#raspberrypi IRC Log


IRC Log for 2014-08-14

Timestamps are in GMT/BST.

[0:00] <takkie> k
[0:00] <gordonDrogon> takkie, no, but on a B.
[0:00] <shiftplusone> (other than current limiting and all that)
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[0:23] <abnormal> will you ppl quit going in/out all the time and make some conversations for a change???
[0:25] <ppq> erm
[0:25] <ppq> this is the IRC
[0:25] <IT_Sean> abnormal: see if your IRC client will let you ignore or hite part & join lines.
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[0:25] <ppq> in case you forgot ;)
[0:26] <IT_Sean> People will come and go as they please.
[0:27] <abnormal> ok, even if I uncheck the enabling login the in/outs still keep going and is boring...
[0:27] <abnormal> I am in Pidgin
[0:27] <abnormal> on my RPi
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[0:31] <abnormal> see? it's still logging in/outs...
[0:31] <shiftplusone> abnormal, so how was school?
[0:31] <abnormal> boring... I graduated like, back in 1992... lol
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[0:32] <shiftplusone> So... ahm... how about the weather then?
[0:32] <shiftplusone> With its... cycles... and stuff
[0:32] <abnormal> I work for Eaton corp now.. sunny, cool, abt 68 out
[0:33] <shiftplusone> great.... great...
[0:33] <shiftplusone> Well, that's as much conversation as I can have at a time. I'm out.
[0:33] <therion23> any of you tried SDL under raspbian or arch? just wondering how the speed is
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[0:34] <abnormal> shud I go back to xchat on my pi? I'm using Pidgin and I can't get the login/outs to stop...
[0:34] <shiftplusone> xchat is much better than pidgin, yeah
[0:34] <shiftplusone> pidgin is more of an IM client
[0:34] <abnormal> ok then how do I uninstall pidgin?
[0:34] <shiftplusone> therion23, fine, but depends on what you're doing. Word ont he street is that SDL2 actually uses hw acceleration on the pi, so it should be pretty snappy.
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[0:35] <therion23> oh nice .. i really only have to slap some tiles onto a surface but i would of course like it flicker free and with a decent update speed
[0:36] <therion23> no 3D or GL or any new school high tech :)
[0:36] <shiftplusone> gordonDrogon, still awake? Did you get around to using SDL2?
[0:36] * uccio is now known as zz_uccio
[0:37] <abnormal> shiftplusone: how do I uninstall pidgin?
[0:37] <shiftplusone> same way as you uninstall anything else, using apt-get
[0:38] <abnormal> can you pls walk me thru it so I can do it correctly Pls...
[0:38] <shiftplusone> sudo apt-get remove pidgin
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[0:39] <abnormal> ok thank you.. I'll lose chat for a while..
[0:40] <gordonDrogon> shiftplusone, no, not yet...
[0:40] <shiftplusone> ah
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[0:41] <gordonDrogon> just not had the time - or energy right now.
[0:42] <shiftplusone> I can imagine
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[0:51] <therion23> looks like SDL2 is using OpenGL ES 2.0 in hardware on the pi
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[0:52] <therion23> but from what i am reading, it is fullscreen only, you have to go back to SDL1.2 for windowed mode
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[0:58] <shiftplusone> why go for windowed mode?
[0:58] <therion23> cos SDL2 supports multiple windows?
[0:58] <therion23> could be handy for something i guess
[0:58] <shiftplusone> O_o
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[1:01] <DanDare> So. Pi doesn't have any ADC input pin? Not present even on B+?
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[1:01] <shiftplusone> DanDare, correct
[1:01] <DanDare> ok, thanks
[1:02] <shiftplusone> doesn't take much to throw some cheap adc on there though
[1:02] <wcfields> Is it possible to use both the SPI and the composite video simultaniously ?
[1:02] <DanDare> right
[1:02] <shiftplusone> wcfields, yeah, why not?
[1:02] <MY123> wcfields: Yes.
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[1:03] <wcfields> cool, just curious if it's impossible due to bandwidth contraints or some such thing
[1:03] <shiftplusone> different, unrelated hw blocks, so you're fine.
[1:03] <DanDare> Any suggestion on a (good/comprehensive) starting guide to pi I/O gpio's?
[1:03] <wcfields> Project is getting this: https://www.adafruit.com/products/1601, having it as a touch-screen interface to playback stored MP4's over the composite video. Like a "video sampler"
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[1:04] <DanDare> where I can have a overview on what's available about serial/SPI/I2C etc?
[1:04] <wcfields> related question: has anyone used any USB video capture devices for the Pi?
[1:04] <shiftplusone> DanDare, depends on what level you want to get in on. The peripherals documentation has all the low level stuff about what's available and how to drive it.
[1:04] <[Saint]> wcfields: be advised that I'm fairly sure its incompatible with the B+ as yet
[1:04] <shiftplusone> DanDare, what lanuage do you use?C ?
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[1:05] <DanDare> shiftplusone, im more used to C, yes
[1:05] <abnormal> thot u were leaving, shiftplusone
[1:05] <DanDare> If it needs python.. I will need to learn that :¹
[1:05] <shiftplusone> abnormal, I lied
[1:05] <[Saint]> Nothing /needs/ python. ;)
[1:05] <shiftplusone> DanDare, nuh, no need for python. Look up wiringpi.
[1:06] * [Saint] wishes python would die.
[1:06] <[Saint]> Oh. And php.
[1:06] <shiftplusone> [Saint], why?
[1:06] <abnormal> oooo... lied? hmmm... well I am back in Xchat now... still can't get into SpotChat server.... shiftplusone
[1:06] <[Saint]> I just despise them both.
[1:06] <rosapoP> python hurts my eyes
[1:06] <[Saint]> Fairly irrational. I just hate it.
[1:06] <shiftplusone> I think python is overrated and abused, but there are legitimate use cases.
[1:07] <[Saint]> Especially php.
[1:07] <shiftplusone> I can't defend php, it's just ridiculous.
[1:07] <[Saint]> :)
[1:07] * rosapoP likes C style languages
[1:07] <rosapoP> php <3
[1:07] <DanDare> shiftplusone, I have wiringPi installed, did just very basic tests with it, using bash.
[1:07] <[Saint]> Need more malbolge.
[1:08] <[Saint]> </s>
[1:08] <DanDare> but, the OS will have great impact on it, right?
[1:08] <shiftplusone> DanDare, what do you mean?
[1:08] <DanDare> Like on wiringpi site its said that the tone generator would not produce accurate tones e.g.
[1:08] <DanDare> because if CPU goes high, I/O pin interrupts goes low
[1:09] <shiftplusone> That doesn't matter unless you need to do very time sensitive things. The issue is not cpu usage.
[1:09] <shiftplusone> A well written program will barely use the CPU, it will take advantage of what the hardware offers (PWM and DMA, for example).
[1:09] <DanDare> Lets say I want to drive a shift register on my own.. timing issues will not be a issue e.g.?
[1:09] <DanDare> right
[1:10] <shiftplusone> I think you should just dive in and see for yourself
[1:10] <DanDare> lets say I want a tone generator, that must be some exact musical note. Is that even possible?
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[1:11] <DanDare> shiftplusone, yeah, you re right
[1:11] <shiftplusone> DanDare, how do you think the analog audio works?
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[1:11] <DanDare> shiftplusone, not from GPIOs I suppose
[1:11] <shiftplusone> From GPIOs
[1:11] <shiftplusone> using pwm
[1:11] <DanDare> and not using any high-level language I suppose
[1:12] <shiftplusone> C
[1:12] <shiftplusone> The one true language
[1:12] <DanDare> ok
[1:13] <DanDare> so pi uses pi through a onboard filter to get sound? thats interesting
[1:13] <DanDare> *PWM
[1:14] <shiftplusone> There are simple RC filters, but of course you'd expect that in an PWM audio circuit.
[1:14] <shiftplusone> I don't know what magic they did on the B+ to improve the audio quality though
[1:14] <shiftplusone> something about sigma delta and magic.
[1:14] <DanDare> I think more related to noise filtering, but im not sure
[1:14] <DanDare> heh
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[1:17] <DanDare> Just trying to figure capabilities. Lets say I hook a ADC directly to pi using I2C, its feasible to build a microphone for pi that way? Pi will be capable to capture all the samples without lag ?
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[1:18] <shiftplusone> depends on the chip, I suppose
[1:18] <shiftplusone> but yes, absolutely
[1:18] <DanDare> lets say at 22Khz
[1:18] <shiftplusone> look at the wolfson audio card
[1:18] <DanDare> ok, nice, thanks
[1:18] <shiftplusone> the pi supports i2s, which is used by the high quality audio chips
[1:19] <shiftplusone> http://www.element14.com/community/community/raspberry-pi/raspberry-pi-accessories/wolfson_pi
[1:20] <shiftplusone> The thing with the pi is that a lot of the limitations are due to software not utilising the hardware fully. You can do hell of a lot without even touching the ARM.
[1:20] <shiftplusone> But that requires time and effort.
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[1:22] <SpeedEvil> DanDare: Well - the problem with I2C is that you have to read each sample individually
[1:23] <SpeedEvil> And the Pi only has one core
[1:24] <DanDare> SpeedEvil, I see
[1:24] <SpeedEvil> I note also that 'no' delay is almost meaningless.
[1:24] <DanDare> yeah
[1:24] <DanDare> true
[1:24] <SpeedEvil> A millisecond delay is gotten if you move the mic 30cm away
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[1:26] <DanDare> My curiosity is more about time constants. Like If I set a pin to read data at some freq, if it will keep that freq regardless what CPU is doing etc
[1:26] <shiftplusone> The CPU is not the problem, the GPU is.
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[1:26] <shiftplusone> (well, the CPU is partially the problem, but that's mostly due to linux... there are realtime patches)
[1:27] <SpeedEvil> DanDare: Not with I2C
[1:27] <DanDare> SpeedEvil, nice to know then
[1:27] <shiftplusone> yeah, not with the 'special' pins
[1:27] <SpeedEvil> DMA is a posibility
[1:27] <shiftplusone> if you just do one reason after another over gpio, without using DMA or anything like that, you'll have some limitations, but that's not the right way to do it.
[1:28] <DanDare> but then one must go low level like to have it
[1:28] <shiftplusone> How low are you comfortable with?
[1:28] <DanDare> shiftplusone, got it
[1:28] <DanDare> shiftplusone, nothing :p
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[1:29] <DanDare> well, i know a little bit about uC stuff, but even that.. just very little
[1:29] <shiftplusone> For example, to use DMA, you create a little structure in memory which tells what to copy to where, load its address into a DMA's control block address register and then fire it off.
[1:29] <shiftplusone> I'm oversimplifying, but that's kind of it.
[1:29] <DanDare> yeah, I know how it works in the theory
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[1:29] <shiftplusone> There are some gotchas, like getting the bus address, worrying about l1 and l2 cache and so on.
[1:29] <DanDare> and eat ARM datasheet (bible)
[1:31] <shiftplusone> Anyway, if I don't sleep now, I'll be a zombie at work. 'night
[1:31] <DanDare> heh
[1:31] <DanDare> shiftplusone, have a good one. thank you
[1:31] <shiftplusone> thanks
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[1:34] <DanDare> well, still a mystery that I must just go and experiment. Like if Im using UART to communicate to external world. not having a stable clock can be potentially a good source of trouble
[1:35] * [Saint] hopes Wolfson releases a B+ version of their audio card in HAT format
[1:35] <[Saint]> That would definitely not suck.
[1:36] <[Saint]> DanDare: but by all means, if you have an A/B/B2, check out the Wolfson audio adapter card.
[1:36] <DanDare> [Saint], cool. Will do it
[1:37] <[Saint]> Stereo RCA out, mic in, dedicated DAC and preamp, et.
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[1:37] <[Saint]> *etc
[1:37] <abnormal> yeh, too bad they cost more than the pi
[1:37] <[Saint]> The price is totally appropriate.
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[1:37] <DanDare> abnormal, i read $34. May be fair for what it offer
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[1:38] <[Saint]> Extremely so.
[1:38] <DanDare> crazy times where connectors costs more than own IC's :D
[1:38] <abnormal> ok... is it from Element?
