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IRC Log for 2014-08-06

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[10:57] * Topic is 'Unofficial RaspberryPi IRC channel but "Blessed" by the Foundation as the ONE channel. Logs @ http://srv.datagutt1.com <> Channel Rules as of 6 May '14: http://tiny.cc/h7za1w <> Getting help on IRC: http://tiny.cc/p9za1w <>'
[10:57] * Set by IT_Sean!~Ult_Ubunt@applefritter/IRCStaff/UltimateMacUser1 on Tue May 06 21:39:57 CEST 2014
[10:57] <RahulAN> Fudge, yes it is working fine
[10:57] <Fudge> thats weird
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[10:58] <RahulAN> in lsusb i am getting name also.. but not getting it worked
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[10:58] <RahulAN> as i am writing hcitool scan Device is not available: Address family not supported by protocol i am getting this
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[11:00] <Fudge> lspci shows your bluetoothdevice
[11:01] <[Saint]> i...what?
[11:01] <[Saint]> If its a USB device, lsusb is entirely appropriate.
[11:02] <Fudge> ?
[11:02] <Fudge> yes, thanks fo r correction
[11:02] <[Saint]> lsUSB the last three characters are kinda crucial.
[11:02] <Fudge> indeed, it may make some remarkable difference loL
[11:02] <RahulAN> i am getting errors when trying lspci
[11:02] <RahulAN> pcilib: Cannot open /proc/bus/pci
[11:02] <ShorTie> lsusb -vvvvv show alot more info
[11:02] <[Saint]> that's entirely expected.
[11:03] <RahulAN> lspci: Cannot find any working access method.
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[11:03] <[Saint]> no pci bus exists.
[11:03] <[Saint]> so - y'know.
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[11:04] <RahulAN> [Saint], why i am getting this?
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[11:04] <Fudge> RahulAN: yes I mis-spoke sudo lsusb if you are not root
[11:04] <ShorTie> have you looked in dmesg to see what it says about it ??
[11:04] <Fudge> or is it just lshw that wants root, never mind
[11:04] <[Saint]> because the lspci command was issued in error, and no pci bus exists here. Move along. Nothing to see here.
[11:05] <Fudge> saint, that's an Elmo quote
[11:05] <RahulAN> http://codepad.org/t9SyiU1U this is what i got by lsusb -vvvvv
[11:06] <RahulAN> ShorTie, [ 8044.616189] btusb: disagrees about version of symbol module_layout
[11:07] <RahulAN> http://codepad.org/X0stXeqf this is dmesg
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[11:09] <ShorTie> i don't see any good driver info, is it supported in linux ??
[11:12] <[Saint]> should be covered by btusb
[11:13] <[Saint]> have you, by any chance, installed the 'bluetooth' package?
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[11:14] <[Saint]> I don't recall if that's a debian default or not.
[11:14] <ShorTie> http://elinux.org/RPi_USB_Bluetooth_adapters might help
[11:15] <[Saint]> looks like it needs bluez, which bluetooth'll bring in.
[11:15] <[Saint]> aha - yep, thanks ShorTie.
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[11:20] <RahulAN> Yes it is supported
[11:20] <RahulAN> and i used it over Pi also but now it isn']t working
[11:21] <RahulAN> [Saint], i installed bluez bluez-utils
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[11:25] <RahulAN> i tried to do service bluetooth start I got Can't open RFCOMM control socket: Address family not supported by protocol
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[11:47] <Fudge> [ ok ] Starting bluetooth: bluetoothd rfcomm.
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[12:04] <[Saint]> sync && sync && shutdown -h now
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[12:04] <[Saint]> whoops.
[12:06] <Fudge> saint!!!! you just shut my machine down
[12:06] <Fudge> oh no you didnt, im still here :p
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[12:09] <RahulAN> Got BT working :D
[12:09] <RahulAN> i don't know how but after reboot it started
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[12:55] <Fudge> yay
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[13:22] <Fudge> ok if i can l2ping my bluetooth headset does that mean it is paired?
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[14:24] <evil_dan2wik> Can I run a virtual machine on a Pi?
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[14:26] <[Saint]> No.
[14:27] <[Saint]> Rephrased, it seems a lot sillier:
[14:28] <[Saint]> "Can I run multiple OSes in a device that can barely run a single OS?"
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[14:28] <[Saint]> ...I'll let that sink in. :)
[14:29] <tz> ...could be referring to Lua or whatnot
[14:29] <tz> but I fear you may have assumed correctly
[14:31] <[Saint]> One wouldn't call an LUA interpreter a virtual machine I would think.
[14:31] <neutrino> evil_dan2wik: why would you want to run a virtual machine on the pi ?
[14:31] <neutrino> just curious
[14:32] <neutrino> pls dont say "to run windows" lol
[14:32] <[Saint]> Masochism.
[14:32] <[Saint]> Only reasonable explanation
[14:32] <evil_dan2wik> To run windows.
[14:32] <evil_dan2wik> Windows 95
[14:33] <neutrino> holy shit ; im psuchic
[14:33] <neutrino> psychic
[14:33] <neutrino> or you are pulling my leg .. ha ha
[14:34] <evil_dan2wik> I was going to show windows 95 to a friend.
[14:34] <[Saint]> Not in a VM on a raspi you're not.
[14:35] <neutrino> oh .. hmmm .. why dont you just show it on a VM on your PC
[14:35] <evil_dan2wik> My PC is too fast.
[14:35] <evil_dan2wik> It loads almost instantly
[14:35] <evil_dan2wik> I want him to know how slow it is to start up.
[14:36] <neutrino> lol .. if you want to show a comparison like that then you have to do it on the same machine we had in the 90's
[14:36] <[Saint]> A virtual machine wouldn't ever be a fair test
[14:37] <evil_dan2wik> neutrino, but I won't cart that to school.
[14:37] <neutrino> see i could technically write an x86 emulator on an arduino and it would take forever for windows 95 to boot
[14:38] * [Saint] suspects a video will suffice and that many examples exist
[14:38] <neutrino> a video for ?
[14:38] <tz> bootup
[14:38] <neutrino> ha ha yeah .. lol
[14:38] <[Saint]> Showing boot on a legacy machine
[14:39] <tz> qemu on pi, kgo
[14:39] <evil_dan2wik> k, installing now.
