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IRC Log for 2014-09-19

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[0:10] <niston> shiftplusone: yup
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[0:11] <niston> http://niston.wordpress.com/2014/09/18/compiling-mono-3-8-0-on-windows/
[0:11] <niston> should anyone care :)
[0:11] <shiftplusone> Nice. Know what the status of the winforms issue is?
[0:11] <niston> nope. haven't looked into GUI at all.
[0:12] <shiftplusone> looks like an interesting blogoblag you've got there.
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[0:12] <niston> whats the winforms issue?
[0:12] <shiftplusone> I don't know, I don't do .net.
[0:12] <niston> I've just seen that there is GTK#
[0:12] <niston> presumably GUI is done with GTK# on mono, but not too sure. just gave a quick glance.
[0:13] <ozzzy> niston, I just use visual studio
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[0:13] <plugwash> shiftplusone, I have seen reports that the winforms issue is fixed in upstream master (or whatever they call their main development branch)
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[0:14] <plugwash> but there is not much I can do to bring that to raspbian until I get either a targetted patch against 3.8 or a new release packaged in debian
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[0:15] <shiftplusone> Yeah, I've seen people claim that they have it working fine, but thought that they might just not know what the issue is.
[0:16] <niston> im not sure what the point of winforms on linux is?
[0:16] <niston> WPF, ok.. but winforms?
[0:17] <plugwash> niston, mono provides a reimplementation of winforms to allow GUI apps developed for windows to be used on linux, unfortunately they see it as deprecated and hence don't see debugging it as a priority
[0:17] <niston> plugwash: I would agree with them.
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[0:18] <niston> its not like you can take any existing app you have and run it under mono
[0:18] <niston> not if its any more complex than a "hello world" app, at least
[0:18] <plugwash> with the version of mono currently in raspbian any app that uses a windows forms edit box crashes on start up. This is suspected but not proven to be caused by incorrect implementation of a corner case in the hard float ABI ("homogenous aggregates")
[0:20] <plugwash> there are reports on the forum that this has been fixed in upstream master but there have been no updates to the bug report to that affect and no information on which commit(s) fixed it has been provided
[0:21] <niston> hmm
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[2:25] <kij__> just got this case http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B00NFTE3II/ref=oh_aui_detailpage_o00_s00?ie=UTF8&psc=1
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[2:27] <kij__> slightly flimsy plastic before you put it together but it works and it looks pretty cool.
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[2:34] <shiftplusone> Good thing he put heatsinks inset in plastic in there. He may have had some of that pesky airflow otherwise.
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[2:35] <shiftplusone> Bah, its 1:30AM already O_o Who thought that was a good idea.
[2:35] <ShorTie> you trying to be late for work again ??
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[2:36] <shiftplusone> I don't think I can be late to work if I stay there till 8PM anyway.
[2:37] <ShorTie> oh, ok
[2:37] <shiftplusone> It's not like I have meetings to attend. Not while Eben is away anyway.
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[3:00] <kij__> i dont know why they included heatsinks. i suspect if the processor was powerful enough and got hot enough to warrant it, it woudl have been included with the pi
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[3:55] <buzzsaw> Has anyone here used the TLC59711 (12 channel 16b pwm api controller) with the raspberry pi before?
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[3:55] <buzzsaw> I found an arduino library for it but? sadly nothing for the pi yet :-(
[3:55] <pksato> be first.
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[3:56] <buzzsaw> I suck at being first :-) I can do software but? I don't understand the datasheet
[3:58] <linwiz> The good news is... You don't have to start from scratch! Just work with porting it until it functions.
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[4:01] <buzzsaw> I guess I could do that :-s
[4:01] <linwiz> It may be outside of your comfort zone, but it could be a while before someone else travels down that road
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[4:03] <buzzsaw> I am building an LED light for my saltwater aquarium and pwm will be nice for dimming the lights
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[4:25] <pksato> buzzsaw use led strip https://learn.adafruit.com/raspberry-pi-spectrum-analyzer-display-on-rgb-led-strip/led-strip-and-rgb-led-software
[4:26] <buzzsaw> pksato I need provide pwm to led drivers
[4:26] <buzzsaw> I am using ldd300/500/700/1000
[4:26] <buzzsaw> they just need to have 5V pwm to drive them.
[4:27] <buzzsaw> I am driving some heavy duty lights :-)
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[4:33] <pksato> buy a small strip and replace rgb led with a high power driver.
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[5:16] <steve_rox> anyone have any sucess with usb device over lan?
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[5:44] <niston> usb device over lan ?
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[7:17] <linuxmint> test
[7:18] <linuxmint> Any tips on setting up a Wi-Fi static IP address? I've tried several /interface configurations, but no luck yet.
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[7:36] <owen_> linuxmint: you normally do it via a mac address
[7:41] <linuxmint> owen_, really? I've always used static IPs, maybe MAC address is better then.