[1:38] <[Saint]> The pi would cost a LOT more if it wasn't all buddy-buddy with Broadcom.
[1:39] <DanDare> abnormal, i dont know, just taking a look at http://www.adafruit.com/products/1761
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[1:39] <abnormal> oh in Adafruit... ok
[1:39] <DanDare> I read 'element 14' on board
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[1:40] <DanDare> [Saint], it can play from 5.1 surround source?
[1:40] <DanDare> I mean, actually delivering 5.1 to speakers, of course
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[1:41] <DanDare> hmmm,... im just lazy atm to go read the specs :p
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[1:46] <DanDare> after i dumbly messed with USB +5V rails, now, the analog audio out has also a rumbling noise if any USB device is connected
[1:46] <[Saint]> DanDare: sacrificing mic in, yes, I believe it uses the standard configuration for dual-purpose mic in/center+sub out.
[1:47] <DanDare> and, i didnt tried audio prior to messing there. So, noise at analog output is common when using USB or is that I just broke something?
[1:47] <DanDare> [Saint], I see
[1:48] <[Saint]> Analog audio noise is known, yes.
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[1:48] <[Saint]> Hence the efforts to clean it up in the B+
[1:48] <DanDare> If theres nothing connected to USB= crystal clear. If something is connected even read/writes on SD makes noise
[1:48] <DanDare> I see
[1:49] <DanDare> I mitigated it using a 1200uF cap, but still noisy
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[1:49] <[Saint]> I haven't attempted to use 2.1/5.1 out on the Wolfson audio card ; so I may be speaking out of my bumhole.
[1:50] <DanDare> ok, no problem. Just a curiosity anyways
[1:50] <[Saint]> I've only used it for stereo out.
[1:50] <[Saint]> Its a damn nice card.
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[1:50] <DanDare> been checking lately if its possible to strip out analog audio from HDMI, but its not that simple ...
[1:50] <[Saint]> Actually makes using the pi for audio bearable.
[1:50] <DanDare> because HDMI output is always clear
[1:51] <pksato> use a hdmi audio extractor
[1:51] <[Saint]> I /believe/ the pi can do HDMI analog audio passthrough natively.
[1:51] <[Saint]> No?
[1:51] <DanDare> pksato, nice, will try to find it, something thats not over complicated
[1:52] <DanDare> been checking HDMI specs, but all i got was being more confused about it :p
[1:52] <pksato> cheap is on hdmi to vga converter.
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[1:53] <DanDare> they are bulky, and costly
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[1:53] <DanDare> (the audio extractor thing)
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[1:54] <abnormal> DanDare, build one urself.. u'd be more satisfied...
[1:54] <DanDare> abnormal, i think theres a reason they are costly, not that simple inside
[1:55] <pksato> is not only hdmi pin to extract audio. audio is on main digital video stream.
[1:55] <DanDare> my requirements arent high, im satisfied with a clean stereo output, so maybe jut going to look forward for a B+
[1:55] <abnormal> I know, DanDare but you could make one like a Mcintosh...
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[1:57] <pksato> http://www.dx.com/p/hdmi-male-to-vga-male-converter-adapter-w-3-5mm-audio-jack-black-143151
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[1:58] <DanDare> oh cool, this one looks great (by its price and size)
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[1:59] <pksato> ok if use vga video.
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[2:00] <DanDare> even better. only hdmi device right now is the TV. all my monitors are VGA still
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[2:02] <DanDare> great, I can buy it locally. guess this is the next thing to buy, thanks pksato
[2:02] <steve_rox> [Saint]: why do you have so much polymorph then ? :-P
[2:02] * [Saint] doesn't even have a monitor on most of his machines.
[2:02] <pksato> search more before buy, you can find one more cheap.
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[2:02] <DanDare> right
[2:02] <[Saint]> 30-something machines in the house, and 3 monitors.
[2:03] <[Saint]> All on the same workstation.
[2:03] <pksato> I found one on local store for 10x price of DX
[2:03] <steve_rox> :-/
[2:04] <DanDare> pksato, yeah, one I found is not same price but getting stuff from DX means i will need to wait 3~4 months
[2:05] <DanDare> well, hurry up!
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[2:06] <steve_rox> guess ill never know
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[2:29] <DJJeff> http://i.imgur.com/kY0065I.png
[2:30] <DJJeff> I love caanda!
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[2:38] <willmore> Hello, everyone. I have a Rev2 Model B which I have attached a 240x320 serial LCD. I have the driver loaded and everything works wonderfully. I mapped the console to it, but the screen blanks after 10 minutes.
[2:39] <willmore> Does anyone know how to change the backlight/screen blanking timeout for an fbdev?
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[3:11] <leio> willmore: maybe setterm -blank 0 ?
[3:12] <UnaClocker> willmore: I spent a month trying to crack that problem. Never did.
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[3:15] <Jeebiss> Anyone set up a usb parallel port adapter on their pi?
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[3:26] <phire> Digital electronics are easier than analogue electronics.
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[3:32] <phire> In analogue electronics world, my zenner diode wasn't close enough to it's spec of 3.3v (2.8v)
[3:33] <phire> which caused my mosfet to have too much of a voltage drop
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[3:33] <phire> stopping my pi from getting enough power, causing it to crash
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[3:35] <steve_rox> i need to learn about mosfets
[3:35] <phire> that's what I'm in the process of doing
[3:35] <phire> was my first analogue design.
[3:35] <steve_rox> im wondering if a spot welder could be made from it
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[3:35] <steve_rox> high charge caps and run it thu mosfet
[3:36] <steve_rox> no idea if it will destroy it
[3:36] <phire> I guess it would depend on the specs
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[3:36] <phire> this one is rated for 60amps (continuous, I think)
[3:36] <phire> but only 30v
[3:36] <steve_rox> id probly charge the cap to about 300-500v
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[3:38] <steve_rox> need to find a scrap one out of a pc psu to experment on
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[3:42] <willmore> UnaClocker, I think I have it. I changed a setting in /etc/kdb/config change the obvious line to "BLANK_TIME=0" and reboot.
[3:42] <willmore> leio, I would if I could get a terminal on the fb. The problem is it's just a little display--no keyboard associated with it, so no way to enter commands *in* it.
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[3:44] <willmore> I tried all the normal old linux stuff with setterm, but none of it seemed to make a difference. There are some files in /sys for it, but none of them seemed to make any difference.
[3:45] <willmore> The look of a blinking cursor on that tiny little screen is so cute. Then again, it's pretty much the same resolution as the C64 and Apple ][, so....
[3:46] <willmore> My two B+ boards are on the way. I can't wait!
[3:47] <UnaClocker> I still haven't gotten around to messing with my new BeagleBoneBlack.. And my new pcDuino got mailed out today.
[3:47] <willmore> They finally got an electrical *and* a mechanical engineer working on the design. :)
[3:47] <willmore> All the toys!
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[3:48] <willmore> Anyone aware of a cheap source for acrylic cases for the B+? Or just search eBay? :)
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[3:49] <UnaClocker> There are so many cases to choose from on eBay.. Pretty neat ones, pretty lame ones, pretty boring ones.. Whatever suits your taste.
[3:49] <willmore> If only I had a laser cutter. ;)
[3:50] <willmore> I bet someone in Indianapolis has one I could get a few minutes on.
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[3:53] <willmore> Darn, nothing cheap for the B+. I'll give it some time.
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[4:35] <steve_rox> most annoying trying to find a mosfet on old pc psu
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[5:09] <DJJeff> I just came back from 7 stores and none of them sell jumper/gpio cables
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[5:09] <DJJeff> I miss radio shack
[5:09] <DJJeff> they had all the do it yourself cables
[5:10] * [Saint] dislikes it when code that should work doesn't - exposing something awry at a much deeper level.
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[5:18] <phire> [Saint], what kind of code?
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[5:19] <Liam`> Would anyone be able to help me figure out why my Raspberry Pi (mobel b+) and my Kingston 8gb class 10 microsd card wants to throw the failed t resize FAT partition error, after using the official formatting utility?
[5:19] <Liam`> If I don't get support for NOOBS here, where would I go, as well.
[5:19] <[Saint]> the proprietary kind.
[5:20] <[Saint]> but, thanks.
[5:20] <phire> [Saint], yes I hate that too
[5:20] <phire> even worse is when it turns out there was a bug in your code the entire time
[5:21] <phire> and you missed it like 100 times
[5:21] * [Saint] is infallible
[5:22] <phire> right now I'm trying my hands at analogue electronics, and failing
[5:22] <DJJeff> I just found some chinese malware
[5:22] <[Saint]> I don't make mistakes.
[5:22] <[Saint]> I make optimizations.
[5:22] <DJJeff>
[5:22] <[Saint]> The compiler is wrong.
[5:22] <DJJeff> im in heaven
[5:22] <phire> it worked in sim, but sim assumed perfect zenner diodes
[5:22] <DJJeff> oh im in heaven
[5:23] <DJJeff> I hate what the world has become now I want to watch it burn
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[5:23] <DJJeff> its a rich mans world and im just taking up space
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[5:24] <DJJeff> so a router breaks and you find out you can use a pi to jtag it... but the jtag on the router is soooo small
[5:24] <DJJeff> no one sells the cables that fits it
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[5:25] <phire> ah, Hail
[5:26] <[Saint]> just got a spool of 22AWG wire.
[5:26] <[Saint]> phire: ...are you in NZ?
[5:26] <[Saint]> s/got/get/
[5:26] <phire> [Saint], yes I'm in Christchurch
[5:26] <[Saint]> whoah, dude.
[5:26] <[Saint]> creepy.
[5:26] <[Saint]> Waltham represent.
[5:27] <[Saint]> also - hail.
[5:27] <phire> we have had this conversation a few times
[5:27] * [Saint] has the long term memory span of a retarded goldfish
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[5:27] <steve_rox> i still wanna know what you did with all that polymorph
[5:27] <steve_rox> perhaps your ideas may inspire me
[5:28] <[Saint]> oh, sorry. I replaced a tow hook cover on Ms. [Saint]'s GTiR Pulsar that would've cost ~$280 otherwise
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[5:29] <steve_rox> a hook?
[5:29] <[Saint]> (for roughly a 12cm square piece of plastic
[5:29] <steve_rox> ahhh :)
[5:29] <steve_rox> i like that kinda creativity
[5:29] <steve_rox> its also very strong stuff when you make a polymorph chain
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[5:30] <[Saint]> Ummm, how do I explain it. Its the cover for the tow hook up the front, in the front body kit.
[5:30] <[Saint]> They're notorious for falling out and being difficult to source.
[5:30] <[Saint]> SOmeone stole hers.
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[5:30] <steve_rox> nice
[5:30] <[Saint]> ...because they're like unicorn poop.
[5:31] <steve_rox> i wonder if i could pull a car with a polymorph chain just for fun
[5:31] <steve_rox> really thick links tho
[5:31] <[Saint]> /proooooooobably/ not. ;)
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[5:31] <steve_rox> most i lifted with it was like 15-20 kg
[5:32] <DJJeff> [Saint], which male ends do I get to fit in my router?
[5:33] <[Saint]> With the polymorph and the tow hook cover, I just coverd the back of the hole with thick cardboard, held in place with a buttload of gaffer tape, them coated the area in vaseline and jammed a fistfull of polymorph in there and smoothed it off with a putty knife and more vaseline.
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[5:34] <[Saint]> DJJeff: if you really wante dto you could just get a bunch of female breadboard leads and snip one end off.
[5:34] <steve_rox> polymorph smooths out really well too when lightly heated
[5:34] <DJJeff> I would need to know how many MM the jtag hole is on my router?
[5:34] * [Saint] nods
[5:35] <[Saint]> also with an acetone vapor bath.
[5:35] <[Saint]> that's how I finished it off and made it all smooth.
[5:35] <[Saint]> heated acetone vapor.
[5:35] <steve_rox> heh i havent tryed acetone on it
[5:36] <[Saint]> it spontaneously combusts with high proof HF
[5:36] <steve_rox> i do have some acetone but rarely use it
[5:36] <[Saint]> (...the things you can buy on Amazon man...)
