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IRC Log for 2014-08-13

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[0:00] <shiftplusone> DanDare, it will start acting like a resistor up until it trips fully and looks like an open circuit.
[0:00] <Mr_Sheesh> polyfuse goes vastly higher resistance if exceeded, then once it cools, drops back to previous resistance
[0:00] <gordonDrogon> yes, the X is 2 merging V's. so with a 7 each side, I took that to be 700mA.
[0:00] <shiftplusone> so it will drop the voltage (bad)
[0:00] <DanDare> yeah, thats why I asked. Its not good
[0:00] <gordonDrogon> The poly on the B/1 is differeny and says 07
[0:00] <GoldDigger> can any of you
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[0:00] <GoldDigger> recommend a 8port network switch
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[0:01] <GoldDigger> is tp link $15 white generic switch fine or should i spend $30 and get a netgear/trendnet ?
[0:01] <DanDare> I initially bypassed the polyfuse (with this mess http://i.imgur.com/e2ekzUB.jpg), but managed to solder it back accordingly
[0:01] <shiftplusone> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Resettable_fuse#Operating_parameters
[0:01] <maybethistime> GoldDigger: if it's just a "dumb" switch that you dont want to configure just get whatever is cheapest
[0:01] <shiftplusone> so I think 700mA is the holding current and the trip current is 1.2A. Would need to check the littlefuse datasheets
[0:01] <GoldDigger> yeah it will basically be a unmanaged switch
[0:02] <GoldDigger> so there is no gains of spending $20 more for a fancy one?
[0:02] <gordonDrogon> the one of my red Pi reads T075
[0:02] <GoldDigger> ie "GREENnet technology reduces power consumption by up to 70%"
[0:02] <maybethistime> ive had a monoprice unmanaged switch for 2 years and its been great
[0:02] <DanDare> I have one for 15 years, still rocking (simple cheap switch)
[0:03] <GoldDigger> thanks guys
[0:03] <GoldDigger> also
[0:03] <maybethistime> nothing to go wrong as long as you don't spill your beer on it ;)
[0:03] <GoldDigger> in which order would you rate
[0:03] <GoldDigger> trendnet, tplink, netgear
[0:03] <maybethistime> netgear sucks
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[0:03] <GoldDigger> didnt netgear use to make some solid stuff? :X
[0:03] <gordonDrogon> I think tplink have come a long way - early on they just looked like clones of DLink stuff..
[0:04] <maybethistime> eh maybe, i wouldn't buy their stuff
[0:04] <gordonDrogon> now I think they have all their own stuff. I just bought a TPlink ADSL modem - and it supports IPv6 out of the box..
[0:04] <maybethistime> tplink seems decent
[0:04] <shiftplusone> hmm... the pi fuses don't look like littlefuse ones
[0:06] <maybethistime> anyone have tips for setting up buttons on gpio? i want to have one button for 'sudo halt', and a few playback controls for MPD
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[0:06] <gordonDrogon> maybethistime, you can do the halt thing with a shell-script and the gpio program out of wiringPi.
[0:06] <maybethistime> thanks, gordonDrogon
[0:07] <gordonDrogon> you can do it all via shell scripts that way if your programs run from the command-line.
[0:07] <DanDare> maybethistime, i have done this for halt: http://i.imgur.com/ozAcWXB.jpg no resistors no nothing. Just using great gordonDrogon's wiringPi, setting internal pull-up
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[0:07] <DanDare> err. it was pull-down
[0:07] <maybethistime> nice
[0:07] <gordonDrogon> Heh - that's neat.
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[0:08] <maybethistime> i'm going to install my rpi in my car running Volumio (basically raspbian + MPD + pretty web interface) and i want a few physical buttons i can access without taking my eyes off the road
[0:08] <DanDare> maybethistime, monitoring pins is CPU consuming. So i just set a script that looks pin state each 3 seconds (bash sleep)
[0:08] <gordonDrogon> Another trick might be to wire it over the I2C pin and 0v. The I2C has an on-board pull-up and additionally, when the Pi is in halt mode. shorting it to 0v will reboot it...
[0:08] <gordonDrogon> DanDare, gpio wfi $pin falling <--- 0% cpu
[0:09] <DanDare> gordonDrogon, ok. I mean reading pin state is CPU consuming, isnt it?
[0:09] <DanDare> or I may be just not doing it right
[0:09] <gordonDrogon> DanDare, not with the 'wfi' command. that's a non-busy wait.
[0:09] <gordonDrogon> your script will stall at that point and .. wait.
[0:09] <DanDare> gordonDrogon, nice, thanks. I will take a look about it
[0:10] <gordonDrogon> remember to enable the pull down/up then use falling/rising, depending on the way you're going.
[0:10] <shiftplusone> I know everybody else moved on, but yeah, 1.1A trip, 700mA holding current
[0:10] <DanDare> for now this is what I have on the script: http://pastebin.com/F24JC65p
[0:12] <DanDare> and yeah, using pull-up really, not pull-down
[0:12] <gordonDrogon> DanDare, try killing the script, then typing: gpio wfi 6 falling ... then push the button...
[0:12] <gordonDrogon> (kill the script to stop accidental halt!)
[0:12] <DanDare> I see
[0:12] <maybethistime> i have never set up a bash script so i may have more questions in a minute
[0:12] <DanDare> gordonDrogon, where I can find instructions on the wfi resource? its available ?
[0:13] <gordonDrogon> DanDare, man gpio
[0:13] <DanDare> Oh ok, thank you
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[0:14] <Technicus> Hello, can someone help me with this plugin?
[0:14] <gordonDrogon> you may want to have some sort of guard - e.g. in a loop, do the 'wfi', then a sleep for 2 seconds, then read the button and if it's still pushed then do the halt, else loop back to the 'wfi' - might save an accidental push...
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[0:14] <DanDare> gordonDrogon, nice. I need to set pull-up/down when using wfi ?
[0:14] <gordonDrogon> DanDare, yes, still set it.
[0:14] <DanDare> cool, thanks
[0:14] <gordonDrogon> no need to set it to input mode though - wfi does that anyway.
[0:15] <shiftplusone> it will just trigger randomly if you don't
[0:15] <DanDare> I see
[0:15] <gordonDrogon> another handy use for the I2C pins - on-board pull-ups...
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[0:16] <gordonDrogon> Technicus, best to just say what's up - what plugin, what's happening, etc. else you'll be waiting all day for someone to say: I'll help ...
[0:16] <DanDare> the pull-up/down set is a ARM thing, really?
[0:16] <gordonDrogon> DanDare, no - most microcontrollers have them built in. some only pull-up though.
[0:16] <gordonDrogon> if you're making a million of something and you can save 0.1p then it's worth it...
[0:16] <Technicus> gordonDrogon: HAHAHA!!
[0:17] <DanDare> so the pull up/dow is switch on the own board ?
[0:17] <DanDare> interesting
[0:17] <Technicus> That was vage :)
[0:17] <Technicus> I'm just thinking about a lot of things and getting mixed up on what channel I was on. HAHAHA!
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[0:17] <gordonDrogon> DanDare, the I2C pins have additional resistors on the Pi's PCB, so it doesn't matter about setting the internal ones.
[0:18] <DanDare> ok
[0:18] <DanDare> 4k7 ones I suppose
[0:18] <gordonDrogon> 1.8K
[0:18] <gordonDrogon> and notice that one of the I2C pins is opposite a 0v pin too, so a little jumper can bridge over the GPIO pins...
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[0:19] <gordonDrogon> (it's wiringPi pin 9, P1:5 <-> P1:6
[0:19] <GoldDigger> any recommendations of quality powered USB hubs?
[0:19] <DanDare> I was taking a look into pi schematics, but schematics doesnt inform if its for pi V1 or V2, so I was unsure how to consider the information there
[0:19] <gordonDrogon> GoldDigger, the Foundation one?
[0:19] <GoldDigger> the what?
[0:19] <shiftplusone> there's a foundation hub? O_o
[0:20] <GoldDigger> i need a 5-10port powered usb hub >_<
[0:20] <gordonDrogon> Ah no - sorry - though there was - it's this one I'm thinking of: http://shop.pimoroni.com/products/pihub
[0:21] <gordonDrogon> 10 ports? Remember the Pi only has one USB interface...
[0:21] <GoldDigger> thats why you connect the powered hub to it :P
[0:21] <GoldDigger> the PI can't power the 10 ports, but external power can
[0:22] <gordonDrogon> it's not power - but bandwidth I'm thinking of.
[0:22] <GoldDigger> yeah i had pi running fine before
[0:22] <GoldDigger> filled up the usb ports too
[0:23] <DanDare> I guess pi B internal USB hub is capable to handle 4 USB ports
[0:23] <DanDare> not sure if it takes advantage of that (also if using a external hub)
[0:23] <gordonDrogon> the B+ has a 5-port hub - one port is hardwired to the Ethernet part internally.
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[0:27] <Technicus> gordonDrogon: Here is the plugin: < https://github.com/Technicus/ShopCam/blob/master/Programming/RaspberryPi/IRC/Supybot/Plugin/ShopCam/plugin.py >.
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[0:29] <Technicus> It is for Supybot the IRC bot. This plugin takes instructions in from an IRC chat and sends them to an Arduino connected to a Raspberry Pi, for moving servos that have a camera module mounted on them.
[0:29] <gordonDrogon> that would be PYthon then ...
[0:29] <Technicus> Yes this is written with python.
[0:30] <Technicus> It is communicating with the Arduino via I2C.
[0:32] <Technicus> gordonDrogon: I am trying to add "up, down, left, right" to the methods.
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[0:33] <Technicus> The readNumber function is broken.
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[0:33] <DanDare> I must start trying pi's GPIOs... like connecting to atmega128, straight, using UART
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[0:34] <evil_dan2wik> DanDare, make sure you prevent the linux kernel from using Uart first.
[0:35] <clever> gordonDrogon: and the b+ internaly still has just 1 usb port, the 4port hub doesnt add any more bandwidth
[0:35] <DanDare> evil_dan2wik, like blocking modules on /etc/modprobe.d ?
[0:35] <gordonDrogon> DanDare, and remember the Pi is 3.3v and most arduoinos are 5v
[0:35] <DanDare> evil_dan2wik, I got rid already of serial attached to tty, on cmdline.txt
[0:35] <evil_dan2wik> idk how to do it.
[0:36] <gordonDrogon> clever, yes, I know. (not sure why you're telling me this)
[0:36] <evil_dan2wik> oh, that should be fine then.
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[0:36] <DanDare> gordonDrogon, yeah... running atmega on 3.3V is a option also
[0:36] <clever> just bringing it up incase anybody else doesnt know
[0:36] <evil_dan2wik> gordonDrogon, but most 5v arduinos will happily run off 3.3v
[0:36] <evil_dan2wik> I have an arduino connected to a lipo battery that goes down to 2.9v and still runs..
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[0:37] <DanDare> evil_dan2wik, I think you must use internal oscillator for that (8MHz)
[0:37] <clever> external would work too, as long as its within the freq limit for that voltage
[0:37] <evil_dan2wik> DanDare, no, You just need to make sure the chip remains stable at that voltage.
[0:37] <DanDare> I see
[0:37] <DanDare> ok
[0:37] <gordonDrogon> evil_dan2wik, sure - but you're outside the 16MHz spec. below 5v. at 3.3v the max. clock supported is a shade undr 12MHz - but most of the time you get away with the 16Mhz "overclock" ..
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[0:38] <evil_dan2wik> 20Mhz can go down to 4.2volts without failing, 16mhz is around 3.1v and 8mhz is around 2.3v
[0:39] <evil_dan2wik> But you are still running way out of spec at those voltages.
[0:39] <DanDare> or set voltage level translation to 5V (for the fun)
[0:41] <evil_dan2wik> I run my Arduino at 3.8volts, 16MHz, so that it is within the tolerance for the Pi's GPIO.
[0:41] <gordonDrogon> zed time for me. laterz.
[0:41] <DanDare> best of both worlds, but out of spec :p
[0:41] <DanDare> gordonDrogon, have a good night. thanks
[0:41] <evil_dan2wik> DanDare, but still stable.
[0:41] <evil_dan2wik> Night.
[0:42] <DanDare> evil_dan2wik, nice to know
[0:43] <evil_dan2wik> at 3.2volts is when problems started happening, 3.1volts is when the chip would not run at all.
[0:43] <DanDare> evil_dan2wik, maybe bad to SD card, running anything higher than 3.3V?
[0:43] <DanDare> or oh well, the regulator takes care of that I suppose
[0:44] <evil_dan2wik> yeah.
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[0:44] <DanDare> i need food into my own circuits
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[0:45] <evil_dan2wik> but the arduino, at 3.2 volts was very unpredictable. It would have random read/write problems, calculations would not return correct values, etc.