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[7:47] <[Saint]> linuxmint: I usually do it via DHCP reservation
[7:47] <[Saint]> Its /technically/ the same as a static IP, but in reality its really dynamic.
[7:47] <linuxmint> [Saint], well, thanks. Now I'm confused?
[7:47] <[Saint]> It just guarantees the DHCP server will always issue the same address.
[7:48] <zylinx> dhcp res is eaiest
[7:48] <[Saint]> So, it is in theory dynamic, but you always get a known address, so...yeah.
[7:48] <[Saint]> And yes, it is.
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[7:48] <linuxmint> [Saint], hmm, I can see that working, if the Raspberry Pi is difficult for setting up a static IP. Actually, my access to the router is limited, to arrange a reserved DHCP.
[7:48] <linuxmint> zylinx, if you have access to the router.
[7:49] <linuxmint> I only have access to the Raspberry Pi, and not the router configuration.
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[7:50] <linuxmint> Therefore, I've been trying to setup the static IP on the Raspberry Pi, however no success yet. Possibly due to the Wi-Fi network SSID having a space. I've tried 'WiFi name', 'WiFi\ name', "WiFi name" and "Wifi\ name".
[7:51] <[Saint]> The best bit about it is that it requires no on-client configuration.
[7:51] <[Saint]> All the work is done at the router level.
[7:52] <[Saint]> But...this assumes that A: your router has this function (many don't), or B: your router is a real machine
[7:56] <linuxmint> [Saint], yes, I agree and understand. Your point is valid. However, I have no access to the router, so I think a static IP on the Raspberry Pi is the only option.
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[8:04] <neutrino--> linuxmint: are you using raspbian ?
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[8:05] <linuxmint> neutrino--, yes.
[8:05] <neutrino--> hmm has raspbian migrated to systemd yet ?
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[8:06] <neutrino--> never mind using systemd to do it ..
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[8:06] <neutrino--> you can manually ad an ip using ip addr add
[8:09] <linuxmint> neutrino--, yes, I have added the static ip in interfaces, but the wpa_supplicant.conf might be the issue?
[8:09] <linuxmint> neutrino--, or maybe your command is different to configuring interfaces and wpa_supplicant.
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[8:21] <neutrino--> hmm wpa_supplicant is for authenticating to the wireless
[8:21] <neutrino--> dhcpcd is the dhcp client which connects
[8:21] <neutrino--> *gets you the ip
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[8:21] <neutrino--> try man dhcpcd.conf
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[8:34] <linuxmint> neutrino--, thanks, I can't find dhcpcd.conf. I found dhclient.conf in /etc/dhcp?
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[8:35] <gordonDrogon> linuxmint, got the Pi setup? All my Pi's have static IP's (even with wi-fi). it's relatively easy in Raspbian.
[8:36] <linuxmint> gordonDrogon, Static IP on Wi-Fi?
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[8:36] <gordonDrogon> yes.
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[8:37] <linuxmint> gordonDrogon, maybe my trouble is the ssid which has a space, "WiFi name".
[8:37] <gordonDrogon> You need to edit 2 files: 1: /etc/network/interfaces - see http://unicorn.drogon.net/interfaces.wifi.txt for an example, and 2: /etc/wpa_supplicant/wpa_supplicant.conf see http://unicorn.drogon.net/wpa_supplicant.conf
[8:38] <gordonDrogon> the wpa_supplicant file has "'s round the name, but I've never used an AP with a space in its SSID..
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[8:44] <neutrino--> linuxmint: i guess raspbian uses dhclient then
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[8:49] <linuxmint> gordonDrogon, thanks, tried that. Rebooted and tried ping www.google.com and ping freezes. Tried in Midori and page didn't load.
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[8:49] <linuxmint> gordonDrogon, SSID, IP, net mask and gateway are correct.
[8:50] <linuxmint> gordonDrogon, Wi-Fi authentication is different, using WPA2.
[8:50] <gordonDrogon> can you pin your local gateway at all?
[8:51] <gordonDrogon> *ping
[8:51] <linuxmint> gordonDrogon, with your configuration, ping runs, but no output, only a black Teminal. I press Ctrl+c and cursor returns several lines down.
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[8:52] <linuxmint> gordonDrogon, I cannot ping the gateway from the Raspberry Pi or another computer. However can ping www.google.com (when Wi-Fi is connected).
[8:52] <gordonDrogon> sounds like something else is up then. blank lines is not normal at all.
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[8:52] <linuxmint> gordonDrogon, yes, interesting.
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[8:52] <linuxmint> gordonDrogon, ok, I'll investigate the router after the weekend.
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[8:53] <linuxmint> gordonDrogon, Wi-Fi works on DHCP thought.
[8:53] <linuxmint> *though
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[8:56] <linuxmint> Thanks for everyone's help. I'll investigate the router next week.
[8:56] <linuxmint> :-)
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[9:07] <linuxmint> test
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[9:26] <qknight> hi. i've got a revision b sd-card and i want to put this image into my revision b+ PI. but dd didn't work, no boothing, not even a error on the display. the display stays black. anyone an idea?