[5:36] <steve_rox> thinking maybe use it to desolve some that white blastic bubble stuff then try cast it in some shape
[5:36] <steve_rox> wonder if latex rubber gets damaged by acetone
[5:37] <[Saint]> Hydrofluric Acid, Sulphur, Nitic Acid, Potassium...
[5:37] <[Saint]> Its hilarious how easy it is to get into the country.
[5:37] <[Saint]> NZ customs ought to be ashamed.
[5:37] <steve_rox> can mould practically anything with the latex
[5:37] <[Saint]> I mean...errr...some other guy.
[5:37] <[Saint]> Yeah.
[5:37] <steve_rox> heh its not exactly leathel tho
[5:38] <[Saint]> HF is some pretty nasty stuff.
[5:38] <[Saint]> It eats your *bones* :-S
[5:38] <steve_rox> hehe nice
[5:38] <steve_rox> i made a hot wire setup earlier with nichome wire or something like that
[5:38] <steve_rox> cuts thu polymorph really easy
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[5:40] <[Saint]> http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/a/aa/HF_burned_hands.jpg
[5:41] <steve_rox> what is HF again
[5:41] <[Saint]> see how the finger is all flabby at the tip? The *bone* is _missing_. o_o
[5:41] <[Saint]> hydrofluoric acid
[5:41] <steve_rox> doesent it eat flesh?
[5:41] <[Saint]> "satins urine"
[5:41] <[Saint]> it does indeed.
[5:41] <[Saint]> There's very little it won't eat.
[5:41] <steve_rox> so if fingers are still present erm
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[5:41] <[Saint]> Except some specialty plastics.
[5:42] <steve_rox> i probly shouldent play with that stuff then
[5:42] <[Saint]> indeed not.
[5:42] <[Saint]> that is the result of untreated short term exposure.
[5:42] <[Saint]> dude washed it off and thought it was all sweet.
[5:42] <[Saint]> ...nope.
[5:43] <steve_rox> whats the treatment then? nutrilise with alcaline?
[5:44] <[Saint]> yeah, it needs to be neutralized.
[5:44] <steve_rox> and not played with
[5:44] <[Saint]> people more commonly blind themselves.
[5:45] <[Saint]> or accidentally get a lungfull, which is momentarily unpleasant apparently, but quickly passes, ...untill your lungs turn to soup. :-/
[5:45] <[Saint]> Anyhoo...
[5:45] <steve_rox> yeah i thought something like that may happen
[5:46] <steve_rox> perverted into nasty weapons im sure
[5:46] <steve_rox> slightly confused about the rpi b+ power senceing ablity
[5:47] <steve_rox> i know it displays that rainbow box when low
[5:47] <steve_rox> but could the same event be detected with a python script?
[5:47] <steve_rox> i havent seen any examples so i dont know
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[5:51] <steve_rox> [Saint]: you passed out ? :-P
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[5:53] <steve_rox> nice massive netsplit
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[5:55] <steve_rox> [Saint_]: are you alive?
[5:55] <[Saint_]> I am, howcome?
[5:56] * [Saint_] is now known as [Saint]
[5:56] <[Saint]> just fell off the net temporarily due to a system upgrade
[5:56] <steve_rox> who can tell
[5:56] <steve_rox> i dont know if you got my last msg
[5:56] <[Saint]> last I got from you was:
[5:56] <[Saint]> [15:45:49] <steve_rox> yeah i thought something like that may happen
[5:56] <[Saint]> [15:46:01] <steve_rox> perverted into nasty weapons im sure
[5:56] <steve_rox> no then
[5:57] <steve_rox> as i was saying
[5:57] <steve_rox> the rpi b+ displays when it has low power on screen , can this event be detected by a python script?
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[5:58] <rocketeer999> I can ssh into my main computer from the pi, but not the other way around:(
[6:01] <rocketeer999> Any help?
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[6:06] <evil_dan2wik> rocketeer999, is the sshd running on the pi?
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[6:06] <rocketeer999> How can I test that?
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[6:11] <Jesperhead> hey all Im trying to TS a problem on Beaglebone black and keep finding help regarding rpi's. The rpi solutions indicate a "config.txt" file needing modification. This config is related to HDMI and contain settings like " disable_overscan=1". What is this config? is there an equivalent on other distros?
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[6:12] <evil_dan2wik> Jesperhead, it is located on the SD card's boot partition.
[6:12] <evil_dan2wik> for the RPi
[6:13] <evil_dan2wik> I do no think that the BBB has that configuration. You would have to ask in the appropriate channel.
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[6:14] <Jesperhead> i shall do that, beagle aint bumpin' like here though.
[6:14] <evil_dan2wik> ok.
[6:14] <Jesperhead> thank you kindly for your input
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[6:14] <rocketeer999> evil_dan2wik: yes there is an instance of sshd running as root, if I run ps aux | grep sshd
[6:15] <evil_dan2wik> rocketeer999, are you able to SSH the pi from itself?
[6:15] <evil_dan2wik> Jesperhead, #Beagle
[6:15] <Jesperhead> evil_dan2wik: im already there thank you
[6:16] <evil_dan2wik> np.
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[6:17] <rocketeer999> evil_dan2wik: yes
[6:19] <evil_dan2wik> rocketeer999, are you able to ping the pi from your computer?
[6:19] <evil_dan2wik> Do you actually know the IP of the Pi?
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[6:40] <DigiSaint> does anyone know if the Raspberry Pi can power a USB sound card and it's speakers off the single 5v connection?
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[6:47] <Xark> DigiSaint: I believe for small values of "speakers" it works fine. :)
[6:49] <DigiSaint> Xark: I've got 3 speakers ~9 watts total. Is that pushing it?
[6:50] <DigiSaint> I was thinking of something like this http://www.ebay.com/itm/USB-6-Channel-5-1-External-Optical-Audio-Sound-Card-S-PDIF-Laptop-Notebook-PC-/380665750296?pt=US_Sound_Card_External&hash=item58a1726318
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[6:51] <Xark> DigiSaint: I think that is probably OK, but haven't done the math on 9 watts. :)
[6:51] <Xark> DigiSaint: Hmm, doesn't mention wattage. Are you sure it drives speakers directly?
[6:52] <DigiSaint> I have no idea :( I have an amplifier right now but its too large (form factor wise)
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[6:53] <lost_soul> DigiSaint: I have the same unit. I mentioned it one day in here and somebody said it isn't supported all that well
[6:53] <DigiSaint> the one I have has it's own power adapter and runs on 12v i think
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[6:53] <DigiSaint> lost_soul: did anyone recommend one that did?
[6:54] <lost_soul> DigiSaint: I didn't ask, sorry.
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[6:54] <DigiSaint> https://plus.google.com/106434094099288535625/posts/dMrMWVBxazk
[6:54] <DigiSaint> ^^ thats what im building
[6:54] <DigiSaint> two 3 inch speaker in front and a 4inch sub for the back
[6:55] <lost_soul> looks pretty decent
[7:00] <[Saint]> yes, it does look very cool.
[7:01] <DigiSaint> thanks!
[7:01] <DigiSaint> thats something I hadn't thought of. most of my computer speakers have their own power source
[7:02] <DigiSaint> guess it depends on the amp
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[7:02] <DJJeff> lol this router has a debug port????
[7:02] <DJJeff> http://i.imgur.com/bNssrEq.jpg
[7:03] <DJJeff> can I get at this even?
[7:03] <DJJeff> to use with pi
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[7:07] <lost_soul> I would think you should be able to, but honestly I have no clue
[7:07] <lost_soul> looks like a normal ethernet port to me
[7:07] <DJJeff> its a linksys debug port as well
[7:07] <DJJeff> im sure its not sold to the general public
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[7:12] <lost_soul> I would imagine the port is standard.. if anything is different it is likely the cable you attach to it
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[7:13] <lost_soul> kind of limiting to make a port a customer can only plug select devices in to for debugging purposes
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[7:13] <lost_soul> not to mention it looks pretty standard
[7:14] <lost_soul> when all else fails though, read the manual.. I'm sure if you don't have it you can download a copy of it.
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[7:17] <DJJeff> pretty sure linksys does not share this type of information to the general public
[7:18] <lost_soul> lol, okies
[7:18] <DJJeff> the PCB is made in foxconn china like most electronic items
[7:19] <lost_soul> so?
[7:20] <lost_soul> http://mennucc1.debian.net/lacie_network_space/nokia-ca-42/DD-WRT%20Forum%20%20%20%20View%20topic%20-%20Routers%20with%20serial%20port%20inside%20WAN%20port.html
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[7:21] <lost_soul> there is a thread discussing the serial in lan.. my guess is since the dd-wrt community documented things it likely isn't as closed as you might think ;)
[7:21] <lost_soul> which makes sense.. linksys is known for consumer grade routers, not enterprise.. That would be Cisco.
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[7:24] <DigiSaint> this looks more promising for a pi USB sound card http://www.ebay.com/itm/Zalman-Notebook-PC-5-1-Channel-External-USB-2-0-Surround-Sound-Card-Box-ZM-RSSC-/130916933684?pt=US_Sound_Card_External&hash=item1e7b41e034
[7:25] <DigiSaint> cmedia chipset
[7:25] <lost_soul> DigiSaint: nice... though before you buy I would toss the link up a couple times and ask for feedback from ppl who may have used it
[7:26] <RoBo_V> hey techTalkers, Morning !
[7:26] <lost_soul> I do remember reading somewhere that this guy had good luck with a card with a cmedia chipset though
[7:26] <lost_soul> morning RoBo_V
[7:26] <DigiSaint> According to the ebay desc (which is barely reliable): Output: Three (3) 3.5 mm stereo jacks (Front, Rear, Center/Subwoofer) 0.6W per channel
[7:27] <DigiSaint> morning RoBo_V
[7:28] <DigiSaint> if the amp/sound card doesnt put out enough power I wonder I could power the speakers separately
[7:29] <lost_soul> DigiSaint: if you put out to much power you'll need to bulk up the latches on the case so you don't blow them out.
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[7:30] <DigiSaint> hah, I may end up reinforcing & weighting it anyway
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[7:31] <DigiSaint> the speaker and amp setup is something I scavenged from one of those gaming rocker chairs and that 4 inch speaker rumbles pretty good
[7:31] <lost_soul> sounds like you want it to be more like a weapon
[7:31] <lost_soul> :\
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[7:33] <DigiSaint> I was just hoping for decent sound :) the two front speakers are pretty tinny sounding
[7:33] <DigiSaint> mounting them to the box made it sound a little better from the resonation
[7:33] <DigiSaint> but still lacking much bass
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[7:33] <lost_soul> you can always upgrade the speakers if you like it
[7:34] <lost_soul> you should look for some old altec lansing speakers... those things were awesome
[7:35] <lost_soul> DigiSaint: I had a set of these. http://www.publicsurplus.com/sms/auction/view?auc=573863
[7:35] <lost_soul> those things were great for the time.. got them in the late 90's
[7:36] <DigiSaint> haha, I remember those
[7:36] <lost_soul> they sounded nice
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[7:53] <RoBo_V> Guys let me one thing that if I use putty for SSH to execute some commands for ex if some downloading started and so if I close putty session it continues to do it or halts along?
[7:54] <benny-> it stops usually
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[7:54] <benny-> you can use "foobar &" for example to launch process in background, it shouldn't close if you add the &
[7:55] <benny-> or use screen, so start screen just with "screen", execute your command and release screen with CTRL+A+D
[7:55] <benny-> and if you login again you can use "screen -R" to open the screen again
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[7:56] <lost_soul> RoBo_V: install tmux or screen and you can detach the session and it will keep going
[7:57] <lost_soul> ah.. benny got ya covered
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[7:58] <RoBo_V> benny-: have to install foobar ?
[7:58] <benny-> foobar was just a placeholder for your command ;)
[7:58] <RoBo_V> lost_soul: I see
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[7:58] <benny-> foo & bar & foobar are used as placeholders in techtalk ;)
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[8:06] <RoBo_V> benny- oh ok XD
[8:07] <RoBo_V> so command is 'screen'
[8:07] <RoBo_V> right ?
[8:07] <benny-> yes
[8:07] <RoBo_V> let me write it down
[8:08] <RoBo_V> benny- and it is I juts there, we don't have to install anything right
[8:08] <RoBo_V> ?
