#raspberrypi IRC Log


IRC Log for 2014-08-16

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[0:44] <abnormal> Oh? no one talking? and is everyone scared?
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[0:46] * Armand farts in abnormal's general direction
[0:46] <abnormal> mmmm smells real nice, ty
[0:47] <Armand> Yeah, I've been on the McDunno's diet.
[0:47] <abnormal> lol I was on B&N diet
[0:48] <Armand> Bookworm ?
[0:48] <abnormal> almost, wifi worm
[0:48] <Armand> lol
[0:49] <abnormal> what's different?
[0:49] <Armand> .CSV vs .SQL..
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[0:50] <abnormal> whoa... that's over me head... I dunno what they are...
[0:50] <Armand> SQL = database.
[0:50] <Armand> CSV = Freakin' stoopid.
[0:50] <abnormal> lol
[0:51] <Armand> Client asks me if I can import 3.1GB of data, in a .CSV file... to MySQL.
[0:51] <Armand> \o/ break all the datas!
[0:51] <abnormal> I used to use Acess at work, til the co stopped buying the license
[0:52] <Vtor_BR> 3.1GB on a single file?
[0:52] <Armand> Damn straight.. What rubbish
[0:52] <Armand> Yes, Vtor_BR
[0:52] <Vtor_BR> damn
[0:52] <Armand> Heck, some of the .SQLs I deal with can be 10GB+
[0:52] <Armand> BUT... At least a straight .SQL will work.
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[0:53] <Vtor_BR> I've never used CSV but a large SQL database makes sense
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[0:53] <Armand> Using .CSV is the LEAST intelligent thing to do.. Unless you only EVER work with spreadsheets.
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[0:55] <therion23> or a Rolodex like app like Cardfile from Windows 3.1
[0:55] <Armand> Hahahaa
[0:55] <Armand> I remember that
[0:56] <Armand> I was happier just to keep a notepad.
[0:56] <abnormal> and a pencil
[0:56] <therion23> yeah .. i still keep a notebook and a pen on me at all times
[0:56] <Armand> I'm a 35yo SysAdmin... and I still keep stuff on paper.
[0:57] <abnormal> yah can't lose those unless stolen or burned
[0:57] <Vtor_BR> My DB teacher had all his phone contacts on a little piece of paper in his pocket
[0:57] <therion23> same here .. i have a pile of notebooks on my desk
[0:57] <Armand> Well, it's certainly safe from a random OS bork. :P
[0:57] <therion23> one for each purpose
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[0:59] <abnormal> I buy mags, books, bibles of each component and computer... whew... lotta stuff but never read 'em.... lol
[0:59] <abnormal> only used 'em for reference
[0:59] <therion23> i once told someone i had to run and buy a tabbed notebook cos the current was full
[1:00] <therion23> and the dummy thought i ran out of disk space
[1:00] <therion23> like "no, silly, ever heard of paper?"
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[1:00] <abnormal> lol
[1:01] <abnormal> that's whut dollar stores are for...
[1:01] <therion23> yupyup, and mine has a great selection of stationary
[1:02] <abnormal> even at wally world...
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[1:13] <abnormal> oh? everyone snoozing again?
[1:14] <therion23> not yet but it won't be long before it's movie and snooze time
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[1:16] <abnormal> I see... what movie?
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[1:16] <therion23> completely undecided
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[1:17] <abnormal> ok, how about Man On Fire?
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[1:17] <therion23> usually a case of closing eyes and picking a random one
[1:17] <therion23> oh i got that one, pretty good
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[1:17] <abnormal> yeh, wicked....
[1:18] <abnormal> I used to watch "The Unit"
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[1:18] <therion23> i have most of Tony Scott's flicks, he was a great movie maker
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[1:19] <therion23> Man On Fire was one of his best for sure, although nothing beats True Romance
[1:20] <abnormal> had a relative that taped every episode of Star Trek all the way up to the last one in Deep Space Nine.... and boy did I like Jerri Ryan...
[1:22] <therion23> i don't do series much but i love The Prisoner, the original series
[1:22] <therion23> it is sufficiently weird :)
[1:22] <abnormal> yeah.. it was...
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[1:31] <therion23> am i right in assuming berryboot only handles OS'es that run on ext* filesystems?
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[1:33] <abnormal> That is beyond me... have to ask DanDare...
[1:35] <therion23> better go get an extra card tomorrow then, i would really like to try FreeBSD on the pi
[1:36] <abnormal> yeh, wish I cud afford the latest raspberry pi geek magazine, it came out on shelves today...
[1:37] <abnormal> I also wanted to get the new linux talk magazine...
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[1:40] <abnormal> last week I got the new raspberry pi project magazine...
[1:42] <therion23> i only read MagPi really
[1:42] <therion23> when it comes to electronics i am quite on the newbie level
[1:42] <abnormal> I have not seen those on the shelves in a long time...
[1:43] <therion23> i get it through their Android app
[1:44] <therion23> the shipping cost here would probably be more than the mag itself
[1:44] <abnormal> well I have arduino uno on one pi, a parallax quickstart on another pi, a piface on third pi, and a BBB, and the fourth pi is in living room as a chat pc...
[1:45] <abnormal> I have Nook but don't like reading on that, just use that for other stuff and on the go...
[1:47] <ozzzy> I haven't even turned my Kobo on since I got the Nexus
[1:47] <abnormal> Kobo?
[1:47] <ozzzy> ebook reader
[1:47] <MY123> therion23: BerryBoot ONLY handles Linux.
[1:47] <abnormal> oh, I C....
[1:47] <therion23> MY123, that is i reckoned .. thanks
[1:47] * ozzzy might put android on his Pi
[1:47] <therion23> that is *what* i reckoned
[1:47] <MY123> (As the same kernel is shared between the systems)
[1:48] <therion23> i could see it converts things to squashfs and that is totally unknown in BSD land
[1:48] <therion23> think i can do a side by side anyway ..
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[1:50] <MY123> therion23: It is more fundamental, the BerryBoot justs chroot to /sbin/init after mounting the selected OS. Will never work for FreeBSD because of obvious reasons.
[1:51] <therion23> gotcha
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[1:53] <MY123> therion23: But it's possible on New Out Of the Box Software.
[1:53] <MY123> ( aka NOOBS)
[1:54] <therion23> MY123, that would require that the OS can run from a logical partition, as far as i can see
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[1:56] <MY123> therion23: It can with modding fstab but there is no good UFS Linux driver out here .
[1:56] <MY123> And will never be :p .
[1:56] <plugwash> is the code under 4 clause BSD or something?
[1:57] <plugwash> or is it just that noone can be bothered porting it?
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[1:58] <therion23> there are so many variations of it
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[2:03] <therion23> the linux kernel actually does have UFS support
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[2:06] <MY123> plugwash: No one care about it because the kernel FS API is too different and each *BSD has a different UFS version. The Linux version one isn't for the BSD but for the Windows DVD-RAM variant.
[2:06] <MY123> (And is read-only)
[2:09] <therion23> linux UFS does support NetBSD and OpenBSD though (the old UFS)
[2:09] <therion23> but UFS2 is read only and has to be specifically compiled when you make the kernel
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[2:12] <MY123> therion23: So is unusable for $Does_Not_Have_JTAG .
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[2:14] <therion23> MY123, would only be handy if you share an sdcard between linux and netbsd .. and i doubt there are many who do that
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[2:16] <AliG1000> Hi - I am building a in-vehicle GPS and driver feedback unit. Can someone check to see if I am on the right track? The touchscreen seems to be the hardest part. I have put the details up here: http://pastebin.com/2u4CtjCA
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[2:23] <therion23> oh well, movie time .. later!
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[2:26] <AliG1000> OK...has anyone here put a Rasberry Pi in a vehicle? :)
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[2:28] <AliG1000> or attached GPS to a Raspberry Pi?
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[2:30] <promet> If you have many barrels of blood, will vampires a) not drink from them b) drink from them only after delicious living dwarf blood is exhausted c) drink from them always, if they're handy?
[2:30] <promet> Or d) some unknown "Toady-reality"...
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[2:32] <promet> Ha, sorry, wrong room-tab....
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[2:50] <AliG1000> Anyone with experience in attaching a small touchscreen to a Raspberry Pi? If so, which screen did you use and how did you fo it?
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[3:08] <^v> woop this exists
[3:08] <shiftplusone> or does it?
[3:09] <ShorTie> na, it is just a figment of your imagination
[3:09] <^v> its as real as any other channel
[3:10] <Zimsky> how can you be sure any other channel is real
[3:10] <chris_99> there is no spoon
[3:11] <Zimsky> too true grasshopper
[3:11] <^v> >_>
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[3:46] <Bookwormser> Hiya folks.
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[3:51] <abnormal> hi there worms
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[3:55] <AliG1000> Hi - has anyone connected a Raspberry Pi to a small touchscreen?
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[4:00] <abnormal> yes, look in the raspberrypi.org forums and find touch screen then look for the one that explains in the github site.
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[4:01] <AliG1000> I am building a in-vehicle GPS and driver feedback unit. Can someone check to see if I am on the right track? I have put the details up here: http://pastebin.com/2u4CtjCA
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[4:03] <abnormal> yes, I have seen the pastebin, and I am not able to ans to that you are on track... althogh you could just go ahead and see if it works...
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[4:06] <abnormal> http://pastebin.com/45auwJLM
[4:07] <abnormal> is this it?
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[4:08] <AliG1000> crikey - what was that link?
[4:08] <abnormal> sorry wrong channel, omit the last two msgs
[4:08] <AliG1000> :)
[4:08] <abnormal> yeh crikey alrite...
[4:08] <AliG1000> So, here is what I would like to do
[4:08] <AliG1000> get a good GPS signal
[4:09] <AliG1000> send it over 3G to a central server
[4:09] <AliG1000> do some calculations
[4:09] <AliG1000> send a bit of data back to the RPi
[4:09] <AliG1000> and display it on the screen
[4:09] <AliG1000> so far so good, right?
[4:10] <AliG1000> I want to be able to connect it to the battery of the vehicle so that, once installed, it does not need touching
[4:10] <AliG1000> The UPS powers it down safely if needed
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[4:12] <AliG1000> the external GPS antenna is powered, active and sitting high on the roof, which should get a more accurate location than a regular GPS chip sitting close/on the RPi
[4:12] <abnormal> yes that's a good move..
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[4:13] <dr4ke> has anyone successfully got a 3g dongle to work on an RPI?
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[4:15] <AliG1000> dr4ke: here is a list http://elinux.org/RPi_VerifiedPeripherals#USB_3G_Dongles
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[4:16] <dr4ke> A list is one thing... actually getting one to work is another.
[4:16] <dr4ke> This does not seem like a trivial task and barely possible
[4:17] <AliG1000> true. I am shopping for one myself. But, if it all works, then I will need to buy quite a few
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[4:17] <AliG1000> It doesn't look overly difficult though.
[4:17] <dr4ke> That's sort of my problem. I need to deploy an embedded system like 200 miles away. It will be nowhere near power or wifi and I need to figure BOTH out.
[4:18] <dr4ke> Wondering if I actually will.
[4:18] <AliG1000> I think the main problem is that a USB dongle acts as both a storage unit and a 3G unit. You have to tell Linux to ignore the storage capabilities
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[4:19] <dr4ke> That shouldn't be too hard. Do you have much experience with Linux outside this?
[4:19] <AliG1000> not a great deal, but I am working with someone who has
[4:20] <AliG1000> Currently, I am sourcing all of the parts we need
[4:20] <AliG1000> We are on the fence about purchasing a low-cost smartphone (Moto E) vs. RPi
[4:21] <AliG1000> With the Android phone, we were hitting the limitations of Android software and hardware abilities (to add peripherals etc.)
[4:21] <dr4ke> Gotcha. Sounds good. Linux is really quite logical once you get the hang of it. I've been Linux only for about 5 years.
[4:21] <AliG1000> So the RPi looks as though it is the right route, as we can extend it later
[4:22] <dr4ke> Have you tried the BBB? I'm super badass but HAAAARD to come by.
[4:22] <AliG1000> I quite like it, but RPi is easier to come by
[4:23] <AliG1000> so, we're going for RPi - with our units we need to have a reliable supply
[4:24] <AliG1000> and there is simply a bigger community surrounding the RPi that should give it some longevity
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[4:25] <dr4ke> Yeah... and cheaper peripherals... and more of them.
[4:25] <dr4ke> I wish there was an "official" 3g dongle I could buy from adafruit.
[4:27] <AliG1000> try http://www.amazon.com/Huawei-E173-Unlocked-HSDPA-7-2Mbps/dp/B0055310KQ/
[4:29] <AliG1000> and this possible working solution: http://www.mattiasnorell.com/blog/send-sms-from-a-raspberry-pi/
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[4:30] <dr4ke> Cool. I'll give it a read. Thanks!
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[4:32] <AliG1000> actually, maybe this is a better solution: http://www.raspberrypi.org/forums/viewtopic.php?f=63&t=46543
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[5:47] <[Saint]> https://www.indiegogo.com/projects/geek-wave-it-s-not-a-next-gen-ipod-it-s-a-no-compromise-portable-music-player
[5:47] <[Saint]> 0_o
[5:48] * [Saint] suspects even Neil Young will find /that/ ridiculous.
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[5:49] <[Saint]> Resolution many, many, many, many orders of magnitude greater than that of human hearing? Sure, why not. Faaaaaaaaaaar too much processing power (We can do most lossless formats in realtime with ~8MHz)? Sure, why not..
[5:57] <DanDare> audiophiles are like that
[5:57] <DanDare> more a matter of social status
[5:58] <DanDare> and maybe, nothing really interesting to do with money :p
[5:59] <[Saint]> Its hard to have the discussion about audio quality with them.
[5:59] <[Saint]> There really is a point where you can't increase the resolution any more and still gain from it.
[5:59] <[Saint]> And, we passed that loooooooooooooong ago.
