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IRC Log for 2014-08-17

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[0:08] <beckerben_> shiftplusone, well, i think i understand the concept, now trying to figure out how to make this work with my breadboard, the switch and a 1k ohm resistor...the configuration i had doesn't seem to be working, still has the floating state when the switch is open
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[1:14] <dogmatic69> Hi all, I have a MCP23S17 that I want to use for 8 relays. What is the best option for doing spi with python and CLI without having to duplicate too much code?
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[2:19] <ctcg> Running into an issue where the red light comes on and the act stays dimly lit green. Apparently this means it's not reading the boot disk. It was working perfectly early today and suddenly stopped. Any way for me to see if the flash drive is corrupted? I don't have another one on me at the moment but I do have a macbook air that I can run tests with if needed
[2:21] <ShorTie> sounds like the sdcard needs reflashed to me
[2:21] <ShorTie> i'm guessing a model B ??
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[2:21] <ctcg> Sorry if stupid question but is reflashed different from reformat?
[2:22] <ctcg> I reformatted and reloaded raspbian already with no luck twice
[2:22] <ShorTie> probily need to check it's heart beat at tp1-tp2 for voltage
[2:22] <ctcg> k, just a sec and i'll do that
[2:22] <ShorTie> don't really need to reformat, writing the image does that for ya
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[2:23] <ctcg> ah good to know
[2:23] <ShorTie> got any thing pluged into the usb ??
[2:23] <ctcg> not at the moment
[2:23] <ShorTie> but before ??
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[2:24] <ctcg> I had a wifi dongle plugged in
[2:24] <ctcg> it was working just fine though
[2:24] <ShorTie> how big is your power supply ??
[2:24] <ctcg> I had just finished setting up a static ip for it and was working perfectly then all the sudden I couldn't ssh in, and then I unplugged and repluged adn guess I screwed something up
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[2:25] <ctcg> I'm using an apple 5v 1ma
[2:26] <ctcg> i'm getting 5.06V across tp1-tp2
[2:26] <ShorTie> file corruption most likely happened when you unpluged it
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[2:27] <ctcg> well that is a relief, is it possible I permanetly messed up the card or can it be fixed?
[2:27] <ctcg> i'm not sure what else to do reflash wise
[2:27] <ShorTie> what was on the sdcard ??
[2:28] <ShorTie> noobs, raspbian, ...
[2:29] <ShorTie> i hope you mean 5v 1a and not really 1ma
[2:30] <ShorTie> even 1a may not be enough for pi and wifi
[2:30] <ctcg> yes 1a not 1ma
[2:30] <ShorTie> it will work, but you can get brown outs
[2:31] <ctcg> ok, well the one it came with was 2a, but that's what I was using when this happend
[2:31] <ctcg> I should use that one then I presume
[2:31] <ctcg> also, I had rasbian loaded on it
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[2:32] <ShorTie> so then just download the latest raspbian image and write it to the sdcard
[2:32] <ctcg> I get 5.33 across tp1-tp2 with the other power supply
[2:32] <ctcg> i've already done that twice though
[2:33] <ShorTie> that is to high, you sure your meter is reading right ??
[2:34] <ctcg> yes, it's a very nice Fluke multimeter, i'm sure it's correct
[2:34] <ctcg> so maybe it is fried?
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[2:34] <evil_dan2wik> ShorTie, no, 5.33 volts is fine.
[2:35] <evil_dan2wik> Most USB devices operate up to 5.8 volts max and the Pi has a regulator.
[2:35] <ShorTie> oh really, i thought it was 5 +/- .20
[2:35] <ctcg> I just got this yesterday as a gift from my brother, just hoping I didn't fry it :)
[2:36] <ctcg> I loved working with it earlier, I was able to get a node app up and running on my static ip address no problem, was a breeze
[2:36] <ctcg> just can't figure out the hardware side I guess
[2:36] <Bilby> can you get back into the NOOBS rescue menu?
[2:37] <ShorTie> he does not have noobs on it
[2:37] <ctcg> The card came with noobs on it, I formatted the card and put rasbian on it so I could set it up as a headless web server
[2:37] <Bilby> oh, sorry, saw a question thought it was an answer :P
[2:37] <Bilby> just re-flash the SD?/
[2:37] <ctcg> did twice
[2:37] <Bilby> ah
[2:37] <evil_dan2wik> ctcg, To combat corruption, I moved the whole filesystem onto a USB drive. So far, 12 power failures and no corruption.
[2:37] <Bilby> what are you using to write to the card?
[2:38] <ctcg> im using a card reader
[2:38] <ctcg> worked flawlessly the first time
[2:38] <Bilby> what software?
[2:39] <ctcg> SDFormatter to format and then I used terminal to "sudo dd bs=1m if=2012-07-15-wheezy-raspbian.img of=/dev/rdisk2"
[2:39] <ctcg> obviously i used a latter version
[2:39] <ctcg> that is just an example
[2:40] <Bilby> ah, okay
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[2:40] <taza> ... sdformatter before dd?
[2:40] <Bilby> once you've written to the card can you read it in other systems?
[2:40] <taza> What is even the point?
[2:41] * Bilby uses win7 for management, isn't as familiar with *nix setup
[2:41] <ShorTie> usb drives do seem better at handling power flukes
[2:41] <ctcg> will it boot from a usb card reader?
[2:41] <ctcg> I have one but I believe it requires power
[2:41] <ShorTie> all you need to do to use 1 is dd the image to it and change up config.txt (i think( a touch
[2:42] <taza> ctcg: Is it a Model B?
[2:42] <ShorTie> still gotta have a sdcard, that is where it gets the firmware and kernel from
[2:42] <taza> ... wait, either way
[2:42] <taza> Same problem, not enough juice
[2:43] <taza> ctcg: Your power adapter isn't beefy enough
[2:43] <ctcg> shortie, right I was just wondering if it could be pluggin in via card reader instead of directly in the sd card reader
[2:43] <ctcg> wasn't sure
[2:43] <taza> No.
[2:43] <evil_dan2wik> ctcg, you need an SD card in the Pi for it to boot
[2:43] <taza> SD card in SD card slot to read the BIOS equivalent off of.
[2:43] <ctcg> yes I realize this, as I said, I already had this working perfectly earlier today and then now it just won't boot
[2:44] <evil_dan2wik> but I think it is the fact that the SD card writes things in blocks that the data gets corrupt.
[2:44] <ShorTie> but if your already having power issues, it might make it worse
[2:44] <taza> ctcg: How much external garbage is plugged into the Pi?
[2:44] <evil_dan2wik> ctcg, got a screen plugged in?
[2:44] <taza> ...
[2:44] <ctcg> right not nothing, but when it stopped working it had a wifi dongle
[2:44] <taza> Yeah, that'll do it
[2:44] <ctcg> no, i'm going the headless route
[2:44] <Bilby> even if it went undervolt it should recover
[2:44] <Bilby> do you have another power supply you can try?
[2:44] <evil_dan2wik> ctcg, plug it into a TV and see what it says
[2:45] <taza> That's bad advice.
[2:45] <taza> Need to look at the indicator lights instead.
[2:45] <evil_dan2wik> taza, why?
[2:46] <taza> ctcg: First things first. What happens when you do a new SD card? Does it allow it to boot?
[2:46] <evil_dan2wik> If he can't get a connection to it then he won't know what is wrong.
[2:46] <ctcg> taza, unfortunately I don't have another SD card on me right now. I'll have to grab one tomorrow
[2:46] <taza> ... why not wipe the old one?
[2:46] <ctcg> I have, twic
[2:46] <ctcg> e
[2:46] <evil_dan2wik> ctcg, a full zero?
[2:46] <taza> And what's the result, exactly?
[2:47] <ctcg> the red pwr light comes on and the act light is just barley on but steady, no flashing
[2:47] <taza> Why would a full zero help?
[2:47] <ctcg> I read the docs and it says that means it's not reading the boot
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[2:48] <taza> That's not 100%.
[2:48] <evil_dan2wik> ctcg, and the SD card works in the computer?
[2:48] <ctcg> evil_dan2wik, I am able to read the contents yes
[2:48] <evil_dan2wik> My SD card flashes faintly when I use it lightly.
[2:48] <taza> Able to read the partition table?