[8:08] <benny-> depends on your distribution
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[8:09] <RoBo_V> debain/raspbian lastest
[8:09] <benny-> but most might have it installed
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[8:09] <benny-> never used raspbian/debian, so i couldn't answer that
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[8:09] <RoBo_V> ok anyways thanks :)
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[8:44] <neutrino1> benny-: we should get a new metayntactic variable for raspberrypi discussions :P
[8:45] <benny-> to confuse people even more? ]:>
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[8:48] <benny-> or something in ~/.profile like alias foobar='echo no no no, thats not the way to go!'
[8:48] <benny-> xD
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[9:11] <RoBo_V> benny-: any reliable free DNS setup for RPi, my modem firmware doesn't has it
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[9:12] <benny-> i don't use such services
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[9:57] <NameBrand> Does anyone use the watchdog functionality of the pi? I'm using it and it doesn't seem to actually reboot the device just halt it.
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[10:15] <Tenebrous> well.... bottoms. looks like i will be needing to reconsider how i power stuff with my zx spectrum project
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[10:22] <kiely> Can I delete the user pi from my rpi?
[10:25] <Triffid_Hunter> kiely: yes, but make sure you have another user with sudo permissions and/or a root password first so you don't lock yourself out
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[10:44] <Tenebrous> anyone happen to know how many amps the HDMIPi can provide to the Pi?
[10:44] <Tenebrous> can't find it
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[10:47] <gordonDrogon> Tenebrous, you're connecting stuff to a speccy ?
[10:48] <Tenebrous> nah i'm just using a speccy case & keyboard, it's innards are all r-pi things
[10:48] <gordonDrogon> a-ha :)
[10:48] <Tenebrous> i suppose the hdmipi will supply as much current as the input power supply can provide
[10:49] <gordonDrogon> no idea - never seen one
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[10:52] <gordonDrogon> I'd heard about it, but not really paid it any attention..
[10:52] <Tenebrous> i've ordered one, probably get it end of aug
[10:53] <NameBrand> Does anyone use the watchdog functionality of the pi?
[10:53] <gordonDrogon> so as I see/understand: it's multiple inputs - hdmi, vga, composite and flat-screen output...
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[10:53] <gordonDrogon> with a 1080p 9" screen.
[10:54] <RaTTuS|BIG> NameBrand yes I have a watchdog time on one of my RPI's
[10:54] <RaTTuS|BIG> timer*
[10:54] <RaTTuS|BIG> it gets rebooted if it hangs
[10:55] <NameBrand> RaTTuS|BIG: mine doesn't reboot, it just halts when the watchdog catches. Any idea why?
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[10:55] <gordonDrogon> NameBrand, does it reboot when you type: sudo reboot at it? I have one Pi that often doesn't.
[10:56] <shiftplusone> the b+ had trouble rebooting with older firmware
[10:56] <NameBrand> gordonDrogon: My problem is, the watchdog is watching for when the file system dissapears and then is supposed to watch it. During that situation I can't log in remotely, or if I happen to be connected remotely I can't cause a reboot because /sbin/reboot doesn't exist. File system is gone.
[10:57] <shiftplusone> ah, context... sorry.
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[10:57] <gordonDrogon> I think I'd want to know why the filesystem dissapears first...
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[10:57] <ShorTie> ya really
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[10:57] <NameBrand> gordonDrogon: no idea. Nothing in the logs, it just disappears. Once it does that, powercycle the device and it comes up like nothing happened.
[10:58] <NameBrand> gordonDrogon: so I setup the watchdog to reboot the thing whenever that happens since the watchdog is supposed to do it at the hardware level.
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[10:59] <NameBrand> I've got a pi in my closet at home which will spontaniously loose it's file system. This causes a problem as the system keeps running but can't write out leases to the file system and affects the network.
[10:59] <gordonDrogon> filesystems don't just dissapear - I fear you're solving the wrong problem, however its entirely possible that the watchdog code in the kernel needs something from the filesystem to perform the reboot. it's also possible that your Pi needs the power cycle to reset some bit of hardware somewhere that's not being reset on a powered-reboot. I'd connect up a serial cable and watch that to see if you get any more clues there.
[11:00] <NameBrand> The other pi that has the file system problem usually happens when doing updates. Lots of disk IO and it just looses itself.
[11:00] <NameBrand> I do syslog off-site and haven't been able to find anything in the logs.
[11:00] <gordonDrogon> I've not see problems like that for - well almost 2 years now.
[11:01] <NameBrand> I thought it was bad pi, so I swaped out the pi with the same issue. I've rebuilt the file system (format/install), and it's doing it on two different devices.
[11:01] <gordonDrogon> same SD card?
[11:02] <NameBrand> I thought it could be heat (no overclock), so I put a 20mm fan and some vent holes on the one at home, but the other one is in a 62F data center so heat shouldn't be an issue.
[11:02] <NameBrand> same SD cards in both devices, formatted and installed with no errors. Passed all checks I could think of.
[11:02] <NameBrand> *reformatted
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[11:03] <RaTTuS|BIG> vcgencmd measure_temp <- to see how hot it is
[11:03] <gordonDrogon> ok. I'd not rule that out though - the other thing to double check would be the power supply. I'm also presuming raspbian and the latest kernel/firmware(3.12.25+ or close)
[11:04] <RaTTuS|BIG> if you are running the fan from the GPIO are you pulling too much power
[11:04] <RaTTuS|BIG> if the file system goes then havbe you made sure that you are fully up to date and/or is the SDcard physically bent - use a springloaded peg to keep it in place
[11:05] <gordonDrogon> yea - a bit self defeating there (fan from gpio :)
[11:05] <NameBrand> RaTTuS|BIG: I run 5.1~5.3v USB wall warts, and the current meter on the one with the fan shows 450ma for the pi and fan combined.
[11:05] <NameBrand> I do keep them updated
[11:06] <NameBrand> temp = 36.9°C
[11:06] <NameBrand> for the one with the fan
[11:06] <ShorTie> 450ma for the pi and fan combined seems alittle low
[11:06] <NameBrand> Linux dhcp02 3.12.22+ #691 PREEMPT Wed Jun 18 18:29:58 BST 2014 armv6l GNU/Linux
[11:07] <RaTTuS|BIG> curent verion is .25+ .. but meh
[11:08] <NameBrand> You can see the pi that locks up the most here: http://rev.blamed.me/house/IMG_20140717_003500.jpg
[11:08] <RaTTuS|BIG> 450mA is very low for a RPi itself -
[11:08] <RaTTuS|BIG> is the SDcard bent ?
[11:08] <NameBrand> shouldn't be, bought it new and it's pretty much only been in a pi
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[11:09] <RaTTuS|BIG> but have you checked
[11:09] <RaTTuS|BIG> http://www.raspberrypi.org/forums/viewtopic.php?t=39843&p=327342
[11:09] <RaTTuS|BIG> there are some other reports liek that
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[11:09] <RaTTuS|BIG> check it and see
[11:10] <RaTTuS|BIG> and use a springloaded peg if it is .. it may work
[11:10] <RaTTuS|BIG> or a low profile microSD cardater and card
[11:10] <RaTTuS|BIG> back in 20
[11:11] <gordonDrogon> I spy the Pi in that photo :)
[11:11] <gordonDrogon> 36C is fine - actually cold for a Pi.
[11:12] <NameBrand> RaTTuS|BIG: the pi is connected to a networked PDU, so I can powercycle the thing with no human interaction. It boots fine and it'll run for weeks or a month between failures.
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[11:12] <gordonDrogon> very intermittent - very hard to track down then.
[11:12] <NameBrand> gordonDrogon: yea I just want it stable, except for the cpu being slow it's actually more resources than I normally give my *nix vm's.
[11:14] <gordonDrogon> I do know that Pi's run OK for over 49 days - there's a "feature" in wiringPi that stops some programs running if they run for >49 days...
[11:15] <gordonDrogon> I used to run Pi's for a long time, but haven't for a while now. I will have one online 24/7 soon - possibly 2.
[11:15] <NameBrand> It's weird as the one I've got out of state works fine except for the USB drive, and I pulled that.
[11:16] <gordonDrogon> (and I know as i've had some emails about the 49-day limit)
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[11:16] <NameBrand> out of state one: 09:15:57 up 95 days, 20:25, 1 user, load average: 0.00, 0.01, 0.05
[11:16] * gordonDrogon nods.
[11:16] <NameBrand> it runs scripts daily out of cron, nothing running continuious except for ntp, syslog and sshd
[11:16] <gordonDrogon> I think I'd go for a complete swap-out, if it's practical - new Pi, new SD...
[11:16] <gordonDrogon> and start with the latest Raspbian off the foundation site.
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[11:20] <NedScott> anyone handy with TFT displays via GPIO pins?
[11:21] <NedScott> I've got a screen that I'm 80% sure is compatible, but it lacks documentation on what some of the circuit board pins do
[11:21] <NedScott> that'll teach me to try to go cheap
[11:22] <NedScott> it was $9, but at this point I'm willing to shell out $30 for the same screen that just sits on the Pi
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[11:22] <NameBrand> gordonDrogon: yea I tried that before, except same SD but fresly formatted from the web.
[11:22] <NedScott> the worst part is, I think the LED backlight is messed up. It flickers when you press the screen
[11:23] <NedScott> well, that might be a good thing, because then I could ask for a refund..
[11:24] <NedScott> hmmm, I guess my question now is, does any one have a good recommendation for a GPIO LCD touch screen? :D
[11:28] <gordonDrogon> the adafruit one?
[11:29] <NameBrand> gordonDrogon: if there's any bend in the SD card it's extremely slight.
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[11:32] <Tenebrous> the adafruit TFT touch screen is great, i am using one temporarily
[11:33] <Tenebrous> https://www.modmypi.com/pi-tft-raspberry-pi-touchscreen?filter_name=tft
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[11:40] <NedScott> I know Adafruit isn't the cheapest supplier of such accessories, but I wouldn't mind buying from them, if only to support them
[11:41] <NedScott> they don't just sell the product, but they also take the time to make nice public tutorials and open source any software they might make/change.
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[11:54] <mgottschlag> NedScott: what kind of screen do you have?
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[14:31] <waem> Hello World,
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[14:31] <biberao2_> hi
[14:31] <ShorTie> Good Morning
[14:31] <biberao2_> anyone using rasplex?
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[14:34] <biberao2_> please
[14:34] <biberao2_> :D
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[14:35] <ShorTie> not i, but they do have a forum that might help https://forums.plex.tv/index.php/forum/126-rasplex/
[14:36] <biberao2_> the problem is ive asked
[14:36] <ShorTie> or maybe just ask your ? or state your problemo
[14:36] <biberao2_> i have 2 servers running plex
[14:36] <biberao2_> and rasplex only sees one
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[14:41] <ShorTie> i guess my first contaplation, since you have asked, is are you sure it supports multiple servers
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[14:41] <biberao2_> ShorTie: well on the phone ya
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[14:47] <biberao2_> :(
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[14:51] <iamanflder> hi guys.. whats the best OS these days.. all i want to do is znc and run a torrent client.. so lowest footprint with best functionality would be best
[14:52] <shiftplusone> arch
[14:52] <iamanflder> im gonna idle in here hoping for answers but i dont have highlight on.. so a pm would be appreciated
[14:53] <shiftplusone> or raspbian installed with raspbian-uanetinst
[14:53] <iamanflder> with what
[14:54] <iamanflder> i can attend the install ;)
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[14:57] <iamanflder> lsat time i installed raspbian the znc was really old.. so not sure i want to go back to that
[15:00] <waem> I am doing a volunteering year in Germany (DFÖJ) in a university and my year project aim is to display information for fishes detected through antenas in a huge aquarium. To do so I connect to the datalogger through a serial cable with Screen, it sends me the detections which I log and then am able to display the last detected fish. Would you recommend me to use raspberry pi for that? The thing is it's getting complicated as I need 1 'independent' monitor p
[15:00] <shiftplusone> if you want the latest and greatest, either arch or jessie, but some competence is assumed
[15:00] <waem> sorry for the long long question :s
[15:00] <biberao2_> sdcard vs microsd on the PI
[15:00] <iamanflder> no competence here shiftplusone lol
[15:01] <shiftplusone> wait.... you lost me at "display information for fishes" O_O
[15:01] <biberao2_> will that do any damages on the microsd card
[15:01] <biberao2_> ?