[14:39] <neutrino> qemu works on pi ?
[14:40] <tz> http://www.raspberrypi.org/forums/viewtopic.php?t=10635
[14:40] <tz> apparently so
[14:40] * [Saint] should point our that his "No." wasn't really a hard no, more of a "No. That's a really really silly idea."
[14:40] <neutrino> oh cool ;
[14:40] <[Saint]> *point out
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[14:40] <neutrino> does arm have an equivalent of the intel VTx?
[14:41] <[Saint]> Poor thing barely runs Debian and LXDE.
[14:41] <[Saint]> So, naturally, two OSes and an abstraction layer can only be better...right? ;)
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[14:41] <neutrino> not necesarily the Soc on the pi
[14:41] <tz> ok, now this is masochistic: http://www.raspberrypi.org/forums/viewtopic.php?f=62&t=6014
[14:41] <neutrino> ARM in general
[14:42] <tz> "Started at the same time. OS X booted in 3 hours, Windows is still at the welcome screen after 5 hours.
[14:42] <tz> "
[14:42] <neutrino> (y)
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[14:43] <[Saint]> Runs. All services disabled.
[14:43] <[Saint]> ...slightly contradictory.
[14:43] <tz> aka, "runs"
[14:43] <[Saint]> Indeed.
[14:43] * tz goes back to std::initializer_list'ifying his code
[14:44] <evil_dan2wik> Windows 95 is installed and booting.
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[14:47] <neutrino> evil_dan2wik: nice your friend is going to think that people were very very patient back then
[14:47] <neutrino> :P
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[14:48] <evil_dan2wik> It is done booting.
[14:48] <evil_dan2wik> only 10 minutes.
[14:48] <[Saint]> Timestamps say you lie.
[14:49] <evil_dan2wik> ?
[14:49] <evil_dan2wik> from install to boot, 10 minutes.
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[14:51] <[Saint]> Ah. The impression given was a full 10 minutes booting when there was less than 4 between messages. But the latter makes a lot more sense.
[14:52] <evil_dan2wik> yeah.
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[15:42] <GrayShade> why do I have wm8804 and pcm5122 in /sys/bus/i2c? as far as I can see, these are some i2s sound cards, which I don't have, so I don't load their drivers
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[16:04] <kpax> Hi! Got my camera installed in a regular pi case. Thinking of using it as a web camera (simple). Is there any simple way I can protect the camera board?
[16:05] <kpax> I guessing that you should not touch the camera board while active nor should it come in contact with metal?
[16:05] <kpax> Could tape work?
[16:07] <Encrypt> kpax, Electrical tape, yes
[16:07] <kpax> not very good at electronics, just want it safe
[16:07] <Encrypt> Such as chatterton
[16:07] <Encrypt> That's a sturdy tape
[16:08] <kpax> yeah i think ive got some electric tape
[16:08] <Encrypt> kpax, By the way, I think I can see a ground plane on the camera board
[16:08] <Encrypt> That means that the "green surface" (tracks apart) is the ground
[16:08] <Encrypt> So it's better not to make it touch any other wire
[16:09] <pksato> buy a case for camera.
[16:09] <Encrypt> This is also a solution :P
[16:09] <kpax> Yeah i will but they are sold out here so it will take days and I can't wait :P
[16:09] <kpax> if i break it ill get a new one
[16:09] <kpax> any recommended cases?
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[16:10] <kpax> pice seem nice, http://elsondesigns.com/pice, but i rather have one that has the camera on the long side
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[16:11] <pksato> http://codeincluded.blogspot.com.br/2013/09/raspberrypi-camera-case-midweek-my.html
[16:12] <GrayShade> haha
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[16:12] <kpax> what about making a tiny hole in the antistatic bag that comes with it?
[16:13] <pksato> kpax: after mount, static is not big problem. Except on extreme conditions.
[16:13] <kpax> Or just using a corner, then put normal tape outside the seal it?
[16:14] <kpax> but the bag won't lead electric currents right?
[16:14] <pksato> You finger make sparks if close to metalic object?
[16:14] <kpax> my hand is a tesla, is that a problem?
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[16:15] <silenius> hi, anyone knows a working solution to power a pie flow a single lithium cell?
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[16:16] <silenius> ie 3-4V to 5V converter
[16:17] <pksato> silenius: buy one on sites like dx.com
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[16:22] <home> yo
[16:22] <home> anyone got streaming with RPI camera working
[16:22] <home> I can't get RTMP to work
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[16:29] <kpax> This is how you do it. He stole my idea: http://ryanveach.com/?p=180
[16:29] <kpax> but is it smart?
[16:30] <[Saint]> FWIW, regarding ESD, accidental ESD resulting in non-operation of consumer grade electronics is so uncommon it may as well be unicorn crap.
[16:30] <[Saint]> Lot of these "sensitive" components will survive being zapped directly with a piezoelectric ignitor
[16:31] <kpax> Im more interested in avoiding short circuiting it
[16:32] <[Saint]> Fun fact: many "ESD proof" bags are plainly lying, too.
[16:32] <kpax> is cardboard safe to put around the camera and the just tape?
[16:32] <kpax> then just*
[16:32] <[Saint]> Lots of them will happily carry a charge.
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[16:33] <[Saint]> ...are you poking wires at it?
[16:33] <[Saint]> If no. I'd say don't worry.
[16:33] <kpax> I goind to keep it in a locker with my router
[16:33] <kpax> lots of other cables
[16:33] <kpax> its a metal locker
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[16:34] <[Saint]> Assumedly not bare metal cables.
[16:34] <[Saint]> You're overthinking this I believe.
[16:34] <kpax> would it be safe (electronic and firewise) to just make a small hole in the bag and tape the exits?
[16:34] <kpax> should i just let it be free then?
[16:35] <kpax> if metal would touch the back of the chip wouldn't it risk short circuit it?
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[16:36] <[Saint]> The same could be said of handling it directly.
[16:36] <[Saint]> Humans are conductive too.
[16:36] <[Saint]> Its not a very real concern.
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[16:37] <pksato> use some candy box to install cam. module.
[16:38] <[Saint]> Metaquestion: Where is this locker situated?