[2:48] <evil_dan2wik> SD card act light*
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[2:49] <taza> evil_dan2wik: Sorry for being brusque there, trying to focus my thoughts.
[2:49] <ctcg> taza, how can I do that?
[2:50] <ctcg> also, i'm in the middle of a third try reflashing
[2:50] <ctcg> fingers crossed
[2:50] <evil_dan2wik> ctcg, you are using linux right?
[2:50] <ctcg> i'm on OSX
[2:50] <evil_dan2wik> oh ok
[2:50] <[Saint]> uuugh.
[2:50] <taza> ...
[2:50] <taza> He's trying to flash to a partition instead of the drive?
[2:51] * [Saint] scrolls back
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[2:51] <ctcg> https://www.dropbox.com/s/l52chie13zaopxe/Screenshot%202014-08-16%2020.51.18.png
[2:51] <ctcg> does that look correct?
[2:51] <taza> I mean, he's trying to use a multimeter for this (lol), so.
[2:52] <[Saint]> Lets not be actively demeaning.
[2:52] <[Saint]> You were learning once too.
[2:52] <taza> Nah, never.
[2:52] <ctcg> erm... I was told above to do so...
[2:52] <taza> *siiigh*
[2:52] <ctcg> anyway, here is the result of the dd
[2:52] <ctcg> https://www.dropbox.com/s/5qz1bk8zwwfjyoe/Screenshot%202014-08-16%2020.52.47.png
[2:53] <ctcg> seems correct, anything else I can do to confirm?
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[2:53] * [Saint] has no idea of Mac subtleties (its Linux, but, a "not quite", bastardized form of Linux)
[2:53] <taza> Who asked you to use a multimeter? I can't see it. Unless it's way, way up.
[2:53] <[Saint]> I have no idea if that's writing to a partition or the raw device.
[2:53] <taza> Wait, DOS_FAT_32 Raspi 8.0gb?
[2:54] <ctcg> https://www.dropbox.com/s/h0qlnlglxtbe9bw/Screenshot%202014-08-16%2020.54.05.png
[2:54] <evil_dan2wik> uh...
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[2:54] <[Saint]> taza: ...so? Its a FAT32 formatted volume with a volume name/
[2:54] <evil_dan2wik> yeah, why is your fat32 volume so big?
[2:54] <[Saint]> No biggie.
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[2:54] <taza> Yes biggie.
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[2:54] <[Saint]> Note that this is prior to DD.
[2:54] <[Saint]> So, irrelevant.
[2:55] <taza> ctcg: Get us the latest partition table
[2:55] <taza> A 8gb FAT32 partition? Something's gone awry
[2:55] <[Saint]> Ummm...no.
[2:55] <[Saint]> Its *prior* to dd.
[2:55] <evil_dan2wik> 8gb fat32 partition on a 8.1gb device.
[2:55] <[Saint]> Its getting nuked.
[2:55] <taza> Umm, I'm gonna put you on ignore so.
[2:56] <taza> evil_dan2wik: At which point do you even get a 8gb fat32 partition in the rpi install?
[2:56] <taza> Does anything do that? SDFormatter would do that, but post-dd it should be gone.
[2:56] <evil_dan2wik> no
[2:56] <ctcg> how do I show the partition table?
[2:56] <taza> ctcg: get us the latest partition table
[2:56] <evil_dan2wik> the partition is less than half a gig.
[2:56] <taza> The one with "/dev/disk0" listing is the one
[2:57] <DanDare> taza, if you used dd to mirror a image to SD, do you used entire card like /dev/sdb or do you specified a partition on the card like /dev/sdb1 ?
[2:57] <DanDare> you need to point it to whole card, not particular partitions
[2:57] <taza> DanDare: Please read the discussion you're replying to
[2:57] <evil_dan2wik> DanDare, he uses /dev/rdisk0
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[2:57] <ctcg> Is there a terminal command I can use to display the partition table?
[2:58] <evil_dan2wik> no sorry, /dev/rdisk2
[2:58] <taza> ctcg: Given you just did it in that screenshot, probably
[2:58] <DanDare> oh ok Im sorry. I will leave you alone now (excuse me)
[2:58] <ctcg> https://www.dropbox.com/s/khoqtypvty3dw6l/Screenshot%202014-08-16%2020.58.34.png
[2:58] <taza> Yep, that's it
[2:59] <taza> Now it looks right. It looked SERIOUSLY wrong before the DD
[2:59] <evil_dan2wik> That looks better
[2:59] <evil_dan2wik> It should be bootable now.
[2:59] <ctcg> k one sec and i'll retry
[2:59] <taza> Which means you copied the image to disk2s1 before, instead of disk2.
[2:59] <ctcg> I had just formatted it before
[3:00] <taza> Ah
[3:00] <taza> Well don't use SDFormatter here
[3:00] <taza> SDFormatter doesn't help you with Raspi installs.
[3:00] <taza> It does nothing but harm.
[3:00] <ctcg> ah, good to know. It was in one of the tutorials I looked up
[3:00] <taza> Well, you now know it's a bad tutorial.
[3:01] <ctcg> true
[3:01] <ctcg> well unfortunatley same problem, not booting
[3:01] <taza> Which lights do you get?
[3:01] <taza> And does it have an internet connection?
[3:01] <ctcg> PWR is on and ACT is just every so faint green
[3:01] <ctcg> I can snap a pic if you'd like
[3:01] <DanDare> Ok, better now
[3:02] <Boscop> how to compile a driver for armv6l when only these folders are available: arm64 cris ia64 microblaze parisc sh unicore32 alpha avr32 frv m32r mips powerpc sparc x86 arc blackfin h8300 m68k mn10300 s390 tile xtensa arm c6x hexagon metag openrisc score um
[3:02] <taza> Boscop: Which OS?
[3:02] <Boscop> raspbian
[3:02] <DanDare> Boscop, the brother printer ?
[3:03] <Boscop> DanDare: ?
[3:03] <taza> Don't you mean debian?
[3:03] <taza> Or which is the source OS, rather
[3:03] <taza> IIRC ARM might just work, but don't quote me on that.
[3:03] <DanDare> Boscop, nah, nvm. Just mixed nicks from memory, sorry
[3:04] <Boscop> taza: so just rename arm to armv6l and retry?
[3:04] <taza> ~might work~
[3:04] <evil_dan2wik> no.
[3:04] <Boscop> evil_dan2wik: do what instead?
[3:04] <taza> But you're better off asking someone who actually knows.
[3:04] <Boscop> taza: i'm trying to find one
[3:05] <evil_dan2wik> don't rename it.
[3:05] <[Saint]> that's what he tried to do.
[3:05] <[Saint]> you answered instead. ;)
[3:05] <evil_dan2wik> but the arm folder is what contains it.
[3:05] <Boscop> evil_dan2wik: symbolic link instead?
[3:05] <taza> ctcg: I'd honestly go with throwing on the TV by now.
[3:05] <Boscop> or edit the build script?
[3:05] <evil_dan2wik> Boscop, no, compile it for arm
[3:05] <taza> ctcg: You might want to see if the partition has been resized post-boot, though.
[3:06] <ctcg> k, lemme check and then i'll throw on the tv
[3:06] <evil_dan2wik> ctcg, would it be possible to connect the Pi to the TV, so see if anything is working.
[3:06] <taza> Because without USB devices, with ethernet hooked up, it should Just Work with the SD card working.
[3:07] <ctcg> cool, just a sec
[3:08] <ctcg> partition didn't resize post-boot, plugging into tv now
[3:08] <taza> The installer should be doing that first thing.
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[3:09] <taza> Well, as long as it has internet access anyway
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[3:13] <ctcg> no luck
[3:13] <ctcg> nothing on the screen
[3:13] <taza> What'
[3:13] <taza> What's the SD card brand?
[3:13] <taza> Also, which Raspbian image is that? The one from the Foundation?
[3:14] <ctcg> this is the kit I got http://www.amazon.com/Raspberry-Ultimate-Includes-Essential-Accessories/dp/B00CXACPN0 i'm using that card
[3:14] <ctcg> I'm using the latest raspbian image from here http://www.raspberrypi.org/downloads/
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[3:14] <taza> Try the NOOBS image. Hmm.
[3:14] <taza> ... sure are essential accessories.