[15:01] <waem> huh ... sorry my english is not that great.
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[15:02] <shiftplusone> I misread your question and thought you were making an a screen for fishes
[15:02] <waem> letme take time to rephrase,
[15:02] <shiftplusone> it's alright, I got it
[15:02] <biberao2_> ive seen arduinos for aquarium projects
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[15:02] <shiftplusone> Seems like a pi is just fine for that application
[15:03] <waem> can a pi manage multiple monitors?
[15:03] <waem> or would I need 2 pi's?
[15:03] <shiftplusone> you can add a small screen over SPI
[15:03] <iamanflder> i think the jessie version of znc is the old version too shiftplusone
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[15:04] <shiftplusone> there's also a display board coming out, which you will be able to use independently, but that's not available yet.
[15:04] <shiftplusone> If you don't need a proper monitor and can do with just a simple screen, a pi is okay
[15:04] <shiftplusone> http://www.adafruit.com/products/1601
[15:04] <waem> a simple screen would do,
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[15:07] <iamanflder> nevermind it is jessie that i want shiftplusone
[15:07] <iamanflder> wheezy has the bad znc
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[15:10] <neutrino> is the DAC for the RCA video programmable like a peripheral ? does anyone know something about it ?
[15:11] <shiftplusone> take a look at the schematics
[15:12] <shiftplusone> actually, sorry, I'm not sure it tells you much
[15:12] <shiftplusone> let me study it a bit myself first
[15:13] <waem> huf shiftplusone that's already a lot of research to do :)
[15:14] <waem> I had a ton of questions
[15:14] <neutrino> waem: regarding ?
[15:14] <shiftplusone> waem, sorry, that last part was aimed at neutrino. If you have questions though, feel free to ask.
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[15:17] <shiftplusone> neutrino, just looked up info on that dac. It doesn't seem to be publicly available.
[15:17] <neutrino> ookay !! :/
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[15:18] <shiftplusone> So I can't really say much about it other that it's not generic
[15:18] <waem> about SPI, and the pi in general. Thanks shiftplusone I'll first try to find answers to the questions by myself.
[15:18] <neutrino> shame .. hope they release more info about it eventually .. thanks anyway shiftplusone
[15:19] <shiftplusone> np
[15:19] <MY123> neutrino: Somewhat programmable. You can set a custom framerate and resolution.
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[15:20] <IT_Sean> Morning everyone
[15:20] <shiftplusone> hey
[15:21] <IT_Sean> is for horses.
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[15:24] <waem> shiftplusone, so the SPI solution wouldn't work with the bigger displays?
[15:24] <iamanflder> what do gay horses eat?
[15:24] <iamanflder> haaaaaaayyyy
[15:25] <shiftplusone> I don't know what's available when it comes out spi screens. I've only used the small screens intended for mobile phones and such.
[15:25] <shiftplusone> *to
[15:25] <shiftplusone> =|
[15:26] <waem> okis :)
[15:27] <MY123> waem: There is some but a 7' 640*480 is not good.
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[15:28] <waem> MY123: not good to work through SPI? or quality?
[15:29] <MY123> waem: Quality and framerate is problematic.
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[15:30] <shiftplusone> The official DSI screen should come in handy, but it's not very large either.
[15:30] <waem> so to use 2 monitors on a raspberry pi can be done but with one of them < 640*480?
[15:33] <shiftplusone> at this stage
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[15:34] <shiftplusone> I don't remember the official display's resolution or dimensions, but I think it's higher than 640x480
[15:34] <shiftplusone> and in theory, larger resolution displays wouldn't be a problem, but they haven't made any
[15:35] <waem> that is through vga?
[15:36] <shiftplusone> DSI
[15:36] <crised> How would you guys implement WIFi on a bus?
[15:36] <IT_Sean> on a bus?
[15:37] <shiftplusone> gordonDrogon?
[15:37] <crised> IT_Sean: yes on a coach bus
[15:37] <IT_Sean> I'd use a 4G wifi hotspot, like i would for any non-hardline-connected or otherwise mobile platform
[15:37] <IT_Sean> Just make it smell proof, so the stink from the passengers doesn't rot the electronics. :p
[15:37] <crised> IT_Sean: What if passengers start downloading torrent there
[15:37] <IT_Sean> Firewall the heck out of it, then.
[15:37] <shiftplusone> I would put a spring wound spool with CAT5 on the roof
[15:37] <canton7> you're going to have to lock it down quite a lot :P
[15:38] <MY123> crised: Squid and Chillispot.
[15:38] <crised> What would be your firewall roules?
[15:38] <therion23> not really, just block everything and open 25, 80 and 443
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[15:39] <therion23> 110 and 993 too, come to think of it
[15:39] <canton7> and 143, 110
[15:40] <MY123> therion23: Reccommend a password combo and flashing the passports at the start , just for legal reasons.
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[15:41] <crised> on ChilliSpot what's the real of use of authenticating users?
[15:41] <crised> MY123: Do you suggest to use Squid locally?
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[15:42] <IT_Sean> I only recommend the use of squid in a fine wine reduction, served with a side of hearty greens.
[15:42] <therion23> they are yummy when deep fried too
[15:43] <IT_Sean> Meh.
[15:43] <crised> Anyone has used squid on RPi?
[15:43] <MY123> crised: On server side combinated with Chillispot, it permits full connection but without legal things.
[15:43] <IT_Sean> deep frying your rpi will void the warrenty.
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[15:43] <therion23> says nothing about deep frying in the disclaimer
[15:43] <MY123> IT_Sean: Or extend it by a year.
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[15:44] <IT_Sean> therion23, it falls under the general abuse clause.
[15:44] <crised> MY123: What do you earn with that?
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[15:44] <MY123> crised: Just RMA it.
[15:44] <crised> MY123: ?
[15:45] <MY123> IT_Sean: Is using Freeblob overclocking for not voiding the warranty bit under the warranty ?
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[15:46] <therion23> IT_Sean, that's not general abuse, that's haute cuisine
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[15:47] <MY123> therion23: Not for a judge.
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[15:47] <IT_Sean> therion23, tell that to the squid!
[15:48] <therion23> IT_Sean, for that i would need a babelfish and those are an entirely different species
[15:49] <MY123> IT_Sean: Other persons may not like your humour.
[15:50] <shiftplusone> XD
[15:50] <IT_Sean> MY123, I've not said anything inappropriate. If you do not find my humor humorous, you may feel free to ignore it.
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[15:53] <iamanflder> lol
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[16:31] <therion23> when you want to hook a pi up to an old fashioned CRT television, do you need to change anything anywhere or just cable them together using plain old coax?
[16:31] <shiftplusone> you may have to change your config.txt, depending on what's in there already.
[16:32] <shiftplusone> How did you install your OS? NOOBS or raw image?
[16:32] <therion23> plain arch linux image from a few months back, kept up to date
[16:32] <therion23> and i have made no tweaks to config.txt except OC to 800
[16:32] <shiftplusone> then chances are that you'll just need to make sure that HDMI is not plugged in when you power it up
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[16:33] <therion23> i have absolutely no hdmi here so that is no issue .. problem is the TV won't find the pi when i do a scan
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[16:34] <shiftplusone> scan?
[16:34] <shiftplusone> you're doing it wrong
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[16:35] <IT_Sean> are you using the composite (yellow) connector?
[16:35] <Tenebrous> with something like the teensy, is there any particular reason people put the header pins on the 'under side'? or is that just to make shoving them in a breadboard easier
[16:35] <shiftplusone> your tv should have a composite thing you can switch to
[16:35] <shiftplusone> it won't be a separate channel
[16:35] <shiftplusone> could be an "A/V" button or "Source" or something along those lines
[16:35] <therion23> yes, yellow connector, standard coax cable like you hooked a VCR up to a TV with in the ancient times
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[16:36] <therion23> well, see, the remote is broke :P so i am stuck with the limited options of the on-unit buttons
[16:36] <therion23> broken, not broke
[16:36] <shiftplusone> photo?
[16:36] <shiftplusone> and what sort of coax are you talking?
[16:36] <shiftplusone> the types with BNC or the RCA kind?
[16:37] <therion23> its called a "double screened antenna cable"
[16:37] <IT_Sean> got a pic?
[16:38] <IT_Sean> show us what plug you are using on the TV
[16:38] <therion23> the two plugs on the cable fit into eachother
[16:38] <shiftplusone> that's wrong
[16:39] <IT_Sean> ^
[16:39] <shiftplusone> that connector on the TV is for... well, an antenna
[16:39] <DanDare> plugging it in the audio input is a common mistake, just because connectors match
[16:39] <shiftplusone> not composite
[16:39] <IT_Sean> you need to use the composite gazinta on the TV.
[16:39] <IT_Sean> it should be yellow.
[16:39] <IT_Sean> and will be labeled Video In, or Input#, or something like that.
[16:40] <therion23> all the TV has is antenna in and audio out
[16:40] <shiftplusone> then you're out of luck
[16:40] <IT_Sean> Then you aren't going to be able to hok the pi directly to it.
[16:40] <IT_Sean> *hook
[16:40] <DanDare> also 20 year old cables are usually broken :D
[16:41] <therion23> haha no, the cable is only about 3 years old and very intact
[16:41] <therion23> so what i need is a screen with composite input?
[16:41] <IT_Sean> your TV lacks the correct input.
[16:41] <IT_Sean> Yes, you need a TV or display with composite or HDMI input.
[16:42] <DanDare> or a RCA to RF converter
[16:42] <shiftplusone> unless you can find a composite to RF modulator or something
[16:42] <shiftplusone> yeah, that
[16:42] <therion23> or i can convert composite to scart and use that?
[16:42] <Matt> I was just about to say that
[16:42] <shiftplusone> how will you use scart if your tv only has an antenna input?
[16:42] <Matt> therion23: it has scart? no problem then
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[16:42] <therion23> it also has scart, didnt mention it cos it was irrelevant to the cabling i tried to use
[16:43] <shiftplusone> very relevant >_<
[16:43] <Matt> scart carries composite and audio
[16:43] <Matt> along with s-video, RGB, and a bunch of other stuff
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[16:43] <Matt> there are composite+svideo+audio scart adaptors that are readily available
[16:44] <therion23> i think i got a composite to scart converter with a second hand PS2 i bought once
[16:44] <shiftplusone> aka paper clips
[16:44] <IT_Sean> heh
[16:44] <therion23> *goes digging*
[16:44] <Matt> basically just a scart plug with four connectors on the back
[16:44] <Matt> three RCAs and an s-video socket
[16:45] <Matt> looks like this: http://www.videogameperfection.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/10/composite-to-scart.jpg
[16:45] <DanDare> therion23, whats TV brand/model ?
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[16:48] <therion23> it is a Philips
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[16:49] <therion23> 28PW5407 is all i can read on the label on the back
[16:50] <DanDare> I see
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[16:50] <DanDare> http://www.manualslib.com/products/Philips-28pw5407-311824.html
[16:50] <therion23> okay i found a composite to scart converter plug, takes one video and two audio plugs
[16:51] <DanDare> "The television has 2 external sockets situated at the back of the set (EXT1 and EXT2)"
[16:51] <therion23> yepper
[16:52] <DanDare> "The EXT1 socket has audio, CVBS/RGB inputs and audio, CVBS outputs"
[16:52] <Matt> therion23: that adaptor should do hat you want :)
[16:52] <Matt> CVBS == composite video
[16:52] <DanDare> "The EXT2 socket has audio, CVBS/S-VHS inputs and audio, CVBS outputs"
[16:53] <DanDare> But, looks like a integrated socket where you need a special "philips" cable to have it sorted out ?
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[16:55] <therion23> i dunno, the scart converter fits right in at least
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[16:57] <therion23> so i need a mini jack to dual RCA cable for audio, and what exactly do i need for the video? RCA to RCA?
[16:57] <DanDare> it got side connections also http://www.manualslib.com/manual/126258/Philips-L01_15624.html?page=15#manual
[16:59] <DanDare> therion23, plug pi directly on the "CVBS" plug, yellow one. It has 3 connectors labeled "CVBS" right ?
