#raspberrypi IRC Log


IRC Log for 2014-09-20

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[0:23] <abnormal> is that all is in here? just log in/outs????
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[0:24] <ShorTie> in away it seems like that at times
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[0:25] <plugwash> abnormal, feel free to start talking about something..............
[0:28] <abnormal> yeah, spot chat server is a difficult one to access... for some reason Verizon prohibits access to SpotChat channels...
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[0:30] <abnormal> I tried on lappy and pi both get no response even through a bouncer site... I was using bnc4free and now it's not working...
[0:31] <abnormal> so I am without access to SpotChat channels that have the mint channels.
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[0:32] <abnormal> must be Verizon found out I was using the bouncer....
[0:33] <plugwash> I guess you are locked into verizon?
[0:33] <abnormal> yup
[0:34] <abnormal> unless I go into town and at a B & N store and use their wifi... no prob there
[0:35] <ShorTie> except security wize
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[0:37] <abnormal> Kuja in SpotChat sent me a forum clip of an investigation some client did and found out Verizon on purpose block SpotChat....
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[0:40] <imyerrow> will this work with the raspberry pi camera? https://programmaticponderings.wordpress.com/2013/01/01/remote-motion-activated-web-based-video-surveillance-with-raspberry-pi/
[0:40] <imyerrow> i just want to capture still images when motion is detected
[0:41] <imyerrow> is there a better setup or solution than this?
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[0:43] <ShorTie> have you looked at RPi_Cam_Web_Interface by chance, it's preaty good
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[0:47] <evil_dan2wik> hmm
[0:47] <evil_dan2wik> I just install raspbian onto a micro SD card using my phone
[0:47] <ShorTie> but does it work is the real ??
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[1:00] <imyerrow> ShorTie: thanks i will check out RPi_Cam_Web_Interface
[1:01] <evil_dan2wik> ShorTie, yes, it is booting
[1:03] <evil_dan2wik> I booted to my recovery of my phone and was able to use dd from there.
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[1:08] <danielmahon> Can anyone help me with using a 12VDC adapter from 110AC to power a raspberrypi and 12V led array?
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[1:30] <plugwash> danielmahon, what sort of help do you need? how is the LED array connected to the Pi?
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[1:32] <danielmahon> plugwash: well im trying to figure out the circuit and what components ill need to power the pi and led array via 12V,
[1:33] <danielmahon> the led is bascially going to be constantly powered, pulling directly from the 12v source
[1:33] <plugwash> So the LEDs are not going to be controlled by the Pi?
[1:34] <danielmahon> plugwash: not in the first iteration, they are just IR leds for illumination
[1:35] <plugwash> Right, my advice unless you like messing arround with custom switching is to use an off the shelf switching converter block, i've used the traco TSR 1-2450 myself but there are probablly cheaper ones out there (especially if you go to chinese ebay sellers)
[1:35] <danielmahon> i suppose ill want an on/off switch at one point, but that will control power to both
[1:35] <plugwash> don't try to use a linear regulator unless you like trying to get rid of a lot of heat
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[1:36] <danielmahon> plugwash: and you would wire something like a 12v adapter to the convertor right?
[1:37] <danielmahon> (if coming from 110)
[1:37] <plugwash> yeah, making sure that the 12V adaptor had sufficient power to run everything you wanted to run off it
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[1:39] <danielmahon> meaning atleast 1A right, since the tsr outputs a max 1A... forgive my ignorance, i havent messed with this stuff in awhile and i forget ;)
[1:40] <plugwash> well the input current on the traco will be lower than the output current because it's a switching converter, of course you also have to take account the power requirements of the LED strip
[1:40] <evil_dan2wik> danielmahon, 2A would be better.
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[1:44] <danielmahon> evil_dan2wik: if you have a sec can you explain why 2A? im just trying to remember how this works
[1:45] <evil_dan2wik> You need enough power to stably run the Pi and the LEDs and whatever else you need to run.
[1:45] <evil_dan2wik> 2A is just better then 1A
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[1:46] <shish0r> heh, for anybody in the UK, Mo Farah :)
[1:47] <danielmahon> evil_dan2wik: im just thinking in terms of the TSR-1 having a max output current of 1A, does the amperage matter "upstream"
[1:47] <evil_dan2wik> up stream?
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[1:49] <shish0r> the TSR-1 will pull whatever it needs to satisfy the load on the output (provided it is within limits)
[1:50] <shish0r> if you want to power the TSR-1 from the same source as the RPi then you need to be able to provide the current to supply both
[1:50] <danielmahon> evil_dan2wik: sorry, lets say some leds and the pi are wired with the TSR-1, supplying them with 5V and max 1A. If the power supply is rated for 2A, would it make a difference, versus it being rated for 1 or 1.5A? sorry if im asking this incorrectly, thats why im asking ;)
[1:51] <danielmahon> how does the current from the TSR relate to the current from the power supply
[1:52] <shish0r> P=I*V * effeciency factor
[1:53] <danielmahon> will the current across the TSR pull 2A so that it can steadily maintain the 1A output?
[1:53] <danielmahon> (again, its been awhile)
[1:53] <shish0r> if you run at 5V on the output at 1 amp thats 5w, if you are 80% efficient you need to provide 6W at the input, so 6 / the input voltage is the MINIMUM you need
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[1:54] <shish0r> but you want to have some headroom on the input supply
[1:56] <danielmahon> ok, i think i get it thanks
[1:56] <shish0r> the TSR will pull whatever it needs
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[1:56] <shish0r> you want to have a little excess in the capability of you supply compared to what your converter needs to pull
[1:57] <shish0r> else you will be stessing your converter
[1:57] <shish0r> *stressing
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[1:57] <danielmahon> that makes sense, also I had forgotten to factor in efficiency
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[1:58] <shish0r> sorry, supply and probably the converter)
[1:59] <shish0r> supply max amps = best, load min amps = best :) simple rule of thumb
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[2:18] <evil_dan2wik> "This device should not be powered from a USB port or any device attached" Why does it say that?
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[2:22] <shish0r> evil_dan2wik, where did you find that?
[2:24] <evil_dan2wik> A piece of paper that came with my B+
[2:25] <shish0r> well, powering via USB bypasses the polyfuse on the regular input
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[2:26] <shish0r> if you power by any means other than the regular micro USB than make sure you are confident in the juice you are putting in and the loads you have connected to the pi
[2:27] <evil_dan2wik> ok.
[2:27] <evil_dan2wik> Also, if I power the Pi from the 5v on the GPIO, does that bypass the poly fuse?
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[2:28] <shish0r> yup
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[2:37] <evil_dan2wik> why is it that the ACT light is on and the power light is off when I power the GPIO?
[2:38] <plugwash> evil_dan2wik, is this a B+?
[2:38] <evil_dan2wik> yes.
[2:38] <plugwash> probablly undervoltage
[2:39] <evil_dan2wik> oh
[2:39] <plugwash> (theres an undervoltage detect on the power LED of the B+ to warn people when they have an undervoltage condition)
[2:39] <evil_dan2wik> I just realised the jumper settings on the power supply are making it 3.3v
[2:39] <shish0r> +ve good move compared to the origianl B
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[2:40] <shish0r> the orginal B was just tempramental with no indication :/
[2:41] <evil_dan2wik> What is the default baud rate of the raspbian image?
[2:42] * plugwash makes an educated guess of 115200
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[2:42] <shish0r> sounds reasonable :)
[2:42] <evil_dan2wik> k.
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[2:54] * shish0r is looking for a good kickstarter project to put some money into
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[2:54] <mattwj2002> hi
[2:54] <mattwj2002> :D
[2:55] <shish0r> howdy
[2:55] * mattwj2002 thinks raspberry pi is like a real raspberry pi....you can never have enough! :)
[2:55] <mattwj2002> hey shish0r
[2:55] <Jesperhead> Anyone have any luck using a lapdock with their pi?
[2:56] <mattwj2002> what the heck is stratch?
[2:56] <mattwj2002> scratch I mean
[2:56] <shish0r> heh
[2:56] <Jesperhead> programming language?
[2:56] <Jesperhead> aimed at beginners if i recall
[2:56] <Jesperhead> havent checked it out
[2:56] <mattwj2002> oh okay :)
[2:57] <shish0r> it's a kind of abstracted programming language
[2:57] <shish0r> yeah, aimed at beginners and kids
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[2:57] <mattwj2002> oh okay cool...looks like it is for kids
[2:57] <mattwj2002> :)
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[2:58] <mattwj2002> I loaded up the NOOB SD image
[2:58] <mattwj2002> and it said load right into scratch :)
[2:58] <shish0r> you can actually achieve a fair amount with it even though even though it is simplified form of programming
[2:59] <shish0r> ?
[2:59] <abnormal> mattwj2002, it's not just for kids, it's for everyone to use and learn how to program, good for starting before moving on to Python....
[2:59] <shish0r> yes
[2:59] <mattwj2002> :)
[3:00] <shish0r> it introduces a lot of the concepts without the nuances of the full language
[3:00] <mattwj2002> very nice
[3:00] <mattwj2002> so what is the best pi? B or B+?
[3:00] <Jesperhead> i would argue that most teens/adults should be able to pick up python with little effort. not all of course
[3:01] <shish0r> mattwj2002, depends
[3:01] <Jesperhead> north pi is best pi
[3:01] <mattwj2002> north pi?
[3:01] * mattwj2002 googles that
[3:01] <Jesperhead> silly joke, ignore me
[3:01] <shish0r> Jesperhead, kind of, I must admit, coming from other backgrouds, the indentation rigor gets me every now and then
[3:02] <Jesperhead> shish0r: i eagerly adopted it because it helps readability by leaps and bounds. And coming from Java, who doesnt give a darn about indents...
[3:02] <Jesperhead> which*
[3:03] <evil_dan2wik> is it possible to boot noobs and then format the SD card it is running on?
[3:03] <shish0r> yeah, i don't disagree it has it's place, but sometimes it just seems painful
[3:03] <shish0r> evil_dan2wik, no
[3:04] <evil_dan2wik> you sure?