[3:15] <taza> That kit looks like garbage, so I'd expect anything coming with it to be garbage.
[3:16] <[Saint]> marketing, yo.
[3:16] <[Saint]> "for raspberrypi" means you can add a ~300% markup to everything.
[3:16] <[Saint]> ...and, people buy it. )-o
[3:16] <ctcg> was a gift, i'm not complaining
[3:16] <taza> I mean, cheap garbage SD cards have been known to break as soon as you breathe at them
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[3:16] <taza> And I really go for Kingston. (Transcend and Sandisk are also good.)
[3:16] <ctcg> well hopefully it's just the card
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[3:17] <taza> Also, selling the original B as a kit without a powered hub? Ew.
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[3:17] <[Saint]> taza: there's a LOT of fake SanDisk cards out there.
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[3:17] <[Saint]> Kingston too.
[3:17] <[Saint]> Its a minefield.
[3:17] <[Saint]> If its a respected name, people will try and sell clones of it.
[3:18] <taza> And a heatsink? For the Pi? What.
[3:18] <[Saint]> SanDisk gets picked on very hard by counterfeiters.
[3:18] <ctcg> is this a reasonable purchase? http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=9SIA12K1T68611&cm_re=sd_card-_-20-134-482-_-Product
[3:18] <taza> It'll work. Like garbage, but it'll work.
[3:18] <taza> I get the same thing except Class 10
[3:19] <[Saint]> Class rating is largely meaningless.
[3:19] <[Saint]> Class 10 != "fast".
[3:19] <taza> Also, buy from NewEgg directly.
[3:19] <[Saint]> That's measured with bulk contiguous transfer the likes of which the pi will almost certainly never see.
[3:19] <taza> But yeah, that Class 4 card WILL work reliably, it'll just be slower.
[3:20] <[Saint]> ...maybe.
[3:20] <[Saint]> Its entirely possible for a Clas 4 to outperform a Class 10 in this use case.
[3:20] <taza> Between "3C Expert" and "Newegg" for that card there's 40cents of difference, and one of them is a very reputable brand.
[3:20] <[Saint]> The Class rating alone is a poor metric for measure.
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[3:21] <plugwash> iirc kingston cards are pretty slow in the type of usecase you would see on a Pi
[3:21] <plugwash> AIUI samsung and sandisk are the go-to brands but make sure you buy them from a major vendor as there are a lot of fakes in circulation
[3:22] <[Saint]> and how.
[3:22] <[Saint]> but, in saying that, even the big vendors get bitten with fakes occasionally.
[3:22] <[Saint]> its truly a minefield.
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[3:22] <taza> I go for Kingston because I make sure to get from reliable vendors, and authentic Kingston cards are extremely reliable.
[3:23] <taza> I know Samsung at least does sometimes faster, but their worst case scenario is slower.
[3:23] <DanDare> a unfair minefield it seems
[3:23] <DanDare> I mean, very unfair
[3:24] <evil_dan2wik> ctcg, the SD card is the problem.
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[3:25] <taza> Yeah, it's overwhelmingly likely the SD card just gave up by now.
[3:25] <evil_dan2wik> It looks like the interface that the SD card uses to talk to the PC is working fine
[3:25] <evil_dan2wik> But the interface that is uses to talk to the Pi is busted.
[3:25] <[Saint]> whoah...the comments on that auction.
[3:26] <taza> That, or it has a critical section broken.
[3:26] <taza> Verifying the image back might reveal surprises.
[3:26] <[Saint]> all the lowest reviews complain about the sdcard being bull.
[3:26] <[Saint]> heh.
[3:26] <ctcg> cool, well i'm torrenting noobs now, i'll try that and if no luck i'll just buy a new card
[3:26] <taza> Also consider a high-quality power supply and powered hub
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[3:27] <evil_dan2wik> taza, the SD card uses a couple of different protocols.
[3:27] <ShorTie> and good quality micro usb cables
[3:27] <ctcg> is the apple 5V 1a one good enough?
[3:27] <taza> The Apple 1A will power the Pi itself... mostly. But not really any devices plugged into it, apart from a mouse/keyboard.
[3:27] <taza> The wifi dongle? You want a powered hub. Or just use an ethernet cable.
[3:28] <ctcg> ah, have any suggestions on a powered hub?
[3:28] <taza> ... the forums are a better source
[3:28] <evil_dan2wik> The wifi will be fine.
[3:28] <taza> The one I have is no longer available.
[3:28] <evil_dan2wik> unless you need to use more USB devices.
[3:28] <taza> evil_dan2wik: Not all wifi dongles are fine powering directly from the original B.
[3:28] <[Saint]> evil_dan2wik: I wouldn't say that.
[3:28] <taza> B+ sure, but not B.
[3:28] <evil_dan2wik> taza, this one is.
[3:28] <[Saint]> lots of reviews on this kit say its the same imitation garbage as the sdcard.
[3:29] <evil_dan2wik> [Saint], I have this wifi dongle, in my B right now.
[3:29] <Boscop> what does ?= mean in a makefile?
[3:29] <[Saint]> maybe you have a "real" one.
[3:30] <[Saint]> there's a slew of complains regarding wifi in this kit.
[3:30] <evil_dan2wik> [Saint], It isn't really that powerful, which must be why it runs fine off the port.
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[3:31] <yggdrasil> how do you launch omxplayer from within ssh ? do i have to tell it to output somwhere ?
[3:32] <evil_dan2wik> no, it just needs a screen connected.
[3:32] <yggdrasil> hmm.
[3:32] <evil_dan2wik> and then do omxplayer <file>
[3:32] <yggdrasil> so do i have to even be logged into the console ?
[3:32] <yggdrasil> like the physical console ?
[3:33] <evil_dan2wik> no.
[3:33] <yggdrasil> thats what i thought..
[3:33] <yggdrasil> strange...
[3:33] <yggdrasil> thanks.
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[3:33] <evil_dan2wik> You can be anywhere, omxplayer will broadcast over the top.
[3:33] <yggdrasil> maybe its just atking its time...
[3:34] <knob> Hello everyone :) I am following the instructions in this link. Yet I think I have to format my SD card before starting? Or does dd auto-format? http://www.raspberrypi.org/documentation/installation/installing-images/linux.md
[3:34] <yggdrasil> hmm maybe it just crashed..
[3:34] <knob> I dropped the latest Raspbian image into an SD card as per-the-instructions, yet... the rPi is not booting up.
[3:34] <yggdrasil> did you do it using dd or imaging the sdcard ?
[3:35] <knob> yggdrasil, I used dd
[3:35] <yggdrasil> did you unmount the card before you dd'd it ?
[3:35] <knob> Yes Sir.
[3:35] <yggdrasil> strange..
[3:35] <knob> Thsi is the command I ran: sudo dcfldd bs=4M if=2014-06-20-wheezy-raspbian.zip of=/dev/sdb
[3:35] <yggdrasil> dcfldd ?
[3:35] <knob> The card was as /dev/sdb1
[3:35] <yggdrasil> never heard of that one.
[3:35] <yggdrasil> hmm
[3:35] <knob> yggdrasil, ahh sorry, that was a second time. Previously I used dd
[3:35] <[Saint]> dd should most certainly complain about trying to write to a mounted volume.
[3:35] <yggdrasil> and you did umount /dev/sdb1 ?
[3:36] <yggdrasil> nah it doesnt
[3:36] <yggdrasil> ive done it
[3:36] <knob> Yes. I did sudo umount /dev/sdb1 and confirmed it disappeared via df -h
[3:36] <yggdrasil> dam
[3:36] <yggdrasil> has the pi ever booted ?
[3:36] <knob> I'm missing something, because I tested two rPis with a working SD, and they both booted fine.
[3:36] <knob> Yes
[3:37] <knob> Yet again, I am doing something wrong. I have done this process with two SD cards, and both failed. Yet my "old" SD card, booted both rPis fine all the way to the login prompt
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[3:37] <knob> Sorry for my noobness, yet did I have to format the SD card previous to running dd?
[3:37] <yggdrasil> no
[3:38] <knob> ok
[3:38] <knob> wait... lightbulb
[3:38] <knob> sec
[3:38] <knob> ahh
[3:38] <knob> =)
[3:38] <knob> I love computers. They do what you tell them to do... even if what you told them to do is wrong.