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[17:00] <therion23> DanDare, nothing is labeled CVBS, but the side connections are the same as i get with this scart converter
[17:01] <therion23> and yes, yellow is video, question is about the cable i am about to go buy .. is it RCA in both ends?
[17:01] <IT_Sean> Is ther ea round yellow one?
[17:01] <therion23> yessir, yellow for video
[17:02] <DanDare> therion23, the side connectors are like this http://icons.iconarchive.com/icons/icons-land/vista-hardware-devices/256/RCA-Connector-Plug-icon.png ?
[17:02] <DanDare> therion23, yeah, RCA both sides
[17:02] <DanDare> therion23, like the picture i linked
[17:02] <therion23> DanDare, that would fit, the connectors are of course female
[17:02] <DanDare> therion23, sure, the picture show how it must be both sides of the cable you need
[17:03] <therion23> perfect, thank you!
[17:03] <DanDare> therion23, you may also need a remote. Some TVs have settings only accessible using a remote. you must check if it can be done without a remote
[17:05] <therion23> DanDare, i can easily select AV1 and AV2 through the on-unit buttons
[17:05] <DanDare> nice
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[17:06] <DanDare> therion23, for the audio part you will need a cable with a end that fits in the pi audio out (the usual headphone plug), and RCA on the other side
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[17:07] <DanDare> or that with 2 RCA outputs for audio stereo output
[17:07] <therion23> yeah mini jack to dual RCA, got a few of those around already
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[17:08] <DanDare> therion23, so you can use one of them to make your video cable, strip, connect, insulation tape :p
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[17:10] <therion23> DanDare, that is seriously tempting!
[17:11] <DanDare> therion23, and easy like cake
[17:11] <DanDare> I mean, like pie
[17:14] <therion23> wouldn't it be better if i did that with a thicker composite cable, i mean, image quality wise?
[17:14] <IT_Sean> I've never seen it take so long for someone to plug in a cable.
[17:15] <therion23> the problem is i dont have the plug!
[17:15] <IT_Sean> therion23, it's composite... the quality is going to be crap anyway. Just use the cable you have.
[17:15] <IT_Sean> Oh... i thought you had a cable.
[17:15] <IT_Sean> Sorry.
[17:15] <Technicus> How can I view the raspberry pi camera module over local network?
[17:15] <therion23> i did .. antenna coax
[17:15] <DanDare> therion23, it depends also on the cable length. But its commonly good with any cable
[17:15] <IT_Sean> That is not the correct cable.
[17:15] <therion23> see?
[17:15] <IT_Sean> You need the RCA/composite cable.
[17:15] <therion23> if i had the right cable i wouldn't be sitting here :)
[17:16] <DanDare> IT_Sean, it's maybe playing some part on the "educational purposes" and blah blah blah blah blah ? :p
[17:16] <IT_Sean> Well... go and get the right cable then! :p
[17:16] <Matt> therion23: antenna coax is probably the wrong impedance
[17:16] <IT_Sean> ^ that, a million times over.
[17:16] <Matt> if you're somewhere wht uatses scart, it's probably 75ohm coax
[17:17] <therion23> Matt, as far as i remember, antenna coax is indeed 75 ohm
[17:17] <DanDare> therion23, using a coaxial cable for RCA/composite is a useless idea
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[17:17] <DanDare> I never saw such a thing before
[17:18] <rocketeer999> I'm having trouble with ssh to my pi
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[17:19] <rocketeer999> I can ssh from the pi into my main computer but not the other way around
[17:19] <Matt> therion23: just take a run out to the local store and grab a cheap cable
[17:19] <Matt> so long as you keep it short, even a cheap cable will work
[17:19] <Matt> I've used dollar-store stuff in the past without major issues
[17:20] <IT_Sean> yeah.... for a short cable, any composite cable will do.
[17:20] <IT_Sean> buy the cheapest one there, so long as it's short, and whack it on.
[17:21] <DanDare> like some chinese ones with just one! copper core ?
[17:21] <DanDare> its impressive but sometimes i see cables like that
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[17:22] <rocketeer999> No no no! You need to buy the $1000 cable if it's hdmi or sound! Because they sound and look better!
[17:23] <DanDare> rocketeer999, thats weird. You can ping the pi from the computer at least ?
[17:23] <rocketeer999> Yep, I can ping the pi
[17:23] <rocketeer999> And I can ssh into the pi from itself
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[17:24] <DanDare> Ahh, I never tried that, ssh'ing own box... it didnt exploded ?? :p
[17:25] <Matt> rocketeer999: sounds like either you have a firewall on the pi, or you have ssh set to only listen on localhost
[17:25] <therion23> rocketeer999, have you tried waiting about 60 seconds when logging in?
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[17:25] <rocketeer999> Yep
[17:25] <rocketeer999> I haven't changed any ssh settings on the pi
[17:25] <therion23> at least in the older days, sshd would delay like mad when it could not get reverse DNS on the connecting client
[17:25] <DanDare> therion23, it still does in some cases
[17:26] <rocketeer999> And even if it is set to listen only on localhost both the pi and the computer are on the same network
[17:26] <DanDare> therion23, sometimes it will also refuse connection because of such details
[17:27] <DanDare> but it let you enter username, after password, drops connection
[17:27] <therion23> DanDare, i think that is more likely pam refusing than sshd refusing then
[17:27] <Matt> rocketeer999: localhost is the loopback address - it's only available from the local machine
[17:27] <DanDare> therion23, hmmm im not sure
[17:27] <Matt> therion23: if it was pam, you'd get a login failed message
[17:27] <rocketeer999> ssh pi@'s password:
[17:27] <rocketeer999> Permission denied, please try again.
[17:27] <Matt> right, if you get a password prompt, it's connected
[17:28] <Matt> so it probably is pam :)
[17:28] <rocketeer999> It's the right password, and the different keyboard layouts are not an issue.
[17:28] <therion23> is not though
[17:28] <Matt> therion23: is all local
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[17:29] <DanDare> weird, sometimes (like once a year), i got such problems (dropping right after password). But them it starts working again without doing anything special
[17:30] <Matt> that is odd
[17:30] <DanDare> "server closed the connection"
[17:31] <Matt> check your syslog on the pi
[17:31] <rocketeer999> If I wait more than a minute, I get Connection closed by UNKNOWN
[17:31] <rocketeer999> Lemme check it, It's in the other room
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[17:34] <Matt> sshd and/or pam ought to tell you why it's rejecting your authentication
[17:34] <DanDare> bad ethernet cable can act very weird, like it show its connected, ping works, but there are random weird issues
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[17:35] <Triffid_Hunter> DanDare: that's what mii-tool is for, if it reports downgrade to 10MBit, your cable is likely hosed
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[17:38] <rocketeer999> Sorry that took so long
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[17:39] <rocketeer999> Aug 14 15:17:01 raspberrypi /USR/SBIN/CRON[2809]: (root) CMD (cd / && run-parents -- report /etc/cron.hourly)
[17:40] <DanDare> Hello there Triffid_Hunter. Nice to know about it, will take a look
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[17:40] <rocketeer999> Repeated about five times, with the only thing different being the bracketed numbers.
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[17:40] <Triffid_Hunter> rocketeer999: sounds like you're sshing into the wrong computer
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[17:41] <Triffid_Hunter> rocketeer999: ah yep, 127.*.*.* is localhost, that's never gonna work :P
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[17:42] <rocketeer999> Well, that's what hostname -I gives me
[17:42] <rocketeer999> I know, I know, I'm a total noob without any experience with ssh or networking
[17:43] <rocketeer999> How can I find the correct ip address?
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[17:43] <neutrino> rocketeer999: use nmap
[17:43] <neutrino> okay wait hmm how is your pi connected to your computer ?
[17:43] <neutrino> are they on a router together ?
[17:44] <Triffid_Hunter> rocketeer999: ping -c1 pi.local perhaps
[17:44] <therion23> sudo ifconfig eth0
[17:44] <Triffid_Hunter> or is it raspberrypi? I don't remember what its avahi spits out
[17:44] <DanDare> rocketeer999, pi is connected on ehternet cable or over wireless ?
[17:44] <rocketeer999> It's on an ethernet cable
[17:44] <rocketeer999> In my house
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[17:45] <neutrino> rocketeer999: are they both connected to a router ?
[17:45] <neutrino> or have you jsut pluged the pi to your computer with the cable
[17:45] <DanDare> rocketeer999, on the pi keyboard do 'ifconfig' look the entries for 'eth0', you will see 'inet address: x.x.x.x' where x.x.x.x is the IP pi is using
[17:46] <Triffid_Hunter> even if it's plugged into computer it should assign itself a 169.254 link-local
[17:46] <rocketeer999> ping -cd raspberrypi.local gives unknown host
[17:47] <neutrino> rocketeer999: run this command
[17:47] <neutrino> ip addr show
[17:47] <neutrino> on your computer
[17:49] <therion23> i have picture!
[17:49] <rocketeer999> ifconfig on the pi gives me
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[17:49] <rocketeer999> lemme try sshing into that
[17:49] <DanDare> rocketeer999, so thats the ip you must use with ssh
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[17:50] <rocketeer999> That worked, thank you!
[17:50] <DanDare> :)
[17:51] <rocketeer999> Do I need to run that command every time I want to ssh into the pi?
[17:52] <rocketeer999> Because that makes it impossible to run headless
[17:52] <DanDare> rocketeer999, you can set a static IP for pi so it never changes
[17:52] <MY123> rocketeer999: no
[17:52] <rocketeer999> How do I set a static IP?
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[17:52] <rocketeer999> I suppose I should look that up rather than annoy the chat
[17:52] <Triffid_Hunter> rocketeer999: that's something you do on your dhcp server, presumably via your internet router's web interface
[17:52] <DanDare> rocketeer999, do you know how to copy/delete/move files on linux ?
[17:53] <rocketeer999> DanDare: Yes
[17:53] <DanDare> Triffid_Hunter, he can also just set something at /etc/network/interfaces/. I guess most routers will just accept that
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[17:53] <Triffid_Hunter> yeah that works too, but since the router doesn't know about it, it might give that address to another computer one day and then he'll really be scratching his head
[17:54] <DanDare> Triffid_Hunter, true
[17:54] <rocketeer999> Well, I don't have administrative rights over the router, since I
[17:54] <rocketeer999> 'm 17
[17:54] <Triffid_Hunter> rocketeer999: default login is typically admin/admin or admin/(blank) or admin/password
[17:55] <MY123> rocketeer999: Try Bonjour.
[17:55] <rocketeer999> Nope that's been changed
[17:55] <rocketeer999> Dad worked in IT for 20 years
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[17:55] <rocketeer999> He's just usually too busy to help
[17:56] <Triffid_Hunter> MY123: what's bonjour? is that like avahi?
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[17:56] <MY123> Triffid_Hunter: Avahi is a Bonjour implementation.
[17:57] <Triffid_Hunter> ah right
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[17:57] <rocketeer999> Is there any way to find the pi's IP address from the computer?
[17:57] <Triffid_Hunter> rocketeer999: sure, install a bonjour client, the rpi runs avahi by default and broadcasts itself via bonjour as raspberrypi.local
[17:58] <rocketeer999> I have avahi installed now
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[17:58] <Triffid_Hunter> you could also install samba and have it advertise itself to windows machines via netbios
[17:59] <Triffid_Hunter> hm, or is it rpi.local? I never use that part on mine
[17:59] <rocketeer999> I'm on mint for the desktop
[17:59] <rocketeer999> Windows is not involved
[18:00] <Triffid_Hunter> rocketeer999: mint should have a network browser someplace that should pick up the rpi
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[18:01] <rocketeer999> system > administration > network settings > hosts picks up some 23 hosts, none of which are the pi.