[5:59] <[Saint]> Cramming more bits in there does nothing but add to overhead.
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[6:07] <DanDare> Anybody knows what raspbian does about security updates? Normal debian have them as backports. What happens with raspbian? Its just merged/included into regular apt mirrors?
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[6:17] <[Saint]> Raspbian is debian with a few pi specific bits chucked in, and recompiled to suit ARMv6 when necessary.
[6:17] <[Saint]> so - same same.
[6:18] <DanDare> [Saint], I mean. After installing raspbian i dont see the 'security' lines in apt/sources.list
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[6:24] <plugwash> DanDare, We don't maintain a seperate security archive we just push the security updates into our main apt repo
[6:24] <[Saint]> ...bah.
[6:25] <[Saint]> Just as I sat down.
[6:25] <[Saint]> Thanks.
[6:25] <DanDare> hello there plugwash, thanks
[6:25] <Xark> Hello. I recently upgraded my RPi firmware and now the boot text console is "low-res" and blurry. I have fiddled with dpkg-reconfigure console-setup but is there any way I can restore the old "hi-res" console framebuffer?
[6:25] <DanDare> plugwash, theres any defined update cycle for raspbian, after a update gets available for Wheezy?
[6:26] * Xark suspects may require kernel recompile...
[6:26] <[Saint]> debian update -> rebuild if required -> testing (I assume) -> push to users.
[6:26] <plugwash> [Saint], please stick to stuff you actually know about
[6:27] <DanDare> [Saint], yeah, but whats the "lag" between debian official updates and raspbian ones?
[6:27] <DanDare> Asking out of curiosity
[6:28] <plugwash> It depends, the update cronjob runs every 6 hours. Best case is arch all packages which will come in on that update run. Packages with arch dependent packages will usually take two update runs (one to import the source from debian, one to put the binaries in the repo)
[6:29] <plugwash> if something goes wrong or manual attention is needed it can take a bit longer but feel free to complain loudly if a security update that is important to you hasn't landed in raspbian within 24 hours of debian releasing it
[6:29] <[Saint]> *sooooooo* different to my stripped down version....right.
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[6:30] <DanDare> plugwash, cool, thanks.
[6:30] <DanDare> plugwash, sorry, last question if you up to answer: Why some packages like 'firmware-atheros' arent available?
[6:31] <DanDare> I added the 'contrib' + 'non-free' part there but it doenst find it
[6:31] <DanDare> Oh what, apt-cache show it now... sorry. I think the last time i tried i forgot to apt-update. nvm
[6:32] <plugwash> [Saint], well the main thing you assumed wrongly is that there was any testing involved..................
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[6:32] <[Saint]> Ohhh, boo bloody hoo.
[6:33] <DanDare> plugwash, no reasons to complain. 24 hours is already just fine
[6:33] <[Saint]> Cry me a revir. That didn't deserve Cpt. Passiveaggressive to pop his head up.
[6:33] <DanDare> even 48 I guess... thats relative :p
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[6:35] <DanDare> Xark, maybe thats not some /etc/kbd/config setup ?
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[6:36] <DanDare> sounds like not anyway.. im not sure but firmware updates should not touch config there (i guess)
[6:36] <Xark> DanDare: My understanding is it was a change to reduce memory used for console framebuffer on the assumption that "most people use X" (which is likely true, but I miss a readable console with decent text density - and I don't use X).
[6:36] <DanDare> ok, bummer
[6:37] <Xark> It is possible it was a Linux upgrade, but I think it was the rpi0update that did it (dramatically blurrier reading Linux boot output, e.g.)
[6:37] <Xark> rpi-update*
[6:37] <DanDare> after my initial pi experience I think I decided to not use rpi-update anymore
[6:37] <[Saint]> rpi-update is a strange creature.
[6:38] <DanDare> For what I saw, best for me was start from netinst and and stick with firmware/kernel updates from apt repos, only
[6:38] <[Saint]> indeed.
[6:39] <Xark> Hmm, well rpi-update comes with standard distro...
[6:39] <[Saint]> lots of questionable things do.
[6:39] <Xark> aptitude update/upgrade doesn't seem to update firmware
[6:39] <DanDare> Yeah.. But I think dont call that stable
[6:39] <[Saint]> Xark: dist-upgrade should.
[6:39] <DanDare> Xark, I think it does if you include 'firmware' in /apt/sources.list
[6:40] <DanDare> At least in the netinst install, not sure about the plain raspbian
[6:40] * [Saint] uses Arch, which handles this in a much saner way.
[6:40] <[Saint]> metapackages ftw.
[6:40] <Xark> DanDare: OK, but the default doesn't appear too. I am trying not to "alter" the official stuff too much on this RPi...(however, I may need to alter that policy.)
[6:40] <DanDare> [Saint], I may be wrong but my understand was that you dont need dist-upgradde, if you add 'firmware' on sources.list
[6:41] <[Saint]> DanDare: possibly, not sure.
[6:41] <DanDare> Xark, I see. Sometimes 'official' is not
[6:41] <DanDare> ... the better, anyway
[6:41] <DanDare> not judging here, just pointing it out
[6:41] <Xark> DanDare: Perhaps not, but I wanted to "be on the same page" as the masses with this RPi.
[6:41] <DanDare> understand
[6:42] <[Saint]> Do a dist-upgrade run occasionally.
[6:42] <[Saint]> Hell, do it every time you apt-update.
[6:42] <[Saint]> It can't hurt.
[6:42] <DanDare> me too. But not more after trying pi and stuff lately
[6:42] <Xark> [Saint]: OK, I should try that (WTH). :)
[6:42] <plugwash> dist-upgrade can MOST DEFINATELY hurt
[6:42] <plugwash> ALWAYS read what it plans to do before saying yes
[6:43] <[Saint]> ...the same with any upgrade.
[6:43] <Xark> plugwash: OK, thanks for the heads up. I have little invested in this SD card though.
[6:43] <plugwash> [Saint], upgrade is generally safe enough, since it won't add or remove packages only upgrade them
[6:44] <abnormal> what about update?
[6:44] <DanDare> I miss the point about dist-upgrade, considering that Wheezy is what exist for pi
[6:44] <[Saint]> that's always safe.
[6:44] <[Saint]> it does nothing but update sources.
[6:44] <plugwash> dist-upgrade on the other hand will add and remove packages to complete the upgrade and sometimes it will remove things you would rather it didn't.
[6:44] <DanDare> you mean adding 'testing' to apt and do it ?
[6:45] <[Saint]> plugwash: easy to pin in that instance
[6:45] <[Saint]> but, I agree, if you don't watch what apt wants to do...you're likely gonna have a bad time.
[6:45] <[Saint]> stay away from -y ;)
[6:46] <DanDare> Xark, here for example. Playing with mainstream raspbian and mame. after last rpi-update mame only gives me 'seg fault'. I think the best is work some actual firmware and stick for what works (not using rpi-update or firmware updates at all)
[6:46] <DanDare> unless you have a real motivation about doing so
[6:47] <[Saint]> same with jumping kernels.
[6:47] <[Saint]> only do so if there's a valid reason.
[6:47] <[Saint]> not to be "up-to-date".
[6:47] <DanDare> very tue. even more for kernel versions imo
[6:47] <[Saint]> if it 'aint broke, etc.
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[6:49] <[Saint]> On the opposite end of the scale, I trust my own systems so much that I run "sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get check && sudo apt-get upgrade -y && sudo apt-get dist-upgrade -y && sudo apt-get autoremove -y && sudo apt-get autoclean && sudo update-grub" on a 12h cronjob.
[6:49] <[Saint]> that's essentially "upgrade everything, nope, I don't care...just do it."
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[6:50] <[Saint]> "Oh, and, clean up after yourself...dammit!"
[6:50] <[Saint]> (and, yes, yes it is slightly foolish)
[6:51] <plugwash> on a stable release you will most likely get away with it, on testing or unstable i'd consider setting up a system up like that to be suicide
[6:51] <[Saint]> testing is rock solid these days and has been for ages.
[6:51] <[Saint]> (its debian testing, yes)
[6:52] <[Saint]> testing essentially is stable now. Even unusable is a bit tame.
[6:52] <[Saint]> *unstable
[6:52] <[Saint]> Far from the days of jumping onto testing and *everything* falling over. ;)
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[6:56] <DanDare> well, the existence of Debian for pi was a very important fact about my buy decision on pi
[6:56] <plugwash> note that due to the way our update scripts work raspbian testing is likely to be a much rougher ride than debian testing
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[6:56] * [Saint] uses Arch on his pis - rough rides are a daily occurrence
[6:58] <[Saint]> Actually, I use Arch on _all_ *my* systems. Its just the ones Ms. [Saint] has to deal with that get the Debian treatment.
[6:58] <[Saint]> Y'know, 'cos "normal" people like having a DE, and, simple things...like a monitor. ;)
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[7:00] * [Saint] needs a new naming schema for his fleet of ARM mini-boards
[7:01] <[Saint]> "saint-raspberrypi1"~"*22" makes things...difficult.
[7:01] <DanDare> do you have a pi cluster? :p
[7:02] <[Saint]> Quite a few scattered around the house doing menial tasks, the others are anonymizing repeater stations.
[7:02] <DanDare> :o
[7:03] <[Saint]> pi+2 wifi dongles and a bit of magic and the client has a repeater station and access to their account's shared storage.
[7:03] <[Saint]> $10/m for all-they-can-eat anonymous wireless N.
[7:04] <[Saint]> (and, yes, my ISP hates me for it)
[7:04] <DanDare> I hope they dont care about you reselling your connection
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[7:04] <[Saint]> Its the only plan where they haven't written it out as a specific clause.
[7:05] <[Saint]> (and, no, they don't like that either - but, I'm not moving. Its a grandfathered plan and I'm not giving it up. :0)
[7:05] <DanDare> I see
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[7:19] <plugwash> If the ISP really cared they'd just get rid of the plan and tell you to move to another plan or lose service wouldn't they?
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[7:30] <[Saint]> They can't.
[7:30] <[Saint]> Their options are: forclosure, or, wait until I exit the plan.
[7:30] <[Saint]> woo! grandfathered plans with poor legalese!
[7:31] <[Saint]> They no longer offer this plan to new clients.
[7:31] <[Saint]> And haven't for ~4 years.
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[7:31] <[Saint]> That's about as good as they can get.
[7:31] <plugwash> what exactly does "forclosure" entail?
[7:32] <[Saint]> going belly up and closing the doors of the company.
[7:32] <[Saint]> ie. not gonna happen. Too big to fail. etc.
[7:32] * plugwash is very surprised the plan doesn't have a termination clause
[7:32] <[Saint]> Oh, it does, but there's no "we can just terminate it for any arbitrary reason we feel like clause"
[7:33] <[Saint]> I would have to be in breach.
[7:34] <[Saint]> Hilariously, I puch so much traffic through that they needed to update the exchange near my house because it was giving my priority and crippling the rest of the neighborhood.
[7:34] <[Saint]> s/puch/push/
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[7:36] <[Saint]> When I spoke to the Chorus (semi-private linesman for TNZ) engineers about the work they were doing, and how long I'd be down for (I can see the exchange from my lounge room window) they said they needed to upgrade that exchange because "some <expletive> was downloading the entire Internet and slowing everyone else to a crawl."
[7:36] * [Saint] did not mention that he was "some <expletive>"
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[7:38] <Boohbah> you show those evil telcos!
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[7:43] <RoBo_V> hey techTalkers, Morning !
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[7:46] <plugwash> hi
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[7:51] <RoBo_V> guys anyone made transmission web interface working over Putty SSH tunnelling ?
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[8:32] <anildigital> Guys.. how to connect Raspberry Pi to a Dell monitor which doesn't support HDMI?
[8:32] <anildigital> any recommended way to do this?
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[8:32] <gordonDrogon> anildigital, does it have a DVI input or just VGA?
[8:33] <anildigital> gordonDrogon: just VGA
[8:33] <[Saint]> Connect said Dell monitor to another system and use VNC.
[8:33] <gordonDrogon> there are adapters now - not too expensive.
[8:33] <gordonDrogon> http://uk.farnell.com/element14/piview/adapter-hdmi-to-vga-for-raspberry/dp/2133899
[8:34] <gordonDrogon> you can get them cheaper, but they work.
[8:34] <[Saint]> anildigital: are you able to connect this monitor to another machine?
[8:34] <[Saint]> (with local network access)
[8:34] <anildigital> This http://elinux.org/RPi_VerifiedPeripherals#HDMI-.3EDVI-D_cables says.. HDMI to VGA cables to not work
[8:34] <anildigital> Sablier: nope.. this monitor doesn't have any computer
[8:34] <[Saint]> anildigital: many of those converters are pure voodoo.
[8:34] <gordonDrogon> anildigital, that page is possible out of date - however straigh forward *cables* do not work, but adapters do work.
[8:35] <[Saint]> not the one gordonDrogon linked however.
[8:35] <[Saint]> an *adapter* will not work.
[8:35] <gordonDrogon> the one I linked works perfectly well.
[8:35] <[Saint]> A *converter* will.
[8:35] <anildigital> Sablier: yes.. /cc gordonDrogon
[8:35] <gordonDrogon> oh adapter/converter. you've just being pedantic now.
[8:35] <[Saint]> No. I'm not.
[8:35] <[Saint]> Its two clearly different things.
[8:35] <[Saint]> And, you know it.
[8:35] <gordonDrogon> like who cares.
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[8:36] <[Saint]> ...the guy potentially buying something needless.
[8:36] <[Saint]> that's who.
[8:36] <[Saint]> Geez.
[8:36] <gordonDrogon> the link I gave points to a device that works.
[8:36] <gordonDrogon> regardless of its name.
[8:36] <[Saint]> Yes, and, bravo.
[8:36] <[Saint]> No need to rtail me for providing correct additional info though, was there?
[8:36] <[Saint]> *rail
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[8:37] * gordonDrogon blows a raspberry.