[3:38] <knob> I dropped the .zip
[3:38] <knob> not the .img
[3:38] * [Saint] just tried dd'ing to a mounted volume and got the expected "resource busy" error.
[3:38] <knob> check out my command above (Which I copy/pasted from my history)
[3:38] * [Saint] sahrugs
[3:38] <[Saint]> *shrugs too
[3:39] <knob> You sahrugs, yggdrasil sahrugs, we all sahrugs for some Persian Rugs!
[3:39] <knob> sorry... long day
[3:39] <knob> hah
[3:39] <Boscop> ERROR: Kernel configuration is invalid.
[3:39] <Boscop> include/generated/autoconf.h or include/config/auto.conf are missing.
[3:39] <Boscop> Run 'make oldconfig && make prepare' on kernel src to fix it.
[3:39] <[Saint]> (sorry, just checking I wasn't insane...I knew it should bork on a mounted volume)
[3:40] <knob> Another question: I unmounted the /dev/sdb1 ... yet now, when I plug it back in, my Ubuntu machine (14.04) recognizes the multi-card reader... yet in df -h I don't see /dev/sdb1 I see /home/knob/.Private
[3:40] <knob> How do I re-mount it? Do I go sudo mount /home/knob/.Private ?
[3:42] <[Saint]> to my knowledge, Ubuntu shouldn't be mounting anything there...
[3:42] <[Saint]> is it possible you're mistaken?
[3:42] <knob> Sure thing. I am still a n00b... uber-n00b at that!
[3:42] <knob> Let me double check.
[3:43] <taza> Do just "mount"
[3:43] <taza> And then "fdisk -l"
[3:43] <knob> [Saint], here's the output of my df -h
[3:43] <knob> taza, on my way
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[3:46] <knob> taza, did sudo mount then fdisk -l yet... I still have it under /home/knob/.Private
[3:46] <knob> sorry
[3:46] <knob> no
[3:46] <knob> That's not the SD card.
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[3:46] <knob> The SD card is not coming up at all in df -h
[3:47] <taza> Nor mount, but it's coming up on fdisk -l=
[3:47] <taza> ?
[3:47] <taza> Because that's the expected behavior
[3:47] <ctcg> yep, same result even with noobs installed. gonna order an SD card
[3:47] <taza> ctcg: That SD card you linked, ordered from NewEgg as a seller, will be very reliable at least.
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[3:48] <knob> taza, fdisk -l does show it as /dev/sdb
[3:48] <knob> ahhh
[3:48] <knob> ok
[3:48] <ctcg> good to know, thanks for your help taza. Much appreciated
[3:48] <taza> And is it mounted under "mount"?
[3:48] <knob> Disk /dev/sdb1 doesn't contain a valid partition table.
[3:48] <taza> ... wait, disk /dev/sdb1?
[3:48] <taza> Are you sure it doesn't say /disk/sdb ?
[3:48] <knob> sorry... /dev/sdb
[3:48] <knob> yes
[3:48] <knob> sorry... new to this. Learning that that little "1" is the partition
[3:48] <taza> Well that's your problem.
[3:48] <taza> Now you know how to check for this at least.
[3:49] <knob> What... how...
[3:49] <knob> oh yeah
[3:49] <knob> I wrote this down in my notebook
[3:49] <knob> So, now that I know she sees it at /dev/sdb
[3:49] <taza> Those two commands are VERY useful
[3:49] <knob> can I mount /dev/sdb ?
[3:49] <taza> Not if it doesn't have a partition table... usually.
[3:49] <knob> Or can I just re-run the dd command and drop the .img into /dev/sdb?
[3:49] <taza> Sometimes, yes, but usually not
[3:50] <taza> Is the SD card inserted?
[3:50] <knob> Yeap!
[3:50] <taza> You just do "dd if=/image.file.img of=/dev/sdb bs=1M"
[3:50] <taza> (replace /image.file.img with the path to the image obviously)
[3:50] <knob> Ok... going to unzip the .img... my initial mistake
[3:50] <taza> As root, so.
[3:50] <knob> will report back in couple of minutes
[3:50] <knob> w00t w00t!
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[3:54] <leio> grr, B+ all of a sudden not booting from external USB rootfs
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[3:54] <knob> taza, now it is /dev/sdb read-only file system
[3:54] <knob> Going to see if I can fix it with hdparm
[3:55] <taza> Uh
[3:55] <taza> Check the card for a switch?
[3:55] <knob> Dang... that was it.
[3:56] <taza> Sometimes it's the obvious solution
[3:56] <knob> Now it is copying. (the physical switch, it was off taza )
[3:56] <knob> yarr
[3:56] <knob> =\
[3:56] <knob> haha... ok ok. It's running now
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[4:04] <knob> She is still copying the data over to the SD card... will report back asap
[4:04] <mischief> hi
[4:04] <knob> hello mischief
[4:04] <mischief> i just compiled a u-boot.bin and put it on my rpi, but it's not clear how to use this to PXE boot
[4:05] <mischief> anyone tried this before?
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[4:55] <Cykey> Hi, I'm having issues with WiFi/network on my RPi model A. I can't scp a file across LAN. It just "stalls" (http://pastie.org/9479799)
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[4:55] <Cykey> I updated the kernel, ran apt-get update && upgrade, etc
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[4:56] <Cykey> The CPU load average is extremely low: 0.01, 0.02, 0.05
[4:56] <Cykey> Frankly I'm out of ideas
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[4:57] <Cykey> This is the WiFi dongle, by the way: http://www.linux-hardware-guide.com/ca/2012-10-07-edimax-ew-7811un-wireless-usb-150-mbits-802-11n
[4:57] <Cykey> It has the rtl8192cu chip
[4:59] <DanDare> Cykey, it will be better if you take a look into server's messages/logs errors than just client's ones
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[5:00] <DanDare> Cykey, "stalled" is jut too generic. Im afraid thats insufficient to get know what is really happening
[5:00] <Cykey> There's nothing in the syslog
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[5:01] <Cykey> I'll run scp in verbose mode
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[5:02] <DanDare> Cykey, did you tried /var/log/messages? Its raspbian ?
[5:02] <Cykey> Yeah raspbian
[5:03] <Cykey> Ugh, the pi becomes utterly unusable when I run scp
[5:03] <Cykey> It's like a mini DoS
[5:03] <DanDare> Cykey, you can ssh to pi ?
[5:03] <Cykey> Yes
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[5:03] <DanDare> If you do just 'find' from root folder /, it completes the task or it hangs ?
[5:04] <DanDare> *just a test*
[5:04] <DanDare> I mean, doing it remotely on a ssh session
[5:04] <willmore> Cykey, What do you see in /var/log/auth.log on the far end?
[5:04] <Cykey> DanDare: Hangs
[5:05] <DanDare> Cykey, hangs and it never comes back ?
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[5:05] <Cykey> DanDare: Well, I killed it to try willmore's thing
[5:05] <Cykey> but I can let it run
[5:05] <DanDare> ok
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[5:05] <DanDare> Cykey, what you have on 'unmae -r' ?
[5:05] <willmore> The output of netstat -a might be helpful
[5:05] <Cykey> willmore: Normal stuff: Aug 16 23:05:09 moon sshd[3155]: Accepted publickey for pi from 192.168.1.3 port 54731 ssh2 Aug 16 23:05:09 moon sshd[3155]: pam_unix(sshd:session): session opened for user pi by (uid=0)
[5:05] <DanDare> *uname -r
[5:06] <willmore> "netstat -a"
[5:06] <Cykey> DanDaren: 3.12.26+
[5:06] <willmore> Cykey, okay, so you are connecting properly, at least.
[5:06] <Cykey> willmore: http://pastie.org/9479817
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[5:07] <DanDare> Cykey, it sounds like wifi is reseting. You can try cleaning out /var/logs/messages. run scp ssh or whatever and look there to confirm wifi is reseting all the time
[5:07] <DanDare> various 'associations' 'dissociations' etc.
[5:08] <Cykey> ...aaaanddddd ssh just froze
[5:08] <Cykey> hold on ;P
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[5:10] <willmore> I think DanDare's onto it.
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[5:16] <willmore> Is he dead?