[18:02] <rocketeer999> I can add a host to that, but I need to enter an IP address for it
[18:02] <rocketeer999> That would defeat the purpose unless i can set a static IP
[18:03] <Triffid_Hunter> you can set a static ip in the rpi's network configuration; ideally you want to pick one that's still on the same subnet but outside the dhcp allocation pool so your router doesn't give it to something else one day
[18:03] <rocketeer999> ok
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[18:17] <rocketeer999> I edited /etc/network/interfaces to set the static IP to .161, rebooted, and added raspberrypi at to the list of hosts on my system
[18:17] <rocketeer999> It seems to work now
[18:17] <rocketeer999> If it breaks I will set it back to dynamic
[18:17] <rocketeer999> Thanks everyone
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[18:18] <Triffid_Hunter> rocketeer999: yeah that works, only thing to worry about is your router handing that address out to some other machine.. if that happens, expect random madness
[18:20] <rocketeer999> Right. Would that break anything other than the pi?
[18:20] <rocketeer999> And ssh into if
[18:20] <rocketeer999> it
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[18:23] <Triffid_Hunter> rocketeer999: generally it causes both machines to apparently randomly appear and disappear off the network
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[18:24] <rocketeer999> OK awesome!
[18:24] <rocketeer999> Then if that happens dad will give me a proper static IP, and if it doesn't, I'm fine!
[18:25] <Triffid_Hunter> rocketeer999: heh close enough then ;)
[18:26] <rocketeer999> Thanks!
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[18:34] <bananapie> I am working with a Raspberry Pi B ( revision 2 ). I setup input gpios in sysfs. I can output fine to a led/resistor. I am trying to setup input. If I want niput 17 to be on ( 1 ), do I short between GPIO Pin and ground or GPIO pin and 3.3 volts ?
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[18:35] <Triffid_Hunter> bananapie: 3.3v for 1, gnd for 0
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[18:39] <biberao2_> hi
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[18:50] <therion23> wow, small fonts on a CRT console sure ain't pretty haha
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[18:51] <Triffid_Hunter> therion23: actually your problem is more likely the composite video, that has awful picture quality
[18:51] <gordonDrogon> composite is OK if you have a good monitor.
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[18:51] <gordonDrogon> but you're limited to round about 640x480 pixels max.
[18:51] <therion23> Triffid_Hunter, oh yes, absolutely
[18:52] <gordonDrogon> http://unicorn.drogon.net/piduino.jpg <-- composite output to a small monitor in 640x480 mode.
[18:53] <gordonDrogon> (taken on my old phone camera which doesn't do it justice)
[18:53] <Triffid_Hunter> I had a CRT years ago that did 1600x1200, handled tiny fonts just fine
[18:53] <therion23> looks a whole lot better than my battered old TV here .. any font smaller than VGA14 is unreadable due to composite
[18:53] <gordonDrogon> didn't take compost video though ;-)
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[18:54] <therion23> but it's okay, just need that screen to tinker with sdl2 and see if it really is as fast as people say
[18:55] <Triffid_Hunter> heh and here I am having to lie to xorg about my screen's DPI so it'll make my fonts small enough
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[19:09] <DanDare> How composite and HDMI outputs works on pi? They are always active or it goes UP only if you connect cables?
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[19:09] <DanDare> Like, if I plug both composite and HDMI at same time, it will work?
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[19:10] <DanDare> also audio goes both at same time analog/HDMI?
[19:10] <Triffid_Hunter> DanDare: as far as I know, the chip's built in rom autodetects unless you override in the config.txt or switch at runtime
[19:10] <Triffid_Hunter> no idea what it picks if both are plugged in
[19:11] <DanDare> Triffid_Hunter, ok, thanks
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[19:41] <bananapie> When I short pin 1 ( 3.3v ) to pin to a GPIO pin, should I put a resistor on it or short it out directly to get it to be on ( 1 ) ?
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[19:50] <bananapie> ok. I used probes to test GPIO pins without any resistor and they all work fine. But my GPIO 15 seems to be inversed. When I apply 3.3v to GPIO 15, it says '0' but with the pin isolated, it shows '1'.
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[19:53] <bananapie> Why is GPIO 15 showing 1 when off and 0 when on, all the other pins show 1 when on and 0 when off. I don't see any parameters in /sys/
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[19:55] <gordonDrogon> gpio 15 is the serial port. - Rx.
[19:56] <gordonDrogon> how are you reading the pins?
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[19:57] <bananapie> Setup like this : echo 15 > /sys/class/gpio/export; echo 'in' > /sys/class/gpio/gpio15/direction;
[19:57] <bananapie> Read like this : /sys/class/gpio/gpio15/value
[19:58] <gordonDrogon> ok
[19:58] <gordonDrogon> 14 & 15 are normally the serial port.
[19:58] <gordonDrogon> I'd avoid using them unless you really need to.
[19:58] <bananapie> oh.
[19:59] <bananapie> ok
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[20:00] <gordonDrogon> you might want to install the wiringPi package - it makes setting up the exports easy - and also has a command-line utility to read the gpios directly.
[20:01] <gordonDrogon> http://wiringpi.com/
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[20:05] <bananapie> ok
[20:05] <bananapie> thanks
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[20:18] <l_r> where can i buy the compute module and the I/O board from
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[20:19] <gordonDrogon> in the UK? Farnell ...
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[20:19] <gordonDrogon> worldwide - Farnell - or whatever they're called locally. Same for RS.
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[20:22] <l_r> gordonDrogon, is this ok? http://uk.farnell.com/raspberry-pi/rpi-compute-dev-kit/raspberry-pi-compute-module-dev/dp/2427123
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[20:22] <l_r> it seems there is evrything
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[20:24] <gordonDrogon> l_r, looks like it. VAT will be added to the price, so be aware of that.
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[20:25] <gordonDrogon> I just had an email from them about my CM + IO board - the camera adaptors on the first batch were wrong and they're sending me new ones.
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[20:25] <l_r> so...they would be wrong if i ordered?
[20:25] <gordonDrogon> highly unlikely.
[20:26] <gordonDrogon> I suspect they're now shipping them with the updated adapters.
[20:26] <l_r> do two cameras work?
[20:26] <gordonDrogon> and just getting through the backlog of people who got them first.
[20:26] <gordonDrogon> I'm fairly sure that 2 cameras work, but not at the same time. ie. you switch from one camera to the other.
[20:27] <l_r> not at the same time for now, or will they update the firmware?
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[20:27] <gordonDrogon> I'm not 100% sure - I would like to think that in the future there might be some stereo imaging possible by running 2 at the same time.
[20:28] <gordonDrogon> but right now, you can take a photo from one, then from the other, then back to the first, etc.
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[20:28] <l_r> is the switching fas?
[20:28] <l_r> fast
[20:28] <gordonDrogon> I'm planing on having 2 cameras - a standard one and a noir - and switch to the noir + IR lighting in the evening/night.
[20:29] <gordonDrogon> I would not be surprised if the actual switching is more or less instant, but it still takes a second or so to take a picture...
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[20:29] <l_r> well, you mean the still capture? video should be faster
[20:30] <Triffid_Hunter> not sure an rpi would be fast enough to handle two cameras
[20:30] <l_r> not at full res,full fps maybe
[20:31] <Triffid_Hunter> for stereo you can use a few mirrors, have one "eye" going into each half of the camera
[20:31] <gordonDrogon> don't know - I'd have to ask someone who knows more about the processing used in the GPU handling one camera - if there's enough left over to handle the 2nd.
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[20:36] <l_r> Triffid_Hunter, it seems a complex setup
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[20:59] <therion23> how come text from a console is completely unreadable on a composite TV but a picture from omxplayer looks like it should?
[20:59] <therion23> "as it should" means "it has that 80s feeling to it" :)
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[21:09] <DanDare> great, icecast runs flawlessly on the pi
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[21:09] <DanDare> radio anyone? :)
[21:09] <DanDare> of course you need some player capable of doing ogg
[21:12] <therion23> vlc works fine'
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[21:12] <DanDare> nice
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[21:12] <DanDare> I remember firefox was able to open it also in the past, natively
[21:13] <DanDare> but cant do firefox opening it anymore
[21:15] <therion23> mplayer plays it too
[21:15] <DanDare> I guess that any linux player got native support for ogg format, but not sure
[21:16] <therion23> not all of them do icecast, some only do shoutcast
[21:16] <DanDare> I see
[21:16] <DanDare> weird anyway because its just a audio stream at the end
[21:17] <therion23> yeah but the protocols are different
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[21:18] <DanDare> understand
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[21:19] <DanDare> its actually doing a straightforward streaming of the ogg file, using ices2
[21:19] <DanDare> no transcoding, just packing it and going
[21:19] <DanDare> must try how the pi will do while using mpd, that do transcoding. I hope it can be gapless
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[21:21] <therion23> yeah, icecast can do that with ogg/vorbis
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[21:21] <DanDare> its very convenient, you compress the file on whatever bitrate you want to stream and thats all
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[21:22] <therion23> yeah, shoutcast is much different in that way
[21:23] <therion23> switching bitrates in the client without doing it on the server produces quite hilarious results sometimes
[21:23] <DanDare> though you can do the same on icecast using mp3 I guess
[21:23] <DanDare> heh
[21:23] <DanDare> like forcing bitrates you mean ?
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[21:24] <DanDare> these ogg files are 60kbps VBR, and still sounds OK
[21:24] <therion23> like, you have caster A sending a 128kbit stream to the server, then A logs off and caster B streams at 160
[21:24] <DanDare> 60kbps mp3's sounds just horrible
[21:24] <DanDare> Ah I see
[21:24] <therion23> the listeners will hear B's stream in the wrong speed
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[21:24] <therion23> if they tuned in before A left the stream to B, that is
[21:24] <DanDare> cant understand how mp3 is still a popular format
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[21:25] <DanDare> there are much better ones, both commercial
[21:25] <DanDare> .. and open source
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[21:25] <therion23> MPC is my fave lossy format, the sound is incredible and its free and open
[21:25] <zleap> hi all
[21:25] <DanDare> I dont know MPC, must check that
[21:26] <DanDare> hi zleap
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[21:26] <zleap> how is the raspberry pi world going
[21:27] <therion23> it is also known as Musepack or MP+
[21:27] <DanDare> Oh I see. Heard of it before, never tried
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[21:28] <DanDare> zleap, for me: under test :)
[21:28] <zleap> cool
[21:28] <zleap> is there an eta on the pi jam forum mentioned on the website community page at http://www.raspberrypi.org/community/raspberry-jam/
[21:28] <zleap> DanDare, sounds good do you have a new pi then
[21:28] <DanDare> sure !
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[21:41] <therion23> 12% cpu time for playing a divx is pretty good
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[21:42] <zleap> DanDare, cool ,b+
[21:42] <zleap> or was the sure to the eta for the pi forum thing for pi jams
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[21:44] <DanDare> zleap, i got plain B
[21:44] <DanDare> zleap, what jams ?
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[21:44] <DanDare> therion23, 12% for pi, thats very good imo
[21:45] <DanDare> can play that also do a lot of other things
[21:46] <zleap> DanDare, on the raspberry pi website there mentioend they are setting up some sort of comminity page to help people whjo want to set up pi jams etc
[21:46] <therion23> DanDare, about 23% for an mp4 video in 720p
[21:46] <DanDare> Ah ok I see
[21:47] <zleap> http://www.raspberrypi.org/community/raspberry-jam/ < this page
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[21:47] <zleap> so no idea if there is an actual ETA on this
[21:47] <DanDare> therion23, still good. If only windows managers could run on OpenGL... hope it happen one day
[21:48] <DanDare> *window managers
[21:48] <therion23> DanDare, this is omxplayer straight on the console, no X whatsoever
[21:48] <DanDare> therion23, ok
[21:49] <DanDare> therion23, a cool tactic for media player on pi would be all the interface through web/php + omxplayer (i imagine)
[21:49] <therion23> 28% cpu for a 1080p .. wow, now i see why people like the pi GPU
[21:49] <DanDare> media center thats
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[21:50] <therion23> DanDare, or use SDL or something similar (dunno if svgalib exists for the pi)
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[21:52] <DanDare> therion23, i dont know SDL but for what I see on internet, people uses it with pi.