[0:46] <evil_dan2wik> at 8mhz, it would probably be fine though.
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[2:09] <maybethistime> gpio making my head spin
[2:09] * [Saint] decided to look at Slice and absolutely does not understand a: why its a thing, and/or b: why the Hell so many people backed it.
[2:10] <[Saint]> I guess people mistakenly thought the raspberrypi will somehoe make an adequate media center.
[2:10] <[Saint]> ...glwt.
[2:12] <[Saint]> "Slice is built on open technologies."
[2:12] <[Saint]> ...sort of. Kinda. A bit.
[2:12] * [Saint] giggles.
[2:13] <maybethistime> correct me if I am wrong, but the numbers of the GPIO do not match the actual pins?
[2:13] <clever> some of the gpio pins are not wired to the header
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[2:13] <[Saint]> You are correct. That's a classic mistake.
[2:14] <maybethistime> I have yet to plug anything in, don't want to blow it up
[2:14] <[Saint]> for example, GPIO10 is actually pin 19, etc.
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[2:14] <maybethistime> who thought that was a good idea?
[2:14] <clever> the guys who used gpio19 on something else
[2:14] <[Saint]> people who don't take evrrything literally, I suppose.
[2:15] <clever> what is 19 on?
[2:15] <pksato> but, on some libs, header pin number can be used.
[2:15] <pksato> and, others libs have own numbering.
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[2:33] <maybethistime> starting to think it would be easier to hook buttons up to an arduino and have it emulate a keyboard
[2:34] <[Saint]> or perhaps buy one of the many HID keypads available.
[2:34] <clever> https://www.sparkfun.com/products/12017
[2:35] <clever> ive wired one of these chips up to my pi before thru the i2c bus
[2:35] <clever> once the kernel part was enabled, it behaved like a regular keyboard
[2:35] <maybethistime> that might do
[2:35] <clever> http://gallery.earthtools.ca/index.py/pi/captouch/WP_000148.jpg
[2:36] <clever> the wiring, just directly from the breakout to the pi
[2:36] <[Saint]> maybethistime: what is the end goal you're trying to achieve?
[2:36] <maybethistime> i want a small row of buttons for controlling music player daemon
[2:36] <clever> for the sense elements, i carved a few holes in the cardboard, and weaved the wire just under the surface: http://gallery.earthtools.ca/index.py/pi/captouch/WP_000146%20(2).jpg
[2:37] <clever> then i drew the buttons on the top in pencil: http://gallery.earthtools.ca/index.py/pi/captouch/WP_000145%20(2).jpg
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[2:37] <[Saint]> maybethistime: there's a bunch of USB HID programmable keypads out there.
[2:37] <clever> zero moving parts, just touch the box in the right spot and it acts like a keyboard
[2:37] <maybethistime> clever, thats pretty cool
[2:37] <clever> yep
[2:38] <maybethistime> [Saint]: that seems superior to what i am doing!
[2:38] <clever> the main issue, is that i had to write a small kernel driver, that advertises the platform device
[2:38] <clever> was only about 10 lines of c code
[2:38] <clever> the mpr121 already has a kernel driver, but it obviously wont know what letter each key maps to or which i2c bus you put it on
[2:38] <[Saint]> Just depends how much you want to spend.
[2:39] <[Saint]> Though, they're far from expensive.
[2:39] <clever> http://www.ultimarc.com/ipac1.html
[2:39] <[Saint]> Just ask google about "HID programmable keypad"s.
[2:39] <clever> thats the keyboard thing i usualy recomend
[2:39] <clever> it comes in ps2 and usb versions
[2:39] <clever> meant for arcade machines
[2:40] <maybethistime> ha
[2:42] <maybethistime> so i could program this to type commands like on this page? http://www.musicpd.org/doc/protocol/ch03s03.html
[2:42] <r0bert-> I just reinstalled my B+ (Raspbian) and followed the adafruit wifi setup. Starting the hostadp as a service fails... but can be started manually....
[2:42] <r0bert-> http://susepaste.org/77317007
[2:42] <r0bert-> any help?
[2:42] <[Saint]> not quite, but, you could program something else to do <arbitrary_thing> when <button> is detected.
[2:42] <clever> maybethistime: probly not, i would make a script that listens for a single key like '1', and then send the mpd command
[2:42] <clever> i did the same thing with the mpr121
[2:43] <clever> i setup 4 keys to act as arrow, along with an enter and back button
[2:43] <clever> then i used it to navigate a custom menu on the display
[2:43] <clever> one of the options was shutdown, another played music off NFS/wifi
[2:43] <maybethistime> cool
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[2:46] <clever> for the mpr121, if i remember correctly, it had 3.3v, gnd, sda, scl, and irq
[2:47] <clever> the kernel will use i2c to configure it, and the irq informs the pi of any new events, so it doesnt eat any extra cpu when idle
[2:47] <clever> the biggest problem, is that the pi cant do repeated starts over i2c, so it cant set the address of the register to read
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[2:47] <clever> but by chance, the first 8 elements are in register 0
[2:47] <clever> so they work fine
[2:48] <clever> the next 4 elements just dont work due to that hardware/driver bug
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[2:49] <[Saint]> http://imgur.com/a/C6rGh
[2:51] <ShorTie> nifty
[2:51] <[Saint]> No I no longer have to carry my many fish up hill.
[2:51] <[Saint]> *now
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[3:04] <maybethistime> i appreciate the help, [Saint] and clever, but i feel like i'm in over my head. or maybe just tired. Going to come back to this another day
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[3:04] <Coburn> Well, I have a gen 1 model B (256MB)
[3:04] <Coburn> and it died
[3:05] <Coburn> as in the OK light would be flashing when the power light was on
[3:05] <Coburn> something like a CPU failure
[3:05] <Coburn> I left it in my pile of stuff to toss, and yesterday I was like "Could it just be trolling, or is it really dead?"
[3:05] <Coburn> I plugged it into the AC adapter. It booted up.
[3:06] <clever> the cpu controls the led, so if its blinking, the cpu is working
[3:06] <Coburn> So I'm thinking it's either a fuse or a SD card
[3:06] <clever> or the PSU
[3:06] <clever> or the usb cable
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[3:09] <abnormal> Coburn: make sure the PSU can put out 5V. anything under 4.8V would be hazardous to the Pi...
[3:09] <abnormal> nite clever
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[3:12] <Coburn> ok abnormal
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[3:15] <abnormal> I like the Adafruit PSU from Element 14, they have been quite indestructible no matter how hard you use them...
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[4:44] <Geo> Hi, if I pull the sd card out of the pi once its booted, will it still run?
[4:44] <Geo> basically, can I swap cards and use the Pi to format a blank SD
[4:45] <[Saint]> No.
[4:45] <[Saint]> The operating system resides on the sdcrad.
[4:45] <[Saint]> How would it continue to run?
[4:45] <Geo> memory
[4:45] <[Saint]> ...if you pivot out to a RAMdisk, then, yes.
[4:45] <[Saint]> Otherwise. No. By no means.
[4:46] <Geo> thanks
[4:46] <[Saint]> Geo: you have 512MB of RAM, and ~1.2GB of operating system.
[4:46] <[Saint]> Not gonna happen. :)
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[5:58] <steve_rox> anyone know the name of the usb connector the rpi typically uses?
[5:58] <steve_rox> usb mini ? micro?
[5:58] <steve_rox> i loose track
[6:01] <Xark> steve_rox: See http://www.l-com.com/content/USB-Tutorial.html RPi uses micro-B for power and USB 2.0 type A jack, I believe.
[6:01] <steve_rox> thanks
[6:01] <steve_rox> they make so many usb types
[6:01] <steve_rox> you know they are working on a reversable type C at the moment
[6:01] <steve_rox> aghh
[6:02] <Xark> steve_rox: Yes, and get ready for at least one more coming soon -> http://arstechnica.com/gadgets/2014/08/small-reversible-usb-type-c-connector-finalized/
[6:02] <steve_rox> why so many usb types i wonder
[6:02] <Xark> steve_rox: D'oh, yep. :)
[6:02] <steve_rox> its like i have to collect every varient of usb wire they have
[6:03] <steve_rox> only one i have is power only no data cables
[6:03] <Xark> steve_rox: Hehe, seems that way. :)
[6:03] <steve_rox> not as if they saved too much room by using it
[6:03] <steve_rox> the micro looks more fragile too
[6:04] <Xark> steve_rox: Supposedly it is more robust than mini for insert/remove cycles. Not good for sideways pressure though...
[6:04] <steve_rox> yeah its just nuts
[6:05] <steve_rox> lucky i dont use any of them on my 3 rpi's , wire stright to gpio
[6:05] <steve_rox> now i have to find a micro usb cable on ebay off a seller thats not secretly hideing in china and falceifying their location as the uk
[6:05] <steve_rox> rawr :-P
[6:06] * Xark notes his RPi B+ seems to have 4 PTH reinforcements on micro-B...
[6:06] <steve_rox> a what ? :-)
[6:07] <Xark> plated through hole "prongs" in the PCB and soldered to hold the connector more solidly than just surface-mount versions.
[6:07] <steve_rox> oh right so it might not just break
[6:07] <Xark> Looks pretty solid, but I am not testing it. :)
[6:07] <steve_rox> i need the data cable for this lipo battery charger i got today
[6:08] <steve_rox> i shouldent of gone for the cheaper one , its a clone/fake
[6:08] <steve_rox> but the one i got today seems genunie
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[6:35] <steve_rox> yay i sucessfully created thumbscrews from polymorph plastic , great for my rpi case
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[6:38] <[Saint]> steve_rox: isn't the workable temperature of polymorphic plastic far too low to make that viable?
[6:39] <[Saint]> Like, 40C workable, 60C melt-point, iirc.
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[6:55] <steve_rox> [Saint]: its about 64'c on this type im using
[6:55] <steve_rox> lower stuff is about 40'c
[6:56] <steve_rox> not a problem unless your in a desert or something
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[6:58] <[Saint]> My enclosures can get up to ~60C in the summer
[6:58] <steve_rox> i melt mine with a heatgun :-P , using hot water is so slow and wastefull
[6:59] <steve_rox> interesting
[6:59] <[Saint]> (keeping in mind that ~60C is really nothing for consumer electronics)
[6:59] <steve_rox> well it has to get to about 64 to become runny goo
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[7:00] <[Saint]> right, but it only needs to get to about ~40C to become quite pliable.
[7:00] <steve_rox> thats the lower melting stuff
[7:01] <steve_rox> that costs more too
[7:01] <steve_rox> coolmorph
[7:01] <steve_rox> much more stickier filth
[7:02] <steve_rox> i dont really have a hot enviroment to test it in
[7:02] <steve_rox> its the uk rember
[7:02] <[Saint]> No, no. I'm not talking about the melting point, a lot of its integrity is lost at around ~40C
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[7:02] <[Saint]> it'll still be solid, but deform rather easily.
[7:03] * [Saint] has the same product
[7:03] <steve_rox> i never had any issues really
[7:03] <[Saint]> (rather a lot of it too - don't ask)
[7:03] <steve_rox> im starting to collect a lot too dont worry
[7:03] <steve_rox> seems to have addictive propertys
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[7:03] <steve_rox> using liquid latex rubber to make moulds for it
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[7:06] <steve_rox> supriseingly rubber moulds seem to be able to withstand quite a beating temp wise
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[7:11] <steve_rox> makes me wonder what interesting things youve been makeing with polymorph
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[7:30] <Technicus> Hey I've got it working!! Thanks everyone!!!
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[7:40] * [Saint] watches an interesting video about using openCV and dental X-Rays to dump ROMs.
[7:41] * Xark exclaims "Electromagnetic radiation! Is there anything it can't do?"
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[7:41] <[Saint]> It cooks food, and allows us access to wireless pornography.
[7:41] <[Saint]> I think we've got the bases covered.
[7:42] <[Saint]> #priorities
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[7:43] <RahulAN> Hii all
[7:43] <RahulAN> gordonDrogon, HIi
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[9:03] <RoBo_V> hey techTalkers, afternoon !
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[9:06] * [Saint] smirks
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[9:07] <[Saint]> Someone on XDA claims to have compiled a 4.0.1 linux kernel for Android
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[9:14] <evil_dan2wik> [Saint], and you haven't?
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[9:15] <[Saint]> I too can compile kernels with absolutely arbitrary version strings and call myself a developer, indeed.
[9:15] <[Saint]> hell...I don't even need to compile it.
[9:15] <[Saint]> I can just fudge the version string in build.prop
[9:15] <[Saint]> woo! development!
[9:16] <Zimsky> 4.x? wat
[9:16] <[Saint]> someone clicks. :)
[9:16] <[Saint]> Well done.
[9:16] <Zimsky> my head is still in the days of 2.x
[9:17] <Zimsky> and i'm not referring to git head
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[10:02] <DJJeff> where would I buy these cables to do this?