[3:04] <shish0r> well you will have a number of partitions on the SD card mounted when you boot
[3:04] <mattwj2002> the b+ has composite video through the audio port?
[3:04] <mattwj2002> O.o
[3:04] <evil_dan2wik> Yeah, I want to completely remove everything.
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[3:05] <shish0r> evil_dan2wik, you will need to put the card in another computer
[3:05] <evil_dan2wik> I don't have a micro SD card reader
[3:05] <evil_dan2wik> I got noobs on it using my phone
[3:06] <shish0r> :/
[3:06] <evil_dan2wik> I tried with raspbian but it booted once and then didn't boot again.
[3:06] <shish0r> you don't have an easy way forward unless you can play with the card on yuor phone or get an adapter
[3:06] <shish0r> what do you mean it didn't boot again?
[3:07] <evil_dan2wik> It booted raspbian but then it didn't boot after I turned it off
[3:07] <evil_dan2wik> the ACT light just stayed solid after I turned it on the 2nd time.
[3:07] <shish0r> did you have a screen plugged into it and see any error messages?
[3:07] <evil_dan2wik> no.
[3:08] <evil_dan2wik> I have the serial console connected.
[3:08] <shish0r> do you have the capability to directly connect it to a tv/monitor just to see what happens when it boots?
[3:09] <evil_dan2wik> not here.
[3:09] <shish0r> :/
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[3:09] <evil_dan2wik> The TV has HDMI but the cable is missing.
[3:09] <evil_dan2wik> and I don't know how to use the composite video from the audio jack.
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[3:10] <shish0r> yeah, i'm not that familiar with the B+
[3:10] <shish0r> it's often best to get is set up with a real display connected though
[3:10] <shish0r> then move to other configurations
[3:11] <evil_dan2wik> Often, the best way is to have a card reader for a micro SD card :\
[3:12] <shish0r> no doubt that would help
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[3:12] <evil_dan2wik> How is noobs still working? I took the SD card out.
[3:12] <shish0r> it won't be
[3:12] <evil_dan2wik> It is
[3:13] <evil_dan2wik> I can run commands and everything.
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[3:13] <abnormal> evil_dan2wik, until you turn it off then try it withour the SD card...
[3:14] <shish0r> try writing to the root partition
[3:14] <shish0r> or doing anything that requires a file read/write
[3:14] <evil_dan2wik> writing what where?
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[3:14] <evil_dan2wik> the act light seems to be panicing.
[3:15] * shish0r is not suprised
[3:15] <evil_dan2wik> [ 593.355600] mmc0: card 1234 removed
[3:15] <abnormal> lol
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[3:16] <evil_dan2wik> shish0r, where do I write it?
[3:16] <evil_dan2wik> I have written files to a few places and it hasn't errored and it has read back fine.
[3:16] <shish0r> touch /home/pi/test
[3:16] <abnormal> so don't put card back in until shut down completely!
[3:16] <evil_dan2wik> touch: /home/pi/test: No such file or directory
[3:17] <evil_dan2wik> this is the noobs installer btw.
[3:17] <shish0r> will there we go, it can't write 'test' to the /home/pi directorty
[3:17] <evil_dan2wik> there is no /home/pi directory.
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[3:19] <evil_dan2wik> it seems that noobs loads almost everything into ram and then mounts the other stuff as read only.
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[3:27] <plugwash> evil_dan2wik, given what noobs is supposed to do that isn't really surprising
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[3:27] <evil_dan2wik> but I thought it would stop working without the SD card in.
[3:29] <plugwash> think about it, the first thing noobs does on a fresh install is to reduce the size the only partition on the SD card, you can't use a partition while you are reducing it's size
[3:29] <plugwash> so noobs needs to be in ram
[3:29] <plugwash> or at least parts of it do
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[3:32] <[Saint]> This would only screw you over when it comes to updating the contents of /boot
[3:33] <[Saint]> (which would happen rarely)
[3:34] <evil_dan2wik> ok.
[3:35] * DropBear_ is now known as DropBear
[3:35] <[Saint]> Realistically /boot should be RO anyway, but secure boot is a bit of a joke on the raspi.
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[3:37] <[Saint]> I _believe_ NOOBS likes to store some config magic in /boot too.
[3:37] <[Saint]> So, that may also be problematic if /boot was RO or not present.
[3:38] * [Saint] dislikes such things immensely
[3:39] <[Saint]> Anything that relies on /tmp being mounted as executable...I'm looking at you.
[3:39] <[Saint]> That pisses me off no end.
[3:40] <evil_dan2wik> why would /tmp be executable?
[3:40] <abnormal> well if you don't like NOOBS then get rid of it....
[3:41] <[Saint]> evil_dan2wik: quite a few package installation scripts rely on being able to execute from /tmp
[3:41] <[Saint]> Its bloody annoying.
[3:41] <evil_dan2wik> ok.
[3:42] <[Saint]> Thankfully you can trivially put a wrapper around apt and friends to remount /tmp executable for the duration of requirement.
[3:42] <evil_dan2wik> ...
[3:43] <evil_dan2wik> 16GB sd card
[3:43] <evil_dan2wik> "No space left on card" at 869MB
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[3:43] <abnormal> good, time to get a 64 GB
[3:43] <[Saint]> Or stop using NOOBS.
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[3:44] * [Saint] has no idea why people put themselves through that rubbish
[3:44] <abnormal> one of my pi's has a 128 SD card
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[3:44] <[Saint]> That's just silly.
[3:45] <[Saint]> All the sdcards in that range are WAY faster than the pi could EVER need.
[3:45] <[Saint]> And foolishly expensive.
[3:45] <abnormal> nah... lots of room man... ROOM!
[3:45] <[Saint]> I have lots of room too...a 2TB USB HDD.
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[3:46] <[Saint]> The sdcard is some 256MB class 2 piece of crap
[3:46] <[Saint]> No need for anything larger or fancier.
[3:46] <[Saint]> Hilariously my HDD likely cost less than your sdcard.
[3:47] <[Saint]> And is orders of magnitude larger.
[3:47] <abnormal> so? at least I didn't have to plug in a HDD and its PSU!!!
[3:47] <[Saint]> Nor do I.
[3:48] <[Saint]> Runs off 500mA just fine.
[3:48] <[Saint]> Try again. ;)
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[3:50] <[Saint]> USB storage, for whatever reason, seems a whole lot less likely to toast itself of sudden power loss, too.
[3:50] <[Saint]> Which for a pi can be vitally important.
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[3:51] <abnormal> that's whut batt back up is for...
[3:52] <[Saint]> USB is also orders or magnitude faster here.
[3:52] <[Saint]> You'll never get close to that cards rated speed on the pi. Ever.
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[3:52] <evil_dan2wik> abnormal, I used to have a 128MB SD card for booting that booted to an external 16GB usb but then someone took it.
[3:52] <[Saint]> Hahaha, what a nice fellow.
[3:53] <abnormal> lol... shudda superglued it, man
[3:53] <[Saint]> Aaaaaand, that goes to one of my pints earlier regarding the pi and security.
[3:53] <evil_dan2wik> It was in a locked wooden case
[3:53] <evil_dan2wik> They ripped the joystick out of the case and the USB was within reach
[3:53] <[Saint]> Some people are just dicks.
[3:54] <evil_dan2wik> At least I didn't loose the Pi
[3:54] * [Saint] nods
[3:54] <abnormal> wow, so someone knew you had it... so you need to revert back to who you told you had it...
[3:54] <[Saint]> Sounds to me like it was on public display.
[3:55] <evil_dan2wik> I doubt someone knew I had it. The game does make people violent.
[3:55] <abnormal> well someone had to know it was there...
[3:55] <evil_dan2wik> abnormal, not really.
[3:55] <evil_dan2wik> Rip the joy stick out, pull the Pi to the hole at the front.
[3:55] <abnormal> was it out in the open?
[3:56] <[Saint]> See above: some people are just dicks.
[3:56] <[Saint]> Steal anything, just to watch the world burn.
[3:56] <evil_dan2wik> The gaming unit was in the lobby but no-one saw anything.
[3:56] <abnormal> I c.... ooopppsss
[3:57] <evil_dan2wik> The hole for the joystick wasn't big enough for the Pi to fit through but the USB was easily grabbed from it..
[3:58] <abnormal> hmmm... next time put a safe in there as the pi case, lol
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[4:03] <[Saint]> evil_dan2wik: need one of these
[4:03] <[Saint]> http://www.mobileappsystems.com
[4:03] <evil_dan2wik> any reason why after I was using noobs, the SD card thinks it is 819mb?
[4:04] * [Saint] uses Proto Armor cases for his WiFi repeater units.
[4:04] <[Saint]> I have about a dozen of them in client homes.
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[4:05] <[Saint]> evil_dan2wik: just the way NOOBS works.
[4:05] <[Saint]> There's really very little reason to use it, IMO.
[4:06] <[Saint]> If you have multiple sdcards, or multiple USB storage instances, use 'em
[4:07] <[Saint]> The primary thing NOOBS offers, in my opinion, is trivial backup and install.
[4:07] <evil_dan2wik> [Saint], the whole SD card says it is that big though.
[4:07] <evil_dan2wik> I just tried using dd to put raspbian on it and it always says "No space left on device" with 819MB copied.
[4:08] <[Saint]> Are you positive of this or is this just brain dead Windows only listing the FAT partition?
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[4:08] <evil_dan2wik> linux
[4:08] <[Saint]> Hmmm.
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[4:09] <pksato> use /dev/sdX not /dev/sdX1
[4:09] <[Saint]> Hmmm. Good call. I guess it wasn't safe to assume that's the case.
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[4:11] <evil_dan2wik> I was using /dev/sdc
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[4:16] <evil_dan2wik> still no idea what is wrong.
[4:16] <pksato> sure that sdc is you sd card?
[4:17] <evil_dan2wik> yes.
[4:17] <evil_dan2wik> sda is my hard drive
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[4:18] <evil_dan2wik> sdb is my other SD card which is 128mb and sdc is my 16GB sd card that I have the problems with.
[4:18] <pksato> ls -l /dev/sdc , show a block device?
[4:19] <evil_dan2wik> no.