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[16:40] <kpax> Its my router locker next to my computer, containing the pi, router and fiber connections
[16:41] <[Saint]> As for fire risk, I'd be more worried about the time bomb you're using to power it.
[16:41] <kpax> but if a touch the camera directly when active will it not be short cirtcuit or give me a small buzz?
[16:42] <kpax> to small current?
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[16:42] <[Saint]> Oh. Whoops. Sorry. Mixed up my peopleses...es.
[16:43] <pksato> kpax: no. but, have exceptions (like all eletricity related).
[16:43] <[Saint]> kpax: just use common sense and only ever handle the edges of the PCB.
[16:43] <kpax> haven't studied electricity for more then 15 years
[16:44] <[Saint]> And always work with a static strap.
[16:44] <[Saint]> Always.
[16:44] <pksato> or static free room.
[16:45] <[Saint]> You'd still be ground tethered there anyway.
[16:45] <[Saint]> No such thing as a static free room, really.
[16:46] <pksato> yes. room without material that generate static eletricity.
[16:46] <[Saint]> Statistically probably free of static room, perhaps. But I'd still ground tether.
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[16:46] <[Saint]> That would include humans. ;)
[16:47] <[Saint]> So, not really applicable.
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[16:47] <pksato> and clothes.
[16:47] <[Saint]> Unless you're in a static free room, and are also bald and naked.
[16:47] <[Saint]> #engineeringkinks
[16:48] <[Saint]> But, even then it would still be possible to build a mild static charge if you weren't ground tethered.
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[16:50] <silenius> home, i have, but local network only for now
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[16:54] <[Saint]> ....huh?
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[16:56] <[Saint]> Heh. Cute.
[16:56] <[Saint]> Just noticed the author of that camera module case thread mentioned cooling as a concern.
[16:56] <[Saint]> I wonder if he lives in Death Valley.
[16:57] <[Saint]> If not, he /probably/ shouldn't worry.
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[17:00] <[Saint]> Nope. Another kiwi.
[17:01] <[Saint]> There's only 4.2M of us and we're bloody well everywhere... Its creepy
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[17:21] <home> silenius, tell me more
[17:22] <silenius> home, what exactly do you want to know?
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[17:22] <home> silenius, how you got it working
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[17:22] <home> so ffmpeg has failed me :/
[17:22] <silenius> i just run " nc -l -p 5001 | mplayer -fps 31 -cache 1024 - " on my laptop
[17:22] <home> hows the latency
[17:23] <home> I am on Windows btw
[17:23] <silenius> ~2s
[17:23] <home> but will try with a VM
[17:23] <silenius> no need, theres a win client too
[17:23] <silenius> http://www.raspberrypi.org/camera-board-available-for-sale/ read this :)
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[17:26] <silenius> and this too http://picamera.readthedocs.org/en/latest/recipes1.html
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[18:04] <mortal> http://www.win-raid.com/t58f16-Guide-Recover-from-failed-BIOS-flash-using-Raspberry-PI.html where is the GPIO 19 in this schematic
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[18:39] <[Saint]> mortal: ummm...there's a numbered diagram right under a correctly oriented picture of the actual board
[18:43] <[Saint]> Oh. Never mind. I see the confusion.
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[18:49] <[Saint]> Judging by the age of the topic I think it's safe to assume that the poster means GPIO pin 19…but the edit is new enough that it may actually refer to GPIO19 pin 35 on a B+
[18:50] <[Saint]> Woo! Ambiguity!
[18:53] <[Saint]> I'm putting my money on it being *pin* 19, GPIO10
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[19:05] <[Saint]> Yeah. Pin 19 GPIO10 is pretty much a guarantee.
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[19:11] <erry> which desktop environment work nicely with a raspberry pi and small touch screen?
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[19:14] <shiftplusone> not sure DEs and touch screens go well together in general. I'd consider stealing pandora's custom gui thing.
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[19:18] <blockh34d> erry i'm available for custom UI work if you'd like to consider custom options
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[19:19] <blockh34d> i am trying to develop more IRC based income to pay for the supplies i need for other projects so let me know if you want to figure something out.
[19:19] <blockh34d> its how i would handle that problem
[19:20] <blockh34d> if you care to roll your own i would recommend python and pi3d
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[19:23] <erry> hm
[19:23] <erry> e17's touch option is a bit nice
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[19:24] <blockh34d> maybe i should make something like that for general purpose
[19:24] <blockh34d> i ahve a game engine i've but together that has most of the basic UI elements already, can be skinned and sized however, works at any resolution etc
[19:25] <blockh34d> i just need to make some income... none of htese free projects i'm doing ever make me a dime and i'm just too poor for that
[19:25] <blockh34d> ever/never
[19:25] <dunz0r> blockh34d: Put up a donate-button somewhere, you might be surprised. I generally donate to projects that I like/use.
[19:25] <blockh34d> dunz0r: its on my pi store app
[19:25] <blockh34d> has apparently never been clicked
[19:25] <blockh34d> its a well rated app too
[19:26] <blockh34d> never done anything to limit the app either, no demos or ads or anything
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[19:26] <blockh34d> i appreciate the suggestion maybe my kickstarter will gain some traction
[19:27] <blockh34d> honestly i'm kinda pessimistic but who knows
[19:28] <blockh34d> i just want to make this pi based HMD
[19:28] <blockh34d> but the supply costs add up pretty fast
[19:28] <MY123> erry: E17 works really well with Wayland EGL on a Pi.
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[19:28] <MY123> (60fps at 1360*768)
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[19:29] <silenius> hi, anyone knows how i get the camera status led to turn on?
[19:29] <blockh34d> yah my opengles2 games get 50+ fps even with bulletstorm stuff going on
[19:29] <blockh34d> pi gpu is very nice
[19:29] <silenius> and no, i did not disable it..
[19:29] <blockh34d> silenius: odd for me the struggle has alwasy been the other direction, turning that crazy over-bright sucker off
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[19:30] <blockh34d> silenius: are you sure the picam is enabled?
[19:30] <blockh34d> i think its in raspi-config where you would enable it
[19:30] <silenius> blockh34d, no, i used raspvid command
[19:30] <silenius> and it got me a video
[19:30] <blockh34d> silenius: and it worked?