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[9:41] <RoBo_V> qknight: what you loading into SD card ? raspbian ?
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[9:47] <niston> oh nice
[9:47] <niston> http://www.lcdstore.de/epages/17406888.sf/de_DE/?ObjectPath=/Shops/17406888/Products/LC240240R1
[9:47] <niston> round tfts
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[10:00] <neutrino--> qknight: any specific led glow pattern ?
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[10:00] <Gadgetoid> gordonDrogon, missed your question re security last night!
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[10:14] <gordonDrogon> Gadgetoid, Arr... have a think & let me know. I'm busy this morning with other stuff.
[10:15] <Gadgetoid> gordonDrogon, no problemo! It's bubbling away at the back of my brain!
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[10:55] <evil_dan2wik> I ordered 3 B+ units, 1 with an SD card, they gave me 1 B+ unit, 2 B units and no SD card.
[10:55] <Gadgetoid> evil_dan2wik, Who's "they"?
[10:55] <evil_dan2wik> auspi
[10:55] <ShorTie> bummer
[10:56] <evil_dan2wik> also, what is U8 on the B+ for?
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[10:56] <evil_dan2wik> beside the HDMI port, bare chip.
[10:56] <Gadgetoid> Damn, that's a helluva mess!
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[11:01] <ShorTie> interesting, they want 6 dollars more for the B then the B+
[11:02] <Ikoru> I didn't realise there was a B+ now
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[11:05] <Ikoru> I might buy one at the end of the month
[11:05] <neutrino> buy a what ?
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[11:06] <Ikoru> B+
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[11:16] <gordonDrogon> evil_dan2wik, it's an ESD protection device. designed for hdmi connections.
[11:16] <evil_dan2wik> ok.
[11:16] <evil_dan2wik> and the others didn't have one?
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[11:16] <gordonDrogon> I think they do - let me check..
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[11:17] <gordonDrogon> they have something similar - that chip just puts it all into one chip.
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[11:19] <Gadgetoid> <3 B+, if nothing else it really helps solve the spaghetti wiring problem
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[11:19] <Gadgetoid> Oh and being able to plug a mouse, keyboard and wifi dongle in without a hub is a bonus, too
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[11:21] <ch007m> Hi. i'm searching a power supply for Raspberry Pi B+ which is able to power to external USB disks. Does this one supports that (http://swag.raspberrypi.org/collections/pi-kits/products/raspberry-pi-universal-power-supply) ?
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[11:21] <ch007m> two external USB disks ...
[11:21] <shiftplusone> depends on the maximum current both of them draw
[11:23] <gordonDrogon> ch007m, you have at most 1.2 amps out of the Pi's USB ports. Check the drive specifications for max. current draw.
[11:24] <gordonDrogon> you may also need to enable the high-current outputs too - it's limited to 600mA at boot time.
[11:24] <gordonDrogon> https://projects.drogon.net/testing-setting-the-usb-current-limiter-on-the-raspberry-pi-b/ for some details on that.
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[11:28] <ch007m> Is this model (http://swag.raspberrypi.org/collections/pi-kits/products/raspberry-pi-universal-power-supply equivalent to this http://cpc.farnell.com/stontronics/t5454dv/psu-raspberry-pi-5v-2a-wht-int/dp/SC13462 as this power supply has been used to power 2 USB Disks - Western Digital
[11:28] <ch007m> (http://www.element14.com/community/community/raspberry-pi/raspberry-pi-bplus/blog/2014/07/19/home-network-with-just-the-raspberry-pi-b-and-a-usb-external-hdd#comment-40907) ?
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[11:31] <gordonDrogon> ch007m, it's the same PSU - the official Raspberry Pi one.
[11:31] <ch007m> thx. will order this one ;-)
[11:31] <gordonDrogon> but you really need to read the data sheet for you own drives.
[11:31] <gordonDrogon> unless your drives are identical to those WDC ones.
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[11:52] <evil_dan2wik> so... I have a micro SD card for my B+, it is blank and I have no reader or adapter for a micro, is there any way to get an image on it.?
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[11:52] <ShorTie> not really
[11:53] <evil_dan2wik> dam.
[11:53] <evil_dan2wik> Have to wait until monday then.
[11:54] <neutrino--> evil_dan2wik: there just might be a way
[11:55] <evil_dan2wik> yes?
[11:55] <neutrino--> but very unfeasable way
[11:55] <ShorTie> magical wand maybe
[11:55] <evil_dan2wik> being?
[11:55] <neutrino--> lol no .. bit banging SPI using switches
[11:56] <evil_dan2wik> probably be easier just to try and connect it to another pi.
[11:56] <gordonDrogon> even then...