[10:02] <DJJeff> http://hackaday.com/2013/11/15/unbricking-a-router-with-a-raspi/
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[10:03] <[Saint]> DJJeff: some people call it "wire".
[10:03] * [Saint] imagine the The More You Know theme music playing.
[10:03] <DJJeff> can I use any wire? or does it need to be a certain type?
[10:03] <[Saint]> Well, being electrically conductive is a good start.
[10:03] <DJJeff> like would copper wire work?
[10:04] <DJJeff> I have piles of copper wire
[10:04] <[Saint]> If its not shielded, you'll likely get into trouble, but, yes.
[10:04] <DJJeff> what soft of trouble
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[10:05] <DJJeff> I get the feeling I should practice on a $20 router before I attempt my $100 router
[10:05] <evil_dan2wik> DJJeff, shorting, bad data, poor firmware upload, etc.
[10:05] <[Saint]> You're aware this isn't a universal solution, right?
[10:06] <[Saint]> This isn't just "unbrick any router, ever"
[10:06] <[Saint]> Its epecific to the WRT54G
[10:06] <[Saint]> (which most certainly doesn't cost $100 ;))
[10:06] <DJJeff> right
[10:06] <DJJeff> I have a wrt320n and a wrt610n
[10:06] <DJJeff> both bricks
[10:06] <DJJeff> I am starting to hate linksys
[10:06] <DJJeff> but thats off topic
[10:07] <[Saint]> Well, if it doesn't expose JTAG, you're screwed.
[10:07] <evil_dan2wik> DJJeff, probably possible to unbrick them both.
[10:07] <DJJeff> I think the 320n does
[10:07] <evil_dan2wik> [Saint], my router exposed serial Uart.
[10:07] <evil_dan2wik> I was able to access the serial console and use manual configuration steps
[10:08] <shiftplusone> [Saint], the slice is a thing because people already use the raspberry pi as a media centre. This is just a better version of it with a fancy case.
[10:08] <DJJeff> connecting up to the pi I would need a female connection
[10:08] <evil_dan2wik> I ended up using wget to the ramdisk and then dding the firmware to the flash.
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[10:08] * [Saint] is more impressed every day he sees something about the WRT54G being used today
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[10:09] <[Saint]> ...it may have a lot of hackability, but, its *ancient*, and lacks support for many protocols/
[10:09] <evil_dan2wik> DJJeff, got a camera?
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[10:09] <evil_dan2wik> Open up the router and take a picture of both sides of the main board.
[10:09] <evil_dan2wik> Do it with both both bricked routers.
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[10:16] <DJJeff> my router has this.....also
[10:16] <DJJeff> http://i.imgur.com/zK3gEfU.jpg
[10:16] <DJJeff> can I do TX RX GND to the pi?
[10:17] <RaTTuS|BIG> if they are 3.3v
[10:17] <DJJeff> on the router? or the wire I use?
[10:17] <[Saint]> I...huh?
[10:17] <DJJeff> I guess I could try it and see
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[10:18] <[Saint]> I wouldn't.
[10:18] <evil_dan2wik> DJJeff, do you have a volt meter handy?
[10:18] <canton7> that's dangerous. try-it-and-see with stuff like this tends to make things go pop
[10:18] <[Saint]> Not without verifying the voltage.
[10:19] <[Saint]> hahaha - we all piled in with "errr...don't" at once.
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[10:19] <canton7> that's my first message in here in months :P
[10:19] <[Saint]> The Internet - Saving people from themselves since...70' something.
[10:20] <evil_dan2wik> I hope he looks back before trying.
[10:20] <evil_dan2wik> My router had 7volt TTL logic levels.
[10:21] <evil_dan2wik> way to high for a pi, and dangerous/risky for an arduino.
[10:21] <[Saint]> Yeah. Indeed.
[10:22] <DJJeff> in a perfect world I would buy jtag cable in a store
[10:22] <evil_dan2wik> In a perfect world, your router wouldn't be bricked in the first place.
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[10:22] <DJJeff> true
[10:23] <[Saint]> a "jtag cable" is...just a bunch of arbitrary color coded wires.
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[10:23] <[Saint]> You can read that as: a method of separating people who don't know better from their money"
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[10:23] <evil_dan2wik> Usually arranged in a weird configuration which you don't use anyway.
[10:24] <[Saint]> Exactly.
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[10:25] <[Saint]> A bunch of female GPIO leads would serve you better.
[10:25] <[Saint]> And are profoundly cheaper.
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[10:26] <[Saint]> (unless they say "for raspberrypi" anywhere on the advertising - in which case you can expect a 300% markup for no reason other than preying on the naive)
[10:26] <donnib> hi
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[10:27] <donnib> how can i compile C and c++ code on a mac then after i can compile and iron out errors copy the files to the pi ?
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[10:27] <donnib> i find it cumbersome to use nano and make on the rPi, i would be more productive doing it on a workstation and faster
[10:28] <evil_dan2wik> donnib, cross compile.
[10:29] <donnib> evil_dan2wik: googling it, thx
[10:29] <[Saint]> Ouch...I wonder if Coffe was aware he dropped a private key in his obviously accidental privmsg
[10:30] <evil_dan2wik> [Saint], could just be a part message.
[10:30] <[Saint]> evil_dan2wik: look at it.
[10:31] <evil_dan2wik> Yeah so?
[10:31] <evil_dan2wik> PRIVMSG heman :?OTR:AAMKwDhYow31OsoAAADA4dB1BCKCz/rMDn3f6ZKnzVifItM9n7fUK/lYAr0WV0P3qljL9bmNcAR8DVYzHQumuWiQ71kWat2zyuI0Eit+3a6f0VBatFB5h0ZnXoaqrddiZtzzZV6KpIDbCp8PO27y6VEYB/hZVbc9vet25MGjtgaerWB+1aftD3VpcktQoyoiLIhUmTR/FKtw19iFN9km4S1wXYyRCh7ezK
[10:31] <[Saint]> its quite obviously an OTR privkey.
[10:31] <evil_dan2wik> OTR?
[10:31] <[Saint]> #missingthepoint
[10:32] <evil_dan2wik> #AmIRly?
[10:32] <[Saint]> #yes
[10:33] <evil_dan2wik> ok.
[10:33] <evil_dan2wik> what is OTR?
[10:33] <[Saint]> Off The Record, encrypted messaging software.
[10:33] <evil_dan2wik> oh
[10:33] <[Saint]> ie. not the kinda thing you want to drop the key for in a publicly logged channel
[10:34] <evil_dan2wik> I guess (I have no idea still)
[10:34] <[Saint]> I suspect OP is a low value target, however.
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[10:40] <DJJeff> http://i.imgur.com/7636Po5.jpg
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[10:41] <DJJeff> is that serial or jtag?
[10:41] <DJJeff> also that is zoomed in alot the holes are super tiny
[10:41] <evil_dan2wik> Looks like jtag
[10:41] <evil_dan2wik> DJJeff, other side pls
[10:41] <DJJeff> other side of the board?
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[10:42] <DJJeff> like take it out of the router and flip it over
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[10:42] <evil_dan2wik> yes.
[10:42] <evil_dan2wik> you should be fine.
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[10:43] <evil_dan2wik> I took apart a stereo when I was 6 and put it all back together again when I was 7 about a year later.
[10:45] <DJJeff> omg
[10:45] <DJJeff> I just puked up my dinner
[10:46] <gordonDrogon> not sure we need to know that..
[10:46] <DJJeff> it says FOXCONN "made in china" on the bottom
[10:46] <DJJeff> thats were they jumped off the building and kill themself
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[10:48] <DJJeff> http://i.imgur.com/VfgXB2x.jpg
[10:48] <DJJeff> thats other side
[10:48] <DJJeff> damn poor lighting in here
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[10:52] <DJJeff> http://i.imgur.com/WhcROPD.jpg
[10:53] <evil_dan2wik> DJJeff, the image isn't in focus
[10:54] <evil_dan2wik> It appears to be focused on the carpet or whatever is behind the board
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[10:57] <DJJeff> http://i.imgur.com/r8Mb8p4.jpg
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[11:00] <evil_dan2wik> DJJeff, this is your connector pinout. http://www.micromouseonline.com/wp/wp-content/uploads/2009/12/ARM-JTAG-connectors-14-pin-DIL1-thumb.png
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[11:02] <DJJeff> ok ty
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[11:03] <evil_dan2wik> DJJeff, try this: https://github.com/synthetos/PiOCD/wiki/Using-a-Raspberry-Pi-as-a-JTAG-Dongle
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[11:05] <evil_dan2wik> DJJeff, make sure you orient the connector diagram the right way.
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[11:06] <evil_dan2wik> easiest way to find out would probably be the 5 gnd wires in a row
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[11:13] <overrider> I keep powering my RPI's by soldering wires to the polyfuse and D17 right next to it; It works but is kind of a hassle.
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[11:16] <shiftplusone> kind of easier to power over GPIO directly O_o
[11:18] <evil_dan2wik> yeah.
[11:18] <evil_dan2wik> Or even dice up a USB cord.
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[11:19] <overrider> I used the GPIOs
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[11:19] <overrider> Also i thought by soldering to the Fuse its a 'tad' bit safer?
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[11:19] <overrider> From what i read before the GPIO's dont pass the polyfuse?
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[11:21] <evil_dan2wik> overrider, yes, this is true.
[11:24] <evil_dan2wik> But, wiring the GPIO header prevents shorts.
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[11:26] <gordonDrogon> only if you wire it sensibly.... you can short anything if you try hard enough!
[11:26] <gordonDrogon> overrider, what's your need to solder directly rather than use a �USB cable?
[11:30] <overrider> gordonDrogon: i am building them into a plastic case to run a Kiosk type system, and i found splicing and using the USB cable not solid enough
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[11:30] <overrider> To begin with, the spliced wires are super thin, its a hassle to connect to the 5V Din rail i setup
[11:30] <overrider> Secondly, on multiple occassions the darn thing just shook loose.
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[11:31] <shiftplusone> Psh, won't bypass input protection... and you call yourself overrider... >=/
[11:31] <overrider> I also found that using the USB cable, sometimes my TP1->TP2 Voltage was not good, not near 5V depending on the USB Cable it seemed. Using the wires and soldering directly seems to have improved that
[11:32] <shiftplusone> how not near are we talking?
[11:32] <shiftplusone> there's a fair bit of give before you start seeing problems
[11:33] <evil_dan2wik> overrider, for a permanent setup, the Pi usually doesn't need the poly fuse.
[11:33] <overrider> Its a while ago, but using one cable was like 4.4V, the other 4.6V and so on. Using direct wire i get it very very near 5V, like 4.98V or even spot on 5V. Of course my PSU has some tolerance i guess, but it just seemed much more solid than dealing with the USB
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[11:34] <overrider> evil_dan2wik: i heard that; I think my PSU is quite good maybe i can try to make it easier and solder to one of the Pins
[11:34] <shiftplusone> wow...
[11:34] <shiftplusone> sounds like you have a very terrible cable
[11:35] <evil_dan2wik> don't solder the GPIO pins
[11:35] <overrider> I did about 60-70 pcs now like this
[11:35] <evil_dan2wik> unless you never need to use them for anything else.
[11:35] <shiftplusone> why not just use a decent cable?
[11:36] <overrider> It just seems so much less robust; the USB wires need to go into a DIN Rail to get their power, and the spliced wires are so thin
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[11:36] <evil_dan2wik> I used a cord from a lipo charger and it gave me 2.7 volts before the poly fuse.
[11:37] <evil_dan2wik> And then I used a real thick cord from a phone and it gave me 5.2 volts before the poly fuse on the same power supply.
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[11:41] <gordonDrogon> seems like a GPIO connector might be the way forward to me - especially if you ever need to remove them/swap them, etc.
[11:42] <gordonDrogon> might depend on depth of the plastic case you're using though..
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[11:56] <RoBo_V> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Tza6Hl8wSJ0
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[12:01] <Balzy> netsplit!
[12:03] <evil_dan2wik> I have never heard of tepper.freenode.net
[12:03] <RaTTuS|BIG> http://www.kicktraq.com/projects/fiveninjas/slice-a-media-player-and-more/ <- looks like they will amke tht ... and some
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[12:06] <Tenebrous> i spent ages trying to solder a ribbon cable to the edge connector on an old usb keyboard controller... never again! just bought a Teensy++ instead. lol
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[12:09] <shiftplusone> RaTTuS|BIG, aye, and I don't think the target market knows of it yet, so it should do quite well when it gets more coverage.
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[12:17] <Balzy> hello, does anyone know what happens to system time when Pi is shutdown but kept powered (red led on)? does the time sync get lost anyway because of the missing real time clock?