[4:19] <pksato> or, file -b /dev/sdc
[4:20] <evil_dan2wik> Hold on a sec.
[4:21] <pksato> you have a pc with 1GB of ram?
[4:23] <evil_dan2wik> Will 4GB do?
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[4:23] <pksato> 2GB?
[4:23] <evil_dan2wik> do I need 2GB?
[4:23] <evil_dan2wik> Both my laptops have 4GB
[4:24] <abnormal> no you need about 4TB
[4:24] <pksato> evil_dan2wik: you sd is not /dev/sdc
[4:24] <evil_dan2wik> pksato, it is
[4:24] <pksato> remove /dev/sdc , rm /dev/sdc
[4:25] <pksato> and eject/disconect you sd card.
[4:25] <pksato> or eject before rm.
[4:25] <evil_dan2wik> um
[4:25] <pksato> re plug and check dmesg
[4:25] <evil_dan2wik> "remove write-protected block special file '/dev/sdc'?
[4:26] <pksato> dmesg show that is new dev assigned to sd>
[4:26] <pksato> eject sd first.
[4:26] <evil_dan2wik> done.
[4:26] <pksato> try rm /dev/sdc
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[4:26] <evil_dan2wik> no such file.
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[4:27] <pksato> ok. plug sd again.
[4:27] <evil_dan2wik> the /dev/sdc is back again
[4:28] <pksato> ok, fdisk -l /dev/sdc
[4:28] <pksato> and, have a partition table?
[4:29] <pksato> one of line show the capacity of disk.
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[4:32] <evil_dan2wik> pksato, partition table is empty, 818805760 Bytes, 818MB
[4:32] <evil_dan2wik> disk ID is 0x00000000
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[4:33] <pksato> ouch...
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[4:34] <abnormal> reformat ig
[4:34] <abnormal> *it
[4:34] <evil_dan2wik> abnormal, how?
[4:35] <abnormal> put it in ur windows computer and reformat it and reinstall the OS
[4:35] <pksato> you have other sd card reader?
[4:36] <pksato> or other sd card
[4:37] <evil_dan2wik> pksato, it was working fine until I put noobs on it.
[4:38] <pksato> It not make sense.
[4:38] <evil_dan2wik> and then noobs must have done something to it.
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[4:39] <pksato> hdparm -i /dev/sdc show what about card?
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[4:41] <pksato> probable, get a error.
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[4:44] <evil_dan2wik> pksato, failed
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[4:44] <evil_dan2wik> A load of bad/missing sense data and then invalid argument
[4:45] <pksato> dmesg | grep sdc.*block
[4:45] <pksato> what is reported size?
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[4:56] <abnormal> evil_dan2wik, read this and do what it says... http://www.raspberrypi.org/help/noobs-setup/
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[5:16] <evil_dan2wik> abnormal, no screen
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[5:17] <evil_dan2wik> I put noobs on it because the raspbian image wasn't booting. Noobs worked fine but then I realised I needed a screen to use noobs
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[5:19] <abnormal> I c... you have no monitor or TV hooked to it?
[5:19] <evil_dan2wik> no.
[5:19] <evil_dan2wik> None available either
[5:19] <abnormal> what do you have pi hooked to?
[5:20] <evil_dan2wik> Serial adapter
[5:20] <abnormal> then to what?
[5:21] <niston> http://niston.wordpress.com/2014/09/20/cross-platform-development/
[5:21] <niston> :>
[5:22] <abnormal> show off
[5:22] <niston> :P
[5:23] <abnormal> nice... lotta werk
[5:24] <niston> actually less than one might expect
[5:24] <niston> I found that there exists an ARM6 linux version of the BASS audio library
[5:25] <niston> its a work in progress I figure, but the basics work
[5:25] <evil_dan2wik> abnormal, serial on GPIO
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[5:28] <evil_dan2wik> abnormal, and then to my computer
[5:28] <evil_dan2wik> abnormal, and then I am connecting to COM44 using putty
[5:29] <evil_dan2wik> abnormal, almost the same as ssh
[5:29] <abnormal> so you are using it as a router to access web?
[5:29] <evil_dan2wik> no.
[5:29] <evil_dan2wik> I am trying to get it set up and running
[5:30] <abnormal> how is it hooked to PC?
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[5:30] <evil_dan2wik> serial to USB adapter
[5:30] <abnormal> ok, can you hook it up to PC just using the USB cable?
[5:31] <evil_dan2wik> what do you mean just the USB cable?
[5:31] <evil_dan2wik> USB cable from where?
[5:31] <abnormal> usb from computer to the power mini usb on pi
[5:31] <evil_dan2wik> I have that too
[5:32] <abnormal> hmmmm...
[5:32] <evil_dan2wik> But I am communicating with the Pi using the serial port on it
[5:32] <abnormal> niston you there?
[5:32] <abnormal> niston, ???
[5:33] <abnormal> shiftplusone, are you there?
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[5:34] <abnormal> just a minute, evil_dan2wik , I'll find someone to help you as what you are doing is over me head..
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[5:35] <abnormal> yooo hooo.... niston
[5:35] <evil_dan2wik> abnormal, it is pretty much ssh without using network.
[5:36] <abnormal> yes it's over my knowlege...
[5:38] <abnormal> I know I can just hook the pi to PC only and be able to see it on the host video
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[5:38] <evil_dan2wik> abnormal, point is, I need to get something on here but the only thing that I can get to work is noobs but that requires a screen.
[5:39] <abnormal> that's what I used on first pi, I was able to use the PC's vid to see what pi is doing.
[5:39] <niston> sup
[5:40] <abnormal> can you help evil_dan2wik pls? niston
[5:41] <evil_dan2wik> ah
[5:41] <niston> need to read up on the problem
[5:41] <evil_dan2wik> I just zero'd the SD card on my phone and now it is 16GB again
[5:42] <abnormal> evil_dan2wik, niston is present now so ask him
[5:42] <evil_dan2wik> hold on a sec, It might work now.
[5:42] <abnormal> ok
[5:43] <abnormal> niston, how do you see pi via usb to PC?
[5:44] <niston> huh?
[5:44] <abnormal> like hook the usb cable to pc and to power of pi?
[5:45] <niston> what?
[5:45] <abnormal> should still be able to see pi's activities, right?
[5:45] <niston> ???
[5:45] <abnormal> you don't get it?
[5:45] <niston> no.
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[5:46] <niston> an usb cable, a Pi and a PC. then what?
[5:46] <abnormal> when I first got my pi, I had no monitor, so I hook it up to PC and run it from PC
[5:46] <niston> you mean you connected Pi and PC via ethernet and then SSHd into the Pi from the PC?
[5:47] <abnormal> yes
[5:47] <niston> ok. an ethernet cable, a Pi and a PC then.
[5:47] <niston> next? :D
[5:47] <abnormal> but pi has no monitor
[5:47] <niston> yup
[5:47] <niston> headless
[5:48] <abnormal> so how do I know what is going on in the pi?
[5:48] <niston> like, whithout being logged into ssh ?
[5:48] <abnormal> take a chainsaw and cut monitor in half?
[5:48] <abnormal> and share it?
[5:48] <evil_dan2wik> yes.
[5:49] <niston> type "top" in the shell
[5:49] <niston> it will give you an overview of "whats up"
[5:49] <abnormal> and
[5:50] <evil_dan2wik> hmm
[5:51] <evil_dan2wik> So, the SD card seems to screw up when I re-size the partition.
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[5:53] <abnormal> so i guess you will just have to get some kind of a monitor or TV to see what the pi is doing... I was thinking of a different mini computer...
[5:54] <abnormal> it is a beaglebone black and is designed to be able to use PC's video to view the activity...
[5:54] <evil_dan2wik> ok...
[5:55] <evil_dan2wik> also, why is the image for raspbian compressed to 700 meg but the image is 3.3GB when extracted?
[5:55] <abnormal> so, like I said, what you are doing is way over my head and I know nothing about that process.
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[5:56] <abnormal> I guess that is it's newer image... used to be about 2 GB
[5:57] <abnormal> look it up in the pi's repo
[5:57] <evil_dan2wik> hmm/
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[5:57] <evil_dan2wik> looks like it is mostly zero.
[5:57] <evil_dan2wik> can't they just expand it on first run?
[5:57] <abnormal> do you have Noobs on the card??
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[6:00] <abnormal> cuz when you have noobs on it is a very small partition and everything in there is compressed. so when you start pi up and noobs starts it will ask you which OS you want then it will extract for you.
[6:01] <abnormal> only one OS at a time... it will not put more than one on it.
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[6:07] <abnormal> so I have several SD cards, one OS on each card.and that allows me to choose which OS to boot with, there's no way to tell unless you have a monitor hooked up to the pi, period.
[6:08] <evil_dan2wik> abnormal, I just installed raspbian
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[6:08] <abnormal> good, congrats, man
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[6:09] <evil_dan2wik> only problem is, this is what I am getting through serial:
[6:09] <evil_dan2wik> ▒▒aspb▒▒▒yp▒ ▒▒g▒n▒
[6:10] <abnormal> I see... hmmm.... communication problem
[6:10] <evil_dan2wik> oh nvm, it just fixed itself
[6:10] <abnormal> cool
[6:10] <evil_dan2wik> awesome
[6:11] <abnormal> great. at least you know more than me
[6:14] <evil_dan2wik> so it seems that my SD card reader protects the partition table of the SD card
[6:14] <abnormal> so you are able to see it in ur PC now?
[6:14] <evil_dan2wik> abnormal, I don't think the pi does what you are thinking.
[6:15] <evil_dan2wik> also, the first partition of my SD card was showing up as /dev/sdc rather than /dev/sdc1
[6:15] <abnormal> Or was the little tab on side of it in read only position?
[6:15] <evil_dan2wik> no tab.
[6:15] <evil_dan2wik> micro SD card
[6:15] <abnormal> I c...
[6:15] <abnormal> lol, micro, silly me
[6:16] <evil_dan2wik> but, I used dd on my phone to erase the entire card and then the image loaded to it just fine on my computer.
[6:17] <abnormal> nice.
[6:17] <abnormal> imager it?
[6:17] <evil_dan2wik> imager?