[19:30] <silenius> yeah
[19:30] <silenius> video is fine
[19:31] <blockh34d> cause i'm used to needing to run raspi-config and then 'enable camera'
[19:31] <blockh34d> maybe you should try that
[19:31] <silenius> ok
[19:31] <silenius> still no led
[19:31] <blockh34d> MY123: yah i get 50+ fps even at 1920x1080
[19:32] <blockh34d> silenius: might need to reboot
[19:32] <shiftplusone> blockh34d, there's a config.txt option to runt it off.
[19:32] <silenius> (its a noir, if that matters)
[19:32] <silenius> blockh34d, did reboot
[19:32] <blockh34d> silenius: so are mine
[19:32] <shiftplusone> silenius, it comes on automagically whenever the camera is accessed.
[19:32] <blockh34d> silenius: thats odd gotta say i'm not sure whats going on there
[19:32] <blockh34d> silenius: really sounds like you somehow disabled it
[19:32] <shiftplusone> silenius, you're able to use the camera, but the LED doesn't come on?
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[19:32] <shiftplusone> pastebin your config.txt?
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[19:36] <silenius> http://paste.debian.net/114010/
[19:36] <shiftplusone> that all looks good
[19:36] <shiftplusone> which model pi do you have?
[19:37] <blockh34d> i thought there was another config file
[19:37] <silenius> b+
[19:37] <silenius> came today
[19:37] <silenius> with the cam
[19:37] <shiftplusone> what does vcgencmd version say?
[19:37] <blockh34d> that other config file is wher ei'm used to that option being
[19:37] <blockh34d> whats the name now i can't rmember
[19:37] <shiftplusone> silenius, do you have wiringpi installed? It could help figure out what's going on
[19:38] <silenius> version 1a6f79b82240693dcdb9347b33ab16f656b5f067 (clean) (release)
[19:38] <silenius> shiftplusone, not yet
[19:38] <shiftplusone> silenius, what's the date above that?
[19:38] <silenius> june 18
[19:39] <shiftplusone> try running rpi-update and rebooting
[19:39] <blockh34d> http://www.raspberrypi-spy.co.uk/2013/05/how-to-disable-the-red-led-on-the-pi-camera-module/
[19:39] <blockh34d> silenius: i'd be curious waht that python script does for you
[19:39] <silenius> ok, this will take a while now, because im running headless
[19:40] <blockh34d> also i guess it is config.txt but i swear there was another little config file i have to mess with for some stuff
[19:40] <silenius> rc.local?
[19:40] <shiftplusone> Then we can use wiringpi to poke the pin directly to make sure it's set up right and that we can poke it. If we can, there's a firmware issue which will need to be addressed.
[19:40] <blockh34d> shiftplusone: any idea what it is i'm thinking of? kinda having some issues here with sleep deprivation
[19:40] <silenius> shiftplusone, whats the package name?
[19:40] <shiftplusone> blockh34d, nope, you're talking nonsense =P
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[19:41] <shiftplusone> silenius, package name for what? wiringpi?
[19:41] <silenius> yeah
[19:41] <silenius> cant find it
[19:41] <shiftplusone> http://wiringpi.com/download-and-install/
[19:41] <shiftplusone> no package
[19:41] <silenius> alright
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[19:41] <silenius> ill come back when theres something new to tell
[19:42] <shiftplusone> good luck
[19:42] <silenius> thx, bb
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[19:42] <blockh34d> dang i swear there was another one and it wasnt config.txt
[19:42] <blockh34d> now i want to track it down
[19:42] <blockh34d> everything all on one line
[19:42] <shiftplusone> cmdline.txt?
[19:42] <blockh34d> big long line
[19:42] <blockh34d> could be
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[19:43] <shiftplusone> there's a camera led option there, but I think that's set by the firmware
[19:43] <blockh34d> well ok then there we go i'm not crazy
[19:43] <shiftplusone> maybe you can override it, but I'm not sure.
[19:43] <blockh34d> or 'talking nonsense' :P
[19:43] <shiftplusone> Too lazy to get the work laptop and check how that's set.
[19:44] <shiftplusone> actually, no, I was thinking of the cmdline.txt disk activity pin setting
[19:44] <silenius> hah! led on!
[19:44] <shiftplusone> not sure where you got cmdline.txt having anything to do with the came though, but you might know something I don't.
[19:44] <shiftplusone> silenius, firmware update?
[19:45] <silenius> yep
[19:45] <silenius> did not even know that option existed^^
[19:45] <shiftplusone> I guess that june firmware was well before gpioman and the pins were set up wrong.
[19:46] <silenius> shiftplusone, suspect youre ritht, i only got a pi today^^
[19:46] <silenius> want to make a cheap actioncam
[19:47] <shiftplusone> cool
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[19:50] <silenius> is it safe to power the pi from gpio pins?
[19:50] <blockh34d> shiftplusone: i think i figured out what i was thinking of
[19:51] <silenius> with relieable 5v
[19:51] <blockh34d> if you tweak cmdline.txt you can disable some of RPI's status led's
[19:51] <blockh34d> bcm2708.disk_led_gpio=17 bcm2708.disk_led_active_low=0
[19:51] <shiftplusone> blockh34d, aye, but does that not get overwritten by the firmware?
[19:51] <blockh34d> not sure if that applies to camera led at all though. probably not.
[19:51] <blockh34d> beats me
[19:51] <blockh34d> really no idea
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[19:51] <shiftplusone> silenius, for the most part. You're bypassing some input protection, but it'll work.
[19:51] <blockh34d> it just bugged me i couldnt remember the file, at first, and then why it came to mind at all, after
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[19:52] <silenius> shiftplusone, will 5.3v constant be a problem?
[19:52] <shiftplusone> that's a bit on the high side
[19:53] <silenius> ok, then ill use a dc/dc
[19:53] <shiftplusone> 5.3 from phone charger is usually not a problem, since the cable resistance drops it a little bit, but 5.3v straight to gpio.... I don't know.
[19:54] <MY123> shiftplusone: Mine works on 5,6V at TP1-TP2.
[19:54] <shiftplusone> until it stops
[19:54] <silenius> shiftplusone, its from a servo out, so real 5.3
[19:55] <silenius> can i get the video stream to use less buffer?