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[11:57] <SpeedEvil> evil_dan2wik: it's only 8 wires
[11:57] <neutrino--> anyway that method will probably take you longer than next monday ( even if you dont sleep or eat just bit bang with your fingers )
[11:57] <gordonDrogon> unless its a model A - in which case you can boot it via USB which then makes it think it's a mass storage device which you can then dd the image to directly to the SD card - that's how the compute module does it.
[11:57] <SpeedEvil> wait
[11:57] <SpeedEvil> really? cool
[11:57] <evil_dan2wik> ok. what is the difference between the model A and B+?
[11:58] <gordonDrogon> the USB/Ethernet hub is the main one.
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[11:58] <gordonDrogon> that stops the USb port being used in that mode.
[11:58] <neutrino--> the power supply is another
[11:58] <neutrino--> and ofcourse the GPIO
[11:59] <evil_dan2wik> so, why can't boot from USB on the B+?
[11:59] <neutrino--> some initiall stuff has to be run from the sdcard
[12:00] <shiftplusone> because the bootrom looks for the firmware on the sd card
[12:00] <gordonDrogon> evil_dan2wik, the usb hub prevents it running in OTG mode.
[12:00] <evil_dan2wik> ok.
[12:00] <shiftplusone> gordonDrogon, not the question though
[12:00] <shiftplusone> and implementing a usb driver in the bootrom along with an ext4 filesystem driver is a bit too much
[12:01] <shiftplusone> (whereas sd and fat32 is easy and will fit just fine)
[12:01] <gordonDrogon> shiftplusone, I'm under the impression that a model A can be booted the same way the CM can be ...
[12:01] <evil_dan2wik> what about my phone, could I use DD on my phone?
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[12:01] <gordonDrogon> ie. you use a program on a Linux host to send the code to the Pi that then emulates a USB mass storage device which you can then DD to from the same Linux host...
[12:01] <neutrino--> http://hackaday.com/2012/09/24/programming-a-microcontroller-one-bit-at-a-time/
[12:02] <neutrino--> evil_dan2wik: ah yes ... if the busybox on your phone supports it
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[12:03] <neutrino--> you could lookaround for an android image burner app
[12:04] <evil_dan2wik> ok
[12:04] <evil_dan2wik> my phone is rooted btw.
[12:05] <gordonDrogon> a creative way of doing it - if you can get the ~3GB image into your phones internal storage then dd it to the sd card..
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[12:06] <evil_dan2wik> how big is NOOBS?
[12:07] <ppq> i bricked a phone this way once :D
[12:07] <ppq> had to use jtag to fix stuff.. sending large images took ages
[12:08] <evil_dan2wik> my phone has a bootloader recovery thing.
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[12:17] <evil_dan2wik> for noobs, just fat32 and copy the files?
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[12:25] <ShorTie> i believe so
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[12:28] <evil_dan2wik> do the micro SD cards still have the same power loss corruption possibility that normal SD cards have?
[12:29] <neutrino--> yes
[12:29] <ppq> yes
[12:29] <evil_dan2wik> dam
[12:29] <ShorTie> why would they not, it's not a function of the sdcard but of the power ??
[12:30] <Armand> evil_dan2wik: "Backup, backup, backup"
[12:30] <evil_dan2wik> Armand, how?
[12:31] <ShorTie> but the B+ does have a better power circuit to for warn you of potential problems
[12:31] <Armand> NAS, External drive, NFS, take your pick.
[12:31] <evil_dan2wik> I can do NFS since I now have 5 Pis, 4xB, 1xB+
[12:32] <evil_dan2wik> and I have 2 external hard drives.
[12:32] <ShorTie> or just use the sdcard to boot and put everything else on another device
[12:33] <evil_dan2wik> ShorTie, what do you mean another device?
[12:33] <evil_dan2wik> I don't have enough USB storage devices for all the Pis.
[12:33] <Armand> Then get a NAS.. One disk to rule them all!
[12:33] <ShorTie> like a usb stick or hard drive
[12:33] <Armand> ^_^
[12:34] <evil_dan2wik> Can't I use a Pi for a NFS server for the rest?
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[12:34] <ShorTie> but a goood power source is the real solution, other ways are jusr work arounds .. :)~
[12:35] <Armand> evil_dan2wik: Of course you could...
[12:35] <ShorTie> just*
[12:35] <evil_dan2wik> Good power source like what?
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[12:35] <evil_dan2wik> A power board and 5 apple chargers?
[12:36] <ShorTie> a 2+ amp 5v supplies for the pi's plugged into a ups
[12:37] <Armand> I put together a nice solar plant, but I didn't get the fail-over transformer. :/
[12:37] <ShorTie> 1 ups should be able to handle multiple pi's i would think
[12:37] <Armand> Quite likely
[12:37] <evil_dan2wik> My last UPS died and I haven't been bothered to get a new one since I now have all laptops.
[12:38] <Armand> My batteries are taken from UPS units.. I have 5x 12v @7Ah.
[12:38] <ShorTie> most likely just need a battery for it
[12:38] <evil_dan2wik> ShorTie, sparks and fire.