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[12:19] <shiftplusone> yeah
[12:19] <silenius> i just soldered a microSD into a modelB, and i just have to ask, to be sure... the outer 4 pins (2 left 2 right), just short them out?
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[12:21] <silenius> one should be "sd pluged in" and the other "write protection disabled"?
[12:22] <evil_dan2wik> I thought they were both ignored.
[12:22] <shiftplusone> one one side, the two outer pads seem to be ground, rather than anything else
[12:23] <shiftplusone> on the other side you have the 4 pads for the switches
[12:23] <shiftplusone> WP is not hooked up at all
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[12:23] <shiftplusone> CD goes to GPIO47 and ground
[12:24] <silenius> oh, nice thanks. hooked it up now, works
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[12:25] <shiftplusone> CD is not actually used anywhere, so CD is not connected on the B+ and CM
[12:25] <shiftplusone> just a waste of a pin otherwise
[12:26] <silenius> i soldered on all 8^^ to be sure
[12:26] <shiftplusone> yeah, sorry, 8
[12:26] <shiftplusone> 4 on both sides
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[12:27] <shiftplusone> for future reference http://www.raspberrypi.org/documentation/hardware/raspberrypi/schematics/Raspberry-Pi-Rev-2.1-Model-AB-Schematics.pdf
[12:27] <silenius> ah, thanks^^
[12:27] <silenius> i removed the video and audio ports already,
[12:28] <silenius> last to go is the ethernet
[12:28] <silenius> saves room and power :D
[12:29] <shiftplusone> there IS a model A >_<
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[12:29] <Balzy> LOL
[12:30] <Balzy> you desoldered ports on the Pi?
[12:30] <RaTTuS|BIG> remove the ethernet chip - easyer to get a ModelA and mod that
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[12:31] <shiftplusone> I've done that on a few of mine too (with a model b). But you end up with an expensive 512MB model A
[12:31] <Balzy> I don't think you can just remove the chip and turn it into a "A" model
[12:31] <silenius> RaTTuS|BIG, i need the ram
[12:31] <shiftplusone> you can, but you need to bridge links to route the usb port properly
[12:31] <RaTTuS|BIG> well you loose a USB port
[12:31] <RaTTuS|BIG> why do you ned the ram ?
[12:31] <silenius> RaTTuS|BIG, game station^^
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[12:31] <Balzy> Anyway ports if not plugged do not drain power
[12:31] <shiftplusone> nuh, there are 0ohm resistors which route things properly on a model A... bridge those and you have USB back.
[12:31] <RaTTuS|BIG> use a CM
[12:32] <[Saint]> game station; raspberrypi - something here is amiss... ;)
[12:32] <Balzy> What eats some amps is the usb+ethernet chip
[12:32] <silenius> usb is removed too^^
[12:32] <silenius> i just need the gpio
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[12:32] <shiftplusone> O_o
[12:32] * shiftplusone wonders what silenius is doing
[12:32] <[Saint]> "something highly questionable"
[12:33] <silenius> shiftplusone, seen pigrrl?
[12:33] <silenius> something like that
[12:33] <silenius> only in a smaller package
[12:33] <shiftplusone> Oh, we have one in the office =D
[12:33] <Balzy> silenius is it a kind of small console what you are making?
[12:33] <RaTTuS|BIG> a CM would probly be easier ;-p
[12:33] <silenius> http://www.123dapp.com/Project/PiGRRL-Raspberry-Pi-Gameboy/2522930
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[12:34] <shiftplusone> yup, they sent us one. it's awesome.
[12:34] <[Saint]> put Rockbox on an iPod, boom, ga{a|c} emulator+DAP, with controls.
[12:34] <[Saint]> DOne. :)
[12:34] <silenius> CM?
[12:34] <[Saint]> *gb{a|c}
[12:34] <RaTTuS|BIG> Compute module
[12:34] <shiftplusone> also... don't type pigrrl into google image search at work >_<
[12:34] <silenius> saint i dont have an ipid
[12:34] <silenius> *ipod
[12:34] <silenius> i dont have an old phone^^
[12:34] <[Saint]> Yeah you do.
[12:34] <silenius> i have a pi. end of list
[12:35] <[Saint]> ...which is, a phone from ~2008, sans a tonne of features! ;)
[12:35] <silenius> shiftplusone, i dont get any nsfw on the first 4 pages..
[12:35] <[Saint]> WHy not just buy a cheap Android device?
[12:36] <shiftplusone> silenius, safe search enabled?
[12:36] <[Saint]> Vastly more capable, better form factor, and a host more features.
[12:36] <silenius> shiftplusone, nope
[12:37] <[Saint]> shiftplusone: errr...I think you accidentally just gave us a clue on your, or someone else's, browsing history altering your results.
[12:37] <silenius> [Saint], a) more expensive b) does not look like a gameboy c) did not make it myself
[12:37] <[Saint]> Absolutely no NSFW results here.
[12:37] <[Saint]> silenius: more expensive? Hell no.
[12:37] <[Saint]> You can pick up a device with comparable spec for $30
[12:37] <silenius> where?
[12:37] <[Saint]> Android handsets are a dime a dozen.
[12:38] <silenius> no buttons^^
[12:38] <shiftplusone> [Saint], nope. work laptop... unused for anything like that.
[12:38] <silenius> i want buttons
[12:38] <SpeedEvil> silenius: plug in a keyoard
[12:38] <shiftplusone> ah well, go figure.
[12:38] <[Saint]> shiftplusone: what browser/search engine?
[12:38] <silenius> SpeedEvil, then the form factor is fucked^^
[12:38] <silenius> SpeedEvil, i want small :D
[12:38] <SpeedEvil> silenius: IBM model M keyboard is quite small.
[12:38] <shiftplusone> silenius, tone it down a little. family friendly channel and all that.
[12:38] <chris_99> lol SpeedEvil
[12:38] <SpeedEvil> It's also useful in case muggers want to take your phone.
[12:38] <shiftplusone> [Saint], google, firefox.
[12:39] <[Saint]> shiftplusone: same, same.
[12:39] <[Saint]> No NSFW results.
[12:39] <[Saint]> ....did you piss off Cameron? ;)
[12:39] <SpeedEvil> As an aside - http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Tesco-Hudl-7-Lcd-Tablet-16Gb-Android-4-2-Webcam-Bluetooth-Quad-Core-Purple-/351134880953?pt=UK_iPad_Tablets_eReaders&hash=item51c14514b9 - 59 quid hudl - 12 month warranty
[12:39] <shiftplusone> who O_o
[12:39] <silenius> anyhow, im nearly done, parts: pi, striped powerbank, display, 2 swiches, old nes controller
[12:40] <[Saint]> shiftplusone: David Cameron
[12:40] <shiftplusone> ah right
[12:40] <silenius> cost: ~50$
[12:40] <silenius> plus the pi, which i had
[12:41] <[Saint]> I understand wanting to do this yourself, but there's really no questioning the fact that the pi is a fairly poor use case for this scenario.
[12:41] <[Saint]> a secondhand Android handset is vastly more capable.
[12:41] <[Saint]> And, has a screen, physical buttons if you look hard enough (Galaxy Europa, Gio, G-Mini, et al), telephony, etc. etc. etc.
[12:42] <[Saint]> 'just sayin'.
[12:42] <silenius> [Saint], how old are you?^^
[12:42] <[Saint]> 32
[12:42] <[Saint]> ...and?
[12:42] <SpeedEvil> Also - nokia n900
[12:42] <silenius> then you surely must understand thats its special, if it looks like a gameboy :D
[12:42] <SpeedEvil> VEry similar class of hardware to the raspberry Pi
[12:42] <[Saint]> Good luck picking one of them up cheap SpeedEvil
[12:43] <SpeedEvil> Better documented in many areas
[12:43] <SpeedEvil> [Saint]: on ebay the price has dropped
[12:43] <SpeedEvil> While an interesting platform, it's aging significantly.
[12:43] <[Saint]> Neo900....<cringe>
[12:43] <SpeedEvil> yeah
[12:44] <SpeedEvil> Or Jolla with an external keyboard. It even has I2C.
[12:44] <SpeedEvil> (however, not close to the price point)
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[12:44] <SpeedEvil> The various neo900 projects and similar are awesome - but at best niche.
[12:46] * [Saint] can't get NSFW results for "pigrrl" even if he tries.
[12:46] <[Saint]> UK internet must be totes cray, yo.
[12:47] <shiftplusone> different definitions of NSFW?
[12:47] <[Saint]> I don't think so. Unless you consider faces, necks, and what appears to be an elbow NSFW.
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[12:47] <[Saint]> Narry a sinular nipple.
[12:48] * shiftplusone shrugs
[12:48] <shiftplusone> I'd check again, but I'm not falling for that one.
[12:49] <SpeedEvil> [Saint]: Duplicate one letter accidentally, and you do
[12:49] <[Saint]> PM?
[12:49] <[Saint]> perhaps I'm dense.
[12:50] <[Saint]> I'm not seeing it, hit me with a PM.
[12:51] <[Saint]> Aaaaaaahhhhhh, there we go.
[12:51] <[Saint]> The Internet is a scary place.
[12:54] <shiftplusone> ah, I checked my history and it seems to have been piggrl... so... no surprises there.
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[12:54] <[Saint]> shiftplusone: I wouldn't say that.
[12:55] <[Saint]> For me, it just created a lot more questions.
[12:55] <[Saint]> ...and many surprises.
[12:55] <[Saint]> and, this: http://2.media.dorkly.cvcdn.com/83/26/2782cc177f6a7d2c677a65446d948398-guinea-pig-pikachu-cosplay.jpg
[12:56] <Tenebrous> silenius: striped powerbank ?
[12:56] <shiftplusone> going to stay on the safe side and not click
[12:56] <[Saint]> SFW, I promise.
[12:56] <RaTTuS|BIG> it's OK but lets keep on topic please
[12:56] <[Saint]> Hahahaha...topic. Good one.
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[12:56] <shiftplusone> irc-> sort of work related.... pikachu cosplay.... that's a stretch.
[12:57] * [Saint] wonders if he can find shiftplusone's "I don't care what we talk about as long as it doesn't derail support" quote.
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[12:57] * [Saint] takes off the pedant hat
[12:57] <shiftplusone> That's my standard and I'm sticking to it.
[12:58] <shiftplusone> If anything I'd encourage off-topic, but in this case... it's borderline on the not so family friendly side, so I'm all for moving on >.>
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[12:59] * [Saint] adds guinea-pigs to the list of non-familiay-friendly material for good measure just in case
[13:00] <shiftplusone> good
[13:00] <shiftplusone> sandwich time
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[13:00] <Tenebrous> weird, our sandwich van just arrived.
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[13:13] <shiftplusone> I wish I had a sandwich van. I have to walk to the cafe like a pleb to get my sandwiches.
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[13:14] <SpeedEvil> I have minions that will deliver me anything I want 18 hours a day.
[13:14] <SpeedEvil> ^in 18 hours to a day
[13:14] <SpeedEvil> tesco++
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[13:31] <Balzy> Hello! does any of you know what's the efficiency of a 5V usb battery charger? I'm trying to evaluate the power cost of running a pi (which is the input power of the charger)
[13:32] <Tenebrous> silenius: striped powerbank ?
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[14:04] <DanDare> Balzy, my charger says INPUT: 100~240V 150mA. Output 5V 850mA.
[14:04] <DanDare> Balzy, its a Sony phone charger, switching mode power supply
[14:05] <SpeedEvil> Balzy: >70% usually
[14:05] <SpeedEvil> DanDare: Those are almost useless for working out efficiencies
[14:05] <DanDare> ok
[14:05] <SpeedEvil> Balzy: that's >70% at full load.
[14:06] <SpeedEvil> Call it 5 watts, that's 5*8750 = 4.5kWh/year or so
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[14:07] <DanDare> from tests I made my pi runs at 500mA consumption, using a wifi dongle
[14:07] <DanDare> (average)
[14:07] <SpeedEvil> 5W (mains) is probably ballpark for a Pi, and a couple of USB thingies.
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[14:08] <SpeedEvil> If you've got a 150 foot water fountain hooked up to it, it might be more.
[14:08] <DanDare> SpeedEvil, I say 500mA out from the 5V output though
[14:09] <SpeedEvil> Whihc is why I said conservative. You may get a little better - but not much.
[14:10] <DanDare> A 10W solar panel is enough to run Pi? considering no clouds etc?
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[14:11] <RahulAN> Hii all
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[14:13] <RahulAN> I have tested my i2c device on 8051 controller and also i got its ID it is 0x98 but as i am typing with i2cdetect -y 1 i am getting 4c there
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[14:26] <gordonDrogon> RahulAN, er ... it's easy to explain
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[14:27] <gordonDrogon> you need to know a bit more about how I2C works, I guess.