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[19:55] <silenius> it lags a few seconds behind
[19:55] <shiftplusone> are you using gstreamer or what?
[19:55] <MY123> shiftplusone: It is a B+ and the uptime is 2hours now. Doesn't know if it will last very long (yet).
[19:56] <MY123> ( was just with a 12V to 5,6V resistance "regulator")
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[19:56] <MY123> *resistor
[19:56] <silenius> shiftplusone, vlc for now
[19:56] <shiftplusone> MY123, probably won't be a problem, since the pi mostly runs on 3.3v
[19:57] <blockh34d> when is compute module available?
[19:57] <silenius> because my router block ncat
[19:57] <shiftplusone> blockh34d, without the dev kit?
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[19:57] <blockh34d> shiftplusone: or with, whatever
[19:57] <blockh34d> but yah without better
[19:57] <shiftplusone> afaik, the dev kit is available now, unless it's sold out
[19:58] <blockh34d> ic thanks
[19:58] <shiftplusone> don't know when the compute module will be available separately, but there will be a minimum order quantity
[19:58] <blockh34d> i'd rather use compute modules with my hmd
[19:58] <blockh34d> wut? like what?
[19:58] <blockh34d> thats ridiculous
[19:58] <shiftplusone> check the blog post, I think it's 100
[19:58] <blockh34d> and thats how it'll be forever or just at first?
[19:58] <shiftplusone> but I'm sure there will be plenty of sellers buying in bulk and selling separately.
[19:59] <shiftplusone> I am not sure
[19:59] <blockh34d> thats kinda screwed up
[19:59] <shiftplusone> you're not really the target market for the compute module, so they don't care too much.
[19:59] <blockh34d> why not? i'm making hardware
[19:59] <blockh34d> http://s13.postimg.org/kvykdw2dz/IMG_2521.jpg
[19:59] <shiftplusone> aye, but not high volume industrial stuff that the CM is designed for.
[19:59] <blockh34d> looks like target market of CM to me
[20:00] <blockh34d> well what self respecting high volume industrial application uses raspberry pi's?
[20:00] <blockh34d> they'd laugh at them
[20:00] <blockh34d> they do, i see it all day
[20:00] <shiftplusone> blockh34d, plenty. CM is not really considered a 'raspberry pi', but a separate thing.
[20:00] <blockh34d> ahh maybe rpi is finally chugging the evil sauce
[20:01] <shiftplusone> how so? O_o
[20:01] <blockh34d> guess it happens to everyone eventually
[20:01] <blockh34d> cause how is 'must buy 100 or more' accessible to people?
[20:01] <blockh34d> its intentionally blocking out the little guy
[20:01] <blockh34d> and inflating prices with pointless middlemen
[20:01] <shiftplusone> If you choose to see it that way, I guess it comes across as evil.
[20:01] <blockh34d> it stiffles small dev's
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[20:02] <blockh34d> and i thought the whole point of the rpi was to cultivate that
[20:02] <shiftplusone> the CM alone is pretty useless for small devs
[20:02] <blockh34d> i dont see that as true
[20:02] <shiftplusone> designing a base board for it is not trivial
[20:02] <blockh34d> it looks useful for me
[20:02] <blockh34d> i'm 3d printed circuit board equivilants
[20:02] <shiftplusone> but yes, I think the CM is unashamedly not for the little guy.
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[20:02] <blockh34d> why bother
[20:03] <blockh34d> way better off with a odroid u3
[20:03] <blockh34d> or raxio or BBB
[20:03] <shiftplusone> to each his own.
[20:03] <blockh34d> only thing rpi has going for it is support for the little guy
[20:03] <blockh34d> if they throw that out the window they are useless
[20:03] <shiftplusone> I still like the raspberry pi and the new B+, even though the CM is not for me.
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[20:04] <blockh34d> enh, rpi is painfully outdated already
[20:04] <blockh34d> seriously the community is the only thing that keeps it going
[20:04] <blockh34d> and minimum orders of 100 of something is not going to help the community
[20:04] <shiftplusone> If they put such limits on their flagship product, then I'd be complaining too, but if they branch out and do other things on top of the normal raspberry pi, I don't care.
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[20:05] <blockh34d> well i guess i'll have to start branching out into other micros sooner than expected then
[20:05] <blockh34d> not going to get shoehorned into something like that
[20:05] <MY123> blockh34d: The VideoCore GPU in the Pi has twice the processing power as the Mali400-MP2 in the Allwinner A20.
[20:05] <blockh34d> MY123: and that helps out indie hardware devs how?
[20:05] <MY123> (So no outdated technically yet)
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[20:06] <blockh34d> the CM is not geared towards even having a display
[20:06] <blockh34d> so the GPU is meh, secondary at best
[20:06] <blockh34d> and if its out of the picture, the rest is unimpressive
[20:06] <blockh34d> or even woafully inadequate (usb)
[20:06] <MY123> blockh34d: What do you *exactly* need ? The Pi GPU is GPGPU capable.
[20:06] <shiftplusone> USB is fine too.
[20:07] <blockh34d> MY123: i need small orders of rpi's in more compact form factor
[20:07] <blockh34d> cause its better than desoldering the jacks off of it for my HMD
[20:07] <blockh34d> which i just posted a link to
[20:07] <blockh34d> take a look at the pic and what i need CM for should be obvious
[20:07] <blockh34d> also obvious is why they should want me to have them
[20:08] <blockh34d> cause if made an 'occulus thrift' made out of raspberry pi's, its nothing but good for foundation
[20:08] <blockh34d> so those min orders push me out and indirectly shoot themselves int he foot
[20:08] <shiftplusone> Heh, and I did put a lot of time in getting dualcam working on the CM, so it would be nice if that didn't go to waste =D
[20:08] <blockh34d> shiftplusone: hows that work btw, i heard you have to disable two of th einputs or remap them or something, then you can have two picams on cm?
[20:09] <blockh34d> and if i can't make my hmd support rpi, i wont be making rpi exclussive games
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[20:09] <blockh34d> and that just further shorts them
[20:09] <MY123> shiftplusone: Developing a driver for the Synopsis HS-OTG USB controller is awful. Currently just enumerating devices for Freeblob ( uCLinux is the goal, for now)
[20:09] <blockh34d> its just a bad call
[20:09] <shiftplusone> sec
[20:10] <shiftplusone> https://github.com/XECDesign/documentation/blob/dualcam/hardware/computemodule/cmio-camera.md
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[20:10] <blockh34d> thanks
[20:10] <shiftplusone> blockh34d, why would you want to make something rpi-exclusive?