[8:37] * gordonDrogon now realises that phrase may have an alternative meaning, depending on what country you're in ...
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[8:38] <[Saint]> Yeah, English is fun.
[8:38] <[Saint]> FWIW - I didn't actually realize you'd used the term adapter.
[8:39] <[Saint]> So, it wasn't (as it may have seemed) a pedantic personal attack.
[8:39] <[Saint]> Just trying to make sure OP didn't buy some useless gender changer.
[8:39] <RahulAN> hii al
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[8:44] <anildigital> Does all Dell monitors have hdmi input?
[8:45] <[Saint]> No.
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[8:50] <amigojapan> anildigital: dell monitors date back to before htmi
[8:50] <anildigital> amigojapan: not sure.. my company has dell monitors.. purchased 3-4 years back
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[8:50] <anildigital> not sure whether they support hdmi or not
[8:51] <amigojapan> anildigital: hmmmm, do you know hte model number?
[8:51] <[Saint]> he wasn't asking a question. He was stating "No, not all Dell monitors have HDMI, because Dell predates HDMI by a large margin."
[8:51] <amigojapan> anildigital: I would think 4 years ago they probably have it, but I cant guarranty
[8:52] <[Saint]> You'll likely find DVI the most common input these days.
[8:52] <[Saint]> Even ~4 years ago.
[8:53] <amigojapan> anildigital: in other words, who knows what they have if you dont look at the monitors
[8:54] * [Saint] was searching for a polite way to word that
[8:54] <[Saint]> (being polite isn't my specialty)
[8:55] <amigojapan> [Saint]: many people on IRC seem to not be polite
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[8:55] <[Saint]> At face value, yes. But realistically its a place that often forces English, so many people may not be familiar with the languang and its subtleties.
[8:56] <[Saint]> And a lot of people imply tone when there isn't a tone to imply.
[8:56] <[Saint]> Its easy to assume people are being arrogant, however. But there's a lot of factors in play.
[8:56] <gordonDrogon> Dells are typicall made to a budget, so buy a monitor with a PC - if the PC only has VGA, so will the monitor.
[8:57] <gordonDrogon> finding this a lot on schools right now - lots of shiny monitors - no dvi/hdmi )-:
[8:57] <amigojapan> true [Saint]
[8:57] <[Saint]> gordonDrogon: indeedy
[8:57] <[Saint]> wost part is you can see the monitors are often rather generic and the port is just *missing*.
[8:58] <[Saint]> Like, they saved a few cents not adding a port that would function if they did.
[8:58] <gordonDrogon> a few cents means a lot when you make > 100K ...
[8:59] <[Saint]> charge the few cents more on MSRP.
[8:59] <[Saint]> its a few cents... ;)
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[9:30] <plugwash> <amigojapan> anildigital: in other words, who knows what they have if you dont look at the monitors <-- I don't think i've ever seen one that didn't have VGA, DVI is fairly common but not universal, HDMI is uncommon on low end monitors (of any brand including dell) in my experiance
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[9:30] <amigojapan> ok plugwash
[9:30] <anildigital> plugwash: hmm.. hope it has dvi port
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[9:37] <plugwash> connectors are surprisingly expensive
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[9:47] <neutrino> shit .. the capacitor came off due to negligence of handling by a cousin of mine
[9:48] <neutrino> he's only 10 and it came of while he was trying to plug in the power
[9:48] <neutrino> resting his thumb on the capacitor for force
[9:48] <Triffid_Hunter> neutrino: did it rip off copper traces?
[9:48] <neutrino> nah ..
[9:49] <neutrino> it still works though the pi
[9:49] <neutrino> although when i plug in a usbdrive it reboots
[9:49] <Triffid_Hunter> yeah that's to be expected for lacking a capacitor
[9:49] <neutrino> yeah
[9:49] <plugwash> if it didn't rip the tracks off the board then it should be easy enough to pop it back on
[9:49] <Triffid_Hunter> frankly it didn't have enough capacitors in the first place
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[9:49] <Triffid_Hunter> widely known to reboot when you hotplug numerous devices, or crash when usb wifi is transmitting
[9:49] <neutrino> i think they relied on the charger having the capacitor too
[9:50] <Triffid_Hunter> neutrino: that would be extremely dumb, any capacitor upstream of a cable cannot be factored in
[9:50] <neutrino> most chargers have a cap at the end of their regulated o/p
[9:50] <neutrino> why not ?
[9:50] <Triffid_Hunter> neutrino: they have to, or the cable becomes an antenna radiating noise and they wouldn't pass FCC 15.B
[9:50] <Triffid_Hunter> neutrino: because the cable itself has inductance and resistance
[9:51] <neutrino> ah yes ,
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[9:51] <neutrino> but have you noticed when you switch of the powerdupply there is a noticable delay before the pi switches off
[9:51] <plugwash> <Triffid_Hunter> neutrino: they have to, or the cable becomes an antenna radiating noise and they wouldn't pass FCC 15.B <-- which i'm guessing the makers of the direct from china ebay rubbish don't give a damn about
[9:51] <neutrino> i still get that delay without the cap
[9:52] <Triffid_Hunter> nope. I've noticed that it takes a few seconds for the leds to go out, but the rpi bombs almost instantly. this is symptomatic of not enough capacitors
[9:52] <plugwash> if they don't care about safety regs do you really think they will care about EMC?
[9:52] <neutrino> okay
[9:53] <plugwash> capacitors in the power supply do have some impact on what happens to the power rail but only on fairly long timescales
[9:53] <neutrino> although i defintly think the capacitor in the charger serves to buffer some charge for the pi too
[9:53] <Triffid_Hunter> neutrino: In fact, being an EE, I added *extra* capacitors to my RPI to combat the 'crash on USB hotplug' issue -> http://triffid-hunter.no-ip.info/101_0120_mlcc.jpg
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[9:54] <plugwash> as the timescales get shorter wires start acting more and more like inductors.
[9:54] <neutrino> oh okay .. cool
[9:54] <Triffid_Hunter> neutrino: not on a timescale that matters
[9:54] <neutrino> the inductance and resistance of the wire is enough to cancel out the capacitnace ?
[9:54] <plugwash> for some really high frequency stuff this becomes a big problem. If the frequency is high enough most capacitors look more like inductors than capacitors
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[9:55] <neutrino> this is pretty much DC
[9:55] <Triffid_Hunter> neutrino: heh nope
[9:55] <neutrino> nope !?
[9:55] <Triffid_Hunter> neutrino: the overall supply voltage is DC, but logic chips work by taking lots of big but extremely short slurps
[9:55] <neutrino> okay
[9:56] <Triffid_Hunter> neutrino: if the supply rail voltage falls during a slurp, data is corrupted and the system crashes
[9:56] <Triffid_Hunter> neutrino: now, the capacitors in the power supply are at the far end of a cable. the cable's inductance and resistance mean that the supply's capacitors can't do jack over the duration of a slurp
[9:57] <Triffid_Hunter> so there MUST be sufficient capacitors on the pcb, RIGHT NEXT to the cpu to hold up the voltage during each slurp
[9:57] <Triffid_Hunter> the RPI does not have sufficient caps onboard
[9:57] <neutrino> hmm
[9:57] <Triffid_Hunter> and there are widespread reports of the wide range of issues that this lack causes
[9:58] <plugwash> afaict the Pi DOES have sufficiant of the small close-in capacitors to handle the short slurps created by the logic chips. It's the longer but slower slurps that cause the problems
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[9:58] <Triffid_Hunter> neutrino: think of it this way.. your toilet has a cistern because mains water cannot supply that much water that quickly. however given how often you can flush the toilet, it's more than capable of supplying the volume of water
[9:58] <[Saint]> Its very hard to diagnose this issue in reality.
[9:58] <Triffid_Hunter> neutrino: all you need is a localised buffer- the cistern. onboard capacitors serve *exactly* the same function
[9:58] <[Saint]> Lots of users will swear their PSU is adequate.
[9:59] <[Saint]> ...based solely on what the PSU claims.
[9:59] <[Saint]> o_o
[9:59] <Triffid_Hunter> plugwash: disagree. plug in a bus-powered external hard drive sometime, see how your pi goes
[9:59] <neutrino> Triffid_Hunter: cool .. so where did you plug in caps onboard ?
[9:59] <Triffid_Hunter> neutrino: they're highlighted and circled in the image I linked
[10:00] <plugwash> that comes under the category of "larger slower slurps"
[10:00] <plugwash> think about it, the speed of the slurp from a USB hard drive will be limited by the cable to the hard drive
[10:00] <[Saint]> Indeed.
[10:01] <Triffid_Hunter> then a second issue is too much trace resistance, and too much sensitivity to supply variations
[10:01] <Triffid_Hunter> that's why I added the wires pictures
[10:01] <Triffid_Hunter> pictured*
[10:01] <[Saint]> that looks...ummm..."pretty".
[10:01] <plugwash> the real problem with USB hotplug is no inrush current control on the USB downstream ports
[10:02] <[Saint]> Triffid_Hunter: what's with the discolouration on the PCB?
[10:02] <Triffid_Hunter> the USB spec has a max downstream capacitance from memory
[10:02] <[Saint]> looks like that wee girl got _hot_.
[10:02] <plugwash> throwing more capacitance at the problem is really just a band aid that can cause problems of it's own (it increases the tolerance of your board to downstream inrush but also means your board takes a bigger inrush from it's upstream)
[10:03] <Triffid_Hunter> [Saint]: the white stuff? it came like that, it's manufacturing residue
[10:03] <plugwash> [Saint] if you mean the board as a whole looking an unusually dark green I suspect that is just bad lighting
[10:03] <Triffid_Hunter> plugwash: sure, but I don't care about upstream inrush
[10:03] <[Saint]> plugwash: I do, yes, but its remarkably inconsistent.
[10:03] <[Saint]> so much so I didn't believe it to be lighting.
[10:04] <[Saint]> but, its possible.
[10:04] <Triffid_Hunter> and yeah, I couldn't even pretend to be a pro photographer, extremely likely to be poor lighting
[10:04] <Triffid_Hunter> the board itself is uniform colour. there's no signs of heat stress
[10:04] * [Saint] spots baked on fingerprints
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[10:04] <[Saint]> need moar resolution so I can CSI this shizzle...
[10:05] <[Saint]> *enhance!*
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[10:05] * plugwash still think's it's just bad lighting making normal differences more obvious
[10:05] <plugwash> you always get multiple shades of green on a PCB because some areas have groundplane under them and some don't
[10:06] <[Saint]> Ah - yeah, sure.
[10:06] <[Saint]> At this point I was talking about the baked on fingerprint on X1
[10:07] * Lupinedk is now known as lupinedk
[10:09] <[Saint]> Oh, great. Just what I always wanted. A massive user switch pane that takes up the space two tabs could occupy.
[10:09] <[Saint]> Thanks, Google. Thoogle.
[10:09] * plugwash doubt's it's baked on
[10:09] * [Saint] plays the Look Around You theme
[10:10] <[Saint]> plugwash: if you find a way to remove them without actual abrasion - lemme know.
[10:10] <[Saint]> heat+fingerprint oils==etching.
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[10:17] <gordonDrogon> right. baking done for another week. only 18 loves this morning.
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[10:18] * [Saint] sends a ball boy to gordonDrogon
[10:18] <[Saint]> though I'm not sure what scoring system that is.
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[10:19] <gordonDrogon> some sport where they lob balls over a net at each other?
[10:19] <gordonDrogon> using big stringy bats..
[10:19] <DoctorD90> hello! good morning gordonDrogon :D
[10:21] <DoctorD90> just a simple question. i have read about (on b+) that they have added a fuse on 5v .....what does this mean? that now there isnt more problem to burn cpu?
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[10:23] <gordonDrogon> there is a resetting "polyfuse" on all Pi's.
[10:23] <plugwash> There are a number of changes to the power circuitry on the b+ but none I would describe as "added a fuse on 5v"
[10:23] <gordonDrogon> On hte B+ its rated at 2 amps, on the B/2 its 700mA.
[10:23] <DoctorD90> uhm....what does this mean ? :/
[10:24] <gordonDrogon> it means nothing really.
[10:24] <DoctorD90> polyfuse* i mean :P
[10:24] <gordonDrogon> a polyfuse is a self resetting fuse.
[10:24] <gordonDrogon> use google to find the details.
[10:24] <DoctorD90> okz
[10:24] <DoctorD90> !*
[10:25] <[Saint]> "it means nothing" is a little bit of a stretch.
[10:25] <Triffid_Hunter> they're a terrible idea when the downstream electronics are sensitive to voltage drop
[10:25] <[Saint]> it means you can actually finally draw a reasonable amount without the pi falling over.
[10:25] <DoctorD90> btw, now on 5v, with stuff that exceed of 5v, i dont have risk to burn up all or i have bad interpreted?
[10:25] <[Saint]> (browning out)
[10:25] <RoBo_V> Guys I was thinking to add battery backup to my RPi via this charger http://www.aliexpress.com/item/1Pcs-5V-Micro-USB-1A-1000mA-Lithium-Battery-Charging-Board-Charger-Module-Brand-New/1447947500.html
[10:26] <gordonDrogon> DoctorD90, the fuse protects the Pi (and possibly the PSU) against overcurrent, not overvoltage.
[10:26] <RoBo_V> along with 3.7V lip flat battery pack
[10:26] <DoctorD90> ah! ampere. ok!
[10:26] <gordonDrogon> however overcurrent is a typical trait of overvoltage, followed by black smoke escaping...
[10:26] <[Saint]> hopefully in that instance you'll just explode the polyfuse. :)
[10:26] <DoctorD90> and how much is current supported? :)
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[10:27] <DoctorD90> is "changeable" the polyfuse?
[10:27] <[Saint]> in theory, but, why?
[10:27] <gordonDrogon> RoBo_V, that just looks like a charger to me - I don't think it has a buck/boost converter to take the battery back up to the 5v the Pi needs...