[12:38] <ShorTie> like all batteries, they do have a life span
[12:38] <evil_dan2wik> I know that.
[12:38] <evil_dan2wik> It was on it's 7th set of batteries.
[12:38] <ShorTie> oh, ok, never mind, lol.
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[12:39] <ShorTie> 7th set of batteries, how long did you have it ??
[12:39] <evil_dan2wik> 5 years?
[12:40] <ShorTie> sounds more like you were over drawing it
[12:40] <evil_dan2wik> over drawing it how?
[12:40] <evil_dan2wik> current or over discharge?
[12:40] <ShorTie> damand more power from it then it could easily handle
[12:40] <evil_dan2wik> not really.
[12:41] <evil_dan2wik> It was a 500W UPS, the hardware connected was max 200W
[12:44] <evil_dan2wik> I replaced the batteries every 9 months-ish because they weren't good quality.
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[12:44] <ShorTie> even the original ??
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[12:45] <evil_dan2wik> no, the original was replaced after about 1 and 3 quarter years.
[12:45] <ShorTie> that seems like a short amount of time
[12:46] <evil_dan2wik> recommended replacement time was 1.5years.
[12:47] <ShorTie> ya well, i replace mine when the can not last long enough for the generator to kick in
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[12:47] <ShorTie> which is about 20 seconds
[12:48] <evil_dan2wik> the original batteries were ~60% original capacity, and the other batteries were around 35% capacity when I replaced them.
[12:48] <evil_dan2wik> I too have a generator but most of the power outages in the area last around max 1 minute.
[12:49] <evil_dan2wik> not long enough for it to be worth starting the generator, but long enough to be a power outage.
[12:50] <ShorTie> my gen starts all by it's self and then switches over .. :)~
[12:50] <evil_dan2wik> It would be nice if mine did that
[12:50] <evil_dan2wik> but the control panel was getting hot and then it just stopped switching over after a while.
[12:50] <Armand> With my setup, I have an arduino controller which senses 12v and turns on the transformer when it hits a low threshold. :)
[12:50] <ShorTie> all you need is a automatic transfer switch
[12:51] <evil_dan2wik> ok.
[12:51] <ShorTie> you sound like you got some major power problems then
[12:52] <evil_dan2wik> not really.
[12:52] <evil_dan2wik> I can switch the switch over manually.
[12:53] <Armand> Errkk
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[12:59] <Armand> I should upload some pics of my switching controller
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[13:08] <evil_dan2wik> Armand, yes.
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[13:08] <Armand> I'll need to sync all my photos onto my server and sort them all first.. I have a lot of junk. :P
[13:09] <evil_dan2wik> k
[13:10] <qknight> RoBo_V: i've copied the big sd-card to the micro sd-card
[13:11] <qknight> RoBo_V: the changes i belive made it work were to copy https://github.com/raspberrypi/firmware/tree/master/boot some files from here to /dev/sda1
[13:11] <qknight> RoBo_V: it boots now but i'm not 100% sure this fixed it or maybe i was just using the wrong display
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[13:12] <RoBo_V> qknight: Have you replied really late? bcoz I just forget what was the problem at first place
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[13:12] <qknight> RoBo_V: sorry, the problem was that i was trying to use a rasbperry pi b image on the raspberry pi b+ and it didn't work and i got only a black-screen
[13:13] <qknight> RoBo_V: then i updated some firmware related stuff and it was showing a display image
[13:15] <RoBo_V> How you making SD card ready from windows or linux ?
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[13:19] <ShorTie> windows = win32diskimager, linux = dd
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[13:51] <evil_dan2wik> there is a dd available for windows but it is very bad.
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[13:53] <shiftplusone> gordonDrogon, sorry, got distracted by pesky work. Yes, model a can be 'booted' the same way the CM can, but it's not really what the question was about. The question was about booting off a usb mass storage device. CM or hub, there's no way to do it.
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[13:55] <shiftplusone> Well there is. I could embed a fat32 filesystem containing u-boot or something like that in a start.elf and push that through spi or usb slave, which would then load that and boot off a usb mass storage device.
[13:55] <shiftplusone> But then some moron would cry gpl violation.
[13:56] <electron_> ? the pi can boot of sPI /
[13:56] <electron_> ?
[13:56] <electron_> shiftplusone:
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[13:57] <shiftplusone> I think so. JamesH posted a list of peripherals it can boot off on the forum
[13:57] <shiftplusone> I don't know where that post is.
[13:57] <electron_> hmm interesting .. what about kernel and userspace ?
[13:57] <shiftplusone> that's the tricky part
[13:58] <shiftplusone> (hence u-boot)
[13:58] <shiftplusone> from my understanding, that's what roku does.
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[13:58] <electron_> oh .. push in uboot via spi and uboot loads the kernel from sdcard or usb huh ?
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[14:00] <shiftplusone> and firmware.... and pushing firmware through spi will take some time.
[14:00] <shiftplusone> but yeah, this isn't something you can do right now, it's just something that's possible with the right tools.