[20:10] <blockh34d> shiftplusone: to draw more users to the rpi platform, of course
[20:10] <shiftplusone> I try to keep my code as portable as possible.
[20:10] <blockh34d> not me
[20:10] <blockh34d> i want people using RPI and nothing else
[20:11] <blockh34d> until more non-profit based companys arise
[20:11] <blockh34d> non-profit gets all my loyalty
[20:11] <blockh34d> but if they throw that out, i'll take my energies elsewhere
[20:11] <shiftplusone> I don't think the pi is lacking users. When it comes to games, you have a fair few decent emulators, which means thousands of games.
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[20:12] <blockh34d> yah but no real reason to use rpi for them
[20:12] <blockh34d> you could play those same games on anything
[20:12] <blockh34d> also they dont really make the best use of the gpu
[20:12] <shiftplusone> Aye, but you think somebody would by a pi to play a game?
[20:12] <blockh34d> ie gpu can do way more than most emulators ask of it
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[20:12] <blockh34d> no but they might be more inclined to get one 'for school' if they knew after school they could take it to their buddies place and lan party with it
[20:13] <shiftplusone> There are lots of PS4 exclusive games which I would REALLY like to play, but I'm not going to buy a PS4... if anything, that turns me off the PS4. I hate exclusive things like that.
[20:13] <blockh34d> so my games are focused on multiplayer party gaming
[20:13] <blockh34d> since that seems like a strength of the pi
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[20:13] <MY123> blockh34d: There is a second general-purpose Dual-Core CPU in the Pi(with SIMD extensions, can decode 720p Theora in SW), but is only dual-issue at 250MHz. Anyway, for reverse-enginnering only currently. The start.elf runs on that.
[20:13] <blockh34d> emulators are not particularly good for party games
[20:14] <blockh34d> MY123: yah i have thoughts of uusing the QPU's for my helmets wearable LIDAR functionality
[20:14] <blockh34d> but i wont make something people dont get to make
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[20:15] <blockh34d> its open source, i'm not trying to open a business making these things
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[20:15] <shiftplusone> blockh34d, in all honesty, is that helmet thing at all practical?
[20:15] <blockh34d> shiftplusone: wearable LIDAR? ya, very practical.
[20:16] <blockh34d> a 3d scanner that scans in eveyrthing you see? yah sounds super practical to me.
[20:16] <MY123> blockh34d: I'm not talking about the QPUs but the full-fledged VPU running an RTOS. It has currently C89 (ANSI C) support with open-source tools.
[20:16] <blockh34d> also its AR and VR
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[20:16] <blockh34d> maybe that version looks clunky but i did not have a 3d printer yet when i made it
[20:16] <blockh34d> now i have a 3d printer and can design and print my own housing
[20:16] <blockh34d> and it will look like a million bucks when i do
[20:17] <shiftplusone> Aye, but what does it look like when you actually put it on?
[20:17] <blockh34d> i just ordered a batch of new imu's to get the tilt/orientation better sorted
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[20:17] <blockh34d> shiftplusone: 160 dgree field of view night vision
[20:17] <blockh34d> with 40+ fps
[20:17] <blockh34d> that runs off batteries for 3 days
[20:17] <blockh34d> its already pretty handy.
[20:17] <blockh34d> and thats without any real code
[20:18] <blockh34d> hell i could have it at 100+fps at the resolutions i'm actually using it at
[20:18] <blockh34d> i jsut happen to be importing HD buffers since i know eventually i'll need them
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[20:20] <blockh34d> working on nylone printed 'circuit boards' i encase in silicon too
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[20:20] <blockh34d> they'll be flexible, lighter than normal PCB's, infinitely more sturdy and waterproof.
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[20:21] <blockh34d> http://postimg.org/image/mbndqosvd/b263039d/ prototype of demonstration circuit using Uno
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[20:21] <blockh34d> http://postimg.org/image/mbndqosvd/ sorry use that link
[20:21] <blockh34d> luakit history gets me everytime
[20:22] <blockh34d> doesnt look like much now but just gimme a minute and i'll have it working with SMD
[20:22] <blockh34d> but what i'm doing is kinda irrelevant
[20:22] <blockh34d> i'm just who's here right now
[20:23] <blockh34d> imagine all the other random weirdos out there doing weird left field projects no one here ever heard of
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[20:23] <silenius> blockh34d, please make a guide :D
[20:23] <silenius> blockh34d, with sources :D
[20:24] <blockh34d> silenius: yah working on it, will be on hackaday and also working on a process to convert existing PCB stencils into the proper plate designs to support 'Embedded Wire Wrap (EWW)' process
[20:24] * silenius wants night vision
[20:24] <blockh34d> i'm calling it EWW for now
[20:24] <blockh34d> silenius: just wait till it works in 'no vision'
[20:24] <silenius> the pcb is near too^^
[20:24] <silenius> *neat
[20:24] <blockh34d> ie it knows your location, and it has a 3d file of your environment
[20:24] <blockh34d> and it can show you a vr version of it, even if that environment is completely non-visible
[20:25] <blockh34d> could be very good for firefighters, etc
[20:25] <silenius> blockh34d, yeah, but thats not so good if someone moved a chair
[20:25] <blockh34d> silenius: yah its not without issues but its better than nothing
[20:25] <silenius> true
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[20:25] <blockh34d> silenius: i'm happy to make a guide, the whole thing is open source
[20:25] <blockh34d> but if rpi makes motions hostile to indie devs, i'm out.
[20:25] <blockh34d> ghost.
[20:26] <silenius> blockh34d, why would they do that?
[20:26] <blockh34d> wouldnt take much either, i dont have time to arm wrestle with them on this stuff, too many other micros out there with better products that want me and other devs on their team
[20:26] <blockh34d> silenius: i could not begin to tell you why
[20:26] <blockh34d> i guess they imagine theres more profit that way?