[6:18] <niston> if I put a wolfson audio card onto my berrypie, I have two audio devices. right?
[6:19] <evil_dan2wik> probably.
[6:19] <evil_dan2wik> which reminds me, Is it possible to bit bang audio using GPIO?
[6:19] <niston> hmm
[6:19] <abnormal> yes take pic of ur setup and send as imager
[6:19] <niston> kinda like C64 digisound playback
[6:20] <evil_dan2wik> doesn't have to be good quality, but it can't be bad quality either.
[6:20] <niston> why not simply use a $3 USB sound dongle from china, though?
[6:21] <abnormal> cuz it will sound like chinese
[6:21] <niston> lol
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[6:25] <evil_dan2wik> niston, because why do that if I can bit bang acceptable quality audio on GPIO
[6:26] <niston> you'd need some external circuitry like a filter, I think
[6:26] <niston> perhaps you can then turn a GP output into a 1bit dac
[6:27] <niston> dunno about timing constraints
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[6:28] <niston> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1-bit_DAC
[6:28] <evil_dan2wik> niston, for basic bing noises, I think it can be done.
[6:30] <evil_dan2wik> the Pi board is running a lot cooler than I remember.
[6:30] <evil_dan2wik> compared to the B
[6:31] <abnormal> what pi you using now?
[6:34] <evil_dan2wik> B+
[6:35] <abnormal> nice
[6:35] <abnormal> do you have an A?
[6:35] <evil_dan2wik> no.
[6:35] <evil_dan2wik> I have 2 Bs and 1 B+
[6:35] <abnormal> I c...
[6:36] <abnormal> I have one A, 4 B, and one BBB
[6:36] <evil_dan2wik> BBB isn't a pi
[6:36] <abnormal> no
[6:36] <abnormal> it's a beaglebone black
[6:36] <evil_dan2wik> yeah, and it isn't a Pi
[6:36] <abnormal> in short is BBB
[6:37] <evil_dan2wik> why do you need 4 Bs?
[6:37] <abnormal> some ppl have banana pi
[6:37] <abnormal> some have Odroid U3
[6:37] <abnormal> some have cubietruck
[6:38] <abnormal> I have arduino uno, 2 quickstart, and a piface daughter bd
[6:39] <abnormal> but I am not that electronics savy
[6:39] <abnormal> I just play with them....
[6:42] <evil_dan2wik> oops
[6:42] <evil_dan2wik> I just destroyed the regulator on my serial board
[6:43] <evil_dan2wik> I had the 5v from the pi connected to Vout with the serial board set to 3.3v mode.
[6:43] <niston> ooh
[6:43] <niston> http://iqaudio.com/
[6:43] <abnormal> noooo... dang
[6:45] <abnormal> nice bd
[6:45] <evil_dan2wik> nice
[6:46] <evil_dan2wik> also, what is with the tape on the hdmi port?
[6:47] <niston> tape on hdmi port?
[6:47] <evil_dan2wik> yeah, on top of the HDMI port on my B+ is a small square of brown tape.
[6:47] <niston> dunno, have no B+ yet
[6:47] <abnormal> insulation
[6:48] <evil_dan2wik> not insulation.
[6:48] <abnormal> to protect it
[6:48] <clever> kapton tape, likely just to keep dirt from falling inside the connector during soldering
[6:48] <evil_dan2wik> but the tap doesn't even cover the whole port.
[6:48] <abnormal> so when you add a plug in card like the sound addon it won't short out
[6:49] <clever> abnormal: nope, nothing like that
[6:49] <clever> evil_dan2wik: it might also be for the suction head on the pick&place machine
[6:49] <evil_dan2wik> oh, that is probably it then.
[6:49] <evil_dan2wik> http://www.raspberrypi.org/wp-content/uploads/2012/11/Six-pack-of-pi.jpg
[6:50] * clever drools
[6:50] <clever> also, its missing a lot of thru-hole parts!
[6:51] <evil_dan2wik> clever, this is an image of the Pis in the factory.
[6:51] <clever> i know that
[6:51] <abnormal> neat... wife used to operate component insertion machine yrs ago
[6:51] <evil_dan2wik> I just posted it to show the tape on the HDMI
[6:52] <clever> ive got a pi on this desk, using it as a vnc head-end
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[6:54] <evil_dan2wik> I wish I still had a working external hard drive.
[6:55] <evil_dan2wik> The last one I had, a friend borrowed it and broke the USB port on the sata to USB adapter.
[6:55] <abnormal> go to a neighbor's house and steal one
[6:55] <evil_dan2wik> wat.
[6:55] <evil_dan2wik> why would you suggest that?
[6:56] <abnormal> so you can have a hard drive...
[6:57] <evil_dan2wik> but that is stealing.
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[6:58] <abnormal> lol... walk the streets and see if you find one in a yard sale or in a trash can... some ppl I know found whole laptops thrown in dumpsters...
[6:59] <abnormal> near universities
[6:59] <clever> i found a whole PS3 fat model in the garbage, in the middle of the rain
[6:59] <clever> complete with a note on the side saying it doesnt work and to throw it out
[7:00] <clever> i believe the cpu/gpu unsoldered itself and needs to be reflowed, its still on my todo list
[7:00] <abnormal> nice
[7:00] <evil_dan2wik> clever, I don't get how they de-solder themselves though.
[7:00] <abnormal> get real hot
[7:00] <evil_dan2wik> My mum left a blanket on the PS3 and it was fine.
[7:00] <clever> crappy lead-free solder doesnt handle the different rates of expansion and contraction
[7:01] <clever> so as the chip and board expand at different rates, it just rips a few solder joints apart
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[7:06] <schroding3r> Hello, all
[7:06] <abnormal> lla olleh
[7:07] <schroding3r> [::-1]
[7:07] <schroding3r> So, quick question, do you know if Raspian has GPT support enabled in the kernel?
[7:09] <abnormal> I don't, lol... have to ask clever or niston
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[7:13] <niston> dunno, but I just ordered this: http://iqaudio.com/?page_id=28 :D
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[7:17] <clever> pi@pi2 ~ $ cat /proc/config.gz |gunzip|grep EFI
[7:17] <clever> CONFIG_EFI_PARTITION=y
[7:17] <clever> schroding3r: i think its enabled
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[7:18] <abnormal> niston, u dog
[7:18] <abnormal> how much is it?
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[7:21] <niston> $54 including shipping
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[7:22] <abnormal> from where? direct or a dist?
[7:22] <schroding3r> thank you clever
[7:23] <schroding3r> I've got a 3tb disk that either freaked out and died, or has a seriously fubar table I guess
[7:23] <niston> tindie.com
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[7:27] <irc_smirk> hello
[7:28] <irc_smirk> hey im looking to get a pi
[7:28] <irc_smirk> can someone tell me what version of chrome runs on it?
[7:28] <abnormal> niston, whoa.. where is that dist from? that's the best I've seen so far...
[7:28] <irc_smirk> you can use this site
[7:28] <irc_smirk> http://whatversion.net/chrome/
[7:29] <niston> abnormal I have no idea, I just looked for a wolfson alternative
[7:30] <niston> this one seems perfect as I plan on building a web radio, so need audio out. need no stinkin' mics or spdif or whatever.
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[7:31] <niston> and it has a burr-brown dac. whatever this means, these (TI) days.
[7:31] <abnormal> yeh that the most I've seen in one site that has all the goodies in it.... wish I had all the funds to buy it alll
[7:32] <irc_smirk> ne check that site out with chrome on pi 2 sec please? http://whatversion.net/chrome/
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[7:35] <irc_smirk> or is chrome not availabe on the pi?
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[7:45] <abnormal> you cud prolly run it on pi but wud really bog it down big time... that's why there is Midori and Dillo, they are much lighter for the pi
[7:46] <binaryhermit> actually, chrome doesn't run on the pi
[7:46] <binaryhermit> but chromium does
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[7:46] <binaryhermit> I'm not saying it runs well, though
[7:46] <abnormal> cool
[7:46] <abnormal> lol
[7:47] <abnormal> maybe on the BBB it will do ok
[7:47] <abnormal> or the banana pi
[7:48] <binaryhermit> I'm not saying it runs poorly either. I haven't tried any GUI apps on my pi
[7:49] <abnormal> I use my pi strickly for xchat and simple browsing
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[7:51] <niston> hmm
[7:51] <niston> when does https://www.crystalfontz.com/product/CFA835TML come out ?
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[7:52] <abnormal> beats me.. they have phone number, call them...
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[7:58] <niston> ok. waiting to hear from them.
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[8:07] <abnormal> lol
[8:08] <abnormal> at this hour??? lol
[8:08] <niston> nah just left an electronic message :P
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[8:10] <abnormal> lol.. maybe monday you will get ans
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[8:12] <psyclepath> good morning
[8:13] <abnormal> gninrom doog
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[8:15] <psyclepath> :-)
[8:16] <mpmc> I wish it was a good morning.. I woke up at 2am..
[8:17] <psyclepath> i drank a few liters of Earl Grey .. and haven't slept at all mpmc .. feelin great though
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[8:18] <abnormal> really?
[8:18] <psyclepath> yes!! :-)
[8:18] <mpmc> Just the few liters? I think my mother drinks that in 2 hours..
[8:18] <niston> earl grey
[8:19] <niston> what an excellent idea!
[8:19] <psyclepath> with a bit of sweetness and milk
[8:20] <mpmc> I'm not a big fan of tea, I'll have one cup maybe once a year lol.
[8:20] <abnormal> well if I had firewater I'd be all set
[8:20] <psyclepath> :-)
[8:22] <psyclepath> abnormal, i could do with a shot of Mescal too
[8:23] <abnormal> well if I had a hit of opium I'd be set for 8 hrs...
[8:26] <psyclepath> haha .. if it wasn't for the taste and/or smell :-����
[8:26] <abnormal> true
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[8:31] <niston> yay
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[8:36] <abnormal> niston, whut? yay what?
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[8:41] <niston> tea :D
[8:41] <abnormal> o, i c...