[5:16] <DanDare> lol, maybe... :p
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[5:17] <[Saint]> did he died?
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[5:17] <[Saint]> then who was phone?
[5:17] <Cykey> DanDare: Hm, it's better. I cleared /var/log/messages and disabled gpsd (seems like it was trying to continuously load from a socket that did not exist? hmm). scp does not "stall" anymore, but the speeds are quite bad: 20KB/s
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[5:18] <Cykey> oh. it just stalled again. Gah.
[5:18] <DanDare> Cykey, just to make sure, check messages file again then. It should contain information what happened with the wifi
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[5:19] <Cykey> DanDare: Nope, the last message is this:
[5:19] <Cykey> Aug 16 23:13:22 moon kernel: [ 27.593151] Adding 102396k swap on /var/swap. Priority:-1 extents:1 across:102396k SSFS
[5:20] <willmore> DanDare, is that where debian puts wpa_supplicant errors?
[5:20] <DanDare> nothing like ' wlan0: disassociated' after the initial association?
[5:20] <Cykey> "ls -l" just froze
[5:20] <Cykey> FFFF-
[5:20] <DanDare> :/
[5:23] <DanDare> I had a big time until selecting a wifi dongle that actually works in the firmware/linux/raspberrypi mix
[5:23] <Cykey> The Pi is famously known for its incompatibilities ;P
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[5:24] <DanDare> for my experience: i dont trust anymore super small mini wifi generic chinese brands to work with pi. I may be completely wrong but it was my experience
[5:24] <Boscop> how can i turn on/off the led on the pi cam in my code?
[5:25] <DanDare> *generic unbranded
[5:25] <Cykey> DanDare: It used to work perfectly, that's the thing
[5:25] <DanDare> Cykey, in a regular linux box ?
[5:25] <Cykey> nope, raspberry pi
[5:25] <DanDare> Cykey, Ha! thats important
[5:25] <DanDare> it enforces my thesis
[5:25] <willmore> I hate to say it, Cykey, but, did you try unplugging it and plugging it in again?
[5:25] <Boscop> Cykey: if you find one that works and supports monitor mode / hostapd, pls tell me
[5:26] <DanDare> Cykey, I had also a dongle that worked flawless first 2 days
[5:26] <Boscop> my customer support just gave up on my wifi dongle, said they will refund my money and i can keep the dongle. now i still have to get it to work
[5:26] <DanDare> Cykey, then stop working... Tested 2 cheap ones, for one as example, the antenna output was tied directly to USB ground line
[5:27] <DanDare> I suspect there are more things to worry about than just the chipset
[5:27] <Cykey> willmore: Haha, I'll try that ;P
[5:27] <Cykey> DanDare: Yeah, it's really tough to pick one that "just works"
[5:28] <Cykey> Oddly enough, nothing is added to /var/log/messages when using scp
[5:28] <DanDare> Cykey, on my very small/limited sample universe the result was: 2 cheap unbranded dongles: didnt worked, one worked for 2 days
[5:28] <Cykey> It just stays like this: http://pastie.org/pastes/9479833/text
[5:28] <DanDare> 2 branded dongles: both worked and still working great
[5:28] <Cykey> hehç
[5:28] <Cykey> heh*
[5:29] <DanDare> The first branded one I just borrowed from office, so had to get another
[5:30] <DanDare> I got this TL-WN722N and it works really great
[5:30] <DanDare> *after trying the failing ones :/
[5:30] <willmore> DanDare, I think I have some of those left over from a war walking rig I had set up.
[5:31] <DanDare> willmore, it works OK on pi. Also it can do AP mode (for max of 7 clients though)
[5:31] <willmore> Of course, I haven't put any of my pi on wireless, yet.
[5:31] <willmore> DanDare, does it do monitor mode?
[5:32] <DanDare> willmore, I think so... because it can do AP mode. I guess that to put a wifi module in AP mode it must accept monitor mode (not sure)
[5:32] <willmore> No, that's not true.
[5:33] <willmore> They are three completely separate things.
[5:33] <DanDare> willmore, ok then, so I dont know
[5:33] <[Saint]> Nah, AFAIK, it doesn't.
[5:33] <[Saint]> so, I use two of 'em in my repeater rigs.
[5:33] <DanDare> [Saint], the WN722N thing ?
[5:33] * [Saint] nods
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[5:34] <[Saint]> (well...keeping in mind there's two variants of that model)
[5:34] <[Saint]> {but afaik, neither do monitor mode)
[5:34] <DanDare> true, two HW versions
[5:34] <willmore> I think mine are 721.
[5:34] <yehnan> Hello, I use Raspbian image file 2014-06-20, after 'sudo apt-get install arduino', the Arduino installed is version 1.0.1 However, http://archive.raspbian.org/raspbian/pool/main/a/arduino/ shows there is 1.0.5 How could I get it?
[5:34] <willmore> They are the model with the integral antenna.
[5:34] <[Saint]> ANd its *impossible* to tell which is which.
[5:35] <[Saint]> ...throw out the box? Hahaha...suxx for you.
[5:35] <DanDare> [Saint], yeah... tried it also, no success
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[5:35] * [Saint] made that mistake with 100+ of them.
[5:35] <willmore> Ouch.
[5:35] <DanDare> [Saint], and.. one of the versions doesnt work on pi ?
[5:35] <[Saint]> Had to painstakingly go through each one and check the chipset.
[5:35] <[Saint]> DanDare: no, they both work.
[5:35] <[Saint]> One just requires some slight trickery.
[5:35] <[Saint]> The other works OOTB.
[5:36] <DanDare> lsusb read its ID as 0cf3:9271
[5:36] <[Saint]> they all say that. ;)
[5:36] <DanDare> :(
[5:36] <[Saint]> Yeah. Fun times.
[5:37] <DanDare> why wifi chip manufacturers are so obscure ?
[5:37] <willmore> What kind of trickery?
[5:37] <DanDare> its almost impossible to find even a proper datasheet
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[5:37] <[Saint]> willmore: just blacklisting the default module and pulling in a metapackage.
[5:37] <[Saint]> it may work OOTB on raspbian now, dunno. I'm an Arch man.
[5:38] <willmore> [Saint], oh, you just needed a newer driver?
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[5:38] <DanDare> it? out of the box. you need firmware-atheros and thats
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[5:41] <[Saint]> One of them "just works", the other needs dkms-8188eu package, and blacklisting the rtlwifi module.
[5:41] <[Saint]> I'm guessing you have the "just works" one.
[5:42] <DanDare> I got luck them (fortunately)
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[5:43] <DanDare> [Saint], anyway, the other, after the blacklist fix, it works like the other? (without issues)
[5:43] <[Saint]> it does indeed.
[5:43] <DanDare> nice
[5:43] <[Saint]> Rather hilariously, though, I find these modules to be very sensitive to positioning.
[5:44] <[Saint]> I doubled my throughput moving the pi 30cm to the left of the router. :)
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[5:44] <[Saint]> tiny antennas, very sensitive.
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[5:44] <DanDare> yeah, i made tests also, moving its antenna definitely changes what you see on signal strength
[5:44] <[Saint]> (and, no, there are no physical barriers, I just moved it 30cm to the left)
[5:45] <DanDare> what means it works. some devices you change, do stuff, yet showing same bitrates and signal strength. Like all the info are just BS
[5:46] <willmore> Cykey, any progress?
[5:46] <DanDare> Is OK if I use this device without the attached external antenna? It will hurt it?
[5:46] <willmore> Not likely.
[5:47] <willmore> There is so little power output that you're unlikely to hurt the final amp.
[5:47] <DanDare> I see
[5:47] <willmore> Could happen, but unlikely.
[5:47] <DanDare> like no stationaries?
[5:47] <DanDare> ok.
[5:47] <willmore> It's not recommended, though.
[5:48] <DanDare> I think i will open it to check if it got some internal antenna also
[5:48] <willmore> If it has an external antenna connector, then unlikely.
[5:49] <DanDare> willmore, some clue here https://wikidevi.com/wiki/File:TL-WN722N-front_a.jpg
[5:49] <DanDare> theres a trace there that looks like one
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[5:49] <DanDare> but well, looks just connected to ground anyway
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[5:50] <[Saint]> (keeping in mind the antenna coupler is a heck of a lot larger than the actual antenna in most nona dongles, I'd say you'll be fine)
[5:50] <[Saint]> *nano
[5:50] <DanDare> yeah... i dont trust "nano" wifi anymore :p
[5:51] <[Saint]> Your broadcast range will fall markedly. though.