[20:26] <blockh34d> maybe i just dont understand
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[20:27] <blockh34d> i'm very very sleep deprived right now
[20:27] <blockh34d> the effect of that shouldnt be underestimated
[20:27] <silenius> blockh34d, from what i understood, they dont want profit..
[20:27] <blockh34d> silenius: then why force minimum orders for their new compute module?
[20:27] <blockh34d> minimum order = 100 pieces apparently
[20:27] <silenius> blockh34d, they do??
[20:27] <blockh34d> according to shiftplusone yes
[20:28] <blockh34d> seems pretty hostile to indies to me
[20:28] <shiftplusone> How can you say something is hostile to a group it's not designed for?
[20:28] <blockh34d> shiftplusone: rpi has always been for the little guy
[20:28] <shiftplusone> And still is, but the CM is NOT the same thing.
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[20:28] <blockh34d> yah it is cmon lets be real
[20:28] <shiftplusone> There's the raspberry pi... for us. And there's the CM.... not for us.
[20:28] <blockh34d> its the same thing with less ports
[20:29] <blockh34d> ok well, they lost me at 'not for us'
[20:29] <blockh34d> cause what if i want it
[20:29] <blockh34d> oh well?
[20:29] <blockh34d> scrwe that.
[20:29] <blockh34d> other micros want developers
[20:29] <blockh34d> and will treat us better
[20:29] <blockh34d> so, ok then
[20:29] <blockh34d> if thats what rpi wants, thats what they'll get
[20:29] <shiftplusone> Meh, it's all the same ecosystem
[20:29] <blockh34d> they can be tomorrows 'snowball'
[20:30] <blockh34d> hell i'm trying to fuse rpi with 3d printing
[20:30] <blockh34d> but now that sounds like its just helping them hurt me
[20:30] <blockh34d> so why bother
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[20:31] <silenius> blockh34d, you can get a CM from RS
[20:31] <Jusii> just skimmed through this blog post about cloning raspberry pi sdcard, looks good http://sysmatt.blogspot.fi/2014/08/backup-restore-customize-and-clone-your.html
[20:31] <silenius> for 200$
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[20:32] <Jusii> for all those just dd'ing cards back and forth
[20:32] <blockh34d> silenius: yah but with RS profit tacked on, i'm sure
[20:32] <silenius> blockh34d, http://uk.rs-online.com/web/p/processor-microcontroller-development-kits/8134164/
[20:32] <blockh34d> profit is something i am strongly opposed to
[20:33] <blockh34d> thats the dev kit
[20:33] <blockh34d> what about individual CM's?
[20:33] <silenius> blockh34d, i think the issue is, rpi does not has the manpower to deal with individual customers themselves
[20:33] <blockh34d> silenius: so follow the same distrobution pattern they implemented so far
[20:34] <blockh34d> whats wrong with whatever put millions of these things in peoples hands?
[20:35] <silenius> blockh34d, i think the problem is, not many people are wanting the CM without the IO board
[20:36] <blockh34d> may be
[20:36] <silenius> blockh34d, maybe ask RS if they can get you one
[20:36] <shiftplusone> blockh34d, it would be a bit like me saying you're evil for not making pants for short people. You're being hostile to short people. Why? You already spend time doing other things, which you could spend making pants.
[20:36] <blockh34d> again i'm very tired, not exactly rational
[20:36] <blockh34d> shiftplusone: if i made pants, at all, i'd make them for as many people as possible
[20:36] <silenius> shiftplusone, im used to not geting pants that fit..
[20:36] <blockh34d> case in point, my pistore app
[20:36] <shiftplusone> >_<
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[20:37] <blockh34d> it has, from day 1, been 100% free and actively encouraged users to send me any feature requests
[20:37] <blockh34d> also i just translated it into russian
[20:37] <silenius> but i just got too long legs..
[20:37] <blockh34d> and am translating it into many more languages now
[20:37] <blockh34d> so you see i do support as many possible pants types as is reasonable
[20:37] <blockh34d> russian pants, czech pants, all kinds of pants
[20:37] <silenius> blockh34d, but i want long pants
[20:38] <shiftplusone> Way to take the most ridiculous simile I could think of and make it serious XD
[20:38] <shiftplusone> Anyway, we'll see how it goes. I'll be honest and say that you seem a little melodramatic about it to me, but who knows.
[20:39] <lost_soul> yay, found a new psu to hack up and try
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[20:39] <lost_soul> hopefully this one keeps it from freezing
[20:40] <King_DuckZ> hello, I'm trying to get my SDL2 game to work on my rpi, it's really really slow atm - I seem to understand I have to call bcm_host_init() and bcm_host_deinit() in my code, is that correct?
[20:40] <King_DuckZ> if so, how do I find the inclusion path to pass to the compiler? (I'm using cmake and c++)
[20:41] <blockh34d> shiftplusone: yah i realize i may be reacting a little overboard, trying to put my mind on something else i just have a lot of stresses right now and they weigh kind heavy
[20:41] <blockh34d> anyways, i'm going to go do soemthing else, more productive
[20:41] <blockh34d> have a nice day thanks for hte info and link shiftplusone
[20:42] <shiftplusone> blockh34d, you too
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[20:42] <blockh34d> see ya silenius email greyworld@gmail.com 'openeyes beta' if you want me to notify you when i make progress on my project
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[20:50] <silenius> blockh34d, thanks
[20:54] <james_olympus> King_DuckZ: All the video core headers and libraries are under /opt/vc
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[20:58] <MY123> james_olympus: Not all. Much are in the Feb. BCM release .
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[21:01] <King_DuckZ> james_olympus: yep thanks, I found it, I'm rebuilding now, but I have to get ready for the gym :s
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[21:06] <King_DuckZ> I get an error tho: vcos_platform_types.h not found
[21:07] <King_DuckZ> ah typo in my include paths :S
[21:07] <silenius> lol. "pi ups" (6xAA battery holder) at amazon for 60$
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[21:10] <King_DuckZ> is there some Find***.cmake module that I can use instead of hardcoding all those /opt/vc paths in my cmakelists?
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[21:35] <pepijndevos> Why do w1 sensors only work on gpio4? Is that just hardcoded in the driver, or is there specific hardware on that port?
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[21:39] <MY123> pepijndevos: W1 is managed by the advanced bit-banging technology (TM). Hardcoded.