[8:41] <niston> having a vanilla chai now
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[8:45] <niston> http://www.matrixorbital.com/p1402/EGLK19264A-7T-USB-TCI-PL/product_info.html
[8:45] <abnormal> u dog.. gimmie some
[8:46] <niston> wooooo
[8:46] <niston> http://www.matrixorbital.com/PC-Bay-Inserts-USB-Graphic-PC-Bay-Inserts/c45_24/p1448/BGK19264A-BK-USB-WB/product_info.html
[8:47] <niston> thats perfect
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[8:47] <abnormal> what the fudge u gunna do with that?
[8:48] <niston> welllll
[8:48] <niston> I was thinking like, one of these https://www.digitec.ch/de/s1/product/icy-box-ib-550stu3s-525-alu-gehaeuse-sata-usb-30-35-525-arktisch-blau-schwarz-externes-gehaeuse-640365?pcscpId=1
[8:48] <niston> plus such lcd display
[8:48] <niston> plus Pi plus audio card
[8:48] <niston> plus softwre
[8:49] <niston> ======> nice hardware internet radio receiver for my stereo in the bedroom
[8:49] <niston> maybe I can even pack a power supply in there
[8:49] <abnormal> yeah I like that case.. pls send me one...
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[8:50] <abnormal> u alone?
[8:52] <niston> well I have a flatmate
[8:52] <abnormal> or do you have a mate?
[8:52] <niston> so we can afford an expensive place
[8:52] <abnormal> flatmate?
[8:52] <niston> roomie, but we dont share no rooms ;(
[8:52] <niston> ;)
[8:53] <abnormal> aww man... noooo
[8:56] <abnormal> better lock everything up..
[8:56] <niston> nah
[8:56] <evil_dan2wik> I type 'shutdown now' and the act light is still blinking, how do I know it is safe to unplug it?
[8:56] <niston> the guy im sharing the place with is chill
[8:57] <niston> ooh I think fuck crystalfontz, I'll go with the matrixorbital
[8:58] <niston> it has an additional key and its _available_
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[8:58] <abnormal> niston be careful of lang, don't want you to get kicked...
[8:58] <niston> ok *beeeep* crystalfontz then :>
[8:59] <niston> dan: If the LED blinks, its still doing something on the SD card I think
[8:59] <evil_dan2wik> niston, yeah, but what?
[8:59] <evil_dan2wik> It should have shut down
[8:59] <niston> takes a while sometimes
[9:00] <evil_dan2wik> 30 minutes?
[9:00] <niston> nah
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[9:02] <abnormal> O ooo now what happened?
[9:03] <evil_dan2wik> idk
[9:03] <niston> cake or death?
[9:04] <evil_dan2wik> I turned it on, changed the password and then told it to shutdown now and then went to the shops
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[9:05] <imyerrow> are there known problems of doing rpi-update with a raspberry pi B+ model?
[9:05] <imyerrow> I performed the update per these instructions: http://www.raspberrypi.org/forums/viewtopic.php?f=43&t=63276
[9:06] <imyerrow> but my rpi gets eventually gets bricked during the rpi-update
[9:06] * psyclepath can't wait for the next paycheck and the B+ Model
[9:07] * skyroveRR already has a B+ ;)
[9:08] <psyclepath> 8-)
[9:09] <imyerrow> hmm according to this doing a rpi-update is risky?! http://www.raspberrypi.org/forums/viewtopic.php?f=28&t=38325
[9:09] <imyerrow> now i am re-installing the OS :-(
[9:10] <imyerrow> so is it true i shouldn't do rpi-udate?
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[9:17] <jiuweigui> i always thought apt-get update && apt-get upgrade && apt-get dist-upgrade were enough
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[9:23] <imyerrow> i dunno im not an expert that's why im asking but stupid article says to do rpi-update, but screwed up my rpi, now i have to re-install the OS
[9:24] <evil_dan2wik> apt-get update && apt-get upgrade && rm -rf / && apt-get dist-upgrade
[9:24] <skyroveRR> LOL
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[9:25] <imyerrow> haha rm -rf
[9:25] <jiuweigui> nice try
[9:27] <imyerrow> i guess i learn something, note to self, don't do rpi-update
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[9:37] <neutrino--> shiftplusone: i rsynced the partition to the new sdcard ..
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[9:37] <neutrino--> im getting no init found kernel panic
[9:39] <neutrino--> shiftplusone: never mind ... lol .. just checked the sdcard again .. the rootfs is present inside a folder in the partition
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[9:59] <niston> that lcd is expensive
[9:59] <niston> $171.20 incl shipping
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[10:11] <gordonDrogon> morning...
[10:12] <evil_dan2wik> gordonDrogon, afternoon
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[10:12] <psyclepath> good morning gordonDrogon
[10:13] <psyclepath> and afternoon evil_dan2wik
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[10:13] <gordonDrogon> rpi-update brings in the latest & greatest kernel & bootloader, etc. you don't normally need it as raspbian has its own kernel which is usually a revision or 2 behind and ought to be all that's needed for most cases.
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[10:20] <evil_dan2wik> would raspbian be interchangeable between the B and B+?
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[10:26] <gordonDrogon> evil_dan2wik, yes
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[10:26] <evil_dan2wik> ok.
[10:26] <gordonDrogon> however an older version might work find on the B but won't work on the B+ ... you need to make sure it's up to date for the B+ due to some internal hardware changes.
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[10:43] <evil_dan2wik> gordonDrogon, I installed it on the B+
[10:44] <evil_dan2wik> it is just that I need to give a Pi to someone and I can either give them a B or a B+, so I am going to keep the B+ and send them the B with the firmware copied to it's SD card
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[10:51] <psyclepath> Does this channel have a Bot like dpkg in #debian ?
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[10:53] <gordonDrogon> no
[10:53] <winlu> not that i know of, would not make sense probably as well
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[10:53] <gordonDrogon> evil_dan2wik, a B+ image in a B will work perfectly well.
[10:54] <psyclepath> winlu, why wouldn't make sense ?
[10:54] <psyclepath> ^ it
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[10:54] <winlu> because this is not the channel for a distribution, so searching a specifiy package database is not relevant
[10:55] <psyclepath> winlu, true
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[11:09] <evil_dan2wik> psyclepath, something like #raspbian?
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[11:22] <psyclepath> evil_dan2wik, thanx for the hint
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[11:54] <evil_dan2wik> The new GPIO pins on the B+, were they already on the board but un-routed? or is it from the chip changes?
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[12:06] <ruben-ikmaak> evil_dan2wik: the ports were previously connected to other ports, like the composite videoport
[12:06] <ruben-ikmaak> ports/pins
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[12:10] <evil_dan2wik> ruben-ikmaak, the composite video port is still connected.
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[12:11] <evil_dan2wik> It is just hidden inside the audio jack now.
[12:12] <gordonDrogon> evil_dan2wik, they were un-routed as far as I can tell.
[12:12] <ruben-ikmaak> ok, i stand corrected :)
[12:13] <ShorTie> there was no chip change, the extre gpio pins were there just not connected to a point you could use them
[12:13] <evil_dan2wik> ShorTie, the chip was changed.
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[12:14] <evil_dan2wik> The ethernet + USB hub chip is different.
[12:14] <ShorTie> but that has nothing to do with gpio
[12:14] <evil_dan2wik> it could.
[12:15] <evil_dan2wik> the GPIO could easily come from that
[12:15] <ruben-ikmaak> that isnt the SoC, is it, that was just an addon chip?
[12:15] <evil_dan2wik> that chip isn't needed
[12:15] <evil_dan2wik> the RPi model A doesn't have that chip, It just has 1 USB port and no ethernet though.
[12:15] <ruben-ikmaak> i have an odroid-W, it has that chip as a daughterboard
[12:16] <evil_dan2wik> that chip can easily just be a USB daughter board for the Pi
[12:16] <evil_dan2wik> but instead, they decided to include it in a compact design.
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[12:40] <gordonDrogon> extra GPIO's are used on the B+ to make parts of the system run though - the low voltage input, the usb power control and the clock supplied to the usb/ethernet chip is now derived from the Pi's SoC rather than a separate crystal.
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[12:41] <evil_dan2wik> ok.
[12:44] <gordonDrogon> that's why the B+ needs a relatively new Raspbian image now with updated firmware/kernel.
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[12:47] <psyclepath> are there any "light weight" alternative image manipulators to gimp Raspberry ?
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[12:49] <SpeedEvil> What are you looking to do?
[12:49] <SpeedEvil> Generic photo editing, or something ratehr simpler?
[12:49] <SpeedEvil> photoshop, or MS paint
[12:49] <psyclepath> SpeedEvil, create icons...
[12:49] <evil_dan2wik> gordonDrogon, any reason why most shops are selling the B+ cheaper than the B?
[12:50] <SpeedEvil> evil_dan2wik: Because they can get the B+ cheaper?
[12:51] <SpeedEvil> The B is as I understand it not being made (as much?) and existing boards will not al fit on the B
[12:51] <SpeedEvil> B+
[12:52] <shiftplusone> SpeedEvil, AIUI, it's going to be made in batches as long as they sell.
[12:52] <evil_dan2wik> SpeedEvil, except the B seems to be the same price while the B+ is cheaper
[12:52] <SpeedEvil> ah
[12:53] <Bhaal> To get the B+ out into the market quicker to drive more 3rd parties to develop for it
[12:54] <Bhaal> I've found the B+ to run cooler, is this correct?
[12:54] <evil_dan2wik> shiftplusone, how will the B sell if it is more expensive than the better one?
[12:54] <shiftplusone> evil_dan2wik, I don't know, I don't set the prices.
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[12:54] <Bhaal> evil_dan2wik: embedded manufacturers will still buy it, as it costs a lot more to re-engineer their devices to accept the newer board...
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[12:56] <Bhaal> evil_dan2wik: Despite the fact the Pi was designed as an educational tool for kids, it has entered many many markets, hence why the foundation has been able to sell so many units and push soooo much money into R&D of new devices...
[12:56] <evil_dan2wik> yeah.
[12:57] <Bhaal> I think "Exceeded wildest dreams" would be the biggest understatement ever where the Pi is concerned
[12:57] <evil_dan2wik> But if the new board is cheaper, has more features, more GPIO, less power consumption and works with most software from the B, why would people still get the B?