[14:00] <electron_> hmm ..is it possible via ethernet ?
[14:01] <shiftplusone> ethernet is on usb
[14:01] <electron_> ah yes ofcourse !
[14:01] <shiftplusone> you can pass the kernel and rootfs over ethernet, but not the firmware.
[14:01] <gordonDrogon> yes - the "trick" is getting the 2nd stage boot code into the Pi in the first place - after that, you can "boot" from anywhere...
[14:02] <gordonDrogon> (1st stage being the on-board bootrom)
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[14:25] <niston> cool
[14:26] <niston> BASS.NET works on raspberry with mono
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[14:27] <niston> http://www.un4seen.com/forum/?topic=13804.msg108970#msg108970
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[14:33] <niston> caveat: have to have a valid registration key to make the splash screen disappear, else it will crash without a running X
[14:34] <niston> but right now im listening to shoutcast stream played back by mono console app on raspberry pi.
[14:34] <niston> same exe works on windows too. ain't life wonderful? :)
[14:36] <winlu> http://bass.net/ heh
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[14:41] <niston> hmm shiftplusone, whats the EMMC_DISABLE_N pin for then?
[14:41] <niston> "The Compute Module has a pin called EMMC_DISABLE_N which when shorted to GND will disable the eMMC, forcing BCM2835 to boot from USB."
[14:41] <gordonDrogon> it's just that.
[14:42] <niston> I thought that would allow it to boot from USB mass storage?
[14:42] <gordonDrogon> it's how you bootstrap the CM in the first place.
[14:42] <gordonDrogon> no - it loads a tiny bootloader via USB using some magic protocol - that program then turns the Pi into a USB mass storage device - you can then DD am image into it from your linux host.
[14:43] <niston> ic
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[14:43] <gordonDrogon> so it's making the Pi look like a usb data key rather than making the Pi read a usb data key.
[14:49] <gordonDrogon> Hm. that's supposed to be do-able on the model A, but the schematic I have (original B1) doesn't show the pin.
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[14:50] <evil_dan2wik> gordonDrogon, de-solder the chip, modify the board and then solder it back down?
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[14:53] <gordonDrogon> evil_dan2wik, after you :)
[14:53] <gordonDrogon> checking the 2.1 rev. schematics now - still can't find that signal. Hm.
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[15:10] <evil_dan2wik> I could have sworn I started the download for the Raspbian image but I can't find it anywhere.
[15:13] <gordonDrogon> linux? use the find command: find ~ -name \*.zip
[15:15] <evil_dan2wik> windows
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[15:20] <gordonDrogon> well I'm sure there must be some equivalent.
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[15:52] <Kev-> Is the new B+ less sensitive to power supplies and cables that supply less than the ~4.8v ?
[15:54] <gordonDrogon> it might let you get away with slightly less good PSU, but there really is no substitute for a good PSU.
[15:55] <gordonDrogon> the low-voltage warning trips at 4.6v
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[15:57] <Kev-> Yeah I'll give it a shot...
[15:59] <gordonDrogon> so whats the worst that will happen... your S card will get fried, currently running programs will mutate, it will become self aware, ... oh wait ...
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[16:01] <SpeedEvil> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LRq_SAuQDec
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[16:01] <evil_dan2wik> gordonDrogon, what does the low voltage warning do?
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[16:03] <gordonDrogon> it turns the power LED off.
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[16:03] <gordonDrogon> it's also possible to read it in software.
[16:03] <gordonDrogon> and turn the LED off in software too.
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[16:22] <evil_dan2wik> gordonDrogon, in the event of power loss, would it be possible to detect the power failure and enable some preventative measures? like halting SD card writes?
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[16:28] <gordonDrogon> Sure. But not with the exiting low-power thingy. You will need some sort of external aid.
[16:29] <gordonDrogon> I suspect that by the time the Pi's own low-power trips, it's too late.
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[16:29] <evil_dan2wik> ok.
[16:30] <gordonDrogon> with no power and nothing to maintain power, it's doing down - fast.
[16:30] <evil_dan2wik> large-ish capcitor?
[16:30] <gordonDrogon> So a small battery/UPS/supercap and some circuitry...
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[16:31] <gordonDrogon> however... if it were me and I needed a system rock solid, I'd look to making the root FS read-only, or run it from RAM if the application demanded it.
[16:31] <gordonDrogon> another option is to run from NFS, but it's half the speed of running from the SD card.
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[16:33] <evil_dan2wik> gordonDrogon, minecraft server, constant writes to disk.
[16:33] <gordonDrogon> put it on a UPS.
[16:34] <evil_dan2wik> I don't have one.
[16:34] <gordonDrogon> what about a battery based USB that can charge itself while running a device...
[16:34] <gordonDrogon> *USB charger...
[16:35] <evil_dan2wik> the lithium based USB battery banks?
[16:35] <gordonDrogon> yea, whatever they're called. I have an Anker 15Ah unit.