[10:29] <RoBo_V> gordonDrogon: yes it charger only or I have to use that charger along with 3.7V lipo x2 and buck converter, is that so ?
[10:30] <DoctorD90> [Saint]: to learn :P ok...so i have bad interpreted while i was reading :) next one. new2 I2C (sd_sc and the other uf i remember well) will be used with some board to load by eeprom stuff. after startup, is possible use it as i2c?
[10:32] <gordonDrogon> DoctorD90, the Pi has 3 I2c ports - the one that is normally usable on the B is still usable on the B+ but there is a separate one for reading a configuration eeprom for the HAT specification.
[10:33] <Tenebrous> any linux people know how to find what is continuously accessing the sd card?
[10:33] * plugwash thought that the chip on the Pi only had two i2c controllers but one of them could be pinmuxed to two different pairs of pins
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[10:34] * gordonDrogon ponders
[10:34] <gordonDrogon> I thought there was a separate one dedicated to the cameras ... but I could be wrong.
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[10:35] <plugwash> AIUI the camera one and the hat id one are different pinmuxings of the same controller
[10:35] <DoctorD90> and ok, but i2c related to eeprom reading, on png on site, says that eeprom is readed only at startup....so then it became a normal pin/i2c?
[10:35] <plugwash> so you can't use them both at the same time
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[10:35] <Triffid_Hunter> Tenebrous: lsof
[10:36] <Triffid_Hunter> Tenebrous: also check iotop
[10:36] <plugwash> theres nothing to STOP you using the hat ID pins for other things, you just have to be careful
[10:36] <Tenebrous> brilliant thanks
[10:37] <plugwash> e.g. if you use them as I2C pins you can't use the camera. If you use them as general IO pins you have to be careful that your circuit is not troubled by an eeprom read event during startup and if an eeprom is present that your waveforms don't inadvertantly activate it's I2C interfact
[10:37] <DoctorD90> ah ok! so during startup it goes as eeprom reader, then, it is a normal pin/i2c ..making a sort of interrupter with on a,other pin i can able to use it once rpi has been startedup i think :)
[10:38] <gordonDrogon> best not to. just leave it alone. There are other GPIOs to use and the existing I2C.
[10:38] <DoctorD90> QQ .....i hoped in more i2c >,>
[10:39] <DoctorD90> to control more dc motor ..... uff....
[10:39] <gordonDrogon> maybe the Pi's the wrong device if you need 2 I2C busses.
[10:39] <gordonDrogon> remember one I2C bus can control dozens of devices.
[10:39] <plugwash> gordonDrogon, unfortunately "dozens" is something of a best case scenario
[10:40] <DoctorD90> uhm......yea! xD what a dumbass! i forget! sorry me so!! really sorry!
[10:40] * gordonDrogon looks at his desk... dozens.
[10:40] <DoctorD90> i need 4 dc motor (xD)
[10:40] <Tenebrous> dozens of desks
[10:40] <DoctorD90> x,D
[10:40] <gordonDrogon> mayby I2C isn't the best way to control motors?
[10:40] <plugwash> reality is most I2C devices have a very limited address range. So if you need more than a handful of the same device you are screwed
[10:40] <Triffid_Hunter> DoctorD90: if you want to control multiple DC motors, get an arduino and suitable shields, and plug it into your RPi
[10:41] <gordonDrogon> I2C multiplexor/switches exist. I have some on my desk ...
[10:41] <DoctorD90> multiplexor are?
[10:41] <gordonDrogon> there are many boards that will let you control DC motors directly off a Pi without using an Arduino
[10:42] <DoctorD90> Triffid_Hunter: i dont know C :P if i'd know, i buy an arduino :P
[10:43] <DoctorD90> adding: i still dont know what are the best motor for a quadcopter :P dc motor,stepped motors, or 3rd type that i never remember :P
[10:43] <gordonDrogon> oh dear.
[10:43] <[Saint]> Woo! Finally completed, I have some numbers. Lighting my entire house has dropped from consuming (at peak) 1400W to 208W.
[10:44] <[Saint]> LED ftw.
[10:44] <gordonDrogon> [Saint], LED lighting? I'm slowly moving mine over to that.
[10:44] * [Saint] nods
[10:44] <plugwash> what were you using to light it before?
[10:44] <gordonDrogon> I haven't found some nice 'candle' type LED lights yet.
[10:44] <[Saint]> Normal incandescant bulbs.
[10:44] <[Saint]> *incandescent
[10:45] <plugwash> last I looked into things LED bulbs were comparable in efficiency to CFLs
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[10:45] <plugwash> and CFLs were much cheaper
[10:45] <Triffid_Hunter> DoctorD90: all modern quadcopters use BLDC due to their high power to weight ratio
[10:45] <[Saint]> LEDs are a lot brighter, and have a much "cleaner" light.
[10:45] <Triffid_Hunter> DoctorD90: for reference, BLDC is a very poor name for synchronous 3-phase permanent magnet AC motors
[10:45] <[Saint]> (well, they do _now_)
[10:46] <[Saint]> The first gen LED home lamps were garish.
[10:46] <[Saint]> There's also no silly warmup/cooldown period with LED.
[10:46] <[Saint]> Its light, right there, instantly.
[10:47] <DoctorD90> they are the 3rd type i never remember xD
[10:47] <[Saint]> CFLs take a good minute to come up to full brightness, and glow for a couple of minutes afterwards.
[10:47] <DoctorD90> thx for 2nd message btw!
[10:47] <gordonDrogon> the ones I have in my kitchen (GU50 replacements) do take 1/4 a second to start.
[10:47] <Tenebrous> DoctorD90: https://code.google.com/p/owenquad/ ?
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[10:47] <[Saint]> Hmmm, really?
[10:48] <Tenebrous> http://ghowen.me/build-your-own-quadcopter-autopilot/
[10:48] <DoctorD90> igo to google!
[10:48] <DoctorD90> lol xD
[10:48] <gordonDrogon> right. breakfast time. back later.
[10:48] <Tenebrous> lots of stuff on googles about making quadcopters with pis
[10:48] <[Saint]> anyway, yeah, the warmup/cooldown time is why I ousted the CFLs and went LED.
[10:49] <[Saint]> also - longevity, but, LED is making some bold claims there since its not exactly torture tested in-home.
[10:49] <Triffid_Hunter> DoctorD90: frankly, I'd use arducopter or papparazi projects to tightly control the motors using an arduino, and then give the RPi the task of deciding *what* to do
[10:49] <[Saint]> (and neither is CFL yet, really, but hey)
[10:49] <Tenebrous> weirdly i can't get fuse 1.1.1 working from code, but works ok
[10:49] <plugwash> The problem with LED bulbs is they are damn expensive. For that price i'd want some gaurantee on the longevity
[10:50] <[Saint]> they're only ~120% the cost of CFL here.
[10:50] <GoldDigger> meh
[10:50] <GoldDigger> 7watt led vs 60w bulb
[10:50] <GoldDigger> ill pay the extra bucks :(
[10:51] <[Saint]> y'know, if everyone switched to CFL right now, the peak demand power would halve?
[10:51] <[Saint]> ...it doesn't just benefit *you*. ;)
[10:51] <[Saint]> think big, etc.
[10:52] * plugwash finds that highly unlikely
[10:52] <plugwash> afaict peak power demand is driven by winter heating in cold climates and summer cooling in hot climates
[10:52] <[Saint]> lighting is one of the prime consumers in homes/businesses.
[10:53] <[Saint]> second only to water heating.
[10:54] <DoctorD90> Triffid_Hunter: i'd like, but, as i unfortunally said, i dont know C :P
[10:55] <[Saint]> I only have numbers for Australasia, though.
[10:55] <[Saint]> And we're not big on electric heating.
[10:55] <plugwash> are you big on aircon?
[10:55] <[Saint]> Nope.
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[10:56] <[Saint]> I have a heat exchanger, sure, buts is incredibly efficient. Lighting half the house costs me more (or, did) than heating it.
[10:57] <Tenebrous> DoctorD90: good opportunity to learn & google :D probably plenty of existing projects you can use
[10:59] <[Saint]> (the problem there though is that if those projects have deficiencies you're essentially back to square one - either learning a new language, or trying to convince someone else to do the work for you)
[10:59] * [Saint] notes that learning C is only ever a good thing.
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[10:59] <Tenebrous> true
[11:00] <plugwash> yeah, C would certainly be on my list of reccomended languages to learn.
[11:00] <plugwash> though i'd stay away from trying to write desktop or text processing apps in it unless you are a masochist
[11:01] <DoctorD90> yes, but i'd like to learn it...but im always without a pc xP
[11:01] <DoctorD90> so, ihave never time xD
[11:01] <[Saint]> Well, apparently you have a pi.
[11:01] <[Saint]> Or, are planning on it.
[11:02] <[Saint]> Problem solved.
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[11:02] <anildigital> what is best way to run http://dashing.io app on the raspberry pi
[11:02] <anildigital> which OS to run to run a good browser?
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[11:03] <DoctorD90> and in the end, i will not use no one existing project, because i want code all stuff by me :) to learn ...in the end ..it is a hobby xD if i copy existing project, i will spend x$ and i will purchase one yet made xD
[11:03] <DoctorD90> [Saint]: great xD you have understand too my idea to get a rpi xD
[11:03] <[Saint]> There's nothing wrong with using someone elses' code in your projects.
[11:03] <DoctorD90> i have purchase a tablet. so i can vnc in it :)
[11:04] <[Saint]> If you limit yourself to only using your own code, it will be very easy to get frustrated and lose interest.
[11:04] <[Saint]> Let other people do the menial tasks for you.
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[11:04] <DoctorD90> yep, but (to me) take more time, to read code, understand, elaborate, integrate, then code by my self :P
[11:04] <[Saint]> No sense re-inventing the wheel.
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[11:05] <DoctorD90> i know
[11:05] <[Saint]> From a purely education basis, I understand you goals.
[11:05] <DoctorD90> but i dont lost interest :) ...when i cant find solution, i dont lost interes :P
[11:05] <[Saint]> But its very easy to get overwhelmed here.
[11:05] <DoctorD90> yep!
[11:06] <DoctorD90> yea....you are rigth...but i do it 1.as spare time, as an hobby 2.to test my coding skills :)
[11:06] <DoctorD90> 3.to solve some issue and realize what i want
[11:06] <DoctorD90> (a sort of AI....)
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[11:07] <Triffid_Hunter> DoctorD90: if you want to write control firmware for a quad from scratch, you'd best be researching PID and the kalman filter
[11:07] <Triffid_Hunter> and also buy a LOT of spare blades and spars
[11:08] <DoctorD90> ehm....firmware? what do you mean? xD
[11:08] <Triffid_Hunter> DoctorD90: firmware is in between hardware and software, it's the name for code that runs on microcontrollers that are designed for hard realtime tasks such as motion control
[11:09] <DoctorD90> i will "easly" read gyro/accell/3axis output, and manage speed of fans...
[11:09] <RoBo_V> RPi battery back & charger : http://www.aliexpress.com/item/1Pcs-5V-Micro-USB-1A-1000mA-Lithium-Battery-Charging-Board-Charger-Module-Brand-New/1447947500.html and 3.7V lipo x2 , what else I need ?
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[11:09] <DoctorD90> ah ok, i have understand to write an eeprom or something similat xD ah ok
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[11:09] <Triffid_Hunter> DoctorD90: the RPi is poor at the hard realtime task of generating suitable control signals for the ESCs that convert a control signal into actual motor control electrical
[11:10] <Triffid_Hunter> DoctorD90: eeprom? lol, those are so '90s. everything has flash memory these days
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[11:10] <DoctorD90> >,> yes...flash, eeprom...i would mean that stuff :P
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[11:11] * Tenebrous will be programming his Teensy later to do some keyboard mapping
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[11:12] <DoctorD90> ESC....i remember this word.....what it stand for?
[11:13] <[Saint]> Electronic Speed Controller
[11:14] <DoctorD90> uh.....i remember something like that....it has to be in some bookmarks....
[11:14] <DoctorD90> i have also findout a board that linked to gpio allow to connect up 16 devices....
[11:14] <DoctorD90> (motors)
[11:15] <DoctorD90> and buffer itself speed, instead to ask each time speed of motors to rpi
[11:15] <DoctorD90> i thougth to use it
[11:16] <[Saint]> that sounds failure prone.
[11:17] <[Saint]> but I may be misinterpreting your intention.
[11:22] <DoctorD90> ??? why [Saint] ?
[11:22] <DoctorD90> is a board that buffer rpi command, and continously send to motors
[11:23] <DoctorD90> instead to overload pins of rpi sending X command to X devices, rpi send only first command foreach device, then, this board, store "speed" and send it to motors
[11:24] <DoctorD90> untill next new data from rpi...
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[11:28] <amigojapan> DoctorD90: depending on what you want to make, servos may be good, otherwise, maybe use an h-bridge?
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[11:31] <DoctorD90> amigojapan: motors are the only ? of my project. because dc.motor, i remember that i have to use H-bridge...and this could stress gpio.stepped, gives me a little feedback if i rember well. the blsd are different...i mean....the only stuff that i still dont know how to is.motors :P
[11:31] <DoctorD90> each one has its pro/bad stuff :P
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[11:37] <DoctorD90> im only thinking, that as [Saint] said.....once i will get rpi, i will learn c xD my phone cant help me to do this, but with a rpi i can :P ....saying this, i go on beach! good day!
[11:38] <[Saint]> If its an Android phone, and you're rooted, you might be surprised what its capable of.
[11:38] <[Saint]> I have a full debian install on mine... ;)
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[11:39] <[Saint]> debian chroot install, Android VNC client, ...boom, mobile debian.
[11:40] <[Saint]> (combine that with a Chromecast and you've got a take anywhere pocket sized debian system that will cast to any bigscreen TV with a USB port)
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[12:12] <bawig1> /join ##ta
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[12:27] <RahulAN> Hi all
[12:27] <RahulAN> help me with i2c
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[12:34] <RahulAN> any one here?
