#raspberrypi IRC Log


IRC Log for 2014-08-04

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[0:00] <blockh34d> gotcha
[0:00] <blockh34d> yah tahts what killed tetris attacks
[0:00] <blockh34d> maybe one of the best games made, ever, and got ignroed because 'i'm bored with tetris'
[0:00] <[Saint]> Tetris guy is *reaaaaaaally* bloody protective of that IP and will NOT hestitate to stomp on a smallholder.
[0:00] <blockh34d> n/m that it has absolutely NOTHING to do with tetris
[0:00] <blockh34d> tetris attacks not even a little tiny bit like tetris
[0:00] <blockh34d> involves blocks, thats it
[0:01] <[Saint]> t-word. trademarks, yo.
[0:01] <blockh34d> can't recommendt aht game enough btw
[0:01] * toomin (~HomoSapie@unaffiliated/toomin) Quit (Ping timeout: 255 seconds)
[0:01] <blockh34d> and once you've gotten to waht you think is 'really good' you let me know
[0:01] <blockh34d> AND I WILL CRUSH YOU ALL
[0:01] * blockh34d is the master AND THE COMMANDER of Tetris Attacks
[0:02] <blockh34d> yah my puzzle game name is Berry Brawl!
[0:02] <blockh34d> all these will be Pi exclusive titles btw
[0:02] <blockh34d> for the lifespan of the raspbery Pi Model B, they will not exist on any other platform, even if someone migrates them for me. I will sue.
[0:03] <[Saint]> I...what?
[0:03] <[Saint]> Its either FOSS or it isn't.
[0:03] <blockh34d> i want more people using Pi
[0:03] <[Saint]> make up your mind.
[0:03] <blockh34d> it's not FOSS unless i get 250k in funding
[0:03] <[Saint]> glwt...
[0:03] <blockh34d> otherwise its just Free (closed source)
[0:04] <[Saint]> 250K? Seriously?
[0:04] <blockh34d> no
[0:04] <[Saint]> is the 0 a typo?
[0:04] <blockh34d> i'll come up with a diff number
[0:04] <blockh34d> but its going to be a lot.
[0:04] <[Saint]> is the 5 a typo too?
[0:04] <blockh34d> enough for me to live on for a few years
[0:04] <[Saint]> yeah...don't plan things this way.
[0:04] <blockh34d> because otherwise the plan is this: develop the engine with kick starter
[0:04] <[Saint]> its a recipe for disaster.
[0:04] <blockh34d> give away a few games, like i said
[0:05] <blockh34d> but then, make more games, and sell those.
[0:05] <[Saint]> never rely on an income.
[0:05] <blockh34d> for profit
[0:05] * trickyhero (~trickyher@d4-50-67-5.try.wideopenwest.com) has joined #raspberrypi
[0:05] <blockh34d> so if i give away the engine, its gotta cover those other games too, the ones not mentioned in the writeup
[0:05] <mgottschlag> blockh34d: maybe you want a "why do I need the money"-style paragraph
[0:05] <[Saint]> I'd love to see that justification for 250K...so, yes. DO that. :)
[0:05] <[Saint]> I'll read the crap out of it.
[0:06] <blockh34d> mgottschlag: noted, i'll have to give that some thought, its pretty short as is... "Food. Bills."
[0:06] <blockh34d> 250k isnt much for gamedev imo
[0:06] <blockh34d> good games make 250k in preorders
[0:06] <mgottschlag> it is if your baseline for a single game is 25k
[0:06] <mgottschlag> for this KS
[0:06] <[Saint]> it is for a complete unknown developer with no prior art to base a reference from.
[0:06] <blockh34d> thats 25k to make the game and retain the engine
[0:06] <mgottschlag> and 250k is a lot for a single developer in any case
[0:06] <[Saint]> 250K is absurd.
[0:06] <blockh34d> 250k is to make the games and give away the engine
[0:06] <[Saint]> frankly.
[0:07] <blockh34d> gotcha
[0:07] <blockh34d> i'll change the numbers i'm sure
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[0:07] <blockh34d> its just kinda off the top of my head
[0:07] <blockh34d> but its going to be high. the open source release stretch goal is going to be crazy high, i can tell you that much right now
[0:07] <[Saint]> its a few orders of magnitude off the ball.