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[16:36] <evil_dan2wik> you need 15ah for a Pi?
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[16:58] <gordonDrogon> evil_dan2wik, no - I wanted that to charge phones when away for a few days - it just happens to run a Pi very well (24 hours for a B and over 36 for a B+)
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[17:26] <Ikoru> what do you all use your raspberry pi for mostly?
[17:26] <shiftplusone> work
[17:27] <IT_Sean> streaming camera
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[17:29] <DoctorBTC> znc!
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[17:31] <gordonDrogon> "stuff".
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[17:31] <Ikoru> work as in coding work or general writing?
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[17:32] <Ikoru> also how does it fare for streaming several 1080p streams?
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[17:32] <Ikoru> several probably being 2 max
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[17:32] <IT_Sean> what would the sources be?
[17:33] <Ikoru> the sources?
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[17:33] <IT_Sean> yeah... what is it streaming?
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[17:33] <Ikoru> a movie, .mp4
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[17:33] <IT_Sean> from local storage?
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[17:33] <IT_Sean> i.e. a hdd?
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[17:33] <Ikoru> yes
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[17:34] <IT_Sean> ... should do. ymmv.
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[17:35] <Ikoru> another question, are there any small keyboards and screens that suit the raspberry pi?
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[17:37] <gordonDrogon> plenty.
[17:37] <IT_Sean> Yes.
[17:37] <IT_Sean> There are.
[17:37] <gordonDrogon> from the silly small things that have an on-board trackpad to something netbook sized...
[17:37] <gordonDrogon> to full-size of-course.
[17:38] <gordonDrogon> screens are a bit harder to find economically.
[17:38] <gordonDrogon> depends on the size - I got a small TV with HDMI input for �60 - it's 720p resolution.
[17:38] <gordonDrogon> 16" screen.
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[17:40] <IT_Sean> Adafruit sell a small 7" 1080p HDMI LCD
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[17:41] <NedScott> I just bought a used Motorola Atrix laptop dock for Pi and other uses for $40 :D
[17:41] <NedScott> it's basically a laptop shell with an 11inch LCD screen, keyboard, trackpad, and battery
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[17:41] <NedScott> that might be an option
[17:42] <nashi> I have that and the other one NedScott neither of them work for me x.x
[17:42] <NedScott> unless you're talking much smaller
[17:42] <gordonDrogon> I have a lapdock too - very fiddly hdmi input )-:
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[17:43] <gordonDrogon> almost tempted to take it apart and solder the cable in.
[17:43] <NedScott> I'm tempted to attempt a full-sized female HDMI port replacement, but I don't know if I'm confidant in my soldering skills
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[18:25] <Gadgetoid> Ahoy IT_Sean!
[18:25] <IT_Sean> Dammit... is it ITLAPD again?
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[18:46] <justaguy> So, i have a 15k mAh battery pack ( http://www.amazon.de/dp/B00D6980WM/ref=pe_386171_38075861_TE_item ), how long would an raspberry pi last on it, on average
[18:49] <shiftplusone> heh... kmAh is an interesting unit.
[18:50] <neutrino--> with no devices attached iirc my multimeter showed about 400 to 500 mah
[18:50] <neutrino--> *ma
[18:50] <shiftplusone> sounds about right
[18:50] <Mr_Sheesh> kmAh? LOL They could just type in Ah, ya know?
[18:51] <shiftplusone> =)
[18:51] <neutrino--> lol.. then it starts sounding like an industrial one :P
[18:51] <justaguy> shiftplusone: pls, 15k mAh = 15000 mAh
[18:52] <ShorTie> 15000 / ~500 =
[18:52] <shiftplusone> Yes, I know. We're just pointing out that m = milli = 10^-3. k = kilo = 10^3. Using both of them cancels out.
[18:52] <justaguy> 30 hours \o/
[18:52] <gordonDrogon> justaguy, I have that - Standard Pi model B lasts just under 24 hours on one.
[18:52] <gordonDrogon> justaguy, B+ lasts over 36 hours.
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[18:53] <shiftplusone> man up and hook it up to a car battery
[18:53] <justaguy> I bought one because i play ingress :D
[18:53] <shiftplusone> heh
[18:53] <shiftplusone> I've installed ingress, but realised I don't go outside.
[18:53] <shiftplusone> And my room doesn't have any landmarks that I know of
[18:54] <gordonDrogon> I tried to get into ingress, but I live in ruralistan, so nothing to find.
[18:54] <justaguy> gordonDrogon: Step 1: Send in a 100 places in ruralistan, then quit for 6 months, come back, enjoy
[18:55] <gordonDrogon> justaguy, yea, maybe.
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[19:03] <steve_rox> i have one them battery boxes
[19:03] <steve_rox> but never really let it run flat on a rpi
[19:04] <steve_rox> also might make a large 18650 battery pack and give that a go
[19:07] <steve_rox> least with b+ you can make a script to order it to power off when low power detected
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[19:09] <NedScott> oh neat, really?