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[12:43] <gordonDrogon> RahulAN, what do you want to do with I2C ?
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[12:47] <RahulAN> i have 0x98 address in datasheet but it is showing 0x4c here
[12:48] <RahulAN> and it is not reading any thing
[12:48] <RahulAN> by i2cget
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[12:49] <RahulAN> gordonDrogon, it is a mems sensor
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[13:08] <gordonDrogon> ah right. I think you mentioned this a few days ago.
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[13:09] <gordonDrogon> 0x4C is correct and 0x98 is also correct. Shift 0x98 >> by 1 bit and you get 0x$c.
[13:09] <gordonDrogon> 0x4C
[13:09] <gordonDrogon> so you use 0x4C in your code to access it.
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[13:10] <gordonDrogon> The bottom bit of an I2C address specifies a read or write operation.
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[13:51] <Getty> i get _NUTS_, trying since yesterday to bring this Clutter (CLOG) application to display on the HDMI
[13:52] <Getty> today my plan is trying to checkup what of /opt/vc is not compiled into the stuff i use, but in general i am pretty clueless here, the hints you find on the web are ..... low (like all keywords together makes 5 hits on google)
[13:53] <MY123> Getty: Wayland EGL ?
[13:53] <Getty> no wayland.... i mean, i dont even know specific what wayland is ;) saw it in the context several time, remembering it was like some new kind of X or something
[13:54] <Getty> but in general we talk about plain plain plain here, it works with X, i can ssh to it, start the App and i see it via remote X on my screen
[13:54] <Getty> the problem is really specific the HDMI.... i try to achieve it without any X for lowest thing (i dont need input at all its kiosk mode concept)
[13:55] <MY123> Getty: Clutter on Wayland is hardware-accelerated.
[13:56] <Getty> ok! good so i WANT wayland?
[13:56] <Getty> how do i get it? :)
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[14:01] <MY123> Getty: first step : http://lists.freedesktop.org/archives/wayland-devel/2013-November/012301.html
[14:01] <Getty> so raspbian wayland i cant use? i must compile own?
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[14:02] <Getty> one day i get a huge rage about raspbian including libs that actually never work on that system...... that is not the sense of a distribution
[14:03] <Getty> MY123: that post is not really helping i mean even the answer is saying "we package it up, hold tight"
[14:03] <MY123> Getty: Yes. It is not their fault as the patches are not yet mainlined into the userland tree.
[14:04] <shiftplusone> Getty, do you expect one guy to customise thousands of packages and divert from debian?
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[14:05] <shiftplusone> though it doesn't sound like you're after wayland at all, I'll leave you to it.
[14:05] <Getty> shiftplusone: stop stop
[14:05] <Getty> shiftplusone: you miss my point completly
[14:05] <Getty> shiftplusone: why is it _IN_ if its clear known that it doesnt work?
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[14:06] <Getty> shiftplusone: i bet removing a dist is less of a problem, actually i always wondered by raspbian has so many packages but the more i work with it the more i realize .... its a phony! ;)
[14:06] <shiftplusone> because debian philosophy and all that
[14:06] <Getty> hahaha ok
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[14:06] <Getty> thats an argument i can take
[14:06] <Getty> but i will definitly hit someone about this topic, as its a pain in the ass and i dont like pain in the ass
[14:06] <Getty> ok now lets fix it first..... i need to package it up, on 6.9. i want to have a product with that ;)
[14:07] <MY123> Getty: It works for apps, but with software rendering. (Useless but works)
[14:07] <Getty> aquarium control with raspberry, the electronics are actually ON FRONT in the development timeline, which is an awkward feeling ;)
[14:07] <Getty> MY123: mh? -v explain more, i can take some load, i mean i dont want high speed
[14:07] <Getty> if i can fix that later its fine
[14:07] <Getty> i just need to SEE it
[14:08] <Getty> on 6.9. i want to attach a screen to the raspberry pi and show the application running, getting data over the threading from the main task, so its crucial for me to "have the way"
[14:08] <Getty> i dont care that much about the hardware acceleration for now (as in: i wanna be sure i can get it later, but for nwo its fine if it just displays)
[14:09] <MY123> Getty: Install the weston package and run it. run the program with the terminal and say "I like 5fps".
[14:10] <shiftplusone> Just out of curiosity... if you don't need hw acceleration and clutter works in X, what's the problem?
[14:10] <Getty> cant i do that via SSH?
[14:10] <Getty> shiftplusone: i dont want X
[14:10] <Getty> shiftplusone: i wanna see it running without any X
[14:10] <Getty> and via my script started, so "remote" (so via not being on the terminal)
[14:10] <Getty> those are the 2 keypoints i need to see
[14:11] <Getty> else i cant know if my development is surly going the right path, i need to see my limits
[14:11] <MY123> Getty: X :0 & ? Via remote.
[14:11] <Getty> what? no no you mix up things
[14:11] <Getty> those are 2 topics
[14:11] <shiftplusone> Doesn't make sense, but I'm sure you know your requirements better than we do.
[14:11] <anildigital> what is recommended memory card size fo wheezy-raspbian?
[14:11] <Getty> i dont want X.......... AND i need to start it from remote not from terminal
[14:11] <anildigital> I just bought one with 4GB
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[14:12] <Getty> anildigital: if you are me, thats not enough )
[14:12] <shiftplusone> anildigital, 4GB will work with raw images and the netinstall. 8GB is better if you want more room to play around with.
[14:12] <MY123> Getty: Run startx with SSH.
[14:12] <anildigital> Getty: I would be running chromium browser only inside it
[14:12] <Getty> MY123: in worst case i would display it with X for now, but i dont believe that i cant get it run without X
[14:12] <Getty> MY123: starting the X remote is not my problem, i know X and i can solve all of the stuff with X on my own
[14:12] <Getty> MY123: i am specific sitting here to seek help about making it run without X
[14:13] <MY123> Getty: If you want the pain way, try DirectFB or SurfaceFlinger
[14:13] <Getty> MY123: as that lib chaos and the current state are totally confusing me 8-)
[14:13] <shiftplusone> Getty, as you have figured out, not many people need to do that. And nobody who has done it is here right now, so you'll just get people trying to help without actually being helful.
[14:13] <Getty> MY123: yeah!!! tell me how i can trigger that one, i seek that since forever
[14:13] <shiftplusone> *helpful
[14:13] <Getty> MY123: if i take away the DISPLAY of my clutter app i get an error!
[14:13] <Getty> thats my situation
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[14:14] <shiftplusone> for what it's worth, Qt embedded seems to work nicely
[14:14] <Getty> MY123: i dont get it to display _at all_ on the HDMI, no matter what documentation, or stuff i followed
[14:14] <Getty> (beside if i would startup X on it)
[14:15] <Getty> i just want to see it running without X....... 8-) that would lower my pulse drastical
[14:15] <Getty> MY123: wait thats a good idea, i seek now for documentation for directfb not egl or something, that might help things up
[14:15] <MY123> Getty: Recompiling clutter with DirectFB support is needed . Why do you want to avoid X like the plague ?
[14:16] <Getty> MY123: cause its the plague for me, i dont want to have another layer there that annoys the hell out of me
[14:17] <Getty> MY123: so far i have full control of everything pretty direct, i am one task sitting at the hardware that is connected over the GPIO and connected over websocket to the central, and now i want to "directly" control the screen, without requiring to assure the situation around it
[14:17] <Getty> i would have to add a ton of fallback and security things to assure the system is stable, we talk about an endproduct here, it should just run
[14:17] <MY123> Getty: If I follow the same way as you, I would throw Linux for an RTOS .
[14:17] <MY123> :P
[14:17] <Getty> MY123: its on my path, i just have no time to check that up yet
[14:18] <Getty> MY123: right now linux is fine ;)
[14:18] <Getty> MY123: especially on the visual part now i got actually advantages with the powerful libs.... IF THEY WOULD RUN hehe ;)
[14:18] <Getty> i just cant get over the fact that there is now no way to get the clutter app displaying on HDMI without X, without recompiling all
[14:18] <Getty> the chain is a bit long for me, so i really try to avoid that
[14:19] <Getty> i got a lot of stuff linked to the clutter and consequences around, i would get crazy just getting the complete compile chain ready 8-)
[14:19] <Getty> oh wait! i must say, the standard raspberry pi userland sample graphical applications, they worked fine ;)
[14:19] <anildigital> Can someone confirm Raspberry Pi works perfect with Netgear WiFi adapter N150
[14:19] <Getty> impressive low CPU and ram usage i must say
[14:20] <MY123> Getty: With shared libs, you can compile just a part of the world.
[14:20] <MY123> Getty: Try ajtarks OpenVG lib.
[14:20] <Getty> yeah its all doable, but i have at least 2 libs on top that would need to be recompiled with the different clutter in use
[14:21] <Getty> i am a bit limited to the libs i can use, i want to avoid going the C path, but that is a valid option i considered to be "free" in the lib choice
[14:21] <Getty> then i could use a lib that is very raspberry pi optimized
[14:22] <MY123> Getty: Do you know Go ?
[14:22] <Getty> hihi OpenVG is nice
[14:22] <Getty> MY123: i know............................... where is this going to?
[14:22] <Getty> MY123: "I want to keep my existing code form and not switch to C"
[14:23] <Getty> MY123: not "i dont wanna do anything than C" ;)
[14:23] <Getty> MY123: aehm i mean: not "i wanna do anything than C" ;)
[14:23] <MY123> Getty: https://github.com/ajstarks/openvg
[14:24] <MY123> A small lib.
[14:24] <Getty> i was there thats why i said its nice ;) checked the samples
[14:24] <Getty> yeah no...... its still too low, thats just a valid option not a prefered option
[14:24] <Getty> but i really feel that to get the full control here i must compile all that.......
[14:25] <MY123> Getty: If you want no libs, you can write bare-metal GPU code...
[14:25] <Getty> hahaha
[14:25] <Getty> no i am fine with libs
[14:25] <Getty> they just need to work together like i need them
[14:25] <Getty> ;)
[14:27] <MY123> Getty: The docs are public. There is a full OpenGL 2.0 in beta implementation for VC4 in the Mesa Git tree.
[14:27] <Getty> you are still trying to sell me "waste a lot of time developing" ;-)
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[14:28] <MY123> Getty: I have some prebuilt packages for Wine on ARMv6 but not the rest.
[14:29] <Getty> wow wine?
[14:29] <Getty> thats impressive, does it..... work? i mean.... how fast is it? you used original windows libs or cant you use them on ARM then?
[14:30] <MY123> Getty: I recompiled PuTTY and Firefox for Windows in it. Nearly RPi native speed.
[14:31] <Getty> MY123: huehuehue.... cool
[14:32] <Getty> MY123: nice to know :D
[14:32] <Getty> so wait, just to get that straight, primary its about recompiling clutter and cogl with the /opt/vc in, or?
[14:32] <Getty> no wait, stop yeah wayland with that
[14:32] <Getty> right
[14:33] <MY123> Getty: Or Waiting a month and recompile Mesa only.
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[14:33] <Getty> MY123: mesa only was the directfb way, right? or what you mean?
[14:33] <MY123> (Waiting a month for more stability and support)
[14:34] <MY123> Getty: Mesa is full GL and supports X11,Wayland, KMS, DirectFB,..
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[14:35] <Getty> ah ok.... and i need to recompile mesa with the /opt/vc stuff so that it works with raspberry, right?
[14:35] <Getty> (i am so noob on that lib level...... i am actually a windows user as desktop ;) just saying....)
[14:36] <MY123> Getty: Mesa is a 3D lib like the WDDM for Windows. It does not need other things.
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[14:37] <Getty> wait wait wait
[14:37] <Getty> i am still at my clutter app
[14:37] <Getty> leaving clutter is a complete game change and is not on my "near options" list
[14:38] <Getty> i would rather go that wayland and compile way and clutter recompile and stuff, then leaving clutter, i said that several times, thats why i am now asking a bit more about the compile way
[14:39] <MY123> Getty: The mailing list Wayland link has Wayland recompile instructions, hope you have eyes.
[14:39] <Getty> yeah thats why i asked as a check i what i said is the right thing
[14:40] <Getty> as you might have noticed i didnt asked how, i asked for a yes/no if that is the right thing ;) whatever i fizzle it out, sorry to bother you ;)
[14:40] <Getty> the lib relations are my problem (logical, if you never need to care about this normally)
[14:41] <MY123> Getty: Wayland is more complicated thing. If you are a Linux n00b , don't try it or wait an autobuilder to do the work.
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[14:41] <lord4163> Hello
[14:41] <Getty> i am no linux n00b, never said that and never showed a sign for this, why you think that?
[14:41] <Getty> i am a noob with the lib relations of that specific topic, are you aware of all lib relations of all topics on linux? if so, compliment
[14:41] <MY123> lord4163: ICMP PING ACK.
[14:42] <lord4163> MY123: Whot?
[14:43] <lord4163> Getting an error while updating Raspbian, /etc/default locale line 1: unexpected fileending while searching for matching '"' dpkg: error processing install-info (--unpack)
[14:44] <MY123> Getty: A Debian system administrator.
[14:44] <lord4163> Errors found while processing install-info
[14:44] <MY123> lord4163: Wheezy or Jessie ?
[14:44] <lord4163> Wheezy
[14:45] <Getty> MY123: there are still around 20.000 libs on debian ;) are you sure you know them all? :D
[14:46] <Getty> btw it seems the weston at least that is on that mailinglist post is already in raspbian
[14:47] <MY123> Getty: Always have the debian search in a dedicated tablet. It is sadly not in the main tree yet.
[14:49] <MY123> Obviously, does not know everything but just 700 libs(the most commonly used ones.