[0:07] * datagutt_ is now known as datagutt
[0:07] <blockh34d> noted
[0:07] <blockh34d> its going to be as high as is at all plausible
[0:07] <blockh34d> and maybe a bit more
[0:08] <blockh34d> but everything else, low and reasonble i think
[0:08] <blockh34d> hey my first goal is $1
[0:08] <blockh34d> i'll make and release a quality game for that too.
[0:08] <blockh34d> free for all.
[0:08] <SpeedEvil> 'I will make you some potato salad' ?
[0:08] <mgottschlag> $1 is not really a psychologically good number btw
[0:08] <blockh34d> and feed it to your mouth with a golden spoon
[0:08] <SpeedEvil> https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/324283889/potato-salad
[0:08] <blockh34d> yah i know that one
[0:08] <blockh34d> that guy lives a mile away
[0:08] <blockh34d> really pisses me off actually
[0:09] <mgottschlag> better add a somewhat larger number, and the "why do I need the money" should list a detailed explanation why you need the specific amounts of money
[0:09] <blockh34d> no art, no creativity, just some 'torch ks rep' marketting troll
[0:09] <mgottschlag> oh, and maybe a roadmap with dates, that would be nice as well
[0:09] <blockh34d> mgottschlag: my thought is, i dont want to get kickscrewed
[0:09] <blockh34d> all my ks projects seem to die at 90%
[0:09] <blockh34d> if i go through that again i'm going to go punch someone at random to death
[0:09] * AbbyTheRat (~AbbyTheRa@174-138-205-106.cpe.distributel.net) Quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer)
[0:09] <blockh34d> at least with $1 goal, i know i'll get whatever people are trying to give me
[0:10] <blockh34d> and if its only 5k, so be it
[0:10] <blockh34d> only 500, so be it
[0:10] <blockh34d> only $5... so be it... i will still make at least one game and it will be pretty legit. it's already mostly done anyways.
[0:10] <ShorTie> let it be, let it be
[0:11] <blockh34d> i'm doing it one way or another
[0:11] <blockh34d> with or without kickstarter
[0:11] <[Saint]> Whisper words of wisdom, let it be
[0:11] * blockh34d sways to the music
[0:11] <mgottschlag> but, if you will do this no matter how much money you'll get, why should people support you? that's a huge psychological disadvantage :p
[0:11] <blockh34d> mgottschlag: gonna need a really compelling video
[0:11] * [Saint] noted that earlier
[0:12] <blockh34d> i think i got a nice schtick worked up though
[0:12] <blockh34d> 1) last year i was homeless
[0:12] * lost_soul (~none@cpe-67-246-98-246.twcny.res.rr.com) has joined #raspberrypi
[0:12] <blockh34d> 2) i hate profit and can explain why
[0:12] <blockh34d> 3) i only want peoples money if its a gift.
[0:12] * lost_soul (~none@cpe-67-246-98-246.twcny.res.rr.com) Quit (Client Quit)
[0:12] <blockh34d> in order for it to be a gift, i have to be willing to give what i have, freely
[0:12] <blockh34d> i will
[0:12] <[Saint]> the system works in theory, but at the end of the day a lot of people are assholes, the community is mostly school age children, and evryone wants something for nothing.
[0:12] <blockh34d> and i really dont care if i makes me no money, i would release the game and fro donations only, anyways
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[0:13] <blockh34d> and i want them to have it
[0:13] <blockh34d> really
[0:13] <The_HunterT> [Saint]: Exactly
[0:13] <blockh34d> i do not want to extort money out of anyone for my crappy game
[0:13] <[Saint]> this isn't a compelling argument for giving you any money.
[0:13] * utack (~utack@mnch-5d866a25.pool.mediaWays.net) has joined #raspberrypi
[0:13] <blockh34d> you want more users on raspbery pi?
[0:13] * Bray90820_ (~Bray90820@2601:d:5c80:763:e6ce:8fff:fe44:2f04) Quit (Remote host closed the connection)
[0:13] <[Saint]> ...how will this bring them?
[0:13] <blockh34d> you want rpi to not get swallowed in the sea of other, better, cheaper, newer micros?
