh34d> i should go crash his potato party
[23:36] <blockh34d> oh ya
[23:36] <blockh34d> lol
[23:36] <blockh34d> so much voodoo bs
[23:37] <blockh34d> thats why i havent put my hmd on there yet
[23:37] <blockh34d> cause frankly my HMD is still vaporware BS
[23:37] <blockh34d> but it does work enough i could probably get a million bucks out of KS
[23:37] <blockh34d> http://s13.postimg.org/kvykdw2dz/IMG_2521.jpg
[23:37] <[Saint]> ...or that stupid bloody locaiton tag that they reckon could power itself purely over RF harvesting and sustain a BT tether *and* charge.
[23:37] <[Saint]> and, was like, 1cm square.
[23:38] <[Saint]> Voodoo. Plain and simple.
[23:38] <blockh34d> what about the '30 second charger'? lol
[23:38] <blockh34d> total malarchy
[23:38] <blockh34d> oh i know
[23:38] <blockh34d> i'll pitch my goggles as 'unbeer goggles'
[23:38] <blockh34d> they'll accurately show you just how ugly the person you're hitting on is
[23:38] <blockh34d> it'd be hilarous concept videos
[23:38] <[Saint]> Having a demonstrable working POC is a very lax requirement as KS now it seems.
[23:39] <[Saint]> *at
[23:39] <blockh34d> 'At the bar? looking for action? Be sure to pack these <gestures at giant, unweildy, prototype looking dork glasses>'
[23:39] <mgottschlag> blockh34d: needs more images.
[23:39] <blockh34d> mgottschlag: 100% agree, working on that
[23:39] <mgottschlag> some beta screenshots or something
[23:39] <blockh34d> actually thats what i'm here for
[23:39] <blockh34d> looking for someone with framebuffer grabber
[23:39] <blockh34d> or maybe someone who is TRUE BELIEVER and wants to buy me one? not holding my breath on that one
[23:39] <blockh34d> mgottschlag: beta shots coming real soon
[23:40] <mgottschlag> if it's an opengl game, why don't you just dump the buffer yourself?
[23:40] <blockh34d> those are no problem, its full motion thats unh...
[23:40] <ShadowJK> How do you focus the display
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[23:40] <mgottschlag> ah, hm
[23:40] <mgottschlag> videos are somewhat more difficult that way :)
[23:40] <[Saint]> ...looks like you stole my receding hairline.
[23:40] <blockh34d> [Saint]: and you'll never get it back!
[23:40] <[Saint]> you can have it! :)
[23:40] <blockh34d> ShadowJK: doesnt really need any focusing
[23:40] <blockh34d> ShadowJK: alignment though.. thats a different matter
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[23:41] <blockh34d> that'll be software
[23:41] <ShadowJK> But surely some lens system?
[23:41] <[Saint]> blockh34d: it very, very, very much will need different focal lengths.
[23:41] <ShadowJK> when the display is that close
[23:41] <blockh34d> ShadowJK: oh i see yah i use lenses from some toy
[23:41] <[Saint]> anyone with less than perfect eyesight will be screwed.
[23:41] <blockh34d> basically like a kids viewfinder
[23:41] <[Saint]> see: occulus
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[23:41] <blockh34d> but you could also use slide viewers
[23:41] <[Saint]> they pack different length focal cups.
[23:41] <blockh34d> i see
[23:41] <ShadowJK> I suspect being able to focus that near, is in the range of abnormal eyesight :)
[23:41] <blockh34d> well i'll sort something out
[23:42] <[Saint]> still not an idea solution, but a workable one.
[23:42] <blockh34d> thats mechanical
[23:42] <blockh34d> the helmet is nowhere near ready
[23:42] <blockh34d> the game however is
[23:42] <blockh34d> so i focus on game first, maybe it makes me enough moola i can foccus on the hmd
[23:42] <ShadowJK> And then there are people that can't focus on anything that they could reach with their hands
[23:43] <blockh34d> ShadowJK: also helmet uses dual fisheye lenses
[23:43] <[Saint]> those people are unlikely to purchase a VR headset, though. :)
[23:43] <blockh34d> so you get about 170-180 degree field of view
[23:43] <blockh34d> runs off battery for about 3 days
[23:43] <blockh34d> requires no other computer etc
[23:44] <blockh34d> project name = OpenEyes aka "Oculus Thrift"
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[23:44] <[Saint]> You don't happen to work for HTC do you?
[23:44] <blockh34d> newp
[23:44] <blockh34d> i wish i worked for anyone
[23:44] <blockh34d> would probably make buying food a helluva lot easier
[23:44] <[Saint]> All that packing tape, thought maybe you worked for HTC. :)
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[23:44] <blockh34d> last time i tried the store did not take lint and small bits of string
[23:44] <blockh34d> newp, now i got a 3d printer
[23:45] <blockh34d> next revision will have all 3d printed frame/housing
[23:45] <[Saint]> I hear some stores accept knives and stabbing motions.
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[23:45] <[Saint]> ymmv.
[23:45] <blockh34d> good that i have thoughts of lining the whole thing with kevlar then
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[23:45] <blockh34d> thats far off but might happen
[23:46] <blockh34d> if anyone wants ot be an angel investor and help me get a framebuffer grabber, my paypal email is greyworld@gmail.com
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[23:46] <blockh34d> or buy it and msg me for address
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[23:47] <[Saint]> why not just use VNC or X-forwarding on a local network?