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[14:27] <gordonDrogon> but the address of 0x4C is correct. 0x98 is also correct. (for some value of correct)
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[14:30] <Balzy> DanDare, SpeedEvil 5Watts in a year is 24*365*5/1000 = 44kWh
[14:30] <Balzy> am I right?
[14:30] <ppq> that's right
[14:31] <Balzy> but probably it's less than 5W
[14:31] <Balzy> an headless pi B+ sinks 1.5W or even less
[14:32] <Balzy> so let's say efficiency is 50% that makes 3Watts
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[14:33] <neutrino> how much power does the B take bdw ?
[14:33] <neutrino> at full load CPU
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[14:34] <gordonDrogon> it's "allowed" 500mA at 5v, so P=IV => 0.5 * 5 = 2.5 watts.
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[14:34] <gordonDrogon> that's based on having 200mA "spare" of the max. 700mA it can pull.
[14:34] <gordonDrogon> even if it used all those 700mA it would be 3.5 watts.
[14:35] <ppq> at boottime or on high load my pi draws about 400 mA - without usb devices
[14:35] <gordonDrogon> so 2 watts.
[14:36] <gordonDrogon> it's hard to get a mains PSU to drop 240 -> 5v efficiently at those currently though - but they're usually good enough.
[14:37] <gordonDrogon> running off batteries is a different kettle of fish though...
[14:39] <ppq> usb switching PSUs i have used so far had between 60 and 80% efficiency
[14:40] <ppq> both noname and normal ones
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[14:42] <Viperisthebest01> Does it damage Openelec on the raspberrypi if I don't shut it down by using xbmc remote or by clicking the shut down button?
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[14:46] <winlu> Viperisthebest01: depends, how did you shut it down?
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[14:47] <Viperisthebest01> unlpugging the cord
[14:47] <ppq> openelec sits in a read-only suqashfs image
[14:48] <ppq> it doesn't mind being turned off without shutdown
[14:48] <Viperisthebest01> really?
[14:48] <ppq> there may be some file corruption on the fat partition though
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[14:48] <ppq> to be sure, you should fsck it
[14:48] <Viperisthebest01> How do I do that?
[14:48] <ppq> (offline)
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[14:49] <sraue> even this is not the case, except you shutdown while updating, the only issue can be if XBMC updates the library
[14:49] <ppq> take the sd-card, plug it in a computer with linux (windows cannot work with multiple partitions on sd-cards), run fsck on it (must be unmounted!)
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[14:50] <Viperisthebest01> sraue are you saying it doesn't cause file corruption if xbmc doesn't update the library
[14:51] <sraue> with OpenELEC 4.1/4.2 fsck will be run automatically on every boot, so if you use 4.1/2 then you dont need todo a fsck manually
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[14:51] <ppq> oh, nice
[14:51] <sraue> Viperisthebest01, if xbmc dont write anything then the filesystem cant be corrupted, OpenELEC byself dont write much at runtime
[14:52] <Viperisthebest01> it doesn't write anything if you stream a movie
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[14:52] <sraue> no, except xbmc does something in the background
[14:52] <Jck_true> My raspbmc install ran of my TV's USB port - So when I choosed the shutdown entry on my Pi it would send a CEC command causing the tv to power off... Instantly killing it's own power
[14:52] <Viperisthebest01> like what
[14:53] <Jck_true> Updating plugins, updating library, writing log files etc etc
[14:53] <sraue> like what... like updating the lbrary, but i think its stopped if you watch/stream a video
[14:53] <ppq> with raspbmc that can be problematic since it uses a rw fs, afaik
[14:54] <Viperisthebest01> sraue OpenELEC 4.1/4.2 is unstable at the moment, still in beta
[14:55] <sraue> yeah but the plan is to release as a stable very soon
[14:55] <sraue> maybe another 1-2 betas, then the stable
[14:55] <Viperisthebest01> I hope it is soon cause I like how it would run fsck
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[14:56] <sraue> why not use the last beta? its not much more unstable then the last stables
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[14:57] <Viperisthebest01> the beta right now is 4.1.3
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[15:00] <Viperisthebest01> is that what you mean by the last beta sraue?
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[15:00] <sraue> yes
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[15:01] <Viperisthebest01> and by last stables you mean 4.0.7?
[15:01] <JFlash> guys I have a project where I need to detect if a bike will is turning or is stopped
[15:01] <JFlash> is raspberry pi right for me?
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[15:01] <sraue> Viperisthebest01, yes
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[15:01] <JFlash> also, should I use Python or Johnny-Five for this?
[15:01] <gordonDrogon> JFlash, the detection isn't the issue - it's (probably) what you're going to do with the data - Pi makes it easy to ethernet/wifi data off...
[15:01] <JFlash> I don't program in C
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[15:02] <JFlash> gordonDrogon: I'm going to play and stop playing a video
[15:02] <gordonDrogon> then Pi might make that easier than arduino - depends how you want to play the video.
[15:03] <Viperisthebest01> Sraue Are you using the last beta?
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[15:04] <sraue> Viperisthebest01, because i am a OpenELEC developer i use something between the last beta and the next beta, and i use something which will be OpenELEC later
[15:04] <SpeedEvil> Balzy: err - yes - mental maths
[15:04] <sraue> which will be OpenELEC 5.0 later <-- i mena
[15:05] <sraue> mean
[15:05] <Viperisthebest01> I'm going to install the beta
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[15:06] <sraue> Viperisthebest01, you can update to the beta from 4.0.x and if you dont like it you can downgrade to 4.0.7 from 4.1.x
[15:07] <Viperisthebest01> oh ok
[15:07] <sraue> simply put the tarfile in the Update samba share
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[15:10] <sraue> DanDare, if xbmc 13.2 is released as stable (which openelec 4.2 will be based off)
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[15:12] <Viperisthebest01> for some reason when I stream a video using icefilms addon with openelec it freezes
[15:12] <DanDare> sraue, ah.. sorry.. was trying to make a joke but Im not too good doing it
[15:14] <sraue> Viperisthebest01, isnt icefilms a pirate addon? you dont will get any support from OpenELEC and XBMC devs if its the case, then you should ask the addon devs... but i would recommend to avoid such addons
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[15:16] <Viperisthebest01> I wasn't asking any devs, was asking other people
[15:16] <DanDare> sraue, im not used to openlec, just tried raspbmc one. openelec contains 'force_turbo=1' on its boot configuration?
[15:17] <Viperisthebest01> openelec is not overclocked already
[15:17] <Viperisthebest01> raspbmc is
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[15:20] <DanDare> I particularly think that's very gross that any system is actually voiding people's warranty without any advice
[15:20] <sraue> OpenELEC dont overclocky by default, we think its a hardware change, and can be risky. it should be up to the users who spend their money to risk breaking the hardware. other then that it makes more sense to improve XBMC/OpenELEC with the default clockings then "hide" speed issues with overclocking
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[15:22] <DanDare> agreed. but must be explicit user decision. as it can void a warranty
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[15:25] <Viperisthebest01> What does force_turbo=1 do then?
[15:26] <DanDare> Viperisthebest01, at least the last time I tried raspbmc (1 week ago), it contained force_turbo=1 on its configuration boot file
[15:27] <Viperisthebest01> I don't think that overclocks anything
[15:27] <Tenebrous> force_turbo keeps the CPU at max speed and doesn't let it auto adjust iirc
[15:27] <DanDare> Viperisthebest01, for what I read, it triggers a register bit inside ARM, registering you used it. For what I read force_turbo=1 voids the warranty
[15:27] <Viperisthebest01> DanDare it does what Tenebrous said it does
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[15:28] <sraue> force turbo afaik means the rpi dont clocks down if its "idle", so it means you run always at the full clock... changing the clock at runtime needs some time, so if you run at lower clock and you need more power you will benefit some seconds later from the full clock after its needed
[15:29] <Viperisthebest01> but it doesn't overclock?
[15:29] <DanDare> Viperisthebest01, "orce_turbo or current_limit_override are specified (which set the warranty bit)"
[15:29] <DanDare> http://elinux.org/RPiconfig
[15:30] <DanDare> or "force_turbo - Disables dynamic cpufreq driver and minimum settings below. Enables H.264/V3D/ISP overclock options. Default 0. May set warranty bit"
[15:30] <DanDare> warranty is a vendor specific term. one must ask vendor if it will or not void the warranty
[15:30] <shiftplusone> force_turbo alone does not void the warranty. there's a specific set of conditions
[15:30] <DanDare> thus the word "may void" I guess
[15:31] <shiftplusone> (force_turbo || current_limit_override || temp_limit>85) && over_voltage>0
[15:31] <Viperisthebest01> but openelec doesn't overclock unless you tell it to DanDare
[15:31] <sraue> no it dont overclock, but disable changing the speed at runtime, if you dont overclock it runs always at 700MHz so this option does nothing, but if you overclock to 1GHz for example it runs at 1GHz if its needed and then clocks down to 700MHz if not needed - with force turbo it runs always at 1GHz thats why they decided to break the warranty
[15:31] <DanDare> Viperisthebest01, I know, you said that. Im talking about raspbmc
[15:32] <sraue> also the RPi clocks normally down if its at 80C or so, force turbo afaik prevent this too
[15:32] <HoloPed> Can someone recommend a camera motion detection app for the pi? I tried RPi Cam and found it to be very unreliable.
[15:32] <Viperisthebest01> DanDare why did you say earlier then that openelec contains force_turbo=1 then
[15:33] <DanDare> Viperisthebest01, I never said that.
[15:33] <Viperisthebest01> yeah you did
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[15:33] <DanDare> No I dont :)
[15:34] <Viperisthebest01> you said openelec contains it on it's boot configuration earlier
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[15:35] <DanDare> Viperisthebest01, oh yeah, really. Im sorry... I meant raspbmc, my fault
[15:35] <sraue> http://paste.fedoraproject.org/125240/40793689/ thats the default config
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[15:35] <sraue> see line 58
[15:35] <sraue> force_turbo=0
[15:36] <DanDare> anyway, looking further, seems that only force_turbo=1 will not void any warranty anyway http://www.raspberrypi.org/introducing-turbo-mode-up-to-50-more-performance-for-free/
[15:36] <Tenebrous> usually you specify arm_freq and arm_freq_min, and it'll automatically adjust up to arm_freq if the cpu usage is above a certain %. force_turbo just keeps it at arm_freq and never drops to _min
[15:37] <DanDare> anyway, its unclear "are now able to offer a “turbo mode”, which dynamically enables overclock and overvolt under the control of a cpufreq driver, without affecting your warranty"
[15:38] <Viperisthebest01> What does dynamic overclocking mean?
[15:38] <DanDare> force_turbo=1 dont do this, it just force highest freq all the way
[15:38] <Tenebrous> aye
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[15:39] <DanDare> Viperisthebest01, I think its overclock adjusted by CPU governors. means that if theres anything demanding CPU time, CPU freqs goes down
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[15:39] <Tenebrous> apparantly, setting force_turbo=1 and overvolting will set the sticky bit
[15:39] <DanDare> err* increasing CPU, decreasing, accordingly usage
[15:39] <Tenebrous> ugh, actually that's from an old google result thing so not sure if still relevant
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[15:40] <DanDare> Tenebrous, its unclear. At least reading http://www.raspberrypi.org/introducing-turbo-mode-up-to-50-more-performance-for-free/ makes me think force_turbo will void warranty. But its not implicit on the text
[15:40] <Tenebrous> actually the wiki says: "NOTE: Setting parameters other than that available by 'raspi-config' will set a permanent bit within the SoC, making it possibly to detect that you Raspberry Pi has been overclocked. This was meant to void warranty if the device has been overclocked. Since 19th of September 2012 you can overclock your Raspberry Pi without affecting your warranty"
[15:40] <DanDare> err* its implicit but not explicit
[15:41] <Tenebrous> oh, but then links to the same post you linked to
[15:41] <Tenebrous> so yeah, still a bit unclear
[15:41] <Technicus> Off topic question . . . does anyone know of an irc channel for discussing web develoopment?
[15:41] <Tenebrous> actually, maybe another change the implemented prevents the warranty thing, which is detecting if the CPU is > 85 degrees C and... doing something
[15:42] <Tenebrous> DanDare: it looks to suggest that if you do overclocking via raspi-config, you can't void warranty
[15:42] <DanDare> Technicus, dont know any general channel. we have #php #javascript #apache and so on
[15:42] <Tenebrous> but it's silent on editing cmdline.txt etc yourself
[15:42] <Tenebrous> er, thinger.