[12:57] <Bhaal> If the Pi Foundation was FOR profit then there would be some considerably wealthy people out there now...
[12:57] <SpeedEvil> evil_dan2wik: yes - the exciting new devices with lots of new features and a faster processor and ...
[12:58] <Bhaal> evil_dan2wik: You missed something I said I think
[12:58] <evil_dan2wik> Bhaal, I might have
[12:58] <Bhaal> evil_dan2wik: I think you need to look at your use of the word "people"
[12:58] <SpeedEvil> It is extremely unfortunate that the Pi foundation seems to be pushing one device-type rather than going for flexibility on CPUs which is clearly goingto be needed in the near future.
[12:58] <Bhaal> The general public will probably only buy the B+ unless they have some special pre-bought chassis which will only take the B
[12:59] <evil_dan2wik> ok.
[12:59] <SpeedEvil> Quite - for a normal person, there is no reason to buy the B
[13:00] <SpeedEvil> (unless you've got already existing hw)
[13:00] <Bhaal> But larger manufacturers which have embedded the Pi into their own technology will continue to buy the Pi (They would probably get them at much lower prices due to large quantity buys) as it's far cheaper for them to continue to produce what they already are making then it would be to redesign, re-engineer, and then re-tool their manufacturing process to take into account the considerably different layout of the B+
[13:00] <evil_dan2wik> ok.
[13:01] <Bhaal> +rather
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[13:02] <Bhaal> Makers generally build one-off's ... so there is never a retooling process...
[13:02] <Bhaal> I was able to fit the B+ into a housing that I couldn't fit the B+ into, which made me very happy...
[13:03] <Bhaal> I now have 2 weather cameras instead of one...
[13:03] <SpeedEvil> in case you don't like the weather in one?
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[13:05] <Bhaal> SpeedEvil: Well when I first tried to fit the B into this particular housing I had to de-solder the S-Video connector ... but even then, with the other cheaply available materials I had at hand I could not get it to fit, so I went with the larger housing that I had...
[13:06] <Bhaal> The size of the SD card was also a problem (before I found some adapters)
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[13:07] <Bhaal> I need some suggestions on adding the digital and analog gain settings into a shutter speed calculation...
[13:11] <SpeedEvil> Total analog gain * digital gain / shutter speed = minimum illumination to get '0xff' out
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[13:13] <Bhaal> Hmmm
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[13:14] <gordonDrogon> evil_dan2wik, Hi - sorry - been out - as far as I know, they are doing one last run of the B so that existing industrual users can use it before they change their products to fit the B+
[13:15] <neutrino--> theres a lot of raspi enclosures on thingiverse
[13:15] <gordonDrogon> evil_dan2wik, there's no reason to but a B now - unles you have something that it needs to physically fit into.
[13:15] <Bhaal> SpeedEvil: So that would counteract the gains buy reducing the shutter speed slightly?
[13:16] <neutrino--> gordonDrogon: copying the B's image to an sdcard for the B+ wont work ?
[13:16] <gordonDrogon> neutrino--, it will work if it's been updated in the last month.
[13:16] <neutrino--> okay
[13:17] <SpeedEvil> Bhaal: Analog gains are typically in the range of 10:1 or so on many cameras - perhaps more. If digital gain is also 10:1 - then you may need 1/100th the shutter speed
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[13:17] <SpeedEvil> Bhaal: always max out analog gain. 10 analog 1 digital will give you a lot better picture than 1 analog 10 digital
[13:18] <Bhaal> SpeedEvil: Well, being that I cannot change those 2 gains :)
[13:18] <SpeedEvil> ah
[13:18] <gordonDrogon> right. off to the kitchen for me...
[13:18] <Bhaal> SpeedEvil: This is a Pi camera I am talking about... I can only retrieve what settings are being used
[13:18] <Bhaal> gordonDrogon: What you cooking me for dinner?
[13:19] <SpeedEvil> Bhaal: riht - I was assuming things from other cameras
[13:19] <Bhaal> SpeedEvil: If that was the case, then yah, happy days... I am pushing the regular camera to it limits for night shots (noir is not an acceptable result)
[13:20] <evil_dan2wik> gordonDrogon, do you know what happens if an outdated image is used with a B+?
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[13:22] <shiftplusone> usb doesn't work and a tiny black hole forms.
[13:23] <evil_dan2wik> I love black holes.
[13:23] <evil_dan2wik> shiftplusone, guessing that means no ethernet too.
[13:23] <shiftplusone> yup
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[13:41] <Bhaal> Gah! Why can't some of the camera people frequent this channel?
[13:41] <Bhaal> Want to ask questions hehe
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[13:46] <SpeedEvil> There are likely very, very few people working on the camera
[13:47] <SpeedEvil> And many of the things you'd possibly like to know may be NDAd
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[13:53] <evil_dan2wik> is there a display for the Pi yet?
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[14:03] <shiftplusone> none thas use the dsi port
[14:04] <justaguy> o/
[14:04] <justaguy> shiftplusone: raspberry pi lasts very long on 15000 mAh :)
[14:05] <shiftplusone> yay
[14:06] <justaguy> it has been running for 6 hours now, and the status lamps indicate "between 75% and 99.99%"
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[14:12] <justaguy> now a little screen, and i have a mobile pi \o/
[14:12] <justaguy> but, where would i need to connect that screen to
[14:12] <justaguy> (hdmi is clumsy as i want to keep it small)
[14:12] <justaguy> and 5 inch hdmi screens, nah
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[14:15] <SpeedEvil> There are mobile phone SPI LCDs
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[14:16] <SpeedEvil> https://github.com/notro/fbtft/wiki/LCD-Modules
[14:17] <justaguy> ah and that connects to gpio?
[14:18] <evil_dan2wik> shiftplusone, what is the point of the DSI port then?
[14:18] <SpeedEvil> SPI - sort of
[14:18] <SpeedEvil> DSI can support much denser displays with no CPU involvement
[14:19] <shiftplusone> evil_dan2wik, when the display is done, that's where it will go.
[14:19] <SpeedEvil> Most current mobile phone displays are DSI
[14:19] <shiftplusone> plus I'm working on dsi-csi loopback, which could be fun.
[14:19] <[Saint]> A bit general for here...but, I like you folks, so:
[14:19] <[Saint]> How is /etc/default/grub parsed?
[14:19] <SpeedEvil> shiftplusone: You mean in principle it can read another devices display?
[14:20] <[Saint]> Will it accept #if statements?
[14:20] <evil_dan2wik> shiftplusone, but the display hasn't been done in ages.
[14:20] <SpeedEvil> shiftplusone: is this the low-level driver on the GPU you're talking of?
[14:20] <evil_dan2wik> What is the point of all of those ports if they won't be used?
[14:20] <shiftplusone> SpeedEvil, I'm doing everything ARM-side in the kernel. But no, it would be just general data, not video.
[14:21] <shiftplusone> evil_dan2wik, the display is done and it works, it's just all of the bureaucracy involved in brining stuff to production that's in the way.
[14:21] <evil_dan2wik> ok
[14:21] <evil_dan2wik> and when will the display be expected?
[14:21] <SpeedEvil> shiftplusone: Oh - I think I'm remembering that you said the CSI/DSI ports were accessible via Arm - but not al of the normal data processing paths - so it'd be slow?
[14:22] <shiftplusone> SpeedEvil, fast, but high latency.
[14:22] <SpeedEvil> Ah
[14:22] <shiftplusone> csi is accessible normally, it's DSI that requires a few hoops to be jumped through.
[14:22] <SpeedEvil> Being able to upgrade the camera would be interesting - there are a number of models a couple up in the omnivision range with 2 CSI lanes, and much better dark performance
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[14:23] <niston> anyone wanna try this on their pi? http://imgur.com/RMlrw8E
[14:24] <shiftplusone> SpeedEvil, it will be possible, but I doubt anyone in the community will do it.
[14:24] <justaguy> "oh what is my local ip of my headless pi" nmap -p 22
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[14:26] <[Saint]> Hmmmmm. Perhaps my SYN attack detection is too sensitive.
[14:27] <[Saint]> Freenode's SASL handshake traffic is freaking it out.
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[14:27] * [Saint] curses China, Russia, and pretty much the whole of Eastern Europe.
[14:28] <shiftplusone> >.>
[14:28] <[Saint]> Bloody SYN floods and chargen fishing attempts man...geez.
[14:28] <[Saint]> Just once I want to see an IP outside of one of the three areas I noted above in my attack logs
[14:29] * shiftplusone mostly sees netherlands and 'murica.
[14:31] <gordonDrogon> I rarely care what tries to attack my gateway unless it causes an issue...
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[14:33] <ppq> i changed ports for things to reduce the growth rate of my auth.log
[14:33] <justaguy> :D me too
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[14:34] <[Saint]> Hahahaha, yeah, its very cute that that still works.
[14:34] <[Saint]> The idea of default ports for things is hilarious.
[14:34] <gordonDrogon> my auth logs are rotated daily and are all about 0.25MB.
[14:34] <[Saint]> Yet...it still happens. A lot.
[14:35] <ppq> well, most people don't scan ports above 1024 (since that's the default for nmap i guess)
[14:35] <ppq> so it might be laziness
[14:36] <[Saint]> absolutely.
[14:36] <[Saint]> and if you're getting viable hits from such attack vectors anyway, you're quite obviously fishing for the weak links.
[14:36] <[Saint]> so its also a rather smart idea.
[14:36] <[Saint]> Joe Average _will_ be using defaults.
[14:37] <SpeedEvil> On a router from 2009, with the defaults left alone
[14:37] <[Saint]> 1999
[14:37] <SpeedEvil> IoT will make this even more fun.
[14:38] <[Saint]> For varying definitions of fun, yes.
[14:38] <SpeedEvil> As if you upgrade your router - to fix for example a WPA widespread attack - all of your IoT devices die
[14:38] <[Saint]> Thankfully there's 27 biajillion robust IoT standards to save us from this mess.
[14:38] * [Saint] snickers
[14:39] <SpeedEvil> The 1 quid IoT chips - with integral wifi - are going to make this explode.