[5:52] <DanDare> damn, its sunday already... and i forgot to take a shower
[5:52] <DanDare> (yesterday)
[5:52] <DanDare> so, well, lets wait next week
[5:52] <[Saint]> o_o
[5:53] * [Saint] makes an educated guess about there not being a Mr. or Mrs. DanDare
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[5:53] <DanDare> hahahaha
[5:53] <willmore> DanDare, looks like an antenna. Probably used for diversity recieve antenna. Many wifi chipsets have two paths. A main and an Aux. The aux is used for diversity receive and never transmits.
[5:53] <DanDare> willmore, oh, cool info, thank you
[5:53] <willmore> The parts for both antennas appear to be populated, so the other one very well may work.
[5:54] <DanDare> hmm,
[5:55] <willmore> With some chipsets you can commands them to use the other antenna to TX, but they don't do that by themselves.
[5:55] <DanDare> have these 434mhz transceivers sitting around, must take a day and make them work on pi
[5:56] <willmore> I need to do that as well. I want to monitor my temp/humidity sensors and I want to spoof others in the neighborhood.
[5:56] <DanDare> also accelerometer, barometric sensor, all collecting dust already :/
[5:57] <DanDare> willmore, spoof what they are doing on the 434mhz range?
[5:57] <willmore> I'm a ham, so I can TX with way more power on that band than the little Part-15 devices can. I should be able to make the whole neighborhood think it's whatever temp I want to. :)
[5:57] <willmore> Yep.
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[5:58] <willmore> Figure out who else has a temp sensor and figure out what protocol it uses and then spoof it.
[5:58] <DanDare> I think you will get lots of ordinary stuff like electrical gates and so
[5:58] <willmore> How funny would it be to open/close gates randomly? :)
[5:58] <DanDare> ahahhaha
[5:58] <willmore> Should have used crypto, folks.
[5:59] <DanDare> yeah
[5:59] <[Saint]> Even funnier when they cry foul and you point out that they have to accept any outside electrical "interference"
[5:59] <DanDare> that one thing i want to develop (as concept proof)
[5:59] <DanDare> handshakes, data confirmation, integrity etc
[6:00] <[Saint]> "Oh, I'm sorry, do you OWN the RF spectrum? No, right. Shut up."
[6:00] <willmore> [Saint], yeah, I've dealt with that before. "Where is your license? Here's mine."
[6:00] <[Saint]> "I'll open your garage if I want to"
[6:00] <DanDare> 434mhz is cool because is very cheap and readily available
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[6:00] <willmore> 902MHz is way better.
[6:00] <willmore> You can TX up to a watt, there's more spectrum, and antennas are smaller.
[6:01] <DanDare> well, readily available from discrete parts if you got the right vodoo on the coils
[6:02] <willmore> Yeah, I have an RTL dongle and I watch that spectrum from time to time. There is lots of crap all over the place.
[6:02] <DanDare> willmore, how is APRS on the US? Nice coverage?
[6:02] <willmore> Nothing like .5ppm accuracy like good practices call for. :)
[6:02] <willmore> DanDare, yeah, except in the low population western areas of the country, it's great.
[6:03] <DanDare> cool, APRS is amazing
[6:03] <willmore> I haven't used it much in over 7 years.
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[6:03] <[Saint]> ...what of the entire (largely barron) central US?
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[6:04] <willmore> The central US is pretty well populated. Also, to the benefit of RF, it's flat and there are plenty of very tall structures--grain storage elevators--so you can cover 200+km radius areas with one repeater.
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[6:05] <[Saint]> I just find it weird, but I don't have a proper understanding of RF coverage.
[6:05] <DanDare> still, pretty good out from VHF
[6:05] <[Saint]> US has a hard enough time supplying telephony and data to the central regions
[6:06] <[Saint]> In some spots, its still the stoneage there.
[6:06] <willmore> [Saint], I took a course in EM theory in college where the prof started the class off with "By the end of this semester, you should be able to accurately visualize EM fields in your head." He was right.
[6:06] <DanDare> well, bubbles
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[6:07] <willmore> [Saint], there is some truth to what you say, but my parents who live outside of any well populated area in a low population state can still get internet from three different sources. Oh, forgot satallite. Four.
[6:07] <[Saint]> getting internet is one thing.
[6:07] <[Saint]> getting *quality* /usable/ internet, another entirely. ;)
[6:08] <willmore> That's a value judgement. ;)
[6:08] <[Saint]> Granted.
[6:08] <[Saint]> :)
[6:08] <willmore> BTW, he's a ham, too. :)
[6:08] <willmore> Just a tech, though.
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[6:08] <DanDare> hmmm ham, yummy
[6:08] <willmore> I'll get him upgraded some day.
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[6:09] <willmore> Smoked ham is not nice. :P
[6:09] <DanDare> :)
[6:09] <willmore> The B+ is a beautifully designed board. I wish they would publish the full schematic.
[6:10] <DanDare> in very low quantities.. acceptable I guess
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[6:10] * [Saint] wants Wolfson to build a HAT for it.
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[6:11] <DanDare> j/k
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[6:15] <willmore> [Saint], looks like it wouldn't take much to change it. You just need the i2c stuff from P5--which is on the new J8.
[6:16] <[Saint]> It burns me that its *such* a great board, but, Wolson don't seem to be doing anything B+ related.
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[6:16] <[Saint]> That Wolfson board is the sole reason I still have any B/B2 units in the house.
[6:17] <[Saint]> Perhaps Wolfson didn't get the reception they wanted from the maker community.
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[6:18] <[Saint]> Because I find it hard to believe RPF didn't reace out to some of the major manufactures for add-on boards in advance.
[6:18] <[Saint]> *reach
[6:19] <willmore> What do you use it for?
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[6:19] <[Saint]> making the raspi not suck a bunch of ass wrt audio output. ;)
[6:20] <[Saint]> (and trivially getting mic in)
[6:20] <willmore> Isn't the B+ supposed to fix that somewhat?
[6:20] <willmore> Ahh, audio *in*.
[6:20] <willmore> USB. :)
[6:20] <[Saint]> bah.
[6:20] <willmore> :P
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[6:23] <willmore> Most of the analog I/O I use is for things other than audio.
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[7:00] <neutrino> k
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[7:04] <Technicus> HI, does anyone here have experience setting up a RTMP server?
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[7:06] <herro> hello all! is there anyway to prevent a signal from being outputted during setup?
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[7:07] <herro> to elaborate: I have a device that we need to output to, and on a 100ms on/off the device turns a motor. After setup() there seems to be a compile related signal outputted initially
[7:08] <herro> directly after setup the output() is called and the pin is set to LOW. (thouhgt this would work but it did not change)
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[7:25] <RoBo_V> guys how to set default theme of irssi ?
[7:25] <RoBo_V> using debian
[7:26] <[Saint]> http://lmgtfy.com/?q=irssi+set+default+theme
[7:27] <RoBo_V> http://lmgtfy.com/?q=irssi+set+default+theme
[7:28] <RoBo_V> lol sait
[7:28] <RoBo_V> saint
[7:29] <RoBo_V> exit
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[7:35] * [Saint] just REALLY enjoyed "accidentally" scraping his Valiant down the entire length of his offending neighbour's crappy Honda.
[7:35] <[Saint]> Oh? What's that? You won't move your car? I can get out of there "just fine"? Well...if you say so.
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[7:47] * [Saint] wonders how powerful openCV is
[7:47] <[Saint]> ...anyone here worked with it directly?
[7:48] <[Saint]> Given a large enough sample set, do you think I'd be able to tech it the difference between a cat, and a cat w/ prey?
[7:48] <[Saint]> Well...in this instance "prey" is a bit of a relaxed term.
[7:48] <[Saint]> Clothes pegs, bits of paper, leaves...
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[7:50] <[Saint]> My cat door is already RFID controlled (not that this really works, the neighbour cats eventually figured out that they just need to wait for one of my mob to go through first), but now I want to add the additional stipulation that it shouldn't open for any cat that's trying to bring in one of its conquests for me to approve of.