[15:42] <Tenebrous> config.txt
[15:42] <DanDare> Tenebrous, raspi-config will never set force_turbo=1 IIRC
[15:43] <Tenebrous> aye that's what i mean
[15:43] <Tenebrous> the only time they say "won't void warranty" is in relation to using the settings in raspi-config
[15:43] <DanDare> Tenebrous, that was the starting of this conversation, some stock image(s) contains force_turbo=1
[15:43] <Tenebrous> aaaah
[15:43] <Tenebrous> sorry, didn't scroll enough
[15:43] <DanDare> np :)
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[15:45] <Viperisthebest01> so force_turbo=1 overlocks then
[15:45] <Tenebrous> no
[15:45] <Tenebrous> force_turbo=1 stops it automatically dropping the freq when underused
[15:46] <Viperisthebest01> stops what
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[15:49] <RaTTuS|BIG> the ARM
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[15:51] <Viperisthebest01> Do I need to use force turbo?
[15:51] <RaTTuS|BIG> what do you want to do
[15:52] <Viperisthebest01> I just use mine to watch video
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[15:53] <Viperisthebest01> I also stream video
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[15:54] <Viperisthebest01> I'm guessing no Rattus
[15:55] <Tenebrous> you never normally need to force_turbo
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[15:55] <Tenebrous> if the CPU usage goes up, it'll auto increase the freq by itself (if you have arm_freq higher than arm_freq_min ofc)
[15:55] <crised> Which is the safest OS for running a webserver?
[15:55] <DanDare> considering all the available options, with CPU governors, force_turbo=1 looks a bit stupid IMO
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[15:56] <RaTTuS|BIG> sorry - been away - no, no need to
[15:56] <DanDare> though im not sure how efficient are the governors
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[15:57] <Viperisthebest01> governors?
[15:58] <DanDare> Viperisthebest01, https://www.kernel.org/doc/Documentation/cpu-freq/governors.txt
[15:59] <DanDare> Viperisthebest01, basically a configuration that tells CPU to increase or decrease the CPU clock upon demand
[16:00] <Viperisthebest01> What does initial_turbo do?
[16:00] <DanDare> Viperisthebest01, instead of force_turbo=1, that will keep CPU freq at max speed, all the time
[16:01] <Viperisthebest01> the initial_turbo for openelec is set to 30
[16:01] <Viperisthebest01> Is that the default for XBMC?
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[16:02] <DanDare> Viperisthebest01, XBMC is just a program, it doesnt have any to do with turbo modes
[16:02] <DanDare> Viperisthebest01, force_turbo=1 is a default for raspbmc (at least it was 1 week ago)
[16:05] <Viperisthebest01> yeah but there is another setting called initial_turbo
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[16:05] <DanDare> Viperisthebest01, i dont know what i means or what it does (thats new for me)
[16:06] <DanDare> *what it means
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[16:06] <Viperisthebest01> initial_turbo Enables turbo mode from boot for the given value in seconds (up to 60) or until cpufreq sets a frequency. Default 0
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[16:07] <Viperisthebest01> So should I set initial_turbo to 0 instead of what it is on already which is 30
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[16:08] <DanDare> Viperisthebest01, ok. Im not sure what you mean by "turbo mode". If its the same as "turbo mode" as explained here http://www.raspberrypi.org/introducing-turbo-mode-up-to-50-more-performance-for-free/ it looks ok then
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[16:09] <DanDare> it says on that page "“turbo mode”, which dynamically enables overclock and overvolt under the control of a cpufreq"
[16:09] <RaTTuS|BIG> http://elinux.org/RPiconfig#Overclocking
[16:09] <Viperisthebest01> initial_turbo doesn't do the same thing as force_turbo
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[16:11] <Viperisthebest01> Rattus openelec sets initial_turbo to 30, should I set it to 0?
[16:11] <DanDare> Viperisthebest01, for what sraue explained, i think you should just keep at it is already
[16:13] <Viperisthebest01> there is a # by some of those settings, does that mean they are commented out?
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[16:15] <DanDare> Viperisthebest01, # indicates the setting is not applied (commented lines)
[16:15] <Viperisthebest01> ok
[16:15] <Viperisthebest01> then initial_turbo is not applied cause it has that by it
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[16:19] <HoloPed> Can someone recommend a camera motion detection app for the pi? I tried RPi Cam and found it to be very unreliable.
[16:20] <DanDare> HoloPed, im used to zoneminder, its very cool. But im not sure if pi is capable to handle it reliably
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[16:22] <DanDare> HoloPed, this sounds promising http://www.raspberrypi.org/forums/viewtopic.php?f=41&t=61787
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[16:25] <silenius> yay, got audio^^
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[16:28] <HoloPed> DanDare, so the pi is just the camera, and zonemider runs elsewhere ?
[16:28] <HoloPed> or does it run on the pi
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[16:34] <DanDare> HoloPed, its possible to have both, but it commonly installed on own computer thats capturing the video. From that post i understand they are running it all from the pi
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[16:49] <zero_coder> hey , i am searching for an external usb sound adapter for raspberry pi.
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[16:49] <zero_coder> wondering if this works
[16:49] <zero_coder> http://www.ebay.in/itm/HI-SPEED-EXTERNAL-USB-TO-3D-AUDIO-SOUND-CARD-ADAPTER-7-1-VIRTUAL-CHANNEL-SOUND-/221517871899?pt=IN_Computer_Components&hash=item33937e7b1b
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[16:55] <Tenebrous> that looks like the one they sell on modmypi https://www.modmypi.com/usb-sound-adapter
[16:56] <thedudeintx82> Hey everybody. I have a question about the PiFace adapter. Does the orientation matter? I know it was meant for the Model B but I have a B+ and would require some sort of extension to make it work on the new board.
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[16:57] <crised> Which would be the right rooom to ask about Digital Signage in Linux?
[16:58] <zero_coder> crised, try #linux
[16:59] <benny-> crised, what do you mean with digital signage? Oo
[16:59] <crised> zero_coder: thanks
[16:59] <crised> benny-: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Digital_signage
[17:00] <zero_coder> Tenebrous, looks like , but no company name or product name attached
[17:00] <benny-> and how is it related to linux?
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[17:00] <Tenebrous> zero_coder: aye, agreed, does seem a bit 'generic'
[17:01] <zero_coder> Tenebrous, it says it has linux support
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[17:01] <Tenebrous> i'll trying a naff old cheap thing tonight probably, http://www.factorydirect.ca/images/specs/SO0001.jpg
[17:01] <Tenebrous> i'm*
[17:02] <zero_coder> Tenebrous, i bought that thing already, its cheap, and it doesnt work :)
[17:02] <zero_coder> not linux compaptible.. it doesnt work with my laptop either :)
[17:02] <Tenebrous> ah right - i already had about 5 of them from ages ago
[17:02] <Tenebrous> oh, this'n works fine on my windows machine
[17:02] <zero_coder> works fine on windows , i tried
[17:03] <Tenebrous> ah
[17:03] <Tenebrous> i figured as i already had them i'd try them :D
[17:03] <Tenebrous> spent enough £ on this already haha
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[17:06] <zero_coder> :D
[17:07] <lost_soul> spent enough? C'mon now.. Pi's aren't that expensive :\
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[17:08] <lost_soul> even if you get the all inclusive bundle
[17:08] <zero_coder> lost_soul, it depends on what part of the world you are from and what do you for a living
[17:08] <zero_coder> :P
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[17:09] <Tenebrous> hehe
[17:09] <Tenebrous> i'm up to about £500 for my project
[17:09] <Tenebrous> not really sure what i'm going to do about audio atm actually
[17:10] <lost_soul> 500 pounds, what kind of project? Automation of somesort?
[17:10] <Tenebrous> well that includes a couple of tools and stuff that'll be re-used ofc
[17:11] <lost_soul> ahh.. sounds like cost inflation to me :P
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[17:11] <Tenebrous> hehe
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[17:19] <Tenebrous> r-pi, tft screen (for messing around), 9" LCD (which i'm waiting for), 3 ZX Spectrum+s (two just cases, one "working"), zx spectrum->usb converter board, 32GB usb stick, 4 torque hinges, various cables and wires and sockets and plugs and stuff
[17:19] <Tenebrous> hehe
[17:19] <Tenebrous> oh also 7-port usb hub, hdmi switch, and a couple of mini bluetooth keyboards which i'll probably ebay anyway
[17:20] <Tenebrous> the zx spectrum usb keyboard converter was £55 :( but i'll probably ebay/return that and use the Teensy i'm getting instead for that
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[17:21] <DanDare> for the parts you mentioned, consulting my profile checker system, it says that yoy are 'the
[17:21] <DanDare> mad scientist'
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[17:22] * Tenebrous nods
[17:22] * Tenebrous 's needle swings all the way over to 'mad scientist'
[17:22] <Tenebrous> not a euphemism
[17:22] <DanDare> :)
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[17:46] <Tenebrous> anyone know of a 7-port USB hub that can provide 5.2V @ 2A ?
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[17:56] <RaTTuS|BIG> not in USB specs no... ;- - but you'll need a 3A supply to provice 6ports with 500mA ....
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[17:58] <RaTTuS|BIG> usb 3.1 can provide 2A ...
[17:58] <Tenebrous> not intending to have 500mA on each port
[17:58] <RaTTuS|BIG> what do you want to do
[17:58] <Tenebrous> 500mA on one, and probably 2A on another
[17:58] <Tenebrous> well, trying to find a way to power the HDMIPi screen as well as some usb things and the r-pi
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[17:59] <Tenebrous> HDMIPi can be powered thru usb, so long as it is provided with 5.2v and 2A
[17:59] <RaTTuS|BIG> get one of the HDMIpi PSU's
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[18:00] <Tenebrous> aye, but then what powers the pi & wifi etc
[18:00] <Tenebrous> trying to have just one power connector coming into the case
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[18:04] <RaTTuS|BIG> OK - as I understand it - just get a decent 3A 5V psu and power the HDMIPi from that - it will then power the RPI and what you plug into it
[18:04] <Tenebrous> that sounds good to me
[18:05] <Tenebrous> actually the HDMIPi also has a 12V barrel-type input, but still outputs power to the pi, so that's probably what i'll do
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[18:06] * RaTTuS|BIG goes to check [I got this on kickstarter]
[18:07] <Tenebrous> there's some info in the comments: https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/697708033/hdmipi-affordable-9-high-def-screen-for-the-raspbe/comments
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[18:09] <RaTTuS|BIG> yeah - need to wait a bit l-p
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[18:10] <Tenebrous> aye
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[18:13] <RaTTuS|BIG> I do have a couple of those regualted PSU's - http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/UK-Stock-DC-5V-12V-Universal-Regulated-Switching-Power-Supply-for-LED-Strip-CCTV-/400671565030? sort of thing 5V - 10A and 5A ones - at least one of them outputs 5.2V .... so YMMV
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[18:15] <Tenebrous> aye, cool
[18:15] <Tenebrous> ty
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[18:15] <Tenebrous> grabbed some LM2596S DC-DC converter things as well for another project
[18:15] <RaTTuS|BIG> make sure you test what you buy - sometimes .... you never know what oyu end up with
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[18:15] <RaTTuS|BIG> Aye - I ahve somew of those also ;-p
[18:15] <Tenebrous> welp, we'll see :D
[18:16] <Tenebrous> aye :) the hdmipi guy mentioned using them a lot and they're dirt cheap
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[18:16] <RaTTuS|BIG> http://www.raspberrypi.org/forums/viewtopic.php?f=41&t=83993&p=594370#p594370
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[18:17] <Tenebrous> that's what i was reading :)
[18:17] <Tenebrous> useful info there
[18:17] <Tenebrous> i may use battery power later, but gotta get the hdmipi and get it all mostly working before i consider that
[18:18] <neutrino> Tenebrous: does the IC require some other components as well ?
[18:19] <neutrino> the LM2596s
[18:19] <Tenebrous> oh they come as a little built thing already
[18:19] <Tenebrous> sec
[18:19] <Tenebrous> http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/141210161794
[18:19] <neutrino> theres no need of addtional caps or inductors or resistors
[18:20] <Tenebrous> nope
[18:20] <Tenebrous> i read it from here http://raspi.tv/2014/hacking-the-unicef-hdmipi
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[18:21] <neutrino> oh its a circuit board
[18:22] <neutrino> i will need some components if i were to get the IC alone
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[18:22] <Tenebrous> oh. yeah you would, sorry, misunderstoo
[18:22] <Tenebrous> d
[18:23] <Tenebrous> i think generally you can just buy the whole thing though
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[18:26] <neutrino> well a little bit of soldering wouldn hurt me now ; i think i can get those ic's and the passive componets well under 2 dollars around here
[18:26] <Tenebrous> oh sure
[18:26] <Tenebrous> but i just spent £6 on 5 of the pre-built ones ;)
[18:27] <Tenebrous> actually converting that up you're right, $2 each
[18:27] <Tenebrous> nevermind
[18:27] * Tenebrous shuts up
[18:27] <neutrino> thats dollar 5 for 5 ! ?