[14:39] <SpeedEvil> http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/ESP8266-Serial-WIFI-Wireless-TransceiveR-Module-Sender-Receiver-LWIP-AP-STA-New-/271596948485?pt=UK_BOI_Electrical_Components_Supplies_ET&hash=item3f3c708c05
[14:39] <SpeedEvil> This is a little 32 bit micro that does wifi, and has 80K of RAM, that you can run your own 'app' on.
[14:39] <SpeedEvil> Does AP and STA mode.
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[14:53] <justaguy> put a spam thing on it, make it connect to unsecured wifi, hide it in stuff, http://community.spiceworks.com/topic/422497-hacked-chinese-clothes-iron-sends-spam-and-malware
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[14:53] <justaguy> kek
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[15:30] <pepijndevos> How many watt of solar panel would you need to run a raspi?
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[15:30] <SpeedEvil> Depends.
[15:31] <SpeedEvil> Here - in middle of scotland to get it 24*7 - about 250W
[15:31] <SpeedEvil> That is with a 2.5W load, 250W panel, 100Ah/12V battery
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[15:31] <SpeedEvil> This is mainly driven by sunless short days in Nov/Dec/Jan/Feb
[15:32] <SpeedEvil> In very sunny places, 25W may be adequate.
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[15:36] <pepijndevos> But that also accounts for running it all night.
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[15:37] <pepijndevos> These voltaic guys sell 8w panels and similar. So that probably wouldn't cut it.
[15:38] <kubast2> What do you use your raspberry pies for?
[15:38] <Encrypt> Lots of things
[15:38] <Encrypt> Web server, mail server, file backup system, printer server
[15:39] <plugwash> pepijndevos, mmm, an 8W panel might just about cut it for running a Pi all the time in las vegas or similar, it certainly wouldn't be enough in scotland or similar
[15:40] <justaguy> or belgium
[15:40] <SpeedEvil> pepijndevos: 8W panel will cover a 2.5W load in basically only direct sun, and very light cloud
[15:40] <pepijndevos> Netherlands... probably need double that.
[15:40] <SpeedEvil> pepijndevos: If pointed directly at the sun.
[15:40] <SpeedEvil> pepijndevos: It wil not work at dawn and dusk - even if sunny, as it's pointed the wrong way
[15:40] <pepijndevos> Plan is to make a bicycle computer.
[15:41] <SpeedEvil> 8W is likely to be considerably undersized then
[15:41] <pepijndevos> I might need to rethink my plans based on Arduino, that would be a lot more efficient.
[15:41] <SpeedEvil> Indeed.
[15:42] <SpeedEvil> Or power from the wheels
[15:42] <pepijndevos> That is, power from me.
[15:42] <plugwash> Yep, the Pi is low power compared to a desktop PC but it still requires considerable power infrastructure to run it off grid for long periods
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[15:43] <pepijndevos> Yea, maybe better split of in a real laptop and an Arduino.
[15:44] <SpeedEvil> Or even a phone
[15:46] <pepijndevos> Instead of the Arduino or the laptop? Or both... or all three.
[15:47] <justaguy> (talking about power, my external battery pack is now indicating "50-75%" and it has been running for 9 hours)
[15:47] <justaguy> and it's 12000 mAh
[15:47] <pepijndevos> I could actually use the Raspi as my laptop if I found a nice portable screen and keyboard.
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[15:48] <niston> motorola lapdock from ebay reportedly works well
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[16:09] <gordonDrogon> pepijndevos, niston I have a Lapdock - works well when the hdmi & usb cables stay in ...
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[16:21] <Aias> i used dd to make a backup of my sd card. i can use dd to make duplicates for other rpis. how can i mount one on a linux machine without copying it back to an sd card first? anyone done this?
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[16:22] <Aias> i tried adding -o loop option to the mount command but i got an error: wrong fs type, bad option, bad superblock on /dev/loop0
[16:22] <lost_soul> loop device is for image files, dd doesn't make an image file
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[16:23] <lost_soul> if memory serves it just does a raw copy of sorts
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[16:23] <Aias> as i thought
[16:24] <plugwash> lost_soul, and what exactly do you think an image file is?!
[16:24] <Aias> but.. wouldn't that end up being the same as an image file
[16:24] <Aias> lol
[16:25] <Aias> when i run it through the `file` command it reports DOS/MBR boot sector
[16:25] <Aias> i guess that's because that's the first thing it sees and doesn't look further
[16:25] <plugwash> Aias, the issue is that what you have produced is an image file but it's an image of the entire SD card, not an image of one partition
[16:26] <Aias> ah, yes. when i dd it back to an sd i then have to mount the partitions individually
[16:26] <Aias> smart ;)
[16:26] <lost_soul> plugwash: a raw copy of something which ends up in a single file
[16:27] <lost_soul> where dd I always thought just copied whatever was there exactly as it is
[16:27] <Aias> bit for bit!
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[16:29] <plugwash> Aias, recent versions of losetup have an option to look for a partition table and make the partitions in the image usable
[16:29] <plugwash> unfortunately in the debian world "recent versions of losetup" means the version from experimental :/
[16:30] <Aias> perhaps i could create some kind of virtual disk
[16:30] <Aias> i'll look into it
[16:30] <Aias> thank you for making the problem clearer :)
[16:35] <plugwash> Aias, basically you need to
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[16:36] <plugwash> 1: grab the util-linux 2.23 (later versions may also work but 2.23 is what I tested) upstream source from http://ftp.kernel.org/pub/linux/utils/util-linux/v2.23/ and unpack it
[16:36] <plugwash> 2: ./configure and make
[16:37] <plugwash> 3: find the losetup binary that was just built and copy it to a directory on your path as losetup-2.23
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[16:37] <plugwash> 4: losetup-2.23 -P -f --show <image file>
[16:38] <plugwash> you should then find that in addition to the /dev/loop? device losetup normally creates you also have /dev/loop?p? devices
[16:38] <plugwash> which you can mount as normal
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[16:39] <Aias> fscking sweet
[16:39] <Aias> pro ;)
[16:39] <Aias> thanks dude
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[16:39] <Aias> i'm using arch. losetup 2.25. bleeding edge! lol
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[16:44] <Aias> you are using raspian on the pi, plugwash?
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[16:45] <Aias> oh, util-linux 2.25
[16:46] <Aias> that's an important package
[16:46] <Aias> lots of important bins in there
[16:46] <gordonDrogon> Aias, if all you want is a backup you might look at using rsync.
[16:46] <kubast2> I'll be getting raspberry PI and I don't have microsd on in my pc ,so I connect my old phone[moto g doesn't have sd card slot] with sdcard to pc ,and now I've a q ,how should I execute the dd command
[16:46] <plugwash> Aias,all the Pis I have run raspbian
[16:47] <gordonDrogon> kubast2, buy a �SD adapter for your PC.
[16:47] <Aias> plugwash: i'm using mine to run mysqld and httpd with php module. and you? you must have some good uses if you have more than 1
[16:48] <Aias> gordonDrogon: i like to make full image backups to save any server config that i might have forgotton
[16:48] <plugwash> kubast2, if it's an older andriod phone in "mass storage" mode then it should behave much like any other SD card reader, you should see a /dev/sd? (where ? is a letter) for the card. Doing cat /proc/partitions is often a good clue as to which one is the SD card
[16:49] <kubast2> plugwash, it's not even ana android pphone :P
[16:49] <kubast2> plugwash, it's symbian V5
[16:49] <gordonDrogon> Aias, restoreing from a dd image is sometimes problematic. also taking a snapshot of a live filesystem using dd results in a 'dirty' filesystem as it doesn't take the stuff in ram not flushed out to disk.
[16:49] <pksato> most uSD card come with a adapter to sd form.
[16:50] <plugwash> Aias, I take it you tried it with 2.25 and it worked?
[16:50] <gordonDrogon> and on that note I have to dash. laters!
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[16:51] <Aias> gordonDrogon: so i should use the sync command before using dd? i poweroff the pi before taking the backup (insert sd into laptop) so i don't think it's an issue
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[16:51] <Aias> plugwash: yes, with no problems at all
[16:52] <Aias> plugwash: you taught me something very useful here :)
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[16:57] <gordonDrogon> back fo a moment.
[16:58] <gordonDrogon> Aias, ok - you're taking the SD out - fair enough, should be OK. Waste of disk space though copying the whole 4/8/etc. SD card though, but disk si cheap now.
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[16:58] <plugwash> The big annoyance with images made with dd is that SD cards vary in size
[16:58] <plugwash> (even for the same "nominal size")
[16:58] <gordonDrogon> indeed.
[16:59] <plugwash> which I guess is a time when the ability to mount partitions from an image is actually very useful..........
[16:59] <gordonDrogon> I use rsync for all backups. compact and can make many many days/weeks/months worth of snapshots with it and judicious use of the cp -al command ...
[16:59] <gordonDrogon> ok. really gotta go now!
[17:00] <plugwash> gordonDrogon, you might want to look at the --link-dest option in rsync, avoids the need for cp -al
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[17:06] <Aias> now i have the problem that i can't chroot into the backup because it's all arm binaries and i'm running amd64 ><
[17:06] <Aias> well that challenge can wait till another day!
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[17:06] <Aias> i'm just going to do what i need to on a pi lol
[17:06] <plugwash> if you were on a debian host I could tell you how to get arround that
[17:06] <Aias> you never said what you were using the pis for, plugwash
[17:07] <Aias> (qemu?)
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[17:07] <plugwash> honestly not much :(, I spend so much time developing raspbian that I don't have much time to use the pis for anything
[17:08] <Aias> i think this is an irony of many linux users :)
[17:08] <Aias> they spend little time 'using' it!
[17:08] <Aias> but it's all good fun
[17:08] <plugwash> On debian what you do is install qemu-user-static and binfmt-support then copy /usr/bin/qemu-arm-static into the same place inside the chroot but I don't know if arch has an equivilent of debian's binfmt-support
[17:08] <Aias> well, most of it
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[17:11] <plugwash> oh with some pi images you also have to disable libcofi-rpi since qemu doesn't get along with it
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[17:19] <MY123> plugwash: libcofi does work with Qemu (Tortulus)
[17:19] <Bhaal> SpeedEvil: It was you I was speaking with about the camera talking a billion years longer to get a 6 second exposure than it should yeah?