[0:14] <blockh34d> exclusive titles
[0:14] <[Saint]> the need the pi in order to discover your work.
[0:14] <blockh34d> like i said
[0:14] <[Saint]> *they
[0:14] * zz_Kymru is now known as Kymru
[0:14] <blockh34d> the games will be on no other platforms, unless i hit that top stretch goal
[0:14] <[Saint]> so - its not aiding pi discovery.
[0:14] <[Saint]> pi is aiding your game discovery.
[0:14] <blockh34d> nah it'll be a party game sorta thing
[0:14] <blockh34d> all these games are designed to be party games
[0:14] <blockh34d> multiplayer is the draw
[0:14] <blockh34d> that'll be my viral marketting
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[0:15] <blockh34d> it's $40 with a gamepad and it lets you plugin to your buddies lan party with your own device
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[0:15] <blockh34d> that screams 'party game device' to me
[0:15] <blockh34d> i feel like if i make this happen, the foundation should buy me out
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[0:16] <blockh34d> cause i'm basically advertising for them at that point
[0:16] <blockh34d> you're all right btw
[0:16] <blockh34d> naturally
[0:16] <blockh34d> its why i'm so pessimistic about my chances even though in a lotta ways, it should do well
[0:16] <blockh34d> i just have no interest in 'going for the throat'
[0:17] <blockh34d> well i feel like i've monopolized teh chat long enough
[0:18] <blockh34d> thanks a lot for the input everyone! good or bad i truly appreciate it
[0:18] * Sauvin (~Savinus@about/linux/staff/sauvin) Quit (Ping timeout: 255 seconds)
[0:18] <blockh34d> any other thoughts can be sent to greyworld@gmail.com or left as a comment on the draft page or just msg me regardless of if i'm in this chan
[0:18] <[Saint]> I think a large part of the self limiting factor for discovery comes from the need to adopt a new hardware platform.
[0:19] <[Saint]> (and, lets face it, not a terribly reliable or conveniant one)
[0:19] <blockh34d> non-profit > profit, imo
[0:19] * abnormal (~none@50.sub-70-209-129.myvzw.com) Quit (Quit: Lost terminal)
[0:19] <blockh34d> if another non profit computer company arives, maybe i'll split my love between them and rpi
[0:19] <blockh34d> but for now, rpi gets all my love
[0:19] * snuggyfoo (~ares@ Quit (Remote host closed the connection)
[0:19] <[Saint]> If people don't already own the pi - I don't seem them rushing out to buy it because of an indie game they found.
[0:19] <blockh34d> i just wish they werent made, at all, in china
[0:19] <[Saint]> I mean, it might happen.
[0:20] <blockh34d> it'll happen a little i think
[0:20] <blockh34d> especially if the games themselves are free
[0:20] <blockh34d> cause they can get mom to buy them the device
[0:20] <blockh34d> 'for school'
[0:20] * mgottschlag is way too much of a capitalist to follow quite of these thoughts :D
[0:20] <mgottschlag> *quite some
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[0:20] <blockh34d> mgottschlag: if i didnt live in america i would probably be uber capitalist
[0:21] <blockh34d> but our system has made me hate money and the cult around it
[0:21] <blockh34d> i'd rather light it on fire
[0:21] <[Saint]> so much so you want 250 thousand monies.
[0:21] <The_HunterT> Is this #politics?
[0:21] <[Saint]> that's a lot of hate.
[0:21] <blockh34d> yah but i want it as a gift
[0:21] <blockh34d> not extortion
[0:22] <blockh34d> profit = 'you gimme, i give you'
[0:22] <blockh34d> no thanks
[0:22] <blockh34d> as an artist thats not waht i'm about
[0:22] <mgottschlag> anyways, you might be more successful if you just set a base price of 1$ for your games. That's not much, everybody is able to pay that, and your backers actually get something of monetary value for their support
[0:22] <[Saint]> as a human who eats food and lives in a house - you may have to be.
[0:22] <blockh34d> maybe i should just not mention that the games are going to be free
[0:22] <[Saint]> ideals are great, but, you can't eat the,.
[0:23] <blockh34d> but it seem underhanded
[0:28] * Disconnected.

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