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[18:28] <neutrino> well i'd go for it .. saves me some trouble
[18:28] <Tenebrous> no i paid $10 for 5 of them
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[18:28] <Tenebrous> and they don't even come from china! \o/
[18:28] <neutrino> oh cool
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[18:29] <neutrino> ust curious ...do you have the pound sign as well as the dollar sign on your keyboard
[18:29] <neutrino> *just
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[18:29] <Tenebrous> aye i do
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[18:29] <Tenebrous> 3 has £, 4 has $ and €
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[18:30] <neutrino> cool cool , oh and by the way , i like asking this question often .. well a lot of people do i think .. what do you do with your pi ?
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[18:31] <shiftplusone> I break everyone's firmware with mine.
[18:31] <neutrino> shiftplusone:
[18:31] <neutrino> ?
[18:32] <shiftplusone> (interning at the pi foundation, do a bit of firmware work once on a while)
[18:32] <neutrino> ah .. lol
[18:32] <neutrino> oh yeah you mentoned that once
[18:32] <DanDare> now I know who to blame
[18:32] <DanDare> :p
[18:32] <neutrino> so how do you get to intern at the foundation
[18:32] <shiftplusone> >.>
[18:33] <shiftplusone> dumb luck
[18:33] <shiftplusone> and I've been involved with them from the early days, so they knew me quite well.
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[18:36] <neutrino1> shiftplusone: disconected .. didnt catch your reply if you did ;
[18:36] <shiftplusone> <shiftplusone> dumb luck
[18:36] <shiftplusone> <shiftplusone> and I've been involved with them from the early days, so they knew me quite well.
[18:37] <neutrino1> oh okay
[18:37] <neutrino1> shiftplusone: are you rob ?
[18:37] <shiftplusone> nope
[18:37] <neutrino1> lol .. okay
[18:37] <shiftplusone> I would be a serge.
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[18:40] <neutrino1> just a guess .. cause everyone knows rob ... he's all over the place :P
[18:40] <neutrino1> surprisignly not so much these days
[18:41] <shiftplusone> Aye, that's a shame.
[18:41] <neutrino1> does the foundation have anything to do with the odroid W by the way ?
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[18:43] <DanDare> Where can I get the correct sources to compile/test Quake ?
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[18:44] <DanDare> nvm, i think this is https://github.com/raspberrypi/quake3
[18:45] <shiftplusone> 'tis
[18:45] <shiftplusone> home time
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[18:51] <autrilla> What's the most stable XBMC distribution for the raspi?
[18:51] <IT_Sean> OpenELEC, IMO.
[18:53] <lost_soul> agreed
[18:53] <IT_Sean> It's also the least fiddly to set up
[18:54] <lost_soul> I would say the least resource intensive too
[18:54] <IT_Sean> Quite Pastably
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[18:59] <autrilla> Hmh, i see
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[19:24] <Jusii> crised: what about digital signage? I work in DS and we have also RPi based products
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[19:28] <lost_soul> nice, found a 3.8A supply
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[19:37] <GentileBen> lost_soul you should aim for the skies and look for a 3.9A power supply.
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[19:39] * IT_Sean slaps GentileBen with a 4.0A power supply.
[19:39] <lost_soul> GentileBen: LOL, you'll have to forgive me... it's been hell trying to find a psu that doesn't freeze unless I use a powered hub
[19:40] <lost_soul> I've been through three so far.. this last one does pretty well, but will still freeze if I don't plug my remote sensor in to a powered hub
[19:40] <GentileBen> IT_Sean, how's life in IT?
[19:41] <IT_Sean>
[19:41] <IT_Sean> I can't answer that without violating the channel language policy.
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[19:43] <IT_Sean> Dammed Users.
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[19:44] <IT_Sean> So... yeah... it's flippin' great, GentileBen.
[19:44] <clever> lol
[19:44] <clever> i recently delt with a user that had 96% packet loss to my server
[19:45] <clever> his friends where asking if it was a firewall, and if logging into google would fix it
[19:46] <clever> this is more likely the cause: http://www.zdnet.com/internet-hiccups-today-youre-not-alone-heres-why-7000032566/
[19:46] <IT_Sean> I've got one user who has had his ability to send mail cut off, as he is within 2% of full on his FIFTY GIG mailbox. He is trying (unsuccessfully) to argue that he "is entitled to unlimited storage, as (he) is subscribed to our most expensive email package". Uh, yeah... a package with a 50 gig storage cap.
[19:46] <clever> lol
[19:46] <clever> how did he fill a 50gig mailbox?
[19:47] <IT_Sean> And at the rate his mailbox is filing up, it'll be about a day and a half when his inbound mail gets cut off.
[19:47] <IT_Sean> clever, he has every goddamn mail his company sends CC'd to him, and he never deleted anything, ever.
[19:47] <IT_Sean> He has email dating back to 1997 in there.
[19:47] <clever> omg, lol
[19:48] <IT_Sean> He is also complaining that outlook takes a really long time to open.
[19:48] <IT_Sean> Gee... i wonder why! (-_-)
[19:48] <clever> lol
[19:48] <clever> and i'm only using 0.32gig on gmail, and i rarely delete things
[19:49] <shiftplusone> IT_Sean, why do you know what's in his inbox? -_-
[19:49] <shiftplusone> That's google's job >=/
[19:49] <IT_Sean> shiftplusone, he sent me a screenshot of it, to illustrate the urgency of every piece if mail in there.
[19:49] <shiftplusone> ah
[19:49] <IT_Sean> *of
[19:50] <IT_Sean> Relax... I don't make it a practice to snoop in people's mailboxen.
[19:50] <clever> what if you just tell him how to make a local folder, and move all the junk over?
[19:50] <clever> so he can keep it on his own disks
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[19:51] <IT_Sean> clever, he needs it all on the server so he can access it from anywhere, apparently. ::eyeroll::
[19:51] <clever> then pray his system fails and he has to reformat
[19:51] <IT_Sean> Meh... i've stopped caring at this point. If he hits 10% his inbound starts bouncing with "mailbox full" NDRs.
[19:51] <IT_Sean> *100%
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[19:52] <clever> what do you think of the part i mentioned?, how they where saying to login to google to fix packet loss issues? lol
[19:53] <DanDare> just show him the "terms of service" followed by "theres nothing we can do about it" :p
[19:54] <GentileBen> IT_Sean you need to get some certs and move away from desktop support.
[19:54] <GentileBen> I recommend the GentileBen Certified IT Professional cert.
[19:54] <IT_Sean> Does that include heavy weapons training?
[19:54] <DanDare> my box usually grows to 4~5Gb/year. Each year i make a full backup and clean everything out from the box
[19:55] <GentileBen> The GCIT is highly-sought by hiring managers the world over.
[19:55] <GentileBen> IT_Sean: only anally-weilded nunchucks.
[19:55] <IT_Sean> Not interested.
[19:55] <GentileBen> wielded*
[19:55] <GentileBen> Then the GCIT is not for you.
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[19:55] <IT_Sean> If it doesn't include heavy firearms training, and dead user disposal training, it's useless to me.
[19:55] <GentileBen> You want easy-ass certs? Get the MCSA and CCNA.
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[19:56] <IT_Sean> I've got a CCNA. Fat lot of good it did... haven't touched a Crisco appliance since/
[19:56] <GentileBen> Those have real market value unlike the useless ones (A+, VCA, MTA, etc.)
[19:56] <GentileBen> IT_Sean, then you must hang your head in shame or get the CCNP R&S.
[19:56] <GentileBen> I'm guessing your CCNA is R&S?
[19:56] <IT_Sean> I'm actually Quite Happy here.
[19:56] <GentileBen> A CCNA R&S doesn't set you apart from the crowd.
[19:56] <IT_Sean> Actually, my CCNA is likely expired. :p
[19:56] <GentileBen> No, I'm going to mentor you.
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[19:57] <GentileBen> CCNA Data Center is well regarded because not every Indian IT worker in the world has one.
[19:57] <IT_Sean> I really am quite happy here... I've just got a wicket migrane and too many dammed tickets today.
[19:57] * IT_Sean flicks his office lighting to Dim Red, and dials down the brightness on his LCDs.
[19:57] <GentileBen> CCNA R&S is probably the most popular filler / H-2B cert in the world.
[19:57] <GentileBen> Boot camps galore.
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[19:59] <clever> http://www.reddit.com/r/cableporn/comments/2ddexe/setting_up_the_new_lan_closet_cableporn_or/
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[20:07] <Tenebrous> ah brill
[20:07] <Tenebrous> the cheapy C-Media USB audio thing worked straight off, no problems
[20:07] * Tenebrous listens to joyful zx spectrum loading sounds
[20:08] <DanDare> Tenebrous, the colored version?
[20:08] <Tenebrous> hmm?
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[20:08] <DanDare> colors in the terminal
[20:09] <DanDare> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mbumzCdw4Ts
[20:09] <Tenebrous> oh
[20:09] <Tenebrous> yeah
[20:10] <Tenebrous> https://s3.amazonaws.com/pushbullet-uploads/udqn9-O8e1AJOhgzFGxKOZUA3zxrtjcHxsZ3hL/IMG_20140803_194009.jpg
[20:10] <IT_Sean> oooooh
[20:11] <IT_Sean> color
[20:11] <IT_Sean> faaaaancy
[20:13] <crised> Jusii: ^
[20:15] <DanDare> I guess the coloring thing was to make it less boring to wait. Also to check when it loses sync
[20:16] <DanDare> well, just to make it less boring. for sync errors, there were sync errors just :)
[20:16] <DanDare> *was
[20:16] <Tenebrous> sound's a bit crackly though, but i'm sure i have misconfigured it etc
[20:17] <Tenebrous> plus i'm using the tft thing with a frame buffer copier which is using a bit of CPU
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[20:21] <samba35> Hello friends , i am new to raspnerrpi ,this is my 1st post to channel so please ......... me ,thanks
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[20:23] <samba35> on which site i can get all information about raspnerrypi ,and its applications
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[20:25] <shiftplusone> raspberrypi.org, elinux.org, google.com
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[20:25] <ShadowJK> rpi is an application of sand
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[20:26] <samba35> i am from india ,i want to buy a board ,can you please tell me which should be starting point to explore
[20:27] <DanDare> samba35, http://www.raspberrypi.org/
[20:27] <samba35> thanks
[20:28] <DanDare> samba35, np :)
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[20:29] <samba35> i am look for a board ,which board i should buy ?
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[20:30] <IT_Sean> You can buy any of the three versions of raspi. They all run the same software.
[20:30] <neutrino> samba35: what else would the raspberrypi channel suggest :P ( if your question is between different SBC's)
[20:30] <neutrino> among the pi's you could go for the B+
[20:30] <samba35> ok
[20:30] <DanDare> samba35, preferable the B+ (B plus) version, as it's improved compared to older versions
[20:30] <samba35> Thanks
[20:30] <neutrino> samba35: what do you intend to do with it ?
[20:31] <DanDare> samba35, this is a cool video about the B+ https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8ua7dkTLGII
[20:32] <samba35> i am tying to explore possibility to build home entertainment center based on linux or make be some other os
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[20:33] <samba35> is androd /chrome also supported on B+ boards ?
[20:33] <IT_Sean> Not officially.
[20:33] <neutrino> samba35: yeah the pi should do it ; although theres a lot more boards out there
[20:33] <IT_Sean> I believe there has been some effort to run Android on a Pi... not sure of the current status, personally.
[20:34] <neutrino> cubieboard , marsboard, hummingbird , odroid (really powerfull ones this one)
[20:34] <neutrino> and they are all priced differently too
[20:34] <neutrino> so take your pick based on what you feel you need to do
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[20:35] <neutrino> ofcourse keep in mind the pi has possibly the best support among all of them
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[20:35] <samba35> thanks
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[20:41] <converge> Im using raspberry with apache/mysql and there is a long http ajax call that always shows a 500 Internal Server Error, does someone knows what could be wrong ?
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[20:42] <neutrino> converge: you could try in #apache as well ;
[20:42] <canton7> converge, check the apache logs
[20:45] <converge> nice
[20:45] <converge> PHP Fatal error: Maximum execution time of 30 seconds exceeded in
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[20:47] <DanDare> converge, check the PHP code. It its pi being too slow to process that you can try tweaking max_execution_time variable in /etc/php5/apache2/php.ini
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[20:48] <converge> DanDare: nice, ill check it
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[20:49] <rosapoP> that error sounds more like bad code than slow hardware
[20:49] <DanDare> rosapoP, thats usually the case. And, if some code can be executed properly in your platform, bad code anyway :p
[20:49] <DanDare> *cant
[20:50] <rosapoP> also check premissions if you get number errors
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[20:51] <DanDare> or network problems I guess, in the case PHP is fetching something outside without success
[20:53] <DanDare> im sure it will not work properly but still want to test tomcat running on pi
[20:53] <converge> I think it's bad code
[20:54] <DanDare> converge, some additional test would be monitoring CPU usage while the code is running. Maybe to spot "how" its a bad code
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[20:55] <rosapoP> somebody said "php sucks" i told them to use JSP or ASP on a pi. they stoped arguing.