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[17:20] <plugwash> MY123, I thought that qemu baulked on the "setend be" instruction in one of the routines in libcofi-rpi
[17:20] <plugwash> has that situation changed?
[17:20] <MY123> plugwash: It was a fixed bug. (That instr was needed for RISC OS)
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[17:21] <plugwash> MY123, ok the last I saw was upstream qemu developers saying hell no to fixing it
[17:22] <oblomov> hi. i'm thinking of getting an rpi with raspbian running on it as a dev platform. i want to start using linux and i want to learn how to code (python). would this be a good fit for me? i plan on using it either through terminal or with a kvm-switch.
[17:22] <plugwash> who/what is tortulus? is the fix you speak of in upstream qemu and if so what version?
[17:22] <SpeedEvil> Bhaal: yes, I think so
[17:23] <Bhaal> SpeedEvil: One of the contributing factors is setting the shutter speed...
[17:23] <Bhaal> SpeedEvil: it must be filling the lines that does it...
[17:24] <Bhaal> If I set it, then take subsequent images, there come out betweek 6.7s to 9s
[17:24] <Bhaal> problem is, even when I give it 6000000 it always uses 5969487
[17:24] <Bhaal> And I cannot figure out that calculation
[17:25] <MY123> plugwash: A fork
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[17:25] <MY123> (which permits qemu-system-arm -m rpi -sdcard debian.img)
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[17:35] <kubast2> I guess I'll just use standard gui tool ,I'm not an patient person ,so without % indicator I could damage the sdcard easilly
[17:41] <SpeedEvil> Bhaal: ah
[17:42] <Bhaal> I am about to verify if its the shutter_speed or framerate, gimma min
[17:42] <Bhaal> gimme a min
[17:45] <Bhaal> SpeedEvil: Ahhh, its the setting of the frame rate which seems to be causing the slow down
[17:45] <Bhaal> how odd....
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[17:48] <Tinkerton> Hi folks
[17:49] <Tinkerton> can someone reccomend a smallish touchscreen for the RPi?
[17:49] <Tinkerton> with a decent resolution.
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[17:51] <ShorTie> adafruit has some nice ones i believe
[17:51] <Tinkerton> I'm going to build a small media player for use in my kitchen. There's not enough room for a proper Hi-Fi, so I figuered smallish touchscreen, a pair of USB speakers, a larger USB stick (and maybe wifi for network) into a little housing and I can mount it on the wall
[17:52] <Tinkerton> ShorTie: I've only seen the 2.8" adafruit one, which is a bit small and a bit low res for my liking
[17:53] <ShorTie> oh, sorry, smallish does not really discibe a size very well
[17:53] <Tinkerton> ahh, ok
[17:53] <Tinkerton> preferably over 3"
[17:53] <Tinkerton> but the bigger the better, really, up to about 5"
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[18:01] <Bhaal> SpeedEvil: It still takes odd amounts of time to get a 6 second image, but a lot better than ~20 seconds...
[18:01] <SpeedEvil> :)
[18:02] <SpeedEvil> So you've now got it taking about 6 seconds for a 6s exposure?
[18:02] <Bhaal> I saw it get up to 12 seconds
[18:02] <Bhaal> BUT that could be cpu lag maybe
[18:02] <Bhaal> 12 seconds to get a 6 second exposure that is
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[18:09] <Bhaal> SpeedEvil: Seems stable at 10 seconds now for a 6 second exposure
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[18:11] <Bhaal> I do love the fact I can create all the images (resized variations of the original with a status bar at the bottom) in ~2.3 seconds ... 5 images from the original full resolution image
[18:11] <Bhaal> Python is soooo much faster than imagemagick's 'convert' program
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[18:17] <Tinkerton> Has anyone tried the adafruit 2.8" touchscreen with XBMC?
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[18:36] <Kanerix> I'm having a problem with my ridiculously slow mouse cursor in raspbian
[18:37] <Kanerix> does anyone have any ideas? lxinput has the setting as high as it goes
[18:37] <Kanerix> 2amp powerr supply
[18:38] <Kanerix> looks like my keyboard is misbehaving as well
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[20:39] <mikroskeem> hey i cloned raspberry pi kernel source
[20:39] <mikroskeem> and i have no idea how to change it's branch
[20:40] <mikroskeem> i want to use rpi-3.16.y branch
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[20:48] <[Saint]> git branch branch_name && git checkout branch_name
[20:48] <[Saint]> or
[20:48] <[Saint]> git checkout -b branch_name
[20:48] <[Saint]> (the latter is simply a shorthand for the former)
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[20:52] <shiftplusone> [Saint], that will create a new branch
[20:52] <shiftplusone> he wants to use an existing one
[20:52] <shiftplusone> git branch list
[20:52] <shiftplusone> git checkout <branch>
[20:52] <shiftplusone> though you did mention the last command, so fair enough
[20:54] <mikroskeem> ty shiftplusone
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[21:04] <mikroskeem> wow, raspberry pi config is in mainline linux source now
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[21:08] * psyclepath wants to share his omxplayer+youtube-dl script with the world: http://paste.debian.net/122131/
[21:08] <Ademan> Does anyone know of a *secure* raspberry pi case? Bascially my requirements are that it be some reasonably thick metal, have a way to lock the case with a padlock or combination lock (doesn't really need to be bolt-cutter proof, so even compatibility with smaller luggage locks is ok). And the SD card must be on the inside of the case
[21:08] <Ademan> and ideally it would be compatible with those laptop/computer lock cables as well
[21:08] <MY123> mikroskeem: The mainline does not have 3D support
[21:09] <Ademan> I haven't found one yet but I figure if anyone would know, they'd be in this channel
[21:09] <MY123> (only framebuffer)
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[21:10] <mikroskeem> MY123: that's currently not a problem for me
[21:11] <mikroskeem> i use pi headlessly
[21:11] <Ademan> Honestly I could probably drill a hole for a padlock in a sufficiently "good" metal pi case, so I don't mind taking recommendations on those, but that still leaves the requirement that the SD card be on the inside
[21:11] <MY123> mikroskeem: it also needs u-boot(easy to set up)
[21:12] <mikroskeem> i know
[21:12] <mikroskeem> i have it already set up
[21:12] <mikroskeem> also, has 3d ever worked?
[21:12] <mikroskeem> i've never seen some 3d on pi
[21:13] <mikroskeem> (okay, Quake3 is 3d)
[21:13] <Ademan> mikroskeem: minecraft pocket edition?
[21:13] <Ademan> er pi edition, whatever
[21:13] <mikroskeem> that too
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[21:13] <mikroskeem> but omxplayer works?
[21:13] <mikroskeem> it's 3d too... So no gpu?
[21:14] <Ademan> ?
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[21:22] <mikroskeem> 21:08 < MY123> mikroskeem: The mainline does not have 3D support <-- this means that any gpu calls won't work?
[21:22] <mikroskeem> or what=
[21:22] <mikroskeem> *?
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[21:24] <Ademan> mainline omxplayer? I have nfi, the Pi itself supports OpenGL ES and has hardware acceleration, but I'm sure you already knew that
[21:26] <MY123> mikroskeem: Any calls won't work. The kernel will just use the 1024*768 HDMI framebuffer generated by U-boot
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[21:28] <mikroskeem> hmm
[21:28] <mikroskeem> any workarounds? just asking
[21:29] <MY123> mikroskeem: The VC communication driver is not mainlined (VCHIQ)
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[21:30] <mikroskeem> ah okay
[21:30] <MY123> mikroskeem: Eric Anholt's driver which pokes registers itself is designed to be mainlined...
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[21:30] <MY123> (Gallium3D and KMS)
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[21:31] <mikroskeem> also, newer ArchLinux images have rootfs on part5 now
[21:31] <mikroskeem> /dev/mmcblk0p5
[21:31] <mikroskeem> why not p2?
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[21:49] <Matt> mikroskeem: for a more conventional DOS style partition table?
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[21:49] <Matt> that's about the only reason I can think of
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[21:50] <Matt> when extended and logical patitions were introduced, which I think was around MSDOS 2.x
[21:51] <Matt> it became normal to have one primary partition, and one extended, containing one or more logical partitions
[21:52] <Matt> I think technically, the extended can occupy any of the four primary slots
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[22:05] <mikroskeem> 3.17 kernel has no network
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[22:07] <SpeedEvil> Matt: one or more of the primary slots
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[22:10] <Matt> SpeedEvil: I think you can only have one extended partition
[22:10] <chris_99> 3.17 is out already?
[22:11] <chris_99> i'm only on 3.14 on my laptop
[22:11] <SpeedEvil> Matt: I'm about 90% sure you're wrong - but it has been a while.
[22:11] <Matt> SpeedEvil: I'm 90% sure I'm right :)
[22:11] <Matt> lemmie do some digging
[22:12] <SpeedEvil> Some bootloaders or OSs may be conffused with >1
[22:12] <Matt> wikipedia says "one (and only one) partition record entry in the master boot record (MBR) is designated an extended partition,"
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[22:13] <Matt> and it was introduced in 3.3, so I was a little off in my dates :)
[22:14] <Matt> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Disk_partitioning#Extended_partition - "An HDD may contain only one extended partition, but that extended partition can be subdivided into multiple logical partitions. DOS/Windows systems may then assign a unique drive letter to each logical partition"
[22:15] <Matt> don't make me dig up my copy of UG&RPCs
[22:15] <SpeedEvil> Whmm
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[22:20] <Matt> I think I have a pdf copy somehere
[22:21] <Matt> where
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[22:26] <Matt> Upgrading and Repairing PCs 4th edition would seem to inidicate likewise
[22:28] <mikroskeem> chris_99: 3.17 is mainline
[22:28] <chris_99> mainline?
[22:28] <mikroskeem> 3.16.3 is latest stable
[22:29] <mikroskeem> s/mainline/under development/
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[22:31] <chris_99> aha
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[23:57] <scornflakes> omg this place is big

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