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[7:51] <[Saint]> Not that I don't enjoy the little presents I get, it just gets tiresome with two kittens in the house thinking everything they find is a "kill".
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[7:54] <evil_dan2wik> [Saint], have a small delay and then a horn sound.
[7:56] <[Saint]> I would need some very quick checking to see if anyone following through the door was also approved entry.
[7:56] <[Saint]> because the ones that are allowed to get in often come through in unison.
[7:56] <[Saint]> (I had considered deterrent options)
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[7:57] <[Saint]> At the moment, its pretty dumb. It'll look for an RFID tag, and unlock the latch if it sees one it knows, and then re-lock it only when the door has returned to the closed position.
[7:58] <[Saint]> During the time its open, it doesn't bother checking that anyone that wasn't allowed in came through.
[7:58] <[Saint]> Nor does it bother checking in order to allow anyone through when its already open.
[7:58] * [Saint] is suffering the evils of his on inefficiency
[7:58] <[Saint]> *own
[7:59] <[Saint]> But that is really a secondary problem for now.
[8:00] <[Saint]> The primary issue is cats bringing crap into the house for me to look at and tell them I approve.
[8:00] <[Saint]> (always tell the kitties you approve - even if you don't - they're good kitties)
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[8:32] <shadowsun> Can someone provide me with a little more detail as to why the OTG USB can't enumerate USB 1.1 devices behind a USB 3.0 hub?
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[9:51] <lastnode> sup bros
[9:52] <lastnode> are there any third party camera modules that work with the rpi?
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[9:56] <[Saint]> If there were I would think it pretty hard to beat RPF's pricing.
[9:57] <[Saint]> (with a comparable level of quality)
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[9:58] <lastnode> the rpf one does 1080p?
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[10:04] <[Saint]> Maybe the site itself says something about it, perhaps.
[10:04] <[Saint]> http://www.raspberrypi.org/product/camera-module/
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[12:24] <evil_dan2wik> I have a 5 amp 5.2volt power supply and when I have my phone connected, it says charging but the charge is going down still, the 3G modem on the USB hub disconnects randomly and the 2nd USB drive connected to the Pi keeps resetting.
[12:25] <evil_dan2wik> I measure voltage of 4.8 volts and current draw of 3 amps, how is that happening.
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[12:26] <[Saint]> Some modern phones won't charge on 500mA
[12:28] <[Saint]> The device stating its charging really means closer to "I have external power".
[12:28] <[Saint]> I've yet to see devices consistently get it right when they're powered but consuming more than they draw
[12:28] <[Saint]> They almost always claim they're charging.
[12:28] <[Saint]> Despite actively discharging
[12:31] <evil_dan2wik> [Saint], So, how can I fix this?
[12:31] <[Saint]> A y-cable, or the devices actual charger?
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[12:34] <evil_dan2wik> [Saint], I am using the phone as a camera and SMS unit.
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[12:35] <evil_dan2wik> but the hub still has an extra 5 amps before the power supply is overloaded.
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[12:35] <evil_dan2wik> 2 amps*
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[12:35] <[Saint]> Doesn't quite work that way.
[12:36] <evil_dan2wik> What do you mean?
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[12:36] <[Saint]> My guess is its only getting 500mA and needs more to actively charge when not idle.
[12:36] <[Saint]> Throwing more amps at it won't help.
[12:36] <[Saint]> Its getting all it can from a single port.
[12:37] <evil_dan2wik> well, how can I force more amps into it?
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[12:37] <[Saint]> Y-cable could give you 1A
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[12:37] <[Saint]> Ones data+power, the other just power.
[12:37] <[Saint]> Able to draw from two ports.
[12:38] <[Saint]> Ask google about y-cables.
[12:38] <evil_dan2wik> If I disable airplane mode, the phone starts to discharge.
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[12:39] <evil_dan2wik> I have tested each port and they all go to 2Amps
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[12:40] <evil_dan2wik> I'll try rigging up a Y port
[12:40] <[Saint]> It could of course be its entirely inaccurately reporting charge state. Dunno.
[12:40] <[Saint]> Lots of variables.
[12:41] <[Saint]> I know some of my devices won't charge off 500mA if non-idle.
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[12:41] <gordonDrogon> some phones will deliberately not draw more than 500mA unless they detect a "charger" which (I think) is often indicated with the data lines being shorted together...
[12:42] <[Saint]> Aha. Right. Yes. Deep me.
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[12:42] <[Saint]> *derp
[12:43] <gordonDrogon> it's all a bit hit & miss sometimes though.
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[12:44] <gordonDrogon> I have a cheap tablet that will charge on its usb port, but not charge fast enough when I'm using it... but plug in the separate 2A charger via the 2.5mm jack plug and it charges faster than it depletes when being used - I suspect an economy of circuitry inside there...
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[12:47] <evil_dan2wik> [Saint], it isn't working with the Y cable.
[12:51] <evil_dan2wik> Would It be possible to wire the charge port to bypass the current limiter?
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[13:37] <evil_dan2wik> Will my Pi die?
[13:37] <evil_dan2wik> I just knocked the solid state capacitor off the board
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[13:43] <gordonDrogon> solid state capacitor? Off a B or a B+ ?
[13:43] <gordonDrogon> do you mean the big cylindrical one on the B next to the �USB power input?
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[13:46] <[Saint]> Almost certainly.
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[13:46] <[Saint]> Its positioned in a hilarious place.
[13:47] <[Saint]> People end up using it for leverage.
[13:47] <[Saint]> Be it deliberately or accidentally.
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[14:08] <Auctorel> What happened when you knocked it off? Was it on?
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[14:22] <[Saint]> If it didn't rip out the traces you should be able to just pop it back in.
[14:22] <[Saint]> Respecting polarity of course.
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[14:26] <[Saint]> J
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[14:30] <ExeciN> I am trying X over SSH. I am asked for a password. What is this password? no username is mentioned
[14:31] <SpeedEvil> In general, it will pick up the name of your local user, and try that account
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[14:39] <erry> so i installed ic2-tools but
[14:39] <erry> pi@raspberrypi ~ $ sudo modprobe i2c-dev
[14:39] <erry> FATAL: Module i2c-dev not found.
[14:39] <erry> i unblacklisted it etc
[14:39] <erry> and rebooted
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[14:57] <ExeciN> I have midori displayed on a remote x server over ssh. I can't move the "window" around (more like midori area since this is no real window). My guess is that I need a DE for that. How can I have LXDE over SSH on my remote X server?
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[14:58] <evil_dan2wik> [Saint], I ripped the pins off the bottom of the cap.
[15:00] <evil_dan2wik> I dropped my Pi and the cap came off, the pins are soldered to the board still, but the cap is no longer on the pins.
[15:04] <ExeciN> nevermind. startlxde did the job!
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[15:24] <[Saint]> ExeciN: if all you need is a window manager openbox alone would likely suffice
[15:32] <ExeciN> [Saint]: how can I utilize openbox alone?
[15:33] <shiftplusone> https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/openbox#Standalone
[15:34] <[Saint]> Is there ant reason you're not using vnc?
[15:35] <[Saint]> ...what is this, a reason for ants? Ahem. Seriously though, *any.
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[15:41] <ExeciN> I am trying to keep the CPU/RAM load of the rpi to the minimum
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[15:55] <Tenebrous> i wonder if any linuxy person could help a noob get his auto login working again :/
[15:55] <Tenebrous> i'm using raspbian, just moved to using systemd for init though
[15:56] <Tenebrous> i've edited /etc/systemd/system/getty.target.wants/getty@tty1.service to specify login, but it doesn't do it
[15:56] <Tenebrous> (changing other things in there defintely has an effect though)
[15:56] <Getty> ...
[15:56] <Tenebrous> :D
[15:57] <Tenebrous> behave yourself Getty!
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[15:57] <Getty> pffff, without me, you are nothing, jon snow
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[15:58] <Tenebrous> it's lucky i've seen GoT otherwise i'd be even more clueless over that line as i am normally
[15:58] <nexus6__> hi, is there a way to increase the python performance on my rasp?