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[20:57] <DanDare> hahaha good one, really
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[20:58] <DanDare> php sucks in many ways, if you dont use it properly. True also for ASP, its relative
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[20:59] <DanDare> well, thats no php that sucks commonly but people are prone to produce sucking code using it
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[21:00] <shiftplusone> There are alternatives beside ASP O_o
[21:01] <Armand> "If you want it to load quickly, use HTML!"
[21:01] <DanDare> I personally dont think I need any alternative to PHP
[21:01] <DanDare> *think
[21:01] <DanDare> bah
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[21:02] <shiftplusone> sure, and many people don't need alternatives to java, but java still sucks =P
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[21:03] <rosapoP> java on a pi is kind of adding insult to injury
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[21:04] <DanDare> heh
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[21:06] <DanDare> i think theres many reasons of apache being responsible for 58% of total market share for web servers. Not a perfect argument but in general people stick to what is best
[21:06] <BitEvil> No, they don't.
[21:07] <BitEvil> People stick to the local minima of what they know is acceptable.
[21:07] <BitEvil> nobody investigates the hundreds of possible webservers before deciding which one to use
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[21:08] <DanDare> ok, argument accepted
[21:08] <DanDare> Anyway, i personally think linux + apache is the best option. A bit of what you said plus im just happy with it
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[21:11] <DanDare> its a matter of offered benefits, windows reign on desktop world and linux on server world, not just by people's ignorance but concrete facts
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[21:16] * shiftplusone is forced to have windows on one laptop =/
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[21:27] <steve_rox> [Saint]: so why do you have such a large collection of polymorph? :-P
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[22:37] <cmoneylulz> exit
[22:37] <cmoneylulz> exit
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[22:38] <shiftplusone> he got it in the end
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[22:43] <IT_Sean> ...
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[22:47] <Lope> my raspberrypi's VNC session crashed (it seems) and it's not responding to a SSH connection. But it does reply to pings. I have it OC'd at the standard turbo setting of 1000mhz
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[22:47] <Lope> could it be too much OC? My PSU is good quality.
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[22:47] <Lope> any way to get into it?
[22:48] <IT_Sean> 1GHz is kinda pushing the upper limit, and each pi is different as far as it's tolerance to OC'ing. Try dialing it back a bit...
[22:48] <Lope> should I just power cycle it now?
[22:48] <Lope> will do
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[22:48] <Lope> what about the RAM? I hear the RAM OC's with ease? should I just dial back the CPU freq?
[22:49] <SiC> does the BCM not clock itself back automatically if it gets too hot?
[22:49] <IT_Sean> SiC, Yes, it does.
[22:49] <SiC> I knew that those heatsinks are useful then
[22:49] <SiC> :p
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[22:50] <Lope> So what limit do you think I reached? RAM or CPU?
[22:50] <shiftplusone> Hmm... looks like there's some other compute module kickstarter that was already funded (homey), but I'm not sure I get that one. Then again, I expect many people not to get the point of slice.
[22:51] <shiftplusone> Lope, simple test.... turn off overclocking. Does it work then? Turn it back on.... did it stop working?
[22:51] <shiftplusone> If you think overclocking has an affect, play around with the different settings until you find a stable setup.
[22:52] <shiftplusone> elinAll the info you need is here http://elinux.org/RPiconfig
[22:52] <IT_Sean> It really does just come down to intelligent trial and error, dude.
[22:53] <shiftplusone> better yet, http://www.raspberrypi.org/documentation/configuration/config-txt.md
[22:53] <Lope> shiftplusone: it runs for days or weeks without crashing, so it's not a simple test. I just dialled them all back a few %
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[22:54] <shiftplusone> I am 90% certain your settings have nothing to do with it. It's one of those things where if you're exceeding the limits, you'll know fairly quickly.
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[22:54] <shiftplusone> How did you determine that the PSU is good quality?
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[22:55] <lost_soul> it has a nifty sticker on it as all of the good quality ones do :p
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[22:57] <Lope> it's a blackberry charger
[22:57] <lost_soul> has anyone tried using those relatively cheap lcd's off ebay for basic Pi usage.. I realize that trying to stream a movie on one would likely look like crap but would one of those LCD's be okay for something like a picture frame?
[22:57] <Lope> rated for 700mA. I'm not running anything in the USB ports. Just a LAN cable and a SD card. No HDMI either.
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[22:58] <lost_soul> 700mA seems a bit weak
[22:58] <Lope> lost_soul: workable. I bought a cheap LCD sold as a reversing camera on ebay. it cost 14 GBP :) 3.5" or something
[22:58] <lost_soul> Lope: nice, TY
[22:59] <shiftplusone> so if you want to rule out clock settings, go back to defaults and run it for a few weeks again.
[22:59] <Lope> lost_soul: look in the car section, and the computer/electronics section
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[22:59] <Lope> shiftplusone: I'd die of the slowness :p
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[22:59] <Lope> I've just dialled everything back about 25mhz, and will see if that helps
[22:59] <lost_soul> Lope: yea, I've seen them but held off buying until I got confirmation they were decent enough to do what I want to do with them
[23:00] <Lope> lost_soul: you can even read relatively small text on them. I was surprised at the quality and stability of the picture.
[23:01] <lost_soul> Lope: did you have a black border around everything using the composite plug?
[23:01] <Lope> lost_soul: 700mA is not weak, the model B with HDMI in use needs 500mA then it offers 100mA to each of it's USB ports. I'm not using any USB devices, and I'm not using HDMI either.
[23:02] <Lope> lost_soul: I can't recall. TBH I'm not sure I've even hooked it up to the pi. I used it with a VGA to composite converter.
[23:02] <Lope> That's one thing I didn't test. How good the Pi's composite output is.
[23:03] <lost_soul> Lope: I've used three 5V 2A supplies and my model B has kept freezing when a remote sensor is plugged in the usb unless the usb hub has power plugged into it. Also worth noting is that the remote sensor is the only thing plugged in to it.
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[23:03] <lost_soul> Lope: I just wasn't sure if hdmi could be hooked in to those el-cheapo ebay LCDs
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[23:04] <Lope> lost_soul: I don't think that's a power issue. The USB ports on the pi are crappy. My pi also crashed when I plugged in a USB wifi dongle. But after letting it reboot it worked perfectly.
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[23:05] <Lope> no dude. HDMI is a digital video output. You need a HDMI monitor for that, or a DVI monitor with a HDMI>DVI cable.
[23:05] <lost_soul> Lope: well, unfortunately I need a remote of some type.. and this thing has frozen and got reset a dozen times if it has once
[23:05] <Lope> You can't use a VGA monitor at all with the RbPi.
[23:06] <Lope> The cheap monitors use composite. The Pi has a dedicated composite video output for that purpose.
[23:06] <Lope> lost_soul: what about if you leave the remote plugged in and don't plug/unplug while the pi is on?
[23:06] <lost_soul> Lope: okay, I thought you tried one of those lcd's on your pi and had mentioned pictures so figured you had used composite.. When you said you hadn't tested the composite outputs I figured hdmi was your only other option
[23:07] <lost_soul> Lope: the remote sensor stays plugged in
[23:07] <lost_soul> it won't detect if I plug it in while the pi is running
[23:08] <Lope> Nono, misunderstanding. I said the cheapo screens are good. I used my 3.5" screen with a VGA to composite converter on a different computer. I've not hooked up any composite screens to my pi yet.
[23:08] <Lope> Are u making some home theater thing?
[23:09] <lost_soul> two if the supplies I actually checked the voltage coming off the board and it was low.. 4.25V-4.70V. I haven't yet tested this third supply that way but it was rock solid until someone booted the system up and forgot to plug the usb hub power up
[23:09] <lost_soul> ah
[23:10] <Lope> 4.25 is not too bad.
[23:10] <lost_soul> Lope: actually I've been running it for over two years now on my Pi.. Running openelec
[23:10] <Lope> what's that?
[23:10] <lost_soul> media center software based off xbmc
[23:11] <lost_soul> frigging thing works great except for the freezes. The interface is a bit slow too, but that is to be expected with such a low power system
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[23:13] <Tenebrous> bah, stuttering audio thru usb when something uses the wifi, i'm sure that's a known issue though so will google tomorrow :D
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[23:14] <shiftplusone> Tenebrous, what's the wifi dongle? output of lsusb to pastebin?
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[23:14] <shiftplusone> likely it doesn't to hw decryption and eats up your cpu
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[23:33] <takkie> people, i've checked about this before, but what about this Slice.. are they not pressed to release everything CC licensed?
[23:36] <gordonDrogon> they can release it with whatever license they want, as long as they follow the rules for any existing licensed software they are using.
[23:37] <takkie> they're planning on release of "plenty" hardware info, but no schematics
[23:37] <gordonDrogon> e.g. gpl for the kernel, etc.
[23:37] <gordonDrogon> why should they release schematics?
[23:37] <takkie> i was thinking because they're using the compute module.
[23:37] <gordonDrogon> they might - and it might be possible to work out what's there, but they don't have to.
[23:37] <takkie> dont know, that's why i'm asking.
[23:38] <gordonDrogon> I don't know for sure either - but I do know that they don't have to...
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[23:40] <shiftplusone> what's cc licensed that they're not releasing?
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[23:43] * gordonDrogon guesses CC is creative commons - sometimes used for hardware...
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[23:44] <takkie> well, while questioning this issue, i've been reading up.
[23:44] <gordonDrogon> on ... ?
[23:44] <takkie> the CC license used for RPi.
[23:45] <gordonDrogon> didn't realise it was CC licensed.
[23:45] <shiftplusone> Where outside of the documentation is CC used?
[23:45] <gordonDrogon> ah, docs - standard wiki licensing unless you change it usually..
[23:45] <gordonDrogon> CC isn't 'viral' like GPLv3.
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[23:46] <takkie> ooow wait, you're right shiftplusone. it only applies on the documentation. dang.
[23:48] <shiftplusone> It would be crazy to require CC on the compute dev board.
[23:48] <shiftplusone> Would pretty much rule out the use case it's designed for.
[23:48] <gordonDrogon> I suppose the schematic would be nice to have, but really... what would you do with it? (other than copy it)
[23:49] <takkie> was hoping it was.
[23:49] <takkie> gordonDrogon: offcourse i would copy it, for personal use.
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[23:49] <gordonDrogon> I meant copy as in produce a clone board ...
[23:49] <takkie> i love that RPi made the B+, but rather have all IO on one side, just like the Slice.
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[23:50] <takkie> also, i wonder what 5Ninjas how the designed the sata interface for the HDD.
[23:50] <shiftplusone> It... wouldn't fit O_o
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[23:51] <shiftplusone> takkie, a sata to usb chip like you find in external hard drives
[23:51] <takkie> yeah, that's what i'm thinking.
[23:51] <shiftplusone> When hooked up to a PC, it will actually hook up that chip directly, bypassing the CM.
[23:52] <takkie> CM being compute module?
[23:52] <shiftplusone> aye
[23:52] <takkie> interesting.
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[23:55] <takkie> while i'm here. I've been looking into B+ and still haven't found a clear answer on this; what are the max speeds on the USB ports and Ethernet port?
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[23:55] <steve_rox> probly same as previous models
[23:56] <shiftplusone> depends
[23:56] <gordonDrogon> it's USB 2, so 480Mb/sec.
[23:56] <shiftplusone> theoretically, that ^
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[23:56] <gordonDrogon> that's the raw bus speed - the actual peripherals are free to add latency to the usb packets bouncing back & forth.
[23:56] <shiftplusone> in practice, whatever you're doing is likely to have a processing overhead, so it's hard to reach that
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[23:57] <shiftplusone> of course ethernet is 100Mb
[23:57] <shiftplusone> (but that's a part of the 480Mb
[23:57] <gordonDrogon> and you can achieve > 95Mb/sec over Ethernet (at least I can in some simple tests I've done)
[23:57] <shiftplusone> yup, iperf will confirm that
[23:57] <shiftplusone> , but again.... overhead.
[23:58] <shiftplusone> if you try to scp files..... not gonna happen.
[23:58] <gordonDrogon> and duplex - USB2 is half duplex and there is overhead swtiching the bus, etc.
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[23:58] <gordonDrogon> FTP isn't bad - much much better than scp as there's no encryption.
[23:58] <shiftplusone> TLDR, CPU is the bottleneck, not the USB bus.
[23:59] <takkie> gordonDrogon: you tested this on the B+?
[23:59] <shiftplusone> b+ is the same as b when it comes to usb

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