[23:47] <blockh34d> or if you already have one lemme know and i'll send you the game
[23:47] <blockh34d> [Saint]: for?
[23:47] <[Saint]> latency should be good enough for a demo video.
[23:47] <jostrander> hello everyone, anyone have an issue where a windows pc and raspberry pi can't see each other, but both can see rest of LAN?
[23:47] <blockh34d> ah
[23:47] <mgottschlag> hm, x-forwarding + OpenGL, that is not going to work :D
[23:47] <blockh34d> [Saint]: cause i output on the openmax layer
[23:47] <mgottschlag> not at any acceptable speed anyways
[23:48] <[Saint]> Ahh.
[23:48] <blockh34d> openmax opengl seems even lowerlevel than even normal opengl
[23:48] <blockh34d> oblivious to anything else going on on the screen
[23:48] <blockh34d> and nothing on the screen seems to have any knowledge of whats going on with the openmax layer
[23:48] <blockh34d> screen grabs are totally empty where the opengl is
[23:48] <blockh34d> only using function in the Pi3d lib i'm using can i take still grab
[23:49] <blockh34d> worst case scneario,i'll take a bunch of those and make some crappy animated gif
[23:49] <blockh34d> but its subpar
[23:49] <blockh34d> and i think most people will think 'well thats what you get froma raspberry pi'
[23:49] <blockh34d> n/m that the game actually gets 50+ fps at 1080p in splitscreen vs mode
[23:50] <blockh34d> hey thanks everyone
[23:50] <blockh34d> i feel energized
[23:50] <mgottschlag> I'd probably just limit the KS page to still images, or a video with slideshow/comments
[23:50] <blockh34d> so main thing is more pics i guess, but any other thoughts?
[23:50] <blockh34d> mgottschlag: yah thats plan B, for now
[23:51] <blockh34d> maybe if i can get that much up, i'll get a FB grabber when i can, post a better video then
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[23:51] <mgottschlag> you might want to work on the layou a bit, use proper headlines instead of the ----- lines (especially, larger font for headlines)
[23:52] <blockh34d> gotcha, yah thats kinda leftover from when i was writing it out in leafpad
[23:52] <blockh34d> good call
[23:52] <blockh34d> oh i should show pictures of gamepads
[23:52] <blockh34d> all my games are totally gamepad compatible
[23:53] <blockh34d> nothing says 'lets play some games' like a pic of two gamepads plugged into a pi
[23:53] <[Saint]> couldn't you use fbcp to send primary framebuffer to secondary and grab it from there?
[23:54] <blockh34d> [Saint] i guess it sounds pretty plausible but i dont know what fbcp is... frame buffer copy? is it a CLI app or somethign?
[23:54] <[Saint]> https://github.com/tasanakorn/rpi-fbcp
[23:54] <blockh34d> hey thanks
[23:54] <[Saint]> just thinkin' on my feet.
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[23:54] <blockh34d> hey i appreciate it, news to me
[23:55] <blockh34d> hard not to stay really pessimistic about it
[23:55] <blockh34d> i feel like its gonna fail
[23:55] <blockh34d> even with that very modest goal
[23:55] <blockh34d> just big pile of fail
[23:55] <mgottschlag> heh, the text is good, the first paragraph already captures the target audience
[23:55] <blockh34d> i will do it anyways though
[23:55] <blockh34d> i am determined to make some free games for rpi
[23:56] <blockh34d> mgottschlag: wow really? thats so great thanks
[23:56] <blockh34d> i rewrote that at least 6 times
[23:56] <blockh34d> first one was like, a book itself, and stupid
[23:56] <mgottschlag> I've seen lots of kickstarter pages which lose the reader in details in the first paragraph, and the average viewer only reads the first 5-10 lines before he decides whether he is interested
[23:57] <blockh34d> not sure if KS is going to like my outline though, how its kinda several games in one project, i think they dont like that
[23:57] <blockh34d> yah i had to keep boiling it down
[23:57] <blockh34d> eliminate everything but the essential points
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[23:57] <blockh34d> so if KS doesnt like my format, the proejct will be for the engine itself
[23:57] <mgottschlag> I'd personally like some more details about the gameplay for the additional games though, sounds a lot like "yeah, I am going to make a game, but I have no idea what kind of game"
[23:57] <blockh34d> and then the stretch goals will affect how many 'demos' (full games) i include with the engine
[23:58] <blockh34d> mgottschlag: gotcha, will do. i have very specific ideas in mind actually
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[23:58] <blockh34d> parsec warp will be like overhead freelancer
[23:58] <mgottschlag> you could make a single "game collection" though
[23:58] <blockh34d> with more emphasis on multiplayer
[23:58] <blockh34d> mgottschlag: yah thats another thought
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[23:58] <blockh34d> and then have the actual number of games in that 'pack' be deteremined by funding level
[23:58] <blockh34d> i kinda like that better
[23:58] <blockh34d> i'da rther avoid the word 'demo' entriely
[23:59] <blockh34d> and the puzzle game will be quite a lot like tetris attacks
[23:59] <blockh34d> but for up to 8 players? maybe more
[23:59] <blockh34d> like tetris attacks and tetrinet and a little bit super puzzle fighter
[23:59] <[Saint]> just don't mention the T-word _anywhere_ near it.
[23:59] <[Saint]> At all.
[23:59] <[Saint]> Ever.
[23:59] <blockh34d> T-word?
[23:59] <blockh34d> trial?
[23:59] <[Saint]> Tetris.
[23:59] <blockh34d> hahaha

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