[15:58] <shiftplusone> heh
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[17:06] <MuNk`> hopefully someone can help here. I've got a 3.7v 2600mAh Li-Lon Battery in a step-up board to 5v. if i put that into the microUSB socket, it works a treat, if i place the same power directly into the 5v GPIO and a 3.3v into the GPIO, (via a switching mode step down power regulator) it boots so far then resets. i know powering over GPIO aka bypassing the fuses is not recommended.
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[17:08] <shish0r> MuNk, you shouldn't need the 3.3v on the GPIO
[17:09] <shish0r> try with just the 5v connected
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[17:09] <MuNk`> tried that as well
[17:10] <shish0r> if you measure over TP1 and TP2 on the board with a volt meter how close to 5v is it?
[17:10] <MuNk`> where is TP1 and TP2 on the B+?
[17:10] <shish0r> what is the max current rating of the supply
[17:10] <shish0r> oooh, good question, not played with a B+ myself
[17:11] <shiftplusone> I don't think there's tp1 and tp2. There are test pads, but I don't know which ones to measure from off the top of my head
[17:11] <MuNk`> the Li-lon setup im using max is 1amp and at 5v.
[17:13] <shish0r> have you got a capacitor on the output stage of your power supply?
[17:13] <shish0r> might be worth making sure you have something just in case it's a transient power drp causing the issue
[17:14] <MuNk`> hmm. didn't think about that.
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[17:15] <shish0r> have you built the supply circuit yourself or is it on the cheapo pre-packaged PCB jobs?
[17:15] <MuNk`> the step-up, is a cheap pcb job, but on the RPi B model, it works fine for me.
[17:16] <MuNk`> just had a mad thought... im using a old floppy cable for the 40pin gpio.. >.>
[17:17] <shish0r> most of the cheap pcb jobs do have sensible cap on the output stage. Not sure if there is a significantly power profile on the B+ compared the original, but it could be the issue
[17:17] <shish0r> bah, i need to learn to type better english wihtout missing words!
[17:17] <Tenebrous> oh, got it working. good. no idea how.
[17:20] <MuNk`> from what i can tell the B+ uses less mAh. but im starting to think its the cable im using. every now and then it works out of the blue no a problem. if i reset it at all it goes back to having issue. might be somthing pulling to much on inital load.
[17:21] <shish0r> yeah, there is definatley a different between steady state load and peak load. Unless there is a break in your cable though, the actual load carrying capacity should be fine
[17:22] <shish0r> although if it's long there could well be voltage drop
[17:24] <MuNk`> starting to think its the cable im using, gonna look for another to try.
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[19:17] <imuglyandimproud> any way to output LOW on a pin from boot?
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[19:23] <knob> Hey guys... I am running apt-get upgrade and it is getting stuck in the wolfram-engine
[19:23] <knob> It throws an error... any iea what I can do?
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[19:26] <shiftplusone> Not familiar with 'an' error myself. Is there more information than that?
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[19:26] <knob> shiftplusone, hello!! :)
[19:26] <knob> Yes, sorry...
[19:26] <knob> I will pastebin it in a sec... I am running it again to get the text.
[19:26] <shiftplusone> excellent
[19:27] <botnut> anyone doing any gui development on the PI?
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[19:34] <imuglyandimproud> botnut I am
[19:35] <botnut> imuglyandproud - what are you using? glade? or something else
[19:35] <imuglyandimproud> @botnut Qt
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[19:36] <botnut> qt with c?
[19:36] <botnut> imuglyandproud - how does it perform?
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[19:36] <imuglyandimproud> python, it runs well. actually
[19:37] <botnut> interesting
[19:37] <botnut> imuglyandproud - have you ever tried out glade with the pi?
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[19:37] <imuglyandimproud> it can be a little slow in some areas where a few things are being loaded from database to the screen, but in general performs very well
[19:38] <imuglyandimproud> havent tried yet, no
[19:39] <botnut> why did you choose qt?
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[19:47] <imuglyandimproud> gave me the most functionality in combined with the qss for styling
[19:49] <imuglyandimproud> also its well documented
[19:49] <[Saint]> Its a great way to get people to hate you though.
[19:50] <[Saint]> When your 5MB app needs to pull in 500MB of Qt crap to function.
[19:50] <[Saint]> She's definitely not lightweight...that's certain.
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[19:53] <botnut> imuglyandproud - gotcha
[19:53] <botnut> thanks for the info
[19:54] <imuglyandimproud> <[Saint]> could you elaborate on that?
[19:55] <[Saint]> I thought I did...?
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[19:56] <imuglyandimproud> <[Saint]> exactly what extra stuff is being loaded? I have fairly low memory usage when I run my application
[19:57] <[Saint]> I'm not talking about resource usage in particular. More the massive bloated hog that is Qt in general.
[19:57] <botnut> anything around ui usually is bloated
[19:57] <botnut> more so for desktop ui
[19:57] <botnut> not so much for web
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[19:58] <[Saint]> Its a turnoff having to pull all that in to run <app> if you're currently Qt-free
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[19:58] <botnut> saint - so what would you prefer for UI?
[19:58] <botnut> saint - if not QT
[19:58] <botnut> or glade
[20:02] <[Saint]> I fancy SDL
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[20:04] <[Saint]> Bonus with SDL2 is it could all be accelerated on a pi
[20:04] <[Saint]> But I haven't played there.
[20:04] <imuglyandimproud> <[Saint]> have you heard any word on wayland dev at all?
[20:05] <[Saint]> Other than it being a huge circlejerk, no.
[20:06] <imuglyandimproud> lawl, I ran the "experimental" version and it was pretty nifty
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[20:07] <[Saint]> It has potential. But I seriously doubt it'll gain traction.
[20:07] <[Saint]> I'd love to be surprised.
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[20:10] <imuglyandimproud> <[Saint]> development is slow, and thats why I became disinterested in its progress.
[20:11] <willmore> There was a time we had full blown UIs in 8MB or less.
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[20:12] <[Saint]> The community did a wonderful job killing off Wayland/Weston/whatevertheheckyouwannacallthebloodything
[20:13] <[Saint]> Bike shedding at its finest.
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[21:02] <MY123> willmore: Impossible in 2K14 except RiscOS, ...
[21:03] <MY123> (14 years after the 2000 year bug)
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[21:15] <[Saint]> Fortunately RAM is cheap enough that no one cares.
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[21:18] <MY123> [Saint]: But with microcontrollers ...
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[21:49] <imuglyandimproud> anyone know how to prevent an initial signal from being sent from a pin during gpio setup?>
[21:50] <MY123> imuglyandimproud: dt-blob.bin ?
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[21:52] <gordonDrogon> imuglyandimproud, the pins will be in input mode to start with - write a zero to it, then set it to output.
[21:52] <gordonDrogon> that will make it low when output mode is selected.
[21:52] <imuglyandimproud> so output(X, 0) THEN setup as output() ?
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[21:56] <MY123> imuglyandimproud: What GPIO pin are you using ?
[21:57] <imuglyandimproud> 17 in BCM
[21:57] <MY123> ( using the UART ones is not going to work)
[21:58] <imuglyandimproud> my123 those are 14/15 I believe
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[22:04] <MY123> imuglyandimproud: OK. As long as you doesn't use SPI, you are fine .
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[22:07] <MY123> Tor has sometimes low speeds.
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[22:12] <imuglyandimproud> gordonDrogon that solution did not worked, and only resulted in an error
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[22:33] <kill_-9_1> imuglyandimproud: Did you load SPI kernel modu!es ?
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[22:35] <imuglyandimproud> kill_-9_1 should need to, I believe since the issue is after boot and program related more so to the program than the kernel. I also found out isolating a snippet of just GPIO code works but when placed in a larger program does not.
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[22:36] <kill_-9_1> imuglyandimproud: Is your code Free/Libre Open Source software ?
[22:37] <imuglyandimproud> no
[22:38] <kill_-9_1> Sorry, can't help for black boxes.
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[22:39] <imuglyandimproud> kill_-9_1 the phenomenon is weird, really.
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[22:40] <kill_-9_1> imuglyandimproud: There is a complete OSS JTAG bit-banging routine for the Pi (which works well ). I can't see why your smaller program doesn't work fine.
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[22:42] <imuglyandimproud> is there any reason why though the output is receiving an initial signal at beginning of program run?
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[22:43] <kill_-9_1> imuglyandimproud: I don't have your problem so can't say why.
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