[19:09] <NedScott> I was thinking of hooking up to the indicator LEDs, but that would obviously be much better
[19:09] <steve_rox> can read a gpio pin
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[19:10] <NedScott> ah, I see what you're saying
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[19:12] <steve_rox> id make better script but i dont know enough python
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[19:14] <gordonDrogon> do it from the command line with the gpio program from wiringPi.
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[19:15] <gordonDrogon> the low-power is fed to a gpio pin.
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[19:16] <gordonDrogon> gpio -g read 35
[19:17] <NedScott> directly? the GPIO would actually read the voltage?
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[19:17] <gordonDrogon> no - the low-voltage circuit is fed into a gpio pin.
[19:18] <gordonDrogon> so you can tell when the input voltage falls below 4.63v.
[19:18] <gordonDrogon> it normally reads 1, but reads 0 when the voltage is too low.
[19:18] <NedScott> ah, that's what I figured. For a moment I was like "whoa, no way"
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[19:19] <gordonDrogon> You can make a 1-bit ADC on he pi if you want to read the actual voltage - needs some CPU cycles, 2 resistors and a capacitor.
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[19:56] <Mr_Sheesh> I have a fairly simple thing I want to do with an RPi and some lower end AVR, trying to figure out if serial, I2C, or SPI would be best to have the RPi talk with the AVR. Thinking an ATTiny2313 but not finalized yet. Mostly C on both ends I'd think. Anyone done this and have an opinion here?
[19:58] <shiftplusone> I'd do whatever gertduino does.
[19:58] <Mr_Sheesh> That's not a bad idea, TY.
[19:59] <Mr_Sheesh> First RPi programming thing I'll have done, lots of other stuff over the years but it's a little involved :)
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[20:19] * plugwash would go serial
[20:20] <plugwash> or maybe SPI, i'd avoid I2C with microcontrollers as slaves
[20:20] <Mr_Sheesh> I'm leaning towards Serial, KISS principle, ya know?
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[20:21] <plugwash> yeah serial is almost certainly the easiest to get working both because of better support on the linux side and less tight timing considerations in the microcontroller code
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[20:22] <Mr_Sheesh> gertduino has no schematics in that PDF file etc., so IDK on that. Yeah and I've heard some people having issues with SPI on one AVR, need to ask them about that again
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[20:55] <gordonDrogon> Mr_Sheesh, serial
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[20:56] <gordonDrogon> Mr_Sheesh, just be aware of voltage issues if running the AVR at 5v.
[20:56] <gordonDrogon> SPI works too - again the voltage issue, but Pi can be master only.
[20:57] <gordonDrogon> and remember max spi clock is � F_CPU too, but serial is often easier. only 2 wires for a start :)
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[21:06] <Mr_Sheesh> gordonDrogon - Yep, I was thinking of running the AVR at 3.3V, I want to run an LED at 5V but IIRC there's 50mA or something to spare on those 5V pins (Why they need 2 pins for 5V at 50mAish IDK tho?)
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[21:11] <gordonDrogon> Mr_Sheesh, you have PSU amps - 500mA spare on the Pi's GPIO 5v pins.
[21:12] <gordonDrogon> (and usb)
[21:12] <gordonDrogon> if your AVR is usb drive/powered then it becomes easy too...
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[21:17] <Mr_Sheesh> I'm trying to power this little board completely off the RPI's GPIO connector, 500 mA should handle an LED before the polyfuse opens :P
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[21:18] <gordonDrogon> on a B the polyfuses are 700mA, so you have about 200mA spare. On the B+ with a 2amp PSU you have 1.5 amps spare...
[21:19] <Mr_Sheesh> Aaah; Just model B's here so far (1 B1, 2 B2's, more to come.) But a 200mA LED would be rather bright :P Just using 20-50 mA or so.
[21:19] <gordonDrogon> sure - just saying that's all you've got though.
[21:19] <gordonDrogon> assuming the Pi itself takes ~500mA max.
[21:21] <Mr_Sheesh> It's always good to know the limits of your power etc. :) So I appreciate making sure I know. It's not the idea here to reboot the RPi when the LED is turned on :P
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[23:24] <felipealmeida> hello, can someone clear me on the status of opensource gpu(videocore4) drivers for the raspberry pi?
[23:25] <gadgetoid> Ikoru: work :D
[23:25] <felipealmeida> is it still needed to use a blob as firmware for the vc4?
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[23:29] <gordonDrogon> felipealmeida, as far as I'm aware, yes.
[23:29] <felipealmeida> gordonDrogon: is people working on a opensource firmware running in vc4?
[23:30] <felipealmeida> I'm looking at the vc4 branch from Eric Anholt
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[23:30] <gordonDrogon> and?
[23:31] <felipealmeida> but I can't find anything that actually runs on the vc4 outside the mailbox
[23:31] <gordonDrogon> maybe a way to go yet.
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