[14:49] <Getty> yeah see, and i just hit the fan here with those libs thats why i ask about them and it gets pretty annoying if you get "standard tipps" all the time, if its just about some chaos situation right now
[14:50] <Getty> so as said, mailinglist thing is actually what i already have by default, and weston-launch already doesnt start, which is pretty bad ;) as it should fallback to X if i understand right
[14:50] <Getty> i mean i get that i might need to recompile that all if i want to get another lib using it, but weston itself should run, or? ;)
[14:52] <lord4163> MY123: Any idea?
[14:54] <MY123> lord4163: Did you have a power cut or unplugging a pi before running "telinit 0" before ?
[14:54] <lord4163> MY123: I don't know, maybe but have an UPS now
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[14:55] <lord4163> MY123: What's telinit?
[14:56] <MY123> lord4163: I may paste the man file or say RTFM. :-)
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[14:57] <lord4163> Stupid raspberry pi, unstable as hell.
[14:58] <MY123> lord4163: Do you have a MICBNARM power supply (Made In China By Not A Reputable Manufacturer) ?
[14:59] <lord4163> MY123: From RS
[15:00] <MY123> lord4163: SD card ?
[15:00] <MY123> Do you overclock ?
[15:00] <lord4163> Kingston 32GB EXTREME thing
[15:00] <lord4163> no overclock
[15:01] <lord4163> MY123: but before I had the UPS I had to reflash after each power cut, seems like a very bad SD card.
[15:01] <lord4163> MY123: But I must be able to fix this issue ?
[15:02] <MY123> lord4163: Maybe. Fsck .
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[15:03] <lord4163> I can do that while the system is running?
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[15:03] <lord4163> No I can't haha
[15:03] <MY123> lord4163: You need another Linux PC.
[15:04] <lord4163> All of my PC's run Linux :)
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[15:05] <lord4163> but then I have to shutdown, anyway just fsck /dev/mmblk0p2?
[15:05] <MY123> lord4163: Yes. It may be another thing depending on the brand.
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[15:07] <lord4163> MY123: I can give you the exact type in a while, but my bouncer is running on the device ;p
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[15:08] <MY123> lord4163: I recommend using a good SD card . Soldered mine to the Pi.
[15:08] <MY123> You can unplug it without problems.
[15:08] <lord4163> SOLDERED? 0.o
[15:10] <MY123> lord4163: My card was half a card full inside and the rest is plastic. Just soldered the first part.
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[15:12] <lord4163> right O.O
[15:13] <lord4163> sudo poweroff
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[15:25] <lord4163> MY123: That was clean
[15:27] <lord4163> MY123: Any more tips?
[15:28] <MY123> lord4163: Saving and reimaging with NOOBS to restore more quickly.
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[15:34] <lord4163> MY123: I'll try to debug a little bit more :P
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[15:38] <lord4163> What should be in /detc/default/locale?
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[15:44] <MY123> lord4163: try apt-get --reinstall install locale
[15:44] <anildigital> how to boot into terminal.. I have enabled gui mode of raspbian
[15:44] <anildigital> and want to use terminal to change some settings
[15:45] <lord4163> MY123: It was full of jibberish
[15:45] <lord4163> MY123: Reinstalled install-info now, trying dist-upgrade now :P
[15:45] <anildigital> I am getting 'New install - Openbox syntax error'
[15:45] <anildigital> http://www.raspberrypi.org/forums/viewtopic.php?f=91&t=14577
[15:45] <gordonDrogon> I don't think there is anyting to be gained with dist-upgrade now. Not unless you were pre-wheezy...
[15:45] <anildigital> Anyone know related fix
[15:46] <anildigital> also mouse is not working in GUI mode
[15:46] <lord4163> gordonDrogon: Ofcourse there are updates?
[15:46] <gordonDrogon> sure - lots of updates, but not a ditrisubtion upgrade.
[15:46] <gordonDrogon> so just apt-get update ; apt-get upgrade
[15:47] <gordonDrogon> unless you're moving to jessie, I guess...
[15:47] <lord4163> gordonDrogon: dist-upgrade updates kernel and updates which inntroduce new dependencies....
[15:47] <lord4163> Why don't people understand that command?
[15:48] <gordonDrogon> it's done nothing for me for a very long time in Raspbian.
[15:48] <gordonDrogon> the usual update/upgrade pulls in new kernels.
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[15:49] <neutrino> anildigital: which distribution ?
[15:50] <neutrino> anildigital: ctrl-alt-f2 should take you to tty2 console
[15:50] <shiftplusone> lord4163, eh? just upgrade doesn't touch the kernel?
[15:51] <anildigital> neutrino, keyboard and mouse both not working
[15:51] <lord4163> shiftplusone: NO
[15:51] <anildigital> It boots up saying this error ' I am getting 'New install - Openbox syntax error''
[15:51] <neutrino> how are you powering your pi ?
[15:51] <anildigital> neutrino: to me?
[15:51] <neutrino> ye
[15:51] <anildigital> neutrino: using a power adapter
[15:51] <neutrino> yes
[15:52] <neutrino> is it one of those non standard mobile chargers ?
[15:52] <anildigital> It's powered..
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[15:52] <anildigital> neutrino: I think I have used this mobile charger earlier
[15:52] <neutrino> if there isnt enough power the keyboard and mouse will not work
[15:53] <neutrino> anildigital: and the keyboard and mouse worked earlier on this charger ?
[15:53] <neutrino> if so then that isnt your problem
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[15:54] <neutrino> anildigital: ?
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[15:55] <anildigital> neutrino: I just connected a powered micro usb adapter instead of mobile charger
[15:55] <anildigital> lets see if it works
[15:56] <neutrino> okay
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[15:58] <lord4163> MY123: Woot, it's working :)
[15:58] <anildigital> neutrino: resolved by using usb powered adapter
[15:59] <neutrino> cool
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[16:16] <gordonDrogon> lord4163, I shall carry on in my ignorance them. Happy to watch apt-get update/upgrade pulling new kernels on the Pi. Not sure what you are seeing, but it pulls in new kernels for me.
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[16:24] <faLUCE> hello, can you suggest a good rf transmitter (+ project) that works with raspberry?
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[16:24] <Bilby> faLUCE what kind of payload are you looking to transmit?
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[16:25] <faLUCE> Bilby: 400-500 Mhz
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[16:26] <wcaleb> i'm trying to diagnose wifi connectivity problem; iwconfig shows i'm connected, but pinging Google very spotty, and i can't ssh to pi
[16:26] <Bilby> faLUCE audio / video / serial data / TTY ?
[16:26] <wcaleb> trying to determine whether it's a hardware problem with my wifi USB adapter, or some config problem
[16:26] <wcaleb> any ideas on how to tell?
[16:26] <Bilby> wcaleb offhand that sounds like a hardware problem. are you using it directly in the pi or through a usb hub?
[16:27] <wcaleb> directly in pi
[16:27] <faLUCE> Bilby: on/off signals for a rf controlled power switch http://www.amazon.com/Etekcity-Wireless-Controlled-Electrical-Included/dp/B0087DAW46/ref=pd_sim_sbs_hi_2?ie=UTF8&refRID=09B3ZRRA8X7D3WMBN6MF
[16:28] <lord4163> gordonDrogon: It should not
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[16:28] <wcaleb> Bilby: i'm using the adapter that came packaged with pi starter kit
[16:28] <Bilby> wcaleb Start with the basics, have you tried the adapter in a laptop to ensure it works okay there?
[16:29] <wcaleb> no i haven't; i only have MacBooks, would that still be possible?
[16:29] <Bilby> faLUCE do you have documentation for the protocol already?
[16:29] <faLUCE> Bilby: no, I have to sniff it
[16:29] <faLUCE> Bilby: and I need a tool for sniffing it
[16:30] <Bilby> aha
[16:30] <Bilby> wcaleb it should be
[16:31] <Bilby> wcaleb other than a simple hardware failure i would assume any adapter packaged with a kit would be compatible
[16:31] <faLUCE> Bilby: ok, but this is not a problem, for now. I firstly need to know what's a good rf transmitter project
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[16:34] <Bilby> I would guess something like this from sparkfun might be a good start https://www.sparkfun.com/products/10534
[16:34] <Bilby> they have a bunch of other stuff there too, i would hunt around and see what you can find. communiciation is generally serial which is easy enough
[16:35] <wcaleb> Bilby: it's a Realtek RTL8188CUS
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[16:36] <Bilby> did your pi power source come from the kit too?
[16:36] <wcaleb> Bilby: weirdly, i can ping Google 20 times and get 0% packet loss, and then try five seconds later and get 100% packet loss
[16:36] <gordonDrogon> lord4163, well it does. always has done on the pi. rpi-update is the way to get the latest foundation kernels though AIUI.
[16:36] <wcaleb> Bilby: yes
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[16:37] <Bilby> that sounds like a hostile RF enviroment. are you near your AP? on a channel that isn't full of crap? any high-powered AP or wireless devices nearby?
[16:37] <Bilby> when you get packet loss, can you still ping your router?
[16:37] <lord4163> gordonDrogon: I don't know about rpi-update, don't know what that is or what it does, I was referring to apt-get.
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[16:39] <faLUCE> Bilby: thanks
[16:39] <wcaleb> Bilby: i'm connecting to a campus wifi network at a university, so can't ping router
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[16:39] <wcaleb> Bilby: even when I successfully ping Google, it often takes have a minute or so
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[16:42] <wcaleb> Bilby: iwconfig shows that link quality is good, though signal level fluctuates
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[16:53] <shiftplusone> Couldn't find anything about apt-get upgrade not pulling in kernel updates. If that 'feature' is documented, then it's well hidden. And by the sounds of it, if it's the intended behaviour, it doesn't work.
[16:54] <Bilby> wcaleb sorry, i was randomly afk :P
[16:55] <Bilby> can you set up a local AP for temporary testing?
[16:57] <wcaleb> Bilby: e.g., create a network from my MacBook and try connecting to that?
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[16:59] <wcaleb_> Bilby: sorry, got disconnected; missed any answers to my last question
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[17:00] <shiftplusone> gordonDrogon, any chance that it's the default behaviour of standard debian? On the pi, it's the raspberrypi-bootloader package, which will update the kernel any time it's updated. On standard debian, maybe only a specific kernel version is installed, then kernel upgrades are introduced as dependencies for one of the base packages? That's the only explanation I can come up with anyway.
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[17:01] <neutrino> i found out about WEB web browser !
[17:01] <neutrino> today !
[17:02] <shiftplusone> have you tried it?
[17:02] <shiftplusone> and I think they're just going to call it epiphany, since web is a little... yeah.
[17:02] <neutrino> nope ... going to ..
[17:02] <neutrino> is the javascript engine running on the gpu ?
[17:03] <shiftplusone> no, highly doubt it
[17:03] <neutrino> oh okay
[17:03] <neutrino> whats acelerated then ?
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[17:04] <shiftplusone> it's not all about 'acceleration', but optimisation. I don't know the internals of it though. IIRC, it uses accelerated webkit engine, but I may be remembering wrong
[17:05] <neutrino> okay ..
[17:05] <shiftplusone> it also uses openmax for html5 video
[17:05] <shiftplusone> and does magic stuff for youtube
[17:05] <shiftplusone> Don't have much interest in it myself until it's released properly
[17:05] <neutrino> i thought if they could rope in the gpu for javascript it might only be some time before some hacker implements node using that engine
[17:06] <shiftplusone> why do you think that would be a good idea?
[17:06] <shiftplusone> the gpu is much slower than the arm for such things
[17:06] <neutrino> server
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[17:07] <neutrino> faster server using the gpu
[17:07] <shiftplusone> it wouldn't be faster at all O_o
[17:07] <neutrino> i thought servers were higly parralisabble
[17:07] <MY123> neutrino: Python runs on the GPU. but NodeJS is sadly not ANSI.
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[17:08] <neutrino> the raspi python runs on gpu ?
[17:08] <shiftplusone> (no)
[17:08] <MY123> neutrino: No, but a freeblob internal build.
[17:08] <MY123> (I'm about to release the start.elf )
[17:09] <neutrino> when ?
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[17:09] <MY123> neutrino: In 6 days as I prepare my bags for the return of holidays, the PC is already there.
[17:10] <neutrino> cool ill try it out
[17:10] <MY123> neutrino: I would also release a version which runs in Linux using the mailbox API.
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[17:15] <neutrino> shiftplusone: non-blocking code would benefit by using gpu right ?
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[17:17] <MY123> neutrino: The problem is intercommunication.
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[17:18] <MY123> (Latency)
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[17:18] <Bilby> sorry wcaleb :(
[17:18] <shiftplusone> neutrino, take a look at some of the highly specialised algorithms that have been ported to the gpu. After a lot of time and effort, you get about 10-15 times faster execution. If you take generic code which which qpus or qpus are not specially designed for, you're just not going to see any improvements.
[17:19] <shiftplusone> *vpus or qpus
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[17:19] <DoctorD90> Triffid_Hunter: hey, what was motor you have suggested me today?? lsbd?
[17:20] <shiftplusone> (and MY123 is 100% right about latency, the mailbox interface doesn't really cut it for such things)
[17:20] <MY123> shiftplusone: The VPU when using the two cores has the same scalar speed as the ARM, in the worst case
[17:20] <neutrino> cool
[17:21] <neutrino> MY123: have you got to the pointwhere the VPU is usable ?
[17:21] <shiftplusone> an example of why the GPU is not always the answer http://www.raspberrypi.org/forums/viewtopic.php?f=63&t=28294
[17:22] <Bilby> darn, i forgot to tell faLUCE it would probably be easier to just hack the transmitter physically :P
[17:22] <MY123> neutrino: The first core using Freeblob and the second core when the blob is running.
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[17:24] <MY123> shiftplusone: simonjhall could run the X server and apps in VPU and live in peace.
[17:25] <shiftplusone> sure, and it would run much worse than it currently does
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[17:27] <MY123> shiftplusone: No. The linpack benchmark is *only* 40percent lower and the VPU have SIMD so finally can be faster, especially when using 2 cores.