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[21:48] <steve_rox> odd question
[21:48] <steve_rox> does the B+ have a battery warning alert?
[21:49] <MY123> steve_rox: Yes, an under-voltage square at the left of the HDMI output
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[21:50] <steve_rox> ahhh thats what that is
[21:50] <steve_rox> ive experenced it before
[21:51] <steve_rox> thats when i booted it off like two 18650 i think it was
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[21:53] <nath> has anyone around here experiences running drupal sites on raspberry?
[21:54] <steve_rox> so if the rpi can alert of low power i wonder if that means a python script could read it too
[21:54] <MY123> steve_rox: It is a GPIO pin.
[21:54] <silenius> is it normal that i can trigger gpio pins with bare hands? ie touch both contacts..
[21:55] <steve_rox> whats that mean ? :-)
[21:55] <MY123> silenius: If your hand are with water , yes
[21:56] <MY123> steve_rox: You can read GPIO4* to have the value. The number is on the full shematic ( have the 1.0 one ).
[21:57] <steve_rox> ill have to see a tutorial or something on it
[21:58] <MY123> nath: Have experience with 300MHz ARMv5. (low-power)
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[22:07] <silenius> thats funny.. as soon as i touch the gpio with the jumer, it triggers,
[22:07] <silenius> without ground
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[22:08] <MY123> silenius: Yours feet are the ground
[22:08] <silenius> i dont even tough the other end of the jumper cable
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[22:09] <silenius> the potential difference from 5cm thin copper wire seems to be enough
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[23:23] * [Saint] renames a particular B+ unit "lucky-pi"
[23:24] <[Saint]> It gobbled up 18V on the 3.3V rail and didn't die a horrible, horrible death.
[23:24] <[Saint]> Well done, RPF.
[23:25] <Encrypt> [Saint], How?
[23:26] <[Saint]> ambiguous mounting direction of a GPIO stepper plate.
[23:27] <[Saint]> seems like the 5V rail got 12V too. :)
[23:27] <[Saint]> heh.
[23:27] <Encrypt> Ok :p
[23:27] <[Saint]> By rights, this poor 'lil guy really should've died a nasty death.
[23:27] <[Saint]> at the very least I would've thought it would have wiped out a few pins.
[23:27] <[Saint]> But, nope.
[23:27] <MY123> [Saint]: Try with a B with the VCore at 3.3V.
[23:27] <MY123> (Should be more nasty)
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[23:28] <[Saint]> Which is weird, because I've accidentally put 5V on the 3.3V rail for like...a second, and killed a couple of pis.
[23:28] <[Saint]> Yet this one gobbled up 18V for /quite/ a while with no complaint.
[23:28] <[Saint]> Repeatedly.
[23:29] <MY123> [Saint]: There is apparently a diode.
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[23:29] <MY123> (In the B+)
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[23:29] <[Saint]> Ahhhh, I haven't looked at the schematic, did they make the + a bit more versatile in this regard?
[23:30] <[Saint]> I still would've thought 18V on the 3.3V rail wouldn't be very nice...heh.
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[23:32] <MY123> [Saint]: Killed a PC by putting 120V to the 5V power rail in a PC.
[23:33] <[Saint]> Yeah - that'll likely do it. :)
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[23:37] <kamintears> hiya all, i have trouble starting my pi after a power outage. the red PWR is on, but the green ACT led flashes very briefly in the beginning, after that, nothing happens
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[23:38] <MY123> kamintears: You may need to reflash the SD card.
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[23:39] <shiftplusone> kamintears, flashing in any particular pattern?
[23:39] <shiftplusone> or just a bit of random flashing and then nothing?
[23:39] <kamintears> no one brief flash, then nothing
[23:40] <kamintears> hmm lets see of linux still likes the sd card, thanks for the tip
[23:40] <shiftplusone> Then either messed up sd card or power supply
[23:40] <shiftplusone> or polyfuse
[23:40] <shiftplusone> most likely sd card
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[23:40] <bhez> I've had power outages corrupt my SD cards
[23:41] <bhez> corrupted quite badly. fsck would never successfully finish and I couldn't get my files off of it in a linux laptop
[23:42] <bhez> the SD card was still good; reflashed a fresh raspbian image and it was good
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[23:45] * [Saint] set up a reasonably complicated system for detecting power outages and initiating a safe shutdown.
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[23:45] <[Saint]> I managed to get it into a reasonably small easily hand soldered board.
[23:46] <kamintears> ok linux told me the ext4fs was not ok, i told it to fix it, but the pi still wont boot
[23:46] <[Saint]> I should probably release the schematics thereof.
[23:46] <kamintears> i'll have to do this reflashing probably, never done that before
[23:46] <[Saint]> kamintears: its a lot more likely that the FAT partition is messed up
[23:46] <[Saint]> try replacing the /boot partition contents first
[23:47] <nath> MY123: hows it running?
[23:47] <kamintears> oh? i didnt know
[23:47] * kamintears goes and checks that
[23:47] <nath> MY123: do you run complex sites on it?
[23:47] <[Saint]> just nuke the whole thing and drop in the contents from a fresh image.
[23:47] <[Saint]> there's no permissions on /boot ('cos, FAT), so, just drag&drop.
[23:48] <MY123> nath:Drupal 6. A devel system. Currently on.
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[23:49] <MY123> nath: The Debian package works fine.
[23:49] <nath> MY123: ok, I have been generally never used any further version then 6
[23:49] <nath> MY123: aha so you have been installing it over the distro?
[23:50] <nath> MY123: no manually?
[23:50] <nath> *not
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[23:51] <MY123> nath: Not manually. Manually is just a : ./configure ; make ; sudo make install if you wonder about it.
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[23:56] <kamintears> ok i'm just copying /home/pi to my laptop and then i'll just reflash the whole thing
[23:56] <kamintears> its a new experience for me, the card came with raspbian pre-installed
[23:57] <kamintears> but learning is what its all about :o)
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[23:57] <nath> MY123: when I set up drupal sites for dev. I installed XAMPP into my opt folder and then been able to run different sites in it, that was pretty damn fast, but I did not try on my pi yet....
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[23:58] <MY123> nath: Compile that.
[23:58] <MY123> *recompile if you try
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