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[21:58] <therion23> yes, the whole point of me hooking up my pi to a screen was to be able to tinker with SDL
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[21:59] <DanDare> cool
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[22:01] <RoBo_V> guys im not able to unmount usb drive (via SSH) it says device is busy
[22:01] <RoBo_V> how can I check the process and kill it
[22:01] <zleap> fuser i think
[22:01] <therion23> lsof
[22:01] <zleap> however if you have a folder open you won't be able to unmoutn make sure your're in the pi sd card file system
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[22:02] <RoBo_V> im at pi@raspberry
[22:02] <zleap> so in /home/pi
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[22:02] <zleap> is anything using the external media open
[22:02] <DanDare> RoBo_V, you can try "lsof | grep directoryname"
[22:03] <DanDare> directoryname - the name of the directory that mounted
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[22:03] <therion23> DanDare, would be a good idea to sudo that
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[22:04] <DanDare> therion23, yeah probably. I never remember about sudo because im always doing stuff as root :p
[22:04] <zleap> ouch lsof gives a lot of output
[22:04] <therion23> yeah, grep what you need from lsof
[22:05] <zleap> i was just thinking that
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[22:05] <therion23> lsof is a great tool for finding out where something went wrong
[22:06] <RoBo_V> not working :(
[22:06] <RoBo_V> I have this /dev/sda1/ mounted on /media/NASDRVIE
[22:06] <RoBo_V> sorry guys, im new to command line prompt
[22:06] <DanDare> I miss a bit the utility of using sudo. If sudo gives you super powers, just have yourself super powers without the need of appending that on each command
[22:06] <DanDare> It does the same, unless you set sudo with restrictions/rules for someone
[22:07] <therion23> RoBo_V, try this: fuser /media/NASDRVIE
[22:07] <DanDare> RoBo_V, what 'lsof | grep NASDRIVE' outputs ?
[22:08] <therion23> or this: lsof | grep '/media'
[22:08] <DanDare> well, yeah, fuser is cool to not be gross and drop the drive if someone is using it
[22:08] <therion23> unless "someone" is myself, i would rather have it dropped :)
[22:09] <zleap> ok
[22:09] <zleap> brb need to chjeck po
[22:09] <zleap> pi
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[22:10] <RoBo_V> DanDare: lsof was not working
[22:10] <RoBo_V> ran apt -get
[22:10] <RoBo_V> now workingw
[22:10] <DanDare> apt-get install lsof
[22:10] <therion23> lsof is not standard on raspbian, it is on arch though
[22:10] * Tenebrous has crackly audio :(
[22:11] <RoBo_V> got it now
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[22:11] <Tenebrous> well, audio that stutters when the CPU is under load
[22:11] <DanDare> Tenebrous, try the audio without anything attached to USB
[22:11] <DanDare> at least for me, its crystal clear that way ....
[22:12] <Tenebrous> yeah i've been reading about usb issues etc
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[22:12] <RoBo_V> DanDare: http://imgur.com/diTBvmh
[22:12] <RoBo_V> it is basically transmission directory I recently setted up
[22:12] <Tenebrous> just doing a full update before i do anything else
[22:13] <lost_soul> has anyone had any issues with the USB's on the B+
[22:13] <RoBo_V> lost_soul : im using B+, what kind of issue ?
[22:13] <lost_soul> RoBo_V: such as wifi disconnects or random issues with it
[22:14] <Encrypt> lost_soul, Check dmesg ;)
[22:14] <DanDare> Tenebrous, I attached a big cap on USB +5V rail and ground, it helped a lot but still noisy
[22:14] <lost_soul> I know the B suffers from issues with USB and am considering a B+... hence the question
[22:14] <Tenebrous> interesting
[22:14] <therion23> well, the transmission process has open files on that volume
[22:14] <therion23> RoBo_V, stop transmission, unmount volume
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[22:14] <DanDare> lost_soul, I think it depends on what issues you are referring to
[22:14] <Tenebrous> it's only cutting out when the CPU is under load tho, so i'm guessing i need to overclock or just investigate further :D
[22:15] <RoBo_V> lost_soul: no random issue and not using any wifi dongle for the time
[22:15] <DanDare> Tenebrous, so forget what I said. I was referring to noise due to interference, not gaps
[22:15] <Tenebrous> ah right, no worries
[22:16] <lost_soul> DanDare: to be perfectly honest... I would like to know about any issues people have had with the USBs on the B+ (if any).. or any other issues they've faced with them. Like I said I'm considering purchasing one so doing some research
[22:16] <RoBo_V> therion23: hm ok
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[22:24] <RoBo_V> therion23: worked cheers
[22:25] <therion23> goodly :)
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[22:31] <RoBo_V> transmission queue not working :(
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[22:31] <therion23> of course not, you just removed where it stores files
[22:31] <Tenebrous> the standard r-pi audio out is really noisy, but i'm sure people already know that
[22:32] <Tenebrous> (B+)
[22:32] <therion23> if you want to permanently move your transmission downloads folder, mount the drive again, move the files to a new destination, then unmount
[22:32] <therion23> or leave the drive on and use it with transmission
[22:33] <Tenebrous> huh i think i'm misleading myself - i don't think it is CPU load killing the audio - i'm doing some CPU load by itself and the audio is pretty much ok. i think it IS the USB affecting it
[22:34] <Tenebrous> i was testing by doing commands that sent a lot of text over SSH
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[22:36] <RoBo_V> therion23: everything done working
[22:36] <RoBo_V> torrent getting downloaded and remounted done all
[22:36] <RoBo_V> but im just not able to queue them up
[22:36] <RoBo_V> they all download simultaneously
[22:36] <therion23> oh!
[22:37] <therion23> now that i cannot help you with, i normally use qbittorrent
[22:37] <RoBo_V> qbittorrent: web gui ?
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[22:38] <therion23> yeah i use it headless
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[23:01] <Fishy> Did they give a date for the Raspberry Pi 2 release?
[23:02] <Encrypt> RAspberry Pi 2?
[23:03] <MY123> Fishy: 2017
[23:04] <Fishy> MY123: thanks
[23:04] <zleap> Fishy, if you mean the model b+ its out
[23:05] <zleap> there will be a A+ shortly
[23:05] <james_olympus> Fishy: http://www.raspi.today/raspberry-pi-2-expected-in-2017/
[23:05] <Fishy> zleap: i thought B+ was the final one
[23:06] <Fishy> zleap: says it right on the blog post http://www.raspberrypi.org/introducing-raspberry-pi-model-b-plus/
[23:06] <james_olympus> It'll probably be the final one with the current SoC
[23:07] <zleap> sorry
[23:08] <zleap> Fishy, the A+ does the same as the B+ does i think so probaby 40 pin gpio and a few other improvements e.g power
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[23:16] <therion23> does it sound right that a composite TV resolution is 640x480 minus overscan?
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[23:20] <DanDare> therion23, its not relative? I mean, NTSC resolution is 720 x 480
[23:21] <therion23> DanDare, possibly, this here is PAL
[23:21] <mgottschlag> a quick search found 720x288 per image (576p) for PAL
[23:21] <mgottschlag> *576i
[23:22] <mgottschlag> so the 640 width sounds wrong, no idea about the vertical timing
[23:22] <therion23> wow, then there is something odd about the console font metrics
[23:22] <DanDare> Pal = 720x576
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[23:23] <therion23> or maybe the console has its own metrics
[23:23] <therion23> as in text console
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[23:26] <DanDare> therion23, not sure but i think raspbian dont use the regular/usual terminal font
[23:27] <DanDare> therion23, take a look while its booting, it starts with the standard fonts, then switch to another
[23:27] <therion23> DanDare, i am playing around with the kbd fonts
[23:28] <therion23> i get 31 screen rows with a 16px tall font, that is 496 and not 576
[23:28] <DanDare> therion23, this is how it looks like on my very little TV http://rodrigonh.imgur.com/all/
[23:29] <therion23> "images are not publicly available"
[23:29] <DanDare> sorry, this one should work http://i.imgur.com/emp4klo.jpg
[23:30] <therion23> yes, that looks like my raspbian too
[23:30] <therion23> except i switched the logo off to get some more screen space
[23:31] <DanDare> i found it being the expected for composite video
[23:31] <DanDare> (and tv size)
[23:32] <therion23> you can always try a different font with setfont if you want
[23:32] <therion23> i was just trying to calculate exactly what the metrics are of the composite display
[23:32] <DanDare> therion23, where? /etc/kbd/config ?
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[23:33] <DanDare> once thing i tweaked on the kbd is BLANK_TIME=0
[23:34] <therion23> DanDare, look in /usr/share/kbd/consolefonts (or something similar - i am in Arch right now)
[23:34] <DanDare> and POWERDOWN_TIME=0
[23:34] <DanDare> ok, thanks
[23:34] <therion23> then you can just "setfont fontfilename.gz" to try them out one by one
[23:35] <DanDare> its /usr/share/consolefonts for raspbian
[23:35] <therion23> sounds right, if it contains a lot of gzipped fonts
[23:35] <DanDare> yeah
[23:36] <DanDare> its a bunch on fonts there
[23:36] <DanDare> hmm, didnt tried aplay yet on the TV
[23:36] <therion23> some of the thin fonts look great on a monitor but definitely not a tv set
[23:37] <DanDare> I think some fonts can be really problematic, like greek.psf.tgz :p
[23:38] <therion23> not as bad as you think, nearly all fonts have standard latin script where you would expect it
[23:39] <therion23> Greek, Cyrillic and Hebrew all have their scripts in the high bit characters so the Latin script is in place
[23:39] <DanDare> Ok
[23:39] <therion23> it's the Asian scripts you should worry about :)
[23:39] <DanDare> heh
[23:40] <DanDare> Like setting by mistake "traditional chinese" on the phone
[23:40] <DanDare> or whatever
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[23:41] <therion23> yeah, that usually confuses people
[23:42] <therion23> or if someone falls asleep at a party, set that persons phone to Finnish or Hungarian or some other ultra complex language
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[23:45] <DanDare> hehehe
[23:46] <DanDare> guy must prove then that he/she really knows phone options to take it back to normal
[23:47] <MY123> DanDare: Or doing a factory reset.
[23:47] <DanDare> MY123, yeah...
[23:47] <therion23> oh yes, the prank works better if that person isn't familiar with the menus
[23:47] <DanDare> heh
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[23:48] <MY123> DanDare: Did set the language to Japanese by mistake. Restored it with ADB.
[23:49] <DanDare> MY123, damn... luck you that know how to deal with ADB and stuff
[23:50] <therion23> yeah it was certainly more difficult back in the old pre-S40 Nokia days haha
[23:50] <MY123> I'm an Android app developer. If I did not have ADB enabled ,...
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[23:51] <therion23> adb is essential
[23:51] <MY123> therion23: Use the first brick phones. They will always work.
[23:51] <MY123> (Not language settings)
[23:51] <MY123> *no
[23:51] <therion23> MY123, i had the Motorola MicroTAC with the nickname "bathtub"
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[23:52] <MY123> therion23: I wonder why phones now get bigger and bigger, unlike before.
[23:53] <therion23> because people use them as PDA's and not phones
[23:53] <DanDare> some phones today are hilarious
[23:53] <DanDare> yeah, they are not phones
[23:53] <DanDare> are tablets able to make calls
[23:54] <MY123> therion23: Does own an old legitimate Pocket PC , smaller and does do the job.
[23:54] <therion23> some tablets have SIM card slots .. only a few though
[23:54] <MY123> DanDare: Yes. The bigger phone (??) ever is the ASUS Fonepad.
[23:55] <MY123> therion23: See the Asus Fonepad.
[23:55] <therion23> MY123, i miss my PalmPilot ..
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[23:56] <MY123> I wonder why people think the first smartphone is an iPhone, the PocketPC and Palm came well before.
[23:56] <DanDare> in some years we will look at tablets like we look today to phones like http://onemom.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/07/old-phone.jpg
[23:57] <MY123> (Have a Palm but with a broken screen)
[23:57] <MY123> DanDare: Google Asus Phonepad.
[23:57] <therion23> my first smartphone was a HTC Tanager (or was it the Canary), a model from roughly 2001 or 2002 .. ran Windows Mobile
[23:58] <DanDare> MY123, lol. Its a consortium with pants manufacturers
[23:58] <DanDare> get a new phone also a new pant to be able to carry it
[23:59] <MY123> therion23: Mine was from 2004. Running Windows Mobile with the CMD prompt and some addons.
[23:59] <DanDare> mine was a Xperia Mini, such cool phone
[23:59] <DanDare> (that has a phone form factor also)

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