[17:27] <neutrino> MY123: the same simonhall who won th 10k bounty to run quake3 ?
[17:27] <MY123> neutrino: Yeah
[17:27] <shiftplusone> don't care about linpack benchmarks, I'm talking about real use.
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[17:29] <MY123> shiftplusone: The same when using a good GPU-side USB stack.
[17:30] <MY123> (My goal is to run uClinux on VC4 and forgetting that the ARM did exist)
[17:31] <shiftplusone> that would be a cool demo and all, but of absolutely no practical use though
[17:31] <shiftplusone> the ARM is just much better suited for it =/
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[17:32] <MY123> shiftplusone: Using the two cores, less true. And I can use the ARM as a coprocessor , like the GPU is used now
[17:34] <MY123> ( I will be porting lighttpd on that thing , just for test)
[17:34] <shiftplusone> that's just ridiculous >_<
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[17:39] <MY123> Anyway, trying to correct the GCC port for VC4.
[17:40] <shiftplusone> Now that's actually useful
[17:41] <MY123> (Currently using the ACK which reminded me of Minix)
[17:44] <MY123> shiftplusone: What is the current compiler used in BCM ( may be MetaWare )?
[17:45] <shiftplusone> Don't ask me these things. You know I can't/won't say anything.
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[17:51] <gordonDrogon> shiftplusone, sorry - been in the garden... on normal debian, the usual apt-get update/upgrade will update the kernel and any initrd associated with it. You don't need a dist-upgrade for that.
[17:54] <shiftplusone> I thought so too. lord4163 sounded really sure and if someone says something with a lot of confidence, it must be true.
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[17:57] <neutrino> usually you need to run dist-upgrade only when packages are held back
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[17:57] <neutrino> i really never learnt why apt did that though .. i used ubuntu a long time ago
[17:58] <neutrino> something to do with packages being removed / replaced with the upgrade iirc
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[18:10] <willmore> The B+ is completely full of awsome.
[18:11] <neutrino> ahhh why so mr willmore ?
[18:13] <willmore> The board layout is way improved over the original B and the electrical issues with that board are fixed. Plus, it's pretty.
[18:14] <benny-> anyone has a B+ next to him, and can check if he can pull out microsd card when its "locked"?
[18:14] <Getty> definitly major step forward
[18:15] <MY123> benny-: You click on it to pull it.
[18:16] <benny-> MY123, i know, but on mine, and someones b+ you can also pull it out without unlocking
[18:16] <benny-> so it's not really locked
[18:16] <benny-> i'm not sure if this is normal
[18:17] <MY123> benny-: On my B , I soldered the SD card, should be possible on the B+.
[18:17] <willmore> benny-, the socket is a push/push type. If you pull it out, you'll break the clickey retaining mechanism.
[18:18] <benny-> willmore, it doesn't need much force to pull it out
[18:18] <willmore> Or, maybe I misunderstand what you mean by 'locked'.
[18:18] <lord4163> shiftplusone: Ah maybe it's different on Debian then, on Ubuntu kernel packages are being held back, and packages which introduces new dependencies you can't upgrade either, then you need dist-upgrade.
[18:18] <benny-> and the push mechanism still works
[18:18] <benny-> i thought the mechanism locks the card, which is not the case here
[18:19] <MY123> benny-: You had destroyed part of the mechanism.
[18:19] <MY123> *a
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[18:20] <benny-> then it wasn't really stable :>
[18:20] <shiftplusone> lord4163, ah, fair enough.
[18:21] <shiftplusone> benny-, it can be pulled out, yes.
[18:21] <benny-> you did just try shiftplusone?
[18:21] <shiftplusone> not just then, but a while back
[18:21] <benny-> ok, thank you :)
[18:22] <shiftplusone> Unless the slot is broken on my pi as well, but it was brand new out of the box
[18:22] <benny-> so i should just add some hot glue to keep it locked
[18:22] <Bilby> hey has anyone worked with epson's video-over-network setup for projectors?
[18:22] <Bilby> whoops, wrong chan
[18:23] <shiftplusone> benny-, eh? there's more than enough friction there to hold the sd card in my pi.
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[18:23] * willmore thinks the best feature of the B+ is C64. ;)
[18:23] <MY123> benny-: <warranty>
[18:24] <benny-> shiftplusone, yea for normal use theres no problem, but i want to use in car. and i'm afraid of vibration :p
[18:24] <Bilby> benny- mine holds in fine to, though sometimes if you jiggle it around it'll cause a lockup or bsod
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[18:24] * Bilby just installed 15 raspi in a school
[18:25] <Bilby> most of them are literally wedged behind a monitor and VESA mount i had to adapt, no case or hard mount. seem to be working fine
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[18:25] <benny-> it's no big problem, pi works fine. just wanted to know, if this is normal
[18:25] <willmore> Bilby, rubberbands make great mounts. :)
[18:25] <benny-> which seems to be
[18:26] <Bilby> haha yeah... we printed a few cases, and tried 2-sided foamcore tape for some
[18:26] <Bilby> eventually realized it didn't really matter \_o_/
[18:27] <benny-> and if the card loses contact at all, i could just solder some microsd adapter to the pi, and put the card in the adapter :>
[18:27] <MY123> Bilby: Be wary of some children which will add a jumper to pin1&2 of the GPIO .
[18:28] <MY123> ($¥¢€øØ£)
[18:29] <willmore> MY123, beware of *all children*.
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[18:30] <MY123> willmore: Some of them throws smartphones to the garden.
[18:30] <MY123> ( == broken screen)
[18:30] <willmore> Not nice.
[18:31] <benny-> -.-
[18:31] <benny-> kids those days...
[18:31] <willmore> Are just like kids any other days. :)
[18:32] <benny-> sure, then the parents which give expensive tech tools to them are the problem now :p
[18:33] <MY123> benny-: The Kurio tablets should had never be created. Locked-down and with Allwinner chips !
[18:34] <Getty> actually where i think about, without the B+ our product would even not be possible, only through putting all the things on one side allowed us the simple integration into our case
[18:35] <willmore> Getty, the B did seem a bit crazy with its connector placement.
[18:35] <Getty> else we would have developed probably an additional month just to use the industrial raspberry to get all the jackets where we want them
[18:35] <MY123> Getty: I plan to release a compute module workstation with an UEFI secure boot in the eMMC.
[18:35] <Getty> now we literally integrate the raspberry as is
[18:36] <Getty> MY123: i hate the raspberry pi workstation thought, but definitly interesting project, just a bit awkward if the computer is smaller as its screen hehe :)
[18:36] <Bilby> MY123 really? why?
[18:36] <willmore> I like the absurdity of a Pi hooked to a 23" 1920x1200 monitor with a full sized keyboard.
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[18:36] <Getty> there should be a monitor with raspberry pi build in
[18:37] <Getty> willmore: hahhahahaa
[18:37] <benny-> or keyboard like the amiga 500 :P
[18:37] <willmore> or that.
[18:37] <Getty> benny: that exist actually
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[18:37] <MY123> Getty: An iMac style cheap system is my thought.
[18:37] <willmore> Anyone with a B+, look at that lone capacitor just below the GPIO header.
[18:37] <benny-> C64^^
[18:38] <willmore> Yep. :) Love it.
[18:38] <willmore> I wonder if that qualifies as an easter egg?
[18:38] <Getty> willmore: hahaha
[18:38] <benny-> think so :)
[18:38] <Getty> willmore: checkup if its logical that this is the number, then its no easter egg
[18:38] <Getty> willmore: if they bend the numbering to get that, then its easter egg ;)
[18:39] <willmore> Getty, I haven't looked at the schematic, but, if you have 64 caps, then you could just mess around with the numbering.
[18:39] <willmore> 'logical' is probably something that could be argued.
[18:39] <MY123> Bilby: As the BIOS doesn't work on AcornRM.
[18:39] <MY123> (and will never be)
[18:39] <Getty> willmore: yeah but if there is one logical reason readable in it, then it could be more random
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[18:40] <Getty> willmore: i doubt they make such "deep intelligent" easter eggs
[18:40] <Getty> ...... just out of experience....
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[18:41] <Bilby> MY123 ahah. Luckily the install i did was in the K-5 wing and as they'd have to remove the monitor from the wall to get to the PI i'm not too worried ;)
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[18:42] <benny-> is there some HQ codec which i can use with pi, without buying mpeg codec?
[18:42] <benny-> which can use gpu for decoding accleration
[18:42] <MY123> Bilby: That UEFI Pi will boot from a DVD and from a HDD.
[18:42] <willmore> Getty, given the amount of thought that went into the B+ (vs the B), then I think it's possible that it's intentional.
[18:42] <MY123> benny-: H264 (MPEG 4)
[18:42] <benny-> this works without buying any codec and gpu?
[18:42] <benny-> that would be great <3
[18:43] <willmore> benny-, yeah, H264 comes with it.
[18:43] <MY123> benny-: Yeah.
[18:43] <Getty> willmore: given the amount of good jokes they made so far............................
[18:43] <benny-> thanks
[18:43] <Getty> willmore: i have a deep hate against their twitter account, or should i call it their minecraft-advertisment channel ;-)
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[18:44] <MY123> Getty: Does not like the Privacy Policy of Twitter.
[18:45] <gordonDrogon> willmore, are you looking at c64 below the GPIO?
[18:46] <willmore> gordonDrogon, yes.
[18:46] <willmore> Found the schematic!
[18:47] <MY123> willmore: I have the full shematic also.
[18:47] <MY123> (V1.0)
[18:47] <gordonDrogon> the schematics online?
[18:47] <MY123> gordonDrogon: The full, not partial.
[18:47] <willmore> http://www.raspberrypi.org/documentation/hardware/raspberrypi/schematics/README.md
[18:48] <willmore> Not full, just connectors. :(
[18:48] <MY123> willmore: Do you want me to give you the full one ?
[18:48] <gordonDrogon> yes, I know the partial one is there - c64 and c65 are power supply decoupling ...
[18:48] <gordonDrogon> MY123, where is the full one?
[18:49] <MY123> gordonDrogon: Was a small leak quickly corriged by e14.
[18:49] <willmore> MY123, if you would, I would appreciate it.
[18:49] <gordonDrogon> Hmmm..
[18:49] <MY123> ( had the time to download it ) it was the 1.0 one, not much diff.
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[18:52] <willmore> MY123, PM me if you would.
[18:52] <gregor2> why is raspberrypi so poupular?
[18:52] <gordonDrogon> diff from the B?
[18:52] <gregor2> arnt there more such small computers?
[18:52] <willmore> gregor2, cheap and good enough.
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[18:53] <gordonDrogon> that, and the fact that a lot of people are keen to encourage its use in education.
[18:53] <willmore> I want to figure out what U8 does on the B+.
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[18:55] <gordonDrogon> if you can identify the chip ID if might give a clue.
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[19:01] <willmore> gordonDrogon, it says 53L
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[19:02] <willmore> There is some kind of logo, but it just looks like a circle to me. Probably just an orientation registration mark.
[19:02] <gordonDrogon> well my123 has the schematic - maybe they can tell you...
[19:05] <shiftplusone> eh? are you talking about the fiducial marks?
[19:06] <willmore> shiftplusone, that's probably what it is.
[19:06] <shiftplusone> those are used to align the pick and place machines, but I don't have a pi here with me to see if it's actually marked as anything
[19:06] * willmore never got in the habit of calling them that.
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[19:07] <shiftplusone> http://www.pcbwizards.com/fiducial_locate%5B1%5D.jpg ?
[19:07] <shiftplusone> that sort of thing?
[19:07] <willmore> shiftplusone, I'm pretty sure that's what it is. There is a mark on the silkscreen that matches up with it.
[19:07] <shiftplusone> ah okay
[19:08] <willmore> shiftplusone, yeah, there is an L shape around that corner on the SS and a circle on the chip in that corner.
[19:09] <willmore> So, it's probably not a logo. Which leaves the "53L" as the only meaningful identifier.
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[19:09] <willmore> The chip looks like a TFBGA or similar. 1mmx1mm 8 or 9 solder balls in a 3x3 matrix.
[19:11] <shiftplusone> 1mmx1mm BGA chip? O_o
[19:12] <shiftplusone> Either those are really strange dimensions or you're an American struggling with SI units >.>
[19:12] <willmore> no, it's a tiny little 1mm x 1mm chip with solder bumps on the bottom.
[19:13] <shiftplusone> hm
[19:14] <willmore> http://www.raspberrypi.org/forums/viewtopic.php?f=63&t=81736&p=594425 says that U8 is: ESD5384 HDMI signal protection
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[19:14] <willmore> OnSemi says the case is a WLCSP9.
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[19:16] <willmore> The last page of the data sheet says it is 1.14mm x 1.14mm and the 3x3 grid of balls are on .4mm alignment.
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[19:16] <willmore> Freaking tiny.
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[19:17] <shiftplusone> ah right
[19:17] <shiftplusone> That was my first guess, but I thought it would be strange in a bga package
[19:18] <RoBo_V> guys how top auto start some program at boot ?
[19:19] <willmore> Well, it is a ball grid array. :)
[19:20] <shiftplusone> RoBo_V, eh? are you asking how to auto start or how to stop something from starting?
[19:20] <shiftplusone> not sure if 'top' is supposed to be 'to' or 'stop'
[19:20] <RoBo_V> shiftplusone: Im asking how to auto run some service every time when system boots.
[19:20] <RoBo_V> 'to' sorry
[19:21] <shiftplusone> non-gui, right?
[19:21] <willmore> RoBo_V, raspbian?
[19:21] <RoBo_V> Yes raspbian
[19:21] <shiftplusone> the correct way is using an initrd script. The quick way is /etc/rc.local
[19:21] <RoBo_V> shiftplusone: anything good
[19:23] <willmore> RoBo_V, https://wiki.debian.org/Daemon
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[19:26] <RoBo_V> shiftplusone: scripts listed in /etc/init.d/ or this /etc/rc.local ??
[19:27] <RoBo_V> willmore seems similar to what shiftplusone suggested
[19:27] <shiftplusone> 'initrd' script... wth was I saying? Sorry, rc script.
[19:27] <shiftplusone> yeah, what willmore linked is about the rc scripts.
[19:28] <shiftplusone> though it's more about how to manage them rather than write them
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[19:28] <willmore> A quick google for debian rc script template will be very productive. :)
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[19:29] <shiftplusone> I think there's a skeleton script provided somewhere, but I don't know where it is off the top of my head.
[19:30] <shiftplusone> but yeah, no shortage of information from google.
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[19:34] <Xano> I use my pi for RaspBMC and it worked fine until two days ago. I tried to use it again through my TV today (Pi is always on continuously) and there was no video output. Only the red light is on continuously. The docs say that in this case it is a power issue. I read about the F3 polyfuse, and I’d like to know whether the red light can be on if the fuse is broken.
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[19:35] <Xano> I have already tried multiple power sources and verified that the SD card is still readable.
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[19:35] <ShorTie> if the fuse is blown you get Nothing i believe
[19:36] <ShorTie> and if it is, just let it set 10-15 minutes it will most likely reset it's self
[19:36] <Xano> ShorTie: THanks. That’s what I thought would make sense.
[19:36] <Xano> ShorTie: Yeah, had it disconnected for 5-10 minutes, will try a longer period now
[19:36] <ShorTie> just a red light is a messed up sdcard i think
[19:37] <ShorTie> got another sdcard you can write a fresh image too ??
[19:38] <Xano> ShorTie: Not in the house right now. I could get one from someone else tomorrow and try
[19:38] <ShorTie> or just rewrite that 1
[19:39] <ShorTie> with a new image
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[19:45] <RoBo_V> ok shiftplusone willmore thanks for keywords to start things up in google
[19:45] <RoBo_V> :)
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[19:47] <willmore> RoBo_V, no worries. Help the next person when you can. :)
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[20:07] <Xano> ShorTie: Waiting for 25 minutes did not help. Just received another SD card which I will try
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[20:09] <shiftplusone> Xano, if you have a multimeter, checking the fuse is easy
[20:09] <shiftplusone> the issue is most likely the sd card though
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[20:10] <ShorTie> how you get minicom to start on boot ??
[20:11] * ShorTie goes a googling
[20:11] <Xano> shiftplusone: Wouldn’t all LEDs be completely off if the wuse was broken?
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[20:12] <shiftplusone> Xano, no, not necessarily.
[20:12] <Xano> shiftplusone: Replacement SD card works
[20:12] <DanDare> Xano, I think so. At least for B. Anyway, led should still works if fuse is semi broken
[20:12] <shiftplusone> excellent
[20:12] <Xano> shiftplusone: Well, yes and no. Problem solved, but I still can’t watch my movie now :P
[20:13] <Xano> Is there a way to easily transfer library config from one SD card to another?
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[21:13] <Xano> Tried another card, that worked. I then reinstalled RaspBMC on the old card, which worked too, but the Pi can’t seem to boot from it (same symptoms as before: continuous red light, no other lights)
[21:14] <Xano> So in short: both cards work in my laptop and I successfully installed RaspBMC on both. However, only the new card works when inserted into the Pi.
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[21:15] <Xano> shiftplusone: ShorTie perhaps?
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[21:16] <shiftplusone> Xano, try pressing the card against the contacts with your thumb while power up the pi. Does it begin to boot then?
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[21:17] <maybethistime> maybe the card has been inserted so many times the contacts are worn down?
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[21:18] <Xano> Possibly, although I can’t have inserted it more than two dozen times (it just runs as a media center). Let me open up the case and try
[21:18] <MY123> maybethistime: I solder cards to avoid that.
[21:20] <shiftplusone> which is of course completely unnecessary and ruins the pi. These adapter boards are nice and thick, making good contact http://www.adafruit.com/product/966. Alternatively, the sd card slot can be replaces with a metal one with the same pinout.
[21:21] <shiftplusone> *replaced
[21:22] <MY123> shiftplusone: It was to a Pi with an UPS, a year and a half uptime.
[21:22] <MY123> (7months now)
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[21:25] <Xano> shiftplusone: You were right
[21:26] <Xano> Let’s find a makeshift way to keep the card in properly
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[21:27] <Xano> shiftplusone: I have the Pi in a case to protect against dust and humans
[21:27] <shiftplusone> why?
[21:27] <shiftplusone> I can understand the humans part, but... dust?
[21:27] <MY123> Xano: Also against you ? :-)
[21:27] <Xano> shiftplusone: Because it’s kept in a fairly tight spot and I don’t want to risk anyone to accidentally ram it into the wall
[21:28] <Xano> MY123: Mostly me, probably ;)
[21:28] <Xano> shiftplusone: Oh you don’t want to know how nasty this little corner can get :P
[21:28] <shiftplusone> heh, okay
[21:28] <Xano> It’s not like I keep the Pi in a place where one can easily dust
[21:29] <MY123> Xano: You can first try with some paper.
[21:29] <Xano> ANd I understand dust won’t just damage it, but I like to keep these things clean and safe
[21:29] <Xano> MY123: Yeah, playing with that now
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[21:41] <Xano> Paper & scissors rock!
[21:42] <Xano> Thanks, folks!
[21:42] <shiftplusone> I think it's just called paper, scissors, rock >.>
[21:42] <shiftplusone> Used some arts and crafts to make the card thicker?
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[21:46] <Xano> shiftplusone: yup
[21:46] <Xano> This is one of those things you expect to have to do to some Chinese knock-off
[21:47] <willmore> I was surprised when I saw the SD card socket they picked for the rPi. Seemed like a failure waiting to happen. B+ is much better.
[21:48] <Xano> B+ is mini- or micro-SD?
[21:48] <Xano> But the metal cage should be an improvement
[21:49] <willmore> micro SD.
[21:49] <Xano> I was initially a little worried about the plastic case seeing as the card sticks out so much. It’s never been a problem for me, but it’s one of the weaker points in a design that even a case can’t solve without being too bulky
[21:49] <willmore> yeah, the click/click metal cage is wonderful.
[21:49] <willmore> Plus the little cards are stiffer to start with.
[21:50] <willmore> What bugged me was the way the card was only held down on the sides. With all of the pressure from the contacts, the center flexes out a lot and will only get worse with time.
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[21:50] <Xano> I am secretly hoping for a slightly faster model to come out, as the Pi has some trouble running XBMC smoothly sometimes.
[21:50] <DanDare> splitfest
[21:51] <willmore> A quick fix would be to flue a stiff piece of plastic over the socket just over where the pins are--so the card can't flex.
[21:51] <Xano> willmore: That was my problem exactly. Although the paper I added only presses the card down on the sides, it does so enough to ensure a proper connection.
[21:51] <willmore> glue...
[21:51] <shiftplusone> aye, some people cut plastic cards and stick them over the top
[21:52] <willmore> Consider taking the card out and CN glueing a stiff bridge across the socket--probably don't want to glue the card in. :)
[21:52] <willmore> shiftplusone, ahh, good. I didn't think my hack was unique. Glad to know it's been tried--and supposedly works.
[21:52] <Xano> willmore: CN?
[21:52] <willmore> Superglue?
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[21:52] <Xano> ah
[21:52] <willmore> Sorry, CA.
[21:52] <Xano> Is that a brand or so?
[21:53] * willmore has been talking about teargas recently and got confused.
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[21:53] <Xano> willmore: Gaza or Ferguson?
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[21:53] <willmore> No, CA stands for CyanoAcrylate which is the chemestry the glue is based on.
[21:53] <Xano> gotcha
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[21:54] <willmore> Xano, both. A friend was saying that they're using a gas in Ferguson which would be a warcrime if used in war.
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[21:54] <willmore> But, there are so many different kinds of 'teargas' that it's hard to have a discussion of the topic without being more specific.
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[21:55] <Xano> willmore: There are more obvious clues of ‘war’ in Ferguson than just the teargas. What happened to police colors and uniforms? Those guys look like the bloody military.
[21:55] <willmore> It's like saying 'glue' or 'tape'. There are so many different varieties that you can't argue 'glue vs tape' without talking about which specific kind of each.
[21:55] -tomaw- [Global Notice] Sorry about the noise - it seems one of our hubs had some issues so we've worked around it for now.
[21:55] <Xano> I’m not American, so I was surprised to hear the US military hans their surplus down to local police forces :/
[21:56] <willmore> Xano, as an american, I was still surprised to hear it. Especially what exactly they were handing down.
[21:56] <Xano> ayup
[21:56] <maybethistime> they should make their surplus gear available to everyone, or noone at all
[21:56] <willmore> maybethistime, they used to--at least what of it is legal to have.
[21:56] <Xano> willmore: I am absolutely not surprised they have riots on their hands.
[21:56] <maybethistime> yeah
[21:57] <maybethistime> check out the 'military vehicles' section of ebay motors some time ;)
[21:57] * willmore already spends too much time on eBay...
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[21:58] <Xano> willmore: Funny thing is that the US government told the former Ukrainian government off for doing similar things to Ukrainian protesters eight months ago
[21:58] <willmore> Okay, my B+ at idle with only ethernet plugged in ran for 4:30 on my little '2200 mAh' battery.
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[21:58] <willmore> Xano, I don't know the specifics on what kind of teargas were used in both cases, so I can't say. But, yeah, superficially, it doesn't look good.
[21:59] <Xano> willmore: Regardless, what happened to de-escalation? When did that cease to be a police task?
[21:59] <willmore> That said, the US federal government is not the one doing this. This is a local level government. The State and Federal governments are investigating them and have told them to chill the heck out.
[21:59] <Xano> willmore: True
[22:00] <maybethistime> willmore: http://www.ebay.com/sch/Military-Vehicles-/80765/i.html?_vxp=mtr&_nkw=military+vehicles
[22:00] <willmore> Last I heard, it had been de-escalated. Didn't some state level dude come in and take over and calm everyone down? I haven't listened to the news today.
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[22:00] <Xano> willmore: yup, that happened
[22:01] <Xano> willmore: What I mean is that as police you can’t just barge in, displaying force and barking orders. That’s now how people work.
[22:01] <Xano> If you look like the military, you don’t look like you’re trying to calm the situation down
[22:01] <maybethistime> that seems to have become one of the standard tactics for any medium to large protest
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[22:02] <willmore> maybethistime, most of that is just military versions of civilian vehicles--or silly restoration projects.
[22:02] <willmore> "and how's that been working out for you?"
[22:02] <willmore> Poorly.
[22:02] <maybethistime> once in awhile there's cool stuff there
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[22:03] <Xano> maybethistime: Doesn’t look like it’s the army dumping their surplus, but rather hobby projects or people re-selling the stuff they bought from the army before
[22:03] <maybethistime> right
[22:03] <willmore> Now, find me an M1 tank and we'll talk. :)
[22:03] <Xano> People still use tanks these days? :P
[22:03] <willmore> Do they still use tanks?
[22:03] <maybethistime> :)
[22:03] <willmore> Same thought, Xano.
[22:04] <Xano> Our army just sold those, among many other things that *were* actually useful
[22:04] <willmore> Seems like the armor vs weapon balance has moved out of their favor.
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[22:08] <DanDare> its a tendency http://www.nytimes.com/2014/06/09/us/war-gear-flows-to-police-departments.html
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[22:49] <Helldesk> when you get a tank, you want to use that tank
[22:49] <Helldesk> knock down the front wall of a house instead of knocking
[22:50] <Helldesk> at the door
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[22:51] <maybethistime> http://www.salon.com/2013/07/07/%E2%80%9Cwhy_did_you_shoot_me_i_was_reading_a_book_the_new_warrior_cop_is_out_of_control/
[22:51] <DanDare> makes sense. Then you can say "See, how it's really useful?"
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[22:55] <Tenebrous> willmore: 4h 30 is pretty good!
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[23:14] <Tenebrous> i don't suppose anyone happens to know how to get the Adafruit TFT working when using systemd instead of init.d :S
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[23:21] <beckerben_> is this a good place to post a question about reading the state of a GPIO pin?
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[23:25] <willmore> Tenebrous, nope. I've only done mine manually. I need to figure out how to get it to work on debian.
[23:25] <Tenebrous> that's ok, no worries :)
[23:27] <beckerben_> question, i have a jumper wire connecting a GPIO pin to a breadboard, i use the command "gpio read 0" to read the state and oddly enough, the state changes between 1 and 0 if i issue it every other second, is this normal? i expected a constant state
[23:28] <shiftplusone> beckerben_, if a pin is not connected to either 3.3v or GND, that's normal
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[23:31] <beckerben_> shiftplusone, interesting, i have experimented with a magnetic switch wired to 3.3v and to GPIO18, when it is "closed" i get a consistent 1, but when i disconnect the magnet, the state alternates between 0 and 1, i was expecting to get a consistent 0 in this scenario?
[23:31] <shiftplusone> beckerben_, when the switch is 'off' you get no path to ground, so it's in a floating state
[23:32] <shiftplusone> you need to enable the pull-down resistor
[23:32] <beckerben_> shiftplusone, thank you! i will research how to do that
[23:34] <shiftplusone> np
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[23:35] <shiftplusone> grr... can't access crosstool-ng.org
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[23:41] <shiftplusone> looks like slice is 10k off the kickstarter goal with 39 days to go
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[23:47] <ShadowJK> what is slice?
[23:48] <DanDare> bread?
[23:48] <gordonDrogon> beckerben_, try: gpio mode 0 down
[23:48] * DanDare is hungry
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[23:49] <gordonDrogon> DanDare, http://unicorn.drogon.net/bread3.jpg :-)
[23:49] <gordonDrogon> and on that note, zed time..
[23:50] <DanDare> gordonDrogon, even hungrier now... good night
[23:51] <shiftplusone> ShadowJK, a media player based on the compute module. Started by a few folks from pimoroni, the raspberry pi foundation and some other guy.
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